Conservation Commission - Regular Meeting

I have 7:31 and I will call the meeting to order and if Mike can vote for the empty position for Tiffany and a while ago I was asked to do a roll call when we start so that the the minute taker can and and I kind of dropped that. So if you want to just say your name. Mike spelt present. Bob Maxwell, Jean Harrington, Marge Bedoy, Deb Evans, David Ephy, El Bickford.

Okay, hopefully that helps her. Um, so Eversource is up first. [Music] [Music] Everyone hear me? Okay. Is this working? It doesn't really project your voice. It's just for uh for the recording. Okay. Well, it does go into it a little bit, but Yeah. Yeah.

No problem. Uh right. Thank you for having us this evening. Lindsay White with GZA Geo Environmental. I'm here with Kurt Nelson with Eversource Energy. Uh we are here this evening for a conditional use permit application for upcoming maintenance work on the existing 380 transmission line. Uh the work associated with this project will be done in accordance with the March 2019 best management practices manual uh for utility maintenance in and adjacent to wetlands and water bodies. And the project that's before you today is for upcoming maintenance work that's proposed to start this fall uh early winter 2025 and be completed by midappril 2026. Uh the project includes the replacement of two existing structures uh located both off of Mayflower Drive. Um both poles are currently wooden poles and will be replaced with a steel equivalent pole. Um the proposed work does require temporary wetland impacts for access to these poles and for a workpad area to be constructed for uh equipment and construction vehicle staging. Um and where access and work pads are located within wetlands. Eversource utilizes temporary timber matting uh to create a surface between the wetland resources and um the construction equipment. Once work is completed, the timber matting would be removed. Um, and those temporarily impacted areas would be uh stabilized with seedless mulch and monitored for stabilization. Um, again, this is maintenance of the existing line. Eversource is not proposing to expand the width of the right of way or install new infrastructure. This is just replacement of existing poles. Um, so that's kind of the overview. Uh, we're happy to take questions from the commission. Am I correct in remembering that there are

other polls on this same line that have already been done? Yes. So they're the poles that are identified for replacement are based on in yearly inspections that are completed. Um so the ones that are rated needing to be replaced that year get um incorporated. Uh so sometimes we end up in similar areas as prior years. Do you know what the total square footage of impact is? Yes, that is for the temporary wetlands impact. It is 2,15 square feet.

Anyone? I like to say we've worked with you guys before and it's usually the same. you know, it's pretty straightforward and you I have no no comments other than that. Okay. So, you said work sometime between September uh after October October uh starts OC in October and then uh completes before midappril. Have you been given any guidance on rare threatened endangered? Yes, that's part of the um best management practices we've been given. The recommendations from New Hampshire Fishing Game is to have that time of year restriction to complete work in the uh you know off season. Yeah. Right. Okay. Is it turtles?

Turtles, snakes, that any the usual gamut. I almost say go out right now because it's so dry. Yeah, I know. I noticed your photos are taken right after all that rain we got. so much rain. But, uh, I guess it'll my guess is it'll probably stay pretty dry, so might work. So, do we want to recommend approval of the cup? I'll make a motion that we recommend approval of the CUP or Eversource. I'll second it.

Okay. Motion by Deb, second by Jean. Any further discussion? All in favor? I opposed abstain. Okay, great. Thank you. Good. I'll add my commendation to GZA that you always seem to do a really thorough job of documenting the projects and that makes it a lot easier for all of us. Thank you. Thank you for your time.

Thank you. Um 196 198 Rockingham No closet. Yes.

Good evening. My name is George Chadwick with Bedford Design. Tonight representing uh Gino Bernard, the uh proposed developer of the project. Um we're here tonight for two reasons. One, I've got a project in front of design review looking for uh your comments. But I also have, if the board would allow, I do need a conditional use permit. And if things go well tonight, um I'd like to submit it to the town tomorrow. So I'd like to discuss that too if if possible. Great. Try to kill two birds with one stone. Um plan in front of you is the existing conditions out there. It's Eminem recycling. Um it's the metal storage.

Yeah, SNS. Oh, SNS. Excuse me. Why is that? We knew that.

SNS M&M's down the street. The mulch place. Sorry. Um SNS recycling. Um it's a metal recycling facility right there on Rockingham Road. Um the project is made up of uh two parcels of land that'll be consolidated together. We do have some wetlands on the left hand side of the site. Um that wetland is not associated with the Cohass Brook. Cohass Brook being located uh several hundred feet to the north of this uh as we all know Cohass Brook is a name stream and uh has a 100 foot uh buffer associated to the stream. Um that does not fall anywhere near this particular project. Um if uh the plans I emailed you is it possible to bring those four up or five sheets? Only reason I say that it has some high There you go. Uh maybe a little easier for everyone to see. The uh the green line on the plan is the actual edge edge of wet flag by Luke Curley. Um and uh Bedford Design then went out and located the wetlands. The red line is the 50- foot buffer associated with that. Um, and the sort of purplish colored line. Probably should have chose a different color now that I look at it from a distance, but um, that is the edge of pavement and gravel on the site. So, if you look close at the plan, you'll see that there's some areas of gravel that are lo currently located within the buffer. Um, in the bit I'll talk about the conditional use permit, but uh those are the areas that part of it would like to

maintain, some of it we're going to restore, and we would have a a small area of additional buffer impact. Uh, Mike, can you go to the next sheet for me? I know it's a little cluttered on this plan, but the project's a 60 unit residential project. Um there is a c circular drive that goes around the project. Some water sewer storm drainage be collected and put through a uh a chambered system beneath the pavement and then outleted. It would outlet in the area of red that's on your plan. Um that area represents uh 500. Well, that area and there's a small area right up on top there that's red for a total of 597 square ft of new buffer impact. The area that is highlighted in green are the areas that we'd like to restore. Um, that area is 3,693 square ft or about 600% or so, a little over 600% of of the new buffer impact that we're requesting. And there's a small area in yellowish there. Um, that area is for a drain line to get to the uh to get around the detention system to get to the outlet. And that's existing gravel um buffer impact that is there today. Um in that area uh I wish I could take some pictures for you. There's 10 12 ft high of stacked metal um carves and you name it it it's stacked on this site. Uh that area represents 982

square ft and that's to remain gravel. that no that wouldave that would be lomed and seated. Okay. After the drain line was put in. So it's outside the pavement, but it would be loaned and seated um you know prior to uh um after after the installation and maintained as grass or maintained as

um right now we're showing to be maintained as grass. Um, we certainly can talk about adding some uh wildflower mix or some sort of other vegetation in that area. Um, the big green area up in front um that we're restoring, there is some plantings associated with that that show up on the landscape plan. I didn't bring it with me tonight. I probably should have. Is it in this in this somewhere?

It's in the full set of plans. It's not in the colored set that that we're looking at now. um certainly can um discuss the type of species in that that you would like in the area to be restored. Um so Deb's kind of leading to the fact that turf is not an allowed use within the buffer. So when you say laned and seated, we don't want it seated with grass lawn, right? We don't want it maintained. It would be some sort of uh conservation mix that it would be seated with. But would you have to maintain it because of the drainage there or? Nope. No. Okay. It's just

it could just grow natural. Grow natural. That's what that's what we like. Yep. Um I believe the plans do call out the word lman seed. So I will definitely um get a conservation type mix to uh to plant the areas to be uh to be restored. I think the magic words we probably want to see are allowed to naturalize.

Allow to naturalize. Okay. Um I do have and I probably should start out with this. I've got copies of the whole packet that I'm going to submit to the planning if the board like to see copies of those. Um if not, you'll see them through the followup process once submitted to uh the town. However you like like to see them. I do have I don't know if I think I might have enough for everybody. 1 2 3 four five six seven. I think I do. So, as I said, if um things go well tonight, I will be submitting this.

Thank you. Thanks. The planes are in the back real small. The same ones that are up on these. We'll share one. So what this uh initial letter does summarizes basically what I said regarding the uh

conditional use permit. Um there's the condition we use permit application as part of the set and it identifies the four criteria. If you want I can go into detail of those. There is no wetland impact associated with but there is uh like I said 597 square feet of new buffer impact is is the drainage system is it it's all above ground or is No, it's all below ground. All of it.

The entire thing is below ground. You won't you won't see a a grapple wetland. You won't see a regular detention basin or infiltration basin. Everything will be below ground. And u John Troder is on board with the plan here.

Well, we'll put below ground systems before in town. Plans have been submitted. We're going through the design review process right now. So, we'll answer the questions as they as they arise. Like I said, I have um proposed, designed, and in the process of constructing now down at Gillest, for example. Um one that we did um down on Gilchrist, it had some below ground system as well as above ground. In that instance, if you recall, up on the the buffer, the wetland buffer, there is a uh an above ground system as well.

What is this? That's the construction entrance. Just during construction. Okay. Um it's a gravel pad to be laid down. That will go away. It will go away. Yes. It's just a a pad so we don't track material out into the street.

Uh the wetland will be protected by uh sil fence. the outlet will be permanently protected by rip wrap to stop erosion down into the wetlands. Um I think there's probably two things to note on this one. One, we are restoring like I said about a little over 600% more of the buffer than what is out there today and will continue to be um used. Um the second thing is we are getting rid of the recycling and uh having talked to the planning board um they're excited to see it go. So are we so

go ahead. Um so you said that are if if all goes well tonight as you say will we see you again or not with any how the board feels. Okay. I'm still I'm still interested in what you're doing for landscaping. Um, you mind bringing up the Do you have that full? Yeah, I do. I'm just the I'd like to see the list and the placement. I've been noticing things that are so close to the road these days that it's like they're, you know, they allow the 15 ft and it would be nice to be, you know,

so it is a a very because when this initially was submitted, it was submitted under the uh route 28 performance zone regulations which now have been um removed. Um but we uh there's a very detailed landscape plan due to that regulation. It does seem to be very detailed. Um is there any way to pull this down? So well maybe if I go stand I can't I just can't even see the plan. Oh perfect. Here we go. Oh it keeps doing that too.

Yeah. It makes me go really slow or else it snaps back. Go back one. Did I go back one? Maybe it was. You lose your page. It's too big. All right. Not that. Okay. Oops. Oh, perfect. Don't Don't do anything. Oh my god. Okay, there. Close enough. Everything looks pretty good. It's like It's always good to have things that are if not if they're not just totally native if at least they're regional.

Okay. And it looks like it's it is somewhat asked for the road eventually. It will it certainly will. The uh P zone requirements require a street strip, a front landscape strip. So uh it will be buffered substantially from uh thank you on the road. The area that you show in yellow there that it's called So the area in yellow on that plan is the existing gravel that's there today that we would like to leave there. We will then

uh vegetate it afterwards. But that area is where the drain line goes. So it's currently disturbed area by SNS recycling, right? That is in the buffer. So we'd like to maintain that disturbing disturbed area. So you're not So but the line is is out of sight. It's underground, right? It is out of underground. We'd have to disturb the land though and it'll put that drain line of course, right? And then would vegetate over it. Just just like the permanent vegetation. Uh the permanent start again. Just like the new disturbance, a drain line would be put in, would vegetate over the top of it, and basically it would go back to its natural condition,

right? But it is a it is an impact. But I mean, you're going to have to lom not a lot's going to grow in gravel, right? No, no, no. We would and there's notes on the plan accordingly. Outside of the edge of pavement, we remove whatever gravel is there and then add lom and seed. Okay. Yes. And that's where we're going to allow it to naturalize. And can you say a little bit about the encroachment on the north side of the property and what you're going to do about that? We're removing the gravel that's there and we will let it reveet. We will lman seed it or lom it

and then uh plant vegetation there as well but is an existing there's a fence along the back property line uh the back back area of disturbance there as well um that fence would be removed as well bring everything back to the property line right and vegetate everything on the uh a butter's lot

so u have you conducted like a phase environmental of the property man where where does it stand? So this property um Turner has been the Turner group has been modeling has done a phase one has done a phase two for the past five or six or seven years has been monitoring it. um they and I'll be speaking to more and have someone from Turner here at the planning board meeting, but um the um elements that were found had to do with um MTBs, I think it was.

Um and as time goes on, those are slowly decreasing um over time. um they fully expect that within the next year or so um that'll totally dissipate within um state levels, acceptable levels. I think there's only one well right now that um still has traces above the limits but is working as well. Traces of excuse me you said traces of MPT MT MT gasoline MTV

MTV ether right excellent um is so dees must be involved in this or they are yeah for the last five years they've um been working with uh the turner group on this are they funded by dees Yes. Yes, they are. Um, one of the Brownfields projects. I don't know all the details and I don't want to misspeak here. Okay. I certainly will go into more detail at the planning board meeting if uh if everyone is interested. It's it's it's good though.

Yeah. So, you're going to disturb a lot of soil.

Yep. in this project. My concern is how how do we assure ourselves that that cell disturbance doesn't result in you know releasing aerosols or I don't know that I can answer that question clear enough for you right now. I'd rather have um the gal from Turner do it. Um my understanding is during the entire process Turner will be there um monitoring the situation um taking samples if necessary but to what detail and requirements and all that type of stuff I don't have the answer for you. I I uh I'd rather have Turner. So Turner is contracted to

Turner currently is contracted through SNS um funded by the state and that contract will be turned over to Gino um based on the sale of property when the property sells and that funding will continue along with the new land owner. Do you have a point of contact at at dees? Uh I let me get it for you, Mike. I I'll get it to Mike and he can disseminate it. I don't off top my I don't have my old file here. Only brought the uh the um conditioning use file.

Yeah, I I would like to I think hear from them. Sure. on you know what the status is here and I can get you copies of the reports and stuff that have been yeah it's probably available online if we do do the dig yeah I'll get you a name certainly I think we need to reassure the planning board that that we have looked at this and that that doesn't you know present a a threat you know was unlike the work that's being done up at uh Murray's Auto Recycling in that there isn't going to be any disturbance up there. This is

there's going to be a lot of dirt around, right? Let's see. So, far as you know, there's no um okay, really requirement or plan to um take dirt off site to clean it up. Um, no. No. We're being told there's no need to do that. Yeah. Good. Yeah.

And at the planning board level, we certainly, and I'll supply it to Mike, um, there's several monitoring wells all over this pit place that, uh, you know, have been monitored over the last five, six years or so. and uh we can identify those wells, which one what was found in what well and all that type of stuff for you if you'd like. Certainly. And you'll have signs along the buffer. Yep. We do have every 50 ft a conservation district sign as your regulations require.

Yeah. Anything else from anybody? Um, your sentiments on the cup. Well, it sounds like Mike wants to hear more. Well, I'm okay with the cup and with with your um treatment of the buffer area and the and the restoration. I think it's all a good thing. But in terms of the the D are you said you you're looking at this for DRC comments also. Is that the case or not?

Uh we do have AOT comments that we're going to have to address. Um we do have left-hand turn lane that's being proposed out on DOT. So they'll have to um comment on the project. Um this is the beginning. We were submitted to DRC maybe two weeks ago. So we've still got a a process ahead of us. Yeah. The agenda says DRC. That's what I thought. So, we need to I I think include a comment that says um we're doing further invest we're need to read coordinating with on uh environmental hazards. Okay. Just so we know.

So, I assume that'd be like a DRC comment. Correct. Correct. Yeah. Right. Right. Sure. Right. And then where do you want me to put that um to use the conservation seed mix in the buffer and allow it to naturalize CUP or No, that' be under the DRC. DRC. Okay. That's goes into the um site plan. Okay. Yep. Landscape. So DRC would just recommend approval. I mean a cup cup

we recommend the cup the DRC we're condition we're not giving them a recommendation further coordination I'm I mean the cup the cup okay do you want a motion that would be okay yeah okay I um make a motion that we recommend approval of the conditional use permit for 196 198 Rockingham Okay. Second. Any further discussion? No. All in favor? I opposed abstain. Motion passes. Thank you very much.

Vote very loud, but you can have your copies back, George.

Oh, you're back. So, just don't forget don't forget to take those with with that project ones are left over. All right. Now, see if I can find this one. That would be Oh, grab one more. anytime. All set. Mhm.

I have a Let me start off right this time. I do have a packet for the cup on this one as well. Um, [Music] thank you. Thanks. So, we have a cup and DRC again.

Yeah. So, on this one here, we do um projects located at 225 Rockingham Road. Um my name is George Chadwick with Bedford Design. Uh this particular project we're working with Gen X Construction Group. Um this piece of property currently has a single family home on it. is at the intersection of the cutthroat road Smith and um Rockham Road. There are wetlands on the abuing property to the uh to the west and that is the green line that's on your plan. The red line indicates the conservation buffer, the 50-foot conservation buffer. The wetlands were mapped by Tom Sakalowski. Um, in your package, there's a uh wetlands scientific soils uh report that was prepared by him. Um, if you look close at this plan, you'll see an area of wetlands between the main wetland. It's a long finger of wetland that is not contiguous to the main wetland. That wetland area is less than a half acre in size, thus does not have a 50-foot buffer associated with it.

Do we all see that line on the plan? So, you see two green lines there, right? You see um right over the gas line, you see a green line, that's the edge of wet. Oh, with the 50ft buffer. And then you'll see just between that and the red line sort of a uh snakeshaped figure, wormshaped figure. Um that is closed and it is not contiguous to the main wetland. Where's the main wetland? The green line. The main green line there. See the green line on the plan south. And then this is the one that's the wetland is down there. So So it's off property.

It is off property. Correct. It's to the Abutter's lot to the uh to the west. The property slopes from the southeast to the corner we're looking at in the north west. Sort of slopes toward this particular wetland. the low point of the lot being um right there in the bottom left corner of the uh of the parcel. Mind flip the next sheet. [Music] Uh one more back. This is an overall plan of the project. Again, very detailed. the subsequent sheets um with more that are larger that we can read if necessary. Um this particular project is a 40 unit residential project similar to what or the same as what's being built down on Gilchrist today. Um storm water will be collected, treated and discharged to above ground drainage systems in this instance. Then outleted to the northwest corner of the property, that being the area in red. The reason for the location, it it's the lowest point on the lot. It enables us to get drainage from the upper lands to this location, have the appropriate cover and um distance the seasonal high

water table with the the uh ponds and and so on so forth. That area in pink represents 1,23 square ft. And again, once the drain line was put in, it would be re reveated and naturalized. So everything's going into the wetland. You don't have any sewer drainage, any sewer line drainages. This this property is on water and sewer,

but it is well out of the buffer. So, we just have that little piece of drainage in order to um outlet the detention basins um at an appropriate elevation.

Did you say what the purple line is this one?

Uh the purple line is the ex the proposed tree line that's out there. Um the reason I identif um the reason I we highlighted it because we wanted to uh maintain the existing stone walls as much as possible and the intent is except for that little area where we have to cross in order to uh discharge the drainage um we'd like to maintain those stone walls. So the existing house is

Yeah. Flip back one more sheet. It's right in the middle of the first building. Yeah. And that but up above to the on the northeast corner there's a What's that building? Uh northeast corner is an existing house that's there and then there's a garage associated detached like garage. Um, I'm not sure else where you if you don't mind blowing that up, Mike. It didn't show on that particular page. Okay. You go to if we go back to the other one. Yeah, there. Which one? Right there where the hand is that that's an existing house on an abuing parcel of land. Oh, okay. That's

That's not That's not part of the project. That's not part of this project. And the same thing with all of the buildings to the south. Um, that's Highland's uh coal storage to the north. I mean to the east, the big building there to the east. Okay.

Um, if you open up the uh the packet, you'll see an aerial photo and you'll be able to see the cold storage building to the east, the residential house just uh below their driveway. And then to the uh west of the site, those buildings are uh self- storage units that are there, existing self- storage units. storm water from the property um goes under the driveway for the self storage, crosses Rockingham Road and goes to the uh north flows northwest.

So, how how will you engage with Smith Lane? That just that be you don't is that right? We don't we we don't touch Smith Lane at all. Triangle mobile. The driveway is in close proximity to Smith Lane. Um how they're going to get Vaness Associates, the traffic engineer for the project, has met with DOT. Um met out there a couple times. Uh DOT curb cut permits been submitted and I fully anticipate that it gets approved very shortly.

Wow. [Music] in this project. Uh, no off-site improvements um were required by DOT. [Music] comments, questions.

I'm just a little concerned about over a period of time, you know, when you get a good storm, your detention ponds, you know, are going to fill up and meter the the water out at no greater rate than it's leaving right now, but for a longer period of time. And how much space is there before that has to go under Smith Lane and Rockingham Road? Is it going to be backing up more towards the those storage units?

Um, I do not believe so. Um, maybe you can go to the next sheet if you don't mind. All right. So, this is that same area blown up a little bit. Um you can see the water coming out of the detention ponds through that little uh swale toward the wetland. Um the wetland um all that area flows down under the culvert under their driveway and then goes under 28 um Rockingham Road um between the edge of wet and I'm guessing now because I don't have it an exact distance but I believe the elevation change between the wetland and the self storage is probably 3 4 feet probably more like 3 feet if I had to guess having been out there. Um so I again if the volume leaving these basins were to um increase the height of that wetland. It is a fairly large area and I I feel fairly very comfortable that we're not going to be increasing the the height of that wet the water in that wetland greater than you know a few inches. And there's a large enough capacity underneath 28.

There is. Yeah. Um, is it showing that plan there? There is a a fairly large pipe that goes under 28. See if I can read it on this thing. If you go to the uh existing conditions plan, if you don't mind. Was that the first? Yeah, that one right there. And then zoom in. Keep going if you could. Uh, what which area? We're going to get down to the Smith Road intersection. Yeah, there you go. Um, can you read that size of that pipe right there? Says 12 in.

Uh, the one on the driveway is 12. Does that say 15 or 12? Everything says 12 in. Uh, 12 in HDP, 12 in CMP. Okay. Yeah, it's a 12in pipe. goes on 15 on the outlet side. Yeah, that that I thought that's what that said. 15. So, but it would go through a 12 to a 15. Yeah, I see that. Well, it's 12 in on the inside.

Yep. Yep, I do see that. Um part of the um DOT curb cut process. Um we submit drainage scouts to the to the state. They don't want to have their state system overwhelmed either. Um so, they'll be looking at it. Yeah. cuz that that intersection floods regularly. I Yeah, down down a little further. It does all the time. I don't know if I've seen it flood up this far, but um it does. You're right. The coastbrook floods that area right there all the time. And this this will contribute to that, right? I mean, it goes into that area.

Yep. It will contribute to it. Um again, the rate You know, we look at hydroraphs, right? You look at how fast this would get to that area versus how fast they'll coass Brook would get to that area. And uh I I really don't think this would affect it any substantially. The flooding down, you know, down further where where the coass crosses. Um but if that's a concern, you know, let's let's note it and I'll address it. I noticed that the uh the required uh parking is 1.5 spaces per unit.

The state has now adopted one point come down and said to the towns you only need 1.5. Um in this particular project we do have two. Um it was designed prior to the state adopting those rules. Um, I haven't brought a project through Londereerry yet that again, Londere's rules still too, right? They haven't changed the rules as of yet. Um, I'm sure that's something we'll be discussing with the with the planning board. Did So, did did that change that the state does that mandate the town go to?

Yeah, it does. But at least one of their changes was a great deal of enstage. But I I I think um that we should recommend because we can we can eliminate some impervious surface there to u as he said technically the the town still requires two till the town zoning ordinance changes.

Right. But but they that the however they choose to do it by ching changing the zoning ordinance or by simply granting a planning board waiver they have the ability to allow them to go to 1.5. I mean it would save you money. Sure. Sure. You know in this instance I'd have to uh

um talk to my client and see if they would want to reduce the parking. Um I do understand the environmental um effects that pavement and and impervious surfaces has. So uh it'll save them a little money, but again being a I think these are all two-bedroom units. Um yeah, I would ask them. Do they have garages under? No, they do not. These are unlike the last um project I did in town. There is no garages on this one. It's uh just all

open air. Open parking.

So, do we want to recommend that? I think we should I would like to know about consider reducing the parking to 1.5 per unit. [Music] So, snow storage. Yeah. Um, if you go back one more sheet back to the overall plan, um, there's plenty of area to the end of the, uh, the turnaround there, the culde-sac for snow storage. And typically, that's how you would plow it, too. You'd come in. Yeah. And go ahead. Push what you can to the upside and then pile the end the rest of the end. But you wouldn't want to blow the dumpsters

where we have it shown on the plan. Are the dumpsters going to allow for recycle as well as trash? Yes.

So there won't there won't be individual pickups. So everybody will have to take their stuff down to the dumpsters. Correct. Is this considered affordable or not affordable or um market rate? Market rate. That's a much more polite term.

And one very similar to this is being built currently down on on Gilchrist that we uh did a couple years ago. Way down. Remember that one at the bottom. So these are individually own No, these are apartment rentals, right? Rentals. Yep. But they're ups and downs. Yes, the town houses. Yep. Yep. Do we have any comments on the cup request?

I think it's reasonable. So, are we recommending approval? I think we want to recommend that um they consider going to 1.5 spaces per unit for for the CUP. Yeah, the cup. Oh, no, no, sorry. Sorry. Yeah, I think Yeah, I don't see a problem. Do you want to make a move? Yeah. Sorry. Did he hear or just I'll move that we recommend to the plan board the approval of the cup.

Thank you. Or 225 Rockingham Road. Second. Any further discussion? All in favor? I oppose. Abstain. Motion passed unanimously. Um the only comment on the DRC is the 1.5 parking. I mean, yeah, DRC

1.5 parking and you know, I think he's going to have the state making sure that they're not going to be overfilling that culvert. I'm still a little concerned about that. I I I totally understand the concept of not increasing the peak flow, but I also understand the concept that the peak flow continues for a lot longer. And what does that do downstream when it hits a culvert or something like that, right?

So, we want to confirm impact of the outflow. I said, "Jean, my only comment on that is if I was in a different town, I'd be talking about infiltration. I can't talk about infiltration in London area because London area doesn't allow it." Reality says, "Is water going to infiltrate out of these ponds?" It is. They're not lined, right? So, technically, water will infiltrate, although I design it. So ponds in town are twice the size they really need to be. Mhm. Because I can't talk about infiltration in town. You can't take credit for it.

Can't take credit for it. Correct. Correct. Okay. I think the word we want to use for Jean's concern is cumulative. What is the cumulative impact on the total flow under under 28? The problem is being being the low man and the watershed. So everybody's cumulative piles up and one adds on to the next. And I mean I've been harping on this for years and I've never convinced anybody to consider it. Don't ask me why. All right. Anything else we want to mention? All right. All set. I think we're good. Thank you.

Thank you very much for your time tonight. Have a good evening. Thank you. All right. I have a couple. Please collect some of these extra reports. Uh you want me to grab them from you? Yes. Um we've gotten the estimate for from our CCD for the Ingresaw monitoring. I think we need them. It's 749. 749, which has not changed in years. So I think that's I'm keeping mine. Um, so I just need

approval to um I authorize the chair chair conservation commission to expend $749 to monitor the angerell property 2025. Seconded. Okay, any discussion? All in favor? I I opposed. Abstain. Motion passes unanimously. Um public comment. Oh yeah. Sorry. Any public comment? It's just a time.

It's actually past time, Ray. But fortunately, Jean caught it. Yep. I was just rambling on. We didn't really get to old business yet. Uh Ray Brandlin 3 Gary Drive. I got here a little late, so I missed that about Eversource transmission line. Uh but I was listening in regards to 196 198 Rocking Road. And do I understand that this was the former or the current SNS metal?

Yes. And so they're moving out, the property's being sold, a new owner, and they're proposing this village at London Derry. Um, their words, not ours.

Yeah. Um, personally, I would have a lot of concerns. I think Mike uh brought up some things about uh soil removal. What's there is monitoring wells apparently what the gentleman said. Um somebody mentioned I think Deb um Brownfield site uh kind of sounds like it to me. Uh so in the discussion with dees um certainly we need to know what that is. Um and then we have the other one 225 Rockingham Road. Um right at this intersection of Smith Lane and Rockingham Road. Uh I understand that uh this area has been opened up. We've removed for the debris remove um some of the protection in that area. But one thing really concerns me and that is um dees no I'm sorry do has a 10-year plan for this whole area. Uh this particular area is over a $7 million and rising project in the 10-year plan to completely redo this whole area. That would be the head of Mammoth Road, Smith Lane, and potentially widening of Rockingham Road. And with all due respect, um, these folks who have a right to come before you to propose these projects, but

I have a lot of concerns and I I I would think others would too. I I understand this is going before planning and they're going to review it. Uh, Yeah. All of the things that we are dealing with in this town, impact from contamination, from growth, from traffic, all of this. And you folks are doing your job. um you and these folks coming forward have a right to propose these things but I just wonder what the town's plan is, what the master plan is, what the conservation plan is. Um so much to think about. Thank you.

Thank you for allowing me to speak. What did I bring up last time? Con something about conservation. No, I don't know. Um, natural resources. Oh, inventory. The natural resource inventory has I saw you written up in the paper. Yep. But what is the town doing in that regard? I mean, wait a minute. What is the master plan? Are are they going to have something in the master plan? That's the next those are the next chapters that we'll be the master plan committee will be working on. Yeah.

The survey just went out. You can go online and fill out the survey asking about your opinions on those sort of things. Okay. So that would be a good opportunity and I think there will be information at old home days re regarding that survey but I'm not sure exactly how that's going to be handled. Yeah. Um just briefly old home day who who's in charge of that or it's a group effort. I understand I it's staff town staff. I would speak with cheerston. She seems to be the director of that right now.

I mean, I I think I volunteered to uh do something, but um let's see. Friday, I have to get up at 3:00 and make a run to do, come back and and so, but I I'll be um I think in the afternoon I would be available. So, yeah, I think people will be down there setting up for the next day. Yeah. Usually they do it Friday afternoon. Yeah. So, we'll see you there. Yeah. Thank you. All right. Thanks.

So, I would like to comment on on Ray's comment. Um, I know that this project has been ongoing. Uh, it's it's actually 30-year plan. They have so many segmented plans at the state level and they every year they add every two years they add. Oh, the DOT plan. What you talking about? Okay. Yeah. So it's it's all part of the transportation plan and they talk about I get this almost every meeting I go to con uh southern the ranch plan

planning commission. Yeah. And you know it it does make me wonder what he said how if they've got this I don't think this is the right one but if it's coming out too close to that intersection is planning board taking into consideration what this the state has planned for that and it will it affect that development? Will they have to knock a building off the front or see that that is all a planning board discussion. We're not supposed to be addressing that here, but so and the thing is who can

they have to apply for curb cut on 28? That's dot. So DOT should say, I have this plan. I have this curb cut request. Do these things go together or not? That that's their job. Is that their Yeah. Well, okay. So, do you think somebody's going to be doing this? Well, I I suspect somebody's going to need to recommend that they communicate to each other because for example just here the building department and the assessing department don't always connect. C can I just say one other thing? You know the DOT has done some of the engineering for this intersection of Mammoth Road. Okay. Some of this has already been done.

Some of this money has already been spent. Okay. But they have not done the final decision as to where it's going to be. One of them is, you know, where the stop sign is, the head of Mammoth Road, the gas station. And one of them they're going to do away with that, right? Okay. It's not going to go straight. They were supposed it's going to go Smith Lane and then it's going to be a stoplight there. Okay. I thought Smith Lane was going to be eliminated. Well, it it can't be if they're the latest it can't be. if they if they do it with a straight shot. Okay. A long way. We're getting way off, but yeah, but it's interesting.

I know. Um, so in my search for an appraiser, I actually got a maybe from somebody who will get back to me next week with her final thoughts thoughts. Um, do we need to vote you some money to No, because we don't know how much that is yet. We're not that close. Um, I saw all the the email about the Lithia signs. Are we are we getting a professional graphic designer? Yes, I u I can get you on an update on Lithia right now or Okay. Yeah.

So, the deconstruction of the causeway has begun. The trees have been removed from the part that we're deconstructing. The the bushes have been removed. Some of the bushes have been tagged to be replanted as, you know, restoration in the in the area that the soil will be dumped in. Uh, I'm going down tomorrow um to see them take their first bite out of the causeway and hopefully document the cross-sections how is it was constructed. Cool.

And I'd invite y'all to come down, but um the the the machine that they're using is as wide as the causeway, so you're going to have to walk out into the wetland to see anything. Um, so and it's dangerous because they can't see you, you know, when they're up. It's 90 90 degrees that too.

So, um, but anyway, that that's that's happening. And, um, as we agreed, there's a about a 90 foot section that's being retained that leads from the springhouse. And then there it'll just go get scooped down to organic soil and the wetlands will flow back together just like the Red Sea after Moses went through. So that that's and and as part of that discussion, I got to chat a long time with the EES staff that was actually on site to visit today and see how it was going. And I'm I am quite certain that I know they're going to support us and I'm quite certain they will succeed in getting us um some additional funds to cover uh any any expenses we have that are beyond the budget that we originally submitted. So that'll include a historian uh developing the content,

graphic designer, making the sign, and then we'll continue with the quote that we got. Although it's likely to become still before all said and done, we want to go back. Where are you putting the sign? Because you you if it's that much of an adventure to get out there, um is it going to be where people can see it? Uh depending of right now they'll have to bushwack if they would together but I think we need to build the trail before we put the sign in. We just we need to get the signs paid for. Sure. Sure. Think of Mar's barn along with everyone else does

along with Well, the Elchip sign is in my garage and has been for a couple years. So, but yeah. So, we do need to move forward on the the parking area and then that'll allow us to get going on the on the trail and I think we need to, you know, bite the bullet and and fund the the creation of the trail. It doesn't sound like we're going to really get that far with with trailways. I don't know unless you tell me. Yeah, it doesn't sound like it, but um did do we have you know, you wanted me to put something in the the report about money that's encumbered. Is is this something that's encumbered or Well, the Yeah, the

and what and I don't know these numbers. So, if if you want me to start make keeping a record of it, I need to know what they are. Okay. Yeah, I can that budget amount. Yeah. So, it's it's about 26,000 or so, but um yeah, I mean we you haven't committed any funds to the sign maker other than the the initial ones that we have and that estimate is now low. So, and I don't think we ought to commit anymore. We we need to have the ARM fund make good on, you know, funding us the differential. So, we'll we'll pay what we signed up to pay, right?

And that's the number that u I I can give you if or I can just send you the budget. Yeah, that's whatever we've committed to is all we need to Yeah. just account for in our budget, right? And then, but to answer your question, there's two signs. One is intended to be installed at the site of the spring itself, the where the spring house was, and then the other one, it will be at the head of the the rump of the causeway. And those two are right now they're impenetrable Japanese

bittersweet but you know they're four 4 or 500 feet apart probably but so we need a trail that gets you out there and then a trail that takes you over to the causeway right now until you are actually standing at the beginning of the causeway you can't even tell it's there because it's so overgrown. So there's there's a lot of work to do. Um anything with Parer Road? Have we heard from that attorney? I did I did double check and got the same Oh, I'll nudge him answer from the attorney.

Yeah, because I I looked up and on May 15th he said we'll have it next week. Yeah. Yeah. I think well I mean I I don't and I'd be curious how much he's charging us for sitting on it for Well, yeah, he's doing anything. He's he's contracted it to a title company and they're the ones that are the source of the delay. I bet not. I hope you're right. Um but I'll I'll I'll buzz him again. We might want to ask Sean Maholand to help us out with that. Yeah, sounds like it.

I'll be meeting with him actually on another Thursday, right? Yeah, we can bring that up. Yes. But I'll try to get with him before lawyer, give him a heads up that, you know,

so I have the latest pro promise pass on to Sean. Um, and then on Monday's town council meeting, they're going to do a first reading of a proposal to change the land use change tax so that the conservation gets 100% instead of just the 6040 split. Oh, but it won't be a public hearing until the next meeting. So that's

which would be two weeks or a month. Two weeks. I think it's September 8th. The package that the counselors um received was good, but uh there's a lot more to be said. Well, I still have your PowerPoint from when we were fighting for it at the 2016 on the I I l looked at that myself today. What we need really is an updated version of that. I think um and I think maybe on Thursday we can ask Sean what the best avenue is for us to

Yeah, because I don't think we don't need to present for the first reading, but when the public hearing comes up, I think it would be helpful if we presented something. Yeah. So, it's just the first reading of the next meeting. Is that correct? Correct. Qualifies. Um, described as And then I I do see the conseration ranger truck. Oh, I know. ATV in the back of it. Oh, I see. I see. So, I see it all around. So, I'm going to person in it. They were using it today to put out barricades for old home days, I assume. Yep. I'm going to check with LPD to see if we have

Whose gas are they burning? Hired a a a person or we just Right. Yeah. The part that gets me is when I see it with the ATV in the back, right? Yeah. Yeah. Um so that's wear and tear that's not ours. True. And then what are we going to do with Charlie? I was I was thinking about him and then it's clearly he doesn't want to do this. Yeah, I think we have to I think we need to just confirm that and find someone else. I will do that. You know, I feel bad that he's done some work but he Why is it necessary to confirm anything? He's made

Yeah, true. made it very clear. It's been years. So, yeah, years. Um, literally I think it was before CO that we started this honestly. And so, who who's next? Who's Who's next? I don't know specifically any for any foresters. I know the the Rockingham Well, he's not assigned to just Rockingham. The Cooperative Extension County Forester person. Oh, is that what's his name? Greg. Okay. Um escapes me at the moment, but he's like head of the forestry. So, he could recommend someone for us probably. I have some contacts that I can probably hit up.

All right. See, as again, we've got the funds. We're just And Greg used to work for Charlie. Oh. So, yeah. Um, anything else? I I guess that's all I have. If anybody else has anything I am separated from my email so it will probably be with any luck I could pro I will probably have enough information to do it your end to okay cool for the next meeting all things being equal

so that leaves minutes yeah I never saw Oh, so I just abstain. It wasn't in the thing that I sent you. It probably was, but I never said you couldn't get it. Okay. No, I probably just was look I was looking at the plans and I never opened the minutes. That's what happened. So, I can I'll just abstain if everybody's ready to go.

Sure. If there's no further comments, I'll recommend approval of the the minutes of the what's the actual date? July 22nd, 2025 meeting. Okay. Second. Any comments? All in favor? I opposed. And Deb abstains. I abain also. I wasn't. Okay. Bob abstains. Motion pass.

Look like there was non-public in there, too. Yep.

The uh the non-public minutes were remarkably succinct. That was a recommendation. If we if we can't meet the criteria to seal the minutes, then we're supposed to be very achieved. So, we can we can we can have non-public meetings, but they aren't really non-public if we don't seal them. Correct. And there's only certain Yeah. reasons you can seal them. So,

we don't have to put Like when we discuss potential acquisition properties, we don't list the properties. We just discuss acquisition properties. Yeah. Yeah. But we didn't even do that on these minutes. I mean, it was just I'm okay with it as long as it's not a problem. I don't know. With if Kirstson says it's okay, you know, then I'm okay. I'll move we approve the minute the non-public minutes from July 22nd. Okay. As presented. Second. I second. Sorry.

We'll let El do it. She doesn't get to do it. Okay. Any further discussion? All in favor? I opposed. Abstain. Deb and Bob and Bob. Abstain.

I'll move we adjourn. Okay. Okay. I'll second that. Motion by Jean, second by Deb. All in favor? I. I. Meeting adjourned.