Conservation Commission - Regular Meeting

I have 7:30. Um, it's April 28th, 2026. I'll call this meeting of the Conservation Commission to order. Um, first up is WY Hill. [clears throat]

Good evening. Hello. Hi.

I'm Joe Picarelli with Granite Engineering. uh here tonight representing CMS [snorts] Liit Limited Partnership, the owner and applicant for the project. Uh the project we're discussing tonight is a residential subdivision. It is located at 90 Wally Hill Road on an undeveloped property. Uh the parent procel is map 5 lot 14. It is a little over 20.8 acres in area. Uh it's located entirely within the agricultural residential zoning district. Uh this property has a lot of frontage on Wally Hill Road approximately 1,300 ft. Uh we did have the property delinated for wetlands. Uh we have wetland complexes throughout the property. Uh the wetland areas on site are associated with scarbo mucky sandom which is a hydric very poorly drained soil. uh in the field it presents as predominantly wooded forested wetland system. Uh let's see and the rest of the property is upland. Uh a property above some town and private conservation land to the north. Uh New England Power Company to the west and residential homes to the south on the opposite side of Wally Hill Road. Um and then additional residential homes west of the property. Uh so what you see in front of you is our proposal for an eight lot subdivision comprised of conventional lots. Uh four of these lots would be accessed with driveways directly off of WY Hill Road. Uh four of the lots will be accessed via a share driveway. um as lots 14-1 and 14-4 have uplands

um in the back of the lot. So to access the uplands, uh we're proposing a couple of those shared driveways. Could you say those numbers again, please? [clears throat] Sure. Um they don't seem 14-1 and 14 to the last two pages. It's got easier to see in the color. Okay. So, it's not I'm on the wrong one then. [sighs]

So, it's lots 14-4. Well, I'm I'm not in the right math anymore. I'm on page two. I was too. minimize it there and then do the concom plans and then scroll to the last two pages which [clears throat] I can't tell you what numbers they are eight [snorts]

so it's lots 14-4-5 and then a second shared driveway for lots 14-1 and 14-2 which are the two most uh easterly lots. Um these lots generally range in I'm still not there. [laughter] Don't you you can use the maps on the screen if you want. No, I can't. I This is eight. You can scroll up one more to seven. And these are the two that I think are easiest to see. Okay. [clears throat] So now the fir first one, two, three. [snorts] Oh, I see the shared driveway. Okay. And what else? And on the last page there's

how how are we getting to those? Oh, yeah. Okay. Thank you for taking giving me time.

Uh so these lots generally range in 1.1 to 2 and a half acres. Uh with the largest raining lot uh being 8.7 acres. Uh we do not have any wetland impacts as part of the project. Uh however, however, we do have wetland buffer impact totaling approximately 9,842 square ft. Uh those wetland impacts, they are shown in a magenta color. If you go to sheets seven and eight, right? So that uh hatched magenta color are the buffer impacts. Uh the green lines being the delineated wetlands themselves.

So those are permanent wetland impacts. Permanent buffer impacts. Yes. or there's no wetland impact. Nope, there's no wetland impact. Um those green lines are highlighting the actual wetlands themselves. So we're only affecting the buffer. So what about temporary buffer impacts? Um everything you see there is just permanent. There's no temporary. So it's it's going to be all all permanent. you have a couple houses like the corner of the house is touching the buffer. So there's no way heavy equipment is going to get around that foundation without going in the buffer.

Right. So you're saying um for example that proposed driveway kind of threading those buffers. Yeah. I'm not talking about the driveway. I'm talking about lot five. Right. I don't know. I can't see it. It's the middle one on page eight. [clears throat] and a lot on page eight. But that's not the only one. There's one on page seven, too, where the house is essentially touching the buffer, correct? Yep. So, I'm guessing you can't avoid temporary impacts on that,

right? Um, so we can certainly take another look at providing a separate takeoff for those temporary impacts. So, what is your do you have a conditional use permit for what are you asking for in your conditional use permit? Um, for the conditional use permit, we're asking for those wetland buffer impacts. Uh, we're still in the design review phase, right? But [clears throat] we don't really allow driveways and things are they get some kind of special dispensation now because it's access

that I don't know how long is that driveway? That's a long driveway, right? It is a long driveway. Um are you talking about the Yeah, I don't know what number that is. That that house that's close to the buffer that you were talking about. Yep. Four. But they're about um 5 to 700 feet. They have a good platform. [clears throat] Have you been to the fire department with us yet? Not yet.

And how do you how what's the the greatest encroachment into the the buffer zone? How many feet in? Uh the greatest encroachment gets pretty much right up into the wetland line. If you look on on page seven, we have a uh drainage pipe going a few feet before the actual wetland line. Jean, correct me if I'm wrong, but is a driveway an allowed use in the buffer?

You're allowed to cross the buffer to get to other upland. You're not allowed to park in the buffer, but you're allowed to cross it. So, that means they can put all the pavement they want in in the buffer to get to that upland lot. They can put a driveway. I think this is the driveway. As long as it's gone across it and not you know using it as a route. Yeah. [clears throat]

Well, this reminds me of 10 years ago when I said all the easily developed lots in London have been sold and built on. Yeah, this is definitely squeezing it in. I see two problems. One, before you sell the houses in which they're going to say there's no backyard

and then the second problem is after they do sell it anyway, they're going to start encroaching on the backyard or there they'll have the backyard start encroaching on the buffer areas. I mean, if I owned that house, I all my lawn clippings and everything would be [clears throat] going into the buffer zone. Yeah. [laughter] Right. Along with snow. Won't have very many lawn clippings because it's not a very big lot. Well, it's a big lot, just small yard. Well, yeah,

that's what I meant. Would this development be a no-go if you did away with some of those houses? Um, I'd have to talk to the applicant. I just, but I'm not saying you have to. It's definitely not an easy piece of property, right? [laughter] 700 feet is a lot of snow to plow, too. I mean, for a driveway and it's very close to the to the buffer zone. So, it's it's actually on the buffer. Yeah. Some of it's going to go

some of the snow's going to affect that. And if it has chemicals in it for from ice melt or so forth, then would it be helpful to show some uh safe snow areas? Yeah. Even though they're just That's actually a requirement once you get to the plan. [clears throat] Mike, is the um the max limit of of a culdeac is is 1,200 feet. Am I remembering that right? I'm not sure. Essentially, this a couple of these are they're like culde-sacs.

It's you know there it's a long entryway and then a house at the end of it. And I I know the fire department. The reason we limit the length of a culde-sac is so that the fire department doesn't get, you know, all tied to knots trying to get their equipment out there. Um, so it'll be interesting to see how they feel about about some of these [clears throat] shared drive. Yeah, because that last one I can't see how they're they would turn around. Is there town water on WY Hill? I don't know. I don't think so. So, we'd have to run tankers. The plan calls for this be wells.

Yeah. It'll be private wells in private septic. Yeah. So, so the fire department's going to have to run tankers if there was an issue there, which means they have to be able to get in and out without turning around without backing out. Present there'd be no hydrants there. I I I feel like on once you get to the fire department, they're going to ask for you to make some bigger turnaround areas, which is going to complicate the problem with the buffers of some of them.

Mike, can you go back to the other picture? What is the reason for that disturbance right there? It seems to be you're altering the buffer. I don't see anything going in it relating to the house, relating to anything else. Uh there's a proposed well and some grading in that area. Uh perhaps that wall could be moved back north of the house. Uh but we have so the problem is we have the septic

in the back there. So we're trying to find room for that. Well, that's why that's the south of the uh dwelling there. I think it's a pretty small impact. 866 ft is what you show here. Yeah, buddy. That's correct. But that's the reason for that well there is to have uh the 75 ft or sorry 100 150 ft to the uh septic.

Which way does the property drain? Uh so the whole property if you go if you're looking at this sheet here um everything pretty much drains to the hash magenta area south of the property and then there's a head wall that leads to a drainage pipe that goes under Wally Hill Road is the the 8 acre lot which I think is must be see 76 54 oh I guess it's lot four the big one.

Yep. Do you need all of that acreage in the back to comply with some other subdivision requirement? I don't believe so because you're butdding up against our, you know, crown jewel musquash. Um, and it looks like you're not going to be doing much disturbance in that. Nope. Not much is going on back there. So, are you suggesting that we cut a parcel out of that? Um, if you were willing to do that, that would I think be helpful. Yeah.

Yeah, that's definitely something I can discuss with the applicant. We would just basically combine it with the existing parcel there. So, there wouldn't have to be a, you know, it's like not like a new subdivision or anything.

Just [clears throat] be a running two lots together. But is it possible to to ask these folks to to come back after they've met with the fire department? Would you be willing to do that and and just share whatever changes they're requiring of you?

Yep, absolutely. um especially since we only filed for the design review. So, we're still waiting on comments from the town's peer reviewer, the town itself, um and any other town departments that might have been taking a look at this in the last few weeks uh since we submitted. Yeah, because I imagine the fire department's going to want you to make some changes that or could impact, right,

the buffer differently than what we see now. and the uh the property being what it is, you know, we're certainly expecting some comments back from peer review towns, but um we're asked to come here tonight, so we figured it'd be a good opportunity just to kind of get ahead of things. Um see how see how this commission is feeling, especially with all the complicated wetlands on the site and realize it's how difficult it is to access it back. [clears throat] So, we want to leave it at that. just request that they come back after.

Yeah, I think so. After uh with any changes that are imposed by the other land use boards or staff and it may be that we'll be able to look at your design review at the same time. Yeah, I think that'd be a really good idea. Um, I think the best course to go is wait for that those memos to come in and then uh maybe reach out to Mike to set up a good meeting date after that. That way we have a lot of those changes incorporated into the next iteration of the plans. All right. [clears throat]

The other thing I would say is we can put in our recommendations to u include snow no snow snow storage area. Looks like you got the the markers up, which is good. Yep. I think [clears throat] every 50 feet. Ensure that we don't create a situation where people are going to expand their backyards into the buffer.

Okay. Should we ask anything about musquash? About about musquash whether they want to add any Oh, yeah. I certainly would like you to, you know, pursue that. I mean that's not not that's not an exaction that we can demand of you here but if if it would lighten your stewardship bill uh burden you know it would be good for us. Okay. Yep. We'll take that into account. Good. Okay. Thank you.

Yep. Thanks for your time tonight. coming in. Um, next up is the Eversource transmission line. Did did you other folks have uh comments on this WY Hill or Wy Hill Road project or

No, they may be more zoning related. Okay.

Okay. All right. Thank you for having us. Um, my name is Lindseay Tower. I work with GZA Geo Environmental. We have Kurt Nelson uh with Eversource Energy and we are here for an upcoming maintenance project along the existing 326 transmission line through the town of Londereerry. Um, the project before you is for new upcoming maintenance. Um, the schedule it's proposed to start in October, so this coming October 2026 and be completed before May 2027. So, it'll be outside of the typical growing season. Um, we know that this type of work's been before you before, so we'll we'll keep it fairly brief. Um, for this project, Eversource is proposing to replace 11 existing wooden utility poles. They're the typical H-frame wooden poles to be replaced with the steel equivalent. Um the proposed work does require some impacts within the town's conservation overlay district and that is for access and workpad placement within wetlands and wetland buffers. Um where access and the work pads are in wetlands. Ever source will utilize typical temporary timber matting uh to temporarily cross the wetlands and it creates the service between construction equipment um and the wetland resources and once work is completed that would be removed from the wetlands. um and restored and monitored for restoration. Um during construction, GZA will be completing routine construction monitoring inspections to review erosion and sediment controls. Um and we'll be monitoring the project through the following spring, probably into early summer for restoration, reveation growth monitoring. Um so that's something that will be completed and um in the uplands, including the wetland buffers. Um, Eversource will typically um have gravel for the access routes. Um, a lot of this is already existing access routes that are going

through the project. Um, and they typically maintain it or keep it in the right of way after construction for emergency um, issues or for future maintenance work. Um, so that's kind of the the upland versus wetland. And again, so this is maintenance. Um, Eversource is not adding any new lines. Um, we're expanding the width of the rideway. So, it's the typical um pole replacement projects.

Is this the last section that you have to [laughter] do? Far from it. We're getting there. We No, we are going forever. We We're getting there. Yeah. Yeah. We appreciate the town's um patience with us as we're in front of you an awful lot. We understand that. Um the Scobby Pond substation is the major hub in the whole state. So we have lots of lots of transmission lines and this has been the asset condition replacement most of these lines instead of the full rebuild. Um but uh we're almost there. So would you define asset condition replacement?

Yeah. So that's that's essentially when um so the lines get inspected every year or every other year and you know the the wood poles you're looking for defects, rot, decay, etc. We sometimes have opportunity structures where um you know if we're in a large wetland complex, we know another structure or next to it's only got an extra few years maybe left on it. we we'll call that an opportunity structure. So, um and so we go about getting the funding to do those replacements. Um over I'd say the last couple years there's been an awful lot of scrutiny on spending um for Eversource. And then, you know, one can say, well, why do you keep why don't you just do them all at once? Um there's actually push back on that notion as well that you shouldn't be replacing anything unless it absolutely needs it. So we're getting pressure from sort of both sides. So when the opportunity arises, you know, if we have a a circuit that's got 50% failure or, you know, need of replacement, then that typically qualifies for a full line rebuild. Otherwise, it's it's the the onesie twoosies. But I believe this, if I'm not mistaken, this particular the 326 circuit that we're on, um, believe it or not, we will be before you again in about a year's time. [laughter] And I was told that that's that's it for this line. We've done the steel replacement. So I mean, we have seen you before with 326 line.

Oh yeah. Yes. Absolutely. And I was trying to figure out, you know, how do you decide you know the sequence of replacing all these why you're always going in and out. Yeah, it I mean understand about you know the regulators don't want you you know creating capital projects for the rateayers to pay for. I understand that, but at the same time that there doesn't I mean the line I think it went in all pretty much at the same time and yet some of the these wooden poles are deciding to poop out and some of them aren't.

Yeah, there's been some replacements on the way as well too. So it's not all it's not all original. Can I ask when when you're doing this, what what happens to those conductors? Are they laying on the ground? No, no, no. It's all suspended. This one, not sure if we're working I don't believe we're working this live line here. I think this was will be outage, but they use cranes and things to support the conductors. So you build the tower and then move the conductor over to the new position,

put the new new poles in place. Usually it's 5 to 10 feet from the existing structure. Um usually they could get those poles set in between the phases. If they have to pull a phase out, they can do that and essentially have the new structure erected. Um then they clip in the conductor into the new structure and then remove the old Go ahead.

I don't want Well, I wanted to ask Mike, can you pull up um the aerial of the area just uh west of Preserve Drive? Uh it's where the two big lines that are in the south part of Musquash come together. And the reason I'm asking is according to your application, which is very similar to all the other applications that we get, the pads are 100 by 100 ft and then they're restored to become 40 by 60 ft.

So I spent some time. Yeah. Right. There you go. See that little V of the two lines coming together? Just zoom in on the eastern side. Yeah. Zoom in some more. See? Yeah. Oh, lot. Maybe not quite that. There you go. Okay. Now, if you just pan along that line running up to the northeast, see the pads from previous work. I measured them. They're still 100 ft. So, how do we how do we know for sure that you're going to do what the plan says? Yeah. Yeah. We say generally they they get reduced down to 30 by 60. Those Yeah. I I don't have a good answer for you on why those were were left fully at 100 by 100. Uh however, it it [clears throat] may depend on topography. Basically, um we try and blend to the surrounding topography. So, we want to at least a 30 by 60 flat flat area um at the base of the pole for future maintenance. If there's sloping topography around that, we try and blend in. Um, as you can kind of see from that photo, um, the good news is even though that's somewhat compacted gravel, those areas do reveate. Um, takes a little time, but um, certainly new construction on our rightways looks, you know, fairly stark. You see a lot of 100 byund gravel pads and access roads. So, you know, it's it stands out visually, but um this rightway corridor is a good example of um you know, seeing that succession, you know, herbaceous succession take place within the gravel. So, and it gives us that that stable platform to work from in the future.

So, what does it mean when when you say you're going to reduce pad from 100 100 to 60 or 30? Mhm. What is that really? What does that imply on the ground? What are you going to do to restore that?

Yeah. So, um, typically when creating an upland work pad, um, you know, it's usually bulldozers involve getting a flat level surface. So, they're going to be scraping up the surficial soils and that's going to get sort of windroad around the perimeter of the uh, work pad area. That'll typically depending if it's during the growing season, that'll get seated for temporary stabilization. Then when we come in during restoration phase, we'll pull that material back in on top of the perimeter of that gravel pad to reduce it. In some instances, some gravel might get reclaimed, but typically it's um a matter of just any of the stockpiled soils bringing that back in to sort of cover over.

Does it get seated? Um the any disturbed soil gets seated. Absolutely. Yeah. Gravel not typically. And it, as I said, the um nature absor, um from all the years being out there, we we do see some pretty good native herbaceous specy. Um do you have a seed mix that you put in there? It's like we are typ the dees in wetland areas. Yeah. There are

um typically specifications for New England wetland mix. However, that being said, 99.99% of the time we don't need to seed because the native seed bankank is so is so good. You know, we we honestly the native seed banks there, it's almost never do we see a wetland that doesn't germinate with something. So, um, we're t typically using like conservation mixes and uplands and things like that, but it in in this this environment, you get a lot of just your your native orbaceous species growing in. It used to be um licorice golden rod was on the um was on the natural heritage bureau's um list of rare plants

in New Hampshire and they removed it from the rare plant list because it grows like wildfire in our gravel access. Now there were some other things that were growing in in London that I'd never seen. I mean I do rare plant stuff and I'd never seen them. Never seen them. Yep. So interesting. Yep. When you say you reduce the size of the pad, does that mean you're removing some of the gravel or just if we can if we don't have to, it's a lot more cost effective not to. Yeah, it's it just less truck trips and all that. So yeah,

I noticed in [clears throat] this application that there there isn't a nice picture of black racers and cottontails and [snorts] spotted turtles. And I know that when you cross 102 in that area there

those species are present. So I'm trying to figure out why that was left off the plan. So we do have um coordination with so now that the process goes through dees for um rare threat endangered species we have a wetlands permit um and we do have that coordination completed um in BMPPS which is why we have work that's starting it has to start in October and finish before the next growing season as well as it being the next active season. Um, so those note sheets with the photos will be included on the wetlands permit application that'll be submitted and the town will get a copy of that. Um, either we just didn't have it in at the exact time when we submitted this application. We just got it recently. Um, but it being a state requirement, you'll see those on that one. Um,

and there be a biologist clearing those areas that are sensitive because it's outside the active season. Um we do not have that requirement. Um there is one area the yeah we should the matting um for structure 38 which is shown on page three of four. Um that work pad they are requiring us to have wetland matting down before October 15th. Y

before October 15th because that's their designated um turtle overwintering time frame. And so there will be a qualified biologist on site monitoring and sweeping fur turtles during that installation so that matting doesn't get placed on potential overwintering turtles. So that's the only area that they'll have matting in before October 15th. And that will be monitored by a qualified biologist. Thank you. Welcome. Yeah. Just curious, what prevents trees from growing 50 feet, 100 feet high? I mean, how do you stop the trees from growing? We right now we're mechanical mowing in of the rightway corridor every in this rightaway every three years. So

was it a coincidence that you just did the that line like where it crosses Hardy Road? I mean it's it's I've never seen it quite get quite so low. I don't know if you got a new piece of equipment or what, but it's they had at least three out there at one time. Yeah. Yeah. the the rightaways [clears throat] through London area are split into a few different projects. So you might see some work going on every year. So it's not necessarily connected to this. No, no. It's like they have a separate veg maintenance program. So that's where it gets cycled through the every three years. So this depending on which direction we're coming out of Scobby Pond, um those are may happen in different years.

You ever used goats? No, there was I can [laughter]

back in the day public service in New Hampshire um tried using sheep and this was um after Seabbrook um and they thought they would try something unique and using sheep and sheep herders uh as a method for vegetation control uh but was not coste effective. the sheep uh uh preferentially ate the the compatible vegetation, the low growing stuff and and so it just wasn't it wasn't a feasible alternative. But believe it or not, down Eversource in Connecticut is looking into a goat pilot project. But yeah,

so basically we have no objections. No, I I'd appreciate it if you could just take that feedback back to every source that the some of the pads seem lingering longer than further understood on that. Yep. [clears throat]

Yeah. I know we um completed the I 158 line which runs out of Scobby over to Manchester um and our contractor was great on they were able to work with them. uh a smaller pad. You know, we can't when we go out and permit these things, we need to make sure they have enough safe area to work, but the contractor at their discretion says, "No, I'm good with a smaller pad." And sometimes they're forced into that situation.

Uh they can get by with that. And that particular line, uh we had very tight and concise work pad areas on that one. That was a full line rebuild six miles from Scobby to to Hugh Road in Manchester. One final question if you don't mind. Mhm. Do you ever look at or or consider replacing conductors with more efficient conductors? I know that the their R&D is going on to develop them, but then you know and there you in in the corridor, you got the equipment. Would be a great opportunity,

right? Yeah. My understanding I'm I'm no line engineer. Um, but and I'm not sure what our standard is on on 345 KV, but on our one not our 115s, we have sort of a standard conductor size that we're using sort of companywide. Um, which is uh preferable in terms of uh having that consistency. it has uh it is able to carry more ampacity than some of the other cables. So that's kind of what we default to. Um good.

I I can't speak specifically with respect to whether there's a conductor alternative for for this current line or not. Thank you. [clears throat] Right. We good. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you.

Anyone for public comment? Hi. [clears throat] [snorts]

Uh, Ray Brson, three Gary Drive. Uh, obviously I got here late. There was a lot of yard work to do today, [laughter] so I had to take advantage of the good weather. Um, so I'm just kind of picking up on what was presented here. It Is this a new um overhead line? No. No. They're just changing out the wooden [clears throat] poles for metal poles. They put in a bunch of wooden poles and they're not holding up as long as as well as they thought they would. So, they're being replaced. Have been for a couple years. Yeah. Which is a tremendous cost. Yes. Tremendous cost.

[sighs] [snorts] Yeah. I guess I wonder how that's being financed. Um, [clears throat] check your bill, right? It's easy to tell. Huh? Check your bill.

Oh, yeah. Wait a minute. Let me let me check my oil bill. $700. But that's a different subject. But um we have an awful lot of high tension lies going through the town of Londereerry. A lot a lot of impact. Uh unfortunately it's here and there's not much we're going to do about it. Um [clears throat] but I look at the cost of all of this. Replacing wooden poles. uh wooden poles that doesn't matter whether they're in good shape, bad shape, whatever. You're going to replace with metal poles, really costly hollow metal poles. I often time wonder what how long those are going to last. Uh it looks like to me, I don't think they're galvanized. I think they're made out of steel. Hollow steel poles. I could be corrected if I'm wrong. Um, and I want I would wonder what the life expecties is of those. Um, we have these folks here. Um,

I'm happy to answer questions. Good. Thank you. Okay. I'm supposed to direct it to them. Yeah, please do if you're willing. Yeah, we're asking the question. Um, okay. If Yeah, it's okay. You can talk to him. Oh, I can talk to you. Okay. [laughter] Yes. Yeah. I I I I I wonder about that because they they are steel poles, correct? They're hollow steel poles. Uh and um does some of that go into the ground? Yep. It touches the ground. Mhm. And and so how long is that going to last before those corrode?

So the bases of the poles have a uh weatherproofing on them. It's like a I want to It's some polymer. So in inert, you know, plasticky polymer at the base. So that's so it's got that for corrosion protection uh subsurface. And you're correct, they are hollow. Uh my understanding is I believe they're also um filled with an inert gas as well to help reduce oxidation oxidation. You you do you know that for a fact or you just think that's that's my understanding. I would have to fact check that.

Yeah. Yeah. Which would be an added cost. Um and and does does not a lot of that come from the federal government to um ever source uh to cover some of the cost of doing all of that replacing all these wooden poles with steel poles.

Yeah. So if you as far as the question of your bill, this is uh this falls under the transmission charge on your bill. Um the uh transmission funding is typically regulated through FK. It doesn't happen at the state level. It doesn't happen through the PUC like your street side distribution does. That that funding Yeah. happens through the PUC.

Yeah. So um ISO New England is the regional grid operator um that that that we report to. Um they um you know utilsource isn't unique in terms of uh changing out aged infrastructure. So um again this falls under uh asset condition replacement. There is um processes within ISO New England. it's come under, you know, there's people thinking there isn't enough checks and balances that, oh, we just willingly do what we want. But, as I said, that, you know, why don't we just replace them all, you know, um again, because there needs to be the justification with um inspection data saying that this pole is showing enough sign of defects or this crossarm is checked or cracked, that sort of thing.

Yeah, I I understand. But um it it it appears as though all of the poles all of the wooden poles in in a particular corridor are being replaced with steel whether the wooden one is bad or not. Well, I mean this is a case example of you know a prime example where we are been doing them over time because they're wood poles that have been past their inspections. So we haven't changed them. Yeah. Well, I'm not here to find fault. [laughter] Okay. You you folks are doing your job. Y okay but I'm happy to

but the fact of it is a lot of this cost a lot of us a lot of money and a lot of this is passed on which is you're you're entitled to do that. Uh that that's fine. But um no, I mean I can wrap this up. What?

No, I'm just gonna say the there is utility wide, you know, believe me, there's no one's got their head in the the sand that it is, you know, the cost of utility rates are are high, right? And so, um we certainly understand that as a company, um there are driving factors beyond um you know the typical type of maintenance that we do here, materials, you name it. Thankfully um New Hampshire is in a pretty good position compared to some other states. Uh Massachusetts, for example, 27% of their bill is adders in terms of electric vehicle um subsidies, uh greenhouse gas initiative subsidies to support various projects, [clears throat] uh things like that. We're we're nowhere near uh that ballpark in New Hampshire.

Yeah. We we we we got a little problem with uh power production and and natural gas uh coming into the state to make an electricity. So generation is completely out out of our purview with with well with deregulation we don't that is that is an open marketplace generation. So yeah, that is not a you know the cost of generation is not something we can control. Yeah. Trans, if I'm not mistaken, I believe the transmission charge on your bill is about 4 cents a kilowatt hour.

Well, it's it's the largest portion of our bill though, I believe, is it not? No. No. No. No. And the transmission costs get regionalized throughout New England as well. and depending on um number of customers or load within the area. So um New Hampshire I believe only has about 9% of the load in New Hampshire. Yeah. So we regional getting off of we're getting off the subject. We'll wrap this up. [laughter] I'm sorry. I got way too many questions. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. What you do? Thank you.

Thank you for answering his questions. Um, no other public comment. Okay. Um, old business. I got in touch with Mike Barley. I I saw the name on it. [laughter] It was to remind me to tell you that and he said when he added you, he took himself off so he can't he can't put [clears throat] me on. But what are the words that I I mean there's got to be some button I can push to put you on. I googled and there's like five different ways depending on what machine you're on. Yeah, I can't do that. And I tried three of them and couldn't make it

on my own Facebook page. So, unless you can find a teenager somewhere [laughter] that's can fix that. I think somebody I think the senior center has somebody that come somebody around here has somebody that comes in and does answers question. I think I know what we can do for an asset here. They were they were trying to be green. You can fix Facebook. Oh, yay. [laughter] We'll we'll converse later. Yeah, I'm I'm sure you [clears throat] just need to like maybe bring your laptop because it'll it'll require your sign in. And then you just want to add me as a second person so I can make the inside is where all the protection is. Do that according to what I was just reading while he was talking.

Yeah. All things being equal. Okay. Great. Um, oh, you we talked about this the last time. You maybe you weren't here. I wasn't here last time. Yeah. Does anybody have any old business? Any other old business? How about new business? Because I don't have any of that either. Well, I just, you know, got my latest edition of Wild Lines the other day in the mail and I said, I don't know if any of our newer members are familiar with this. um especially as they're coming out with the the new wildlife action plan in the state. So

is that a subscription thing because I don't think I see it. Maybe is it membership? I get a donation. I give a donation. Yeah, that's probably my game program. Okay, that's okay. That's what I get it from too. Yeah. Every now and then I get a really nice postcard saying please donate again. I think they are sponsoring a online presentation on the new wildlife action plan. I can't remember when it is, but if I probably just can go to that national game website and actually I think it's New Hampshire Association Conservation Commission sponsoring it. Oh, maybe it is. Yeah. Oh, that would be easy. That would be a good one for you guys to

check it out. Perfect. Everybody over on that side familiar with this or do you want to see it? If it makes it better, [laughter]

then we can probably look at minutes to picture it. We don't have anything else. See if we can get a few hundred copies. Yeah, I actually I'm not sure I got Did you just get it? No, I didn't. I did get cuz I remember Fowler's toad. [clears throat]

Oops. I haven't got mine yet, Jean. You must be a favored nation. [laughter] That's what happens when you live in the south part of town. Season comes early. [laughter] Yeah, I got it. I got it. Okay, you got it. Excellent. Thank you. Yeah.

Oh, I I looked at the minutes. I didn't see anything. Madam Chair, I'll uh move that we approve the minutes. There were He has a couple amendments you gave. Yeah. They're in there. I think so. Officially appoint Mike No, because is L full member? Yes. Okay, then Mike can you can vote for L. Yeah, second. Okay. Motion by Mike, second by Bob. All in favor? I

I opposed. Abstain. Um David abstains. That's it. So, else anything else? I'll move we adjourn. Okay. Second that now that I'm voting. [laughter] Motion by Jean, second by Mike. All in favor? I. Meeting adjourned.