Historic Preservation Advisory Board - Regular Meeting

Why don't we call this meeting to order? The historic preservation advisory board on 02/05/2025. Calling it to order. So let's go through our process right here. I'm Patrick Moore. I am the chair of the Historic Preservation University and serve as the director of the Bradbury Science Museum for Los Alamos National Laboratory.

Nice job.

Yeah. So my name is Patrick Cruz, and I am the museum curator at Angela National Monument.

Liz Martino, I'm I'm working for the Los Alamos Community Foundation, but previous executive director of the

That's what I know means again.

Carrie Gregory, architectural and landscape historian for Los Alamos National Laboratory.

For our staff represent Jane.

I'm Jane Matthews, senior planner in community development department.

Right. Thank you, Jane. So moving on to the next order of business right here, public comment. We don't have it on here. We need to approve the agenda for today.

That's something to

This is what we do. We did our introduction, public comment. Actually, we no. We have to have public comment first as per the agenda. Public comment.

If there is any Do

we have any public comment? We'll start with the public here. Seeing none, do we have any online? Well, hearing none, we will move on to the next point. So approval of today's agenda. We have a motion to approve the agenda. Pardon? We add something to the agenda.

No.

No. I don't think we can. But we could we could put it in in discussion for future business. I will. On number on article b, we will do that for the next meeting agenda items. Alright. So do we have approval for the current agenda as posted on the county website?

I move to approve the agenda as posted.

Alright. Do we have a second? I second. Fantastic. All in favor?

Aye. Aye. Oh,

so Marie.

Oh, did Marie have a question? No.

I don't. I'm trying to mute myself, actually, but it won't mute.

Okay. Alright. So review and approval of the minutes. We actually have two sets of the minutes to approve. We'll start off with the first one from the December 4 meeting. People have had a chance to review that. Do we have any comments on that?

If so, we have a motion to approve. I move to approve the minutes. Please, do we have a second?

A second.

That's all

correct. Very good. All in favor?

Aye. Alright.

Moving on to the second, our brief approval meeting that we had on the special hosted and online meeting on December 11, which is also within the package. Do we have a motion to approve this set of meetings for a very brief meeting?

I second.

I have a second. Very good. Do we have any comment?

It was a short meeting.

It was a short meeting. Yeah. Thank you for

the comment. Good. It was

a very short meeting. Was good. All in favor of approving said minutes?

Aye. Alright.

Any opposed? Hearing none, meetings minutes for the two meetings in December are gone. Moving on to our next Manhattan Project Era dormitory project update and possible action on recommendation to planning and zoning commission. Do we have a presentation on this?

We do. We sure do.

I was worried that you guys, we could be able to see the screen, but you guys have figured this out, obviously. So you have to unravel.

Jane is all over it.

That is the trickier. And I'm glad I see some of you have a good copy of

this. Yeah.

But then I'm glad. I'm sorry. I believe

there's some more

copies over there if you didn't have a Are there copies? Yes.

I'll take one. I'm looking on a

screen here, so we can share. I have the digital version if you want to.

Thank you. It may not be in there.

Oh, this is the actual. Very, very good. Yes. Very good.

Just the. Okay. Well, thank you all for having us here tonight to talk about this

Let me do an introduction of who you are for the audience and the records.

Madison. I'm the deputy manager. And so this project, I've been involved with it since the beginning. At the time, I was the assistant to the county manager trying to figure out how we could best support the New Manhattan Project National Circle Park and the other national parks in the area, and so have kind of been around since we were approached by the church to buy this property. So super excited to give you guys kind of where we stand right now.

And I'll just tell you that I really am trying to showcase some of the preservation work that was done as part of this contract and this project and also let you know kinda where we sit and where we're going in the future. So with that, in the next slide, just a quick, just go over, you know, background status, reservation work, show you some renderings of the current design, which are super cool, and go over next steps. Okay. So I have to address the elephant in the room because this is really awkward for me. We all have been this name of what is this building name?

What what is it? For a long time, when we very first bought the building, we called it the Christian Science Church because that's who lived in it. That's who owned it. And then I had always referred to it as the WAC Building, Women's Army Corps building. And so in this process, and I'm sure Patrick's quite aware of this, there has been lots and lots of different names.

And I just pulled some of them, former dorm, women's a record dorm in different, you know, WAC Building. And I've heard some people start to call it as the civilian women's because we don't quite know if it was a WAC that lived in there. And then but I was talking to Jonathan Creel, our great friend over at the He's done a lot of work in this area, and he suggested just plain Manhattan Project Dormitory. So that's what I'm going with. I'll I'll try and use that term, and hopefully, you'll join me in using that term for now on.

Okay. So we talked about back in 2015, the Manhattan Project National Scope was established, and it talked about this former dormitory at 1725 17th Street, and it was specifically mentioned as eligible area. It also was in the foundation document. So what it meant was it was park eligible, but not in the current park boundary. Now at the time, it was privately owned.

So that was one of the reasons why it wasn't in the current park boundary. But it's but it's was noted. Everyone that the, MOA working group that established that park loved the building. Every time you went into it, you could just smell the history in it. And if you have not been in the building, let me know. I will take you through it myself because it is just an amazing building. We were approached by the church in 2019. They it was too much for them. Their their congregation has shrunk, maybe aging a little bit, and just really could not keep up with the upkeep. And so they offered it to the county.

I proposed we proposed to county council, and we ended up buying it in July 2019 for $600,000. That's quite a bargain. We closed oh, we closed in in September that same year. The church asked to stay a few months because they were still trying to get situated on where we wouldn't go. So ended up in February 2020, strictly fine church of the property.

We then when we were buying the property, council asked us to really engage the public and those affected parties and those interested parties to figure out what what it should be. What what did the community want? What was the best use of it, etcetera? So we engaged with Mullen Heller architecture firm to do building design work, historic registration services, and this public outreach processed. As you call 2021, we, we're kind of in the middle of COVID.

We did do public out outreach, but, these three meetings that I'm talking about were almost well, I know the neighborhood meeting was a 100% online. The other two, I think I we came here at the historic preservation board. Think I think they were all a 100%. We did hold those meetings to just try and get a feel from community what what was wanted. And before you go on, you know, we heard lots of different things.

We heard a lot of people that wanted to maybe keep it as a dorm. We heard a lot of people that wanted to make it into, you know, a celebration of Manhattan Project, women in the Manhattan Project, the women army corps in the Manhattan Project. So give it really some life that could celebrate its history. So there was a broad range, but, in general, people were very excited that the county had ownership and that we're gonna do something with it. So little repeat.

So, again, 2021 got really under working with our architects. So in 2022, after hearing all this input and taking that and coming up with three different concepts of what that building could look like, what what it would be renovated. One focused on housing, kind of returning it to its not so much dorms, but some kind of housing use. One really focused on the Manhattan Project National Historic Historical Park, kind of a visitor center and their office space. And then the third one was kind of a combination.

It it it was the most chopped up because it had park space. It had space for a true museum, and then it also had, I think, something on the 2nd Floor. So, again, we presented all this to council, and they were very thoughtful in their decision because a lot of some of the uses, you were really gonna have to destroy the interior layout to get true, you know, true housing in there. If you've been in the building, there are very few people that could live in that small, you know, room with a very even smaller bathroom. And so in order to kind of redo it for people to live in, you were really gonna have to destroy that interior.

And I think what's been so fascinating is that the church really didn't do anything to the building. So that building really did look like it looked back in ninth in the nineteen forties. And so to for us, for the county to come in and kind of destroy that look and feel, the council was not willing to do that, which I think is really a great is a great, service to all of us. This conceptual design one a, another feature of it, and I'll show a picture of it. Actually, why don't you let me just go to the next slide.

This shows this. So you can see 1st Floor. We combined the visitor center for the Manhattan Project National Historical Park and their office space. Right now, their office space in Fuller Lodge, visitor center of the community building. So they were super excited about coming together in one space so that their staff, you know, they can back each other up, take lunch breaks, and have a a bigger space.

And then the architect suggested putting like a live in suite on the 2nd Floor, which would allow them they had a seasonal person or if they had someone new starting, you could say, well, here, you could live here for six months until you find something permanently, but it allowed them to have a little bit of an option to use that. And, again, kind of left the the 2nd Floor almost untouched other than, you know, new paint, new floor you know, redo floors, check the windows, all that. Just but really because not really knowing what that become the future phases. But you'll see that there's an exterior building. Can obviously, it's in purple, kind of in the middle of the page.

And I what we all loved about this was this is a visitor center, and you're gonna have people in it. You need a lot of restrooms. Right? And so, again, in order to get the number and the ADA accessible that we would, you know, want to have and need to have, you would really destroy a lot of the interior layout to get that. So our architect said, hey.

You you know, let's do an exterior building so that you don't have to put the public rations inside. You put them outside. And so that really helps a lot. So that's what so council selected that. And then just we did come back in September after council selected that to both HPAB and the tourism task list to let kind of what came from the side.

That decision was made. Our architect continued on their their design drawings. 30 were complete in 2023. And I think what was really exciting about when these 30% drawings were complete, they spent a lot of time with the Manhattan Project superintendent and with staff that are on the ground here in Los Alamos looking over the plans and saying, you know, from your experience running a visitor center, what what's missing, or is this workable? And so it was really a lot of back and forth that we were able to kinda get that feedback.

And we're really one of our acting site managers was really amazing in providing that research the architecture. So they had a lot of really great meetings about, you know, how that was created. And, again, their office space, at one point, there was, like, a reception area and, you know, a space for a receptionist. And they're like, we don't have people walking in the door like that. We don't need it. You know, that's wasted space. Don't do that. Let's put a conference room. Let's put a couple offices because we will have, you know, a site manager and a ranger. So they really work those, but the input from the park service is really great.

So that was that was super exciting. This it it it was finalized in November 24. We ended up starting further back in the summer getting the rezone. So we knew back when we acquired the property, it was zoned residential r four. It's a it means four four units per acre.

So it was we knew we were gonna have to rezone it because that we you know, this was not an acceptable use case. So we rezone to institutionally. I mean, so that was final approved by funding and zoning in November and then, or it was recommended, by funding and zoning in November and then approved in council and then became effective in January. So that rezone is complete. So let me just show you kind of I'm pulling from the 30% design bucket.

This shows the site site plan. You'll note at the top so the top is towards the Unitarian church and so the church there, Masonic Lodge, That's that's at the top. And you'll see that we have a bus loading perfect. Yeah. Loading and unloading zone.

It's not parking. We heard very strongly from residents and others that no one wanted buses idling there. It really is a unloading, unloading thing. We also have a parking lot kind of in the middle of the site, and we'll talk a little bit about the external. Very bottom of the picture is where the exterior building for the bathrooms you built, and we'll talk a little bit why that how that got in the site it is right now.

And then you see the building. So let me go to next. So, again, this is truly hard on the eye, but in general, like what I talked about in the on the left is the 1st Floor, and the 2nd Floor is on the right. 1st Floor, this part in the if you walked in the building, this is the part that you where you normally enter the building or how we enter it now. That would be the office space for the park service.

Again, it has the two offices. It has a conference room. It has a break room. It has employee bathrooms. And then as you go further along the hall, lots of hept rooms as is, layout of the room so that we anticipate there being exhibit space. So, again, they'll it it will be your typical museum where it's all open. It'll you'll be walking into these rooms as you walked into them as if they were a dorm. So I think that's kind of cool. And then the front space, which, again, kind of was the congregation area for the church, will be kind of the, you know, big area. Maybe they'll do a program there.

Maybe that's just where they greet people. And then that becomes that double doors to the left becomes the main entrance into the building from the public. And, again, the second story we talked about, we'll have a live in caretaker apartment. It's a little one bedroom kind of the first part of it, and then the rest of it, again, we're just gonna make you know, redo the floors, repaint, check the windows, all that, and just kinda leave it as is to just for future use. I'll pause just that.

I'm gonna go to preservation. So any questions about the design so far? Okay. Here's my favorite quote. Best way to preserve a building is to occupy.

We we we keep saying this to everyone we talk to because if you've gone by the building, it is it is decaying. It is you can tell it needs paint. You know? And and so we are we we're very cognizant of that, and we are really trying to get get us some momentum so we can finish this building. So let me just let me just talk a little bit about some of the preservation There you go.

So, again, part of MullenHeller's services agreement was to engage an architectural historian. Her name was Jane Aaron to perform the research and to provide preservation and to work with us to get this building. Our ultimate goal is to get it registered with the National Register of Historic Places. So all the work she was doing was in support of that to try and get all the information that we needed for that. She did a lot of work.

I know she worked with historical society and the archives getting information. She talked to a woman that lived in the dorm when she was starting her career. And so she had a lot. She talked to the lab and Doctor. Bradbury. So did a lot of really, really great work. That's what I attached to the agenda packet was that post preservation plan or evaluation and preservation plan. Really great information. One of things I'll call out is on page 33. It talks about the character defining features of the building.

So what, you know, what what are you looking at that kind of, you know, defines the historic nature of it. So it's a really great work. So that was submitted to the state historic preservation officer office back in 2022. And we were super excited that in November, they reached back out to us and said that they concur with what we said and that, yes, it's definitely eligible for a national registry, under, criteria b in the areas in the areas of military, women's history, and architecture. And I think what's super exciting is that part of their letter back to us telling us that we were allergy, which really just that, you know, it's also useful to note that this building may be a rare survivor because most military installations have to demolish their wood buildings from World War two.

So they came and visited, and they were so excited. And so it just makes and we all think it's this unique jewel, and it really, really is. It's much more unique than I think I imagined. So so we submitted the 30% drawings the state. And with those drawings, our architect showed two different options for the entrance, the new public entrance, including the ADA ramp, and also two different options for the exterior building design style.

And so really got a lot of great feedback from them. We did a tour back in the 2023, and that is when they came in May is when they were telling us that they were trying to preserve the view of the building where we were gonna have the exterior bathrooms. And so they really wanted us to use it. We'll do some renderings just in there. Actually, why don't you we should go to the next page.

Okay. So this is a rendering. So so we did move the exterior building to kind of the front of the lot on their recommendation because they really felt like the view they they wanted to maintain the view, historic view from the from the other side. And then they did give us, you know, kind of recommendations on the style of the outbuilding. I think it's really cool because it also provides some covered space for the programs or people picnic lunch or it's a really nice little gathering space.

These are the these are the renderings currently. You'll note you can go to the next one. So, again, this shows the main entrance with an ADA ramp. So so you'll kinda walk down the sidewalk from the parking lot to to this this part of the building. You'll notice just I'll do that.

I can kinda see there's a that's that's where we had to put the mechanicals. So they used to be in a little building attached to the or are they're attached to the building, but we they need to be ex external to the building now. And so we've had some discussions with some of the neighbors worrying about noise and such, but we've really we've beefed up the wall, made it fire, and made it stone and not

Well Masonry instead of wood. So

and and also selected some we paid a little bit of a premium for quieter equipment. So so we're hoping that's gonna be good for those residents. One more. Again, just looking at that exterior building. Kind of a cool

yeah. And

we're all gathering spaces. I think it just all really it's really nice. So so with all that being said, you know, what are our where what are our next steps? Where are we and where So we are set to go to planning and zoning March 12 to present our site plan. Now we a little bit of a preview on how they may react to our site plan back in the summer.

And so we have worked really hard. That's when we found out with the residents worried about the mechanicals. We also had a little bit of a very short discussion about the exterior building. So we are we're working hard to to prepare for that, and we anticipate being successful in getting that site plan approved in March. With that, that's really what we're waiting on to to give the go ahead to the architect to get to the 60% design documents, which we owe to the SHPO, and then the 90% design documents, again, which we'll submit to the SHPO.

And, really, just we hope by summer that we're out to bid and have someone, you know, begin construction, you know, kind of fall in the near time frame. And it's about a year of construction. So so super exciting. We're getting to the end, but there's still a few more little things to do. But with that, I, you know, stand for questions.

We are we are here really seeking your support to continue in the process we're going or any and, you know, let us know of any concerns that you have. We would like to be able to, address them or try to address it before we go to 2020. With that, I'd stand for any questions. And I have I'm sorry. Bare to introduce Russell Noronjo and Anthony Strain, our project managers are really doing the heavy lifting of this. So anything super technical? I'll turn to them.

Yeah. Let's have the let's have the history.

Alright. Well, I have a

couple of things, but I'm happy to

Still processing. I like what

I heard. Thank you, Linda. Sure. Sure. Background says I was around in those years, so it's nice to have the history.

Good. Patrick, this is I'm in the

same boat. Processing. This is a nice presentation.

So I'm a little further along on the processing probably because I participated in some of those online, conversations.

I'm pleased with what

There were a lot of ideas. Us out. So you had a big job ahead of you. I like that you.

And I think that that's if I may, we didn't get to have that conversation by the end of the meeting, but the direction it possibly was going was, you know, kind of personal preferences maybe of don't like this style or don't like this, whatever. And so we really will build it. We that, you know, we we've been really working hand in hand with our historic preservation officers and, you know, and the historic architects. So really trying to do what is right for that for the building and make it, you know, and make it user you know, that that people are gonna be in there working and. So it's gotta be, you know, a nice building and keep it climate controlled and all that.

Fantastic.

Alright. So I'm gonna ask some questions.

Okay. Sure.

And I'm gonna start us up because you already, like, you already called me out. Oh, yeah. Here it comes. But okay. So first of all, I'm gonna say kudos.

I think that a great deal of work has gone into this, and I think there's a lot of backstory and a lot of conversations that have gone on. And I think, one, this building stands on its own, that I feel like it's been for whatever reason, oh, it was there. Maybe it started. I think that that illustration that during the what might be beneficial if we were to turn this into the National Park Service that somehow it was that window that whack dorm got thrown into it, and then all of a sudden, this spiraled. And I sort of feel like there's an it sort of feels like there may have been an effort to put a round pole into a square peg.

Well, it was a whack dorm, so by golly, we've gotta do this. We should have said call. This is one of the last remaining Manhattan Project era buildings in The United States. A time and thank you for having your conversation with Jonathan Creel. He and I discussed too, and he and I are both on the same page. Earning point in history for the entire planet took place right here. And so I think who was there is less important than the fact that you have an incredibly important historic building, which is absolutely worthy of being preserved because most of them, as you said, were torn down. They're gone.

They're, you

know, junk building. And this one may have survived strictly because it was outside of the window of where other things were happening. So to its benefit, that happened. So I think right there. I think that that we do wanna make sure we have the historic record lined up correctly and what we're and if we wanna talk about wax inside the building, great. Wanna talk about women? Fantastic. Wanna talk about dormitory and the and the built vernacular of the era? Fantastic. But what we're going to present this and how we move it forward, especially when it comes to a SHPO, which is actually through the historic preservation division, our state historic preservation officer.

It's a weird tweak that we have here in the state. My my time is because it's on record. We wanna make sure that we have it right going into that. And I think, two, when I went and read the nomination, it goes through when it does a great job of talking about the important project, important to women. And then it gets to this point like, well,

there really isn't any fact that says it. But

And I'm like, we're we're guilding the lily here. They all just say that it wasn't or it was. If you have hard facts and it was, great. If you have it that it wasn't, which there are, and it says that there aren't, there is excellent evidence there that says that it was not. And I think one of the thing that perplexes me from a historic standpoint is that it does a disservice to the wax.

And I think wax are an overlooked part of American history. I did a had the privilege of doing a project with them that I'd actually forgotten. One of my students did videos, and they're like, nobody remembers us. And I think to talk to say this was a WAC norm suggests that the WACs, who are service personnel lived in barracks and just say, look at this nice gig. It's really small, but this is great. It's like, no. They weren't living there. They served our nation during wartime just like their male counterparts, and it kinda delivers an erroneous message. Whereas there were are good evidence that there was a WAC who served, who came back as a civilian and lived in this. Like, it's pretty nice.

That's an important story to tell. So I applaud you on this. I I think if I had any recommendation from an advisory board that let's make sure that the facts inside of this nomination are correct. Just because and that means going back to your contractor and being like, you may wanna do another little trip out and get it correct because nomination documents are things that serve as the foundational pieces as my colleagues won't. Oh, yeah. We all go back to them when we wanna look at a building's point. And so this should not slow this process or derail this process. It's just that we want I would say, from my perspective, we want that record correct.

Can I can I just have to clarify

a question?

Sure. Would it be, like, a addendum to the nomination with current information of what we know? Is that

I would I would feel

I I mean, I don't question this

is an evaluation, not a nomination. Is there

a nomination in process that I see. So so my impression is that this was what we attached when we were well, I don't know. Understanding is this

is an evaluation saying if Correct. Eligible for listing in the National Register. And the SHPO said, yes. It is. There's still a nomination registration process that's separate from this. So it may be that in that effort, if you want to get the plaque on the building that says it's listed in the National Register, that those errors are corrected. The in my opinion, the evaluation doesn't need to be changed unless you're using this material for interpretation. And then you're gonna wanna make sure that it's edited.

Right. And I think that we need that for park service. Yeah. You know? That's terrible. Storytelling in there. Yeah. But that's thank you. I that's a great suggestion to us, and we'll take that to our Yeah.

So I just you know? A lot of places do not go the further step and get things listed. Things are eligible. They treat them as listed, and it goes there. I just I don't know what the county's intention is with that. Is it to get it listed or just

It is to get it listed.

And so that's a separate document than this. Very similar. Use a lot of the same material. But it's actually a form that you have to fill out and drop all this material in. So Okay. Yeah. I think just correcting the naming there so you don't have to get do anything to this. This stands as a

good document. I wouldn't I don't think a correction needs to be made. But Well, no. I appreciate that clarification.

Thank you, Kira. I think that and and I I was gonna ask who? Who was your HPD reviewer? Who came down? Because I couldn't really read significantly.

It's, well, Steven Moffson, did you find the letter?

That was Steven. Uh-huh. Okay. Well and I guess I

will come back.

Steven's the kind of person that will probably do if it actually goes up for full inclusion, they'll go deeper on this one other than like, yeah. This looks good. You should go forward.

So And then in December when we we got another letter from you guys as well. Okay.

I think if we can write you an episode, it is that really clean document. And I know that so we've kicked off a lot of things, and I think it was actually Jonathan Creel. He was there to be like, hey. Wait a minute. Can we do this? Let's have a look see, shall we? And then I was like, wait a minute. You know? So blame it. I'm glad you went back to Jonathan because I I think Manhattan Project Dornford It's great.

I That

is Yeah.

Saw it.

I like it a lot. Well and it's so funny because, you know, I knew I was coming, and I I've had coffee with Jonathan. So finally, texted him. Like, I need to know what to say. Because these are historic people, and I don't wanna be tripping over

That old. Gee whiz. All I know is this. Know which one.

So So I said he's like

Over fifty years.

Like, choose this. I'm like, okay. And then I went to the park service website, and they actually are still they're calling it civilian women on their website, which is interesting. Again, I don't so but, anyway, it's just been super interesting to me because I'm I was real like, it's a whack. I'm just gonna keep calling whack door, but then I'm like, no. I guess I'm Yeah.

It gets stuck, though.

Yeah. Mean, less stuck. I'm

just Okay. Stuck.

And if anything, I think there's an opportunity here that we can unstick things by actually engaging the conversation about meeting. Yes. Because I think, you know, I had a conversation earlier today that was, wait. When? How? Why? What? And I'm like, I don't know. So I did a I this afternoon, I'm finding out, alright. Let me find some information out about where it was we went to where some of these pieces.

And indeed, you know, the due diligence has been done in the fact that we have this. It's it is important. So I think there's I guess that would be my my Perfect. My request that as you go forward and even when they get to that point where the nomination is there, let's work with our historical society. I I imagine to say, here here before we send this off to go to the federal level, if we have a chance to review it just so that we'd be like, oh, let's make sure we do it correctly.

And I'll I'll qualify this. My former position is director of New Mexico historic sites and the fact that we all drive by the Coronado Historic site where Coronado was never there, and that has created a legacy of issues that we don't wanna kick the can down the road so that eighty years from now, people are being like, why in the world are they calling at this? So Perfect. We'll do everything we can up front to do it right. If anything, that's what we should do in Los Alamos County, serve as a standard for others.

Thank you.

But beyond that, I I I applaud this effort. I I realize there's a lot of layers. There might be could we use it for other things? But from the historical standpoint of which that is our charge to support county and the things that it's doing, I'm comfortable with this process. Let's support this project.

Coming up on the agenda. It's for preservation month.

I encourage you to this might be a

good time. It's in May. It was the sort of preservation month. It might be a good time to do something publicly, you know, get some information out about Okay. Like, two months. Okay. Thank you. Yeah. We will.

I might even take another step forward knowing that you'll have a year of working at this. Preservation month be great. Maybe tours, public things that we would love to be like, this is a great thing. But, also, do consider the fact that every year, historic preservation done press historic preservation division does preservation awards.

Yes.

And I think keeping that on your radar once it's done, why our flag that we are protecting Manhattan Project era history with dynamic ways with

I actually got on their website trying to figure out how to She's out. She's late. But she does forward. So Not for this year. Obviously. Looking forward. Okay. So that exact thing. I even printed all the awards just to get it trick. Think what they're looking for because I do think this is worthy of a kind of award.

One of

the things they look for is interaction, engagement with the public. And you've done so much of that. You need to get Yeah.

Yeah. It's been And, you

know, making revisions based on input, not just taking it and saying we did it, but actually engagement of process. And so that's yeah.

You're on mute.

No. I think this is a fantastic project that we've added to the community. I think this is great.

Thank you to all of you for the

work you've

done on this and for your accommodation and saying, oh, we're gonna get it right rather than

No problem.

So we are asking for you to take formal action if you feel like you want to so we can tell the council. Do you wanna work that so you can support? But but, again, that is

Do we have a recommendation for how the wording would be beneficial?

The last page

of the agenda?

On the

last page of the agenda?

Yes. Last

paragraph of the last page.

At the very, very, very end Yeah. Of the agenda.

Yeah. At the staff report. Okay. Once

Oh, here we go.

A few minutes.

Delicious support for continuation of this project with the next steps, including green pipeline of planning and zoning commissions, submitting detailed drawings for final valuation by SHPO, and completing construction of bid documents.

And, Gregory, are you making a motion?

I am. I

move. Do we have a second?

Second. Second.

Thank you, Liz. Do we have any discussion? All in favor?

Aye. Got it.

I have a question. Oh,

we actually have a motion, so we'll take a step back. Would you like a amendment? No.

So just just to mention, I am here, of course, as the vice chair for the historic preservation advisory board, but I am in don't know if that's any sort of relevance in.

I don't believe it should, but if you would like to for voting, I don't think it'll change anything on this.

Just step back.

Alright. You wanna

can accuse yourself in the vote because of the even the slightest hint.

It just be unconscious. Perceptions.

So we have three three in favor and one abstention based upon prevention and even the hint of conflict. That passes.

Well, thank you, guys. I appreciate that.

Congratulations on all the hard work. Really nice. Congratulations on

the hard work. Thank you. Thank you all. Yeah.

I just like talking about

the project. Don't know.

It's it's fun wearing. It's good. Yeah.

It should. It's gonna enrich the fabric. Work.

Yeah. Save some hair. So Well the same?

We get very excited when we come to look at the building. So I know there's something special about it.

Yeah. I do think if

I've been inside that building or not? You would know if you've been. I don't think I've been inside. I've been outside the sun. You you would know. I

think we have our field trip ahead of us.

So Let me know. It's not Yeah.

I would love to see it. Yeah. Let's see it.

And check them out. You gotta if you see them in in Oppenheimer movies, you gotta see the room. Oh, is that the room? I see. I mean It's all part of it. Oh, agreed.

Plan plan a field trip. Yes. Well, yeah, I'm always up to go again.

Thank you all for your time.

Thank you. Thank you. Alright. So moving on to our next agenda item, the discussion of historic preservation month. Liz.

So we have brainstormed a lot of different things, and I'll I have reached out to a few people to encourage them to participate in historic preservation month. So I have talked with the county, Ellen Belton, who's I don't know what her official title is. Marketing. Development and tourism. And she's also on the historic preservation advisory board. No. No. No. No. No. Not yet. She's on the tourist Manhattan Project National Historic Park.

Park board. Can

use Mapper.

Sorry. No. Mapper.

Mapper.

So she kind of has these dual roles. She she was talking about the county might possibly promote some of their trails and their maps in May for historic preservation month, and the mapper will also do something. They'll participate, so I'm in conversation with them. I'm meeting with Todd tomorrow morning to talk historical society, and I wanna mention historic preservation month as well. But, you know, I'm looking for people to participate in whatever way they would like to participate.

So for this board, how do we want what do we want our participation to be? I think, is the question. We talked about having a booth at their is there a craft fair in May? Think that was a good idea. I'm just trying to think what was our universe of ideas that we had. I think one was manning a public space during Right? So I'm not sure when the When the farmer's market? Farmer's markets are, but there's the farmer's markets or there is in May. I believe it might be the second

in May

at a craft fair. So if we wanted to do something then, you know, we could set up a table. We could work with Manhattan Project National Historic Park and the historical society to maybe set up a little something outside the Romero Cabin that would not interfere with the craft fair.

Mhmm.

Because they take The yeah. They take, really, the lawn of Fuller Lodge, but we could set up close to that where we could set up by Fuller Lodge kind of off the grounds, off the field possibly if we talk to we'd have to talk to them

I could ask the Fuller Lodge.

Well, the Art Center, I'm sure, has rented the whole

Probably. So have reserved it.

But I don't think they would be opposed to us having a presence as long as it doesn't interfere with their the only problem with that is that I probably will not be here that day.

That's my big what schedule what day. Because I would I believe

you should have asked her when that was I'm looking right now. Believe it's May 10. It's the Spring Arts and Crafts Fair.

Might be around.

I will be here, and I could participate. Another option another thing I think would be beneficial is if I'd like to hear in the staff report how the survey property surveys is going or where that stands, but it's also an opportunity for us to even put write an article for The Daily Post. Something about the importance of historic preservation or why are we doing a survey of properties? Why is that thing we're working on as the preservation advisory board? And submitting that to The Daily Post for Historic Preservation Month, I think would be we don't I know a lot of boards write up and send to the daily post every month.

And we don't we've not done that. But I think May is an opportunity to update people on what this board is to

Okay.

So I I guess from a standpoint, knowing our charge and and this has often been one of those what we do is we create walking tours. We do these things. We're an advisory board, and our responsibility is to provide advice to counsel. With that, with in charge, there is an advocacy element. It says in how we go about employing that. So there is kind of the gray area you might be of what we should be doing that certainly could fit this. So I'm certainly not opposed to doing this. If we can figure out a way to participate, participate, I'm maybe we spend we have another meeting before then.

And we can We could

I mean, we're advocates for

Absolutely.

Preservation. So I think in our you know, something written about that would be helpful because people do wonder what this rates. Maybe clarifying that would be

So if if we were to have, say, a booth or or a table at the fair, do we have materials to hand out that will explain what we're

I haven't seen it.

There were some things from years back, but I don't know. Perhaps, Jane, if you would have somebody sleuth around and to find out if those things are there, and maybe we could do an update. Post. I think I think the fact that we I would encourage us when we're there to probably have a conversation prior to exactly what it is that we do here. I think that there is a misnomer because we are a little different than many. You're not an enforcement board Sure. Of which so many communities have enforcement boards level activities where they say, no. You cannot do x, y, and z. They also can say you cannot do x, y, and z. We provide advice.

So we're there. I think our job is more importantly that we are advocates for preservation and to encourage people to

think about what that means. Mhmm.

And so we could go about revisiting that about how we communicate what we do and why we care about it. And I think that our conversation just now with the Manhattan Project dormitory, get ourselves into that vein, and to talk about to the fact that there are buildings and properties all around Los Alamos County that are eligible now. And what does that mean, and what could you do, and why does it matter? I think these are important parts of our conversation. So maybe if we can figure out what our message will be, simply put, in a way that's easily digestible and to be able to deliver that, I think it's a great idea.

So the communication staff Yes. Could sit with us

and help us craft some Yes.

For a fact sheet?

So we have a public information officer that's Julie Okay. She can help with press releases if you're interested in sending out if you want to write it and send it as a press release. If I would have to check with her and see, if she needs to review it if you were to just submit an article to BoomTown or to The Daily Post. I see that.

The Daily Post would be interested in supporting us in this process.

The reporter. The sound level reporter. What? So she can certainly help with that and make sure that everything is accurate according to whatever we'd wanna put out officially from the county. But, yeah, that would be Williams Health. And, also, there's that graphic design element in the PIO office to where if we needed a brochure, we could get that done. I'm sure that Leslie, who's been here for twenty something years, her memory goes way, way back. She'll know if there were brochures before. So I'll reach out to them.

Okay. And

they could assist with branding of some kind so that we're following the county's design guide parameters?

Yeah. And probably some some rules of writing. But, also, Julie Williams Hill and the PIO office is how the proclamation would get done. If you were to want one, they'll schedule it, get it on Legistar. That would occur in April so that it could be in advance of May. That would be the second county council.

Yes. That's the other question. Do you need one proclamation?

Up to you.

We can discuss the pros and cons. I'm not sure what the negatives would be.

I was

gonna say, what are the negatives? I think one of and I don't know approximated. Think maybe it was to include the property owners of the tub row in some fashion. Maybe a statement thanking those who That would be nice. Who have helped to start preservation in our county, including those people who own those properties and are maintaining them.

And are maintaining them at their own expense. Right? So Yeah. Somehow yeah, making the proclamation inclusive so it's not just the county patting itself on the back. Right. But the historical society who's working really hard to raise enough money for the Oppenheimer House, you know, and all those properties on back to a row. Agreed.

And arguably, mapper Manhattan Project, Manhattan Park was spending an enormous amount of Yes. Dollars on preserving ones that aren't necessarily accessible, but how do we create it? I like that. So

do you wanna talk to them about, proclamation?

Yeah. I wouldn't wanna leave it all to Julie to write, but I could take a stab at it and send drafts to you, to disperse or whatever ideas you have. Patrick.

Circulate them accordingly. You

can all send me ideas. I did do some research to try and find out what other cities have done in proclamations. There's really nothing out there.

We'll cut. Discoveries are made. That's Las Alamore.

Out. Off the word out.

That's

right. And so you've got some some good ideas that are specific and local relevant.

Yeah. I think the thank yous, the appreciation, and the value. We value your efforts, and we appreciate Yeah. Not just the county patting itself on the back, but Right. The community is doing a good job.

So in terms of action, do we wanna try and see if we can get something together before our March meeting? Not to discuss it necessarily at the March meeting because I think that this could go back and forth. Liz, I'll work with you on this one. We could sort of circulate it without creating a rolling forum, but have a small committee on this one that could Yeah. Piece and parts together, and

we could figure out what we wanna say.

That way, we could have something to say, alright. Here's where we are now, That and gives us March to April so that we can make sure they have it in advance of May.

Sounds good. The

last thing is we discussed at one time having our meeting advisory and then doing a little tour of Baker House. I do think the Baker House is gonna come in front of us at some point, and I would really like you guys to see it before. Kind of like with this dorm, I wish you could have seen it so you know what they're trying to preserve and what they're talking about. I think the Baker House is similar. Right? We wanna have an idea of what that is before they come to us because otherwise, you're just going by their photos, which

Okay.

Well, I'm in favor of this. I think we got bumped because of weather.

Yeah. We got

It was snow, and we

Right. The whole meeting was canceled.

Do we wanna try and do this for next

month? They

have They've been And we had talked about May to make it part of historic preservation month, but that would also mean that the tour would be open to Right. I don't know. They're having the meeting at his lower lodge. We could do the sorry.

We could just you could hold your meeting at Fuller Lodge, or you could do the meeting here and walk over in March just as part of your meeting. And then you'd be able to decide if you wanted to do something again for May. Public works handles reservations of of these two facilities, and I just have to reach out with whenever you want.

I would certainly not be opposed. I think having one where there's a tour where we could see if we wanted to present this and include it in May as a wearable program, what might that look like? It gives us a chance to sort of go through and say, hey. What if we need

Yeah.

So, Jane, do you mind reaching out to

Yeah.

Public works too if we

can set that up? I would think having having a brief meeting there, generally walking over would be nice. Like, knowing that's the the Have

it be recorded, our actual meeting. And then the part that's not really a meeting to our legal office would be the tour of Baker House that wasn't Okay. Would be not discussing any business, not Okay. Have any part of the meeting where we weren't on the record. Okay. Understood.

Alright. Fantastic. Alright. Then the next thing, thank

you for moving through one and two beautifully. Yeah.

Alright. Discussing HPAB's role in the undertaking survey and research activities.

Okay. It

We can get you, Jane. Sometimes. I've

put this on here so that you can sort of understand a little bit of what you've been talking about before of what is the role of the board. And and this is sort of feeding into the RFP question, and we haven't really gotten started on the RFP. So we also when I have talked to Anne, and Anne might be able to fill me in a little bit more since he's mostly been talking to Anne. It's it's a county owned project master plan. County county owned properties, cultural properties, and facilities master plan.

We've been sort of fleshing out the RFP, but you were discussing it in that meeting that we had. It's been months now. It hasn't really advanced much since then. So we need to come together, I guess, for for that purpose. And I think it would be interesting to know what do you think might be outliers from the county owned properties, since this master plan and Laurent is asking us to focus on county owned properties. Is there a lot of properties that are falling outside of that? That's see a map to know. I can't

I don't know county properties enough.

I don't either. So

she wants you to focus on county properties Mhmm. Not just everything in the county. Oh, everything in the county, not just county.

No. That's specifically county owned properties. Mhmm. And again, go through the process of doing an historic inventory. And then also with that, coupling that with sort of upkeep and maintenance and where we wanna go with them, sort of like what we done with the store.

We we have identified you know, that one happened to be in in private hands, but there are other, you know, historic structures throughout the county that we might want to target and create some sort of a plan to to maintain, upgrade, or get those sort of into the historic either the historic park or within the historic walking tours, those kinds of things. So it kinda ties into community development tours and some of those other pieces. We're actually going through the budget cycle right now, and then we can put maybe a 100,000, maybe a little bit more to kick that process off. So we'll actually have a line item in the budget. We will be able to get that kicked off here hopefully in the next few months.

You we gotta get the budget season that we will hopefully have that fund those funds to get that project off the ground. Jane's already started working on the RFP for that, and we just need to sort of narrow the scope and make sure that we've got it aligned with what Andrew Laurent is looking for, what we can kinda pay for and forward. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. So we thought that that would be a really good starting point to to, you know, to start building some of the rapport with community of what this board does and be able to take a small bite and start making some progress on some

of these overall. So So we received a line item last year to get this started.

So we basically just So that that actually just ends up being on hold.

Okay. I

mean, there are properties that the county does not own, though, that I think are important to have on list to me.

Yeah. I'm not sure. Do we have most of those captured in lists? We have so many documents, all these various documents, and they will also be putting those together in, like, the front pages sort of a survey of all of that.

That's the problem is we don't have a survey that's recent and we have old surveys. That's why we don't have a good, I think, list of countywide historic properties, not just county owned, but county what is in the county that is historic? What should we be looking at? We don't really we have some identified. We have old lists.

I've seen

Yeah.

Some really old lists. Yeah. Are those sufficient?

I don't know. I think this is the point of doing the surveys to figure out and then to identify what should be included in here. Certainly and I guess yeah. I think we wanna make sure we're following the correct process and what it is that's going to encompass in the scope of work. I think that's what you're looking for if I'm writing it down. It's like, how do we create something like this? So what assistance can we provide knowing that we can't make this decision here? Do you want support from some of us to come and assist you in helping give some framework around that without creating a portal?

I guess that could be helpful so that I have some sort of feedback from you to bring to Amarin manager.

And the other thing,

just by by calling it the county owned properties master plan, because it's going to focus on upkeep over probably the next ten year period. It does help to narrow it a little bit so that we can attach that cost and maintenance part to it. If that's something entirely separate, then the need for survey that maybe needs to be a separate item. And if you know and certainly, it's part of your charge to bring those properties that you might be aware of or cultural resources or or elements that need to go into a a historic district or something that's not been captured, that that would be feedback that

To me, those are two different things.

Yeah. They're two they're two

different things. There's what do we have in this county? Mhmm.

Yeah. They're enroll and then things. And so

county upkeep their own properties. Those are two very different.

I think you're focusing

focus in I mean, they can't be rolled into the same document. It's too broad for for any RFP. So that's why we maybe need to do two different things. That might be the feedback that I'd be asking since we're looking at county Ultra officially.

How many acres Does that make sense? They own? How many acres is within the What is the county's land base? I don't even know.

I don't have it memorized. It's pretty small. Yeah. I mean I feel like it's small. Mhmm.

It's just what's plexus? Yeah. I I wouldn't know off the top of my head. I mean, it's big. It's lots. I mean, there's hotels, Guananiza, and all of

the ballrooms, and then there's some white Ice rink and

yeah. Maybe ice rink. We

There's some Conoco Hill. Whatever that is.

One of the things that Jade and I have talked about a lot that it seems like there's only a couple you know, depending on what framework and sort of what scope you wanna look at, there's yeah, maybe only two or three houses or something like, you know, actual physical structures. But if we start looking at a bigger picture and outside of just the Manhattan era, we have all kinds of cultural and, you know, sort of Absolutely. You know, if we start looking at free flow below and, you know, there's just a lot more out there that we could be looking at that would potentially be inventoried in something like this on county land. Maybe. Is so that's one of the things that Jade and I have talked about is we want to expand this beyond just, you know, the Manhattan era project and start looking at the homestead homesteaders period, some of the indigenous populations, and some of those other cultural resources.

Yeah. So I think they're, like we're gonna actually find some pretty big drift.

Yeah.

It it's not just the things around for a while. Right. Absolutely. And so we think that's why it's a nice place to start. And then it sort of flexes that muscle a little bit of, hey. We're doing this. We're looking at our stuff. That makes sense. Some momentum built around it. Then they get you know, and if we wanna do something larger and start going down to private property owners, which always gets a little bit dicey, and then have those conversations after we, you know, we sort of inventory to our house.

And now I guess that there's some clarity going on. But I think there's absolutely a need for that, but what we're looking for right now is knowing that what county owned properties. But I do think it sends a message as you're saying. If we're let's take care of use take care of our own house even though it's not actually a house Right. Or maybe a dorm.

But but if we take care of that is to say, if we start identifying places. I'm recognizing being a Barranca Mesa kid, that there are big chunks of Barranca Mesa that are now eligible, and there are county owned properties on there. Ball fields, the soccer fields, the water tower. There are a lot of things that are now historically eligible to say, we're gonna identify these as historically eligible and significant resources. That sends a message to people who might be living next door to say, hey.

Wait a minute. The swimming pool, which is not county owned, that's private. It's one of the swimming pools. But you might say, well, these are actually historic, and they are contributing. Maybe we should be thinking about what that means, and that can give us a a hook into underscoring the significance. So I guess with that, how can we help provide that support for kind of defining what the scope of this work would be?

Well, I I think it's the commissioners wanna work for you, the chair, and send their ideas to you. That would be, you know, sort of, you know, kind of a clearinghouse, and then we can pass those along to Jane. Here are the things that we might like to do. Otherwise, Jane just gets inundated with everybody emailing Jane. It's very hard not to that.

The ideas. Yeah.

If that could all flow through the chair, some of those ideas, and then we can start to sort of build out an outline. Okay. We'd like to look at this in these areas and these resources. You know, these you know, sort of sort of laying out those different areas that we might want to look at or these different sort of periods that we might want to look at. Then we can start kinda building that framework out in into a scope of work, you know, ultimately go into the RFP, whatever you solicit for this yeah. It's just sort of That's very assisting.

Okay. So what I'm comfortable with this ish, but what I would like to do is work through the county attorney to make sure that I've got the right process. I don't mind being a clearinghouse, but I also don't wanna have us end up in a, rolling quorum. At the same time, I wanna have input from different each one of different members of the committee where I can relay what what kind of things we're doing. And that way, they can tell us and then we can feed that back. So there's a line without having a group conversation at

one time. Definitely. And my my thought was just that those initial risks would flow through you, and then the rest of them will come from staff. Okay. You know, just if, you know, if Liz has a couple of ideas on things that she'd like us to look at and then everybody has, you know, the different pieces that they might look at. I think that we just get you know, it's just a. Right? Hey. I'm Baraka Mesa. These are the areas that account you know, please look at Baraka Mesa and you can actually come. We'd like to, you know, just, you know, within the developed areas or, no, let's go down onto Baraka So you know, some of those kinds of things. I think we just need to sort of start that to and where. Okay. I think that would be the initial question. Okay. Do that.

As as I I guess we met tonight. It did do I mean, we always says, is this something we could do? Yeah. That sounds like a cool idea. But we also didn't want it to be like, is there something going on? Which there really wasn't. Oh, because we didn't ever go anywhere with it. Other than that, it's sort of like, what how is this gonna percolate? So as long as we can get the input some way to provide those things, maybe I can have the request that come out and be like, maybe a request is if you have some ideas of what it might be, please feed that back to the chair. I can assemble it and go forward. That way everybody has the ability to to input without a rolling form.

And then that allows us to build out the scope of work, and then we can do Right. Yeah. We can do a little bit of fact that, you know, if we do all of the county owned property, it's gonna be huge. We can't afford it. But if we can sort of you know, some of those areas around trails or, you know, things that we already know and we're looking forward interacting with with the different historic elements, then we can build that out. We can target a lot to just make sure in front of those areas. Okay.

And then once the draft is farther along, once we've got a good grasp of what we want and have gotten some feedback from the county manager's office, we'll bring that back for an open discussion. We can add or remove or whatever your thoughts are.

So this is a working process in advance of bringing something to the committee where they can review it and then

we'll Right. There's nothing really to review yet.

Yeah. And this also has something that we can work with as we interact with senior management and kind of, you know, get what they feel we can bite off and just need to okay.

I think it's really important to get started on it because I know there are other people working right now on an art and culture plan where they're going to be doing art and culture and working on trying to get the county to come up with a master plan for art and culture. And this is really important part of that culture part. Okay. And I if we don't get started, they're gonna go ahead with that plan, and we're gonna be left behind. So we need to get moving on it so that it can be included when that comes along.

I Who's working on that?

This is New Mexico Main Street Main Street. So

The county's involved.

But the county's involved. So I think let's just make sure that we're not each, like, running down the road, which might be near each other. Yeah. So as we're doing that, we should probably

It should I would think when I'm listening to what you're saying is, oh, you wanna look at the properties. Well, that's what they're doing. So I feel like we had a different idea, but now it sounds like you wanna do what Main Street wants to do. So why are we supposed to do

I think there are some overlaps, but I don't think that they're they're not same because we're talking about what in the county. I mean, I think in the county I mean, I brought up water towers, but those are built environment things that actually have to whereas this but I don't but I think they're probably not exclusive each other. So as long as we're aware of what each are doing, that that way whatever we end up with can have them dovetail.

Right. Because whatever we end up with, they can use.

But if we don't have it

ready It you're you're very heard, and I I will tell you just this little bit that I've been seeing in the development director position. I'm just acting right now. It's not my day job. It's just my current job. Can tell you the director.

We are going to start getting some of that stuff done. So it's a third that, you when you say, hey. We we appropriated that last year and have done it. It is on our radar, and it is one of the big directions that Ann has given us that we need to sell something started now. Yep. We have to keep it in now that we can do that, and we're going to.

As it's PLG, does the county have access to the state's digital on the

historic property list? Like, do you

guys know what is registered with the state and what's not? True. Reach out.

Yeah. You may?

Okay. Because in looking, I can't tell if that's what this list is made up from or not in the territory, federal, and state designated historic sites. And I believe those were

Four. They've done

It wasn't done at that time. That says 2018, but that was

just when that report the handbook that was assembled by our previous chair. Yeah. Together a bunch of documents calling it the handbook. And

So it's in there. And oh, wait. Here's an HPD list here. Okay. So those

no. And so these are all our assorted many documents.

Is that what That's it. Okay. Right.

So

So so those are

Yeah. So And so part of what was in our first draft RFP was to review all of this, update it. Okay. Look at its condition, and bring it up to date. Okay. Alright. That's your plan.

I don't think this requires an action thing, but I think that we are comfortable with this process. As long as we make sure it filters, I will reach out independently. And just as a reminder, when we when Jane sends one out, reply only to Jane, not to all, because then we create a ruling forum.

That that's just silly.

And if you want to have anything on the agenda for the next time or any agenda when you have ideas for agenda items, I have to publish the agenda. Once it's published, it's official and can't be changed. So send your ideas to Patrick because I'm harassing him for the first for about two weeks prior to the agenda being published.

I know it's coming because all of a sudden change starts. No. We're doing stuff.

Yeah. Here are some ideas.

Do you

wanna do this? And so he'll be the official person to let me know what to put on it. And I'll have the things from our meeting that we've talked about tonight that I'll summarize and put the minutes and and propose for the next agenda.

Then we are gonna put those up. She's she is ready, raring to go. Alright.

Can we quickly go back to one real quick?

Sure. The

preservation month. I can't remember. Did we decide if we were gonna suggest nominating any or encourage anyone to get nominated for an award? We went to Baker House, and I I forgot my note. My my thought is that we do that right now. Okay. Wait until either office is further along or what part? Manhattan Project Dormitory. Is further along.

Okay.

But I I I think that's something to consider in the future. Right? Agreed. Agreed. Okay. Maybe that's I just want that's fine.

Yeah. Think

it's a little tight for time if we were gonna do that. And so I

We wanna go for something that we we know when we put it in that we're gonna be grumpy if we don't win it.

Exactly. I'm completely in for it. Okay. Thank you.

And we also said that trails someone's doing something for trails for for the month.

I haven't talked to Peak, but I can do that.

Just curious about what that entail.

I'd love something to do with drills. Yeah. Cool. Yeah.

Well, we're good with that. We'll move on to the next informational items. I spent some time doing a deep dive onto the background of where Manhattan Project dormitory and

where did

that come from? Which was an excellent question that came in. Who started calling it the Me. Black dorm? It was it was your fault? I Liz. I'm glad to hear the fix it.

I I take responsibility. Yeah. I became well, I was the executive director of the historical society. I became director, like, a month later, the WAC dorm the dorm came up. The dorm came up, and, basically, the board told me, here's a letter. You need to go present it to the county council, and I did. I, in that meeting, called it a wet dorm, and it kinda just stuck. And I think I have been trying to get rid of that ever since. I mean, every time I do Leadership Los Alamos, I say, and what's this building called? No.

No. Vouch for that. She did do that. So I I did. Jumped in when somebody was there?

When it said in the foundation document, that's what they call it. So Mark's been calling it that. It's been getting too

for a long time, but I feel responsible.

I appreciate your coming clean with us and doing your part. You're forgiven. That's it, which is good. So thank you, Linda. But, there are certainly a lot of moving pieces, and it's exciting to to keep stuff going. So

we're on your end.

Okay. Well, we've had a lot of discussion already, so that's pretty much. I have a question from Liz, and I thought that I would just bring it up on the Ashley Pond's shade structures. And so I looked through the agendas going back to 2022. I only see one presentation, and that, was from, I believe it was August I have it. 09/06/2023.

Yeah. Andy Parker.

Yes. And she is still the project manager. I have a printout of the presentation. They're just not done with it yet. They did decide to go with metal on the of rights. I don't know if they're going to clad that in wood, but they will be putting stone on the lower portions. The bottom three feet will have stone. They expect that to start in April, be done by May. So it's just incomplete. So you can tell. I guess that's the comment is that they're incomplete. Yeah. So

Because it's my my concern is that when people come and they present something and we say, great idea. And then they build it and you go, wait. I feel like we've given our approval of something, but then the project changes. And we're on record for approving it, but it's not what it not what they said to us, and it's not what they presented to us, really. So, I talked with Steve Laurent about it. You were at that meeting in September because I watched the

video Okay.

To see what exactly she said because I thought maybe I misunderstood what she said. So I went back and watched the video, and I don't think I misunderstood. I mean, I think she says multiple times in there Compliment. They want they well, you know, I just hope that when people come, they're really taking what we say.

You know? I

I spoke with Ward Styron this morning with SMT. It's our senior management team meeting. Jane and I talked about this. Jane brought it to my attention. I talked with Lori about it. We just need to use it periodically so we can bring these back to our boards because that's an important part of you know, sort of just like you said. You know? You bring it, and it just goes into this black hole. We wanna make sure that we're reporting back on the work that's happening and where the progress is. So it's her when we try to do a better job of that.

I appreciate that. And I know things change. Okay? I know projects can change. Like Right. I understand that. But when she was when Linda was talking today, I was like, okay. Here's this. We're gonna say yes to it, and then who knows? Yeah.

And we talk completely too. Like, every and that's another one at hands your one at hands things that we need to be talking between departments and making sure that we're following up on these things. And the one in the storm is gonna be the same. You know, we're gonna you know, as that project moves forward, check-in. Here's what we're doing. Here's where we're at, and we hope to get you all out there as

well. You know? That kind of thing.

And admittedly, we have not been very good at that in the last.

Well and and I thank you. And I think coinciding with this one thing we don't wanna run into is something is the plans that were brought to us were once approved by HPD. And if we deviate from those and they put something in, we we jeopardize our relationship with HPD, and we could and your CLG. There's a lot of things that could come out of this because suddenly tickets. It is a dance, and it's a dance that we do not want to get that reputation with the state that somehow we're like, oh, yeah. You told us we're gonna do this. So we're basically like, what did you just do?

So Yeah. There's a risk.

And it's a risk that we don't wanna incur. We wanna be Los Alamos County always does it right. I think that's something we should strive for at all levels. So

Board's motto. I

thank you for following up. And when they do the update, if they're in process, that's good to know. Okay.

Well, that's all I have for staff report. Was following up with that, had our discussion about the RFP.

We

haven't had anything lately going to PNC to report on. The next meeting will include the Manhattan era dormitory. The dorm. The Manhattan Project dorm. It's the dorm. The dorm. In March.

Manhattan Project dorm. I like this because suddenly it's putting it in a context in place, which is kind of nice. Thank you for that. And do we have a do we know we have a council liaison yet?

I believe so.

Can I get give me a minute? I'll let you know who it is. I don't remember off the top

of your list. That it's packet to what day

of flu. So let me pull it up. Okay.

That would be great. We were I was sort of excited to see who was going to be joining us because

I think it's I think it's counselor Meeger. But what what That's what

I've heard, but I didn't receive an official email. So Okay. Dan sees something else. He'll let you know. But that's what I've heard.

So we will wait for that to come in. Has anybody, attended any other meetings from that we liaison that would like to

I had a I reached out for a report from the art team because They had some issues at their meeting, and I don't think they had technical issues like this computer and stuff, and

I don't think that's it. Not yet. Loretta Loretta didn't fill me in on anything.

I'm gonna attend the Parks Board next week. Great. Myself and then probably attend them online, but I wanna go in person.

Just as a side

Oh, somebody has a question on me.

And I will finish up. And as a side note on that, we the the Oh, you're over here.

Can I Hi?

Are you on new? How's our Hello.

Oh, fantastic. Can hear me? More. Yes. Hear you, sir.

Oh, okay. So, yeah, I'm, I'm the new council liaison, and I have, little just looking forward to learning what's going on, especially about the dormitory project, but also others. So, this should be very interesting.

Fantastic. Well, certainly pleased to have you on board. And if we wanna get together to to talk about the things that we're heading toward, happy to do that. So

Yeah. Yeah. No. I'm very interested in the in in in your whole agenda. Yeah.

Sounds good. And anything you wanted to bring to us from council standpoint? Or

Well, not yet. Not yet, but we'll talk about that a little bit more with dormitory project. There's a lot of interest in it, and then have probably get into it in some depth later on.

Fantastic. Well, thank you so much, and welcome again. So pleased to have you join us. And Sure.

Sure. I was listening online. Yep.

Great. Great. I didn't even see that someone came in, so that's good. We we have actually the public in there, which is exciting. Perfect. And I will say just as a sidebar, you mentioned homesteaders that the Bradbury Science Museum is part of our middle part of our environmental protection and compliance exhibit. We will be doing a whole segment on homesteading property that will be opening sometime in the not too distant future. LAU or something. Exciting time. So we'll let everybody know so you can come and join us for our behind the scenes on. Yes. We be good. Alright. Followed comment. Does anybody do we have any comment from our, well, two guests that have joined us today?

I

don't see any hands.

Thank you for joining us.

Yeah. We're it's always nice to have somebody

come and

participate in historic preservation. Alright. Well, hearing no public comment from that side, our next meeting, we are discussing locating it at doing it at Fuller Lodge and doing a

tour of Baker Baker Baker House. Baker House. Although, obviously,

it's close to dinner time. Great. Do do we have any future agenda items we would like to add to our agenda that that we're aware of right now?

I just wanna talk about the staple. Oh, staples. And the Manhattan Project. Building that they kind of found out there and would like to know more from the county about that.

Okay. Well, I spoke briefly with our county manager, and she said that it sounds like a valuable artifact of a time and that maybe it would be better relocated if you wanted to think about that and bring a recommendation to management about, you know, should it be relocated to our historic district, or would the art in public places be interested in taking custody? And, anyway, those are just random ideas, but she didn't think that it could become something located at the stables.

Yeah. We're not sure if it's a structure. It's more of a part of that. Right. Yeah.

So My concern was when this was found out, why didn't someone bring it to our attention?

That would be a question for Corey Styron. He he did

I'm not saying it should be saved. I'm not saying any of that. I don't know enough. But I feel like we should have at least come to It brought to our attention. Well,

we didn't know about it.

The only reason it was brought to my attention is because I just heard about it, and I and I personally investigated it. But I feel like

So so that would be a perfect opportunity to let staff know those things because we don't always know that they are out there. But if you can channel that, you know So

I did. I sent her the report that I found that I read, and I was hoping it would be distributed to this board so everyone here could read what was written about it. Because I feel like whether it's what they do with it, who knows? But it should at least be brought to our attention. This was found. We think has some connection to history. I'm not suggesting that it needs to be saved. I went and actually walked in it.

So I I I thought it was really interesting, Jay. But think

it should at least be brought to our attention.

Sure. Yeah. So from that standpoint, I mean, that's a that's a great I'm glad that you brought that to Jay's attention. She actually showed me we we had some conversations around it. And that would be something, you know, hey. I found this out there. That would be a great thing. You know, channel through the chair. The chair can let staff know, hey. We'd like to add this as an agenda item that, you know, that depending on when we get that information before the meeting, that would give us a little bit of time to say, We need to figure this out with some research. We'll put it on in a month where, hey. We already you know, this is something that we've learned about or we already knew or we hadn't, you something that we can put those onto the agendas for discussion.

That's what I'm asking. Okay. Agenda.

And if if it's okay, let's plan on putting it on the agenda for next next meeting so we'll have it on there, and then we can whatever we can find out about it, we can get an update.

Okay. Were you copied on that email, I believe?

Yeah. But I didn't send it. It's good to know that we have a process because now let's just figure out the process. Yeah.

And then we can was

a good conversation.

This is really cool, but we don't need to do anything, or this is really cool. Is there somewhere where we can put this? Or

I'm not Yeah.

Yeah. Our our is like

seen it. She can't

us more.

We can't save every yeah. So That's not what I mean.

But it's a good conversation to have.

The article as written had so much research, and it has way more than we as a county knew about.

Let's put it on the let's put it on since it wasn't on this one, but we know we'll have it on for for next month.

So you guys can read it because it's interesting.

Absolutely. It's good stuff. Interesting.

Nobody said in the post?

No. It was just some research Jerry Strickfaden did. You

can read it. Why don't

why don't I ask, could we circulate that out with a blank copy to everybody so we all have it in?