Environmental Services Division - Regular Meeting

Alright. We'll go ahead and get started with today's meeting for the 12/18/2025 environmental sustainability board meeting, and we can take roll call. So we'll start with Eric.

Here.

Say your name.

Eric Marshall.

Okay. Shannon Blair. Sue Barnes.

David Hampton.

Alright. Cool. And we are missing Joseph Chandler, but hopefully he will come a little late. Alright. We'll move on to item number two, which is public comments. And just a reminder that this section of the agenda is reserved for comments from the public on items that are not otherwise included in this agenda. Do we have any comments in chamber? It does not seem like it. Is there buddy anybody online that would like to make public comment?

And there's no one online to make public comment. Alright.

We'll move on to item number three, which is approval of today's agenda, for the December 18 meeting. You have a motion to approve? Alright. Should we any changes, I guess, that need to be made? Alright. Anyone wanna approve?

I move that we approve tonight's agenda as presented.

I second that.

Alright. All in favor? Alright. Today's agenda approved. So we'll move on to approval of minutes from our last meeting, which was 11/20/2025. Were there any updates or changes that needed to be made? No. I didn't notice anything.

Oh. Alright.

Anyone move to approve our minutes from last meeting?

I move that we approve the November minutes.

Second. I'll second. Alright. All those in favor? Alright. Last month's minutes approved. Alright. We can move on to board business. So we will start with the presentation of the draft fleet conversion plan and community wide EV charging plan.

K. Good evening, chair and members of the board. So tonight with us, we have Analie Castillo, who is our our project manager, and Josh Schacht. I'm sorry. I probably butcher your name every time I say it, so I my apologies.

But as you've met the team before, we are in the final hurdle of gathering input on the draft plans. So we have two plans just for just to jog your memory. We have the fleet conversion plan that looks at converting our fleet to EVs and then the community wide charging plan looking up the power needs, the financial estimates, greenhouse gas estimates, and then also locations for future EV chargers. So, Josh, would you like to share your screen, or do you want me to share mine?

I'd love to. I just sent a request.

Okay. Perfect. So go ahead. I'll hand it over to Annalie.

Thank you so much, board and board members chair and board members. We're really excited to be at this stage of the proposal, and we're we have quite a few of additional slides. So we're gonna kinda not necessarily, like, skip and make some of the things that you guys already seen a little bit more brief, and we're gonna focus on some, like, things that are new from the last one that we that we presented. So in the next page, overall purpose of the project, we're gonna go over in detail, with the, the two projects, and then we'll have some time for questions. So, in general, you guys remember, like, the idea was to prepare these two initiatives to support, and being aligned with the goals set us forward by Los Alamos climate action plan, which in general, we wanna make sure that this help reduce emissions, set the pre community priorities through engagement, and identified how we can reach some of those targets.

In the next slide, specifically for the county fleet, as you remember, we set up last time we left it as we have done, everything in terms of, like, the background, and we had two specific strategies that we were gonna look into it. Today, we're gonna focus on the presentation of those two scenarios, and we're gonna be looking at the financial, the greenhouse gas assessment, and overall, additional components of the plan. And to very briefly, the idea was to have a classification that was based in how the county utilizes their vehicles. So we assigned the transition score that is also aligned with market index in addition to continue the natural retirement of vehicles for the county's policy. And based on that, in the next slide, we came up with, well, first, sorry, two a few specific assumptions.

First, the total fleet count is about 229 vehicles. From that, analyzing their type of service, the, market assessment, and we identified 33 vehicles that are considered specialized that would likely have an exemption in the transition. That's about 14% of the fleet, and that's things like firefighting vehicles, bomb response, very specialized type of services that they provide. And based on that transition score approach that that we described in some of the past presentations, today, we have two specific scenarios that we formulated. In the next slide, we look at the EV policy scenario, which is, if the county continues with their poll the policy right now, which is two new EVs every year, that would get them to about 31% of EVs by 2050.

And if we were to implement what we call a cap policy based on the climate action plan, which aims for maximum, conversions to emissions, to have potentially carbon neutrality by 2050, That achieves about eighty six percent of the fleet by 2050 due to those exemptions that we mentioned. And this is a bit of how the year by year composition will change. And then, again, this fleet procurement is based on the natural retirement of the vehicles, as we set forward analysis through the county practice. So on the right, you can see, sorry. Reaching to that, 86%, is really, more aggressive in terms of the number of vehicles of EVs that have to be procured.

And in the next slide, the analysis also focused on how many vehicle how many chargers and when they're gonna be required. So right now, you see in this table and the report will have more details about, the phasing approach, which is basically identifying priority locations to start the conversion and approach that through three phases. Some of these main locations are gonna have, up to three, phases of implementation, and that help us also create in a, schedule for the capital improvements that are needed year by year for the infrastructure side per perspective. And then the next slide. The financial evaluation in here was done based on a total cost of ownership, and we're comparing against, we call it an ICE only or, internal combustion engine only, which is the base case if if the county was not gonna procure any more EVs.

Though that is not a realistic case, it was used for a basis of comparison. Then we have the EV policy and the cap policy. Now the cost of ownership consider everything from vehicle procurement, the cost of using these vehicles, right, how many miles they use right now on their fleet. That was assumed to continue with the electric vehicles. We have projections on the vehicle maintenance costs, facility modifications costs, the charging equipment itself, and we also accounted for inflation throughout, the implementation period.

Now this total cost of ownership comparison is the cumulative of between now and twenty fifty. So it accounts for you know, we're still gonna be using a lot of, like, internal combustion engines between now and then. So you're still gonna see, you know, fuel use in not as much in terms of, you know, if everything happens in just one year. It's, like, accounting for that year by year transition. And as you can see in here, the cap policy is about 25% more expensive than the EV policy.

That is due because we're obviously procuring more electric vehicles that are more expensive from a fleet acquisition perspective. We also need to set up, more infrastructure so the infrastructure cost is higher. And at this point, the fleet maintenance savings hasn't materialized as much because, again, we're still gonna be utilizing quite a bit of the ICE vehicles throughout the conversion period. And in the next slide, we have a greenhouse gas analysis. So, obviously, here is where we see the the counterpart.

Right? While the cap policy is more expensive, it also helps them to realize higher savings, from a greenhouse, gas equivalent. You can see in the top right, the ICE policy, and this is what's important to have as a baseline. The EV policy scenario accumulates about 9% of emission savings between now and 2050 compared to the ICE scenario. Now starting from 2050 going moving forward, if that is percentage is maintained, we will continue to have 18% savings in year by year compared to the ICE scenario or the base case scenario.

With the cap policy, that accumulative saving is three times higher. So we can save up to 30% emissions compared to the baseline between now and 2050. That's about 12,000 metric tons of c o two. And once we reach, you know, that 86% conversion year by year, the county will be saving about 76% emissions every year compared to the baseline. So, obviously, the the cap scenario has a quite of a higher accumulation of savings and environmental benefits from that perspective.

Now this greenhouse gas, analysis accounts for, the county grid having about 50% solar contributions from this fixed, Foxtel flats starting in 2027. And it also assuming that the carbon neutrality has reached, reaching its goal by having, in twenty fifth sorry, 2040, having a carbon neutral grid mix. So this scenario is really aimed to maximize that cleaner grid that is already in plans for the county. And the next slide. Just to put a bit into perspective, 12,000, metric tons of c o two, which is what we will save during the transition times, is about equivalent of 1,400,000 gallons of gasoline that will be consumed.

Now this is just to put a number into perspective. That's also an equivalent of a 106 1,600 houses energy used for a whole year. So it doesn't mean that we're eliminating that many gallons. It just means that that's the equivalent of how much gasoline use is, equivalent to 12,000 metric tons. And then the next slide, very importantly for the county, we're also considering the power projections, how much more power is needed at the site level.

So every single site had a projection of the added capacity. In this case, we're also accounting for charges that are gonna be useful, for the public. So the the one in yellow is additional chargers that are put throughout county locations, and and Josh will explain a little bit more about that. Here is also accounting for all all the county fleet vehicles, atomic transit power, as well as the if the public schools were to transition to electric, how much would that be? So in the next slide, we had additional components from this plan also included the workforce development, safety considerations for the transition, and additional analysis for funding opportunities to help close that gap.

In in close, some of the takeaways is that, the EV policy is, you know, continuing to do two electric vehicles a year, would only create a purse a small percentage of the fleet to convert. That is still has about 10% greenhouse gas reductions overall during the transition times, but it only reached about 31% of the fleet. In in contrast, the cap policy has the higher greenhouse gas potential reductions, but it's also about 25% more expensive compared to the capital. So it's really important from takeaways that we identify ways to close that gap from the financial perspective as well as finding sustainable ways to do the transition from an economic perspective. And with that, I'll pass it to Josh to talk about accounting.

Yeah. Thank you, Annalene, and thank you, chair Blair and board members. Just to reiterate, you know, you've heard about the second half of the project before as well. So just like Annally said, we're gonna speed through some of the parts that you've already heard, but, in order to share some of the updates. But if you do have any questions about those base assumptions, please just feel free to jump in and stop me, and we can answer any of those.

So, first and foremost, we wanted to start with an overview of what we are actually looking for in an ideal charging network. And something that is, important about this slide and, that I wanna address from some of the comments we've received previously is a question about whether or not economics and cost are included in this analysis. And the answer to that question is yes. They are included. The reason that cost and economics aren't included on this slide is that when we're looking at suitability, we first look at these three conditions, demand, suitability, and equity.

And then when it comes to actual site recommendations and business model recommendations, that's where cost comes in. Also wanted to show you, a quick summary of some of the feedback that we received during the community engagement period. Again, there were two opportunities here. One was the early in person and virtual meeting in May, and then there was also a virtual, digital survey that went out. And so you see here some of the results of that with recommended locations from the community on the map on the left, as well as responses to just one of the questions that was included about what types of charging are most helpful.

And two that I'll call your attention to, because you may not be able to read them so small, is the first one, which says at home in a private garage, driveway, or parking space I own. It's listed as very helpful. And another one I'll call out is at shopping, dining, and entertainment destinations that is a bit polarizing and and has large responses on both ends of the spectrum. So I wanna talk a bit about how we actually model this site suitability. You'll see here a few examples of some of the datasets that we used.

The top one is any kind of, floodplains, high risk flood areas, as well as waterways. We also have some exempt federal land, where it wouldn't make sense to put county owned chargers and private residences where, as we're talking about, again, publicly accessible county owned chargers, these private single family homes aren't places where they would go. So these are just some examples about how we filter out areas to get to, the sites that we actually recommend. And when we look at all the datasets that we take to actually recommend sites that do work, this is sort of the process where we work with the county to weight those different datasets, in different ways depending on the scenario we're looking at, and the output from that is what we use to help inform these recommendations. And here on the left, you've got a few examples of the datasets that were used, things like, what kind of zoning it is, single family, multifamily, commercial zoning, as well as, where parking lots are, where recreational land is, and where the downtown cores are.

And these are the datasets that we are adjusting and waiting in different ways to address these four scenarios. Scenarios being home charging, county owned, publicly accessible charging, privately owned, publicly accessible charging, and, the fast charging scenario. And so what we'll talk about here are the results. We've we've gone over some of the process previously, and what we have now is some specific site recommendations as well as quantities at those locations and the associated power demand that those locations would require. So the first scenario here is at home charging.

This is, taking a bunch of data about where people live and where people are parking their electric vehicles at night in order to charge. And importantly, I wanna call out that we have this data broadly across the entire county as well as locally to each of the feeders. And so here, you're seeing under high, medium, and low adoption scenarios what each feeder can anticipate seeing, as well as when you stack all those feeders up, what the total demand on the county is going to look like. And this kinda gets back to one of the graphs that Emily showed earlier, and we'll get a a bit more into that total power demand later. The second scenario is county owned, publicly accessible, charge level two charging.

And so we have our locations and our recommended quantities here. And, again, the addition here from last time is that we have those those quantities, and so we can anticipate the power demand across this whole system. Something that I'll call out is that through this process, we just wrapped up the public comment period on the draft plan, and something that we're really hearing is a priority for more chargers in certain locations or potentially moving some of the existing locations to other locations, especially in the White Rock area, and potentially in some of the residential areas. So just wanna call out that, we this slide is based on that initial analysis and the suitability model, and we're in the process right now of incorporating those comments to make sure that, they are all addressed. The third scenario here is shared level two charging that's privately owned.

And by privately owned, we simply mean not owned by the county. That's why we see some of the schools on there, medical center, Holiday Inn Express, or the co op, etcetera. And similarly, we've got, proposed quantities at these locations in the, related power demand. Then finally, the corridor fast charging. Again, right now, we have these two level three chargers, fast chargers at Smith's Marketplace in Los Alamos.

I'll also call out that earlier on scenario two, we had some fast chargers identified at the Justice Center. That's in a different slide because those were that's a county owned location. But I'll call out again here that we are considering some additional or some swapped locations based on the community feedback around White Rock and some of the other areas. And this slide is where we compile all of those power demands across all of the feeders from home charging, from proposed county owned charging, etcetera, as well as what Annalie presented on the power demand of the fleet facilities at across all of those feeders. And so under these high, medium, and low EV adoption scenarios, you can see how these quantities change.

And this is also drawing in on the Burns and Mcdonald study that the county commissioned earlier. And so in summary, we've got a few kind of high level recommendations in addition to the more specific location recommendations. These are to prioritize some of the high demand county sites, make sure that it's a a tiered model, that includes both level two as well as DC fast chargers, ensure that it's equitable and ADA accessible across all the locations, and that we streamline all of the permitting and internal coordination as much as possible, especially as we we look at collaboration with DPU to make sure that, all this power demand, is considered. We also have some recommendations included in the draft plan, about private partnership and essentially making sure that we engage those highly suitable private sites. We believe that these maps that were developed as suitability models are great assets to, private landowners who are maybe weighing whether or not there's a market for them to deploy chargers.

And so we hope that those assets can be used to kinda make the the business case for those opportunities. And there's also several state and federal funding opportunities included in that plan. And then finally, some, home and residential charging recommendations, include, expanding the charging access in multifamily housing, especially from an equity lens and showing that those who don't have garages, can still charge easily, and supporting shared and community charging where that home charging is limited. And finally, just to make sure that the community is educated on the incentives that exist, the charging points that exist, and exactly what this project entails and and does not entail. And, again, we just finished up the public comment period, and so we are working hard to process all of those comments, working with the county to integrate them into what will be the final plan, and then we'll come back and present that final plan in the new year.

And with that, I think we can welcome any questions that you may have.

Alright. Awesome. Thank you both. Does anyone have questions? Okay. Go ahead, David.

Miss Castillo, if we don't implement the cap policy, when will we reach the 86% conversion? I mean, it sounds like a long time in the future. But

Yeah. You know, I don't think we look into that scenario in terms of, like, if there was you you meaning if we keep with just the two vehicles? Sorry.

Yeah. Yeah.

I don't think we look into that that scenario. So would it will be kinda hard to tell just with the the two vehicle policy.

Okay. Okay. Thank you.

Anyone else have questions? Go ahead, Eric.

So with federal and state incentives in terms of being able to get charging infrastructure and funding for that. Are there anything are there any of those that will, you know, sunset soon in terms of us not being able to utilize? Like, is there a defined time frame for any of those? I just figured with active policy changing, you know, I don't know if it's something we need to kinda go right out of the gate to kind of attack. Granted, it's gonna be some time until we actually implement this, but I just wasn't sure if any of those state or federal incentives that exist currently exist are gonna be disappearing in the future or or get less fortuitous in the future.

So so chair and board members, I think, yeah, during the matrix that we evaluated, we try to update some of that at the federal level. I think, the county specifically just in the normal funding resources, they you guys tend to rely more on, like, state funding, but at the end, it's also kinda trickled down. So for example, one of the major federal fundings that have been used, across different communities has been the NEVI funding, right, to utilize that to have charging infrastructure across specific corridors that have been done. So I do think that specific funding, not necessarily has been eliminated, but it definitely slowed down to be commissioned in in the specific states. So that'd be one of the major ones in terms of, you know, utilizing federal funding for charging infrastructure.

But under that specific NEVY program, like, there was only a few locations that might have qualified based on the community that that are, you know, county owned or that will be used to incentivize the a public charging infrastructure. Now I think that in addition to that, some of the metrics that were if you know, identify as potential funding sources is hopefully gonna come more down from, like, state level. But I think for now, maybe the major one that was critical was the the NEVI program. From other funding, the opportunities that the county can use, and specifically, in this case, Atomic Transit is the low no funding that it is competitive for the procurement of electric chargers and electric vehicles. That funding this year at least was the same and even higher amounts that were awarded for for that.

I think what changed was the proportion of how many vehicles were not, you know, maybe low just more on the low note rather than the clean like, sorry, the low piece, not the no piece of emissions. But for now, that continues to be an option specifically for the public buses. The so there is a risk, absolutely, but I will say, from the options that we had identified in in that specific section, I think the federal was not the main component. There were a few others that are still gonna be available.

Okay. Thank you. I have one more question. I might have asked this last time, so it might be deja vu. Is there any type of resource shortage when it comes to charging infrastructure? I remember this is like a year or two ago, there was just a huge you just couldn't get the certain pieces of equipment that were mission critical to get charging infrastructure. I wasn't sure if that has been unlogjammed in the in the market. I suspect it has, but just wanted to check and see if that's a a factor or not.

Yeah. Yeah. Chair and board. I think one of the main things that has, and I don't know if there's somebody from the public that is I can speak to that, but I think one of the major ones, Nationwide, was the, lead time for transformer upgrades. That was back then.

You know, I think before it was maybe if you have, like, nine, ten months, then it jumped to eighteen months waiting time for some of the major transformers. I do believe that has shortened down a little bit. But in terms of our planning, we accounted for at least twelve to eighteen months lead time in terms of planning and implementation. So that's why it's kinda critical for us to know how many vehicles and when so that the county can proactively apply for some of these things ahead of time and avoid some of those bottlenecks for sure. So I would say it hasn't gone away, but we definitely try to account for it the best possible into the planning perspective.

Okay. Thank you. Much appreciated.

Alright. I I just have one question. Josh, can you pull up the slide that you had? I'm not sure which one it was, but it had, like, the different public places that the county owns that had the charging locations, the ideal ones, I guess?

Yes. And let me to the county owned?

Yeah. So let's I think it was that one. We can try that. And then if it's not, we can pull keep going through the PDF.

K. Tell me if I'm sharing the right thing here.

Yes. Okay. Yeah. So I just had a question. So do you know why the Overlook Sports Complex isn't included in White Rock? Maybe it didn't just didn't have a high enough score. I don't know.

Yeah. And thank you, chair Blair and and board members. That's an excellent question. That is an area that during the last public comment, event that we were actually in the county for, that's something that appeared at the top of the list in terms of, additional asks. It is an area that, that scores pretty well.

It was lower on this model's analysis than, say, the the welcome center and the fire department. An important part of this process is not only relying on the model, but also relying on, the knowledge and the feedback of the community. And so I think that bolsters the comments that we've already received that would prioritize that whole area. I know we talked about that with the county staff as well about a Super Bowl location given the the sports fields that are around the area. And so I think that's certainly on our minds as we transition this from the draft plan to the final plan. And think you're you're in agreement with a lot of your community about that being a high priority area.

Okay. Cool. Thank you. I and this is not a question, more of maybe a comment and maybe more for Angelica. But with the draft, like, turf plan redoing the fields, I feel like that might have been called out as a possibility. Okay. Yeah. So I don't know if you maybe could pull that in as a reference that, like, that was identified as a need in in that study. But okay. Awesome. Thank you, Josh.

Yeah. Anyone

have any other questions? No? All right. Well, Josh and Annalie, thank you so much. We definitely appreciate your work on this.

Thank you. Thank

you, chair and board.

Thank you, chair and presenting to council?

We presented to them. Oh, okay. Last week or the week before?

Weeks.

Sorry.

Yes. And how did that go?

It went well. We got some excellent feedback that, like I mentioned, we're in the process of incorporating. Again, with the end of the public comment period on the draft itself, we've got a a lot of work lot to work with. But I really enjoyed the opportunity to present to council.

Yeah. And and I think they they also brought up some great points about, like, how we can make this more with the equity in mind. And so I feel like having a lot of these questions from the board being engaged into, like, how do we do more and how do we make sure everybody, you know, has has access to it was, like, very positive. And I think overall, their engagement and their response was really, really well received. So we're excited to, present to them again once the final version is completed.

Awesome. Great. Well, thank you both. We we appreciate you joining.

Thank you so much for your time. Have a great afternoon.

Alright. And, Halka, what's the timeline on the final? So the final will be presented in February. Oh, soon. Mhmm. Okay. Well okay. Cool. Alright. So we can move on to the next agenda item, which is our draft 2026 work plan. And, hopefully, everyone sent in their comments. So and, Helga, did you have a what did you how did you wanna do this?

So I'll go through I received comments from two board members, and there let's see if I can see the red lines.

That's weird.

If you go up one more to the simple workout, you can do all.

Oh, thanks.

Yeah.

Thank you. Okay. So well, I think so what I would like to do is try to tee this up as much as we can tonight. Okay. And then you guys can make final comments at our next meeting and then approve it.

And so it's due to counsel by February?

Yeah.

Oh, okay.

January.

Yeah. And okay. So we've got a little time. Cool.

Yeah. So I removed Rebecca. And then just for the board's information, Kala submitted her resignation. She had a conflict on Thursday night, so she won't be with us anymore. So we have two board vacancies. So some things are just more like, I guess, grammar and wordsmithing. So we could take a minute and look at these and see if we're comfortable with them. I like to go through it and then just make final edits.

Okay. Yeah.

So top five activities we worked on this past year. We supported and participated in peak and county Earth Day festivals, collaborated with DPU on electrification and energy efficiency outreach, and participated in the DPU Peak Water Festival. We supported and participated in cleanup ballet day in the high school eco club summit, and then we also hosted many booths and outreach activities. Would you like any changes or anything here?

I think that looks good. K. Wonder if I could do a

good. Alright. That's easy.

Okay. Okay.

And then what are our top five accomplishments for the previous year? So we supported the implementation of the cap and the goal and other sustainability issues through outreach and education activities, receiving reports, and reviewing progress on goals, and providing information to me, county council, and other boards and entities. We also had members that served on the steering committee and contributed to the selection of the cap of the climate action marketing and engagement services. And then we initiated collaboration with the chosen firm. So that's what we're doing, like, right now.

We also had a member serve on the steering committee for the fleet conversion plans, and we routinely received updates. And then we also evaluated the single use plastic bags and presented the findings to counsel on the ESP. Looks good to me. All those are good?

Yeah. I'll go back and just wanna make sure there's no other changes. Oops.

I'm good. Great. Okay. And then the last one is, we reviewed and discussed and provided input on other county issues as they pertain to sustainability, including the artificial turf study, the bicycle working group study, l l a c energy management proposal, and the net zero airport program. Water and energy conservation plan updates, and the green business certification program. So it's just more of an overview of, like, the things that we were able to provide input on this year.

And then so I'm assuming you wrote that.

No. Yeah.

Okay. Is your is your reasoning for not including Lassa just because we don't have a lot of board members who are participating?

And because we haven't done very much.

Yeah. Okay. That's what I figured.

I I I really like would like it called out that we're

The these are the things that we're doing. Yeah. That and

and that we are are providing input on county issues and whatnot, and that wasn't really covered elsewhere.

So Okay. Yeah. I I

thought it was gonna

be better. Okay. K. Cool. Okay.

And then what were our lessons learned from the previous calendar year? So I don't know if we need this part just because that was, like, the previous year, I thought. Mhmm.

Is that related to the the weight food contesting? Oh, okay.

The CAP survey that we got a lot of

I think you and didn't you and Joe work on that?

Mhmm.

Yeah.

Yeah. I

think that's what it's referencing.

Okay.

So just Okay. If you think it's appropriate, we could delete that.

Sure.

But I don't think you need in particular, then you should just say engage the community. Right. Yeah. Because it's not necessarily just surveys. It's like

That's true.

We could say, like, engage the community as broadly and effectively as possible to help ensure that community input is representative of all demographic groups. Yeah. Cool. Mhmm.

Which is really hard to do.

Yeah. Especially when the same people just come to everything. Okay.

To fully understand the financial impacts, account for the true costs, not just the embedded carbon costs, factor in how these costs affect residents and businesses directly. I felt like that was more for the cap because I feel like the fleet conversion study did a really good job of trying to analyze costs.

Yeah. We learned that.

Yeah. We learned that, so we, like, improved that for the those plans. So I'm not sure if we could delete that. I would say delete it.

I wonder if we can if we have a lesson from, like, the bicycle working group presentation that we got or, like, the turf the turf study. Because to me, it's still not really clear what the next steps are with those. Like, we're giving them to council. They got given to the county, but how do we make sure that they're implemented? Like or or rep, like, consulted when we're building new roads, I guess. I don't know if that's.

Yeah. So on transportation board, when we received the bicycle working group study, the next we didn't take any action on it at that meeting, but the following meeting, we asked the county to consider implementing certain recommendations that the bicycle work group made.

Okay.

As an advisory board, there's no way we can yeah. Direct So

Okay. But maybe, like, maybe we as a board and and and transportation board, like and I'm not I'm not saying this as, a knock at anybody, but I could see how that would be forgotten about in, like, five years. And then, you know, we have, like, staff turnover, and so is there a way for us to, like, stay on top of that stuff or, like, regularly ask about it to make sure that it is still being considered? I don't know. And may

I think it's good question. It just doesn't seem to be, like, a lesson learned. So it's, like, more of, like, a concern that we have. Or

Something we can do maybe. Yeah.

But, like, do you have, like, an end or an off road path? Well, like because it's, like, if you're looking from a project perspective, it's almost like a like, a still, like, okay. This is, the milestone date for it. Yeah. But then we're gonna have we're gonna set a cadence of x amount of months. We're gonna check-in on it or keep moving it. Right. But, like, do you, like

Like, I just think

work plan or, like, the outline Yeah. Like, find date on it? Like, on it's gonna be done this date.

This is

what the

end turf is. Either of those had well, there was, like, a ten year let me make that up. I feel like that turf thing had, like, a ten year time period, maybe.

And then even with that, council just accepted it. So was it

like was a study, not a plan.

Yeah. Yeah.

And as was the bicycle working group.

So really, like, getting it to county council in front of county council, if there's no further direction, that's the end point. Like, if they're I mean, right, like, from a working group or whatever it is perspective, like, once you present to county council, they don't have any further follow-up or there's nothing driving it.

Dies it.

Then then it's done. Unless it's like if that's, like, your final presentation. Right? Because there's always gonna be like, hey, counsel. This is what's been going on. But then, like, here's the end state that we found. And then if there's nothing that further drives it, that's the end of it.

And we we kinda got the same feedback with the plastic bag. It was like the recommendation was to put it in the work plan if we wanted to keep moving. So maybe that's the lesson is, like, if bore if a board wants to stay invested and up to date on things, like, they need to include it in their work plan. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah.

But, also, maybe it would be nice to have, like, clarification from counsel on, like Expectations. Like, what are the expectations on x, y, or z? Right?

Like, we did we did

the research what is gonna come of it, and it would be nice if it was like, thank you. We're taking no further action or thank you, Anne. Please do this next.

Yeah.

So the lesson learned is asking for, like,

More direct next steps? Yeah. Okay. Understand. Including that too is, like, you know, counsel will read this and be like, oh, maybe we weren't as clear as we could have been. There's room for improvement.

Right. So

So, like, after county council engagement, determine, is it truly done, or is there next steps? Like, have it very well defined after a county council meeting after you hear back from them? Yeah. Like, have we now met the objective of the work plan? Like, by talking to county council and

Yeah. And their ask.

Yeah. Their ask. And that's where you come and, like, you know, and Helica to go to do a follow-up with them to go, okay. Like, this is what we've deemed. We've deemed we've we've hit the the goal. We've hit the milestone. We've hit the objective. Are we done? Or is there more? Like, I guess. Right? Potentially? I I'm not doing a good job of doing estimation

No.

You what's are. Going on.

But just You are. I'm just trying to put it into words. Like, what is the right words to say that?

What's what's the clear end point of a

A project.

Of a project or something that's on the work plan?

Clear objectives? Or

Yeah. You could say objectives and further action.

Path forward or further what?

I said further action. After

On projects or studies or research?

Yeah. Presented to counsel.

One of the ones we used is, for instance, like so stuff we know that's going to go into counsel, counsel, we found on keyboard that counsel wants us to know whether we endorsed it if if we saw it. So with EV charge charging infrastructure and fleet conversion plan, they'd wanna know if we endorse that, for instance, I think.

Right. And I think well, we've been really good as a board to do that. Like, we requested well, the parks and rec board requested that we seen the artificial turf study, but we had really tried to stay engaged in that process by providing a staff liaison, remember

Mhmm.

To their meetings and hadn't really heard about it.

So Well, that's a good point because I do feel like there's times where we get to the end of, like, something where we get to the end of, like, a study or whatever it is, but we don't actually as a we, like, we present then the alternatives or we present everything and we just we present it to county council, but we don't actually have an internal, like, vote on, like we we we have the two different languages that we present to county council or, like, hey. Yeah. You're gonna approve this or you're not gonna approve it. But we never do, an internal vote from, like, a n three b or sorry. From a see, gotta throw up my work brain.

Or from a ESP. ESP perspective. An ESP perspective, we probably should just we probably do need to have a definitive vote that, like, we do actually prefer one over another. Right? Because I feel like in the past, maybe we haven't. We've like, here's all the information, county council. Like, you make the determination if you wanna go forward or not, but I don't think we've actually have, like, a internal vote to see, like

Do we wanna keep pursuing this?

Yeah. Or or do we are we on board? Do we as a as a ESB, do we have a preferred path and we voted on it and this is then we can tell, like, yeah, we think that we should do organics collection. We all voted on it and that's the path. So we, you know, in in providing you the options, this is the option we prefer. We And maybe we do.

We did do that with the plastic bag, but I think our like, in in my reflection, I think our downfall was that we were not, like we should have been explicit. This is what we need. And I think we kind of danced around that because we wanted it to be a little, like we wanted to give counsel the opportunity to provide, like, their feedback with what they wanted, but I think we should have, like, laid it out exactly. And I don't know I don't know what was done with the compost, like, comparison or the bear carts, but I think We we being as clear as possible is, like, with what we want.

With, like, compost, we did present them the options. We didn't say, like, we are for or against. We just said, here's all the info. If I if I remember right, we just said, here's all the information. Like, and here's your two options to let's go ahead and pursue this or let's not pursue it. But I don't think we ever said, ESP would like to pursue this. We just did the homework and here you go. You make the final call. I could be wrong.

Yeah. I think you're right. I think council initiated the study, so we helped weigh in and do the public interface and all of that. And then the company presented different options. Right? So I think we were just providing feedback on it, but we didn't recommend any specific option

So I like that

for that one.

I like that going forward. When we do have our, like, work objectives that we as a before we present to the county council, we state as a board what is our voted on preferred path forward. Okay. I think that's a good DOT thing to kinda steal.

Yeah. Not DOT, but yes. So many acronyms, Eric.

Should vote, endorse.

Yeah. On the final

Should make recommendation, maybe. Yeah. Yeah.

That's a that is our job to advise Should

happen.

To advise council on sustainability initiatives.

But less presenting and more like this is what we drive, this is what we recommend. I guess I just said that. But like like we actually have a final vote to say this is our preferred path forward. Less passive, more active.

So another funny thing. So if we actually want to do something the council hasn't directed us to do it to do, then putting it in a work plan and enter 2.2, put it there as something we wanna work on. And if the work plan gets approved, it means that we could actually make a recommendation on it. So

Okay.

I think we can expand or just make that a little clearer and say, like, further action on projects presented to counsel for for ESB nope. Sorry. At the end of the sentence. What

do you wanna say?

To to provide ESB better or clearer directions, I guess. But so that would just be one sentence.

Oh, the directions. Okay. You have clear objectives.

I'm just trying I just wanna see yeah. I'm just like, why do we want that, I guess? Because we don't understand what they want us to do sometimes.

Yeah. Just to ensure that we're done or not done.

Yeah. Okay.

Yeah. And and what's the next what's the if we're not done, what's the

Yeah.

What's the next Yeah.

So there's no ambiguity there.

You could say to provide ESB with the path forward.

Or a well defined scope. Yeah.

Cool. Both. Perf beautiful. I

think that's, like, it. What is the scope? Yeah. And what is the timeline? And what is, like, it's kinda like go study this. Okay. And then what? Like Yeah. There's a lot of and then what Yeah. With it? Okay. Cool. Okay. Strive to connect with marginalized groups. We kinda say that with the demographics. But

Mhmm. Yep.

But differently, they're not necessarily marginalized. We're just not getting their voices in the surveys.

You could probably merge the two. Yeah. Just take some of those elements from and I do like having marginalized groups and individuals.

Make them one.

Yeah. Just cop

yeah. There you go.

Because like you said, they are pretty similar, but they didn't really call them out.

Okay. So then I just think Sue had added or Shannon.

I don't know if I had.

One of you were

It wasn't me.

Oh, I added that. I was thinking, wow.

That's a good idea. Staying staying on track, right, with counsel and having more of an interface. So I just thought if you wanted to, could leverage my quarterly updates and we could give an update on, like, sustainability and have that ongoing combo. Yeah. So what's what?

I thought have another one.

K.

And maybe it's, like, the prior years, but, like, stakeholder input. Right? And I'm thinking from like a fed perspective, like with our Oh. Like with The composting. The composting. Right? It's a good idea. One thing I would have done differently is is try to get our prime stakeholders in the area, which is like DOE involved earlier on, especially when it comes to county land use just so we knew some of the hurdles. Is and is, again, like, that's kind of the ones that I I feel like I mean, you're really good about stakeholder engagement, but that's one of those ones that's, like it it's, like, very obvious to me that if, like, could have got it engaged a little bit further as opposed to the tail end, it probably would have been a little bit easier to present truly present all options.

Yeah. Like, have a more like, focus on who your stakeholders are.

Yeah. Yeah. Like, very well defined stakeholders and how much should we actually engage them

Right.

Before even presenting to county council.

Stakeholder management plan.

Yeah. Seriously. Yeah. Yeah. Like, from a project management perspective. Yeah.

Yeah. Like, have it yeah. Because we kind of we engage very broadly with a lot of things on ESP. But even, for example, the green the green Los Alamos program that you all approved last month, it went to council Tuesday night, and they kinda scrutinized the information that, like, we didn't talk to enough business owners now. So that's, like, having a very clear who's your stakeholders, the businesses or Yeah. A nonprofit or you know, so making sure we're engaging with the people that it's actually going to impact. That's, like, a no brainer. But, yeah, you're right.

I'm just like I know.

I'm so disappointed in myself for not identifying the, like, the potentially prime locations and not thinking, like, upstream impact. Like so, like, Bio Canyon, duh, like, where we got to with it. It kinda makes sense. Same for the ego station. I'm like, I upon hindsight, that should have been something that was, like, thought about earlier, and I totally blame myself

for that. It was county property, to be fair. That's that's like, an issue with

That's true.

At all.

So But it's very easy to I mean, as you look holistically, we're we're island. We have San Fe National Forest. We have the county or sorry. We have San Fe National Forest. We have Yeah. Trouble property. We have to be cognizant of the laboratory, like fed property. You know, there's a lot of restrictions when we're doing anything, and it's always like upstream and downstream issues, right, that we're we're seeing. So sorry.

I was just gonna say you could simplify that to, like, check your assumptions. Mhmm.

Should what did you say? Clearly defined target audience? All stakeholders.

All all possible stakeholders. We don't use the word

stakeholder anymore.

Why not? Something about Is it, like, not So, like yeah. Oh, I didn't know that. Oh, no. Oh.

It's it's okay. Yeah.

I remember.

Yeah. We use, like

Outside entities. Community partners. Community partners. We go. I like that.

Yeah. Should clearly define

And when involvement it should occur. Right? Sorry.

Yeah. Community and partners.

Community partner involvement?

Sure.

And when it should occur? Yeah. So we have a PIP. That's your version of, like, a stake community partner involvement plan. So should clearly define community partner involvement and when it should occur. And at what time frame? It's pretty I know what you're meaning, and I can see

Maybe we workshop this Yeah. Movie Eric can reflect on it. K. So I can move on to the next

I need the next section. Decompression time to actually put words and make them into sentences and stuff.

Just need a chat GPT bit. It's not connected to this. Okay. Leverage. Okay. So did you wanna leverage my Yeah.

I think that's a great idea.

Updates to counsel more consistently for counsel led initiatives. I think it could be on anything that you are doing, but, yeah, specifically that. Okay. Cool.

Oops. Sorry. I don't think that's a change. It's just red text. You're so smart.

Okay. Right. Okay. Just close that. List any special projects. So what's our plan for this coming year? Support the food composting program and food waste prevention education. So I think it's really just to keep it, like, on everyone's radar that we're still trying to

Yeah.

Do something with that. Support the climate action plan implementation for year two and ongoing recommendations, including encouraging energy efficiency and electrification retrofits, promoting EV adoption, adopting green building standards, developing a commute trip reduction program, expanding community partnerships, conducting a vulnerability assessment, engaging in public climate education campaign, supporting the local food system.

So on and on. It looks like these are all from the CAP. So And are those all identified as year two or just like

Year one and two or ongoing?

Yeah.

Awesome. I think that that's a good idea to specifically call those out.

Random question for you. Is the county getting the MS four permit applied to them for stormwater sustainability?

I'm not too familiar with what's going on with that.

Okay. The EPA was supposed to send a submit a, like, the final plan approval. I think it just got held up, so I wasn't sure if the county was gonna be part of that or if it's just the laboratory. But that that kind of plays a role in that too. I'm getting way in the weeds, but was just wondering.

K.

I'll put I'll put and.

I don't know, but we could ask. I can ask for you if you're you want more information. Okay. So we're happy with this then?

Yes.

Let me get rid of that sentence.

Yep. That's kinda weird, though.

It's just The formatting. Yeah.

Okay. 213. Receive updates and provide input on CAP education and outreach program. Support activities of this program. Okay. Okay. That's easy. Okay. Love it. K. Yeah. Because we already did. Support the development of the fleet conversion study and community wide EV charging plan, hosting public meetings. Okay. So the question is which of these will continue?

Yeah.

Really? Well, so we'll complete the plan in February and then depending I don't know how much the board will have any input on actual, like, implementation of it. So but maybe you receive updates on the On the implementation? Yeah. Is that okay?

Yeah. K. K. Receive can you just regular updates?

I think annual.

Annual? Or

and as needed. Maybe I don't know. Maybe there'll be stuff that we can help with. K.

At council's discretion, continue to evaluate single use plastic bags. Okay. So it's kinda putting the ball back in their core. Yeah. Okay.

Tell us what to do. Tell

us what

to do.

Put that in the minutes, Jackie. I'm just kidding. Okay. List other projects and or activities. Okay. Wait. You guys okay with everything here? Mhmm.

Yep.

K. There's always time for change. Let's think of something else. These other projects under activities being proposed by this board in priority order. So one of the things we still have budget for, it's a little unclear how we're gonna do it, is to provide the energy audits to residential homes.

Request and receive updates on the county environmental sustainability initiatives as appropriate, integrated pest management, biosolid composting, recycling, yard trimmings, artificial turf, open space management.

Can we add the bike, Dodie? Uh-huh. And, also, we haven't had a update on the pest management plan in a while.

Okay. Let's see if I'm able to type in here

I could. Or anywhere. That's a little Oh.

That would be enough.

The pest management. Yeah. We should maybe. Maybe we can request one.

Bicycle working group, enter the water and energy conservation plan.

I also want updates on the green

Building. Was Green Los Alamos?

Well, yeah. Certification? Yeah.

What we just got.

It's different than later? Mhmm. Okay.

Yeah. It was last meeting.

Can we throw, like, MS four information on there? Because that's super sustainable oriented, and that could be a big deal for the county, like, cost wise k. K. They're getting on that permit. And we already talked about storm water sustainability. So that's my own nerdy ask just because it's super interesting. Because

you love storm water?

Well, now it's the chain. We're, like, we redefined environmental sustainability board. We can,

like Yeah.

Scope is so much more broad and more fun than it was just back in the good old days of waste.

Well, storm water is part of

the cap.

It is. But it was more

All impact development.

Yeah.

Green storm water infrastructure. Do you remember when you did that whole presentation about rain were they rain gardens in New Zealand?

Or Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. That would be cool. So what's going on with two point two point one?

We need to address it.

Yeah. That was basically covered above.

Okay.

So So

we'll just delete it out there. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Cool. I wasn't sure if it was

If it's appropriate to not have it here and to have it in the previous section. So all this two point one point two kinda covers all of that.

But the next section is priority order. Oh, but it says list other projects. Okay. I agree.

So being the the previous section was things given to us by counsel, and I assume counsel or the department director wants us to work on the

Yeah.

Yeah. Slack CAPTIAL implementation.

I agree, Sue.

Okay. Yeah.

So that's why I took it out.

Okay. Cool.

Sorry. That's okay. Everyone.

So different.

Where did it go? You deleted it. Yeah. That's fine.

Okay.

Two point two point four, provide relevant cap overview and highlight actions that are relevant to the board such as BPU, t board, parks and rec, planning and zoning, and health council. So I think that was, like, an initial thought that we had when the cap had been approved. Like, how do we share the cap with other groups? We haven't done that from a board perspective, but one thing we could do is share it like at a b and c luncheon and all the board like chairs and, you know, are there so that we can just see it's it exists and, like, how we're working towards it. Because I think that was the goal to just let them know that these are gonna take, like, the entire organization to help move forward.

I think that's a great idea. And I I do think we've done a good job of highlighting, like, at the luncheon specifically. Like, please take this EV. Yeah. Like, here's what we're doing. But, yeah, we didn't really give an overview.

Provide a cap overview at the BNC luncheon?

Yeah. That is a much more obtainable goal than going to everyone's meetings. Yeah. But okay.

Well, also very time consuming. Is the BNC luncheon really set up for that? I've only been

They used to have presentations. Yeah. I think I think

we just have to let let them know ahead of time.

And it could be very high level. We could focus on what's at hand now. Like, we could say, here's the cap. It's been approved, but focus on, like, your two things. And it could be really high level, but just to say it exists and take a look, there may be things that

Yeah. And then we could do a more in-depth if requested or something.

Yeah. Sure.

Okay. Yeah. And you get free lunch if you go,

so that's kind

of fun.

It's been pretty good lately.

Oh, yeah. Do they have vegan options for you? Oh, yeah. Nice. That's great.

Good stuff.

Okay. It's

just it's because I it's don't worry about it. I think this computer doesn't have a great version of Word, so it's okay. Anyway, that kind of addresses that without having to go to every board. And then we just had revisit the work plan on a on a it's really like a routine basis so we don't forget

what we're supposed to be doing. But we never do.

No. I think we did last year. Did we? Yeah. I think you were camping.

I could have been away

or maybe I wasn't on the board. K. You do pay attention. I'm just

I'm pretty sure we did. Okay. I know. Where did it go? Here.

Yeah. On a quarterly basis. K. Delete. This is pretty hefty, but so, I mean, that's huge. Okay. Guiding documents. We have our cap, the council strategic leadership plan, and then the water and energy conservation plan. What else?

Do I wanna add the EV plan?

K. Just don't wanna

keeps, like, jumping far ahead. Okay.

Who do we wanna interface with in our PIIPs? I think it's just

I think you should add DOE then if since Eric specifically called it out.

Although at this level, are we allowed to? Yeah. Sorry. Just thinking about it.

Well, are we allowed to be talking to Lantel?

I don't think so.

Do we need to take that off too?

Right. Our level? Probably not.

Yeah. I get what you're seeing at this level. Maybe not.

Yeah. I don't because yeah. It seems too low level from Could

we say can we say encourage council and staff liaisons to interface with LANL, DOT, and DOE?

That's good. I like that. Okay. Just because we're, like, a citizen sensing Yeah. We yeah. Or with no power.

Like Yeah. DOE might freak out if we were like, hey.

Yeah. They don't need to Yeah. From us.

K.

K. Partner with DPU. We do that. Provide liaisons, BPU, PRB, T board.

I think I crossed out health council because I don't think that's super relevant for the time being. Okay. Most people disagree with me.

Collaborate with environmental services to provide education and outreach on waste prevention and management and participation in the municipal food composting program. K. They have an actual zero waste strategy as part of the cap, so I wonder if we should add that just more broadly.

For in 03/2004? Yeah. Okay. Participation in municipal food composting program and implementation of zero waste from CAP. Okay.

Any special events, we always do cleanup LA day. We always do Earth Day for peak and for the county. Do the water festival. Summer concert series is a little difficult depending on what your audience you're hoping to you know, what your goal is, I guess. Farmer's Market has been really nice. Science Festival was a hit. So you can keep those on there. Just leave it broad. Add others if you think.

Bear is Bear Festival a thing?

Yeah. Okay. Bear Festival. Yeah. I don't know really what our role would be there unless it was just outreach.

Yeah. I

don't know. We could collect information on people in White Rock who are now getting beers in their trash. Are they? Yeah. You? No. Not me. That would be scary. People in Pottery Oakers. I I was talking to somebody. I'm like, go get a thing at go get a bear cart at the eco station. And a lot of people didn't know that existed. The bears are expanding their range is my point. We knew it was gonna happen. So Right. Which is why we need radius. So We need a Okay. Them. Okay.

Engage with climate action marketing and engagement team to support community events and activities as proposed. Yeah. K.

Okay.

Okay. Working groups, sustainability alliance, Sue Barnes, and myself.

K. Do you count as a member?

No. Okay.

Oh, Joe Chandler just messaged. I wonder if he's trying to get in. No. Sorry. He says tell everyone hello for him. Hi,

Charlie. His daughter is homesick. Oh, no. Sorry.

K.

Climate action. So the working group will be the climate action marketing and engagement steering committee.

So do you still wanna do that? You bet.

Okay. It's about to get fun

now. Yeah. But we can have up to two other people.

Uh-huh.

Okay. Cool.

Be great.

When do you guys meet?

Is it every two weeks?

It's every two weeks, Wednesday from ten to eleven. Okay.

Yeah. Fleet conversions steering committee. Well, we're about to finish, but we will work on that in February up till February. So Okay. Did you put Susan Barnes, Sue? You do? Yeah. Okay. K.

What's your formal name? It's your given name. Oh. Don't say should write that.

Do you wanna put that?

No. No. Okay.

That sounds pretty cool, though. Okay. Plastic bag working group. We don't have a working that, like, that group sunsetted. Right?

I would say yes. But I don't know. If they tell us to do it, I guess me, Eric, and Joe are doing it.

Continue plastic bag working

group. Do you really

want to? Yeah. TBD. We'll see.

I I mean, I yeah. I would like to figure out what they want us to do. Okay. What the I don't know. I well, I kinda think well, it doesn't matter what I think. But

It does matter.

No. I just think council needs to, like if they if that's a priority for them, then they need to make it a priority, I guess. That's what I Well okay. Well

okay. So that that's that. Attachment a, Jackie. Let me know that.

Hey, Angelica. Uh-huh. Since we're correcting names, mine's with a k, e r I k.

Oh, I didn't know that.

It's pronounced Eric, not Eric. I'm just kidding.

I didn't type that, by the way. So

I think I wrote that.

I'm sorry.

It's doctor Eric Clocha? Just kidding.

Definitely not.

So attachment a is going to be replaced, I'm assuming, with most of these. There might be some changes based off the strategic leadership plan,

but we

can we can look at that Next time. In February in January.

Cool.

So any what I'll do is I'll send this out to you guys one more time and then just final edits. I'll try to wordsmith it if you guys are okay with that, and then I'll send it back out.

When do you need it by?

Before a meeting. I mean, you can bring your edits to the meeting. That's fine.

Okay.

We'll make final edits. Unless there's a ton, then I need more time. Yeah. Okay.

K? Sounds good. Thanks, Angelica.

You're welcome. Thank you. Well, that was fun. It's kinda fun to work through those little details.

I think

it's way more exciting now than it used to be.

Yeah. There's a lot of stuff. Really?

Yeah. Like, we just used to do waste.

It's just so much more fun. Like, we're true

No storm water.

Stability stuff.

Storm water is so cool.

Oh, that's I mean, yeah. I mean, really, should be like the That's

what the fun is.

There. Yeah.

Okay. Alright. We can move on to reports. So I'll go first. So and Helica did kind of allude to this, Kelly did step down, so we have two open spaces and spots now.

So if you know anybody, the application is open. I I would like us to reflect on, like, how we can make sure that we're keeping members, you know, so people aren't leaving. We're getting a lot of turnover, I guess. So I've been thinking about that. We got an email, like, last weekend from a citizen concerned about overflow in bio, I think it was. Yeah. I'm just Canyon.

Where was it? Pueblo.

Pueblo. Thank you. Yeah. Pueblo Canyon. So I don't know if anyone read the response that we got from Clay. Yeah, Clay Moseley. But he said that it was because of the flushable wipes. And I think we had, like, briefly talked about this before, and the citizen made, like, a similar statement or suggestion that there's an opportunity for, like, an education outreach campaign. And I think that that would be something very easy for us to do. We did in our work in our plan work plan that we just went through, we did specifically call out working with DPU. And that seems like a very easy thing that we could do is support some sort of

So we can support Abby. She actually I didn't I looked for the video and I was gonna send it. Maybe I should. But she actually dedicated this whole past summer to the summer of sewer where she was teaching people to not be flushing the wrong thing down the toilet and wipees is like Yeah.

I'm sure that's the top thing.

Yeah. Okay. So we can we can help her with that.

Yeah. I didn't know that. So maybe it's not.

It's a it's an amazing, like, whole display they've made, I don't know if you've seen it or got to yeah. It's really did you see it?

The one

that had a science fest where they had the kids practice.

Yeah. Cool. Okay. That's probably why since I was at

the science was a hit.

Yeah. Well, maybe there's a, like, I don't know, maybe we could participate as a board in the booth and then do a write up on it, like, for the daily post or something and just say, oh, this is what we learned. I don't know.

Yeah. Or how can we more broadly get that message out Yeah. Or something? Because they've done a really great job creating their message. It's just sharing it.

Yeah.

So okay.

That was just one thing.

I Gabby too how we can help with that.

Okay. Cool. And then we had been following the waste audit at the EcoStation. I think we're getting a presentation, but there was also also an article in the daily post about that. So if you are interested, maybe check it out. I can't remember when it was. I think it was, like, around Thanksgiving maybe when it came out. So it's been been a couple weeks. Yeah. Thanks for your work, everybody, this year. That's all I have. So we'll go to board of public utilities. I think Sue went to the list. I did. Okay, cool.

Yeah, so I did attend the December 10 meeting last week, and there was a great deal of interesting things that occurred. Abby Hayward presented gave her presentation on the Green Los Alamos certification for businesses, and the board supported that. The BPU supported that three to one, so to go forward to council. And what was the outcome of that at the council meeting? Did they approve it?

Council also approved it. There was some hesitation. Just being that they thought there was some ambiguity. There was some pushback a little bit about what if tenants can't there's not enough options for tenants to obtain. And I think those were the two big ones. And, oh, what were actual incentives to the businesses for becoming a member, for participating. So they want those fleshed out, like, more probably with as the program goes on. So Okay. Cool. Thank you.

The board also approved a modification to the contract terms for the ECA, which is the power pool agreement with Lantel that governs our power relationship with the lab. And with the shutdown and whatnot, it's been delayed, and so they asked for a 90 extension to the March to get that sorted, and that is going forward to counsel for approval as well. They heard EB draft plan presentations, much as we did this evening, and had a lot to say about that. Very good questions and lots of good discussion. They received an energy conservation program update for July through December from Abby Hayward, and there was it's absolutely astonishing how much she is doing.

So I can't read you all the things that she's been implementing, but some of the things that I thought were really interesting that they'll be in the next six months, we'll get an insert on safety of the electric system in the bill as the bills suffer. There'll be a water and energy conservation plan update and a period of public input and engagement for that. They'll be putting out new information on dual fuel systems. So these are things like heating systems and water heating systems that can use both natural gas and heat pump electrical heat pump technology. They let's see we'll be giving out more information about power outages.

They're going to be rolling out or encouraging induction cooking in schools, as it is a safer alternative than gas and so forth. I'm not clear if that's going to be a program for the students or for the cooks in the schools or exactly what, but there'll be lots of time of use and man charge education as they implement the time of use rate structure in the summer, so there'll have to be a lot of education around that. And we could offer to help with that, because that's a big deal. Also home energy management strategies, including how to access the AMI and determine savings and use the delay function on your appliances and other strategies to shift loads. Let's see, the chair's report highlighted the New Mexico Climate Action Plan that was due out this month.

I think I sent you all links to the presentation of the preview that occurred a couple of weeks ago. If you wanna see what the statewide cap is likely to look at, I encourage you to look at that preview. Just as matter of reference, one of the things that jumped out is that or that was mentioned by the chair was that the largest emitter of greenhouse gases in New Mexico is not surprisingly the oil and gas industry, including fugitive emissions from well fields. And so to some extent, we're also we're responsible for those fugitive emissions, although we didn't include that in the climate action plan. The second largest source of of emissions in the state is transportation.

So then there's a number of strategies for addressing that in the New Mexico cap. Utility managers report, Elkridge is trying to finish all the conversions to the new natural gas system done by February. They're working on a mutual aid agreement with Lantel for when White Rock Power to provide White Rock Power during outages like they had a few months ago. If the Lantel site wide EIS passes for new work at the lab, which I think is going to include a bunch of AI stuff and other intensive computer stuff, they'll we'll be looking at using our San Juan Chama water rights to meet these new needs, and we'll have to update our water plan. We haven't been using our water rights to the San Juan Chama system because we haven't needed it, but this new computing stuff takes a lot of water for cooling apparently.

We've they've sampled 10 out of 12 of our water wells for PFAS. Two of the wells are currently not producing, the other 10 apparently do not have PFAS in them. And we've been in discussions with Farmington to possibly buy some of our excess power from the Foxtail Flats, system once it gets started. They may be interested in doing that. In addition, the county manager gave a report on an MOU with a company called Mozart for a waste to energy program.

Unfortunately, the audio quality was so bad that I couldn't understand what our county manager was saying about that. I don't know if you have information on this MOU for waste to energy that got signed. But any rate, they're trying to schedule a presentation on this for the county council work session in January.

Thanks, Sue. Do you have a question, David?

Just one comment. So on that New Mexico climate action plan, I thought one of the most interesting things that I learned was that we New Mexico can't hit net zero by 2050 without climate offsets. So that's, yeah, interesting. Yeah.

Alright. We'll go to transportation board.

So all we did this month is the work plan and the calendar. And one of the things we include in the work plan, though, under list of list of other projects in our activities proposed by this border commission, we put bicycle infrastructure. Cool. So we wanna keep that at the forefront.

Nice. Awesome. Okay.

Parks and rec board, I have not been going to the meeting. And I think in January is a excellent opportunity to potentially reappoint somebody. It looks like counselor Herman is not in. Is she online?

She might be here, Yash. Let's see. Oh, she was she yeah.

She sent an email, which I have. And Helica should I read it? Sure. Okay. Angelica and ESB, I'm sorry, but I had to step away from the meeting. Following are a few highlights from Tuesday, 12/1625 evening's general session county council meeting. There was a presentation by Jessica Kunkel, manager of the Department of Energy Environmental Management, Los Alamos field office, and she's provided us with a link for that presentation. We introduced an ordinance adopting an economic development project for public school for public support of I don't know how you say this the name of this company. Ubiquiti. Oh, I get it now.

Ubiquiti. This is a LEDA project, and I was very happy to see this be introduced. We also voted to approve raises for future counselors, county assessors, probate judges, and municipal court judges. Please let me know if you have any questions on these. And Angelica, did we set a date and time for our next board interview? Thank you all. Happy holidays, Rin Herman.

Awesome. Yeah. We did.

Yeah. We did. Yeah.

I'll send it to her. Thank you for reading that too. Working groups and steering committee, I don't think Britton is said they

were gonna take a break till

Oh, yeah. At least bring up. It's too cold. Even though it's not really been that cold. So do you have any LASA updates for us?

No. We didn't manage to Okay. Get a meeting together. Awesome.

And we just had our EV Yep. Presentation. So we'll move on to staff report, item number seven.

Let's see. Let me find the I didn't print the agenda for you because it's 258 pages. Okay. So I think you heard a lot. I'll just go through.

Okay. So you've seen that the chargers out here in front of municipal Building are constructed. We receive power to the equipment, and we're working with ChargePoint to activate the equipment.

Aren't they fun to work with?

I haven't had that pleasure. So, yeah, so that's that's happening. We're on schedule. The plan, we're still sticking to the December 31 date even though it may be up and running before then. So just to remind you, the center charging stations will be removed once those are online. That's exciting. Let's see. Oh, yeah. Educate oh, and then we're also working on the two DC fast chargers that will be installed at Mass Public Library. So we're waiting on the electrical design before we could go out to bid or get a quote for that work.

The fleet conversion plan, you heard that. Update, I'll be back with the final in February. And then education and outreach. So our consultant firebrand, we've been really giving them a sense of, like, what we've been doing already for education and outreach and just talk they provide they presented their work plan for the next year ahead. We kinda have been fine tuning that, but their next steps would be to do some focus group, come up with some messaging, and then work with focus groups to kind to see, what, you know, see their reaction to messaging and what's, what their preferences are or not.

And then they'll be developing campaign plans that are focused on all the things that you heard about in the cap rate, zero waste, EV adoption, energy efficiency, things like that. So And then like our soft launch, guess the way I see it is our soft launch will be for Earth Day. That's when we'll have like tangible products to share with the community. And then we're also working on developing metrics to just, you know, track how we're performing in that area. So are we actually moving the needle?

Are we encouraging behavior change? So just wanted to give a special thanks to Peak Chamisa and Bronco Elementary School, eco club members, and county employees, and county community members for helping contribute to the holiday tree. You can see it's all the ornaments on the tree are handcrafted, with recyclable materials. So take a look. And then that's funny. Printed twice. Okay. And then here's our sustainability report. So it looks like a 34% diversion in material. It's a it's a decrease from the year before.

It

might have just been the way the weeks the weeks fell. So that's kinda when you see those trends. And then just to Sue's point about Mozart DevCo. So they reached out to the county a few years ago, and then they circled back recently. So they're trying to do waste to hydrogen.

Waste to hydrogen?

Yeah. To, like Waste to energy so they'd make hydrogen fuel.

From where is the hydrogen coming from, though?

That's a good Okay. That's a good question. So

Yeah. I don't can you do that?

Well, you can burn it to make energy to make hydrogen. Oh,

but there's, like, a step in the middle there, kind of. Okay.

So they're pursuing the county for our waste, and that's what the MOU is. I think, really, what they're trying to do if I I'm speculating, but they're trying to gain, like, finance financial support for their project. So having, like, support from a county and the municipalities that are gonna participate is really important. So that's what the meeting is in January. So they'll be presenting, like, more about the technology. They're trying to work with the Pueblos, so I think San Juan, Pueblo, Okay Owingeh to site the facility there.

That could potentially save us money though if we're not trucking our waste. Right.

Yeah. Would this be instead of the new landfill?

Yeah. The the new quote, unquote new landfill is just hypothetical, but they are researching, like, if that's a feasible a feasible option. So it would benefit the northern part of the region, northern part of our state because we're all in the same boat of shipping our waste across the state.

One more way to achieve our cap goals.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What and they're presenting to counsel?

They're gonna be presenting to counsel and asking for an MOU.

Oh, they didn't get that. I okay. I think I misunderstood.

Yeah. That's why they're asking for it. So

got it.

I'm pretty certain. So I might be missing a few details, but that's, like, the gist of it. And there are ways out. They're, like, thirty six months out or something from actual, like, development of their facility and everything. So Oh, okay. Yeah. It's not like a turnkey thing. It's very yeah. So and we've kinda we've seen these come in the past. They try to partner with the Pueblos, and we'll see what comes of it. So that's my report.

Any questions for Angelica? Okay. Thank you. You're welcome. Alright. So item number eight is preview of upcoming agenda items. So Armando's gonna give us the waste audit results. Mhmm. Is he is that planned for January? Yes. Okay. Cool. So in January, we'll have that presentation, and then we'll have the final work plan, which, hopefully, we don't have to do anything, and we can just approve it. Alright. Awesome. Well, thanks, everybody.