Arts in Public Places Advisory Board - Regular Meeting

It is 05:30. We'll call the meeting to order. Yay. Yay. Public comment for anything not on the agenda?

I don't see anybody.

So then we'll move on to business. Farewell to me.

I wanted this one to go on beginning, just so that we could acknowledge that this is your last meeting. And so I wrote a little blurb. Since this is Stephanie's last meeting as our chair, I want to take a moment to thank her for her service over the past two terms. For four years, she's led it with dedication and passion, and her sense of humor and historical knowledge of our art collection have added so much to our discussions. Her leadership has helped bring several wonderful projects to life, including the Justice Center Mosaic, the Senior Center Security Gate, and the Nature Center Sculpture.

She's also been instrumental in improving our processes, including refining the art acquisition procedure, which will benefit this board and future projects for years to come. Stephanie, we truly appreciate everything you've done for this board and for public art in our community. It has truly made a difference. We will miss your leadership, but we know your impact will continue to last. Again.

And here we have a certificate of thanks for you.

Aw, thank you. So pretty. A very nice frame.

Thank you.

I miss you.

I'm trying to work with

you and get to know you.

I'm gonna come stalk you all. Yes. Come and give

me public comments.

No. Don't

I? You could be the new Dave Hampton. Oh. Yes. Yes. You

seem to be part of our our working groups if if the new chair allows that.

Allow me to be part of the working group.

Oh. Oh, he's not

there. I should say, speaking of. So we have a new chair? We're gonna get

there. Oh.

Okay. Approval of we're gonna move on. So approval of minutes from the 01/22/2026 APP meeting.

I move that we approve the minutes from 01/22/2026. Second.

So the motion was made by Jasmine, seconded by Anna. All in favor? Yes. Excellent words. So we will move on to the next item of business, the fire station discussion.

And we have Chief Witzenberg online. Excellent. And so do you want to maybe kind of the working group, do you guys want to talk about sort of where we are or why we've asked him to come? What kind of questions you have? I don't know.

We can can start out. So we had a presentation, was that December?

A while ago.

From someone who's affiliated with the project in the county.

So Sobia, the project manager for station four, came and spoke with us. And it's the architect online that day. And they brought up the arts part of the project. And we kind of had concerns about it and questions about it. I had talked to people in the community about the project, and we were hearing mixed feedback that didn't match with what we were told in the December meeting. So we kinda just wanted to, like, go to the source and kind of talk with you guys about the project in general.

Mhmm. And you you had talked with some firemen at Smith's Yeah. To see, like, if they just as, like, an incidental encounter to see if they were aware of sort of this design. It was, you know, kind of presented like it had been sort of discussed with you guys, but we just want to make sure that as we move forward, like, art into the new fire station that what we put there is something that you guys wanna look at every day. Got

it. Is it you want me to give my 2¢ now, or is there more talking that you all wanna do?

Yeah. Go ahead. By all means.

Okay, sorry. Sorry for the informality. I am also truly apologetic that I'm not there in person. The intent was for me to be sitting in one of those empty seats. And today has been a very weird day, but glad to talk to you all. So quick background. I'm new to this position. I'm now eight weeks in, so I I don't know what has been done long term for including fire department folks. But I have a lot of experience in fire departments in general, and I'll I'll give an opinion based on that, and then I'll talk a little bit specifically about the specific project itself. So twenty something years in the city of Santa Fe fire department.

I think when I was in the field, if somebody told me that they were gonna put a piece of art on a fire station, it better be incredibly, perfectly beautiful or else I'm gonna say, what's up? These are you know, stations are utilitarian, not not pieces of art. That's sort of like, we tend to be super utilitarian people. So I'm not surprised that you heard something based upon my history from a group of firefighters who maybe said it's not what they want on it. Now specific to the project, I have been briefed by Sylvia and David, the city person who's dealing or excuse me, county person who's dealing with the project, and then the architect project manager.

They did show me a proposal for the art, which I actually thought was pretty well put together. I thought it is a good idea to have something like that on the fire station. It was something that, you again, it was just conceptual, so I haven't seen exactly what it would look like. But it's something that would inspire conversation about the history of wildland fire in the area, which I think is significant, and I think it's a significant conversation to have. I think if the artist is done well as they've described it, I think, it could be something that brings community together around a lot of crisis that has been encountered by members of the community.

And I think it could be really educational. So in my brief time and in the time that I've spent with the project folks, I think it's a good idea. And I have not heard anybody in the department, in the station that I have talked to say that it's a terrible idea. So there's my initial thoughts. I'm really happy to try to answer specific questions, but I'll stop.

No, I'm here just listening in support. I am the senior project manager with Capital Projects and Facility. I collaborate with Sylvia. And I've been following the project along with Chief Litzenberg and previously with Chief Hughes and Deputy Chief Sarabi. And so ever since the conception of this concept for art at the fire station, the fire department management has

I had a question because I was the one who brought up my concerns. Because two of these three fires are escaped prescribed burns. And one of the escaped prescribed burns is the one that burned down part of our town. And so my concern is that we would get a lot of strong emotions by kind of highlighting prescribed fires that have had negative impacts on people in our community and that some people in our community still have a lot of fears associated with fire. And so my inclination was to not put up something that kind of drew attention to those fears.

And maybe it's just I talk to people that have certain feelings, particularly about the Sierra Grande. I mean, that one draws up a lot of emotions in town. And I know when Sierra Plato hit, a lot of people were very fearful. And some of the people that I knew that were here during Sierra Grande left immediately. And so they stayed gone until they felt it was safe to come back just because of what had happened with the Sierra Grande fire.

And so to me, personally, the fire department means something very different than these wildfires. And so if I had my choice, I would want to present the role that the fire department has played in my life. They put out the fire for my son's teacher's house, whose house burned down a couple years ago. They've been in my house. They've transported my daughter to the hospital, to Albuquerque.

And so I wonder, am I the only one that is interested in telling a different story? Or is there interest in the community to tell a different story?

I'm going to chime in on your thing. Have been that I lived in Los Alamos during Grande, Los Angeles, all like, every major fire. I don't love the idea because I I still have the stuffed animal the Red Cross gave me for the Cerro Grande fire. And it's funny because I named him Bowie, and my son's named Bo. So it's kind of, like, full circle moment with my teddy bear. But for me, thinking of we're gonna do glass beads that represent houses lost, that feels like a kick in the face to me personally. And I don't think I'm the only one in the community who would be like, oh, you think I'm just a bead? Like, that that's how I perceived it.

So maybe, like, moving forward, I mean, think we're whatever path we go, we're gonna have to get, like, community input and feedback. Would it be possible maybe to get because we have, like, the really nice, and that is, like, a wonderful presentation. Maybe we could, like if we could get some kind of, like, statement from the fire department about or from you, you know, kind of about wanting to incorporate, like, an educational piece and present that maybe, like, alongside this proposal just as, like, a broad solicitation for feedback from the community? Because, like, I've talked with people I didn't live in. I mean, I lived in Los Alamos for the Cerro Pelado fire.

I I didn't live here for any of the others, but I I know that, like, there's just, like, broad community trauma around those fires. A handful of the people that I worked with or that I worked with that lived during the Cerro Grande fire, they have, like, horrific stories about it. They they were pretty mixed sort of, like, responses to the description of this piece. I mean, granted these people are not, like, I think, very enthusiastic about art broadly, working at the lab. They're science people.

And so so I think they may be going forward with something like that. But I think that we should do that with, like, a statement from the fire department alongside and, like, maybe present, like, the goals for this artwork from the fire department. Like, you want something that is, like, educational and something that talks about the history of the community and fire protection in the community. And then we have this proposal and then kind of see what shakes out of that. I don't know. I mean, that's I I imagine that this would be one that we would get some

Strong feelings.

Hot public comment on.

I think it's important to not to necessarily lead with this particular art proposal, but more hash out the theme of what this art should mean. And that that's how we could do the call for art is not who can do this this proposal, but who can best represent this theme. So going along with what you said, Anna, about getting a statement from the fire department and what they would like to have, what's important to them when they go to work every day, What would they you know, what kinds of elements would they see? And then maybe put together that into a survey for the community to say, here's what we have so far from the fire department and APP. What is missing in your opinion, community members?

What is missing from this theme? Needs to do you have concerns about any elements of this or whatever? But giving them the option to weigh in, not on the specific art, but more on the sentiment of it.

I did have another question. So on the proposal, it has windows into the exercise facility. Is that really something you guys are Okay with? Like people being able to watch you go about your routine?

There's going to be a film on the window,

surely, for privacy.

Yeah. Thanks. Thank you for the question. So there's two parts to it. One is the hope would be that there would be some sort of film or there are opaque windows or something so that people aren't looking direct in. The second part of the question is no. I don't think most people would want to be looked at when they're working out. In the end, that's what happens. And just so it's said, I so I was part of all three of the big fires that you guys have referenced that have caused Los Alamos, which I think have appropriate traumatic response. Sarah Grande, Los Conchas, and then Sarah Palladas.

So in one way or another, I've been involved. And I think my view is a little bit less emotional because I didn't live in the communities, but I still have emotions over the fires. I sort of I sort of see it a bit like having lived as a responder through nine eleven, how healing it was for me to go to the museum at the Twin Towers, at which a lot of stuff that was triggering was presented, quite honestly. But somehow it was a healing process. I don't think, if you go back to the art that's on this fire station, I don't think, I know that none of us are particularly married to the plan that was presented to us.

It wasn't our plan. But we are married to the idea of two things. This being educational for fire adaptation in general because there are things that people in communities can do to prevent such huge incidents from happening. And if possible, for it to have some sort of therapeutic value. And whether or not the original design does that, I think those two things are worthwhile to try to think through.

And if it helps us to, just say that in a letter or something, that's fine. But I I do think there's a way to do those, if not with this specific design, with something. And I think it's worthwhile.

So do you guys would you like something more abstract or something more realistic?

I think the difficulty you're gonna have is when I started my presentation, which which is most fires tend to be so pragmatic about things that the fire station's a tool. And they'll have a hard time answering that question you just asked. The other part that makes it difficult is probably gonna be fifty fifty, depending on who you talk to, whether they like something that's a little bit more sciency or a little bit more artsy. I don't know that I can answer that.

Okay. So I have a question. Was there supposed to be a trail that went in the front?

Is that part of

the plan? Like that canyon trail was going go on the front?

That's more of a Miguel question.

The existing trail that goes behind the fire station?

Yeah.

No, that trail is going to remain. It's not going

to be And

what is going to happen is, as part of the project, there will be a connecting path from the lot

of

the station towards the curb.

Okay. And

I'm not gonna attempt saying your last name because I'm gonna butcher it. But Eric, would you guys be opposed to, like, functional art or, like, hands on art? Like, kids can come and play with something?

No. I think I think that's fantastic if it's possible. And I do think part of the plan was not redesigning the trail that's in the back of the station, but for there for the walkway, that's where the art installation would be to be planted in a way that shows people the kinds of things you can do with landscaping that are that's also fire resistant. So no. I there's no opposition if we can do something that is hands on and kids could or adults like me could do things with.

Together, like, a call for art with that, you know, education about fire prevention and fire history, goal for some kind of, like, therapeutic value to the community, and then prioritizing functional or interactive artwork, functional or interactive elements to the artwork.

Something like that. Coming into language a little bit is going to be helpful, I think. The initial proposal was really great. I think we all love the proposal itself, like the presentation, but like a high concept idea that I think getting into the plain language of it might be helpful at this point.

Don't if you want to

get out of it. Yeah.

Do you want to do the call for art? I'll do whatever. I was thinking to survey the community on getting their input on the theme in order to refine the call for art first. And then do a call for art. And then when we get people in, then again, go back to the community with the options or whatever.

Oh, I like that. Yeah.

Because then we can start narrowing it down and form a working well, we have a working group. Add to our working group

right now. Really get it, yeah, get it more developed. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's good. You never know what's gonna shake out of community comment and you know? What if they want bears? The public loves sculptures of bears. Raven's dialogue is a smashing success.

When I talked to Sylvia last, the important two pieces up front right now for for for the project to to for you guys to decide on is the theme and the location. And so they had drawn location into that that framework or whatever. And so it seems like you might wanna tweak the theme the current theme that they have. But are you okay with how it's drawn, like, art in that location?

Yeah. It sounds like something we definitely, I think, would want to put it on the front of the fire station so that it's impactful. I think placing pieces in areas that are and that can be fun, but I think in terms of, you know, art that the community is really gonna interact with and, like, enjoy, like, something on the front.

I

mean, if it's nice looking and there are those, like, big windows for the firefighters, maybe, like, having a nice piece of art or something. Or, you know, if art if the art is, like, drawing passerbys in and there's a film on the window, it could be, like, the firefighters are actually watching the public instead of the other way around. Voyeurism can go both ways.

But but, yeah, I I don't think I have

a problem with, like I think that locates It's

more of a, like, a screen type

Yeah.

Design. And and Eric, do you see any reason to that should not be like, that should not be the the framework for the art?

No. I don't see a reason why that couldn't and shouldn't be a framework for the art.

So at least that could can do the call for art and the theme around this is the structure that we're going for. And now and now we can craft the theme based off of a community input and then and then the working group work and then the conversation with APP. Okay. So do you still want some some statement?

I think so. Yeah. I think that would be helpful. Like, I mean, like, this is gonna be somewhere where, like, the firefighters are living part time. And so I think, like, the community should go into, like, feedback with the idea that, like, this is a very occupied building. Like, this is a place where people are gonna spend a lot of time.

And so

and I think if that's in the forefront of people's minds when they think about, like, what do they wanna see there, that would be good.

Well, if they say, like, what their intention is, the intention of, like, educational, your Yeah. Therapeutical and, like, all that stuff Yeah. That might get more feedback

to

you from the community.

I hope, like, guide the feedback into more, like, productive and directed way instead of why are we spending public dollars on art? So I do enjoy those comments.

The question isn't, what theme do you want? The question would be, here's what has been presented so far. Tell us what is missing from this. So it's not quite so open ended. So if I can get words or thoughts, Eric, from you, at some point, if you wanna email me, then I can craft based off of what you guys just said and the words that I get.

I can craft something up and give it to the working group as as what what a survey might look like with that theme, and then you guys tweak it. And once you're you are good with it, then I can send it out so that hopefully by the March or

yeah.

It would be nice if we could get it get the results back so you can discuss it by next month. Yeah.

Can I ask you how you how do you pronounce your last name?

Well, I don't,

apparently. Lutzenberg. Okay.

Excellent. Thank you.

Lutzenberg. Lips for those who don't feel like saying the whole thing, And Eric is always good too.

You guys have anything else you want to add?

Thanks you all for being thoughtful in this. We do appreciate it.

Yeah, thank you. Thank you.

Thank you for your time.

Sorry I'm not there in person once again.

Will be time. Okay,

is there any more comments or anything on this? Then we can move on to the election of officers. Would anybody like to be the chair? Do they have

you have any final comments? No. Actually move on. Oh, you're good. Okay.

Nominate Jasmine for one or the other. Chair?

One or the other? Chair. Nominate who's not here.

As vice chair? Is Tim's vice chair? Chair and Tim's vice chair? Is that what you're saying?

We tend to to

Yeah.

I was like, but

Tim's not here. So I'm like,

I don't know. It feels weird to

be like,

Tim's in charge when Tim's not here.

Can we just can you just nominate somebody who's not here?

That's what I was

asking. Sorry?

Do you want a post call?

What do get when you

don't show up to the meeting?

Congratulations. So

funny. Did

it? Yeah. I think it's

a pretty good chair. You've been on the board for a long time now. Like, you've been the vice chair. Like, you're doing the leadership Los Alamos thing. Would

you like to be chair, would you be sad if we don't?

This is recorded, know, for being serious.

I know. Watch what I say.

Mean don't know if you don't want to.

Sam was working on the procedures with you. He's more well versed in everything. So I would have loved to see him as chair.

But

I don't know. I know when we first did nominations, he said he had too much work movements or something like that. I don't know. I'm pinning over

there. No. I know I should have taken Tim's chair. No, I think Tim would be good. Yeah, obviously, he didn't want to.

I feel bad if we nominate someone who's not here.

Is there a way to kick it

I don't know. The road here?

Well, the thought about doing it now was and it was actually Tim's suggestion was to do the voting now while there are five of you. Once Stephanie leaves,

What? Exactly.

That's the problem here tonight. But the intention was that there would be five. So if there were some sort of tie, couldn't be a tie. Whereas once Stephanie leaves, if you are voting and you get into a tied situation until we can find a replacement, then there's only you know, like, then you're you're stuck. That was the only thought. But we're in this situation right now.

We're in this situation.

We're trying to avoid who's going to

start taking over the meeting.

And I don't know. Is could table it. And then Jasmine, as vice chair, could be the chair, the acting chair, until a vote has taken place, I guess. I guess. Yeah. Okay.

And passing it to Tim, I'm like,

hey, girl.

And that way you haven't inadvertently nominated a chair, a reluctant chair.

Although if we do that, I answer emails.

Just send it

to his work address. Send it to his work address? Start emailing his work address.

Oh, man. Let me write that

down. I

can get you that.

I just texted him, and he didn't. Maybe he's missing because he doesn't want to be.

He didn't want to be. Don't know. A strategy. You can table it. And I think wanna table it? Or does anybody want to be chair? Okay. So you guys get to decide next time.

Resistance right now is taking that.

Okay. Can be acting chair for the next meeting.

Oh, darn. I am sick next time.

You're gonna go back and forth.

Okay. So just trade off absences.

We'll coordinate with Tim. We'll just

Okay. So we will table election of officers. And we will move on to the Sydney Quintessential. Was that his? I talked

to Tim a little bit, like, just in the hallway at work. And I was like, what happened?

Yeah. It's essentially gotten to a point, I think, where there are logistical issues that might prevent us from proceeding in this. Like it as a competition and having his name on it. So we're all a little I think what the reason why Tim wanted to to bring it to the meeting was to see if there was some sort of path around this, some way that we could try and make it work. But I think at this point, four months out from the show with Step Up, wondering what's gonna happen, we wouldn't be doing them a favor to kick the can.

It really stinks, but canceling at this point might be the best path forward for all parties involved. I don't know if you want to fill in anything else, but that's sort of

where we're at.

The initial intent, I think, when Tim brought was it acquisition. And because of our connection with Step Up, I mean, was best intentions going in the right direction. But it's sort of a little bit out of the lane of APP as a show versus an acquisition. And so because of that, it brings up some logistical issues that we've been trying to work through that it just makes it really difficult.

Yeah. Yeah. And I think it was ambitious to try and make this work. We all knew that from the start. I don't think this is something we should regret. But, yeah, like you're saying, it's we were out of the lane of the ordinance. There's just no two ways around it. Just not headline at this point might be best, especially for step up to know where they stand, which understandably, I think they're a little bit frustrated. I would be too. I said, wearing my other hat, working with the gallery.

But I think doing this four months out rather than three months out or two months out or one month out would be a better move. And again, I think we can learn a lot from this. Like, when we do venture out of our lane to be prepared for this outcome and to understand that this is not necessarily what Arts and Public Places is going do. I'll stop at that.

Do I think two from Katie?

It was definitely conversations with Katie and has some concerns. And so we've been trying to address the there was no direction that said, absolutely don't do it. It was, it needs to be this way or that way. And every time we try to make it work, it doesn't work for the other it's like trying to get all the working parts all playing together. It just doesn't it's just struggling.

And if we're already struggling, what might happen later on? And Tim and I had talked about it too, that the consequences possibly outweigh the benefit of it. And we can find an acquisition method in a different way. And he said this was his initial idea, if you remember. And I asked him, and he said, he'd rather what Andy said too, rather stop it at this point.

And he's not in opposition of it, but he wanted to make sure. He wanted before the working group just canceled it, he wanted to make sure that you guys if you had any reservations about that or objections or felt really strongly about it, that this would be the time to have that conversation. Is there any

chance the Arts Council or someone could pick it up?

So the arts counselor right now is me and another full time employee and a part time

Oh. Employee.

So we don't have a whole lot of Okay.

Room. Yeah. That's fair.

Besides that, June is our fourth annual pride show. So

Oh, okay.

No. I think, yeah, there's some I mean, we could if we want to pursue that course of action of trying to get because our call is roughly constructed. Trying to get it into some other venue or some other way, that is an option. I don't think it's a particularly productive option or a realistic option at this point Yeah. Just because of timing. That is an option that we could potentially pursue.

Alright. Four months is is that four months out?

Yeah. No. Six months is, like, the minimum you wanna do.

Yeah. That's That's real good.

It's a real bummer.

Yeah. No. I think it's frustrating, but I think there's a lot we

can learn from this. Okay.

And obviously, because Tim's not here to say that him and Diane and Katie and Chelsea have all Katie Corcos over at Step Up have all been very resourceful in trying to find different ways to make this work. Just be raised that it's not going to work.

Do you have a vote on Angela?

And is I think it's really up to you guys because the new process that you guys created was to have the project plan. And so all at the very end of the project plan, there's a place where it's either this project is complete and it's being recommended to go to council or it's be or it's canceled the chair has canceled it. And so I don't know. So I think it's up since this is the first time this has happened, I think you guys can choose how you how this process formally ends, whether it needs to be a vote or it needs to like, so the working group has come and said, here. This is does that mean that APP now formally votes?

Or does that mean just the chair can say, because the chair created the working group, can the chair now just dissolve the working group and we document that at the end? Didn't know, but I put a recommendation just in case. If you needed to vote, you can tonight. But you don't have to.

My recommendation would be that we vote based on the working group's recommendation. If they are recommending that we cancel the project, then I would encourage them to make that motion and tell us why they're making that motion, which they kind of already have. And then we vote to support the panel or to not support the panel. So then it's not because I don't think the chair should have the power to mix a working group. So it should be

So along those lines, there is a I was

going to say I saw the

Just to help. You don't have to say that. No, think that

may be something about logistical issues, just to make

it clear.

I moved to cancel the semi quintentennial art competition project due to logistical issues that could not be overcome.

Sadly,

motion was made by Andy, seconded by Anna, to cancel the semi quintessential art competition project. All in favor or opposed? In favor? So sorry, we are canceling the semi quintessential art competition working group and project.

I would like to say this is also we are leaving Diane and Katie in a very tough spot in this. I think anything we can do as a board to support whatever their next move is, whether that be attending whatever comes from this, whether this be helping them figure out, like, what their next step is, This is not what I wanted to have happen was to leave the subcontractor of the county in a difficult spot, leave a small two person part time gallery in a spot.

Would

So when you're saying they're in a tough spot, what does that mean?

They don't have a show in four months.

Have reserved this time slot for this show. And so by canceling it, it now leaves this late. They have nothing with four months left.

Like thirty days of dead time in their gallery. I think whatever they choose to do on their own because we're now independent from them, just I'd like to see I will be supporting it as a person, but I'd love to see us try and figure out how we can help. Not sure what that would look like.

I gave Diane at Step Up a heads up that this was on the agenda. So she had asked to be notified of your decision. So the first thing Friday morning is I will email her and let her know that. And I can say what you said and ask what might be helpful, if you are wanting to do that.

And I mean, there's a real chance you want nothing to do with us. That's a good step is to let them know where the project is and

The other thing too is that this was on our working plan, our work plan for this year. And I think it's going to council. I think it's still going to council. And so I will let the county manager's office know that they could update that to take that piece off of our work. I'll do that tomorrow as well.

Any other comments on that? Then we will move on to working group updates. Olmsteaders are project.

So I went to the historic preservation board meeting. And Leslie was there and gave a presentation. And we talked with them. So I'd watched the meeting minutes from January where I missed, and she gave her presentation. And kind of what shook out of the conversation with the historic preservation board and Leslie is that we know that there's going to be four signs now in specific locations. Both Leslie and the historic preservation board voiced support for making sure, like, they putting art in those places,

thumbs up.

But making sure that that art builds on the narrative that is being told in the signs. She's hoping to have the signage finalized by April and ordered by April. And so I think that we should,

like, the

best path forward might be to wait and see what that language is and then incorporate that into, like, an initial call for art for those locations. There was support with that for the historic preservation board. They also said that they would support because they want the artwork to sort of be representative of that period. And so they said that they would, you know, like, work with us also on, like, evaluating proposals and language for. And so I think maybe we should wait for, like, that language to come out and look at that language and then look at what we want to put in, like, a call for art.

Do that in conjunction with the historic preservation. I think it's, like, steps for that that's for that board working group. That seems like the obvious path forward, I think, and maybe, like, a very achievable. Know that, like, we had talked about, like, bigger like, started out, like, very ambitious with, like, playground and community garden and stuff like that. But I think, like, given what I've heard from Leslie and what we've talked about in the historic preservation board, I think that might be forward.

But I I think that we should, at a minimum, wait until we see what those signs are gonna look like and what the language on the signs is going to be. She did say that, like, in one of the signs that they were going to, like, point out, like, other like, one of them may include, like, a map, points out, like, other homestead locations and things like that. And so I think really, like, we want we should look at, you know, what that looks like when it comes out and, like, just even, like, the visuals for those signs. Like, what do the signs look like? Because you don't wanna have, like, a piece of art that's, like, diametrically opposed to what the sign looks like.

And I I don't think that this is gonna be, like, a project where we have, like, ultra modern, like, high concept, like, super abstract art. That was kind of the discussion that we had that I had with the historic preservation board and Leslie. That's the update that I have on that.

Makes sense. Yeah.

Encompass, new station, art project review.

There's an update until after March 9. Right?

So March 9 is when the designs are due. And once that happens, I guess I can put together then a community survey to get gather input on those three designs. One of them being the actual sculpture and then the two designs.

Let me know first so I can get the working group together so they can see it first.

Yeah.

And yes. And then I did hear that I think the police department is working on a design for their memorial. Just trying to figure out timing wise, where are we? At some point, we need to make sure all lines up right or we have some line in storage or in somebody's office or just walked out

in front of the police station. Don't In your office. No. Right here in the hallway.

Temporary story.

Becomes my chair.

It's probably good for your back. Right? It's upright. I would love to see it right here in the middle, in the middle of the meetings.

It's gonna be, like, pointed at the camera. Yeah.

He He comes the APP mascot. Right?

That that worked with

her. APP. Any other comments on the PlayStation? And we'll skip the semiquincentennial and go on to the strategic plan working group. We are going to talk more about this in just a minute because we are working on a decession policy and procedure. Because there's certain pieces of art that, as a community, we need to address because of their current condition. And so that's what we were working on. And so that's our next item after this. So then the next working group is

much of an update.

I have a little bit of an update, actually. So I heard back from

Pacific Coast.

Pacific Coast people. I think I emailed you and Tim that information.

The whole little

crumble as it moves. Yeah. So they laid out the pros and cons from their perspective. There's two pros, and there's quite a few more cons to moving it. The pros would be that it would make more sense at the ball field and that it also could face a different direction than it is now so that the UV exposure would be less to that the ceramic surface of the art.

So those would be some good reasons to move it. The cons would be that the artwork, they said, would need to be cut into sections and that the concrete back is already cracked, and so it may crumble and break apart if it's cut to move. They would also apparently, there's handprints in the surface. I didn't realize that. So cutting and restoring the back, it would damage those handprints.

And that the surface would need to be faced is what they called it, the temporary protective fiber and coating that gives stability to murals. So they would need to put a face on it so that they could move it. And then they also thought that in this location, because it's by the ball fields, more children might be climbing all over it than they do now where it is located. But then they gave me an estimate. And again, this is just a like, this is a wide range depending on a lot of factors, but it'd be based off of all of what we'd have to do if they were to do it.

And again, we could go with you know, we could bid it or what I mean, there's a lot of process. But the the cost range right now, they're saying is 25,000 to $38,000 just to move it.

So I didn't realize there were

handprints on it.

Never noticed that.

I didn't notice.

It's all very thing. You're Really? Yeah.

In the back.

I know the handprints. I don't know what the

imprints are. I know they have names on the handprints too.

I only ever see it from the one side. Right.

I never think to look at

the back. See, my idea is we just pick up the library and we move

it over there.

There you go. Don't move the art, but move all the stuff around the art.

Okay. That makes it easy.

Then it's not our response. I mean, that's out of our lane. So, like, sorry.

Darn.

See, I have good solutions here.

So I think with that information, that then the working group needs to get back together again. Tim was working at contacting the artist and so getting the artist's opinion. And then you guys maybe make a based off of now the information you've gathered, make a work like, add that to your project plan, what you have found, and then decide amongst yourselves what how you wanna proceed. And then make a recommendation, I guess, to the board here of, we want to keep it due to the costs and the cons of this. We're going to we no longer want to move it, or we still want to go ahead because of whatever, blah, blah, blah.

And then let I guess that's, again, a board vote at that point. So let me know if you want my help with any of that.

Any other comments about the problems? And the next one is fire station four, which we've already discussed, unless you want to add some Then we will move on to the update on the deaccession policy and procedures. Believe that was attached. And this is a procedure to help us walk through the deaccession process. Tim had an idea of specific steps to follow and evaluate. In the

packet that you're seeing, the first page is what is currently is the current deaccession policy. It says disposal at the top. That one, two, three is what is currently in our policies. And so then the next two pages, front and back, is the proposed changes to that. Jasmine, those are the proposed changes, that page in your left hand.

That is the report. That is a draft report. So there's two things here. There's the well, there's three things. There is the current policy for the disposal deaccession.

There is then the draft of the the the revised deaccession policy that spells out what Stephanie was saying. It spells out more steps. Instead of it saying like, in the current one, just says, oh, staff and APP members will figure it out. And so instead of it saying that, it's now more formalized, more specific. And in this, it has one of the steps would be that it has a report that needs to be completed when a piece has been identified to relocate or to be deaccessioned.

And so then the next section here that says Los Alamos Art and Public Places Board in the letters, that is an example of a report utilizing, just as an example, one that has been identified by you guys as something to consider de accession. Just to see how it works. You know what I mean? And

so the idea was to do something similar to what we're doing for acquisitions, which is to have a working group to either manage all potential decommissions or to individually manage I love the specific group.

It's just not to join me.

To help kind of have a group that can fill out the form, kind of get the information, and then bring that to the board to say, this is what we recommend. These are the reasons we recommend the TA session. And allow the board to move forward with that recommendation. There are several potential items in the collection. Aquatic figures is one of them. Dino world is very damaged, and that's it would bring me such sadness. But Offer it

up for, like, sale or, like

I was like, are

you trying to sell it to Stephanie?

I'm trying to buy it for myself. You're kidding me. I'm gonna outbid Stephanie.

That's a part of this process is first, identify you first identify a piece that somebody brings either you guys or the community or the county staff or somebody identifies a piece, that they think needs to be deaccessioned. At that point, then you guys have a conversation or the working group does about what like, how what criteria would it would deaccessioning it fall under. It has to fit very specific criteria in order for it to qualify. Once you've identified that, then there's some work to do, contacting the artist, other things. And then you also have to decide what to do with it.

And so there's a variety of ways to do with it. It could go to auction. Auction. It could be given back to the artist. There we have to be careful with it can't just be given back to the artist because of the anti donation clause that New Mexico has, But you could work out things providing that the artist wants it.

You could work out things like in lieu of like, the cost it would take to ship it out. Like like, they would pay there's ways of working at it so that the cost involved in having it get back to the artist is considered the cost of that. And at some point, I would imagine with a mural, you can't auction it. You would have to dispose of it.

I'll give it back. So so Dino World is

removable. Yeah.

But aquatic figures would have to be painted over. And the other one we've been talking about was the Francis Harlow that was removed years ago from one of the county buildings. The Cowboys. Oh

my gosh.

My idea. Session working group. Anybody liked it?

I add to that just real quick? A thought that I had, and I don't know how you feel about that. But I was wondering if the clowns working group could be turned into that. So you're not adding a new working group. Because the clowns is about relocating a piece, could that I mean, and again, Jasmine and Tim, you guys signed up But for the clowns you might be interested in lots of the pieces and doing that kind of work.

So is anybody interested in looking at this artwork?

I'm interested in giving

comments on it. I'm sorry that you work here. Can't happen. This will be mean, Tim. To Andy?

Oh,

cool. Would you be interested in doing the session? Or would you like to

No, I think that could be an interesting thing, unless you all want to step on your toes here.

We can keep the clowns focused. That will probably just get

moved over to the other one.

Only two. Either one or two can be on the working group. No more than two. I mean, and lots of and other people out in the community can be on. So working groups I think we might have put a limit on the total amount of people. I can't remember. But I know you can only have two board members.

You wanted to buy stuff. She's shopping. I wanna use this as, like

I have a I have

a conflict of interest with this because I am personally interested in procuring at least two of these pieces of art.

And once Lucky comes up, he's coming home again.

Oh, damn.

I'll take corky. It's Okay.

I have corky. Okay. So we'll make a working group of Andy and Jasmine. And they will focus on these other pieces other pieces or in the community and just leave the Jasmine and Kim for funds.

Is it a deaccessioning working group or relocation and deaccessioning? Is it just about deaccessioning? Or is it about relocating as well? Which might kind of go hand in hand because if you've thought carefully about deaccession and realized we could just relocate it and it would solve the problem.

We

could relocate Corky to Anna's house.

Perfect. How would you guys would you like it to be possession and relocation?

Yeah, makes sense to go

to them. And we'll go ahead and keep clowns separate because Tim's

And then there's the feedback about the draft, too, if anybody had any of this draft. I like

the addition of the written request from the artist. I think in the time that I've been on the group, we've really just had one real spicy artist that

needs to fix.

But yeah, I think that's a good addition. I like that.

He is pretty spicy. I hope that you get incoming. David Frick's. He is the artist for Dino World.

Are sure you tell him you don't work at the Well, I don't. So that's not

I was

gonna Make sure that is clear.

And that maybe you have R I X? For the county. It's RIX.

Jasmine, so you too. I will give you to the information I have about the the small list of ones that you guys have talked about over the last couple of years and any information I have. And I'll give you the draft of this report. So it's just like a project plan report. This will be the I know, Jasmine, be careful now.

This is very similar. It's a very similar process. And it's just formalizes the process and documents it well so that in the future, anybody has any questions about the process or the reasoning or whatever, there's now a clear document. They don't it's transparent that way, I think.

And it's what you can take to the county council when go to get approval.

When I've researched deaccession policies in other municipalities around the state and outside of New Mexico, It talks about that's why one of that last sentence of the first paragraph of the new one says, removal should be rare, carefully considered, and documented. And so that's just language that I gathered from research. And it seems like just as carefully you guys spend a lot of time and effort on the acquisition side, you need to spend the exact same amount of time and effort considering deaccessioning.

So I did have a comment about the artwork removal policy from any individual. I

updated this. I apologize. I noticed that today. And so it has now been changed to based off of that feedback you gave. A request for removal may come from any community group, organization, county department, or APPB member. Does that sound better?

Yeah. Because I didn't want you guys to be overwhelmed with I don't like that. Remove it. But, I mean, they need to have a community support. That says more than just one minute removed is a group

of people

to get a community group together.

I'm gonna start a community group to remove all of the wall

beams at

Fuller Lodge. Like, I don't know.

I don't know. But then also to add in the county department because it was the county department that asked us to remove the Princess Harlow. That you're trying to take home.

Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Or place in a local courtroom or appropriate administrator's office.

Somewhere in the hospital.

Put it in the ER.

This moving on. The bottom of the first page, 3C, talks about legal review. I put that in because, again, of other policies. We're not reinventing the wheel. And so we're just picking and choosing what Albuquerque has, what the state has, what Las Cruces has, and Bernalillo County.

There's a lot of pieces and parts in this. But the legal review again, remember, once you guys sign off on this and you like it, just like we did with the acquisition section, then it goes to legal. And our legal department talks about making sure it still matches with the ordinance. So I'm working hard to do a better job of that than when initially I did with the acquisition piece of it. So so hopefully, it'll fit the ordinance.

And then it has to go to council for approval. So that would be the steps of this once you guys like the way this policy reads. And I thought it might be helpful to evaluate how this policy reads by doing one simultaneously, which is why then the next part is the aquatic figures report draft. And I gathered as much information as I could. I'm not sure I know how to find the artist. There is rumor he might have passed away. I'm not sure.

He wouldn't have a website. Did he?

Okay. So I need help, I guess, to track him down or his family or whatever. Jobs for the working.

I'm fairly certain if you search his name, he has a website. Because I thought he advertised

He does.

Aquatic figures as one of his. Which kinda made me sad, but it also made me sad that you haven't taken great care of it.

Also Since this has gone since you guys have this here, I also got a statement from the aquatic center staff, manager of as to what is happening, like that the paint really is flaking, that they sweep it up continuously. And and also what could go there in its place that they have not that a new art piece would come in, but that they have I can read it to you since this didn't make I got this sense. If the mural the potential uses for this space include more accessible points for safety and rescue equipment needed on the pool deck. Staff could also use the space to hang life jackets and other equipment on the walls to clear up the cluttered deck. So they could use that.

So I added that to the report anyway. So that, again, gathering as much information. This one has gone out in our remember our big survey that we put out in the fall. We had aquatic there were seven pieces that we had identified that may in the next few years be considered for deaccessioning. And aquatic figures was one of them.

And so I put that, if you see the summary of public input, I summarized what the results of that survey said. So typically, we might not have as current survey information. But for this one, it seems like we do, unless you guys want more. We have some stats on the sentiment of that. Because I know that was one of the issues that we had with considering deaccession is how do we gauge the level of belovedness of the peace from the community.

And so this was doing this part of the survey was our attempt at gauging that. So if you guys think that's enough, then that's fine. And if you think you want to do more questioning, that's fine too. We can always ask more questions.

How do we give it back to the artist?

You can't do it. Not with a mural. So you would paint. It would be painted over. And the reason this one is first on the list is because the pool is now being shut down, what, in the next couple weeks until October, I think, for resurfacing. And so it might if we can get through this process in time, it it it might that's how this initially came up. I don't remember which one of you brought that up, but that it could coincide with the shutdown and it'd be done during that process.

That's also how they've changed in using this space. So you can use the They need a wall space that's not going to be damaged by the constant sticking. They're really having to clean it up right here. That's all for them.

This painting was done in 1988, so it's definitely survived the twenty year requirement.

And

I was thinking, but please add more. There could always be more criteria or change it. But number three on this report is the list of criteria for consideration. So it's the same list as the well, it's revised criteria. So we'd have to be careful because at this point, we still need to be working off of the old, the current policy.

But it could fall under damage beyond practical repair. Oh, an when you purchase something?

Yeah. So say that after twenty years. I don't think we can actually guarantee Unless it's damaged,

it would be clear. And like the claws, Yeah.

Then after to be here

twenty years unless xyz happens. Yeah.

And then after twenty years, then maybe. Some communities do put a deal session clause in their acquisition. But if that's not what the state is I don't know. I was just missing something that

was confusing. In the two contracts that we've done just recently, I took language from what Albuquerque's language is in their contracts about that I can't remember. I can bring you the language if you would like. But that there is and I brought it to legal and procurement. And they were able to incorporate that into the newer contracts.

I don't think we have that in the older contracts. But going forward, there is a paragraph that talks about the ability for APP to deaccession and what that might look like, that they would be contacted, but that it's ultimately up to the board to decide that the county takes as good care as possible of their collection. But at some point, deaccession might be considered, and you would be contacted. Something like that. Yeah.

Just has something to refer back Because with aquatic figures, we don't have anything to refer back to to say, Okay, here. We also might want to consider a formal process of when right now, the just says when somebody brings something up, is that good enough for you? Or do you think it should be, like should there be a set schedule for all the pieces? Should it be at their twentieth birthday if nothing has happened prior to it?

I remember when we were talking with Tim, he sort of had an idea that because we do a periodic audit of the collection anyway. And then to use the audit to kind of identify pieces

that might need to be included

in the session.

I think

his vision was more that it was a set schedule. Every year, we go look really deeply at 10 pieces and say, is this still what the community wants? Is this in good condition? Is this in the right location? And then just rotate through the collection from, like, 10 pieces.

I think some sort of rubric and going around.

I think it's also weird.

If we did that, we could, like, look at, like, oldest artworks and then kind of evaluate since those will be the ones that have, like, another twenty year lifespan and are probably most in danger of being, like, in poor condition or but, I mean, that being said, like, you know, like, the sculptures, like, Do, like, a random selection of anything that's over twenty years?

Just look at the oldest stuff and cycle through. Yeah. So do these three this year and grab a handful more or so of the oldest ones and say, we do one of these? Are these in good shape? They need a similar cradine section.

And add any ones identified by Pacific Coast that has high damage. Nexus, right, and tranquility.

Tranquility, though, was on purpose. Right?

It was the whole Jack resting thing?

But I don't know that Also, the birds are are doing their bird thing. And who wants to clean up that all the time? Which I understand. But maybe relocating sprinkler to a location that's not going to have the root interaction, the water interaction. Maybe there's a spot for it at the pond. Pretty safe.

I checked in with Parks Department. And they built the platform, I think, that it sits on. And apparently, it's pretty easy to remove. So it's not like this huge like, don't know that it's going to be like, moving the clowns is $35,000 Moving tranquility out of the pond, it wouldn't have that same price tag. Just FYI.

That could be another I'm gonna

eat the stage right on the center.

Right? Yeah. You could

put the microphone somewhere for

the phone. You could make it into a mic stand.

Yeah. They wanted that sort think we wanted that. I

might run for president. Good ideas. So are there you guys are set?

Think so. Yeah, I think.

So the next step is that I send you a list of the ones that you guys have been talking about with as much information as I can gather.

That'd be helpful to me.

Is that? So there's two things, Stephanie. Are you talking about the working group? Then the deaccession like your strategic plan group is still working on refining the deaccession now that you've got feedback from

those guys?

Or did you want more?

I think I would want to see how it goes. Once you get through one of at the least one of them, say, is this working? Is this process or is there something be added to the process or something?

To start with the aquatic figures. And then

give feedback and see if there's something that we can improve.

Find a way to take murals.

You look paint by chips.

Yeah.

There we go.

That was a suggestion given to me was you could take a nice photo of it. I don't know how, but you guys could figure that out. And then that could be given to the artist or his family as a thank you. Because we can't The year is '40. Yeah. You. We are back.

Service told us all

this Yeah.

A little paint chip and

be like, this is what's left.

The paint chip in a part of the frame of a picture or whatever. So you're going to

work on that.

Good. It's you. You said yes. Support. Support's them.

Okay. So you guys will do that. You'll give feedback, and then the working group can reevaluate. Is there any other comments on questioning? So then we'll move on to the pending items list.

Sorry. Sorry. Making jokes. I hate you. We're getting down. It's really nice. So the Justice Center wall mosaic. So we're still trying to hammer out the dates for the community involvement piece. He will not put us on his calendar until he receives the first payment. We got the first payment sent to him.

He did not receive it. And so we've had to wait for a set amount of time before finance would reissue the check. In the meantime, he gave us his ACH, like his automatic deposit, we could get it faster. But apparently, we've just learned there's an issue with that. So they re yesterday today? Yes. Today, they reissued the check. And Angel had a great idea of just we're just going to FedEx it the check to him. Like, so he can have it by Tuesday, and we can track it, and it'll be good. So anyway, so that's the solution of that.

In this day and age, you think it'd be easier, but it's not. And he just needs the check so that it's set and that's his policy. And I don't want to argue with him. Is what it is, and that's what he's asked that we can be put on his calendar when he's received his first check. It's all laid out in the in the contract, and so it's fine.

Do you

know how, like, soon he's available, or is he gonna be, like, okay, in 2028?

Right now, he's saying that the June is still open. I'm hoping that that is still the case when we go to his calendar next week, hopefully. The June because there it also needs a set temperature. So it can so when he puts it up, the grout has to it can't be I don't have the I don't have my notes in front of me. But, like, it can't be below a certain temperature, and it can't be too hot over, like, over 82.

Can't 40, be and it can't be over 85 or something like that. And so I'm thinking the June in Los Alamos is pretty much that is our window. Right?

Yeah.

Yeah. The sun faces I mean, it's gonna hit that, and so he says he'll bring tints to shade. And but it's in general, it has to be this temperature. Temperature. So that's why we're shooting for the June. And that's for the installation. That's for the installation. Well, the installation and the community involvement sort of happened all at the same time. I am working with the library and the recreation department to put it on. We're thinking it will happen on the 3rd Floor of the library.

The providing the dates work out? So there's a big open conference room that they could set up their tables and leave them there for the there's three community engagement days. And so it could be locked. All the supplies could stay out and be locked up. And then there's a nice rotunda on the 3rd Floor in front of the step up gallery that could be utilized for some education parts of the like, one education of APP and just of this process as well and whatever, however you want to do that.

So when we get this date secured, I can work on marketing with the library and recreation and bring that back to you. And then there'll be lots of pieces that you guys can then help with. Since there's not a set working group for this one, I can lay out, here are all the things that need to be done.

Who wants to do it? I just want to

get the dates set first before and build everything around that. The Senior center security gate. Oh, did I oh, man. He's I asked he's got the first layer. Remember these gates are and the first layer is in.

I meant to email you the picture because I asked for a picture, he said and it's the one with the tree the part of the trees and But because there was some delay in payment and then purchasing of the supplies and then the supplies being delivered, they're a little bit behind. The contract stated a deadline of March 1, but they've asked for an extension to April 1. We're working on an amendment to the contract and we put in there April 30 just to give them extra time to make sure. So it's a little bit behind schedule, but it looks really nice so far. So I'll share with you guys.

I'll email you the picture, and then we can put the picture on for next month. Nature Center sculpture has been installed and all is well. And hopefully you guys have seen that. So it seems like we can take that off of the pending list. It's no longer pending. It's done. I haven't done anything about the ribbon cutting ceremony yet. After the installation, we had talked with the peak staff and the board. And they would like to combine the ribbon cutting with their Earth Day celebration in April. So hopefully you guys could be a part of that.

So it's the PEAK board and the PEAK staff and APP board all could be part of the ribbon cutting on Earth Day.

Do you

know that exactly or is it that because they tried to land it around them.

Yeah. They threw out, what, April 20 or something like that? I don't know. They said they would get back to me on details.

The eighteenth is a Saturday.

Might be the eighteenth?

Yeah. That's I know. Last year, it overlapped with Okay.

The lion sculpture. Like we said before, the designs are due on March 9. And so I guess once they come in, I can share it with the working group. You can pass it along. I guess I can make a draft of the survey. And I'll share the draft and the designs with the working group. And then you guys tell me what to do when you want to launch the survey, and I can work on that. Does that sound good to you?

Yeah. I just want make sure that they're looped in.

Sure. Okay.

I checked in with Parks about when the Appe Grove's installation remember, it's the new we got a new sign because it had been damaged. And so it's going to be installed in the next forty five days. It's the new estimate. So we'll see. And he's like, and the clock starts now. On on day

46, they'll put it in.

The White Rock Pottery relocation, I reached out to Pacific Coast just to let them know thinking, hold on. Like, we got the we got the relocation approved, but it's now gonna go to like, the the contractor who's doing the road trail project will be moving it. And I thought, well, maybe we better check with the art conservation. Might have some tips and tricks or some good the pros and cons about moving the clowns. They might have some ways of best practices to move this piece.

And so they asked for a little more detail. I gave them I remember Keith Wilson came and gave you guys a presentation. So I gave them a couple of those slides to show which pod it was and where it was being relocated from to. And they have their notes of the condition. They said it's in really good condition. And they would be happy to write up some instructions that I can then pass along to the project manager for that. So I feel better about that than just letting it be.

Is there questions on pending items? We will move on to the board staff communications. Staff liaison report.

I just have a few things. So I am out of town next week. I'm going to be in Cincinnati for a NRPA director school.

Is kind

of fun. But because but next week is the BNC luncheon that they have every quarter. And I usually attend to represent APP. I'm happy to write up the what happens is each board presents sort of what is happening on the board. And I usually write that up. I'm happy to do that. Thanks, I guess, tomorrow. But could one of you guys go? It's Thursday, March 5 from 11:30 to one. And it's in Council Chambers.

And Stephanie, you're still on the board, technically. So if you can

You could go. It's 11:30.

11:30 to one. They serve a nice lunch, and it is it's a good group of people just sharing everything that's going on with the boards.

Both of them.

Do you want to so you're going to go?

Do you

want to go?

No, I can't get away that day.

Okay. I can go.

Okay. Do you want to send so we need to give them what our talking points are or the agenda or the working do you want me to do that And send you a copy so you know what we're It's just essentially a summary of what we're working on. So I've been including pictures of the pieces that we've been planning on and sort of our progress with it. There's not a whole lot that's changed since I reported last, but I can

Other than like the bear, if you can share the paper.

Yeah. I'll include I did include the picture of the bear the last time, but that was before it was installed. And so I can include a picture of the bear with the artist in its place now. Maybe that would be interesting.

Talk about the fire station. I bet I could just step through the working groups and just see what each group is doing.

Sure. Okay. I'll put something together, and I'll send it to them so that they have it. And I'll send

it to you so

you know.

We don't have enough time. Off our list.

Okay. Sounds good. The Pacific Coast, their annual maintenance visit this year, we just set that this week. That will be August twenty eighth. So every year they come in August.

And they have a crew this year of four. And so they will go through and look at any of the pieces that they did not look at last year and pay attention to anything that their notes require. They're pretty good at keeping good notes and good track of what needs to be serviced and what can be left for the next year. We're not going to do anything with tranquility because the expense, the amount of time it takes to get into the pond and clean all of the, what did you say, has done, it outweighs the value of the piece. And so they're just letting it go until tell them otherwise.

Any questions on that? Chairman's report is I have nothing. So we'll move on to council communications. And then preview of the next meeting. I vote on a new chair.

I vote to

make a temperature and go

My second dad.

You got a vote. Sorry. Put that down.

We had talked if we the timing can work. I can try really hard to do it. We may have results of fire station thing. But it might be a really tight turnaround. It might have to wait till April.

But I know I know the project manager, all of you know, they would like direction as soon as possible. So we need we can't spread this out too much. So I'll hard at getting the at least the survey out if maybe it may be the I'll try. But then we can talk about that. Other than the working group updates?

Short meeting.

Does anybody else have anything they want to add?

We should have brought Stephanie the gavel, so she has one

last question. It's Okay.

You're all the station patient here. You. Yeah.

Oh, she just added stuff.

Fun stuff, though.

Right? That'll be

But they'll be not next week. The week after. So we'll be working that week.

I'll reach out to you guys. Maybe we should set that date. Maybe we should actually, can you send out an email to everybody and see if we can coordinate a working group meeting for toward the end of that week?

Well, really,

yeah, eleventh, twelfth, or thirteenth. See if, Right? If they come in on Monday, let's just give me a day to gather it up and get it into a good format or whatever. And then I can share that in a meeting. I don't know. What do you think?

I think that's good. Okay. So

you'll set that up.

I'll say, like, eleventh, twelfth, thirteenth, or, like, sixteen, seventeen?

Might be. Yeah. Might be hard. I mean, yeah, give as many options as possible, and we can all weigh in on when we can do it. The sooner the better.

Anything else? No. Then we will adjourn the meeting at 07:12.