Community Engagement Commission - Regular Meeting

The meeting of the Community Engagement Commission of the City of Liberty Lake is called to order on Wednesday, June 17th, 2026 at 6 p.m. We'll begin with our roll call. Robin has said that she might be late.

I make a motion that we excuse Robin. She won't be here.

I second. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Thank you, Mark. Bill Norman? Present. Brittany Sitton. We haven't heard from Brittany. Laurie Merkel has asked to be excused.

I make a motion that we excuse Laurie Merkel as she is out of the country.

Second.

All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Thank you. Ralph Carlberg.

I'm here. Leah Stucey.

Present. Mark Saba.

Here. Thank you.

Have we all reviewed the agenda for today? Yes. The chair entertains a motion that we approve the minutes as they have been presented to us for today's meeting.

I make a motion that we approve the agenda of tonight's meeting.

That's what I meant. Agenda. Yeah, you can read my mind. Is there a second to the motion?

I'll second it.

Thank you. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Thank you. And then now we are looking at the minutes from last month's meeting.

Make a motion that we approved last week last month's minutes.

Thank you Mark.

I'll second this one.

Okay. Nice to have you on the board. All in favor please say aye. Aye. Okay. Thank you very much. Are there any, is there any one online for public comments? There is. Okay. Thank you. Then we'll move on to City Hall updates by our esteemed brother Gaynor.

This is a rare night where I have nothing new to add from City Council last night. They were pretty straightforward meetings just last night. The meeting before was actually about 75 minutes long two weeks ago, which I've not seen one that short before and talked to other couple staff members who've been here a little longer than me and they don't recall one being as short as 75 minutes either. Just going to kind of highlight a few things on here. Just a reminder, as you're out listening to people and encountering people, the micromobility expense, how do I want to say this, enhanced enforcement of the existing rules will be starting up on July 1st. Myself and the LLPD are doing a lot of work public education, letting people know what the rules are during these last couple of weeks, hopefully doing what we can to avoid people doing some unsafe things, as well as potentially having to pay a fee for impoundment or other things that the police could do to put a stop to people disobeying the regulations and driving these vehicles unsafely. So keep watch of our Facebook posts the next couple of weeks. And if you have any questions about what the rules are that I can assist you with to assist your conversation with people, let me know and I'll do my best to assist on that. Following up on the park survey, which a couple of you here assisted the staff with here about a week or so ago, the online version of that is currently going through staff review. My guess is that thing will probably go online around first of next week, possibly tomorrow, but it could be a little bit of a push to try to get it done that quickly. We were hoping to have that available for Farmer's Market for this weekend. I would still like to see that be the case, but it may be another week until that goes to the public for Farmer's Market. But I'll send you out a note when that one goes officially live. I think I heard like pretty much all summer.

Okay.

So there'll be opportunities to interact with the public on Saturdays for several Saturdays in July, August, hopefully the end of this month.

You don't think it will be this Saturday?

My hope is it will be, but I don't think all the staff who want to take a look at it will be able to do that. Some people may be taking off early for the three-day holiday week and we have starting on Friday. Okay. It would be great to have it available Saturday, but I don't think it will be there yet.

I think I'm on the booth on Saturday, so that's why I was wondering.

And anybody have any other questions on any of the other stuff?

I'm wondering if it's going to be running all summer long, which is good news, I imagine, will there be periodic updates that include what participation has been or maybe I think we can do that.

In general, when you're doing a survey, you don't want to reveal where the results are before the survey is finished because that could influence people's participation. I don't think there's much of a problem with letting people know where we are on the number count participation. And that could be a way to encourage people to assist or be part of the crowd. Let your voice be heard. That's sort of a thing. Good question, though.

I'd like to make a comment on the meeting last night. I heard... Janney to the the library, I thought was the best presentation on the library I've ever heard. I mean, really good. And I think I think it was Councilman. Was it Rick over in this seat?

Yeah.

Yeah, he was encouraging her to do a real presentation. of growth options. And I think that's something that this group could, you know, get behind as a way to let people know what the, what the, what possibilities are out there, because it's a very positive story, which I hadn't heard before.

You're talking specifically about the library?

Yeah, the library. Yeah. Yeah.

too bad they don't have the room for everything though huh it's too bad they don't have the room for it well that's that's the problem that's the sad thing about it is that you know we we had we had a proposal on there yeah to uh take over the legacy yeah and unfortunately there was four council members that bought it yeah we lost a million and a half dollars over it and i think it's gonna be a fight i mean she's putting out numbers

that they've got 7,500 cardholders. That's half the population. It's always going to be a struggle. And people, when it comes to taxes, there's a big group that just vote against taxes.

The sad thing about it is that the programs that they have to turn away are the little kids.

Yeah, I know.

That's the sad thing. Yeah, right.

So anyway, I thought it was a very interesting, I thought you did a great job and I would just put a plug in for that. If any of you guys didn't get to see it, just, you know, take a look at it.

Well, I can follow up on that. I will try to contact Jan and see if she can give me the copy of that PowerPoint.

Yeah.

And then I'll send it out to all of you so you have that information.

Yeah. Thank you.

I've got one thing. I got a question to ask. Where are we at with the logo update? If you're going to be ready for the fourth? No. Just asking. According to city council, it's supposed to be ready by the 4th. It will not be ready by the 4th.

We do have a...

Do we have a date?

We do not have an official unveiling date. We did contract with, I believe it's Visit Spokane. Visit Spokane. I had two organizations in my head. I think it's a great partnership because we are already paying a yearly fee for them for doing services for the city. And our logo creation will not cost the city anything additional. The last I heard is they're working on some concepts which we may be getting, I think, towards the end of June. I'm guessing probably three concepts. And from that point, I still strongly advocate that we need to do some public engagement on this. So possibly get those three designs out to the public, farmer's market, other events, possibly online, et cetera. And one of the last steps on this is the city council does need to approve the final logo. So that's not going to happen until whatever date, you know, a Tuesday night meeting happens. So their last meeting of this month prior to July 4th was last night. Some of the members of the city council, I've heard Dan Dunn talk a bit about advocating for doing some kind of an unveiling as part of the Spokane Symphony Concert, which is an idea I like.

September, right?

Labor Day weekend, which is just a few days after the actual city's 25th anniversary of incorporation. I think it's on a Monday this August. And then Labor Day weekend, I think the concert is on a Saturday after that. Okay. As Mark McEvoy said to the city council, I think this was two city council meetings ago, and this isn't quite his exact words, but he said something along the lines of, Getting something done by July 4th would be, you said something like very difficult.

You know, the.

Which is what we said in February. Yes, yes, yes, yes.

I think Robin said that.

Yes, I said that, yes.

Well, the point is Robin said that.

Yeah, I think all of us said that, right?

Okay, so apropos of that, we can move on to the next discussion if there's not something more about City Council updates.

Sounds like Ralph and I are going to be at the Volunteer Service Expo tomorrow.

Yep.

I should be back from Ecrata, so I'll be able to do that.

That's good. Good. Yep.

I still haven't found my name badge, though.

I have one from a former member if you might want to wear that one.

All right.

Anything else? Let's do that.

So apropos of the angst we're all feeling about the adventure with the city logo. After our April meeting, I left our April meeting feeling rebuffed or disappointed perhaps.

Pushed out of shape is the way I felt.

Yeah. So subsequent to that meeting, I spent some time with Robin. And we just talked about the experience that she had had and general views about the time we had both spent, but her in particular on the commission, because she and Mark are founding members, I believe. of the commission and comparing our perception of how we were being received and perceived relative to what we observed other commissions and committees doing. And we felt that the attitude generally was dismissive. I met with Mark McAvoy to share those thoughts and to get some of his perspective, which I always feel is pretty pragmatic and thoughtful. And I wasn't disappointed. Leah and I spoke also about where my head was going. And one of the things I appreciated most about that conversation was Leah's perspective about the recent engagements that had been productive. And it was important to remember that all wasn't flames and smoke, that there were some good things happening. And our input was we were making a contribution. So that was helpful. And so with that as backdrop, I asked myself the question, are there opportunities for us as a commission to become more, you know, I hate buzzwords, and I've been retired long enough that I should have forgotten all of them. but some of them are just ingrained in your brain. So I'm going to say things like proactive. If there isn't an opportunity here for us to do more, to take charge of the work and the direction of this commission. And that is why I invited everyone to just take a look at the... at the ordinance that established the commission. And when I read those, I think you all have copies of it, section one, establishment and purpose, I see things there that we could do that we aren't doing. When I read this, I'm left with a feeling that maybe we have been more passive than we needed to be, meaning we've been waiting for someone or others to give us purpose, to say, we need you to do this. Will you participate in this? Will you give us your input on this? Will you organize that? But I don't have in my memory And we have responded well to those, by the way. In fact, that was one of the frustrations, one of the reasons that Mark left the meeting feeling like he did, because the work that Robin and her group did was excellent work. And by the way, it is being proven out as we move forward.

Well, it sounds like they should have kept it, because it looks like what their timeline was exactly, because they were looking at September.

Precisely. So there is that. The question that I would like us to consider among others is what kinds of things might we take hold of ourselves and initiate and develop, understanding that whatever we start with might not be what we finish with, but we could begin to do some things that would generate The words we use here are co-production. A word that Mark used more than once in our conversation was intelligence. Made me want to wear a trench coat and a fedora to gain insight and information that the city council and the other commissions on their own might not ferret out. So With that, and to avoid rambling, which I hate, why don't we talk about that a little bit? Ilya.

So reading through this, the thing that sticks out to me most is in Section 1, it says the Community Engagement Commission is hereby established and shall serve an advisory capacity to the mayor and city council. Of all the organizations that have asked us for help, the mayor and city council is where we gain no traction. We help with other commissions. We help with various city departments. They are all the ones that have asked for our help, but the council, the mayor, they never ask us for anything. Right.

Leah, could you get closer to the microphone so the city council who may be listening to this couldn't hear this.

Fair enough. I mean, we are established as an advisory capacity to the mayor and the city council, and they don't I guess most of us feel like they don't value our input. But various city departments and other commissions and things, when they need help, they reach out. So I was just kind of looking through and can kind of put some of our accomplishments assigned to the various sections. I feel like The logo thing that Robin put together, that would fit with Section A, recommendations regarding best methods to actively engage residents in co-production. She put together a very well thought out plan for how to do the logo and how to work through that process. And then Section B, advocate for the active engagement of all residents. We've promoted the city survey. We do the farmers markets and city events. And then section C, mobilize and maintain a sustainable network of community leaders, blah, blah, blah. I feel like the CFP 20-year plan and the sidewalk committee both fall under that.

And I agree that they do. I don't see any instance where we have created the mechanism for something where we have taken the initiative to say, well, And I even wonder what that looked like. I have imagined that we might among ourselves create a group and it could be quite fluid of people who have ideas or who want to be heard and we get together with them periodically or meet with them informally. And I don't, again, I don't know what it would look like, but Could we not become the generators of conversations about whatever these people want to talk about?

Well, I have a thought. Rather, I mean, it seems to me that we serve the citizens of the city.

We have to be a little careful about that.

Well, let me say, and we are like the town crier. I mean, Dave is a good town crier.

Good town whiners.

pound crier in that he announces new things. And when we're at the farmer's market, we are handing people stuff on events, on micro mobility, on see, click, fix, all that stuff. That is all because they don't know it. And so we are the people that are engaging citizens And we're active in that as much as we can be. And so it's, I agree that the council and the mayor are not, that's not the purpose. And I'm not sure that that's right there at all. It needs to be something to do with our role with the citizens, I think.

I feel like you're correct in that where they're having us engaging us in one of the two-way streets right there they want us to get their information out but they're not really interested in the feedback that we provide back even though our entire purpose is to serve in an advisory capacity so when we bring information to them it seems like it gets shot down a lot and i was really hoping that that would change or we'd get more engagement with autumn summer and um arlene on the city council um I think they just kind of forget we're there.

We haven't, but since they've been aboard, we really haven't been part of any presentation to city council. Haven't had any workshops. Well, we usually had two workshops a year with city council.

They usually workshop very loosely for those events.

Well, and they always get kicked to the end of the thing and...

We tried to get them to set aside a meeting specifically for that, but we were, in my experience, we were not successful.

Well, we've had two, the last, well, last year we had two meetings with the city council. And the sad thing about it, though, the last one that we had went upon deaf ears, like you were just saying. um it was like when we were done with our meeting with with city council the last 45 minutes when we were done we all kind of walked out of there going that was a total waste of time unfortunately that's how we felt let's kick it to the end so you have to wait no no this was separate this was on a separate night okay and but um no it was uh it was disappointing but the others were more of a learning curve if you will because we were still in our Well, two years ago, we were still in our newness, if you will. And we were reaching out asking, what can we do for you? And we never got any answers back on that, unfortunately. And so we just kind of winged it. And what concerns me is I think what we need to do is become... more involved with the other commissions, because it's the other commissions that are using outside resources to do their surveys, to do their legwork, where that's our job. That's what we're here for. And we need to let them know that we're here for you. You don't need to pay the money for SC, whatever the name of that survey company is. We're here. And we're willing to work. Put us to work. And we just need to let them know that. And that's just my two cents worth.

I think there's real potential there, Mark.

Absolutely.

Let's talk about how that would look.

Well, for starters, I think it should be the higher-ups, you, Nancy, Tom. There's the three chairpersons for the three commissions. And I think the three of you should first get together, and then that would give you an opportunity, Bill, to express our concerns on how can we benefit or help you out when you need our assistance, instead of going out and spending money on another outside company.

Do you think a meeting like that would be good, better together?

No, I think it should start with the U3. Myself. Yeah, U3, I would think.

No, there's no... Because it's not three members of the same group? No.

What about... So we have... Parks and Art, and we have planning. What if, what about, so other users of our resources have been the city.

You can bring the library to it.

You can bring the library and you know you, it would possibly be Jandy or the friends of the library, it depends on who you want to go with the advocates, I don't know. It would either be Jandy, Robin, or Brad Hamlin.

What about?

LLPD might be one also. That would be Chief or DC.

And what about the? What?

Feel your frustration.

I'm sorry. I got my head stuck with Lisa Key. Who's our new person there? Oh, Amy. Amy Muller-Light.

Amy Muller-Light. She's part of the Planning Commission.

OK. So that would be with Tom.

Yep. And Jen Camp would be part of the Parks and Arts. So they're already involved.

OK. That's a good start. And I think that's a good idea. So what if the takeaway from this meeting was that we would, maybe Leah and I working together here would get a meeting with these folks before our next meeting to have that kind of a discussion about how we can

Yeah, whatever you guys decide. Sure. And we'll support it.

I think that I think there's opportunity there. And I think that we that we might create working groups that are just which is great in place.

Well, well, you should have, you know, you could have a subcommittee each, you know, we could have just a subcommittee. once you get everything worked out with the other commissions. We just put together a subcommittee of two or three people that, okay, when something comes up here.

All those other departments are happy to use us, and that's not the issue. It's the city council and mayor, which is in the purpose, getting them to

when they start discussing amongst ourselves oh let's find out what the citizens think they don't ask us and well why don't we come to that's what i'm saying let's do this other way of you know going about with the other commission start start with something going in but this doesn't this assume that we've got some expertise in doing surveys and all that sort of thing i mean i don't know that we do i mean maybe we do I don't, cause I don't know all you guys that well.

I would rather see us promoting the surveys than creating the surveys.

Yeah. We aren't here to create, we're here to promote.

Oh, okay.

Like the thing that's coming up that we're starting next week or week after next with the park. You know, that's right. We're just out there promoting it, you know, getting people to give their input and that type of, the parks put it together. Well, Bill and I helped too, but you know, Jen and Nancy put it together and, They ran it past a couple of us and got our place.

From the committee's point of view, are they just going to look at us as another layer that gets between them?

Not if we sell ourselves, Ralph. Think about it.

We should be an ally, not an ally.

Yes, absolutely. We should be an ally.

From Leah's point, these, particularly Parks and Art and Planning and Zoning, have demonstrated an inclination to use it.

yeah well and i'm i have a connection with llpd because i'm in rotary with dc um so he i i really enjoyed working with them on the town hall and i'd be happy to help them with anything else in the future and i think you know, they know that. And so, I mean, the commission, I was the delegate, but I think any and all of those departments, you know, they're generally overworked and understaffed. And so whatever anybody's willing to take off their plates, they're happy to do.

Absolutely. So let's say that we're going to take this and it's going to be an action item in the coming month before our next meeting with the expectation that we'll report back to you on, What took place?

If you get it done this month, that's great. If not, if it's next month and you report back in August, that's fine too. Thank you. It's something we don't want to rush into. We want to carefully plan this out so when we do come to a conclusion, we can roll it out and everybody feels comfortable with the CEC.

I got a couple of questions. I think fine. I'm all in favor.

Ralph, could you get close to your microphone? Oh yeah.

Yeah.

So I have a couple of questions. I want the city council to hear.

Oh yeah. Yeah. I have a couple of really important questions. So what is your guys' experience with the micro mobility at the farmer's market and handing stuff out and so forth? Have you, I mean, I go through that stack of stuff, I almost get rid of it, the whole thing in a two-hour shift.

Could we, so I like the question, could we defer it to just do, take one more aspect of the question? When I look just a little further down in the ordinance, mobilize and maintain a sustainable network of community leaders who will work for a listen gain, or let's see, advocate for the active engagement of all residents through a variety of methods and platforms to ensure that there is sufficient and various opportunities for citizens to meaningfully engage.

Does that generate any ideas about work that we could be doing that would

It wouldn't look like a survey, but it might look like a forum that would invite people, maybe a core group of people from our neighborhoods, fluid, again, I don't know, that we would use as touch points. Either we could go out to them with questions that we decide should be asked, or maybe we could do that and occasionally say once in a quarter, get them together to discuss topics that we've mulled over and are not necessarily being driven by anyone other than us. Now, people could make suggestions if they know we're doing this, but our goal would be to ferret out concerns or opportunities for action or interest points that aren't bubbling to the surface in other ways. And we could evaluate and perhaps establish some kind of stream of information to city staff, city council, mayor.

Is there any like comment cards or something at the farmer's market? What are we?

So we got that see, click, fix thing. When I talk to people, nobody knows what it is. They don't have it on their phone and it is a tremendous tool.

See, so there's one.

It's a tremendous tool. And people commented on that and they have, I mean, I don't know. So I asked David how much we get on that. We don't get.

Nothing. It's like maybe one or two a day, but not every day. Today we've had three different ones come in.

Yeah.

So, so there's a ball to run with. And I don't know that we need an invitation. No. Recognizing a need.

No. I mean, we, we could do. I mean, I don't know what we need to do to, I mean, it was introduced at some point. David, I'm sure you introduced it through some kind of a thing.

We had an unveiling. I don't remember what it was, but yeah.

But it obviously needs to be reintroduced. Or continually introduced.

So one of the things that has frustrated me about my own performance and the role, so I... As many of us do, I live in an area where there is an organized HOA and we have a Facebook site, which I detest.

Oh, boy, do you ever have a Facebook.

But it's there, and it does reach people. And I tried a couple of times to do posts. It has been, I've crashed and burned.

Yeah.

All the time, just to get what I wanted to post to show up correctly. And I think the people who look at it, I haven't looked to see what their comments might be, but they're thinking, well, he's an idiot. Yeah. I would appreciate some instruction from someone who knows how to do this, other than my grandkids.

I was about to say, Bill, if you want to come in sometime, I can show you what you need to do.

Yeah, so all of us could learn how to use that to post on websites, on pages that we have access to, to promote ideas and to introduce ourselves as someone who wants to be a conduit for conversation and I know what that can invite. Special friends on Facebook. But I could also get on the agenda for HOA meetings.

Well, I don't know what it takes to get people to put that app on their phones. I mean, it's pretty simple. You just go to the store and put it on find the relay and you're there.

You don't even need the app. You can just go to the City of Liberty website and do it. It's not even requiring the app.

Oh, okay.

To that end, Bill, what if we made a proposed calendar and we had ideas for themes for each month? If we had one month where we didn't have a lot of city you know, events going on like you do in July, that that's going to be the month that we all promote SeeClickFix. And then the next month we promote, you know, an upcoming event. Maybe kind of make like a marketing calendar.

That's a good idea. That is.

Just so there's some rhyme or reason to it and we're like working together.

Yes. Yeah. Yes. Good idea.

So I... I think the longer a meeting goes, and I think this is true of the City Council, the more, the less productive it gets.

Too far into the weeds.

Yes. And I don't think we can solve every question we have here tonight, but I would like to see us have this be a discussion point routinely as we meet together, meaning how can we establish traction? How can we take the initiative ourselves? So we got a couple of things here to work with. One is this meeting that Leah and I will work on. And the other is the establishment of a marketing calendar.

Yeah, let's put that as a discussion point on next month's agenda. That way, maybe Robin and Lori and them can be involved in that.

I would really like Because I think there is talent here. There is goodwill here. There is energy. I would like to see us come away feeling that we are making progress about creating value and not waiting for someone else to invite us to do that.

Another idea is what if we have the city put like, did you recently move to Liberty Lake? Like a welcome packet that has some of that information in it to make them aware of different things. And it's available through like the city website, like main page. That's a great idea. Like moving to Liberty Lake, look here first. And so when people say, hey, I'm new to Liberty Lake, I need that. And we can have a resource to send them to. So we can tell them about things like SeeClickFix and stuff like that.

All the volunteer opportunities.

Yeah.

There's a lot of good volunteer opportunities. And, you know, as a retired person, having volunteer opportunities is a major health benefit.

For sure.

And so... And we've got, you know, I mean, there's babies on both sides of me, but there's lots of retired people too.

Well, I mean, studies show that there's preferable health outcomes for people who have a purpose and have social connection and volunteerism take care of those.

Yeah, it does. I mean, it's not all golf.

Okay. Thank you. I appreciate everyone's input. I think.

Okay, before we move on, I do have a question for David. I thought we corrected the alignment of members.

What you have there is an original ordinance.

I could not find a combined version.

There is Ordinance A, which was the first change we made, but I don't think anything has been done with Ordinance A. I don't think so either because it still shows

2, 2, 2, 2 and 1, where we went 1, 1, 1 and 4 and 5.

It's a 277A. Yes.

And the online version of that only has the change. It doesn't have the rest of it, like the main item you wanted to look at tonight. I'm going to talk to probably our city clerk and say, can we combine those and put them someplace?

That'd be wonderful. Yep.

Can I follow up on a couple of things that were brought up? A couple of really good ideas. And actually, these are both connected with Ralph. You mentioned trying to promote the C-Click fix. And I'll just point out to you folks, it was either out of... meeting either the last or the one before ralph just had this really brief quick simple idea of can we have some kind of a quarter page handout about see click fix to put out a farmer's market yeah so i produced that was anybody at farmer's market last saturday i haven't done a farmer's market shift yet Okay. So we debuted that, I think it was last Saturday. I was just curious to know to what extent those were used. We do have some of those out front now, and I'm going to be using that as the basis for a Facebook post at some point soon. But that was a sensible idea that came out of this group and, you know, I turned it out and so turn it back to you.

Excellent. Excellent.

I don't know if you haven't had a chance to see it yet, but again, there are copies out there in the front. If any of you want to take copies and hand them out to some of your contacts, feel free to do so. I can make more.

Yeah, I'm going to do it because my neighbors, you know, they have gripes about this and that and the other thing. That's a good clue. Well, because the poop can is full in the park, you know.

That's important. We get these comments. I reported a traffic light not working one time with C click fix.

Yeah.

And, you know, pretty much everything gets the people mentioned gets addressed either through city staff or if it's city staff needing to contact a private business or a private homeowner. Maybe it's not a city property that the city staff needs to take care of. But we do have somebody who will make the right connections and, you know, get things addressed.

Okay.

And then the other thing.

And I don't know where... What does the HOA do versus what the city does? Does anybody know? I don't really understand that.

HOA enforces the CCNRs for your neighborhood and that it really only applies to common spaces and houses within that community. So unless you live on a private road, like the city would be responsible for the roads, but then the HOA would be responsible for like any parks and infrastructure that's, you know, for your neighborhood. So if it's on private land, then it would be either the homeowner or the HOA.

What are the water retention basins? What are they? I mean, we've got a bunch in our neighborhood.

Oh, like the swales? Like the one in my neighborhood is owned by the HOA, so it would be the HOA's issue. But it would be, if there's a problem with it, I think probably reportable in Liberty Lake Water Sewer District. Okay.

And then the other one, Ralph also brought up, in fact, there's also a Mark one I want to follow up to. Ralph brought up micromobility. And Bill made a reference to having some people who could be a group of local neighbors, residents you could talk with and get some of, you know, what are their concerns? What are they talking about? What are their topics that we or city staff are not bringing to them to get their input on? What's being generated out of those neighborhoods? I think that's what you were saying, right? Yes. So... Thinking about micromobility, I've been putting up these posts the last couple of days trying to let people know about what the rules are for e-bikes and golf carts before enforcement starts happening on July 1st. And if you look at some of those things on Facebook, particularly a couple of them today, because I spent more time than usual today having to go back and respond to people's concerns, comments, questions. My job here is not to lead anybody as far as what actions to take or advocate one side or the other, but one thing I can do is offer information. So the information I would put out to you folks is take a look at some of those Facebook posts on micromobility. What are people saying? You're saying two sides. There's kind of a debate going on. What are some of the ideas that are being brought out there? What are some of the concerns that are being brought out there that maybe you could start a conversation with some people and possibly take the comments from that conversation if so desired to, you know, city leaders, city council, you know, a city council member.

But some of it is state statute.

Yeah, it's just brand new too. What the city, but what could be changed if, well, I'm not trying to lead you, but what can be changed locally. It could be a city ordinance.

I think people are getting lost in the weeds.

What are people saying?

Where are golf carts supposed to go? And I mean, some of those are golf cart paths, like the asphalt paths are kind of tied into some of the golf courses, like especially along Trailhead. They're only accessible by sidewalks. And then the question of the speed limits, people are just getting really, really caught up in the letter of the law versus the spirit of law, because it's really just designed to make it so that pedestrians don't get run over. and that nobody splits their skull open.

Yeah. Okay. Okay. So... I don't know.

You want to wrap it up and move to the next? Real quick, Mark brought up the ordinance and why certain things are not in there. I just wanted to provide another update. You folks made a recommendation on some membership preferences here a couple months back. And I know the city council is still going through their governance manual. They had some discussion again on that last night. I know they're still having some future meetings on that. And what I've been hearing is that Potentially some of the things that you folks are advocating, uh, could possibly be, uh. Change possibly commissions plural wide. So, oh, that's right. I'm hearing that this could be addressed in the governance manual right? Whenever they get to that.

Stage of the discussion, but there are, there are ways away from that. Sounds like to me. Um, they're probably going to be back to summer before you get the.

But it's kind of like the idea, we endorse the idea of having continuity among the commissions.

I had an indication from some of what was said last night that they're looking at maybe, I don't want to say a complete wrap-up, but getting a whole lot of it done by the end of the summer.

Okay. Thank you. Let's move on to item B, which is the annual report, which Robin prepared.

I did some editing or helped her with it too.

All right. Thank you, Leah.

Is there anything on what's here already?

No, she had me write the portion about the town hall meeting with the Liberty Lake Police Department.

I got to tell you, I think it's fine. It tells everything of what happened in 25-26 and what we want for 26, 27.

And do we have a light item for goat stickers?

That was under event supplies.

Event supplies, OK.

Speaking of which, we did get another shipment of what I feel are better stickers. Did anybody see the stickers yet?

I haven't got to see them yet.

OK. The first batch we got, I did not know these were going to be in sheets of like five or six for each sticker. So I had to go through and cut them out. Not all of them are in the small container I provided, which I think Lori took out last Saturday. And then we got another shipment of more glossy stickers, and these are shape perforated, so they looked the way I thought they were going to look. Another great selection. And we've got hopefully stickers to supply for a while. I'm just curious. I guess I'd have to ask Gloria to see to what extent those are being taken up last time. But for those of you who are there on next few Saturdays, I'd just be curious to know how well is the distribution going out of those stickers? And of course, all the other handles.

I was there Saturday for a while. You show me a kid that doesn't want a sticker. And I'll leave it at that. They go over very well.

And I would still like to get, you know, right now I've got a pail that I found in the break room. But I think ideally this needs to be in some kind of a clear container so the kids can see the different types of options that are in there rather than just trying to poke through with the top of the hand over the top of that pail. But I'll keep doing some searching. I may look to buy something. It's not going to be an expensive expense.

Probably sell for thousands of dollars in future generations.

All right. So I don't know that there's action to take here. We're all in agreement.

Did we miss anything? That's to me the main thing. Because we did the stuff, the comprehensive plan and the sidewalks. Is there anything that we were missing in there?

You're talking about the highlights. Yeah, those are the big highlights of what you just mentioned here. They were the ones in there near the end of the year. And so, you know, there'll be other stuff coming in, but this has to be Brent by August.

You've got another two meetings to have new additions if you've got to put it in there.

But as of right now, I think it's spot on.

Okay. Thank you, Mark.

And I will let the Rouse benefit note to the back page. Rodney usually put photos on the back there of CEC activities. Okay. Related to that, are you going to talk budget too, Bill?

I had said the budget looked good.

I thought we were... Well, this was actually last year's budget. I just want to know if anybody wanted to... We didn't even use the budget last year. Yeah.

So I think it's plenty.

Okay. Then the next item is tomorrow, the Volunteer and Service Expo. And I think we've got Leah and Carl are going to be there.

Ralph. Ralph.

i always want to like me calling you norman i know i'm sure that's happened all your life patico ralph and ralph is there anything you guys want us to say in particular when we're talking with people uh when people ask me what i do on the cec i feel like there's not a Terribly cut and dried answer. I mean, I can tell people that our purpose is to increase communication between the citizens and the city and help facilitate conversations. But if people ask me more how we do that, then that's a little bit harder to answer.

I would suggest that we add to that also stimulate engagement and involvement. I think that's a purpose that we're going to try to address more actively in the future.

I like the town crier idea. Here you hear he, this is what's going on in the city. And here's how you can be involved.

That's a nice.

Okay, you know, so I mean, it's That's my thought. All right.

I want to be able to decorate up the area of that table for you with any specific messages I can put in text form, like on big sheets of paper, photos. I did bring in the town hall sign, which we can say you folks had notable assistance to do with the first two town halls. I can do something with that to let people know you were part of Winter Glow. You were part of the...

Dot chart and say like, and ask a question on there and see what people say.

Yeah. I don't know who's going to show up at this tomorrow. It'll be interesting.

I hope people show up.

I hope people do too.

Honestly, I don't think it's been advertised well.

I don't think so either.

No, there's not. The A boards are up for the library sale, but not for. Yeah.

That would have been a great opportunity to have the A frames up for that.

We do have some signage that got put out to some businesses. I'm not sure which ones. I'll be putting up another one.

You'll have it at the reader board. Welcome to Liberty Lake, and your light turns green. OK.

Thank you for covering that. The next item is Farmers Market and Founders Fireworks for the 4th of July. We have a booth, as I recall, it's from 4 to 8. 4 to 8. And it's in conjunction with the Parks and Arts. And we have, you sent us a link to sign up for that.

But I didn't see a specific place for CEC.

It's not specifically mentioned, but you are the RUC. You are the rock. We're the rock people. And you are the rock.

And is it four one-hour slots?

Right now, they've got a list of two-hour slots, but I think they would be okay if somebody wanted to come in for just an hour and take what time we can get from anybody.

It's my son's birthday on the 4th of July, so I have already said no to Rotary as well.

Well, I'm running the dunk tank, so I'm already busy.

I guess I'm there. I can be, but I'd want it to be early.

All right. Again, if anybody wants to note to Mikael that you can be there for one hour instead of two, just go ahead and do that, and I think it'll be totally fine.

You can still put it out there to Brittany, Robin, and Lori.

And again, that'll be assisting kids with the rock painting. Those will, if the kids so desire, those will go into the new rock garden at the corner of the park or they can take them home.

I didn't last year. It was fun though. You do have to watch for...

inappropriate drawings.

All right. You know, actually, I relate to that. I'll just share with you folks, give you folks a preview. And this actually ties into Farmer's Market as well, to some degree. We are placing a two-page center spread. This is for the cameras out there. Two-page center spread in the splash for July. to promote the Founders and Fireworks event. This will have the complete schedule of the events for that day, because the complete schedule of the dunk tank people. And I'm going to be also be putting out some daily Facebook posts on this as we get closer to the event. And, you know, particularly one thing I want to put out there is the schedule for the dunk tank to let people know, hey, we have a couple of CREM 2 TV news folks who are going to show up on the dunk tank off of your screen and into the dunk tank and some couple of familiar faces to the TV news viewers on that one. And then, you know, of course, promote the two bands, the picnic games that'll be happening. I actually did get a email about a week ago. Somebody wasn't sure that we were having the car show this year because they were used to barefoot in the park. So that's something we need to promote out there saying this is the barefoot car show this year on July 4th.

Yeah.

And we'll also have a laminated version of that two-page spread for Farmer's Market for this weekend.

Thank you. Any other upcoming opportunities that we see coming over to the event horizon?

I think we covered it earlier.

Yeah, I think we did too.

Yeah, we can put some of that in the marketing calendar. So be thinking of of ideas for that of what we can propose seasonally. And then we can kind of plan out what's coming up as far as things that they want engagement on. And then fill in the blanks with things like see click fix or.

That's where we need to reach out to city staff. We need to reach out to the commissions, need to reach out to the library, need, you know, to get that information that we put on the calendar if they need our assistance.

We have at this point, our next scheduled meeting is July 15th, but that is the evening of the library soiree. What do we think of moving? Is there any reason we don't just postpone it for a week and go to the 22nd of July?

I looked at the calendar. You're okay. That following Wednesday is totally open. The Wednesday before then, the Planning Commission meets from 4 till 6. The regular week, you're open, totally open like Tuesday and Thursday on both sides. Whatever you folks want to decide on, we'll make it work and make it happen.

What are your feelings about that? Just going to the next week? Or should we do it one day on either side? Or do you care?

Whatever you guys want to do.

My schedule in mid-July all around looks fine. So whatever works best for everybody. I don't think I care.

Let me look. Wednesday's a better day for me.

And do it to 22nd. I'll be here on 22nd. I wouldn't be here on the 15th. We're cruising. Finally.

All right. So do we need a motion to move that? The chair entertains a motion that we move our July meeting from Wednesday the 15th to Wednesday the 22nd.

I make a motion we move next month's meeting to the 22nd rather than the 15th.

That's a second. All in favor, say aye. Aye. Aye. Okay.

I'll move it in my calendar.

All right. Do we have to have a motion to close the meeting?

Just drop it.

Meeting is adjourned. Thank you all so much for your thoughtful participation.