Shaker Lane Building Committee - Regular Meeting

Anybody on the line, Steve Martin?

Oh, Steve, you better step away for a second. Anybody for public comments this evening?

Somebody's got their hand up. I don't see a hand up. Yolanda Davis, it looks like. And the attendees.

I can't see a hand up.

I don't see a hand either.

Is it an attendee or something? If you open, double-click on participants, and you'll see attendees.

It's an attendee. Steve has to let them in, though. It's Miss Davis, one of the abutters. Steve stepped away for a second. Why don't we come back to that, Mark? We will come back to that. Next item, approval of the past minutes from April 15th. Any comments on April 15th's minutes?

Motion to approve is presented. Second.

All in favor? We'll do a roll call vote. Kelly?

Kelly Clanchy, yes.

Shawn. Jonah Hearn, yes. Steve Venuti. Steve Venuti, yes. Jim. Jim Duggan, yes. Bob. Bob Romley, yes. Mike. Mike Scaduto, yes. Michelle.

Michelle Caine, yes.

And Steve Moore, yes. Motion carries.

Excellent, thank you. Next item on the agenda is the project schedule. As you can see in your screen, the milestone schedule that we've been looking at for the last few months is up on the screen. The highlighted area is the area where we are currently.

Mark, I'm sorry. Can I interrupt? I apologize. I had to step away for a minute. Under public comment, there is a hand raised, and I apologize I'm late on this.

We did see that, Steve. If you want to bring in Mr. Davison now.

My apologies.

Not a problem.

Yolanda Davis, you should be coming in here.

Okay. Hello. Hi.

Name and address, please, for the record.

This is Yolanda Davis, 33 Shaker Lane. So... First of all, I did want to thank you for inviting us to the meeting yesterday. We appreciate being included in the conversation. I have first a question. When are you planning to do site plan review and stormwater plan review with the planning board?

I'm sorry, what was the first?

What was the first one site site plan review and stormwater plan review with the planning board? Do you have that scheduled yet?

Trip primarily, do we have that together? I don't know if we do.

No, it's not scheduled yet. The general plan is to wait until we have the design development estimate set completed. So we have a whole set of drawings to take to them and show them. So I think that would be aligned with the planning board and board of health that you had mentioned in that other meeting.

Okay. And then the, so I also have a comment because as you may remember, Marilee and Dr. Clanchy, We met on June last year to walk around the area that is basically along the border between our property and the school. And we shared our concerns with you, including our concern for the privacy for both us and actually the kids in the school. And during that meeting, you promised us a row of Arborvitae. And then on July 10th, we got a letter from Dr. Clanchy, which was also sent to Marilee and Steve Moore. And the letter was saying, we want to be good neighbors. We will work with you to design a suitable buffer between your property and the proposed new school. This buffer will consist of a 20-foot landscaped area. A row of arborvitae is included in the project to enhance privacy. We are committed to working with you on the design of the buffer. So in the designs that you shared on July 29th, 2025, there was a row of 15 trees from about where our house is towards the northern edge of our property. The design that you showed yesterday showed only six trees right next to the house, And it didn't look like there is any privacy buffer whatsoever for the rest of the border. So the letter said that you would work with us on designing a buffer, but we weren't notified about this change from 15 trees to six trees just by our house. And we find just six trees. That's definitely not sufficient to create an appropriate privacy area. So we look forward to hearing from you about working together on designing an appropriate buffer.

Yeah, Ms. Davis, this work is ongoing. The site plan is not anywhere near complete yet. And we certainly stand to that comment that was made that we're going to work with you completely to get this done. So comments might have been made a year ago saying so many trees, and now the plan the other day showed less amount of trees. But we're committed to be good neighbors on this project that was stated, and we will certainly work with you to make sure that our a proper buffer is established for both you and the school there. So it's an ongoing process. It's not done yet. It's not baked yet. All right, thank you.

Thank you. I've never been through a project like this, so I have no idea how things work. It's just that I was, well, I have to say alarmed by no buffer whatsoever for most of the border. So thank you for assuring us that you will work with us.

Understood. Things change. The biggest thing you'll know about a project like this is things change. So we'll do our best to keep the communication lines open and keep you informed of the things that are going to happen. So thank you for bringing things up. Any other public comments that we see? Any other attendees?

No, not at this time.

Not seeing that, we'll go back to where we just were, the project schedule. We are currently in the highlighted box right now in the middle of, or towards the end almost, of design development. We're looking at design development being submitted around the middle of June. Then as we go through the process with reconciliations and cost estimates, submission to the MSBA, finishing that about a month later, middle of July, And then as that goes on, the design team will start moving into construction documents. Construction documents, this again is the milestone schedule. I'll talk in a minute about the detailed schedule that they're working on. But on the milestone schedule here, we're looking at construction documents going for at least another year, probably to the middle of July of next year. After the same process of the construction documents getting completed, Estimated, reviewed, submitted to the MSB for their comments. Once that's done, then Dobain will be finalizing either early bid packages, getting the rest of the file sub-bids set up, and hopefully get construction started around June of 27. Completing hopefully around May of 29. getting the project done in the summer of 29, mid to end of summer 29, get moving all set up, punch list, all that fun stuff, and then get the project open for September of 2029. So this schedule is still being followed. We're on schedule. Tripp, do you want to just talk a little bit about the project schedule that you guys are working on?

Yeah, I mean, the detailed project schedule reflects what Mark kind of outlined. What we've been working on since last month was, again, aligning with that kind of baseline plus, which, again, is working towards one early bid package with the project team that we would start commencing the bidding process. in March of 27. Studio G is aligned with our team to set up and be prepared for that early bid package. That would allow the site work to commence in July of 2027. And run out the construction of the building to be substantially complete in May of 29, which will then allow the support the district to occupy and operating the new building for the start of the 29 fall semester. Phase 2 of the project, which is the abatement demolition of the existing building and construction of new playing fields. That would commence in this project schedule in July of 29, which will start with the demolition of the existing building and be substantially complete that phase in December of 2029. So aligned with the milestone schedule that Mark here presented here with the details within our P6 construction schedule that we've been circulating as a project team.

And as that's being developed and being reviewed, once we're at a point where we can share that with you guys, we'll share that with you guys as well. It is very detailed. There's a lot of breakdowns and milestones and things like that. But once that's all completed, we'll certainly share it with everybody. Any other comments or questions about the project schedule? Very good. We'll go now to the budget. The budget is the standard budget you've seen every meeting. We have on budget on the project, invoices have been submitted and accounted for. In the total project budget, we've got a bunch of invoices to talk about this evening. The project is still on budget. We are, I'll just get to the bottom here. We are currently What is it? 2 million approved invoices to date. So out of the 99, 12 million is committed. 84 still uncommitted. 2 million is approved to date. And we've got a balance of 9 million remaining on the funds over there. So this is... all of the invoices that have been approved and included. And I don't know if all the ones from this evening have been put in there. I see the landscaping one is, but most likely all the ones we put in there as well. So we are doing well on the budget as of today. Project is on budget. Any questions for the budget? Okay, hearing none, we'll go back to the agenda. for project updates. So for us, Turner and Townsend and Heery, I would like to introduce a new team member. Chris Tremblay will be joining the team. He has joined the team. He's been involved with us a week or two ago. Chris has been with Heery for 15 years and has worked on many public school projects. Chris, would you like to introduce yourself?

Yeah, I'm Chris Tremblay, project manager, Turner Townsend here, OPM. Yes, 15 years with the company, multiple MSBA projects, most recently at Tewksbury Elementary School, similar project projects. I guess, budget size, working with Peter. Also, I guess I live locally in Chelmsford, grew up in Westford, and I guess I played Neshoba youth hockey with the Westford and Littleton youth program quite a while ago. So looking forward to joining the team and meeting everyone.

Great, thank you, Chris. Coordination meetings happen weekly. We meet every Thursday morning, 10 o'clock with the team to go through items and issues that are ongoing with the project and anything that's ongoing or happening, we report back to the committee, but we do meet weekly. um site investigation work is ongoing um playing field restoration i believe is complete the landscape people did their work there's an invoice for their work being presented this evening we will have some further site investigation there was a recommendation made and i apologize mayor lee we weren't able to get it on the agenda for this evening but i figured we'd bring it up um that we're gonna we're gonna try to do some um To identify in the geotechnical field where the bedrock potentially might be or some ledge, there's a process of sound waves that can be used to penetrate the ground and identify where the potential bedrock might be. What's good about a service like this pits or borings to rip the field up because we understand how important the field is to the to the um parks and rec group and uh um the youth baseball and the adult softball league so the field work is completed um the field's back to playing condition we're going to try to do a little bit more investigation to try to understand where we are on bedrock and trip primarily. We're also looking at the area for where the building foundation may go to where we just focus in on the geothermal areas.

Yeah, I was going to speak to further study that we're discovering needs to be done as we learn more about the site. So yes, Mark, you are correct. I learned the official term for that type of survey is a seismic refraction survey. It maps out the top surface of the bedrock And the reason we need this information at the geothermal well field is because of the horizontal connections between the wells need to be below the frost line. So we need to see how deep the bedrock is. If it's five feet or more shallow, then it needs to be removed in order to get those horizontal connections deep enough. So there is a proposal, I believe it's with TTH at the moment, and they can pass that along. And in our discussions during our weekly check-ins, we talked about how it would really help for risk management to do the same type of survey at other areas of the site, especially where we are intending to run utility connections from the street and where we're planning on putting connections between the well fields and the buildings, and just really It's not a huge expense compared to finding a big surprise of additional leads that we did not realize it was there. So I'm working on getting a proposal for additional seismic refraction survey. We are waiting on the results from the borings and test fits, and we're going to use those results to help us figure out the scope of that survey. It's going to tell us where we really need to know more information about the depth of the ledge. So keep an eye out for that one. And then, sorry, go ahead.

No, continue, sorry.

Okay. And then the last thing that we are looking at right now is there was some urban fill found at the north end, sort of the north corner of the upper field near that upper baseball field up there behind home plate. And this is another example of risk management where we need to do additional testing to determine the volume of the material that needs to be removed. The urban fill, it needs to be tested to see what it is, how much there is of it. And that affects how it gets removed. Depending on what's in it, it might be needs to be shipped to a separate location, a separate landfill when it's being removed from the property. But finding out how much of it there is, is going to help us know the expenses that's gonna be required for those sooner rather than later.

So we received the proposal this morning. We'll review it. We'll get it over to the financial subcommittee group once the approval is reviewed and hopefully we can get the okay to get that started and get that information back over to Studio G and their consultants.

Yeah. And I think one thing that we haven't talked about is the budget specifically for the reimbursables section. The MSCA has certain things broken out like wetland studies and site survey and all of this testing that we're doing. And there was $995,000 budgeted for this purpose. And of that we've spent or we've approved under $500,000. And usually the bulk of that is spent during design development and during permitting. So without having the numbers in front of me, I would say you're in really good shape in terms of the reimbursables of it.

Thanks. We'll take a look at that in detail once we have all those together, but thank you for the information on that. Last item is, again, daily activities going on with scheduling and conversations with the team and everything continues weekly. Marilee, I think you jumped ahead here, which is fine, and you talked about a lot of this stuff already. Anything else?

Hey, Mark, can we go back to the previous slide? One thing that I had asked Peter to include on here was an update from yesterday's meeting. Yes. If he can go over that a little bit, how well attended it was.

Yes. I don't know if he added it to the new agenda that he put together yesterday. We can just tell you, we had a very good meeting yesterday afternoon. I thought 28 people or so from the town departments, a couple of the abutters, police, fire, the whole group that we sent out to give them an update on the project. Very similar to what we just talked about with the schedule. Mary Lee had a nice site plan. We ran the site plan to walk everybody through where everything's going with the traffic, the location of the building, the new playing fields, emergency access, et cetera. And then we opened it up to Q&A for everybody. And there really weren't many comments from the town departments or a group that was there. Kathleen and Miss Davis had comments that we addressed, and they had concerns about the project. the way things are going and what the construction activities will be like, etc. I think those were answered properly and keeping them informed. But overall, I thought it was attended very well and I thought it went well. We told them we will do this periodically and reminded them that there is monthly meetings with this group every third Wednesday of the month, but we'll try maybe every six weeks or so a week or two before this meeting or the next one. Just give people another update just to keep them informed.

Okay. Thanks, Mark.

Absolutely. So we talked about the additional bedrock, playing field meeting. Any other things under Studio G, Merilee, that you want to address?

Oh, yes. I have stuff to talk about. All right. Okay. So I already covered the first part of what I wanted to say. I also wanted to point out that we had a meeting specifically about the playing field with parks and rec Littleton youth baseball and softball and the DPW and looks at the plan for, let me see if I can share my screen. Uh, we looked at the plan for the playing fields that will be installed.

Sure.

down here when the existing building is demolished. And the feedback was they would like to be able to use these two fields at the same time. So our landscape architect is currently working on pushing them further apart so that there is not this area of overlap. We also showed them the pathways around this area. The plan is to make this a much more pedestrian-friendly area and restore some of the area that's currently paved for drive aisles, restore it to a vegetated state so that eventually it can fill with plants that are wetlands adjacent. These plants in the wetland area, they will expand and naturally fill in over time. And because we are so close to this little bowl right here of wetlands, taking vehicles and taking pavement away from this area helps protect that and makes this a much nicer area for when people are out here playing or walking around the site. Another thing we looked at with them is this little corner right here. This is where the existing playground is. And one comment that we had heard was with this design, when parents are there and their kids are playing on these fields and maybe there's a sibling who wants to play at the playground, there's no way for a parent to both supervise the child up here at the playground behind the school and also watch their kid down here on these playing fields. So we've realized that we can preserve some of the playground equipment that exists right here and protect it during construction and maintain a little bit of that available to have a small playing area adjacent to these fields. If we find that preserving the playground equipment is not actually feasible, then this can very easily be turned into sort of a more natural play area so kids can play right here much closer to the field. While I have this up and looking, I'll just show some of the updates. We looked Our landscape architect has been focusing on the front approach to the school right here. And what this looks like for circulation is the kids are getting out of the cars and off of the buses and making their way to the front door. And they have been looking at the rear play area where they have a nice mix of the rubber playground material around structures versus natural planted area and paths and plenty of room for them to run. We talked about including this upper portion of this emergency access loop inside of the playground fence. So that really increases the amount of play area available to the kids. And we can paint games on that blacktop, maybe paint some like halfways, something fun out there for very short money. And that really improves the experience of the kids out here on the playground. There's also this area right here, which would have some exterior furniture set up for an outdoor learning space. We have the pre-tape playground right here, which is also fenced in to keep those kids contained. And the fence is directly connected to the building. So as soon as they walk out this door, they are in this fenced area. Let's see here. Everything else on here remains The same programmatically, we still have this access point here off of Shaker Lane. We've been looking at some refinements to how this works in here with the grade. And we've got the space planned for an 18-wheeler to make a delivery to this loading area here. They would come in, come down this drive here to approximately here, and then they would back up into here, unload at the loading docks, and then make their way out. They can go that way or that way, but I think we'd prefer to keep them out of this neighborhood so they can come right back out the way that they came in.

Yes, Steve.

If you want to finish, Mary Lee, you can go right ahead.

I was going to ask if there's any questions. I'm sorry. I thought she was done. Sorry.

No.

My only question was, you know, you talked about the meeting yesterday. There was a meeting a week ago also, design meeting. Can you talk a little bit about how that went and how many people came to that?

The community forum?

Yeah, for the design.

Yep, that's next on my list. Any questions on this before I move to that? Okay, hearing none. So, yes. We had the community forum last week and it was really great turnout. There was some new faces that I had not seen before. The new superintendent also was able to make it and he participated in the discussion. And I think the best takeaways from it was there is a lot of consensus already in the town about what are the important things in Littleton that that in some form make their way into the school. It was very heavy on the natural areas, the beautiful nature around Littleton, including plants and animals and pathways and the lake and the Neshoba Sea and a flooding hill. And it was very inspirational to hear people be really excited about this and have lots of good ideas. And we documented everybody's ideas. And it was great for myself and Hannah from my office also came to hear all of that. And we're going to sort of synthesize everything that we heard and use it to guide our decisions in the building moving forward. It's going to affect things like environmental graphics and maybe some of the way that we detail some items in the school, such as stair railings and window mullions, things like that. So it's really helping to bring the school to life. And the one thing I did want to share from that meeting was I had done, we did a white model fly through and it basically is a fly through of the building with no colors or finishes applied to it. So the idea was we're working with the blank canvas. We need to bring this to life and we need your ideas for inspiration. So I'm going to stop talking and play the video and let you enjoy this.

Thank you.

All right, so we shared that. I think everybody was inspired by it and excited to see some of these faces in a little bit more reality than just looking at a floor plan. So that video and the updated site plan, we are going to be sending to TTH so that they can make an update to the project website. This is really the first design update that people will have seen in quite a while. So I think now that it has been shown publicly, it would be great to get it up on the project website. I have one other thing to talk about. Does anybody have any questions on the video? No. Okay.

I think that's a great tool, Marilee.

Awesome. It's fun for us to see it also because we've been looking at this in 3D and it's really amazing when we get so into it in 3D and we start applying all the finishes and it really looks like a real space and then we go to the actual school and it's exactly how we expected it to be. It's a great tool, the technology that we have available to us. All right. So very last thing is some podcasts that I am participating in. There was one a couple of weeks ago where Gil Bain and I were on pause on Littleton with Shana Hearn and Kelly and just talked about how how exciting, how excited we are to be working with Gil Bain again on another project and excitement about the project. And then tomorrow I will be in a sustainability podcast with the sustainability committee talking about some of the sustainability features of the school. So I'm excited to talk about the geothermal system and some of the other measures that we have. And I'll have some, uh, some good data to share about how sustainable we are compared to schools nationally and compared to schools in Massachusetts.

Thank you for doing that, Mary Lee. You, Jonathan, Kelly, were great. I really appreciate you taking the time.

It was a lot of fun.

Excellent. We did mention the design development progress status in the schedule update. We're looking at June 17th to get that all ESTIMATING PROCESS. JUNE 12TH. SORRY, JUNE 12TH, MY FRIEND. JUNE, MID-JUNE. GILBEEN PROJECT UPDATES, WANT TO ADDRESS THIS FOR A MINUTE THERE, TRIPP OR JOHN?

YEAH, ABSOLUTELY, MARK. I won't repeat some of the things, but again, we've been working on the project schedule since last SBC meeting, which we presented at the milestone level at the beginning of the meeting. But that aligns with what was reviewed and discussed with this group last month. So that is what we presented at the beginning of this meeting. We've been participating with Studio G in their design development meetings. as kind of observers and getting engaged with constructability and other design items as their team is progressing through the design of the building. We've also been working on some costing exercises as we attend to some of those meetings. Studio G has really dug in and started looking at some really finite details with the envelope with the windows, as well as some interior elements that myself and my pre-construction team are working on some costing exercise to help better influence and get the most cost-effective design and products and materials within the building. So that has been an ongoing exercise that we're continuing to do with the entire project team. We've met with PseudoG and their consultants just to review some of the results from the pre-construction work that happened over April vacation, and that yielded some additional exploratory testing that Mary Lee and Mark both explained at the beginning of the meeting. So that work yielded a lot of good information and some follow-up activities for our team uh to further progress from a design perspective through the pre-construction phase uh as mary lee noted jonathan and actually lyle reed who's a littleton resident as well on our project team they attended the community workshop last week so thanks to jonathan and lyle for attending that with sga and the rest of the team and then uh new item for us we are actually jonathan and i uh got connected with Heidi McGregor, who is the K-5 STEM integration specialist within the district. Jonathan and I are actually participating and helping her with the district-wide STEM challenge next Tuesday, May 26, called the Can Do Critters. So Jonathan and I will be meeting up with Heidi in the class and participating in that event with her and her students. So we're excited to be doing that and getting engaged with her classroom as well. Excellent.

Any questions for Gil Bannon, construction manager update? Okay, the owner, a couple of items to discuss. Sadly, the retirement of Superintendent Clinchy coming at the end of June. And we know we have a new superintendent who joined the meeting with us yesterday, which was nice. He had a conflict for this evening, but he joined the meeting yesterday, which was great. And it'll be good getting him engaged in the project going forward. And are you going to attempt an election of a vice chair at the meeting this evening?

Mr. Chairman? Is there a nominee for the new vice chair?

I would like to nominate Sean Hearn. Thank you. I'd accept.

Well, it hasn't been seconded yet, Sean.

I'll second it.

I'll second it. Okay.

All in favor, Kelly? Kelly Clancy, yes. Sean? Sean O'Hearn, yes. Steve Venuti? Steve Venuti, yes. Jim? Jim Duggan, happily yes. Bob. Bob Romley, yes. Mike. Mike Scannuto, yes. Michelle.

Michelle Kane, yes.

And I will say yes as well. So that's unanimous. Welcome, Sean.

Thank you all.

Excellent. Item seven, we've talked upon already. The potential bedrock survey came out today. We'll be reviewing that and getting that information out, hopefully, to the committee, the financial committee, to get that started. Item eight, nothing to report. Item nine, nothing at this point. We discussed in item 10 most of the project meetings that have been going on, coordination meetings, field meetings, project updates with the department that took place on the 19th, which went very well. Item 11, project invoices. We have four invoices to submit for approval this evening. Invoice number one, invoice 32 from Studio G Architects for basic services and the amount of $498,000. To do these separately, to do them all together, it's usually separate, correct?

I think we can review them separately and then vote on them as an aggregate.

Sure. All right. So it's still item one, invoice number 32, $498,000 basic service to Studio G. Item two, invoice number 33 from Studio G, reimbursable services in the amount of $23,540. An invoice from AG Landscaping in the amount of estimated to be $8,500. We have, I believe we have the... Actual amount, yes. Invoice number 1015 in the amount of $14,623.33 has been submitted. There was additional work that was asked of them to do. The original estimate, I believe, was about $9,000, and there was additional work for them to do. That information was sent over to the financial subcommittee with a complete breakdown of all his invoice breaks down information, and we were satisfied with that as well. um item number four uh invoice returns housing and hearing invoice number i don't know what comes up with these pgin zero zero four seven five six six in the amount of forty six thousand three hundred and seventy dollars for the design development fees and just as a some information on ag landscaping uh peter and i both met with uh ag out there a couple of weeks ago and uh

it was determined there was additional work involved due to requests from Park and Rec. And so that work was completed. Excellent. Are there any comments or questions on any of the four invoices?

Motion to accept all of them.

Is there a second?

Second.

Okay, we'll do a roll call vote. Kelly? Kelly Clenchy, yes. Sean?

Sean Hearn, yes.

Steven Udy?

Steven Udy, yes.

Jim? Jim Duncan, yes. Bob? Bob Romley, yes. Michelle?

Michelle Kane, yes.

And Mike? Mike Scudetto, yes. And Steve Moore, yes.

Excellent. Thanks very much. At the meeting yesterday, Robin Healy did have a question about the updated cash flow, which we are currently working on to include. We have the estimated cash flow to start the project. Now we're going to be including the actual numbers in the cash flow, and we'll be submitting that information shortly. Item 12, no new business.

Can I interrupt for a second? Sure. Can I go back to Sean's appointment as the vice chair? I'm assuming the intent is to also add the new superintendent, Mike Kyra, when he comes on board. But my question, I guess, to Mark Stafford is, there's some notifications we have to do as a result of board member changes to MSBA. Do you handle that? Sure.

Yes, we will.

I just want to make sure it gets done. Thank you.

We will take care of that and also the addition of Chris on the team. It's just a requirement that the MSP agencies understand who's in the project and who's coming and going. So yes, we'll take care of all of that.

Yeah, I just want to make sure it gets done and it doesn't fall in the cracks. Thank you.

No, I appreciate you bringing that up. That's a very good point. Good point, Steve. Thanks. Good call, Steve. We'll definitely have that done before Kelly departs. We'll shoot for the next meeting and have that information taken care of. very good uh no other business are easily anticipated next meeting dates are listed june 17th for the next for the meeting in july that will be a motion to approve the submission of design development um to the msba which is another big milestone uh and then the best of the dates that are shown there again and we get into december for doing 60 construction documents so things are moving along i think quite well um and uh that's that's all we have to offer mr chair

That's terrific. Appreciate you going through that, Mark. Any questions or comments from anybody? Any member input? Well, then, is there a motion to adjourn?

Motion to adjourn.

Second.

What's everyone waiting for?

Yeah, what was that delay anyway?

I figured Bob Romley would beat me to it.

I said it, but I was waiting for Bob.

He usually would.

He's got his finger on that trigger usually.

Yeah.

Okay. Roll call vote, Kelly.

Kelly Clenchy, yes.

Sean.

Sean Hearn, yes. Steve Anuti.

Steve Anuti, yes. Jim. Jim Duggan, yes. Bob. Bob Romney, yes. Mike. Mike Scudetto, yes. Michelle.

Michelle King, yes.

And Steve Moore, yes. Thanks for your participation tonight, Mark. Thanks for going through the agenda. Great to wrap this up in less than 45 minutes. Wonderful.