Planning Board - Regular Meeting

Everybody, I will call to order the May 13th, 2026 planning board meeting. Please rise for the pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. All right, we're going to go through some administrative board work and then we will uh get on to new plans here. Uh approval of minutes, Mr. Rug, I don't believe we have any tonight. Don't have any. I think last week's came out right before I was leaving to come down here or at least that's what I noticed there was something in the uh inbox of the mail.

And then do we need to make any appointments with Jeff? Uh not here at the moment. You could appoint uh Jason, we have one alternate here. So Jason, you're it accepted. Fantastic. Uh Kelly, that makes nine voting members. So any regional impact determinations? Not this evening, Mr. Fantastic. Any discussions with town staff? Well,

fantastic. Um, Steve Bickford has submitted his resignation. Steve, thank you very much for your uh your time spent on the planning board and uh we hope to see you back in the future. All right, let's get right into it. New plans. We have a conceptual non-binding discussion for a PUD mixeduse development including 1,28 residential units and approximately 99,000 square ft of commercial light industrial and recreation space along with associated site improvements 109 Auburn Road map 18 lot 32 and 36 zoned AR1 and Governor's Hill Corporation is the owner applicant. Good evening folks. How you doing? Good, thanks. How are you?

Good. Kelly, you got anything before I let him take the floor? No sir. Fantastic. All right. Give me a sec. The top one. That one right there. Sorry. Mike. Good. How are you, Phil? Nice to see you. All right. Awesome. Well, thank you for having us. My name is Brian Pratt. I'm a civil engineer with Fussen O'Neal. Christina Montine Governor. So,

great. And um thanks for having us back. We were here back in 2025 with a similar layout for uh the Brook Hollowo plan unit development. Uh we received some feedback. We worked with our team. We worked with the town staff and we updated the plan. So, we're back to show you the changes. I know there are some new faces here and it's been a long time. So, I'll just highlight a summary of what those changes were and then I'll go through the plan kind of uh fresh. Um the feedback we received was to reduce the residential units, add some commercial space. Uh we added a pad for a recreation space or an industrial commercial space. We lowered some of the building heights in the downtown. Uh, we added some condo ownership to some of the apartments to helps with the diversity of housing stock. We added a daycare and a doggy daycare. We coordinated with the town on the traffic study and kind of the procedure on how we'll do that. I'll get into that a little bit later. Uh, we've reviewed options for a traditional subdivision versus this planned unit development. And we completed a fiscal and a school impact study. Go to the next page, please. Next one, too. This is our site location. So, it's in the uh northeast corner of town on the Auburn line. We have 227 acres, which is the Brook Hollow Gravel Pit. It's uh also connected to 120 acres in Auburn. And you can see um running through the middle of the the screen is uh Route 93. Exit 5 is down near the bottom of the page and the bypass is off to the right um that cuts down through Derry on the bottom right. Next page, please. Uh this shows an overview where the bottom of the page is the 226 acres in London area. The top um kind of weird shape that's the that's Auburn. There we go. Uh and this is a blow up of just the

lendary portion so you can see the existing gravel pit. Uh access to the site is off Auburn Road which is on the bottom right and then uh the Mill Pond subdivision is to the left where we have another access point. Go to the next page please. Just give that a second to load. Great. All right. So this is it. This is our overview uh site plan. Uh the pods we have different pods which are labeled uh with letters. Um, this was really thoughtfully uh laid out to fit in with the topography, but also just the way that the different pods interact with each other. It transitions from kind of lower density, lower heights from the west, and as you get into the site, it gets into some higher densities and higher buildings. So, um, the west there is, uh, some, uh, courthouse communities. So, those are pods A, D, and H. Um B are single family homes and there's an existing wetland through down the middle. Uh E and F those are town homes. Moving to the right we have G which are multif family condos. I below that are also additional condos. Then as you get to the right pod M is um J and K is kind of our our downtown area. So we have uh commercial on the first floor, residential above. Moving up the page is N. This is where we added to the plan. Previously, we added a a daycare and a doggy daycare. And then pod L above that was previously a multif family building where now we have it reserved for uh some sort of recreational light industrial or commercial use. Um hopefully maybe some sort of sports complex, but we just don't have uh we haven't gone far enough along in this development to really secure anybody for that area. It's a really big mix of um housing. So

we have um a a big diversity of housing stock. Uh the density we have um six units per acre allowed in the planned unit development overlay which would allow us about 1360 units. Um previously we had around 1,300. This plan shows uh just over a,000 units. Um there's three access points as I mentioned. Uh Auburn Road is the existing gravel pit access which is the the lower right on the left hand side the Mil Pond uh subdivision. There's an existing right ofway that was left for future development. And then to the top of the page that's that land in Auburn that I was mentioning. There's a uh industrial subdivision which we got approved from the town of Auburn which has a 2,800 ft public street which ends in a culde-sac right at the town line. Uh that's approved and we're uh about to start construction on that. Uh in the middle next to pod G is a park area. A

question. Oh, sure. Um have you sat with our police and fire department about this yet? Um we I believe we did. We had some initial meetings. Um I know fire department we definitely did. Uh we did have them review it and they were good with it. They just want to make sure when we do the real design that um you know the turns the fire truck can make it through all the the different developments. We do have public water. So there'll be sprinklers in all the multif family buildings. Um I can't remember police. Did they talk about access at all? Access. They talk about multiple point. So you got two points of access in London Derry. Yep. You know the the closest fire station is pretty far away.

The nearest fire station is actually in Derry. Um you know it's a big complex, right? You know, did they have any conversation with you about that at all? Um we talked a little bit um in a meeting recently about that. Um Sean, are you are you prepared to talk at all about the sheriff? Yeah,

we did bring that to their attention. The response time is 9 to 10 minutes to get there. Uh national response time is uh the standard is 4 minutes and as you indicated, Derry has a closer fire station and we had uh just a general discussion about that. What's the best way to resolve that issue? um for us to build a whole new fire station up there would be very expensive and then to continue to maintain that and operate that. Uh we should take a very close look at potentially partnering with our neighbors in Derry because they're like two miles away and their response time is within that four minutes or right at the edge of that.

So for us it would make sense to look and I know that's not traditionally how things are done in New Hampshire but it would make sense for us to look at it that way. Um, and then because again, if you're looking at a $15 million fire station, $4 to $7 million worth of equipment and the operating expenses, the life cycle of a fire station, uh, to be built up there would be very challenging for this town to be able to, if you look at the full buildout of the community to maintain that in the long term. So, we had some general discussions about that that we we should really take a creative approach to that, look at that carefully. I spoke to Chairman Dunn and suggest perhaps we should have a discussion with the our counterparts over in Derry, at least initial discussions about what that might look like. So that's where that kind of for right now that's where it ended waiting for this process to continue on. Great.

Same topic, Mr. Chair. Same topic. Yes, sir. So, so to that point and if Mr. Mhalland could say, is that okay? Yep.

So, um, this is going to be municipal water. Yes. Correct. And so I know there's there's something going on with sprinklers. You you can mandate them. You can't mandate them. There's something going on with that. You used to be able to say you can have you have to have them. But if if there was a mandate for to have this entire complex sprinkled, even the single family deta detached homes. Does that help anything? You can't do the single family detached homes. The commercial buildings, there is requirements for that, but not the single uh family detached homes. It's not just fire protection. It's also EM EMS, emergency medical response.

Understood. Yeah, understood. But you can sprinkle single family homes. It's done all over the place. Yeah, you can, but it's not you can't have an ordinance that requires that any longer. Some communities did that and that was what I was that's what I was asking that you're not allowed to have that in an ordinance anymore, right? We can't right. If people choose to do it their own, that's certainly up to them. But there are a lot of challenges with that, too. But not getting into the details. That was what I was trying to get to. Thank you for that.

I was reading a little bit about that um in a different town, and that was um for um properties not serviced by public water, so that they didn't have any hydrants in the area. That's when they were mandating that homes be sprinkled. Um these will have hydrants uh you know, strategically placed throughout every 300 ft. Um that's what Salem Salem did. sprinklers, right? Um I sold a bunch of single family homes down there. They all had sprinklers. They were all mandated somehow some way, whatever the year was, whatever the regulation was at the time. Was that where they own wells and septics though and not on public water? It was city water. Oh, wow. Okay. So, they all they Yeah, but they all had expansion tanks in the basement and and whatever, but um Thank you, Mr. Chair. Yep.

Great. Go ahead. Um Great. So, uh Kelly, can you go to the next page, please? So this is a sheet that we added uh based on the feedback we received. So this shows the downtown core kind of in that reddish color. Originally we had around 28,000 square ft of commercial space. We've significantly increased that. So the first floor of the majority of that those two buildings the red area will be commercial on the first floor with two stories of residential above and the um buildings across the street will have the live work units. Um up to the top of the page there are uh a doggy daycare and a regular daycare. So where we had 28,000 square feet now we have about 100,000 plus the commercial pad which could be another 40 to 60,000 ft². So it's a significant increase in uh the commercial space.

There pickle ball courts there or tennis courts? Uh where basketball Yeah. people can recreate.

There will be. Yeah. Um, so I'll go through the utilities briefly and then we do have some amenities page come coming up. So, uh, Manchester Waterworks, we did receive formal approval from them to run the water manes through this whole development. Uh, sewer, we coordinated with the sewer department. There's capacity available and gravity sewer for almost every building here works. There might be a few uh, small pump stations just to lift from, you know, one side of the the property to the other. Natural gas is nearby. It's in the Mil Pond subdivision and it was sized appropriately for a big development and there's uh plenty of electric capacity nearby. Uh next page. Here we go. All right. Here's the amenities. So, it's very amenity heavy and as soon as this loads I'll be able to kind of go through them.

There we go. Any public entertainment facility there? Um there'll be clubhouse. So right kind of in the center of the page there. Um I don't know if you can can you can't really zoom right. It's um yeah right in there. So to the right of there. Oh there we go. Yeah. So right in the middle of the page we have our clubhouse. Uh we have some courts. Uh just we didn't go super detailed on those courts but yeah right there is the clubhouse. Uh right next to those are some courts. Um up to the top of that concerts, you know, for entertainment. Um be done outside, but also like inside.

Yeah. If you go to the north a little bit, um that big central area, that's what we're calling kind of the central park area. So that is good for passive and active recreation. So that could be little markets, that could be outdoor entertainment. Um there's a big grass area there. We also have a dog park up in the corner there. So yeah, plenty of room. We have about 15 acres of um public open park space in this community and that will be open a little more cohesive to like bring people together. Yeah. Otherwise, they're all over the place. Yeah. Yeah. We did we did really we did really focus it in the center there. So that kind of rectangular piece bullet three there.

Um that's the whole central park. So it's it's lined by uh roads on either side. You have town houses on one, you have apartments on the other. Then as you go to the south, we have the clubhouse. Um, and there's a like a wetland park in there that we're proposing. There's an existing wetland that needs a little bit of attention. So, the plan is we're going to do maybe some boardwalks around it with some educational placards to talk about the wildlife and everything. So, we'll work closely with DEES and our wildlife biologists on uh how to make that uh a cool amenity for the for the development. Where will that be? Where will that be on that? Uh, that's item nine. Um, kind of looks like a football. Or is that seven? No, that's nine. Nine. What part? So,

can I go back and ask you how many pickup courts? Um, I think we showed three. I don't know if you could zoom in on two in the middle there. We We kind of just reserved an area. We didn't really get into the specifics about like the programming and yet, but we just we reserved those are two tennis courts, so that could be four pickle ball courts. or two tennis courts. So if Mr. Chair Yes, sir. Thank you. So just just for edification moving forward and and I'm I'm not being offensive, but this is a cartoon drawing, correct? This is this is a wish and a hope.

This is something that you've you've looked at the topography. you've kind of figured out, you know, we've been around long enough, built enough stuff, know what space you need for certain amount of things, but in reality, this is a cartoon drawing. So any specifics that we try to get into tonight, right, is probably not a fair question to you because you're not there yet. Exactly. This is this is a conceptual. The word itself if if you look it up should you know, Google it. It should help people understand where you all are at Y and where we are at on this. That said,

on your number three, the you you threw out a number of 15 acres, but that's in total or that's the number three space. Uh so 15 acres is the number three that Central Park and um the open I believe the the um wetland park as well. So, I think like that whole area equates to about 15 acres. Great. Thank you very much. You're welcome. And I appreciate Yeah. By the way, don't don't we're not being rude by not looking at you, but we have the same presentation in these desk computers and we have to look down into the desk to be able to see it. So, we're we're watching it and we're paying attention. So, don't

we expand it and get a lot of detail and you do that, there's not a lot of detail there. Gotcha. Yeah. No, and I appreciate the point about the conceptual and that's exactly right. We haven't done the full programming. We haven't done the full studies. We just fit some courts and, you know, the clubhouse and everything on there, which will be much further designed when we get into the actual plans. Sir, there's been a lot of flooding over there in the past and everything else. I mean, have you run into anything that concerns you? So, there is a flood plane. Coass Brook runs along the south town. Cohass. What? I'm sorry. Cohass is a very famous name in town, just so you know. So, the brook runs um all the way along the bottom of the property. So, you see Yeah. that that that's the whole stream through there that under control.

So yeah, we are outside of the flood plane. Um so there is a a FEMA flood plane that runs through there and none of these buildings or parking lots are in that flood plane. So we're completely out of the flood plane. So I don't anticipate flooding issues. Yes, sir. Um so you have a third tertiary access road, but I noticed so is is that just an emergency or is that going to literally be open all the time? Um we haven't nailed that down yet. we can coordinate with public safety, coordinate with the town and figure out if that's going to be full access um or if that's going to be gated. We we haven't made that decision yet. All right. Cuz my concern I mean I like the two the three access ways but that one dumps out into a residential neighborhood and the other ones are main roads. So that would be my concern especially if I lived in that area which

I will note when they rebuilt that neighborhood as well and when all the all the residents purchased the homes in those neighborhoods they knew that was coming that this that the land here would be developed into a large project and it was different. Okay. And that access road was I think it's there now where it okay that makes a difference now whether they've sold the houses and shared that information but we conveyed that was very well known. Yeah. Our plan is when we get into the development more we'll probably have like an abutters meeting with the neighborhood and just kind of let them know. Great idea. Yeah.

Yeah. And uh to get back to Tony's point about the sprinklers I did do some quick research. I mean, obviously we're going to have to look into it, but there was a fire chief that demanded sprinkler in a residential neighborhood and the developer sued him and went to Supreme Court and the developer lost. So, that's in New Hampshire. So, I mean, that's something we have to look into. That is obviously a concern. I I for one I, you know, I I know we're friendly with our towns, but to when we're when we need them, great. But to to rely on them doesn't make me give me the warm and fuzzies like rely on I'm sure they'll they'll be amenable but I'd rather be emergency situation than say hey we're going to build this huge development that we can't handle. Can you handle

that? That is also a very small fire station that's right next to an apparatus. I think it's a one big fire station there. They don't have an intermunicipal agreement if you're going to have some sort of finances moving back and forth outside of mutual aid. So that would be something that certainly something you can talk about it whether dairy would be immenable to it or not is who knows right. Yeah. And so Ryan so I will I will be bringing that topic back to the table in a different format because I have I have an idea um after the presentation's over. Okay.

Um and then the third thing was I just want to say I know you have a bunch of fields and stuff. Uh London area has a ton of fields, great uh uh sports uh complexes, but one thing we don't have is a turf field. So I just want to throw that in there that if you're going to build a sports field, I don't think we need any more grass fields. Um so yeah, we we intend to, you know, coordinate closely with your Rex department and your, you know, town manager and everybody to work with the right partner to bring what the town needs in there because we really want that if if that's a sports ne uh use be a good anchor, right? It would be a good reason to get people in and out of the development. So, it would really help that commercial area thrive.

Absolutely. And and I mean, you probably already know this, but I just want to say it for the record that we've had other developments like this in town where, you know, we look at it, we love it, and then, you know, over the time things change, and then we get something completely different. So, we're all going to be kind of gunshy here. About some things. And uh so,

totally. Yeah. Um so, yeah. Um, back to the amenities. Kelly, if you could go to the next page. This one shows more of the public amenities. Um, which again, we are intending that these streets will be privately maintained, but they will be open to the public. So, if somebody wants to come in and and walk through the neighborhood, we'll have sidewalks. We'll have shared use paths. Um, we'll have about there's about 5 miles of roadways with sidewalks, so you can walk on the paved surfaces. We also have about 2 and a half miles of nature trails through the the development which can get you down closer to the brook um get you by the wetland areas. So, it's really good public amenity for the town. Uh we have 1.2 acres, I'm sorry, 1.2 miles of Cohass Brook frontage along our southern property line and out of the hund there'll be 83 acres totally undisturbed and there'll be 140 acres of open space with this layout. I

I might have missed it. Excuse me. Did Did you mention how many miles of roadway and and sidewalks that you had? About five. About five. About five miles. Yep. Each. So about five miles of sidewalks and five miles of roads. They're Yeah, they're the same. The sidewalks are right on the side, you know, the sides of the road. So on every on every road. Um sidewalk. Yeah, there's sidewalks on at least one side of every road. Okay. Um Thank you. Once you get into the courtyard neighborhoods, those have garages, and I'll go through those a little bit in more detail, but they have garages kind of right at the front. So, those are more like alleys, so it's not really sidewalks to the courtyard communities except to the courtyards in the middle. Got it. Thank you.

You're welcome. Great. Um, next page. Uh, so parking. So, we wanted to be thoughtful in the way that we plan the parking. So, um, we tried to hide the parking behind the buildings. So, it's really pedestrianoriented in the the downtown. So, you have some street parking, but then your parking lots are really hidden behind the buildings. Uh, the town homes, same the uh town homes front on the roads with sidewalks, and in the back we have the garages. So, you have town homes on either side. So, the the the middle of that is kind of hidden from the general public. So, we really wanted to um you know, I know that's one of the the goals of the PUD is is to kind of keep parking in the back and have these people focused versus vehicle focused. Next page. So, this plan when it loads shows our shared use paths. So, these are wider paths that can be used for bikes and pedestrians. and we kind of um we have different sections up here so you can see um where that that shared access path is in relation to the road. So it's it's kind of a a good loop through the neighborhood and then once you get up to kind of the tertiary streets those are just shar so that you just encourage people to bike in the road but everywhere in the green and the orange they can bike on the sidewalk. We we size those wide enough. Next, uh trash was a concern. So, um this plan shows the uh trash plans which will be toters for the single family homes, the courtyard communities, the town homes, and then for the multif family we'll have dumpsters.

Excuse me, who's paying for that? The trash pickup. Um so that is town trash pickup I believe but we contract through waste management and the residents will receive a bill. Is that your question? So it's yeah so so the taxpayers taxpayers are not paying for that. This HOA is this is basically an HOA. Well the single family homes are going to get trash cans. Anywhere you build a single family home in town you get a trash can. This is this is a private development though. So who's who pays for it?

Well, is it going to be a single family home or is it, you know, or is it going to be or is it going to be a condo? It's private. It's it's private land. It's it's a PUD. So the purple up there has the the totes, the dumpsters is on the orange, correct?

So we provide dumpsters for private neighborhoods right now. The neighborhood I live in is a private road and they we uh we paid for the dumpsters but the town picks up the trash there and the totas as uh uh member Frell indicated that's those are single family homes even though they're on private land. That's what the town has provided. That is the way it has been doing business for a long time. So your answer, yes, the taxpayers would be paying for that trash pickup and the totters would be delivered to their property like they do now for all the other neighborhoods that we have that and they again uh we they have to provide the dumpster units, but then we pick up the trash. So that's how it works. Okay. And we'll get to the fiscal impact study, but this has a $5.5 million annual benefit um to the town. So I

I just want to make a point of clarity, too. um they'll be paying taxes too as well towards this. So it's not the other taxpayers pay this. It just goes on them. Understood. Thank you. Great. Um next page please. Apologies for the delay. It's a big big file. Yeah. Um so this just highlights the areas to help delineate like where the different pods are. So the yellow these are all the single family homes. We have approximately 88 and these lots are about 10,000 square feet. Uh most of them have buffers in the backyard. We specifically cited them to go around the wetland areas so that the less dense areas were uh closer to the wetlands.

Um what are your thoughts about snow storage? Um I mean you'll have to do that in in the site plan and I understand. I'm just asking you what your thoughts are. Yeah, most of these are are roads. So like the roads will just be plowed the way that every other road is plowed. Uh the parking lots will obviously have to designate snow storage areas so that they can push it off to one side. Having to truck any offsite or anything like that? I don't uh well who knows, right? Some winters no, some winters yes. Um I just looking for your point of view. Yeah. Yeah, we haven't again we haven't gotten into like the specific nitty-gritty, but

snow snow storage is something we always consider when we're developing a neighborhood, especially uh private roads and condos specifically. Um because you do have to consider that some winters you don't have to haul. Some this winter was a trucking winter but that's all for a certified snow professional. On that same topic, Mr. Chair, so back to um pricing, who who pays for the plowing that will be private. So that'll be the homeowners association. And who who pays to maintain the sidewalks in the winter? Homeowners association. Homeowners association. none of the roads in here. There'll be no maintenance responsibilities for the town at all.

All right. So, so the developer pays to put the roads, the sidewalks, drainage, landscaping, all that stuff in.

Yep. And when the development is done, the HOA, which takes over for the developer when it's 100% built out, pays for all the repairs, the potholes, the plowing, the sanding, the if the if the enclosed drainage system fails, a manhole sinks, all paid by the HOA, the the tax base doesn't doesn't feel that at all. I think the only thing is the water would be maintained by Manchester Waterworks. Um and I think the sewer might have some town responsibility.

Yeah. But the sewer is user user um user fees paid anyway, right? It's a user fee. So Exactly. Yeah. But I just I'm going to say it one more time. Yes. You all are going to build all the stuff. Yes. And then when you leave, all the stuff is going to be maintained. Yes. Just like a a condo or any other homeowners association is going to take care of all the maintenance. Correct. Inside of that space. If a tree dies or a tree falls on the road, you all going to have to contract to do it. You don't call London Area Public Works to take care of that? Yep. Exactly. Thank you. You're welcome. And do you envision building to town spec on the roads or something else?

Yeah, I mean town specs are are are pretty standard um for just roadways. That's what I would recommend. The radiuses on the fire trucks anyway. Yep. And the depth, you know, the depth of the gravels, you know, I don't like going substandard because then it's 10 years down the road you got to replace them. So, thank you.

You're welcome. Great. Uh, next page. So, these are one of the coolest parts of the development and, um, after some initial meetings with staff, uh, we were encouraged to add more of this. These are our courtyard communities. So, you can see they're in the top left and then there's two pods on the bottom. And the images on the right kind of show some samples of what these look like. Basically, they're smaller homes. The lots are um 30 30 by 70, I think. And so you have smaller footprint homes. They're close together. The roads themselves are more like alleys. So the the parking spaces and the garages are right off the roads and the front of the homes all face each other around these courtyards, these these shared common areas. So, you can have public gardens, you can have pergas, you can have gathering space, you can have fire pits. Um, it's it's a really cool courtyard neighborhood feel that we don't have a lot of around here, but because of, you know, the the cost of housing, these are naturally more affordable. They're they're smaller lots, less land, more dense, smaller homes, smaller square footages. So, these are going to really be something that somebody that doesn't want a big yard that somebody that doesn't want a big house, good starter homes, good retiring homes, even a small family would be appropriate for here. We have uh around 190 units here, so it's a big chunk of our development. Uh, next, please.

Would these be something that you would be looking to rent or sell? These will be condo. Uh, yeah. So, sell. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you.

You're welcome. Uh and then these just kind of show traditional the town homes you can see in purple on the top the mixeduse apartments those around downtown those are uh in the red above the commercial space. Uh next slide. And these show the um other apartment style homes but these will be uh condominiums. So, you can see on the top of the page that kind of radial, those will all be u three-story um garden style flats, but we are going to do those as a condo form of ownership to increase ownership and uh attainable housing for people. And then on the bottom, you can see the red, that's the one that fronts on that central green. So, those will be four-story also condos. Next slide, please. This is going back to the flooding question. So the blue is the FEMA flood plane and it's just line work, but you can see all the line work. All the proposed improvements are outside of it except for uh where we have our crossing at the Brook Hollow gravel pit entrance on Auburn Road. We'll have to put in a new bridge there. But um yeah, no no impact to the flood plane and no expected flooding. Uh we do have some wetland impacts, but they're primarily because it's a gravel pit and these are just kind of sediment basins that evolved uh to manage the storm water for this the gravel pit. Uh next slide.

This one shows how the uh Auburn land is laid out. So um on the top right that's uh the bypass. Um, we have a 2,800 ft road that accesses uh from the bypass and it hits the town line. There's a culde-sac there and these are just pad sites. We don't have any actual tenants yet there yet, but we are expected to start construction soon and um it's industrial zoned, but it's also allows commercial uses. So, there could be some restaurants potentially up by the road. Um, but we do expect that there would be more kind of industrial uses in these areas. It's one of the only industrial zoned areas in Auburn. All right, traffic. I know that was uh the big concern. It's always been uh

should have made that page number one as well. Figured I'd I'd give you all the warm and fuzzy first and then talk about the bad stuff. Wouldn't have made it very

um so we highlighted a couple of the key intersections here. Um this was before we had a scoping meeting with the DOT with town staff both in Auburn and in Lindaderry and we had a very productive meeting with um town manager and uh their town's review engineer. So obviously everyone knows that traffic in town is uh not great, right? Um a lot of these intersections are at or over capacity. So adding any type of substantial development, it's obviously going to make that worse. We had a great meeting like I said um and the town came up with a great idea and that is to have the town's review engineer Stantech actually do the study and not have us do the study. We'll pay for it but the town's engineer will do it and we'll act as the review engineer and we'll

say that one more time please. So the town's review engineer Stantech, they're going to actually do the study because it's more of a townwide study. We have 18 or so intersections. And who's going to pay for it? We will. Thank you.

Have to do it twice. Yep, understood. And um yeah, we had a great scoping meeting with them. We received their their uh scope. We're going to review that. We happily coordinate with them on distributions and that sort of stuff. Uh work collaboratively with them um as part of their study. They're going to identify intersections that are, you know, currently at capacity, over capacity, and the impact that this development will have on it. And this development is um committed to paying their fair share for improvements. So any intersection that we, you know, blow up, we'll figure out the improvement, we'll pay our fair share. There'll be some intersections that we have to immediately upgrade right off the bat. Like our our driveway intersections, right? We have to we have to update those. The one by exit 5, that's going to take a little bit of thought. um that's a DOT uh intersection so we'll have to coordinate with DOT. The really good the good news is that this is such a big development the phasing is going to take 10 to 20 years. So it's not like we're just going to build this out in two years and you're going to have you know thousands of new trips on the network. It's going to be built relatively slowly. So you'll get some pods coming online. You'll get a couple hundred units coming online. So you'll incrementally have that traffic increase annually and you'll be able to help mitigate that and we'll pay into the the fund. We'll have a development agreement to make sure that you know we're all in agreement on what the responsibilities are for this um this development and I don't know if you want to talk about Mr. Chairman.

Yes sir. your questions. So, um, all right. So, let's So, someday you may come back here and you're going to have a public hearing and someone's going to come up and they're going to say, "Well, this is great. They're bringing in 3,500 cars." So, um, that's kind of sort of going to be the reaction, right? Yeah. Um, have you been out where the poor boys is and so you've you've seen that at 7 to 9:00 in the morning? Mhm. All right. So, you guys have a real good feel for it. So, the other question, they're going to come and they're going to say, "We don't need another thousand homes. Why do you guys think there's the need?" And I'm not asking you to answer the question. Sure. But I'm But the question's going to get asked.

Yeah. So, cuz you know, they're going to say, "We've already added 5,000, right, dwellings here in London." Right. So these are and I'm trying to be generous and just say these questions are going to get asked and I hope you have really good answers.

We do. Yeah, there is a shortage of housing in the state and especially the diversity of housing in this area. So our strength here is we have that diversity. We have the condo ownership for the garden style versus just rentals. We have those courtyard communities that people will actually be able to afford. We have the single family homes for the people that want the more space and the buffers and but want to live in a neighborhood like this. Um I'm I would love to live in a neighborhood like this. The amenities are incredible. Like I would love to be able to go down to that park. I don't have a dog but maybe I get one. Walk to the dog park. Walk the two and a half mile trails. Keep rehearsing that. Yeah. But that's just knowing this community. That's going to be some of the questions totally come up in the public.

We appreciate it. Yeah Jason. So, um, two things. One, number one, in response to your comment about the state needs housing, you're absolutely right. The response from the people coming up to that podium is it seems to always fall on us. Right. And so, be prepared for that because people are getting sick of hearing the state needs housing and London is going to pick it up. Yep. Uh second one is you mentioned that it's going to be built out 15 20 years over phasing, right? Yeah. So not all coming in at once, but that's 15 or 20 years of construction vehicles going up and down Auburn Road. So yeah,

I strongly strongly suggest that you make the construction vehicles go down the 28 bypass because if people see 35 dump trucks going down Auburn Road with none of the intersections being improved. Y that's they're not going to care whether it's a car or a truck. And honestly the dump truck's going to be worse. I will note though it's right now currently an active sand and gravel pit. those. No, no, no. Takes those out of there. I I I understand, but people are not going to want to hear, "Oh, in 15 years, it'll be houses."

Yeah. The good the good news is because it's a gravel pit because there's a lot of areas. There will be a lot of earth work just being moved around on the site. So, we'll obviously have to truck in gravels and selects and pavement and asphalt, but the the the plan, the hope is that it's pretty much a balanced site, right? We're going to we're going to knock down these mounds, fill in the the low points, and um Yeah. So hopefully it's not like just trucking, you know, it's not a gravel pit that we're exporting. It's getting near nearly empty, right? Mr. R. Yeah.

And uh I just feel what John has said because uh what we we've heard a lot and what I get from people is what's the benefit to London area? Sure. And people look at it as just adding houses, more more housing. And of the uh southern New Hampshire uh planning region, yeah, there's 13 towns includes the city of Manchester, but we'll take that out of it. Yep. London bears the largest number of dwelling units that have been added. So, we're actually doing more than our fair share. So, understand you can spread the wealth around. You certainly are welcome to it. Yeah. But yeah, my other comment with it is uh

I don't quite see the cohesiveness of the downtown area as a focal point because you want to create a community feeling. Yeah. I don't quite see that in the in these plans. So, I think you got to think about that. Sure. How to get people together because you got people that are that are living there. You want people to do things together. You want people to be handy just to have a store there, you know, like one of our other pods has besides a restaurant or two restaurants even. And that's what's going to bring people in and keep people there because you don't want people running all over the place. You can keep them there. The ideal thing is really for them to work there, play there, and live there. Exactly. Yeah. I That's the essence of a PUB.

Yeah. We'll show you the uh we did a a blow up. I think it's the one before that. That one right there. Um so this one kind of shows our downtown area. Um it kind of cuts off the left there is our clubhouse and our courts and all of that. Wetland Park is right there and up to the top left that's our our 15 acre um central green. So that's that's the gathering space and I'm looking at at making a little more central because that that's what focuses people. Yeah. So you look at our other pods to see how they do it, you know.

Yeah. So we so we do have that though. So so this this main strip, the main road that comes in here, that's the direct access right from Auburn Road. So that brings you right in. And you see there's um like that angled spot right there and then there's all these retail spots. So we envision that being a walkable wide sidewalks. You can have tables and chairs out there. So that's where you can get your coffees, get your, you know, restaurants, get your little bit of retail. The parking is in the back. There's a little bit of um space in the back, some courtyard space if there's a a restaurant that has a big patio that wants to be out there. And then as you wrap the corner, there's more retail space which drives you up that main road. So, so between the clubhouse, the first floor uh retail, the live work units, that is our kind of downtown core right there. So, um

I'm looking for you to expand on it a little bit also to keep uh that keeps a cohesiveness of the people, especially like a coffee shop. Yeah, that we do. And we even have a drive-thru on the plan. Yeah. That the postal areas are where people where people stop and talk. Yeah. That's what you want to promote in it, you know. Uh, so in that kind of chamered edge, we have a really big you I don't know if you see it right, like there's the chamered edge on the building to the left. There's like a big open space right there. Um, that I kind of envision as being like the center of it, but it'll be like like a like a courtyard. A little bit of a courtyard right there. Yeah. My other question, could they have a concert there?

Probably not right there, but definitely up in the bigger park that's, you know, 15 acres plus or minus. And like I said, people can have little markets. You can set up think in you know like downtown Amhurst or some of these other communities that have these little central greens that they have a little farmers market in there right you set up all the tents and people can walk around and I envision things like that happening I think you made improvements over the I think you're thinking more I'd like to see you do more thinking more thinking okay Mr. D Francesco would thank you Mr. there. So, you you mentioned phasing. Do do you have a sense for the scope and sequence of the phasing yet or is it too early?

It's a little too early. We did kind of take a quick stab at it just to say, "All right, this might be what happens." See if I can find that. So, preliminary um and Kelly, could you go back one page to the left, please? Thank you. So, I have here in my letter, I'm just going to read it. Phasing will be substantially market driven. The expect the expected full buildout is estimated to take 15 to 20 years. Blows a preliminary expectation of potential phasing. So, uh primary roadways and utilities connecting Auburn Road to Londereary and Mil Pond. So you'd have that kind of triangle coming up from Auburn Road all the way over to Mil Pond. You'd have the the road from Auburn to come down and tie in. So then you'd have like your your your triangle, your uh your wishbone. Um what happens next? Not 100% sure. We said maybe pods D, C, E, and I. So maybe some of the courtyard communities down on the bottom, some of the single family homes, some of the town homes.

The idea would be to to tackle it in a way that makes the most sense that we're not we build it out from there, but while still providing a product mix and not just doing one type at a time, right? And we'd also need to have people there before the commercial spaces could be viable. So, we're thinking that we'd have to have some homes in there, some people there, and then that's when the commercial spaces can start to come online. So, that's where the question comes from, right? So, yeah. So, it's a chicken or the egg. If you have a doughnut shop with a drive-thru, they're going to be paying rent, right? probably on day 31

because I know the developers are going to be generous and let them move in and get the first first month is free at least sometimes up to three months, right? I don't own a donut shop. I'm just saying. Um but but in order for that doughnut shop to be able to pay their rent and and and buy the product to sell, they're going to have to be convinced that they have enough traffic count. Right. Exactly. So, so you can't have the traffic count without the houses, but you can't have the houses without the

doughnut shops or whatever other commercial is going to be there. And that's where the problem arises. And in any of these big developments, that's the problem, right? Unless the the developer personally owns and all those uh service uh type industries, right? And and can take the hit. Yeah. There's no way to put people in those spaces, right? Companies in those spaces unless there's traffic count traffic flow. And even if you have that, it's still got to be the right mix, right? Because if if you put a Starbucks in, everybody likes Dunkin Donuts. If you put a Dunkin Donuts in, everybody likes Starbucks, right?

So it's a problem. Yeah. Yeah. So the the the sequencing where you have people running around with their hair on fire about commercial, you got to put the commercial in first. Well, you can put industrial in first, right? And bring food trucks in for for lunchtime and and breaks and whatever, but commercial, which in a small town like this, commercial is is strip malls, right? Basically with small thousand square foot spaces, those those people need to live. They they need to eat and they need to be able to pay their rent and the developer needs them to pay rent. Yeah. So there's where the problem is.

Yeah. The hope is that Pod L could potentially, like I said, be an anchor. So if we got some sort of sports use there that draws people, you know, multiple nights a week, multiple uh hours for games on the weekends, then you have something that the parents can come down and they can hang out while their kids are doing the sports and they can get their coffee and they can hang out. And like you said though, it's it's sequencing is tough. Um especially at this level. So it's something we're very aware of. And and and what what we've seen and what you what you see in any town in New Hampshire and almost any place I've ever been, you can build the space to accept a doughnut shop. Yeah.

But then you got to get the doughnut shop to come there and and because they're small business people, right? Right. And there's no guarantee that a doughnut shop is going to be there even though it says that on this cartoon drawing, right? So, you don't know if there's going to be a doughnut shop or not. Um, it's it's commercial retail space. Correct. What's going to go in there? Who knows? Right. And there are examples all over southern New Hampshire with spaces that are ready to be occupied. Yep. And I include London in that sample. Yep. Ready to be occupied. Ain't nobody coming. Y

the doorbell's not ringing. That's that's why our first pass at this only had 28,000 square feet of commercial because we didn't think that a development of this size would support more. But that's why we really wanted the L. We came up with that as an idea to be the anchor that would really hopefully offset that difference. Um, but yeah, it's it's a it's a sequencing challenge that we're So, I noticed you were on the last page of this part of your presentation. You have other things. Uh, just a couple minor things to talk about. Um,

real quick, John, did you have something on this? Yeah, just one other question, more of a statement. um in the other PD that's in town, uh we worked into um an agreement with them that when the time came and the community and the town agreed that there was a need for additional public safety, more about speed, we worked in with them that they would um they would build the public safety facility, but something more along the lines of a um it's one patrol car and a and a and a motorcycle and an ambulance. Mhm.

So that you know if you're going to put a recreation facility and everything in there, the need will most of the calls are medical or rescue or something like that versus actual working fires. Um just something to think about, something that, you know, we worked in with somebody else. Um and all the AD really did was put land aside saying, "Okay, well, you know, we we know this is available and when and if the need comes, we're we're open to a discussion and Yeah. Yeah. We're we want to work with that may solve the fire station sure thing. Yeah, we're we're more than happy to work with you guys. You guys know the town better than we do. So, you know the needs of the town. So, so to that point So, to that point, would would the developer be

amendable to um a development agreement? Yeah, we'll definitely have to have a development agreement because um the traffic specifically um how to how to deal deal with that fair share contribution. Uh so that'll be part of the development agreement. Um just understanding of phasing um you know clarity that these are not public roads will probably be in there. There will be one for this. Yeah. Good traffic for any other uh fiscal related impacts that come up. Thank you. May need to be addressed. And the and the development agreement, as I understand it, is between town staff, the town council, and the developer. Is that true?

Town council. The town council. Just the town council. Correct. And the developer. Okay. Thank you. Yes, sir. Um, just my opinion and and I agree with John about, you know, maybe having like a police substation kind of like what NSHA does, things like that, but looking at it and doing a little research or the fire departments, I I don't know how you build this without a fire department just because of the area of town that's in. So, yeah. Um, and I did some quick calculations of what this could cost, and I do think it's possible. So, I just want to throw it out there that as far as I'm concerned, my concern is the fire. Everything else looks

looks good if it actually gets built the way it is. But I mean, I hate to say it, but I just don't know how you do it without a fire department. It doesn't have to be a huge one, but it has to have the right apparatus to be able to handle the size buildings that you have. Yeah. And and I looked at the dairy one and again, Google I don't know if Google's right or not. It doesn't seem like it has any big apparatus in that in that little dairy fire department. Um, no. So, it's that that's my obviously safety because I know you're handling everything on your own, most of it. Yeah. Um and you're going to rely on us for fire and police. Yeah.

Uh which which is which you should, which is great, but I just think that I just I won't be able to sleep at night unless I know that we'll be able to get there in four minutes that you that you need to. Police can be handled in some creative ways like substations,

but fire and ambulance. So what we talked about with Woodmont is is that we really have a whole long conversation about the use of defibrills and the use of medical and everything else. Um in the dairy station they would have like an engine and an ambulance is likely what they probably have. So that and that would be a mutual aid situation for the large apparatus and everything else. And and I'm not a firefighter but you know observing over the years and everything those usually follow the initial attack and then you bring the larger apparatus in. So that's why I'm not as concerned with them building a fire station. I'm more concerned with immediate rescue and medical response and and again leave it to the fire department. They make the better decision and everything, but that was kind of the thought process around these things when we talked to Woodmont years ago about it. Just to give you some information.

Yeah. No, no. I'm just thinking like I mean uh again with any kind of rescue it takes a while. You know, the call comes in everything. I mean, I live right here in town, pretty close to town, and it took 15 minutes for an ambulance to take to pick me up three weeks ago. So, um Sorry about that.

Yeah. Yeah, me too. So, uh I'm just saying I was I was surprised at it, but um and and now I'm even more worried about something this far away. You know what I mean? And the traffic and Auburn Road and and everything. It's just one of those things. Again, it's just me. Maybe I'm maybe I'm not maybe I'm alone. But I just I if if I'm literally in the center, you know, close to, you know, in town and it takes that long to get to me, how long is it going to take for for them? And you have a lot of community. This is I I love the the layouts, especially the the the areas where they have the little um like gardens or whatever in the middle. Um I see a lot of probably elderly uh moving there. I might actually want to retire there. Uh it looks great. I just I'm just a fear of like what's the axis going to be for any kind of emergency and

yeah so and also I was reading through it and you it was mentioned that section L might be considered for a nursing home or assisted living facility that was uh that was one of the original submitts we've changed that it's still in this oh

I must have forgot to take that out apologies but yeah no the thing the thought is we've done some concepts to fit some sort of field, some sort of sport, you know, facility. Um, could be some sort of light industrial, could be like a commercial, light commercial type of use. Um, we don't know yet. Uh, the the hope is it's something that generates a lot of traffic to help get, you know, people down there to use the the commercial spaces. And totally agree with you, like safety is very much high on our priority list. Um, really appreciated the meetings that we had with the town manager and other staff. and uh we're committed to working together with the town potentially uh dairy to figure out a solution. Um this kind of leads good well into the fiscal impact study. So

one second, Mr. Cruz. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Yep. I like the idea. I think the uh the only concern that I have is that secondary access um with all that commercial industrial, you know, buildings being built on the other side of Auburn Road, all those vehicles crossing over trying to cut through to 93, coming through, you know, all that um retail area. Any concerns? How are we going to stop the vehicles from doing that? Are you saying cutting through like secondary access through Milond primary access to get towards 93? Yeah, I mean it could be a gated, you know, fire emergency access only if we if that was what people wanted. We haven't made

I like I like having the second, you know, second exit. A lot of people are not going to go down to get third, right? So, but again, leaving that open for a second exit, right? You're going to have that concern of those commercial vehicles now taking the shortcut to to get to the highway. Will it still be a shortcut with it being downtown and crosswalks and stop signs and all that? It may be quicker for them to just stay on the main road and and take Yeah. I wouldn't want to be driving my truck through there with everyone walking around you. Right. Well, you could restrict the type of vehicles too, right? Yeah. Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I think since we're on this topic of cutthrough, can you talk a little bit about this? Sure. Auburn.

Yeah. So, that's a 2800 foot uh public street. Um it's a industrial zone. Uh it ends at the town line and we're putting in a culde-sac right now which will turn that into a roundabout. So that will be a traffic calming measure so people can't just you know bomb through. They have to like slow down as they hit that. Um think that's about it. It ties right into one of our main thorough affairs. So it's a it's a good easy access. It's a good access right to the bypass. So um it helps people. You can get onto the bypass and you can head north to uh 101. So, uh, any anything of the specific? Giovanni, did you have a question?

Yeah. Um, so I know probably one of the biggest concerns is going to be access to the site, um, which you went over in your traffic plan. Uh, if you if you're going to need to widen any of those roads to accommodate the the traffic, do you have a idea as to how you going to accomplish that? So, um, we have to do the traffic study to determine,

uh, like how many cars will be turning. So, how long those Q lanes, those Q lengths need to be. So, um, that's something, you know, I sketched in some ideas already, but we don't have the the numbers. We don't know exactly. So, we'll do the traffic study and then we'll work with Stantech on off-site improvements, approving those off-site improvements. Um, like I said, Auburn Road, we know that this development will immediately have to upgrade that, right? because we're going to have cars turning in. Um yeah, I could just see where at some point there's going to be some significant outside improvements there. You're going to have to widen some of those access roads, too. Yeah, we're accommodate some of the concerns. Totally aware of that.

I want to just emphasize a point about the traffic study. So, something that's a little bit different than we've done historically is that through this process, we are identifying mitigation. So we will have more solidified answers to that as we go through this traffic study whereas historically we haven't always received that. Right? So that is part of this scope for the TIA um that the applicant talked about earlier. So I just want to make clear this is a full traffic impact analysis data collection traffic counts analysis and modeling mitigation and the full study report. That's the the scope. Yeah,

it's a good approach.

Um, so a couple things. Um, number one, I've seen an awful lot of these and I got to give you credit because under the public benefit, you put five miles of sidewalks as as a public benefit. I'm not sure if people are going to drive 10, 15 miles to the Auburn border to walk on a sidewalk, but I think it's the first time I've ever seen that. Um, in your narrative under your commercial, you you basically put that all the commercials in Auburn and you know there there may be some retail or commercial elements on the first floor of the apartments. Um, that doesn't exactly make for a mixeduse facility. You know that there may be some retail on the on the bottom floor.

I mean, we have 100,000 square feet of commercial space. That's that's significant. And we also have 100,000 houses. We also have pod L which could be another 60,000 square feet. So we have potential for 160,000 square feet. That's the size of um Walmart. Okay. And along with those lines, is the traffic and Kelly, this may be a question for you. Is the traffic study also going to include traffic from the Auburn development? Yes. Okay. Yeah. The study includes somewhere in the realm of 18 different um intersections, if you will, including as Auburn um and I believe intersections in Derry, the 28 corridor all the way to exit 5. So, it's it's involved. It's

okay. Yeah. I I just want to make sure that we're not just taking the traffic from this because there's going to be a ton of traffic coming off 93 going down Auburn Road to get to the Auburn development. That is part of the scope. That is um as I said the 28 corridor on Rockingham Road, the London area exit 5 side as well as the Auburn side. Okay, Mr. Francisco. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Um I I have two things. Um the first thing then I'm going to go back to traffic. So when you when you look at this site on bird's eye on a bird's eye view, there's a significant pit there. Hence the name sand pit.

Y want to make sure everyone knows that. So are you going to use the current topography or are you going to fill accommodation? So, right now there's a 50ft rock face at the town line. Um, we're planning on bringing that up probably about 20 ft as you come in. And there's some nles over on the other side. So, we're going to knock those nles down. We're going to kind of fill that pit in. So, there'll still be a wall which will actually serve as a good uh barrier between the industrial uses and our residential uses along that that Auburn lended town line. Um, but yeah, the

So, you're gonna try and So, you're gonna try and try and use what is now the new natural topography of that site to to to build out. Yeah, it's not it's not going to be a quarry. You're not going to have like homes surrounded by rock walls. The one one side will, like I said, that town line will have that, but that's the industrial uses will be right on the other side. So, it's actually a really good barrier. But going from, you know, pod G to the left to pod F, that's all just going to be flat, right? We're not going to we're not going to have slopes and granite walls or anything like that. So, thank you. So, back back to um traffic. Thank you for that. Sure.

Um so, it looked to me I tried to do um math, but my basic training is I was a physical educator, so I didn't take any math classes. Yeah. But it look it looks to me like from your first presentation to today, you've decreased the number of housing units by about 24%. Sounds about right. Am I close? Yeah. Okay. Yep. So I then did uh after I after seven eight hours of trying to do that math exercise, I did another exercise using um Google Maps

um to try and to try and figure out if I live there and I needed goods and services, where would I go and how would I get there? So, if I was sitting in my home in the middle of this project and I and and I needed to go to the dry cleaner to get my pants hemmed, if I stood up, you'd understand that joke. So, then I would then where where would I go to get that done? If I needed a bag of potato chips at 1:00 in the morning, where would I go for that? If I needed gas, where would I go? If I needed groceries, where would I go? if I if I wanted to take a gymnastics lesson, where would I go? And I ran out all these scenarios because I had nothing else to do all weekend because the Celtics and the Bruins lost. So, what would what would that model look like, right? And I didn't want to do it, but I had to do some more math. And what it came out to was more than 75% of the goods and services that I personally use on a daily, weekly, monthly basis had to funnel through all the cow path roads to exit 4 or that area that 102 area by exit 4 to to get those goods and services. And that's something again we're talking right now. We're talking conceptual, right? Yeah,

but that one exercise that I took the time to do, I think is very telling, right? The the the the the models that are used in the in the dictionary size book for traffic studies, is really good. Y but it's built built on hypotheticals,

right? I did it based on actuals for one person. And like I said, 75% of what I needed is going to be going almost due south to exit 4. And that's something that you're going to have to address because that's going to come up again and the citizenry is going to be harping on it. You already know it's a thing. Y I did the exercise just to see what all the whining was all about and you know it's kind of true I think. Yeah, it wouldn't have gone to dairy.

I I looked at the I looked at the dairy the 20 20 remember I said 74% 75% the rest of it either went to Derry or Manchester. Okay. How did you determine that? Just curious. How did you determine that? How did I determine which way? Yeah, I did. 24% would go one way in 75. No, me personally, not not everybody that lived there. Okay. Just it was it was a oneperson study. Okay. Okay. How many are you 10 10 items that I need seven and a half of them went. It was very particular. It was only needs. And how many times do you go and get those pants out?

Just for the just for the record, it was more than 40 items that I that I tested. Okay. Okay. Just for from me. And I did it exactly in the middle. Who knows if I'm going to live in the middle or near the entrance or or whatever. And yes, some of the things that that I needed I could get in Manchester quicker. Y less miles at least, right? Who knows what quicker is? Um I did it strictly on mileage. How many miles would it be, give or take? And if you've been on our GIS system, you know, you can straight line and and do the hypothetical. Even though there's no roads in that development, you can still pick a point, make a straight line,

get down Auburn Road, and do and do all the mileage, right? Yeah. So that was just for that was just for one person. Yeah. Well, hopefully you can just go right to pod J and a number of those services are there. That's my dream. But but my point is I did the exercise. That's what I saw from me as one as one individual.

You're going to have to address that somehow some way. And it's going to come up again when the traffic study folks come in and they give their reports and and everybody tisks about how light it seems they're doing because they're talking about 11 only 11 trips a day or only 23 trips a day which results in uh 1 second of of extra stoppage time at this particular intersection. Yep. I'm just saying there's going to be for me when I live there, I'm going to be constantly at exit 4 because that's where all the stuff is that that I need. Y

Yep. There's a dry cleaner at Hood Plaza. And and by the way, I've been here since 1978, so I kind of know my way around. And I'm not going to say whose dirt bike I was on at the time, but I might have been in that pit a few times. So, um, so I I I I know the area very very well. Yeah. and and I'm very well schooled on on where the conveniences are or or are not and and I hope that when we get to the next step and I know we will that you'll be prepared and I hope that my comments are helpful to you. Yeah, we appreciate that. That's good. Uh Sean, did you have a question? Good knowledge.

Yeah. Um so on on the north side and I know we're only concerned with the part of this that's in London area, but I do know there's a part in in in Auburn. What's the distance between this and the emergency services there? Have we considered that aspect of any of this as well? The distance from uh Auburn's. Yeah, because I know this is in the southern southern part of it, but I just don't know if I have notuburn. It's further than London and then Derry and even London area. I mean, according to Google. Okay. So, not even remotely close. Okay. Auburn probably only has one school. Yeah, that's that's what I figured, but I figured I'd ask the question.

Auburn probably only has one station. There's like an outstation on off of Wilson's crossing.

Yes, sir. I'm assuming this like needs well not needs to go to but this would be part of regional impact for D as well. Correct. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um so we did a fiscal impact study. We also did a comparative fiscal impact study based on if this were to be developed as a traditional subdivision. So doing the density calc and we did a a concept showed that we get about 206 single family homes if this was just a traditional subdivision. You're looking at this right?

Uh yes, thank you. So this is kind of an intro infographic which compares the two. So, um, the big one is the annual net revenue. So, with the planned unit development, this is expected to generate $5.5 million of positive net. And that's after everything's taken out. That's after the $383,000 for police, that's after the $284,000 for fire, after the 285,000 for solid waste, after $120,000 of miscellaneous, and after the $1.2 million in school costs. So it'll generate almost 8 million, but that leaves 5.5 million just in the general fund for this project that it's a net positive.

So just a question of clarity. So this is the PUD. The the second column is the underlying zoning that would be if we didn't have a PUD on this property, correct? Yeah. Okay.

Yep. If it was just uh developed under the traditional zoning. Yep. So if it was a traditional residential subdivision, that would generate approximately a million. So 5.5 times the revenue um with the planned unit development versus a traditional. Uh the other big points are public amenities. So with the planned unit development, they're significant. It's uh 13 plus actually I think it's closer to 15 acres of parks. uh seven miles of trails, including the five miles on the roads, the two and a half miles um of the nature trails, playgrounds, and dog parks. And we've committed to these being open to the public. So, it is a public benefit. Uh with a single family traditional subdivision, there probably wouldn't be anything. Um housing diversity with our plan unit development, we have a very high diversity. We have single family homes, town homes, the courtyard communities, uh condos, and rentals all at various price points. Um, with a tra traditional there's there's no diversity. It's all just single family market rate homes. The school impact, this one was interesting to me. Um, 225 students are expected to be generated with our planned unit development. It's because the uh the smaller units, the courtyard communities, department style, the garden, the condos don't really generate a lot of students. Single family homes do. So we have 225 students with the planned unit development where we have 289 students expected with the traditional residential. So

calculation I'm sorry what did you use as your calculation? Was it 008? You know um Morgan, do you have that handy but those I know they're in the fiscal impact? I know the calculations have dropped over the years. Yeah, I know they they looked at multiple an independent study I think. So Mark Fuer did it and I think he used actual lendary data. He um correct Mark Fuer who's a consultant for the applicant um utilized actual lendary data instead of using the more I know widely used um New Hampshire housing standard. I'm not questioning the number. That's the trend. Yeah. So like what you're asking though is that we typically say like 67 units per

for the other for house for single family and uh.17 for multif family. It's not that. It's specific to lend area. I don't know if you have that. Yeah. Um it's on page 17 in the uh fiscal impact. I don't know if you want to pull that up if you're interested, but you don't have to. I mean I I understand what you're saying and I also know what the trends are. So yep, I'm good.

Okay. Great. Um the development timeline, as we mentioned, this is a large development. It'll most likely be phased over 15 to 20 years. With the single family traditional, that would probably be built out in say five or six years. So, um while it would generate less traffic, it would get on the network faster. Uh the traffic impact. So, again, phase. So, you're saying the single family is built out in five or six years, the remainder of it through the course of 15 years. No, it different options. If we went the traditional subdivision route that Thank you. that everything in that column is related to that scenario. Thank you. Thanks.

Um again, the traffic impact again it's phase buildout. It allows for incremental off-site traffic generation and associated improvements. With the traditional subdivision, that would pretty much be an immediate impact on the street network and require immediate off-site improvements. Mr. D, did you have a question? Um I I have a a suggestion on your infographic final. Y because the the document on on fiscal impact is is more than a 15-second sound bite which nowadays is the only thing that people can tolerate. And so they're going to look at this graph. That's all they're going to look at. Right. It's colorful

based on past experience. And blue is a very pleasant color. Um, you mentioned on infrastructure burden, you say three miles of public roads requiring ongoing DPW maintenance. I'm sure you meant to say three miles of public roads and sidewalks and correct. In addition to that, requiring ongoing DPW maintenance means nothing to anybody. Okay. Probably except for me. Mhm. And so if it were me making this graph, I would list out all of the things that the taxpayers are not going to have to pay for, the lendary taxpayers are going to have to pay for. Um including Yeah.

things that in the future might break. Yep. And and I'm big on because I just lost a rim and a tire um on a on a on a a drainage uh pipe that sunk a drainage manhole basically that that sunk into the road. Um and um that's going to have to be fixed at the taxpayers's expense. When that happens inside of this development,

it's not going to be at the taxpayers's expense. It's going to be at the expense of this planned unit development, this condo development, this whatever. The money is going to have to come out of whatever funds you have. So, so sanding, salting, plowing, sweeping, um, uh, culvert work, potholes, repaving, unpaving, um, all as many things as you could think of. Yeah. That could happen. I would put it in that list of things that that the Londereary DPW will not be responsible for. Sir, I think it's a huge chip that could be used in your favor. Yeah. Yeah, that's a great idea. In the future,

we'll definitely do that. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Um, talking about school impact, did you talk to the school district at all? We did. You did? So because those are all not all obviously because some will be middle some will be high school but a large portion of those will be going to north school and we are in the process of moving our kindergarteners over to the elementary schools as well. Y so some of that and I I understand this is a long timeline but some of that impact some of those spaces in those schools will be taken up by kids who are not there now. So I didn't know if you had spoken with them and they're comfortable with this. That is that I can just speak to that. So that is a recent change that

when we met with the applicant I don't know less than a month ago we pointed that out and they've adjusted okay the fiscal accordingly. Okay. Thank you to account for that. Okay. Yeah. The is the uh fiscal impact in their packet? They have access to it. Okay. There's a lot of data. Yeah. It's a big uh it's a big one. So tons of data that's way over my head. Sure. But but I I spoke directly with Mark Fuer on that and Okay. he included it. Awesome. Thank you.

Good. Great. And then um besides infrastructure, so open space, uh 137 acres will remain undisturbed, open to the public. And if it was a traditional subdivision, that probably would just be community open space, not open to the public. So the key takeaways are the the financial impact. The plan unit development generates nearly six times the annual positive revenue for the town compared to the cluster traditional option. Uh infrastructure, the traditional residential development would place a significant burden on the Department of Public Works due to three miles of new public roadways. Uh community value. The PUD offers extensive public recreational spaces and the missing middle housing options that are entirely absent in the traditional residential development. And pacing. While the PUB is a larger project, its 15 to 20year phasing creates a much slower, more manageable increase in traffic and school enrollment compared to the 5 to sixyear cluster traditional subdivision buildout.

I think that's it. So, I think it's going to be very important for the board to have a full understanding of what phasing looks like for this inside of your um PUB itself. Uh what we don't want to have is, you know, 75% of a site built out and still no commercial. So, I think it's very important to be incredibly detailed on what exactly the phasing plan is. Um, I think this section L plays a big role to the success of your development. Um, the reality is that any commercial use inside of this area is going to be difficult. I mean, if anybody thinks it's not, I would encourage them to go look at a PUD that's directly off the highway. Um, so I I think that that sectional is going to be very critical to this development. I I think that a you know a community resource that the the community could get behind and and want to support such as something as an athletic facility you know that Bedford has Derry used to have. I think Windham is in the process of making I think would be very beneficial to the success of your development.

Yeah. Um safety is is certainly a concern with this. Um, Chief, do you mind coming up real quick if I have a couple questions for you? I know I'm kind of putting you on the spot, but

what um what would be an average response time to this from what what would be the closest station, which I would assume would be the north side of town. uh as stated roughly 8 to 10 minutes as the station currently sits. What is the from a call volume of the town of London area? What's the call volume like for London? Combined fire and EMS roughly about 5,000 calls a year. Would you do you have the data of what of that 5,000 comes from say station one

uh station one up in the north end? I do not have that data present. We're actually working on some some data for responses, response times. When we create some heat maps, um we should have that by the end of this month with some more solid data. Okay. What you know, uh how often are there simultaneous calls in the town of London area? Multiple times daily.

What does a response look like from a different station for this development in the event that station one is on a call? there there's so many variables there it's difficult to state um if it's an EMS call we cross staff fire engines and ambulances uh staffing as well as vehicles are moved around on a daily basis so it's very difficult to pinpoint what that would look like uh without additional staffing as our current staffing model is deployed okay thank you for the record for the record Mr. chair. Yes. So, um, Chief, welcome to town. You you are new here. Could you please identify yourself for people? Sure. Uh, Jim Young and the fire chief uh for the town of London Derry. Been here for about 3 months.

Thank Thank you for Thank you for coming. We appreciate you and and welcome to London. Thank you very much. Can I just ask another question? Yeah. Can we just agree hypothetically that if there was a closer an additional fire station that that would be better?

Of course, it would be beneficial. Um, we're striving to meet national response times, which I think any fire department would would like to do. Um, when we're trying to reduce our ISO ratings as well, which is for those who aren't familiar insurance service office ratings, uh, generally to get the score, the lowest ratings in a town, you need to have a fire station within five road miles of every building in town. That's what the insurance rates are based on. So, we strive to do that. Um, I don't have that information whether station one is geographically located within 5 milesi of this development. That's one of the things we're looking at is to see the areas of town where there's not a five fire station within five miles and then what the response times look like related to fire stations that are outside of that that nationally recognized um minimum requirement.

In fairness to the chief, he can build 10 fire stations, but if we don't staff them, it doesn't matter. That's an excellent point. So, one other point of clarification. You mentioned a lower rating. In this case, a lower rating is good. Is good. Yes. It's like golf. The lower the score, the better.

Um, the lower uh rating that we have as a town will reduce insurance premiums for homeowners, but more so for businesses because b businesses generally carry the larger insurance premiums. And it's only a reduction. And it's not a reduction on the entire insurance policy, only on the fire protection portion of that policy, which generally the benefit is is much more for commercial properties. Um, that being said, even if we had a whole bunch of fire stations within the town of London area, we added several of them. If your particular property that you live in or your business that you own is more than five road miles away from one of those fire stations, you actually score the worst score you can have as a nine. So, it is very much in relation to where fire stations are located.

Thank you, Chief. Appreciate it. Thank you. There's one uh point in the fiscal impact that said that um while he mentioned there was about 5,000 calls annually, this development is expected to have 148 additional annual calls. expected to that's based on the the calculations that are that means at least

um you know as well with you know the concerns there as well with police um you know we there's a a development in a neighboring town that has become an increasingly large problem. um they're getting something like 12,5600 calls a year to the one development that was probably supposed to have 150 calls a year. Um so I I I definitely think um there's more to discuss of how we're going to make sure that our police and fire can adequately uh service this community while not negatively affecting the rest of the community. Um, anybody got anything else?

I have one more. I I have one more helpful comment. Yep. So, back to that um chart, the la the last chart of the packet, executive comparison, the very first one far left, annual net revenue, revenue versus income, net versus gross. What does that mean? So no, I'm going to stop you there. It was a rhetorical question obviously. Okay, but but you need to play to your audience, right?

So who who knows quite a few but not enough know what annual net revenue means? It can be fixed easily by if it said net uh annual net revenue after expenses that kind of fixes it I think for the average person. Sure. because I guarantee you for the constituents that I get phone calls on and I'm appointed so technically I have no constituents but but but for the people that I know that are going to call me they're going to say they're going to say yeah yeah it's 5.5 million but right they're going to have a lot of expenses and stuff right

because they don't understand net and they don't know what revenue is right they they know income because they get income tax, right? They get they they're paid income, right? But they don't know how what this is. Yeah. So, just saying. Yeah. This is intended to just be a summary of the fiscal, but so it's estimated to have $7.8 million of new property tax and auto registration revenues. And then we subtract out the expected expenses based on the conversations with the different departments which 383 for police, 284,000 for fire, 285,000 for solid waste, 123 miscellaneous, and 1.2 million in school costs. So which gives you your net

that's the net the the net revenue is 5.5 that you guys can do whatever I understand whatever you guys want. But I'm saying if I was if I was going to introduce this at a public meeting it wouldn't say annual net revenue on it. It would say annual net revenue after expenses. Yeah. No, I like that because someone's going to say, "What about all your expenses?" And you're going to say, "Well, I got it right there." Yeah. And you're going to get all frustrated, but because that's how it works. Yeah. No, I appreciate that. I I would argue that it actually has to be presented differently.

People understand property taxes. They don't understand how much it costs to run the town. They don't understand how much it costs to run the schools. They understand that 72%ish goes to the schools. I think you need to keep it simple for people and say you're paying 7.8 million maybe 200,000 of that is motor vehicle. So it's 7.6 million times 72%. That's what's going to the schools or 229 kids period. The rest is what it's going to take to support it from a town side of the government because that's all they're going to get. Mhm. Unless something else different happens.

Sure. But under the current law, that's what they'll get. Yeah.

I do want to comment on the courtyard communities. Um I find this to be one of the more appealing sides of the development as a whole. Uh we've talked pretty in depth as a board of how to create affordability and also redefining what affordability is. Um, a lot of people still think affordability is a $300,000 house, $300,000 home isn't even reality. Um, but building something that is going to be cheaper than the average market home in the town of Londereerry has created affordability in Londereerry. Um, so I I do really like the the way you have these smaller communities set up and more importantly, the question that I asked earlier is going to be something that people have the opportunity to buy.

Yep. an affordable home in London. Yep. And that the other reason why we changed all the rentals, half of them are now condos, so you can own a one-bedroom apartment in this community instead of just renting it endlessly. Correct. Which I I I do think is a a great aspect of this development. Anything else from the board? Yeah, nice improvements. Thank you. Thank you very much. We appreciate your time and your feedback. Thank you. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Come on. If you could just come to the mic, please. Okay.

My name is Bob Lamontine. I'm part of the Governor's Hill Group. And when I read the town's master plan that just came out, it almost described this project to a tea. If you read the master plan, that's what your town's people were looking for, and that's what we got. So, that's all. I appreciate it, sir. Thank you. Thank you. And to piggy back off that, you know, every every project they're not used to nuances microphone.

There's always nuances on how you get it done, what comes first, the chicken and the egg. But in the end, this is going to be a neighborhood that provides a lot of uh diversity for the town, a lot of amenities and quite frankly, revenue um to fix there's more money on the table to fix the problems at hand that this project, you know, directly impacts. as well as it brings $5.5 million to to add to other areas of the town that you know may may need some help. So, if there are issues in town that people are, you know, concerned about, this is a really great opportunity to help fix those problems. Thank you for that. And, um, I happen to notice that your last name is similar

Yeah. to Is that like a coincidence? My father. Yes. It's a family business. Yes. Thank you. My daughter's name is actually Brooke, too. She wanted to come present her project to next time. Next time, bring her along. We'd love to hear from her. Cuteness factor will help. She was wearing her princess dress, too. I love it. Awesome. Thank you very much. Thank you. We appreciate it. Have a good night, folks. Thank you.

All right. Uh we are moving on here to some old business. We have a public hearing for an application for formal review of a site plan for 40 residential units and a conditional use permit of 1,023 square ft of buffer impacts including associated site improvements in the C2 zone 225 Rockingham Road. Tax Map 15, lot 126. Gen X Construction Group LLC is the owner and applicant. Uh this was continued from February, March, and April of 2026. Good evening, gentlemen. Thank you very much for coming back.

Yeah. Uh please note that Mr. Verani has recused himself uh from this public hearing. All right,

chair, if I may before it, you've accepted this as complete back in February. you have a waiver this evening and just and the uh two conditional use permits, one being for the uh CO district and the other for the use itself and then of course the application. But just as a reminder, um at the hearing in April, the board tasks the applicant and staff to meet uh that includes the police and fire departments uh who are present this evening to specifically discuss um what you all discussed at that hearing, which would be the fire access um as well as the specific police department concerns. We held that meeting. Um the general takeaway was there is a a consensus that the comments have been addressed to this point but I will defer to those. Uh I believe the chief both chiefs are here the deputy is here as well to confirm that on the record for you this evening. But that is the short of what your task is this evening is to go through that process.

Thank you. All right gentlemen we'll let you start and we'll get to it.

Sure. I'd like to make this sweet. Um, short and sweet. We, uh, were tasked to take a look at the driveway. Um, we did increase the driveway to a width of 28 ft. There will be, uh, fire lane signs up along the east side of the driveway. Um the plan you have in front of you shows the uh firet truck apparatus coming into the site um staying in its own lane and circulating around the uh the bulb at the end. Um as staff mentioned, we did meet with police and fire. um I'll let them speak to you directly and answer your questions, but uh as far as um my belief is that we've addressed their concerns.

Thank you. Does anybody uh have any questions before we bring some staff up? All right, Chief, you want to start? Come on up. Which chief? Fire chief. All right, chief. We have a project here uh that has been in front of the board a few times. I believe the driveway started at 24 ft. 22

22 feet. Um the board had a a big concern about a 22 foot driveway um roadway, driveway, whatever you want to call it. Um the applicant has brought it from 22 to 28 ft. though obviously making a pretty significant um improvement to what was originally presented to the board. Um my question for you, obviously you've been doing this for a long time. What is your thoughts on in front of you is a is a turning radius plan for uh truck one. Um, if we take the human aspect into it and the reality of a development like this, what are in the event that there's an emergency in a development like this, what what are some of the obstacles you see the fire department having um in terms of getting in and out of the lot, getting to buildings, all of that?

Sure. There were three main things that we looked at, and I'd like to give credit where credit is due. Our division chief of fire prevention, Brian Johnson, did the work on this. He apologizes he can't be here tonight. He shouldn't. He's on vacation having a great time. He shouldn't apologize for that, but I'm here on his behalf. Uh we spoke in depth about this project and we had three major concerns or requests uh which the developer has met. One is widening the width of the road to 28 ft. What that does is allow us to set up the largest truck that we have, truck one, uh which is an aerial apparatus and has outriggers which takes up more than the width of the vehicle. We can set that up and be able to get around that with other pieces of apparatus. that was very important to us. Um, we also had the turning radius diagram done for the culde-sac or the the turnaround at the end of the street. Um, that allows our largest piece of apparatus to make the turn and drive out onto Rockingham Road because we don't want to be backing our apparatus out onto that busy roadway. And the other thing that we looked at is the setbacks of the actual buildings from the road to make sure that we can set up aerial devices and we can reach the very peak of the roof with our aerial devices which all three of those things have been met and as far as we're concerned um we thank the developer for working with us and we are all set with our requirements.

Thank you very much. Anybody have any questions for the chief Mr. Rug? uh access all around the building. Uh just from the front you could uh you know access what you need to uh perform any uh fire operation. Yep. From the front we'll be able to access with the aerial apparatus. From the rear we would use ground ladders, but there's enough access to get around the building 360° on all sides which meets code and allows us to uh get to the upper floors with either the aerial apparatus or ground ladders. Okay, good. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. D. Francesca. Uh, thank you, Mr. Chair. That was going to be my question. All right. Anything else for the chief?

I we really appreciate you coming out. It's very It's very helpful to have someone of your statute here. So, I appreciate it. My pleasure. Thank you. Thank you, Chief. Welcome again. Thanks.

Good evening, sir. How are you? Good evening, Mr. Chair. How are you? Good. Um, same question that that I had for the chief, just more geared towards police. What is your thoughts to uh access of the property? What concerns did the police department have uh for a property like this? Obviously, you know better than most. You've been in town long enough now. I'm sure you can give us a good idea how you feel.

Yeah. So, uh, really what my comments were, uh, we like flexibility. We like options. This is a single point what I called it's really a it's a driveway essentially. It's a long driveway. It's not a road. There's no other egress or ingress to the property. We like flexibility. Um unfortunately with this property, it doesn't really allow it. There's no other approach to it. You can't come in any other way. Um so my concerns were just about that. What happens when that uh that entrance way gets too congested. Uh when we get emergency response, we get a lot of vehicles there. We get stacking. So the addition of the 28 going out to the 28 ft. We discussed that. that gives us a little bit more leeway to kind of get those vehicle off to the side, you know, give us those options. Um, given the layout of this property, that's probably the best that we're going to be able to do. So, that's acceptable to us. As far as access all around, I was just talking about that flexibility. You know, when it presents an opportunity, we like to have another way in. We've seen in the past with with other developments what happens when the only way in gets shut down and then the people we can't evacuate them out, you know, with their vehicles and everything like that. Obviously, with this property, if we had to evacuate people out as pedestrians, we have options, but not vehicle traffic. So, that's what I was focused on.

Feel as though the police department will be able to perform their their duties as needed? I I do obviously um given the layout of this property, if there was a critical incident and we had to make other approaches, we would just adapt and overcome. Awesome. So, any questions? Yes, sir. I do. So, um as a former educator, I think you need to start working legs because your arms are getting ridiculous. I do legs twice a week. Brutal. Is that your only comment? That's it. I'm done. Oh my god. I'm going to wear that one for a while. Oh yes. Hope the chief watches this too. Thank you. I appreciate it. I don't think his arms are bigger than my legs.

Have shorts next time. Yeah, that's right. Just that coming in shorts. Yeah. Um you So I I don't know where we landed on my major concern, which was the proximity to the uh the main inter the triangle intersection in town. What What are your thoughts on that and and that other road that comes in there? What's the name of that road? Young is it young? No, Smith.

Smith. So, I I did make comments to that. Yes, sir. And I and I did explain to these gentlemen that my comments weren't directed just at them in this site. It was also about all the other development going on in this area. Um I think there's projects proposed for 222, 295, 196, 198. So, accumulatively, how much extra traffic is going on into this road? So, I know that everybody's doing individual traffic studies. We provided traffic data. I think over the six-year period there was six or seven accidents for that area. So, you know, all the way out to the Triangle Mobile. Um, so yeah, the traffic data doesn't support that, right? But then accumulatively is anybody looking at all these projects at a whole and how they're affecting that that area in that intersection. So that's what those again not directed just at these gentlemen uh and this development, but as a totality of everything taken in into account. I think I think like my main concern was the proximity to again Smith Road.

Yeah. Smith Road and the entrance lane that road uh in its proximity to this entrance and and you know somebody you know you know looking jotting out of there and then as Tony would say you know you know you're looking behind you trying to get out and then that guy this person's trying to get out too and then you both boom. It's a valid concern. I share that concern. It's a yield. It's not a stop right there. They're looking over their left. They're trying to merge in with traffic heading southbound. And of course, by the time they turn back that sight distance to that stop sign has now, you know, decreased, right? And so, I can't predict the future. I have that I share that same concern, but right now the traffic data, you know, it does accident wise doesn't support anything different.

Okay. So, yeah. Anything else? Thank you, sir. And I want to thank you too for coming out tonight because it's very helpful when you guys come. So appreciate it. All right. Uh anything else from the board? Traffic was the I think there was a meeting of the the mind so to speak with the uh state and uh the town and the developer. Excuse me, Mr. Sorry, author. Mr. Chair, would it be appropriate to dismiss the the chiefs so they can get up tomorrow morning? Oh, you want them to go home? I'm just saying we probably don't need them anymore. Of course. I'm just

Gentlemen, thank you both very much. I appreciate it. Sorry, Arthur. Traffic. Traffic.

Yeah. So, um, in terms of the traffic, I guess the traffic discussion, uh, what's happened since the last meeting was the the DOT issued their opinion of the need for the left turn lane. Um, and they found that it was not required, uh, was not the impacts of the project were not significant. they did not uh feel the need to change the driveway permit that was issued. Um so they were they were not requesting the left turn lane. In terms of other aspects related to traffic, there were comments that came from the town's peer reviewer which we um incorporated into a revised traffic study. Didn't change the results of the study really. Uh I think we had a at the you know it was it were they were minor changes um you know about a tenth of a second increase in delay at the Sims Road and Vistr Ridge Drive intersection with um um with 28. And you know that's really that's really it for

Was there any mitigation measures needed based off of your traffic study? No. Your updated traffic study? No, nothing. Nothing changed. Thank you. I can't remember if it was this project or another. Did we talk about no lefthand turns out of the complex or anything with this project? I just don't remember. I don't think so. It might have been another project. Yeah, I don't think so. It could be done with great difficulty. Did Did you make mention of signs on the call it north side of the plant? Yeah, on the east side or the 28 in that direction runs pretty much east west. Um on the east side we will have uh fire lane signs posted. So it'll be a no parking

no parking fire lane. What's the do do you have how far apart are they? Uh we haven't really decided. We can probably set them you know 100 feet apart or something like that. I think that would be a a reasonable amount. If I remember was it 1900? Uh I'd have to check. I don't have that number off top. I think it was around00 under 1,000 ft. There are little dots on the plan like 900 feet or something like that. So maybe it'll be 10 of them or nine of them. Okay. Yeah, nine or 10 of them. Cool. Anything else from the board?

The 28 ft. Does it start Does the 28 feet start by those little boxes near the those little rectangles near the Yeah, it is between the island and the edge of pavement on from here to there. Correct. Correct. Yeah. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Y um maybe this is more of a Kelly question. And Kelly, is is it is there a reason why like I've seen people park in front of signs all the time, tow cars all the time, parting in front of those, you know, fire lane, do not park. But what usually works is the striping.

So is there a regulation about about where you can put striping and where you can't? Like would this would this be able to have striping like that? Do you know? I think it would be beneficial to put striping, right? So, but can we ask for that or is the How does that work? You can ask. Yeah. I mean, I think that, you know, striping, I mean, no one's going to park there. They can claim they didn't see the sign because it was way back there and they thought it was just right there, even though there's arrows both ways. I've heard every argument for it. I would I I would I would like to see striping. That That's me. I don't know if that's

Kelly. Can you do something real quick for me? If you go into the folder, can you open up O250322 firet truck turning plan? And then can you put these side by side and just zoom in on them a little bit? So I have that one open. Which one are you saying? No. O2. Go up towards the top. O2. Oh, sorry.

Right there. And then put those two side by side. I want to highlight the importance of once she's able to zoom in on both of these the difference between the width of both of these lots. So, Kelly, just go to the entrance on both of them if you could look how much more room there is at a 28 foot wide driveway compared to what was originally submitted. and what that truly looks like and does to the flow of the site. Thank you, Kelly.

Um, did anybody want to comment on the striping? I I don't think it's a bad idea. I think it's a positive works for me. I mean, anything helpful. The problem is everything's fine until it isn't, right? And everybody gets lulled into a false sense of security and whatever and then something happens and all of a sudden people are parked. They parked on that side because they've always parked there. They've been parking there for the last 140 days and it's never been a problem. Well, because it's never been a problem. And so I think anything that you can do to amplify the fact that you don't want people to park there would be a positive thing. Um. Sure.

Yes sir. So, would I be striping leave like a 24 foot um travel lane and then stripe the last 4T? Yeah. Seeing that your current rags require a 24 foot wide travel lane. So, I'd be striping four feet of of that 28 ft. I could get behind that. I I Yeah, maybe we leave I think we can leave that up to staff right now. I'd be looking at John saying, "John, what do you think?" But he's not here. So, uh, I think that Kelly will be able to relay to John what we're looking for, um, if we so choose to make it a condition. Kelly, would you would you rather we made the decision or leave it up to John to work with them to make the decision?

It's appropriate to work with staff. Yeah. But but but I do think the stripe is need needed. And we've all seen the like the little the little fire lanes. They're like this big. It's because I think they're supposed to be pulling up on the sidewalk and I get that. It's just just to reinforce, hey, you can't park here. Don't say you didn't see the sign. Look at the ground. Yeah. What kind of stripe do you want? You want candy stripe? You want What do you want? What stripes? All right. Keep moving. You want diagonals? You want diagonals? On a 45 degree bias. Keep moving. Keep moving. Between the muscles and the candy.

All right. It's getting too late already. So, I I know the traffic studies don't bear it out and all that stuff, but um I drive this area every day, and I just and it it I realize I have to vote based on the legality of the issue and the things in front of me. I think this is going to be a nightmare. I I I just don't see any way that it's not. But it again, there's nothing the numbers say what the numbers say. But I think in reality when you get down to it, that drag strip between Rockingham Road and Smith Road, there's going to be a nasty thing that happens there at some point. Lieutenant Crew said he'll he's going to handle it for you.

Oh, okay. All right, you're all set. They're going to give him a unit there and uh they got to get him a helicopter. All right, let's uh Any other questions? All right, let's start talking about a conditional use permit. Um what's up, Kevin? a requested waiver. Waiver tree. Start. You mean start on page one instead of two? Please. Uh we do have one waiver we have to act on. Uh which is from site plan regulations 4.12 point C.19 is that five 678 relating to existing conditions plans not indicated trees greater than 15 in in diameter and species. I'm looking for a motion to grant that waiver. So moved.

I have a motion for Mr. Ferrell. Do I have a second? So second second from Jason. Uh all in favor starting with Ann, please. And the reason there's no substantial detriment to the public good. Thank you. Ann Champ I. Tony D. I Jason I r. Uh was he voting? No. No. I John. Sean Faber. I could have appointed you. I'm sorry. No. No. No. I can't. Yeah. Yeah. Eight of us voting.

All right. All right. And the chair votes in the affirmative. Um I'm looking for a motion to grant approval of a conditional use permit for about 1,23 square feet of wetland wetland buffer impact for the construction of storm water infrastructure. So moved. I have a motion from Mr. Ferrell. Do I have a second? Second. Second for Mr. Rug. All in favor starting with Ann, please. And Champ I. Tony D. I. Jason I. Arthur Rug I. Ferrell I. John Cruz I. Sean favor I. And the chair votes in the affirmative. The conditional use permit has been granted. Uh I am looking for a motion to grant approval of the of um let me get to my next page here. Sorry guys. 40 action required.

Yes. I am looking for a motion to grant conditional approval of a site plan to construct 40 residential town home style apartment units with associated site improvements at 225 Rockingham Road, Map 15, Lot 126, zone C2 and Route 28, Performance Overlay District. uh applicant and owners GenX Construction Corporation Group LLC um with uh the conditions outlined in the memorandum as well as the additional con. You skipped the cup or the use. I must be half asleep. Am I half asleep? Let me go back. Page two. Did I Didn't we just work on the cup? You have two cups. Oh jeez. I'm sorry.

I'm sorry. Um, I am looking for a motion to grant approval of uh conditional use permit for multif family housing in the C2 zoning district in accordance with LZO section 6.2 in table 4.1. So move I have a motion. Do I have a second? Second. I have a second. All in favor starting with Ann, please. Ann Champ I. Tony D. I. Jason Knights I. Arthur Rug I. John Ferrell I. John Cruz eye. Sean Faber I.

And the chair votes in the affirmative. All right. Now, I'm looking for a motion to grant conditional approval of site plan to construct 40 residential townhouse style apartment units with associated site improvements at 225 Rockingham Road, map 15, lot 126, zone C2, and Route 28 Performance Overlay District. Uh, the applicant owners GenX Construction Group LLC. Um, and we would like to add uh the condition that the applicant works with town staff on a striping pavement striping solution for the fire lane, if you will. So moved. I have a motion for Mr. Rug. I have a second.

Second from Mr. Ferrell. Uh, all in favor, starting with Ann, please. And Champa. Tony D. I. Jason Knight. I Arthur Rug I John Carol I John Cruz I Sean Faber I

and the chair votes in the affirmative. Um I would like to I think it's important to note this has not been an easy sight. This board has been a thorn in your side in particular. Um that said you have come to the board with um the board's asked you a lot of questions. You've come with a lot of answers. you've come with a lot of meaningful change. Um, one of which is very visible on this sidebyside comparison that's up on the TV behind me. Um, I appreciate you working with the town of London area. I appreciate you working with the staff um, and the planning board on this to give us the best outcome we can on what is a very difficult property. So, thank you. We appreciate you working with us and uh it goes both ways. Thank you very much.

Thank you. All right. Uh do we have anything else before we wrap up? Kelly? No, Mr. Chair, the the appointments that are listed on the agenda, you take care of last week, so you're all set. Fantastic. All right. I have a housekeeping. Yes, sir.

Um Kelly question. I try to do as much research like uh Tony before the meeting and and the the data that we get is a little bit limited before the meeting and then we come here and there's all this and you we try I try to catch up. Is there a way I mean I know our accounts we have all have Office 365 accounts. Can can you can you put these like on a one drive to like share these with us beforehand so that we can do research or Absolutely. The plans themselves are published with the agenda generally.

No, no. Correct. And then I review those, but when we get here, like there's a whole folder full of 13 items here like for this particular one more detail.

Just I don't want to put more work on on anybody, but if they shared a folder, if they shared this folder on one drive, then we would always have extra and as things get added, we would be able to see it. The town is working towards the ability to do that for outside of just internal. So inclusive of boards and committees. We don't have the one drive option right now. Um however historically we've used Dropbox or things like that. The only reason why that became ineffective was the links would expire and because we don't fund the full subscription but your to answer your question in short we can certainly do more

but yeah just so you know and I and what what I would it every off paid office 365 account does come with one drive and all and all all they would have to do is right click on the folder once and say share with these people. So understood. Okay, that was it. One other item. Yes, sir.

Um, so my um my children had the great pleasure of um going to basketball camp when um Miss Walsh was their uh was their coach. So that gives you an idea of how long I've known Kelly Karen. and um very sad to hear for the town of Londereerry but overly happy and proud to you know to see Kelly moving on and going up to conquered and uh going on to greater things and you're going to be greatly missed. So I don't know if I'm going to be at the next meeting or not. So I wanted to say that tonight thank you for everything. Thank you missy.

We're going to miss you. Is it going to be great for my goodbye tour this evening? I had no idea. Did I miss an email? I did. I didn't know. It's all just kind of happened. No worries. Oh my god. I haven't gotten. Good for you. Good for you. Congratulations. Thank you. If you look, Ryan, if you lived in town, you would have known.

Thank you very much. We're kind of hosed, but yeah. So, what are you going to be doing up there, Kelly? She's going to work with our friend Tim Thompson. I'm working in the planning department, city planner. Oh, well, you got a good mentor there. So, yeah. When is your last meeting? What's the date? June. The last meeting. Second meeting of June, I believe. Yes. We got three more. So, 1 of July Sylvia. Oh, yeah. It's the second weekend. Second meeting already. Yeah. So, make that a light meeting because I'm thinking snacks after the meeting. You're thinking snacks. Snacks. I'm big on snacks.

Some things that can go in these cups. Yeah. All right. Anything else? Motion to adjurnn. Second. All in favor, please say I. I. I. Good night, folks.