Municipal Council - Regular Meeting

Thank you.

I love waiting for my 5.30. We'll start here in a moment.

It's not quite 5.30.

It's not quite 5.30. Are you ready? We'll call to order the Logan Municipal Council regular meeting for September 15th, 2026. And we will start today with the Pledge of Allegiance and then move into the rest of our agenda. I've asked Mayor Anderson if he will lead us in the pledge this evening. Thank you, Mayor. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you. Thank you, Mayor. We'll now move to acceptance of the minutes and the approval of the agenda for this evening or any comments on either from the council.

I will, did I say motion or move?

Make a motion or move.

It just left my head. I will move to accept the minutes from September 1st, 2026 meeting and approval of the agenda.

We have a motion and a second. All those in favor, please say aye.

Aye.

Any opposed? Our agenda is approved and our minutes are accepted. Our 2026 regular meeting schedule is the first and third Tuesdays at 5.30 p.m. here in the council chambers. And our next meeting will be October 6th here at 5.30 p.m. And we, I can't believe it's October. That's really, when I got this agenda, I thought, where'd my summer go?

Where did September go?

It is only halfway over, though. Now is the time for questions or comments for the mayor or council. This is a time for anyone who has questions, comments, or concerns that pertain to the mayor or the city council that come to the microphone. We ask that you state your name, city of residence for the record, and also that you keep your comments to three minutes or less. If multiple of you are here for a group or a single issue, we do ask that you appoint a spokesperson for that issue if possible. And then we ask that you keep your comments to items that are pertinent to the business of the Mayor or the Council. But with that I will open up the microphone for any public comment.

Hi, my name is Josh Molitor. Three minutes to get through this, okay. A new study, I think it's a new study that just came out, nine out of 10 renters in the state of Utah cannot afford to purchase a home. That's not good numbers. We have seen an increase from 1985 to 2021 of 20% when it comes to home prices. From 2021 to 2026, we've seen around 90%. Now, show of hands, who saw this coming? I've actually brought it up a couple of times here. Anyway, that's my joke for the start of that thing. What I really want to talk about is what it's like to be in legislation. You guys have the power to create and pass laws. And I'm confused on why we're not passing laws to protect the Logan River. You guys, Jubb and the canal company don't want to even recognize it as a river. They think it's a canal. But before settlers were even here, it was a river. They had the North Fork and South Fork, and that's the reason why we call it the island. It's because the river came around and created an island there. So, honestly, I think we should be thinking about passing legislation and identifying it properly as the river that it is. That's what, you know, I've run two times for City Council. This has been very important to me. And that's what I would be doing if I was up there, creating a piece of legislation. You don't all have to do it as a group. You know, each one of you has the ability to be able to write up legislation on your own, bring it before the council, and see if you can get it passed. And that's what's so great about the legislature body is being able to protect those things that we love in Logan. So I encourage you. There are a lot of people that got a lot of information about properly identifying it for what it is. And I think that we need to do that so that it doesn't get piped, so we don't lose that natural resource. And we thank you.

Thank you, Judge.

Good evening, council members, mayor. I guess Rich Anderson, I'll address you too because you're now involved in this. I was actually, my name's Bill Bradford. I live at 1292 Canyon Road. I was thinking maybe what I should do is come and ask for do reimbursement for the suspension of my vehicles. But we'll, if you've driven up Canyon Road, you know why I'm asking that. I'm really not. I'm one of the residents who signed a petition back that was, came to be a request on August 18th, your city council meeting on August 18th. And the request was, basically requesting documentation to prove the 99-foot right-of-way on Canyon Road. Now the reason that was piqued my curiosity and assigned that was because I'd had more than one individual, one from JV and one from the city, who when they came to me and talked to me, mentioned, oh, you shouldn't worry about this because we have a 99-foot right-of-way and we're only taking 60. That kind of struck me like a bully saying, You know, I could kill you, but I'm just going to cut your finger off. Ironically, my wife works for the school district, and she came home the other day and had to watch videos about bullying, and she said, my gosh, the city fits that description. Interesting. So you guys might want to get with the school district and watch those videos. But beyond the point, I'm curious, because of that, has... the city obtained that documentation proving a nine foot ride away. Does anybody want to answer?

Paul can answer. Can we go through all our public comments? You bet. And if Rich, Anderson, and Paul are ready to answer, you can answer at the end.

If you have, when can we expect to see it? And if you haven't, When will we see it? And is there a problem? Do you need help? I finished that.

Thank you, Bill. We will circle back to that question after all public comment. Is that okay?

Yeah, you bet.

Thank you. Thanks, Rich.

Hi, I'm Maya Camu. I'm with Utah State. I'm director of marketing for GRC, which is just Government Relations Council. I'm here to personally invite you guys to our government gala on September 30th. Shout out to Mike for RSVPing, much appreciated. Our goal this year is to just connect students more with local government and make it seem like a less scary process. But we sent out emails last week, so if you have any questions, feel free to ask them or respond to the email. And yeah, thank you so much.

Thank you for coming. I'm looking forward to it. I appreciate it.

Good evening, Mayor, members of council. My name is Megan Carollo, and I own property at 1233 Canyon Road. I'm here tonight about the September 1st closed session that was noticed for litigation, property acquisition, and eminent domain. I know that closed executive sessions, the discussions have to be kept confidential, but it is a requirement that the outcomes or any decisions that are made in those meetings are made public. So I'm not asking for the details of the discussion. But it is a requirement that if there were any decisions made or there was an outcome from that meeting, that it is to be disclosed to the public. And I want to know if there was a decision or multiple decisions reached in that closed session in regards to property acquisition specifically or MN domain, and when will those decisions be made public? Thank you.

Thank you, Megan.

I'm Linda Johnson, and I live in Logan, not on Canyon Road, but it definitely has affected my life as it has many, probably all residents in Logan, and is a big undertaking. And I know there's been a lot of uncertainty in the news and media about that, and that's difficult for you guys because I feel like each of you do have the best interests of Loganites. I should know this. I'm an American. I know that. Logan White.

That's what I've always gone with.

That's good.

Lagomians.

But I work for the district side to take the vector bullying training. And I don't feel like I'm being bullied. But it is nice knowing that strong leaders are there and that people are there to step forward. And I think that's where a lot of uncertainty and things like that come in. And it is difficult anytime something does affect your property and you do feel then like you're getting the butt end of a stick and that is always, always rough on people and I know you guys aren't trying to foliage more of a thing that is having to be done. I am so glad that Logan took part in the National Day of Service. I was able to help clean up Stewart Park with my kids and Logan did a great job of helping to provide tools and things like that. And there were dumpsters there. I think it was wonderfully coordinated and I so much appreciate all of the effort that Logan has put into creating beautifying spaces and I know that when the Canyon Road project is done that you guys are really putting a lot of thought into making it a beautiful usable space for not just the people of Logan but also broader people who come to Logan so that Logan is a place that people like to come rather than a place people like stay away from there so thank you for helping preserve what you can and help develop in a positive way what needs to be developed and I appreciate that. Thank you guys.

Thank you Linda. Seeing no one, I always leave a long awkward pause in case someone wants to sprint for the microphone. Seeing no one, we'll close our public hearing and questions and comments for the mayor and council. There were a couple of questions there that I just want to follow up on briefly. And I'll direct this one to Paul or Rich. If you are ready at this time to talk about that document, or do you have a rough date of when you might have information on that right away?

The document is a survey right away. We are consultants preparing that. I received a draft of it last night and it's currently being reviewed by attorneys and all that other third party surveyor. When that review is done, we'd be happy to share it and also be available on file at the county recorder's office. We'd be happy to share it with whoever.

If I had to ask you for a rough estimate.

I hesitate to give you a date because I don't want to be wrong, but I'm hoping I would say early, mid next week. Any review, any revision, you just need to take care of that part and go from there.

We won't hold you until Monday, but sometime hopefully next week. If that's specific enough. Thank you, Paul. I think the other question, and Mo, I'm gonna look at you here a little bit, even though you weren't there, but Craig was. Our closed session, my understanding, I mean, I was in there, but there were no decisions made.

Right.

And yeah, there were no decisions made and no, yeah, it was purely informational for the council at that point. So hopefully that answers that question a little bit.

Anything else from the council before we move on? In regards to Linda's question, we had hundreds of volunteers over the two days. I think on Saturday we had close to 500 between all the projects and closer to a thousand. people participating on Friday. There was some amazing work that was done and lots and lots of hours that were donated. Huge differences made in our cemetery and in our parks and on our trails. And very excited to be able to partner with JustServe and to be able to put on that type of event. Had lots of people from Logan, but just as many from all over the county. So it was a great, it was a great opportunity to serve and to make a difference in our community. So thanks for bringing that up. I appreciate it. And Parks and Rec put in a ton of work to make that happen flawlessly. A lot of work, yeah. Staff put in a lot of work. JustServe and the committee, they were amazing to work with. They were great.

Yeah.

Thank you, Mayor.

We'll now move on to mayor and staff reports. Mayor, you've got two of them this evening? We do.

Dr. Courtney Flint from Utah State is here to share some information on the well-being survey. How many, do you do this every other year? Every year, every other year?

So we have done this every two years since 2022 and every year prior to that, back to 2019. Actually surveyed in 2018 even in pilot study work. So we've been doing the wellbeing study for some time. I am hopeful. that we can get this to?

I'm going to be honest. I've had to do two presentations at large conferences in the last couple weeks, and I used your information on both occasions.

Awesome.

That's fantastic. This is what our residents really think about Logan, and it was very valuable for me when I'm sharing that with people who are visiting here and want to know about Logan and what people think and what they think about their community. So it was very helpful for me.

Well, I'm really glad to hear that. So for a little context for everybody else, so I'm Courtney Flint, professor at Utah State University in the Department of Environment and Society. And I'm the associate director of the Utah Water Research Laboratory down north. Canyon Road. And I direct the Utah Well-Being Project. I'm here also with Nicholas Holden, who's a data analyst. So all those beautiful graphics and all of the analysis that went into the report, you can thank Nicholas for. So while we try to get this... Slides up for you. I just want to talk a little bit about the goals of the project. So what we do is first and foremost we're the land grant university and then again with Logan we have an even more special relationship with you because we share this wonderful place. And so we conduct surveys in partnership with cities and towns around the state. We this year have partnered with 57 communities for this report, actually a few more that didn't make it into the report. And we've worked with over 80 communities for quite a few years. We'll just keep rolling along here. We also conduct research with these data, and we also share the data with other relevant interests, such as the Bear River Health Department, other state institutions, and so forth. Fantastic. Thank you.

All right. Yay, Ernesto.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

And Jeff.

Okay, so you can see that we are north to south and east to west around the state partnering with cities and towns together. Information on the perspectives from local residents to inform planning and local decision making along with our other objectives. The report for Logan as well as all the other cities is on our website, and so hopefully you've had a chance to take a look at the data a little bit. I'm just going to give you an overview here. This is an online survey. This is a no-cost partnership, although we have accepted contributions from some communities, and it's very helpful on this shoestring project that we have some funds to work with. The partnership works so that the survey recruitment is done by the cities and towns that we work and partner with. So you guys led the recruitment. In 2026 we had 219 responses, not as many as in 2024 where we had 757 which was just a real banner year for survey participants. That could be some survey fatigue, it could also just be different kinds of, I know that in 2024 there were a lot of people involved in that recruitment and it's just kind of how many angles you get to your community with. One of the things we work hard at is being very transparent about who responds and who does not. It's not a proportionate representative sample of your community. Anyone 18 and older can participate. So we want to be really clear here. We received surveys from mostly full-time residents, varying in their length of residence quite a lot. 25 or so percent have lived here five years or less. So we have our newcomers, but we also have our longstanding residents as well. The survey under-represents a group that is our largest age group in our local community, that 18 to 29 group. That comment is not just to Logan, that's around the state. We don't hear from as many men, we don't hear from as many without a college degree, and we don't hear from as many renters. And then the reverse is clear. We do hear from the flip of those situations as well as those who have children in the household and who aren't married. The green dots represent our survey demographics. The purple dots represent what the census has told us. The wider the gap, the less representative we are. But you can see we're really quite close in income in particular and on employment. And we're pretty good on a lot of the age groups, less so for that younger group, interesting. All right, getting right into the data, we have 67% of those respondents telling us their well-being is a four or a five out of five. That's pretty good. We use this League of Cities and Towns caucus groups to report apples to apples and oranges to oranges to some extent, although we need to really point out that this list, this group of established and mid-sized cities is very heterogeneous. There's a lot of variation there. And the median household income for Logan is considerably lower than a lot of those communities that are at the higher end of the scale here. And we do know that income is fairly well correlated with the overall personal well-being to some extent. So that may be behind what's going on there. Community well-being ratings are always a little bit lower. People seem to tend to think that their own well-being is a little bit better than the wider communities. That's common, but so we see that they're about just about half, say a four or five for the community's well-being. Changes over time, these figures have improved a little bit since the 2024 results. They're kind of back up to where they were in 2022. We track this stuff over time. But again, we have different numbers of people answering the survey, so we have to be cautious of that a little bit. We also ask about 12 different domains or categories of well-being, and we're asking how important they are because we feel that every person's bundle of things that makes up their well-being can be different from another person's. Community bundles can vary as well. And so the most important things for folks that answered the survey from Logan, mental health, safety and security, living standards, and physical health. The highest rated domains, safety and security, family life, and mental health, And in the red zone this year, we have a few things. Connection with nature. These are all the things that are rated quite high, sorry, are quite important, but rated a little lower than average. So connection with nature, leisure time, local environmental quality, and physical health. In 2024, in the red zone was leisure time, living standards, and mental health. So mental health has kind of bumped back up into the green zone. Physical health has dropped down in there, and local environmental quality has jumped down there. It's interesting. As we compare since 2024, most of these domains have actually increased a little bit. Again, we're seeing that kind of coming back to 2022 levels. And we only see a relative decline there for connection with nature, which we had noticed had dropped into that red zone. Community connection is another thing that we look at. How connected do people feel to Logan as a community? And we're kind of in the lower to middle range on community connection. Not uncommon for communities that have a bit more of a transient population, maybe less here, less time, but it is a little bit on the lower side. And it matters because we see a correlation between community connection and personal well-being, and community connection and mental health. And these are things that we've seen are important to our residents. We can look a little bit into the demographics. We have a lot more data than we have time to share with you. But here's what I kind of referred to earlier, that income does seem to be pretty strongly correlated with those income levels are correlated with those personal well-being ratings. We see it also in community well-being where there's a threshold there of about 75,000 where you see different blocks. And then the community connection also shows some correlation except for that lower group, which may actually be students. So the income level there, in a college town, we have to take that with a little bit of a grain of salt. Other demographics, we can see that those with disabilities do have lower well-being and they consider community well-being to be lower. Religion is something that is significant here as well with those from other religions considerably lower than those from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and those who consider themselves to be more agnostic or not have a particular religious preference. We have active folks in Logan and so they are walking and biking a great deal. We can see most of our respondents are walking and biking in town, but many of them are also recreating in parks or using trails, gardening, attending community events is actually quite high for compared to a lot of the other communities that we've looked at. You can also see city recreation programs there. We've got 43%. Well, this matters because as you look over there on the right, these are, most of these recreational items are correlated with our well-being and our community connection. So it really does pay off. The work that you put into and the money you put into trails and community events and rec programs and so forth, there looks to be a positive influence there, although we can't necessarily say that the chicken, you know, which just comes first, the chicken or the egg, but nevertheless, we see our relationship there. Just a couple more things. We do see people saying the population is growing very fast here. Interestingly enough, the growth rate is not actually that high. about 10% from 2010 to 2020, but there's a perception issue going on. That could be looking at a wider valley rather than just Logan City proper, but it may be a point of communication that can be clarified here that would help residents to understand. That has stayed really about the same since 2024. Economic development, we see much more of a split perspective. How do you feel about the pace of economic development? We have a lot of perspectives here across the board about this. And that, likewise, has not really changed since 2024. But we also ask, what aspects of the local economy would residents like to see changed? And we do see some, as we do look at those open comments, people would like to see more affordable housing. That was mentioned here tonight. Job opportunities with the living wage. and a balanced approach to growth preserving the small-town character of Logan. This year we asked a question about the cost of living on a few things. For those for whom childcare is relevant, And that's just about 31% of the respondents, childcare is difficult or very difficult to afford. So that really stands out as a project finding. But also healthcare and housing by nearly a half of the respondents overall, those folks are finding that difficult. And about a third finding food and utilities to be expensive. Logan's top concerns, this list has grown over the years we've done the survey. It's a variety of things from environmental issues to social and economic things. Top of the list for Logan is traffic, air quality, open space and green space, affordable housing, employment opportunities, and water supply. And I'm just trying to remind myself Some of those have really changed. You can see that employment opportunities have gone up as a concern, as has the Great Salt Lake, which is right underneath that top block. What do people value most about Logan? There are some who do value that sense of community and people looking out for each other, the small town feel, connectedness to nature, the location, and safety. what would improve well-being, public transportation, a pathway system for walking and biking, thoughtful development for all demographics, more community engagement and events and opportunities, community rec center, open space development. These quotes represent some of the stronger themes out of the open comments. And with that, I will just see if there are any questions. And thank you so much for your time. It's always such a pleasure to work with Logan City.

Thank you so much. Any questions?

Dr. Frank, how could we better, how could we get better participation?

I think one of the things that happened in 2024 was there was a lot of engagement with the neighborhood councils. And I think that I don't know if that happened as strongly this time. That gives you localized encouragement of folks all around the different neighborhoods of town. That might be one effort. It's important to diversify the approach. If you just rely on social media, not only will you not get as many, but you won't get as diverse of a set of respondents as you would if you could diversify. In the past, I know the city has used some email lists. I don't really know what you used this year, so I can't quite say for sure, but diversifying the ways to reach out to residents, we see that in other places that Bernal got almost 1,200 responses this year, and it really came from a diversified efforts. We know that paid off.

Who do you connect within the city that would begin to make those decisions?

So we worked with Teresa and then the rec department has been heavily involved over the years and we kind of leave it up to the city to decide who should take point on these things. So that's been our point person. We've worked with Mayor Danes for a number of years in the past.

And what time of year is it that we...

This was run in March. Okay. And if we can... find enough funding to keep the project going, which I'm hopeful, we would do this again in early 2028.

Okay. Thank you. Let's keep it on my calendar. We'll find some different ways to promote next time.

Sounds great. And if you have survey needs between now and then, we're right here. We're happy to work with you.

I'd like to see 1,000 to 1,200 participants instead of them. number that we got this year.

Thanks for your time. Thanks so much. Thank you, Dr. Clay. Thank you.

We also have a presentation from Tyson Godfrey of Light and Power, and I'm very excited about the topic that he's going to share with us tonight. Tyson?

Hello. Tyson Godfrey, Resource Manager for the Light and Power Department. We'll get the presentation up. So this is an update on our city's renewable energy goal. So I condensed about two hours worth of information into seven slides.

I feel like if anyone could do it though, you could.

Just forgive me if they're a little bit dense.

While we're waiting, Tyson, for the public, as a resource manager, what do you do for the city?

Yeah, so I'm responsible for making sure there's electricity on our power lines. So our power department has two divisions. One's the distribution, so the linemen, the guys that make sure that the transformers and power lines are actually working. And then on the resource side, I make sure that we have power either through power plants we own here in the city scheduled, or purchased through the market, or through our larger projects we participate in through our joint action agency, UAMS. Yeah, it's managing all of the power resources that feed the city.

Thank you. So we call you if the power goes out, is that the?

No. That's the other guys.

That's the other guy. We call him when we want to find more power. I know, I know. Yeah, I'm giving a hard time.

We call you and say thank you for being powerful. You call me if you're powerful expenses. Yeah. Okay. Good to know.

Okay.

We might need to work on your font size in the future though.

You can find full screen that might help.

You're good. You can always turn around.

It's your eye test for the night. It's your eye test for the night.

And you can still hear me if I'm talking at the computer?

Yeah.

You've got a mic right next to you. Oh, he's got one there. Okay.

Okay. So just a reminder for everyone, our renewable energy goal is 50% renewable energy by 2030. That was passed in Resolution 17-56 back in 2017. So there's an ask at the end of the presentation and it's to consider some options. So I'm not asking for any decisions tonight, but big things I want us to think about are if we should push UAMPs for a share in a geothermal power plant. We'll talk about why that needs to be a specific decision. It goes back to that resolution that was passed and there's a cost test in there that geothermal does not pass right now. But I think there's compelling reasons to consider it even though it does cost more. And then three smaller things that we just need some direction on how we want to approach them going forward in counting our renewable bill. So just a reminder of how Logan gets its power. UAMPS is our joint action agency. So there's about 50 other communities throughout Utah, Idaho, Nevada, a few in kind of the part of California right over the border from Reno. So we all share in larger projects. So Logan is about... just under 10% of the total load of UAMS members. So we're one of the larger members. And so we share those projects with them, co-owned power plants and power purchase agreements. About 12% of our power comes from resources that generate here locally. That's our hydro plants of the canyon and then our two natural gas generators here. And then this last year, we bought about a third of our power on the market. These are short-term power deals we make to buy power from Anywhere from single days to maybe four or five years in advance we'll buy some blocks of power on the market. And then for the city about 26% of the power feeds homes in the city, almost half is commercial businesses, another quarter is our large industrial customers, and then USU is about 5% of the total energy use in the city. And as we talk about our renewable goal, the resources that are generated in it, we'll talk a lot about megawatt hours. So just to keep everything in perspective, 5.8 megawatt hours is what an average home uses in a year. an individual project. So one of our upcoming projects will generate about 26,000 megawatt hours a year. So that gives you an idea of like a resource, how much it will generate. And then our total for everything is close to half a million megawatt hours.

Historically, have we always been around a third of the purchases on the market?

Yeah, we've been in that ballpark for most years. Because of market changes, the purchase are becoming more difficult so that percentage will likely go down in the future. It's been a good way for us to get power affordably but it's not looking that way in the future so a lot of the resources that we're going to be procuring in the future will replace this market purchases we've been doing. So we have six resources that fall in the renewable bucket and we have Hydro, solar, wind, and a little bit of waste heat generation. It's a resource that generates electricity from waste heat from a natural gas pipeline compressor. And you can see those resources there. These are the six we currently have. Where will be come January 1st? And there's a reason I'm saying January 1st that we don't need to get into a lot of the details today. But there is some nuance on renewable energy credits and how those are counted towards what the city can count. So UAVS has sold some of our renewable energy credits as part of those pooled projects for this year. So 2026, we can't count that full percentage, but starting in January, we've asked to retain those credits again. We used to get good money for selling them. We don't anymore. It's just not worth it. So come January 1st, we'll be able to officially count all those resources again. So that puts us right now at about 21% of our 50% goal. A few other little numbers here. One, if you added rooftop solar from residential and commercial buildings within the city, that would add almost 2% more. And then of that market power we buy on average, that would add about 15%. But because we don't own the renewable credits for that power, we really can't count those market purchases towards that percentage.

Is that rooftop solar on like... 100% of the homes and businesses here?

Yeah, we have a record of every solar system that's been installed in the city. And so that's taking that into, no, this is what's on the city right now. That's what's there now. This is what is installed on rooftops in the city today. Okay. Yep. So one thing to keep in mind with this percentage, Almost 10% of that 21% comes from our federal hydropower, which is primarily Glen Canyon Dam, Lake Powell. If you've heard, there's some issues going on down there. So that power generation is currently at risk. So if Glen Canyon Dam was to drop below power generation level, that full percentage of almost 10% would drop off our portfolio until... we got water again. So that is a real risk that's in those numbers. And then we have two new renewable projects on the way, Fremont Solar and then a wind project next year through UAMPS. Those will add about 10 percentage points when they come online. Can I ask a question real quick?

Yeah. That 9.7 megawatts from CRISPR, is all of that from Lake Powell or some of it from Flaming Gorge as well?

Some of it's from the other, but it's by far the majority of that. So there would still be a little bit from the other reservoirs on the Colorado River. But they're much smaller. Much smaller, yeah. Thank you. So just brief history of where we've been at. And it looks like we've been going backwards, but really we've been fighting an uphill battle. So when this goal was first enacted, we were about 30%. Today we sit at 21%. The main reason that has happened is because as we sell more power, your denominator gets bigger, so your percentage shrinks. So that's about 3% of the loss. Even though we are still getting power from Glen Canyon, from the Colorado River project, it's down a lot from where it was in 2017. So that's about 7% of the losses just from that. So even though we still have it now, it has been decreasing year over year. Also our local hydro, 2017 was a banner year for our hydro production locally. So that was kind of inflated that year. That's since gone down. And our waste heat unit was offline for most of the year, so that also took us down this year. There's questions on when or if that will start running more regularly. They just weren't running the natural gas pipeline, so there was no waste heat to generate off of. And then on the plus side, we added two solar projects, Red Mesa and Steel Solar, that added about 6%. So that's why we've seen that decrease. So you guys always ask for solutions. How do we get there? What's the bridge? So here's the options we have to look at on how you would close that gap in 2030. So option one, we could buy renewable credits to count our market purchase power. It's not very expensive. The downside is it doesn't really change anything. It's more of an accounting paperwork. It lets you count them on paper, but it doesn't actually change what our generation is. It lets us count someone else's generation towards our goal. So there's debate to be had on how valuable that is. But currently, credits that used to sell for seven plus dollars, now sell for a dollar because the market's more saturated. There's a lot of renewable projects out there and people that don't care about counting it towards their own goal, so they're willing to sell the credits. So that is one option.

That... Could that price go down in the foreseeable future?

Yeah, so California has limited how much of their requirements could be met with these renewable credits. they can only use like 10% of their portfolio as credits. And so it's really limited the value of it in California, which has been driving the price down. So there, yeah, it's expected to stay kind of around that dollar per credit, which one credit covers one megawatt hour for the foreseeable future. There's no one's expecting those to rebound or go back up in the future. So that's...

How long of a contract do you usually do for buy-in credits?

Yeah, you can do most contracts, you can do anywhere from one year by year up to like a 10-year period. And it is a legally defensible claim. If you own the credits, you can count it towards your own. But again, it's just a question of Does it actually change anything in the real world in the current market? And at those prices, it really doesn't change much. And you don't get any of the benefits of having electricity to support our residents or capacity in your price stability. We're not actually buying energy, you're just buying a claim. It's just a cost.

You're spending money to claim something. Yep.

Is that why California limited it? Yeah. Because it is essentially an accounting mechanism versus a marketing.

Yep. So next option. So right now rooftop solar in the city, the way that the resolution is worded doesn't count. But it is renewable energy generated within our community. So if we amended that resolution, we could start counting that two percentage points of local solar that's already installed. There's also a couple of city-owned solar installations we're looking at in the city. A public works building rooftop using that to house about a megawatt of solar. And then also a smaller installation out at the... the wastewater lagoons, the sewer ponds that could be made to float so that someday eventually if they do use it for storage for water it wouldn't matter because it would float whenever they filled it up and if not they're fine to sit there on dry ground. So we've had a developer approaches with an offer to do a PPA to develop that for us so it's something we're investigating right now. If you did both of those that would add about four or five percentage points And then we'll get more into option three on the next slide, but UAMPS has their resource plan out through 2040 now. So just looking at that, they have a lot of solar, battery, and a little bit of wind planned in the 2030s. So if we take all of our... we have an option to take up to 10, maybe a little bit more percent of each UAMPS project based off of our size. And so if we took all of that available through UAMPS, that does add solar but that doesn't really start happening until after 2030. And I'll show how that would affect us on the next slide. And then option four, the one that we would have to consider is there's several potential geothermal projects None of them are like official we can sign up today projects, but UAMS has been approached by developers. There's options out there. So it's something we could definitely pursue. One 10 to 15 megawatt share of geothermal would fill up the rest of the gap and get us to 50% renewable energy. Where it runs all the time, it adds up. Even a smaller megawatt amount when it runs all the time adds up to a lot of our percentage. So big impact there though is it is currently one of the more expensive resources we could get. And we'll go more into prices but on the final slide. But this is just looking forward where we're gonna be. So you can see 2027 as we add wind project or Fremont solar project that puts us to about 30% renewable by 2029. And so that's about 20% short of our goal. We could add that extra 4 or 5% from the local solar, which helps some. So as you go forward, you can see this teal bars in the middle. This is if we take our share of the UAMS projects that are in their pipeline already. Again, these are this far out. These are not real projects yet. This is just what UAMS resource plan says that they should target. So this is what is in their plan to go and find projects that match these types of generation. So you can see if we just took our share of the UAMS projects, 2036 is when you would hit 50%. through those existing projects.

Assuming you also hit the local solar.

Yeah, the local solar is that green, so that would bump us up a little bit earlier.

Oh, yeah, sorry.

Yeah, and then the orangish yellow bar is where it would put us if we added that share of a geothermal project. So you can see that adds a pretty significant chunk on top there. So I think, yeah, the big message here is solar, battery, a little bit of wind, it's going to happen. It's proven in UAM's resource model to be the most cost effective in combination with the two gas plants that we're already part of. The real question is, do we push for that extra geothermal project? And so the bottom line is that based off of current cost of building new gas facilities, it's gone up a lot, but it's still a little bit under where geothermal's at. So on an average home spill would add anywhere from just under a dollar to maybe a little bit more than $3 a month on an average home spill in a month. How much again? We'll say, yeah, 70 cents a month to $3.20 a month was the range that I came up with. And I think that's the fair comparison. It's a little bit more than what we're paying today but that's not going to be an option in the future to keep what we've been doing. So we're going to have to build new resources and the alternative is if we don't have geothermal is more gas. Those are the only two dispatchable firm resources that we can get right now. But it's not without risk. Any of these projects still have developmental risks, so we could sign up for a project and it could end up having transmission issues and get canceled just because we sign up and say, yes, we want the power, we're willing to pay for it, doesn't guarantee that it's going to go through. some real options that are coming out right now. It's just more expensive.

Are most of those options also in that Beeler County area?

Yeah, a lot of them are in Utah, some in Nevada. Most of the new geothermal projects that are at the point where they're starting to solicit power purchase agreements are in either the Utah or Nevada area.

The one that you're evaluating right now?

They have a couple they're evaluating right now. What's that? They have a couple different options they're evaluating right now. Okay. The question for us is, do we want to push them for it? Because it's not part of their IRP right now. to go and get it. They've had people solicit them and say, hey, we have this project coming online. Are you guys interested in joining?

Geothermal developers have come to UM's and said are you, okay.

Yeah. And that happens all the time with every kind of resource. But if we don't push for it, it likely wouldn't happen.

And would it come online by 2030?

Most of them are claiming that they'll come on 2030, 2031. So right in that ballpark. And what kind of output are they projecting on the? So we would be buying just a small, share of a larger project. I mean these projects that they're doing right now are anywhere from 50 megawatt projects to 400 megawatt projects and we would be looking for 10 to 15 of that and then potentially join with other UAMS members. So there are some other members that are interested but Yeah, the real question is do we want to push for that because cost metrics it is coming in at more expensive than some of the alternatives right now. The benefits to it is that once you have it, it provides a lot of price stability because it doesn't depend on gas prices. So even though right now for the foreseeable future with gas prices, gas looks cheaper, we know that can change quickly.

Per megawatt, do we know about how much could be for the geothermal?

Geothermal's power purchase agreements are in the neighborhood of $100 to $105 per megawatt hour. New gas projects, depending on your assumptions and where you build it, anywhere from $75 to $90 is where those are at right now.

Is that where Power County's falling is roughly in that range? Yeah. So this additional $70 to $320? is on top of what we're assuming for something like Power County. Yep.

I recall when, looking at some of this before, for our percentage of what we generate ourselves, which is, what was it, maybe 15%? 15%. That there is an interest in, is there an interest for us to produce our own, to increase that? Now, because we're really, it sounds like we're focused more on UAMPs and potential for whether we want to pursue geothermal. I realize there's upfront cost investments to doing anything like that, and I realize timeline-wise that's a challenge where we're for geothermal. four years from it and we're 9% lower than we were in 2017 when we started this to kind of get to a big push. So, but I still think it's worth hearing your comments on in terms of the possibilities. I remember battery in particular being the conversation that was happening. So is that still on the table?

Regardless of what happens with these resources, part of UM's plan is to significantly increase our battery storage on our system to meet our capacity needs. the main purpose of the battery is to shift our energy generation or usage to the right time of the day. So it matches up our solar or even excess capacity on gas plants to use during our peak hours. And so that's going to be regardless of which path we choose or which resource we decide to push on or take, batteries are going to be part of that. And so that would be the next thing that we would pursue locally instead of additional natural gas generation locally would probably be a battery storage project. It doesn't generate its own energy, it just shifts energy, so it doesn't change our percentages, but yes, that will be a big part of allowing us to use all of the solar projects coming through UAMS and to use our gas generators more efficiently as having some local battery storage at our substations to take on some of that load. And then the five megawatts of local solar, the reason that we put it at that five megawatts is that is the amount that we can do easily behind the meter. If we do more than five megawatts, we have to get Rocky Mountain Power Pacific Corp involved because it's considered a large generator and it just becomes a lot more complicated to do a project larger than that. So to start with, that's why we picked that 5 megawatt number for local solar is it's... Is that rooftop? No, like doing it like the sewer pods or on the public works building.

How much could we hypothetically fit on the public works building? You guys have started looking into that.

It's like 1.2 megawatts.

So we'd need four public works buildings.

You might have already answered the question I'm going to ask, but from the 30... one third roughly that we purchase on the market, how much would that have to go up in price in order to see similar increases to doing geothermal?

Power prices this year and last year have been abnormally low. But if you go back to 2022, 2023, market purchases during those years were well above where geothermal is at. So I think averages those years were 2020 was like $90 a megawatt hour is the average purchase price for market power. 2022 was over, it was like $120 was the average price. This year, the average price for market power was $60. So it was significantly cheaper this year. And that's primarily driven because gas prices have been very cheap this year. So the market... Natural gas prices.

Not vehicle gas.

Yes, natural gas prices have been very cheap this year. And the market power prices tend to very closely follow natural gas prices.

And that's because it's been warmer than usual?

Yep, that was a big part of it, is it was warmer, so there was a lot less demand on natural gas this winter. Also, we've been insulated here in the West because... They don't have any export capacity to the liquified natural gas markets. So any gas produced here in the West has to stay and be used here in the West. They're building pipelines so that they can shift some of that to export. So that will tend to drive our prices up. Data centers are all clamoring for natural gas capacity which can drive prices up. So there are a lot of upward forces into the future on those prices, but right now they're cheap.

But geothermal is constant?

Yep, once you sign that PPA you are locked into that price for the full life. Because there's no fuel cost.

So Tyson, could I just ask a couple of questions? One is, How does battery storage affect our transmission capability? Does it extend it? Does it enhance it? That's one question. The other question is what would you consider to be our next steps with respect to this? I know we're dealing with a long-ago resolution saying we want it to be to X in 2030. And if we still believe that to be possible, how do we respond to the questions that you're asking?

So, yes, battery storage helps on the transmission side. and also on our local distribution side potentially. So when you have batteries at substations you can shift load around to different points and the real idea is you can instead of having these big peaks you can kind of flatten out that peak. And so there's a lot of nuance in how we utilize the battery but potentially just on transmission savings, we can pay for most of the battery cost.

Is there a point at which, I'm sorry that's another question, but is there a point at which Rocky Mountain gets involved and says, wait a minute, you're taking away our transmission revenue with your batteries?

No. If everyone on their system was doing that, they do have a fixed cost that they divide out amongst everyone. The way they charge transmission is they want you to reduce your peak usage to reduce the strain on the system. They incentivize us with their rates to do that.

Is the transmission contractual as in 20 years at this rate?

Yeah, it's a long-term transmission service agreement held through UAMs for all UAMs.

But there's time of use rates on it still, essentially.

Yeah, basically we're charged based off of the peak usage of the system in the month. So the more we can flatten that out, the better we do on our transmission charges.

So now how do we move forward?

So I'll skip to this one chart and get back up. You didn't send us that one. Oh you did.

It is in there.

So this is the historical price of natural gas since 1997. That orangish bar in the middle is where geothermal breaks even with gas generation. So you can see that there was a lot of years where gas prices were very high and geothermal would have easily broken even at current available prices. Back then geothermal wasn't available at those prices. But where it is today, you can see where we're at right now. Gas prices are historically low and have been for the past almost decade. So to me that says that while it's a great generating resource for stability, providing capacity, being able to respond quickly when we have ups and downs, having some amount in our resources to help us hedge against gas prices is potentially worth that extra expense. So, yeah.

You're saying geothermal is worth having?

Yeah, the premium price you pay for geothermal

It gives you stability.

Yeah. I mean we pay extra all the time on gas contracts to lock in prices to protect us from these swings. And you can almost think of it as a similar thing that we're paying a price premium to give us some stability in our prices. For a much longer period. For a much longer period of time, for potentially 20 to 30 years locking in that price. And just from what we've seen, what seems expensive today, if you fast forward 10 years, doesn't seem like it's that expensive anymore, just because everything else keeps going up. So I think it's prudent to push and investigate on it, but the decision is ultimately going to be council's because where the price right now is higher, it's something that we can't pursue in the power department without direction from city council.

I know this is separate, but I just need to be reminded because I know there's reasons behind it. The cap that we have on rooftop solar capacity currently, I know is lower than that of the county or outside of Logan. And can you tell us why that is or if there's, I'm just thinking of opportunity here or if there is.

Yeah, so that's more based off of our local distribution infrastructure. and on average what it can handle. I think we're getting some tools where we could probably be more specific on each installation on what that can handle but that's where that average comes from is when you look at the meters and power lines feeding homes and things like that on how much those can handle having the back feed come in.

Well plus two, didn't we limit it because Solar, sometimes we don't, we can't use it or we can't store it, so we can't, it was more coming into the system at times than we could use. And Rocky Mountain Power has a much wider distribution system and a much wider reach than our city. Am I correct or did I misunderstand that?

Yeah, it's... When you talk about specific neighborhoods and transformers, if you have multiple homes that have solar that are back feeding into the system, that's where the real limits are. Honestly, when that limit was set, I don't think we had great engineering data on exactly where that was. So that was their best estimate at the time. So we can definitely look at that. Especially what battery... Batteries help that. And we're also looking at seeing if we can incentivize home batteries to help take care of some of that issue as well. That's something Rocky Mountain Power does where they provide an incentive to their customers to install a battery that helps support the local grid. So yeah, those are all things that we can look at, levers that we can pull here locally. And yeah, when you incorporate the battery, it definitely... ups the ceiling of how much solar you can have on the system. So even where we're at right now, just with the resources and flexibility we currently have, we can add about 20 megawatts of solar to our system before we start running into issues overall. But again, when you get down to specific neighborhoods and houses, that's where it gets more restrictive is what can that local infrastructure handle.

and just to be i know this isn't helping our megawatt total or portfolio but just while we're discussing battery um and you said the savings from the transmission cost will effectively pay for the battery cost so are we is that where are we with

So UAMPS is putting a project together right now to do battery storage at member cities locations. So the idea is they would, you know, do a large bulk purchase of batteries and then Logan could say we want 10 megawatts of that and they would come install it at our substation. That way we could get some economies of scale and efficiencies combining our purchases with other members. That's in the works right now. They have that on their timeline to do that like next year and the year after. So that's moving quickly and I would be surprised if we didn't bring you back a power sales contract of some sort from them to do that here in the next year.

Bottom line from Tyson's presentation is we've got a ways to go to get to our goal 50%, but it is reachable. It's like, it's right there in our grasp. We just have to decide how we want to, which direction we want to go because yeah, the geothermal is a little bit more expensive, but over the next 20 years, it might be one of our least expensive opportunities. So are you willing to spend a little bit more right now? to hedge against prices going up in the next two years, five years, 10 years, 20 years, because we'll lock in that contract for 20 years and that will be our price. And so you've got some options. We could hit 50% by 2030.

And a year ago we were scrambling for any possible renewable option. Yeah. We had many, many fun meetings about it.

And there weren't options a year ago. The opportunities have changed because of the market. And so now we have some options. And so we can bring you as many options as you'd like, but our goal is reachable. So we can hit that 2030 goal or real close to it.

If not 2030...

So direction you need tonight from us.

So... My biggest thing is I don't want to go push you amps to get us a project if I'm going to bring it back and you guys are going to say, no thanks, that's too expensive.

And obviously we can't make a decision. Do you want each of us to comment on our thoughts?

What do you want from the council? I think that maybe we can work on a future meeting, maybe a memo that could be signed by mayor or council or whoever to send to you absent that we would like their best effort.

Personally, Teresa, you can correct me. I think it should be a resolution from the city council that is agreed to by most or all of us.

At least the majority.

To that end. I think that, you know, in some ways, It would be nice to say we could go further than 50 if we could, you know, or create a new target for a little bit further out.

I think the existing renewable resolution definitely needs some updating.

But I think a resolution would be appropriate and it gives us the opportunity to say we want to push for X megawatts or you might give us a target and

we can decide whether we want to go beyond the target or if it's too high. I mean even right now if you did the geothermal and we signed up for the UAPS project in the pipeline, that puts you up to 70% by 2040. Yeah. And also just Just one last piece of context when we're looking at these percentages and you hear about other cities that have 100% renewable target. They're buying credits. They're buying credits. We're doing it the much harder way by actually using and generating the power.

By actually creating renewable, by using renewable energy.

Correct me if I'm wrong, from my research there are no cities in the Western U.S. that are 100% renewable without buying credits. Correct. Yeah, like you can get close but you can't get all the way there without an accounting change.

Spreadsheet?

A slide of accounting.

Does that give you enough direction, Tyson?

Yeah, so I think we'll work on a resolution to bring back a recommendation and have council approve that and then that would give us the direction we need to start working with UAMPS on more specifics. We just get your back.

Yep.

Well, you look at the numbers to be presented and it's like, oh, we're not close or we went behind. But really, it's very encouraging. It's very encouraging. And we have gone behind.

Yeah.

But for obvious reasons, yeah.

But with a chance to make a big step forward.

It's not that we've lost any of our renewables. It's just we're buying more and we have had to decrease what we're taking because of water use.

And I will say on the flip side, raising power rates 5% for this is not going – like if that's what happened, I'm always the kid that sits up here and whines about the price of everything. Yeah. I mean, it's not like it's an easy decision, but I do think it's something that's worth, my opinion, is worth pursuing at this point.

And your difference is we already know because of cost pressures in the market, we're probably going to have to raise power costs 2% per year for the next four years. So if you did this, you'd have to raise it 3% per year. Right. So I don't want to minimize the impact, but it is.

Right. But it is still an impact. And for a lot of our residents, I mean, that is, Josh got up and commented, I was looking at the Kempsey Gardner report. report on housing affordability and Logan's 93.7% of our residents can't afford, renters can't afford a median home. And so I think, yes, it is a small impact, but it is not a small impact to some people and we need to be very cognizant of that. 93% of our entire residents? 93.7% of our renters in Logan cannot afford a median house in Logan. I'm just quoting Kenzie Gardner. You can argue the numbers.

Wasn't it in the state? Statistics.

Statistics.

I'm just quoting the numbers. But wasn't it in the state?

No, that was for Cache County. That was the Cache County specific numbers. So I guess not Logan, but Cache County. So Tyson, let's put a resolution together and bring it back together. And I support that. We need to be aware of that cost.

Thank you.

Thanks, Tyson.

Mayor, did you plan that long for us to ask questions? Any other? I kind of expected it.

Did you notice that Jeannie looked at Teresa instead of at me about the resolutions?

I noticed that she looked at Teresa instead of at Mo. I was like, where's Craig? What are we doing without Craig?

I know who knows all the rules. She knows all the rules.

I was not offended in the slides. Train the next one well.

We'll have to point that out. It'll be a train wreck. Anything else from Mayor and staff reports? No, that is it. Thank you. Planning Commission update?

Councilwoman Simmons? Planning Commission did not meet, so I have no update.

I love those kind of updates. Um... Can we keep council announcements short? Anything from the council that they feel is pertinent to the public knows or the council? And while any of you are preparing your notes, I'll just make the announcement that's on here, which is really my only major announcement, is that we do have another data center open house meeting scheduled for October 5th. At 6 p.m., that will be in the conference room across the lobby, not in here. It will be a similar format to the last one. We are very close to having code drafted based on the input from the last meeting, and you'll have a chance to see that code, read the code, talk about the code. We will release it, I believe, before the meeting, so you have time to review it and come and comment. Share your thoughts on data center possible developments in Logan. And again, there's nothing proposed now. This is just our framework for what we would and would not allow.

So my council announcement.

That's my only council announcement. Jeannie. That was short.

One of the other hats that I wear is that I am a member of the Cache Water District Board and one of the things that the Water District does is work a lot with the tributaries and the Bear River. And the Bear River Commission is a federal agency, federal commission, because the Bear River, if you don't know, is 500 miles long and begins and ends 90 miles apart in Utah. And it goes through three states five times. So in that 500 miles.

Sometimes I have thoughts that feel like that.

So we had the opportunity to go on tours and I was really excited this year because when I went on my first tour it was the second piece and so I got to see the headwaters of the Bear River. in the high Uintas and learn about how the creeks that came together and formed the river and how that river provides drinking water for the city of Evanston and irrigation for thousands and thousands of acres of land in three states. So anyway, that's it.

Cool tour.

It was very cool.

Anything else from the council?

I did not attend Ernesto. I think he did the public art, the new mural.

I went to the opening kind of social, and it was great to meet the artist. If he hasn't, he will be signing the mural soon, and it looks awesome.

He went to school at Utah State?

Yeah, Chuck Landbetter is the...

artist and it's the piece that's on the side of the Lucky Slice.

It was a great event. We had good turnout. Yeah, it looks great. Yeah, quite a few people there. It's nice.

I just wanted to mention it was great to tour the compost and garden facility that will be developed next to the water treatment plant. I think it'll People will be happy to start using that when it's ready.

Nice new community gardens and a community orchard as well, too. So, yeah, it'll be cool.

I don't have anything. Anything else? Okay.

We will move on to action items. And our first one has Aaron Smith, Ordinance 2616. I'm going to try to pronounce the rezone name. I'm going to try and recall. Right here. How are you, Aaron? I'm well. Thank you for waiting for us for an hour. It's all right.

All right, let me pull up a slideshow here real quick. I'm Aaron Smith. Thank you, council. We workshopped this a couple of weeks ago. This is the Rykoff rezone. This is the rezone request of a small parcel on 700 South. So we're just South of the Riverwoods on 80 East. It's a 0.17 acre undeveloped parcel. It was part of an old single family subdivision. This parcel's never developed. It's sat there since that subdivision in 1994. Just to quickly reorient you here, this is on our future land use plan, we've designated this area as mixed use. The request, and it's currently zoned neighborhood residential six. The request is to rezone it to community commercial. That would allow for lower intensity commercial uses. It's capped, has a maximum of what it can, 10,000 square feet. does permit some density, 12 units per acre. But staff finds that this meets our intent of the future land use plan of allowing mixed use in this area. This is a zone that's intended to be kind of adjacent to residential and then these transitional areas. So we thought staff was recommending approval on this. The Planning Commission discussed it and forwarded a recommendation of approval as well. I'm happy to fill in any other information.

Erin, was there any consideration of the X to Y scenarios with this?

Yes. Yeah. We looked at where those are currently at in their draft form. It wouldn't impact this property.

It would not?

It would not. Okay. That's all I was concerned about. It's a little further to the south.

Yeah. That's all I was concerned about.

I would hate somebody to build something that... And if I remember correctly, the owner's familiar with that plan. Yes.

Correct.

Other questions for Erin before we open our public hearing to hear from... Those in attendance, if they would like to.

No?

Okay. This is a public hearing, so if you would be interested in commenting on ordinance 26-16, this is your chance to come to the microphone. Please state your name, city of residence, and take three minutes or less.

Good evening. My name is Nicholas Rykoff. It is a pleasure to be here with the council. Thank you so much for your time. Since I haven't had the chance to mention it, I'll state it once, but working with the City of Logan is excellent. You have robust development standards, a comprehensive general plan, and world-class development staff, so thank you so much. Thank you. I 100% agree with the staff report. I just had a couple points that I found compelling in the general plan. I'd just like to speak to those briefly. This project is infill development, but the city recognizes that infill development is a more efficient use of land. It helps maintain community character and reduces pressure to expand into potential annexation areas. Of course, we love the beautiful Hasporo Valley, and this allows us not to need to annex farmland for development purposes. So we've heard a few points on housing affordability. But in the general plan, given Utah's housing shortage and rising home prices, Logan should prioritize infill housing where appropriate. Housing types such as ADUs, duplexes, triplexes, cottage courts can expand housing choices within existing neighborhoods. And the intent of the project here is a twin home. The density of 12 units per acre, And then the last point from the general plan, following the future land use plans guidance, higher density options such as multifamily residences and mixed-use developments should be encouraged in locations near Utah State University, downtown Logan, and as is relevant here, along major corridors including US 89 to 91. So I believe the site location matches the intent. The density allows us to increase the housing stock for the city and try to reduce the housing affordability problem. This re-zones a direct implementation of the future land use plan. It clearly advances the city's stated objectives and there's two I'd like to speak to. create diverse and affordable housing options that meet the needs of residents at all income levels and stages of life. And integrate commercial centers and mixed-use development with local markets, shops, services, and amenities at appropriate scales, close to where people live. And I love that scale point, community commercial is the transitional zone it's perfectly suited for the adjacent commercial use to transition to the existing residential neighborhood and yeah thank you so much excellent staff report i'm here to answer any questions thank you we'll see if there's any other comments and then we'll thank you

Seeing no other comments, I'll close the public hearing.

I'm sorry.

You're good. And bring it back to the council for further discussion. Melissa.

I just had a question just to clarify. Community commercial, we're doing that instead of commercial because of the size of the lot?

Or are we doing community commercial just because of... Community commercial has been requested instead of like a mixed use zone because of the size of the lot specifically. There's minimum... requirements for commercial square footage with a mixed use zone or in a community commercial there's a maximum square foot commercial so it's really intended for lower intensity commercial use so it can have no commercial It could potentially.

It could. Why would you call it community commercial? Why do we call it community commercial?

Because it has a more liberal use chart than like an MR-12 or something like that. So you can have offices, standalone offices in small commercial.

But you don't have to?

No.

You can have just residential.

You could.

Okay. That's strange. That is a little unclear in the language.

I understood that community commercial had to have a minimum commercial.

There's no minimum stated in the development standard.

Okay.

Other questions for Aaron or for the proponent? If you want to ask him, I can ask him back up.

I feel it is compatible with what's going on surrounding that specific parcel. So I would move we approve ordinance 26-16. Second.

We have a motion and a second. Are there any further considerations or comments before we call the vote? Seeing none, all in favor of Ordinance 2016, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Ordinance 2016 passes.

Erin, I think we need to have a minimum commercial and community commercial, otherwise we call it something else.

Great point.

So let's work on that.

I would likely agree with that.

Wordsmithing.

But it matters.

It does matter, yeah.

It matters a lot, in my opinion.

Nope, I would agree with you. Thank you, Erin. Amanda, Resolution 2631. How are you? Good.

Okay, this is the Community Development Block Grants Consolidated Annual Performance and Evaluation Report, or CAPER for short, for project year 2025, which ran from July 1st, 2025 through June 30th of 2026. And the CAPER reviews the progress of the 2025 annual action plan and the five-year consolidated plan. The main objectives of the con plan and annual action plan are to invest 60% towards providing a suitable living environment and that's 50% to infrastructure projects and 10% towards the remediation of access and mobility barriers, 20% towards community assistance and that's 10% to public facility improvements and 10% towards public service activities. and then 20% towards CDBG administration and planning projects.

So, just to be clear, because we talked about this in the workshop, the 10% access and mobility barrier remediation is in addition to any access that is incorporated into the infrastructure piece. Correct? So it's not just 10%.

It can be a lot more than that. There's some access mobility. There's a lot of ADA ramp projects that are classified as infrastructure. There were seven projects completed during project year 25, benefiting approximately 14,000 Logan residents and spending approximately $404,000 of CDBG funding and $186,000 of CDBG-CV or COVID funding. The 600 South Main sidewalk projects spent approximately $27,000 Thousand in CDBG funding to install 275 feet of a new 10-foot wide multi-use sidewalk along the south side of 600 South. It connects the West Side Trail and the new pedestrian underpass beneath Main Street. And this project improves pedestrian and bicycle safety, accessibility, and connectivity for residents. The 100 North, 500 East sidewalk project spent approximately $198,000 in CDBG funding to install 2,000 feet of sidewalk, curb and gutter, park strip, ADA ramps, and street trees along the north side of 100 North between 500 and 800 East. The Spring Creek Trail Project spent approximately $186,000 in CDBG-CV or COVID funding to install approximately 2,500 feet of a 10-foot wide multi-use trail connecting the Trapper Park Trail southbound to the new Spring Creek Bridge, improving pedestrian and bicycle connectivity, accessibility, and recreational opportunities. Here's some pictures of the trail. The Willow Park Sports Complex mural project spent approximately $27,000 to install a public mural on the softball building at the Willow Park Sports Complex. The project enhances the appearance of a highly used park, strengthens community identity, and contributes to neighborhood revitalization. The Sunshine Terrace spent $16,000 to purchase and install two new commercial-grade ice machines that provide ice for resident hydration, dietary needs, and patient care, benefiting the 72 full-time residents at the facility. And the Senior Center spent $25,000 to help purchase food to provide nutritious meals to older adults in the community. And then the nutrition program improves food security, supports health and well-being of the 186 participating Logan seniors. And then the admin and planning, there was a total of 111,000 approximately spent on admin and planning expenses, 105 towards the administration of the CDBG program, and approximately 6,000 on a homelessness feasibility study completed by the William A. Bernard Warming Center.

That's all. Thank you.

Questions for Amanda before we take a public comment on this? Thank you, Amanda.

Thank you.

Okay, this is a public hearing. If anyone in the audience would like to comment on resolution 26-31, you're welcome to come to the microphone, state your name, city of residence, and please take three minutes or less. Seeing no one, we'll close the public hearing and bring it back to the council for action.

I move we approve resolution 26-31. Do we have a second?

We have a motion and a second. Any further considerations or comments? All in favor of resolution 26-31, please say aye.

Aye.

Any opposed? Resolution 26-31 passes. Thank you, Amanda. Appreciate it. Our next is a public hearing with Mr. Kirk Jensen. And this is not an action item, just a public hearing.

Okay, thank you. Yes, public hearing for purposes of potential leasing of city property. So I've thrown up on the screen where that property is located. It's approximately 2300 South Highway 8991 on the southwest part of Logan as you're leaving town headed toward Sardine Canyons. Parcel size, you can see it outlined in red, is about 3.42 acres the north border is 2200 south where we've got that neighborhood at the top of the image and then of course at the bottom uh kind of l shapes and fronts highway 8991 so this is undeveloped undeveloped ground The use that we would lease the ground for would be grazing, harvesting pasture, could be gardening, recreation. So we were approached by a potential, someone interested in leasing the property. So we discussed it internally, felt like it made sense. We've just got dormant grounds. Why not put it to use, an appropriate use? No development, no structures would be allowed here. And if it were used for grazing, whoever won the bid, because we'd put it out to request for bids, they'd have to install appropriate fencing and those kind of things. We'd be looking at probably a five-year lease which could be terminated. Let's just suppose that there was some road improvements that needed to be built and I think that was the reason we acquired this. We've had this parcel for about 20 years. There's nothing imminent in the way of UDOT doing any kind of road improvements nor the city. So again, it's just, you know, if we've got that land, it's sitting idle and we've got some interest, why not put it to good use? So our intent would be to send that out as a request for bid, as I said, and see what comes in. So that's it.

So did somebody come to you and ask to do this?

Yes, that's where it started. We've got a list of about 45 people that anytime Logan City has some pasture land that it's willing to lease and for which we would issue a request for bid. We've got that distribution list. So we'll send it to, at this point, about 47 people. But due to noticing both on the property itself and city website, etc. If we get more interest, we'll send that out to as many people as have interest.

Are we seeing this because of the size of the property? Because I don't remember ever having seen a lease thing before.

You've never, what, seen a lease?

I don't think I've ever had a lease come to us before. Yes.

We've had about a handful of leases. You're seeing it because of the size of the property and also because of the change in the state law, right?

Okay. There has to be a public hearing for it. We've never done that before. Okay, thank you.

I think we've got a handful that we've... No, we haven't come here though.

Maybe the RDA?

Ernesto? Well...

If it's for grazing, who would be liable in case there's an incident?

We're held harmless. So we require whoever is the lessee to enter into an agreement with the city and they would assume all liability.

All liability. And again, you said they're in charge of building fencing and...

If they use it for grazing. You know, they just harvest your pasture and there's no animals there. No fencing would be required.

Can they plant like, could they do an orchard?

Because that's more permanent. That'd be like a leasehold improvement. So if they cancel the lease, it would become ours. Yeah, it's just more risk for them.

Yeah. Okay.

I don't believe that's their intentions.

In five years, I don't think you'd get much free. No. No.

It depends on what you grow. It depends on what you grow.

All right.

Okay. Is the council okay if I open the public hearing?

Yep.

Okay. This is a public hearing. If you would like to comment on the proposed lease of real property, the tax ID is on you. I'm not going to read it. You're welcome to come to the microphone, state your name, city residence, and please take three minutes or less. And that's why I didn't read out the whole tax ID number. Seeing no one. I know. Seeing no one, we will close the public hearing. There's no action by the council. If there are no further questions, I will let Kirk have out his evening.

Thanks for the input. Thank you, Kirk. You're welcome. Appreciate the information. You bet.

Our last action item is resolution 26-32 with Mr. Rich Anderson.

Two grants to consider. First is a grant for 10,786 from the state community enhancement fund for furniture at the library. Second is a request for appropriate 2,377 from the state for EMS training. So nine or more on personnel training. Big ones.

Huge. Question for Rich before I open public hearing.

Can we just clarify his furniture at the library? What type of furniture it is?

Michael, would you mind?

I have him off the record, but I figured we should put it on the record.

Does it feel like a slip and slide down the stairs?

Water slide has not been suggested. Well, not water.

That's .

We are looking to add some furniture to the south end of the second floor, some additional seating, one bench style kind of booth with a table. It's a very popular area for people to sit. We usually fill that furniture. We are also looking to add a automatic door button to the teen area, which does not have one currently. and install a couple of more permanent steps for kids under the sinks in the community restrooms, family restrooms.

Thank you.

Good question, Melissa. Thank you, Michael. Yep.

This is a public hearing. Anyone who would like to comment on resolution 26-32 is welcome to come to the microphone, state your name, city of residence, and please take three minutes or less. I love every time I open up this public hearing, it's like six people just smile at me and shake their head like, don't look at me. Great use of funds. It is a good use of funds, yeah. Okay, I will close our public hearing and bring it back to the council for action.

I move we approve resolution 26-32. I'll second.

Is there any further comment or discussion before I call a vote? no okay uh all in favor of approving resolution 26-32 please say aye aye aye any opposed resolution 26-32 passes go buy those tables and step stools That is the end of our public hearings and action items for the evening. We have a couple workshop items. First one is with Rich Anderson again. Some more budget adjustments. Rich?

Two more grants. Both state grants. The first is a request to appropriate $85,000 from the state task force. This is for reducing, preventing drug usage. The second grant is $6,541 for an interlibrary loan program. Both these grants we've received in the past, approximately the same amount. It's library has decreased a little bit over time. We're glad it's there.

Questions for Rich? Thank you, Rich. We will see you back in two weeks for those budget adjustments. Ordinance 26-17 with Aaron Smith again. Another rezone. I bet. It's like Rich always does rezones and you always, I mean, Rich always does budget adjustments and you do rezones. Making these like name tags.

Rezone man. Amy had all the rezones like three in a row. Now it's Aaron's turn. We're kind of rotating. Okay. Thank you, Chair. Council, let me pull up the remainder of my slides. All right, this is the Elevate West Rezone out on 200 South and 12th West area. You may know this is the Westfield subdivision. It's just east of our landfill and new park area. It's approximately five acres. There's ten lots out there that are part of this request. They encompass five acres. Surrounding land uses, commercial uses to the east and kind of north. Residences, a single family neighborhood to the south. Then to the west is the public area, landfill and future park. There's quite a zone of land use history out here. I just want to walk through that real quick. So this was originally part of the Westfield subdivision phase two back in 2015. This was subdivided and that's when a lot of, that's when 30 South, 12 West was developed, that subdivision. It was, it came through for a design review permit back in 2019 for some more flexible warehousing. However, in 2020, it was rezoned from commercial services to commercial to allow for in those warehouses that I was discussing to have some live work units in them. And so that rezone was approved. So it's currently zoned commercial. We recently had another project approved just on the eastern edge of this rezone request for a it's called elevated on 12th it is a short-term rental on bottom uh residence on top so there's been been some changes here over the last few years some new projects that have come through those live work ones that the new residences uh so the request is to go from commercial to mr20 mixed residential 20 has 20 units to the acre it's a residential zone The MR20 zone is intended to be kind of near employment areas, provide a mix of housing types, but it has very limited commercial offerings. So it's 20 units to the acre. The future land use plan, however, still calls this entire area commercial. And that was adopted as you know in 2026 this year. Commercial allows housing at 30 units to the acre, but it has to be above ground floor commercial uses. So Staff has looked at this. Staff's recommendation was for denial based primarily on the future land use plan, not aligning with the future land use plan. So on this slide, I kind of detailed those findings for now, but also there's a lot of potential arguments made for approval of this reason. So I just want to kind of go through those a little bit. So the future land use plan stands out the most. The MR20 is not a commercial site. It doesn't have commercial uses. It is going to be residential if we resolve that. There is other areas already in the area with permitted higher density. We have a mixed use area further east. I'll show you a map of that. And then there are compatibility issues with rezoning the MR-20. This is going to bring standalone residential right around a manufacturing and warehousing facility. There's more commercial services type uses further east in the Westfield subdivision. And then this is just on the edge of the Woodruff plan. And the Woodruff plan, we call it for single family residential west of 10th West. And so this would be multifamily. There's also arguments made for approval. We've recently approved other projects with residential components directly adjacent to this. I mentioned the live work type of units with ground floor warehousing, second floor residences. Then the Elevate on 12th has ground floor, hotel, motel, second floor residences. So there are residences, multifamily residences directly adjacent as well. This could be considered a down zone when discussing density. So commercial permits residences at 30 units to the acre. This zone is only 20 units to the acre. It also involves more flexibility in the structure types. In commercial, you're really only going to get one structure type. That's apartments over commercial. This would allow for townhomes and other residential types other than that. The project is also directly adjacent to a developing regional park. It's good to place residential dwellings near parks. I mean, that just goes hand in hand. And then there is also potential for less conflict with the single-family residences to sell. Townhomes adjacent to single-family residences are more compatible than everything else that may be in the commercial use chart. You could have a big box store. You could have something that generates a lot of trips, a lot of traffic from that commercial use chart that's currently permitted. And there is also a higher requirement for open space in the MR20 zone than in the commercial zone. So those are some findings for both. I've mapped a few of these out here just so if we're visual learners we can kind of grasp these. So in the middle of the development, this is where we have those land use conflicts with existing uses. Here is where we've permitted developments with residential uses. There's other existing commercial uses east. The mixed-use area is across 10th West. We have some apartments coming in, the Logan Station project. And then to the south, obviously, a single-family residential development. And then to the west is Future Park. So I just want to highlight those on the map for discussion. And with that, I'm happy to answer questions. The city, excuse me, you're the city council. Planning Commission voted 4-2 to recommend approval We have subsequently received one public comment and I will highlight that public comment came in because this is in for a design review permit and subdivision permit for a townhome community. That's highlighted here and shown. So the proposal from the proponent as requesting the rezone is for a townhome community. It's 100 townhomes. The comment was from the owner of Infinite Disc who is the warehouse manufacturing use and kind of smack dab in the middle there. And I provided that. His concerns were primarily that adjacency of standalone residential right next to commercial warehousing project. Kind of like manufacturing.

It is kind of manufacturing.

Yeah. I mean, yeah. And he mentions they run noise and produce. And that's why that's one of the conflicts with zoning. I will highlight, we do have other areas of town where we have mixed use adjacent to commercial services. This is, I'm not saying that these are the best examples of it working well, but these are examples. In Logan City, where these land uses abut, is all that I'm highlighting. 14th North, 4th West, some of these are more recent, 7th North, 6th West corridor, these projects were abutting commercial services to higher density residential. They have great developments. Yeah, I'm happy to answer any questions.

So there was a good deal of rather spirited discussion with respect to this at Planning Commission.

There was.

Do you have any sense of, I mean I sort of have a sense, but do you have any reason why there were two names?

Yeah, and I discussed this with the rest as well. One vote was primarily because of the conflict with the future land use plan and conflicts with land use. The other one was concerns about the proposed or bringing in more of those ground floor hotel motel with the staff department approach and was kind of that would be the alternative and was having issues with this proposal just because of the whatever the potentials could be.

Wasn't there a lot of discussion too about whether this was appropriate next to the park or whether there should be some different sort of use that's next to the park that maybe there were services that could be available to people who are using the park rather than just slapping housing in there?

I don't recall that being a main vein of discussion, but there could have been a discussion in my head.

So maybe you've been listening to that one.

It would be scary if you heard what's in here.

But they did talk about Frisbee golf. Because that's a Frisbee golf manufacturer, right?

Yeah, it's a manufacturer, not a store.

We're talking like disc golf. Sorry, did I offend somebody?

Not me, but I'm sure somebody.

But it does seem rather odd to rezone all around a commercial structure that exists.

But you are offended.

That seems very odd.

What was that, Jeannie? Sorry.

It seems odd to rezone around a commercial structure that already exists.

Did you read his letter?

Uh-huh. I did read his letter.

I read it one minute ago. Still digesting.

I think he makes some good points, actually. He does make some good points.

Do we have any idea? I mean, he talks about the noise. Do we have any idea of what that... I don't have a... Sounds like I'm making a field trip tonight. Yeah. Where's PD?

If you guys get a call about... You can't make a field trip tonight. You have to go... No, no.

If I'm out, I'm out.

But Mike's found wandering through the...

If I get a call on the PD, where are they? Please don't show up. You left. They did leave. This is your workshop.

Is there any way if it was rezoned To the MR, could they still, does that still include some commercial? Like we talked with the developer and we were talking about how it would be nice if there was a little convenience store or a little cafe or something like that. But that's not MR-20. Not MR-20. That's not MR-20.

MR-20 is very much a standalone residential zone. Yeah.

Yeah, because if I remember right, we have mixed use, right, on the next corner to. To the east. To the east.

Yeah, across to, you know, kind of where that purpley. Yeah. Yeah. That's a really gross.

Didn't we identify the 200 north and 1,000 west as a potential commercial node?

200 north or 200 south?

Yeah. No. 200 north, yeah.

No, this is 200 south. Yeah, on the general plan, 200 north and 10th west is called that as a node.

It's a node.

Is it? Yeah, it is.

To me, that means that we're expecting that to be further developed in heavier commercial.

I mean, currently it's car washes and gas stations, but yeah.

Just seems like... And this is a signalized intersection along 10th West as well, so very much has potential for... Really slow signalized intersection.

Was the townhomes that were developed on... To the east? Yeah, to the east.

Was that... You can see them there on the far right.

Yeah.

That's a mixed use.

That wasn't a rezone, is that correct?

It was a rezone for mixed use and that was part of phase one. Remind me density of mixed use. I don't want to misquote it, I believe it's 30. It starts at 20, but it has residential bonuses for certain... Starts at 20, but requires a commercial of it.

Thank you, Ross.

A couple of thoughts from just looking at it and having chaired a neighborhood council. I do think, and having gone through an extremely long and inclusive and intense process for a general plan, And there were a lot of considerations about future land use in that plan. And it was not just like, oh, let's throw, you know.

It's not made lightly.

There were a lot of decisions about specific property types and potentials in future use during that process.

I agree. But there's also been some changes that have come in, like the homes, the Amberfields. That's all new. Across the street. Since last year.

Since the plan. Since the Woodruff plan.

Oh, we're talking about the general plan. I'm talking about the general plan that we just approved last fall that has this as commercial.

Right.

And that was, so I think that's really something to, you know, think about. Now, in terms of the neighborhood plan, if there have been changes that, I think it's just important that neighborhood plans be considered especially if they are reviewed and updated regularly. I don't know when the last time they looked.

For sure, but I mean, that's what kind of brings us into a weird situation because when you've got homes right across the street and you've got a park on the west side,

But you also have some commercial in there?

Yeah, you also have some commercial.

Essentially light manufacturing.

I'd rather go to a park that has homes bordering it rather than... So do you want more commercial or do you want more? I don't know.

You know what I mean? I know. I kind of want... And the live-work situation seems to work pretty well over there. Kind of. Except for one of the owners over here complained about poop. Just saying.

Oh, this property currently is like the off-leash dog park corner of Logan. It's just like tall fields and poop at the moment. I see people run their dogs in it all the time.

Even the guy who has the property just to the east, he was like, could you just make a dog park somewhere?

We're working on it. It's like half a mile away. That dog park's pretty close. It's close, yeah.

Has the neighborhood been engaged?

We've received no other comments.

I posted in the neighborhood Facebook group that encompasses this area and I think they're all exhausted of me posting and they're asking about rezones. So I did not get a ton of comments but none of them were super positive. But most of them were, when does it end? Not, I hate this project. But in their defense, how often are we asking them about a rezone?

And isn't the property that we just looked at?

Yeah, it's the one in the south down there. Bottom left.

That was a long process. Very close. that denied a rezone request because there was not enough single family within a proposal on a 10-acre that had some townhomes in it. So that's another consideration.

I do think this parcel's radically different, though, even though it's a third of a mile away.

That's right by all the commercial. Yeah.

Oh, I don't know. I mean, the other issue, I mean, the surrounding a commercial existing property is, I think, one of the... That's one of my biggest concerns. Biggest concerns.

Because he bought that property under the assumption that all his neighbors would be commercial. Exactly. And he could expand if needed, and he could make noise if needed, and people would be okay with semi-trucks. Yep. And then...

I mean, I might, like, even on the east side of the road, that block, you know, like, if that were the proposal.

You want townhouses surrounded by commercial on all sides?

No, like, I don't know. Yeah, I see what you're saying. You know, I mean, but to your point, then you could have townhomes surrounded by commercial.

I haven't heard from any of the neighbors who border on 200 South. I'm going to have time to go knock some doors and bug them and just ask what they think. So I'm curious what they think. What would you rather have? If you lived in that house, would you rather have commercial across the street that could be a Jiffy Lube? Or would you rather have townhouses across the street? But on the flip side, if you're the guy that already owns the commercial in the area, would you rather have townhouses next to you or the Jiffy Lube next to you? Because I'll bet they have different answers.

The setbacks, I think he mentioned in his email, the setbacks adjacent to commercial, are they any different from residential?

No, we don't have a transition setback like we do when you're building adjacent to a family residence or anything. It's an interesting... Situation, maybe something to consider in the future, but no, they're just the standard setbacks.

Yeah, to be honest, this is like a perfect spot for mixed use because you could have housing in 1 spot and commercial closer to commercial. I mean, this is why we have more mixed use zone in the 1st place. Most people are trying to force it somewhere else where it doesn't fit and actually fits really well here, but.

So why didn't they?

If we can, can we rezone it to, do we have to rezone it to MR20? Can we choose to rezone it to mixed use if we like? I think it would have to be. Should I look at Mo for that?

I'm looking back on that one.

Mo, if we wanted to rezone to mixed use, could we? Or do we have to rezone to what they're requesting?

You don't have to either deny or approve what they requested. You can't change it. Because he's asking for something, you've got to give him an answer.

I guess your answer would be no. But we can rezone properties without them requesting.

Yeah, but you'd have to notice it. That's separate.

So we just have to re-notice that we're going to rezone it. Or change the general plan.

Planning Commission first. We can't suspend the rule.

I'm just kidding. I know another entity that does that occasionally. Other questions for Erin for your workshop? You guys have all your questions answered. You're happy to vote in two weeks.

I've got two weeks to think about it.

I've got two weeks to ask them questions. And you said there's nothing we can do about setbacks around that infinite disk.

There's nothing in our code. In our code. Which means there's nothing we can do. You can ask nicely.

Planning Commission cannot require something different?

No, this isn't the conditional use permit or anything like that. But they would if you'd went through Planning Commission. The design review and subdivision goes through Planning Commission. And could they require... Further setbacks? Enhanced setbacks? No. No.

Because it's not a conditional use problem.

Okay.

Thank you. Sorry to make you worry. Very clearly for my tired brain. Okay. Those are the questions. Nothing else? I'll let Erin.

No, we might make Tyler wait until the very end.

Always make Tyler wait until the very end. Thank you, Erin. I appreciate it.

Thank you.

I think Steve Jones is the bitter end, but...

Should we try to put you at the beginning next time?

So this is a simple housekeeping aid change. So in our commercial front load rates to simplify utility billing for the future software, our current rate we have 30 different rates because of the rounding error. So the proposal is to modify the current front load garbage rates and so there would be six rates and then be multiplied by the frequency. So you've seen that bottom table there.

It's a really good thing.

I have it in front of me because my eyes are not that good. That looks really more efficient.

I looked at it before, so I don't know. I know. It's behind you.

I don't even need to look at it. I already looked at it before.

It says .01 over and over and over again. Exactly. There you go.

That's why it's like, well, no.

Hold on, zoom in more for Jeannie, please. Tyler's talking actually, you know, sometimes we talk about pennies. We are talking about pennies. Yeah, but this time we're really talking about pennies.

Yeah. That is the adjustment. I'm sorry, Jeannie. And it does make it so the... Wow.

I'm sorry.

It doesn't make it so the utility billing. This is just to make the billing easier. We're sitting by each other next year and we're going to blast it.

And it's literally... I mean, this is the reason I ran for council, is one cent budget justice. I campaigned for years.

This is worth waiting until the end.

That's actually funny. Any questions for Tyler before we...

Just so the council is aware, we may have more of these if we're just trying to figure out how we can do life a little bit easier.

You want us to make it really long each time like this?

No, we'll keep them short. There's commercial waste water treatment flats that will come up shortly and there's some others. This one is very straightforward, I think. It's pretty straightforward.

Okay.

Thank you, Tyler. Thanks. I won't take more of your time with our jokes. Was that less than a minute?

Rich, will this help when we get to, like, transitioning to the new utilities building system? This will. Thank you, Tyler.

Or do we like to test how many digits it can have in our rate?

0.00. Hi. You brought like a whole backup team here. You're like filling a football team over here? What's going on?

Just sheer numbers.

I'm getting intimidated. We just are about three on five. But none of you look like a Steve Jones. He's here.

Wait for his entrance. I'm Joe Hawks. I'm the Water and Wastewater Division Manager for Logan City. I've been with the division for eight years. Our division, of course, handles all the drinking water distribution as well as wastewater collection for the city. And the wastewater collection also includes collection from contributing cities that retreat their wastewater. An important thing for us is having a master plan that we can look forward into the future, anticipate growth and future demands and needs. And it gives us a guideline for that. Hanson Allen Luce was selected to do our wastewater collection master plan. And Steve Jones, Ridley Griggs, and Megan Fernandez And before I turn it over to Steve, I also want to give a special thanks to Logan City staff. Derek Holmstead is our division engineer. He's here today. And he was the project manager for this master plan and also recognized Darren Farr, the city engineer. He helped review it as well as Paul Linkhart. And the Water Advisory Board also gave input and comments and we appreciated their feedback. And with that, I'll have Steve jump in.

Yes, Joe. Here I am. I'm Steve Jones. And I've spent a lot of time in Logan the last couple days. On Saturday, my wife and I left at 5.42 a.m. on our tandem. We rode all the way to Jackson Hole. And then this week we have AWWA's Intermountain Section Conference at Riverwood. You're here.

You're still recovering.

I say, how do your legs feel?

Great.

Can you do a squat right now?

And the mayor's introduction this morning was the best, wasn't it?

So the purpose of the master plan is the wastewater master plan and our job is to assist the city in providing efficient and reliable water collection service to its customers. And we do that by identifying and prioritize capital improvements. Those are existing improvements and then the improvements needed for future growth. So just a little education in how we determine sewer capacity. So this is a sewer pipe. It's your standard sewer pipe in the road. And we have to account for infiltration. That's water that seeps into the pipeline at all times because it's buried in the ground and there's groundwater that seeps into it. And so your infiltration that's happening all the time ranges from about, so the lowest month is about February And that gives you a total of about 10 million gallons per day if you add up all those. So some of them in February has very little infiltration, but in April when all the snow melts off and everything's really wet, the wettest, then you have the most infiltration and the range is about 8 million gallons per day. So that's quite a bit. Okay, next. So we have to leave room for that. And then we have the, what it's for, the customers use about that much of the pipeline. And then next slide. And then we have what we call. Sorry, I'm not going to say anything. Yeah. It's a necessary utility for sure.

We're so glad it's there.

And then we have inflow. And that's the water that comes, gets into the pipeline during a storm event. So when all the rain or the snow melts and gets into the, so we have to leave room for that too, else we'll have a problem. Next. So here's a typical, so the orange is a typical up and down trend as people use the sewer system. And then when it, When a storm occurs, there's this additional flow that makes its way into the pipelines. It goes through the lids and through the ground, et cetera. It makes its way into the pipeline. We have to leave room for that because we can't, we have to accommodate it so that the sewer stays. And then really the infiltration is that gap in the bottom. So here's just some interesting information on flows from 2022 through 2026. What I would point out here is in 2022 the infiltration in the wintertime was quite low and you can see it's when the canals turn on in the summer that water makes its way into the sewer pipelines. And so that's called infiltration too, seasonal. But after 2023, if you remember, it was really wet. we saw the wintertime altiltration actually higher than the summertime canal altiltration. So it's quite a flip that's occurred and that happened again in 2024. And then, so anyway, it moves around but we have to accommodate room for it.

We seem to be following almost exactly from 2025 to 2026.

Yeah.

Yeah. Great.

And then the last piece of capacity we need is some air in the top. If you don't have air in the pipe, it gets bad. So it actually starts, if there's no air, it gets anaerobic and it starts becoming acidic and eating the pipe. And so we have to leave air, and really stinky. So we have to leave air in the pipe. That's part of the capacity. Sorry. I'm educating you on the capacity. No, you're doing great.

Also, I'm smiling at Paul behind you.

Here's the science. If you take an engineering class, this is what they teach you. It's also about 75% is the highest amount of flow you can get in the pipe when it's not pressurized. Once it gets higher than that, it starts touching the tops of the walls of the pipe and so then you actually have less capacity. But it's your interesting engineering fact of the day. So you said when it's not pressurized? The sewers are not pressurized. There's a few, if you have to pump it, you do have lift stations, we call them in your city, and that fills up a tank underground and then that pump grinds it and pumps it in a pressurized pipe. Usually those are not extensive, but you do have a few of those.

There's a big lift station right next to the MR-20.

Yeah, southwest corner of it. But like 95% of your system or more is gravity, we call it. So here we create a model.

Well, you don't move it very often. You put it in once and you don't move it.

Yes. So we put together a model of your whole system. You have great GIS and so we actually can simulate all this, the air gap and the sewer flow and the inflow and the infiltration and then assess all the places that don't have the right amount of capacity existing and then we can go in the future and do the same thing. So next. So here's your level of service that we've come up with. Everyone gets 210 gallons per day. That's your level of service that you provide in your city. So each home, we allow for 210 gallons per day of capacity. How many flushes of toilet is that?

That's all the waste water. So that's showers, washing machines, laundry machines. Yep. Do you know how many flushes?

No.

Oh.

I can probably calculate it. Like a lot of your low flow toilets are right around a gallon or a little less. 210 flushes. There you go.

And it is based on indoor water usage because you have meters on your water.

So the water in

in the wintertime is essentially what we assume is the sewer going out. Should equal the water. And then you do have quite a bit of infiltration and this is on the whole. The whole city has about 8 million gallons per day as we looked at system-wide of infiltration that's ongoing throughout the year, fluctuates. And then inflow as storms come, you have about 10 million gallons per day system-wide that you have to accommodate. Okay? Thanks. So system vulnerabilities, the infiltration and inflow, significant volumes are consuming capacity in the pipes. I would say you do have more than normal. Inflow into the pipes. It's the same. You're blessed with lots of water.

We have really clean sewer because of it because it's a lot of clean groundwater.

But that's not what we want. And you have a great water supply because you have a lot of... groundwater. So that's a blessing that many cities are envious. Can I ask a question about inflow? If you have inflow, Do you have outflow at similar points? Very few cities. I will tell you one. So Tuila City, because they're up higher and they aren't blessed with lots of water, they would love to have your water. But because the sewer is up out of the groundwater, they actually lose sewer into the groundwater. So they have exfiltration, we call it. But that's actually pretty rare. So we don't have any of the ground water. You have plenty of water that pushes it in the pipe.

The pressure's going the other way. Yes.

The pipe is the path of least resistance, and so that's where the water, so the sewer stays there. How is a pipe the path of least resistance? Because it has that air gap. It would rather go...

But it's a plastic, I mean, I know there's joints and stuff here and there, but I... We're getting 10 million gallons a day of infiltration to the sewer system? That feels like an insane amount of water pushing us away.

Pretend like you're a water particle. Would you like to squeeze through the dirt? Or would you like to get a tube down the pipe? How are you all getting through the pipe, though?

It's a plastic pipe. We don't have all plastic.

Lots of it is concrete. Concrete.

Concrete. Most of it is not plastic.

I still feel like concrete is less, more resistance than dirt.

It is, but the concrete pipes are in short sections and if they're not laid perfectly straight and you have shifting of the ground, they start to turn into a teeter-totter and then that opens up the cracks and you just get more groundwater pouring in. We've got a lot of great videos of this because we go out and fight it with our grout truck where we try and seal it off. That's something that they've also recommended that we keep.

You remember the groundwater is up here pushing down on this empty pipe with air in it. And so all the water wants to get in there.

Most of the infiltration comes from the top of the pipe, not like sides and bottom.

It's all around it.

It just feels like a lot of water that's pushing its way into pipes.

And because all this water wants to get in there, the sewer water can't get out.

Okay. There you go. It's a good isolation.

It is a lot of infiltration. We also get infiltration from other communities as well.

Yes. So when we have storms, we'll see on the meters that flow into the city, we'll see a spike just like they showed on that.

Sure. Yep. I mean, I'm assuming their systems are similar to ours.

Just remember that a lot of that happens when the irrigation starts. Yep. Yeah. That's what we were showing. It just feels like water.

And it has nothing to do with the chemical composition. It's just the pressure of it.

Correct. Okay.

And that's pretty typical as far, I mean, it's not a reflection of the quality of the pipe.

You don't want infiltration. It's a reflection of how old our system is.

Yeah.

The new plastic pipe is actually better at keeping the water out.

It's harder to get in there. Interesting.

The plastic pipe is in 20 foot lengths, and the old clay pipe is in three foot lengths. So there's just a lot of joints.

I'm assuming the plastic pipe is glued at the joints. I mean, I still get it moves over time a little bit.

There's a gasket that seals it.

Sorry, I'll stop.

Okay.

And you do have infrastructure, so that's a concern. Risk for failure, and it's not as exciting as like a water break where you... Got water flowing out all over the place. It's quite not dramatic. And sometimes you have pipes that because of the lack of air gap or whatever, the pipe has been totally eaten away and it's just dirt left and you just have the sewer flowing down. There are places like that in the city.

And it's just like your house. You have roots that infiltrate the pipe and things. If you have an older pipe in your house, older sewer line in your house, You've got the same problems.

Yep. So just like any of your utilities, you should be thinking about pipeline replacement over time.

I have done. Every one on my street has done it in the past 10 years because they had, what is it, the certain kind of pipe that I have.

It was paper pipe.

It's something like that, yes, that has like a 40-year lifespan or whatever. And that was like, oh, we're at that.

So, you know, every one of those.

I learned a lot about this at that time.