Municipal Council - Regular Meeting

Jeez. We'll call to order the February 3rd meeting for the Logan Municipal Council. Uh, and we will start our meeting with the pledge. And Melissa is going to lead us in the pledge today. I aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you, Melissa.

We will now move to the acceptance of the minutes and approval of the agenda for tonight. Do we need to amend the agenda to for the order? Sure. Yeah. Okay. I'm getting a nod for I would I would like to um change the agenda. Number 11 will come after the close session. So at number 10, we'll have other considerations. We will move to go to close session. We will come back and then we will adjourn. Any concerns with that from anyone else?

And with that change, I will move to accept the agenda and the minutes. And a second. Oh. We have a motion and a second from Melissa. Any further discussion? All in favor say I.

I. Our 2026 regular meeting schedule are the first and third Tuesdays at 5:30 here in the council chambers and our next meeting will be February 17th. Uh our next item on the agenda is the questions and comments for the mayor and council. This is the time for anyone in the public who has questions, concerns, comments or praise for the council and mayor uh to come and take three minutes or less. Um please state your name and your city of residence. Uh and the time is now yours. Josh is coming with praise first. What's that? Josh is coming up with praise first.

My name's Josh Mer. I'm from Logan. Um I want to give you a phrase and I'm going to give you a definition of it. Um and then give a little bit of talk about it. So a phrase is political grooming. The definition is grooming in a political content often refers to manipulating behaviors used to gain trust and influence over individuals or groups typically to um to prepare them for certain ideologies or actions. This term has been used in discussions about how political figures may exploit relationships. Um, I I wanted to get it printed out and give each one of you, but I didn't have time to do that. So, with that, over the past 8 years, I've actually monitored a lot of this going on with the city council and a lot of the things that have happened, especially with um the downtown alliance and how this unfolded. Um the political grooming wasn't very good. I mean there is a purpose for that type of grooming but it was really bad. It was basically the government deciding on everything and a lot of people trying to push back but their voices not being heard. So, um the thing with with the um Logan this general plan that I'm scared of is forces that are in the downtown alliance like this awards group. There are forces in here that were behind the scenes of a lot of what happened there. And I'm fearful that their influence

it will be seen in our our Logan general plan. I want you to be aware of this. It's not a matter it it's a matter you will be somebody will talk to you about what they want done and more than likely it will be a developer what they want to accomplish what they want to do. They'll come to you. I mean, I don't know who, you know, or who's going to come to you or who's going to, you know, but they will because they they are looking for one thing and that's just to make more money. They just that's all they want is more money. And it has caused Logan a lot of problems. So, I want you to be aware of the type of grooming that they are going to use with this plan. um because it's, you know, it's it's cool to plan, but we're talking about a future that um a future that most of us won't even be around to see. And so they want to a lot of times when they put these things together, it's about um buying the future now, purchasing all of it now so they can make money and uh who cares what happens in the future. Thank you.

Thank you, Josh. Thank you.

Hi, my name is Matthew Pawesi and I live here in Logan. And I promise I don't know who did whatever is in that bathroom over there, but I do recommend somebody check it out. And they know that I heard through the grape vine their wastewater treatment facility may be without a janitor now or at least a contracted janitor. So I am uh you know still looking for employment that is in fact breaking loading of crackers and cookies into trucks. So, um, if anybody's interested in hiring as a a janitor or something like that for city facilities, I have a track record of doing successfully so at least for a short time at least for the city or a city at least. Um, and then also, oh yeah, if it's like a third party contracting thing, I was wondering if any of you guys can point me in the direction of somebody that can set up a business license for, I don't know, siblings to work and everything like that and get a job or something like that because it is very tough to get any employment that is uh actually worth anything. I don't know. Sorry, I'm a little bit rambling. Um, I'm working on a game that's working on like trying to turn our local laws into a card game and that way you guys can all play through all of your voting records in real time without having to deal with the real time of things. Um, but I was just curious if hopefully we can start facilitating an imagination towards improving things like our prison labor standards. Um, I don't know. I just it would be really cool if we could start working on these things with the new mayor that hopefully is up to snuff. I don't know. Either way, I'll be hopefully getting myself acquainted with this a little bit more in nuance so that you guys don't have to

answer so many questions so much as uh keep that rubber stamp going. So, uh anyways, thank you for your time. Have a good one. Thank you, Matt. I'll reach out to you, Matt, on a business license. Thank you.

You're welcome. Hi, I'm Linda and I live in Logan. Linda Johnson in case you guys aren't familiar with me. But um I figured with three minutes I might as well say some things. And there's a lot of things that I love about Logan. And as you all know, there are hard things in Logan, too, that are more than just a community session worth of fixing. And I wanted to say thank you for uh voting in those um community centers. I saw the sign for the doughnut shop, which I know Mike was really excited about, and and such. And I love seeing things like that pop up that are meant to draw communities together. I um as I've been here feel like I've been able to find good people um who are willing to help on different levels. I had a flat tire on Main Street which was terrifying today because you guys have all been on Main Street.

I'm glad you made it to the meeting.

Yes, I'm still here. Um, but someone came and they helped me with my flat tire just just randomly. And I'm putting together a STEM fest for my kids at elementary school, Thomas Edison and Nibi. And I asked Mark and he's like, "Yeah, I'll see what what we can do to help, you know, teach younger kids." People on so many levels are willing to donate their time and talents. Um, I love seeing that at the Logan Library and I'm glad that there's resources at the Logan Library to do that. I I would love to see more money maybe put into the recreation center since the recreation center right now is largely unavailable to people and there are so many people in Logan that don't have the opportunity to afford a a larger gym or other things or activities for their kids and I know their programming right now is very limited. Um, I think that's one thing that I would love to see is more opportunities for um, kids. Instead, people are having to go to Nibbly or other places to have their kids involved in a lot of uh, sports and other um, private activities. Even things like dance classes and such, private things are very expensive and they're much more affordable through recreation centers that Logan currently isn't offering to people. So, something awesome and something that hopefully maybe we can talk about. Thank you guys.

Thank you, Linda. I'll reach out to you on that, Linda.

Seeing no one else, we will move along with our agenda and close the public comment portion. Um, no mayor and staff reports today. One quick comment though. Okay. Okay. Um, the 250th celebration is coming up and the city is planning some really great opportunities to get some engagement and some service and some inspiration for our community. Watch in the near future for some really cool things coming out. So, uh, we've got some fun things planned and I think it'll be a great opportunity for us to celebrate together and, uh, hopefully unify some of our community and nearby communities as well, too. So yeah,

I' I've been excited for the energy and plans you've been putting together. I'm super excited. I am super excited. I can hardly wait to announce it. So I'm just like I'm thrilled. So this month, next month, I'm I'm hoping in two weeks. Cool. Yeah, we're getting really close. We'll put a deadline. I got I got to like nail down a couple things. It would be really nice, Rich, if the city had someone who did graphic design, but I know we don't have anybody in that department. Rich can do it in a spreadsheet for you. Yeah. Yeah. Uh Gemini is my new friend. So um no no no uh no advertising uh included in that. Uh but other than that uh no mayor and staff reports but I am super excited to announce what we've got covered. Yeah. So excited to see it.

Yeah. Thank you. We'll move to Genie for planning commission update. Uh the only planning commission item that was discussed is on our agenda. So we will just as a workshop. So we'll just go there. Perfect. Okay, we'll move next to council announcements. Uh, does anyone have anything that they participated recently or something coming up that they wanted to share with each other or the public? Melissa, I have something. Um, the parks and Rick Advisory Board, I attended their meeting last week and they are looking for at least a couple new members. So, two, correct? At least two. Um, if anyone is interested, uh, contact Gloria with the parks and rent department and she will give you the information.

Please. Do you have Gloria's email? Probably Gloria. That I put you on the spotlight. Good guess, Melissa. But that way it's easier for the public to know who to contact. I would guess it would be Gloria Chuanutah.gov. I will let you know if it's something different.

Okay. Anyone else have anything else? I just wanted to share that um last the day after our uh last council meeting, I think it was January 21st, that's when we went to the capitol, uh Melissa joined us for the youth council visit with our uh local officials uh day over there and we were able to spend some time with both uh Jason Thompson, our representative, and with uh Chris Wilson, our senator. and they were great interacting with the the kids, sharing experiences and stories and what they do. Um even um they even got um welcome during one of the hearings that uh they had in the House of Representatives I think it was where Jason was um at. And um yeah, so they had a great time and I think that's probably the highlight of the year for the youth council to be able to go down there as a group, spend some time together, learn something new, and I I'm very happy that we we've been able to support that activity for them.

I'm really glad you guys got to go down. They're really great, too. They had some great questions and they were great. It was fun. Yep. Incredible. It's Gloria. How do you say her last name? So c h a c o n at la.gov. Thank you. Got it fixed. And they need two people. So yeah, I have two things unless anybody else has anything else.

Um I'll just say that I'm going I will be attending the airport authority board meeting on Thursday. Um uh recently at the end of the year we Logan City has um is no longer a part of the airport in terms of funding and we are however still a part in terms of being represented on the board. But um I'll be working with George Danes to try and figure out who the best people would be to have on that board that would best represent both airport users and the community as a whole. So anyway, that's all. Just let us know

how that goes. I have two things and maybe I'm hoping my email is right here so maybe community development can correct me if I'm wrong here, but there are three neighborhood meetings coming up in the next couple weeks that I felt like were important for the public to know about. Um, so I'm going to read dates and times here, but these are all for the general plan. If you're subscribed to the mayor's newsletter or any of your neighborhood emails, you should have already got these, but I always think it's good to pound the drum a little bit on neighborhood meetings because they're a great time to interact with staff and council and the mayor's usually at some of them. Um, and and these ones are going to be specifically around the general plan, but don't forget they're combined. Yes. Well, yeah. So, not just for that neighborhood.

They're not just for that neighborhood. Yeah. But there's they're always open. Even if it's a specific neighborhood meeting, any public member is welcome to join any meeting. But these three are at elementary schools for the general public, but obviously if you're in those areas, it's super convenient. The first one is tomorrow. It's February 4th at Ellis Elementary at 6:30 p.m. Uh the next one is February 11th and that one is at Wilson Elementary at 700 p.m. And then on February 19th at Hillrest at 6:30 p.m. So if you're interested in participating on the general plan and I think is at 6. It's at 6:30. It is 6:30. Alice is at 6:30. That's what the email says.

I've got 6:30 in my calendar. Alice is tomorrow at 6:30 p.m. Okay.

Okay. Uh and the only other thing I had to say is I I was uh visiting some family this weekend and I was talking to my wife in the corner of the room. I had a family thing about uh the audit committee that I attended this past week and uh you know we we were talking about the exciting things of audit committee which my mother then leaned over to me and said, "You sound like you actually like audit committee." And I said, "Yes, I do like audit committee." Um, and then I explained to her why I like audit committee and the fact that so Jeannie and I attended audit committee this past week with uh, Mayor Anderson and it's always nice to go to audit committee because our finance department and our audit committee do a good job and it's nice to see that they're keeping an eye on and making sure it would be stressful if things were not going well. So, I'm appreciative the audit committee going through and making sure that it's nice to read the reviews of the audits you guys do with each department and to know that departments are handling cash appropriately and handling systems and procedures appropriately and it's not a stressful meeting because it's all done well. Um, so that was my like highlight of what I did this week was

but we have to be cautious. We do. Yes. And I also tell my wife all the time that Rich says the same thing she says of well we're in a good position but no you can't spend any money because we always have to be cautious for the future and we never know what the future's going to take. So let's always under plan and be very cautious but we're okay but be cautious but we're okay but be cautious also trust but verify but be cautious is the circle of my life. But you are right and I will tease him over. And that's why we love rich. It is why we like the finance people. We love rich and we're okay with it. He just knows the words. But be cautious. He doesn't know how to add them all. We're not conscious. We'll talk about that afterwards.

I think Rich appreciates his job and wants job security by taking care of the funds that kind of gives him job security. But it's nice to go and sit there and meet with our audit committee and our audit chair and get some outside review, but also know that things are running as they should. So that was kind of my highlight meeting of the week. But be cautious. I second. I second that because they do they do a great job. They do and and it what it's nice to know is that all our departments are doing a great job and don't spend too much because we could make a sticker out of that because you know things are flat which is also true. Okay. Anything else on council announcements before this turns into everyone's making fun of me.

Okay. We already turned into this sticker logo. Um, be like, be rich, be cautious. Um, we'll move now to our action items. I actually like them. And our first action item is resolution 26-02. And I will invite our library director, Michael, to come up. And do you want to just give us a brief overview and then we'll see what questions we have because I know we covered this in depth two weeks ago. Yes, we did. So just give us

So the super short version is the library board has voted to lower our non-resident fee from $163 a year which is based on a cost per circulation model to $125 a year uh with a $10 service fee on top of those transactions to bring it in line with the average residential property tax that's paid by local residents. That was good summaries. Yeah. Do we want to have I know we talked a lot two weeks ago. Do we want to have more discussion now or do we want to open public comment? Do you have questions for Michael? What would the council like right now?

Um Michael, I'm going to ask I don't believe it was ever identified last week. Why now? Number one. And number two um is on other than you wanted to change the formula. Why do you want to change it? So why now? There's no particular time to do it. What caused it was my investigation into the what I was told was the reason behind the $163 a year. So, back in late August, early September, I started researching that and discovered that we'd been telling people that it was based on the average property tax paid. Um, and uh that's not accurate. So, I brought this to the board kind of as a hey, if nothing else, we probably need to explain this number accurately. That led to a larger discussion of do we want to re-evaluate it because that was based on a formula that was is approaching 20 years old and has not been adjusted at all. If the same formula was used and adjusted, it would raise it from 163 to 285, which the board felt was way too high. And through several board meetings worth of discussions came to a hey, let's change it to what we've been telling people it is. $125 a year. Um, and uh, then implement that on the fiscal year so that we can better track how many we're selling and and numbers and things like that. Um, so really there's no particular reason to do it at this particular time. It was just a a series of circumstances that led to us bringing

this to you now. So, I guess you after I listened and ruminated, um, why would you why do you feel or why does the library board, I'll have you speak for them, um, feel that lowering it is appropriate? Why? And why do we always I mean we don't give a definition for other fees. You know if you use the you know we used to use the rec center we don't say you pay $5 because that's how much it costs. That's how much your property tax is. We don't say any of that. We say the cost is $5.

If you play golf we say the cost is X. I will say though on a lot of our like rate studies for environmental those are based on specific those are rates. Sure. Yeah. They're not fees. You have a good point there. So I think there's a difference. There is you're right.

Most of the fees that the library does currently charge. There is a reason behind it. Now 10 cents a day for overds. I don't know what that reason is but but it's kind of just a standard. Uh and I have my own opinions on that. not relevant to this conversation. Um, uh, most of the rest of the fees we charge are basically covering costs for like maker space materials and things like that. So, if somebody asks why does it cost this much, we have a reason that we tell them. And when people come in and we tell them how much it costs to get a library card, we tell them why. We've been inaccurately telling them why, including everybody who told me why. Um, so it my intention in the original research was not necessarily to change it at all. It was to let's tell an accurate story and it it the conversation developed from that report.

Okay. I still have concerns that it lowering the cost and increasing access to outofcity residents could negatively impact our ability to serve our residents with the electronic resources that we pay for because my understanding and I don't know the statistics yet that the majority of County residents who don't have access to a library are using electronic resources majorly. They're not using the Providence Library physically.

And an anecdotally I would say that is because the physical collection size is small. the again anecdotally the people who come to us that I've talked to that staff have talked to about why do they want to get a library card with us it's not the digital resources it's the physical resources because we'll say you know well you could go use the properties library and they're like yeah but they're building is this big and they have no books that's why I want to look at library card I am I but it would be disingenuous me for me to say that the chances of the electronic usage going up is zero there in theory the more card holders we have, the higher those uh the usage is. And we could have a thousand new residents get a library card tomorrow. Those costs would go up and we would be and that usage would go up, but we'd be getting no additional income because of it.

Go ahead. Um, so, um, I it was around somewhere between 6 and 700 non-resident users, right? 650 or so. Well, last year we I'm now working for memory here. Last year, we sold the equivalent at 140 something uh, annual cards. We're not talking hundreds of people. Oh, 140 non-residents, which was the lowest in the last three or four years. Yeah. I mean I think when I spiked during co it's come down. So yeah but I mean so yeah and just to clarify those are household cards.

Those are household cards. And what we did is because we also sell quarterly. So four quarterlys equal one year. So it was equivalent to about 140 years worth of cards. But there could have been a whole bunch there. There definitely were quarterly cards sold in that. these numbers get that's this is part of the reason we want to put it on the fiscal year because it's just a lot easier to track how many we sell in a year when things can go over a year got so the revenue from that's about a little under 18 about 18,000 it's about right y

and I guess where I was going with that is people trying to understand with the proposal of a lower fee um I one of the things I wonder is well two things um with non-residents the the idea of being interested in growing that by lowering the cost. Um is there there there hasn't been a discussion about a plan for how we would make people aware of this if we were to move forward with this. On the reverse, I'm not sure what we currently are doing or if we are currently doing all that we can and should to and make sure our residents know what resources um and programs we are offering. And so I got I was in in my mind I'm thinking we've got this new library we've invested a lot of money into. Um it's pretty new. um are we doing, have we done, and are we going to, you know, think about ways to maximize our resident usage and what are those? And and then relative to the non resident usage, you know, if there's an interest in growing that, um what would be the plan for that irregardless of a a a rate change fee? because my my sense was we want more people to use the library as really what the goal is. And and I think if the goal is we want people more people to use the library, which I think is a good goal, we've got this amazing library and we've got about half of our 45% I think of our residents in Logan have a membership, you know, usage to our library. So, if

we currently have our residents at 45%, what what are what are our strategies and goals for growing that? Um, and then I'll stop after I say I um lowering the cost. I guess I I think like Jeie, I'm wondering how that um how that alone would, you know, is that $38 difference? You have to sell roughly 100 more cards a year to make to make the same revenue off. Yeah. And how how based on the last three years aene is what I came up.

I don't know if that's is that um no one I I don't know how that is going to incentivize alone more non-resident users. I'm not saying it won't. I just that hasn't been explained to us as far as like the thinking around or strategy around that. So, I to me it just feels a little um there's there could be some more considerations um for growing usage of the library that could include changing of fees. I'm not I don't you know that might be but I don't know if that is like the number one discussion or or strategy you know for doing that.

Sure. I I guess my my only response to that is the the this this would not from my point of view in this case I will not speak on behalf of the board because we haven't discussed it from this angle. Um this would not be my primary way to try to increase usage of the library. It it is a very small way potentially to increase the usage of the library. And that's good to because I I wasn't in the context of what we were provided before. I didn't know you know the overall Yeah. Okay. So, that's a small piece. Yeah. Good answer. Super simple question, but can non-residents they gain a membership just so that they can check stuff out?

Correct. Can they use the maker space? Can they use a 3D printers and stuff without a membership? All in building usage of Logan Library resources are available to anybody who walks in the building. We do not cart at the door. Um, so all they would be getting access to is the digital resources and the print collection to be able to remove it from the building. Um, they right now they could come in, sit down, read a book, and give it back to us and they still have used that book. Okay. Any other questions for Michael before we open up the public hearing? Thanks for putting up with all our questions, Michael.

Sure. Yeah. This is a public hearing, so anyone in the audience is welcome to uh take a few minutes. We'll give you three minutes each to come to the microphone. If you would please tell us your name and your city of residence uh and take three minutes or less. The time is now the public's

I got voted first because I'll be shortest. I'm Fitner. I'm a Logan resident and I also um serve on the library board. Um first I want to say thank you for your service on city council and even being willing to you know take this recommendation into consideration. Um part I want to kind of address Jeanie's question. Part of this consideration also started um with the potential closure of the cash valley library. I think that also kind of spurred as Michael came with kind of his explanations about the fee. It kind of spurred on the conversation further as we realized that there might be potential residents in the valley that would have limited access to a library if slash when that may happen. Um, and just a hope as a library, you know, we are library people. We'd probably fling the doors open for anybody. Um, but just a hope to make library services uh for this great library available to, you know, people who may lose access or have limited access. Um, as we've studied the numbers as a board, um, I believe that lowering the fee would be have a very nominal impact on the budget and the limit, um, the effect to the physical and digital circulation would be minimal. Um, we get to serve at community events a lot of times as board members and I've seen people's faces when we tell them the fee and a lot of time it is um, shock and surprise and just kind of almost disbelief that that's what we charge for non-resident fee. Um,

wait. Shock and surprise again. But it's so expensive that it's so expensive. Yes. Just when we, you know, I think they expect a number much lower. So when we say the 163, there's just always kind of this reaction of like, oh, like, well, that's way out of the ballpark for me. So, and truthfully, the 125 will be unaffordable for many still. Um, and it will not include, you know, people in marginalized communities who we know benefit from libraries the most. that 125 will still be out of reach. Um, I realize our proposal of 125 will never be as high as some might deem equitable to taxpayers. Um, and it will never be low enough to be considered affordable to some. Um, so the best that we can do as a library board is try and find a middle ground within that conversation. Um, which I believe we have done. Um, so hopefully we continue to be good neighbors to our community as a whole. Thank you. Thank you.

I know Josh Slaughter from Logan. I'm I I don't know charging at a library. It just I cannot fathom that for some reason. I just it doesn't register about charging for a library. But I understand the the the uh financial bind behind behind that for local city residents. I do support lowering it and I'd love to see it lowered even more because you know there are a lot of people that that can't afford the 125. I know that if I lived out of the city that would be taxing on me. Um and I think we need more people accessing that library. I kind of weigh it out as are we protecting our, you know, our your constituents, the residents of Logan versus um making it so that children can't come and read a book or can't check out a book to read. To me, it's more of a moral base of what to do with the library. you know, it's it's financially, you know, can be draining, but I think that it it's incredibly important that people access libraries. Um, I mean, if I had the choice, I'd love to see every library free for everybody anywhere. So, I support lowering the fees to 125. And if we can in the future, if it works out, maybe even lowering it more. So, thank you.

Thank you, Josh.

Hello, my name is Christopher Shear. I'm a resident of Logan and currently serve on the Logan Library Board. I believe the proposed $125 non-resident cost with a $10 service fee for collection access represents not only the right decision, but the most ethical and just decision the council can make. You have heard another interpretation of the numbers that suggests that not only should we not lower this fee, we should perhaps double it. I am not in agreement with the ideology that this argument represents which is focused on usage and fees per use. Rather, I ascribe to an ideology of access. That is, for $125 a year, every home in Logan has access to our library collection and services. Whether or not a person chooses to use them is a personal decision. The library exists in spite of that decision because it is a public good. By approving a cost of $125 plus service fee for non-Logan residents, we are enshrining access as the governing precept for the Logan Public Library. Not only is this ethical, it aligns with the current philosophy and mission of the library in all other areas. Now, I heard a question put to you in a previous meeting. How will you face your constituents if you lower this fee for non-residents and raise taxes on Logan taxpayers? Allow me to suggest a response if this fee is passed. Non-Logan residents pay the same amount to access the library collection as do residents. In addition, non-residents pay a $10 service charge every time they renew their card. The previous library fee was based on an outmoded and unequitable set of calculations. This new fee is directly related to the average paid by Logan taxpayers for access and the Logan library board is

committed to maintaining that relationship if taxes are raised on Logan residents. This leads me to my final point. The Logan Library Board is a committed and passionate body dedicated to doing the best for Logan taxpayers while maintaining the widest access possible. I know there have been concerns raised about usage of electronic and other resources and demand may well increase if the fee is lowered. However, we are talking about a dynamic situation and this is not assured. If such a situation comes to pass, then the library board working with library employees can look to address and offset any negative effect and this may include revisiting the fee in attempt to reduce access for non-residents. I encourage council members to have faith in the stewardship of your library board. The proposed changes specify that quote policy and associated fees will be reviewed annually by the library board and director unquote. Further, I would commit to introducing a policy change whereby the non-resident fee automatically adjusts according to the average Logan taxpayer cost. If this motion is passed, transparency and access will govern policies related to non-resident fees going forward. Thank you.

Thank you.

Hi again. Thanks for your service as well. My name is David Welch and I'm also a member of the Logan Library Board. Um, I'm here to speak in favor of the increase in the or sorry decrease to non-resident fee of 135 a year. I believe this fairly represents the average yearly tax paid by Logan households plus that 8% you know service charge or search charges we talked about. The search charge ensures that non-residents are contributing uh to a premium over our current uh residential tax rate. um and we could use those uh to offset some of the capital improvements and and other things that have been mentioned uh in past meetings. You know, by setting the fee at 135, we ensure that Logan residents are not subsidizing neighboring families or what may seem like outsiders or um in fact, at the proposed rate, non-resident household would contribute more uh to the city budget than the average resident household. But beyond the math, I want to talk about what we gain by reducing the barrier to entry uh to those and welcoming our neighbors into the library. First, there's an economic benefit. You know, library users are active consumers. When they come from outside Logan into the city, they visit the library, they buy gas, they visit our stores um and local shops. You know, studies from the Moore School of Business in I believe it was South Carolina showed that 44% of library patrons visit nearby businesses on the same trip. By keeping this non-resident fee fair and accessible, we aren't just selling a library card. We are inviting new money into our local economy and generating sales tax revenues uh that all of us count on. Uh the second benefit is the social and operational benefit. The library is an intellectual heart of our community. When we open our doors, we become a reg regional hub for entrepreneurs, students, and families.

This diversity of users keeps our library vibrant, vibrant, and our resources are being used to their maximum potential rather than sitting idle on a shelf. Finally, we should consider the core mission of a public library. Libraries exist to provide a platform for opportunity, education, and connection. The library's true value is found in its use and the benefit it provides to its patrons, not necessarily in its ability to function as a self-sustaining profit center. When we make this platform accessible, it strengthen our strengthens our entire region. The goodwill we build by being a fair regional partner plays pays dividends in future intercity cooperation from transit to public safety. The 135 fee is mathematically fair to our taxpayers. It's a win for our local businesses and it solidifies Logan's position of the economic and cultural hub of this line. Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you. Linda Johnson from Logan and I have deep respect for the library and the library board as I have deep respect for the counselors here because this is difficult question to answer as simple as it seems and I also agree with Michael that I don't think changing it from 163 to 125 with a $10 transaction fee will actually greatly increase the number of people who purchase a library card and that it's small. And I appreciate that he reviewed the process of where our fee comes from. And I also am glad that Rich did the math on what that fee would actually come out to in today's world after 20 years of inflation, which was the staggering number that people were like, "Oh my goodness, we can't charge that." And I love the library board's comments. I know you guys all thought about it. I agree with the ideology. I like the use of the word ideology. Um because ideologically I totally think that the library would be great with a lower fee and free to all even right but the realities of it as I've thought about this over since it first came up were um that Logan City is ultimately a business and unless and I know that people donate money specifically to the police officers and I know people get the city receives donations that are earmarked for specific things. Um that the city budget

as it stands, unless you guys are willing to somehow increase that to significantly lower the fees for the library, that it it won't offset and entice a lot more people. I liked what you said about trying to get actual Logan residents to be more active library users. I think that's wonderful. And I know they put out a newsletter um and try to advertise in lots of different businesses for that. So I think people are doing good things to outreach. And while I like the philosophy of the lowering, I would have to say I don't know that this move makes the greatest of sense. I like the review yearly that's put in for it. And I'm not sure I've seen anything that says, is this based off of the past year's taxes or the upcoming year's taxes as it's going to be at the beginning of July that it's reviewed and people pay taxes in the fall. Um, and taxes are going up each year. So, is that really fair to the Logan residents? Um, and similarly, I hadn't heard you guys talk last time a lot about that $10 transaction fee. And I know people who buy a library card over the three months for the summer, and I have talked to Michael about this. He would dress address this afterwards if you guys approve it. But people would have to pay in the beginning of the summer for their children to get a library card. And again at the end of June to get a new library card, they'd have to pay the $125 plus $20 worth of transaction fees just so their kids can check out books over the summer.

Thank you. Thank you, Linda. It was a stare off there for a moment. Are you coming up from my closing? I think I was He was thinking about He was I know. I talking or are you talking? I wasn't talking. My name is Mike Blah. Um Logan. Uh yeah, I hadn't thought much about this until I just heard all these points. I just wanted to add Logan is not ultimately a business. It is unfortunately a business because of the world we live in, but it's ultimately a community.

Thank you for your comment. And for the stare off. Seeing no one else, we will close the public comment portion, the public hearing, and then bring it back to the council for further discussion. You're looking directly at Genie. I That is not intended. Sorry. further discussion. I wasn't sure if that was intentional. It wasn't intentional. It's okay. He's putting this out. Throwing it out there. I mean, throwing it out there. And if no one wants to start off, I can I have a question, too. But I am happy to. You go first. Yeah. Mike.

Okay. I have a bunch of hypotheticals. Isn't that most my questions? Okay. If one for you and one for you, if I can. Um, if every single resident of Logan, yes, that every household used their library card at $125 a month, $125 a year, sorry. Could you maintain that cost or would you have to if your usage went up three times, right? Because roughly 35 to 40% of our residents are using the library to some extent. What would that do to your Is that 35 to 45% of residents or households? Households. Household. If your usage

that's residents. Okay. But if your usage number of cards divided, let's be let's be easy. We'll go double. If your usage doubled with your in with your budget the same, what would that do to your budget? Is it a fair argument to say $125 is what Logan residents are paying? Is that a fair argument? Cuz would we still do that if we doubled our Logan residents coming or would we have to raise the the the tax? Hypothetical, I know, right?

Wow. Uh that's a great qu. I mean the the the kind of the in in the library world, every public library basically says if we had 100% usage, you couldn't work because first of all, there'd be no books on the shelves and you would not have enough staff to help everybody and it just wouldn't happen. So if like we literally doubled the usage tomorrow, it would be very hard to operate with the hours and the staff and the collection that we have. That does not mean however that now instantly we need more money to solve that problem because we'd have bigger problems of no collection on the shelf and and being way too busy. Sure.

My point of view is that it costs to run the library what it costs to run the library regardless of the usage. Now, you could argue if the usage doubled, I would then make an argument that I need more money, but I wouldn't necessarily need double the money. It's not it's not there's fixed ratio. There's fixed and variable costs in there, right? Yes. Um, and so I understand. Yeah. It's not you're going to double your budget. So, anytime you do a calculation based on either number of usages, which is kind of what we're doing now, or very hard to do. That means that the more cards or usage you have, it actually gets cheaper per person to offer and it encroaches infinity as you get fewer people coming into the building, right? So that's why personally I feel like

I guess all of the numbers are wrong and we're picking the one that kind of feels the best and I understand that. Do you feel like it's a fair argument to say that that's what every Logan resident is paying because they are but not every Log Logan resident is using it. Do you feel like that's a fair argument to make? No, because to Chris's comment, all the residents are paying for it. They're choosing whether or not to use it. Right. And that that's I think it's something I've wrestled with. I you know, and I I understand the other argument, right? But can I ask you a question? The librarian. Is that okay? No. Okay. I'll break the answer. As I recall,

the question as I recall said he was going to say the last word two weeks ago. I wasn't going to say anything. I know, but I have a question. If Craig answers, it'll be really vague and I won't get an answer. So, we have a proposed property tax increase this year for the library. We are contemplating contemplating it. It's on the schedule tentatively. Yes, there you go. But it is likely that the property tax levy will go up. Is that vague enough and conservative enough based on everything we know right now? Yes. Whether that includes the library levy or not, we have if library levy was to go up, I'm going to say 2%. Yeah,

that would increase that 125 by a couple bucks. Not much, right? But it would factor into that. Correct. Okay. I just wanted to make sure that my Yeah. wasn't loading too long. I'm done. That's my thoughts. There you go. That's my questions. I'm still completing contemplating. So, someone else talk now. Ernest, are you on the library board? I was last year. You were last year. Okay. And Genie and Melissa I am this chair but have not a meeting yet.

Okay. So because I just would appreciate too from those who have you know I I appreciate the work and the hearing the voices of those who serve on the board and their perspective and I wonder too from the I mean I've heard some of your remark you know if you have any additional thoughts um from a legitary council sort of perspective as far as have answered them. Well, I I can tell you that the board, the library board really really cares about the entirety of the library, how it how it works, the reach, the impact that it has on the community. Um, I think the intention, not only you heard it, uh, their intention. Um, but is is I mean I I heard some words today um that I'm I'm kind of that are going through my mind like should it be an affordable fee? Is it an ideology that is driving this? Is it ethical to have the fee where it is at? Um those are interesting questions I think that we should contemplate. Um so I I deeply respect everybody that has served on the library board. I think everybody there um approach this. Um just like Michael said, it's all the numbers are kind of represent a different perspective and so it's hard to choose which one should be the one that we go about this. So I'm I'm struggling with this one myself. Yeah.

Can I piggy back on I don't know the library board I haven't answered on but I appreciate their their wellressearched and surprisingly well written comments from the library board. SURPRISINGLY SARCASTIC THAT was I would expect the library board to come with wellressearched well and you did very very well prepared. Yeah, very well thoughtout arguments and thoughts and I I really appreciate that. And I would expect, you know, no less from the people in the library was sarcastic. You really had to go around on that one, didn't you? Unplug my microphone. No, slight. Jenny, is there anything else you would been on the board?

Well, I've only I've been on the board before. I'm on the board now. Um, and I've worked in libraries, so I understand the um the desire for access. I've also lived here a long time and don't say it. Um, and I remember two ballot initiatives where we wanted to create a countywide library system and twice the county residents voted it down.

And I and we went ahead and we built a beautiful library with our money. So there's part of me that says I agree with the access and there's a part of me that says I just want for us

and that's selfish. I understand that. I but I do I feel like I you know the whole if the discussion came up because the county library thing I'd almost like to wait to make a decision until we know what that whole county library thing is and maybe we can talk to the county and say would you be willing to put in some money for people to participate would you be willing to you know help us get between Rich's number and your number. Yeah. For the library to make it fair. And still save the county some money, right? While providing access to

I Sorry, I don't mean to cut. But that's that's where I'm at. I'm sort of, you know, I'm I'm a little bit like everybody. We're just a little bit squishy on it.

I feel squishy, too. Um, so, um, because I really, you know, the idea of wanting to support access, wanting to be, you know, a good neighbor, you know, as part of a member of this community and also knowing kind of what's happening largely, you know, around us with the county and whatnot. Um, but I also want to respect the commitment that Logan City residents, you know, put in and and the efforts of everyone to make this library. It's a gym. and Logan sometimes, you know, we we really we take the brunt of some things, you know, and to make our community great and and sometimes it plays out for us and sometimes against us. And so how do we navigate that and be, you know, good stewards of taxpayer dollars and good community members? So I here's a thought and to your comment about tableabling um because I had written a note here

discontinuing

or just yeah to the continuing the conversation. I I I would like for us to be able to think about if the goal is ultimately growing usage of our library and growing usage by residents and non-residents. If that is if that is a goal, that's our goal is um having taking a little time to think about how can we accomplish that goal? what are the strategies for that? Um, and because I I guess one of my fears is if we only reduce the fee but we don't do anything else, is that really accomplishing anything? I don't know if that will actually accomplish the goal of bringing in more users. There's nothing telling us that that will. So I feel like we we need to it would be helpful to know what what would the library like to you know propose to sort of support that you know growth. Um, and I'm not saying, you know, you have to come up with a grand marketing plan, but some goals and that, you know, but there are some that could help us think, you know, what would we like to see and within that a rate, you know, we we could continue thinking about this rate adjustment. Um, and I think with the county where it is to be able to see and and have a conversation with them, I think would be really and I, you know, I know that Hyram has gone to the, you know, in after all of those votes and everything, Hyram built a library.

Smithfield already had a library. North North Logan built a library. We built one. Bendon built one. Lon built one. We built one. We we being Logan, we already have one. Well, yeah, we're building the bigger ones,

but us and Smithfield were really the only ones that existed when they first started doing this conversation, but and other communities have built smaller libraries, but it it is interesting to me that, you know, Nibbley hasn't built a library and River Heights probably wouldn't, but Providence didn't build a library. And so I don't know. I guess I I guess I just want to talk about it more. There's no easy answer to this one. Because there are

valid competing concerns for both arguments. I do worry that if we uh the county has six months that they've been funded for their library and I do really worry if we do this now it's the nail in the coffin for their library. You know it's just another thing to say oh well we don't have to fund this. Um chair can I throw some more uh data on the fire? Please do as long as it's water. Audiobook subscription for one book a month is $180 a year. Audible. Audible, but others are comparable. A Kindle Unlimited subscription is $144 a year for all digital.

USU library, um, basically the fees they collect is about $100 a year per student to use their library, which is not accessible to the public. U, but they collect approximately $2 million a year off of that. May I interject? Yeah. Um, the public can buy a card. Yeah. at USU and it's actually less than the students pay. Very good.

But they collect $2 million off of my true which is a sizable amount and I would suggest that many of them do not use the library also. Yeah. So just throwing that out there. As mayor whatever you decide we will make it work. How about that? We'll make it work. Thank you for the data that input. So just other thoughts that are just kind of floating in my mind. I I am not an an what do you call it economist

but it to me feels like if it hasn't come up if it has not been written in what 20 years that give or take. Yeah. So, it's really gone cheaper in the grand scheme of things because everything else goes up and the fact that it hasn't gone up, it's actually been coming down in price. Um, would would that be somewhat of a an accurate assessment of that in terms of real cost? Yes, it's exactly what happens. Same thing with property tax in general.

Yeah. Um I I I struggle with this not only because of that but because we've risen we've raised the taxes uh the last couple years and so and we are contemplating um the potential of another tax raise. So this is this is a tough one. um he wanted to attend tonight but didn't but the the chair of the library board who's a friend of mine is texting me he's listening to us right now but according to him their library covers 40% of the county which is the part of the county that's not covered by a city library which is Providence River Heights Milville and Paradise and then county at large residents which is roughly 40% of the county that does not is not already covered by a city library which is 60,000 people total give or take. That was rough math. So, don't do that on a calculator.

Yes. Well, council, I haven't said much. I never thought I would talk about library fees this long in my life. You never talked about one

library fees this long in my life. Never knew. Um but it really is a tough decision. You know, like when you say that it's ethical to offer it to people, it's also ethical to protect our citizens and provide them, you know, a service at a rate that's more deserving, you know, for them over people that don't pay those taxes. Um, so it is it's tough and I think I would be more prone to postpone the decision for maybe after the county makes their decision totally out of date. Is that a motion?

I would say sure I will motion I would say let's p postpone it until our continue. Okay. Continue is the technical term. Again I think I talk about this as much. I'd say after school I would say July or August would be a good August continuation 18th is that that would be after school starts after school starts and after our truth and taxation in August. That's the second in August. So that's the second Tuesday in August. It's after the tentative truth and taxation. It's after the county's six-month funding window and it's after school starts. It sounds like a good plan. I have a motion to continue it.

But we have to have a reason why we're continuing it. I think we'd like to see more information. Um, I think more information as far as what we're going to do to, you know, advertise, for lack of a better term, um, the services that are provided at the library um, and what we can offer to our citizens as well. Does that make sense? So, we have a motion to continue it to August 18th. Is there more further discussion, a second, or another motion? Melissa, may I add to that? Public hearing as well. Um,

I would ask that the continuence also included a um conversation with the county after they've made their decision whether they would be willing to participate or not. and um a um just a um I'm trying to think what the right word is. Let's just leave it at that. It's a good addition. Sounds like a job for the mayor. And I will second it. No, it's not a job for the mayor to reach out to the mayor. Does Melissa need to do include that? You don't have to take every job. It's up to us. I can do it. cut off.

Can I say that we're continuing that with a public hearing? I'm happy for or does that have to come from Melissa's public hearing the public hearing or or no public hearing? It's your motion. So gosh, I don't know. I say adding on without That's always my vote. Just say without it'll be fine. Um I'm good to say without because I feel like we've heard from the public at this time. go unless you want to hear from, you know, and I will second that. But county, I mean, I think the county wouldn't be public hearing. Wouldn't that be something different? We're continuing with conversation with the county.

I think we have a motion in the second for without is what Jeannie seconded. So, unless you want to withdraw that motion. It has been motioned and seconded. Without a public hearing for August 18th, I just want to say I and be done. Any further discussion before we call the question? Okay. All those for All those in favor of continuing resolution 26-02 to August 18th without a public hearing, please say I. I. I. Any opposed? Guess we'll see you all in seven months. All right. Thank you really for all your hard work. I really do appreciate it.

I know it is not an easy free job and an easy discussion and there's there's valid points on both sides. He's still smiling. It's good. Do you want to Thank you, Michael. Thank you. And thank you, library board. Thank you, library board. We will now move to action item B. This is a public hearing. It's a budget adjustment resolution 26-03. And Rich, this is a biggie. We've been through these before. This is a request to appropriate 7,142 to reimburse the police department for overtime shifts. I believe this was in October. Any questions for Rich before I open the public hearing? Nope.

Okay. This is a public hearing. Anyone from the public who would like to discuss resolution 26-03, which is $7,142 appropriated for shifts for the police department for overtime shifts. No staring contest. So, we will close the public hearing, bring it back to the council for discussion and or action. I move we approve resolution 26-03. I'll second the motion. We have a motion and a second. All in favor of approving resolution 26-3, please say I. I. Motion carries. That is our action item. We'll move to workshop items. The first one is rich resolution 26-4. And these are big and unusual and exciting

and exciting. Are they red? So the the request here, the first one is a request to appropriate 4,000 410,166 from electric fund reserves in order to facilitate them buying a line truck that is currently available, fits our needs, but we otherwise would not request to replace until next year. Is it good deal? Is that why we're doing it now? The electric department will have to speak to the deal. It's I believe it's on state contract so it's the deal. Oh, okay. It's our option. But the only deal but if we do wait two years it will cost us more. Sure.

And it will take us two years to get one ordered and ready. So this is a used one. No, this No, this is new. This is just new. The deal fell through. It's available. It meets our needs. companies ask would we like it because they know and we were kind of planning on doing this in the next 2 or 3 years.

Yes. So here is kind of the arrangement if we if the council approves this. The idea is that we would appropriate 410,000 from reserves uh nowish and buy that and then in next year's budget fiscal year 26 you would see something going back to fund balance in excess of 410,166 and this is coming out of electric fund reserves electric fund reserves which were very long as well. So you're aware we're we're trying to build those reserves over time. Mark is aware of what he's trying to do there. This is a a deal they would like to not pass up. Reserves now replace those next fiscal year.

Does he have any rolling stock? Does he have any rolling stock carryovers? Uh I don't think so. You spend it all every year, don't you? They really do. So I know Rich that we're worried about electric reserves. We are. She's straight with me. Well, we're okay with this though. Rich is Rich is alarmed about electric reserves. Other people may not be alarmed. If Rich is alarmed, I'm alarmed. So, the way I measure their reserves, I take out everything that's already appropriated and ready to be spent, even though it's not spent yet. And we have some capital that will kind of

it'll go out in a while. We've also appropriated 10 million of their reserves for their building, but that won't be spent until the end of this fiscal year, possibly during next fiscal year some point. But spending money and spending money without money still concerned. I think you should be cautious to borrow phrase vaguely. But I am comfortable with this idea given I'm I'm I'm telling it to council and the mayor and also uh Mark understands this is our commitment to replace that out of next year's budget and not come up with the next thing we got to have because we're making a commitment to council that's going back to reserves. Okay. M and I make those commitments sometimes too. Good.

But it's but it's but it's future spending that you now don't have. Like you've just brought next year's spending now, which we can do, but now we don't have money to spend next year. So, and if the world ends, we'll be I'm with Rich on this. We've got the reserves, so we don't need anyway. Yeah. And if everything crashes, we've got a cool truck. Great. Yeah, we're still okay. We'll just Okay, now you get to talk about the fun stuff. Yeah. Now, the fun. So, every four

I think the truck's cool. Every three to five years we have to replace our golf carts. The last time we did, I think the last two times we did it. We we leased those and there are advantages to leasing particularly with golf carts because there's some maintenance included within that lease. However, as we the the the parks and rec department has brought forth proposals for golf course. We've analyzed and looked at them and we believe the best approach this time is to buy golf carts. The request to council is to appropriate $470,520 to purchase 72 golf courts. Currently, we have 60. 60. This would be 72, which would allow us to put on a

6070. Could put on a full golf tournament with two carts on each hole roughly. Um, so this is a good thing for us. We would buy lead acid, which isn't the greatest battery. A lithium battery is better, but their price structure for lithium is super weird and we can't figure it out. It doesn't fit. It is substantially more. Lithium would be $30,000 more per year. That's a lot. These are roughly $100,000 per year over the life of the cart. Now, our plan would be from full disclosure. Now, you just said one was 32 and the other was 100. 30 more.

30,000. Sorry. 30,000 more. So, one is 100 for the lead acid. To go to lithium, it'd be around 132 per year. Okay. Thank you. Yes. So it's an additional 32 per year. Per year. Per year. What have we been paying roughly for like last 10 years for leasing? Uh 85. Okay. So this is more than leasing. This sorry 75 actually. So this is more than leasing. We anticipate 25 33%. This is a lot more expensive. Are we hoping to hold them for more than 5 years? No. So our intent right now although it could change and buying is buying them gives us that flexibility. Our intent would likely to be come back to council in about three years because as we've looked at it

and sell these and sell these uh at the same time appropriate from reserves to replace these in the future. So what you would anticipate as part of the fiscal year 27 I can't believe we're saying that the 27 budget that you will get in May is that there would be about $100,000 plus going back to reserves to pay for these cards. and we'll increase that a little bit over those years and hope that in 3 years we go to lithium because there are some advantages that sure that they're much more qualified to speak to. There are advantages but there's costs

but there's costs associated with it and my personal opinion as I look at the cost is that it's looked upon as a luxury item a little bit because the pricing isn't linear. you should expect to see these kind of they probably charge faster and they probably have better cold handling. I mean there's there's lithium benefits that make sense, but if they're not necessary. So the ones that that we've been leasing what they got to be lead acid they be lead acid. They're heavy and we're purchasing lead acid wear and tear on the course. Yeah. But $30,000 is a lot per year. It's a lot of money. I have one really important question though.

30% more in essence. Are they bright red with flames and spinners? Because if they're not, I'm not approving it. Cuz I want some freaking cool cards. Let's see. Let's see you go to the golf course and golf. And then I go to the golf course and golf. Return on investment, sir. He donates a lot of golf balls. They they are Kirkland Signature though, so they are not working. We're working on it, right? We are. We're working on it. So, Rich, the they have when we have leased them in the past, the cost to rent the carts offset the lease cost. And is that going to be the case if we purchase them as well?

Yes, really good point. As we get new cars, which it's time, sure, we see our our lease or sorry, our our rental revenue go up a little bit because they're newer cars. People enjoy driving them rather than one that's rattling and falling apart. And so our current revenue is about $360,000 a year from renting those golf carts. So you can see it's a pretty important revenue source to our golf course. It's 160,000 a year in rental 360. So that means we pay them back in a year and a half. That's correct.

There's also the cost. There's electricity. There are the people getting them. There's all those costs strictly cost purchase versus cost of a rental. This is a this is a good thing for us and 360 360 is a lot of money for our golf course. So, we got to make sure we're protecting that. This protects that. Again, gives us a three-year window. Hopefully, next time we're coming forward with lithium ion. We'll just see how the price structure kind of works way out. I expect and we've also thought that lead acid may not even be available just because it is. But if we play it right for three to three and a half years, we will have accumulated enough money to pay for the next batch. Unless you slice it really bad and then

yeah, you know, no driving, no driving into the water hazards. And there are some guaranteed buyback so we have some buyback options, but we can also sell them on our own. We'll maximize the return on the carts we buy in the future and hopefully that net cost comes down even more and we add a little bit to fund balance which we need for other items. Do they do they have resale value? They do. Even battery. Oh yeah. Okay, because that's what I was the lead battery is not even going to be available possibly in the future. Does that mean we're not be able to sell these because people aren't interested? I want to buy one. Uh I think people still buy them. There are conversion kits. So it's not like

once it's lead acid, it's always lead acid. You can convert a lead acid to a a lithium. And that's also part of the struggle that we have as we look at the differential cost between the two. It's not the battery. That troubles me. Do they have flames on them? Hopefully not anyway. So, we can't quite figure that out. Thank you, Rich. The lithium the lithium tarp is is nice because it's lighter by about 600 lb. Jeeoff, you got to come to the microphone, please. 600 600 lb. So, it's a little bit uh

for Ry's purposes. It's turf compaction and things like that. It's it's really nice that way. Um, the resell it would be great as long as as long as we don't go to there'll be a little less on the fourth after the fourth year because the lithium B or the lead acid battery is not going to make it more than that. I've made it every time we've done this four year of either lease or buy. We've made it to the end of that. I'm pretty good at dealing with lead acid carts and taking care of them. The optimal would be the other, but it's I could I've I've done lead acid for 32 years. It's probably hard to know, but the wear and tear on the course because of a 600 lb more, you know, cart got turf compaction cost of that is it

I don't know. I don't know if you could if you can if you can throw that out, but it's that's part of it. They also you can get the residual on the back end of a of a of a a lithium cart is going to be more money if you're to resell because it's going to be even at four years that battery is going to last a couple more years where the lead acid is not going to they're going to buy somebody's going to buy the card but they're going to have to trade out all six batteries in that card to buy the card. So there's some there's some pluses and minuses to both. But the but we had looked at the numbers and that 30,000 should be closer than that. I don't know why it's not. Yeah. But you're comfortable. might be and they're cheaper to to charge. They'll charge longer. You can get you can get what Randy sayund

substantially more user hours out of the out of the uh lithium than the lead acid. So yeah, but you're comfortable with the lead acid. I don't that that's what they've been doing for years. What you do with the lead acid is every 3 weeks you water all the all six all three cells in all six batteries in all 72 carts. Mhm.

So when you're pulling them out in the morning, I've got a couple guys that just do that. We we do it like clockwork every three three weeks and that way they last they'll they'll last that fouryear period. There's a lot of people that neglect that and that's why their carts go bad. I I this is the fourth year of these last carts we had and I didn't chase one cart off the golf course. They all made it 18 holes. More than 18 holes, but they did. We never had to go get a car off the golf course. They'll make it to 54 holes easily in their first two years. The other thing he was talking about is raising maybe bumping the bumping the uh u price up from $10 per nine holes per user and that's to to $11. That changes you to about 40 to 37 to 42,000 depending on what you do. So that's that jumps you up another little bit right there.

Help a little bit. Okay. Yeah. We'll wait to see that. Thank you. And that's what it look like. No, no, no flames. Spinners spinners at least. Can we get some underglow? I don't know. I know where they sell. I want I want to look like something off the Fast and Furious. Okay. Anything else for Rich? You aren't a Fast and Furious golfer. No, but I drive like one. Um, doesn't want you driving like that. Okay. Thank you, Rich. Any other questions for him or comments before we move on to 26-05. This is Amy. Uh, for a reasonzone consideration. Oh, she's already there. Yes.

You like snuck up on me. She's been sitting there pretending. You looked right over the top of her. We just want to be efficient. We're being efficient. You might be, but we're blowing this tonight. All right. I have driving

26 up for Logan Cross Roads Reszone. It's located at 79. There's two parcels located at 790 and 796 South Main. These two parcels equal about 4.54 acres and they're asking to reszone it from commercial to mixed use. The current zone is commercial. Um Flut also calls it out commercial. The uh the one right to the north has been reszoned recent or last year to mixed use. And same with the one below it. Are they from the same owner or

No, the one to the north is a different owner. The one to the south is the same owner. Um, so there's two parcels. You can see the small one uh used to have a home, vacant home that was torn down a few years ago. The larger one had two building, two structures. Now it only has one. and it mostly had like construction businesses in it. Uh there was no development formal development plan submitted with this request to reszone. Uh but they did send me this. They own so the Logan City boundary proper or property line um city limit is right is that big red one. They own the property in green that's in Providence. the same applicant and owns the blue and the red and they have a plan an overall plan uh for development of all three parcels. That's why they would like to

reszone to uh mixed use. They have this road uh from Golf Course Road up to right now to 465 North. They would like to eventually get it up to 80 East. They've been they submitted a preliminary plat with Providence City for this road and they've also talked to UD do about connecting it to AD East um eventually and working with Logan City and UD do working with Logan City to connect this proposed road. Can I can I interrupt there for a question? Say that again. Can I interrupt you? Uhhuh.

Where on this map is that proposed X to Y intersection road? Glad you asked. Thank you. It was okay. So that's the parcel. This is a draft. Oh, I was supposed to write draft on there. Really big, right? So the public doesn't freak out. So it could change. Um it's proposed that maybe in 2030ish is they would go is this UD do's draft or you do draft very preliminary and I'm supposed to say draft and preliminary about 20 times. canvas because it could change and this is where they 2030. Yeah. Oh, is what it said in the papers, but

Okay. to change this Y to an X. Um I hear that they're in the works right now of purchasing this U dot of purchasing this property. And that's the one that's currently mixed use to the north. Yeah. And then this is where you do would work with Logan City to connect the road that the applicant is proposing to Providence City to go down here. I think it would connect to this road. Yeah. And then down through this property line right here. Interesting. Where does that 80 East come out in Pro? I didn't scroll far enough to see like it's in Logan. Did you see Yeah, they mentioned that it was like Sorry.

No, I was like I did not see that in our packet. So right here, here's the Riverwoods. That's 80 East right there. This is 80 East right here. It's all residential, but every single practically every single property in that area is a for sale. Yeah, I bet it is. Which is no doubt because you do. Yeah, they're going to be cut right. I don't know what they would go through right through the DMV. And get out the big old do or just go over whatever under under. We like tunnels, highly conducive.

So there's differences between commercial and mixed use. Um I highlighted some of them. Commercial retail services, mixed use, integrated, ground floor living is prohibited in commercial. It is permitted in mixed use. Can I ask you one more question? Yes. If you go up a couple slides, you've got your Tell me your two maps here on the same page for us. It's like, okay, which one? Uh, well, what's that? What is that yellow? Is that just a different parcel where that little yellow inverted Utah? Yeah, that thing.

Yes, that's their second parcel. So, it's technically two parcels. Okay, that makes more sense. I was like, why is there two red lines, but they're both Okay. Yeah, I have it. Used to be a house that they tore down. Yeah, it was. Isn't this where that like meeting houseser construction or whatever was But I always assumed it was an associate hotel once. I think it was the north one. Every time I drive by, I assume they were Russian mafia. What was neater housing construction? So in commercial ground floor can be 80%. In mixed use it can be 50%. We make jokes.

I've ground floor commercial. Max building height in commercial is 40 ft where in mixed use it's 5870. Front satback is 10 versus 0 to 10. Transparency is 30% on ground floor frontage. 50% on for mixed use. So they have to but their commercial has to face the highway. Has to face the road. They Yeah, they have to have commercial facing. where they we don't have a project, but I wonder if they're going to do horizontal mixed use where they put all of the commercial along the highway and put the

I would assume yes, they would put most of the commercial up in the red area and then down here along this road and then back kind of in the and along Providence's road. We don't really care about that one, but Well, we don't know what Providence's rules are. Yeah. And then residential on the infill. Yeah. I don't know what they add. Okay.

So, the pros to reszoning at mixed use. It aligns with the surrounding zones that were recently reszoned. It's appropriate location when you take into transportation, commercial, and employment opportunities and it's consistent with our general plan encouraging mixeduse development. Um cons is our flux says that it's commercial uh potential reduction of commercial square footage. The city receives more sales tax revenue for commercial rather than residential. There's um limited access due to the X to Y um for commercial, although the road would come through here. So they would have to put commercial here along the by a road. Um and then potential height impacts. There's no height transitions because there's no adjacent um residential zones around it even on the Providence side. just great things.

Planning Commission um forward an approval uh a unanimousation and staff also recommends approval and yes and staff recommends approval of the Any more questions for Amy? We'll see you in two weeks. Okay. Thank you so much for staying later than the agenda said. It's probably mostly my fault because we talked about library fees for maybe it was your fault. Um, that concludes our workshop items. Any other considerations before we move to our close session?

I move I move that council move to close session for the purpose of discussing potential litigation and property acquisition. I'll second. We have a motion and a second. All in favor of moving to close session, please say I. I. I. Any opposed? For those in the audience, we will be back in here to close out the meeting. You're welcome to hang out if you want. I think we can get a elevator music. Yeah. Someone to play. I don't know. How long that's going to be, but we'll figure it out.

We We will hopefully not be too long. In the meantime, should I leave my phone out here playing something? I'm driving to Boyisey after this. Let's get this going. I support both sides.

I support both sides. You know, I think that's Yeah, it does.

But the the cameras are on. That's right. only tracks. Yeah, perfect.