Planning Board - Regular Meeting

with all the papers in there. Gotcha. And you're in the paper. I wrote a letter. Yeah. Okay. I'll call the landing planning board meeting to order for September 10th, 2025. There are six of us here tonight and I'll have to uh I'll appoint Tony to vote for Jake and uh Ryan to vote for Jeff. John just came in and uh get Jonathan here. So uh there's seven voting members. There's a quorum and uh we can actually have a meeting. So uh allegiance.

Oh, thank you. I haven't done this in a while so I'll need help. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thanks, Tony. You're welcome. That's why you moved me over. Yeah, that's I knew there was a good a good reason. Okay, tonight we uh first we do our administrative board work and then we have uh two plans. a discussion. So, uh there are no minutes to approve. So, we'll move to regional impact determinations. Are there any?

There are not. No determinations for the applications this evening, but Kristen has a letter in your file uh as a response to Derry that she'll speak to. Okay. You have the floor, Kristen.

Let me let me bring it up. Oh, here. Sorry. That's the email from her. Do you know what I named it? Sorry, I just Oh, here

that email from this one here. Okay, guess uh so it's a property called 5B Street in Derry and it's a 700 7,700 foot commercial building. Um I don't think I had any huge concern. Close enough now. Um we just get a little closer. Okay. We don't. Yeah. Or maybe it's not working.

It's on. Um, let's see. What did I write here? Um, so it doesn't meet the criteria for a regional impact determination. I just noted that any future development that may utilize the paved driveway crossing um might require a separate review if that is proposed in the future. Um, so we just keep an eye on it. Okie do. Okay. Board have any uh questions uh on this or comments? I don't see any. So, okay.

Mr. Chair, while we're here, could you dispense with the draft minutes and ask if it's okay to push that to the next meeting? We'll do that October 1st. First meeting because they just came out. So I haven't looked at at them uh yet. So everybody okay with that? Y if we push that? Yeah, we're good. Okay, good. Okay. Any further discussions with town staff?

One more uh for you, Mr. Chair. the Sergeant Road subdivision, uh, which you'll recall is the obviously the road right by Central Fire. Um, they were approved a couple of years ago now, and they're seeking a one-year extension, which would be October 2nd, 2026. Um, the developer is the same developer as the Winnie Estates subdivision, which is just finishing up. Uh, and so the developer requested an extension for this project because he's trying to wrap up the other before he makes any additional headway for Sergeant Road. So again, Sergeant Road subdivision extension request to October 2nd, 2026.

So I just need a motion to extend the uh extension request to the 2nd of October, 2026. So moved. Second. Moved by Tony, second by Jason. Any discussion by the board? Seeing none, all those in favor signify by saying I. I.

All those opposed say nay. Attentions. Okay. Affirmative. Uh motion passes unanimously. Anything else? That's it. All Kristen. Okay. So, uh we will move to our uh agenda and uh We have uh the first plan is a non-binding review in discussion in accordance with RSA 674 col54 for review of a water booster pump station on town owned land on a portion of the former Auburn Road landfill property in the area 58 Old Dair Road tax map 16 lot 23 zoned agricultural residential one town of Londereerry is the owner and town of Derry and Underwood Engineers Incorporated is the applicant. And I think uh just want to note that this is a public hearing also. And uh the application uh is complete. That corrected John?

Yep. There's no application. And again, this is a a uh RSA for the RSA to Yes. So I don't need to bother with that. So this this is just really for u you know input so the town knows what's going on and one municipality cannot basically tell another one what to do. That's statute and also I think there's tons of case law on it. Uh presentation presentation [Music] just uh name, address, company.

Good evening. My name is Tom Carrier. I am the director of public works for the town of Derry, New Hampshire. um here to just give a quick brief history on the project before we turn it over to our consulting engineers, Underwood Engineers, to talk about the details and to answer any questions that the board may have and to take any input from the public. Um this pump station that we're looking to construct on the Auburn Road landfill site uh is part of the Southern New Hampshire Regional Water Project. Uh that project was started in 2021. The intent of which is to bring ultimately 3 million gallons of drinking water from Manchester Waterworks through the dairy distribution system to the towns of Windham, Salem, Plastau, Atinson, and Hampstead. Uh the first phase was completed. Uh we are now providing 1 million gallons of water uh from Manchester through Derry to these communities. Um the need was predominantly on MTBE contamination, some PAS contamination and some uh supply well issues. Uh the state of New Hampshire came to Derry um late last year and had some remaining funds available under the American Rescue Plan. Um so this this project is really Derry's a facilitator of it. Um we're the ones that are constructing the infrastructure to get the water uh to southern New Hampshire. Um so it's funded predominantly the improvements in DARE funded through the state of New Hampshire. Um so there were some ties to that funding. It had to be ex uh expended by October of next year. So we're on a very tight timeline. Um, so this project hydraulically is necessary to get that extra 2 million gallons into the system. It also provides a redundant connection should our main feed, which comes in off of Manchester Road right now, uh, should that line go down. Um,

this has also been part of the dairy Manchester Waterworks master plan since the mid 1980s is to bring a second feed through this part of of uh, London. Um couple years ago, um Lorden Commons, a development which was approved by the London Planning Board. Their first phase had some issues with regard to their drinking water supply wells. When they went to develop the second phase, um they approached the town of Derry and asked if we would provide them municipal water. Uh we agreed to do that. Um, so we actually extended the dairy water main from our Scobby Pond um area um back through uh to uh I believe it's Kala Drive um or Clover. Can't remember which one is the southern one. Um so once that work was complete, it basically put half of the water line in necessary to complete the rest of the project. So we have the funding available. Um we looked for a site um we need to pump the water. Uh we had identified a couple of lots. One was on the Lorden Common site that was owned by the town of Londereerry. Um we were hoping to work with the town of Londereerry because it would be a much more expeditious process um than trying to secure easements from um any of the butters plus the land was available. Um and so this this site was recommended that we look at it through the town of Londereerry. we had um through John Trody was very helpful in in helping us network through EPA and got their go-ahad uh that this would be an okay use for the property. Um so that's that's pretty much the history of the project. Um I'm going to open it up to um Devin Smith. He's our project manager and David David Cedhome. He is um our engineer uh who's uh kind of facilitating the um the planning review process. Okay. Thank you. Thank Thank you for coming.

Good evening. My name is David Cedarholm and my name is Devin Smith. Thank you for having us.

We appreciate your time tonight. Um I'm going to run through a bunch of the details on the project. Uh thank you for bringing up our uh our site plans. Um the plan you're looking at right now is the survey plan that was prepared by our surveyor Ducet survey. Uh so they uh have surveyed the 50-foot rightaway uh which is located between um 56 and 60 Oldair Road. Uh it actually currently has a dra address of 58 Oldair Road. It's a 300 foot uh w 300 foot deep act uh rightway and um it was a bit of a challenge to redefine those corners um just because there are no uh there are no boundary corners for those particular lots nearby. Uh but Ducet has done a nice job uh redefining that right away and those back corners. Um the um the pump station is will be designed to uh with a pumping capacity of 3.2 million gallons per day uh which is approximately 2200 gallons per minute. Uh we're looking for a 1.5 acre easement that will be will include a 30foot uh driveway. U it's actually a 20 foot driveway but a 30 foot rightway for the easement. Uh and then it opens up once you get p once you get kind of beyond the back line of uh 56 Old Dair Road. Um the uh as I think as previous previously mentioned the site is the former Auburn Road landfill which is a

very large site and uh and there are actually multiple rightaways that were gated years ago uh off of Old Dair Road. Um the landfill itself is a super fund site. Um but all the contamination is on the far north end of the site and the groundwater flow is in a northerly direction. So uh the there's actually a uh a a boundary that limits any kind of development that is still another thousand ft north of of where we're proposing our our pump station. Um there are deed limitations on the landfill site um that uh that actually allow this type of development particularly in this portion of the site and EPA uh we had to actually write a letter to the EPA to get their approval and we've already received that and that letter actually is is uh I think the last page of this packet. Um the rightway um I'm sorry the water man that will be running down Old Dair Road it be a 16-in diameter water man so quite a bit of capacity and the 16-inch water man will will run up the rightway the under the street under the driveway and then a another 16inch uh water man coming out and then um heading east towards Derry we consider considered multiple other sites uh including and some of you folks might remember uh initially we were looking at a site um farther east on Old Dair Road across from uh across from 46 and 48 Oldair Road on a piece of conservation conservation land owned by the town that's adjacent to Lorden

Commons and we abandoned that site earlier uh this spring early summer due to just the the amount of impact it would have on the nearby residents. Um there are three other deed rightways into the landfill property along Old Dair Road. Each one of those has grading issues, wetland issues. They're fully they're fully wooded. Uh sight distance issue are are problems. This was actually one of the original access roads into the landfill site. And if you look at the historical photos, even going back to the 60s and 70s, this was a very defined access road into the landfill property. The um that's exactly the the the plan I was hoping you would bring up. So around the uh around the perimeter of the uh the pump station, you'll see a security fence um and a gate. The gate will be 300 ft in, so it's kind of even with the back line of uh of 56 Old Dair Road. Um you'll have trouble actually seeing it from Old Dair Road. Um and uh you will not be able to see the building from Old Dairy Road. So it it'll it'll be very discreet to both people on the street and also the immediate abutters. Uh we've included a second gate in the back of the site that essentially is the ex the continuation of the original access road so that London Derry will still be able to have access into the landfill property if they need.

The pump station building is approximately 50x 52 with a a small bumpout out the east side. Um, we've included some architectural render renderings of the building. Um, pump stations in particular are not the most exciting things, but um, we've we've given it at least a a gabled roof um, rather than a flat roof uh, which some folks sometimes object to. U, but so we've given it a little architectural detail. Um the um the pumps obviously are inside the building. So you will not actually hear the pumps. You would have to probably get right up close to the door to actually hear the pump. So that so you know as neighbors go this is about the quietest neighbor you could have. Um the um there will be visitors daily from from the from Lond from Derry to check on things at the pump station. there is they will have a remote SCADA systems to be able to monitor the site, monitor what's going on in the pump station, but typically they will visit the pump station every day. Um on about a monthly basis, there will be a delivery of chlorine, which is essentially household bleach. Uh inside the building will be a thousandgalon bulk storage tank for the chlorine. Um and and this is one of the reasons why the there is uh pavement that circles the building so the truck can come in and just turn around and and and pull straight out. Um there will be an emergency generator and you can see the the generator is in the back of the site there. So um the generator will be

screened. Uh it's opposite from the residence there at 56. So you I think you'd even have uh trouble hearing the generator when it's running that they would test it about once a month and let it run for for an hour or two. Um and um we've been in communications with both the immediate abutters and um have not uh have not had heard any issues. In fact, I've spoke with Steve Rue, who's at 56, and he indicated he had no issues with the project. Um, and um, we actually uh got to speak with Steve Rue and his family. They were at the at the town council meeting on August 18th, and we had a nice conversation with them outside afterwards. Um, there will be some some real benefits to the town. Um along that 16inch water man, we'll be installing a water services to the property line for each one of the residents and uh and also uh a a water main stub to Kala is it Kala Drive right up the street and uh so that in the future Lord that portion of Lorden Commons could tie in. Um there will be fire hydrants on Old Dair Road 8 every 800 ft. Um the booster pump station and having that water man handy will help a lot uh tremendously with the current PAS issues and uh and future PAS issues of any of the residents along Old Dair Road. Um and in and lastly, just having the availability of uh public water uh at your doorstep significantly improves uh your your property value sometimes

upwards of $30,000 per home. So uh so there's some real benefits to this project to to citizens of London area. So do you have anything to add? No, that was great. Okay. What I'll do uh get input from staff, have the board uh you know talk and then we'll go to the public for any input there. So, okay, John.

Yeah. Again, uh as as David indicated, I've been working with uh both Underwood Engineers as well as the town of Derry uh again looking at various locations and so I've been working with them pretty handinand and now we're finally getting to the pump station portion. the the for the uh the uh the water man work will commence uh next month in October. So you'll see that that work will will occur and uh de Devon and I and Underwood are uh working out some of the details as far as the drainage from the site, what's what's going to be generated, the access to Old Dair Road, site distance issues and and again they they're back at the board looking at the details of the the site itself. So I think it's in good shape. I think it's good to another reuse of the of the landfill. So

I I should also add to when when once the water man is done, there will be a full width overlay on Old Dair Road. Okay. Another super highway in town. Okay. You have anything, Kelly? Uh just wanted to note or reiterate um that the this is accessed via a right ofway and so the town council um approved for the town manager to work with Derry to execute an easement for utilization of that right away. They approved that back in August. So that's um just about wrapped up if not already wrapped up.

Thank you. Uh anything to add at all Kristen? Okay, we'll go to the board. I'll start with Ian. Um, this might be only for the audience's uh benefit. Is there any noise generated from the plant? Um, well, yeah, like I said, the the pumps are inside the building.

Uh, even inside the building, they're quiet when they run. So, so you you won't hear the pumps at all unless you were right up close to the door. Uh the generator, you might hear the generator as a as a quiet were it it is uh uh more than 400 feet off the road uh in that wooded area. So that you know so aside from the generator which would run uh just on a test basis, you know, about once a month, that's all you're going to hear from the building. Oh, that's good. That's I have a question for you.

The uh the water man 16 in wide. What's the thickness of the wall of that? I'm just curious. About a quarter inch, maybe 38. The thickness of it. And it's ductal. It will be ductal iron pipe. So, it's very sturdy pipe. Thank you. Sure. Appreciate that. All set? Yes, I'm all set. I always wondered. I don't have any questions. Thank you.

I might have a couple. Thank you, Mr. Chair. So, um, thank you for coming and, um, I'm actually glad to see that the building is really no view shed for the building cuz I was going to ask you for a Koopa, but it's not necessary. I like I like the little cricket over the front door though, so the workers won't get wet. Um, you mentioned though every day someone has to be in that building. I would maybe walk that back three times a week. Not necessarily. Their typical rounds are about twice a week. Yeah, that makes more sense. Yeah. Pickup truck drives in, they do a routine check. Yeah.

Thank you. And so how does the you're going to stub for potential to Cala Drive road, but h how do how do we how does the town of Londereerry guaranteed that there will be enough water available to them when and if they decide they want to use the stub? How is there something that could be written into agreements or how I don't understand how that works from a municipal standpoint? So, if you could help me with that, that'd be great. I mean, I could speak to it, Tom. You might be better to it, but

and first of all though to to Tony, they they need to look at the hydraulics, making sure that they can they can get the water to the top of the hill. Yeah. Well, yeah, that that was my next question. But again, but remember they're from their pump station pumping it back up to the dairy line. That's that's a significant hydraulic head that they got to uh overcome as well, which I think is is more than what it would be at the far end or the high point of Gallup. That that's correct.

And so my I'm sorry that so my my interest is in ensuring that the Londereerry residents will get to use that water that's passing through Londereerry. So as it's this project is obviously funded through the through the state of New Hampshire. So there's a vested interest that the state has and it's being funded in part with funds for addressing contamination issues. Um the franchise area itself right now um is Manchester Waterworks. So, we still have one more um step in this process and it doesn't necessarily have to be done, you know, prior to the construction, but we need to go back to the public utilities commission and work with Manchester Waterworks and allow Dairy to be the franchise or of the water system uh the water in this area. So, once Derry then becomes owning the franchise, which we already own Lorden Commons, so we have already franchised that. We did that back when Lorden Commons presented. Um as far as the guarantee, the project is designed uh there would be sufficient flow for um addressing the uh the demand in that area. Um I I suppose that that might be a mechanism. So we haven't uh finalized the easement agreement yet with the town manager. Okay.

So that may be something that the board could convey to the town um town administrator, town manager. um that somehow put warding into the easement agreement that would address that concern. I would as one person like that very much to ensure that that the locals on that street because I know there's some issues already there um that when and if they decide they want it costs aside that that there's enough water in the pipe. Right. that that if in in three years or four years or whatever it is or two years

they say okay we want to do that and then the franchise owner says sorry you know what downstream we had a lot more outflow than we thought and so sorry we don't we don't have water to provide for you and I I would I would think that that there needs to be some kind of mechanism to ensure that and Debbie could address the demand that's all been factored into the design yeah I mean just to speak to Derry's demand And they use about 1.6 million gallons per day, just dairy. And they have a wholesale supply agreement with Manchester Waterworks. 2.9.

Yeah. And I was just running some quick numbers. If there's 200 homes there that each uses 100 gallons per day, that's 20,000 gallons. So it's kind of a drop in the bucket. Got it. and and the public utilities commission in their review of the franchise uh petition would want to make certain of your exact concern that Derry would have enough capacity to serve the area before they would allow Yeah. So, John, is that something that you can convey to the town manager or Kelly or whomever? um the the concern and I don't know if the board agrees with me or not but I I I personally regarding down notes now and and again as Tom indicated it hasn't been finalized so we'll make sure that that's included.

Thank you. Does the board agree with Tony? Yeah. Yes. Okay. And then my last thing of confidence. Thank you. I'm all about that validation is good at 7:30 at night. Um, so, um, is it also possible, because I've I've personally seen this happen. Can we detail the hours of the day the generator exercises? Of course,

because I've seen it. I've I've been a part of it where it's 2:00 in the morning. No one thought that would be a big deal. And I would like to see that also quant quantified put on a, you know, and it doesn't have to be crazy, but between 1 and 4 in the afternoon or between, you know, whatever. We could speak to the abutters and ask what their preference is. That would be perfect. Even better. And just to clarify that run time, it's typically once a week for 10 to 15 minutes. Um, sometimes you can extend it to every other week. Sure. Yeah. Mine is 20 minutes every other week, but yeah, I'm not running a pump station. Same thing though.

Makes noise. Thank you. I th those two things I think could could be very important. So, if you could make some notes to to make sure those abutters are asked when do you want it on? Maybe they want it on at 2 in the morning. I I don't know. I wouldn't, but we typically like to run it while we're staffed um in case it doesn't run or something comes up. That's why we exercise it. So, it's typically during business hour sense. Yep. Thank you for that. I'm all set, Mr. Chair. Thank you. You're welcome. I am all set. Thank you. I'm all set. Thank you. All set.

Okay. Are there any abutters or any members of the public have any questions, comments, concerns in regards to this plan? And could you move the microphone up to the podium there? And uh I need your name and address, please.

Good evening. I'm Peter March. Uh I own Duck Puppy Property 60 or Dairy Road which is a director Butter. I'd like to make a comment about the uh gentleman's uh assertion that he spoke to a Butters. I've never met him in my life before. The notice was given incorrectly to it was ultimately sent to my home address, which is the correct address, but it was not sent to me. It was sent to a realtor that sold me a house 30 years ago. So, I'm not quite sure how that happened and I have never spoken to you in my life. I I apologize. I intended to say that we corresponded. I sent you an email with the correct address on it. Yes.

So, uh anyway, none nonetheless, I have a couple of questions. Um is there going to be a fence down the uh easement the easement road between my property and the uh and the road? How you going to demar demarcate it? The intent was just to have the fence um in the back area. Yep. Not any. Okay. There would be a gate uh about here. Okay. Do you intend to have any lighting on the property? Uh the intent is to have be dark normally. Uh there would be a motion activated light if someone was trespassing at night.

Um and there would be a switch if an operator needed to turn the light on to, you know, look for tools in his But normally it would be dark. Okay. Thank you. Those are my only questions. Thank you. Okay. You're welcome. Thank you. Thank you. Anyone else?

Evening. Uh Ray Pson, three Gary Drive. Uh I listened to this and I also listened, I believe, when this was presented before. Um, I'm speaking as a private citizen of London, but uh I am also on the utility committee, the water subcommittee, uh, and the hazardous waste and sewer committee. Uh, but I'm speaking as a a private citizen here. And, um, my my question or my concern is this. um what in fact is the benefit to the citizens of London area and I've heard uh the presentation here and I understand what was said but um there is currently on old Deline and there is also hydrants. So, I'm wondering uh whether the intent is to um remove those lines. We're talking about a 16inch line. Now, uh the water comes uh down Bodwell Road uh and crosses the line and which becomes Oldair Road which crosses Auburn Road uh and that is where the feed comes from. Uh now we're talking about um hooking in with dairy so that dairy can um somehow be involved with uh pumping the water um through dairy, pulling it through London. and and I I really have a problem seeing the benefit

to the town of Londereerry when we have here in the town of Londereerry 5 million gallons uh that uh I don't see where we're getting a benefit from and that 5 million gallons uh recently uh Manchester Waters put in a 30-in line to hook in with the line on Rockingham Road which is the line that then feeds down uh through Derry to the Derry very pump station to pump it over the hill uh to Windham and beyond uh Salem, Windham, Atkinson, Plasto and and um the town of Londereerry should be getting more benefit out of all of this. Uh this is being uh financed by state money which came from the federal government by the way and I'm not seeing where the town of Legendary is getting much benefit out of this. Um so I have questions and I think other folks should have questions. The town of Londereerry has serious issues with water. We all know that. We have serious issues with contamination. We have people on Old Dair Road that have a problem with contaminated water. Um, and I think there needs to be a lot more thought about uh that the town of Londereerry should be getting a lot more benefit out of all of this water. We're now pumping uh over a million gallons south through London. We're now going to be pumping potentially, I don't know, another 2 million gallons, 5 million gallons, whatever through London Derry. And we have serious issues with water here in L town of Londereerry. And um I don't see us getting much benefit.

What are the benefits you are looking for, Ry? What are the benefits we're looking for? you were looking for uh as part of this monies uh some of it should be coming directly to Londereerry rather than putting an additional line that is not going to benefit London much at all because keep in mind there's already a water line on Old Dair Road and if somebody wants to correct me on that and say Ray you're wrong can I yes go ahead go ahead So, the water man stops at Clover. The um if you scroll down a little bit, is that the town line?

No, that's where Derry's water line ends. And we are connecting it to the intersection of Auburn and Old Dair with a 16. So, we're not repl So, wait a minute. Wait a minute. That line's already there on Old Dair Road in London to that street, but there's a gap between it and Auburn and Old Dair Road that the intent of this project is to close that gap and make a second connection. So, Can I help you for a minute? Yeah, go ahead. Yeah. So, Henry, you're absolutely right. There's a there's a fire hydrant at the intersection of uh Auburn and Old Dair Road. Yeah. And there's no connection there. Can I finish, please? Go ahead.

Yeah. So, then it stops there. It truncates there. That's the end of Manchester's system. What? And then the end of Dair system comes down Old Dair Road comes down Old Dair Road from the town line and stops at Clover. Okay. So between Clover Yeah. and to the west Yeah. to the Go ahead. I'm sorry. Yeah. To Auburn Road. There is no water mane in Old in that portion of Old Dair Road. Well, I I've traveled that road and I've seen fire hydrants. Oh, take a look again, Ray. From from the intersection. Uh maybe um take a We can take a ride right now if you'd like. We can take a ride.

Okay. Soon as we're done, let's go. No, watch. I'll show you. Watch this. Watch this little trick, Ray. Okay. No tricks. We don't want any tricks. We want straight. Watch. It's there, right? All going together here. See the fire hydrant? Yeah. Where are you? I'm at the intersection of Old Dair and Auburn Road. Watch out for that big truck. Right. The stop sign is a four-way stop. You with me? I'm with you. Okay. And then there's there's the fire hydrant. Now, road. No. Old Dair Road. Old Dairy Road. That's a little confusing. Okay. Go ahead. No, it's a four-way intersection. Now we're heading westerly. Westly, excuse me. Eily. Eily.

Heading eastily. I don't see any hydrant yet. Any hydrants there, Ray? Not yet. This is This is the the access to the pump station site. That's Mr. R's house there. Uhhuh. We're continuing down. Yeah. What's that? Oh, you you missed it. What do you want to see? Go back. Mailbox. I saw something. Oh, sorry. Keep on going. Okay. This was one of the sites that was considered coming up on our right. What's that? What's that red thing on the right there? It's not a fire hydrant. Wait a minute. I'm asking a question. Yeah, it's not a fire hydrant. How do you know?

Where are you? Because it's trash can. It's a computer generated dot. It's not a It's not a We'd be saving so much money if there was a water man there already. There is trash can. Recycle bin. I swear. But But it's not the water coming down Bwell Road. It's at the curb. That intersection. Somebody watch for hydrant. Where's the gap? We're headed toward dairy there, Ray. Correct. There's This is uh Kala. That's a a reflector on a utility pole coming through the S-curves. Is it by pheasant or whatever they call it? Feeasant.

Clover. You'll find the first hydrant. Correct. Right there. There you go. There you go. And that is Clover. We're good. And can I ask what benefit is this to the town of Derry? Well, um, like I said before, go ahead. That's a good question. Yeah.

So, this was negotiated with, um, Senator Morse many 19 2019 or so. Um, so there was a lot of pressure on Derry at the time to participate in this project because it was necessary for Derry to be part of it because we had just completed a water main project. Um, so ordinarily what we would have done was be charging our water rates to the downstream customers and it was through some negotiations with the state and the downstream communities that we limited that um that amount to a dollar per 100 cubic feet. So the town of Derry charges $1 per 100 cubic feet to wheel the water through our distribution system. So that's what Derry receives in return. Um I can tell you that the electric costs alone with the existing pump stations that we have take about 35% of that just the electric cost to pump the water. And now we're building another pump station. So we will start generating revenues when we get more to the 2 1/2 3 million gallons a day. Uh but then those numbers are going to be offset by the cost to maintain this infrastructure because we're going to be responsible for maintaining the hydrants, maintaining the pump stations, paying the treatment costs. Um so there's a lot of costs involved. This really isn't about dairy making money. It never has been. No, I can see that

this is this is truly about honestly it was the town of Plastau. Town of Plastau was in a very serious situation um with regard to water supply. Manchester stepped up. Derry stepped up. Town of Salem stepped up. Town of Salem actually took over the water system in Windham in order to make this happen. So it really was a great venture between these communities. is it wasn't about trying to profit. And the state has been excellent um in in that endeavor as far as uh managing the project, getting the um communities together to make this happen um and getting it at reasonable rates that made it affordable by the time it went through Manchester system, Dair system, Salem system, Hamster Dairy Water Company system, and then to the town of Plast. Can I ask who who has the franchise for water in the town of Derek?

Ray, uh what there's other people might want to talk also. So you shouldn't occupy the uh the podium if I can. Okay, Ray, the the other thing is I just want to remind you we do not have approve or deny authority on this. This is advisory. So we can't tell them that they can't do it. Well, as Jason said, this is advisory to them. It's up to them to do. We we we can't we can't tell them you you can't do it. This is this is advisory. That's fine. I I understand that. And I'm not suggesting necessarily it should not happen. My my concern is what is the benefit to the town of London?

That that is my concern. They've already answered that, Ray. Well, it's it's it's obvious. No, it's it's potential might. Yeah, but I I'd like to let other people to uh Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. If you have other people want to speak. Absolutely. I I would assume that the the residents on the rest of Old Dair Road will be able to get water eventually. Yes. Correct. It'll pass them. So, it will benefit the the residents in that area eventually. Like that gentleman back there, which which is going to cost money. Yes. Correct. Going to cost money. Cost money. everything cost they're to them.

I I can't speak to that. I don't I don't handle we don't I don't handle that. But I'm I I don't know. But the bottom line is there's no source of water there. And to me, I think that's great. I also think it's help great to help other communities. Derry's a great neighbor, great community. They're not even doing it for themselves. They're doing it for Plastau moving down.

This is kind of New Hampshire way. We all kind of help each other. So, it's they're building a building on they're paying for everything and they get and our our neighbors and and residents on Old Dair Road get that benefit. That's great. I would I would like that to be everywhere and maybe we'll get there someday. But if we can do a piece at a time, that's where we are. And it's not going to cost us It's not going to cost a town anything. Yeah. Go ahead. Ann, does Auburn Road have any water? Yes. Oh, I'm sorry. I was supposed to answer that. The length of it. What was that? Yes.

All the way down the bypass. No, not not to the bypass to Whispering Pines. Uh, so so just to I want to put a bow on what Ryan was saying. Um, please, Mr. Chair. Thank you. So, so a more pointed question. How many homes on Old Dair is it Old Dair Road will have access to water? A dozenish. You can count the lots. I believe it's about 10. Okay. But it's every lot we pass gets a water service. So, everyone along the way, 10 homes there. And then if the people on Kala if if that comes to fruition, there's How many homes are up there? Anybody know?

Closer to 200 200 200 or so homes. We I think it's in the 50 55 in the first phase I'm hearing. But then there's other phases that potentially they got water. Thank you. Um so so those are homes that currently don't have access to water. No different than what's going on high range road now. Those people are going to have access to water or they're going to have to pay for it. It's the same thing. This is access to water. So to London residents that don't currently have it and for that for that portion

there's state initiatives so that if you have PAS contamination I believe you can receive up to $10,000 to receive a water service and I believe there's a resident in the back of the room that is going to benefit from that and this project. Sure. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. You have any comments back there at all or you're all set? All set. Okay. Terrific. Anyone else? Seeing none, uh, there is no decision on this at all. It's only recommendations from the board and from town staff because this is another municipality. I have one followup, please. Tony, sorry. I'm sorry. That's all right.

The um, one thing that came to my mind was you you're talking about maintenance, the right of way maintenance, plowing, potholes, whatever is also paid for by the town of Derry. the access to the pump house. That's our responsibility. So that that entire rightway is going to be maintained. No cost to London area. Correct. Thank you. Is there a driveway Tony? Yeah. Just had to people watching booth just had to ask gate to get to had to had to be asked and answered. So thank you. Absolutely. Any questions of us? Don't think so. Thank you. Appreciate the input. Our staff is great. So the work continues. So

it's been really great to work with the engineering department and and planning. Everybody's been great, Tom town manager as well. So we appreciate it. Okay. Thank you.

You're welcome. Thank you. Next, we have a public hearing on an application for formal review of a site plan for approximately 60,000 square foot warehouse, associated site improvements, and a conditional use permit for 6,100 square ft of wetland buffer impacts in the industrial 2 district. 17 Delta Drive, tax map 14, lot 21-12-17 and uh 22 Delta Drive, the uh the owner owner and applicant uh LLC. So, uh I I know some of you gentlemen, so just introduce yourselves for our records, please.

Excuse me, Mr. Chair. May you need to accept the application. Okay. Uh this application is uh staff has indicated it is uh well we do need to uh is one waiver for acceptance use only. Correct. So I will need a uh a motion. I'll make I'll make a motion to accept the application complete. Okay. And then that we also uh uh We there's a waiver here. Okay. Applicant has not provided copies of proposed ease of deeds for so it's just waving waving that for acceptance purposes only. So

so it's not all written out here Ryan. So I I'm just uh go for it. Look at that two paragraphs. So uh but I have a motion by Ryan. Do I have a second? Second for completeness. Uh second Johnny. And then u any discussion by the board on completeness seeing none. All those in favor signify by saying I. I. I. All those oppose say nay. Extensions and share votes. Permittive. The application has been accepted as complete. This starts a 65day time frame and public hearing. So thank you John. Yeah.

Good evening Mr. Chairman. Uh Earl Bladford from Imeg representing the applicant. Um, also here tonight is Sean Smith, uh, 17 and 22 Delta owner, um, R.J. Kelly Company.

And also in the audience, uh, is Greg Smith from GSD Associates, who is the, uh, architect working helping us with the building design on the project. If there's any questions, uh, Greg's available for that. Um purpose application is we're seeking site plan uh approval and uh conditional use permit approval uh for uh a proposed warehouse development um at 17 Delta Drive just west of the uh culde-sac. So, at the very easterly end of Delta Drive, about a half mile east of the intersection with Harvey Drive and just south of the of the airport, um the um lot just quickly the lot information, uh map 14, lot 211, uh zoned industrial 2, uh it's approximately 4.15 acres, uh and is predominantly ly new growth uh wooded um the lot was has been previously cut uh I think back in the time frame when the uh subdivision uh was originally developed. Uh the lot has 300 ft of frontage and the average depth of the lot is approximately 600 ft. Um topography is moderate from road back uh sloping back towards the back of the lot uh with total relief of about 30 feet. Um soils are well to moderately well drained um soils in the development area. Uh there is a uh small wetland area which is actually part of the uh little Kohas marsh approximately two ten of an acre uh kind of extends uh onto the property

that has a 100 foot buffer associated with it. Uh and that is within um a uh existing conservation easement that was granted to the state of New Hampshire when um the um Echo Shoe Company owned the property and the 15 Delta um uh Delta Drive property adjacent to it. Sold that property to them, granted them an easement. Um I don't I can't remember the exact year but it was several years ago. Um the uh there's also a small finger of wetland which extends from that same lot to the east. It's actually it's actually on an old um hall road which uh there was a gravel pit on that lot uh that 15 Delta Drive lot. Uh don't know all the history of it, but uh we have a couple of exhibits.

Was a high school drinking spot. Yeah, it's probably not as comfortable as it used to be. It's pretty overgrown. Oh, it was it was pretty hot in the 70s.

Yeah, it probably was a lot more accessible. But we have a couple of exhibits. Uh this one is from the town JS. And there's also an aerial photo which kind of illustrates um the where the gravel pit area was uh immediately to the east. Um and the so the gravel the the um access or the hall road cuts across the back of uh this site and then it turns north and it heads uh up towards the airport. Um it gets up to where the old trolley tracks rightway is or the rail trail rightway uh and it parallels uh at least the remnants of it parallel the rail trail and kind of ends at the airport. So it seems best guess is that it was it was a hall operation uh for some phase of the airport construction is our best estimate of what it was for. But anyway, it is uh been enacted for quite some time. This photo, I think, is from 2017. We kind of chose it because you can see their the ruting. You can see the tire marks and whatnot. Uh, which unless that was Tony uh tearing around out there in high school.

No, no, I wasn't. I was a high school teacher. Oh, you teacher? I was I was up there bust. I was busting kids up there students. No, I wasn't. See See this? I was not in high school then. you can see, but thank you.

But you can see the skid marks there, you know, the skiitter uh tire tracks throughout there. So, it's clear it's an old gravel operation. Um but uh and another feature which is kind of unusual, but there is a large uh earth and boulder burm which runs adjacent to the hall road across the back of our lot and it continues all the way uh along that old gravel um pit area and it creates a buffer between that which the gravel pit has become jurisdictional wetland over time just because I think they excavated down right down to the water table. Uh, and it's vegetated. It's it's just developed jurisdictionally. But that that uh boulder uh earth and boulder berm creates a natural protective barrier between uh that wetland, the drainage from our site which runs into that wetland and the uh the marsh area. So anyway, that's a little background. I'm getting uh a little off the site, but just to give you an understanding what kind of what's going on out there uh with the wetlands. Um the uh site it's it's abuted on all side by uh properties that are zoned industrial to same as this property. Uh uh to the west is the true green uh property. Um to the north and the east are two um state of New Hampshire owned uh conservation lots uh which wraps around the one to the east of us continues wraps around most of the culde-sac uh directly across the street is an undeveloped industrial lot which is uh also owned by the applicant and to the southeast I'm sorry to the southwest

uh is where uh Megapods has uh moved in uh to the old echo shoe building. Um, so everyone around us is uh is industrial. A lot of it is undeveloped and will never be developed. Uh, so really besides us, there's only one other lot uh that has development potential. The um so that's kind of the the overview of the existing site. uh propos proposed development is for a uh 59,460q ft uh warehouse with pertinent site development. Uh we've got two proposed curb cuts um which uh provides adequate uh access egress also provides uh good circulation uh around the building for tractor trailers uh and for fire apparatus. Um uh there are two uh loading docks uh recessed loading docks for tractor trailers uh and larger trucks as well as a ramp and overhead door uh for smaller vehicles to pull into the building uh in the back of the site. Um there's a driveway 24ft driveways on the east and the west side to access from front to back. And then in the front of the building uh there is uh a parking lot for 19 proposed parking spaces. Um the uh storm water management uh design is a closed drainage system. So basically catch basins, manholes and underground pipe. Um the um structures catch basins and um drain manholes are equipped with uh deep sumps and gas hoods to pre-treat the

storm water uh in accordance with uh dees um requirements. Um there are two underground detention uh systems. uh one which is a pipe and stone uh system on the under the east side driveway or the right side driveway um and the other is a pre-cast concrete uh structure under the westerly driveway um adjacent to the true green site. And then those all uh continue to flow towards the back of the site and the entire system discharges at two locations into an open storm water basin at the back of the site. Um and we have worked right up adjacent to that conservation easement. Uh the only place that we actually intrude into that is with our outfall from the basin and drainage structures are allowed in that but we've kept everything else out of it as is outlined um in the um conservation easement uh deed uh as I previously uh stated. So, this basin discharges out uh on the north side and then it actually gets into that old um hall road which flows to the east onto the state property and again uh is uh that area is buffered uh from the marsh itself um uh by that that burm. Uh and the runoff that comes from our site goes into that old gravel pit area. There's a low point kind of in the middle. Uh it doesn't have an outlet. So basically the water goes in there and it either um it either evaporates, it's taken up by the uh

trees out trees and plants out there or it it it percolates into the water table where it's able. Uh although I suspect it's fairly high out there. As I said, they over they excavated down I think as far as I could go and hit the water table. um proposed sewer service. Uh there's a small office uh that's part of this warehouse building in the front left corner or the south west corner of the building uh where there are bathrooms and kitchen, what have you. Uh there's a sewer service that comes out of that uh and ties in to existing 8 in main in Delta Drive. Uh there's also a second sewer service proposed out of the back of the building uh which will tie into the 12-in uh sewer main uh in the back of the site. The existing sewer man, which currently is in a location that coincides with our uh detention basin, we're proposing to relocate that around the basin. Uh it's a slightly longer run, but uh pretty much at the same slope. Um, and so we have a second U service that comes out and ties into that relocated 12-inch main. They're both gravity services. No pumps required. Um, the uh water uh natural gas, power and communications services uh all come into the front of the building uh from uh existing services in Delta Drive. Um the um site lighting uh which is shown on the plans. Um the um is primarily building mounted fixtures. Uh we've got four polemounted fixtures. We have two adjacent to the one each adjacent to the

driveway entrances and then there are two polemounted uh fixtures in the back. They're all full cut off. uh LED fixtures uh which is pretty standard uh these days uh and conforms uh the phototrics uh and all of the design factors coincide with or meet the town's um site lighting regulations. Uh proposed landscaping is shown on the landscaping plan if you've had a chance to look at that. Uh most of the planting occurs uh in the front of the site. Um and um So, that's been reviewed by staff. I think we're in good shape with that. Um, permits and approvals uh that we have uh applied for and and received um or are in progress. Uh the first thing we got uh was from the FAA. We applied for u four um aeronautical studies for the four building corners. uh and we received the uh approval in the form of determin determination letters that said there was no hazard to um um to aviation and to the airport. Uh we received that on March 3rd. There are copies of that in your file. Uh we met and received a posit recommendation from the heritage commission for the building and other site uh aspects. Uh we met with them on May 22nd and pretty much got unanimous uh positive recommendation to the planning board. Uh we met twice with the conservation commission uh and received a positive recommendation on June 10th uh with regards to the pros uh proposed uh conditional use permit application which is before you tonight. Um that

application uh is for uh disturbance of the buffer of 20,645 square ft. Uh and if you break that down between uh the 100 foot buffer for the Little Kas Marsh, the disturbance in that area is 14,650 square feet, which we've highlighted uh in yellow on our plan uh at least some of our plans. And um the balance of that is 595 square ft uh which we show in green which is the disturbance of the 50ft uh buffer from that uh former gravel pit area which uh is large enough to have a buffer but it's it's really just it's a man-made wetland. So it has a 50-ft buffer. Um there are no disturbances to any jurisdictional wetland. So, it's really uh just for the buffer disturbance. Um we have received all of our utility clearance letters and you should have copies of those in your file. Uh the traffic study uh was submitted reviewed by Stantech and they've signed off on it without any comments. Um we have we submitted to for uh fishing game review as part of our alteration of terrain uh permit application. uh that's a requirement of the permits. Now uh we received comments from them have addressed and resubmitted to them and their uh sign off should be uh is we should receive that shortly. Uh same with the uh dees alteration of terrain permit. We received comments uh we recently uh addressed all of those and resubmitted to them and we expect the alteration tra permit to be issued shortly. Um we um received the DRC and Stantech

comments uh during from the design review uh process. Uh we've responded to those comments um revise the plans accordingly. Uh and today we received there are some follow-up comments um and um that we still need to address, but they're pretty much of a housekeeping nature. There's a few things we need to discuss with staff uh especially public works and just agree on uh on a couple items but I would characterize them as mainly housekeeping items. Um and um that brings us to the two waiverss uh that we're requesting. Um the first one is uh from section 3.08b.3 08B.3 uh driveways and we're requesting that uh an 86 separation 86 ft separation between our proposed westerly driveway and the existing easterly driveway of the true green site be allowed where the regulation calls for 200 feet of separation between driveways on the same side of the street. Uh and it also calls for 50 ft of separation between a driveway and a uh and a public road intersection. Um the because of the location of this site at the end of uh Delta Drive um with conservation land beyond us and the only potential further development is across the street. Um there there's really no uh pass through traffic. It's a very, if you driven down there, is very quiet. Uh, everyone exiting the, um, whichever driveway um, from the True Green site, they're turning right out of their driveways and heading towards

Harvey Road. Um, and this site as uh as was uh detailed in the traffic study and with 14 employees and uh very light uh truck delivery um it's just not much traffic at the site and we we feel that this is a reasonable request. One of the extingu circumstances is that the existing driveway and the true green site's only 50 feet from our um our property line, the common property line. And I guess for this regulation to be more feasible and equitable, they would have to be 100 feet from us. So, but we think it's a very reasonable request, we're comfortable with the separation. Um, so that's the first uh waiver that we're requesting. Uh the second one is uh from section 3.09.D. Uh the number of required uh off-site parking spaces. Uh if you do the calculation of one uh space per 1500 square ft, this building um needs 40 spaces, but with 14 employees on site, um we're providing 19 spaces. So, we're requesting a waiver that um the board allow us to build 19 parking spaces uh where 40 spaces are required for a building of this size. Um we've also uh I guess to give a kind of expand this discussion, we've also submitted a uh alternative plan for the board to discuss with the board tonight. It wasn't formally submitted before. We submitted it uh about a week ago uh to staff and asked them to u get it to you so we can talk about it tonight. Uh what it shows is uh us reducing the size of the building by approximately 5,000

square feet where we can pull the front of the building back um move the parking the 19 parking spaces and that drive aisle back 20 ft and create a reserve area on the street side of the driveway where future parking could be built. Um this we've sort of looked at or um kind of options for reserve areas for parking. Uh and it's really on site the options were very limited. Um so the they looked at potential for providing it across the street with the lot they own. It didn't seem to be a viable option. So, we're putting this option forward uh as a way to and again the spaces we show on this um we're showing 18 future spaces. What happens if you reduce the building uh by 5,000 square feet and the required number of parking spaces goes from 40 down to 37? We're providing 19. So we're showing 18 future spaces uh on this plan which is in that detail uh in the on the right side of the plan. So this plan this option um you know provides that reserve area where uh the spaces could be built in the future if there's a need. Uh on the flip side, this is a smaller building uh which would mean less tax revenue from the property for the town. Um, so we're kind of putting, you know, both options uh on the table uh for the board to comment on and um let us know if they've got a preference which way to go. Um we're hoping that with uh the review process we've been through and where we're at in the process, we're hoping we're in a position to get a come away with a conditional approval from the board

tonight. Um depending on which way this goes, if the board is prefers the plan that's up on the screen now with the smaller building and the reserve parking, uh it's a pretty simple change actually. Uh minor it's basically, you know, moving things over but keeping the same configuration and just creating a 20 foot uh landscaped area where future parking could be built. Uh we've adjusted the drain three drainage structures over that same 20 ft, but all of the drainage functions exactly the same. So you there's a minor um impact decrease. Uh even if those spaces are built, there's a little less paved area. So it's a less impactful option, but is also less tax revenue. But we would ask if this is the way you want to go and if you're ready to uh to grant a conditional approval that you would allow staff to uh review the changes on this administratively along with the other comments that are outstanding. Um that is um our presentation. Uh happy to uh answer any questions uh that the board or anyone in the audience has. Um, again, if there's any building questions, we'll get Greg Smith to come up. Or site lighting questions, we'll get Greg to come up and answer those. Uh, anything I can't answer, uh, I will call for Sean. I'll call Sean out of the bullpen and see.

Okay. Uh, what I'll do is, uh, go to our staff for input there, then the board, and then to, uh, public.

Mr. Chair, members of the board, uh Earl gave a pretty detailed uh happenings of what's going to happen at the site. Again, as he indicated, the uh the staff comments are mainly housekeeping items. As far as the the uh the reduction or the creating that reserve parking area for the future, that's something that the town has always uh we would always agree to uh not not constructing all the required parking out there, but they always indicated a reserve area for in the future the their tenant that they're going to have their initial tenant moves out of there. where is all that parking going to occur? So, I would strongly s uh recommend that you that you look at at the waiver would be in my mind would be not to uh construct all the required parking associated with this plan in front of you.

But to create the space for reserve, correct? Yeah. And that way in the future if there's a problem they the code enforcement can go out there and say you you need to fix you need to to build this. To be clear though we're still constructing the drainage drainage. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. And could I make just one point?

Yes. is our approach to this would be we are we will detail what those future uh the the construction details of those future parking spaces so that it wouldn't necessitate coming back to so basically the parking would be phased but you'd be approving I guess the design of all of them so it wouldn't be required to come back to the planning board to add those spaces they would already be in a approved plan if that makes sense that makes sense to us uh if that makes sense to you. Yes. Yeah, we've done that before. That's not That's not unusual.

Nothing new. You just had to you had to build all the all the infrastructure drainage and whatever and slopes and e and all that stuff to to as as if you were building the extra spaces but you're just not going to put the top will it actually covers more than what that but it it will the pipe system the whole system will be designed that includes the future uh pavement area. Good.

And Mr. Mr. Mr. Chairman, if I may briefly um just to tack on to that, I based on our last um our last development here in 2022 that we completed over on Aviation Park Drive, similar size building, um the assessed value of that one would you probably be looking at about a $7,500 a year um hit on your taxes just on this side, just based on what the other one's been assessed by making the building smaller.

By making the building smaller. Yes, sir. And so I I wanted to make sure you guys had that information. Obviously, we understand, you know, we we've been through this um with you guys before. Uh it's actually a wonderful process, a very detailed process. Um but it makes every project we bring before you better. Um and we understand you always look for those reserve areas of course. Um but in any case where the planning board may look to um not do their typical process, it would be in a situation like this. And that's not our decision. Obviously, you know, John has his opinion and the board will have their opinion, but we wanted to make sure you had all that information in front of you, even though we understand that we may be going to a smaller building. So, um, thanks. That's all. Anything else, John?

No, I'm all set. Kelly, all set. All set. Kristen, um, either option seems okay welldesigned. We'll go through the board. You want to start? Yes. I think that's very forward thinking. um considering and I appreciate you looking ahead and um to possibly another use in the future. I think that's a very good way to get a acceptance. Thank you, Johnny.

Yeah, I I mean I think it's a great use for the pro well I think it's a great building for the for the for the zone and in the area. Um, I think it would be kind of unfair for us to look at and say, you know, we understand it's only 14 users here and you need 40 spots, but you can deliver 37 or wherever the math was. I kind of forget it as you went through it. Um because we we've really required that everybody because we've always looked at it from a perspective of we understand you only have 14 employees but the next person moving in that's allowed by zone may not have the same thing. So you got to be fair across fair and balance across the board. And I think you need to provide for that future parking even though I get the point that you lose 5,000 square feet of building and don't want to see it be forced to do that but you know that's what we require everybody else. So

again we completely understand that but we felt in any any situation that the board might look at it differently this might be it. So we wanted to make sure you had all the information in front of you but I appreciate point of view. I think nicely done. So

uh thank you Mr. share. Yeah. And to and to just to keep beating the horse, the the parking thing is um we we have buildings all over town before or certain ordinances came to be that it's a mess. There's cars everywhere. They're in other people's driveways or in rightways. They're in it just it gets crazy. And so and that's how that additional parking came to be, right? because we had all this nonsense going on and it's still happening in some of the buildings that were built in the 60s and early 70s cuz the, you know, the ordinances didn't didn't take care of it correctly. But, um, that said, um, to be clear, this is a warehouse building.

That's right.

So, so again, for the general public, because people do watch these tapes uh on demand, it's a hit item. We should be charging like five bucks every time someone watches, but we don't. Um the the the um the the fact is the m the majority of this building is going to be warehoused warehouse high bay stuff is going to be in there. You have a small area in the front where people will work, push papers, whatever on on computers or whatever. You probably have some a couple guys running around with forklifts in the back u moving stuff around, loading the loading your trucks and whatnot. Um and so that's where many times we give relief for some of the parking because in that case the one per whatever square foot doesn't make sense, right? So we we try to do it that way. Now the the building itself um having been through that site and that street many many times there is there will be no viewshed of this new building from the for the traveling public. You will only see this building if you drive down Delta Drive. Is that a true statement?

Yeah, we were asked that question at the Heritage Commission. I think in the Kong I think they were curious whether it could be seen from the rail trail. And there's substantial woods. Yeah. I'm not I'm not worried about the rail trail. I'm worried about the motoring public are not going to they're not going to see this building. It is all the way down. It's not even close. Not even close. I just until you drive past those 30foot arborites around the true green site, you can't see this site, right? And so Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so you have what you have. You have an industrial site that's going to have an industrial building on it that no one's ever going to see unless they drive down there to use that particular building.

Exactly. Or or go to pay their true green bill, whatever. Um um and and so that that's important for the general public um to understand that. I do have a question for staff, Mr. Chair, if that's okay. Yes. And so my question to staff is and probably not John staff these folks had to go to Heritage. Yes. Why? Part of the DRC process for for the building. I thought I thought we stopped doing that still in the regulation.

I I you know I don't understand why an industrial site needs to go to heritage. I I don't get it. I I think that's something we need to talk about as a board. It just doesn't it doesn't make sense. I think it's it can be handled in a different way rather than having these folks go to an extra meeting. And I'm sorry to go off topic and I'm all done. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Okay. But it's very easy for for Heritage with Industrial Building. So it cost them an extra meeting. It does make sense. I would like to streamline it. One person I think we talked about it, but we never came to a decision. Okay. Yeah, I have talked about it. Yes. Okay. Okay. Can we make that an agenda item at some point?

Chair doesn't need that. When the chair comes back, hopefully the chair will be back for the next meeting. Fill it in. So, you all are going to trust me that I'm going to bring it up again. I know you will, Tony. Anyway, sorry, gentlemen. I I didn't mean to get off topic, but perfectly fine. No problem, Jason. I'll I'll be honest. When I saw that you originally only wanted 19 spaces for 14 employees, my first thought was, well, I guess they're not really planning on growing. Um, but I I think that this alternative design is uh is the way to go, as does everybody else, it seems. Um,

I I think it's a great use for that spot. The only people that you're going to be having an impact on are the motorcyclists that drag race up and down the the road that I'm sure you've seen all the skid marks on there. So, uh hopefully this will help to drive them away. Um other than that, I I think it's a I think it's a good use. Ryan,

um I share the parking concern. I think actually the parking is never enough. Um, I've actually uh uh almost bought a building like this and they said extra parking's over there, but then the generator was there because, you know, that's just what happened over time. Um, so I'd be concerned about that. But I actually have a procedural question as far as if somebody else buys this building and they have those spaces uh allocated for future parking. Does and they decide to put something up there like a generator or something. Does the town actually go back and look and say, "Oh, but this was for future parking." Because sometimes it doesn't go to the next tenant. They don't they lose that knowledge. Is there any check of that or they just say, "No, you can put a generator there. You can put

typ typically so that process would trigger some type of building permit and typically it's caught at that point unless there's something a more restrictive review and at that time uh building engineering and planning assess the most recent approved site plan on file and determine what uh standard of review we're applying whether it's administrative or it has to come back to the board. Right. But would they know that? They would know because it would be noted on the Okay. that that would that would be my concern. I mean, I do like the second the the more parking better. Like I said, it's never enough and I I think that you'll thank us one day for that, but that's just my opinion.

Um I agree with the board about the extra parking. Um and then the only other question I have is uh the driveway, the second waiver for uh the distance between the driveway with your neighbor. What's the distance between the closest driveway to the neighbor from our site? From our So, our westerly driveway is center line to center line is 86 ft would be 86 feet from the existing easterly driveway on the true green site. Okay. And you have uh is there going to be a lot of trucks, tractor trailers, or anything going in there? Going in there? No. No, we've got two loading docks. I don't know what if you have the specifics.

Uh not. It's they only have a few shipments a day as I understand it and um um you know the reality is I believe this regulation is in place to help prevent conflicts during those turning movements and you our left hand turn in will occur the further one at the top one the eastern most and our right hand outwork will occur at the bottom right so you're not really conflicting with those vehicles unless they decide to whip a left turn just to spin around the colder second go back, which, you know, wouldn't be reasonable, but most of the traffic's going to be going right out of there.

And and none of the traffic from any of the adj from the the mega food site or the True Green site, they aren't going to be turning uh east onto Delta Drive and heading towards our site. They're going to be heading away in all cases. Just everyone on the lunch break that goes down in parts of the cod. Uh yeah, I guess that's It's possible. It's possible. Heard there's a gravel quarry down there that kids like to go down. The four-wheelers are going to be really upset you developing this site. Security cameras everywhere. Good call. Yeah. All

set. Are there any abunders or anyone from the public have any questions, comments, concerns in regards to this site plan? Welcome back, Ray.

Uh Ray President Regary Drive. And once again, I'm speaking as a private citizen, but uh this is probably a good location for what they're proposing here. Uh and I don't have any objections for that. Um my concern is what uh that this is bordering on a prime wetland and every time we build a warehouse, we're taking away that area where rainwater can saturate into the ground and be purified. And um I heard uh a mention that uh there is sewer there uh but it's not requiring a pump station. And I've I've driven down there. I look at the elevation. Uh this is down uh what's the name of the road? Um

Delta Drive. Delta Drive. And the elevation goes down. And so um I I'm I'm wondering whether it's gravity feed for sewage to the Manchester wastewater treatment plant or it it does not need to be pumped. Uh, understand there's no um requirement for pump stations on site. Did I understand that correct? This is this is our sewer will explain in that area. I'm not going to bring you for a ride on this one. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay.

This is the end of Aviation Park Drive. This was the other development that RJ Kelly did. That sanitary sewer flows gravity down Aviation Park Drive. flows then it flows in a northerly northerly direction. This is the uh army reserve center here. Yes. Continues to to flow in a gravity down towards down to the uh this is beside the rail trail then down Harvey Road. Then it goes cross country and then into the airport property. So it's all gravity. It's all gravity. Right. At one time there was a pump station at the end of Delta Drive, right?

When I came to to town, there was a a pump station here, right? But it's no longer there. You know what? That little building there was was the pump station and it was necessary then but not now because it was going back up all the way up Delta Drive back to Harvey Road. Thank you for clarifying that for me. Yep. You're welcome.

Yeah. Um but once again what what I was concerned with the the uh impact on the wetland. I understand there's a burm there uh that is going to keep that from leeching into that prime wetland which is a little coz brook which is does any of this abut that um conservation land that's owned by the state of New Hampshire? Yes, the easterly the easterly lot is is owned by the state. There you go. See that purple? The purple all of that purple

all that purple is that is the conservation land. So that corner of this lot is going to be a butts it a butts it correct. Thank you. Was that right? Thank you. Okay. You're welcome. Okay. We'll bring it back for the uh board to uh deliberate and uh there are two waiverss we have to grant. Can I finish that thought? So to raise

So to Ray's point, the conservation commission took a really hard look at this and according to the notes that we have here, the conservation commission recommended approval. And so and so to to further put a bow on what Rey was asking, it's all the wetland stuff has been looked at by conservation commission and we rely on their opinions because that's what they do and they have um recommended approval. Is is stuff a technical term? Stuff. Yes, that's a conservation term. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. That's why I'm not on that board.

Okay. Okay. So, the two uh two waiverss uh we have one uh relating to the driveway, the distance between the western uh western driveway and the neighbor's driveway is 86 ft. And then the uh next waiver is uh related to the number of parking spaces to uh and in fact I think on that second waiver though I think what you want to just wave the the them um required to be constructed immediately it's now that they've shown the reserved area

I don't need to change we had our original request was 19 building 19 where 40 is required. If we're going with this plan, then the required is 37 spaces. I don't know if that matters or just say of of the required 37. 37. There you go. You agree with that, Kelly? They're asking for opinion lesser request. Correct. Basically, so they're asking for a waiver to 37 as opposed to 19, right? Wave from the required, right? From 40. Yeah.

Yeah. Okay. So, I will take a motion. I'm sorry. Can I just get clarification on that before we go further? Oh, yes. So, the requirement is 40, but they can only do 37. Is that correct? You're stating that you're accepting? Nope. I'm just saying just the requirements. two things. Okay. Did not include this future parking as presented this evening, which is why their initial request was reduction from 40 to 19. Mhm. If you're good with what they've presented this evening, now it's reduction from 37 to 19.

But it's 37 because they're making the building smaller. Correct. Yeah. So that that's So 37 is within the guidelines. 37 is now required with the smaller building. 40 was required when it was the full size building. Okay. So, we don't even need to vote on that waiver then. Yeah, we do. Decline it. We're not building. We're not spaces. I got you. So, it just be 37 is required, but we're reducing it to 19 spaces. Yeah. So, I mean, we can take uh both.

Just wondering why they wouldn't build this the extra spaces now and then you could have a full-size building. Am I missing that? I guess they always can. Um but we haven't we haven't been told that they want them. I mean, you're paying money for pavement grading and subgrade and it's, you know, for for the user, the end user paying that money, it could be meaningful, you know, 30 $40,000, maybe even 50. um for spaces they'll never use and if it becomes useful in the future. Plowing. Yeah. Maintenance.

It's all warehousing. So it's all storage in the back with few people running it for logistics and they didn't they don't need it. So it creates more impervious uh soils and everything else. Right. So, the Conservation Commission, I'm not I'm not going to speak for them, but the Conservation Commission on on their most recent meeting was saying they wanted the applicant to have less um uh asphalt, not more asphalt, because they wanted the drainage, and they didn't want runoff. They wanted drainage. Gotcha. So,

but they have the ability to to build it if it changes use. Okay. All right. Thank you. Sorry about that. Sorry. Okay.

Okay. What we could do is uh go to the memorandum uh dated September 10th, 2025 from our town planner is to wave uh item one and two and item two to reflect that we're going from 37 parking spaces to 19. So moved. Tony made the motion. Do I have a second? Second. Second. Second by Jason. Oh, she she doesn't second often. She should get the credit.

Okay. Any discussion on those waivers? Seeing that none, all those in favor signify by saying I. I. Those opposed say nay. Abstensions and share votes affirmative. So the two waiverss have been granted and uh we need the uh conditional use permit and the reason for granting the waiverss would be uh there's no significant detriment to the public good. So is this gets right? Yeah. Okay. Except that yeah the applicant okay that we grant a conditional use permit to allow a permitted use in the conservation overlay district. Conservation Commission has recommended approval of the CU

you've got you got a meeting where nobody's ever done a formal waiver. Well, it's usually written, but it's not written out sheet, but which one is written, right? Do you have me read it out to you? So, it's the one that says motion to grant approval. Yeah. So, do do we need to change that at all because we are going with plan B as opposed to plan A? I think you already did a you already you already did the No, but the square footage is changed. That's the question. So, yeah. Just want to make sure I'm doing it right. I don't think it's that significant. I don't think that's the right square footage. It's not. No, it was like um

what are we considering now? The conditional use conditional use permit. Yeah, that that change doesn't affect Yeah. the uh buffer. No, but it says uh construction of an approximately 50,900 foot office and laboratory. Oh, that that was a typo to begin with. Yeah. Which Yeah. Yeah. This is a warehouse, not an office. Yeah. So, so that based on the original on the current well the original application, it would be 59,460. With that adjustment, the building comes 54,570.

Okay. All right. Let me give this a shot here. Let me know if I screw it up. Um, like to submit a motion to grant approval of the conditional use permit for approximately 20,645, thou,000 square feet of temporary wetlands buffer impact for the construction of an approximately 54,570 square foot industrial building. um with along with associated site improvements. I second that. Okay. Motion by Jason, second by Ryan. Any discussion by the board? Seeing none, all those in favor signify by saying I. I.

All those oppos say nay. Extensions and chair was affirmative and the conditional use permit has been granted. Now we'll go to the plan itself. uh can conditionally approve this and would be conditional approval upon all present conditions and all general and subsequent conditions and Kelly do we need to uh indicate the reduction of the building size? Yes. Okay. The building size will be 50 54,570. 570. Yeah. Yeah.

But where where are we where are we showing that they need to do the additional parking? It'll be it'll be indicated on the plan, Tony. Okay. We'll we'll make take this plan and make all the changes throughout the site plan package. That'll be re revision. And that's where I was asking basically to make that a condition of approval that we make these changes to the entire site. We'll run them through the ringer. Yeah. Yeah. But but we need to say it as part of the motion. Yes. If you would. Yep. I can't. So this this new plan is not a new revision. Correct.

So we couldn't say like revision five or something like that. It will on the next when we resubmit. Okay. Uh for final review, it will show up as along with the other other I was just wondering if there was something we could note now. Yeah. No, we made this as this is kind of a standalone plan because it wasn't formally submitted within the the time frame required. We just put it out, you know, we submitted it in time to get it uh to you for discussion tonight. Okay. Staff would be comfortable indicating uh the square footage of the that building that 54. That's cleanest way to do it, Jason.

Okay. Thank you. So where would I what am I reading? Okay.

Normally there's verbage plan application recommendation application continues. Okay. Just make a motion to conditionally approve uh 17 Delta Drive, tax map 14, lot 21-12. Uh 17 and 22 Delta Drive, the owner's LLC. And normally this is written out.

Yeah. And then u there's always the president conditions which which follows this here. You don't need to go through all of them. And then the uh general and subsequent conditions. This is all based upon what's in the statutes. Correct. And then the

new plan with the reduction in the size of the building to 54,570 square ft will be conditionally well it'll be going for in for approval then you have to meet the all the conditions before any signatures go on that plan. Yeah. Where was like the owner and applicant? Oh, I'm I'm just Oh, you've got I I'll take a swing in it. Okay. Yeah. Uh this is for conditional approval. I've been up since 5:30 this morning, so I'm starting to lose it a little. Conditional approval.

Grant conditional approval. I I motion to grant a additional a conditional approval for 17 Delta Drive tax map 14 lot 21-12 zoned industrial 2 17 and 22 Delta Drive owner LLC occupant I don't uh the owner is someone oh that that's the name of the company sorry 17 and 22 Delta Drive um and according to present conditions and general and subsequent conditions. So the present conditions and general subseant conditions conditions

to be fulfilled to be fulfilled recommendation dated September 10th, 2025 on site site recommendations noted September 10th, 2025. Good enough. I have a motion by Ryan. I think we know what it is. staff will in the minutes of staff will make sure it is all correct. And we and we don't have to note the new size of the building or any that that we go into that one. We did. There was Okay. Y and I need a second now. Second. Second by Giani. Any uh discussion by the board on the motion? Seeing none, all those in favor signify by saying I. I. I. All those oppos say nay.

The chair goes affirmative. conditionally approved site plan. Thank you. Appreciate it. Thank you for your patience. Yes. Always a pleasure, guys. Um, is there a reason why that wasn't written spelled out written out? Yeah, I just learned that trick last meeting and it wasn't even there. Yeah. Overlooked. Can Can we have that done for the next normally it would be there, but I didn't realize it wasn't there. had to parse through it to get in bold helps too because we can just literally go to that cuz we we want to say the right thing but took us a little research to get there. It just so happens it was a perfect storm of this like none of us have done this before. All the the people that on here are the ones that usually

well Art knows how but he's the chair so yeah. Yeah, I can I can kind of put put the words out there to put together, but uh are we done? But uh we're all done. So uh so we're not we're not doing Woodmont Common ADU. Woodmont Commons ADU push the October meeting. I'd like to make a motion, chair. Yes, sir. Motion to adjourn. Not yet. Not yet. Oh, Tony has too early.

I'd like to mention I'd like to mention, Mr. Chair, that we had several occasions for public comment. uh this evening and that um the general public did take advantage of the public comment and uh with that um I thank you all for listening. Now Ryan, you get the motion. Motion to adjurnn. Okay. Do I have a second? Second. Second by Giani. All those in favor signify by saying I. I. We are ajourned.