Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

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Hey, [Music] hey, hey. How did you Good afternoon. Call this meeting to order. The Little Rock Planning Commission here July 10th, 2025. At this time, uh, can we get a roll call vote to determine the quorum? Yes, sir. This is a roll call vote for the Little Rock Planning Commission for July 10, 2025. Commissioner Brown here. Bernard here. Hart here. Hodgees here. McDonald here. Person Russell Samad Trimble Baxter here. Vickers

present. We have a quorum. All right. Great. Excellent. All right. Uh I'm certain that uh every uh commissioner got a chance to review the minutes here. If we have any questions on that, I would like uh I would love to entertain a motion for the approval of the minutes. Mr. Chair, I'd like to make a motion that we accept the minutes as written. Second. Have a motion to second. I get a roll call vote, please. Commissioner Brown, yes. Bernard, yes. Hart, yes. Hodes, yes. Macdonald, yes. person Russell Samad Treble Baxter yes Vickers yes minutes are approved perfect moving right along here uh question information to staff is seven a quorum or am I miscounting six is a quorum okay but but do we have to do the notification to applicants that a after after the consent agenda vote Okay. Okay. Perfect. All right. Moving right along. Uh for the reading of the consent agenda, please. Following is a consent agenda. Little Rock Planning Commission meeting of July 10th, 2025. First group of items are items that are being withdrawn or deferred. Item number one, file number Z 10,132 is being withdrawn without prejudice at the request of the applicant. Item number three, S1963 is being deferred to the September 11th, 2025 agenda at the request of the applicant. Item number four, Z6978A is being deferred to the August 14th, 2025 meeting at the request of the applicant. Item number six, Z10,115 is being deferred to the August 14th, 2025 agenda at the request of the applicant. Item number seven, Z10,166 is being deferred to the October 9th,

2025 agenda at the request of the applicant. Item number 11, 10 Z10,171's been withdrawn at the request of the applicant. Next are the items on the consent agenda for approval. Item number five, Fuentes Manufactured Home CUP is being moved to the regular agenda for discussion. So, the first item on consent approval is item number 8, Z9121B, Honeysuckle Place, phase 2, revised PDR, east side of Honeysuckle Lane, 6800 block. Staff recommends approval of the requested PDR revision subject to compliance with comments and conditions outlined in paragraphs D and E and the staff analysis of the agenda staff report. Item number nine, Z6644A, HR Lodging LLC, STR1, special use permit, 1711 North Tyler Street. Staff recommends approval of this of the SUP request subject to compliance with comments and conditions noted in paragraphs E and F and the staff analysis of the agenda staff report. And item number 10, the Vong STR2 plan development is being moved to the regular agenda for discussion. So you will have items 2, five, and 10 on the regular agenda for discussion. And that concludes the consent agenda. Thank you. If we don't have any questions from any of the commissioners, I would uh love to entertain a motion for the approval of the consent agend approval agenda. Mr. Chair, I'll make a motion that we approve the consent agenda as read. Second. Have a motion to second. I give a roll call. Vote, please. Commissioner Brown, yes. Ward, yes. Hart, yes. Hodgees, yes. McDonald. Yes. Person Russell Samad. Yes. Trimble backter. Yes. Vickers. Yes. Consent agenda has been approved. Thank

you. If your item was on the uh consent agenda, you are more than welcome to stay, but at this time uh you may leave at this particular time. If your item has been moved to the regular agenda, that was item number five and item number 10. Uh then of obviously you would need to stay here. So we're just going to give just a few seconds uh for any of the consent agenda to depart. Also, while we're waiting here, uh each item number here that we will have, we will go in numerical order. So that would be the regular agenda is already item number two, Z-10154 followed by number five and number 10, respectively. All right. Also, each item number up whether if you're for or against or for or opposition of the item, then each side would have up to 20 minutes. Okay? So, for an example, if you have 20 people uh that's uh that oppose this item, then each respectively each um um cart that's filled out will respectfully have one minute. Okay. Uh so at this particular time we're going to go uh as in order item number two is the applicant present serenity Colonel Glenn. Mr. Chair. Yes. Before we do that you have eight members present. Uh for the applicants on items 2, five and 10 is the policy of this commission. If there are eight or fewer commissioners present, the commission is made up of 11 members and it takes six positive votes to get an item approved. And when the commission has eight commissioners or fewer, the commission offers a deferral uh to the applicants to the next meeting in hopes that there will be more members present. So um that would be what you would offer to the Thank you. All right. Yes. So if the applicant is present, of course that is a I guess a thank you Monte a blanket statement from

staff. Uh so all items on the regular agenda today, uh you do have the option if you would like to defer. Of course that is at your own determination. If you would like to defer until the next meeting, uh you're more than welcome, but as follows, we will have the applicant approach the um go ahead and approach the podium if they're present. Okay, you're present. Okay. And then while the applicant is approaching the the podium, we will have the reading for item number two. Item number two, file number Z10,154. This is a serenity at Colonel Glenn PDR located at 8301 Colonel Glenn Road. The applicant is proposing to reszone this 1.87 acre property from C3 and R2 to PDR. The proposed residential development will contain 16 tiny homes on wheels designed for single family occupancy. The residential house spaces will be available for rent and not sold. So basically what what the applicant is proposing is to have 18 rental spaces for a person who owns a tiny homes on wheels to move to rent that space and move their home onto that property for a period of time. Uh the site plan shows access to the site from a driveway extending from Colonel Glenn Road. A newly paid vehicular roundabout with landscaped island is just south of the entry gate with a loop drive to the 16 lease areas. The applicant will pro provide amenities uh on the site including a container garden area, a common area with a fence dog park, gazebo, walking trail, and then Elmwood Street which runs along the east property line. This site will have access from that roadway and there will be a management office, an EV charging station, trash collection area, and a

mail kiosk. I'll let the applicant uh give you more details with respect to the how the uh leases will be done. The uh they do have minimum qualifications for the tiny homes and also uh any more details about the amenities to be um provided. This item was on the May 8th planning commission agenda. Uh staff did point out several uh deficiencies in the application, several things the applicant did need to address and we do have a staff update. The applicant submitted a revised site plan and additional information to staff. The revised site plan and additional information addresses most of the technical issues raised by staff. As of this writing, the applicant has met with the fire department and the site plan must comply with all fire department requirements prior prior to a building permit being issued. Staff does not support the requested PDR zoning. Staff does not feel the proposed use is appropriate. Staff's main objection is the transient nature of the use. The proposed use is most similar to a traditional mobile home park and staff questions the viability of the proposed use. The front or north portion of the property is zone C3 commercial and designated as C commercial on the city's future land use plan. Staff believes that a commercial development would be most appropriate for this property which fronts a principal arterial roadway. Therefore, staff recommends denial of the requested PDR zoning. Thank you. Good afternoon. Uh please state your name for the record. My name is Dr. Monica Dro. Okay. Good afternoon, Dr. Dro. And uh you can at this time uh make your presentation uh or uh we do have several calls that are in opposition. You can defer your time and then come up afterwards. I would prefer to speak now. The floor is yours. Thank you. Um again my name is Dr. Monica Dro. Um I am also a travel nurse

who travels to different states and when I go to those states I have to find housing for myself. And initially my vision was just to own a tiny home so that I could use it to travel with cuz sometimes it's difficult to find housing. Um I've been in housing where I've had to move quickly due to some of the other residents in the home. Um some dealing with voodoo, some putting food um hair in my food. uh at one home several of us got sick at one time while the person who was practicing outer limits did not get sick. So as I've been going through this, I thought, you know what? Why just build a tiny home for myself to move from state to state as I shift every 6 to 12 months versus build a community where people who want to live in a smaller spaces that are not trailer homes um but want to be able to move such as myself is as a nurse or a new graduate from college a veteran who is looking for a space to live a new widow or someone who's just wanting to start out new in life. Instead of just buying a tiny home for myself as I shift in nursing, I want to build something in a community for others to be able to feel safe. This is a gated community that my architect and consultant we have worked with. Um we have focused on the um making sure that we have a retaining wall prepared and if they have um booklets as well as the updated site plan that we um created for this. Um so we've made sure that we've met security measures for this and I know the opposition is that it looks like a mobile home park. This is not a

mobile home park. The new trend that's going around now is tiny home communities and the key word is communities. We've built this in such a place or we've developed a conceptual site plan in such a way where as again residents will need to have key cards to get onto the property. It's not going to be a property where people can just walk onto it or they can drive onto it. We have gated planned for a gated community with cameras for security. We have made sure that we have the availability for emergency vehicles to get into the property as such if needed. Um there are actually 12 tiny home comm community tiny home pads for residents to bring their tiny home. And it's not going to be where they bring homes of different colors. We have our color scheme set up to where it will look like a modern home community. Each one will have a uh parking space. There's a community garden, a walking space. There's a gazebo where we can meet and we do plan on having monthly meetings with our residents. We have a property management company who will be managing the property, ensuring that it is staying in a clean um way for our residents. There will be four villas or guest villas if a family has family who wants to come and stay. These tiny homes can be any sizes. I have stayed in a tiny home community before in Florida and the community, the residents of the community. They are collectively together and they work together. With this project, we will bring new um productivity into not only the neighborhood or the area, but also the city of Little Rock. Um we have a community garden there and as I said, we

have a retaining wall that we have connected with some people because we understand there's a concern about the creek that runs along the side of it. we have made sure that we got in contact with the correct people to ensure that our neighbors, our community people that they are safe. Um, we will have, we call them HOAs, but I'll call it ice cream social where we will have rules and regulations in place for our residents. Um, we will have make sure that we have noise violations in place so that people are not just playing, you know, loud music and having parties and all of that. I understand that prior to this land becoming vacant that there were 30 plus um what do you call those? Mobile homes. I don't even have the word in my head anymore cuz I'm tiny homes on wheel. There were 30 plus mobile homes on this land stacked on top of each other. That is not what we're planning for this community. We plan on sticking to the numbers that we have there. So, you don't have to worry about us adding in more tiny homes into the space, making it look like something that's not uh beautiful for the city of Little Rock. Um, it will be a crime deterrence. Honestly, I've gone by there at night and I've seen cars parked in the duck part of that. Who knows what's happening? I can tell you what's happening when I go onto the property and I walk along it and I see used condoms, when I see underwear. So, that's what's being allowed to happen on the property right now when we're trying to build something that's going to bring a positive versus something that's going to be a negative. Cuz who knows who's in the back of those cars at night when it's dark out there and nobody's watching. If I had a daughter, I definitely would not want this space available for that to be happening for her. I'm just giving

you an example because I've seen the evidence on the property. The owner has seen the evidence on the property as well. So, we have the security measures in place for that. Um, from there, there if there's concern about fires, there's a fire department one block away. There's also a sports complex that's one to two blocks away. So, we're bringing in something new and something innovative. And as I said, it's going to bring new growth, new productivity into the community. Now, these tiny homes, the residents will have the opportunity to determine how they want their tiny home built. They can have it built where there's the bedroom on the lower level. Cuz some people, as myself living in one, I want my bedroom on the lower level. The upper level can be a loft. They have the choice of themselves to put it in there. It can come with toiletries. I mean, they'll not come with toiletries. It'll have uh toileting facilities for them because all tiny homes are built with a toileting facility. They have a choice of whether they want to have laundry in there or they can support the local laundromat and go to the laundromat and get their clothes washed. We're not trying to put something in this community that's going to um bring down the value of the community. We want to bring value to the city of Little Rock. We want to be bring value to your residents. I've stayed in houses with med students. Med students are looking for housing too while they go to school for their residency. I know travel nurses who travel with their tiny home and their families. And as travel nurses, we stay in places 6 months to a year. I'm on a contract right now in Baltimore. I flew down here just for this meeting. So we make a way but I want to have a safe space for them to come as well. Thank you. Thank you Dr. Dome. You're welcome. At this particular time we do have several cards um in opposition. So at

this time I'm ask you you can have a seat here or in the front or at your seat you came in. So at this time and then we may bring you back up for questioning if any of the commissioners have any questions. Okay. So, uh, the first card that we have here is Jenny White. If you're available, please, uh, make your way to the podium. And I just want to remember on each side, uh, because we do have several cards here that it's up to 20 minutes. So, if you signed a card and you want to defer your time to somebody else or if you all have a speaker or anything like that, you can defer your time to the to the uh, speaker. Okay, Miss White, the floor is yours. Thank you. Wow, that was loud. Okay. Um, my husband and I have lived in that neighborhood for 30 years. We did not get the um notification about it because we're not right on the street. However, when it was a mobile home park, we definitely felt the effects of that because all of that spills into our neighborhood. Um, there were a lot of conflicting information and some that I just heard earlier like 18 homes, 16 homes. part of the application and what she just said is that they would have the homes available but then the website says spaces for lease and then they bring them in. So which is there clarification on which one? because anything on wheels means mobile to me. And yes, there is a ballpark across, but there's also a liquor store right across the street. And that was the problem before where residents going back and forth, back and forth across that street constantly. And it was a disruption for the entire neighborhood. And if you look in our neighborhood and I'm sure across the city, any kind of rental space is not taken care of as well as home ownership. and we've already had all those problems in our neighborhood before. Um, it says

that there's going to be on-site management, but is that the same people that are going to be maintaining the grounds? Because it said they're going to hire a property management to maintain the grounds, but is that the same people that are on site? And how would they even vet that process of who rents out the space and who which home property managements? because we've had problems with the property managers in our neighborhood also not doing what they're supposed to do. Um the website says that there will be um the spaces are for lease and it shows you all the things that are included. But yet when you look at the map of the place, it even I was wondering about that for guest villa thing too. And I was like, is that like an Airbnb type of situation that's going to be in and out in and out in and out? And how can you maintain that it's really going to be for tenants guest? If you look at the map and if you look at the entire city map, that particular location is access to all of Aelia Place. It has access to because there is a walkth through. We live on the corner of Brandon and Eastwood. There is a walkth through from Brandon over to Ascension and Valley Court. There is also a walkth through from Brandon, which is directly behind the property over to Melwood. So that's a very exposed location to all of the neighborhood existing. That's why it all spills out into all the other neighborhoods. I read all the spec specifications for the tiny homes on wheels and that's great and all, but they the brochures are very shiny and the website's very

shiny. But if you look at other examples of those mod same specifications, it could also be a converted camper on wheels. Considered a tiny home now. Now it's labeled a tiny home. So we do an RV park. It just sounds I looked at the examples of other um tiny home places and they looked great. But there was one the one in Florida that they listed. It's also vacation rentals. Um, which I don't see anybody vacationing there. Um, I just don't see how they're going to fit everything that they've got planned for that in that amount of space. So, I don't know if there's really going to be 18, is there 16, or is there 12? There just seems a lot of inconsistencies. and our neighborhood has had enough. Um, historically, we all we all breathed a big sigh of relief the day that trailer park got shut down. We can all speak for that because the home 2013. Yes. And um we just ask that you please don't add another problem to our neighborhood. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Then um next card we have here is Theodore Homes if you're available. Yeah. He wants to defer. All right. You want to defer? Okay. All right. The next is uh Hugh Woodward. That's me. All right, ladies and gentlemen, I got to get the nerves straightened out here. Um, look, I moved into this neighborhood in 1969 as a kid. I am the horse's mouth when it comes to this trailer park. I rode my bike around it when it had

flowers around all the places and it was all nice and everything. That one was when I was 14. I graduated in 1974 from Central High School. And the time I had graduated, it started to go down. Fortunately, as a kid, I didn't know I was going to buy all three houses that run adjacent to this ditch that's been referred to behind my three properties, which are located at 4716 Elmwood, 4712 Elmwood, and 4708 Elmwood. There's several concerns in regards to this place and one of them is I called 157 times to the police department. That was the ones I logged gunshots daily on that was daily. On the weekends, it was the guns of Navaron. Every could not get the police department to get it stopped. The city got rid of this place and used probably a loophole cuz somebody got sick over there in that trailer park with sepsis and they declared it a health hazard. I watched them the unit tenants pull an 8-foot hog out of the back of a pickup. You know what they did with it alive and cut it up with a chainsaw. Now y'all think that's crazy. It happened. I promise you. This is the worst thing for our neighborhood. We have 56 houses in my neighborhood and y'all want to add 16 more what y'all call family. No family can live in no

400 square f foot house. Of course, y'all realize these places have a loft. That's where you sleep in the loft. That way, your living area down below gives you a lot more space. That's why everything is described in height in some of these descriptions of these homes that they can only be so many feet high, which is 14.9, I believe. Uh, I was so fortunate as a young man in 1974 to have my mother loan me $6,500 to buy my little house there at 4716 is my main home. Well, as time went on, I was able to buy the house next to me and then the house next to that, my tenants endured that. The ones one group of them that I have endured that they're not here today. all the gunshots, drugs. There was even a um an assault on Elmwood Street right in front of my house with a board full of nails from somebody over there that was in that trailer park. This gentleman, Mr. Moore over here, just mentioned earlier that it is going there to draw vagrants and other people. Well, let me tell you something. I don't see monthly on any of this. I see just because it's renting something does not mean you can rent it that they're going to rent it by the month. They could just as easily rent it by the day or the week like Motel whatever that is on Roosevelt. Anybody been down that way? That's what you're going to end up with. you will spend more money policing and going there via uh the code enforcement agency will be there because guess who's

going to be calling me. I am not going to have this and I've got about 10 neighbors willing in all of them are willing to throw in 500 and that is for a lawyer if that is what's required. So, I hadn't even gone over the beginning here. What is the number of people that can live in this house? If you call it a family, it could just as easily be five children. Is there a limit? Do y'all know that? I mean, y'all are not going to answer my questions, but I mean, I have a lot of things here. Uh, one of them is these units or these tiny houses were brought in uh, in around 2005 over the United States. You started hearing about them and then they went kind of crazy in 2008 because of the high housing crisis. That was the people's way out to get get out of poverty and live in a house and maybe sell it and move on. Well, that hasn't that's not what's going to happen. Are the age of these units 2025s or are they four or 5,000 trail of these houses built in 2000 gone back over and repainted, fixed up? I'd buy me about if I had $100,000, you buy you about 40 of these or not 40, you buy you four or 5,000 of these little old trailers and throw them on every city in the nation that is literally infested with homeless people. Who's guess what these people are doing? Cashing in on the homeless and our neighborhood. I'm not going to have it. I don't know what else. Let me see here. this renting by the day. I hope my voice is being recorded so you guys can go

back and see what I said. Their property managers and their security and all that stuff is going to be beautiful in the first two or three years. This lady here probably sell it by then. Cash in. Well, who's going to be there five years from now? a bunch of transients, dope dealers, and guns showing off just like it was before. Nobody's going to be attracted to live because we live in an undesirable area that will draw undesirable people. As this man said right over here, I beg you guys, don't bring this back. I'm pleading with you guys to not approve the intrusion to our peaceful neighborhood. Please, whatever you do, do not approve this. Hey, approve a playground that's gated from morning till about 8 o'clock when it gets dark. You could put a few uh uh those uh new tennis courts uh whatever they call that. And uh you could put basketball goals, you could do a lot of things and probably not spend more than $2 million. I bet the opposition has now 7 minutes and 47 seconds. Thank you. Wow. I had no idea. Okay, first my question is, is this for homeless people? Because, you know, we're building a 400 unit area uh 400 unit tiny home area down on Roosevelt that is designed specifically for homeless people. We want that. No, we don't want that. Do y'all want to spend money policing this and sending code enforcement over there

every other day trying to figure out who's living in Oh, look. That one right there looks like it's got 25 people living there. You guys are the one that are going to have to live with the police coming there and the amount of money spent to keep this place from being what everybody in this room knows is going to happen. They will eventually be dilapidated and there will be trash and all that, but it may take five years. Who cares about five years from now when you can cash in right now on our neighborhood? That I forgot to say 50 years is how long I've lived in my home. 50. Anybody say that in here? Can anybody say they lived in the same place? 50 years. I doubt it. I'm not going to be intruded on I'm about to run out of time, I'm sure. I knew I'd get fired up. Uh that we cannot have an entrance to this place on Brandon, which is right in front of this gentleman's house. You can't have an entrance from there. That road is a deadend road in peaceful. This neighborhood only has two entrances. One on Marbor, one on Elmwood Drive. So ladies and gentlemen, that's the best I can do. All I can do is say don't do it cuz it's not for the betterment of this city. And I know I see better people than that stand sitting right here that wouldn't put that on anybody anywhere. Thank you ladies and gentlemen. Thanks for listening to me. Thank you Mr. Woodward.

The next uh card we have is Evelyn Holmes. Okay. Okay. She wants to say a little word. This is her his wife and he lives on Brandon Street. She's fought these people since I lived there from 74 to now. She lived there from 98 to now. We have five minutes remaining. 2013, Mr. Worth, we thank you, but we want to make sure we maintain order. I give up. Sorry. Yes. Mrs. Holmes, can you can move the uh microphone? Evelyn Holmes. Yes. And I live directly behind the property that you're talking about that we speaking of today. And I was there when the trailer park was there. Now, when I moved there, I contacted the city and they told me that trailer park would be gone. Not long, it would be gone. That's the reason we bought it. But it didn't leave right then. It took a while for them to leave. Long time. Okay. And I don't want anything else in there like the trailer park. I don't mind stuff coming in there, but I don't I don't want anything like that. So, every day and night, I was calling the police. I even went over there. All that mutant, all that everything was over there. I went over there, talked to those people, try to get things stopped. I don't want to have to do that again. I didn't got too old. I was young then. I didn't got too old to be going over there trying to get them to stop and cut out some of this news and stop this shooting and stop all this. So, I don't want anything in there like that. I want something in there that peaceful. I won't have to be calling the police day and night. I don't got too over that kind of stuff. And my nerves didn't got

too bad. And I don't plan to leave my home. I don't plan to sail and move. I'm 80. I'll be 82 years old to come to August 8th. And I plan to stay there until the good Lord come and get me. I don't want to have to move and go no place else. So, and I don't want to put up with the gun fight, guns, and people's fighting and all kinds of stuff like that. I don't want have to put up with that. So, I don't want a lot of stuff in there. Cuz the way I see it, that ain't too much better than the trailer park that was in there. Cuz this I'm sorry lady, but this lady be going back up there to the state that she's in. And it might be nice and everything for a while, but after a while, people gonna turn bad and they be doing some everything. Especially I know I used to rent property to people's shoot. But I was the type of person I was nosy. I'd go over there and check on my property and they still tried to do everything that they could do. And I told, "Let me tell you something. I put the police on you. That's what I'll do." So I know what people to do if you not there watching. So when she go back home, people going to do whatever they want to do. And I live directly behind that property. Now I want to see them put something in there, but not nothing like that where it'll be almost like the trailer park again. Don't want that. I want something that I can have some peace the little time that I do have left on this earth. So I hope that something will go in there like that. So I don't want to take up too much of the time. I didn't have a lot to say which I don't have too much wind. So I didn't have a lot to say. I just want to let you all know that. I hope that something

go in there where I won't have to be getting up during the night, listen to gunfight, listen to music, all that stuff. I want to be able to sleep when I go to bed at night. Thank you all. Thank you all. Thank you. Thank you. Uh what's the time do we have on this? We have 1 minute 12 seconds. All right. So, we have one other card. Uh Ron Carter, if you're present, I will make it. Excuse me. Let me mute. I'll make it short. First off, I'm sure everyone sitting on this panel understand the word semantics. When you have a quote residence that is on wheels that can be moved in and moved out, that is a mobile home. I do understand that it can be managed, but I also understand there's nothing restricting Dr. Dro from giving up this property in a short amount of time and then it'll change. By the way, I do understand what you said about the long-term situation. When I moved there in December of 95, uh the um Turner Park wasn't that bad. The man who owned it died and sold it to a person who had absolutely no interest in making it nice. Top has expired. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Uh if we can bring uh the applicant back up, Dr. Dro. Um so at this particular time, I know there were several um concerns that they had. So, at this particular time, what I would like to do is I want to go ahead and just open the floor up to any of the commissioners if they have any questions

or comments. Uh, at this particular time, the floor is open. I guess I'll start. Go ahead. Go ahead, Commissioner. All right. So, couple of questions. um in your presentation, and this goes back to some of some of the some of the applicants said or some of some of the opposition said, I can't tell from what you said and what's written. Are people going to buy this buy the trail, buy the homes? Are you renting them? Are you ringing the spots? There's conflicting info. What's really going to go on in this in this in this location? Thank you for your question. It has always been said that we're renting out the pads. We're not providing homes. The people will build their own homes or not build their own homes, but they will work with the manufacturer to build their homes. We're renting out the pads. The minimum lease is one year. Okay. So, with that then, and I guess this my next question is staff is I know there's that big uh place over just on the other side of the bridge, North Little Rock, where they have a lot of a lot of the travel nurses do stay there where they've got that going. Is there anything like this in the city limits? Because I don't think there's anything like this in the city city limits anywhere in the city of Little Rock. Not that I uh that we know of, Commissioner Brown. U think this would be probably the first tiny homes on wheels we have. Okay, that's that's that's my thought. Now, I'm going to ask a really kind of and I'm trying to think of the nicest way to ask this because you told us you're from Baltimore. You live in Baltimore. You're not from it. Why are you doing this here? I am from Arkansas. Okay. Okay. Yeah. So, let me clarify that. I'm from Arkansas. I was born and raised in Little Rock. Okay. I got my first nursing degree from the University of Arkansas at Little Rock. I have been a dean of nursing schools. I'm taking a break from being the dean from leadership in academia to reset myself. And to do that, I'm doing travel nursing until December and then I'm going to move back here. Okay. Okay. Um,

yeah. Now, I gota be real honest with you. I'm having a hard time being unbiased on this because I literally grew up a stone stove like the the so-called sports complex across the street. I played ball there as a kid and I know what's going on there. I'm really nervous about this guy. I usually I most questions I usually don't sway folks but this one this makes me nervous and I'm I'm not I'm there's too many questions here. This is this is I'm very nervous about this. I'm willing to listen, but I feel like the risk that this is going to put on the neighborhood, particularly since it's going to be we don't know unless there are a lot more structure around it. And plus, if staff feels it's not good to go, then that it makes me I'm not good with this. So, I'm all right. Thank you. Uh, other questions for any other commissioners? I I had just one for staff. I missed that. I know you guys said what this was zoned at the beginning, but what what is this zoned? The the front uh probably half or so of the property is on C3 commercial and the south southern portion is R2 single family. [Music] Uh Dr. Dro, uh couple of concerns were discussing about the property management and then the I guess uh leasing options on there. Could you kind of speak a little bit more to that so we can have a better understanding uh on these two uh issues? I guess you can start with the property management who take care of the property or the the land yard etc. Absolutely. After that you can talk about the the leasing options or how that's done. Perfect. I have um connected with a property management company. I've rented property before and their responsibility not only is to make sure that the grounds stay maintained but to make sure that also that the home owners are doing what they're supposed to do to maintain the community as well. This is not just a fly by night throw something in the air

that we've created. Um the property management company will also be focused on ensuring that we have the security measures in place. Um we have had meetings with um um people for gating to make sure that we have different options for that as well. The leasing option again one-year minimum lease is what we're requiring. This will prevent houses from coming in and out of the property every couple of months as they would want to choose. Okay. All right. Good. Um do we have any other questions from any other commissioners? And I would like to say this to Dr. Dro. I know we stated this earlier. Uh because we do not have a a full uh we have I think a few of our members are not present today. Uh you can defer until next uh meeting. Um but if you would like to move forward, obviously we can obviously vote today. But we just wanted to let you know that uh before beforehand before we vote. Um, do I have a second to speak to my consultant right quick? Sure. Okay. In between time, I've got a question for staff clarity. Um, on the items uh failed to be provided, I think there's a list of 13 of them. Is that was that upon the original uh submission of this application or is that current like to date? No, that that was in the May agenda and since that time the applicant has addressed those issues. Okay. All right. Mr. Chair, excuse me. I have a question for staff as well. So, this is currently the the front of the lot, the north side of the lot is commercial. The south side of the lot is RL residential lot. And then, okay, so 2013, what what was it zoned when there was a trailer park?

I guess has the zoning changed since then? I don't believe the zoning has changed since that time. So that RL it has. It did change. Okay. So it could have been a different form of residential switch to residential low. Is there any way to determine how many single family homes? Again, obviously the front's going to be commercial. So I'm thinking convenient store, small retail, something like that. But how many homes could be built on the back part of the lot? Is there any way of knowing that? Not without having a fairly good acreage description of that rear area. Sure. Thanks. All right. Go ahead, Dr. Dro. After speaking with my consultant, which I had already made the decision of, um, can I address a couple of things real quick? Sure. If the neighbors in this community wanted to see this as a park or wanted to see it as something else, why have they not taken the time to purchase the land to do that? This land has been vacant for 10 years. If they wanted to see something specific in this on this particular land, why not purchase it? But now that someone is coming in with something that is positive that is not going to be a trailer park that is unmanaged, we get this feedback and even before speaking to my and the the home in Florida the the land in Florida, it is a mixture. It has eight res eight um properties or tiny homes that are for rent. The rest of them are residents. I know the owner of that property personally because I've stayed there. So, it's not just for vacation rentals. So, I want to clear that up. But the

main thing is after listening to the residents and the anger behind this project, I am choosing to pull it. I would rather take my project something that I'm passionate about that I know is going to be a positive vision. I would rather take it somewhere else to where my residents don't have to deal with this anger because I would not put a community of people that I trust because I know my value and I know the value of the people that I would put in these homes or would allow to rent a pad, but I won't bring it to a neighborhood full of angry people. I just refuse to do it. That's not the lifestyle I lived. I've lived a lifestyle of domestic violence. I've been beaten. I've been stabbed. I've been shot at. I don't want to bring anybody into a neighborhood where they have to worry about if I come into the neighborhood just with my music a little bit louder, somebody's going to call the police or if my grandkids are here and the ball goes over the gate, which this is going to be a fully gated community. So, no, you're not going to have the opportunity to just walk in and out of this community. I don't want to bring my business into a neighborhood with residents who are going to be angry like this. So, I'm volunteering after we spent thousands of dollars on civil engineers, thousands of dollars on architects. I won't bring my vision into this community with angry people who that I have to worry about until I move back here in December. Are they going to call the police because a ball went over the fence? Are they gonna call the police because somebody's having a a minor get together? I won't do it. This would have been a positive influence for this community. It would

have brought money into this community. But if they can't see the vision and I got to be worried about my residents getting bullied, I won't do it. I will find land somewhere else cuz there's plenty of land that I can purchase that I don't have to worry about this. So, I thank you all for your time. I thank you for listening, but I'm personally pulling because I won't do this to my residents. Okay. Before you depart, uh Dr. Bro, I just want to communicate with staff or maybe legal. Um, if she's pulling it, I mean, uh, if the applicant makes a request to withdraw the application, that's her request and you need to take a vote on on that request. Okay. So, we need to get a motion for the applicant. A motion to withdraw the application. Okay. All right. So, I will definitely entertain a motion uh for the applicant to withdraw. Mr. Chair, I make a motion on behalf of the applicant to withdraw the request in item Z-10154. Second. All right, we have a motion in a second. Make a roll call vote, please. Yes, sir. Commissioner Brown, yes. Bernard, yes. Hard. Yes. Hodes. Yes. Macdonald, yes. Person Russell Samad, yes. Trimble Bter, yes. Vickers, yes. The motion has been approved to withdraw the item. And Dr. the role. Um definitely thank you for submitting your application and uh every even the community coming out. We try to address concerns. We try to make everybody happy. Of course, unfortunately that doesn't happen. Uh something in the future, any other developments look forward to. I'm sure the planning development staff would be uh on call and and waiting for other projects. Thank you for your time. Thank you. All right, we're going to move uh right

along here to item number five. here is Z-10118-8. If the applicant is present and before the applic uh anyone needs to depart, they can. Thank you all. is the applicant present. Are you the you the applicant for item number five? Okay. Yes. Yes. Make your way to the podium, please. And while you're making your way, we will have the reading. Monty, if you will. Okay. Item number five, file number Z10,118A. Nice to meet you. This is the Fuentes multissual manufactured home conditional use permit within the 8800 block of Bunch Road. The applicant is requesting a CUP to allow for the placement of a double wide multi-sectional manufactured home on the property. A single wide manufactured home previously that was previously located on the property has been removed. The applicant proposes to place a 16 foot by 80 foot double wide manufactured home near the southeastern corner of the property. The applicant will extend the driveway from Bunch Road to provide parking for at least one parking space for the residents. The applicant is not proposing to place any accessory structures on the property at this time. The applicant notes that uh the manufactured home will comply with all required setbacks regarding the addition of any porches, stairs, or decks. The site plan shows a front setback of approximately 100 feet then be from the north or front property line approximately 40 feet from the rear or

south property line 20t from the east side property line and over 150 ft from the west side property line to staff's knowledge there are not standing issues with this application staff is supportive of the requested cup to allow multisectional manufactured home on the property staff views the request as reasonable staff feels that a multi-section manufactured home will not be out of character with this area. It contains large tracks of land and some of the properties in the general area appear due to contain manufactured homes. Staff recommends approval of the requested CUP to allow the manu multissectional manufactured homes subject to the following conditions. Compliance with the manufactured home minimum sighting standards as noted in section 36254D5 of the city zoning ordinance and compliance with the comments and conditions noted in paragraphs D and F and the staff analysis of the agenda staff report. Thank you. Applicant, please state your name for the record. My name is Ruth Fuentes. All right, Miss Fontes. Um here um we do have a couple of cars that's in opposition uh but you can uh present now or you can defer your time and then come up afterwards. It's your choice. That's fine. I really don't have much to say, you know. Okay. Whatever you decide. Well, if you like now, you can go ahead and speak and then we can bring up uh any uh cards in opposition. So, the floor is yours. Like I say, I really don't have much to say. You just Okay. All right. Well, in that case, you can have a seat right here. Okay. And then we'll bring you back up here momentarily. Okay. All right. Thank you. All right. So, we have two cards that are in opposition. The first card is Evelyn Fulton. Evangeline. Excuse me. Evangeline Fton. My apologies. Evangeline Fton. Miss Fton. Mrs. Fulton, please. Uh, the floor is yours. And my name is Evangeline Louise Bunch Fulton.

I have lived on this property, excuse me, for over or my family has for over a hundred years. And to have someone for some reason wants to put a mobile home in there when I myself have been denied five or six times. I had one in there for 35 years. I had to have it moved or excuse me, the city made me move it because it was old and run down. Okay. My question is why does this lady get to put one in there? And every time I call, no, you cannot have anything on wheels with a tongue. Okay. Excuse me. That's exactly what she's moving in. Why does she get preference over other people on this road that's a single lane road that the fire trucks, the garbage people can't even go down and turn around because of the dead end street where she's planning to put this mobile home. Okay. We had an emergency at our house. We had to have an ambulance come pick someone up out of my house. Uh Culture Lake Road and Bunch Road intercept at the beginning of my property across the street. The ambulance couldn't even back down to my house to pick up the person that was injured. They had to take the cart or whatever they call that thing that the gurnie and roll it down the street and pick them up

and push it into the ambulance at the other side. Okay. You tell me that street has not been widened since my family over a hundred years ago lived there. It's still the same width, which is a single lane that when two people come down that street. You have to pull over into what we call a ditch, but it's really not a ditch. It's just a ball of mud coming down the road. I'm sorry. I get emotional about this, but we cannot have all this traffic, a multi-section home. I didn't even ask for a multi-section home. I asked for a single wide, but I was denied more than once. My father lived on that property. Herman Bunch, he had a single wide on that property. When he died, it was moved off. But no, you can't replace another home there, a mobile home. There's a whole acre of land there. You cannot replace anything with wheels and a tongue. Why? My question is, why does this person get special treatment that doesn't even know or live in the neighborhood? Why is she getting special treatment when other people that even live at the end of the street wasn't even notified that she was moving in? I wasn't notified that she was moving in. And like I said, I've lived there all my life. I was born on that property. So, I think it's unfair to have someone that

has more money or more clout to be given special privileges when other people are not allowed to have the same kind of courtesy to have a mobile home put on the property. I don't understand. I have five acres and there is a barn that's 65 years old. There's a shop where my father used to do his paint and body work. And there's my house, which we live in now, because they took her mobile home away. So, you tell me why everybody on this board thinks she's privileged enough to have a house. I'm being a mobile home there. It is very confusing and it's irritating to know that nobody thinks of anybody else except somebody that's got money and influence. You know, there are people that live on that property in the area that rent homes. There's a man that specifically builds homes to rent and sell. We have a nice neighborhood. We have a down the street about two miles. They're going to put in a 500 acre, what should I say, tiny home villa. Okay, that's 500 acres that we could almost see from where I live. Okay, we are approximately um I would say a half a mile from the city limits of Little Rock and Palaski County. Okay. They came out and put in a walking path down below our house across the city limits for you to have a bike riding

accessory to the different cities and country around the area. So you can have a whole lane to do your biking on. Okay, that's a waste of money. Why don't y'all build a street that two cars can come down, a fire truck can come down, and an ambulance to come down instead of wasting money on something for somebody else to put in a mobile home and nobody else can do anything about it. I don't understand my time. I'll give it to somebody else. Thank you. The next card we have is Lisa Jyn, if I'm saying that correctly. And please come to the podium and you can uh correct that statement if it's wrong. It's okay. Um, I'm speaking on behalf of being the president for the neighborhood association and all of the residents that I've spoken to, not only on Bunch Road Road, Coulter Lake Road in Castle Valley, Whispering Pines, we're in opposition. Um, Miss Folton is correct. It's a one- lane road. We can't have normal recycle pickup because the recycle truck won't drive down our road. ambulance fire trucks if they come in they back out. We don't have good emergency services in that area. Um what we do have currently is only two mobile homes in that area. One is being condemned currently because it's uninhabitable and the other one was brought in during a time when everyone else on the road was being told they had to move theirs out or they couldn't replace theirs with another one. Miss Fulton's not the only one that was told that she could not replace her mobile home with another one. We've had several and that came from the city of Little Rock. Um,

I know that the neighbors that had joined this property were not notified of this meeting tonight and they didn't fill out a card because they were under the impression Mr. Thrower told them that he had their information. So, if they are allowed to speak even though they didn't fill out a card for tonight, I will defer the rest of my time to them. All right. Normal practice would like to make sure we keep, you know, order and structure, right? uh that they need to fill out a card. But if you're going to yield uh your time, I will allow um oh I guess uh whatever I don't know how many speaking, but I will allow will allow one speaker to come up. Okay. I'll defer the rest of my time for uh your amount of time. Okay. Thank you. And good afternoon, madam. Please uh state your name for the My name is Ginger Wimberly. All right. And I live adjacent to the property that we're here for. Uh we were not notified of the meeting. I mean, it's right to the west of our house. There's nothing between us and that property except Woods. Uh we received one certified letter back in May. I think this has been going on since January. Uh maybe it was cancelled for various reasons. I know they have changed the plans numerous times. They have changed location twice from our west to the south of our property. We're the only property touching hers. And um we have received one certified letter in May. Period. Nothing on this. Our neighbors will receive notice in the mail, not certified, just regular mail. and if they didn't give us the information, we wouldn't even know about

the hearing. Uh, so that's a concern. I think our main concern is, as was stated, the fire department, Bunch Road, as I said, exactly, is a really a one- lane street. Our house is at the end of the road that where the pavement starts. and they have come in and opened up a grownup area and made like a dirt road to get to that property. That road used to be open years ago. There was a trailer down there and it was used, but it's not paved. It's a dirt road. So, it had totally grown over where it was not passable. And when uh they bought the property, they took all the brush out and cleared it, but it's not really wide because of property to their north is not their property. So, they couldn't go real wide. But it's I guess our main concern is the fire hydrant that is not too far from our property right on Bunch Road. Uh there is a fire hydrant there, but as stated a fire truck could not get down to that property. If it went on if it caught on fire, not only would that property probably burn, but ours might because there's woods all around us. And when they bought the property, they cleared some trees off of their property, which is where they plan this first site to put the mobile home, whatever it is, multi-structural home. So, there's a huge pile of trees and brush that they've cleaned out. And our major concern is what if that catches on fire or what if they plan to burn that

with nothing but wooded areas totally surrounding that site. I can only imagine if a fire got loose and I don't think the fire department can get down there. I just don't think it in your literature it said the road needs to be 26 feet wide. That road might be 15 or so. It I don't think a fire department I don't know if y'all contacted the fire department or if the fire department's been out there, but their truck can't go down there. So, that's our biggest concern. Uh we don't have a problem with having a neighbor. It just has to be properly done so that we're all going to be safe. Um, I don't know any other issue we have other than I guess we were concerned when it came out because it sound like the board had already approved this and uh we didn't even receive notification of the meeting to come and talk about it like we are today. No, that's why we're here now. Pardon? I think the staff may made a recommendation. This is So, it's not approved until you vote. No, we're here now. That's We're voting on this today. Yes. Okay, good. So, yeah. No, the staff just make recommendations and that's it. And then the commission here, the board, we review it and then we vote on it. Okay. So, it's not approved yet, but we um Thank you for your uh addressing your concerns. Yes. Yes. And then obviously it goes to the Little Rock uh it goes to the city board and then which has the final approval. Okay. All right. Thank you. All right. Um so, we're going to bring the applicant back up. Monty, did you have something? Yes. This is a conditional use permit. You have the final authority on conditional use permit. It can be appealed to the board, but as far it doesn't go to the board automatically. All right. Thank you for that. All

right. Uh so, uh we've heard opposition here. Uh what I want to do at this particular time, I want to open the floor up to any of the commissioners. They have any questions or statements uh for this. And I guess more so for the uh staff. I did had a couple questions for the staff real quick. I don't know the um is it Miss Wimblely? Yes. I don't know your exact address and you don't have to give it, but all of the letters were sent out because I know there so many fees from it that the notices were done correctly information we have. Okay. And the name Wimberly was one of the notices that went out. Okay. All right. And you can only send five and you know I pretty much own everything around it. So, but I know I sent the one to Miss Miss Wimbleler or whatever her last name is. Okay. It was because I brought it back. No, I just I just wanted that was more of a staff question. Okay. Oh, that that's what I and then uh my second question for staff is uh everything as far as you know meeting all the the policies or the rules uh the regulations for the city was all of that met for this particular all all of the procedure was was properly uh followed okay for the application that's my two questions and that and that can I can I add to that? Yes, please. The statements were made about not being able to to to uh put manufactured homes on properties. No, you can't. The city of Little Rock, you cannot put a manufactured home, double wide or single wide, by right, on a piece of property. You have to go through an application process. Miss Fentes was not told she could put one there. That's why she's before you going through the application process to seek approval to do her manufactured home. Okay. And Commissioner Brown. Well, to follow up to that to staff, as I'm looking at this application, there's a comment about wheels and a tongue and things like that. is I'm Marine's

application as of 2025. If you put a manufacturer on a property, this says they all like all the has to have a foundation will be removed. So, it's not like it's not a mobile mov mobile home. It's a pre-fabricated home that can't be moved once it's there without a whole lot of trouble. Is that that is correct. It has it is a it is a manufactured home that's made permanent. Okay. On the property. All right. Okay. And then also I wanted to address a because I think um uh it was Mrs. uh Mrs. Bunch Fulton. She had a question I mean when she had made a statement that they and I presume they meaning the city would not let her have a manufactured home or a mobile home i.e on her property. If she wanted to have a mobile home on her property she would need to go through the same process. Is that correct? that well it it it could be different. Uh single wide manufactured homes require a reszoning of a property. Okay. Your multi-sectional manufactured homes can be allowed with a conditional use permit. Gotcha. Now, also it you have to look at what's on the property. Okay. If there's already a house on the property, then you can do a single wide or a double wide as a conditional use permit as an accessory dwelling. If there happens to be more than one house on the property and you want to put a third house on the property that's a manufactured home, then you're going to have to reszone the property to probably a plan development. Gotcha. I just wanted to make sure because we wanted to make sure and we I I want to address it right now, Miss Fulton. But I if you have questions on that then after this meeting one sentence. Well, hold on because we we need to come back. Come up come up to the podium so we can make sure we got all this on the record. Uh if you will applicant, just uh can you have a quick seat? I'm sorry. That mama home that was on the property was grandfathered in. Okay. And like I said, it lasted 35 years. No, we understand. And that's why I wanted to ask this question for you, particularly you. And we we know we we appreciate you coming.

No one told me of any of the procedure. They just said, "No, you can't do it." No, I understand. And that's why after this meeting is over, if you want to get with one of the staff personnel, we want to make sure we can address your concerns or if you want to do something on your property, we want to make sure you have all the facts and you know how and you know how to get this process done. Okay. It would have been nice who at the planning board, whoever answered the phone would give you that information instead of just saying no, won't happen. No, we completely understand. But after the meeting, we want to make sure that we can get you with a personnel or a staff that we can make sure we can address your concerns and make sure you have the right processes. Okay. I wouldn't had to build a house. All right. Well, I'm just saying just for future reference. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Applicant, if you will come back up to the uh podium before we vote, I want to make sure if any of the commissioners had any other questions or statements. If not, I would love to entertain a motion. Mr. Chair, I make a motion that we approve staff's recommendations in file number Z-10118- subject to compliance with the manufactured home minimum sighting standards and all other comments and analysis from staff in the agenda report. Second. Have a motion and second. May I get a roll call vote, please? Commissioner Brown, yes. Bernard, yes. Hart, yes. Hodes. Yes. Macdonald. Yes. Person Russell Samad. Yes. Trimble backter. Yes. Vickers. Yes. Motion's approved. Thank you applicant for coming out today. Thank you all for coming out on this issue. Uh we're going to give just a few seconds uh for any departures. And uh our last item on the regular agenda is item number 10 Z-10170. Is the applicant present? Yes.

All right. Please make your way to the podium. And while you're making your way, uh Monte, if you will uh provide the reading. Item number 10, file number Z 10,170. This is the Vong STR2 PDC located at 8 Turtle Creek Court. The applicant proposes to reszone this uh point.20 acre property located at 8 Turtle Creek Court from R2 to PDC to allow use of the property as a short-term rental with a maximum stay of 29 days. The owner will not reside in the residence and the entire structure will be rented as one unit. The property is occupied by 1314T onestory 3bedroom two- bath house. The property has a twocar garage with and enough driveway space for four additional vehicles. The proposed parking plan does conform to ordinance requirements. This property has been in operations as a short-term rental since October 2024. And to staff's knowledge, there have been no department of planning and development enforcement cases nor any police reports for this property. City of Little Rock currently has 125 approved short-term rentals. those combinate combination of STR ones and twos. And as we've stated many times in the past, the city's short-term rental ordinance allows a maximum of 500 within the corporate boundary of Little Rock. Staff recommends approval of the PDC zoning request subject to compliance with the comments and conditions noted in paragraphs E and F and the staff analysis of the agenda staff report. Thank you. Applicant, please state your name for the record. My name is Hung Vong. Okay. Uh Mr. phone. Uh you can now present uh now if you will or you can defer your time. There are several cards in opposition and then you can come back afterwards. Uh the choice is yours. Would you like to speak now or would you like to come back after? After after. Okay. Yes. Please have a seat

and then I will go through the cards. First card here is Susie Harrison. And if you don't want to speak, you can defer your time to if you'all have a main speaker or anything like that, you can defer your time if you'd like to. Okay. Yeah. If all the time have not elapsed, uh, then definitely. Okay. Are you the main speaker? Yes. Okay. All right. Well, hold on. I got And what's your name? Jaclyn. Okay. One one second here. Uh, I got Pamela Rather. Did you want to speak? Okay. And then we have uh Caesar Deina. You defer your time. Okay. And George, uh, Tony, defer. Okay. All right. Great. All right. Jacqueline Deino, the floor is yours. Uh, good evening, board. Um, my name is Jacqueline Deino. I'm here today to represent the residents of Turtle Creek Court regarding the proposed resoning of the home at number eight Turtle Creek Court for use as a short-term rental. Um, many of the residents have have signed uh this. I believe you guys have a copy of their note of opposition since se several of the neighbors could not be here today. Um they did want to voice their opposition even though they could not be here by by signing this u document. Um many of our neighbors including myself have lived on this street for over 25 years. Um my family has been on this street uh for 27 years. It is a culde-sac so that means there's only one way in and one way out. You got to go all the way to the bottom of the culdesac, which is where I live, and make a circle and come back up. Um, our neighborhood is a very familyoriented community. We value the stability, safety, and community, and we believe allowing a short-term rental would fundamentally change that dynamic,

that character of our street. Um, as I said before, it's a this is a residential neighborhood. There's no commercial anything on our street. There's no, you know, commercial businesses or anything like that. We're we're a residential home. Um, this would uh if he is if this board approves the short-term rental, we are concerned about uh security and safety on our street. Um being that there would be they I think you said a maximum of 29 days for rental um there's going to be a lot of turnover of occupants. So it's going to be hard for us to know hey who's who's living on our street for these you know 3 days 10 days I don't know 29 days you know we we don't know who's going to be living on our street. We have several um families with small children. Um, the children, I see them walk up to get to the bus stop right at the top of our street and they get off the bus stop and I see them walk down the street to get back to their home after school. Um, so we have concerns about that. Um, we have concerns about traffic and congestion. I know they've um appropriated that they can have how many cars accommodate um for parking, but we are concerned about the increase in uh congestion and traffic coming down that street. We have garbage trucks and our own emergency vehicles that need to get in and out. We have two two firefighters and a mess uh department worker that live on our street. They need to be able to get out and do their jobs. Um we are also concerned about um transient. Yeah, we don't know, like I said, who's going to be in this property. Um right now, we're pretty much a very close-knit community. you

know, we know our neighbors. I I can name my neighbors by name, you know. Um so we're we're very concerned about having people come in that we don't know. Um another um concern is a decrease in property values. Um, if this is a short-term rental, then this could possibly discourage um long-term homeowners from coming into our neighborhood and lower our property values. Um, another concern is noise disruption. Um, we do have a concern because the homeowner, Mr. Vong, um, who I know and we've we've talked, he's a great guy. I you know we've we know him um but we're concerned because he lives in Mamel. He previously was leasing this um home not as a short-term but I believe as a long-term rental and for probably the better part of 2 years. There was a family who was I guess contracted to be in that house. But then we kept seeing all kinds of people coming and going from that house. There must have been at least three or four families at one time that were coming and going. So, um you know that that caused a lot of disruption on our street um because of u kind of some shady activity. Maybe one of the other neighbors can can address that to you. Um, but we always saw new people coming in going from that house and we didn't know what they were doing. They were, you know, making a lot of noise. Uh, they'd be hanging out in their driveway, working on their cars or whatever. I don't know. Um, our concern is that he doesn't live in our neighborhood. Mr. Vong does not live in our neighborhood. He lives in Mamel. He he was not aware

with the previous tenants that he had that they were allowing other family members or friends, whoever to stay in their house. And he basically when I met him admitted that he his house had been trashed. He had no idea because whoever he was using to manage the property wasn't keeping up with it. He didn't know that his house was being, you know, abused basically. and he's spent the better part of 2 years fixing up this house so that he can now hopefully if he gets your vote um he can use it as a short-term rental. Um so we have concerns that um as a property manager who's going to be managing this and is it going to be you know left to to a group or is he going to come personally and and be you know active in managing the property because the previous owners he was not aware of any of this that was going on and um so we we are very concerned about that. Um, I'm going to open this up to anybody else from our um, neighborhood who would like to speak, but on behalf of all of their neighbors and all of those who have signed this opposition, um, we respectfully ask that you deny this zoning request. Um, we we want to maintain our family community and we, like I said, a lot of us have been on the street for 25 plus years. We all know each other. We look out for each other. If I'm going out of town, you know, so and so knows, hey, the Deinos aren't home. Keep an eye on the house. Um, or our neighbor across the street, their dog gets out. Well, you know, I'll go grab the dog and take care of it until they can, you know, come home and get their dog. We all look out for each

other. And so, that is what we're doing today. And we're asking you to deny this request. So, I will leave this open to any of my other um neighbors here who would like to speak. Thank you. All right. Um and thank you for your comments. Now, we do have several cards here and we want to make sure if you have it on there, if you filled out a card here, there there's time left. If you would like to make a statement, you can. It's not mandatory, but if you you would like to, you can. Can I say? Yes. And what is your name, sir? Did you And you filled out a card? I filled out. Okay. Just wanted to make sure I see you here. I just wanted you guys to know and I'm let me be quick. There's 19 names on here in our neighborhood that have opposed this. No, this is not three or four. It's 19. There's 25 houses. Well, the numbers go up to 25. So, that'll tell you how many people sign this. Thank you. They're in house number 25. So, okay. Thank you. Anybody else would like to make a statement here? Yes. All right, Susie. All right, Miss Harrison. This is it. Come on up. I'm yours. Okay. I'm Susie. Hi everybody. Thanks for listening. I'm very nervous because when he rented it before, you're saying that there was no police reports. Maybe not for the last two years. There has got to be police reports. We had two people move because there was drug transactions going on in the garbage can uh of the previous tenants that Jackie talked about. Um there was just like three people who moved in. I don't know how many people signed the lease on the when you had it as a rental. One person. Yeah. I want to make sure we can kind of address the board and we can bring them up. If you have questions, we can

address that. Yes, I'm sorry. It's like one person, but then there was like nine people living there and it was like, what's to say that's not going to happen again? Because, you know, it was awful. I mean, people moved off our street who had been there for a while and it and transient people. You you don't know if they have records. You don't know if they're sex offenders. You don't know what kind of people they are because whoever he rented with before, I think it was RPM didn't do a good job of vetting and then, you know, he came to this house was that was totally demolished and so he's been working on it for about a year and 3/4 or two years. So, you're not going to have any police presence. And then we have um our firefighters that live at the end of the street, Mims that live kind of not too far down. And it's it's a little street and it's really hard for, you know, those big trucks to get down and stuff like that. And you don't really know how many cars are going to be parked there. And I know he has a person, you know, who he's going to do a VRBO through, but please just do not vote on passing this cuz we've already had terrible experience with this house already as a you know, so I don't there is no uh it's just it hasn't been an accountable house. Transients are not accountable people. the grass, everything was nasty, you know, it was just gross. And I like my neighborhood and I've lived there the same amount as Jackie 27 years and so I'm very very concerned and I walk every

day too like you know 6:00 in the morning and I feel safe and I didn't feel safe when those people lived there at all. So I'm worried and thank you for listening and have a nice evening. Thank you. All right. Who want to ask to bring the applicant back up? Mr. Vaugh. Oh, someone else. Do we still have a minute? don't fill out a card, but I will allow for come up for one minute. Uh you please come up, state your name for the record and for you got you have one minute. Go ahead. I'm Eric Jackson and I am the firefighter member that they speak of and I can speak to my personal experience with the last family they had. There was actual damage done to my property. They had people that would we're attached to Napa Valley as well. So what they would do, they would jump over my fence to come down our neighborhood. And they were called multiple times to the point that I had to put cameras and locks on my fence and didn't feel safe. And for me to be a firefighter, I had to be away from my home from 24 to 48 hour with what I knew scheduled 48 hours. Now, the safety of my neighborhood is very important to me. And I do have neighbors that I feel comfortable with. I I'm able to call them about everything. But when you have your camera just going off from people that you don't know just jumping through your backyard and and basically making your home feel unsafe, that's not something that I feel comfortable with them making it an Airbnb situation and them just letting anybody move in there because they didn't really take care of the tenants that they had to begin with. And so when you think about when you look at my fence, I had to pay for that out of pocket. It was not a police report made about that, but that actually happened. So, the safety, I have kids. I have multiple kids that go to school at Central. They have to walk up and down that street. We have neighbors that walk up and down that street every day. Me and my wife walk up and down that street every day. And when that family was living there or whoever

was living there, it was a very aggressive situation. I you know of situations where people have to ride down the street and when you come to this certain house and everybody's standing outside, you get a little tense because you don't know what's going on going. And me being the man in my family, having to address these people multiple times and tell them, "Hey, keep your kids out of my backyard or keep your kids from jumping over my fence or me even having to protect my property like that puts me at already I'm already at a uneased state from the job that I have to do. So to come home and feel like I have to protect even more and be on defense even more is something I don't want to have to deal with and it's something I haven't had to deal with with the neighbors we have now." when they did have those people move out, it was a breath of fresh air for me and my entire family and then for the whole neighborhood. And so that's what I want to speak on and that's what we had to deal with with the last people they had there. Yeah. Thank you. All right. And we ask the applicant to come back up. Mr. Vaugh, can I also come up with him? He just has an English barrier and I'm representing him. Okay. Sure. Okay. My name is Darla Phillips and I am an Airbnb co-host. Um, I rent my home out for Airbnb and I have for about two years and um, Hung Bong hired me as a co-host to help him because he didn't really know where to start or what to do with the Airbnb. So, that's why I'm here representing him. Um, I hear of all of this and I'm very sorry about all that. Um, but what I would like to say is that um I live in a very safe neighborhood, too. I live in a neighborhood just like the one that you live in. And it seems like the long-term rental is the issue. Um because once you get someone in there, then it's very hard to get someone out when you sign a year's lease. So, it seems like that's the issue, which Hung obviously doesn't want

to deal with anymore as well. It's his property, his investment. He's worked hard in his investment. And of course, when you sign a lease with somebody, you have them vetted, but you still don't know who these people are sometimes. And so, um, with an Airbnb, it's a shortterm rental, meaning that you're not going to deal with, I'm going to say, any of those issues. Maybe once in a great while, I have not had to deal with any of those issues. The thing about an Airbnb is that it's not just transient people. Like for example, um my Airbnb rents from like three days to five days. Those people come in town for a funeral because their father died one block over from my house. They come in town because they have people in the military that they want to see. They want to see their sons and daughters. So they're coming in. They're not coming in to make trouble. They're not coming in to have parties. They're not coming in to sell drugs. They're coming because they need a place to stay. A lot of them have pets and so I offer pets in my home as long as there and we have criteria. Airbnb has criteria. They vet their people. So you have to give your um uh um ID, your information, your address and so forth. Um also I have rules. I have house rules. So I in my house rules I say okay you cannot have any loud noise after 11 o'clock at night. You can set your rules for your home. That's the way Airbnb rentals do. And that means if you have a person that comes in that is you know I did have one time I will say one time I had somebody and they had it was it was innocent. They just invited a bunch of their friends over because it was for a prom. And um I I I have a Ring doorbell, which he has as well. And that's how you can monitor your property. So with the Ring doorbell, I always monitor my

property. And um some of the kids came in and they were out in the street just having fun with the neighbors and the neighbors were fine with it. Um but I called them and said, "You have to leave right now." And so they left immediately. So, you have a lot of control with an Airbnb versus what you have with a long-term rental. The long-term rental, again, as you guys already know, you've experienced all of this over and over. Okay? But with the Airbnb, again, they come in for 3 to 5 days. I don't And again, he can set up his calendar any way he wants. As far as the property manager, I'm going to be that person because I know what I'm doing. I'm a fivestar superhost and so I'm very strict with my rules. If they if they do anything they're not supposed to do, I tell them. I go and I come over, I knock on the door. I go in and clean my house myself. So, I will be coming over cleaning the home. I will let him know if anything happens. I will have monitor of the Ring doorbell at all times, 247. Um, and so I think the situation, which I feel really bad for everyone here because of Hung because what unfortunately what he did, he went in and he completely gutted the home and he furnished it now. So now it's ready for an Airbnb. He didn't realize what he had to go through in order to get approval in order to rent on a short-term lease. So he his home is be it's gorgeous. It's nicer than my home. And it's all brand new furniture. Everything's brand new in there. And so we're going to charge a higher nightly rate, 175. I charge 155 because mine's a two-bedroom, his is a threebedroom. So you get people that I guess I don't know how you want to categorize people. I don't know. But I know you guys are worried about, you know, drug addicts and so forth. I've I've never had an issue with that in the two years that I've rented um my home. So hopefully,

you know, the short-term rental will be better than the long-term rental. If you deny the short-term rental, then he's going to have to go back to the long-term rental, and then you're back in the same situation that you were in to begin with, which is you just don't know who's going to be in there. The short-term rental is, again, they have a process. You set your own rules and then 3 to 5 days. I've never had anyone stay in my house more than 14 days because that's the parameters that I set. he if he doesn't want to do that, he doesn't have to do that either. Um, as far as the parking and stuff, people come in one or two cars because again, they're not coming to party and they're not coming from out of town to like have a heyday or have a big party. They're coming for a funeral or for military or to see their family or for Thanksgiving or for a holiday. I mean, I can't believe how many people live in Sherwood. Um, because I just moved there 5 years ago from Florida and it's like shocking to me. Um, my son told me I was crazy to do my house as an Airbnb. And who comes to Sherwood? Nobody. But I rent my house probably, you know, three to four times a month, three days, and then there's a lull three or four, five days, and then for four or five days, and then there's a law. And again, I'm in that house constantly. As soon as I check out, I go in and I clean. So, I will be managing his property for him and doing all that for him. So, I hope that answers some questions. And you want to say anything? you know, that's all you. All right. Thank you definitely for that and uh addressing that. What I want to do at this particular time, I want to open the floor up to our commissioners and see if they have any any questions uh or comments or statements. Uh this is for staff. Um since it's been operating, obviously there's been no police reports or anything like that that you found in No. Well, we go back we go back three years to check and we we found none.

Okay. Thank you. It hasn't been occupied for three years. No, no, no. Only cheap every morning. Only and I'm sorry about that. Can we please we want to make sure if we address anything applicants are out there. We want to try to maintain order uh and try to if we have any if the uh staff if excuse me if any of the commissioners have any questions uh for any of the neighbors or the community, we would definitely bring you back up. Thank you. All right. Any other questions? Um, I do have one question. Is it currently being used as an Airbnb now or is it a banking? No, it's been he has been remodeling the home for how long? Uh, two years. Almost two years. Okay. So, he just gutted the home and like I said, everything is brand new. So, no, nothing's been in that home. Okay. Thank you. But can I say one more thing? Um because if we can't do the Airbnb, then it's going to go back to a long-term rental, which I think again, is that a worse situation or a better situation? Like I said, I can manage the property. You know, you guys have any issues, you can call me. Not a problem at all. I wouldn't even be suggesting it if I had issues with my own home. Um and I just have it, you know, and I live in a nice neighborhood like you guys live in. So, excuse me. I'm sorry. Can you please address because we can't hear you and if we can have it on record we Okay. Sorry. I'm just asking them speak to the microphone and address. Okay. I'm sorry. They would rather have it go back to a long term and have the same problems that they're having, you know, prior versus a short term and that I would be the one managing the property. All right. I think we have uh some more questions here. Commissioner Brown. So, you know, we've, as my commissioners know, we've heard this story multiple times. Okay. So, I guess the question I would have is what are the house rules that are going to be in place for this property? I know as commissioners, we have to consider that and I'm sure the the the neighbors I mean I appreciate their nervousness. So, I'm just

wondering what are the house rules going to be for this particular property? You can set your own house rules. So, we that's not my question. What are they going to be? Okay. Well, we don't know yet. We haven't gotten that far because we're not approved yet. So, of course, we're not going to set house rules for something that hasn't been approved. But we would be happy to talk with the neighbors and set house rules like what would be the late time. Like my house, it's 11:00 p.m. No craziness after 11:00 p.m. No loud music, you know, lights out, go quiet neighborhood. So, you can set your own house rules and I can definitely set those with hung and set those with the neighbors as well. They have issues, you know, whatever that would be, then we're happy to set those house rules. Check-in is 11. Basically, the house rules are um check-in is 11:00 at my house. Check out is out at 3. Okay. When you're there, um you have to live by the of course the, you know, the code of what you're saying. Um and then when they check out, they just have to throw laundry in the washer and you know, and leave the house and turn the air up and that's all they have to do at my house. So, but if there's other situ situations or stipulations that the neighbors want, then we can definitely incorporate that. Right. And I and I guess as I said, we've heard a lot of these. We know the house rules process. What I want to understand is it sounds like you haven't set those yet. Has there been any effort to communicate with the people on the street to say, "Hey, what house rules can we set up to make you more comfortable with this situation?" Has that conversation happened? No. Okay. you know but I have asked them okay I said my house I want to put on Airbnb okay and I'm applying the license okay if you have any question I have a co-host for work for Airbnb I we can come up to the neighbor okay and you can ask any question you don't understand me and she's the one to explain to you sushi I ask a sushi

then I'm sorry we want to we don't want to you don't want to go back and forth Yeah, we want to make sure you address that and if if any of the commissioners have any questions uh for any of the opposition or anything like that or any of the neighbors or the community that we can address those. So yeah, I spoke with two or three neighbors in my neighbors about that. I said if I couldn't do I probably not prove it. I wouldn't go back to rent for two years for long term like I used to be, you know. And they said that if it if it is not a person that rain is not good, they only last for one or two day. But I can set my rule on Airbnb. I can have more control over it then I let the RPM run it for me, you know. Yes. So what so what you're saying is you're you're you're open to listening to the neighbors. Yes. You're open to hearing their concerns. adhering to there. They're saying, "Hey, if our lights go off at 10, I asked the sushi about it and also two of my neighbor, one is my right hand. She's not showing up today, but she agreed for me to do me and B. She's live on the right hand side of me. She live in six turtle creek, but she's not coming today. And there one is a yellow house on the left and he's living about I think what couple couple house from Sushi's house. I asked them too him too and told me about it too. But there has not been a formal maybe an associating meeting or neighbors meeting or anything like that. So it has not been on that level. Is that correct? Excuse me, sir. I said you haven't been to an association meeting or a group neighbors meeting or any kind of meeting. But you're open but you're open to listening to them. I offer them that they offer them if they want me to to have a co- host to come to neighbor and explain about it. I think they all have my numbers. I think I understand. And they didn't contact me.

Yes, he did offer to the neighbors that I would come and speak with them. Even my phone number said that I I told them they can call me anytime, but nobody called me. Nobody reached out to me. Okay, we're we're gonna get to that. Hold on. Thank you. We got everybody that's everybody in here. No, we got to say Commissioner, hold on. We have a question from a commissioner. Yeah. Commissioner Baxter, did you have something to say? If if your application is is not approved, you all plan to make it a long-term rental, correct? Yes, sir. Long-term rental in Little Rock. Is it 30 days or above? And and just to be clear, we we don't have any jurisdiction over the long-term rental, so there's no there's no way to to stop that. Um I I think and guys, we're sort of in a difficult spot up here. We we have one of the other commissioners referenced that we've heard this uh sort of same back and forth many many times. The city board has approved 500 short-term rentals in our community. Up to 500 short-term rentals, and we are we haven't even approved 100 yet. So, um what we are seeing though is a little bit of a trend that short-term rentals uh do better and cause less angst in a neighborhood than long-term rentals. But you guys have experienced the long-term rentals, so we're seeing short-term rentals do a little bit better. I have said until we get to 500, I'm going to vote yes and let the city board handle the appeal because the city board is they're the institution that that said we'll have up to 500 of these in our community. That's a lot of short-term rentals in our community. So, but this this same back and forth goes on virtually every month here. And

I totally get the neighborhood's concerns and I totally get the property owner's rights to rent out his property. And uh we're just sort of we're just sort of caught in the middle um on this one. But um um I I just wanted to let you guys know that we're there's a there's a limit of 500 in our community and we are What number are we on, Monty? We're on 125. So, we have approved 124 of them. So, thank you, Commissioner Art. Uh, Commissioner Baxter, did you have a comment question? No, I just I mean, it's just once again, these are just very, very difficult choices for us because on the one hand, of course, I mean, this just personally speaking, you know, I mean, we want we want you to be able to do what you've you can do with your property, but on the flip side, of course, the voices of the neighbors matter. So, you know, just know that um we appreciate y'all being here and and u we were definitely thinking about these things as Commissioner Hart said, you know, hopefully this gets resolved more clearly when the time comes. Thank you. And do you have a question? Go ahead. Uh, Chairman Vickers, I just want to let the applicant know that before y'all take a vote, uh, you always have an opportunity to defer and set those conditions that possibly I'm not saying you're going to win any sway over this neighborhood, but one of the options that you can do is say, "Hey, I've I've heard the neighbors. I've heard the commissioners. What I'd like to do is just step back, defer this application at this time, meet with them, see if there's some conditions that you could set in the application that would be a part of your application and would control your operations that may sway not only the planning commission or the board of directors and and and help um alleviate some of their concerns. So, that's an option to you or you can move

forward with the vote now. So, I just wanted to let you know I'm the the staff attorney for the planning commission. Okay. And I just want to let you know that is an option to you. What do you want to do? And I I will say this, Attorney Overton, I think you made a very good point. I would piggyback off of that. And I think, you know, the the community have, you know, definitely addressed some strong concerns, but I think I've seen this and we approved with 124 of them. So, I've seen this is actually more been more friendly conscious than than we have seen in other cases. So, I don't think y'all are that far apart. Actually, I think, you know, the community has some strong concerns. I I don't think they probably want a long-term uh or a long-term leasey in there. Uh, but if they can get some terms that they're comfortable with that you all can go before, even if y'all sitting here after this and they have five strong points. Hey, we don't want noise after 10 p.m. We don't want XYZ, uh, what have you. I think it's something that the community could be able to deal with and something that they can monitor and they can control and if something happens, they they have a co-host and obviously have the owner. So, I mean, I I feel I mean, you know, we've seen, you know, quite a few of them so far. Uh but I don't think y'all are too far apart uh than this and maybe trying to get behind and something that you all can actually control and be able to call legal authorities if if need be. But uh this sent Yeah. Come come up to the podium and I want to just get just give you a brief time to make a statement. Can you Can I just say one more thing? Yes. I'm Yes. I'm going to have and if any things got No, sorry. We're gonna want to let this gentleman speak first and then you're all going to come back here. One of our big concerns These are nice people. Yes. But at some point they're going to sell that house. And when they sell that house, it's still zoned for short-term rental. Who are we going to get? I've been in that street for 45 years. It's

very It's been very quiet. And I'm very concerned about So they're good. They're going to manage it, but they're going to sell it at some point. And then it's wide open. That concerns us all. That's all I got. Thank you. Um, point of information, it the zoning of short-term rental wouldn't run with the property, right? It would just be for this application, it's a it's a reszoning to a to a planned development. So, it would it would stay that. So, it does run with the property. Yes, ma'am. Okay. But to Commissioner Vicker's point, if they come to an agreement and those differences are, and again, we're not encouraging you to defer, but that's an option. If those were be put in there to make the neighbors more comfortable, that would carry over no matter who those would carry over no matter who owned it. Correct. Okay, that's true. And I will say again, not to sway, um, but at is as it has been mentioned, uh, the option to defer and collaborate, I'd say due to the the history and and the trauma, I I'll call it, um, at that residence in the past. I'd say it's something to to consider. So, I want to bring the uh applicant and the co-host back up. And madam, you have something to say. I just wanted to say that if there was an issue, all they would have to do is call and we could remove the guests. We are allowed to say these are the rules, no loud music and whatever those rules that we put in place. If they if they um go against those rules, then we're allowed to call and say you have to leave and they will have to vacate the property. So that is something that we have control over and Airbnb stands behind it. No, I'm saying that's that's actually a good thing. I think that's what Commissioner Bernard was saying and Commissioner Brown and even Commissioner

Hart was saying um maybe uh setting up a time or meeting with the neighbor uh with the neighbors and I think they have just you know addressed maybe some concerns or you don't have to defer. Again, this is totally at at the applicant's discretion. But you know, if you can set a monitor some of things that they can control because I I believe as long as they can keep their their neighborhood safe and they feel a level of comfort that if something happens because you can't prohibit things from happening, things going to happen, right? It's life, right? Um but if they can have a sense of control over any that situations, I just like the gentleman with the uh the firefighter here and we appreciate your service, sir. Um but if if he knows that there's not going to be you know people coming in his backyard or what have you or at least he can control that then obviously tensions go down safety goes up and majority of people are happy right so exactly that's all we were saying you don't have to defer okay but if you all wanted to do just to get some conditions and get these rules in place that the community can get behind or the neighborhood can get behind then I think everybody feels comfortable. Does that make sense? So deferring means that we speak with them and then come back again. Yeah. And and you can actually, you know, defer without prejudice. So you basically you can come back without the expense or would they would they be at expense? Have to still be renification even though we only have eight uh in attendance. Okay. So let me I stand correct. You can defer I at the applicant's expense. Uh but you can defer and come back next month uh after talking to uh the neighborhood or you can move forward and we can vote on it today. It's the applicant's choice. What do you want to do? It's your choice. Do you want to talk with them? Can we ask them if they're willing to talk or Yeah. Yeah. Sure. Yeah. Take take a take

a brief minute. You want to talk about it or do you rather just go into a long-term rental because it's not going to be a short term. then you know it's a safety like you said earlier we have so many children on our street I would I would be more comfortable with the longterm run as a result because when that shortterm run you don't know who's coming in and out and I'm sorry let me let me let me stop right there so we what we're not that's not what we were saying let me let me be very uh direct what the question was um I think were they open to discussing of collabor elaborating and talking about rules or rules for the Airbnb. They said no. So the answer the answer is no. Uh the neighborhood is not open to discussing and talking about Airbnb rules. Okay. So y'all so so we're we're not going to get off into the long-term rental because we already know that's an option. But I guess what what I'm hearing historically, and correct me if I'm wrong, the problems came from a long-term rental, right? Were you saying? No, I was just I was just yes or no. I'm just I'm just saying was it a short-term rental that did y'all have problem with it or was a long-term rental? Longterm. Okay, that's all I need to know. Okay. Well, okay. So, now that we Let's get focused back here. Okay. So, um one more question. Sure. Midterm rental. Is that go with the long-term rental? What is there's there's there's no such thing as a midterm rental. Yeah, we don't. Yeah. So we could do midterm without any approval. Again, we don't call we don't have jurisdiction over that. What you're calling midterm is long term. Midterm is long term. Yeah. Okay. Midterm is um traveling nurses coming in and staying for two to three months just like you heard earlier with the travel. And we want to make sure we let's let's address it up here. Midterm like two to three months where traveling nurses could

No, no. We're saying we don't have we technically don't have jurisdiction over that. Right. So any question, you definitely have more than one week after the meeting, but we want to make sure we can respect all the citizens time and uh we want to make sure we um you know respect trying to decide if he wants to defer. No, no, I understand. And if you need to take a just a quick I would say don't defer. Just let's just get a decision and then we'll just do midterm. Yeah, get a decision now. Okay. Thank you. All right. So I'm uh one one last time. Does any other commissioners have any uh questions, comments, concerns? If not, I would love to enter entertain a motion. Mr. Chair, make a motion that we approve the zoning request in Z-10170 subject to compliance with the comments and conditions noted noted in paragraphs E and F in the staff analysis of the agenda staff report. Second. I have a motion and a second. May I please get a roll call vote? Yes, sir. Commissioner Brown, no. Bernard, no. Hart, yes. Hodes, yes. Macdonald, no. Person Russell Samad, yes. Trimble Bter, no. Vickers, no. Motion fails. Thank you. applicant for coming out. Uh thank you everybody for coming out uh on this particular item. At this time I want to ask there is any kind of a citizens address or statement. Are there any other business? Uh please uh come to the podium please. I'm sorry. This is just general public comment. This is not about this application. Yes.

I guess I missed my part that was on the agenda for tonight. property on street. I got two letters telling me to come to hear about this, but um I guess I got here after 4:00 and I might have missed it. What was the item? What was it? It was a two properties on 7th Street between 28th and 27th and or 26th and 7th Street. Are you talking about Marshall Street, ma'am? Huh? You're talking about Marshall? No, it's on Seventh Street. Seventh. That item is not on this agenda. The lady told me I I kept going out to try find out if it was and I got two letters. You say the lady. Who are you referring to, please? Uh in an office just right up the hall and I got two letters saying come to July 10th. That that item you're talking about is 2802 and 2806 West 7th. That was item number six and it was deferred to the August 14th meeting. Oh, okay. It'll be coming back up in August what? August 14. Okay. Yes. Thank you. August 14th start at 4 p.m. Okay. I try my best to be Yeah. No, it's okay. Can I Can I just find out from you? What is it about? What are they trying to do? Build something that is going to be like a Airbnb or a rental? Cuz I don't live on that property anymore, but it's my property. It's a family property. And I just want to know what's going on. Property. Yeah. No, no, no. The property within 200 ft of it. Mr. Chair, I I don't know if it's proper to be discussing about an item. Yeah. Actually, well, technically, obviously, we we can't really discuss we can't discuss the item. Uh, as of right now, if you have information on it, obviously you got the letter. Yeah, but it doesn't tell me anything except just this reszoning. Ma'am, you you can call our staff tomorrow and we'll we'll discuss it. Okay. Yes.

Thank you. Did that answer your question, madam? And what are the uh what are the office hours? 8 8 o'clock to 5 o'clock. 8 to 5 Monday through Friday 8 to 5:00 p.m. All right. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Uh if we don't have any other um statements, comments, other business, uh this meeting is adjourned.