Historic Preservation Advisory Board - Regular Meeting

So let's, begin by calling this to order. We have approval of today's agenda, which most people have in front of them. I

move to approve today's agenda. Alright.

Do we have a second?

Second. All in favor? Aye. Excellent.

Moving forward. So with that, let's look at the minutes from the last meeting, April 2. The last meeting that we actually held since our last class meeting, we did not have a form.

I'm moved to approve the minutes of April 2. Aye.

Thank you. Carrie, do we have a second? I'll second. Patrick? Alright. Any any discussions

Other than that. No. It was both. Which I remember all of that. Thank god.

Was a hot minute ago.

Okay.

Alright. Hearing no discussion, all in favor of approving? Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Unanimously approved. Alright. Fantastic. Moving on. So we could also do some introductions. I think ever since everybody is here, it sounds like Nancy is online, and she knows who we are. So can we dispense with the introductions for this evening? Yes. Fantastic. Making sure we all know each other. And we know Nancy, who's yet again on Anderson Overlook. Good for you, Nancy. Try to be safe in the traffic. Don't get it, by

the way. Very

good. Do we have any issues for public comment?

Yes. Alright.

Yeah. Yes. Fancy Bartlett.

I printed out the attachment. I think that the attachment has May 7 minutes for your April 2. Correct me if I

I don't know. I didn't print that out.

Do we have

the speed wrong? No. I didn't put them. Or they

It's just a typo type thing.

Oh, it should have been May 2?

Oh. It should be April 2 because there was no no meeting on the in May because no there was not a quorum.

Right. So we didn't have a meeting. So these are the April 2 meeting minutes.

Yeah. Just need to correct the head

In the agenda or Oh, in the agenda. Maybe in the agenda.

I think we've already approved the agenda, but we will make a notation of it for

subsequent correction.

I'm not sure.

We'll put that in the meetings for this meeting.

Okay. Oh, could be could be my mistake. Okay. Yeah. Okay. That's Alright. That's all I have. Thank you.

Alright. Sounds good. You

did this right.

Okay. Yeah. That's fine. Okay.

Maybe the one that was downloaded was unused.

Yeah. I'm not sure.

Alright. So with that, moving on for preservation business. Post office clock update. Jerry, Loretta.

Debbie Loretta. Oh my What a word's nest. How did I just tiptoeing with it? What did you learn? Well, it's taken a long time to learn a little bit, but the little bit is useful. Okay. So I'm not even gonna start. Okay. So, you know, of course, I tried to get in touch with the postmaster. I thought this was already pretty simple.

Didn't get in touch with postmaster. Wouldn't return my emails. I was kind of getting to the point of thinking he was a jerk. But it turns out he's not a jerk, but I pretty much said he was. But I couldn't get ahold of him for ages.

And I was talking with a gentleman at the post office, the sort of a floor manager, and his name is Justin. And he he's a big kid, but only gave me just bits and pieces and was really hard to discuss it with. You know? Like but he did allude to there being issues in the past, and I couldn't really quite make out what he was trying to tell me. But at the beginning, he was like, well, there's no key here. There's no key. We can't go in there. There. I'll explain that in a little bit. But we can't go in there because we don't have a key, and we have to get in touch with the facilities manager down in Albuquerque.

So there's a facilities manager that manages all the facilities in New Mexico. So that seemed like the runaround. I said, okay. Well, fine. Can you give me his email address and his phone number, and I'll see what I can do? No. We don't give out that information. So this was I I was just flabbergasted. You know? Like, how do you get in touch with people? His I only have his first name. No email. No from him. So, anyway, so that seemed to be a little bit of a bust. Called Justin back and said or or Justin said, well, the second or third time I called him back, said, well, maybe maybe our maintenance fellow has a key.

Maybe we can get him to go in there and take a picture for you. And I'm like, that's better than that. I said, great. So but but he's on vacation, so call back in about two weeks. Yeah. So I called back, and lo and behold because I never got any pictures from Justin. Right? Of course. So I called back, and lo and behold, Mr. Bryant, Bill Bryant, the post office man, postmaster, was in. Never returned any emails. Could never get a you he said don't give out phone numbers. You can't get ahold of him. But, anyways, he was in. And I was like, oh my god.

Let me talk to him. Expecting, you know, like, I was prepared because I thought he was a jerk, but nicest guy on earth. So he told me some good information of him. So so we've got two two major hurdles, which are very major hurdles. Okay? And maybe a third. So so the first one is that he told me that, as we probably understand, the the post office going through, like, a huge national transition. Right. Jumping forty years in technology. Everything's a a mess.

Right? And in particular, they did split off all the facilities management into you know, so, like, now an individual post office can't even hang a picture without getting approval of the facilities manager. Right? So he gave me several examples of the hurdles we could be up against, right, including just getting the key out of everything. And that is so, like, you might have noticed you're trying to go in here. The front door is broken. So he he predicts he won't get that front door fixed for six months to a year. Maybe. I don't know. He was buried in his.

They had a truck break down. The the mail comes up from White Rock. You know, you put it into the system, like, want to repair something. And, apparently, it goes through a number of agonizingly slow steps and eventually never gets done, or you have to have, like, a lot of patience. So, like, he wanted to he needed a new forklift to get this mail up here, and it was gonna be, like it was, like, seven or eight months, and he actually had the rep want to do it.

So he gave me several examples, and I was quite sympathetic that because they split off the facilities management, that any sort of repairs or things that need to get done or getting the key are just it's just you know, takes a lot of time and effort. Okay? Now he didn't say it was impossible because he actually did say, gosh. I'd love to see a clock up there again too. And I'm like, awesome. So I think he actually might be on our side, but he was very realistic. And he has other. Right? Yeah. I mean, I mean, he can only do what he I mean, it's only does.

And he gave me his number. So, I mean, I think he he will help us sort of if we decide to undertake this. I I I don't know that my advice would be to do that. But he I think he would he would help us, but he just he can't help us accelerate the process because he can't even fix his front door. Okay? The second hurdle we face is that it's a national historic building. Mhmm. Okay? And for that reason so I gave you another example. He said he wanted to run a water line into the back of the post office because everybody was thirsty, and they needed a water.

No go. Right? Like, it's a national historic. So who and I guess it's down in Albuquerque, maybe the state the state office. I don't know. Whatever so it's separate from the facilities, or maybe if you go through the facilities, they then have to go through the fact that it's a national historic building, which you know, he says we can't even hang a picture. I they can just collab to you because you can't it's a historic building. Right? So I I think we should be realistic. Those seem to be the two largest hurdles is it's a national historic building, so you have to overcome whatever that means or whatever permissions that will involve.

And you have to hurdle the bureaucracy of dealing with the facilities part of the post office. And, I guess, the hurdle of of him being a very busy man, but he seems nice and interested. Okay? But, you know, he was not optimistic. But he didn't say I said, so it's impossible. Like, I mean, just give me the hard truth. Like, let me just like, he said, no. It's almost impossible, but, you know, I it's not impossible, potentially. If we get smart enough, we figure out how to do it. I mean, I don't know if I'm that person.

Let me well, so then he did offer very nicely to go and take pictures himself. I said, well, people, you're a maintenance man. That's key. So we are all picturing a little secret room up there in that town. I can just see it in my mind. I don't know. Okay. It it it possibly is sealed off. So he went, and he said, I and I did this too. I walked all the way around the building. Inside, outside, I looked. How do you get in there? Like, Keith said, no. There's there's no room. You can't get in there.

Now that I'm not convinced of. I did find some plans online because I was just, at this point, just gnarly interested. Didn't wanna be I I didn't wanna be unsuccessful, I guess. But, anyway, so I measured that tower, and then I looked on the inside. And so so I don't know if he's right.

He says there's no room. If if you're gonna put a clock there, you'll have to climb up the tower and do it externally. But if you look at it, and I took the measurements, there is a space that seems there seems to be a space in the top of the. But it could be bricked over or or you know what? My husband thinks the only way it would have been through the ceiling.

And I can explain this for anybody who's interested. But if you go and look at it or we go and look at it, you know, you walk into the lobby, turn right, and that is the area under the clock tower. The ceiling in the lobby is, like, I'm gonna say 15 feet below the top of the clock tower. Okay? There's no access door on the ceiling.

There's no access door on three of the four walls that you can see exteriorly. There's a fourth wall that there might be an access door. It's actually on the level it's on the roof. You have to get on the roof of the post office. Interestingly enough, on the east side, there's a ladder that goes up, I guess, to get to the roof. It's right next to the Plum Tower. So I don't know that she climbed up there. But, I mean, he said he walked all around, and, you know, he just says there's no interior access to this clock tower. Maybe you can get into the clock tower externally from the roof. I don't.

Well, so, I mean, I mean, making my information. So I there's a mystery room that may be sealed off. Yeah. And then we have the hurdle of dealing with semi broken facilities fix it system, and then we have to overcome any objections. Or I don't understand quite, and maybe maybe we do, Patrick. You know? So it's National Historic Registered Building. So I don't know who you would go to, who we would have to go to to get permission to put the clock back, we probably do. So, anyways, I think that's it. Questions?

I didn't know that

And, actually, Carrie, the other end, think so I'll to me, it seems like you do have some logistical issues dealing with the federal building and the backlog of things. This would not be a priority for the US Postal Service. And I'm having this memory of another conversation about US Postal Service building that became a problem. Mhmm. At one of our historic sites, it's that they just abandoned. You know? So I think that's probably your biggest issue. The the idea of the idea of putting a drinking fountain inside the building would change the historic structure, and that would be a problem assuming, like, safety. But the clock would be returning it to a Yeah. Previous historic.

So I think that would be less of a hurdle is to work from our state historic preservation office. Agree. But

Yeah. I think you'd have to work with the federal preservation officer of the general services administration.

So they're the people that oversee the historical facilities within their agency. Oh. Every federal agency has a federal preservation officer that then works with the SHPO and helps their tenants or whatever with their facilities. So I don't see it as a hurdle. Again, like you said, it's actually restoration on the historical feature. Not to say it'd be easy.

No.

So yeah. Well, restoration, I mean, does it have to be, I don't know, in that case, I don't what it was or original? Or because we've also talked about whether we just add something that's kind of been in its place that that's a function, but it's not maybe that kind of

We have to get SHPO approval. Yeah. After that,

they could propose that.

I don't know I don't know how the SHPO deals with that type of thing.

Because we we still don't have difference, the original.

Right. I would I I mean, I think at this point, we should operate on the assumption that we've done or that it wouldn't be used. Like, I mean, we can't even get into the room if there is a room. Now one other thing that turned out or was thinking about is I don't know how much of this we we would do, but we could request the plans. Like, if there were and to get get the plans, you could go because this it said this online. Go to the National Park Service or the New Mexico State Historic Preservation. So Yeah. They probably wouldn't have the drawings. So If it's a National Historic Building, I thought they would have them. No.

Not unless they were included in the nomination package. They would So those. Here's the nomination package. I mean, it was, like, 80 pages. Yes. So they have, like, this. Yes. Which I went to go find. That was my part. Oh. Find drawings. Oh, I found them separately, but thank you. Yeah. But yeah. So did you find this drawing for the clock? Well, I what do you mean? Because I found this. But I don't it doesn't show you if there's a root

in there. Right. See details. So this is these are excerpts of a set of drawings that they used in the nomination, And the set of drawings were supposed to be at the Center for Southwest Research Oh. University of Mexico. So I looked up all the plan numbers, and that so folder's missing. Sorry. Oh, we don't have it. Oh, no. That whole set of printer drawings for Central Park Square are gone. They are in misfiles.

They are Wow. Lost. Okay. So Yeah. George is your friend dropped by my house and dropped off. This folder? File folder that's this big. Kinda missed releases. Okay. That I have not opened. Oh. I've been to the the unit. It's an ancient. Know there's a lot of historic information about the clock. It's about the clock, this whole file. You have a whole file about the clock. Wow. I don't know what's in it. Well, we should look through it. Who wants to went through it. I'm happy to get it. So

I I think thank you both for doing so. What what our charge was, we were gonna go do some background investigation in which you did. So thank you both for that one. And I think there's a good opportunity for us to sort of remove the right charge. We're an advisory board. There there is a statutory responsibility that we fulfill to our charge to provide advice to counsel, and we are not an action board, which is easy

to run on that

path. Mhmm. So what I think is key is that certainly don't wanna discourage anybody from participating in this, but we have found where some of these critical pieces could be Mhmm. And what needs to be done. And so when our community members come back to, like, we wanna show you that clock tower.

Great. I love this plan. Here's some of the steps that you need to go through. And if they were here, we could probably provide this. Think to say, maybe relay the materials to sort of strip that that brought over and have them look at it and see what they can find out if we could find out knowing that we sort of have a dead end with our on on one side of the actual building maintenance structure and who's gonna be responsible for it knowing that they have to deal with things like broken doors and HVAC and probably critical life safety issues, that this would not be on their radar.

However, I do think that Carrie's suggestion that we could identify from our end that we could provide the contact information for whoever it is that oversees this to see maybe they could ping that person on the federal side and say, hey. This is what we're looking at. Give us some advice on how we can go forward on doing this.

Well, I was checking your theys.

They being our our our constituency who is coming and saying, we want to restore the.

So that was one gentleman with John Rueben. But he was he was sort of kicking it over to us because he said, you know, like, as an average citizen, I can't get into the clock tower. He ran into a role. So he was kicking it to us.

And I think this is where we're at we're we're an advisory board, not an action board. I think we've gone to provide support to the community of where we would go to then come back to council at some point. So I think that we are providing conduit by which John, and I think there are few other people, can say, alright. Here's your path, and we're not close to it. So if they were to come back and say, we got in touch with this. We found this. Here's some path forward. Can you endorse this or support it? Then we could take that to counsel and say, the county would like to do x, and we recommend that.

I'm confused because, like, how do you even get to the recommendation phase, which would be would involve getting a, I mean, like, you know, an estimate. I mean, we have to get, like, the cloth person to come to the a room that he can't get into.

Well and and I think this is it's a I'll use another example. When we dealt with a roadster Yeah. And they said, we want you to put up on fence. They said, okay. What kind of things? I don't That's your problem. Well, actually, no. We need you, the Gardener. Gardeners, as you recall, and then say, well, we need to do this. So we provided them here. This is the historic preservation division. Here are some of your options. They went, and they came back with a collection actually, They were the ones that came back with a series of proposals that within we could endorse and work with HPD on saying, this is it. We approve this. Take that forward to counsel and then request this.

And once they had that approved, and they were gonna raise some money, it was approved, and then we're good to go. But they very much say, wait. We want you to do this, and that's not our charge is to do these things. So And it also could be with that that there are other entities within Los Alamos that could be interested in doing this. Can go to the historical society and say, we would like you to help advocate and ask some of these questions. That is very much a a very appropriate kind of thing for a historical society to do.

Oh, that reminds me. I did have a chance on the National Day, the Art Fair Day. I was there with Todd. And I it was in the midst of the saga, and I was spelling off again. Todd.

I think it's great that you did it. We know things we didn't know before. That's yeah.

Well, I said, you know, I can't get ahold of anybody. They won't even give out. I mean, how could they possibly not give out a public official's name and email address or phone number? He didn't have an answer. I still didn't have an answer, though. But he

Voila request.

He I've never been till I was sleeping. But but he said that this had come up before somewhere down the line. And even the Justin at the post office said, oh, yeah. You know, this has been come had come up before, and there's some little bit of tension there. I still don't quite understand, you know, what happened the last time, but, apparently, they they saw new faces here, and they thought they could get us to, you know, try again. I mean, the post office postmaster said, you know, she she didn't think it was yeah. Like you said, it's very difficult to get this done, but not impossible. But, I mean, like, years. It would take someone, and I think that's probably what happened last time, isn't it? Yes.

It would take someone to dog dog it through the facility maintenance. You know? I mean, that could take six months or a year, you know, letting you have door things. And then and then get it to ship and then get it approved. I mean, it it takes a lot of dedication to to really do that. So you're saying provide the pathway, provide the outline of steps somewhat back to John Ruminer and kick it back to him.

And, yes, I think that's where I'm going. And I I know I do think there's avenues. Part of it clearly in this, like, it sounds like budget and time and human personnel, all of those things come into play, and it's gonna take them six months to a year to fix an operational door for humans to come in and out of the building. Mhmm. That sort of underscores what they're facing. Yes. And so this would definitely be if you were to try and say that you're gonna get the US Postal Service to invest money in doing this Mhmm. This would be at the very bottom of their buckets. However

However

That doesn't mean that an interested party, the historical society or somebody else, could also propose or you could they could potentially come to council and propose. We'd like to put a proposal together to do a nomination for a national standard landmark or to do a Saving America's Treasures brand and help us do this if they could contract with somebody. There are a variety of avenues that we wouldn't do, but you could potentially I don't imagine that we've ever had a Saving America's Treasures brand done for a week to post office that they could do that. Then they could pay an external entity to come and do the do the research, find out what's gonna happen, do the infrastructure, and actually do the the work like what's being done down close to service right now. Old buildings done, so redoing it as perfect.

So there are paths, but they're not paths that we necessarily do, but it does require some other entities within the community of which we have with support to follow that path. After Carrie, knowing this is also your world.

Yeah. I mean, I think I'd like to still continue try to identify the Federal Preservation Office for GSA, and I was given an address to follow-up on lost drawings. So I'll do that. But, I mean, if we can

pull together contact information and pathways,

as you say, take that. Yeah. I guess We need the right ones to ask those questions and get that data. Yeah. I guess that's what I'm trying to do, Angel. It's like, if we're gonna kick it back to them or to the historical society, then there should be a short document saying these this is how you would go about pursuing this. What? Is that what

you're I'm not sure that we need and, one, I don't think kick it back. It almost sounds like, well, we're not interested in helping you. We're absolutely interested in helping, but we also have to remember our charge. Yes. Right. And our charge is is not to do that, but we can do. We have the knowledge base to here's some here's some paths going forward. Okay. The last but what we don't want and what we should have is to have community members being like, we took it to the preservation board, and they don't even care. They didn't fix the clonox. We need to remind it that they were sitting in the room over watching that that is not our charge. Right. We're not the fix it team, but we can. And if we have a path going forward, we could recommend the council whatever that may be to go forward, but we're not there yet.

Yeah. Part of our charges, inspections, investigations, and recommendations regarding sites or buildings, county, and routines. And we've been asked to do that. So Right. So we're

in the investigative stage at this moment.

And I think so we can investigate, and we can provide a recommendation of being to back to the interested citizen.

Yes. And I think another piece of this is that we are responsible for We're just providing different county buildings, and this is a federal build. We're not there to go and tell Los Alamos National Laboratory. You really need to start preserving auto being to promote yourself because that's historically important, which is not an unmanagistic argument, but that's not our umbrella.

Yeah. But this is what I think is our umbrella. These these are our constituents. They're asking a question, and I think what we can do is provide what we've learned and a little bit more information for them so they understand, you know, our purpose or what our True. We can't just say, sorry. Here. Kick this. I think it's more than that. Right?

I think that's

what We have the responsibility.

We also do that.

The investigation. And not just the investigation, but then explaining to the public what we found. The results. If we don't do that, then no one knows that you did the investigation. Right?

So I think there needs to be at least a little bit of and I think we should work with the historical society to share some of the information we learned about the clock, maybe encourage them to write an article or explain to the public more historic information about the clock so that people are aware and they understand the history. Yes. It would be great to preserve it, but here's the yes. Right? And that that I think is a do some of that.

And I think that's what we're doing.

Well, I don't I don't know the exact history. But I think we need to engage the historical society to help reach the public because because someone needs to go through all of Georgia's information about the clock. I think there's a great article in there, I'm sure. Yeah. I'm sure in all her papers, someone could write a great article. Should it be me? Probably not. It probably should be in the Historical Society or someone there Mhmm. Who would do that or one of you wants to do it. That's a possibility, I guess. But I think I'm gonna suggest that maybe Carrie and I write up a one page, you know, this is what we found out. Results of our research? Yeah. K. I mean and it it's not the history.

It's not a it's not a fully documented know, history of the No. Fog Tower thing. But and then and and supplement it with whatever it might you're going to find out. Missing plans, and is there even a room or even access to anything, to be honest with what we don't know. Right. But write up something, one page, you capture all of our information, and then give that in

the

box to the historical society. I'm not giving them the box. Oh. Oh. But I will share the information with anyone who wants it. Yeah. But we have to find the suggestion is that we find someone who's been lost forever. If we can go to. But then we ask Historical.

Then the Historical Society has done some amazing things in the last year with their collections.

Which is why I would like them to look at it, but I haven't. But but do we ask is it is the path then? Once we have this one pager that we present the suggestion to Todd that if he you know, because it's gonna have some information on there on how to follow-up and what the next steps are. Yeah. But we we would give it to Todd or ask Todd, can we find someone in the historical society that would be willing to continue?

You know, we've done all this research investigation, and and these are the path forward. So so I think you're suggesting that once we have and and we have a box of information that we're willing to share that we got from Georgia. Okay. And then but, basically, it depends on what the god says. I don't I don't want any part of that. But it's historical society.

Well, I I don't imagine. You know, I think there are there are a number of avenues that an article may be a good idea. Let's get if they get together a group of entities, individuals who are interested in doing it, there are multiple paths forward to explore and execute next steps, not just have discussions about it, but what would be the next logical steps. Yeah. And that's what we're find you know, we're identifying you have identified the hurdles. Mhmm. And then, Carrie, we'll find out who some of the paths to solve that were, and then we could identify also what some of the solutions might be for next steps, which is what our charges would be.

Because Bill Bryant was gracious and said, you know, you've got my number now. You can call me back. Like, for instance, you know, once you and I get this house, we have a certain set of questions. Well, do you have a plans? I didn't actually ask them the other ones.

That's I doubt they're on-site. But Yeah.

And then I can ask him, okay. How do you actually enter into this horribly bureaucratic and inefficient system, our request, to get the key? You know, I can get more information from him depending on this one. So there's no room, but there's a key. Where does the key go to? Well, see, this is where there's a disconnect Okay. Between Justin and Bill Bright side. I thought, oh, great. Bill's gonna go take a picture. And he came back and said, hey. I don't think there's a room. But the whole time Justin was in the maintenance said the maintenance man can go in there and take a picture.

Yeah. If there's no if there's no access in the ceiling from the lobby, it seems to me there's probably a little access door on

the roof The highway. To that space in the tower. Right. I think so Bill White probably didn't follow-up that ladder. Yeah. Call me back to him. Yeah. So so that's good. It's my husband there. Have a little time. I was gonna do that before I came, but I'm. I looked at Google Maps. It's a super low resin image. You know?

Same thing. Just

Yeah. No. It's super wide. You can't see. So, yeah, that was But but I think we do this, and then if they're gaps or things we don't know, then either ask a question or ask some more research. Yeah. Or just say, you know, this is what needs be our investigation ended. Good for that. That all sound good to you? Sounds great.

Okay. Alright. No worries. Again, appreciate all your efforts on this one. Even if our constituents aren't here, we are doing real tough.

Okay.

Doing this on me for the record? Do you already said?

Oh, shoot. I'm gonna share one of the live Okay. Do all the because I'm not sure what's in it, honestly. And maybe there's something I assume there are old articles that have been written about the clock. I assume there's some history about the clock. I think you would be useful to if I could probably incorporate that into this one pager if there's anything. Yeah. If there's anything in there you wanted to to just summarize and write if plans are in there, but it would be interesting if they would. Yeah. Think let's totally look at that. It's good. Okay. Awesome.

And I will say, which for the reference to make sure it's on us because we did sort of on the the capabilities of the historical society that every members of the community should be encouraged to donate their items to the historical society. Todd has done a remarkable job in the last several months on on doing this. So I realized where you were going. I just wanna make sure we're on record here knowing that we should commend through Todd, who usually comes here. We've been like,

look at all the

great stuff we're doing and encourage people if they do have concerns that they should go and talk to the to the historical society about what their social society. So alright. Any other topics? Discussion on that one?

We can. Yes. I'm not sure. I don't I don't I'm still figuring it out. Alright.

Alright. That's nice. Have your review. So we are now halfway through our year work plan. And, I know we've been in December. I have the privilege on on behalf of our group to go and speak to counsel. Thank you, Jane. Mhmm. She and I worked on a presentation that we're going to do and talked about where we're going to do, including our sponsor. I'm sorry?

We worked on the presentation that you're going do.

You know what? I can't I guess. We can get up there and do it. Do Johnny and Leashawn back. Anybody else would like to step in for me to do the the presentation on the seventeenth? Seventeenth. The seventeenth. You have it written down on both calendars.

Yeah.

Any volunteers? Volunteers? Like, anybody wanna ask?

It's a it's a seventeenth, and it isn't two different dates?

No. It's June 17 at the

That's what we're seeing. Council workshop. Mhmm. Presentation. So as we go up so the topics that we sort of ironed out on there is to sort of update. Certainly, all the work we've done, including clock tower that we I I feel like I might do some tweaking on it to add work

that

has been done on responding to our constituency and how clock tower would beat that up. I might just do that in the presentation properly because yeah. We are going we're going deep here. We're looking for keys. We're looking for drones, climbing ladders. Everybody remembers safety is what it's called. Principles. We should all be safe in everything that we do. But so covering that, I did say in there sort of our challenges of where we're we're heading on this is that, one, getting our inventory finished will certainly help inform all of the things that we're going to do, and so having that work, and I know that that has been an ongoing process.

Do we have an update on that inventory? Is that all come during the staff report? I was hoping I would hear that.

Will get there in the staff report. Okay.

That's Yeah. Because I I do wanna know that. Good.

Well, and and to know also too, and I think thank you, Jane, knowing that as an as a volunteer board, we do not have the capacity to do anything that will encumber the to any kind of financial obligations as we're much more on that one. So Yeah. We look forward to that. So that's critical. What I also pointed out that we are look. We have a full quorum. Everybody gets here. I know that the there was another board. We're not gonna call out which one it was. Had a big Hold on. Was gonna call out. But I know that for a long time, they did not have enough people. So I mean Yeah. We really can't do it. It's not day two

of that. But it's nice that

we have everybody. Thank you, everybody, for showing up on this for us. So which is good. Any other things that we wanna highlight in there for half of your presentation?

Are you including, like, the Rose Garden fence, the Red Cross roof, like, projects that we reviewed and Mhmm. Yeah.

That would be appropriate.

This is high level. They want this to be but they're interested in having us talk for about three minutes or less. Okay.

We actually mention the, you the house that we want to go use it. They've been the disturbance disorder society. Oh, the bakery house? Oh, yeah. That's the actually have space.

We actually have the Baker House. I'm pretty busy. Yeah.

Jeez. We and we're sitting in we we are participating in this homesteaders group. We're just making a little bit of progress building what you're doing. The arts council. Yeah. The art.

Yeah. We do have it on there, but we're still collaborating and supporting our other other boards and commissions out there.

Yeah. And but that's a separate yeah. I guess that's a subgroup of the the big meeting. But they did think it was something.

For for the the working groups, there was a a sections for that that we wanna put. You guys down. Because they're not. Yeah. Can. Yeah.

Well, I mean, I if I can't do three people, I'm gonna do Carrie on this next program because she's separate from my short. But thank you for your, you know, help in this. And when I can see or whatever. Okay.

Alright. And then we're planning for the balance of the year. Do we have other things that we see on the horizon that we want to address?

Oh, sorry. On your updating Yes. We also did the National Historic Preservation.

The the the proclamation is in there as well.

Okay. Okay. And we stopped the painting.

And Yeah. Thank you for people who stopped the paper to put you on. Thank you for the people who've been in the meetings when they said they were going to. I will take full credit for my failures last time. I learned the perils of being behind the scenes without technology. I'm like, how do get in touch with people? My first exposure to that.

Oh, so what was the question?

So now our next one is our initiative on what do we wanna focus on for the remaining half of 2025.

We would have to go back to the plan and see what the.

Well, I think we'll keep continue moving forward on there and things that we wanted to update. So I think it's whatever it's

she's right. Look at the plan. Whatever we haven't done is what we need to do.

Or if there's any additions to it. People see something that's new out there that we didn't anticipate. Oh. We didn't get word that, you know, somebody bought the old Clement And Benner Building and was bringing a bulldozer in next week. That's the kind of moment when Cal said should be calling about us saying, what do we do? Build up and build us a building. I think there's some a range of issues. Nobody's gonna hold. I trust you. Please tell me I wasn't doing, like like, spooking something that wasn't out there.

There's a lot of discussion about that building at the business. I'm not sure. Would be I'm busy for you. You can find it in my files, but I think there was a point to copy here. So we can look at that together. Oh. Oh, look at that. Blueberries. What about the I have a question. Yeah. And I will be should finish this we had a brochure, and I gave it to somebody. And and we were hoping to get it done by the time we had the desk out front. Mhmm. We were gonna be we couldn't decide if it's a 100 or a thousand. We're gonna do glossy. Mhmm. You know where that stands or e? Yes. To see that get button.

Okay. So, yeah, you provided a brochure. The CMO office, Leslie Buckland, was saying that she she was recommending that you not do it due to the fact that other boards and commissions don't have brochures. And she thought that since that didn't come officially from the CMO's office, that it might have been done by a board member individually or staff member Oh. Individually. So they would want more oversight of that if you were to wanna pursue it.

Oh, okay. I think. Do you guys wanna put can have oversight over it. I'm fine with that. Yeah. I mean, I think I mean, we liked it when we talked about it, and we were like, for the table. And we it was fine not to eat it.

It would be better than that.

And he helps to let people know what we're doing. Okay. Well,

then I'll I'll talk with our our community development department marketing person. Ellen would be the one who would help. But she when I spoke with her about it, she would want the writing and the images that you choose to be provided to her since she doesn't have the capacity for resourcing all those things. So if there's photos you definitely wanna use, it would probably be best to sort of mock it up yourself, like, just more or less design it or say, here are the photos and here is the writing.

I did. Do you have them? I just Mhmm. There was

Not with me at the moment, but, yes, I still have it.

Directed toward your role is, the sort of preservation for the county, not external factors that aren't incorporated in in the HCAB's role. So that the county wants to ensure that it's county regulated and that they have the final say on what's incorporated in the flyer Sure. For for your board specifically. If it was, like, historic preservation, like, historic society, they would need to do their own flyer separate with with other stuff. So that's what it is.

It's for it. To incorporate your your edits with county owned county owned historic preservation county historic preservation duties. So it needs to be more directed in NAP than the the broad well, you know, this is the post office and example. And that's why

That makes sense.

That's why we give them the latitude to do that. I think we provide them the here are our ideas. Now you take it. And So

I think what's yeah. So if you wanna mock something up, give the ideas.

We did. Right?

With the county stuff. Yeah. Then And

it is all county. So I think right now, we we went through and did this with the county, and the stuff covers our responsibilities, I think. However, they want that book to do. Yeah. Maybe just be be here if I can meet with I think so we created content that we all checked off on.

Yeah. We just

wanna make it match whatever format you all want it to look like.

Okay. And I don't think we should send the photos because those are from the historical society Archives that Ellen needs to work with directly. It they are not our personal photos. They are Historical Society photos. They have to make a request to the Historical Society for those. Okay. I'll I'll relay that to you. Okay. And it needs to be her request because she's gonna be using the. Okay. Not me. Oh, and then I pass. So that they probably have a contract that they can get so many pictures in the archive anyway, so I think that's there.

I would be happy to work with Helen directly.

Okay.

That might be the best route because I don't think Helen has the capacity to go request the photos. Yeah. She might Yeah. That's what I'm thinking. So if you can yeah. If you work with Ellen directly and then get her the photos the call.

Well, you know, mostly it was the content was vetted out by everything of what we wanted it to be, and then I think it was sort of done by members of the committee directly. So now it would be nice to have it. We just want to have it reformatted with the content, at least from our end, and make sure it coincides with whatever they we're a little on that one that we can adjust accordingly, but I'm happy to work with them.

I think our main thing is that we just want it to be long lasting, so we don't necessarily want it to be dated. Right. When we develop so that's what we edited on the one that we presented. Right. That was our

Yeah. You were gonna take out the

To take out names.

Names and dates

and things like that.

A long time. Mhmm. And I provided one other better. It was, like, half a sentence at the on one of the paragraphs that I thought made sense, but it was mine. I just wanna point out that that that getting this brochure ready

Mhmm.

Address our our project two way two way four outreach. I mean, it's I think it addresses that. They should be developing our pregnancy, having our table up there. But anything coming up for sure facilitates our outreach. Okay.

So so that now does everybody are you looking at the remaining projects? Like, which ones do we wanna focus on? Yeah. I have a question on the calendar year 2025 work plans. Is there a way that if you would normally prioritize this between two point one and two point two items, We do need to prioritize these items that were given to us by the council or the department director. I don't think we would have got I don't one in place this year.

I don't think they're

prioritized necessarily in that section. Maybe we should shouldn't we put it up on the screen and assess which ones we're gonna work on? I don't. Or does everybody have to. Yeah. It's easier if you let's put it that way. See, because I saw our county council. I followed him into the building, so they must have another meeting. There's another meeting. I was like, I thought I didn't see him here, and then he was

So when it comes to the monitoring of the gardening club, the most gardening project, are they gonna come back and update us, or what do monitor?

I think they think it's a public night, because I think that's the one. But it's I actually think it's. I think it's in I mean, I think it's still that's the last I've read about it. Okay. In the public, like, that they would start installation. So I assumed that we move forward, but I think our part

Okay. Request.

Well, I think the biggest one is this inventory. I mean, I think that's the thing that we need to pursue pursuing because I think that one is really important because that will drive priorities for the county. Mhmm. That's 2.2 question. Right.

How do we feel about doing that? And two point two point two, does both have to do with that inventory? So it's Yeah. We we instructed staff to through the RFP and with Jane. As me. Yeah.

So on the RFP, I provided a draft to Danielle, and I believe you're she is taking it through procurement.

Right.

So myself and development director and what we need for our procurement officers, and it's going

into

so I can give you a little bit

of a timeline, and you're aware. Our FY ending June 30. So we can't get that done by June 30. We request a rollover into July. That's all of that those rollovers happen in September. We're we're hoping that the contracts and everything will have someone chosen by September.

So September is sort of the target.

September is our target because that's when our money can be encumbered. So

Okay. So that would be that would be then the beginning because we That would

be the beginning. We choose we we choose the company, the contract consultant. We sign the contracts, and we begin their investigation. Okay. And will that also cover the landhold cultural land and storage site standard? No. No. So it is we can only do the county owned properties. And then I believe there was an item where there was recommendation for other other landmarks to be designated or a way to designate landmarks. But right now, the county only has control over what the county needs.

That's what they have control over, but I think they do have I still think it's important to have a countywide list of these sort of properties whether they own or not. Yes. They're only going to focus on preserving,

doing actual work on the properties they own. But that's where the recommendations know. So What? The on the line item four, the recommendations are what would be considered historic. If they fall under that criteria, they are being recommended. They're not within our, like, action items to address.

So maybe two point two point two is something we wanna work on in conjunction with the survey. So Yeah. That would be good. That would be our investigators and research. Because you're right. The county should have an inventory. They need all of their cultural resources, whether they own them or not. Mhmm. And when a company comes in and does a project, they usually do what

they call a record search or literature review, and they identify all of those things even if it's not within the property that they're to understand the context of within which they're working.

Maybe we can talk about I'm sorry. Could do that list. It'd be great to have a preliminary list within that contract. So but label should have a a list. I mean, it would it potentially be as simple as getting in touch with the or is on this getting that list? And then once we have the we've chosen and the rest Absolutely. If you wanna provide that list to me

as soon as you can.

You have to go

through the How do we records request it? How do we do that? I have to

go to the public partnerships office. I can't do anything from them. Can you write a test on how to

do that? That way we can incorporate that in the RFP, and that can be part of their their

So I can I will work on that? So if I were that person responding to that RFP, I would go to the state office, and I would do a record search through their records and see what they have. And and now I know Lateral's records don't match the Shiploc records right now, and we're working on that. But that

would be their so all of those records are accessible. Right? And and we are taking consultants who understand what process they need to go through. Have, you know, that that background and expertise and the disciplines. Yeah. We're not we don't want to instruct people to have to go to the state office to figure out what's historic. Right. The counterproductive is what we're doing. Yeah. But I think

the public partnerships office could provide the county with a list of land or resources so that the county because the county should maintain. It may not be our board, but the county should maintain a list of their cultural resources. Yeah.

And that's archaeological sites, traditional cultural properties, historical facilities, historic structures, landmarks. Yeah. Sorry.

All in one place. Yes. Yes. I Yeah. And there is, you know, there is a there is a preliminary list in our Yeah. We have our books. We have

our stories. Yeah. We have made we've incorporated that. So, yeah,

I can definitely do. So, yes, I can try that access.

Yeah. The it's the directive of who we need to go to in case that's not on this current list.

And the county should also go to the state and get the records that they have on file for the county. So I don't know if the county has. Because we're CLG, do we have access to their online system to get records? So that would be another

I don't know if we have access to their records in any special way because we're a CLG.

I'm not sure. Inquire if you'd like. Okay. Sure. Okay.

Thank you. Sure.

Yeah. No. I I wanna support this effort because I think the county can make better decisions if they have more information. Okay. Yeah. That's really important. So I think those are our, Patrick, those are our highest priority reasons. Because the the year ends in December. Right? It's not it's not like

on Right. The wording is. Right? Yeah.

So those those would be the most important ones to ensure is what, you know, we're gonna finish that up. We've already done the Baker House. Where did we stand on contribute to ongoing discussions regarding the development of the women's dorm and the Baker? Ongoing discussions with the historic society? No.

Oh, with the work. I think the key there is staying engaged so that they can make sure they update us, you know, when things are happening with those two problems. So and part of that, it takes effort on our part because sometimes you have to Yeah. Ask for an update. Is that something on the news? Or we could ask for an update. I have no idea what's happening at the Baker House. Or do we need? Do you me We did we did an update on it.

We did.

Yeah. That's right. But not really the Baker House.

Well, we toured the Baker House.

So we did. We don't, like,

the kind of project narrative.

I don't know. Yeah.

Right.

Which is also in our report. Yeah. Long winded, but by golly, we're gonna make it correct. So

I would say between now and December, we should get an update on the Baker House. And that way, we would it would be nice to know what the county's thinking. Yeah. It's well, because what we said we'd do is contribute to ongoing discussion. So we're getting getting an update. We could discuss it at that point. So that seems that seems good. What's this World War two Americans heritage clothing? So you may have seen the banners that went up on Central that say World War two heritage city. And there are, you know, there are some banners.

Yeah. And it was an application that they submitted long ago because was with the historical society and helped put that together. But that went, I think we're just designated a World War two heritage city. I don't think there's a lot to do with that. It will give us the review and suggest language for a page on the LA County website. I'm not sure if there's a page on the county website or not right now. But there's page as well. And so who would who the county wanted us to do that? I mean, that's is that a priority? I would ask Ellen.

Or Mhmm. I'll ask Ellen. Is that the county? Are they going to put something on the website, or do they want to? Or

Last I heard, Leslie Buckland was saying that she did want to put that up there, that Linda Madison was interested in doing that, but neither of them have the capacity to do it in their schedules. And I believe that then whatever if there was something that you wanted to put there, that Ellen would be the person to find a place for that. So there's a lot of information on the national, the park service, website about it, but nothing specifically on the Los Alamos County website. So is there anything that's needed?

Who completed the application of the county? Yes.

Mhmm. Yes.

That might be a good place to draw information. Is it appropriate for us to make a recommendation to the county council the next fiscal next time they talk about budget to think about someone who has more capacity to work on this work.

We we certainly can.

Because I feel like

good thinking.

I feel like this that there is not really I don't feel like they have the capacity. She said it, I don't know how many times tonight. There's no capacity. There's no capacity. So if tourism is an important part of, what their goals are, and Anne has said during community presentations that it is.

She has said tourism is, like, their one of their top priorities. And if that is true, then I believe we need someone on staff who is taking on that priority. And right now, I know Ellen. I know Leslie Buckland. I know they they have multiple jobs. Mhmm. Right? Tourism and historic property is, like, tiny compared to everything they're expected to do. Mhmm. That's probably in in mind. I think more so the request needs to be clarified to them. Like, right now, it's

like, well, what's the banner? Like, what does it need to be? So when we have a specific request that goes to to Leslie, and it's actually Julie's office, Leslie has staff that she can assign. So things actually do get out pretty quickly when there's a specific request that has the details that need to be met. So if we can get that together and it says what you want it to say, it's actually a lot faster process than than what the they don't have the capacity.

It's more so they don't have the capacity when they're being asked. But when the request is being put in and it's going through the the proper order, it's probably thirty to forty five days turnaround time, but the capacity is there. It's just what's the specific ask. So once we get that incorporated into its correct process, then it actually they do have the capacity, and it does go through. I think the capacity

capacity is is more more than than marketing. Marketing. The capacity is understanding our historic properties and advocating of them.

So Mhmm. It the the board is for? It's not just marketing. Isn't that what the board is? What's We're

not an action board, first of all. So we need someone who can do the action. But I don't know. Do action either. Well, that well, they can do things that we can't do, though. I think that's one reason it's taking so long to get this RFP and to do things timely. It's just taking a long. Maybe I'm frustrated because, you know, this has been a year and a half. Does this get back to there was we talked about this, but I lost my friend. There was some money set aside for sort of a designated There was.

I thought we had a request to the county council for a for a person that could do some of this. Right. And that would and somehow that got lost in the budget session. So I think we should think about it. We should talk about it for the next I'm not for not for right now, of course. In the next budget session, maybe that's something we should consider If tourism is a high priority Mhmm. Who is tasked with that? Who is the person who's tasked with that? Not the five people who are each doing 10%, but who is the person? Who's that?

It's I would like clarification from Anne for someone who about who that person is.

That's a legitimate inquiry because we are by we are mandated by the county that we are supposed to be here to provide advice. Mhmm. And then we provide advice, and then there's expectations in there. But this is an entirely volunteer board to set up duty action. So I think there is a great area.

The advice isn't going anywhere. There's kind of a a gate. I understand.

I understand. And we did talk I'm

just trying to understand what exactly

And I'm working against Ellen and Leslie.

I know. They're great. Yeah. They're absolutely great. They didn't. It's more so just, like, where is the frustration? What you know, how can we how can we fix it? Not who can what can we what can we start doing now to fix it and address the concerns? Think we I think what you're saying is a county staff person that is Is specialized. Specialized. That has that someone who has for

Yeah. Knowledge to to address or to input it.

Because having an ellen or lesbian in a position like that, having a planner in a position like that doesn't make sense when we need an archaeologist. We need someone who is Right. Right. Disciplined in that field and has that expertise. Mhmm. Not someone who is trying to figure out what to do with the information that you give us. Yeah. Like, someone who can make that recommendation internally.

I understand exactly what your employer is. And that's exactly the conversation we had a year and a half ago. Is that how that's gonna be this type of county stuff? Yeah.

The county. Or We're conscientious. Certification, but that doesn't mean anything in the grand context of people who are actually in that discipline and have that expertise. We need I understand what you're saying is we need that person to come in and kind of oversee and work on what these recommendations are specifically.

And we provide continuity. And as we come in those, we provide continuity. Before these two were on board, we were here when we had this original discussion about having advocating for a person Yeah. On staff. With the pre And we Prejudice. Prejudice. But if you remember Right? So we have had this discussion, and feel like sometimes we have this discussion, and we have new people, and then the discussion just kind of doesn't go anywhere. And it's not but

but but this one is important. In my defense, I've been here since March, and we've got the RFP that has been waiting. So we're we're

That is true.

We're I I've only been here since March. I can only speak to what's happened these past couple of months, but we are we do have a new director, and he's fabulous. So he is a doer, not a talker. So so we are moving things forward, and it is helpful to have the understanding of what needs to happen and what your advice and criticisms and comments are. They're not taken personally by by any means. It's more so, like, how do we fix it? Not what do we keep complaining about. How can we fix this? How do we move forward? How do we be proactive instead of upset and frustrated and reactive?

And that's why I think we need a person to Absolutely.

That that Exactly. And I agree with you. Yeah.

It gets back to a budget. Whenever the budget puts in, it has to

be It has be. So I guess I'm not familiar with the budget process yet. I know that we're going into FY '26 now at the June. So July 1 starts FY '26. I know that budget presentations and everything need to be done by January, or if they start going through and discussions going through January, let's put it on our agenda to start talking about this in October, November so we can start making those requests and have them prepared in advance instead of trying to scurry and and figure it out in January when when it's too late. Let's get this done sooner rather than later. That way it's prepared, and we have, you know, we have recommendation from the board. But also Right? We can't. But that's within our purview.

That's in our purview. Yeah. But recommendation from the board and support of staff and then asking for that within the budget. So, hopefully, it's something we can, you know, figure out and and get someone specialized to be that person by the county. Right.

But specific to the task, who's gonna oversee this contract with its sirens? Who is gonna oversee? Is that you?

It I mean, they would probably not be a specific planning person. It might be economic development or it might be directly under CMO. Like, it has to be a preservationist. Mhmm. I'm not specialized in that. That would be Yeah. And that was done. The more it may also be need that. Right. Know?

Or we hire expert, and the expert reports their them to the CDD director. But, ultimately, they are the they are the lateral, you know, head as far as who is making the decisions or who is recommending the decisions, who's taking information to counsel, kind of like the way Danielle works with the intergovernmental stuff. But for historic preservation, they would be not necessarily reporting directly to anyone specifically, but working with multiple departments and reporting to CMO. So that's just It's something to work out. Like, it would be within our budget.

We we don't know yet. We'll we'll work out the details, and we can kind of get more information on that as we move forward. And we'll we'll do some research for you and and bring back that information. Whose budget would that fall under? Who is earning you? Would they who who would have that authority and who's, you know, who kind of get that job description together and talk to HR and and at least have things ready so it shows that we're serious about our request when we go for that budget presentation. Can can we put that on the agenda for next month? The I mean, we're definitely just

I don't know how what do what do you need? Well, you were saying we we would Start working on the request? It would well, the

Are we talking about two different I feel like we're talking about two different things. So one, we're talking because I think, one, we're talking about the potential for a staff person or a part time staff person to be assigned this. And then it also seemed like who was gonna oversee because I was gonna

know what that was just I have no idea

who's gonna oversight. An example of a task that a person like that would do. Yeah. Ideally, that's someone we we had a list. For a secret contract. We had a list.

Unless What

what this person could do.

Yeah. We have this. Okay. So what I'm gonna recommend, because I this is this is good, and I feel like we're we're expressing some concerns. What I would like to say is, Liz, if you would be since you were involved with this, if you could still help pull that list back together of what sort of the challenges were gonna be, You you probably have it in your records.

It was a list yeah. It was a list of things this person could do.

Okay. Well, what I'm thinking is is why don't we know that as one of sort of an an an amended task that we want to accomplish? We let's get that done far enough in advance where we can at least have the discussion about, alright. Here's where we'd like to go. Here's what the needs between these are the kinds of areas and what's the responsibilities overseeing large contract, helping support economic development, looking at tourism. Are There a lot of facets that I'm quite sure that you already looked at. And then if we can help that, then we can work together with county staff to say, here's what our recommendation would be, our vice counsel, so that they can include that in their conversation for the following year's fiscal.

Yes.

Because we're not gonna be able to get it into this coming fiscal year because it's in forty five minutes.

Yeah. So

But that's that's not letting go of this because I think you got a really good point, and it's sort of, like, before Carrie and I came on the board, there was obviously clearly some a lot of discussion that evolved and changed. And we need to be attuned to the fact that who knows where the the county budget's gonna be there, so we need to be realistic and very

clear on where it's going. Many municipalities have a cultural resources person. So it's not an unusual ask or recommendation. Yeah. In fact, I would say this would be one of our best most important legacies, I guess, I could say. You know? Like, all this other work that we're doing is important, but this could be the most lasting and impactful recommendation we can make. I think it's a perfect time to ask because we're gonna be working on that inventory. And then now what? Well, the county wants to know what how they're you know, how to prioritize that.

Well, a cultural resources person would be the person to do that. Exactly. Because now what? All of us will there will be new people sitting here, and we'll be like, oh, we're cultural. What's that? No. I hear you. Yeah. You gotta have someone. I agree. Yeah.

Well, in particular, a town like this, I mean, there are some critical pieces we wanna look into. And we have the CLG that the county kept with a lot of them for kids. And if we don't maintain that, we could lose that designation. So we're sort of tied to that in a weird way. Yeah. That that would be a slap for us

on this. Resources per capita is huge here. It's actually very surprising that the municipality does not have a goal. I agree. I agree. So I think it'd be a good recommendation. And

Thank you.

And I was a slide to

anyone who's been working on that. Right. But they should have some time. Mhmm. Okay.

Alright.

We got a lot more out of that than I anticipated

with you. How did we set

up gonna be done in that. Alright. So alright.

Can I ask a question before we move off? So 2.11,

which is review chapter 16, specifically section sixteen nine.

Okay. Right. Is there context for why that needed to be reviewed? Is this just a regular review of ordinance that the county does, or was there a problem with it? Or

There there is. So I can help answer that. Okay. We're incorporating that in the RFP. So it's more so so we keep the CLG so that we're in line with Schiphol. So that Okay. So that our development chapter is in alignment with with historic preservation. Okay. So has that been done, or is that something That is in the RFP. So that's that is in process. Yeah.

That is So the contract you're hiring to

do the inventory has been asked to look Has been asked to specifically look within our code to ensure that there's alignment. Okay. So this board does not need to do that. So your board does no longer need to do that. You can you can discuss that with with the consultant when they when they're contracted. Awesome.

Two point one point two is yeah.

And and regarding the the additional person that we might wanna hopefully, bring on, do we wanna add that to lessons learned? Because this is something that you're referring to in the series.

Yeah. I don't know what kind of lesson learned that would be, except we don't move the way we we want to sometimes. But I would we we can definitely put that in. Well, that would we would put a lesson learned in that in the 2026 plan. I think we would amend this.

Okay.

Yeah. We're not amending this one. Just using it.

We're gonna say Mhmm. Yeah. Oh, you know, we discovered that a lot of our recommendations

are falling flat. Like, we we wanted to make

sure that we have a little bit more. And and that it and like Carrie said, it's like per capita, we have so much going on here that we've been so yep. Hang on. Okay. What's next?

Alright. No. This is good. Shared report. I think I already heard a lot of things with your. Mhmm. Should be aware that next as we were on that topic, homesteading, which was a good conversation in there, that there is an exhibit opening on homesteaders on the bottom of the plateau at the Bradbury, and it will be held during the opening during environment and community day during science fest that Wednesday, where we're gonna have environmental protection and compliance there, and we'll be doing the opening of the new exhibit. So

The exhibit's inside the red room?

In the red room. Yes. It's in there. And it's permanent.

Oh, well. Semi permanent. It'll be there for a while?

Actually, no. It's gonna be two fronts. I wanna scoop what's gonna be in there that it is a temporary, but will be the content type of will be incorporated into new environmental protection compliance exhibit that will be coming online hopefully in 2026, but that exhibit will be turned into a traveling exhibit that we will be taking down. And

Is there any way to get an invitation to the art committee that's working on homesteaders?

Yeah. Well, right now, it's this is a public this is a it's part of Science Fest. So

But I think reaching out so having a it out in public and doing the that's one thing, but I think directly reaching out to the can go to places. Yeah. Okay. You wanna see We can have that

come directly from EPC so you can

hear a better response. Can ask. Wait. Then ask them what? Invite them. Invite them. Ask yeah. I mean, just send me a personal invite. I'll just send it to Anna's the head of that. I'll just email her and

Or if you wanna send me the email, then we'll have something come out directly from environment protection compliance telling me. Oh, And then Just send me their information.

Right? I'm sorry. June 25. It's the afternoon.

Is that the twenty fifth? What week is science best? What? Twenty

to twenty eight. Right? Yep.

Something Yes. On the twenty fifth.

How'd you okay. I was gonna email Anna and alert her for the homesteader exhibit on June 25 at the Graduate. At the Graduate. But then you said something about or some due date then.

Well, yeah. So you could do both. Yeah. I think it would be very important. I have it if I can write it. Invitation is a reminder. I know that they are reaching they may already do. Yeah. They APC is already reaching out to a lot of former homesteaders and family. Hard to get lies. I mean But descendants of homesteaders and connecting with them.

So Okay. I'm gonna email and cc you and just to be sure to have a sense. What? They can bring my account. What make that oh, they just have their meeting. Yeah. I'm not yeah. I won't see them in person again before the twenty fifth. So That's That'd fine. Okay. So

thank you, Jane, as well for your support working with me. Sure. I know it's been round and round we go. Jane, I'll pass this back over here. I feel like a lot of the things that you were gonna cover, we also love numbers.

Yeah. I think you I think you pretty much covered it. Right. Right. That's all I had. I don't think I have anything anything new to

add. Oh. So

going down the way, has anybody met with any of their counterparts at other of other boards and commissions that everybody can use in?

No. Wait. Other other what?

Other boards and commissions for our our reports and liaison, for instance.

Oh, well, yeah. Broad Arts and Public Places Board is they're they do a lot of stuff. It's great. Yeah. I mean, look at that. Oh my god. I mean, their packets are, like, super thick. Okay. But, yes, I went the last to the last one. It was May 22. Yep. So I don't know how much you wanna know. They gave updates on all of their current projects, which include, I'm just gonna say what they are. And then if you want an update on what's happening, you can go a little further. But the police station art project, they're making progress.

They're getting site plans, like, moving in. You know, it's all good. They're trying to get it done in time for some memorial service, and they may have the area figured out. The bronze statue, they they still have to do a lot of hoops. You know, they gotta put it out and get some ideas of that. So but it's it's happening. It all looks like it's under control. The nature center, the statute, they they did all of that. I mean, they they took feedback on, you know, on the Earth Day, and they know which one everybody wants. And the thing is is that it's kinda small.

It's just they like the bear and the ravens. I don't know if you guys have seen it. But that statue is only, like, this big. And so the whole discussion then was, like, when you put it on a big rock so people can sit on it. You know, it's not like the elephant at the pond. You know? It's like people thought, oh, kids can climb on it. No. It's, this big. So they're gonna put it on a pedestal, which so that was kind of interesting, but they're making progress. And then there's some sort of gate that they're gonna put. And then they got that going on. They're making progress. And and then the homesteaders group. And so what they did there was they did a survey.

So the idea is that they would Well, basically It'll be a call for art. Correct? What? The homesteading. A call for art. Yeah. Eventually, there'll be a call for art. They're still at the stage of getting feedback from the Barranca mesa mesa mesa Yeah. As you know, there's, like, three different pieces of this, and so they really do have to coordinate three different pieces of of the county. So there's Todd that's gonna do, like, the historic write up, you know, little plaque.

Well, matches all the other stuff. Then there's the parks and rec who are involved because they might add some sort of play structure or program structure, and then there's the the art, the call for art. Is it gonna be a homesteader or a car or a fan? You know? So they're they're doing it. Great. Yeah. They're they're in the midst of it. Thank you. You're very welcome.

Good to know.

They did come up with something that I that I liked. They they're all because they have so many projects ongoing at different stages, I would I was impressed or I'm surprised they didn't have it before. But they do they are working, and they're using now a template for all of their projects. It don't think it makes sense for us, but I was impressed with them because they have so much stuff going on. So, you know, the gate and the peak and the and the fire station, they all have a project plan that can be amended, you know, with dates.

And so they have a they're coming up with a seems like a better way of tracking their own projects. And either there's a copy of it, but it wants and I I kept thinking, oh, this is something we could use, but, you know, our our projects don't follow a certain pattern every time. Mean, our project is kinda weird.

Yeah. They've got that structure of expectations and things. They do. They Yeah. They're all of their stuff Follow things?

Kind of follows a pattern. Yeah. And ours don't. So, anyways, that's the next is the others organizational. Yeah. No. It's it's it's good. I enjoy their I enjoy their.

It'd be nice if we have the outreach people say, we have this historic building, blah blah blah. And we're like, here's the process.

Yeah. Yeah.

We never these were excited. Whatever.

So that's I think that's all I have. Thank you.

Right. Any others? And we don't have our council liaison. Can hear

how the booths went at the arts and crafts fair? It went

pretty well. See.

Yeah. Well attended. Any good questions?

We I think the location was tough. Can bring people in. Mhmm. People well, I did bring them in, of course, to the the cabin. But, yeah, that's that was the only thing. It was just a little separate separated from So but we did a lot of the questions and interest.

Yeah. Good. We interacted. I mean, and Dorothy was there for a long time and was doing the the Homesteader tour. You know? Like Oh, oh, okay. Because we were right next to the Homesteader camp. Yeah. And she did that tour. She did that tour, but our table was right there, so the meat will come up. Patrick took the first shift, and I did the second shift. And we just chat with him. We can tell him what I would like to append him with the brochure. I would know that. We're working on that.

Cynthia and May are you know?

But it was it was fine. We did not get a lot of people. So but the few people that we chatted with know what we do. Well, thank you for that. That was wonderful. I was happy that we did several historic preservation.

Oh, and speaking of Great.

Look at that proclamation.

Brought the

proclamation. Beautiful. And we will get that framed. Danielle

is

saying we can have that up in the community development department offices. So yeah.

And the historical society did a good job of getting out historic preservation and The media, they did a Okay. Excellent. Salon. So

And, Carrie, you were there when they

I was. That's Yeah. And strict dad and Starzni were accepting it.

So Oh,

no. They Liz, we work really together.

I think that's So We

would have been there, but somehow it takes care.

I did sit here to make sure no one came here. Aw. Because I had sent out things to people already, so that was frustrating. It's like, well, yeah,

I just checked the agenda now last minute. I went, oh, White Rock. Okay.

I can do that. Represent.

Email Jane. Jane is in White Rock.

Yeah. Because I think we had talked about it in speaker, you know, last week. So I'm sending production.

Good. Alright. Any no nobody's lurking online, are they?

Nope. No one's on

my left us.

She left us.

She knows what's happening. Alright. Next meeting. So now that we have had a chance to pull this over and everybody could please look at their calendars

Yes.

And in advance knowing that this would be the Wednesday July.

I'm not here. I'm English.

Alright. So we know you are out.

I am not here either.

And you are not here either.

Well, I'm in town, but

not Well, I also have family in town. So I imagine that if for some reason we elected to if we didn't have any pressing agenda items, not having a meeting on that day.

Do we wanna skip a month or or have it later, like, the next week?

Have any pressing agenda items? I know we've sort of

I haven't written any down. But I don't

So here I and I think this is this is how we can help with the continuity and making sure these discussions don't fall off the plate is to make sure that we get everything captured from this meeting that we need to keep on the agenda. And even if it's on the agenda and we don't have any updates about it, I think it needs to stay on the agenda. That's And they'll be doesn't. They keep it on the agenda. So that is the inventory. We definitely need to know. We need an update on the inventory. That can be part of the staff report, but it needs to be part of the staff report, I think. The brochure, I think we need an update on what happened with that. Mhmm.

We can keep the clock on if there are any updates, and there may not be. I'm not saying there have to be an update. But we're we will probably have that one pager done, especially if we're not Mhmm. Right? Like, that way, it's not gonna fall off somewhere. Yeah. I can see on the agenda, we we then it's like a scramble to figure out what we're doing. Yep. And then there's the I mean, yeah, that's it. And then the And the cultural resources person. I will work on that. And hopefully have an update. Like, keep it on the agenda. There's no Even Right. Update. That's a that's I've noticed that. Keep That's the active. That's what it should be. Yeah.

Make status updates a section, and then we could just do it.

Even even if Even if there's nothing, not enough. So how do you feel, like, for approved or not approved, is it right, or approved projects? Like, do we wanna have one approved project that has Rose Garden, has the,

actually, Pond Shelter. Like, all the little things that we're supposed to kind of just see that they were done or if we approved or we've seen them through completion. Or once we give our approval in this meeting, we don't think about it anymore. I don't have a preference on either way.

I just I don't know.

But where does that go?

Yeah. And I'm not even sure what the that's a good question because I think approved. I think we even in the support, the information are supported. Mhmm. I think maybe just project updates. And then if we get to the point where we say, this is closed

Yeah. I feel like project updates. Because Rose Garden, it'd be nice

to know the fencing is installed. Done. Done. You know? The

The only places

The brickwork has been done on the Ashland Pond shelters. Done. Mhmm. You know? And and things like that. So with those things we see them,

you know, six months later, it's like, hey. Wait. Sometimes it's supposed to have been done. I mean, I mean, that's what happens. Things fall off. Yeah. I mean, I mean, that's we can think about this logic plan that they have for each item. I mean, if we have one of those or just I think just those. I it's

not create additional layer But

it's it's not our project. We're just Yeah. We want In order to be engaged and do the things that we say we're gonna do in this plan, in order to give, you know, where it says that we'll be contribute to ongoing discussions. Yeah. In order to do that, we need updates on this project. And it can't contribute to the discussion if we're not updated anyways.

And an update could be it still hasn't been done. Yep. It's That's right. It's in progress or it looks great. We never have to

think about it again. We'll take it off the list. Yeah. I agree.

Great. Thank you. Is a good idea. Alright. So are we going to or with that, which sort of goes back to our previous conversation, are we okay if we don't I know we need to continue to do our updates, but we want to then hold our next meeting, suspend the the live meeting because of the fourth holiday, and have our next meeting on the sixth.

That would that would be fine. I don't have a Zoom field either way. I mean, I'll be here in July, so we I mean, after July 4. So we can do it the following week or week.

We have other board meetings. So if we wouldn't really be able to do it We'd rather skip one and try to

You know, maybe one. Yeah.

Bigger. Posting increased reports. Yeah.

Mhmm.

I would say with the one console that I would ask everybody should something funky come up. There's a bulldozer coming. We need Nothing from the board. Yeah. They'll leave the available for for a

You'll send out a VAT

signal. Oh,

advisory. We didn't want to do

that, but nothing happens before we meet Better

than we would advise the counselors to go sit. Yeah.

Okay. So is that an official you're going to suspend July?

July meeting is in. Okay. July is the next. So we're going to hold our next meeting on August 6.

And, yeah, and just to have placeholders done for all of those items. Is there a placeholders that we wanna do for what we've talked about doing for the rest of the year?

I think we are placed down to become recovered.

The Burrows Gardens? Yeah. This Heritage City program, maybe we need to know more unless you talk to me if she needs us to. Oh, see that that we were on that when we got dwelled on meeting a county multiple resource. Right. Because they should be doing it. Because we were gonna ask if she

Right. And I think she would maybe be more more comfortable with us having that person rather than her.

But that means that we'll never No.

We're not gonna wait. We're we're gonna try to get some of this stuff. Yeah. That's the little stuff we can try to at least Patrick's gonna help create. We can start hitting those workers. Can you start?

Yeah. So banner stuff,

we can I'll need to get on Right. On that. But but So I don't get off in attendance and Mhmm. Yeah. People's time. We'll we'll get more details on it. We'll start that process, and we'll get that we'll figure that out. You don't need to wait for somebody to come on. Okay. Yeah. So

Maybe on the agenda, the county's cultural resources list, that would come from the office, all those types of things where I need to update.

Okay.

Yes. Project updates for Rose Garden, the shelter, if it's finished, the dorm, the heritage city if she needs help. I she doesn't need help. That's fine. And the land historic sites. Is it bigger?

Block Tower.

Block Tower. Yeah. And and Stop this. House and and. And the motion. Yeah. We have it.

Hopefully, we'll have it. Mean,

I'll Okay. Start with my paper and send it to me. Okay. Yeah. I'll start writing. Got my notes. Okay. We'll go through it. It'll be my own treasure chest. Yeah.

When is that event that you guys need brochure for? It already passed. Oh, okay.

So It'll be for the next.

It'll be for

the next.

Be today.

Yeah. So

I'm I'm trying to get on a timeline when we need stuff.

You put if I had

it by summer? Hey. I don't want it tomorrow, but can I get it in the next couple of weeks?

If I had it this summer, I would go to Farmer's Market and be happy to Okay. So talk to people, but I don't have it, so I don't feel like I should go to

the Farmer's market because it's good. I'm sure. Could could, like, just five weeks ish work? I wanna be realistic with my with her timelines, with my timelines and making sure that we give Patrick and her enough time to work together is five weeks realistic. That would be fabulous. Yeah. No. That's awesome.

And I won't be able to meet with her until week after next. So maybe

But you already volunteered, so you're gonna have to do it tomorrow.

We're gonna be up. Uh-oh.

The list of health patients. I'll I'll look for that.

I'll she'll come find me now.

She will.

I'm coming to her.

Was it

still there already today chopping at your door?

No. So Yeah. Something might have it. Somebody might have that list of what we brainstormed for the cultural resources person. Oh, is she she's still around? Somebody's still around. She might but but we also know the good news is we we could recreate it, and we could just I mean, it wasn't that long. I mean

Yeah. Do you know what month it would have been that you discussed in 2023, 2024? That's what I was thinking.

It'd be nice if we

Could we do a digital search on the we can.

Mhmm. Yeah.

I would is that oh, yeah. But I know the way we did it, if I recall correctly, is we took, like, the old work plan, not this one,

previous one. Mhmm.

And then we said, look at all these things that really someone should be doing. Staff doesn't have time to do it. Let's recommend. And so we highlighted in that That was I don't remember that part, but you might have done it a second. Kind of how we came up with the list, what they would do. Okay. But it's it's different than this. You think it's a filtering though or, like,

a half? That's that's something we can start discussing when we figure out what their their duties are gonna be. They still have to have some historic preservation. They need to be disciplined in the in the fields, definitely.

Gosh. That would just simplify. Mean, that'd be great. Accelerate. And and like I said, it'd be long last. Yeah. It just feels like there's

a disconnect. You know, even telling John, Here's all the information.

Go. It just feels you know? I agree. Yeah. We we need to be somebody who's

an expert. That way when it needs building and planning and goes into public works for the facilities, there's someone to oversee that and to ensure that it is Yeah. Following guidelines. That means us. Yeah. You know? Like, oh, that's a great way to It's a little bit more that we have to kind of flush out and and work out in the details, but I'm I'm I'm on track with you guys. I understand what you're asking for.

So I think it would be really valuable because if they're doing a public works project oh, look. We didn't realize this happened well. We didn't realize we ran into this and that. This is historic. And Yeah. It would be nice if there's someone on staff that could yes. They could come here, but they don't. So it would be nice if there was someone on staff. It's a much more timely response too. Here, you have to wait three weeks. You have to come in the evening. There's meet you know? Yeah. Yeah. It's just not convenient.

Agreed. On on another note, I spoke with the cultural general counsel for the state's cultural Mhmm. People. That's the Alonzo. That's the Alonzo general counsel. Mhmm. And we were going through the CLG and the requirements. And because of your certifications and your backgrounds and your disciplines, you actually qualify as our experts for recommendations so that it actually does give you a lot more weight for our strategy. So that got done a few weeks ago. Very nice.

Yeah. Yeah.

Very good.

Yeah. That's great. Know us. I know a lot. It's in the battle. Experience

is very good. Yeah. It's in industrial. Key. Experience outweighing someone with a brand new education because we don't know how to use their education with the experience. Absolutely. Your your opinions are Yeah. Very valuable, and and the state agrees. So yes. Thank you. Yes.