Historic Preservation Advisory Board - Regular Meeting

Nancy.

You can take Nancy off the board, but you can't take the board from me. That's right.

Usually, they do something so that there's no feedback between multiple machines.

Or There's but so I did. Yeah.

So we're do the process.

Alright.

I

always worry about her. It looks so close to the edge of the cliff, Nancy. No. Anderson Overlook is beautiful, but

Step out.

Back up, Bill. Okay.

She's living on the edge.

She's living on the edge. That's Nancy. Alright. Are we up and rolling?

I think so.

Well, welcome, everybody. Today is 04/02/2025, and this is the meeting of the historic preservation advisory board. So lovely to see everybody this this evening. It looks like the only person we have virtually online is Nancy Bartlett, which is fabulous to have her there. So we could start this process off. Appreciate everybody waiting while we had a few minor technical difficulties. Call us to order. And we have a motion to approve today's agenda. I trust everybody received in your packet or if you're at home available online at the county website.

I move to approve today's agenda. K.

We have a move. Do I have a second? Second. All in favor?

Aye. Aye.

We didn't even ask for discussion. Shame on me, but I will trust that nobody did. Very good. Then let's go through the next step and review the approval of meeting minutes from the meeting on March 2020.

The only change I would say is that it's it's was Liz. I'm excited about this. I don't know. It's Liz. Bee. It isn't Cherry Port. Who start like, who started calling it Manhattan Project? Fact that you want was Liz.

Oh, so Liz outed herself.

I say, yes, I have been guilty, but I don't think I was first. I just wanna say

Would you like that, Amanda?

Maybe that should

be a little bit. Alright. I actually She was first, actually. She I I have never heard that. I like Liz's ownership.

Guilty, but

Oh, maybe

not. Whack dorm narrative, but Liz who started it. I heard rumors to the other line. Must we see a fact come out of that? We will say, Liz Martineau is going to accept responsibility for perpetuating the originator. Do we have any other amendments to the minutes from? Yes, Nancy. You need to remove your microphone. I'm not sure you get a vote, but we'll still take your input.

Could you change my misspelled last name to b a r t I t?

I will happily recommend that we remove that as a second amendment. Not Liz's fault, not Nancy's name.

Thank you. Any

other amendments or adjustments to the minutes of last meeting? Hearing none, do we have a

motion to approve? I approve. I Thank

you, Loretta. Do we have a second? I'll second. Alright. Cruz with only no heel. On the left.

No OCR. Yeah. Okay. Excellent.

This is my approval on this one. Alright. So we have a motion and and an approval, and I I trust that this is a motion to approve as amended.

As amended.

Alright. Just for a clarification on that one, do we have any discussion beyond the what we've already done? All in favor? Aye. Opposed? Hearing none. So approved. Thank you for that and for your careful reading and understanding that Liz is not solely responsible. Sounds good. Alright. Moving on to our next topic, public comment. And, fortunately, we do have a guest joining us this evening. So, actually, before we go around there, we didn't really have introductions. It's actually called order introductions. I didn't, so I'm gonna go out of order, which I hope will not be a parliamentary violation.

I'm Patrick Moore. I'm the chair of the historic preservation advisory board. I am also the director of the Bradbury Science Museum. Go around, councilor.

I'm councilor Dean Rieger. I'm not a vote voting board member. I'm just the liaison to this board, the council. And my name is Patrick Cruz, and I'm the vice chair of the council.

My name is Loretta Weiss, and I'm a board member and have been for probably going on two years. Liz Martineau?

Gary Gregory. I'm a board member and a cultural resources specialist. That's it.

You want other guests and our account now our guests.

Our Staff liaison. Staff liaison.

He takes care of us so beautifully.

Liaison, Jane Matthews, senior planner with community development.

I'm Todd Nichols with the Los Alamos Historical Site.

And I'm John Ruminer, and I have some public comment made tonight. Alright.

Right to you. Back to you momentarily.

I'm Danielle Valdez. I am

the new planning manager for the community development department.

Welcome. Thank you. Thanks. Dan on board, IT and D and development director. Alright.

So what's that, John? If you I know you have something you would like to share with us. If you would like to I guess, I will say, yeah, if you want to come and maybe the easiest thing is to come up and turn around so you're facing the camera. It's a configuration, but it is what it is. Alright.

Well, I I do have a request to make of the board this evening. But, before I do, I'd like to tell you just a little bit about myself because some of you know me very well and others hardly at all. So let me just begin by saying, you know, I've I've lived in this community for almost seventy five years now. My family moved here in 1951 when I was nine years old. I loved growing up in this community.

It's it's a wonderful place to raise a family. So, you know, I eventually went off to college, became an engineer, and then had a very rewarding 30 career at at the laboratory. So then I retired. Two years ago, I retired. And I've always been interested and fascinated with the the history of this community.

And so I kinda got involved with a bunch of history buffs, you know, and I started volunteering for the historical society, became a member of their board, served for fifteen years on the board. And during that time, I was responsible for all the maintenance of their historic properties, you know, the Romero Cabin, house, and the Altammer House. So growing up here, I was I always loved the community center. It was fairly new. It was built I think they finished it in about 1948, and it was very unique.

And it it wasn't like any other main streets and, you know, that anybody that I was ever aware of. But, you know, it had beautiful landscaping. In those days, you had to take care of. And and it had wonderful rock work, masonry, but the most impressive building of all was the post office. You know?

And, thankfully, now, as you all know, it's now on both the state and the national register of historic properties. But it's not complete. Post office isn't complete. It doesn't look like it did when I was growing up. And one of the distinctive features of the post office was a clock tower, and there were two two clocks on the tower tower, One on the south side and one on the East Side.

And on those, they were handy because we didn't have these digital displays at the banks in those days. We tell you the temp temperature in the time when we had the post office clocks so we can set our watches back. So I'm here tonight, you know, to ask the board to take on the challenge once again of replacing the clocks on the post office. Now I know that this is not a new a brand new issue for this board. You know?

I know five years ago, Mark, Rayburn and Linda Hall, they made an appeal. They made a really nice article in the Daily Post asking for information that anybody might have, you know, about what happened to the clocks. And they got no response. At least Mark told me. They really didn't get anything. And so it kinda an issue kinda faded away. But What did

the clock look like?

What did the clock

look like? Was it tall? I mean, was it

Let me just show you what the clocks looked like. Like, a 19 building. Fifteenth picture. Oh, there

it is. Alright. You can still see that.

You can

look close at it. You could still see the where it was. So this And how did they miss him? How did they get to understand?

I mean, they they stood out. They they were prominent. And in those days, municipal buildings very often had a clock. That was a that was a feature, and and we had that as well. So before I came here, I I I kinda got on the web, and I looked at your web page for this this committee, this board.

And, and I see from your charter that not only do you make recommendations on the preservation and enhancement of historic properties, but you're also encouraged to conduct research and do investigations into local historical assets. That's what I'm asking you to do. Here's what I recommend you do in the way of investigation. And to start with, I think, was we need to go up in the tower, see if there's any parts up there. No no one that I've ever talked to has ever been up there.

I can't go to the postmaster and say, I wanna I'm a man off the street. I wanna go up in your tower, look for some clocks. Just don't have the credentials. But I think this board does have the credentials. That's what you do. Okay? So you do have that. So let's go up there and find maybe there's some parts left over. Maybe at the very least, you can start to see how the blocks were mounted, you know, from the inside. Depending on what you find up there, you know, probably nothing, then it's time to get a cost estimate of what it would take to reproduce the clock.

You know? We could get a local machine tool company to cost out, you know, the the hands and the different power markers for for two clocks. And then you go online. There's all kinds of companies that cost out the drive mechanism and the controller for the clock. And armed with that information, then it's time, I think, to talk to the county and to the post office.

You know, this is what it would take. This is the cost. You know, I I don't I don't know. I have not costed anything out yet. I don't know what it cost to do the machine to a work, but, you know, it's not an out it's not gonna be an outrageous. It's gonna be in the 10 k kind of regime, I think, for the parts. Just for the parts. Okay. Something like that. Mean, it it could be that could be It could be. It could be part of arts and public places. You know? That. Yeah. Something like that. So, you know, or maybe there's other sources that the county has. No. I just don't know. But I'm asking the board to get excited about this project. Okay?

I mean, what a PR opportunity it would be. I mean, the community would love it. You know? The old timers would cheer you for sure. You know? And restoring this historic building to its original condition is is just a very worthy project. And so all I'm saying is let's give it a try. And let's try it again. So thank you for giving me time on your agenda.

Thank you. Fantastic. Thank you. Do you have any before you depart, we clap for John Shoreham. That's fine. Yeah. Yeah. Do we have any questions for John from the members of the board?

Question, John. Do you know when it disappeared? When was it taken apart?

I know I think it was in the early seventies. I talked to a few people that were here in the early seventies, and they said, yeah. I kinda remembered it, but I didn't I don't think it was working then. So then they probably took it out. And so that's the kind of time frame when it disappeared.

Any other questions or comments from the board?

Do you have a sorry. Do you, I'm just thinking out loud, really. Do you know there's probably a yearly maintenance cost? Yearly maintenance cost. You know, just to put some WD 40 on it or I don't know. Do you know I mean, I have no idea. Maybe it's question No.

That's kind of thing that really needs to be looked at because, you know, there there will be a yearly maintenance cost. And and depending on what kind of controller you get, you might have to change the time at daily savings time, or you can get get a controller that takes care of it automatically. If it loses the power, these controllers will, you do a GPS thing, and it'll send it back to the right to the right time.

I just have to figure out who who takes care of that, but that's not the problem.

Yeah. Yeah.

Alright. Well

Another comment.

Go ahead, Liz.

I I did research this with and, also, we couldn't find anything either about where the parts might be. There's rumors. They're in a garage. There's rumors, but we don't really know. The second thing is I believe it was removed

correct me

if I'm wrong, John, because, high school pranks ringing on the hanging on the high schoolers aren't the same as they were in the seventies. I know. The same. I think that's

There's no generation of high schoolers wouldn't do that.

Right. I don't even know what an what what that They would say, what's that thing on

the tower? Sorry. Is that covered? It's

an educational opportunity.

You can't read it.

That's good enough.

What is that thing?

She Yeah. Know. An art, Patrick.

It's moving arch. Don't worry about it.

So it was it was because of that. It wasn't because of

That's what I've heard.

Working or something.

Yeah. That's what I've heard. Is that

I heard that it it had a mechanical failure, and it was just beyond the cost to replace it. And then they took it out. Somebody put it in their garage. Again, stories I had met this was the first I've heard of it, but that doesn't preclude it from being a thing. We should go back and look in the old police beats in the monitor. Yeah. I'm sure it would be in there if that was actually the case.

You know, the the whole community center was built by the Kruger Corporation. I mean, we could go down to Albuquerque at the archives down there and and probably get the original drawings and specs. Center for Southwest Research and the Kruger files.

Or they do. They have the whole thing. Carrie, anything to add on this, your thoughts?

No. I've seen that picture before, and it just never dawned on me that it wasn't there.

Yeah. And, actually, if you look at the side of the building, it's it's still there. You can see where it's been removed. And And I

think there's a large tree in that planter now, so it's less Yeah. There's this whole there in that corner. Yeah.

This whole side is growing.

That's why I don't recognize. I like the idea.

Me too. So I a couple of things. Is this a county building, or is it a federal building? US Postal Service. It is counties.

Okay. Yeah. It's federal. I just actually You just looked.

Okay. Oh, This does change the dynamic because I think there were some hiccups back the last time this board entertained this conversation. And having it being a federal property changes the narrative. It doesn't mean that it's not possible, but it certainly is less easy than going straight to counsel and saying, do this. Yeah.

With that, that does not include the opportunity for us to explore this further and to figure out what some of the possibilities might be and whether converting it from a preservation standpoint, having it be a mechanical clock as it was its early days up through the early nineteen seventies when it came down may not be required. We could do some kind of a mechanical version or nonmechanical version, quartz version that will operate in the best as necessary. With that so we are while it is there that we take some things on, we are not an action board. We're an advisory board. That does not mean that we cannot absolutely work with interested community members to explore some of these things.

So what we may be able to do is if you and others were interested who might be watching, say, we're interested in this process is to start exploring. We might be able to provide support. The historical society could potentially provide some support to find out, one, maybe we could inquire the feasibility of going up there and seeing what still remains up there and whether or not how it's been sealed up, how it's been closed, and what infrastructure still exists up there. And then just start going through and and doing some research to find out what it would talk cost and and what it would entail, both technical and human power to sort of get that back into place. Because I do think it would be an asset that we should that we could bring back to council, and maybe we could then, armed with actual information, go to council and say, we found that it might be this and this to bring this piece of Los Alamos history back.

Thank you. Patrick, but you mentioned that it the fact that it's a federal building might change the dynamics. And can you say a little more about that? I mean, let's say everybody agrees and the council loves it and we get a cost estimate and everyone's ready to go. Is it be a showstopper that it's a federal bill?

It could be. They

have to approve it, and I don't know who that would be. It may be under

The US Multiple Services. Yeah. A US.

Or

each region has a federal preservation officer that looks out for federal properties that are on registers. I used to know the one that did New Mexico, so I could try to find out who his successor is. But there's usually a a person Why don't you

state the name of the state organization? I'm sorry. Is it the state?

No. It's the state. No. It's but, anyway, the the the entity that I cannot think of its name that owns federal properties across the nation, they set out their properties by regions, and they have a federal preservation officer to manage and look at the historical ones. We can figure out who that is. Sure. That would be the ownership approval permission that we made. Seems like part of

the feasibility might be just also outlining what that process might be like. Yeah. Yeah. That's part of the research is to Yes. That must be the pathway to engage with your postal service to get access to the project.

Sign me up. And but I like I said, I need some people with credentials. You know? Yes. And so

Do you think we should establish maybe, a subcommittee of our board? I mean, would the whole board Like

a support working group? A working group. That's what

I meant. A subcommittee or a working group. That would that's possible.

I I think that's absolutely possible.

I I mean, general services, like the

inspiration. General services, I would think. Yes. Yeah.

So GSA. Yeah.

Alright. Would I would be more than happy to set something up. Would anybody be interested in participating on said working group? Yeah. I would do that. Alright.

Perhaps under the business section, we can set that up in any other working group. Oh, it should take action to appoint two people.

Or Are we able to do that on this meeting, or we have to wait until the next one, sister? So do you act on that?

I think

the working group that you probably just Okay. We can verify that we bring it back next month. Right. Since they just made a

work parameters on setting up a working group, mainly The forums. Well, just that you would need to define who it is, what the objective is, and what time frame you'd want it to wrap up in.

Okay.

Easy enough in our business section.

Sounds good to me. Alright. Why don't we revisit this when we get to the business section?

Well, thank you. I appreciate it. I can

You can go if you want, or you can stick around and listen to the joys of distorted

Sonia Los Alamos. Thank you.

John, thank you. John, thank you so much. That's that's awesome.

Alright.

Alright. Moving on. Any other public comment? Nancy? No. Alright. I'm seeing Nancy knows, so we have no other people waiting in the waiting room to take this on. What's the long To Historic preservation board business. We will work through our down to other before we revisit this. So May is historic preservation month discussion. So we were have this on our docket. Did you have some conversation?

I just gave a reminder about the.

Alright. That's what we wanted knowing that Todd has come back to work. Would anybody like to recap the event of the date, and what it is that we plan on doing outside of one building? Sure. I don't like hearing myself. My nerves are all right here. Oh, no. Anyways, in the minutes. So

Yes. And that's where I'm going

to. So we

would like to increase our visibility by sharing a table sponsored by the Los Alamos Historical Society at the next Spring Arts and Craft Fair in front of the Romero Cabin on May 10.

What did Katie say on times? Probably, like, ten

to two.

Ten to two. And so we had discussed setting up a schedule so we don't quorum, but we all participate as possible in the booth. So that was the first thing. And the second thing was to discuss a brochure that would be a handout during our time at the booth. And Jane had graciously offered the historic

Yeah. That's what we would hand out.

Mhmm. As well as a as a handout to have. And then Loretta has made a discovery.

Thank you very much, guys. Loretta, would you like to share with us what you have discovered, which I also have one sitting at home that I found a thought?

I just wanna say that, you know, being a squirreling things away sometimes comes in handy. For the most part, just creates stuff in my house. But, anyways, I have no idea where I found it, and I have it. And I think we chatted before the meeting that this would be a great start, you know, to but I guess the main thing is is we might think we should have this on May 10. So we just need to revise it revise it and know what the printing timeline is so we can kinda back out the schedule on printing press before getting the revisions done.

So

how how do you do brochures?

You were

That sounds good. Yeah. You were.

Talks about what the historic preservation Oh, yeah. Does It's on the board. There are needs of the public, and the public is invited. I think it's a pretty good shirt. This is more what I was thinking of, not historic preservation month, but

who are who what that's our mission.

And put words from the charter in there, but I would like to see that updated to the new sort of glossy brown.

Following the the formatting style guide from Los Alamos County.

Yeah. I think

it is. This was self grown. But I do recall in the conversation of when that was made, and I think Nancy may have been on the board at that particular time, that we were really trying to underscore that we are not a a a Enforcement. Action board enforcement, I would say, that I think there is a misnomer. We are different than many historic preservation boards around the country that we do not have enforcement authority, which means that if you decide you wanna paint your garage door, you know, orange, and then we have to say you have to paint that or we're going to start fining you.

That is not our role. That's the county's role. But our our job is to really remind people that we have a rich and vibrant history, and we encourage people to in the process of preserving that. And in particular, which I'm gonna cover later, there is more to Los Alamos than project Ryan than Manhattan Project. So I do them in favor of updating that and making it current so that we can remind the public out there. And if they happen to discover things in their collections, there are repositories around that are working closely together to make sure those things are protected for the future. I'm scooping my report.

Who's scooping your

own I'm scooping myself. How rude of me. So

Okay. What would the process be then? I mean, that's a really great start. I just some subgroup of us or you should check to make sure that the words the current words in their current what you just said is captured in there. I call it county thing. Or

So just to answer that question, Laura, the process is multistep. So you could form a a working group that's not a subcommittee, a working group where you you could have fewer than four, and you would work on what you wanna update, what you think should change in the text. And then once you've got it all refined, we would send it up to Leslie at the PIO office. And she would format it to current branding branding requirements and probably any updated photos that she might wanna take and maybe tie it into the historical society's walking tour and stuff like that.

How long does it take typically? In other words, if we wanted them printed by May 10, May 1 or something.

Have to hop on that. But

Oh, no.

But The printing doesn't take that long. Maybe a week or two, but, really, that's Leslie's area. She has printers, you know, online printers, and has those relationships where she could order brochures really fast. Her question for you would be how many, and when do you want them? She would need some lead time for retypesting the thing. So it might be a month out before you Formatting and layout.

Because May 10 is soon.

May 10 is very soon.

So we need when we get to the business section, we need another working grid.

You don't you don't have to do it at your historic preservation board meeting if you wanted to work in the evenings. A couple of you together. Yeah.

Oh. That's what I mean.

I will throw this out here that this is the updated version, which is relatively recent. It includes we revisited this one after the creation of the after Los Alamos became a CLG, a certified local company. So it's pretty current. And as such, maybe what we might do rather than having to form a working group is then without resupply all, thank you very much, we could have Jane, you could scan this, digitize it, and we could have it go back and forth, or we could Mhmm. You have comments or changes that you wanna make in addition to the names, obviously, being updated.

But everything else seems to make sense, even the location of where the room's gonna be. We could have it go back, and then we would have a new version, and then we could easily get that into updating the graphics without having to go through the

There's not much. Yeah. That's that sounds great. I don't know if you want that. It would be nice if we could get our comments back quickly, like, Monday. Yeah. I think Jane can

We could set that deadline. We wanted to do that. Do you don't mind scanning it, sending it out to everybody?

A lot of changes. I mean, I think No.

We we did go through a lot of we went through a lot of hoops to wordsmith it previously. I'm like, oh, it's that version.

Yeah. Yeah.

I'm good. I'm glad to hear it's a recent version.

Yeah.

Patrick, just make it probably if I heard you to make sure that the not enforcement, but, you know, I just wanna make sure your thoughts are clear in there.

Yeah. This is the most recent version of what we had.

So Great.

So but we could update it, and then and then we would make it follow county's style style guide.

Yeah. Last name.

Do all that. So the historic preservation program, it will say something that is well using their font and everything. Yeah.

And for longevity, probably to remove the board members' names since and questions and comments probably to planning at LAC and M so that no matter who is your board liaison, that that's always accurate. So make it have

I'd be

happy to do

something longer.

So if everybody is willing to do that, and we can have by close of business Monday if you have changes, and then Jane and will be happy to work with you to do the final thing, if that works, before we send it to them to do the

Okay.

The formatting. That way, we're all make sure we're all on the same page.

Okay. This week? Is that

what you're next week. They'll get it all back by Monday of next week.

We Finish by we'll finish by COB Monday. So Tuesday or Wednesday or just sometime next week, you guys can get it to Okay.

So I need to jump through to get it standing on to this week?

I think we just need the names of who's on the the working group.

I don't think we're gonna have a

working group. Okay. We'll just get everybody Okay.

Send it out. We won't reply all. It'll come back to you, and then we'll be happy

to Well, but we will sure that we're common.

Okay. Great.

And we just keep it moving.

Yes. That's great. So And I would say we don't need a lot of copies. A 100. I think having a version is a great idea. Mhmm. Too small. I don't think I need, like,

how

many

Maybe if we continue to use it, a thousand copies or something that we wouldn't have available soon. Well If we're gonna have it evergreen without our names in it, that way we have it at this event. We might have it at subsequent events. We wanna you could carry them on

council could have it at their tents. Right. Yeah. Well, south is some. It's just,

like, 500.

Yeah.

But I do like having the option to have the historic walking tumor Guys also.

Yes. Me too. Okay.

In the same pamphlet?

No. No. Just at the moment. The event.

Or the event?

Bob, is there anything else we should know about the table that we're No. Share with you? We're gonna provide a

I can't think of move back

to my apologies. Sort of an overlay. It's gonna be a long piece of what sort of Los Alamos looked like during the early Manhattan project days and stuff.

And so

that's some other kind of neat little. Did I say I was gonna provide the table? Did I say that?

I don't know if we got to that detail. You. Okay.

I could, or or we

can ask. I'm sure Fuller Lodge have you. Right. Yeah. You can ask them.

Well, I think that's.

And at what point, Patrick, should we develop a schedule for who's Just me there. We're gonna do it closer to the meeting, is that something

Well, our next I know it's on the tenth, and we could try and put this together, but our next meeting will be not I know that's for a later conversation, but it should be on May 7. That gives us the days before. Maybe that's the day we finalize knowing who can be there in case something else comes up.

Maybe so. Because things come up in a month.

So, Jen, you could pick them up. That's for next week. That or

We'll pick our times for Saturday. Yeah.

So two of us can be there at a time. It is quorum. Correct?

I don't know what number. Two quorum.

So five.

Well, you'd want fewer than quorum. Yeah. Three is quorum.

So two people. Okay.

Is it appropriate for us she's sponsoring the table. So is it appropriate to ask

the Manhattan Project National Star Park?

We'd love to take a napkin where

If you guys are okay with that, I think that's cool.

I think

I think it'd be fun to pull in some collaborators. Like, it's not just us, but we're just one of the

We're gonna have the room, like, Romero Cabin will

be It is preservation month.

So The cabin. Okay. So to reach out to Bandelier and and Project National Historic Park. I mean, you guys could be there if you want. Speak there. Join us. Feel free. It's it's sorry. I just was curious if we have we do have a new Manhattan Project person. Well, we have and I know the Friends of the Manhattan Project National Historic Park. One moment. The Friends group might like to join us at a two.

Liz, would you like to reach out to those entities and say, hey. If you wanna have people come and bring stuff, be there with us, that would be great.

I'm gonna I'm never gonna

get it.

Yeah. It's in the

end of that.

You're just wacky. I'm wacky. It's okay.

Anything else we wanna thank you? Seriously, I appreciate that. Being a foundation and top everything else. Else on historic renovation month?

What?

Can

I just real quick Of course?

In our last in our minutes, we talked about an article in the LA Post about the importance of historic preservation. Not offering to write it. I just wanna know if that's something we still want to do.

We're a lot right now.

Anybody enthusiastic about writing it?

I I don't think we necessarily have to do it for the third month, but I think that's the send out that RFP. That when that happens, I think we definitely need to have information out to the public about what's going on. But I don't think it has to be

Potentially, a proclamation will be an article, so we might not need an additional article. Okay. I was just ending up loose ends. Okay.

Not a bad thing, and maybe the only daily post would just like to come and talk to some of us, in which case we could absolutely tell them how great historic preservation is.

We'll be at the table.

I'll be at the table. Yeah. They

can They can write. You're right.

They do listen.

Less control over what's said.

Yeah. Board

says, how dare you paint your front door purple? We didn't say that.

Something come that we are gonna be there. Yeah. And it's not

really an article, really. It's a announcement. Press Press release. Oh, nice.

Slayers. Would that be

That's only the county could you couldn't.

Oh, maybe county. They put out just a sentence or two that Mhmm. Reserve reservation board.

That's the benefit of getting that proclamation onto the county council so that it's given. And I would let you know what what council meeting that might get onto their agenda. We need to get something available to them. So letting people know that we're gonna be at this table and Mhmm.

To come and talk to us. We're have

to start preservation. Yeah. You can separately request a

a

press release from from the PIO's office. You can request that. Generally, Julie likes to write a press release that goes hand in hand with the proclamation. But if you'd like that to come out on a different timing, I could reach out to her now so that there's time for that to appear in I would see. For, say, a week in advance.

I see. Needs to come out that week. People don't plan ahead. Exactly. Different week of

I think that's a great idea. And if you wanna be out there too, it'll have to say, save our clock tower.

Save our clock tower.

Or Fly will come up. We're like, we need to change it. Let's go back to time.

We'll come to the table and give a speech.

We'll take pictures of the clock tower. Yeah. We'll have it there. Seriously. I mean, I think it'd be fun because people would be interested. Actually of that picture. It's a

great way to drum up Yeah.

We get more people on the committee and the sub. So if if I understand what we just discussed, there would be a press release saying that we'd be at the May 10 event. And then when we get to the proclamation, we see when that's gonna land on council county council meeting. We could have a press release for that, and those would be separate. Or or the same. Or the same depending on the timing of the process.

Right. We do wanna make sure and get it out there the week before.

Works. Alright. Proximation. Liz

and I, he prepared a draft and then swapped and merged, and so Liz and I have a draft. Okay. I believe that Jane also has a draft. So I was kinda looking at them, and there's a you have

a whereabouts. Don't want sit in. Oh, okay. Bridget, can you copy these? Okay. They'll ask these too.

Oh, sure. Yeah. Or you and I can share one.

This is a new integrated Yeah.

This is one that was not sent out with the agenda. This is the one that Liz and I worked on at homework outside of the board. And you

want this one more if you wanna see

what I'm looking at. Yeah.

One more whereas. Thank you.

Is the new whereas Is that something that we do have?

Yes. The new whereas Yes. This sheet that was agenda.

It's single space.

It's classic. One? That's the font, honey. Yep.

Oh, yes. Yep.

I didn't. Oh, is this the one that I No.

You've got a

Different font. Is this the one I didn't know? Because I've put this it's ending.

It's close. I think you might printed it. I think so. Just can you tell me put in the

stack on my desk. It is not in my packet that was online either.

Oh, gotcha. Gotcha. Gotcha. Okay. Oh, yeah. I see it. Thank you.

Jeanine, thank you so much for the text that you sent around with the homework assignment. It was it was helpful to see what a Los Alamos County proclamation has looked like in the past. It was important to understand how the historic preservation division looks at that. I really loved the Mariana Islands one. It took a lot of the language out of there because it was just very general.

It was about heritage, not just preservation. Preservation is such a loaded term, but most people think it's just building hugging. And it's more than that. So I feel like the Mariana ones really got to the heritage and the culture and the community benefits that I thought were really important for Los Alamos. You all are looking at my draft now. And if we look at the draft that Jane put on our desk, I really like the second whereas Okay. And would like to stick it in as the second whereas

Okay. And let it send my draft.

I would also call your attention to the backside of the one you're getting prepared. Yes.

And just

is there anything else that we want to pull in from that one due to or take comments on the drug.

The backside looks new. I have This is. Sorry. It's May 10. Yeah.

We have saw that.

I mean, we have that text in there. I don't know. Do we want to add the festivities at the Fuller Lodge part?

Carrie, I have a question. Yes. So this letter looks great. This is alclamation or heritage preservation month. Got it. Yeah. I will send you a letter about the alclamation for the. Yeah. No. Well, it kinda That was discussed. Oh, oh, gotcha. They will be they can be invited. They can be there for the proclamation, but we made it a little more general to the general public, anyone who's involved in historic preservation.

We started naming all of the people. And it just happened. Yeah.

So we're just like, no.

Let's just homeowners. There's historical society. There's Manhattan Project. There's the friends.

There's it's just like

it was like, okay. I think we just need to thank everybody, including residents who appreciate the history and take time to do that. So we we did go down that road, and then we came back generalized to not name specific people, but not to say that the they wouldn't be

So we say owners of historic properties Yes. Gotcha. Individuals and organizations trying to kinda And sit without naming every Person. Entity. So

That way you don't leave somebody out.

Yeah. We don't

leave somebody. Yeah. I think that was

Well, we call you out if we could, Nancy.

Well, there's just so many people that are participating in this effort. Anyway, so that's my proposal.

I'm comfortable with this. Okay. This is fantastic. Thank you for taking the time to wordsmith wordsmith us around.

Well, the examples that Jane sent around were critical to my success. Success. So thank you. I'm glad you I'm glad you like it. I apologize. Now

a question about the historic motivation, not the thing on the backlight. Yeah. Just Where would that Well that play in?

The content is in there up to the point where we talk about the festivities at Fuller Lodge on May 10.

We

want that in the proclamation, and I do not have a strong opinion. I don't know. I don't especially

I would hate to have everything side railed if for some reason it doesn't get salvageable or I just don't want it to be sidelined by a certain thing.

I think it's evergreen now, which is kind of nice that you can there's a proclamation that that sort of it doesn't really matter when People read it or see it, whereas this sort

of it dates it. I don't wanna do it, I hate to date it.

Do you want me to read it, what our version is for

Yes. Why yeah. Why don't we read this online?

On the record. Okay. Thanks. Yeah. It'll You're welcome.

So the proclamation as proposed, whereas National Preservation Month recognizes the work and benefits of preserving historic places for future generations. Whereas historic preservation is a year round effort in New Mexico and across the country preserve to the path for future generations set on a foundation of public appreciation. And whereas the rich and cultural heritage sorry. The rich and diverse cultural heritage of Los Alamos County is represented by a vast number of archaeological and historical sites, historical buildings and structures, and cultural landscapes associated with the ancestral Puebloan people, homesteaders, ranch school, Manhattan project, and cold war. Whereas historic preservation is an effective tool for managing growth, revitalizing neighborhoods, maintaining community character while enhancing livability, fostering local pride, attracting and promoting tourism.

And whereas protection of, preservation of, and caring for these places provide educational, scientific, and economic benefits for the county's citizens. And whereas the preservation of the county's past for future generations is set on a foundation of public appreciation and understanding, thereby promotes greater understanding of the people who have shaped the Pajarito Plateau and our local history. And whereas it is important to understand the role of history in our lives, to appreciate the contributions made by individuals who preserve the heritage that shapes us as the people. And therefore, it is with great gratitude that the Los Alamos County Council celebrate and recognize owners of historic property to its historical significance that contribute to the cultural understanding of the Pajarito Plateau, the individuals and organizations that tirelessly endeavor to preserve and protect these places, and all citizens that support historic preservation efforts.

That sound great? It sounds wonderful. It was great. Yeah. Thank you. Here I did. We did. We did. Well

Okay. I had some good examples.

Okay. So you can send this to me.

Yes. I don't have a copy. Oh, yeah. I will

Any any editorial changes? Anyone? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Anyone? Patrick always has an editorial change.

Of course. It's the university professor in me.

Please, Patrick.

And and I am I am not totally, but it's the redundancy in words for the what on this version, the the second to last, whereas the preservation of the county's past for future generation is set on a foundation of public appreciation and understanding. I'm wondering if we could is for future generations is set on a foundation of public understanding, thereby promotes a greater appreciation of the people who have shaped. So it's just eliminating one appreciation above and swapping the appreciation for understanding to appreciation, and that makes sense.

Good for that. I like that. Yeah. Just catch A

little tighter, a little cleaner.

Yeah. And I you have this. I sent it to you in Word, so you can make that edit if you'd like or hand it to Jane. Okay. And then, again, that includes I would like to use your

Okay. Yeah.

Perfect. Propose using your second whereas as our second whereas as well.

Alright. And once we find out if if it's when this might go to council, I just wanna be sure we invite some of the people, like, the historical society to be there with a proclamation to it.

Accepted. Great.

I think it would

be great for us. Soldiers.

Counselor, anything you wanted to add on to this knowing that we're gonna be bringing this to you?

Nope. I'm not adding anything. Yes.

Great. Alright.

How how do we invite those people that how do we there are people that would like to show up.

I imagine once we hear once we get a notification that it's going to happen, I don't think there's anything that precludes us from reaching out to interested parties. Okay.

So then we could send

We'll tell Nancy, and she can let all of her

Friends know.

Or no. Nancy will be there. Alright. Are we good with

this one? Think we can go on it.

A good one. A good

suppose. Since we are asking on behalf of us to do this, all in favor of the of the edited version that Jane has moving forward, does anybody wanna make that motion?

I propose I move to move forward with the awesome version as amended by Patrick. Alright. Should be finalized.

Do we have a second? I'll second. Fantastic. Thank you. And, any other further discussion?

Alright. All in favor with an aye?

Aye. Opposed? Hearing none, we have a proclamation to hand on. Thank you. Thank you. And, again, what a what a that's a gift. Makes us fouling. Probably about preservation.

Well, that's great.

My long student to me went, homework. Oh, yeah. Let's do homework,

but it's fun homework.

It is. I'm like, alright.

Alright. So we've checked those off. So the last thing on our working session here here is, do we have anybody who might like to set up a clock working group? Anybody interested in meeting other clock working group?

Oh, I I was Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I just don't wanna overreach. I am on the homesteaders working group right now. So That's right. I am very intrigued. And

You are.

Really like that. It might go nicely with art. That's true because that could end up being an art thing.

With the two of you?

I'm interested in doing some of the research. I don't know if I need to be a member of the working group or can I don't know how that works?

Just be a member, and I'll be a member.

Okay, Brett. And we'll share. Okay. Research. Okay.

We have two people. Now we

Now we have two.

Yeah. We have two.

Okay. You have two.

And you and can Carrie and I share?

That's

all. I think you could be on the committee, but she

could According to our attorneys

research and send it to you.

So to be specific, I'm familiar with the Kruger. I've in in Albuquerque, so I'd like to do that. And I am really fascinated with the process part, figuring out how to talk to the GSA.

And and I'm interested in the industry with the orange too. I'm interested in

Just two.

Right. The clock mechanism. You know? What? You know, like, how much is it gonna cost? I'm I'm interested in the So the

a rolling pin.

A woman. But rolling pin.

Who is

our man? Interesting. And anything Our history of the fact that I

didn't Come together with you. You know?

Yeah. Yes. So if they were all in Plus, yes. That's that's That's it to you, and you could share.

That's what I find out.

So you and I will be on the working group. Alright. We're gonna And Carrie's gonna assign me to

do the research.

Alright. Alright.

Yeah. And was gonna did hear what Dan just said about the groups? So

two is a working group of two is okay. We can't have more than two. When you have your information, you can pass it along, and then I can disseminate it out to the group. That's neat.

Okay. Yeah. Sort of like you do with the proclamation.

Yeah. So we could have two that you can wordsmith. We just can't have and you but what we can't do is have, say, the two are you on it, and you work on it. Then you're gonna give it over to Carrie, she can monkey with it because then we have a rolling core. Okay.

Oh.

Can she do any sort of research?

They do the research and send it to you?

We could probably do the research. Like, I imagine the question that would come back, then you're not having a rolling conversation. Correct?

Yeah. It's just yeah. Okay. Maybe what we should do

is, Kimmy, I want you to do that research. Yes.

And we can do I'd like to do the research at UNM because I'm familiar with the Kruger collections. And I'd like to do the research on GSA and what that process might look like.

You said

that you don't need to be on the working group. I don't feel that I need to be on working group to do those two things. No.

That's good. So that's a nice defined Okay.

That's that's a rule.

Yes. K.

And then I can share that information with with me and Beth.

And we can yeah. Beth.

Yes. Awesome.

Share it with us.

Absolutely.

We are Yeah. Particularly focusing on Sure.

Working with John. So instead of having a working group, why doesn't everybody do their own research, gather their own documents, send it to you, you gather them together, and then we disseminate them

all back out. Everyone.

It could be a discussion topic in the future. Okay.

So instead of a working group

I mean, it's research individual research. It's at your discretion.

I just love that we're enthusiastic about jumping in on a clock tower. So I'm I'm I'm is everybody good with that? Yeah. Alright. So we'll all just sort of go.

And if you are two people, you can so Patrick and I could still get together and like they did with the letter, and and go to the post office and noodle out to see in the tower. Yeah. Getting up to the tower. Yeah. Okay. Understood. But we're still I love that. Thank you for the help. Okay. Yeah. I think we all chip in.

You're you're you're you've been on the job for how long? You know, like, word

of mine keep right

here. Awesome.

Probably need somebody that sort of take a lead because, you know, we don't want three people doing research with the machine tool companies.

I know I think we're looking at what process we might be, but I think whoever are are sort of there, one of the two of you wanna make because you can be involved with this process. We could be in communication to have a discussion as we get closer before we start finding out who can machine these things. I think we need to first identify the process of what it's going to take. It is a federal building, what that will consist of, and then what are the possibilities. And then we might look to saying, are we gonna find machine shop? But, yes, you are correct.

We but, you know, John did lay out a really nice sequence in which you know? So we've got Carrie doing research, Liz as well, any of us that want to research into it. But if we start with Carrie's focusing on the process, Patrick and John and and I could go to the post office and see if we could get up to the top. I mean, that was the first thing you laid out.

Yeah. Of course.

Once we know if there is or isn't,

like to go whether the

you know, tracking down stuff in garages.

Unless it materializes somewhere.

Once we know what looks like up there, and then the next part, as you said, was, you know, the machine tool cost estimate. So we'll throw everything back to you. No rolling corpse. Right.

Looks like a channel.

You can definitely be in contact with historical scenarios. Absolutely. Yes.

You know,

they can put out hey. Does anyone know about

put out feelers again. Who knows? But as you

We'll put it on as a topic of discussion for the next Right. Agenda item. You

can't say we suffer from a lack of experience for people who come in there and think, you ought to that's what you tell people. We got deer fences, and we got clocks. We're all about it.

And if you come and give public comment, you

just might end up Uh-huh.

I was gonna tell you what's we know what's happening.

That picture on my head. The picture on the couch anybody that can buy it will know anything about that clock.

Find the clock. Oh, boy. Do the concrete work. I'm making it little If I want to make Because if we do fix the clock, we have to fix the broken concrete on the little squares we throw up. So I'm saying, it's it's a mess, and it's part of our historic fabric of our community.

I'm alright. Chairman's report. What we really need to do is fix the broken little blocks on-site. If you don't know what I'm talking about, everybody go back. I did notice on the very front of the historic preservation program, just as a reminder and you can, if you look very closely, can see the clock outline and the broken squares around the bottom, which is nice sort of problem.

So on my report, moving forward on this next topic since we're done with the other parts, thank you for all of this going forward. I think as we close in, it's key. This is an exciting time, and I think as we call things forward, we're recognizing that there are a lot of different moving pieces out there in terms of collections. I know Todd's experienced it. We just had a remarkable collection that came in since our last meeting, from the, the daughter that the family of a woman who the oh, I'm sorry.

The the the daughters of of the gentleman, the only person who was a witness to all three of the first nations, Trinity, and then he flew on the great artistic instrumentation aircraft over both Hiroshima and Nagasaki, donated his collection, which is remarkable, including goggles he had at all three as well. He granted he was looking at instrumentation and didn't see it directly when they happened over, to target cities. But he did write a letter back to his three year old daughter sort of memorializing. The only people who know what's happened are the people on this plane and Japanese who know something new has happened. And it's, very poignant, very powerful, but I think it's we probably will see a lot more of these kinds of things coming out.

And I would certainly encourage everybody to be attuned to the fact that Todd and the historical society, anything related to Los Alamos, its community, its fabric has a home for it. Anything that's scientific within the laboratory umbrella, the Bradbury here, the national, the NSRC, National Security Research Center, because occasionally, they discover things in people's garages that shouldn't be in people's garages, and we need to follow the right path. So if you find something at home and you're like, wow. This looks really technical. Please call.

And and and I think that that's it's a great place that we're at right now. And I think it's also important that as we talk about our preservation, certainly Manhattan Project, history is critically important, and we want to continue preserving that, sort of the bedrock of who we are. We have eighty years, a legacy of this town and this community doing such a broad spectrum of things. And I think part of the reason the preservation board is key is every year that goes forward and it clicks over another 50, whole new sections of town suddenly become historic. We're closing in on parts of, you know, the non one, two, three, four section of Barranca, the first private homeownership areas.

And now all that area, the good El Los Pueblos, is all kicking over into becoming historic. And and it's easy to just sort of dismiss it as, well, you know, it's just homes where people lived, and they're really ugly with that blah blah people. You may have that opinion, but it's still a really important part of our history. And that's really where we stand as this board to be a resource to help. Somebody calls us, doesn't mean we have to do it. We call the historical society. We can find these sort of so I think only my point here is is when we're out there sitting at the table, it's a the clock tower is not Manhattan Project. It's after, and everything else associated with our town is important. Felt constantly. We have an important cold war.

We have a critically important cold war and a critically important scientific history. As people be like, you're only about this to point out, you know, did your grandma manage to recover from cancer? There's a really, really, really good chance that the radioisotopes came from us. And the fact that we're discovering stuff out in space and nanotechnology and supercomputing, did you like the fact that you stayed no. I'm just so boxing like ahead of the Bradbury. But still, we have an incredibly important legacy here, and we wanna maintain

Those are the types of things that are gonna come up at the table. You know what? I've got this box in my garage, and we need to be able to know how to handle those.

Absolutely. I will

say this. Sure. What's the I founded the garage.

What's the picture of the garage?

The Historic Society has more than enough copies of Adam Magazine. Thank you all for doing great work.

Thank you, Todd. I appreciate it. Other historical societies have to turn away. No. We don't need your entire run of National Geographic. We don't need your run of Adam magazines, but it's been worth a quickie look. Alright. With that, staff report.

Okay. Thank you for signing this memo. So that's the one that come down. Let's see. One thing I wanted to bring up was that there is a quarterly boards and commissions luncheon that the president or chair could attend. If not, you can assign someone else. No one was there from historic preservation advisory committee.

This is a monthly shame. I went two ago. Okay.

You were at the previous one. But Did

you say monthly? No. Quarterly. Quarterly.

So just for a year. The last one we had was March 13. So if if one of you would like to attend the next one, it hasn't appeared on my calendar yet, or I would have told you a date. I was able to tell them about some of the work in the Rose Garden. I did not bring up the Manhattan project era dormitory project because other members of planning and zoning were there, and I didn't wanna cause any conflict to them.

But we talked about other things. So if there's anything you would want me to read, if if none of you were available, it's always 11:30 to one. You could put together a little briefing that I could read.

Problem is you have to know when that meeting is. And in the past, they have passed. They have they notified me. Okay. Like, two days before I'm supposed to be there or the day before. And it was

I actually didn't know. I had to find out from somebody else, and we had already had something booked. Are you going to a luncheon?

Yeah. Once I get it on my calendar, I'll be sure and let you all know. I heard from