Board of Health - Regular Meeting

welcome to the town of Littleton Board of Health meeting for today the 26th of March 2025 in attendance myself Matt Wason Dan Kane Kevin Davis and Kevin Baker as well as our health director Francis diggle and our health agent Jim graffy our first item on the agenda this evening is a 700 p.m public hearing on 6 5 Bruce Street I believe John Borman you are part of that good evening can you hear me yes we can super um more a little more familiar with the teams format than the uh than the zoom format but uh I appreciate it um it's nice to be able to do these remotely especially I'm a little under the weather today uh so we have submitted a request um under uh your regulations to allow the use of a retaining wall in a construction of a septic system for 65 Bruce Street I'm not entirely sure I oh yeah I can share my screen right show you you should be able to yes show you a picture if you're seeing my screen I've got a a little color up of the plan does that make sense to you yes super so right now we've got an existing uh dwelling located here on Bruce Street um it's down towards Wards the end of Bruce Street just before you get to the big farm all right John really quick can you zoom in on that drawing part we can see the whole width of your plan sure is that a little better yes yep so if you were heading down Bruce Street sort of heading towards Harvard um there's uh before you get to the big farm area there's a a house there on the right uh it's an existing three-bedroom house um shown here in brown they've got a porch and a deck and an existing septic system that I believe was part of the original House construction so it's probably pushing 25 30 years old it's

tired it's time for a new system um at this point they're also looking to put an addition on the right hand side of the property uh so we are proposing a new septic system um to serve what will be a five bedroom system at the completion of this U we've shown a primary here that will be a Presby and a reserve area that's in fully compliant with uh title five in the Littleton regulations uh to limit the amount of grading that would spill into what is the buffer zone because there's a wetland here at the bottom of the hill we are proposing a retaining wall under your regulations we are required to notify the abuts which we have done uh prior to the use of the retaining wall uh and come before you to request permission to utilize that retaining wall as part of the construction and that's shown here in yellow so that's what I'm here for tonight and happy to answer answer any questions uh before we go to the members of the board um comments from Francis Andor Jim point to Jim um so I witnessed the soil testing out here um reviewed the plan um as Mr bourman says um they meet Title Five with the uh you as it's set up they're actually grading out 15 feet that wall is really as Mr bman said is to catch the fill going into the the buffer zone um otherwise the plan complies with your regs in Title 5 so I don't see that it's really an issue H very well board questions Kevin Baker I have no questions Kevin Davis

uh I'm looking on trying to look on the uh plan to see where the exceptions are um I don't see them exceptions in particular um there's a you what the one that you're asking for variance W asking for a variance 10 foot from the property line or Phil or something no no Varan correct it's simply for the use of a of a retaining wall okay thank you so much and and the nice thing on this one is you're not even going to see the retaining wall from the street and it's really not going to impact any of the neighbors uh the only person who's going to see as the property owner when they're out on their deck probably okay it sounds great thank you so much and Dan Kane any questions uh I only question is why the Presby as opposed to a traditional system uh the Presby has some advantages in terms of uh the size of the footprint and the grading um allows us to keep the retaining wall a little bit smaller allows us to keep the cost down a little bit so all right thank you that's all I had um I don't think I have any specific questions um I think Francis do we get receipt of the notification to the abuts we did yeah okay um I have no additional questions there are a couple audience members if they are looking to ask about this particular public hearing please raise your hand looks like no questions from the audience I don't have anything else

um I guess since this isn't a variance request but it is a public hearing we would simply need a motion to say that they can go ahead with this project correct I make a motion that we approve the no that you just Jo what I was gonna suggest yep okay keep me honest uh make a motion that we accept the proposed plan with retaining wall as presented second that motion and a second roll call vote Kevin Baker Kevin Baker vot yes Kevin Davis Kevin Davis votes yes Dan Kane Dan Kane votes yes and Matt Wason votes yes thank you John for your presentation good luck with the project thank you I appreciate your time [Music] tonight next on our agenda is a 710 P.M M discussion further about uh basements and additions and room counts it's technically 707 it's not a public hearing we can either start early or have a member update for three minutes start um I'm not exactly sure so maybe let's just do an update on uh the um Thea Val medical CL real quick sounds good um so I sent out an email earlier today um regarding UMass Memorial

submitting application to put a satellite location in Groton um and then also a draft from the board of Selectmen uh select board sorry to moraly um I don't know if anybody got a chance I should have sent it earlier I apologize um but I just want to keep the board updated and understand the thoughts of the board selectman whether there might want to be some action from the Board of Health as well to be considered yes so I read both of them and does anybody else feel that the board of selectman letter was disconnected from what I understand the so let me clarify um so that was the draft letter that they reviewed at the meeting um and I think that was before they received notice about you Mass so I think that was written before the notification so not understanding that there was a proposed location being investigated um so I think the language and the letter is going to change I just want to make sure that we got it ahead of this meeting to understand that the content is going to be very similar regardless so looking for Action looking to work with everybody locally and creating more communication um would be the focus of that so whether the board wants to act in a similar fashion to support that um in some kind of written form that's something to maybe consider yeah we wrote a similar letter that was in a draft form when the the hospital was uh closing down um so I think we can totally in my opinion I think the board should either coign with the board or draft her own my

opinion so one solution could be is um we can nominate the chair to work with the Board of Health director to write a letter of support for what the board selectman um is proposing that works for me um did everybody get a chance to read the letter letters heads not okay um I think my only concern with with just outright support of the letter from the select board is that while it uses the phrase something like respectfully request there's a lot of that there's some content that I don't think actually is phrased you know as respectfully um I understand the frustration but I'm not sure if there's been a whole lot of communication if reading this there's been none but I'm not sure if there have been other interactions that I'm not aware of um I I think having a response from our board would be hopefully beneficial to the cause so I'm happy to help put something together what do people think so that would be we'll wait till we receive an edited letter from the select board and we can review it it'll just streamline the process cuz last time we had to wait to another meeting to be able to do something and then it was like well two weeks later was kind of like a little two weeks late yeah type situation so um once I get that letter I can forward it to the chair and we can formulate a response okay um I can email uh Mark and tell them that we're interested in coign and see what he says Kevin you had your hand up I was going to make a motion to nominate the chair to work with the

health director to formulate uh communication from the Board of Health regarding the hospital second motion and a second for that all call vote Kevin Baker we didn't hear you Kevin Kevin Baker votes yes Kevin Davis Kevin Davis votes yes Dan Kane Dan Kane vot yes I we and votes yes very well I will work with Francis and we'll see whether we can piggyback or need to produce something else so we'll let you know is that it um for now Francis very well then we'll bring us back to our agenda item next to 710 discussion on basements and additions and the last meeting we had some good discussion around the draft that I believe Kevin Baker wrote and thank you for doing that um and uh lots of good thoughts and lots of good ideas and I don't think we landed on something specific Kevin Davis is going to do some followup as well but Francis uh informed me that Jim you're dealing with some of these kinds of things around adus and such and we would appreciate input you have as we kind of grapple with how do we make a subset of rules that the community and engineers and everybody can understand um but also kind of make sure we're protecting ourselves and we're not putting ourselves in situations that make it difficult sure so I think you you've seen enough of these come before the board you you certainly realize the board it's within the board's right to approve deed restrictions and I think what we all struggle with and as to you is you know

what seems to be reasonable for making sure the septic system and the use of the house match we we really don't want to get to a situation where you're get in this mismatch and maybe too many people in the house are too much in the way of a use in the house um for us as the the field staff will work with the public each day and and you at some point it would even be good if we had a document that provides people kind of a path for it might minimize the number of times you need to see things before board meeting is to try to come up with a set of general principles um right now the board's policy if it's one room over you we can sign off on it as for a deed restriction and it's usually when there's more than one room being added to the house or if if we have questions we send them to the board for the board to consider the project um I think some of the things we've discussed in the past you know houses are based uh the septic systems for the houses are based on you know two people being in a bedroom and um times the number of bedrooms and and rarely do we reach that level of occupants in a house these days it's rare that there's eight people in a four-bedroom house or six in a three-bedroom house even you when you start to get down to you know two-bedroom houses then the number probably gets a little closer and the system you that that you know kind of margin of error or you know Comfort levels probably a little narrower um with the adus the state has in the regulations that they've put together really the regulations are really a policy that they're kind of you enforcing on state to say hey look at we need more dwelling units um and so they've kind of said any other regulations other than kind of the state minimum regulations are considered either prohibitive and these are this is language from the regulation or unreasonable so something like Title 5 is not considered unreasonable because that's the standard regulations that you would have to follow um if you building

a new single family house in a area where single family houses are allowed but some of the local regulations unless they met the states unless the state felt that they met the municipal needs um for those particular things might be considered unreasonable regulation so as you're looking at these adus and we've had a couple requests come in and so fortunately the state D has actually uh in presentations to local Health officials kind of given us an outline of how we as public health should address these Adu units and I don't know if you want to kind of go into that now I'm happy to do that or um so one of the things that was kind of um I guess it was happy to see but they again because it's policy this Adu regulations policy essentially um I'm sure the state has told Department of Public Environmental Protection that you know we want to make sure these things can happen and so some of the things we struggle with saying hey look at an Adu might have three rooms in it like a bedroom kitchen and a living room for the purpose of the design of the septic system we have been told by the state that you add the bedroom to the bedrooms in the house and that's how you come up with whether the septic system flow um matching up whether the system and the and the the number of bedrooms um matches um so we're not necessarily looking at room counts which we're very used to doing when we're looking at additions so that was kind of the first thing that opened our eyes to that and and that ties back to deed restrictions so kind of keep that back in your mind I think the a DED you granting or not being able to your board granting or not granting a DED restriction still fits within what are considered reasonable regulations because it falls within your Authority Under Title 5 so it's not like you have a local rig that you're using here it's not it's so if you were looking at a house I don't know say that had 10 rooms

um total and and maybe three of them in an Adu and and seven of them in the the four-bedroom house that was there and the number of bedrooms um matched four bedrooms for the system um the state would consider that your abil being reasonable that you might Grant a deed restriction to allow that Adu to go on that house even though if we did the room counts 10 they'd need a septic system for a five bedroom house I'm not sure if I'm confusing it they they really want know I I follow you but right there at the end you said that the state would consider that reasonable that we apply the deed restriction um but they would not consider reasonable if we said no you can't do that at all no that and so we're waiting for the stuff in writing so that the the woman the engineer from the state the woman who presented stated would made it clear to the Board of Health folk in the room that you as a board of health do not have to accept deed restrictions U but because Title 5 allows you to um accept them um that that would certainly be a reasonable approach again if you look at the regulations they're really trying to develop um additional dwelling units and so they're looking at trying to remove what they would consider prohibitive or reasonable barriers to those happening so my initial Instinct would be this isn't really going to impact us very often because I'm guessing that we don't have a lot of properties with systems that are that oversized that they have spare bedrooms because most of our four bedroom houses have four four bedroom systems therefore adding anything would be a fifth bedroom and potentially deed restriction off the table even because we're even admitting it's a an extra bedroom so I would agree with you on that but what you again she went through some of the examples let's say you have um I don't know a typical Colonial where you have four bedrooms upstairs the rooms maybe a little bit smaller but in conjunction with putting an ad on maybe for your parents maybe a couple of the rooms upstairs bedrooms

get combined to make bigger rooms which is something we see a lot I mean the size of bedrooms since I was a kid have gotten much bigger than what people can seem to survive in bedrooms these days so um so there's there again the goal is to end up with the right number of bedrooms for the size of the septic system you might modify an existing dwelling to allow anadu to be either added to the house or added as a standalone on the site yeah so some other things that they talked about um at the site was um what some of the questions we had is if you have a house that was built let's say prior to the current iteration of Title 5 which was enacted in 1995 um they're considered non-conforming systems according to the the state not that you can't have them they just don't meet today's regulations and and the town is full of non-conforming systems because you have housing stock that's all different ages so the approach for an Adu on a site where you might have a non-conforming system so pre 95 um if if the number of so a Title Five inspection may need to be done as part of that um and if that title 5 inspection passed and they were staying within the number of bedrooms that may be an acceptable thing to do um as long as they have uh two compartment tank which you have required for quite a number of times so even when we do upgrades to houses that just need a tank we're putting in two compartment tanks so some of that's already happening um and that it meets the nitrogen loading for the site and you have a lot of um zone tws or interum head well protection areas in town those are areas that are considered nitrogen sensitive think of all your well areas that contribute to your town Wells so we would have to look at that as as kind of a an addition uh an additional requirement for that um conforming systems again I as I mentioned if you if you have Coburn Street I think as an example of a street in Tower where I know the houses I I

believe they were all designed when the board had different regulations that were very strict for the number of bedrooms so a lot of those houses were overbuilt um those are probably the houses where they can add the bedrooms and the systems already designed for it the only thing they may need to do is add a two compartment tank to it so so again the they've kind of split how you approach these things conforming systems so anything 95 and and forward non-conforming systems anything before um with the non-conforming title 5 inspections are required um if it passes and it stays within the design flow that that permit was issued for that could be acceptable if they're adding a bedroom to it the non-conforming system would need to be upgraded so and again there's going to be lots of these they present something to you you say what do you think about this and so it's a matter of going through is it conforming is it non-conforming are you adding bedrooms are you not adding bedrooms um did it pass did it not pass um even a non-conforming system where you don't change the number of bedrooms you could add the Adu and you could upgrade the septic system as if it were a repair so there's again there's a bunch of different iterations it it makes sense once you look at the code and how the code handles any other law um but it's just going to take some thinking through so I think the biggest takeaway is in your in your room count thing is with the adus and and again this probably is going to be tested legally all over the state I'm sure when somebody tries to push the limits of it we're not looking at room counts necessarily to determine whether the septic system capacity is acceptable but you may want to consider deed restrictions on those so you can allow the use um uh because there's you even though there's maybe too many rooms and and that would normally kick something into a large septic system because of the room count well yeah that

was that was going to be my other question of clarification is they're suggesting if somebody Builds an Adu that's like you said a little kitchen a living area and a bedroom just count it as a bedroom so for the purpose of whether that system septic system complies you add that bedroom to the existing design the number of bedrooms in the house yeah but you effectively kind of ignore the other rooms and so then then down the road it's the person building the disconnected Adu that's effectively a five room you know Cottage that's one bedroom but they say but it's an Adu so you can't look it so are there are there other restrictions on how big an Adu can be so that we don't get into trouble with that so the the the adus by right which is what everyone heard when they heard Adu is oh I can do this um I think the way the language is written in the regulations it can be um either half the size of the existing dwelling uh or 900 square F feet I think whichever is largest or whatever so that's yeah I think 900 square feet actually which of is smaller I think the 900 square feet is kind of the max um and so to your point about Standalone you could have a standalone and you could even allow a standalone a standalone with a one bedroom system they could put their own system in as long as everything else worked typically a one-bedroom septic system is not allowed for new construction but the state's rationale is because there's already bedrooms on the site this isn't really a and and you consider the whole site this isn't really a system for a one bedroom you add the yeah they've they've done some gymnastics here to come to again they're trying to match up with the policy I think and I don't necessarily disagree um I just wish they had thought some of this out before maybe the regulations come out so and I'm waiting to see the stuff actually in writing so do do we have an estimate for when that's happening well so I went to a seminar on the 4th of March and they said two or three weeks to see the

writing stuff in writing then I went to one on the 11th and they said the same thing I haven't seen it yet so it should be anytime soon um okay let me open up to the board as well other questions hands anyone no okay yeah that's kind of how I feel too yeah just add some footnotes to that those regulations no and and so what we did we had staff meeting in our office last Friday and and I went through and just kind of condensed the notes from the presentation on one piece of paper so we could all sit around the room and said did we all hear the same thing do we all agree that that's kind of how you're um you're you're approaches and since we're dealing with so many towns and each Town's board's a little different on their um you know some of our towns don't have an issue with deed restrictions for just about anything they're more concerned that it's on the record that the number of bedrooms are set on the deed so that again that you know truth and advertising is there um other boards are you a little more restrictive on that some of our boards even had um prohibitions against deed restrictions for accessory dwelling units which they may need to change because I think the state would consider that a unreason reable regulation at this point Y yeah okay well thanks for all that information Jim this is timely for what we're uh going through anyways um and next steps we still Kevin Davis you're working on a draft for our next meeting is that correct yep okay is that still on track still gonna work nope because uh if because of the account issue so if you wouldn't mind uh sending me um a copy of that that would be

lovely you talking to be Kevin no talking to Mr okay what do I need to send to you a copy of what was presented at the last meeting I think it was a Word document ah or maybe Francis could send it or Francis could you send that to Kevin please K Davis B at gmail.com pretty pleased with should on top yeah I'll catch up with you very well thank you sir yeah appreciate it you guys sort it out whether it's the next meeting or the meeting after yes sir all thank you welcome I got to get it all in before uh the end of my term you have to get it all in before the end of your term I I'm all set okay um any other points on basements and additions otherwise we'll punt the discussion to the next one great next item on the agenda is our infectious disease decision support tool can't say that fast one moment here is our update uh covid-19 xcc variant Remains the most prominent same as two weeks ago um vaccinations still at 30% I don't really expect this number to ever change much for the rest of the season as people get into now spring and summer and they don't think about vaccinations um Wastewater numbers are are kind of the lowest we've seen in a long time so that's a positive sign on the right our Littleton weekly case counts have kind of slid back down from that that bump around March 1st so I I like those numbers let's keep those case counts low um good news on the respiratory virus front influenza has been dropped from moderate to low um at

the Massachusetts level so that's good similarly vaccinations for influenza 50% doubt that's going to change very much for this season and then lastly RSV uh numbers continue to slide they were a little over 3% uh last time you at now they're just above 2% um as reported by the CDC so uh cross our fingers that we are out of RSV season and that's great arbovirus season has not quite started yet so we'll get that reporting kind of reactivated soon the other two pieces to discuss would be um Aven flu which still kind of doesn't really have any update for us no new cases going on around our area still the closest cases are in Ohio and then on the measles front which has been U talked about a lot lately um similarly no major update there cases are still happening in multiple locations of the country the closest cases we have are in New York and the only thing I would mention there is that there is some guidance on many of us who couldn't remember the last time we had an MMR vaccine for example um so the CDC has recommended new vaccinations or sorry the CDC uh Andor Massachusetts I'm not sure who mentioned it but they're saying if you were uh last vaccinated before 1968 then you might want to consider getting another dose of the MMR so if you are not sure when that was but you think it might have been that long ago um please see your healthc care provider to see if they might recommend you get another dose otherwise they're saying for the most part people do not need to get another dose of the vaccine that hopefully we still have good protection if you have not been vaccinated pretty please for the sake of yourself and your family and your community get an MMR vaccine

any questions or additional input for anything I missed very well that brings us to our 720 PM agenda item administrative M matters we have meeting minutes from the 12th of February and the 12th of March have our members present had a chance to review those I see a head nod I see a head nod we will start with uh February 12th I make a motion to accept the February 12th meeting minutes as presented second thank you motion a second uh and Kevin was AB Kevin Baker was absent for that meeting so roll call vote Kevin Baker Dane Kevin Davis Kevin Davis yes Dan Kane Dan Kane votes yes and Matt Wason votes yes so the minutes for 12 Feb are approved brings us to the minutes for 12 March I make a motion to accept the meetings as meeting minutes for 12 March as presented second motion at second roll call vote Kevin Baker Dane thank you Kevin Davis Kevin

Davis yes Dan Kane and Kane votes yes and Matt won votes yes minutes for 12 March are approved thank you Francis and Megan for getting these minutes turned around in Rapid fashion so that we can remember that the meeting happened when we read the minutes it's wonderful last on our agenda item would be correspondents and board member updates Francis would you like to start with anything else you have um I can't think of anything on top of my head besides the medical center so all right Kevin Baker I was hoping we could put on uh the calendar to meet with the select board as as we spoke about the other day uh in some sort of consistent fashion maybe quarterly uh and if maybe Megan or Francis would be so kind as to get us on their agenda and to answer any questions they may have um maybe we can talk offline I just need to know what kind of setup you'd want to do and how much time okay um we haven't done I we haven't done it regularly as long as I've been on the board some of our senior members ever remember something regular with the select board I've never seen anything like that before okay I've never seen anything like that I I don't think any other boards do this setup unless there's an issue or basically you know approach we would like to talk to them for some reason or they would like to talk to us or some other board for some reason I'm not sure we've had anything regularly scheduled or anybody else really set up that way so it would be a a new thing I think well maybe we can just get the first one on the books and then see how often they want to see us but it why do they need to see us it was requested of us the other day that

we communicate more with them and uh and and have open and transparent conversations which we're happy to do Kevin Baker and I met with members of the S board and town Administration the other day to talk about our staffing plan and coverage for when our health director is potentially out of commission or on vacation or anything else um and out of that meeting came just a request that we try to figure out how to have a better connection between the Board of Health and the select board so they threw out why don't you come meet with us periodically so we said okay if that's what you would like then we can try to do that they could always come visit us I believe the select board does in fact have Liaisons to all the other boards and committees in town I know we did have a a a select board liaison from the select board to us at some point I'm not sure if they're still utilizing that model it's a good question I believe I believe they have no longer been attending our meetings I I would agree but I do know they have that model in place for quite some time I guess my only piece would be we we are an independently elected body that we we don't really obviously I'm all for communication and transparency and and collaborative practice but I I guess I'm slightly philosophically I a slight philosophical concern with being beckoned before the select board to tell them what we're doing and communicate with them when really we are an independent board under our own authority under the state that it really should be then therefore collaborative rather than us presenting be walking before them and telling them what we're doing and having them question what we're doing if we want to be collaborative and transparent let's be collaborative and transparent rather than us going to their house and telling them what we're

doing and then be questioned about it I I agree Dan I I I do not consider it as something that we are being uh beckoned and are expected to present anything spe specific I would see it as more as an opportunity to have open conversation uh SL debate about problems we're having that they can help with or problems that they're having that we can help with so I I I'm actually in favor of it being something where it's just on their agenda and it's a joint meeting for that period of time and we are all there and if if there are no issues to discuss then then that might be all there is um I I don't want it to be a waste of time I I know it would take a lot of time to get all of us together with them right it's another thing to do but uh like we said we we want to make sure we just have open communication lines um I have similarly ask them to feel free to email email us whenever they have anything that they have a question about so that we can kind of further discuss it something that came up in the meeting that we were having talking about Staffing plans was our uh fee schedule they had some questions on our fee schedule and they were a bit out of left field I had no idea we were going to be discussing our fee schedule at all so that's the kind of thing that I said well if there are concerns like that that come up we we also don't need a meeting we can at least initiate something by email and if by email uh the you know chair design feels that it's kind of getting beyond the scope of an individual then let's bring it to a meeting that both of us can attend and the other thing that I heard too was um that there were some comments made about how we were going to be doing our staffing plan that I think were actually

incorrect so I heard them are we able to share any updates for the rest of the board about like where we are with our our backup plan our transition um how much workload for instance is taken over from nishoba etc etc just so the board's aware um I don't have any real update because I don't make any plans like that and I think that was part of the question was I believe the select board feels that this board should be more involved in how that should all work um which I felt it was more of an operational issue that falls better under the purview of I would see design by uh you know Health Department working with Town Administration and approved by this board as opposed to uh ideas generated by this board and handed off for implementation so I'm not sure exactly which way that should really go I I'm hesitant to make plans that this board then imparts on other parties to operationalize especially when our department is one and we don't get the budget to increase our department it makes it very difficult for this board to come up with plans that cost money because there is no money in our budget for it um so I was pitching that ideally the the any sort of plan design that comes out of this should really be originating ideally from inside the town offices and that we are informed about that like I said I'm not sure if that's really going to work well so I think moving forward we're going to have to keep a better better eye on things and better tabs on things just to make sure we're not running into roadblox um I I'll Jim's here I'll try not to put him too much on the spot um what I was told by Town Administration was that Jim was going to be taking to nishoba

associate Board of Health at their board meeting tomorrow sorry Jim when's your board meeting it is tomorrow okay that's um tomorrow a a proposal request from town Administration on um if if they could arrange some structure where Services were paid for and I don't know the details I've never I haven't read any sort of um proposal but that's what I was told and so we will hear what happens from the nabh meeting tomorrow if whatever proposal Town Administration put together is approved or not if that is approved then we have at least the makeup of a backup plan if not then we are back to an earlier Square on the board trying to figure out okay what's the next opportunity to explore maybe Kevin yes maybe I'm not grocking something I if that was put together by the town selectman board or whatever how are I thought we were supposed to have like some saying what was going on well welcome to the confusion um exactly so I I'm not sure exactly how it should play out but I think nobody's really happy with how it did play out so we're we're trying to be a little more open about it I agree I think that Arrangements like that like I like I described I think I think plans should be developed internally to the town brought to this board for approval and then action in this case plan a plan was created actions were taken and we found out while it was going on and kind of L

late in the game I think so I I I don't have a lot more details I'm I'm not trying I don't want to point fingers I I don't know where it started I don't I don't really care uh I care more about how we're kind of making sure things are clear in the future and that's part of why I wanted to meet with those uh individuals the other day so that's the that's the current stat I think we're all on the same page now I think we're all similarly informed so like I said that's the next step um and so that's Plan B and if that passes great if that doesn't pass then we're going to have to talk more about plan C um I think that should probably come to this board next time at our next meeting well no whichever happens we should have it on our agenda for the next meeting so we know whether we are discussing Solutions or not and this board can be informed about what the plan looks like is that is that fair okay um Jim I want to put you in any spot do you want to speak or no um I I can tell you that uh I had put together a proposal Francis and I had talked about it uh to and again I'm balancing providing uh you know our services to Littleton to my board who is saying we're a membership organization why are we doing this so I was trying to a middle ground that was pable um proposal that I sent up U to town Administration um they kind of counted it and it's not something I'll mention it to the board but it's it's more like fee for service kind of thing for hour kind of thing and that's just not something I think our board would accept um and and so I'll convey that to town Administration um but I'll mention it to the board just in case

they yeah uh just to clarify then you the initial proposal is is off the table and you're only presenting the town's counter or will you present both proposals to the nooba board so that we have a clear understanding of which way they might go so I will present to the board what I see suggested to town Administration um and what they returned in kind of a response um again I I presented what I thought they might accept um so thank you for that Jim yep not sure how we even got here we're in the member updates I think that might have been her question about something um but who's going does anybody remember who's talking Francis didn't have anything else Baker go ahead I just asked if we could have a meeting with the select board that's all ah right yeah Dr Baker anything else Mr Baker Kevin Davis Dan Kane I don't have anything right now okay and Jim anything else any other tibit you'd like to share no I can um Mr Davis if you're going to put together something I can send you over my flow sheet for the Adu stuff if you have questions there's a bunch of abbreviations or Stu so if you have questions certainly give me a call but it was I gave kind of abbreviated summary of what I had put on paper so that would be wonderful thank you okay

all right and I I do not have any other uh any further updates or information so that's all we got Kevin sure I'd like to make a motion to adjourn I second that motion motion and second to adjourn roll call vote Kevin Baker Kevin Baker votes yes Kevin Davis Kevin Davis votes yes Dan Kane Dan Kane votes yes Matt won votes yes thank you all for your attendance participation have a good evening