Planning Board - Regular Meeting

Uh, let's call the May 15, 2025 meeting of the planning board to order. Let's stand up. Do a little pledge. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Okay. Um I did win. There was no one to win against re-election. I have been sworn in. Um the first uh item on our proposed agenda is board elections and appointments. Um I would like to continue as chair. Um you're not supposed to self-promote yourself. You know that's okay. Well, I already put the fix in. Violet was going to Violet was going to nominate you. You just ruined everything. I'm sorry. I apologize. Um, I've been chair for the Well, I want to do a little All right, go ahead. Uh, I've been chair for the last year and I think, uh, it took a little while to get on my feet and I'm on my feet and I'd like to continue for the next year. I think we have a good group. We have a lot of talent both on the board and in the professional staff and I hope we don't have some of the more weighty measures uh that we've had in the last two years. uh and we just have the more run-of-the-mill uh planning issues, but I think that we conducted ourselves uh well, and for example, with the last town meeting, though the marijuana

bylaws did not pass, we did our job by putting it forward and uh giving the town um the wherewithal to vote on it. So anyway, that being said, I nominate Carol Baker actually, okay, for chair. And so I would like to say that the that the nomination is based on the fact that chair should trade out annually. And I also believe that he did a good job at our town meeting representing the planning board's work and he has time. He's newly retired. Wow. Nice. So, I would like to nominate Jeff for Thank you. Um, I'll weigh in. Daryl's been here a year. If you want to be vice chair, I don't have a problem with that. You know, there is a there is a bit of a learning curve to it. I think um especially dealing with Marin all the time. Half the time Marin calls us to say, "Well, how do you want to handle this? What do you want to do?" Um, I think Jeff did a great job. And if Jeff wants to do it again, I would support Jeff doing it again. And I like I said, if you want to be vice, I'll step away from vice if if that'll make if that's what you'd like. Well, reading the tea leaves, I don't think I'd be chair after the session here today. So, that would be probably a good um alter stepping stone. How's that? So let's um dispose of the and and to to the comment about the um uh every year I I think in theory that can work but in the past we haven't had

a group of people who wanted to be chair and what happens then um so I think In theory, it probably is not good for some to go on and on and on, but I think two consecutive terms is um it's not out of bounds. Takes a while to get your feet wet. And I guess I would say that given the situation is that you did have somebody do have somebody who's willing to run that that's an option for the board. Okay. Okay. Thank you. Uh may I have a vote? you nominated. We Let's We'll start with with um Jeff. You nominated Jeff. I'll second that. Okay. Okay. Um all in favor of uh me for chairman, please say I I I opposed. Opposed. Okay. The same. Okay. Uh so I will continue as chair. Not for vice chair. Uh Mark has nominated Daryl. Do you accept that? Okay. Uh all in favor of Daryl um being vice chair say I. I. I. Opposed. I'll abstain. No. And Daryl will be vice chair. Um now clerk Bartlett, do you want to continue as clerk? Well, I know it's a really ownorous jobous, but I'll make that sacrifice if I as long as we have to have a the stamp. Yeah. Um Okay. The next um we have to vote it. Okay. All in favor of Bartlett Harvey being clerk, please say I. I. I. I.

Okay. Um we have several other the appointments to other committees has wound down somewhat. Uh for a while there we were I think in general the committee activity has wound down as I understand it. Um I would like to continue to be the rep for the CPC. Uh we also have um planning board members on the affordable housing trust. Um and as members of this affordable housing trust, they're also in the CPC and and then we have the various regional planning uh entities. Marin, would you explain what those are? Yeah. Um so our regional planning agency is MAPC. The select board um appoints one um MAPC member. The sub region which is the smaller third group of 13 um towns. Um that's the magic region and there are two town appointments to that. The select board has one appointment and the planning board has one appointment. Um and in the past have you been the the town's signal rep to magic and would you like to continue that? No. Okay. I'm recommending what is the what is the time um commitment? Um the are they Zoom meetings? Are they in person? Um mo mostly in Zoom. Um every once in a while there will be a imper an in-person activity or special meeting. Um so usually two or three of those through in in a year and then meetings every month except over the summer. Is anyone interested? Um they're usually Tuesday mornings. Okay. We have a death wish.

That's totally appropriate. Okay. Yeah. Good. Thank you for raising your hand. Is there any objection? You worried about No, you're not after a job. I mean, is anyone else? No, I don't think so. Okay. Cuz there's another appointment to uh to the more state. There was MAPC and Magic. Well, magic is the smaller one and then the select board has that appointment. Good. Okay. They've made those appointments. Okay. Um, anything else for Oh, uh, let's wrap up the CPC. um is um I guess well let's ask who is in do we have to officially um vote on this? I recommend you go ahead and take vote. Sure. Let's take a vote on myself being uh part of the CPC. Um all in favor I you can have it. Yeah. Uh okay. Uh that uh takes care of our proposed uh the um the first item. Second item is board business um where MRN will talk about the letter of determination of compliance with section 3A of the zoning act. Um just wanted to take a moment to celebrate all the town's work and successes and we um got the official letter from um housing and livable communities that MBTA district is in compliance. So we have checked that box. We're in compliance. We moved from um yeah so so we've moved in into into compliance. So that is completed and take a moment to celebrate that. Okay.

Um housing choice application. You you've made the you successfully made the application. Yep. And um we haven't heard back yet. Um but the application was um completed um in the middle of April. So we met the deadline for that application. Um I I want to uh well I guess we can do that later. um the annual town meeting. So there were several uh articles that were of interest to us. Article 12, which we weren't responsible for, but we were in support of did not pass. Um I think we each can think of our own um you know, backseat quarterbacking about that. Um but I hope that that effort does not um end. I don't think it will. Um the next was the um the mar the the several marijuana uh articles. um which the the main one to take the cultivation to zero did not pass. Um and as I said before, I think it was our job to bring it forward and uh I think that um that was an accomplishment. Um we spent a lot of time and a lot of money on it. We brought it to the people and yeah, for whatever reason they decided not to. It failed at the ballot also. Yeah, it did. Yeah. So, I don't think the town support to bring it there was the ballot. I I was talking with Dan Corey and she said the turnout was but it wasn't even a majority. It was I

know. But I guess my point is there was very little interest in this particular town election. Um but whatever. And I think that uh and we should carry this forward that all the air in the room will be sucked out by the the um Shaker Lane project at Valtown meeting. So um this is not the time to bring forward any initiatives even if we had them planned. Um and then the storm water, thank God the storm water passed. Yeah. And backing up a half a step, the um second marijuana bylaw passed the correction to the the odor control. Um it was such an effective presentation and convincing them the Thank you for the clerical corrections. Thank you for so for the town meeting duty. Uh do we have any comments on the April 3rd minutes? Uh, can we uh vote to accept them? May I have a motion to vote to accept them? I'll make a motion we accept as second motion. Um, all in favor? I I [Music] So, they're accepted. Uh, do we have any bills? We do have a couple bills. Um, let's see. The final bill from um in Associates for the MBTA community's work. She had held back a few hours. Um and so we we did have a brief discussion when when it did pass. She's probably going to be able to buy a vote after this. Um or a poll anyway. Yeah. There you go. Um I mean after all the work she's had because of this do it right. Um and then uh the second one is a um bill from uh Green International for um storm water review at the Russell Street

project. Okay. uh uh planning board meetings. So if I if I can jump in um so we got our annual letter from um the town accountant um asking how the board wants to handle signatures for um bills and for payroll. So currently for bills um you have a majority of the planning board members sign them. If you want to continue doing that then you don't need to take any action. And then the second part is how you want to approve payroll. Right now payroll goes to department heads and then to um the payroll office without money board review of each each. Okay. Does anyone have any opinion on changing the status quo? Uh not hearing any. Let's just keep it the way it is. See, that's what happens after one year. You get good at it. Okay, that's enough. Um, planning board meeting schedule. Um, yeah, no fun. What email was that in? I can't find I I couldn't find it either, but but basically the question is, do we vary do we need to vary from the first Thursday of each month going forward? So, yeah. So what we have proposed was the SK we had this actually posted on in the um meeting packet. So June is right now we have it it's June 5th. I understand there might be a question whether everybody's available for that date and then the rest of the summer we picked the the first Thursday except for November when there's a town meeting the first week of November. [Music]

I had a lot going on this summer, but I'm avoiding all the first Thursdays so I can commit at least through, you know, September. Um, so I'm in favor of just keeping it the way it is. And I would point out except for July where we're skipping the 4th of July. Okay. We used to be the third Thursday, now we're down to the first Thursday. So, does it really matter as long as it's consistent? So, that um what Cooper's done is um set deadlines for when new material needs to come in for a meeting and he posts that online and anyone else have have as right now my calendar looks pretty compatible with that. Anna, and do you have any? No changes. I think I'm okay on that. Okay. Okay. So, we'll adopt this schedule. Okay. Thank you. Um, and then while we're at it, the June meeting, you were questionable on the 5th. It wasn't. No, I think it's fine. Okay. Thank you very much. [Music] I have a whole summer of 90th birthday parties, coast to coast. Um, how many times can we turn 90 in one year? I am several several different people. Um, okay. So, so, uh, before we move on, while we're on this the meeting schedule and stuff, the one thing that I'm I find difficult is the mix of things that are in the PDF, the links there versus links that are on the website. And I guess I'd prefer if the agenda that we came out with had all of the links for the information for the meeting so that I didn't have to try to figure out which site to go to in order

to look for information. So that when we send out the thing here, even if you just copied and pasted all the links from the planning board page into the appropriate pieces here. But even like just like I said, I'm I was at a loss to find the meeting schedule. don't know why I couldn't find that uh there because it really to me it just wasn't in one spot to readily get. So I'd prefer if the agenda that we get uh there includes all of the links for all of the information for the for the meeting there if we could consider that as a change to how we prepare the um the information packet for us. Agree. because it's we have to go to two different places um and pretend that we're all little babies that have to be fed um and I have no problem with you know thinking myself that way with this type of thing. So anyway, what what practically speaking is there any problem with that? Um so one of the purposes of the um uh project pages or is just over time as things come in for each meeting we'll add those near the top of the page and you can go down and review things that were before. So um as an extension would you be just looking for the um any new materials? the material for the meeting. I mean, the history and stuff, I can go look that up, but like if if there's a letter that says that we're, you know, that, you know, from one of the from on one of the other boards, it would be nice if it was just linked directly out of the packet here rather than, you know, I I think it's probably if you just took the current the current section of the planning board project thing there and just pasted that into the agenda and just keep, you know, and then you send us the agenda. we'd automatically have all of the current links. So, the agenda would have the project page as a link. No, not the project. Well, the the

project page could be linked, but I think the the material pertinent to this meeting should be in the clickable from the agenda that we get. Yeah. Because in the old days, Marin, you used to list the link of what we were looking at even though it was like three months later. So, we could look at it that way, right? So if you want to continue to do that, but like Daryl says, all the new stuff is there that's just come in. Like if we got a report from the from the fire department or something, put that. And if we want to look at the history, we have to go back to the link. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe maybe you do it on the date of the you know, whatever's been submitted since the last meeting or something. And and maybe just looking at the format there. Well, again, you have a couple of different formats because you also have the a link to a cover page which has different information than sometimes there. So, I I'm just looking to try to get it, you know, uniform uniform. So, even if it this format here, um, you know, if on the cover page, the cover page had all of the all of the links for it. It's just so that it's like just readily, you know, well, readily access um to do it on the cover page. Um, we can do that because that has all the information that we supposed to need. Duplicating work. So, um, not not doing it on this because this is more or less a This is Yeah. But goes to the town clerk's office. Exactly. Not doing it on this, but the cover page is something for us and maybe that would then Yeah. That would have the summary of everything for the meeting. Okay. So, and and for in this example, um you rather than the link to the project page, you'd like have the material that we need to review documents right there. Yeah. We can give that a try. See how that works for you. If it's ownerous, it's owner, you know, you I think that'll also be easier for any residents who are looking at the

documents. You can give that a try. Well, now that you had all the extra time since you're not doing magic meetings anymore. Um, okay. Member update on projects. The big update was the groundbreaking last week for 550 came. Did anyone was anyone able to attend? Yeah, I attended. And were you just wowed and overwhelmed and Well, we didn't get to sit up on the stage with the Okay. of all the big wigs. Um, but fortunately, we didn't have to give a speech either. So, I guess that was the uh we got little sandwiches. Okay. No, it was nice. I I mean, there weren't slices of pizza. There was Okay. No, it was I thought they um it was very nice. I mean every you know the support um from the congressional and representative pieces was pretty pretty impressive for them all to come and quite frankly I think Sal did an excellent job presenting the sort of the project and where he wants to go with it. So I missed it too. It's okay. We were taking names. Well since it was scheduled five days before I think it's um yeah and rescheduled three times during um Mr. Mr. Chair, I think one of the things that would be helpful is that from the photos that I could see, it looks like there were new ones that this board hasn't seen before. So, Oh, in terms of the renderings, okay, I think it would be good, especially since they haven't been before us to show us whatever the renderings I I've noticed um there was a rendering that was out and about that was clearly out of date. I mean, I think there's a combination of

outofdate and new that hasn't haven't been seen. Um, do we have a leaz with their what's the fellow's name? The development guy. Um, Rick, not Rick. No, Rick is I think is sort of they have a they have a development um Steve. Um, so, uh, Morgan Pearson is the real estate rep for the public development. Maybe that's it. Well, anyway, like, can we reach out and see? Um, they have told us that they're going vertical and se, you know, in the fall. Well, you know, um, is that what they said at the meeting? They've said that in the last Yeah. The last time they were before us in the last couple months, it was vague with the same type of thing as before, you know, the actual construction started. Um, yep. So they are holding um every other week um uh video conference with um several of the uh departments uh police, fire, um DPW, uh light and water uh just you know provide a quick update on on the work that's being done on site and coordinate any um assistance that they need from the town. Can you be included in that? Are you a recruiter? I Yes, we are. Are you you are okay. Um and so maybe we ask, you know, we'll ask you to report at the next meeting what you know, the update today is they're working on drainage. So exciting. Yes. Um okay. Anything? Uh Northern Bank is being built. It's the weirdest construction sequence I've ever seen. They have do this, then they go away,

then they do a little more. And um but whatever. And um Hey, it's watertight. Yeah. Well, no, they're doing all the banking stuff, the safes and all that stuff. Oh, they are? Oh, yeah. They've been there for a couple weeks. Oh, wow. Um the uh uh the 12 Robinson, three of the four units have been sold and are occupied. Um what else is there? Um, so the one I added back on that had been quiet for a while was the 254, 256, and 260 air road. Uh, that's the intersection of Air Road and Willow Street, the um service station that there that's there that's going to be redeveloped into um Energy North, right? Uh so uh their uh permits are still valid given well given where we are in time but they have been extended for another two years um with the um state law that passed in in what August the Leads Extension Act. Um so I had reached out to the team and you know asked them yeah you know you know what what their I was driving by there today thinking well at least this the state got on that yeah the road sounds yeah right and so so they are still they are um doing some uh investigations on site they do still plan on moving forward and then they provided a letter their understanding of the um state extensions and we that certainly that's they've done a good job of explaining the extension. No action is needed on the part of the town or on the part of the applicant. Um to our audience, um several of the agenda items have been withdrawn or or will be continued. What are you here for? Um the catalos that that is withdrawn

postponed and I and I yeah it's well there whatever. So I want to tell you now so you can stay you don't have to stay because it was okay and there will it be like at another time another meeting then or there will be another meeting on that property but there's nothing scheduled scheduled no so does this mean this is this is still in the works or is this being No it's definitely in the works that he will be selling that property okay so okay okay thank you I just wanted to give you the consider consideration of rather than sit here and listen to us do nothing. Yeah. Okay. Um any other input from anyone? Well, as it relates to this, if if 245 Foster Street is nothing's going on there or 95 Taylor Street, should we continue to have them on here? Probably not. There's nothing going on. The only thing they're doing at 245 is they're putting the sidewalks in and everything, but it has nothing to do with 245 foster, I guess. So, and and Strawberry Farms is being built or marketed. So, yeah. Are you here for Catalos? No, I'm here for 64 Beaverbrook. That is being continued. the hearing will be open and continued uh pending their uh conservation commission work. Okay. So you don't have to I I want I want to tell you now so you don't have to stay until but um and then that one we do have a continuation date of uh June 5th. Okay. So take note of that because once it's opened there won't necessarily be notice. There won't be a like a newspaper advertisement. Not that there was for this. So So I got this as an butter as an butter. So why

don't you take a note and say the the next the hearing will continue to June the June 5th meeting and uh then look at the little the planning board page to see the time. Okay. or or call the office. Yeah, you're welcome to stay, but you don't have to. Yeah, I'm sure it's fascinating. I'm not sure it's fascinating. It's great. Be encouraging people behind the curtain. So, um, thank you. Thank you. Next item. Is it 650? Yes. Uh, 31 Chatt Street. As I understand it, we do not have the engineered uh plot plan. Correct. Okay. So, we will not um and hopefully I won't put it on again until we actually have When are they actually um opening? Isn't it soon? Um yeah. Yes. The grand opening is tomorrow. Oh. Oh, wow. The senior center tomorrow afternoon 1 o'clock. Will cake and ice cream be served? Everybody's invited. Probably not. Cool. um 100 Taylor Street. Uh we have a revised site plan with several little um alterations. Um can we get that on the screen? Mhm. And it uh it should be time to um endorse that. [Music] So we are past the days of getting a myar with a singer block and everything. Okay. Um so what we did was just print it out the the small version. Um I don't know that it's necessary for you to sign

it. Just I would ask either either sign it or vote to um say this is this is the final plan. Okay. Uh any discussion, Darl? One of the the alterations was the driveway that you had requested. Um and the square footage of the addition and the square footage of the addition is is noted. So can I have a motion to endorse this? Um are we calling the site plan amendment? Sure. Uh for I'll make the motion. Pardon? For 100 Taylor Street site plan as amended. Um is can I hear a second? Second. Second. Uh all in favor? I. All any opposed? Uh so uh let's go to the next agenda item. Uh 60 the hearing for are you hearing for 64 Beaver Brick Road? No. Oh, okay. Are you here for Catalo? No. Okay. Because those are two items that are being continued. Continued. So, if you were there for them, I would allow you to leave. Um All right. You would want to leave. So, um the the Beaverbrook Road uh property requires um conservation commission um input which they are taking. So, uh by the time they get back to us, uh well, we will open the hearing. Correct. Mhm. And uh so can I let's open the hearing first. Um, can we read out the um Yeah. Uh, the Littleton Planning Board

will hold a public hearing on Thursday, May 15th, 2025 at 7:10 p.m. in room 103 of the Shadex Street town offices at 37 Shadex Street to consider a storm water management permit under chapter 38, article 2, storm water management and erosion control of the code of Littleton. Property 64 Beaverbrook Road map R19 parcel 18 owner applicant Michael and Hannah Grew engineer Dillison Roy Civil Design Group Inc. Application can be viewed online at the planning board page of the town website littlemma ma.org or at the planning board in the town clerk's office during their business hours. Any person interested or wishing to be heard on the proposed work should provide written comment to the planning board office to my email address by May 12th if possible or attend the public hearing. Please feel free to call the planning board office with the number or email with any questions uh signed Daryl K. Baker clerk. So can we have a time for the June 5th meeting for the agenda? Um yep. Um, so I would recommend we do this early to um at like 6:45. Fine. Now, you know, they have to go to Tana Westford for planning board approval as well, right? Yes, we're just doing our part. I know, but we have to send them there. They're already filed. It it did confuse me when I was looking at the ab budding property uh map and saw this little parcel and it was supposed to be 10 acres and then I realized what was going on. Um okay, they have the fun of permitting in both Littleton and Westford. So yeah. Uh so let's compete to see do we want to be more ownorous than Westford or less ownerous than Westford. Um,

so let's um have a motion to continue the hearing to 6:45 on June 5th. So moved. Second. All in favor? I. Okay. Um next, um Harwood Avenue lots one and two, storm water permit and scenic road review joint hearing with tree warden. So we will open this hearing as well. Realizing we're a little early. Oh, 7:30. Are you the tree warden? No, no. I'm I'm here to just observe that here. So, just so we know, um the next two agenda items, uh the Gataldo property has been withdrawn and the ANR for Nog Hill Orchard is not ready also as I understand it. And we're a little early for this hearing. I see that. Yeah. Wow. tree warden and Steve Whitman is actually Republican. Sure. No. Yeah, that was 10 minutes ago. Please identify yourself. Well, he can go for 24 minutes and then just fill the time until 7:30. Hawker Heartwell Avenue also on the select board. Um I had two things I wanted to mention. Um the Northern Bank development, I know you guys put in um a lot of crosswalks. Uh we're asking this there we're in a process of asking the state to put in the beacons at the different cross rocks. So um help identifying where those are and um help in additioning the state would be

helpful. Um we're in the process of getting three on um in the in the works right now on King Street, one at Pawnside, one at Castle in the Trees, and another one potentially at Baldwin Hill. Those are all in the works. Um, my other request request from being on the from the select board is to appoint someone to write an article for the town newsletter every month. Um, to help keep the residents informed, um, it's it's a bit of a pain to do um, having spent the past year doing it, but it's very important to do to keep people informed. So, I suggest you appoint someone and make them responsible for doing it. So, thank you. Thank you. I thank you for the comment and uh since someone in my neighborhood was hit by a truck at the castle in the trees, someone from one of the reps, state reps, called Laura and said, "We're getting we're getting you three uh you know, beacon things," which is great. Um what's the pro process for that? Does the state pay for it or on the state roads? The state installs that. Yes. Okay. But it's a long process. We petitioned for those over a year year and a half ago. So, okay. I mean, I noticed the one that went up on uh New Town Road and I think was part of the New Town Road repaving, but you know, that shouldn't have been a priority for those beacons. Um, and I I was Anyway, so that's good. I don't know. Um I know that the Northern Bank people were going through the state approval. Did that include crosswalks or Yes. Oh, thank God.

Um now the next thing is uh just in terms of input um what's we were told that repaving was supposed to start in April. Um we were okay. And they haven't started the the the trenching at the whatever. Yeah. Yeah. My understanding was that they were waiting for a mascot action on Okay. when they could start because of course that's the question. Some someone who had been a local resident and is now living out of state was back and was saying, "What is wrong with Littleton and its roads? you know, why can't you do something going, uh, it's, you know, it's on the way. Um, anyway, any since we have at least 15 minutes to kill, um, any other topics, comments, not necessarily planning related. it when I was putting together the um email that I sent around about the housing choice application, it was good to go back and reflect on, you know, what programs um the Littleton has been eligible for by being a housing choice community and getting the extra points on various types of grant applications. But then I put in bold those ones that we had actually received funds through and it was a I I was impressed with the list. Could we make that as our newsletter contribution? Um, sure. For next month since you've already done the work. That's too much. Yeah. One thing I know um fall town meeting is priority is is the um school, but we have I believe the

states published the draft ANR um reg uh bylaw. We probably need to adu um I don't even know what I said. Acronyms Yeah, the ADU bylaw that uh we probably ought to uh try to get that cleaned up and prepared so that we can adopt the uh the updated regulations. I I think we had decided to put that off until next spring. Um because there are a lot of related issues having to do with um well we do have some choices with you know there they're requiring us to accept ads but there are some choices we have and uh there's also the short-term rental thing and blah blah blah. So um well the biggest thing is going to be the septic that's going to be the determining factor. So yeah, it's not as well it's not as critical. Now I I I happen to have a project that in Newton that was developed with an ADU and the developer was extremely excited about it and he is saying that he may have made a mistake that people are not responding to having an ADU in their expensive home. Um, and they just sort of like, well, why are there two kitchens, you know, or why, you know, that that type of thing. So, anyway, I it it remains to be seen, you know, how it's going to be adopted, but maybe we could keep track of any applications that come in through the building. Oh, absolutely. um that I I feel the main issue is that it effectively zones two families

everywhere because these ADUs can be condoed. I mean there's that's condo is just a form of ownership and it depends on how they're you know physically laid out. But um it's a pretty significant um change. But as Mark pointed out in our community because we have septic it's there's more restraint on it. But um I think there's going to their goal is to create housing. Their goal is to create modest housing. And um it's a lot of a goal. I just I don't know what it means for us. Um I guess my my point would be is is um the states drafted the uh model bylaw, which I think I took a look through it. The the issues, you know, the really the only optional issue that they talk about is whether you're going to allow short-term rentals or not in it. The rest of it is all pretty defined there. So I don't know. My concern is is by us having our existing one which is not in direct compliance with the new law, it leaves a level of ambiguity and you know potential uh conflict in terms of interpretation. Well, you do have discretion square footage. You can't go under 900, but you can, you know, create a different ceiling or something like that. Um, why don't we start a project page and post the draft bylaw? Yep. Already done. Already done. Okay. Yep. Yep. And um have been had several conversations um with building commissioner as the zoning enforcement. He's the one that would both get any application receive any applications um plus um advising uh residents on how how to proceed. So,

he's he's all over that already. Um, I can imagine that at Springtown meeting, we'll have the opportunity to um inform the 200 to 400 residents that are there, you know, what ADUs are, make a recommendation, and have it pass um by more than the um simple majority need that's needed. However, um Falltown meeting will likely be several hundred if not a thousand um residents who don't pay attention to zoning. And so having to um if teach that many more residents about what it is that we're trying to do would be that much more difficult. Um I mean we should we you know we would at of course have public you know have a public hearing and um what is Mark what is the select board strategy for the falltime meeting in Shaker Lane? Are you sort of clearing the decks or we're not putting cont I don't think it is either but it is somewhat it is tedious. Well, but it's also a a break from a sort of long-standing single family home tradition. And we do have an accessory. We've always had an accessory by law. Um uh and um what we're what staff is doing right now is um MAPC is working with Littleton and two other communities on um recommendations on how to get through the process. So, we have several months with them. Okay. Um, starting I think next week is our our next meeting with them. Um, and they're using Littleton as a guinea pig on on some recommendations to make. So, should

we why don't we can we somehow um institutionalize that in our agenda as we go forward as sort of submerge it through the process? Absolutely. um you know come back to it. Let's all familiarize ourselves with it because Darl and I went to a seminar on it and they at that point they didn't have the laws. Right. But I think it would be good to wait a little while to see how this condo question falls out. Okay. because that is one of the questions that's not um sometimes some of the thought process is if you do conduit it then you don't may not have a primary use and a secondary use might have two primary uses which which is which is the two family thing which is sort of implied in what we yeah I I was really interested in this uh presentation which was on the state which was the state uh um employee the state people who or were they doing the bylaw? They were doing the bylaw. Yeah. And but they emphasize that like everything in real estate, these are um the legal system will shape this going forward. In other words, just like the accretion of real estate law that you know governs pretty much everything we do is is you know happens over time and this will definitely happen in this case. So right as as the AG's office is ruling on those communities that are adopting it early, we can see what's passing and what's not passing. So if you're going to say that you want to that we want to codify the process that we want to go through is this to track the um between the meetings and the evolution on the other pieces there.

I can accept that. Uh I can't accept that because there's going to be a thousand people possibly at fall town meeting. We don't want to talk about it then because we always complain that not enough people are showing up at town meeting to vote on these articles. So, I need that part kind of withdrawn from your argument. I'm not going to withdraw. I don't think that it's You need to be encouraging town participation because that's what the form of government that we have. I see your point. I You can't You can't say there's going to be a thousand people there, so we don't want to bring up this and and explain to everybody. No, that to me is unacceptable. that that may have been I the way I interpreted that comment was everyone will be preoccupied with this particular issue and it will take up a lot of time. It may go to another day, but we do this one first. It never works that way. It never works. But anyway, I I don't see the I just don't see the hurry. But, you know, we have professional guidance from the planning agencies. Um, I want to put on a schedule of what when we're planning on doing it then. That's I guess I don't you know because it's not on our agenda. So I want it if it's we're targeting for spring town meeting. Yeah. Pending these other discussions and shaping it over the course of the next several months. That's a plan that's fine. Uh there. Okay. Yep. And in our experience, if we have a good draft by January, we're a good good spot. We could even go forward, but and and of course, we would have a hear, you know, hearing or hearings. Um and uh yep, and consultations with building department and with zoning board of appeals. And hopefully that would be our big planning board

uh issue for the issue for the year in addition to all the you know the applications that are made but we'll see. Um okay five more minutes guys. Anything else? All right. Dean Lane. Dean Lane. Yeah. Um, so Dean Lane did transfer. Nice. A lot of time has been spent. Is it Habitat has it? Yeah. Great. Are you here for Catalos or I know you're not. Anybody here for Catalos or um what's the other one? 64 Beaver Road. Those have been continued. No. No. So basically the the uh the item at scheduled for 7:30 is Harvard Avenue lots wanting to. That's it. Okay. Five people for that. Wow. We should charge admission. Can we start early? I don't well Marin I I I I could have come to understand that it's not she's such a since we're since an it's an advertised public hearing we're opening the hearing uh maybe you can read the verbiage slow yeah slow read it with your eyes closed and guess the words so public hearing uh storm water management permit at Scenic Road Review, Harwood Avenue. The Littleton Planning Board will hold a public hearing on Thursday, May 15th, 2025 at 7:30 p.m. in room 103 of the Shadex Street Town offices at 37 Shadic Street to consider

a storm water management permit application under chapter 38, article 2, storm water management and erosion control of the code of Littleton and a scenic road review under chapter 143 scenic roads of the co code of Littleton. property is Harwood Avenue lots one and two map R07 parcel one. Uh owner applicant Peter Darolis Deca Corp Engineer Goldsmith Preston Wingwall Inc. applicant is requesting approvals to develop two lots as single family dwellings with associated driveways and utilities on Harwood Avenue. Application can be viewed online at the planning board page of the town website at littletonmma ma.org or or at the planning board and town clerk's office during their business hours. Any person interested or wishing to be heard on the proposed work should provide written comment to the planning board office uh my email address by May 12th if possible or attend the public hearing. And please feel free to call the planning board office 978-5402425 or email um with any questions. Sign Daryl K. Baker clerk. Let me get to the right project. That clock's fast. The actual time we have seven minutes. Oh, I was going to say I like this clock. You like that? Maybe we go by this clock. You can have that. Yeah. Um, we only had 17 clocks in there that went on atomic time, but whatever. We had several continuations and withdrawals

and whatever today. So, you've been waiting around for us all evening. Yeah, we're just really excited. We're here for you. Well, it's been a little while since we're here for you, Bruce. Well, you have a long history with this project, with this land. Yes, I do. Um, maybe you can give us a little history, which isn't really part of the hearing about how it was uh open space development and I'd rather not say we don't want to I don't want to stick my foot anywhere, so I'd rather not. Can we talk about like the disposition of the rest of the parcel? What's going on? No, you don't know. Not my position. Not your Okay. [Music] Yeah, he knows it as much as we know, which is nothing. It's hard to hard to predict. I can't help you with the rest of the project. Okay. Well, we're just curious. We you know, we've we can tell you that we're here to talk about two of the lots that were ANR. Yes. So, there's five more ANR lots. Five or four? Five. Five. Five. Yeah. You don't know whether they're going to do anything with the rest of them, right? You have no idea. Well, the ANR plan looked remarkably similar to a plan that I did for them some time ago that in like 20. What was that? Yeah, they didn't want us talking about the site before 7:30. Just one administrative thing. So, in the thing here, it's Harard Avenue lots one and two, but on the project page, it's 195. Yeah. I reused the Healey Corner um project page because it's the same site. So you you'll notice when you look at your your town road maps, we

have Harwood and Tahan and they have an overlapping stretch and they have different names and different numbers depending upon where you are in that stretch. So it is rather confusing. Yes, the assessor's office was um did did confer with town clerk and planning on you know what what addresses addresses to use. We kind of thought one side of the road should be hardwood and the other side should be the hot one. Except that the one the Hadawan address the the old address is almost on the right. Yeah. Almost on the wrong side if you look at it that way. I believe lot three the White House still has a toadawan address. Yeah. So it's going to go lot one is who lot three the hatawan. Mhm. Other lots four, five, six are going to be hardwood again. Yeah. That's weird, isn't it? I I think the the lot should post office people want to change it. They didn't want that, right? The lot three. Was that lot three should be hardwood, shouldn't it? One would think so, but there's uh apparently some long family history there that we shall not get into or should we go where it's that they deemed hatamon was a better address than Harwood. Okay. I I don't know. Yeah, we're almost there. I asked about changing it when she started and I got myself We need to appeal to the address police or something. We're almost there, guys.

By this clock in the meeting room, that's the official meeting room clock. It shows that we're past our scheduled u time for the hearing that Maren has already uh announced and um talked about. So I'm going to ask um the applicant and their representative to uh give us a presentation and and also understand the tree warden uh Steve Whitten is here. Okay. Ready, sir? Yes. Okay. Good evening. Wow, that's loud. Good evening. Bruce Ringwall, Goldmith Press, Ringwall, GPR, uh, representing Peter Darless, Deca Corporation, uh, who is the owner of lots one and two, aka 303 and 305 Harwood A. Um we have submitted a scenic road application and a um storm water uh management application for uh the board to entertain. Um lot one has uh three existing trees within the rightway and Marin I don't know if you can zoom in on the lot one driveway at all. Apparently not. Control roll won't the other one's good, but it doesn't show uh Well, we'll go to that. Um at the entrance of the driveway, there are three existing trees um of good size. Here we go. Here's some pictures.

Uh there's a Norway maple, a dead red maple, and a sugar maple um that are within the road. They've been posted. I believe Steve's been out with Dave from my office and looked them over and they've posted the trees. Um there's also a stone wall along this section. Uh the stone wall is actually out of the rightway. I submitted a couple documents that Morren can bring up if she likes if not or if the board prefers. Um but basically, as you're aware, um Harwood A was laid out as a county road, uh called Harwood Road at the time when it was laid out. And so it has an actual width. It's not just by walls and whatnot. And the the right of way width is in front of the wall uh in this location. However, um the applicant intends to do exactly what we do do when the road the stone wall is part of the right of way or within the right of way and addressed as a scenic road and that is use the stones that we have to move for the driveway to enhance other sections of the wall. We also have another there's closeup of the trees. We also have a uh another section of wall that runs quasi perpendicular to Harwood A um at the entrance of lot two that um he'll probably be using those stones to enhance the the entry walls along the road as well. And those stones are on the property fully on the property. Yep. All fully on the property. um make them use them for the turn as you turn around. So they turn into the property. Yeah. Or or enhancing the wall. As you can see, some areas are missing stones. Um along the frontage there's actually a little space uh down towards the end of

lot one, the beginning of lot two where the wall isn't there because of the old driveway that goes in on the left hand side of not to be confused but 195 Tahadawan Road and uh that that property has as you know several driveways to enter into it. Um so uh we will be enhancing the stone wall and cleaning the stone wall up um in the process of um moving forward with the the building on the property and using these stones accordingly. Um Mr. Whitten is here this evening and he has proposed uh the replacement of these trees. Um but there is as you can see from the photos very limited space between the right of way and the stone wall itself. Um and has made suggestion that we plant on the opposite side of uh the wall uh on the property side of the wall and um the applicants in favor of that. We will be thinning out uh some of the trees and the vegetation on that side um as part of what we have to do for drainage and also just to clean up the whole area so it's a appropriate front yard uh to the property. Um I believe that um Mr. Darus and Mr. Whiten have spoken uh relative to the number and size of trees and I think we're with two to three maples at two to two and a half inch caliber. Trying to get a three and a half inch caliber tree these days is very very difficult. Um that's been the proposal on that front. Marin, if you want to go back to the second sheet of the three sheet set.

So, relative to the storm water management um in meeting the phosphorus removal requirements um we are picking up the bulk of the driveway on lot one um with a swale that flows down into a um nope the other drive the other lot please. There you go. Right about there. It all flows into this bio uh retention garden. on lot one um for detaining, but also mostly in this case phosphorus um removal. And the entire roof of the um new structure will be collected via manifolds of the downspouts and recharged in the drainage structures right there. They are infiltration chambers that'll be put in um obviously underground. And both of these structures are set up to be um removed several feet above the bottom of them, several feet above the existing groundwater, which is fairly high in the site. Um so it has some issues with that relative to lot two. Very similar. The roof is being collected and recharged into a series of chambers that Marin is reviewing right there or highlighting right there. And then the full driveway goes on down to just about the middle of the septic system on lot one uh to a high point. And surface flow from lot one as well as the flow from the driveway gets picked up in a swale where her cursor is now and flows to the souths southwest all the way down to a uh forbay and then into a detention basin. And both of those structures basically are sitting on the surface of the ground grade. Um they will remove the top and sub and we'll put in the proper material underneath. But uh this

is again because they have the twoft offset to groundwater um and to recharge appropriately and with the calculations both on the plan and in the um 8 and 1 half x 11 package that was submitted. Uh it shows the requirements for uh the amount of removal um of uh area that needs to be dealt with for the water quality recharge and the amount being provided um for that and both those areas and it's my understanding that this has all gone out to Green International and no responses back as of this time or wasn't going to be available as of this time. Is that correct? They expect to have their review their first review done by the 23rd. So there's two separate issues before us. It's the scenic road and the storm water. Correct. Um let's first uh open it up to the board about the scenic road issues. And I would point out that there is no stone wall and no trees in front of the lot two because that's where the ex the second drive to 195 to one currently is. I personally do not uh bemoan the removal of a Norway maple anywhere. Um anyway as an invasive we 100% agree. Um I have no comments. Um, anyone else? No. So, my comment is just that I believe that unless this the tree warden's recommendation is changed that the applicant be asked to follow the recommendations of warden Whitney for

the replacement of the trees. Do you want to put that in the motion to what what exactly is the protocol for approving a scenic So recently we've been issuing written decisions. Okay. For that. Um but yeah. Um well we don't have a draft written decision but let's try to put it together so we can um um did you want to try Anna? Yeah. I I think that I as a motion. Yeah. So I I would move that um the board accept the recommendations of um Warden Whitten especially with respect to the uh the size of the caliper so that it follow the caliber of 3 to three and a half inch recommendation. I think just a in terms of I think when we did uh the other one was that strawberry or the one that we were talking strawberry farm uh there I think we just said that we want the the motion included inclusion of the tree warden's recommendations. Yes as part of the approval. Sounds good to me. Okay. Um Bruce, I believe you said that that three and a half caliber trees are basically not available. Well, it's been my experience over the last several years that when you try to get a three and a half inch caliber tree, you basically have to order it a couple years in advance. Um, or you have to go to New Jersey and have it brought up from New Jersey or something. Um, of the three trees that we have in front of the property, one is dead, one's an invasive, and one's a nice sugar maple. Right. So, I called and had conversation with Mr. Whitten and he said that this was something that we could have some discussion with him

about certainly and then I passed the baton to Mr. Darilus who reviewed the Littleton uh tree selections and has had discussions and I I don't want to speak for anybody so would like to speak. I was going to say if we probably let him speak but um his recommendation was two and a half to three inch not three and a half plus. So they already taking well because we heard two to two and a half and then three to three and a half can two. So it says no smaller then. Um okay. So I received the notification for the posting on 429 where I went in on site and I took the pictures to look at the trees and posted the three trees. So, let me just go right to it so that I have read correctly. If you could clarify what what your recommendation is, that would be great. Because you know, your letter in the main text says that they could do two and a half two two and a half to three. Yes. And then you have something else later. Yeah. I think if you could clarify, I will. Yep. Um, so on posting the trees on 429, you know, I identified the species, the one silver maple, which I identified as the left tree as you're looking at them, the one red maple in the middle, and a Norway maple. The silver maple is approximately 12 in for the caliper and a 10 in and an 11 in as it goes through. under the guidelines when we're looking at the replacement of trees, we have it that we were trying to get a three to three and a half caliber recommendations from the shade shade tree committee so

that we were trying to replace trees because they are a 12 in or 10 in or 9 in that we were getting some full body trees with the um wholesalers and the vendors. Now uh it is getting more difficult to get those trees. So I looked at the three trees as whole in a whole package and the entire area as its aesthetics and for the uh the vista of the road. So what I could recommend because of the Norway maple being an invasive that it is good to remove that and get that out of our ecosystem. Uh the dead Red maple would also be something that would come up on my list for removal in the future. It was then possibly going to be removed. That leaves us with the silver maple. That being of 12-in caliper would be a recommendation of replacement of two trees. So the written recommendation that I came up with is that they do setbacks so that they're looking at the stone wall, we're looking at the road, and we're looking at the scenic bister as it's kind of considered for a scenic road bylaw. That would give us three trees in replacement set back behind the stone wall because I feel that as the development goes on, they're going to remove more of the trees on their property. This would allow them to provide more aesthetic view and a better scenic road as it develops in the future. So that's why the recommendation was listed out as three two to two and a half. But still considering that, you know, with shade tree committee and other bylaws for conservation and everything, we were looking at trying to get larger, more

mature trees. We're hoping that this works in our favor as we move forward and then we'll possibly have to be looking at the caliper because of the um availability. So, let me ask a slightly different question uh here. So, the stone wall is on the not within the right away. Correct. Correct. And the tree What's the distance between the road and the right and the and the thing that could you put really realistically put trees in there anyway? It's about three feet. So, you really couldn't put trees there. So, you're going to have to put them in back of the stone wall. Yeah, that's why we were looking at a setback possibility here. Okay. And then by um the agreement of replacing and um rectifying the stone wall, we'll have the aesthetic of the stone wall in front. And then you will have a small grass area or debris area for plow uh snow storage during plowing and everything else. Not evasive to any of the road traffic. And then once it's set on the private property uh there is there how is that controlled that the homeowner doesn't cut it down? So in that responsibility that's um possibly going to be ordinances or developments in the future. Some towns are looking at a larger area for scenic roads, taking into effect more than just the rightway because a scenic road in the design is the entire viewpoint of what you're driving down. Um, in our original consideration for scenic roads, uh, we were hoping to keep treeline streets but on 16 18t streets laid out. Most of your roads are 40 foot rightways, but in your rural areas and some you're limited down to 20 foot, 30 foot rightways. Stone walls were always built as original property

markers. So now a few areas are starting to consider to take on that aspect. um as the town moves forward with the sha tree committee and conservation and hopefully with planning boards and opinions and your input maybe that's something that we look at in the future. Um but right now with what we have in place you know we want to utilize those guidelines. And one more question. If we concede that the um practical availability of the larger trees is non-existent, uh is there terms that we can have them warrant the trees for a couple more years to make sure that they fully establish? Uh there I think we require them for like a year or something once at least in my neighborhood when they put the trees in it was a year. But is there something given that would in in exchange for not having the fully developed 6-in trees or bigger trees that we'd want uh there uh a longer I'll just call it warranty period that I don't know if that's the right term or not. No, and absolutely that could be so the um it hasn't been placed on anybody at this time yet, but I'm sure if we feel that there's a need uh to work something out with the developers that you know um we want to have the watering and the care of that tree for a year or two years placed in. um that would be something that you you guys would have to really uh think about and put into the motion or into the agreement with your developer, you know. Um again, on private property, I can't state what any of the rules and regulations would be after the fact. Um I don't have anything else in place at the moment that could take a, you know, donations or an open account to fund trees in other locations.

um which is one of the things that we did on Taylor Street. You know, we set that um because of the location and the area of land between the other properties, we didn't have any room to place shade trees or a street tree to reimburse what we were removing. But at this time, we we are going to work out a you know something with that that property owner uh to replace it. This question might be more procedural for the board. Is is it feasible for us to put some type of easement or deed restriction on those trees that they're not to be cut down by the homeowner? I don't think that's feasible. I don't know how that would uh I I will say in my experience on my street there the shade tree committee placed two trees. They were not in the right way. They were beautifully placed and they were probably Rick Finley did it two and a half caliber and my my I live in Robinson Road and so they um one of the I would say there is a possible advantage in the long run of a smaller caliber tree because they have the opportunity as a young tree to establish I'm not opposed to to but but I would say one of them was cut down by the homeowner. Um I How would you feel if you had a property that um you were procluded from cutting down a tree? Well, I I think it depends on the circumstances. If it's uh part of the conditions as as they're building the house, it's a pre it's it's already defined. the buyer already knows that that's a uh an easement that's already been granted uh there versus us arbitrarily placing a tree after the the uh homeowners purchased the property

uh there. Those are two different scenarios uh there. Well, it's really no different if we do a development and we have trees that are going in the development. People buy the houses, they can cut the trees down. Well, but those trees that are placed are usually on the rightway. They're No, they're usually in their front yards. If you go down like Delaney Drive, there's a a boatload of trees that are in people's front yards that were placed as part of the uh development of the roadway. The only difference with this is it's not really the trees we're trying to protect. It's the stone walls. The trees are just there and as you can there two of them are dead and one of them is an invasive. So, it's not like we're really we're replacing them trying to make it look as nice as we can, but it's really the stone walls that make that give the road the character. I don't think there's any quibble about the fact that the trees need to be removed. I think the quibble is with based off the recommendation, what size are we okay with? And and and hold on. And if you're saying that the three to three and a half size was based off of the tree committee, the shade tree committee and so are you saying that by putting it in here you support their recommendation as well? So that's ultimately what I'm getting to because you're a subject matter expert. Oh, so um why I included that is so that you would have an idea of where I get my determination. I don't just create and make up the sizes or anything. Um it is a group of residents and individuals who make the recommendations on the tree bylaws and going forward. And as I work with them, we try to do the best even for the trees that I purchase going in at the common or any of the uh roadway trees, I have to sometimes purchase a less caliber to get a better quality. Okay. Um so in this particular case given um

uh what the applicant said about the smaller caliber are you okay with that? I am okay with that. Okay. So then I withdraw my my motion because like I said you're the subject matter expert. I'm going with what you're saying. So So getting back to the ownership of the tree. You're going to put it behind the stone wall. People are going to own it. You would hope they would take care of it but I don't think you have the right to tell them you can't cut it down if they just they own the property. They have the right to cut it down. Just like any subdivision we do where we have tree, front yard trees, every what is it? Every 20 ft we're supposed to have a tree or something like that. They have the right to cut it down. However, I think what Mr. Whitten said and relating to what Darl is talking about, we can perhaps work toward enhancing the uh concept of a scenic road. Um, and I know that I work in communities where they establish what's called a tree yard on every property. And within that yard, it's usually 10 ft, you know, perimeter. And within that yard, if you remove trees, um, you know, you have mitigation or you have review or the tree board comes out or whatever. Um, and the these are more closer into Boston communities. Uh but uh we could look at scenic, you know, scenic road bylaws and other The only reason I bring it up is because we can't place it logistically we can't place it in the right away which would the homeowner cannot like my trees along my street are in the actually in the right away. They're not on my property uh there. So I can't go cut them down, right? And because I think the whole purpose of because without something like that, this is smooth because you could put in a 6-in one and then just come in with a chainsaw the next day and cut them down. Uh which defeats the whole purpose of what this tree warden's hearing is to me. Uh for it. So I'm

going back again. It's not really the trees that are the critical part of this. It's the stone wall. I think it's a combination of Well, that's what makes it There's a lot of There's a lot of places where there are no trees. It's the stone. We're trying to preserve the ancient stone walls that run along the roadways to make it look like a scenic roadway. Yes, it's nice that there are trees there because little people in Littleton like trees. Okay, I get that. But the critical part of it is the stone wall. And I agree. We should do everything we can to to put the tree. If we're going to put the trees in, let's try to save them. I get that part. Yeah. And and I guess I'd bring it up also because the um the drainage basin that you're proposing is is like probably like right around where the trees are going to end up you know in that in that buffer space there uh on it. I would like to see us consider for the, you know, maybe it takes a modification to the bylaw or something or but I bring it up because the developers also represented here is is is there some type of easement or something that preserves those trees so that the homeowners are notified that they're not they're part of the scenic easement uh that went in uh for it. Uh I'm all in favor of putting it in as part of the decision, but no, this can't go in part of the decision. Um easements are it it we need further discussion of this. Well, I'm bringing up because like I said it it it just it this won't be the first time we have this issue. Yeah. Right. And I think expand you know in the future talking about expanding the concept of the scenic road is definitely appropriate. Y um so at the matter of hand at hand uh I I had one question is are you supervising the placement of the trees or the developer or um what I

would probably request is that the design be set forward where they you know because they have the drainage issues and they have the other things if they just put down on a plan where they would put them it could be sent over to my office I can look at it and it can be placed back onto the um planning board that it was approved, you know, by that design. Um that would be my recommendation. There would be some oversight of the placement of the Yeah, they can. Okay. Um, so and then we've Okay, we need a motion to approve the um removal of three trees on on this is lot one. Yes, sir. uh replacement of three trees with a hopefully two and a half to three inch caliber uh design uh for which will be um approved by Mr. Whitten andor the shade tree committee and then such approval conveyed to the planning board. Yep. You also need the rebuilding of the walls. Yes. that that takes care of the trees and then the uh the stone walls, no stone to be removed from the site to be um used to augment uh the existing stone walls on the site and um I would like to get some linear feet of wall to be removed. Can we do that? We have that for the driveway. You're talking for the driveway. Yeah. I mean, is it roughly 16 ft? 16 feet 12 foot wide driveway and and we have couple feet 116 foot section and on lot one and

then is there the stone wall is not a lot so it's 116 ft section on lot one and remember the stone wall you haven't you do you have a problem with that? No, we don't have a problem with you putting that in but it's not in the jurisdiction of this hearing because it's your property because it's on your property. So, we appreciate your cooperation. Yeah. My my intent was to uh as Mark was saying earlier on lot to put a little some curved walls on each side of that driveway with some of the stones we're going to use of the where the 16 ft section is going to be. But there's another wall that Bruce said earlier that goes perpendicular right that's well off the rightway. But there's a bunch of nice failed stones there. So, okay. We could use um do we have enough verbiage? So, Mr. chair. Um before we um move to close the hearing, um please remember to ask if there is any public input. Oh yes. And the in the um motion that you were making there um I I would suggest that the um we not do tree widen or uh shade tree committee. We just have one point of authority for approval uh for this and I recommend it being the tree not sending it back to a committee. I mean you can leaz with yeah I mean how he leazes um is fine but I don't think we should have multiple authorities in the motion um public anyone in the public uh making comments. That being said, um can we have a motion for our previous um outline of a decision? I'll make a motion that we approve it subject to what we've done in the past for our scenic roadways and the um bullet points that we've all discussed

about the caliber of the trees and the wall that's going to be replaced. Well, I bet we still have the storm water piece of it. Well, that's separate. That's separate. That's a separate thing. Okay. Yeah. Uh and is Can I have a second? We'll second that. Um all in favor? I I I. Um so that's your approval for the scenic road. Now, Mr. Whitten, you're standing before us. I want to compliment you on the work on the tree planting on the common. Um and um thank you for your sort of bringing us up to speed on what the current um way of thinking about scenic roads are and we'll take that into consideration as we go forward. Thank you. And I just have one recommendation for you is um in your letter if you could just say in here that in discussions with the shade committee this other stuff and in that way it allows us to just incorporate your letter of recommendation uh directly into the um into the finding the finding actually. So yeah, we don't have too many of these come up later. Thank god. Uh but it is uh interesting that you do have 28 roads listed on the scenic road. Um this is one that becomes tricky because of the rightway that is very narrow. So we get that placed down. Um the shade tree committee is also working on a tree bylaw for the town. Um and they're putting that together to help with placement of setback trees um placements in the choosing of native species and trying to get the uh eva invasives eliminated from the area. So many groups in town are working together towards the same goal. So I

thank you for your time and everything you need. Storm water. They don't have we but we do not have peer review. So we need a motion to continue. Um what do we want to do? Um, do you want to do this before the other one? So, um, will you be ready for next month, Bruce, with the storm water? We're ready. Well, I mean, I know, but in terms of incorporating any um peer review, not that it should be a bit too long subdiv 640. Well, we did 640. Okay. Okay. Oh, okay. Just one question. So, when um we have Green does the uh peer review uh there, will they look at whether there's any drainage issues from lots one and two into the existing lot that's uh that's not that's at the bottom of this plan but not on this plan. That's the butter. Well, they're required to not have any. But Green will take make sure that that's addressed in the U. Well, Bruce, you speak to that. You are you're talking about the property the the one that's down here, right? Yeah. No, we we're in total communication with that property owner and uh green will look as part of the peer review, right? The the technical deal with that. I'm just making sure that, you know, if the abuter is not here that those would be addressed. That's they can't by law they can't I know have any more water. You would be probably asking that question. Okay. Uh so next meeting 640. Okay.

Thank you. Your agenda um assuming peer review comes back and um all that. Um great. Thank you. That being said, uh we are we've completed our work. We got nothing to do. Yeah, it's kind of boring. We like we like we like um make a motion to adjurnn. Yeah. I Yeah. May I hear a motion to adjurnn? So moved. All in favor? Turn the turn the switch off.