City Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

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Guten Tag. Willkommen zur Sitzung der Planungskommission am 12. August 2016. Wir machen bitte Namensaufruf. Kathy.

Tomsberg. Bill Foyer. Jo Man. Jim Boomer. DJ Garcia. Charlie Jinx. Jean Husserl. Abby Sprague. And Troy Milne.

I'm asking to apologize for a request, Phil, Joe and Troy. I know that Troy is not in town. Phil and Joe have told us that they don't want to participate.

You go first.

I'll go first, Jim will go first and Charlie will go second. All for it? Exactly. I will allow myself to do something else today, instead of taking the oath of loyalty. So sit down, relax. Instead of making a vow that everyone knows by heart and that we can say mechanically, I thought we'd take a moment instead and reflect. Maybe the last 12 days of our historic Spokane complex fire. We never did that after Covid. And I was on the bike. And DJ, I think you were there too. And we never took time to think about it. Old Trails, Fairview and Autumn Lane, by the way, are all on their way home. 65,000 people were evacuated without a single case of death. 700 houses were destroyed. 15 days. People who were trained as firefighters from 27 different federal states, are still here and are starting to leave. And we all know people who have lost their homes. We sent food, money and clothes to help others. That's why I just hope that we continue to promise to help our community and serve it. We don't have to go to the finish line. Further to the review of the agenda. Does anyone have any changes, apart from the fact that we have a few additional pages? I ask for my application for approval of the agenda. For approval, Charlie for me second and Jim as second signer. All for it. And the approval of the protocol. I haven't seen any. Are there any changes to the protocol of the last session? Everyone was here. On approval. Um, right here. Abby agrees. Um, everyone for it? Onward to the changes in the development regulations. Welcome, Jim.

Hey, can you all hear me? I'm glad to be personal this time. I think I'll start coming in person now. I'm only 20 minutes away. So, um, it's nice to see you all in person. My colleague Liam is virtually online and we will share the screen and the PowerPoint presentation as well as the introduction to the changes in the development guidelines and the red marked changes. So he and I will work together a little bit. As you know, we have been working on it with you for a few weeks now and we appreciate your input and your feedback. Danke, Liam. Wir haben noch keine Fragen. Noch nicht, aber bleiben Sie dran. As you know, the main goal of this update is to meet the state requirements, to adapt to the laws that have changed since their last regular update and to bring this in line with their comprehensive plan update that they have already taken. We have worked through some of these state requirements in the last weeks and even months and we will continue this work tonight. Next slide. In your documents, you will find a section on roadside trees and landscape design. The supplementation you see tonight has a reason. We have found that a purely administrative, organizational measure to punish is that you mentioned your requirements for the landscape plan in two chapters and we considered it most sensible to keep this in Chapter 4, the application and review procedure. In Ihrem Paket haben Sie gesehen, wo es rot markiert war, um aus Kapitel 3 entfernt zu werden. Und was wir vergessen hatten, in Ihr Paket aufzunehmen, war, wo es dann in Kapitel 4 hinzugefügt wurde. Der Wortlaut, der in Kapitel 3 fehlt, ist also derselbe Wortlaut in Kapitel 4. Es gibt also keine inhaltlichen Änderungen an den Dokumenten, die wir heute Abend mitgebracht haben, aber wir wollten sicherstellen, dass Sie sehen können, von wo es verschoben wurde und wo es jetzt steht. Sehr gut. Wir waren der Meinung, dass dieses Kapitel aufgrund der dort beschriebenen Prüfverfahren der geeignetste Ort dafür ist. Das war also der Grund für diese Änderung. Um noch einmal einen Schritt zurückzutreten und den Kontext zu erläutern, warum wir heute Abend über Straßenbäume sprechen. Da gibt es ein paar Dinge. Die Stadt hat kürzlich eine Aktualisierung des Gehweg-Masterplans vorgenommen. As you probably know, in the course of this process, there were considerable damages to the sidewalks and it was found that some of the street trees were the probable cause for a large part of these damages. As far as you can determine in the settlement, which trees are planted in these areas, future damage can be avoided. That was one reason why we looked at the street tree settlement. In addition, you now have an element of climate resilience as part of your comprehensive plan. It is a state requirement that the development regulations implement the comprehensive plan. So we had to make sure that these two things are aligned and you also have a urban tree expert who had some recommendations for improvements and approved procedures that should be included in your approach. These three points form the background for the changes you see here in this package.

Just like someone who is familiar with tree species? Thanks.

A section on inspection procedures and requirements was added to the irrigation to ensure that the plants and trees receive sufficient water so that they have a good chance of survival after planting. In addition, a list of approved road trees was recorded, which was a direct reaction to Dan's recommendation. Ich bin froh, dass Sie hier sind, denn falls es spezifische Fragen zu Bäumen gibt, kenne ich die Antwort wahrscheinlich nicht. Dann ist also hier, falls die Kommission spezielle Fragen zur Formulierung der Satzung hat. Liam, wenn es dir nichts ausmacht, öffne doch bitte das Word-Dokument mit den Änderungen, damit wir uns genauer ansehen können, wo diese vorgenommen wurden.

Ja, natürlich.

I took one and a half hours just to scroll through it. Liam, you have to do something faster. Looks great so far. Right.

Everything looks empty at the moment, Liam. Here are the changes, guys.

You can open it very quickly.

While Liam is opening it, the Commission has questions about the changes in the section about street trees that you have seen in the package. Ich habe einige Fragen und Bedenken. In den Begriffsbestimmungen legen wir fest, was ein öffentlicher Baum ist. Denke. Sowohl die Kommission als auch später vielleicht der Stadtrat müssen abwägen, welche Tragweite diese Definition hat, da sie die Verantwortung für die Bäume sehr stark auf die Stadt überträgt. Es wird als öffentlicher Baum bezeichnet. Das lässt an künftige Rechtsstreitigkeiten denken oder sogar an unsere Gehwege und die Meinungsverschiedenheiten zwischen Hausbesitzern und der Stadt. Wenn man es als öffentlichen Baum bezeichnet, macht man es zum Problem der Stadt, was möglicherweise auch die Gehwege zum Problem der Stadt macht. Ich denke, es ist wichtig, dass wir darüber sprechen.

woran die Stadt im Rahmen des Gehwegplans bereits arbeitet.

Ja.

Also, guter Punkt. Aber ich vermute, dass einiges davon damit zu tun hat und die Formulierung war. Sie wurden in die Formulierung einbezogen, was den öffentlichen Baum definiert. Ja, ich denke, wir... Sie hatten es zu Beginn auch angemerkt, dass es dazu einige Fragen geben könnte. Und ich denke schon, dass wir eine... Which page are you on? We are on page 46. Yes. Shoot then! Oh yes.

I would say, I don't know if this is a structural change of what public trees are. Because as it stands now, trees are not maintained by urban maintenance on public roads. but are nevertheless part of the public right of way. And we suggest, what do you know if they should be removed or replaced, whatever that may be, or what they are. It is still in the responsibility of the occupying house owner to take care of it. So I don't know if the definition would change.

Isn't that a new definition? A whole new thing, because in the past it was street trees, or ... or ... Maybe Amy or Lenz could say more about it.

I think it's definitely a new definition that has been added.

Let's see.

I just know that we referred to public trees in the law book and that's why we added it. But yes, they say that in most cities these are already considered public trees. We don't find that.

Please note the concerns that this could lead to legal disputes against the city. If we take responsibility, I think that's an excellent point. Keep going.

I mean, we're already doing it, so it's just about the definition. But yes, keep that in mind.

I still have a question for the explanation, but it concerns a later part. Should I wait until we've gone through the topic of trees and hydrozone and all that?

Just in advance, is there something like a tree controlled by an owner community? Is there a definition for what this is?

In our law book. Not in our law book. There is no such thing as an owner community. I mean, it would be public property or no public property. It would be private property. So it doesn't necessarily require a definition. It's just clear what is public and what is private. In other words, all trees between, let's say, the street and the sidewalk, they are all public.

By specifying public trees specifically in the definition, I have the feeling that it is more.

Technically, the public area is the property of the city. So they are already urban trees. There are street trees and public trees. And public trees include street trees. When we did this with the public trees, we also talked about parks and, for example, the town hall here. This is urban property, these are public trees, not in the public sector. These are not street trees. Does this somehow help further? Well, I assume. The answer to my question is that the trees between, let's say, the sidewalk and the street of the city are maintained and occupied I don't know if you need to talk about maintenance all year round. Regular, annual maintenance is something I can explain to you. No, at the moment the maintenance of the street trees, when they are on private property, is taken over by the respective owner. Yes, or it should be like that. Do you know that?

As far as road care is concerned, I think so. But the trees in the parks and in the places that we actively manage are street trees, so not part of these public trees.

But by definition they are. They are currently public trees because they are in public spaces. I just heard two different things.

And that's exactly where mine is.

It's complicated. I wouldn't mind seeing more care through the city.

I just heard. They said the trees between the sidewalks and the street were not public trees.

They are not maintained or owned by the city. That is in the responsibility of the property owner. No, he didn't say they weren't public trees.

He said they were maintained.

They are maintained by the private property owner, who is limited to the property, is part of the street tree.

Ich denke, wir sollten das vielleicht etwas genauer definieren. In Akt ist Straßenbaum hier auch enthalten.

Ja, ist er.

Straße.

Welche Seite steht das? Ist das in dem Buchstaben erst?

Die rote Seitenzahl ist es auf Seite 54.

Ich frage mich, ob wir einen Satz hinzufügen könnten, der den Unterschied zwischen öffentlichen Bäumen und Straßenbäumen klärt. Das könnten wir innerhalb der Definition für öffentliche Bäume tun. Und dasselbe könnten wir bei der Definition für Straßenbäume tun. Damit jemand, der diese Definition liest, sie wirklich klar unterscheiden kann. Ich denke, dass es im Moment definitiv eine erhebliche Überschneidung zwischen den beiden Definitionen gibt. To get to the point, I think we have to clean that up. Because what is said here is not limited to trees in public streets and urban property such as parks, which covers, I think, part of what we say, so on a public basis. But then we have a definition for street trees that says every tree on the terrain between the private property areas on both sides of a street, alley or a road within the city was planted in circular traffic on middle lanes in public streets or in tree beds in public streets or in public access services. I think that this definition covers the area of street trees. I think what we have to do is simply to draw out the parts of the definition of the public tree that are in contradiction. And so public trees will really only be the trees that are on public ground and will be entertained by the public. Without the street trees.

We can install...

Maybe we can also include a description of how the owner community plays a role in the tree structure itself. In this way, it takes the perception, oh, I don't have to worry about anything. The city will take care of it. Meanwhile, they have built this little precedent that the responsibility of the owner community is so. So it's in the document itself and no one has to

Aber der Bebauungsplan ist nicht der Ort dafür.

Nein, aber was Sie einfügen, ist nur ein kleiner Hinweis, der besagt, wenn man sich ansieht, wie Eigentümergemeinschaften involviert sind.

Wie machen wir das? Wie würden wir das tun? Weil wir irgendwie, um auf Abbisspunkt zurückzukommen, wir müssen irgendwie...

Und zu dem Thema Gemeinschaft.

Tun wir. Ich lebe in einer Eigentümergemeinschaft und wir kümmern uns um die Bäume. Tatsächlich haben wir sie gerade erst beschneiden lassen.

For the purposes of the development plan, it's that. It's just private property.

So that's... And that's private property. A little bit of space work in this regard. By which definition is the space work?

It's just, I mean, you know... Even the definition of street trees, when you talk about circular transport, then you think of the massive circular transports, which probably belong to the city.

And that's why I don't think we have any road trees in our district traffic.

Don't you want to put her under pressure?

Let's put her on the test bench. We do. We have some. Ups, trees, right?

But not all district traffic is owned privately.

Some of the district traffic is owned by the city.

And the city would be responsible. Good luck.

Just a question you asked. Yes. Well, okay.

That was helpful feedback. I gave myself a lot of notes. I'm sure Liam too. And we will improve that. Are there any comments on the update of the road construction or landscape construction? Yes, but that will only come later. Can we wait a moment until we are there, or?

Does anyone have any questions about this area we are talking about? I think so. Yes. Is there an urgent need to adopt a definition for a street tree? A public tree is there. Is there anything that drives you to adopt this into the definition?

I mean, it is mentioned in the sentence and that is why we want to make sure that no questions arise about what ...

If it is mentioned somewhere else, one would like to make sure that there is a definition for this topic.

die wir verlangen.

Okay, und ich meine, wenn man es einfach betrachtet, aus meiner Sicht, wenn es, und wenn es auf öffentlichem Land steht, ist es ein öffentlicher Bau.

Ich meine, wissen Sie, unabhängig von der Größe der Art, sind alle Straßenbäume, die sich auf öffentlichem Grund befinden, öffentliche Bäume, aber dann öffentliche Bäume in den Parks.

Also wenn Sie eine Straße haben und einen Gehweg auf einer Seite, oder beiden Seiten, Wo liegt das Wegerecht? Wo ist das Wegerecht definiert? Ist es die Straßenseite des Gehwegs oder die Innenkante des Gehwegs?

Typischerweise reicht das Wegerecht bis zur Außenkante des Gehwegs. Also ist der Gehweg im Wegerecht enthalten.

Also ist der Gehweg öffentlicher Grund. Also ist der Baum, der auf dem Grünstreifen oder Parkstreifen steht, wie auch immer man es nennen will, ein öffentlicher Baum? Ist das korrekt? The driveway is the responsibility of the owner of the house, isn't it? The driveway is the responsibility of the owner of the house. In today's world, to repair it.

And to clean it.

So also the trees.

But as far as property is concerned, it belongs to the city.

It is not property. It is responsibility. It is not a question of property.

Who has the right to do that? I mean, to go to the disaster? It is the city.

My only experience comes from the city of Spokane, where we had a urban foreclosure. When a tree stood in public space, it was a urban tree, a public tree, in the possession of the city, and you needed a permit to remove it. So that's my experience with it.

What is still the case with the trees that people have removed in the River District, they had to get the permission from the... When they stood in public space. And there were also some that were not replanted.

Yes, I would say as far as the responsibility is concerned, I think it would be useful to sketch this so that we have a reference when we provide permits for the removal and replacement of trees, as well as a certain authority on what can be replaced or whether a replacement is necessary at all. I think that would affect a lot.

Tell me if I'm crazy, but, and I am, but along the country vista, before you come to Malta, has removed the city trees and planted new ones. But that's not a urban tree.

Uh, if that's what you're talking about right now. Yes, at the school right next to the Pavilion Park. So that's actually more clearly defined as a public tree. Because both the road there and the park are public property.

Well, that's between the road and the street.

So that's a tree of the city?

Because it stands on urban ground. Jimmy doesn't stand on his property. Understood.

But I've already asked this question two or three times. Well, and I think maybe, yes, we get different answers every time. Maybe even a small diagram could help that shows the examples. We might be able to do something.

Well, and to be clear, I think the city council has to, the city itself has to define it. The city has to find out what it is responsible for and what the owner is responsible for. That's why I think we're all confused because it's confusing. Es gibt keine klare Definition und der Stadtrat wird das festlegen müssen. Massen.

Je klarer wir es für sie machen können, weil sie diejenigen sind, die die Entscheidung treffen werden. Und denen wir auch vertrauen. Ja, euch das zu tun.

To briefly connect to what you said, Lenz, maybe an illustration or a better description of the parameters of public law, i.e. what is included in public law, i.e. what is included in public law. I think we can work together and try to find something that clarifies this. Depending on where I thought ... lie between serviceability and public law.

You know what I mean? Right.

I have another question. What is it? I think it has to do with landscaping for a private house owner. One. On page 86, hopefully that's not too far away for everyone.

Yes, that's it. But no, it's not. Okay, I'll jump to the side.

We have some requirements that seem to be new for trees. Speziell für Bäume und andere Pflanzen. Ich denke, es könnte einfach sein, dass sich Gegenwind von der Öffentlichkeit erwarte. In dem Sinne, ob die Stadt all das für ihre Pflanzen und Bäume tut. Denn wenn nicht, verlangen wir von privaten Hauseigentümern. Mehr als die Stadt vielleicht für ihre eigenen Bäume tut. And that could seem a little whimsical to private household owners here within the city limits.

But Dan, didn't you go through our whole list of trees? And we've already done that twice, haven't we?

And I think that's exactly where my question comes from. Are we already doing that? Already?

Currently, we have a large number of maintenance levels for publicly maintained trees. And I think that this should be the standard for all new developments in the future. That's what I would recommend specifically for trees. That's where my focus lies. The preservation of roots and a healthy establishment that does not cause conflicts with the infrastructure. These are the changes I would recommend. I would also like the city to be measured at this standard.

And yes, that's exactly what I'm looking for, definitely. You know, as long as we keep this standard to ourselves, we can say house owners. Please, we try to make our city beautiful. You can follow.

So yes, I think there are also exceptions that are possible, depending on which landscape design the developer or house owner chooses. You don't necessarily need this specific irrigation plan if the plants and trees do not require this measure, whatever.

Well, I appreciate the clarification regarding the species, because in a certain private community north of the river or north of the motorway, which I belong to, there were trees for which we had no list. And so trees were planted because they were on offer and it took 40 years for the walking paths to open on this side. It took us five years.

Just to clarify, are you talking about the changes in maintenance and irrigation that can be seen on the screen there? The top three are the three, four, five. So only on the edge? They only apply to new landscape design? This applies to new planting. So it is not for homeowners who remodel their existing gardens. And it is also not for single-family houses. If you look at 133 new landscape designs, it shows a list of the different types of development on which these standards apply. These are commercial, industrial and multi-family houses with five or more units, facilities with three or more independent buildings, limited use permits and public buildings. So a single house owner would not necessarily have to. That definitely reassures me. I would still like to take the city under the obligation. This is a justified point. We have to ensure that we follow our own rules, which is an important task for us. But this would not be possible for a single one-family house. Thank you for clarifying.

Und wenn die Einheit zum Beispiel eine Mehrfamilienanlage, diese Regeln und Vorschriften einhält und einen eigenen Landschaftsplan verabschiedet, hebt das dies auf?

Nun, das hier schreibt gewissermaßen vor, was in diesem Landschaftsplan stehen muss. Das ist, was Sie brauchen. Das sind die Standards, damit wir Ihre Landschaftsgestaltung genehmigen.

Sie müssen also mindestens dies einhalten. Aber Sie könnten Ihren eigenen Plan haben.

Sie haben Ihren eigenen Plan.

Solange er diesen Mindeststandard erfüllt, ist alles in Ordnung.

Korrekt.

Are we ready? Thank you. I can come back to some points, because most of my observations have simply overlapped. Just to, go ahead. Is it about the same area we're talking about right now? Oh my God, no. Okay, then we'll leave it that way. We'll wait until we get to it.

When the landscape and road issues come, then we can get rid of it and then we can ... That's right.

Welcome to the planning committee of the ...

Ich habe keine weiteren Fragen zu den Bäumen.

Gibt es noch weitere Fragen, Kommentare oder Rückmeldungen zum Bereich Landschaftsgestaltung und Straßenbäume?

Ich weiß nicht, ob das die, die Hydro, ich kann's nicht sprechen, Vegetation ist. War das Teil der Straßensachen oder der Bäume oder ist das etwas anderes?

Auf welcher Seite sind Sie? Auf Seite 30. Die hydroidische Vegetation, äh, Ich frage mich nur, was ist das? Nun, das steht bei der Definition.

Ja.

Okay. Dann lassen wir das. Wir warten, bis wir dazu kommen. Ja, die Definitionen ziehen sich über eine lange Strecke. Ja. Oder die...

Ja, wir haben heute Abend einen eigenen Teil in unserer Präsentation, der sich speziell mit allen Änderungen der Definition befasst. Also wir können... Also wir machen weiter. Und hier sind wir. Wir sind jetzt da. Da haben Sie es. Das war ein guter Übergang.

Sie haben den Übergang gut hinbekommen. Danke.

So, as you all remember, while we went through these sessions in the last few weeks, you know, there were conversations when we saw some of the new state requirements or simply when we became more familiar with the law, we understood that it would help to reduce inconsistencies if we would define different terms that are often referred to in the law or new terms that come from state laws. Also, wir haben alle Definitionen durchgesehen, um sowohl Definitionen zu behandeln, die bisher nicht enthalten waren, von denen es aber profitieren würde, sie zu haben, als auch neue erforderliche Definitionen. Also insgesamt waren es am Ende fast 50 Definitionen, die entweder geändert oder hinzugefügt wurden. Und deshalb ist Ihr Definitionsabschnitt in Ihren Unterlagen so umfangreich. Whenever it was possible, we used the state form, which required the definition, so that we could absolutely fulfill the conformity. We do not complicate it unnecessarily with additional nuances. So, I just wanted to give you this context, and Liam, if you are ready to include the changes to the definitions, we will have them ready and can answer all questions about specific formulations that have been updated.

No questions, but thanks to LM and LT for putting this on the page, whether it was a WAC or an RCW, because that should eliminate the questions. We did it because we had to. Right.

Now, if there are no questions or comments, have you perhaps thought of another definition that we hier hinzufügen können, aber ich glaube nicht, dass jeder hören will, wie ich alle 50 Definitionen durchgehe. Nun, dann keine Fragen.

Nein, wir haben hier eine Frage. Herr Vorsitzender, ich habe einen Vorschlag. I noticed that in the definition section a lot of federal requirements are referred to, no negative effects, habitat management plans, USW, from my direct experience with the US Fish and Wildlife Service, I know that their rules are changing regularly. My suggestion would be, and I spent millions of dollars US Fish and Wildlife Service to give me specific criteria for a habitat maintenance plan or a management plan, whatever you want to define it, to give. Maybe it's not a bad idea to give a short summary and then refer to the Code of Federal Regulations and not to the RCW, because the RCW is constantly changing. and the applicant could otherwise rely on these definitions, which would be misleading. Maybe it's better to refer directly to the CFR instead of the RCW to handle this. What does CFR stand for? CFR stands for the Federal Regulations Code of Federal Regulation. They are fixed there. The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service has all the rules and regulations, for example for habitat management plans that come into play. If you discover something that is covered by the Endangered Species Act, you can ask them to create a habitat preservation plan or a management plan to protect this species. If you work with the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, you will quickly notice that the rules change daily. So yes, maybe some of these definitions are a good idea, but refer to a standard with a more reliable interpretation or definition of what to do instead of the RCW. Because in my opinion, you can't rely on that. Is that in your task area?

I think in the context of this codex, you refer to the habitat management plan of the state fish and wildlife ministry and the protected areas defined by the state fish and wildlife ministry for fish and wildlife habitats. And I see here that we actually don't say State Department of Fish and Wildlife. It's not explicit. So it could be a misunderstanding whether it is a federal or state authority. And I think you could easily fix that by referring to the state authority.

However, remember that their rules and regulations must at least reflect those in the Code of Federal Regulations. So if they change, you rely on the state to change them in time. So if you are an applicant, you rely on what is written here. And that may not be correct. But I think, to get to your point, we stick to the trade regulations and the state. And we reflect that again. And if the federal requirements, which are constantly changing, change, then the state has to follow up and then we follow up.

Right. I don't think the state would classify them as non-conforming if they quoted an outdated RCW, if they hadn't updated the RCW. I don't think they can bind them to the federal regulations. The state is obliged to update the RCW in order to reflect certain federal changes. And if they didn't do that, I don't think they would make them responsible for it. The State Department of Fish and Wildlife will check the development regulations during the 60-day examination process and they will rely on their own RCWs and guidelines. And that's why I think, as we have written at the moment, they are on the safe side in this regard. Yes, I think this definition came from our representative of the Washington State Department of Fish and Wildlife. That's why it was added as it was added, because your comment to us was, please add this definition, then you give us the definition that you want to add.

So that was the result of this exercise.

Yes. So to the definitions on which page? Page 12. And this is just a question about the best available science, how it is defined by W.A.C. 3DOS, the 800-190-9, 900-blah-blah-blah. I didn't take the time to look at this. So I just have a question. Does the best available science also take into account the costs? I just asked.

It can be very costly to implement the best available science. That's definitely possible. I would think so too.

Best available science?

Yes.

That's what I mean. My next question is on page 24. Page 24. We're talking about habitat protection areas. And on page 24 you mention calves and, excuse me, lake grasslands. And how do herrings and stints fit in a habitat protection area?

This is a nationwide definition. So for the areas of responsibility on the west side of the federal state that have another ecology, this would be applicable. And this was a general definition for habitat protection areas, as it was determined by the federal state. So I think they gave us the general definition.

I'm just questioning that. You have calves and seaweed. That's vegetation. And then you have herring and stints, that's fish. Ich verstehe nicht, wie man die beiden Dinge in den selben Satz packen kann. Ich bin da gerade ein bisschen kleinlich, was die Grammatik angeht. Weiter geht's. Das andere war wieder auf Seite 30. Ah, ich habe nur versucht, was es nicht aussprechen. Dehydroitische Vegetation. Und geben Sie mir das bei, ich habe noch nie von so etwas gehört. Was wäre das für eine Art von Vegetation? Oh, that's in front of the hydrozone.

Yes, I'm sorry. It's on page 30. The hydro.

I'm just asking myself, what is that? Macrophytic plant life that grows in water or on a substrate that is at least temporarily oxygen-poor as a result of... Definition.

Maybe I can google that. I've always wondered what it is, but okay, let's move on. Anything that has to do with something that we can answer.

Okay, again, sorry, I'm at the definition, but maybe it's on page 48, 48, where you're talking about an RMZ.

And RMZs are measured horizontally from the outer edge of the shoreline or the channel. I just didn't know what an shoreline is. Excuse me, 4848. You are talking about the fact that RMZs are measured horizontally from the outer edge of the full width of the shore. Should the shore, comma, and the full width mean, I mean, what ...

I think it is a technical term of the Ministry of the Environment, how they define the shore structure. I think it is a technical term that they use.

So it's not a typo?

I don't think so. It also came directly from the Ministry of the Environment during the review of the Regulation for Critical Areas.

Another question on page 51, the small radio system. Is that basically just 5G or is there something else behind it? Wo sind Sie auf der Seite?

Entschuldigung. Kleine Funkanlage.

Das ist nix, was sich geändert hat. Ich frage mich nur, ob das einfach 5G ist.

Nun lassen Sie uns, okay. Versuchen wir die Änderungen durchzugehen, denn das ist, was wir heute besprechen.

Noch andere. Okay. Herr Vorsitzender, wir haben niemanden sonst. Schießen Sie doch. Technische Frage? Nur zu. Dieser Abschnitt über Definition ist tatsächlich verblüffend. Er ist umfangreicher als das Webster Wörterbuch. 40 Seiten. Gibt es in der Stadt auch ein Buch mit Definition für das, was wir hier tun?

Outside of these. And then our urban law book also has a definition section. I didn't know that we have something like a Liberty Lake dictionary.

We don't have it. That's exactly where I wanted to go.

No, I don't think so. It would only be the definition section here and then our urban law book also has a definition section.

Would it be a practical opportunity to create a Liberty Lake dictionary of definitions?

Maybe after we're done with the land use plan.

Ich möchte darauf hinweisen, dass zu Beginn des Definitionsartikels im allgemeinen Teil A2 steht, dass Wörter, die hier nicht definiert sind, so auszulegen sind, wie sie im Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary definiert sind. Also benutzen wir Webster's.

Sie haben gerade noch ein weiteres Problem aufgeworfen.

Ob Sie es glauben oder nicht, es gibt Wörter, die wir verwenden, die nicht definiert sind, und ich musste das schon einmal nutzen.

Wörter, danke.

Gibt es noch weitere Fragen oder Anmerkungen zu den Definitionen?

Nein, aber ich möchte die Frage klären, die Jim bezüglich der Uferbank hatte. Es bedeutet einfach, dass der Wasserstand an allen Seiten das Ufer erreicht. Es ist bis ganz oben. Gern geschehen.

Ich werde nicht vorschlagen, dass wir das in die Definitionsliste aufnehmen.

Es ist unangenehm, wenn Sie als Kommissar eine Frage stellen und wir keine Antwort haben und es nicht wissen. Es ist immer gut herauszufinden, was es ist.

Danke fürs Nachschlagen, DJ. Okay, wenn es keine weiteren Fragen oder Anmerkungen gibt, gehen wir zum nächsten Abschnitt über. Und diesen haben wir hier eingefügt. Es gibt wirklich, Sie werden keine rot markierten Änderungen in Ihren Unterlagen sehen, aber wir wollten Ihnen nur ein Update darüber geben, was unsere Ergebnisse waren und warum wir es für eine Code-Aktualisierung nicht als anwendbar befunden haben. Would you like to explain that somehow, Liam?

Yes, absolutely. So, you know, we have talked about, it is really a difficult word, the ownership housing conversion. And that basically means allowing the middle housing units such as ADUs and duplex houses to be separated as their own real estate, as ownership homes. And our results and discussions with the Ministry of Trade show that this is not actually being treated in their development plan. It is about, and you know, I have never separated an ADU as a property apartment, but I think it is a tax and basic income matter and simply to do an real estate transaction. So it has nothing to do with the zone allocation, except for a clause. So when we dealt with the additional housing units a long time ago, we had a decision in the law that said that they could only be separated or transferred as property apartments if the additional housing unit was originally built as such. So technically there is a regulation in our construction plan, but only with this one interesting clause regarding the additional residential units. So if this would be, for example, the conversion of a garage to an additional residential unit, it could not be separated as a property apartment. Does that make sense?

zustimmendes Nicken.

Wenn es keine Fragen zu Eigentumswohnungen gibt, können wir zur nächsten Folie übergehen. Diese hier ist eine weitere, die Sie nicht in Ihren Unterlagen finden werden, weil sie, basierend auf unserer aktuellen Interpretation und unserem Verständnis, um nicht auf die Stadt Liberty Lake anwendbar ist, da Sie keinen Zeitplan für Infrastrukturabgaben in Ihrem Code haben. Um wo es ein wenig Nuancen gab, war Ihr Harvard Road Minderungsplan. Es gibt Minderungsgebühren, die mit der Entwicklung in diesem Plan verbunden sind. Unsere Interpretation ist, dass dies Minderungsgebühren sind und nicht als Infrastrukturabgaben definiert sind. Daher gelten die neuen Anforderungen im Zusammenhang mit Infrastrukturabgaben nicht. Wir wollten sicherstellen, dass diese Interpretation den Erwartungen und der Auslegung des Staates entspricht. Es klingt so, als ob wir im Moment ein wenig hin und her mit dem Handelsministerium darüber diskutieren. Um, und so denke ich, wir sind zu einem Verständnis gekommen, aber wir befinden uns noch mitten in diesem Gespräch. Mit dem Ministerium. Um, also zum jetzigen Stand haben wir keine Änderungen mit Rotmarkierungen für Sie zur Überprüfung. And. Sollte deutlich werden, dass es eine Anforderung gibt, würden wir Ihnen diese vorlegen und zu diesem Zeitpunkt die rotmarkierten Änderungen zeigen. Ich weiß nicht, ob Sie das weiter ausführen möchten, Amy, oder um.

Frage dazu. Gibt es eine Definition, was eine Ausgleichsabgabe ist?

Ich glaube, das ist eine der rot markierten Stellen, die wir hinzugefügt haben.

Der Grund für meine Frage ist, dass ich Ausgleichsabgaben normalerweise mit den Auswirkungen verbinde, die militärische Einrichtungen auf den lokalen Handel und die Anwohner haben. Ist das...

Similar. So, for the effects that arise due to a construction project, you are allowed to pay, to reduce these effects.

Yes. Page 1 or page 30. In our building order. If I may, Mr. Sicher. Does the state determine how to develop compensation payments, the methodology for creating a compensation payment?

You provide guidelines for this.

Should this be referred to here?

because they don't apply for compensation. I don't think it's necessary for the city to decide to take on this process in the future. It is a fairly extensive process that they would have to work through. At this point in time, it would be something that they would all work through in workshops and look at the guidelines in order to decide how to structure it. Therefore, it is probably too complicated to take it up here because they currently do not apply for compensation.

Procedure follows.

So stay tuned. But at the moment we are in the middle of these conversations or hopefully we have reached a point where we are sure that it is not applicable. I am more optimistic than Amy. Maybe. We will see. Yes. So that concludes the sections for the code update, which are required in connection with the regular update of your comprehensive plan implementation. So, you probably can't see the details on this slide here, but I just wanted to use it to point out that we basically went through all the necessary topics, with the exception of the last conclusion. As you know, there were small things in each session that we had to optimize, fix or adjust, and therefore there are additional red markings to reflect the feedback that we have received from all of you. So we would like to present this in the last session. damit Sie die endgültige rot markierte Version haben, der Sie Ihr Gütesiegel geben können? Wir haben das derzeit für Ihre nächste Sitzung am 9. September geplant. Verstehe ich das richtig?

Geben Sie uns genug Zeit, um zum Rat zu gelangen und es genehmigen zu lassen. Im großen Zeitplan.

Hoffentlich.

Well, if that's not the case, then I don't think it's necessary. We've seen it through many times and the city council knows it, as long as there are no major changes. So if it collides with the big calendar and we don't want to be too late, then, then... Liam, I know this is just our PowerPoint, but can you call up the PDF of the entire work plan?

Yes, give me a few seconds.

While he calls, we will give the city council a kind of introduction to the process of updating the development regulations next week. So that will be our first contact with the city council. Then we would have our meeting on September 9th here with you all. Then we would have our actual work meeting with the city council to go through the changes in detail. Then we would present the development regulations to the trade ministry for a 60-day check-up. and assuming that there are not many changes, we will adjust the Codex to take all necessary changes from this review process into account. And then in December we have the opportunity to submit this to the Council for final dismissal before the end of the year. The timetable is therefore tight, everything has to be perfect and run exactly according to plan. But as you can see here on the work plan, everything can be completed by the end of December, so that there are no complications.

Also. Es ist in Ordnung, wenn man einatmet, aber man muss auch wieder ausatmen.

Ja, es ist ein kleiner Drahtseilakt, damit alles zusammenpasst, aber ich halte es für möglich, da wir nicht mit vielen Anmerkungen aus dem 60-tägigen Prüfungsverfahren rechnen. Ich erwarte nicht, dass wir welche bekommen. Wir verwenden staatliche Definitionen. Wir beziehen uns auf Gesetze. Wir nehmen nur die erforderlichen Änderungen vor. Ich gehe davon aus, dass wir diesen Prozess ziemlich reibungslos durchlaufen werden. Besonders bei der Verordnung für kritische Gebiete haben wir bereits Stellungnahmen des Staates erhalten und diese spiegeln lediglich dieses Feedback wider. Daher sollten wir von dieser Seite keine weiteren Kommentare halten.

Just a few questions, I think. Did SJC also carry out the analysis of the area utilization capacity for the comprehensive plan?

No, you helped with some housing issues, but Lisa did it.

Excuse me? You helped with the housing issues, but Lisa carried out the capacity analysis.

You know, we didn't have the opportunity to look at the scope of work for the SJC to do this work for the city. And that's why my question is, I don't know which area of work was given to you for the offer. I have no idea. My question is, these revisions of the construction plan are somewhat the point at which it becomes serious. Here you will see the changes in a community. Parking, one-bedroom apartment.

All this overlapping density will come through the construction plan. When you have or should evaluate the comprehensive plan, have you ever considered the effects? The changes proposed by the state of Washington for the city of Liberty Lake in financial terms. Have you carried out any analyses from an infrastructural point of view? Have you looked at the analyses for surface usage capacity and said, look, this could be a problem for us in the future? Was there any kind of analysis or sensitivity test regarding possible yields or the like?

Since we did not carry out the analysis of land capacity, I did not do much of this analysis myself, but we certainly used it as a reference to make us familiar with the project and some of the restrictions and possibilities. That's just part of our basic assessment. You know, it could certainly have an impact on a city if all these things are implemented, right? But it's a bit like looking into a glass ball, because it depends on whether homeowners use these things. It depends on how far developers decide to implement these aspects. So it's a bit hard to predict. But the analysis of land capacity ensures that the development takes place where the land is suitable for it. So this process should ensure that these effects are possible. If that helps. I mean, most of them were just

Already early in the process, when we discussed the comprehensive plan and initiated this process, I asked the then planning director Lisa Key whether there would be financial analysis of this plan, while he was developing A or B in the end, to see whether the city can afford it, whether it makes sense financially in view of the state's requirements. Was wissen Sie, was die Auswirkungen wären auf Infrastrukturschulen, Parks, was auch immer sein mag, Notfallzugänge, USW? Planen Sie irgendwelche finanziellen Analysen dazu?

Zum jetzigen Zeitpunkt nicht.

Wir tun also einfach, was der Staat sagt und schauen nicht, ob das ein tragfähiger Plan ist.

Finanziertes Mandat?

That's what you're saying. Excuse me. A funded mandate instead of an unfunded mandate?

That's how I remember it. I don't remember Lisa saying that there would be one.

That's not the intention. It's certainly not included in the current plan for the future. We haven't provided any resources for this kind of analysis, but that doesn't mean that we can't do it. It just means that it's not part of the plan at the moment.

Well, we do that for the streets and we create a detailed cost statement and we come with the investment institution. But we don't do that for this part.

Yes, the plan for the investment institution is different.

And the state practically took this process out of the SIA requirements. What does that mean? Do what we tell you and we don't care if you stick to it.

I mean, it's... Have we ever gone this way before?

Yes, probably. Ich bin nur neugierig, wie wir dem Rat irgendetwas empfehlen können, wenn wir nicht wirklich verstehen, was es bedeutet.

Aber das liegt nicht in unserem Zuständigkeitsbereich. Es ist nicht unsere Aufgabe, den Rat über die wirtschaftlichen Auswirkungen zu informieren.

Nun, die Planungskommission. Ich wie, können Sie einen Plan empfehlen, ohne genau zu verstehen, was er bedeutet? Ah.

Das ist ein gerechter Befehl. Ja, wir tun unser Bestes mit dem, was wir haben.

And the advisers do what they are asked to do? Um.

SCJ was only involved in this part of the process after Lisa's departure, actually more as an reinforcement in a kind of triage situation. When we added SCJ to help with the final work, the question was more like, what do we have to do to meet the requirements of the state so that we remain eligible for funding? So we had to limit our focus to actually keep the deadlines for the meeting and bring things to a conclusion.

But we have no idea what financial impact that has on the city. Financially. Well, I assume that by the time it's about dollars and cents ... The implementation.

Yes.

The city can probably start a kind of protest or a liberation or something like that. Mittelbeantragen, wenn wir wissen wollen, was es kosten wird, da haben wir in unserem Aufgabenbereich hier gar nicht erst definiert. Wir stehen also jetzt vor der Situation, die Kosten ermitteln zu müssen.

Das ist ein komplett neues Projekt.

Nun, ich erinnere mich an keine Diskussion in der Planungskommission, bei der wir einen finanziellen Aspekt zu irgendetwas genehmigt haben, das wir in den letzten zehn Jahren, in denen ich dabei bin, getan haben. Ich glaube also nicht, dass das wieder in unserem Bereich liegt. Ich glaube nicht, dass das unser... The element of the municipal facilities in the comprehensive plan is to ensure that an appropriate infrastructure is planned to meet the growth forecasts that have emerged from the housing demand analysis and the area capacity analysis.

But that does not necessarily speak of the costs of this infrastructure update, but only ensures that the city can meet the service needs associated with this programmed growth. In this respect, it is consistent.

We have discussions about costs.

Einige Zuständigkeitsbereiche führen nach einem umfassenden Plan Machbarkeitsstudien durch, um die potentiellen Auswirkungen genauer zu betrachten. Also wissen Sie, das ist etwas, das Sie in Zukunft in Angriff nehmen könnten. Es ist, wissen Sie, Impact Fees könnten Teil dieses Machbarkeitsgesprächs sein. Also gibt es, ja.

In der heutigen Welt.

Ja, das war's.

Danke, Jim.

Das ist alles, was wir haben für Danke, Lea.

Danke euch allen.

Nun, wir sehen uns am 9. September mit dem endgültigen Paket. Danke.

Ist jemand online? Gibt es Fragen oder Kommentare? Amy from Bericht des Sektors.

So to start with our... Our state's 60-day deadline for the comprehensive plan with the state ends on Friday. So by Friday, all state agencies will have submitted their comments to us that we have to take into account. We have already received comments from the Ministry of Fish and Wildlife, the Ministry of Trade, the Ministry of Natural Resources, the SRTC and the Washdot. So we are, these are the typical actors I expect comments from, but we still have time until Friday. So that's good.

Did you say the land cut?

Wir haben bisher keine Kommentare vom Landkreis. Was ich für.

Dürfen wir die sehen?

Ich kann, ich kann sie mit euch teilen.

Das wäre großartig.

Wenn Sie möchten. Wenn Sie möchten. Sie sind dicker als dieses Paket. Aber ich kann sie mit Ihnen teilen.

Ja, einfach per E-Mail. Ja, wissen Sie, das kann ich für Sie tun.

Ich warte wahrscheinlich bis nächste Woche nach der Frist, falls Sie noch zusätzliche Exemplare bekommen. Also nächste Woche werde ich Sie besuchen. Another thing I wanted to address, Jen covered all the necessary changes in the development code. We received a request to make some additional changes to the development code that are not necessary for compliance with the state regulations. And I would suggest that I present them to you at the next session when we introduce the other necessary development codes and we can discuss and determine how you think about them. We have received internal and external requests to be allowed to use finished houses as offices. So a finished house, as you normally imagine it, is then retrofitted in such a way that it meets the commercial construction requirements. It is a more flexible possibility for people to provide certain office spaces without having to build a conventional building. and my idea of it. How this could look like would be a change in our use matrix that would allow a finished building in certain zones. And then we would create a definition of what that means and what it looks like. And then it would be permissible to use restricted areas in certain zones and we would develop appropriate standards for this restricted use. Again, this is a desired change that is not part of the compliance. So I said, I will present it to the commission and get feedback on whether they agree to present it for recording.

Yes, I think that's appropriate and very reasonable. I want Phil to be here too. So yes.

Any other feedback? Is that okay? Does everyone agree with us?

Well, the part where we wanted to draw a line was the result of the conversations you also had, namely... Do you know how many employees you have and how much work we can do up to date?

Ja, es war eine sehr nachdrückliche Bitte, dass wir das einbringen.

Wir werden ADUs haben und wir müssen mobile Büros haben. ... zumindest ein.

Mehrere Anfragen aus dem Privatsektor und wir hatten auch Anfragen von einigen unserer internen Abteilungen an Sie für diese Nutzung daher. Was war es zeitgemäß? Wir hatten ein wenig Zeit, um dies vorzubringen und Ihnen zur Prüfung vorzulegen, aber ich wollte sicherstellen, dass jeder bereit ist, über das hinauszugehen, was wir gesagt haben, nämlich nur das, was für die Einhaltung erforderlich ist.

Sie wollen also bis später warten?

I would like to present them to you at the next session. If we go through the other red lines of the development codex. I will name them specifically so that you can see which ones we mean and then if we have to solve it and treat it separately and only continue with the agreement, we can separate the two. But there are some temporary considerations why we would rather see it done sooner than later, if possible. Discussions are not bad. You could have your own office. Yes, I think it's nice. So the last small point where I wanted to make sure that everyone is informed is that the city council recognized the emergency through the Spokane fire and allowed an extension of certain sections of the development codex so that we could provide Brad's RV with temporary use as an evacuation site for those evacuated from these fires. Good for you. So you have recognized the emergency and allowed the staff to issue certain parts of the development codex. What I would then present is essentially an administrative explanation that literally determines which codex sections are issued for what reason and in what way and how the rules of the game would look for this specific temporary use for a very limited time. They are initially set aside for 45 days and we assume that this will be re-evaluated after 30 days. If the council decides to extend this, it will be extended accordingly. BreadsRV is ready to offer this support until people can return to their homes and we understand that this could be a long-term situation. I just wanted to make sure that everyone is informed that this is happening and that this is one thing that we are continuing to push forward. We are still in touch with the fire department, the police, the water and wastewater purpose association and bretts rv to make sure that we solve a problem and don't create a new one. I just wanted everyone here to know that this is something that is currently going on.

That concludes my report.

Are there reports from the planning commission? Certainly. I will formulate it as a question that can be discussed or dropped. But you know, the city of Spokane writes, I think, through a regulation that rental units must have some kind of climate system at a certain time. And I tell you, my spontaneous reaction as this was that it seemed a bit stressful. But after I had spent a few nights here in Liberty Lake, where you couldn't open a window because of the smoke, it was just not healthy at all. The temperatures were high. That's where we live. The temperatures were 20 to 30 degrees. It was hot. If you try to open a window to cool off, you can't breathe. Also werfe ich das nun mal so in die Runde der Kommissionsmitglieder. Glauben Sie, dass das etwas wäre, das Teil einer Verordnung oder eines Baugesetzbuches sein könnte? Oder sollten wir das ganz vergessen? Wir müssen es jetzt nicht diskutieren, aber vielleicht bei der nächsten Sitzung. Ich denke, es ist ein Thema. Und ich glaube, mit den kommenden Sommern wird es immer schlimmer werden. Es wird immer wärmer. Es ist also auch ein Diskussionsthema. Nur etwas, worüber man nachdenken sollte.

I think it starts on the city council level. I mean, everyone can lead this discussion, but I don't know if that's directly a decision of the planning commission.

If we would be dependent on the city council for this. So speak to a few city council members.

I think we have to first of all really define the problem.

Because it is much more comprehensive than just... And it is controversial on the city level. Spookies! Sie mussten die Sitzung unterbrechen und verlängern.

Ja, das habe ich auch gehört.

Ich halte es für eine großartige Idee.

Wir haben bereits Luftreinigungssysteme hinzugefügt.

Ja. Das ist auch bei Asthma wichtig. Relativ preiswert.

Wenn man sie hat. Das stimmt. Und wenn man es sich leisten kann.

Wenn man eine Klimaanlage hat. Nun, der Luftreiniger erfordert. Nicht. Oh, ich verstehe. Das stimmt. I want to express my wish as a patriot to say God bless America.

And I'm sure we will swear loyalty.

Most of the time. I just thought this is one time where we could do without it. Hör ich einen Antrag auf Vertrag? Senator. Alle dafür.