Conservation Commission - Regular Meeting

Well, I have 7:31. So, I'll call the meeting to order. And um Mike, if you want to vote for L. Okay. And I don't know if you want to look at this subdivision. [clears throat] One thing I noticed, Mike, maybe you can help us here too, is the you know, we got to two documents from you. We got this plan which clearly shows wetlands there

and then we got the application that comes to the planning department with all the zillions of check boxes on it. Yeah. Those check boxes, if I'm reading it right, says that there's no wetlands on the property. [laughter] And you know, and that was there's probably other wetlands right here, right?

Oh, yeah. No doubt there's wetlands, but if you look on the application checklist to go down a ways to bunch of NAS, do you know how far down? Um, you might you might be

requirements. Well, they have a wetland scientist. His name? [clears throat] Well, Bruce Gild. Oh, really? Okay. He's a good one.

Yeah, we a frequent flyer here. Call him just say hello. If I remember right, it's in a a clump of, you know, check marks on the right. Yeah. Um It [clears throat] says there's NA for a wetlands permit on page 16.

Well, that that might [clears throat] be correct because they're not disturbing any wetlands, right? Oh, okay.

Yeah. My concern was really just that if if that was wrong, are there other things wrong that would, you know, be of more interest to us? Um maybe we could just uh if if there are no other concerns, we could just recommend that the planning board ensure that the application in the site plan matches. On page 11 under wetlands mapping, it says wetland limits identified as NA.

Yeah. Impact area identified in square feet as NA. And what's the major heading there? Wetland mapping number 10 toward the bottom of the page. What's the page 11? You said page 11.

I misreading that. That is under the roadways section. roadways. So maybe because they aren't putting in roadways, they didn't um Yeah, there's no need to map them in relation to the roadways. Yeah.

So, who reviews the plan to see that they aren't impacting a wetland when they build whatever they're going to build? Well, I think that just has to be the uh building department. Yeah. building inspector. [clears throat] It certainly doesn't get the scrutiny that a site plan would. Does Mike, does the planning department um get to review building permits as opposed to site plans? No, we don't do we don't do permits. Yeah. So, they just if the building department says you're okay, you're okay.

Yeah. I just looked through my email. I guess I never got a response back from the engineer on this. Like I said, it's it's pretty simple. Yeah.

The buffers are on there, so that's a good sign. Yeah. At least they recognize that. Yeah. And apparently it was Bruce did the work on it. So it's it's not like they ignored it. Um so they're probably marked on the property. I'm sure. Well, that's something that we might have to require. Does it show on there? Signs? No, I don't see any indication. I was looking at notes and I couldn't find anything there either. You know, there's no indication of the um buffer markers as a subdivision that would require that.

I spelled Verani wrong on here. How could they spell Vani wrong? I suppose it [clears throat] could be argued that if they're not doing any disturbance and they don't need to mark the buffers yet, but that's that's a requirement of the subdivision. If you have the buffer, you have to mark it. Yeah.

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And they should be indicated on the plan. Yeah. Yeah. On the plan and on the ground. So is the theory this is just going to be a house lot or because it's a patriot it might be something else AR1. So, it's either a house or or they're adding to the property abuing the line is really quite clear on one angle where it's the it's mode and there's a line. I guess it's the subdivision line.

[clears throat] because owns this and I think she's taking on this. So, Jean, if I'm correct, the Oh, I see. The signs have to go up now, even if they don't build for 10 years, right? [clears throat] Has to go up before the planning board signs it. Yeah. Or Well, it should be. It's one of those, what do they call it? Contingency.

Yeah. Conditions, right? [clears throat] So that's it. All right. That was easy. Um, any one for public comment today? Got to sit over here. Uh Ray Buren 3 Gary Drive. Um I'll try to be brief. Um, a lot of this that you folks are dealing with is land use and there are rules and regulations and the developers go by that and but um I'm sure the conservation commission is concerned with land use and how it's used. Um, one of the things that was brought up at the town council meeting was about pocket parks and I think it's a good idea, but then again, how do you do that? Does it cost money? Uh, who's going to maintain them, etc., etc., and with should they be or should

they be? Um, I think the idea is good. Uh it's maybe has some connectivity between different areas of town. Um and um I'm going to try not to get into uh master plan stuff because that's that's different. But [clears throat] um I think uh does does the conservation commission have any opinion about pocket parks whether it's a good idea, bad idea, or Well, I think the plan needs work, but it's just she's just starting with it.

Yeah. There I know Mike came up with a map that shows all the town owned properties. Yeah. And I know I've looked at it and looked at some of the places, some of the properties. Unfortunately, I've crossed off some of them. For some reason, all the churches show up as town owned property. Uh there was a I sent Deb a new one. Oh, okay. Today, yesterday. Okay. Yeah, I haven't looked at it since. Yeah, I took off all those. Okay. Um

I did see a lightning bolt coming down toward the planning department from the man upstairs. [laughter] Um, so I think that's that's the first step is to pick a couple initial locations and see if we can't give some general direction and then drum up some volunteers that are interested in actually doing it because I think this needs to be a volunteer-based project projects. Yeah. Um because that's the only way it'll survive.

Yeah. Well, per personally I I have my own opinion about, you know, some of them that um could possibly be developed. Uh some of them are town owned, some of them are not, some of them are privately owned, and those conversations need to be taken u with the private owners. Um um uh I recently talked to uh uh Bob, what's his last name? Uh with the Appalachian up north. Um [laughter] that's what happens when you get old. See? Yep. I'm right there with you,

Bob. Merryill. And you know, uh, I I stopped by to pick up some crab apples and some other stuff and and talked to [clears throat] him briefly and, um, he's he's still interested in putting more more of their property into conservation. um whether or not there'd be interest any pocket parks or not or any of them are eligible, but um I I just think that we have a lot of areas in town still that um if they had access um would be beautiful areas to have pocket parks. Um but um I'm not going to get into master plan. [laughter]

Thank you for allowing me. Um Mike, does the plan that you put together include not the plan but the map of town own lands? Does it include uh like the 10% parcels, you know, little bits? It seemed to. Yeah. Oh, yeah. It was every even the little tiny ones. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Because they'd be ideal, I think. Well, again, that's when the the forest society and you probably could fill in details, but they were their idea was 10 to 10 10 minutes 10 minutes to 10 acres. Everybody should be within 10 minutes of 10 acres. Yeah. You know, communities should work for that as a goal.

Don't blame Don't credit that for sale. That was Londereerry. Oh, [laughter] yeah. What? That was that was Londereerry. That that was that was created when uh I I we were at the I93 meetings. I might have been a um I'm sorry, you're right. It w it was the the the meetings that the department transportation held about mitigating for the I93 construction

and I suggested 10 minutes to 10 acres as a as a possible goal for that. The program had a name. It largely was went unfunded and died. But uh anyway, I having not done very well by the DOT, when we did the open space plan in 2013, we included that and it's there's a map of it that shows which town which areas of town don't have

10 minutes to 10 acres. Well, when I was looking at the map, I was kind of had that in my mind that if for a place to start to start in a section of town that doesn't have right Musquash or Kendall Pond or, you know, the map exists, right? And the thing with the 10% properties that I was looking at, those that land tends to be across the back of lots with limited access. It was what they didn't want, right? But it's just as far as being a park, I think it would be difficult to justify putting it in

somebody's backyard as opposed to something that was clearly accessible to everyone in the neighborhood. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. Or maybe in the middle of a a circle. Well, it has to be big. The that was one thing that Who owns the center of a culde-sac? you know that that doesn't show up really as the town owned property. So, how do we you know not every culde-sac has a a center green area, but that I think that but they could

well some of them are too small. I know I used to live under cold the second it would have been too small to have a green center but even just trying to you know like in the kings trying to locate some nice center islands that could be a good starting point. I grew up in a dead end a culdeac with a wishing well in the middle and some bushes. So that was like a goal when I was a little girl, but some decorative item. That was all it was.

But yeah, I do think it's a good idea. And I think it's just going to take a little time to to select good spots to start with so that we start strong.

Can Can you send us all that, Matt? Go ahead. One of the things that's I think is really important is is access to these and um right of ways the town has various right of ways. Uh I I would like to know for instance um Charlie Kyle Lane who owns that property I mean there there are sewage there's um um uh other other things that are go along that. Okay. It's a right away for a certain amount of utilities

but who actually owns the property? Um because you know sometimes we assume that uh where the utility is they own the properties. I don't think that's al also uh necessarily true. Correct. I mean even the high line, right? Some of it goes across private property. They just have a right of way to go across it. So I I think it would be good to know who owns, you know, what are they? Class X roads. uh roads that are no longer used. Uh one of them [laughter] that I think of is uh you know where the uh the old brick schoolhouse is on Hardy and Pillsbury. Mhm.

Well, there was an an access up through there there were stone walls on either side. That that was an access. Now, I don't know if it was privately owned or or whether it's a an old right of way, but I I think we we need to know who owns some of these right ofways. And if a town owns them, sometimes if a developer comes along and they haven't developed and they say, "Well, we don't use that any long, so it's yours." Right?

But property is valuable. Access is valuable. And so, um, there's a lot of property that we have, a lot of really good conservation land. Uh, for instance, on South Gilchrist and, uh, along Beaverbrook. I mean, who owns that right of way? Does the town own it? Does the state own it? Some of it's going across state property. All this is all this is documented somewhere. It's It all rings many bells. I just can't tell you which ones are which. But yeah,

it's it's there because I remember, you know, working on it with some of the small parcels and and then there was a period when the town decided if there was that offered the land back to the people the neighborhood so they could the owners could split the difference and get rid of the wide away. Yeah. And and and that that's happened in the past. uh you know, maybe it's okay in certain circumstances, but any piece of property is valuable, particularly if it's access to other property, right?

Um so I I I think that's some something we should look at, too. Uh what property does the town own um that maybe we're not even thinking about, you know, just just like a small access old a right of way. Um I I think that's really important which I think you find a lot of those at the end of culde-sacs where somebody had put in basically a paper road for future development that never happened. Yeah. So to find those. Yeah.

Thank you. Um, moving on to old business. The Scobby Pond Boat Launch is becoming a major adventure for us. Uh several of us went out on Saturday with intentions of bringing that boat launch onshore for the winter, but we're stymied because the water level has gone down so low that it is sitting in the mud and is not moving. Um plus there's a couple rocks that block the path to drag it out. So we all kind of looked at each other and said, "Call the company and see if they'll remove it for us." So, I called the company yesterday, talked to the installation guy, and he was befuddled, too. He says, "Let me talk to my boss. We may have to come and take it apart in order to get it out." So, the cost, the normal cost to put it in and take it out is $650. I'm guessing it will be more than that if we actually go that route. I still am thinking that potentially DO DPW might be able to do something for us, but I'm not sure. So, I'm waiting. Hopefully, the guy from the dock company gets back to me this week. Um, so the saga continues.

Is he gonna come out and look at it? I'm sorry. Is he going to come out and look at it or is I sent him pictures when I was there on Saturday. I took more pictures. Plus, I had Bob's pictures, so he was happy with the pictures I sent him. I I got to thinking um I think that we could take that ramp because the hinge and not take the off, just flip it up. Flip it up and let it rest on the arm rails on the top of the thing. And then now all you got to do is, you know, may maybe jack up the this either either side so you hook onto it and then you know pull it out

because I was think the holes where the posts go in right I would think would be strong enough so if we put ropes through those to be able to pull it out but I don't know how yeah I would ask those guys how how much suction is being created by that mud because that can be some pretty aggressive Without the water, is there is there would it freezing mud damage it? Is that what they're No, it's supposed to pop up above, but it's our permit says that we have to remove it five months of the year. Oh, from the ES,

right? But then part of me says, what if we can't? What if we're just in a pickle and we can't get it out? We'd have, you know, just have a better plan for next year either. I would think put it farther out so that it won't get but if it's further out then people can't get on right then then we have to ex we have to come back in spring well we'd have to extend the ramp part which I think we'd have to get an amended permit. Well if we if the ramp didn't leaves the if it didn't go over the water it'd be all right. Yeah.

But what I'd worry about is if we left it just as it is that we get ice damage because it it can't move around, right? You can't relieve stress. Oh yeah. So if the company that installed it could take the boat launch piece of it off that Yeah. And I think it's mostly floating, maybe fully floating. The two sections that are left I think will fit between the rocks were pulled straight up onto the ramp which I know a couple of the rocks Susan was rolling them. Yeah, one of them was just one of them was really easy. One of them there's one that

is just sticking out of the mud so you have no idea how much is under the stuck in the mud but it's beside the float. Yeah, it's not it's not between the float and parking lot. So I think you could pull that as long as you pulled this straight. Right. Can I say something? Yeah. [laughter] I I I I think I think the best bet is to call Dave Wallally. Okay. Have the discussion with him. He's got the equipment to lift it out. I don't know exactly how far out it goes or how far he could reach, but at least have a discussion with him. Uh I don't I don't think he's

we had thought about charge you anything, right? You know what I mean? And I think it would be good to have the discussion with him to see because you I don't think you really want to drag it out because you you're able to damage it, you know, but if he could bring a loader and he's got No, he's got he's got he's got a heavy what they call an excavator, right? M that has considerable reach and and it has plenty of power to do it. Um and and so I I yeah this has just got so out of hand. This whole this whole thing was supposed to be So once you pull it out, what do you do? Just set it on the ground,

bring it up onto the dry land [clears throat] and then in April put it back in. Bring it back up. It it probably should be blocked though rather than just setting it on the ground, you know. No, I I I don't know. Um we had envisioned putting to slide it out. We we were going to put hay down on the ground. Yeah. Because that's and when you put it on thick enough, it's slippery and it covers up rocks. So it should have been theoretically Yeah. You don't want to damage it. So, right. But that's that's kind of the information. moved and set down on some timbers and so forth, you know, for the winter. Maybe that would be better. Just my opinion.

Well, I that's some of the questions I want the company to answer for me. Can it withstand? He said people drag them out all the time. Just drag them right up on the beach. Yeah. So, we'll see what I'm I'm familiar with the mud. I I I launched a [laughter] kayak there and uh the mud was up to my knees. Yeah. And then you couldn't get your foot out. Exactly. Yeah. So yeah, thank you. Um but it would definitely be worth talking to Dave. I mean Oh, absolutely. I think top manager is sympathetic to, you know, assigning the appropriate task to the appropriate department.

Um but here's my question on that um or task for us. November 11th is our would be our next scheduled meeting is a holiday. So town hall is closed. So we wouldn't have a meeting. So that brings us to November 24th till we meet again. Would we be willing to vote an an appropriation of up to $1,000 to remove the dock should we need it so that we don't have to wait till after Thanksgiving or right before Thanksgiving to bring this up again.

Just throwing it out there. Feels good. So, you're going to need a motion for that? Yes. I will I will move that we appropriate up to $1,000 to remove the dock uh subject to the condition that [clears throat] uh we can't get the public works department to uh do the work. Second. Okay. Motion by Mike, second by Bob. Any further discussion? All in favor? I opposed. Abstain. Motion passes unanimous. Thank you. be from our operating fund, I think. Right. Okay. The open space. No, not No, the Oh, you mean line item

line item budget? Well, if that's as much as $1,000, we will have some monitoring coming out of that. And we have our dues, which will that adds up,50. Yeah. $1,600 probably if we take into consideration the spin of or the RCC. Last year we underspent I think about over over $1,000. I know. But that that that that would then wipe us out if it's as much as $1,000. We have 32 theoretic. Well, last year we had 3,200 and I did not check to see what I'm sure it's the same thing.

Yeah, it's always been the same. We aren't even ask for our input anymore. My concern is that we not use the open space fund to fund operating costs as opposed to capital costs, right? And well then Yeah. Okay. Have to just go over a budget.

Yeah. Yeah. So line item, we may not even need it, you know, just an if. All right. Um and then this morning Bob and I um monitored Max/S Sunnyrest with the um person from the drinking water and groundwater trust fund. That's who it was. And who was that? What was her name? Um Laura. Laura.

I didn't write it down. [laughter] Um, very nice. She, you know, was looking for information and one of the things she was looking for was information about the agreement we have that when the dugout needs repair or replacement, it will be removed from our property. Do we have that somewhere in a document? I don't have it. Would it be I I can give you a draft of it. I don't think I have the signed copy. That would be in the office of town manager. Okay. It should probably be in the file that you know the planning maintains. Yeah, I can look what what um what property is this?

Um that one. [laughter] Yeah, the Oh, the uh the orchard that we now own. Yeah. Gotcha. Because the other thing she asked for was a copy of the lease that Sunnyest has on the property. Again, I have a draft copy. I don't have a signed copy. So maybe that's in there too. So um a lease the lease and what was the other one? The um agreement that when the dugout needs to be repaired I think it's just titled letter of agreement or something like that. Okay. That that that they'll move it out of

it's just a a one I think it's just a one pager signed by the town manager and by the president of Bla. And then afterwards she emailed me and you know thanked just for you know taking her around and and mentioned that behind the dugout direct right next to the dugout is a pile of trash and she asked for that to be removed which should be removed but who who gets to do that? That's Lafa.

Okay. All right. They they they had a trash barrel there last year when I monitored it. They moved the trash barrel into the dugout, which is good, but they left a pile of trash where the barrel had been. It's mostly just old bottles and stuff. Nobody said it would be easy. [clears throat] She also I don't know if it's something we need to pursue. She asked if we had a management plan from Sunny Crust as far as Oh, pesticide use and things like that. Yeah. Um, do they have a best practices covered in the lease? I think to a large extent, you should look at the lease before you do anything else.

Um, I can give you a financial update too if you want. All right. New business or old business? We'll do it as new business. I have

more things that I just need to figure out where I'm at. Um, I'm assuming you all received an email about the master plan meeting that's going to be November 6th, inviting you to come and give your two cents. Um, and it's going to be working on um the land use map trying to get public input as well as committees and commissions to get a a vision for, you know, what side of town do you want industrial, what side do you want residential, that kind of thing. Um,

aren't we pretty much locked into that right now? I'm sure there's going to be just a matter of tweaking the old map because most of the area has already been committed one way or the other, but it's our opportunity to put in our two cents. And um yeah, nothing says you can't change zoning,

right? But I mean, once it Well, even once it's built, it can be changed, but yeah, we have that opportunity. And then There's there's another meeting after that and it would be one of the chapters that we're working on on the master plan is natural resources. So we'd again like input from people who have maybe some knowledge that you can think of that would be good candidates for commenting. Do you have a date for that yet? Um cuz I was somewhere. Yes, but I can't remember what it is.

I heard heard about it. Workshop is the 25th. No, it's it's No, that's that's the mapping. Yeah. Right. Then there's another meeting that [clears throat] is um the specific chapters. Oh, and the chapter one is where we'd really like some expert support for us because I think we're going to want to be involved in that natural resource chapter, but we've got some time. Well, not much because we're only meeting one. So, if we can get that date pinned down eventually because that's I want to say it's the 25th, but I that's that's that's the day we we have a meeting with Okay, then that can't be it.

I think it's the 6th. Well, that's the mapping. That's the mapping one. Don't you meet like third Thursdays or something like that? Yeah, but I'm not sure if that's it. Then it's the 20th. My my thing is just sooner Yeah, it's probably the 20th. The sooner we know put can put it on the calendar, then something else can't sneak its way in. That's what's happening to me all the time now. Yes, I have that problem. I can't I can't do the six, but I would really like to be there for the

for the natural resource one. Yeah, I think that's that's the biggie. But but the the secondary part of that is anybody you know in the community like maybe people who used to be on the cons that still live in town because I was thinking of Josh. Remember Josh? Yeah. Um Maybe he'd be willing to come in. So just I'm asking you guys to think of people because he didn't he do bicycles as well, isn't it? Yeah. See, he would be he'd be a very good one. I mean, could you call him yourself?

Context. Good. I think just giving them a crash course on the open space plan would go a long way, right? to meet what they need. I've asked Kelly to this is just you would know bra was tonight and I don't think I copied you Mike but uh I asked her if I could bring a set of maps that that we used to develop the open space plan and just you know paste them up here on the wall so that okay people could refer to them but it's

egg land soil land soil aquifers you know all of the natural resources and then the the resulting green infrastructure map that when you put all those together. So, I can have that here if she's willing to let me bring it and and then I offered to give it just like a two-minute intro to it talking the mapping exercise now. Right. I didn't right. Yeah. But we could do the same thing with the uh whenever this meeting is 20th or for the natural resources.

Yeah. is just I you know got a presentation that we could you know modify for this group that says this is you know where the open space plan came from. You know I to me other than being wfully out of date it's it's still valid. So yeah. All right. That I think would be Yeah. So, as soon as you find out when that meeting is for sure, uh, let us know. All right. I'll email you because I know I have it in my town email, but I think I have something on my phone. Another page of notes from last night.

Okay. Um then for our November 25th meeting [clears throat] um first of all we were asked are we going to have that because it's two days before Thanksgiving but it's our only meeting in in November so I think we really need to have that and so um Sean and Tristen would like to come and discuss three topics. the code of ethics draft, the strategic plan, and administrative code revisions. So, I don't know what all of that is, but we're being included, so it's a good thing.

Yeah. Good. Um, and then, so you said before the 11th meeting is gone. Yeah, it's a holiday, so I'm She mentioned it's a holiday, so I'm assuming she's saying the town hall is closed. So, we wouldn't we wouldn't have a meeting unless we want to have it week before, the week after, but we haven't been having a lot of stuff come in. So, yeah, I mean, as long as there's nothing on the docket, why would just have a meeting,

right? [laughter] Um, and then the last thing I have is just we have the invoice for the um, NHACC dues of $1,50. So, I would just need to pro approve that. I move that we approve the bill of $1,50 for our NCC Nccon budget. Seconded. Okay. Motion by Deb, second by Jean. Any discussion? All in favor?

I oppose. Abstain. Passed unanimously. Um Doug, you want to do Sure. Um just a little update. I get I get these things in bits and pieces, so that's why they take a lot. This so this is for the first two months of the fiscal year which is July and August and we have one no wrong we have uh oh that's the last one sorry I think I printed the wrong one tell me I did or maybe that was just for state no I think I may have printed the wrong one

Mike's got it up right oh okay good I I sent it to him so And that should be the right one. Um, can you easily access what we've received in land use change tax for the last five or six years? Honestly, that's on the that should be on the thing that I supposed to have sent, but it doesn't look like that you've tracked it for years. I I did. Oh, that should be it should be on that one, but you know, at the bottom like in another page, one more page down. Uh, so this is the this one's the last page and this is the next one up.

There's Oh, that's interesting. Okay, one never knows with me in my computer. So, the habitat account has few has I don't know. It's it's it's coming up altogether different than it does on my computer because I have it on one page. So, maybe if you can make it a landscape. Um, yeah. So, there's $107,000 in Habitat account. It just keeps moving around. Uh, how do I make this one page? Oh,

okay. That's our open space protection fund. That probably don't need to know all the rest of the stuff. 1,545,358.32. That's what we have. There's also a $91 91,000 that because of the the way they do the banking comes from this calendar year but doesn't isn't won't be there until the next time they do an accounting 36,000 down there is is is so we're doing we're doing well but I so theoretically it should have been down there at the very bottom but I guess uh That is 24. Yes,

that's okay. Just show them that for a second. Okay,

just to remind everybody, we had got $867 plus land use change tax tax for 2324 minus the $100,000 which automatically ours moved it to the 7767 which was then divided up 4060. So our grand total was um 406 94409 plus an additional 18,000 which was again not transferred in that calendar year but aotted in that calendar year. So that was the biggest year. Last year was a there's nothing and only thing we have from last year is 19,000 that came in in July which was really belonged to the previous year but it didn't we didn't get up to our our 100,000

thing but that's the biggest year and I don't know what was really going on. I have not kept track of all the different properties payment plan people you know there's different sometimes they come from a loan company sometimes they come in a fell swoop from another company it's not necessarily the name of the owner it's who manag I I have not I mean the information is there but I haven't figured that out but I can I can clean up the land use change I just went back to 22 23 that was easy that was easiest I had. So, yes. Yes, the answer is yes. All right. I'm just curious. Well, yeah. I

because I have it tracked through like maybe 2016. Okay. And then yeah, I don't know. I I I was pretty anal about all of it for a while and then I just stopped being Justin provided the town council the last four years I think. when they had their discussion about the land use change act. So we was looking at the PowerPoint that you created for the warrant article in Yeah. So we have up to a certain date there's a gap between chart that chart and about 20 or 21 when which is where justice

here it is I I did ask Justin for those intervening years but I never got back from him and he may have assumed that because the council wouldn't even bring it forward that he I no longer I actually I could use that information right So, we just need to let me try to forward in what I already sent him and ask him could he please respond. If not, I'll

So, so I did find the I did I did find the page. I printed it up later. Um 12 24,000 in 22 23 264,000 in 2324. That's how much we got or that was how much we got. Oh, okay. much we got and then are you asking for how much we actually received totally or just how much the consom got? Well, I I do the math either way, but just so I know the difference. Well, I've got I've got I've got it. I can Good. Would Can you send that? Yeah, I can. But I I think I have a typo here, so I don't know what that means, so I have to [laughter]

Well, if I get it from Justin, then I've I've got couple all kinds of options. Yeah, numbers. There's one interesting thing that um we learned that is going to change some of the history and that when Woodmont Commons paid their land use change tax penalty. They paid it all at once. which is actually um illegal.

Yeah. Contrary to the regulations. So it should have been as they developed each property then there would been a payment for that property. The effect of that would be that there would be lower numbers on average where that that big clump that they got at the beginning would have been spread out over multiple years which would have then meant more money coming into the land exchange tax because higher value.

We wouldn't have hit the top as quickly. It also skewed people's perception of what we were getting. They thought, "Oh, you got $450,000 in one year. Woodmont's going on for years and we're just going to keep getting more." Yeah. Right. And that's why it dropped off precipitously. Yeah.

Yeah. So, yeah, we won't see that again. Um, this Saturday is the um, NHACC annual convention, which I think it might be too late to sign up, but I'm just telling you that in case you're interested, you can go and attempt to sign up. Do they have I have not gotten an email from them in a while. I have not. I'm wondering if they need to have our email updated. Yeah, probably. Reach. I still get it.

Well, I get I I don't know. Maybe it goes into um promotions instead of Well, what might need to be updated is when we changed the new email system, you know what I mean? Oh, yeah. Yeah. But it went we all gave them our own personal emails. I don't know. I just feel like I I usually get a lot of information about this and I didn't until it was too late. Yeah. I don't I do not get anything from them anymore. Yeah. So, I I'll create a new contact list and get that. Yeah. But that's what happened. Yeah. I think it's I think I [clears throat] get them through my personal email.

Okay. Well, I was too. That's where I'd rather get them. All right. Um I think that's all I have. Um, do you want to talk about the um the what strategic plan?

Oh, yeah. Uh, if you can put that up, Mike. So, I this maybe this is actually good. I u I thought we had an earlier deadline. And I thought that the deadline for the boards was um 1 of December, but I I made this up. This is the format that they're looking for. Actually, they don't call they call them objectives and then they say in parenthesis goals for the year. So, not sure what that means, but goals objectives. I think objectives is probably a better word to use, but this is just a draft that I sub I put together just to I guess maybe demonstrate, you know, how it could look to the rest of the commissioners and invite your comments on it and and then certainly invite you guys to uh add to this list. But that's this is where I got started. The other one that I wanted to put on was a, you know, we have this great water quality study that we did in 2019 um that identified problem areas and we never take an action to figure out what the sources are of the problems and that seems like the logical next step.

So I can I can uh finish drafting that as well. It's there's a wealth of information both in that report and and the dees website on every stream segment in town. A lot of them it's, you know, no no data, but but they're all there and and the bigger streams all have it and they all have problems. So, you know, this overlaps part of my hesitancy was this overlaps somewhat with the utility committee. So I want to raise this issue at the utility committee and and figure out that I don't want to be stepping toes on the the water subcommittee of the utility committee but definitely this you know these wa water is a natural resource that I think you know

is in our portfolio. So um it sounds like we got more time than I thought which is great. So, um, what I'd suggest is that we just, uh, Mike has this, just mail it out so everybody has a a copy that we can edit. It's just in Microsoft Word. Okay.

And then, um, at our next meeting, you know, bring additional things like this to it that you want to see the commission do. And I think eventually we'll need to add a column that puts a person's name uh buy it. So, we have some accountability because I came up with some things, but I'm not sure that they're all worthy of being on this list except for maybe establishing a force management plan. You know, we still need to work on that. Um absolutely, it should be there. Then

another complicating thing here and I violated the rule is u this plan that Tom manager is putting together is for fiscal year 27. So it starts you know June June of 26 July 1st I guess of 26. Some of the things I have on here before I don't want to I don't want to waste the next eight months. Right. So there's stuff on here that I think we should get started on now, but then it extends through, you know, 20 fiscal year 27

because how would we put, you know, our goals for protecting properties within the green infrastructure, right? That's what I tried. I didn't I wasn't that specific in the under the goals. That first goal is is where that would come from. Um,

and I was searching for a way to say not just any any any land, you know, but land that's got natural resource value. [cough] So, that's a good a good fix. I mean, I we don't really need to do the editing on this now, but that's the kind of thing that I hope everybody can bring to the next meeting and say, you know, let you know, let's edit this a little bit because it should be Because this should be something we do once a year every year, right? Yeah, we will. It'll be a rolling Yeah. As long as Shauna is in charge, I think we will. Well, that's [laughter] good. That's good. I'm all for that.

Yeah. It doesn't And even if he weren't in charge, I think we would want to do it anyway. Yeah. So that that meeting is the 25th or yeah, November 25th, right? So don't get so bound up in Halloween and Thanksgiving preparations that you don't It's going to be [clears throat] it's going to be a bad Put your thinking caps on and I'll be there one way or another. I may have to leave depending on how chatty everybody is.

Anybody have anything else? U mug, when you sent that, oh, it just probably, you know, put a little oneliner on the top that says, you know, this was discussed at the meeting since we got people that weren't here and we're looking for comments and additions just as part of the email. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Um, we can do minutes and then do a non-public. Sure. I didn't have any comments about the no changes. I'd move to accept the minutes of October 14th as presented. Seconded

motion by Bob, second by Jean. Any discussion? All in favor? I opposed. Abstain. Approved unanimously. Um, let me find my wording. I haven't seen this. I know. I found it when I was looking through something and I was wondering if you remembered it. Oh, I do. Spring of 2003.

Trailways did that. uh grant from New Hampshire Bureau of Trails of Legendary Trailways. Um I would entertain a motion to enter non-public session per RSA 91- A3 2D for the purpose of discussing property acquisition. So move. I will second that motion by Mike, second by Deb. And we'll do a roll call vote. David Heify. Deb Le, yes. Marge Bedo, yes. Jean Harrington, yes. Bob Maxwell, yes. Susan Allen, yes.

I Okay, I'll make a motion that we close the non-public session. I'll second. Motion by Jean, second by Deb. All in favor? I opposed. Abstain. Motion passes unanimously. Um, non-public was closed at 900 pm. Second. Oh, okay. I thought that's why it was a motion by Jean, second by Mike. All in favor? I I