City Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

fil I know we'll bring our meeting to order welcome to the uh January 22nd meeting of the uh Liberty Lake Planning Commission uh let's go ahead with the roll call for please Hey Joe man here th alberg here Jim Bomer here DG Garcia Here Charlie Janks here Dale Robbins here Phil forer here Jean huel Troy M here thank you and commissioner um draw blank is out of the country I would entertain a motion to excuse him from the meeting second thank you all in favor I I thank you uh would you please stand and join me with Pledge of Allegiance please a pledge aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all thank you uh we'll review the agenda does anyone have any changes or additions to the agenda entertain a motion for approval move to approve commissioner Jinx approve second second commissioner forer and commissioner Robins uh all in favor all all oppos thank you uh minutes from the last meeting January 8th any changes additions or issues with

the uh entertain a motion to approve move to approve commissioner jins thank you second Mr zberg second all in favor I oppos thank you workshops recap of our land Capacity Analysis yes uh thank you Commissioners and uh chair um because we had several people that were absent at the last meeting it was suggested that we do a relatively quick recap now you're going to have to forgive me because it's hard to recap something as wonky as this so um but I will do my best to keep it short and brief but it is foundational to our comp plan so it is important that that you um understand it so other than the fact that the growth management act requires it why what is the purpose of the land Capacity Analysis or LCA it's number one to demonstrate that we have adequate land capacity to support projected population growth and number two that we've demonstrated adequate capacity to provide housing types that are deemed to be affordable to all all income levels and uh the how different housing types are defined as affordable is established by the Department of Commerce so that's the basis for that as I said the LC is foundational to our comp plan it's the basis for evaluation of capacity for utilities schools Emergency Services Etc it's it's a pretty key component it's we have to have this number and then push it out to all of our partner agencies it does inform land use um and it is an essential input to our transport a network analysis and uh needed identifying needed Transportation

improvements to based upon our projected population it also will inform the parks plan and the capital facilities plan so to start out the process we need to identify projected need from 2020 to 2046 2020 being the census year and so the the two things that we need to do is we need to identify projected population growth and we also need to identify the types and number of housing units needed for all income levels again as I said that's those uh housing types are defined by Commerce so first the population projection so um uh Liberty lakes's uh uh population is projected to be 21934 this was done based upon the countywide allocation of population we confirmed that um in terms of uh our own regression analysis although I've got us hitting that about uh 2042 but that's but it's but it and there's obviously uh there's a little bit of uh uh H deviation of error so the next thing we need to do is identify the housing need and so this is done through um uh the Hat uh um Commerce has developed this housing for all planning tool that basically helps um convert the number of they tell us how much how many H how households for how many uh people of different uh income levels the county will need and then it has to be allocated amongst the uh cities Etc we have a draft of this um that has not been finalized because the county has to ultimately adop adopted but we wanted to

move forward for planning purposes because this is such a foundational piece and basically how it how it turned out um uh Liberty lakes's total allocation for 2020 to 2046 were looking at housing allocation for 0 to 80% of the area median income at at a little bit over 3,500 for the 80 to 120% of Ami is 63 and for the housing allocation for greater than 120 uh% of the Ami is uh 1,100 in change we Al it also identifies the emergency housing beds but because that that amendment is moving through we don't really have to do uh Capacity Analysis specifically for that but it's a good number to know and so again this this is the table that kind of identifies what types of housing are assumed to be affordable for which income categories obviously when you get down to the uh um the low income the um you really uh the zero to 80% we're not going to achieve that except through subsidy so and so there is an assumption that there would be some sort of a subsidy not necessarily that we Liberty Lake would provide it but that but this again this is the basis for the planning for for these how for the uh land Capacity Analysis so once once we have uh once we have identified the need we move on to identifying capacity so we need to identify the housing by type that has been constructed in Liberty Lake since 2020 that's pretty easy um we do an annual um for that and I know exactly how many houses of each type have been constructed we then look at entitled

projects for the purpose of this analysis this uh platted lots that have not yet been developed or considered entitled um developments that are phased that have a preliminary plat approval but have not yet find had the their final plats done are also considered entitled um uh binding site plans that have a specific number of housing units tied to them are considered entitled and projects that are actually under construction are also considered entitled so that's that's where we get the entitled next we need to identify vacant residential and mixed use properties and um and we'll do when we do that we actually do a hand calculation based upon the area the zoning if the if it does not have infrastructure we provide uh um a uh an assumption about how much of that is going to be for road infrastructure utilities Etc and um and the density that's allowed by the zoning level and then for under utilized Residential Properties we go through the same process but only for the portion of it that's not yet developed and so um what do we exclude from this Capacity Analysis P public and private rights of Way open space tracks that are that have been ploted as part of a a development um public facilities utility easements and corridors um and critical areas so um again here's a summary of the basically the housing units that have been constructed from 2020 through 2024 we've had um uh August of 2024 we had to have a specific cut off date so that was

92 units so we've got we're well on our way already to meeting our uh capacity requirements and you can see the breakdown by type um again these are the entitled developments as I said anything that's been platted that has not yet been developed counted and there are um uh about 75 76 lots that are platted that have not yet been uh developed throughout this um we have the portions that are unplatted so in this one you can see that um it doesn't include um uh hawkstone fifth edition it doesn't include the balance of trutina it doesn't include the balance of Ridge West or river crossing East or river crossing 2020 so I mean so so we don't have lots for those but we have but we've identified those is entitled and we know how much is entitled for those developments so look at what's been platted minus what is remaining for their entitlement to get how much capacity is still remaining there um oh and I did also want to point out that um you can see in green uh The Signal Point Apartments um that are under construction we have permits in for um Liberty Heights Apartments we have permits in for Stanley apartments and the south side of the country Vista binding site plan that was identified for multif family is also considered entitled and I think there was 1,115 units if I remember correctly give or take um so these are the entitled units

that we have and again um pretty substantial since most of most of what's remaining that hasn't already been developed is entitled uh we've got uh uh a little over 4,200 units that have been entitled in various categories we've got a fair bit of multif family um and condos um that are entitled at this point and that's a good thing because that really helps us meet our Our Land capacity requirements so the next piece of it is looking at the vacant residential and Commercial so you see um the Toledo station projects over in the river River District those do allow for residential it is a mixed use Zone it's principally freeway commercial but it does allow for some multif family and I believe some small percentage of that has a potential to be um a multif family development um we also have some developments around the um Bitter Root and the courtyard East departments that are owned by a trust we think that that'll all develop as multif family residential we have um we have um 35 Acres the school property that's right now going undergoing mediation there's five acres of that that's going to actually be a park with um soccer fields and a parking uh that's where the uh lead is being in tuned and uh but the rest of it is going to plan to be surplused other than I believe there's 20 acres that the school district is hanging on to for a middle school and and an elementary school for the future potentially um and then we have we have properties that are vacant on um the MTC zone so I in metwood technology campus

and those um if it has a parking lot but no structures it was considered vacant for those that have structures and a whole heck of a lot of parking they were considered um um uh uh partially used and then these two properties over here um are the balance of the Bell Lago plaque and we've actually had some kicking the tires for Gago Phase 2 they are going through uh the process to look at um a reasonable use exception for some of the 30% slopes I don't know if they're going to if that's going to get across the finish line or not but they've done a fair bit of work on it and they probably have um um they probably have um can uh they're looking at I think a total of 20 Lots on that piece and then the piece above it also is not part of that but um has the potential for at the same density another 10 pieces and again that was based upon the severe slopes um so this is the again this is the vacant residential mixed use land capacity this is all in your land capacity analysis I put some pretty detailed notes on the assumptions for how these were going to develop and um basically the bottom line is that uh we have a total of about 636 units that are potentially uh uh developable um for the for the vacant residential mixed use land capacity like I said we don't have much left we did apply a 30% Market Factor Phil I know you're you're familiar with this that's the Cy's Market Factor um that's what's been proposed in the countywide methodology um we did not apply a market factor to that which is all the entitled because

it's developments that are in process but we did apply it to the vacant and the underutilized land and then the last is the underutilized and honestly um uh for under underutilized residential that we're principally looking at um metwood technology camp and what we did here I literally went to each parcel uh kind of identified the area on Scout uh that was that um where there was uh available for development leaving adequate parking for the building that was on those sites and then did the calculations based upon the zoning and um and what we typically see for those um there were also in those particular cases there was also development agreements so some of them could be Apartments some of them could only be mixed use vertically mixed use buildings so those assumptions are reflected here but there's only a handful of pieces so now that we know how much we have and we know what the need is we need to basically compare it and so we're comparing total housing capacity by housing tip and then we also have to compare housing capacity to housing so this is our housing capacity and again broken down by the different uh types of Housing and we're looking at a little bit over uh 5,900 units um across various affordability categories and so this is this is basically the bottom line the comparison of our housing unit allocation to our housing capacity as you can see we are good in all categories and so we have enough um not

a lot extra but we have enough and um then we also have to look at population capacity which is which was the original charge through the growth management act and so um so we're doing we're kind of doing backwards math here so we're looking at the total uh housing units that we have capacity 4 from 2020 to 2046 we're multiplying that by the average per capita household size and then we multiply that by the vacancy rate these are numbers that are provided by ofm every year I went with the 2024 numbers because they were the most recent one of the things is interesting is we're seeing that those numbers going down every year both household size and also vacancy rates so that's it's um interesting um but bottom line is that that's how we kind of compare it and so these are the housing types that we have um and the per capita household size as based upon 2024 ofm rates the vacancy rates um and we basically take the housing units by the household size by vacancy rate to figure out what the population capacity is and so we have a little more capacity than we actually are projecting for for our growth but again our projections are based on a regression analysis there is it it's our best Bristal ball guess so and the last piece of it and this is actually kind of a useful thing um although I'm not sure what it's trying to accomplish with GMA but we are also required to do commercial and Industrial lands inventory and so we looked at vacant and underutilized and the zoning categories and the land area and these are the

vacant properties that we have and we there is a um table that shows the area the green the yellow is vacant the green is underutilized and we have and so we have 400 and change Acres of commercial industrial land still available to be developed so that's the land Capacity Analysis in a nutshell you have questions for me actually pertains to last night's council meeting uh was that a first read it was not so it was just the public hearings the first read coming back that's why there was citizen comment I didn't test the question about emergency housing the question the question was whether or not um we could limit the period of tency for those oh that's what oh okay and kind of really can't because there's first of all it's two different types one is a supportive um uh housing uh and that is Transitional over by its very nature and the other one is a temporary shelter so it just yeah kind of the purpose C your answer but it didn't quite fully get the question I think thank you any other questions yeah I didn't catch this um in the last meeting when you went went over this but um if you can go back to that last table um yes that one right there understanding that we don't have an official 2024 population number you look at that 2020 census population of 13150 between that time and 2024 there were approximately 92 additional units added yes so was that factored into yes okay it it abs and I

didn't see it on there and that's why I was asking conversation with the county because they wanting to go from 2023 to to uh 2046 and and I've done it both ways for population but the housing piece is from 2020 to 2046 so I was trying to keep it Apples to Apples right so because that's a difference of about 2,000 people which isn't a lot but in a city our size it is so I actually so I actually did this analysis in fact I did it to day for the county because they're doing a summary of where people are at and I said they could use my draft numbers MH but they wanted to do it from uh 2023 and I said okay so we did it so we did it from 2023 I backed out the units that had been um uh I or I added back or I backed out the units that had been constructed between 2020 and 2023 no jeez and uh then did this analysis again and I it ended up being pretty close it was 23980 or 90 so very very close the difference being that we've been seeing like I said and I went back and looked at this and I every year the um per capita has dropped a little bit and the vacancy rate has dropped a little bit um so that's so it explains the difference but bottom line is that's uh we with this analysis can demonstrate that we have capacity with this analysis once uh so I'm presenting to City Council on their meeting on the 4th and I'm going to ask them to approve this for planning purposes so that we can distribute this to the school district

to the water and sewer purveyors to aista utilities and uh Etc to TD to the fire district so that everybody has this kind of analysis to say can we serve this population because that's really the next big question right is okay so if this is if we have the capacity for this landwise that's great and Zoning wise that's great but do we have the capacity for it from a utility perspective I'm actually not really concerned about that but I do think that it's important for the water and sewer districts to be able to plan for that and for our PD and Fire District to to really think about what that means in the next 20 years for the services that they provide um you know that we do the network analysis this piece has already been provided to um to our Consultants so that they could develop because this is pretty key to the whole Transportation analysis piece as well so other questions just one quick question there's nothing in here about demographics is there I mean it's not part of the process is that correct it's not part of this process we will be talking about demographics and other parts of it but this it demographics does not really have anything to do okay that's what I thought okay thank you other than the need by by income Lev which is and that's all really being driven by the state and commerce and they're handing down the numbers to the county and then we as a county have to play nice ourselves any other questions and we'll move on to critical area review yes so this hopefully will be a little bit quicker but this was

easy and loow hanging fruit we have an onall planning contract um we it appears that we haven't really looked at our critical area ordinances in a really long time and um uh so um we did adopt uh a flood damage prevention ordinance in 2018 it was and I know that because it was one of the first ordinances I did for the city um but the rest of our critical areas um have not been updated we had the consultant who has a little bit more experience in the critical area ordinances is not my area of expertise I know a little bit but enough to be dangerous um so um we had the consult go through our critical area ordinance checklist and which was included in your packet and um so anyhow so let's let's start from the beginning what are critical areas they're Wetlands they're fish and wildlife habitats and conservation areas they're geologically hazardous areas um and for most of you um probably the most other than unstable soils Etc and there's a whole there's a whole range of criteria for that but what we see um most commonly is that uh slopes in excess of 30% are considered critical varas um frequently flooded areas um and by the way these are regulated by City development code 10- 6B that's our critical areas and 10- 6f which is our flood damage prevention ordinance so um and critical area regulations are required by the by RCW 36. 78060 so we had the consultant uh uh do the checklist and as

I said checklist was included in your um packet and surprisingly we didn't have a lot of changes that we needed to make um again uh the regulations uh to protect the critical areas include designation of critical areas definition of critical areas protection of critical areas and inclusion of best available science and that's actually the the best available science is the reason why we have to review these periodically because the best available science changes over time and so as far as I can tell we haven't really looked at this since 2003 but but come on two or three Corrections yes yeah it is pretty good um but with uh so pretty much they're they're minor so we had to update some uh some definitions definitions for Wetlands geologically hazardous areas fishing wildlife habitat and conservation areas and frequently flooded areas and I apologize for the confusion on the definitions there there are definitions located in several places they weren't in the RCW for two of them and I had to go looking for them in the wax and there actually was a more more suct uh definition for the two of them so that's where that came from um the other thing is that um what was really out of date was our PRI priority habitats and species table and but the solution is simple because the state maintains this and so we just delete the table and refer them to um the uh uh fishing wildlife's uh p where they keep it up to date on a fairly regular basis they have a mapping tool it's lovely we don't have to do it ourselves because there's experts to do it so those are

really the changes that we made we um we have uh so so we have U proposed um and I want to go through the definitions uh uh the fish and wildlife habitat definition comes from wack 365-1966 read it all you can read it uh the definition for frequently flooded areas comes from wack 365 199020 d8 geologically hazardous areas that definition does come from the rcws and that uh um and did need to be updated and the definition for Wetlands um also comes from the RCW um so those were those were the definitions that we changed I did add a section in article 106b that identifies the fact we have a new 106 b1c that says definitions applicable definitions refer them back to the uh the definition section of our development code um because our Consultants were like oh you don't have that yes I do oh you don't have that yes I do anyhow um so uh the other revision was simply to as I said was simply to remove the table for for priority habitats and species uh designation and provide the reference to um the reference specifically to the uh uh fish and wildlife's priority habitats and species um uh on their web app and I left the and I did include the key for that so really our intent with this is to this with low hanging fruit check a box get it out of the way I will say

that the critical the draft CAO amendments and the checklist are deliverables for our first bium uh planning uh uh periodic update Grant and so we wanted to get those out of the way but the other thing is that as I said low hanging fruit this will now go in a folder for all of the development PLS that we're going to change when we get to the end of the process um so questions yeah uh critical area I guess would be uh my view aquifier recharge how does Li within the area of Liberty Lake almost all the city of Liberty Lake almost all the city of Liberty Lake we do have we do have regulations in there and I would encourage you to peruse um uh city code uh section 1060 because we do cover it how do we monitor it how do we monitor it well again so we have there's that's a good question um so we do it through various regulations related to storm water treatment Etc with the use of uh 20 208 SS Etc we do have an enforcement arm um Spokan County um aquafer protection um does handle much of it now we with um when that expires and we think that it probably will because uh because the county can't get enough of the the city of uh the city of Spokan the city of Spokan Valley don't want to piggyback on that we know that that the aqua for protection funding is going to um expire and so we as part of our storm water master plan did look at that and did look at the funding for for that in the future and recognize that we will have to be doing

some additional enforcement actions and additional in the future so that was say we you mean we the city of Liberty Lake will have to do enforcement action yes when so well so not until 2026 and only if um and only if the APA um ordinance does not we included those fees as part of the the financial analysis we did include money to allow for that we'd be we have a we have a an education piece right now on our website that um refers people to other sources for that but yeah that's that that is do we have a storm water system that goes to the treatment plant we do not because we are using 208 swes which is actually that's one of the things that it's interesting because when we went through we were gearing up for what's called an ms4 permit for uh discharge to Waters of the state which is generally a requirement when you reach a certain population and we reach the population threshold I think it's 12,500 well we reach that population threshold so the reason why we got the grant to do the storm water master plan was so that we could prepare to do that permitting we went through the process and we were able to demonstrate that we are not we're not discharging to the Waters of the state because we have done such an effective job of incorporating um uh 208 swes to handle our storm water which is a a most effective way to do it and and it's a very environmentally sound and least least costly for sure yeah there is there is a cost in land area but but again um it also is one of the things that helps us

keep our community a little bit Greener and have a little bit more open space so so there's a there's a benefit to um to even that tradeoff until you have one in your front yard then like yeah well there's that yes yes there is there's that well so um I don't have anything more on this unless anybody has any concerns with the Amendments that we making Lisa I have a question sure on on page 10 on the column I mean on the critical checklist in the column on the right it says anrus I I don't know how to pronounce the word and I certainly don't know what it means number 10 I I have to give me a second because I'm trying to find it in my packet anr fish Fisheries what is what does the word adonus mean I thought it meant fish that go from the ocean in like steel head salmon those they they go from salt water to fresh water great now I understand thank you for the clarification sure see I thought it was something different but I don't know I because there was a was in a spokesman about uh these uh Fisheries that were in Nets in Puget Sound and some of those non-native species got outside the net it was Atlantic salmon that were being raised in a fishery that was an adronis fishery spawn in fresh water and migrate to the ocean just like Jo said never mind thanks to Google you looking for a motion um I don't know that I am we'll bring this back with the other development code um un unless you want to make a

motion to say that you're that we did it that we sheld it until it's time to do I'll make a motion to recommend approval of article 101c definitions and article 106b critical areas as proposed second who second sure commissioner Jinx any discussion all in favor I oppos thank you just looking to save future conversation amen awesome uh schedule for housing element is our next item the road so um I just wanted to pause for a second and share with you that that we are moving quickly with the housing element we will be we will be having a workshop at our next uh our next uh Planning Commission meeting on the 12th I'm going to do my best to get we should have a memo with some recommendations to you all I'll do my best to get it to you a week in advance I'm twisting the tail of the the consultant so that that I could get get to me and comment on it before it goes out to you um and we really um have a pretty fastpaced schedule here so February 12th we're going to be talking about specifically housing policy um and again on the 26th and then we will be bringing back um in the beginning of April the uh Housing and Community service element with some red lines um policies Etc so that's so so again one of the reasons why it was so critical for us to get the LCA we can't really talk about these things until we until we have that that piece under our belt so that this is the next big piece it's there's going to be a lot of

changes um I I will warned you that there are changes to code there are I I saw in uh the legislative agenda for um for this session that there are at least four more four more housing and land use bills uh that are before at least four more now some of them may go by the wayside we don't know but we'll be keeping our finger on the pulse of it we may have to revisit that again we are I do know that there is movement of foot to try and get the six-month extension and as I said I don't think that that changes what we do it just gives us room breathing room if we um when something and something always goes arve when it goes arve the legislature is not moving very fast I've been testifying this whole last week on community safety issues and it's only 105 day sessions so don't expect everything to go through I I understand completely understand completely so I just want to share that with you that we we do have uh the consultant under contract they are working on this we've already had uh we've already met with them once on this and we'll continue to um gave them a fairly detailed scope in what what staff considered to be lwh hanging fruit in this Arena and so hopefully that we will uh get that going on okay we will move on to Citizen comments I understand we have a citizen here presid just a reminder that comments are limited to three minutes your name and address please thank you Mr chair my name is uh Jeremy Jenkins I do not live in Liberty Lake I work for Liberty Lake sh water district

as the environmental manager um I like to uh speak about the the critical areas section of your your development code um we appreciate the the robustness of of the code as it as it stands uh it has proved very helpful in in protecting our our Water Resources um amidst development around our infrastructure which predates a lot of a lot of the development that has happened um but we have been able to coexist with that uh very nicely um I I did hear a question about um monitoring of the aquafer uh on the present the Spokan oer joint board and we are uh a collective of 22 water providers in the valley um including the city as hokan um and and we are are investigating currently how to um mitigate the potential loss of the County's um robust oper monitoring program with the the potential Sunset of the APA uh in in 2026 uh whether that's augmenting with water purveyor um monies uh to keep monitoring going um or if we reduce the monitoring um in any sense o for monitoring around here will not stop good um it is extremely important to keep a a long-term data set running um because when we need the data and we have stopped monitoring you can't go back in time um so um it is my goal and the The Joint board's goal to maintain a robust monitoring program around our aquafer because develop we live and die by it

yes yes um one comment um about the the critical areas um section of of the code um it does mention a critical materials list um and I think that that would be a a good thing to to include somewhere there's reference to it I was very I was unable to locate that um it's a procedural thing but a a list of that is very helpful in terms of of occuper protection so we do have a critical materials list that has to be submitted with every bu building permit but does the city have a a master list a list of of critical materials that would say okay that triggers secondary containment or we we do look at it we do look at that we do look at it and there are and we have actually very we're pretty stringent on uh the amount that people can store Etc so and the fire district actually looks at that very closely yeah and and and we do too and and I appreciate when when we have have concerns it's a it's a good working relationship between all of us so um we appreciate that I know the county has a um a list that I think they established in the late 80s or early 90s it's very difficult to find but it's nice to say okay it's also very difficult to keep updated oh for sure for sure so that's it that's all I had I appreciate your time and I appreciate the the robust nature of of the critic glas section of your code thank you thanks for taking the time to be here yep he me sure if I can just for the minutes I'm not convinced that's a citizen comment that's more of a sewer and water

department presentation update or briefing so I just um I'm not suggesting any action be done but I'm just um anybody that thinks citizen comments are to go past three minutes or is it a discussion that's not the intent this was informative yeah I'm glad he was here I am too I'm very glad he was here but um yeah we could have just put him on the agenda yeah yeah I I totally agree yeah I think U and we appreciate because with I allowed for the interaction between the two but you're still stayed under the three minutes so but I totally agree with you if we have something like that a presentation that might include interaction then I think we should put it on the agenda so thank you for being here again thank you so much absolutely and if you see if you see an agenda printed that you'd like to speak to if you let me know in advance we can just add it to the agenda on the beginning of the meeting yeah we'd love to hear more from you absolutely thank you uh we move on to report secretary's report yeah just uh briefly um so we are looking at uh a housing policy Workshop next time around we I also will be should have an update for you on the parks recreation and open space plan and the city's Master facilities plan um we will um on the the second meeting in February we're going to be uh doing a workshop with the sign code and we will invite the community engagement commit committee to attend as well um because they may be able to help us uh put some information out on that as well and again uh housing policy their shop again so housing

policy is going to take us a little time I would be surprised I wouldn't be surprised if we end up having to add a few more sessions on it and so this is but this is this is some of the meat and potatoes of the the confence will we be letting Phil know Hub on the sign code he was very interested in so he he's on our stakeholders committee okay so he'll already know yes so we we already have a Amy's put together um a handful of uh stakeholders good any other report that is all I have I'm doing my best to just keep up with all these meetings planning commission reports well I know it's was just a question um you know this guy here from the last meeting there was a a mitigation Workshop is that still happening I'm sorry it was a ghg so we have we have the uh the climate planning action team will be meeting actually next week and we also have a number of stakeholder meetings for that uh that are planned for next week consultant is going to be here for three days uh Tuesday Wednesday Thursday we've got meetings each day I I I Amy do you want to share what the schedule is that something that we should participate or be part of or I'm gonna let the project manager to that um no okay the cpat is the climate policy advisory team so that's kind of our citizen group that's kind of ground tring stuff and then our workshops this month are on building and energy and transportation for greenhouse gas reduction and we have um agency folks and agency expt exps coming to give us their input on those things so you guys

will kind of get to review the product of all of that work great thank you you had me at no any other commissioner reports if not we'll entertain a motion for adjournment move to adjourn second commissioner Jinx and commissioner Garcia second all in favor I I thank you everyone thank you