Municipal Council - Regular Meeting

one project had um wetlands. We will call to order the April 21st regular council meeting for the Logan Municipal Council. Um let's do that. And we will start with our pledge of allegiance and I will just lead us in that pledge and then we'll dive into our agenda. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

As some of you may have noticed, our our agenda looks a little bit different today. Uh there's been some work into making it ADA compliant and I was reading things on our agenda that maybe I've never read before. I did not realize that we are publicly broadcast onto Channel 17 until tonight. Um so you didn't know you've been on TV? I did not. I knew I've been on YouTube. I I call myself a YouTuber to the kids in the neighborhood, but then when I tell them what YouTube channel, they don't think it's very cool. Um, but we will move on to the acceptance of the minutes and the approval of the agenda for this evening or any discussion about either if there is by the council.

Um, I move to accept the amendments. We have a motion and approve the and approve the agenda. I will second that. We have a motion and a second to uh accept the minutes and approve the agenda. Uh, all those in favor, please say I. I. I. Any opposed? And our minutes are accepted and our agenda is approved. Our 2026 regular meeting schedule is the 1st and third Tuesdays at 5:30 p.m. And our next meeting will be May 5th. Um, 2026. Mike, do you want to say anything about the fact that we will have more meetings in May than normal at this?

Sure. This is a good time to to do so. Yeah. So in May we start our budget hearings and they are every Tuesday in May. Is that No, they're just the second opposite Tuesdays of council. So we have meetings every Tuesday in May. Um so you're more than welcome to come to any or all budget meetings. Yeah. So we have our regular council meetings on the first and third Tuesdays and on the second and fourth Tuesdays we will have budget hearings. So if you want more of city budgets, we did discuss having them on the same day, but

that'd be a lot be a lot. So yeah, so we will also have those budget hearings uh throughout May and then we'll approve the budget hopefully towards the end of June. At this point the uh questions and comments for the council and mayor portion of our agenda. This is a time for any citizens in the audience who have questions, concerns, comments or thoughts for the council or the mayor. uh you're welcome to approach the microphone, state your name and your city of residence and please take three minutes or less and keep your comments to something that is within the domain and uh perview of the council andor the mayor. At this point, I'll open the microphone up and the floor is the public's

just right here, right? Yes, please.

Okay, sounds good. So, my name is Autumn Matthews. I reside in Logan. Um, and I work for Cash Water District. As part of the district, we want to help save water in the valley, which is super important, especially this year. Um, and I just wanted to bring your attention to two programs. Um, I have flyers for both, but our spring grass receded program um, is launched now officially this spring. Um, which allows residents to purchase water wise grass seed at a discounted rate of 50%, which is $3.50 per pound. Um, and it takes roughly about six to seven pounds to exceed 1,000 square feet. So, just to throw that out there. I'd love if Logan would promote this. It's an awesome way to save water at very little cost to our residents and it doesn't require any ordinance adoption on your part. Um, the second one is our landscape incentive program that the state has asked us to push. This landscape incentive program, uh, we'd like to make it available to your residents through you passing a water wise ordinance, um, which is no amount of park strips for new construction. This is only for new construction. No lawn in areas less than 8 ft in width. No more than 50% of front and sideyard landscaped in new residential developments may be lawn. Um and then in new commercial, industrial, institutional, and multif family developments, lawn shall not exceed 20% of the total landscaped area outside the active recreation areas. So this um doesn't include backyards of any of those residential lots. I know that Logan City has looked at this program before um but it's up to the cities to enforce it. So, it just depends on how much you guys want to enforce it versus not. It's a great way though to have your residents save water. We have had a couple Logan residents come and ask us when will Logan City be adopting this because it is a great way to have residents switch out their their landscaped portions um for water wise landscaping. Um and it it allows them to get a rebate for their their turf that they do replace. So, um, if it's okay, I'd love to give you guys these flyers and answer any questions for anything

that may come up. You're welcome to bring the flyers up. Absolutely. And we'll probably leave the questions for later if that's okay so that we can have others comment. Um, but do you have contact information on your flyers? Yes. Perfect. My contact information is on the grass receiving flyer. I'm also more than happy to send over a digitized um copy of that flyer. So, Autumn, could you for the for the people who might not be in the audience, but could you talk a little bit about how the grass receded can work?

Yes. So, residents can either overseed or they can spray and kill their grass. Overseeding is an awesome option for um if you don't want to have your grass all the way dead, but you do want to have like a little bit of that um still there. But you throw out your grass seed. It's super simple. And you just water it a little bit extra in the summer. And then over the course of the the growing period, you'll taper that water off. So you'll water it about once every week to with just a/ an inch of water if you're going for conservation standards to an inch of water if if you want to make sure your grass stays super green. But it's a super dark green blend. Spray and kill is awesome, too. It'll pop up just like normal and you just throw it out. It's super simple. You kind of do it like a fertilizer as you would.

Perfect. Thank you. Yep. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for your time. Thank you.

Hi, my name is excuse me, Suzanne Jamaki. I'm a geocientist. I'm an ammerita from Utah State University and I'm also a community activist now. And my comments today actually follow on what we just heard about the quality of life in our community. It's also up here in the mission statement. And I'm quite concerned that there are two engineering projects moving forward in the city that concern water that negatively impact uh the quality of life here and expose our citizens to natural hazards. So, I'm concerned about natural hazards, the health and safety of the community due to the culinary water project and the irrigation water project. And I might skip around a little bit because I didn't write this in advance far enough, but I'll be talking about those two. And I'm also concerned because these actions will impact the entire valley. It's not just a Logan thing. So, I'm concerned that Logan is moving ahead with an extremely expensive irrigation upgrade. Uh, that would divert even more precious river water out of the Logan River and away from the Great Salt Lake, which needs every drop of water it can get. As many of us know, we are starting to get uh toxic dust plumes here. There's poisons in them, and this is only getting worse. The insurance companies know this and it is negatively impacting the economy of the state. So every bit of water that we can allow to go to the Great Salt Lake needs to go there. And instead there's this expensive project called the Logan River Wershed Project that would encourage people to use Logan River water and put it on our local

lawns. And I would hope that instead we could do conservation. I'm also concerned with the other project that landslides might be more likely after the water tank and pipeline project is completed. The bluff crossing is going through a place where the geotechnical study found a 4ft thick clay layer that is extremely thick. This is a water saturated clay layer. These are the kinds of layers that produce the biggest uh landslides in that area and this clay layer was identified and then not used in their assessment of the hazard. So I'm concerned that the analysis was incomplete and I suggest that you have a second study done. I'm also concerned that there's no geotechnical analysis of the pipeline where it would cross the active east cache fault east of the tank. There's nothing on the website about that part of the project. The east cashache vault uh could rupture one to two meters in the future in several. Thank you.

Thank you, Suzanne. Seeing no one else, we will close our questions and comments. Oh, one more. Sorry. We will keep the microphone open for a moment.

Well, good evening, uh, council. My name is Nicole Fallen, and I'm here um because I'm the founder of Cash Valley Senior Living Guide, a new found nonprofit organization. Um, I'm here today because Logan is aging and right now our seniors and their families are often navigating the complex transition from hospital to long-term care without a centralized uni unbiased map especially for those ones families and children's are far far away. Um our mission is to provide a free comprehensive resource that helps family identify the right care whether it's assisted living, assisted living, memory care or home health right here in Cash Valley. Our goal is to reduce hospital rate admissions and ensure that every senior regardless of income can access the care they deserve. I look forward to partnering with Logan City in the coming years to strengthen our community's aging infrastructure. Thank you. Just like to let you know. Oh, can I give you a flyer about my organization?

Yes. Thank you.

You can also email it if you don't have enough copy. I think I have enough Thank you. There's my Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you. Okay. Seeing no one else, we will close our question and comments for the mayor and we will move on to our mayor and staff reports.

All right. Very good. Um Logan City proclaims Friday, April 24th this week um Arbor and Bird Day. And so we're going to celebrate Arbor and Bird Day throughout the city by urging all of our citizens to get out and protect your trees, your woodlands and birds, and to plant more trees. Uh so the well-being of our present and future generations depend on us taking care of our resources and trees and birds happen to fall into that. So we have proclaimed April 24th as uh Arbor and Bird Day in Logan. So, kind of exciting. And we have lots of projects coming up this fall for planting trees. So, not this week, unfortunately. But, uh, this fall. So, got some great opportunities coming up. Um, we'd also, since

we better get our shovels I know. We better get your shovel sharpened. Yeah. Get your shovel sharpened and your backhoe uh greased. I just thought my back. I thought you were going to say I need my back grease. No, I don't own a backhoe. Yeah. So excited for that.

But uh council last year requested better communication and we've heard from our residents through the general plan that they would prefer better communication from our city. So we have uh hired a new public relations officer and would like to introduce him today. So George, please come up. This is George Woodward. He is our new public relations specialist and he has other duties as well too. So, this is not his only responsibility.

Hello. I'm happy to be here. Um, my family and I moved here uh last July uh from Texas where I retired after 30 years of active duty and civilian service in the Air Force uh during which I did exactly what I'm doing here. So, I have a lot of experience behind me. I'm excited to be here and I'm excited to help the city uh communicate with its residents and talk about all the good things we're doing and sometimes help people understand some of the things they don't like as well. Some things are necessary but not fun. So we'll help help address those things. So will your other duties be new to you or are they just complimented?

Well, they involve some uh administrative support to the legal office. Uh so uh you know if you work for the federal government, you're an expert in uh bureaucracy and administrative process. I do have some we're a bureaucracy. Well, yeah, that's that's reality. We all have to live with it.

Yeah. with with George's extensive background and the sheer number of people that he's worked with in departments, uh he'll be an invaluable resource in creating this role and finding what really works for for this position so we can be as effective at communicating to our community as possible and uh really get the word out on what's happening in the city, good or bad, and uh let people know what's happening. Yeah. So, very excited to have George on the team. Welcome. Welcome. Thank you, George. Thank you, George. That's my report.

Thank you, Mayor Anderson. We'll move on to council business. Um, first we have a youth council program proposal from Shayen Spangle. I believe she Yep, there she is. Thank you, Shaylen. And we will give you I think we gave you five minutes. Is that what we discussed? Five minutes. Five to seven. That'll be perfect. Go for it. Would it be all right if I give you guys the proposal? Of course. Yes. Perfect. She would like a copy as well. You came prepared. You say that. You say that like has already seen it. Thank you. Thank you so much.

You are organized. I like this.

Thank you. Uh so hello. Good afternoon. Thank you so much for giving me the opportunity to come and present this proposal to you. My name is Shayen Spangler and I am a member of the college community engagement council which is a group of higher education students who are chosen through the lieutenant governor's office who are dedicated to getting our communities involved with service. This year each of us has a capstone project that we have the opportunity to go and work on with our communities. And this year, my capstone project was to help reinstate the Logan City Youth Council or to attempt to and also help provide a platform where youth voices can be uh utilized to help serve our city. Logan City is an incredible place to live and to love. It has pockets of beautiful diversity and a base of individuals who care so much about our city and its well-being. However, our city does have some spots where representation is lacking and where voices haven't had the chance to shine. Youth voices are essential to the well-being of any city. And it matters even more as major changes are happening throughout our state, which can leave many students feeling powerless and overwhelmed. For many, youth council is the first taste of service, of leadership, and show youth that they are capable of making a difference in their community. Without a city supported youth council, an entire group of young people is left without a platform. Many of them learn an opportunity to learn to lead, to collaborate with local change makers, to build a love of service, and to discover their passions. Research on civ on youth civic engagement consistently shows that early involvement in local government leads to higher rates of community participation, stronger leadership skills, and long-term invest or interest in public service. When one city funds engage, it's proven that they influence others and create it creates a domino effect that strengthens the community from within. Restoring the youth council and getting youth engaged is about creating opportunities for lasting positive change by empowering the next generation of civic leaders. I've had the opportunity to work with the Logan City Youth Council for the last um about semester and a half uh getting to know them and getting to see the passion that they have and it really pushed this or my primary objective for my my capstone

project which has been to support the current youth council club in preparing this proposal for you guys. The proposal outlines a path for reinstating the youth council, getting funding and creating the structure that will prepare them for long-term impact. My goal has been to present a clear and realistic plan will show that it shows you guys the value of youth voices within the civic landscape. This proposal outlines a four-year strategic plan to establish, grow, and sustain the youth city council along with recommendations to address a couple of liability concerns. Um staffing requests for a part-time youth engagement coordinator and a slight budget increase to help assist the youth council in carrying out their objectives and in the growth that they are hoping to see. Years one and two focus on establishment, growth, and identity. and then years three and four on impact, sustainability and then legacy in reopening the doors for city for students to get involved in their city. We give them the chance to help um themselves become more confident and the impact that they can make in our world. So we respectfully request that the city council approves the reinstatement of the youth city council as an official city advisory body, authorizes the creation of a part-time youth engagement coordinator position, and then improves the uh slight budget increase for the YCC programming. Um, it's an investment in our future and in our community. And with this plan, a coordinator, and the financial support, I believe that the youth city council can become a program that strengthens youth civic presence for years to come. Thank you so much. Are there any questions? Sorry,

why don't you tell us about your experience in city council uh when you were younger because I remember you told us a little bit about it. I was the mayor of my youth city council my junior year and then the mayor of prom my senior year and it was one of the coolest experiences to get to have hands-on experience or hands-on um engagement with groups of individuals who I never would have gotten to meet otherwise. We worked a lot with the veterans in during nove October and November to prepare a service project for the um cemetery in I'm from West Point about an hour and a half south. And so we would work with the veterans in our city to do that. We would help plan parts of the parade. We would help run booths at the Fourth of July celebrations. And we also were in charge of doing like the Easter egg hunt where we got to really interact with um young families and and get to have that hands-on impact. I also um instated a legacy project for repainting the crosswalk lines in my city because that was something that I was really really passionate about of like these are not painted and that I I found it to be a security risk and so it was something that I went and I talked to our mayor about and I was like hey can we work on this and now that's something that the city of council continues to work on um for now four years after that. So, it's just really, really cool to get the opportunity to be with other youth leaders who care and also get to make an impact on your community in any way that you can.

Thank you. Did I hear a question over here before? No. You did? Nope. I did. How's this different than the youth program that we're running right now, Ernesto? You've been kind of spearheading that. She knows a little bit about it. I'm actually going to let her kind of So, currently the Youth City Council is a club through Logan High School, which limits the scope of participation to just students who are there. Um, rather than being able to be have it have it be a body that students from all over Logan can engage with. It's just something that is limited to Logan High School. So you mean do you mean like grade school and junior high

specifically late junior high and high school? It's currently just for the high school is just but we only have one high school but it could also be for middle school. Yeah, it could be for middle school. And I also know we have a lot of high school age students in our community who go to high schools that are not low and high. And there is there's intech there is and there's also inte high but there are also a lot of them that go to green canyon and ridge line. True. Yeah. There's a lot to go to green canon eventually. So with this then um so move it from the school to the city from the school and is the school okay with that? Well that's part of the finding that

that's the million that's the million dollar question tonight. Yeah. There hasn't been any push back from the uh communication that I have had with it. It seems like it would be something that if this were to be approved then it would be something that would be worked towards after and see if there are any if there is anything that would prohibit that or if it would be something that would just be an easy switch. And you mentioned a couple of times reinstating. So we formally had one and it's so the city held housed I don't think so. I think it was the same as it is currently. That's a Craig answer. I want a rich answer. Yes or no? No. As far as I know, we've never had one.

My understanding was there was not a cityowned. No. The city parks department. Did the parks department run it many years ago? Kind of. Okay. I mean, it wasn't really a It was just mostly the same that run by the park. Okay. So, this is really more instating. Well, Russ is back there. He could answer that. He did. He went He's naughty. We give it some. Okay. And then so in addition to moving it from the high school to be city um I mean it's already housed under the city organization housed under Yeah. It's not it's not it's housed by it's school right now but

yeah. So in addition so the main request budgetarily is the $500 request and a part time. Let's say the $500 is an easy ask the part the part staff is different. Well, that was the part that I kept because it's it said in a couple of places. So, we're requesting this increase. Um you you seem to be prioritizing the $500 increase, but can you tell us more about this request for the first one on there? Yeah, on the front it is. On the back it's different on the line item

for that one. It's it would be discussed of course if it were to move from the school to being underneath the city not the school. Um, but in order to not put more work onto Ernesta who's currently kind of he's got nothing to do, we would there would be somebody who would work to just do making sure that they are they have like a coordinator for reaching out to the warming center if they were doing

projects like that who would attend all of their meetings and be like the adult who's over them and just making sure that everything's there. it as to my understanding and from what I've researched and understood um through my experiences in youth council and talking to I did a lot of research with other youth councils throughout the state finding out how they kind of go about their programs it would just be for specifically like the times for the youth council so we meetings emailing making sure the coordination is happening and then if there's any like small extra things then yeah I would assume there not be a full 20 hours a week year round to run a health

and then other municipal ities. Is this part-time position solely working with the youth city council or do they have other responsib or is it rolled into a position that has other responsibilities? It's up to us, but it would have to be either. From my understanding, it has varied. They have some that are just over the youth council and that's all that it is and then there are other ones where it is rolled in other responsibilities. It just kind of depends on what is most beneficial for the city and how they wanted to run their program.

Do you have a list of some of those cities? Because Chair Johnson and I are going to the League of Cities and Towns this week. We can hit some people up and talk to them about how that works and kind of get some more information from how it's working in their cities. And Mary is asking, do you have a list right now? We're leaving tomorrow. You can you can email it to me anytime, but Thursday is a great day for us to just start hitting people up. I mean, gathering some like, you know, personal data from them and how things are working and, you know, how they're funding it and, you know, which department it's fitting in. I mean, that way I can really get some some

feedback from people that are doing it. I have a list of the five I reached out to five of them that I had worked with previously either through the other part of this capstone was to engage with those youth councils and to kind of do like leadership trainings with them. Sure. And so I have those five and then I have like one or two others that I can get. Perfect. Yeah. Five or six. That would be great because this is a good opportunity for us to visit with people. Yeah. And I have a couple that I spoke to years ago when we started looking at kind of re-energizing the youth council. So could provide you with those. Yeah, it's absolutely worth exploring and I think you've done a great job putting this together. I think I think so too. I think it was a lot of great information and I will say tenatively I like the idea. Obviously staffing is is a

concern. I think the $500 we can find but staffing is a concern but um it would be nice to have them through the summer and be able to have a little more interaction with them with them which I think would be great. But let's look into it while we're at the conference. Thank you. So, we're going to put it on um Mike Johnson, Mayor Anderson to follow up on some um investigative information what cities are doing. Any other questions for Shannon? Thank you. Thank you so much for your time. We really appreciate it. Thank you.

We'll now move to a board appointment. We have a uh new board appointment for the our RESAP board, the renewable energy and sustainability advisory board. Uh and I don't know if this person is here, but we have Yes, he is. He is. He is. He's back there. He's hiding from me at my angle. Perfect. Um thank you. We we have Paul uh Paul S. De Morgan. Um and I believe he's been confirmed and ratifi ratified by the board itself and is uh here to the council uh for a vote to appoint him to the renewable energy board. might might you say why we are doing this one and not the mayor? Sure. Do you want to do you want to give this bill? I can.

Once upon a time quite a long time ago um it was determined that the council would like to establish the renewable energy board as a council committee. So um that would be the reason we will do the ratification and was and is not presented by the mayor. When the mayor fills positions on other committees, those are city committees and so then we ratify those as well. But it's more of a policy advisory board for the council. Right. Yeah. Uh any questions for Paul or any discussion before we call a vote? We can have him come up and say hello. Would you like to introduce yourself, Paul?

Put you on the spot for a moment. Only if he has to. I said would you like to? Yeah. Uh, do I have a choice? No. Uh, always. Always.

Uh, Paul de Morgan. Uh, been in the Valley for 22 years or so. My wife's a professor at Utah State. I've been a mediator uh of environmental disputes, consensus builder for 35 years or so. um and uh have kind of reduced my uh workload in the last uh year or so and was looking for opportunities to to help uh the community and um so this was one of Mike Taylor who's on the board who's a friend and suggested I join give my experience with a variety of issues including energy issues through my career. Excellent. Thank you Paul. Thank you for being willing to come on board. Yeah.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Well, with that, I will entertain a motion. I would so move that we approve. I'll second the motion. A motion and a second. Any further discussion? All those in favor, please say I. I. I. Any opposed? You are uh now officially part of the board and now you have less decision. I mean, less choice on whether you come to meetings, right? We will we will appreciate your input and and your participation. So, thank you, Paul. We'll now move to a planning commission update from Jeannie Simmons.

Uh there were two items on the planning commission agenda last meeting. Um both were approved six to zero. One is the Take Five oil change, which is going to be built right next to another oil change thing in uh across from the entrance to the Walmart across from the Walmart back Walmart entrance. You really would think it might be Providence, but it still was right where the Maverick used to be. Yep. Yeah.

Yep. And the other one uh was the Delta uh taxi lane H and hangar expansion. Um the there's a group that is going to build um both the taxi lane and the hangers um adjacent to that taxi lane. And so that project was approved. We approve all building at the airport. So the planning commission is Anyway, that's it. Thank you, Jean. We'll now move to council announcements. This is a time for the council to share anything important, either from a board they've been on or a community or city event they've been to or something that they feel like is important for the council or community to hear about or know about. Um, and I have a few things, but I always will take blast unless you all don't have anything else. So I will say that um Monday yesterday uh I was able I was asked to attend um the senior presentation for the landscape architecture students and their project was to reimagine Utah State University's campus and there were eight teams and they each did a presentation on a part they divided up the campus into eight pieces. Um, they were all very, very well done. Um, my only comment to them was they sure wanted to build a lot of buildings, but you know, that's part of what planning is all about. But I was impressed by the fact that they were very intent on creating a campus that had a human scale. um lots of smaller walkways, um benches, trees, um things that make it more personal to be on a campus. And um they I know the art space was one of

their projects and when you walked outside of the um the building and looked at the mass of concrete between the performance hall and that whole area is just concrete. and um they had reinvisioned it to connect to some other walkways and have it be much more personal. But it was a really interesting um morning and I was glad to have been a part of it.

Um I attended a my first forestry advisory board meeting on April 8th. the main discussion um point on the agenda is the was the 250 trees for the anniversary of 250 years in America. And so um what that is is uh the city's commitment to planting 250 trees this year as part of that um celebration and anniversary. And those trees can be planted in park strips where there are six or is it eight

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between um the the sidewalk and the curb um and also in um on city in city parks and public spaces. And so, um, there are some community members from various neighborhoods on that advisory board as well. And so, we're all looking around and um, thinking about and um, letting them know possible locations where we these can be planted. One of the things that they did request is that um from a just a staffing and labor standpoint um it's better if there can be places recommended where multiple trees can be planted versus one tree. Um so that

and everywhere that here there and everywhere. Yeah. So so I just want to mention that. So if you have but in your neighborhoods in your areas if there are park strips 6 ft or more that could use or benefit from trees or parks that you enjoy going to. I know in my neighborhood um a couple of years ago I requested that they add a few trees on the west side of the playground because of the late afternoon sun beating down the playground equipment. Um you know things like that. They're open to ideas. They want ideas and input. So feel free to send those to to you and you'll take them to the board

to me and I can share pass them along. The easy part is acquiring the trees. The hard part that you don't realize is finding a place for them. Yeah. You know, it it doesn't seem like a lot, but 250 holes is a lot of holes. I will say I have a neighbor that just requested some trees from the city in their park strip and Rex and his team showed up and I think there was like three guys but they planted four trees and they they showed up in the morning. I was eating breakfast and I was like shocked cuz I was like, "Oh, I'll finish breakfast. I'll walk out and say hi to them and like 10 minutes later they were gone." They dug four holes and planted four trees so fast. I was impressed. But it helps to know where you're going. It does. Yeah. It helps.

And they had staked them before. It is definitely better to do bursts of three or four or five more instead of doing one here and one there. I don't know. That means all of us get that that's like 20. Yeah, if we all do them three or four or five. Yeah,

that's right. Um I I will just actually let me finish by saying because the um the team um who is planting these is is small for the city, they also are happy to have volunteers help if there are neighborhoods or areas where there are trees identified and they're happy to, you know, give you the information, you know, how to go about planting them. So that's an opportunity for neighborhoods or groups except or service projects as well. Lots of service opportunities this year. Yeah. So that's awesome. Take advantage of them.

Well, I have a couple things. Uh I was surprised Genie didn't mention, but we went to Fire Ops 101 two weeks ago. Me and Ernesto and Jeanie and a few members of other council members and mayors. You can tell me. You can tell me. Tell them what I won. What my award was. What did you win? Didn't you? Oh, I do remember your award. I can't tell what your award is. You give me enough crap for this. What is your award? I am the oldest person who has ever done a live fire event in the city of L. I love that.

Yeah, that's good. And that required about 50 lbs worth of equipment and clothing on top of going up into a dark place and putting out a fire full of smoke. And I got to and I got to cut off the door off a car. Yeah. Yeah. The the fire department took us out and ran us through just some of their basic training stuff they do for a couple hours and showed us what they did. And it was it was I I laughed to myself multiple times cuz I'm in my 30s and cocky I guess. I don't know still. And the fire department.

I know. Well, the fire department's like, "Pull the hose off the truck." So, I like loop my arm through and jump off the truck and I'm hanging off the truck by my arm cuz I don't weigh as much as the hose. And then they're like, "Tell me to run to the fire." And I I ran in there thinking I was going to be like, "Oh, there's a fire." And then there was a wall of fire and I panicked a little bit and hit my mask off with the hose in the building full of smoke. So then I like shoved it back on and sprayed the fire and then you couldn't see anything. Basically I realized that I have a much higher panic reflex than I thought I did. Uh but the fire crews were there right on your shoulder to it. It was interesting and eye opening to see a little bit of I think the thing that I'll take away from it more than anything really is you think like oh I'll spray water on a fire. It's like a campfire. You throw water on and it steams like crazy. And the moment you put that fire out the whole room went completely black. like it went from being able to see a little bit to you put out the light and filled it with smoke and steam and I panicked a little bit. Um, but it was it was great. The fire crews were amazing and and it was cool to see what they did. So, that was a fun but educational thing that that a couple of us got to do a couple weeks ago. Some of the things that I've done over the last couple weeks, golf advisory board met the golf course is doing fantastically. Uh, for better or worse, the the early spring that we've had has been been good for the golf course and and it looks great out there and it's still it's busy, but not so busy that there's not time to squeeze out and get a tea time here and there. Uh, and the new carts are are wonderful. I uh took one for a short spin the other day.

Been out there a lot. Well, say but the new carts that you on the board. I need to check things. I know, right? That's why I tell my wife all the time. I've got to check, you know, make sure that, you know, whole four is looking great again. So, the really interesting thing, but the carts are amazing. I just want to tell you that when I was first on council and I was on the golf advisory board, I made an arrangement. Jeff probably remembers. We had all the council come out and have a tour of the golf course because seriously, if you do not golf, how would you know what it how cool it is? I think we need to have a council tour. Yeah, we should totally golf. It was really fun. Three two of us at a time anyway. No, we all went

I know. And we decision being made. Yeah. Because it gave you a real appreciation for the asset that it is. Yeah, it is. And they do a good job taking care of it out there. So, it's good to hear that they're doing well and they're busy and and uh I'm always I always like the fact that the golf course is self sustaining. It's not, you know, supported by tax dollars, which is nice.

So, um another quick meeting. Russ is sitting next to to uh Jeff over there. I'll just mentioned I met with Russina recently. Um I've mentioned this a few times. There's fireflies out at our new outdoor recreation complex. So for those of you that haven't seen them um out like what it be like 1450 west and 200 southish, if you go out there in June and July, you can see fireflies at night. And uh Parks and Recre is working on some strategies to make sure that the fireflies stay there and that we keep their habitat and keep them as happy as we can on the edge of town. Um so that was a good meeting and and Russ came with a lot of great ideas. You could ask them. Yeah, I could always ask. You could ask them to stay. Go fill the field with water. They might stay. So, I had a few other things, but those were kind of some my big updates and I'll stop now. Do you have anything?

Yeah. Since we're going down the line

at RESAB, we are beginning um to better kind of outline a strategic vision type of a guiding document uh to better prioritize some of the focus of of the board. um at um youth council. Actually, there were a couple of volunteers that helped the warming center uh back on Easter day um Easter Sunday uh to because they needed to move all of the the CS and the for to come back in because they had to take him out earlier in the day. Um and then at the polycards uh board we were updated on the mural at Willow Park that got finished.

Oh yeah, I forgot. Uh which looks really really nice. The also the extension of the library mural, the children's library mural that I completed and and we got to see some pictures of it. Um, and then we also heard from Aaron on a proposal to do an America 250 commemorative mural here on near Center Street or on Center Street on one of the walls. Um, and um, a a call for proposals on RFP will go out here in the in the next little bit and I think it'll be a great mural to have. I think the grocery store is a really good mural.

I love that one. I love that one. And that's that's sort of a 250th. I mean, it's like the whole thing. They're trying to come up with an idea that doesn't conflict with that one because that one's really unique. I just don't want to duplicate it. So, I think the the the total amount that we're putting out there for for the work will attract some really interesting proposals. Yeah. So, excited about that. And I think too the Aaron was going to send out those who have applied or created murals previously for other you know so hope there and to have some awareness of what else we have already subject matters and so that we do have variety but it's that 250th anniversary.

Yeah, I agree. Yeah. And I also want to thank uh Chief uh Thompson for allowing us to come to the fire ops. up. That was very enlightening to better understand all of the training that our our firefighters have to go through and the equipment. And just putting a training program um together like that in a facility takes a lot of effort uh to improve and and ensure that our um public servers are uh up to ready to to serve our our community. So that's very important. Thank you for doing that. and their willingness to put up with our ineptitude.

Yeah. Well, we did have to sign the waiver at the beginning, right? So, to be part of that training, well, that concludes our council business. We'll move on to our action items from tonight. And I think Russ, are you taking over this first one for us? I am. Perfect. So, we'll move on to our resolution 26-10, which is our CBDG annual action plan.

Good evening, council. I am filling in for Amanda tonight and going over the annual action plan for year 2026 community development block grant. Uh just a brief recap. Uh 36% of our award $54576,000 is for 88 ramps. So that's the the largest portion nearly 200,000. Uh community needs comes in at about 15%. So some bus stop murals, uh senior nutrition totals just over 80,000. And then housing uh land acquisition at 130 and then some Sunshine Terrace residential rehab at just under 30,000. administration totals about 20% at just over a 100,000. The questions um last time mainly revolved around the land acquisition and taxation. We have some answers for that. So since they are a nonprofit uh organization uh the land will not be taxed um but the homeowner will be taxed based on the structure. So when you receive your property taxes, it's broken into two categories. There's a land value and a home value or structure value. So um the land value would not be taxed because of the nonprofit status. Um the other stuff happy to go over or just answer any questions at this point. Any questions for Russ before we open up for public comment? Seeing none, we will this is a public hearing.

So any members of the public who have any comments on resolution 26-10 are welcome to come to the microphone, state your name, city of residence and take 3 minutes or less. The time is now the public's seeing no mad rest for the microphone. We will close the public hearing and bring it back to the council for further discussion or I'll entertain action. A motion. I move we approve resolution 26-10. Second. Any further comments or questions before we vote? Seeing none, all those in favor of approving resolution 26-10 as presented, please say I. I.

I. Any opposed? Resolution P610 passes. Thank you, Russ. And we'll move on to Russ again. Um, and we'll take you to our probably our big one for the night, our general plan, resolution 2609.

Yes. Thank you, Mr. Chair. So, the general plan, uh, I'm going to give a quick kind of recap and then we have Cody Ferguson, our lead consultant on the phone tonight. So he'll be available for questions, comments and um so yeah this is uh been about 16 months. We've conducted numerous workshops uh stakeholder meetings interviews uh gathered over 300 uh survey responses. We've done a lot of public outreach over these 16 months. We've uh gone over several drafts and had numerous revisions. Um the draft that is in the packet went through planning commission about 3 weeks ago and they had suggestions for changes. Uh we talked extensively about fourth north and what maybe possible changes could be made to the future land use plan on that corridor. Uh there were a few options there shown and that's the general plan. So it's a framework plan. It's a vision plan. This is not law or code but it helps to shape future law and code. So, having said that, uh, Cody, are you on the line and available to um make some comments and and talk just a little bit more about the the plan?

Sure. Yeah. Could you guys hear me? Okay. Yes, sir.

Yeah. Um, yeah. Thank you, Russ. And, um, it's, uh, I'm happy to be here tonight, uh, Mr. Mayor, members of the municipal council. Um, yeah, I think, um, I mean, you guys have seen the draft. Um, you've been part of a workshop. Um, we've had countless as as Russ said, I shouldn't say countless, we had many workshops um and many opportunities to work this plan draft um over with the public um and and take in comments. Uh the one thing I will just point out about the plan, the plan that you have in front of you um meets all statutory requirements in the state of Utah, including uh the required elements that the state requires. Um the modern income housing plan update, water use and preservation element and addresses transportation connectivity. Um as Russ said, you know, the plan is not regulatory, but it's the foundation um upon which regulations um are are are based. And so um you know the next step will be to take the vision and the goals and the recommendations and then to start to start to translate those uh into actions to achieve the the vision that was identified and articulated um through the public process um and put into the plan um including uh updating zoning. So I think um with that um I I will just turn it over uh back to you guys. If you have questions, I'm available and and happy to answer anything I can answer.

Any questions for Cody at this time? Okay. Other than I hope he speaks a little more slowly. Couldn't hear because I don't know that everybody could get everything. Yeah. Okay. Thanks, Cody. Stay on the line. There may be questions after the public hearing. today.

Any questions for me at this point or clarifications? I there was a lot of data on that first slide, but there's there was just an incredible amount of work that went into this and opportunities for the community to be a part of this. It is the community. it is his city's plan. And so I just I really appreciate all of the work and time that has gone into this from Cody and his team. They've really been great to work with and their team. So I I would just it if you haven't heard of this plan before today, you've been maybe under a rock under this because I feel like if there's one initiative that city of Logan has done everything it can to get folks involved and engaged and provide input, um they I think we and that's really credit also to Cody and his team to, you know, facilitate that. So,

they really did a lot to create a lot of opportunities for people to engage in different ways, not just one way. Lots and lots of different ways to engage. So, I feel like they did a really good job with that. So, and Russ and your staff as well. How how many neighborhood meetings have I been to when your entire staff has been there until 8:30, 9:00 at night? So, thank you. Any further questions for Russ before we take public time? I have one question. The draft has a question for you, Genie. The draft has the future land use plan as drafted here. Are you happy with there are some alternatives we're going to talk about? I know. Do you want to talk about that after public comment?

Or do you want to talk about that now? Russ, what do you think? I don't know exactly.

Yeah, I'm happy to go over these again. So last time I showed three options for the fourth north corridor. First is the base option which you see here which is the high density and the medium density behind. Uh so high density is the darker almost maroon color and then the orange is the medium density. This is an option that um keeps the higher density at the two traffic lights on 600 East and 200 East and would also allow for mixed use to create kind of a node option. And then the medium density for the middle blocks in between and then it it allows for more of a step down to the north and the st south. The key with this option is the density along Fort North has to be high enough to incentivize and realize redevelopment. Because when a developer comes in and has to, you know, buy four homes, demolish the homes, and then rebuild, he needs enough density to do so. But with our land use designations, there's some flexibility. So, this just sets out some ranges and and these designations do not um directly reflect a zone district. So, for example, the lighter yellow will likely have three or four zoning districts. Right now, we have NR2, NR4, NR6. Um we we may change those a little bit, but there'll be multiple zoning districts. So, it's the same for the medium and the high. Um, so I think if if the zoning district for those middle areas is

somewhere between 20 and 30 units per acre, that will be enough to actually spark redevelopment. Um, and so I I think this plan could realize um a a a redeveloped corridor. It also gives us the flexibility to create maybe one, two, or three mixed use zones. um or it also allows us to look at an overlay in the future and apply an overlay to the zoning map. So what's C Z is that C is saying it should be done in an overlay. Yeah. Um with with the base zone

because I as I said at the last meeting I believe that this is a gateway to both Utah State University and Logan Canyon. and as it redevelops, we need to do the best possible job we can because we're only going to get it once and that's a 50-year decision. And so I really feel like it's a prime spot for redevelopment, but it also needs to be thoughtfully done. And as I told a student yesterday when she talked about mixed use, I think sometimes we I am not opposed to mixed use, but I want us to make be careful how we it's all in the definition. And so

I think that we have to if we if we designate it as a planning area, we can more carefully consider how we want that mixed juice end up looking not not visually so much as looking um what what's the right word for it? I don't know. But conceptually, I guess

yeah, the overlay can deal with more of the design features. Maybe it's materials, maybe it's form um and then the base zone would have the density and and those kind of things. So, yeah, you can certainly tackle the issue in that manner. Would you like to see staff maybe bring some proposals or explore changing mixed use a little bit? Is that kind of what you're saying? Well, I want to get through this first. Yeah, but I mean I mean after after this, but it's like we could we could we could open that up and take a look at that. I think it's important for us to constantly explore how we can get it better because we've certainly been able to and we'll be looking at a lot of our

I feel like I've heard that from you a couple times, Genie. For sure. It's like, yeah, let's let's open it up and take a look at it. if we can redefine that so it fits more what we're looking for. Right. I think that's critically important for us as much as we possibly can. We are limited somewhat by what the state will let us do. But if we're approving this tonight, but we decide to go with option B or C, can we approve it with that change or would it need to come back in two weeks to change out the flow?

So, there's two options. You you can vote and approve it tonight uh contingent upon any changes that you recommend. Um or we can uh take the list of changes, package this up and bring back the complete final draft which you would vote upon in two weeks. Um are there other changes that we need to know about? So yeah, let me let me go through that list really quick. um the planning commission list and this was um gone over last meeting but and there was that one other piece that we changed the future land use plan for that was on South Main. Yes. So

so here's planning commission changes. Uh, I'll start from the bottom and and the flop north corridor as well as that south highway 89 L Grand Street. Um, red to green. And some of these are typos. Uh, there was a typo on page 136. Uh, we added a couple of words to Logan River system conservation efforts. Uh, we added some community design for dark dark sky friendly policies. uh community design for um summer tourism specific to senior citizens. Uh can you explain that one just a little bit more when you get done?

So again, it's a general kind of objective to target more uh programs, activities, events to our summer citizens that come up to hopefully from warmer areas. Arizona is probably the larger uh group, but um just things that that are targeted to them and maybe there's downtown programming at the plaza. Um but we just thought it should be mentioned here because they're a pretty large part of our population for 3 months during the summer. Um and we just hadn't mentioned them anywhere else. So, um that was added. Uh some language about the rec center. uh language about including animal control and animal services to the police section. Um and then there was a mapping error um for Denzel Stewart Nature Park. Um it should be a green rather than a purple color or wait it needs to be a purple color. So that's what planning commission recommended. There's what eight nine recommendations there. So, do we prefer to have these adjustments as well as if we want to determine an A, B or C on the fourth north and or vote on it.

I think let's do public comment. See if the public has unless there's more questions. I just have the council has and I would like to see what if they have input on North before we dive into Absolutely. So, okay. Um, on community facility goals, going to mention that we got Did they was planning commission adding a senior center as something new or adding a senior center as what already exists that's county run? U, let me flip to that page really quick. It's page 91. Yeah,

don't email. So I think it was just under that administration first page for those little bullet points. Yeah. And add an additional bullet point for the the senior center there. I think the county has an interesting recommendation for future senior citizen centers, not just single in the future. So, well, it's probably we're probably big enough to warrant having more than one more than one. Yeah. So, I think there's a It sounds like it's more about acknowledgement. There's been a good discussion of of expanding that.

But that's really not our same. No, right now. But it's likely that we would have a new one here in Logan, which I'm guessing the same as for the rec center where yeah, it's both some sort of language in the plan recognizing that there's a current uh or a need for one need. Yeah. For or potential need, you know, for growth and that's aligning with the rec center discussion very well. So, so having it represented in the plan, it's my that's

you're right on. And since we're about to go to public comment, I just want to go ahead and recognize that um we did get an email from Hillary who is advocating for uh some rewarding of a paragraph regarding the North Logan um river or the Little Logan River, sorry, the north branch of the Logan River. And it's a change for a proposed change for page 108. Um,

I don't know if you want me to read it, uh, Ross, or I think he was included as well. We made changes to page 108 after our neighborhood meeting and the second draft that included the north branch of the Logan River. It used to say historic canals. Um, Hillary made a similar comment at that meeting. Um, and I I feel like the changes that we made at that second draft address those in my opinion. I agree.

This is page 108. It' be the top right. Yeah. It now says the north branch of the Logan River. Well, it also looks like her recommendation was really um if I'm if I looked at this correctly, um comparing current to recommended is where it already says the 10 canals flows through 13 public parks and recreation areas including and list out a number of these where they aren't listed currently. She has two recommendations, a long one and a short one. Yeah. And and then the the bottom one's what how it's currently written. Okay.

I don't I don't know that that's necessary like what they I don't think we need to list every park. Yeah. Personally either. Um but this is also her recommendation is to add Logan River system on page 27 which was added the last bullet point. So that was added at planning commission that Logan River system.

Can I go back? Cody, are you still there? I don't have a problem. 13 parks. Could you could you talk a little bit about the role of community facility goals in the Logan City general plan in terms of is it a sorry this one

I'm I'm having a little challenge with adding the rec center other than we want to I mean it's it's a it's a countywide effort to have a rec center not necessarily necessarily just a Logan City effort and the senior center is much the same and I so I don't know whether it fits as a goal or is it just a resource.

So I'm I'm a little confused about that. And I have some question about community design. If we're adding specific to one population group,

we haven't added anything specific to the students that are here in the general plan. So I don't know why we would target one specific population group. So Jeie the um the goals that uh you know for for each of the elements or each of the chapters. So community facilities and infrastructure for instance um those you know essentially were derived through the process from um things that we heard during um our initial reconnaissance stakeholder meetings, community surveys, workshops, etc. um and then the visioning uh workshop. And so um even though something like you know a community facility that may actually ultimately be developed in conjunction with other partners whether it's the county or other municipalities that might contribute to it or you know in some case um you know partnerships with non-government governmental entities um those I think I think it's entirely normal for those to be in a general plan as a goal um in terms of how you know how the city implements that um that becomes you know but that becomes more complicated I think in the implementation right um and what what the city's actual role is and of course part of that implementation will be and and this appears in many recommendations um will be you know actively collaborate coordinate um partner right with other jurisdictions um to achieve such and such goal so I don't think that that is necessarily irregular. Um, community facilities and infrastructure is somewhat different in that it plays kind of two roles. One is to kind of, you know, snap a chalk line for where the city is now in terms of its infrastructure, community facilities

and public services and then provide guidance in concert with um many infrastructure plans and community facility plans that are already in the works. um some of which are you know at the municipal level or some at state DOT and and county level um to provide services to the residents um within the city. And so um community facilities is one of those chapters that actually is a little bit is a little bit different. Um transportation is probably the next closest in terms of uh where you get kind of a similar dynamic at work. Um so I don't think it's irregular, you know, to call up those specific things. Um I I think in terms of community facilities and public services, the need for a recreation center um surfaced uh kind of rose to the top multiple times um throughout the community engagement process. Um in terms of you know identifying specific actions specific to one group of people, uh I don't think that that is necessarily irregular. Um and it really is kind of up to the city and the community how um it deals with that. Right. So um Logan obviously is a you know it's it's a town that has a large university presence and influence um considerations for how that how that important portion of the population um in Logan, how they how they live, access to housing impacts on transportation, all those things. um you know that's that should have a place in the plan. Uh but just you know just because we call out for instance services to seniors and building a senior center or or um or any any one group doesn't necessarily necess necessitate calling out um or or you know having an equal um amount of time

or or recommendations um to to another group or other groups to balance it. I don't I don't know that that I I think it has more to do with kind of like where do we see the needs line, right? Um and I would say that and I think somebody maybe maybe Anderson brought it up um if I heard right, you know, for a town of Logan size um potentially, you know, it could have not one but two senior centers. Um, and I do think that, you know, as the community ages and we have this population, the summer population, which, you know, is an interesting offset, um, to the student population in terms of kind of balancing out population, somewhat similar but different demand for services on the city. Um I think I think it is you know worthwhile to um put some thought into um whether or not their needs are being met or um whether or not we need you know special attention in terms of providing recommendations for making sure their needs are met. So, um, you know, that isn't I know that we added I believe we added some language about aging in place that was more focused on um um seniors who who may want to downsize and not necessarily the community because because of lack of options. Um I mean I think it's really up to the city whether whether you think that there's sufficient um a sufficient need to address um you know the needs of some residents you know to the point to put to put a portion in the plan or or if like other residents their their needs are being met by the recommendations that are already there. Um, so he kind of I know that's I know that's completely unsatisfi unsatisfi

unsatisfying an answer to me. Um, but really it's kind of it's kind of up to the city. There's no there's no one rule on this. Um, yeah. So Cody, let me jump in uh and discuss student population for just a second because if you go back into the demographic and you look at actually there's an entire page dedicated to our student population and it's obvious to most everybody that the university is a major part of our city. And so I feel like the students have have they're they're woven into every different chapter when we talk about housing, when we talk about transportation,

they're they're considered. I guess the the comment at planning commission was the summer summer senior citizens are a little bit unique. Um and they just it it's not mentioned anywhere. And so it felt like we need to mention that we need to maybe, you know, strategize and and create some goals or objectives that that better, you know, suit some of their needs. Yeah. Because most of what happens with them happens between the university and the visitors bureau. Yeah.

And that's where all that programming happens. So, I didn't know how it really why we really needed to call it out as a goal. That's my only question. I just don't, you know, I'm not going to die on that hill for any recommendations and you could certainly eliminate that if you all feel that it doesn't warrant any kind of, you know, special attention. Well, like I said, I won't die on that hill. I just was curious what the what the thinking process was that put it in there. I don't have a strong opinion one way or the other personally on that

portion.

I don't either. To me it's if under community design there's currently one goal um which is preserving its historic structures and ensuring new development complements the city's built and natural environment. Um and so I I don't know if there was a lot of discussion and interest around more summer tourism more broadly as a you know um from a goal standpoint um summer citizens being a subset of that you know um

and I so that and and it does but I'm not I don't know I I wouldn't recommend putting it in here just because unless we know there was a lot of discussion and interest about inclusion of a um you know in as part of community design that we're we have an interest in supporting summer tourism and thinking about that in some strategic way or ways as a city. So um and again I think with summer citizens being a subset of that

you know the tourism strategy and it's outlined on page 110 is we dubbed it as a nature-based tourism and when you think about Logan you probably don't think it's a tourist destination but it is kind of a tourist corridor. We have a lot of folks that go to Bear Lake, Yellowstone, Hardware Ranch, and those are those are nature based a lot of nature based. We have a vibrant arts community and we do we we have some festivals events that that draw folks as well. Yeah.

And I think there is some desire and there has been I I think if there were a loss of some of the summer programs and things that draw people here that could be that would be viewed as a real loss too. But I my concern is just I don't know if we should be at this point adding into this goals a community design around an interest in summer tourism if that has not over the last what 18 months two year you know this is if that has not been a thread that's been coming through discussions from our citizens and through us then at this point is that real like I it doesn't seem to be something substantial enough that we should be adding it in.

Let's do it. Add it in or not? I'm not Are we going to get to public comment by the way? I'm willing to go to public comment. Maybe we should. Would you like to go to public? I would love to hear the public. Let's have public comment. Okay, let's do it. Cuz

this is a public hearing. So, anyone from the public who wishes to come up and share their thoughts on anything in the general plan, anything we talked about, or anything related to the general plan, which is a lot of things, uh, you're welcome to come to the microphone, state your name, state your city residence, and take roughly 3 minutes or less, and the microphone is now yours. I gave them roughly three minutes because we've taken way longer than our aotted time tonight. So, might as well.

I would like everybody to be aware that the puck drops at 7:30 tonight for Utah Mammoth. So, let's start talking. There are more priorities to do in this state than sit here and banter over this stuff. Okay. My name is Christy Kulie and I am here today. It's been a hot minute since I've been to council meeting. So, I am grateful. We're happy to see you.

I am grateful to be here. I need to come and hang out more often. Um, thank you very much for all you do. I'd be uh very um sad or uh discouraged with myself if I didn't give my gratitude for all you do. I have served on a similar board as you all have and I know there are many many many many hours that you put in on behalf that we are not aware of. I am here today to give my um thanks for your acknowledgement about our little tiny area on the map um going from commercial to green um which is uh open space. Um, I was thinking earlier today as as I actually walked down the hall to pay my utility bill and I thought, "Wow, 45 years ago, um, it was it was Mayor Nicholls and New Danes who made the decision to change our neighborhood from a far beautiful farmland into a neighborhood and how 45 years ago they probably thought, "Oh, this is a brilliant idea. We love it. Let's bring in a neighborhood." Well, 45 years later, we don't realize the impact of that decision. So, I like what you said earlier, uh, Genie, about how this decision is once you got to make this this decision for 50 years. And had they we we could reroll that and go back 50 years ago, we probably wouldn't make Country Matter neighborhood because we know we're going to flood. So, we're grateful that you're taking the initiative to realize that any kind of green space that we can protect around our neighborhood is only going to mitigate future flooding. I've already had to call Paul once this year and we're not even in flood season. We're in drought season and I've already had to call him once because this exact property that you're talking about has flooded twice already. Once had probably about 2 feet of water in it. So, it's going to flood and so we're just grateful, very, very grateful. I tried to look it up on the map and I couldn't see it because it's so teeny, but I'm

grateful to see it on your map tonight that it is switching over and we're very grateful that you recognize that issue and that you're really trying hard to preserve um the integrity of not only our neighborhood but the Gateway Quarter as I agree with the fourth north issue. When you come into Logan, it's such a beautiful vista right there. If you look past Walmart and all the stuff that's around there, you can see the beautiful mountains and just realize how beautiful the valley that we live in. And I'm just grateful that hopefully over the next 50 years that that will indeed stay open space so that we can keep that beautiful vista as well as to uh keep the integrity of our neighborhood from being paved in asphalt. So, thank you very much. And um I do encourage you to get done by 7:30. It's

going be a big ask, but I know my son will be watching that game for sure. Can we put it on the screen behind us? We're going to do it. So, thank you. Yeah, put it on the screen behind us. Thank you, Christie. Any other comments or thoughts from the public? Okay, we will close the public hearing and bring it back to the council for further discussion. I know there's a couple things that uh we either need to kick this for two weeks and and meet with staff once more or a couple things we need to adjust tonight because I know there's a couple around the group that you want to talk about still.

I would uh I would prefer that we kick it for two weeks. Okay. Um, just because I want to read through it one more time and make sure I've Do we want to give staff any recommendations of things that we want to change right now or you'd like to meet with them? Well, this week I would prefer C for fourth North. Okay. To be what is in the plan. I don't know about everybody else, but that would be my preference because it gives us Do we want to discuss options A, B, and C so that Russ has a direction? I support option C because it gives us the opportunity to create a better fourth north corridor than defining it today.

Yeah. Do you think option C it has to be option C or do you think option B could potentially lead to be an option C?

I think option C gives us greater a greater opportunity to envision the entire corridor. without coming up with a preconceived we got two blocks of this and two blocks of this and and just let us envision the whole corridor. So that's that's my opinion. I'm not strongly opposed to that. I do know that we're going to rewrite a lot of our zoning code after this plan, right? And I would assume that we could get 95% of the way there to what you want with option B. I love how moment one of us talks about one of the options, Russ moves between B and C for us. The lines keep appearing and disappearing.

Oh, fun. You are a great assistant over there, Russ. I do. My I think my biggest concern and I it's not that I want to hand forth North to developers and, you know, let them take us for all their worth cuz I don't. But I I do think some change in that area is worthwhile. And I worry Yeah. Yes. I want to restrict and make sure it it works for our city, but I also don't want to restrict it so much that nothing changes. Well, I think AB that would be why I would say C because it has the option to be more than B. It can be more nuanced. It can be

right. Right. It gives you some flexibility where you know I my understanding is the reality is this this area this isn't going to happen at one time right so all right so if it unless you know someone with a lot more money I'm just I'm I'm stating some of the obvious mistake of I know this

for the public so um knowing that these are going to be done on block by block you know lot by lot. Um let's say on you go the it starts on the west side. I'm just making this up as an example. you make that development based on the current mixeduse um z you know those changes are made that development created and then there are some density issues that are happening elsewhere that are impacting um if that was successful or not. And you're not then stuck with that exact plan for the rest of you can go back and say oh well or the finishes or the it gives you it just gives you knowing I mean that whole thing might take 20 30 40 years and how you think about each of those may change once you have once each of those are developed. Is that not

Ross? Give me your pros and cons on C versus B. Give me your expert. Yeah. I mean, honestly, either way is fine. C is going to require a little bit more effort to craft that overlay language, that overlay regulation. Um, but I don't think we're in a hurry to adopt a zone change on this corridor. Do you worry the overlay might be too restrictive? That's what I was thinking. Is it discouraging development? Is it going to discourage it? Yeah. It all depends on how it's crafted and how it's adopted. It could be discouraging. It could be too restrictive and and that will have to be debated because ultimately I think we want to encourage redevelopment.

But to Jeanie's point, we don't want to make regrets that we have to live with for 50 years because when you develop something, it sits there, you know. Um, so I mean that's a debate we'll have to have. Um but the overlay again can look at form and and material and more aesthetic. Um and then this can can establish a base density to where a developer can say look I can I can yield 30 units per acre. Um I I think I'm going to be able to make this work and then we'll figure out if it's red brick or yellow brick. Well, and we can also and not a paneer or gra.

Not a veneer. It's a solid thick grape. And I think we can also do things like rear loading or encourage underground parking or, you know, we can we can create some quote unquote incentives that might not be written into the specific code today that I think could be valuable in the long term for this court. And I completely agree with you. I think my I think my biggest concern is and I know it was half a joke or maybe it was half a joke but if we start going out saying it has to be brick not brick veneer and it has to be underground parking not level parking. No, no, no. I said it was an incentive.

An incent, right? But if we the more we restrict it, the more we push a price, the more difficult it is, but also the more expensive it is to live there after it's built. But I don't think that seems those costs. No, it's not. But that's But I do worry Well, the more control we give government, the more restrictive government wants to be over things. And I I don't think we should give them all of it obviously, but but I just it just makes me hesitant. Every change is expensive because it needs to be affordable to live in. It needs to be affordable build, but it also needs to be affordable to live in after it's built. If

it just makes me nervous. I'm not opposed. I'm just Well, you can trust us in the process because we're going to make trust. I was going to say if if we did C, it would be quick enough for us to be the the body that actually sends that over. I think we can work on it and do it. But the next body can come in and change it. Future us like even if we write the code, who knows? Unless we do it really well and everybody thinks it's good, perfect. But is true, but they can still change it. and and but just to go back to the intent of this general plan, it is to show intent and goals

and it is not saying I don't I don't think it it it gives authority you know that it you know this is because it's X now it has to be Y and 40 I it's intention it is showing This at this moment in time is our best understanding of how we collectively envision the future of where we want to go and and that is not overly prescriptive and I don't think that this is overly prescriptive in that context.

Yeah. Just because it's shown on a flop doesn't automatically entitle a property to a higher zone. It has to go through a reszoning process. And we asked the question, if you're doing an overlay zone at some point for this, you would do an overlay zone for the whole area. Correct. So, you would be reszoning it at some point as a unit to do that overlay zone rather than reszoning it as development comes through. Correct. Yeah. And this flood calls out for numerous reszones throughout the city. It's just a matter of when and and and is that appropriate. This is just a more conceptual reason, you know,

in the future. Feel like I'm playing devil's advocate more than I necessarily intend to. I just have a few concerns. you're totally entitled entitled to your I I don't see it as um uh not and somehow not incentivizing potential development interest. Um, what I see it as is the city's recognition of the importance of this corridor and by notating it in this way that there is a attention, you know, that we want to pay to it.

You've been awfully quiet over there. I'm just curious your thoughts. Um, not necessarily have someone to back me up. I'm just curious your thoughts. I think I could support uh proposal C if we tackle what the overlay will be in the next couple years. Um and to your point, yeah, another body, another council could come and redefine what that overlay and that will be representative of the people who elected them. So I think I trust us to do the best we can at this moment in time. So

So is it okay for him to put C in there for us to vote on next time? Sure. Put it in. Okay. As far as the other changes that were outlined by the planning commission, how do we want to handle it there? Because there were the few other ones that you mentioned that I um Well, I just wanted some clarification on why we decided to put that in there. Yeah. Um, I'm perfectly I would I would like to just um in community design I would probably just add what you suggested summer tourism and not specifically the summer citizens,

right? Um those dang old people. How do we feel about I mean the dark I have one I think the dark that's why I was over here wondering why Die was going after the old ones you know I think I think the dark sky is probably an appropriate goal for us at some point inappropriate no okay I was like I thought I thought that seemed that might be who I might end so that one seemed appropriate to me and um and then on page 91 with the rec center and senior center. Well, I just that was explained pretty well, so I'm fine with that.

So, do you feel Russ you've got enough comments from us as far as what these I got. So, 18 months and he's like, here we go. I just want you to be feel like you all have enough to craft whatever those these changes are to reflect what we discussed so that lengthy discussed. Yes. in two weeks we can. So I would move that we we have further discussion. Sorry. Sorry. The last thing I'd like to hear from Craig um on the proposal that Hillary sent. Did you get this email?

Um I'd like to to hear if there are any legal implications to the language that she used. She emailed to you. Uh you'll have it in a moment. Thank you. Sent it. Can we would it be okay if we discuss that? Do you want to discuss that now or do you want to just table that for the two weeks? Well, if we're going to discuss it two weeks, then we might as well discuss it right now, right? Well, not digest it. I thought you were that fast. So my

I will still move that we continue the decision on the general plan for two weeks pending the changes that we've discussed and the opinion of um the attorney regarding the email that we received. Do you want to continue with without public hearing? Um without as far as I'm concerned. I'll second. Any further discussion or concerns or comments before we call a vote?

To clarify, we're voting to continue resolution 26-09, the general plan to May 5th as an action item without public hearing. All those in favor, please say I. I. I. Any opposed? Motion passes. uh continues. We will see it in two weeks. Scratch that from the public record. Motion passes. Motion passes to continues. I guess mot the resolutions continued. You guys need to vote something down once in a while so that I Thank you, Cody. Yep. Thank you all. We'll talk to you soon.

We'll see you in two weeks. We have one more public hearing. This is resolution 26-11. Uh, and this is a budget adjustment and I'll kick it over to Rich. Thanks, Russ. It's a request to appropriate 200,000 of financial assurance funds that the city has called back to correct some issues with the Lloyd Estate subdivision. We have received the funds. So, the request is to appropriate those toward those construction improvements. Will they pay for the improvements that are needed?

Most of them. Is is our crew doing the work or are we hiring out of contractor? I believe we're hiring people to do it. You don't have to run. We'll just smile at you as you walk up. I'm here. How are you? For the record, Darren Har, the engineer. I missed your question. Are we planning to have our crew do this or contract it out?

So, we are going to contract it out. Um, we're also going to contract, we're we're short a staff engineer right now, so we're actually going to contract out some of the um assistance and helping to do the work. So, that's where we're we're a little bit worried about how much we'll be able to do. There's some things like a retention basin isn't right that we need to get fixed. And then there's other things like a piece of concrete curb is chipped. And normally we would have a developer fix those chipped pieces, but maybe we accept those if we don't have the funds. Potentially we could I uh go after the developer for additional money. That's going to be difficult. I think maybe a bankruptcy. I'm not sure. But it seems like there's not a lot of money left over

or a willingness. Yeah. Or a willingness. Correct. But you know, the only thing that I worry about is I assume it's houses. Yeah. I don't even really know where it is. Yeah. But um 500 north, 600 northish and like 200 west. 600 north. Between 6 Yeah. Just north of 600 north and 400 300 west. 300 west. Yeah. Not 200. Yeah. Okay. It's unfortunate the city's had to step in and do this, but we're trying to to make it right. Right. And I just don't want I I just hope that we are not in a position where we are not able to do what the homeowners or the people who have purchased property have expected from their developer.

Yeah. Right. Also want to share that I I think I shared an email with um Paul at some point. Uh I got contacted about this because the delays in some of the things that that need to be done like the retention plan actually is impacting the ability for mortgages for for to qualify for mortgages. So if we could prioritize the ones that the improvements that need to happen that would kind of facilitate uh home ownership. Yes, exactly. ship and safety and our I mean safety is our primary

realm that we want to make sure we want to make sure things are safe. Home ownership is is also high up out there. Um so there's ADA uh conditions that weren't met with what was constructed. So we need to definitely address those ADA issues. The ponds that's for both the homeowners as well as for safety of of the residents. making sure that that water is disposed of up appropriately, managed appropriately. Yeah. Don't dispose. That's that's going to be our our top tier goals and we'll see how much more we can do from there. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you, Darren. Appreciate it. Any further question or comments before I open it up for the public hearing?

I'm sure we have a rush of people to comment on this one. Yep. Uh, with that, we will open up the public hearing for resolution 26-11. If you feel like you'd like to comment on this, you're welcome to come to the microphone, state your name and city of residence, and take 3 minutes or less. We'll make eye contact with the four people in the room. Um, seeing no one, we will close the public hearing and bring it back to the council for either further discussion or a motion. I move we approve resolution 2611. And I'll second the motion. We have a motion and a second. All in favor, please say I. I.

I. Any opposed? Resolution 26-11 passes. We'll move on to our workshop items now. Our first one is from Russ Aino with Parks and Recreation. Resolution 26-12. We got cemetery and park fees and then some. And council. Um, I was getting the evil eye from the dugout over here. So, I'll expeditiously but as thoroughly as you would like me to. I can ask a lot of questions if you want to. Yeah. As as the hulies reminded us, you have 15 minutes. So, I want to miss the puck drop. They laugh.

I know. Well, it's getting close to like a puck drop. So, I know, but you know, the first 15 minutes aren't that exciting. That's not that exciting. That's true. All right, Ros.

Take us away, please. Parks and Recreation Department is proposing to increase uh certain fees in our department. Um and they're reflected in the uh resolution that's been prepared for you. There's three um separate exhibits that are attached as part of the uh resolution. Um and I'll just go right to those. Um, exhibit A is in reference to Logan River Golf Course and the proposed increase in fees shown in exhibit A pertain to punch passes uh and golf cart um fees. And you see there in your packet the current fee and the fees that we are proposing to um move those current fees to. Um we also have listed in that exhibit uh comparisons with other courses around the state uh in terms of what they offer uh in comparison to the fees that we are proposing. Um with that to uh should this be approved to move forward into the May public hearing. Uh in the case of exhibit A, we are proposing to have those fees be effective May 6, the next day um after the the next upcoming public hearing.

Have we put out any Excuse me. Have we put out any notification that we're planning to do this to uh our golf patron? Not yet. Um we want to get a feel for uh things from tonight um tonight's workshop um before we move forward, but we think that that would be appropriate so that people knew that we have um potentially a change of fees and 24-hour notice would be pretty short. Send you're going to sell a lot of punch passes between now and then. Yeah, we probably it's a good way to inspire, you know, purchases. Yeah. To promote that the price is going up, you better buy. So, yeah.

And if you'll recall, and this was part of the u uh change in um the golf cart lease, which uh ends this month, and the new carts that were purchased. So the the long range plan is to uh develop the revenue so that in 3 years time we can replace what we're currently using now because unlike leasing it we own these cards and we want to be in a position to be able to resell those replace the cards um in that period of time and that starts with putting this uh fee structure strategy in place. um moving to exhibit B. Um this is field use fees um that we currently have in the department and they're broken into um these categories that you see under exhibit B. Um baseball and softball field use and the variations that we have there current fees and the proposed fees. Likewise for soccer field use. And then um we have a category that we refer to as large group use. Um and we've seen an increase over the last two years of requests for large grass areas for uh events that require uh approval through the special event process. And uh that process has also kind of also reminded us of costs that are associated not with other departments although there could be depending on what the event is but certainly within our department and namely it's um uh having a person available for restroom services to open maintain and close it. And then also the trash that's generated from these events uh which we get build for um through our budget uh for um park maintenance

and um and you see the current fee and the proposed fees there. When were Sorry, can I interrupt when were those current fees instituted?

Um we've had what has been referred to as special event fees uh for years. Um, and uh, they started at at $50 or $46, I believe, somewhere in that neighborhood. But then as these events have evolved and we've had more of them, um, there's been two things happen. One is we've seen this upward trend of that demand. But the other is is that we're having to distinguish between these kinds of events and events that would otherwise require a street to be blocked. um they may be downtown. Um they would certainly involve other departments. And so there's a distinction between the two. And we're trying to be careful not to use the term event because that's kind of a trigger for um the special events um committee to review that to ensure that whether it's a small event in a park or something larger um that it is meeting the uh requirements uh involved for either one. Um but so we use this large group use terminologies um to kind of differentiate between that and and special events.

Do you know when the like the $85 field use or the $150 large group use when those fees were raised to that point? Um they've been in place for two years. The current fees I think about four years actually. Okay. Two four years. Thank you. Sorry, Jean. So Russ, um when you're talking about large group use, if u my understanding is if it's a large group that for for example wants to be on Center Street, they have to provide garbage and all of that other stuff as well. Correct.

Certainly. And this speaks to that that distinction between the two. There may be an event that would be in a park, but it wouldn't be as large or um so this does not My question is you manage the events on Center Street as well. Correct. We have some that that we're involved with. Right. And so all it says is large gear group use. Is it should we specify that this is a park use? Sure. We we can do that

because I I I'm worried that, you know, it's like you've got a $300 fee here, but then we also have a $500 fee for Center Street or whatever amount of the special event permit. Yeah. And all that other stuff. So, I didn't know. I would I would assume a lot of this though, like my neighborhood's doing a barbecue at West Willow Park in May, and there will be more than 100 people there. And this this would apply to things like that more so than like the events that were on Center Street. But if we don't if we don't clarif

Yeah, we can certainly add a little more language that better identifies it as more um local. Yeah. We want more clarification because I think you know you're going to get those large groups as Yeah. Merlin Olsen. You're going to get them at Willow Park. I don't think, you know, we'll eventually get them out west of town when that park's developed. West side, whatever we want to call it. Outdoor recreation. It needs a rebrand. No one calls it that. I know. No. Where's George? It needs a better still here. Can we rebrand that park? Let's do it. Whatever you'd like. The bike.

The bike people have already come up with the name for the land. Yeah, but I'm not a bike people. I I need a Firefly. We did have a name for it and the the we we got a little push back from the land park was also not a good name for that park. The dump park. We're not calling it dump. Close the dang dump already. It's called the dump park heard dump. So So I think we need a big donor and we'll name it after them. I'll give you 100 bucks.

But anyway, that would be my only suggestion would be that, you know, I understand that we need to to raise those fees because I understand there's a lot of use that goes on and and that there's a lot of cleanup and all that kind of stuff, but and and we'll we can do that for the um the covering too. Okay. I appreciate that. Thank you. Yeah. Um I noticed that the large group use fee is actually higher than everything else every any of the comparables. So you tell me a little bit more how do you land in that?

Uh generally it's based on the number of people involved with desire to reserve a park space. So right now if you for instance if you were to uh uh do a park reservation and it's really a misnomer when when someone wants to reserve the park what they're reserving is the pavilion that's in that park. Now that pavilion has so many people that we've estimated that can be there. Um, and if if people are willing to share all the details with us, we might recommend that, you know, in addition to the pavilion, you may want to consider this green space area or this larger space that we're talking about here. But it's always going to be based on the numbers that people have. and some and I won't say more times than not, but it's been our experience that when we do get estimates from people wanting to reserve, there's more people there than what they're telling us. Um, and so there's still the cost that's involved even though they might say it's under 100 and there's actually 500 that show up. We still have the impact of the restroom, impact of trash, staff time involved. Um but um it's based on how many uh people um that will be there. Either based on what the person that's reserving the location will give us um or if it's been a repeat and they've provided the information for us in the past, we'll know that we have something to go by that will tell us, oh well that fits under this category. So we have only changed the large group use. Do we have a small and medium group use charge? That is not changing.

Right. That is not changing. Okay. Thank you.

Uh and then the the last exhibit which is in regards to the proposed fees for the cemetery. Um you see under that exhibit C um there are 13 different uh service fees that the cemetery has and 12 of those are being proposed for uh increase. The only one that's staying the same is the deed transfer fee. There's really nothing that's changing in regards to that. that will remain at $60 per transfer de transfer. Um and also the fees under exhibit C, it is proposed that the um changes go into effect July 1st of of this year. One thing I want to note in your packet and the attachments because this was brought up by our parks and rick advising board. Um the attachment that we had included on the spreadsheet giving the comparisons to other cemeteries was a sheet that was reflective of nonresident fees. Um what's important to know here is that the city does not have non-resident fee. We have a fee. um we used to have resident non-resident fees and uh it was greatly abused and created a lot more work for staff to differentiate um and uh determine things and so we we represent that as our fee and what I need to include which I will when I revise the other notation that um Jeanie mentioned is the resident fee comparison sheet um so that you can compare that with proposals that we're making here uh for the city cemetery.

I don't think I want to be a non-resident and have to bury someone in Gazville. That's expensive. Don't pick Caseville then. Um other communities in our valley are in the 23 $4,000 range. They are. That's in our valley. Yeah, they are. Yes. Wow. So we are very very reasonable.

Okie dokie. Um, any further questions? No, we're just doing two more questions. If I can go back up to the golf course. Um, how close to capacity are we on like a typical weekday or weekend out there? we know in terms of like how many tea types can we sell versus how many are we selling? Yeah. So, our head pro Jeff's here. Yeah, that's why I kind of looked over your shoulder. Wer recreation superintendent. That's a good question for Jeff. If you don't mind, you can probably answer that. Do you do you know that offhand or if not could you bring that in two weeks? Yeah, I've got a good rough estimate. We're about 80 88% capacity most days. Okay. Okay. Jeeoff, you have to come to the microphone and Sundays.

Come up to the microphone, please. Friday, Saturdays, and Sundays. 100 plus. I keep my tea times at 7 and 8 minutes. Most people have gone, sorry, microphone so the public can hear. Most most people have gone to straight 10-minute tea times, but I go 78 78 78. And the reason why I do that is is because then you end on the quarter, the half, the 3/4 hour. So, it's more consistent as far as the times you give out. It makes more sense than 6:22 or something like that. So, 615 makes, you know, more sense. So, and it gets more and it gets more. So, we're every 7 minutes and then every 8 minutes and then 77. And you're at 80ish 88% capacity. And that's about what you could be I'd probably be 100% if I went to 10-minute intervals. Um,

so we have no shows and and and do you expect this fee change to change that at all? No, I don't. I think I think that it it be unnoticed. I really do. I think that cart fees a dollar fee and then Punch passes are a dollar really early when you think about it. It goes from from 310 to whatever that 330 to 330. Yeah. So it's it's a dollar actually dollar around.

Um and my last question is do you you know the golfers who come in better than anyone else. I feel like I would be a little hesitant to change the fees with like a week or two's notice or less. Do you think that those golfers are going to come in and see the fees change would be a little miffed? Do we need to give them an extra couple weeks to I don't think so. It's like you brought up earlier. I think there's a great Jean brought up a great idea of the punch pass sale and that's what I'll do. I'll put it on the radio and say, "Hey, last chance sale. It's not really a sale, but it's it is but you don't you don't think market?"

I don't think so. I think we do it we do it every spring for some fees. We do every other. It's like this year we're doing carts and punch passes and last year we did green fees and walk-in fees. Yeah. Yeah. So, mix it up a little bit. Yeah. Okay. Those are just my concerns. Was the timeline and and I was just curious on you can turn a concern into a a revenue source too like like Jeie was mentioning. You can kind walk be people to walk in and be like seriously you raised it and like I think most people walk in and say I'm take advantage of the fact that I get it. I've already got my punch pass but I'll go buy another one.

Sure. So Jeff, just for the microphone and for Teresa and for everybody else, would you just repeat what your what Mike originally asked you your capacity when you were sitting? Who are you and what was our our point of sale machine keeps track of that and it's anywhere from 83 to 80% 88% on a given day. I don't think I think 100% is unrealistic when you got no shows and frost and times of year where you're starting earlier and starting later so you're blocking off a little bit different but I think there's last last Friday, Saturday and Sunday I person called me on Thursday night for a tea time on Friday and he said no when's your next tea time and I said Monday at 2. So it was three days. They're hard to get.

Yeah. Yeah. So most most of those are like that. Yeah. You know, Monday, Monday, Tuesdays, and Wednesdays are Mondays and Thursdays are usually your your subtle days, but they'll get busy with the kids getting out. Wait, sorry. What days are your Fridays? Did you say Mondays and Thursdays? Mondays and Thursdays. Tuesdays and Wednesdays is men and a lot. Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. You got to know that info. You're supposed to tell me quietly. I love the fact he's getting into golf. Rich has done a great job. Tutoring them. Thank you, Jeff. Oh, I'm not going to ask you to tutor me. That's for sure. He fixed my chips the other day. He gave me this tip and it's Ask Greg substantially by the my chips were two weeks ago.

You should pay for a team to go to the Rotary golf tournament in June. The golf club should do that. I'm a little player over there. I don't know about that. I think we can talk about it. We can talk about it. No, I'm sorry. Sorry. We're on a tangent. I think everything seems I don't have any more questions. Any more questions for Russ? No. We'll see you in two weeks. Thank you guys. Thank you, Russ. Last one for the night, Rich. It's super short. Make it quick. Let's do it. I know. Resolution 263. This one is unusual, but it's all it's a jumble.

Relatively straightforward. There are just some unusual things this time. First is request appropriate 589,920 for a bank stab stabilization grant that we received. We received funding earlier for design. Now this is for some of the work on Kane Road near the water lab. Request appropriate 21,000 fire department funds toward wildland shelters. Now we get into some that are a little unusual, so I'll take just a teeny bit more time. $340 donated funds toward C youth council expenses. We received these many, many years ago. I went back 10 12 years and they were still sitting there. So this was back to when we were running youth council. We had some very minor donations, but we have qualifying expenses this year. So my request is let's appropriate these so I no longer have to so I don't forever.

I think that's a grand plan. Thank you so much. Uh a request to appropriate 100,000 for risk management of risk management reserves towards center street safety ballards. We've talked about this for a year. It's now time to do the work. The work is actually almost double this amount, but it's coming from the public works budget and then from this management. I said, do you know the total amount of that project? I believe it's like 200ish because I know they're pulling some from the bike ped for the year and then some bike ped capital funds. Yeah. Yeah. The next one's a curious. Yeah.

This one is interesting. So, request to appropriate 2.435 435 million transfer from the general fund to the capital projects fund to accommodate changes in the general fund reserve calculation. So many years ago I had a conversation with the state auditor's office. We have a reserve limit of X. In state law, it just simply says your reserve limit is X percentage of revenue. It does not define what revenue is. So the state auditor's office many years ago said hey transfers many years ago they said transfers shouldn't be included in that calculation. I called them explained that we use transfers as as operating revenue within the general fund. They agreed therefore they should be included in that calculation. Well, because of legislation that was proposed this this past year and the penalties associated with not meeting that those thresholds, I requested again at the state auditor's office just saying, "Hey, I'd like to confirm again that this is your understanding." And they responded, "No, that's not our understanding. We think it should be it should be something else." Which al also is not in state law. It's not rational or reasonable. It's just their interpretation. But they are the state auditors office. And so

is that your interpretation? Transfers are yeah transfers are not included according to to their definition and they're they're not interested in hearing my explanation this time. So for whatever we will have to move some of our reserve this is anticipating what it'll be at the end of the year. I really don't know what it might be but this is an in anticipation that we will have to move additional funds to our capital. He really doesn't know. He made up this number. We have 50 different projects we could use this for and we'll bring those forward at some future date to but we feel that the state will probably pass this in the near future. We the will also decrease our our reserve. I don't think this is a good thing. I don't think it's good for

I think our reserve is appropriate. It's $20 million which will do about one square block of infrastructure. In other words, if one block crumbled and all the infrastructure around it crumbled, we had one block of earthquake. We're okay if we dollar amount. It's not a percentage of it's a percentage of revenue. It's a percentage of revenue and they're ch and they're wanting it to be. They want it to be I think 30%. I say it was it is 35 and they talked 25 to 30 this year at lunch. Yeah. They want to decrease it. They think we have too much in reserve and the problem is it's like it's a big 20 million sounds like a lot of money but it's not. But it's not. until you realize a fire truck's like it's 7 million months of operating which is nothing 2 million.

So this hasn't passed yet. No, but we're afraid it's going to Yeah, it will next year. It's four hard. They push so hard for it this year. Like we need to work on that.

It's nothing. We will we we will listen. We'll watch. But anyway, that's what that is. Okay. Request 88,222 alcohol enforcement funds. That's our allocation for this year. It came much later than it's ever come before. A request to appropriate 20,827 for police overtime shifts. These are the normal reimbursements that we bring to council. A request to appropriate 47,126 of alcohol enforcement reserves. So, we do have some reserves that are restricted and requesting to appropriate those toward lighting systems for patrol vehicles, which is an a an allowable use. A request to What is a lighting system for a patrol vehicle?

Real big spotlight. Yeah, it's the lighting. But don't they already have it? No. Oh, no. They have to install get the car. We have to put all the equipment on. We don't They don't come. We have to buy new ones. I I always wanted the police package when I was like 16. Apparently, it's not a real thing. Keep going. Keep going. That was a dumb joke that we all wanted. Sorry dealersh. The general public can't go on and purchase police grade like lights. Wheels and suspension.

A request to appropriate 50,240. These are golf course reserve funds toward increased operating costs associated with a longer season of golf along with other things that have simply gone up in price. We do have those reserves, but the request to appropriate those. Uh, and lastly, request to appropriate 13,000 for an EMPG grant, emergency preparedness grant. We have received these each year. Again, this is a little bit late. It's not an EMP. And that is all outside of the ones that we've discussed. Do you have any concerns with any of these?

I don't have any concerns with any of them if they're just a little unusual. Several of them. It's that time of year where we're trying to make sure everyone is staying within budget. So, yeah. Any more questions for Rich? The golf course operations with the longer season cuz you all mentioned ear like since it's self-funded, it's you're just essentially requesting it's out of the golf course reserves to pay for golfer employees who didn't normally have to pay. The weather was so great in March this year. Yeah.

Sure. as long as it takes 20 seconds. Ross just she does our our helps with the numbers and helps Nate Oak with the numbers and she sent me this this note and she said through March 31st the golf course net revenue fiscal year to date is $292,200 more than last year. Last year we made the end of the year we were 370 to the plus and that's $292,000 more. So yeah, we've been open since Christmas. Yeah. Merry Christmas. A few more expenses. Yeah, a few more expenses. Yeah. Any other considerations before we

7:38 almost Teresa? Yeah. I like when I when I run races, I write my times for each five mile or mile increment on my wrist. All right. I need to know. We're behind pace. Dig deeper. Really? The reserves done. Yeah. So close this year. This year, but they put a bunch of stupid end to it.

Like, oh, let's throw this in there, too. Let's throw this. I'm just I'm just curious to look at our golf. I just like if it's if you it's like oh well this is 3 months or like in that context it's like police officers 4 hours they fire I want to drift the