Conservation Commission - Regular Meeting

I have 7:30 so I will call the meeting to order and um technology hill is up first telling stories.

So Nick, were you trying to act like a 20-year-old? No. No. I was just hoping with this last part of the project, I get a little bit of sympathy, so I went with the crutches. Uh, no, this is a a very old injury that I finally seemingly had corrected. Just didn't quite go as I expected. So, crutches for today and foreseeable future, but the mind is still sound. So, hopefully I can intelligently put together our presentation for this evening. Um would it be all possible to bring up that color gra? Oh, perfect. Do you know what page that is? It's a separate file.

Um it is a separate file. Um it's uh first one that comes up under materials under the material. I pushed the wrong.

So this that graphic does correspond directly to the site plans. There's no differentiation other than fact some pops of color just so that we can better explain what's what. All right. Um, so I'll get started. Uh, my name is Nick Goolan. I'm a licensed engineer and principal with the firm TF Moran here on behalf of the village on Technology Hill. Uh, relative to this installment of our planned unit development or PUD. Uh, as far as the packages that have been before you, uh, we've had a few, our infrastructure, our residential and leasing building, retail childc care, um, our first manufacturing offerings which were the on-point and spec 60 building. And now really what we are considering the the crown jewel of the development in our Envision building. Uh the Envision building is a 42- foot tall approximately 237,000 square foot building. Uh this is a two-story building. You as you can see from the area that surrounds it. Uh there is a fairly large parking lot that consists of approximately 700 spaces. Um lighting within the parking lot and the areas around the building are all compliant with town regulations. These are LED dark sky compliant with those sight lights set approximately 20 ft above finish grade. Um the darker gray elements that encircle portions of the perimeter of the project, those are retaining walls. Those retaining walls vary in height. They're as tall as 30 feet um directly behind the loading dock on the east side of the Envision building and as short as about 3 feet. As we uh look further south and southwest um to the area of the expansion of the parking, what I think I'd like to do is really almost give a little bit of a landscape presentation to tell you how we've tried to incorporate this building uh to its surroundings as far as the transition from the built environment um to the natural environment and then field questions as necessary if that that's appropriate. So starting to the left side of the page that is uh Envision

Drive that provides our primary access to the Envision building. Um the first driveway that we come across is our employee parking entrance that is framed uh with a lilac uh design of shrubs and bushes that then provides access as you work your way uh further into the employee parking area. Um, I'll touch on that in just an ele just a moment. But as we continue north northeast up the page, um, this is our visitors entrance. There you'll find a flag uh, pole bank with waves of flowering shrubs. This is mixed with ornamental grasses and lower evergreen ground cover that allows you to focus the view uh, directly towards the visitor's entry and the building entrance. Now directly to we'll say the souths southwest of that you can see an area that very much resembles the perimeter of the project. This is approximately halfacre area of existing mature forest that will be retained as part of this project. Um there is a wetland area that's less than a half acre uh it's approximately a quarter acre that is centrally located within that area. uh a lot of the narratives that were focused on in prior installments of the project, we're trying to maintain as appropriate buffers as possible to existing wetlands. Um this wetland sits down about 10 feet vertically from the finished floor elevation of our building. Um by the token of that and the grading that we provided and the applicant's desire to have um as smooth a transition um with the vegetated plantings that we have as possible. It provides us the opportunity to retain this area. So this existing forest pocket consists of maple, oak as well as saspress. So it does provide a nice overstory. So that you know that that understory that remains as far as the wetlands um should be able to continue to function as it does today. Um another element that we had discussed in prior

uh iterations of the project are wildlife passage. uh at the northwest quadrant of that existing forested area, we do have a proposed wildlife crossing that would allow for our smaller invertebrate creatures to be able to pass underneath our access road um to wetlands that are located beyond to the northwest. Um now, it's an important element also in that that is our primary critter corridor. Um the only element that would otherwise prevent critters from moving uh along the northerly side of the property uh is our our roadway crossing for insight way but that consists of a 14t tall bridge. So even our our larger mammals have the ability to pass through there. So that it does effectively provide the opportunity to provide that interconnection of that existing wetland uh to the area at the perimeter of the project so that those smaller mammals um and amphibians have the opportunity to pass. Now know it is not an acre, it's not two acres, it's not three. In an ideal world, that would probably be even a larger area that protects that wetland. Um we did have to balance the needs of the development with the needs of the environment. So, we end up with an area that's approximately half an acre, but that would allow us to continue to protect that area. Um, and I should have uh mentioned at the opening that there are no wetland impacts that are associated with this portion of the project. Um, the only wetlands that were actually impacted was that 900 square ft of man-made wetlands uh to make way for a circular route uh for access as part of our residential project. So, we we talked a little bit there's our that's our visitor entrance. Uh how that frames up the visitor's entrance. um talked about that mature pocket that would remain. Uh another part we're kind of psyched about is the area immediately to the east of that. Um here we have three different variety varieties of apple tree. So what we've done is actually incorporated our own apple orchard. Uh pays a little homage to to London area as a whole. Um and also provides just an

exciting opportunity for the owner to give back to his employees. They can have events out in the orchard. uh which I think is just a it's a tremendous idea and and ties out well with the community at large. So what we've done because you know dropping an apple orchard in the middle of a site maybe perhaps would be all planned otherwise but what we've done is we frame that to the west with native aelas and evergreens kind of soften that edge and then provide a smoother transition to that forest area that would remain. Um, working our way further south, um, we can see that's this is our employee entrance. So, the southwest quadrant of the building, um, you can see where there's that gray rectangular area, that is our employee entrance. Uh, what we see here is really a park-like setting. We have the curved linear patio located immediately to the east. We have some small trees on the interior, again, trying to promote a little bit of a pocket p uh, pocket park type sense. Um then it transitions to medium to large shade trees with shrubs uh shrub massings to create space uh separating um from the parking lot. Um in that the idea is this is going to be an exterior space that is used um frequently. We didn't want it to have the the feeling of the uh the equivalency of putting some tables outside your restaurant on the main road and saying all right that's that's your area to eat outside. This does provide a more enhanced enclosed area um that we think that the employees will really enjoy using. Now the landscape selections provided in this area as well as across this portion of the project are purposeful. Uh they have varying silhouettes and textures uh as well as a cross-section of fall colors from brilliant red to orange and yellow. Um and by those silhouettes I mean we have our triangular structures are more more evergreen. Um the circular

versions which are more of the tupelos uh ovaleesque which are the oak and maples and then the umbrella which is the elm tree that we saw at the main entrances to the facility both at Auraway and and Kittyhawk Landing. So again trying to tie together this project as a whole. Now the building itself has a little bit of a different feel um than the other buildings and that this is a sleeker design. It's intended to represent the high-tech uh nature of the work and manufacturing that takes place within the building. But we sought instead of through architecture of the building to tie it to the remainder of the development to seek to do so as part of our landscape design. Um transitioning from uh the landscape discussion, you'll notice that there are areas within the parking lot that have nice islands um where we've provided smaller flowering trees. In areas you see that that those do not exist. Those are primarily because those are subsurface storm water areas. Those are areas where we put uh tanks or chambered systems below the pavement to provide the opportunity for storm water to attenuate seep into the ground and for the excess storm water to be able to discharge along existing flow courses. uh I believe we provided enough we provided I should say we have provided enough landscape islands to be consistent with the requirements of the PUB and otherwise the the only other reason why you don't see more islands is al it's just other subsurface utilities whether it's water gas sewer or otherwise um but when we look at this project in totality we see a lot of green um and I know that was one of the points of emphasis is one of the points of emphasis in the PUD was to make sure that we were still providing appropriate green space. Um we did use a similar seed mix um in this application at the perimeter of the project um which was the wildlife seed mix again to try and provide a more appropriate transition from our built environment to the natural environment. U the last area I'll I'll speak to before questions is that southeast

quadrant. You can see there's a big massing of green that is an above ground storm water infiltration basin. So again, it's a 3 to four foot depression in the ground that provides the opportunity for a settlement of solids um before storm water can appropriately recharge into the ground. That will be a grassed area and even the maintenance access road that provides access to it will also be grass. So what we do with that application is we install a an appropriate matrix of gravel but then lmen seed on top of it. The reality is these maintenance routes are very seldom used as long as everything's working the way it's supposed to. So again, it provides a little bit more beautifification, a little a little more more attractiveness to the overall development and also helps reduce the amount of storm water runoff from the project site instead of just that having being a traditional gravel maintenance road. So I think I've I've hit on uh a lot of the high points of what we're doing. Um I spoke briefly to the the wildlife criteria. because I realize that has been a point of emphasis for the project overall. Um and also our intent to preserve existing mature forest which again as listed in the PUD was to be provided wherever it was possible and we felt this was a good application for us to provide that and have done so um which also provides the opportunity for a larger buffer area to that existing wetland. questions.

Is this building considered manufacturing? It is. And how many employees do you think that'll um it'll vary. Um the prior we'll say iteration of this company uh reached a peak of approximately 1,200 employees.

So this is not your traditional automation. Um, these are workstations much like you might see in an engineer's office of cubicles where they are putting together precision delicate equipment. Um, and if I I apologize if I didn't mention it at the beginning that what they're really making here are the products that are keeping our service men and women safe. Um, there are military contracts that are associated with what's being developed here. Um, if you have the opportunity to go to their website, Envision Technology talks a little bit about some of the precision equipment that they're creating here. Um, no. That's the that's the answer. Yes, Steph.

You won't be surprised at this question. Um, what is your management plan for those apple trees? Because they won't take care of themselves, and it needs to be written down, planned out, and people need to be aware of it. And you know, you knew I was going to say that

100%. Let me go to the part of my notes where I answer this question. Um, now PL PNL Landscaping has been engaged to be our our landscape provider for this project. Uh, we're working handinhand with them to develop that plan to make sure this isn't just a good idea that it can be implemented correctly. Um, and that there is a management plan in place for these. um just like at Max Apples or anywhere else if you're if you're not appropriately tending to these trees, they're one, they're not going to provide apples and and two, it can fall into disrepair quite quickly and the ownership team obviously doesn't want to spend the amount of time and money that they are on this development to see that portion of this project fail. So, there would be a management plan associated with that.

I don't have specifics um but they but yes, there would have to be um in order for that to be productive. Thank you. Yes. Could you help us um identify how this site fits into the the you know the broader PUD or maybe you can direct Mike to a page in the I don't know if you want to be in the plan set or in

look back to the uh site plans. It's in the first eight or so sheets. There's our PUB master plan or the overall site layout plan. That'll give us a a broad brush of the project as a whole. I can speak to a little bit to how it's how it's located and why and that's a great plan. So when we look at this plan, we see our access to the northwest is from Aureway. Um in that location that is our retail and child care uh elements. Those make a lot of sense to be at the perimeter of the development because they're uh a supplementary use uh for the folks who live here, but are also available to people who live outside of this community. As we come into the site, we pass over uh the the bridge which provides for that 14t clear critter crossing and then we see a split. Um you can either turn to the left, which would be to the right on this page, which takes us towards the manufacturing area, or to the left, which takes you towards the residential offerings. again purposely constructed in this manner so that we can keep those traffic streams separate. Um, also noting that there is our primary truck route from the south which is Kittyhawk um landing. So what I'll do is I'll take quick segue and kind of work my way back to that entrance. So from up Kittyhawk to the to the left we have OnPoint which is one of the uh owner's businesses. Uh as we work our way further north, there's the 60 foot or 60,000 square foot uh manufacturing facility. There's not a particular user in mind for that just yet. As we continue to work up that central corridor, which is uh Insight Way. Uh to the right, you can see where that parking lot begins and further to the left is where those residential offerings are. Um how this ties in overall to the project uh is is a couple in a couple of different ways. On day one, we're not going to have 1,200 employees. Um, it is a business that is very successful and continues to grow. The expectation is they will build

the entirety of the building, but it'll be fitted out as needed to as the the project expands. We've designed our parking lots um in part based off of one of the recommendations we heard from you when we were talking about the on-point building. Is there any way we can phase this parking? Do we need all these parking spaces at once? The answer for this building is no. So, we've designed this parking lot so that as you come up from uh the 60,000 square foot building uh and you enter into that parking lot, that area to the left, which is approximately half of the 700 parking spaces, would have the opportunity to be built at a later date. Um the area of employee parking that's immediately south of the building would be built on day one in order to uh support the employees for the project. Um we located this you know larger tenant at this northeast corner. Um as this is the high ground. Um given the technology technology they use which is electrooptical systems it provides them the opportunity to be testing those uh facilities from this location because it gives them longer ranges of sight which was an important feature in designing this location of the building. Um, also in this is our our larger user and would have the largest, we'll say truck traffic, although it's fairly limited. Um, and also allows that truck truck traffic to take as far uh take place as far away from our residential offerings as possible as well. So, it's tucked nicely in that northeast corner. Um, which again is the high point of the site with the only other future planned uh portion of this development to be the foundation building which would be immediately adjacent to it. acknowledging that there is the opportunity for an additional 25,000 square foot manufacturing building further to the north and that there isn't a an end tenant or a specific demand for that just yet. We have not furthered those design plans. So when we look at in the big picture, we can really see how from the access roads to the placement of the

structures, how this this plan unit development really comes together. So, the testing that's going on in this building, are we talking about a firing range? They do have a ballistics facility that is incorporated within this. Yes. I'm curious how you're dealing with a Butters. Um, they are soundproofed. Um, is part indoor.

Yes. No, nothing. There's no exterior firing range. This is all in there. There's it's an interior ballistics facility. um that's located within the structure. Um I won't get into the specifics as far as where it's located, but it's partly subterranean, so it's providing additional insulation. There are um exhaust systems, there are sound systems that are all associated with this. The North Branch Construction, who is our construction manager for this, have built similar facilities in the past um for Sig Sauer and Eping as well as elsewhere. So, we have the benefit of their prior knowledge as to how to best incorporate that into the building. Um, and again, it goes to relative to its location, it's as far away as possible from any other of those components of our project.

Do the parking requirements um apply to the PUD as a whole or are you required to meet parking requirements for each of the facilities? You know, for each of the for each of the uses. So much like the current zoning ordinance prescribes x amount of for x square feet of retail you need to have x amount of parking. Um we have similar requirements for the PUB but those are more based off of uh the Institute of Transportation Engineers requirements opposed to the town's requirements which were you know prescribed some 50 60 years ago and we've just provided a more up-to-date reference

because what I'm reading is it says 0.92 per thousand square feet. That sounds correct. Which doesn't come out to 700.

Let's take a look. As much as I try and commit all elements of the project to memory, I can't say it is all at the ready. Uh, yep. So 92 spaces per 1,000 square feet. So that is a minimum requirement of 220 spaces. Um, now I mentioned we have exceedingly more than that, approximately 700. This is based off of the applicant's prior business and that he is expecting to have more employees at this point. Um, that if it's upwards of 1,200 employees, a parking area of 700 spaces allows for the opportunity for the shift change that we have and to meet the program's needs.

Two shifts, right? Yes. Uh it's it can even be as many as three, but that third shift is almost strictly janitorial. So you're a dozen people. So I I guess I don't understand why if we have parking standards written, why the differential? Why why are we so extremely over it? Um again, especially in in a development where people are supposedly living here. Yep. And should be walking to work. I in a perfect world, yes. Um there would be fewer and fewer parking spaces. Um what we've achieved that's a lot of that's a lot of

what we've achieved with the secondary parking spaces which are to the west of the building also provides for overflow parking for the residential uses. Um so that those residential uses if I recall right that was at a like a one one or one and a half to one per unit. Doesn't really afford for visitor parking to a great extent. So that more westerly parking lot which is for envision also provides that opportunity for overflow for our residential uses. Um we have thought about this in the aggregate so that the parking as a whole can meet the development's needs as the development's needs will shift with parking over time. Um there's also the need for snow storage. So a portion of that would be afforded to be kept in that westerly parking lot um during the winter to make sure that we have appropriate areas for snow to be stored. Although I should note that the majority of that snow is all intended to be within really that that long uh central green that's located um center to the project. So understood as to the question of if your regulations that you wrote say you only need 212 parking spaces, why do we have 700? That's based off the future growth of the project and the long-term parking needs that the owner has identified. So there's nothing that holds you to your regulations that you wrote.

There's nothing holding us to providing more parking. We cannot provide less parking. Have you looked at um alternative uh commuting means, van pools, you know, a bus that runs a shuttle from the residential area to the factory? It seems ideal. You got to work in shifts. Pretty much everybody comes and goes at the same time.

That is not something that we've evaluated. I can bring that up to the ownership team. Clearly mineralizing the parking would be key to us. I understand. You had mentioned that uh the forested area

Mhm. vegetated area west of the factory. Yes, sir. You you called that a wetland. So there is a but it's really not right. I mean

no it's wetland. There's it. Our wetland scientists went out there and evaluated it for those three indicators and it is a wetland. Um it doesn't reach the size to to necessitate a a buffer and as you know our PUD does exclude that. Um it's only for buildings. Uh does that requirement be tripped for a conditional use permit? But if we could is it possible to zoom into the area of the Envision building just a little bit? Yeah, there's PDS. P P P P P P P P P P P P P P P P P P P PDFs always get me trying to switch between one. There we go. So, in a lot of cases, we have much more than 50 feet of buffer area. Um, in the area that we are regrading around that wetland, we're not directing necessarily storm water to that location. it'd be allowed through natural infiltration. And that area to the east of that wetland is an apple orchard. The area to the north of it is landscaped. And the area to the southeast of it is also landscaped. So it's not necessarily that we're replacing that buffer with hardscape. Um it's just a in order to tie out our grades, you'll see a slope. And in the cases where we do have that slope, our landscape architecture department has designed appropriate landscape plantings.

Um I was going to ask you if there was a way to make a short walkway through there, but it looks like the wetland's pretty much down down the center of it. So, because I was thinking about, you know, this whole thing about getting out and getting fresh air at lunch and, you know, stuff like that, that's going to be a big deal in places.

So, at the southern uh portion of that wetland, you can see where it really necks down gets very thin. Um, I'm I'm really glad Ken's not here tonight because he'd say, "Nick, that's what I've been asking for." like we're we're working towards whether or not there can be a walking element that bisects that area. As long as we're not impacting the wetland itself and we're spanning entire in its entirety, there's no permitting uh implications. There need to be no permitting implications through the town as well. So, those are those are some of the uh additional elements of the project we look to see as this project actually gets constructed. Icing on the cake,

we want we want to see where are people walking and and how and how can we then follow that routine. Um, I'm not sure if I've had a lot of projects where we've tried to prescribe, all right, this is where your off thebeaten path walking trail is going to be and then walk right next to it and they won't use it. So, they end up going and spending this money to to install something only to see that um the human brain wanted to work a little bit differently and decided there'd be a different route. So, our expectation is that those walking trails will really be more organic. We'll see how the areas are being used um and then we'll be able to incorporate those elements to the project thereafter.

So you mentioned that that wetland is sort of part of the wildlife corridor scheme that you're trying to follow. Yes, sir. But if it's that wrap the parking lot wraps around it. So, in the building, I don't I don't see the I don't see it as a corridor. It might be a refuge for people from

Perhaps that's better stated as we're preserving that wildlife refuge opportunity there and that we're allowing free passage through the wildlife uh corridor passageway uh which is a 36 in covert with a naturalized bottom based off of input that we received from fish and game um to be able to connect that area to the perimeter of the site. So, you're talking about the one that goes underneath Envision Drive. Yes, sir.

And then that opens it up to that larger wetland area that's to our west. Um, acknowledging that would be the expected path because the reality is the grade climbs another 80 ft beyond our site. So, I'm I'm not I guess we're not expecting amphibians to be climbing up the hills, but instead to seek out the water sources that are immediately available uh adjacent to the project site. Yeah, I think what you say holds true for small mammals. I'm not sure it does for larger mammals.

That's fair. Um because the reality could could we find some deer perusing our apple orchard? Wouldn't be surprised. Um and it's, you know, are they they won't necessarily be coming from the south across the parking lot, but could they be crossing Envision Drive to get there?

Quite possibly. It's only 25 mph speed limit. Um you know, this this isn't the Ottabon out there. We we have these speeds purposely slow to try and promote this as a walkable an environment as possible which should have some environmental positives as well uh I didn't bring my glasses tonight what's the area starting from the northwest corner of of that wetland on the other side of Envision Drive loops around like a back like a letter C.

So that's the paper street. Um there's an existing Woods Road there that follows the existing water line for Manchester Waterworks. Um there are no improvements that are proposed in that location at this time. Um if we were to try and incorporate something there, we'd have to look to incorporate an additional wildlife passage to try and provide that connectivity. Um, right now there's no development proposed in that location. So that is just a, you know, 12 foot wide kind of earthn gravel road that Manchester Waterworks in order to uses in order to access their water line. But the town does hold a paper street there. So if we were ever to look to develop that, we'd be working with the town to relocate that.

Could you remind us what's You're zoomed in, right, Mike? I can zoom in more. No, no, I am zoomed in. Yeah, I zoom out a little bit so we can see what's south of the big parking lot. Okay. So, what what is it that's in that's souththeast of the of the PUD owned land? Is that another manufacturing. Um, so you mean our butter? Yeah. Right.

Um, I should know that offh hand. I'm trying to remember it's like is it what's the it the name of the Oh, that's the I'm sorry. I should That's the Merrills. Kittyhawk. Kittyhawk. Uh, is it Kittyhawk? Yeah, but it's farm, right? It's a it's part

it's part of the property. Uh it doesn't have farm immediately adjacent to us, but it is the Merrills that own that property. Um if we wanted to bring up an aerial image, if we're connected to the internet, we could do that and get a better idea of what sits there. because I'm curious how how close that is since Mike mentioned it too. So it's it is it's undeveloped. Yeah. Right.

You can see the farmlands uh for the Merrills that are further to the south than southeast, but there is a pretty substantial forested area that will remain between the development and those areas and a pretty sizable hill, isn't it? Yes. Yeah, it is. Well, that's that's always been like the barrels they kind of traditional climb kind of thing. It's one of the highest points of London area. And now Mike, if you could just zoom out enough that to get Okay.

See, Mike, I'm thinking that Mike spells I'm thinking there's more of a corridor there if that land is not developed. Of course. So the the corridor, you know, the most of it in the on the fishing game map is up here and and it comes in this way and then it goes down like this. So you can just imagine it. So you know, we don't this is this is conserved. Now this piece we hope is going to not be disturbed. What we're what we're talking about is is this area in here. And what would be ideal is to allow this corridor to continue through here. Uh, and that would mean giving up some parking spots in the mega parking area, but I think there's spots to be given up.

Well, so I think we could solve two problems at once. We could we could restore the corridor and we can reduce the number of of the amount of imperous service that is you know caused by the parking area.

The only thing I'd say to that sir is for 1,200 employees 700 parking spots sounds more like the bare minimum not the maximum understood as to the parking calculations and what they prescribe. Um, and for some of the other types of developments, uh, or other buildings within this development, that parking calculation applies and it makes sense. Um, relative to this use and the long-term needs, it would be shortsighted of us not to be able to provide the long-term parking needs for the overall development at its full buildout. Now, that said, it doesn't mean we can't phase that construction so that half of those 700 spaces could be potentially built at a later date. you know, maybe it's five years, maybe it's 10 years, maybe it's 15 years that by then that the company's grown to the size that it needs to. Um, the expectations of the owner is it's going to grow quite quickly. They they've already doubled, triple, quadrupled in size, it seems, just over the amount of time it's taken us to permit the project. Um, he's a very successful businessman and he and his wife. So, they they have a a very good business model which we would foresee is continuing to grow. Um, I I can't see eliminating a portion of those 700 parking spaces as trivial to their their long-term goals for that project. The ability to build them later, I think is realistic. And if for some reason that the the business doesn't grow to that size, they never need to be built. But designing not only the parking spaces, but the infrastructure to support them now, I think is really important. phasing wouldn't really help because the first phase is the one we'd like to get rid of

or at least postpone. Yeah. But that that southerntherly portion that is the employees entrance. Um which again purposely divided due to the nature of the business and the government contracts that they have. Of course, if you're enormously successful at establishing the shuttle bus to the residential area and the van pools for your employees, um you know, maybe maybe you won't need as many as you think.

I've certainly seen that work at a municipal level. Whether or not it works on a private development level, I haven't seen it incorporated personally, but doesn't mean you don't ask the question and we see whether or not it's a suitable alternative. So I will review that with the ownership team, but understood that continuing to maintain, you know, as much of that wildlife corridor as as possible has always been a goal of this commission and we we've done our best to incorporate it with the wildlife passages and various elements of design. I realize it's not a perfect fit.

I mean, to me, it's a hard break. You know, either we're going to do this or or we're not. Um, I think certainly the commission could recommend the planning board that that they thoroughly investigate the possibility of running shuttles to the residential area and creating van pools for employees that live farther off site. And then that they phase the parking lot development in a manner that allows them to maintain as much of the existing wildlife corridor as possible for as long as possible. Understood. And

could there be some sort of incentive to get people to carpool? I would assume so. Um I can't say that being being a small business owner. I I know that's not something that we've necessarily ever tried to incorporate. TF Moran's about 75 some odd people. I I think 20 years ago we saw a lot of it. Um I don't know why it went away. Um yeah, I do. That's what I was thinking of. I I it did seem to just more urban areas now. Um whether it's concerns with COVID or personal space or otherwise. Um

well shoot just even even from a microcosm of how often do you see co-workers go out after work. It's just that that dynamic is really absent in our society in a lot of ways. Um not to make a big socioeconomic speech, but it's the reality. Um people want their own space. Um, and if employers want the best people, they do need to see what those folks are also looking for and create a safe space and environment for them to work that they feel comfortable in. And telling people, well, you've got a ride to work with with Bill and Ted. Um, and doesn't turn out to be an excellent adventure, that's just not fair to the employee, but acknowledged that that that is a desirable aspect. So, um, it's certainly something we can review with the ownership team and if there's an opportunity to incorporate it and it provides a benefit to that employee, too, then everybody wins.

You need that.

It never hurts to ask the question. It's just whether or not operationally, facilities wise, can it really be incorporated, but it's something we can definitely further evaluate. So in the in the interest of full disclosure, uh when I was managing electroloptical uh sensor development programs at Rathon, uh Envision ripped off a lot of good guys and I I just wanted the record to reflect that uh they were good friends of mine and I very much uh was happy to see them advance their careers and I do not hold a grudge against them. I still would like to see that wildlife corridor.

I I appreciate the the honesty and at the same time um whether it's an employee, a friend or otherwise, they always have to advocate for what's best for them and their families and sometimes that's making a a career change. Um and maybe there's a small part of me and certainly of uh the ownership team looks at and says that means they they got the right people because there's someone right now speaking essentially on their behalf that hey, you got the good ones. Um, and that means they're that they're running a successful business model. Um, they're creating that right opportunities for their their employees. But thank you for sharing that. Anybody else?

Okay. Okay. Thank you as always for your time. It may be a little while till you see me next. Um, and then we don't have another portion of the project that's um, kind of in the pipeline, but there may be some revisions that we're making to some various elements that'll bring me back. So, all right, we'll see you till then. Thank you. So, when when does groundbreaking start on this? We are into we are hoping to have our bridge operational I think the second week in November.

Oh wow. Uh residential offerings um are well under construction vertically. Uh retail is under internal fit up right now. So if you drive by you with with permission, I suppose you could walk around inside to take a look at it. But if anyone's uh curious or wants to to take a tour of where they're at with construction, feel free to reach out to me and I'll connect you with North Branch Construction and Bruce Blazison can make sure you guys can see how we're doing. Okay. Well, thank you very much. Great. Have a good night.

All right. Old business week. Oh, yeah. Sorry. Any public comment today? Transportation just cars.

Good reason at work. Ray Brlin 3 Gary Drive. Um, is this I got here a little late. Is is this um building that they're proposing along with the parking um an additional or was this part of the original? It was part of the original. Part of the original. Okay. Yeah. Okay. and uh

space was left open with a hypothetical building there and then now that they know who their tenant is, they know exactly the size and need.

Okay. So, yeah, this was part of their original vision. Uh but it wasn't part of what they were working on to build that building, you know, because they're doing housing and all that. um currently. Um so they probably decided that they are going to move forward with that and um sounds like a vision uh as far as 1,200 employees uh all of that parking and um I think what Mike said was important. uh if most of those people are going to be living on site, which it appears to be the case, uh I would wonder why they would need to have all that parking space if they're coming from and going to and uh that was brought forward. Um that's something that perhaps they're going to go back and look at. Um the other the other concern I have is uh with storm water runoff. uh the elevation um is pretty high and there's always been storm water runoff and they've made provisions uh for a lot of that. Um assuming that uh it would saturate um back into the ground. Uh but when you have large areas of parking, when you have uh large buildings uh that take up all of that surface that the water could saturate back into, um that water's got to go somewhere. And um even if you put it into a retention basin um if you have a very large storm, we probably need one right now um with all the drought. Uh but um

there's obviously always the potential that a lot of that is still going to uh run off uh down. Um so I I still think that's a concern. maybe they've taken appropriate um measures to take care of that. Um the other thing I I look at is it sounds like most of this is going to be government contract work. Okay, which is fine. Uh but I have to wonder whether at some point this is going to be a gated uh situation.

Uh particularly if if they're doing government work in in in this day and age. Um that always has to be a concern with all the u people that do bad things. So, um I don't want to uh find fault with the project, but I think there are some concerns and questions and um I appreciate what you folks are doing to uh keep on top of it. Um the other thing is fire protection. Um I I don't know what the what arrangements we had for these um housing buildings which uh look like they're three four stories high. Um do we know whether they're going to have fire protection in those buildings? In other words, usually look, I I used to work in the field. I worked on generators in emergency fire pumps. Um, at least in Massachusetts, uh, if you have a building that's four stories high or even three stories high, uh, they're looking to have, uh, booster fire pumps in the buildings or maybe it can be, uh, shared with a couple of buildings. But um u a lot of times uh the fire pressure um can be low for sprinkler systems and you need boosters. Um I wonder whether they have um

provided for that and right yep I'm taking up too much time. I'm sorry. No, I just a request. Um, were we to respond to your fire concerns, we would be stepping outside of our role as a conservation commission and putting on little planning board hats and we get in trouble for doing that. So, I understand. We can't really comment. I I understand. I understand. I understand. And that's that's uh things for the fire department to look at. Well, thank me. Uh, thank me. Thank me. No, thank you. Thank you. for allowing me to speak. Thanks. Right. Bye.

Unless anybody's got any questions. No. Okay.

All right. Thank you. Um, now we can talk about the taking the dock out. We probably should get doing that soon. And I'm trying to envision all the materials we need to float this thing. So, I'm picturing a couple of cinder locks, cement blocks on a chain out in the water and then some sort of cable up to the dock that we can I guess lock to it so it it stays in one place. Does that sound workable?

Anybody have I I mean not in my not in my ballpark. No. So, basically pull the dock up and tie a cable around it just to keep it from floating out. Well, we need to float it out in the deeper water away from shore. Um hopefully, you know, I'm thinking how do we keep somebody from stealing it or how do we keep it from floating away?

Um it can't have too long of a leash because our water frontage is narrow and it can't go outside our little area. Um, I don't know what guidance we got from the guys who build it. I'm very familiar with what goes on the the saltwater coast and there the docks are pulled out. They're not right. They're not put further out because the storms got they're removed from the water. Yeah. I don't think we have to worry about storm surges or anything. You have to worry about ice.

Ice is why we have to take the posts out because it'll just smash. it'll bend them right over. But the thing that we learned this summer is that the level of that pond, that lake, varies substantially. So, whatever we do has to have at least some slack to allow for rising water so it doesn't sink the thing. Um, I don't know. We need two lines so it doesn't go one way or the other. Well, you if you want to allow for the increase in depth of the pond, even if you put in two lines, you still have to have slack on each line. So, it's going to, you know,

it's still going to go, but not like way over one way or way over the other. I'm hoping. So, what are you trying to do? Just keep it going up and down. And that's the concern is that it's got to go up and down, but I know that you can't allow for that without it being able to move side to side, too, which sure you can just do a post on each side with a ring and just goes up and down on the ring. But we're afraid that the ice moving is going to break the bend the post. It's on It's on post right now. Oh, okay. I've never seen this. I don't even know where it is. Oh, it's very cool. You should check it out. Um,

yeah, we have to take the posts out so that the ice as it's flowing doesn't just bend those posts right over. You know, we could ask what what they recommend. Yeah. What does the 500 thou what $500 get us when they come in to do it? In other words, I mean, it can we just find a a DPW vehicle with a a winch on the front and and hook on to the two eyes where the posts go and and pull it up to shore and then just let it set on shore for the winter. You know, lock it if we have to with the chain. Yeah. To a tree or something.

Um, that might be easier. I'm thinking it might be. and then getting it in. I'm wondering if you know about five people pushing on it might have been enough to slide it. I mean, it's not it's not heavy heavy. And, you know, is there are we risking any kind of damage, you know, dragging it over the shore? Are we going to be silting up the pond? But sounds like a good Eagle Scout project. I think it's I mean I could imagine just putting I think it sounds like a good DPW. There you go. Putting down, you know, plywood, right?

I think you'd probably need, you know, at least two, maybe four pieces. I don't know which way you'd have to orient them and then just slide it over the plywood. You wouldn't be pulling over all the sticks and stones. Do we ever have anything in the uh from the times about this stuff? Oh yeah. I read it every week. I don't remember back. Oh, there was pictures and everything. Jean fishing. He was a star.

I guess I missed that one. I don't think I'm really concerned about the bottom getting scuffed up because when I think about dragging kayaks in and out on the gravel or concrete, yes, it gets scratched, but not anything I would consider damage. So maybe if I contact the the dock people. Yeah. I just see what their recommendation is and then see if we can get DPW to just like you said pull it out. Yeah. I mean we have friends in high places. Yes, we do. One of the things we probably want to do if we think the poles are in posts are in the right places now is mark those

location. That was that's a definite and that can be as simple as a concrete block with a rope and a small float on it. Yes. So you can you'll be able to see the float in the spring and follow the the rope to the Yeah, that's what people do on on lakes when they have their buoies out. Y Yep. Well, if you do if you do the near posts, then you're set. Yeah, it's any any two posts and you got it figured out. All right, let me work on that. Um then does anybody else have any old business before I go to new business? Must paying our bills is considered old business. No, I've got it on new.

Yeah. Um so we have an invoice for work done at Lithia finishing up the um removal of the causeway. It's $1,40025 to West Environmental. Um, don't you love it? How do they get that number?

And what that covers is, um, him supervising the operation, uh, putting together a report after it was completed. And then there'll be additional charge every year doing his monitoring activity which we've pretty well got um first three years are covered in our budget that that we got a grant for new going in. Okay.

Um and then I'm negotiating to try to get additional funding for the years four and five and the signs Anyone would like to make a motion? So move. Oh, I can't. I'm not altering. I will move. Okay. And um out of the open space fund. Yes, please. Seconded. Okay. Motion by Deb, second by Jean. Any further discussion? All in favor?

I oppose. Abstain. Thank you. And then we have to the same guy. Is this an estimate? Right. So, um you might recall we're trying to see if we can acquire the um

Murray's auto recycling, the junkyard off of Hall Road. Um, one of the possible ways we could do that uh, financially feasibly is to get a grant again maybe from the aquatic resource mitigation fund that does that you know funded the Lithia Springs project. Um it's it's a it's a bit of a of a stretch because we're asking them to help us buy a piece of contaminated property for the purpose of avoiding the contamination of you know downstream properties. So the question is is there what's in it for the ARM fund to do this? And what we would like to do is get the same wetland scientists we use on Lithia Springs to look at the property and figure out is there a set of restoration measures that we could do that would restore the property uh you know allow it to bring out its conservation uh attributes and then interest the ARM fund in in pursuing it. How much time do we have to do that?

Well, we have a fair amount of time if um so I would not want to What I'm What I'm asking is this that that we would approve the funds to to have him and do that. He's made given us an estimate of $700 to look at the property and and write up the report. I don't want to to uh commit to spending that money until after we know we've got a deal with the owner of the junkyard. But that could if that happened tomorrow, I I wouldn't want to be in a position of saying you got to wait a couple weeks for the next step,

right? So what we're not necess we you know can condition the approval on having a reached an agreement for the purchase of it or at least an agreement in principle but uh I I would like to do that get get that done and it's it's another uh way of demonstrating the town's uh sincere interest in in making this project happen. Mike I'm getting not getting a chicken and the eggs situation here. I'm getting a very confused thing like we're just like this there. We do one, we can't do, you know, there's we have to do one to do one to do the other one or we have to do the other one to do the first one. I

I'm also confused by your confused by what you're confused about. Well, it doesn't seem like I think Mike is just saying like if we buy it then we do the study for $700. Otherwise, we don't spend $700. No, no, that's not right. It's not Yeah, I'm trying to to to use that uh consultant to figure out whether we have a a u competitive project to compete for arm funding. Why can't we why do we have to do that? I mean, why can't we just do the research at $700? But it's important to know that answer.

Oh, absolutely. So I don't understand how we have to negotiate with Murray's and then maybe there's no sense in in if we can't come to an agreement to buy the property then there's no sense in us looking at it from a wetland scientist point of view. Okay. So then we would just want a motion to say we would hire him to do this should we come to an agreement with Murray's. Exactly. Okay. I didn't that's what he was trying to say. I didn't get that though at the beginning. That's okay. It's me. At least Jim got it. Okay, I'm with you. Anybody want to make that?

I'll make that motion. Okay, I'll second. Thanks. And that is the open space fund, right? Yes. Yep. So, motion by Jean, second by Al. Any further discussion? All in favor? I opposed abstain. Okay, thank you. And then um I know Bob and Leo and who else have terms expiring? I know. I think I do. Do you Did you get an email from Tristan? Would it have been regular email? Yeah, I can't remember. I mean, I got I had to fill out the form for re-uping.

Okay. And I think I sent they sent it with to my utility committee hat on, but I just put the other one in, too, because I'm pretty sure it was expiring as well. Okay. So, that's probably why I didn't get a second one. Your renewal. Me? Yes. No, I haven't yet. Okay. I'm debating. Just do it. Now, this is on Tuesdays and on Tuesdays and the kids have activities. I hear you. Bring the kids, Leo. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. about constipation. Tell them free eggs. Which reminds you, I got some cartons in the car. Yeah, we all um All right. Well, okay.

I don't recall what the deadline was, but I know it's not it's not right away. There was there was a little bit of time. I don't remember either. It's still October. Sometimes what it had to do with is like the 20th of December. Well, yes. And I know it was just posted. Yeah, it's on this council's agenda, right? Well, for of future meetings. So, and I think it's the third one. So, there's the one this coming Monday and then it's two weeks from that. But there's, you know, how the town sends out notices. There's a notice of um boards position board positions available just came out either today or yesterday. It probably is today because yesterday was a holiday. So, it just came out. The term expires 12:31, but right

I don't know how early they want to decide things. Yes, they usually wait till December. I'm the end of this year, too. Oh, okay. So, you're the third. Yeah, the email was David, Bob, and Leo. Okay. All right. Oh, you and I are in the same. So, Mike, I'm not expiring. That's not what Emo didn't mention you. Yeah. So, yes, it does. David's right. It it asks us to respond by November 7th.

Oh, okay. We got a couple weeks then. All right. Um, that's actually all I have unless someone has anything interesting. I still I need to arrange to monitor plumber. My plans to do that when it was warm out. Hey, there's a couple warm days coming up. Of course there are on the weekend. I can't, you know, it's hard to plan ahead. I don't know if is it better to do it on the weekend or people available during the week. I just can't do it. I hear you.

Or pick a date and then we'll see who can come. The conservation ement that we hold, we usually monitor ourselves rather than paying someone to monitor. It's a lovely hike in the woods. It's my favorite property to walk. Really? It is. It's not bad. I brought my grandson with me the last two times. All right. I will call Doug Johnson. See what works for him. Yeah. See what works for him. Yeah. I mean, we have enough of of a track record now that um you know, I'd be comfortable just hitting the the spots where we know there can be trouble,

right? And then I did get an email today. one of our funding sources or co- easement holders wants to come and walk some of the properties that they are associated with but I can't remember who it was but no I'll I'll contact her and see what what she wants to can't think of who forest society maybe but it's not the It's not the one that plumbers because we just did that one.

Might be Luthia Spring maybe. Yeah, I have to read my email again when I get home. Uh before we break up, but just by way of heads up, uh the town manager is visiting each of the boards and committees to explain uh to them what the strategic plan is that he's working on,

which to me is kind of a mis mis misnomer because it's more like a an operational plan. It's what do you want to get done this fix fiscal year with a you know an outlook to things that might take you know two or three years and he's asking each board or commission to come up with their plan. What what what do they want to get done? What goals they want to have? What objectives do they need in order to meet that goal? and what key port performance indicators, KPIs they call them, how do we measure success, how do we know if we, you know, achieve the goal. So, he's going to be asking for our input. Uh and that will all be rolled into a townwide um operational plan, strategic plan, and then he will track that and we you know

we will be we need to hold ourselves accountable to what the

I don't know if this is what what you're looking for, but I know there was talk about changing the land use change tax and the people don't seem to understand what's going on with the land use change Is there a way Mike over that mic to figure out how much open space land is still in the developmental line? A lot of it's gone because that was land that was being used farming, agriculture, uh, apples, agriculture, trees, and those people have either we've put a lot into, uh, conservation or they've sold it and it's not there available anymore. So, I, you know, we we may be fighting over something that's not really going to be helping us financially in the long run. And I if we could put it get a handle on how much land is still in current use um in town would be an interesting answer. And then do we need to establish another funding source if we want to move forward. So that's just what came to my head right now.

Yeah, there I mean there's a number of ways we can do this. We could u you know have a discussion at at a commission meeting. We could just have, you know, send our ideas to Marge and, you know, she could consolidate them if you want. You could just send them directly to Kristen Hildone and the administrative, you know, person and and she can pull them all together. But to me, there's value in in discussing it as a as a group because you you bounce ideas, right, you know, off each other. So, I think he's looking I think is end of November. Does that sound right, Mike? For the when he wants to get things in

I haven't heard about this. Oh, okay. Could you maybe send an email out to all of us with those criteria so that we'll remember it in the morning? I can send it to you. Okay. And then you can send it to them. That's fine. I'm surprised that they didn't come out with a format for all the committees. This is the way we do it with 30 plus agencies a format presentation format that gets sent out to all the IT leads me there there there is one um I mean it's it's very simplistic u but he you know he what he wants to come and talk us through it okay

so that we kind of have you know can answer the question that you're raising which how do we really go about doing this but it's it's kind of free flowing um can be very detailed or you know not so detailed. Uh I what I would suggest is if you go to the city of Lebanon, New Hampshire's website and their their strategic plan is there

and then you can look at that and you can see exactly what he's trying to accomplish and then go to their the conservation commission's part of that. I could I'll I can send Marge a link and then she'll send that on to you. What you know to get you to the right the right spot? Put it all in. Pretty easy. Yeah.

Thank you. Anything else? could do minutes, right?

Mhm. I make a motion to accept the minutes of September 9th as presented. Is

everybody shot? I wasn't here so I I don't know if I can a second or not. Yeah. Well, L just did. Oh, okay. Good. Okay. So, motion by Bob, second by L. Any further discussion? All in favor? I I Did I miss something? No, I'm I'm going to abstain. I wasn't here. Oh my gosh. That's what you probably You're so surprised. That's what we I have to also. I wasn't here. Yeah, we had just hardly anyone, didn't we? Yeah. So, how many Okay. How many approved? September 9th. This was a month ago.

Yeah, I know. I didn't come because that was on the day my cat home. I didn't know my cat first day. Well, then I was here. Me L. So, it's a mistake. It says Marge was here and that should be corrected. Deb. Deb. Oh, Marge was here. Yeah, Marge was here. Deb. Okay, it's it's fine. Okay. So, I think we all How many people are I was here? Yep. I was here. Okay. El, Bob, me, Leo. Yeah. Right. I was here, but I can't vote. But people that that were not here can abstain from the vote. And that that counts as making still. Okay. So, we have four yays. Four approved. That works.

And how many abstains? One, two, three. Three. and add up to seven. That's our our So that's So we're there. We're there. That's Dave, Deb, and Jean abstain. So motion passes. Yeah, that was that was the hardest we've ever had. I think we had just met core that day. I know. We just barely made it. I I think sometimes you just get a vision in your head. It's like There is one other thing I think we need to talk about tonight. Okay.

Um, Marge and I spent some time with the town manager today and tried to give him a feel for the discrepancy we have between the number of potential projects that that we are facing. And the ones that are that are in the public domain include Murray's Junkyard. Uh the parcels that the heirs of Reed Clark, who recently passed away, may rest in peace, have for sale on the market, some of which have great conservation value. um the a parcel up on Webster Road by the airport that you know has big frontage on uh Beaverbrook and the and the rail trail and and others that are not uh that we've discussed in closed session before. So we got way more project value than we do have funds. So we, you know, expressed to him that concern and offered two alternatives and and there's another possibility that the the brownfield uh site um that's on Gilrest the Gilchrest Orchard that's now multif family housing. um that I had a grant that we won to do the initial est uh evaluation of that. That pot of money still has about $17,000 left in it, which we might be able to use to um apply to the work done at the Murray's

junkyard only there, nowhere else. But at least it's a pot of money because that's what we were talking about is well where can we look for money. Of course there's, you know, the two big grants they've used in the past, the ARM fund and the groundwater fund um are available for some but not all of these projects just because of the, you know, the qualifying criterion that they have. Two other possibilities though would be to restore um the full funding of the land use change tax into the open space fund. Um right now the first 100 100,000 goes to the conservation fund and then after that it's a 4060 split. 60% goes to the town general fund and 40% goes to the conservation fund. For many years it was 100% to conservation fund. If we were to restore that and given all the development that's going on and the money that's going to be coming in, we, you know, could augment what we have to to do conservation projects.

But that only works if the land was in current use. And that's what I that's what I'm trying to figure out. All right. Well, there at least at least there is some some I know there is some, but I I don't I personally don't know what it is anymore. Although that argument cuts both ways. If there's that much left, let's get what we can. Oh, no. I agree. I agree 100%. But we did not get we did not even get 100,000 in fiscal year 245 and the previous year it was pretty close to Yeah, I think in spite of all the development going on. I don't want to interrupt you, but I still feel that needs to get underlined.

Yeah. I Mike, can you give us any help here? Is is it is there a way to to um use the the data management system to pull out? I'm pretty sure. So, you're looking for was it open space or current current? Current use. Okay. Yeah. Properties that are in current use in current use. I'm I'm pretty sure there's a way I can filter for that. Yeah. I can't believe that. If you could bring that next time, that would be helpful. Sure.

Um, so that's that's one possibility. The other possibility is um when we when the Gilchrist orchard was put under a conservation easement, we paid $1.3 million for that easement, but we only the town that vote the town meeting that voted to sell those development rights back to the developer that now is building the multif family housing down there said that as another Warren article there was that 750,000 would go to the conservation fund. So there's a remainder of 6700,000 1.3 million minus 750 that's just sitting in the in the und designated fund balance. it it has to be in order to be spent it'll have to be appropriated. So there'll have to be probably a town meeting vote to appropriate it. So those are two possibil two sort of opportunities to fund open space. Now you should be aware that in both cases there are other uses for that money. I mean perfectly good things like you know expanding the water system to deal with PAS and you know bringing the fire department up to full strength, etc., etc., etc. But since our job is to look out for our natural resources, it might make sense for us to ask the town council to sponsor warrant articles for those two measures. And what I'm looking for is a u a feel from the commission as to

whether they think that would be worth pursuing.

I think it would. I think so. I don't know what our odds of success are, but it's Yeah, that's that's another thing entirely. That's his thing to ask. And it probably depends on our our willingness to do the work of Yeah. our marketing skills I think come into play.

We still and however many years ago it was when they were trying to take away the land use change tax and put it all into undesated fund and Mike prepared a slideshow and everything. We went to deliberative and got the vote got the vote to give us not all of it but a good portion of it. So I believe the public support is there especially when we can show that this isn't taking it from your taxes. This is not this is not a tax issue. This is totally separate.

Right. Um, but I think we have to prove that because we had at least one town counselor sit up here and say that it will impact your taxes so recently. Yep. Yeah, I think I read that in the paper. Yeah. So that's what we have to be prepared for that. Yep. Well, it does in the sense that it's money that Yeah. You could you could have used for for you know for other other purposes, right? Yeah. Right. But it isn't it isn't something that increases your tax rate in itself.

Well, it might if they decide to do both. They want to go out and spend million dollars on something and they don't have it. And I suspect there's even more support for recovering the full value that we paid for that Gilchard property. If the if it were up to the public, I think so we, you know, they would do be two separate warrant articles. You could, you know, win on one but not the other, you know, or or maybe both. But it seems to me right now there's a a strong feeling in the community that we're overdeveloped. So if if that's the way you feel, here's an opportunity to do something about that. Right.

So I I think it's something that we probably ought to vote on because we're going to be going to the council with it. So I would ask that somebody make the motion that we uh uh pursue those. Yeah. Pursue with the town council the two warrant articles I just described. Well, do we have to should we put that into the motion? That's what he just said. But yeah, to to you have to say the words about two. Yeah. To change the land use change tax to 100% to the open space fund and to um take cover our full value of what we paid for the road property,

right? And you'd be basically moving it from the undesated fund balance into the open space fund. Okay. All right. I promised to not bring any I make that motion. Please second. Okay. Motion by Deb, second by Al. Any further discussion? All in favor? I I unanimous vote. Anything else? No, I don't. I will have a treasures report next. I'll have a financial report next week. Next meeting.

Good. I'll move we adjourn. Okay. Second. Motion by Jean, second by Dave. All in favor? I