City Council - Regular Meeting

Great. Thank you, Shane. All right, welcome to everyone, both in person and online, to this, the May 19th City Council meeting, City of Liberty Lake. We're going to begin in our agenda with an invocation led by Council Member Quinlan. Please stand.

Good evening, everybody. If you would, just join me in a moment of silence. The area that I'm going to focus on tonight is just the general health and well-being of our country, and then more specifically and closely, our community, as we are here tonight to discuss what's best for everybody and take all of those things into consideration. So just join me for a couple of minutes with a moment of silence and then We'll have Dan, our mayor pro tem, start us with the Pledge of Allegiance. Okay, maybe not a couple of minutes. We'll do that. That works. Thanks, guys. Thank you very much.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Excellent. All right. By our agenda, I call this meeting to order. I'll proceed to a roll call. So Council Member Darl. Here. Council Member Sievers.

Here.

Council Member Linda.

I am here.

Excellent. Council Member Klingler. Present. Council Member Kurtz.

Here.

Council Member Fisher.

Here.

I would look to an excused absence of Mayor Kaminskas. I would entertain.

No. Excuse her.

Second.

And a second. Motion by Council Member Ball and a second by Klingler. All in favor say aye.

Aye.

All opposed. We've got an excused absence then for our mayor. The agenda before you, as was presented earlier, is there any amendments to our agenda tonight? Changes or updates? All right. Hearing none, I will entertain a motion to approve the agenda as presented. I second that motion. Oh, I can't do it.

Oh, I make a motion to approve the agenda as presented. I'll second. Thanks.

And a second by Council Member Darrell. All in favor say aye.

Aye.

Aye. All opposed with nay. We now have an agenda for tonight's meeting. Next is our citizen comment section, the first of two, if there are any members in our audience online or in person. I have one request to speak for a citizen comment for the chambers here tonight. If Craig Phobes is here, could step up to the podium. Welcome, Craig.

Good evening, council members. Craig Phobes, Liberty Lake Residence. address you again tonight regarding the capital facilities plan that's before you primarily as it relates to the library to make one fundamental point with respect there is no actual plan or roadmap for how the city is going to pay for a new library or any number of other future capital needs the last several city budgets including the current budget are the legacy of a prior

I apologize, everyone. Craig, I'm going to have you start over. The microphone in council chamber is not on.

Thank you, Kyle.

Yeah. So we'll reset the timer, Shane.

Sorry about that, Craig. You want it from the top? Yes, if you would, please. We just want to make sure our audience online can also share your comment.

Good evening, council members. I'm Craig Forbes, Liberty Lake resident. I address you again regarding the capital facilities plan before you tonight, primarily as it relates to the library to make one fundamental point. With respect, there is no actual plan or roadmap for how the city is going to pay for a new library or any number of other future capital needs. The last several city budgets, including the current budget, are the legacy of a prior council majority that was biased against borrowing and against significant surpluses of revenue over expenses for the budget year. That provides no savings to finance large future capital expenditures. The new library to be built starting in 2032 is one of the largest capital expenditures in the 20-year CFP, but the funding source is listed as unknown and there are no funds towards building that new library in the six-year CFP adopted last December. This is equivalent to a homeowner who knows that a new roof is needed in the next six years, but who is living paycheck to paycheck and has no idea how to pay for that roof. Millions of dollars aren't going to just fall out of the sky, but taken together, that is how the six and 20-year CFPs read. Our city is growing and no amount of nostalgia is going to change that fact. Current operating costs of all city functions are going to continue to grow with that population just as a family's costs and needs for revenue go up when a family is expanding. The city has several revenue tools that it can use to increase annual revenue more than annual operating costs so as to save for capital expenditures. The challenge for this new council is whether you have the wisdom and the political courage to use those revenue tools in the most responsible and least progressive way to meet the expanding capital needs and operating costs of our growing city. I hope that you do, and I'm sure we'll talk again. Thank you.

Thank you, Craig. Are there any other comments for people in the galleries here for tonight? Don't rush. All right. Shane, are there any comments from our online participants? Okay. Great. That will conclude in the citizen comments section from our agenda. That leads us to the next action, which will be appointments, confirmation of appointments to the city council committees. Mark, could you provide an introduction?

sure uh thank you mayor pro tem uh this is uh essentially a cleanup item uh as you remember the council previously had an item on its agenda during the april 21st meeting that essentially confirmed a slate of mayoral appointments to the three newly created committees and once that confirmation occurred we realized that there was an error in those appointments and so this action is essentially going uh back and correcting that error by confirming Councilmember Kurtz's appointment to the Fiscal Affairs Committee in replacement of Councilmember Darrow, who was inadvertently confirmed on that committee.

Great. So a correction will be seeking to confirm Councilmember Kurtz to Fiscal Affairs in place of Darrow. Is there a motion to confirm this appointment?

I'll make a motion to confirm the appointment.

Awesome. Thank you, Arlene. Is there a second to the motion? Second. Thank you, Linda. Any discussion? I'd call for a discussion. I'd offer that my experience so far in the Development Infrastructure Committee was very positive. For those who have already had meetings of committees, I look forward to the actions that we'll be able to take, and especially the participation of Council Member Kurtz in Fiscal Affairs when the time comes. Any other discussion of the appointment? Thanks. You're welcome. Yes, thank you for your service, of course, related to this committee. All in favor of the appointment, say aye. Aye. All opposed, please nay. It is unanimous. Thank you for your service in the committee, Council Member Kurtz. Moving on in our agenda, announcements, proclamations, and special presentations. Chief Simmons, looks like you're going to update for us regarding LPR. Yes, sir. Thank you.

Yes. Good afternoon, Mayor Pro Tem, members of the council. Just waiting on Rochelle to throw this up. I want to remove this because I do better at moving. So come out without breaking. There we go. So I constructed this presentation with two things in mind. Number one, to remind you of some of the major changes or the major things that we have to make sure that we're in compliance with when it comes to Senate Bill 6002. But also the main thing is to discuss with you and to update you on our progress in gaining compliance or getting into compliance with Senate Bill 6002. We've taken this, you know, seriously as a program, our ALPR, our cameras program period, all of Verkata, Flock, Allied, you know, just to make sure that we're in compliance or there's not going to be anything that sneaks up on us, especially with our new Verkata cameras and their technology to make sure that None of that fits into this category, which we found that it didn't after consultation with Sean and Vercotta. So the main focus today will be block. Next slide, please. So as a reminder, in March of this year, our governor signed Senate Bill 6002 in law. That bill contained an emergency clause, which meant that it went into effect immediately. So it is governing law today. there's two things that we had to think about. Number one, are we gonna keep our cameras or are we going to get rid of our cameras? It's reasonable on both sides, depending on the agency and the community to either keep or get rid of those. After some discussion with our leadership team, with Mark and with our partners around the region, we felt that it was reasonable for us to give it some time. Let's give it some time as a program to see if it's still going to be a viable option as far as public safety for us. Because it's been a great tool. We didn't want to jump the gun and say, let's just disconnect it and get rid of them. We wanted to see what FLOC would do to assist with gaining compliance and the auditing and all those different types of things and assisting us. And so they've been a terrific, terrific tool. partner with us in this they have really partnered with we're not just a customer anymore we're a partner and they've done a lot of things that probably cost them a lot of money and they didn't charge us so next slide please so under 6002 we can use our um our uh use our ALPR system, our flock system for different things. But the data in which we get our information from is limited now and is limited to these things right here. And so, such as the State Department of Licensing, State Criminal Justice Information System, which is WSIC, the FBI, investigation of their kidnapping and missing persons list, uh, Nick mix, uh, missing and, uh, exploited children's list, et cetera. Um, as of now, everything on this list is disabled, is disabled in our system until further notice with the exception of the national center for missing and exploited children's list. There's a reason for this. Almost everything that we get, our driver's license information, stolen vehicles, missing and endangered persons, felony warrants, license plates, all of those things we get through WASC, Washington Criminal Information Center. The bigger things we get from the National Crime Information Center, which is NCIC. For some reason, our legislature left off NCIC off of this list which is the major source of where we get a lot of our really pertinent public safety information. So like major felony stuff, terrorists, gang information, missing persons, wanted dangerous persons from outside of Washington, et cetera. Stolen vehicles, which if it came from out of state, we need that from NCIC. If it's in state, if it's a Washington stolen, we'd get that through WSIC. But if it's something out of state, we wouldn't. So in order to alleviate this, the Washington State Patrol is working with NCIC to bring in that NCIC information through the WSIC system so we can use it. Their legals found a way to do it so that it's in compliance with 6002. There's one problem. NCIC is in the process of migrating to the cloud. And so we can't do anything until NCIC solves their problem of migrating to the cloud. And once they do that, they will contact the Washington State Patrol, Washington State Patrol will do what they need to do with NCIC and inlets, which that's where that information comes from for us through NCIC. And so we can get that information. Once NCIC solves their problem of migrating to the cloud, WSP works with them to get that information. And it's available for us through our ALPRs. we'll move into a new agreement with WSP to activate all of these other things other than our NCMEC missing and exploited children's list and hopefully we'll be fully operational again. There's no timeline on that now. We're waiting on NCIC. So next slide please. So of course we can't use our our flock cameras or any ALPR technology for immigration purposes. We really didn't have to worry about that. We have never done that because RCW 1093-160 basically prohibits law enforcement agencies, local law enforcement agencies in Washington, for getting involved in civil immigration issues. One of the big things that we had that we, and we worked with Sean on this, is making sure that our ALPRs aren't, we aren't getting any ALPR data or we don't have any ALPRs in the immediate proximity of any healthcare facilities, schools, places that conduct immigration matters, places of worship, courts, food banks, et cetera. Um, so we had our, through our leadership meeting consultation with Sean, um, and a consultation with flock again, they've been extremely helpful. We determined that there's two cameras that possibly could violate this, this section of, uh, 6 0 0 2. And we've already made, um, uh, arrangements to move those cameras. One of those cameras were over at the ball fields between the two elementary schools. And the other one was. Yeah. I don't country Vista. I always forget that one. Next slide, please. So, uh, six zeros would change some things when it came to, uh, retention, um, our retention periods. The prior retention period was 30 days. It changed it to 21 days. To be completely honest with you, that was a battle to get 21 days, but it was a win for us. Um, scratch out the warrant. I don't know why I put warrant there, but we can retain data that's related to when we have probable cause that a felony crime or a gross misdemeanor crime has occurred, not just a warrant, but any crime, including warrants. We cannot use our flock cameras to investigate misdemeanors anymore. It's only gross misdemeanors and felonies. After some discussion, I don't think that changed much. There wasn't many misdemeanor crimes that we used it for. It was typically for felony crimes mainly and some gross misdemeanor, so that really didn't change much for us. And we can keep data as long as necessary when our cases are going through criminal court to those that are adjudicated. Next slide, please. This was a little misleading for us, and I'm glad we have Sean because we worked with Sean on a public records request that we received in regards to obtaining some ALPR data that was requested by a citizen. Under 6002, they say ALPR data is exempt from the Public Records Act. But there's specific things that, you know, that aren't really considered data. And we learned that through one of our public records requests. So we had to filter out what we could release and what we couldn't release to the public when it came to our flight cameras. So that was interesting to work with immediately. And I'm glad we did because we learned that lesson fairly quickly. Yeah. But ALPR data is exempt from the Public Records Act, except under certain circumstances. Next slide. Here's where it gets clear as mud with some things, and there's been a lot of discussion through WASPIC and our partners as to what some of these things mean. So under 6002, we're supposed to register our ALPRs with the AGO, the Attorney General's Office, within 180 days. But they didn't say, like, 180 days from what. And so WASPIC, through their research, basically compiled about five different versions of what 180 days meant. Five or six. And so they use that working with their legal team to kind of give kind of a best practices approach and what they would like to see everyone do that they believe is well within the bounds of the requirements of 6002. And that is on or about June 1st, send your letter to the AGO. I know there's some agencies that are going to wait to September, close to that end date of 180 days, things like September 27th or somewhere around there. But we plan on around that June 1st timeframe of sending a list of all our devices, serial numbers, vendor information, locations, all that stuff to the AGO. So that the AGO's office has that. The AGO does have until December the 1st of 2027 to develop their model policy. We currently have our own Lexapol policy. We've had it regarding our ALPR. and many other different technologies that we use. So all of that stuff, we'll have to wait until 2027 to see if there's going to be any changes that are needed. But all of those policies are ready for us to post on our website, which we'll do soon after we beat that 180-day requirement in June, just to make sure that Lexipol doesn't do any updates before then, because they do do updates periodically, and we don't have to repost. There are some auditing requirements that are multiple audit requirements. Flock has been super great already with giving us a plethora of tools when it comes to auditing, auditing assistance, gathering the records for auditing, all of that stuff's already in place and they're continually working on it. So we haven't been through that yet. Most of the audits are like a year's worth of data here, two years worth of data there. So we still have some time before we have to meet the requirements regarding the audits. But I'm confident that we are prepared to meet the requirements of the audits. One of the things that I did was I assigned our detective sergeant as the new program manager for FLOC. And so he's been in constant communication with Flock, and I believe Sean as well. I think you've talked to Sergeant Bowman. And so he's on top of it. He takes it seriously. And so he's doing a great job with making sure that a lot of this stuff, we're either already in compliance or we're going to be able to meet compliance when the time is needed and due. Next slide, please. Again, I just mentioned this. We have to publish our policies on our website and on the AGO's website. I'm not sure if the AGO is prepared. I would suspect that they're going to be prepared around that 2027 timeframe to get all this information when they have their model policies. But I don't think it hurts us to send it to them if they want to publish it. They can. If not, we'll resubmit it. And there's that two-year audit trail. That's one of them. There's also another one, I think, that's a year. Two different things that you have to report. Next slide, please. And that's it. If you have any questions or concerns or comments, I am here.

Great. Thank you, Chief. Is there a discussion or an observation from a council member?

I just have a question. So are they not working at all right now? The system is just down?

No, no, we could use it to search. So we can still use it to search. So if we get a crime, we can use it to search. We're not getting that information. And so those hits. So right now, if a stolen vehicle comes through town and it runs by a camera, it can go by 50 times. We're not going to get a hit on it because we don't have those databases running right now. But it's still useful for the proactive, I mean, the reactive, you know, if we get a crime, we can search to look for vehicles if we get a kidnapping or, you know, a robbery or something like that.

Well, right, because in that one of those first slides that said about missing children, is that?

That's working. Yeah, that's the only thing that is kind of, you know, that's the data coming in to our system that we could potentially get a hit on is the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children's Missing and Exploited Children's List.

That's good, okay, thank you so much. And if you could return to the slide with the agencies listed, I'd just like to review that, please. So Chief, to paraphrase the perspective, these agencies used to provide you insight if, I'll call it a plate, matched their characteristics.

No, so this is the information that we got. So the State Department of Licensing, their information comes through WSIC. the state criminal justice information system is WASC. And it's confusing how they wrote it. I don't like the way they wrote it. It is so confusing. I don't know where this information came from, but this is the way they wrote it. The FBI's kidnapping and missing persons list comes through NCIC. The NICMIC's information comes through NCIC. Washington missing persons information comes through WASC. If we search information on license plates and vehicle characteristics like VINs and if they're stolen and things like that, we get that information both from either, usually from WSIC and NCIC. Because that information is entered by the reporting agency into WASC and NCIC. So the things that you're able to. And this is all CGI, criminal justice information rules. Stolen vehicles, missing persons, people with felony warrants, depending on the person. The seriousness of the warrant and whether or not it's extraditable. Most of that, felony warrants, almost all of those go into NCIC. Misdemeanor warrants generally go into your state system, but every now and then you might catch a misdemeanor warrant for some reason that a state has entered into NCIC for some reason, but they're generally not extraditable because they're misdemeanors. And then any information that's related to any felonies or gross misdemeanors are typically like attempt to locates and things like that. Generally are in WSIC for our local stuff, but it's a little misleading. You can have an attempt to locate, you can have like a felony vehicle hit is what they call it. So say a guy murdered his wife and I hate using that. but something serious like that is an example in Montana. He fled in a vehicle. They can enter the wanted information for not only that person, but that vehicle too, because the vehicle may be one for evidence. So all of that stuff comes from NCIC. If it's, if it's serious enough, probably not going to see a lot of gross misdemeanor information in either one of those systems, usually felony information. If someone's like there's an attempt to locate or a Bolo, But all that information either generally comes from NCIC or WSIC. Those are the two places they're going to come from. So all this information is either in one of those systems or both of those systems.

Great.

And so it's just kind of a combination, but they kind of listed it. I don't, I have no idea why they listed it out like this. They could have just easily said DOL, WSIC, and NCIC and it would have been okay. Okay.

Okay. More questions.

Council Member Klingler. So essentially there's like three data streams that you receive that data, if it's in our system here in Liberty Lake and a plate comes up on the flock system, then you'll get a hit on that and you could do a response of some sort. Is that accurate?

That's correct. Yeah.

Okay. And then the 21 days that you said for retention, is that 21 days of captured vehicle plates that we've done or the data that comes in?

The data that comes in. So any data that comes in, there's a 21-day retention period. After that, it's gone.

Yeah. So that means you have that 21 days for an opportunity. If somebody had a stolen vehicle from out of state, if they pass through and it hit on a flock, then you'd have that data. Correct.

And that... So... I know it doesn't seem significant, 21 to 30 days, but the issue with that is from a reactive standpoint. Because some agencies like our size, we don't have 15, 20, 25, 30, 100 detectives. So if you get a felony case that comes through and you have a specific detective that has a specific niche, like we have Kyle Fritz, he's our financial crimes investigator. If he's on vacation for a week, or two, or he's injured, or the case doesn't get to him for a week or two, that puts you behind the curve. So if he decides three weeks later that, oh man, there might be information on our flock system, he's limited in that time that he is able to obtain that information. You gotta remember from an investigative standpoint, I mean, from a proactive investigative or reactive investigative standpoint, Our investigators have a lot of cases. And so sometimes even if they're assigned a case a week later, by the time the, you know, the detective sergeant reads all the reports and decides what they're going to assign to what investigator, you're already a week into it. And then it may be another week before the investigators even able to get to the case to read it, to start working on it. And maybe another three or four or five days a week before they're able to sit down and say, okay, here's where the potential evidence may be. And so 21 days, it gets a little tight.

So then within that framework, you probably have to triage based on seriousness of the crime, risk to the community, those kinds of things, what you're going to respond to first based on staffing and any number of other factors.

Correct.

Thank you.

Great. Council Member Kurtz.

Chief, how long you said that NCIC was transitioning to the cloud? Any ballpark?

No, no, no, no word. We're waiting word from WSP on the 8th. WSP basically said they're still, I think it was May 8th when I received the email with the latest kind of a go by for all agencies. WSP indicated they were still waiting on that with no no word from NCIC on when they're going to complete that rollover.

I just want to say I appreciate that you had a measured response to this and really tried to think through the impact and how you guys can work around it and what you can do within the law, because it's I think it is pretty tricky, but it's a lot on a lot of people's minds, too. But I do appreciate the way that you've handled it.

Thank you. Yeah, just as a statement, it seems so odd that NCIC would not have redundancy you know while they're making the move to the cloud um i almost wish wsp could go back and do a little bit more digging because that's a huge criminal you know that's offline until you go to the

Well, it still works for us. It works on our main system, but as far as integrating that into the ALPRs, there was a specific file, and maybe I'll show Shane and he'll know what it is. There was a specific file that they had to create either during the migration or after the migration that would work with this ALPR technology. It's outside of my... I understood the premise, but when they started to get technical, it's like, ew.

Great. Summer, Hugh, or Arlene, any observations? Others I'll return to Linda.

Well, so now I'm confused because Rick said we've got three different information streams coming in. Okay, so one is NCIC.

NCIC, WSIC, and DOL, Department of Licensing.

Okay, okay, okay, okay.

Got it. Thank you. Chief, I'd ask my personal favorite recognition of our work or how this helps us today. I'll model. There was an assault. A victim was in the county park. They're able to give you a description of the vehicle. Are you able to use that description with our ALPR right now?

For a proactive search, yes.

I mean, that to me represents, and I think I'm relaying an actual incident, but that to me represents what the most valuable part of having this system in our community is. So, thanks.

More questions?

I got one more, Chief. Usage reporting. Is this then, hey, anytime one of your officers in a car is going to make an inquiry and uses the system, is that a reported usage, or what does that look like?

Yes. Anytime they enter, if they requesting information that is a usage. Yeah.

And that's what now your agency is bound to be report. It sounds like on a period. So, yeah.

And that's information that I audited every usually once a month anyways, to see who was using, who was logging on, who wasn't logging on. So the sergeants can say, make sure you're using this tool. So it was been, it was being done internally anyways. But now it's something that we have to report to the AGO. But to wrap this up, I just wanted, it's, it's, camera related, I just wanted to update you just briefly on our Verkata cameras. They've been a tremendous resource. The quality of the images, it's great um mark actually we sat with mark today and we watched uh um some evidence that we received from um the cameras on uh a car break-in recently um and uh just let criminals know don't park in our parking lots because you're going to park in front of a camera so um but um So they've been instrumental in several cases for us. And thank you for approving those because they've been great. So thank you.

Great. Thank you, Chief. I appreciate the update. All right, next on our agenda, that brings us to reports and inquiries. Are there any city council members with reports or inquiries?

Linda? Well, it was the opening day of the farmer's market Saturday, and we had every season you can imagine in the several hours. We had rain, we had wind, we had sun, we had rain again, and it was freezing. Yeah. But given the really lousy weather there was quite a few people milling around so I think they were just excited to be back, you know, and to you know, go to the market, they were buying stuff. So, um, anyway, our booth was kind of busy, you know, not, not bad, had a couple of nice conversations. So, um, and then, uh, I got out of there about 1115 when Rick came for the second shift, any observations you'd like to add? Yeah.

I think you left out hail. We had some hail as well.

Oh yeah, the hail came after I left.

Yeah, I enjoy the farmer's market for nothing more than just seeing so many kind of joyful faces. They love that experience. I think it's really a slice of Americana and Liberty Lake in and of itself. I can highly recommend the croissants. I had one of those. Those were fantastic. And the music was really good. And I understand that the musicians that were there are going to be doing the library story. Yeah. A little plug for that upcoming event as well.

Right on. Oh, that's beautiful. Excellent. That's it. Thank you. Summer.

Yeah, I signed up through the Association of Washington Cities, the Wasselli group. So Washington Collaborative Elected Leaders Institute. Myself, Ben Wick from Spokane Valley, and Rebecca Long, council member from Cheney. So we're going to work on navigating difficult conversations and get together over the summer a few times. So looking forward to that. Excellent. Thank you. Annie?

I went with Mayor Pro Tem last week on Friday to Ridgeline High School. We got to talk to three different classes of civics, seniors graduating. It was the two of us for the first two periods, and then Ben Wigg was there for the third period. So we got to field a lot of different questions. Students are very curious what's going on in Barker. So we talked about roads, we talked about taxes, we talked about a lot of different things um each conversation was different but it was really nice to be um to hear what they were interested in and um just be with them so it was fun cool

Absolutely. I'd compliment that. You know, my gracious thanks to Erica Maxwell, the librarian at Ridgeline, as well as the civics teacher. To me, it was really great to be able to understand perspectives from students and really a very, I'd say a very casual dialogue about what is local government and how does this work? And I think all of us took time to try and create encouragement to get involved, identifying where there's opportunities for kids even to be able to be part of and, you know, get involved. So that was great. Okay.

Did you mention we have no one on the student commission?

It's true. It's true. Now, as the outgoing seniors will call it, there wouldn't necessarily be an opportunity for them to be engaged directly. But we did mention that as an important part and a way that students could become involved in what we're up to here. So that's great. From the community I just share this morning deliberately Kiwanis, along with the Spokane Valley Kiwanis were able to recognize. I think it was like 30 students with scholarships awarding as a group in total, more than $30,000. So this was an excellent opportunity to have what is really the students in our midst that are going to be leaders stand and be recognized, offer some observations, and then for us to give them some resources to propel them forward in their education. So yeah, I share with people as they read through some of these applications in support of it, it gives me hope for the future that these kids, in my opinion, these students, sorry, really do offer promise to go on and great things to happen. That would be my update. Arlene.

So I'm not sure if you're aware, but Meadowood is hosting the state single-A golf, state golf tournament right now. And there's many schools across the state that's right here in Liberty Lake filling up our hotels. And I want to shout out to Seattle Christian and my son-in-law, Mark Burton, who is heading up that group. So my son-in-law's here.

Oh, that's excellent.

So we've been, we've had a lot of good family time and a lot of fun kid time. So.

Wow, that's beautiful. It is always a great joy to welcome larger regional contests to the area. What it brings in terms of businesses and potential heads on beds, always a good thing. So thanks. Any other city council observations? All right, over to the mayor's report. I don't have much, no. I've already offered a couple observations for my work. City Administrator, Mr. McAvoy.

Thank you, Mayor Pro Tem. Members of the Council and our viewing guests, both in the chamber and online, as Shane is pulling up. Our reminders will start off by pointing out that we are on the cusp of another Memorial Day here in the City of Liberty Lake. And so with that, we have the Memorial Day observances that are taking place out at Pavilion Park, and those start this Friday, the 22nd, and go through. Monday, the 25th, and you see the variety of different things up there. These are all sponsored by the Centennial Rotary. And so you've got the Luminary Tribute that is Friday through Monday, each of those days. And then on Saturday, you've got a couple of different events, the Fallen Heroes Circuit course, which is Saturday starting at 8 a.m. And then on Monday is the annual Pancake Breakfast that starts at 8 at Pavilion Park. And that's not only a breakfast, but a ceremony. And all of those proceeds go to benefit Honor Flight, I believe. And so if you have time and are interested in Memorial Day observances, come check some of those events out. And then Monday the 25th is Memorial Day. And so the city will be, well, City Hall and the library will be closed in observance of Memorial Day on Monday the 25th. A little bit later, Sunday, May 31st, is the Liberty Lake Parks Ride. This is being organized by the Pedestrian and Bike Safety Group in town. And this begins assembly out at Orchard Park at 8.30 a.m. I believe the ride actually starts at 9 a.m. This does require registration. So visit our website and check that out if you're interested. There's a link there to be able to register to get involved in that ride if you like doing that kind of thing. And then Wednesday, June 3rd, we have the Rock Garden Dedication, also at Pavilion Park. This is sponsored by the Liberty Lake Better Together Foundation, and that is a 1 p.m. start. And you've probably, if you've driven past... pavilion park in either direction, seeing the work that's going on out there. That's what's going to be dedicated on Wednesday, June 3rd. And so if you want to see what that's all about, come and check that out at the dedication. And then a little bit downstream of that, Friday, June 5th, a very popular event is returning Touch a Truck. This year it's going to be at Town Square Park. A little bit different of a setup. We're trying to put it at a time of day where more people may be able to attend. And so it's starting at 3 p.m. and lasting through 7 p.m. There will be food trucks and some other things associated this year. And so this is always a fun event to bring kids to. And so look forward to that on Friday, June 5th. Any questions about any of those reminders before we move on to some of the briefings?

Great to see all the activities.

Absolutely.

Very engaged community.

And so the first briefing, and I'm not sure if Ben wants to also make any comments. He's welcome to do that. And if he wants to, we'll allow him to join us at the podium to do that. But it is National Public Works Week. And so, Shane, if you want to go to the next slide, I really like their poster this year. That is a vibrant, colorful, a lot of happening in that poster. So this... commemorates National Public Works Week. And so public works agencies across the country are sort of commemorating this. And so we're proud to partner with the American Public Works Association to promote the theme this year. It's rooted in service powered by community for the week, which is May 17th through the 23rd. And really the theme represents, it's representative of the anchoring presence that public works has in our communities. Public works innovations have made it possible for our cities to evolve and become the centers of life, commerce, and culture that they are today. And so we certainly have a public works department, and all of those folks are involved in these kinds of things. But it also applies to folks like at the Liberty Lake Sewer and Water District, city engineer, and certain other folks that are in our community development department. And so you see public works all the time and may not recognize that that's what it is, but people repairing streets, building things, maintaining rights of way, planting trees, striping streets, all of that kind of stuff is what we're talking about, maintaining water and sewer systems. And so regardless of what the work is going on, those efforts collectively over the decades really form the foundation of thriving communities. And they remind us that all of those projects, whether we see them or don't see them, really connect the service to the people. And so we just want to thank our Public Works folks. And so, Ben, I know we have a lot of new employees that have joined our ranks in Public Works over the last several months. And so they obviously are going to become part of that team that continues to deliver these services to the community. But any words that you'd like to share from the perspective of the Public Works Department?

I think we're taking this week to share who we are as a people. So we actually have a City of Liberty Lake Public Works Facebook page that I've been sharing some stuff in. And David usually will pull that onto the city page. So there's some additional kind of... photos out there on social media this week. I just also wanted to know, I know Mark had mentioned some of our utility partners, but Avista will be out with Don Walker tomorrow, putting a pump down here as well. So that's another great service that's provided to the community through another utility provider. Yeah, it's just an opportunity to celebrate. It's a national thing. We're, I think, about 18 to 19 months in as a public works department. We're looking to get better and better every year, and we appreciate your support.

All right.

Thank you, Ben.

Thank you, Ben. I have a question for Ben.

Oh, Section Council Member Ball.

When's the new building going to come in? The little, you know, modular that you...

It's being manufactured. We're working some permitting issues with Amy's department, but sometime this spring is what we're looking at.

Amy.

No, no.

She's been very accommodating and helpful in making sure we're doing it right.

And where's your sash? No, Mr. Public Works.

I've never had a sash before. I can work on that for next week. It's in the mail, Councilman. I do think the poster didn't come with a sash, though.

Very cool. Excellent. Thank you, Mark.

Any other questions about Public Works Week? All right, Shane, if we can go to the next briefing, which is a quick update on the, excuse me, city logo refresh. If you all remember, and Shane, if you go to the next slide, I just want to give you a quick timeline of events to bring you up to tonight. If you remember the conversation that took place during the meeting on April 14th, there was consensus at that point to kind of rethink the process that was presented. And so we sort of took a different approach starting on April 23rd. sent out an open invitation to the community inviting them to a meeting to have a discussion about what we were proposing to do and what their thoughts were about the current logo and so that took place on April 23rd and based on the feedback that we got from that group we turned that into a community survey that we wanted to get a wider perspective from more people and so we put The feedback that we got from the meeting on April 23rd into a handful of questions, it was very brief. It was designed to basically confirm some of the feedback that we received. And so that also was an open invitation. So we didn't mail anything out to specific addresses or anything like that. It was a, if you're interested in this topic, here's a survey invitation, please take it. And so in total, we got over 300 responses. It was open for just two weeks. We wanted to make sure that we were being able to move the timeline along and I'll share some, feedback from that survey in just a moment. But I also wanted to let you know that on May 18th, which was yesterday, we went through a vendor selection process, made a selection on a vendor that's going to help us. And so I'm happy to announce that through that process, we have decided to work with our partner at Visit Spokane. They are obviously our tourism Proponent an organization that kind of works in that realm in the region. And so we have a pass through that goes to them. And so this work will be done with no additional charge to the city. And so that's an important component of this. And so that brings us to tonight with this update. And so, Shane, if you go to the next slide, I just want to kind of share with you some of the feedback that we did receive through the community survey. And so I'm presenting to you everything as exactly as it was presented and then the responses that we received. And so during the April 23rd meeting, we like I said, we had a lot of dialogue going back and forth. We asked. a series of 15 questions and we condensed the feedback that we received into the next three or four questions. And so the observations that came to us through that discussion on the community meeting essentially were these, right? The logo is confusing and busy. It feels antiquated and tired. The color palette's not exactly vibrant and the fonts are inconsistent and hard to read. There were other things, but that was the gist of it. And so we asked in the survey, take a look at these observations and then tell us whether you agree or disagree with those observations. And so as you can see there, and Shane, if you'll click the next button there to bring up the, so those that agreed were essentially double those that didn't agree. So it's 57 to 28 essentially are the splits there. And so 57% of the respondents agreed with those observations is what this is telling you. And so if you move to the next slide, Shane, then what we did is we said, OK, what objects and images most represent Liberty Lake and are essential to include in the city's logo? And this is interesting because the number one answer doesn't isn't currently on the logo. Right. So mountains by far is the number one answer. object and or image that people want to see on the logo. And the difference between the darker colored blue and the lighter colored blue on the bar is the darker colored blue is the percentage of folks who answered who said this was the number one thing that we want to see on the logo. And so it's interesting to point out that even though the lake came in third place overall it was by far the number one uh people's choice right so that's an important distinction to point out down on the bottom there we did give people an opportunity to say if what you want to see on there isn't represented in this list tell us what that may be and although that was a fairly low percentage overall you can see some of the uh some of the suggestions that we got american flag golf cards those kinds of things but fairly low numbers and so What we're dealing with here in terms of top three, we've got mountains, trees, and the lake. Those are the essential items that people say most represent the city and are essential to include on the logo. Shane, if you go to the next slide, please. And then we asked them, you know, do you want to see it oriented more as a circle or a square? It's currently a circle. And you see the overwhelming majority of respondents said they would prefer to see it laid out as a circle. And so I believe that is the end of the, Shane, is there another slide on there? Okay, sorry. Next steps. So Visit Spokane is going to produce two or three conceptual designs for us using that feedback. We're going to go through another round with those conceptual designs of community feedback. We want people to see them and tell us what they think about them. And then at some point, we're going to bring a final design recommendation. The city council is going to need to adopt that. And then we will go and produce that refreshed logo, assuming we have one, right? And style guide. And so we had previously talked about trying to unveil this on July 4th. That is going to be extremely difficult. We are still working under the assumption that that is the plan, but given the revisions that may need to occur with the conceptual designs and the feedback process, we may be coming back to you at some point saying we need to extend that out beyond July 4th. We will have something to show on July 4th, but that may be the conceptual designs. And so that's the update that I have for you this evening, and I welcome any questions.

Questions? Mark, I'd observe the Labor Day weekend and the symphony performance has typically been a happy birthday city celebration for us, that the city's incorporation date is close to around that. And so I wouldn't mind or maybe would even suggest if that was a possibility. That's a big event for our community, obviously has a lot of people in the park. So that's out there. Great.

I've noticed on a lot of Well, it's not on this, but underneath it's saying 25 years. Is that a permanent thing or, you know, like underneath the logos? I've seen on a lot of slides. Yeah, this is 25.

That's just a commemorative addition. Right.

But I mean, that's, I mean, I think it looks good. It's kind of, you know, new, interesting thing to look at. I mean, that could suffice for the fourth. I don't know.

Charge on Mark. We look forward to updates regarding potential timing for this.

Thank you.

Great.

Does that conclude the city of Minnesota? Oh, sorry. Yes. That concludes my report.

Right on. All right. Next in reports and inquiries, we'd like to note the Liberty Lake sewer and water districts. Shane, do we have any of our district members in the audience? Nope. Okay. Guys are busy. All right. That brings us in our agenda to item 10, workshop discussions. We'll begin then with the for and against committee discussions for the property sales tax ballot measure. Kyle, welcome.

Mayor Pro Tem, Council, thank you. So Shane's pulling up those slides. We're going to give just kind of a brief few slide rundown of the playbook that the city needs to execute between now and August 4th to get our for and against committees established. It's part of a requirement by Spokane County and the state to get a... fulfill our obligation for the ballot measure and include all those items in the voter's pamphlet for the November election. So next slide, please, Shane. So as you'll recall, Resolution 26-284, adopted back in March, authorized the public safety sales tax ballot measure for the 2026 general election. And so part of that requirement, as stated in RCW 29A.32-280, requires the city to establish two committees, one for approval of the ballot measure, one for potential rejection of the ballot measure, And those committees need to be submitted to the Elections Department by the filing deadline of August 4th of 2026. So next slide, please. So obviously, you know, these words are used interchangeably. So you have for, pro, against, con. So Spokane County refers to them as pro and con committees. Spokane County refers to them as for and against. The state refers them to pro and con committees. And so each committee is comprised of no more than three members. There can be less than three members. For the pro committee, the committee must consist of residents of the jurisdiction known to favor the measure. A little bit of a change for the con committee is that the statute says whenever possible, the committee must consist of residents of the jurisdiction known to oppose the measure. It's not a requirement for the con committee. Next slide, please. Some additional details. So the committees may include elected officials and or city staff. I think that provision is included in there just because I think there is potential for lack of interest in anybody serving on these committees. And so there is the ability for city staff and or elected officials to step in to fill those roles to provide the statement that's requested by the county. And so... As we alluded to before, these statements provided by each committee will appear in the local voters pamphlet. And the PDC disclosure is not required for these committees if it exists solely as the committee for this specific ballot measure versus a larger kind of lobbying effort. And so if it's just strictly related to the public safety sales tax ballot measure, there's no need for committee members to file with the PDC. Next slide. So the state and the county provide for if the local jurisdiction doesn't fulfill these obligations, what happens? And so if the legislative body fails to make these appointments by the deadline, the county auditor steps in and makes appointments to these committees on a first come first serve basis. So if these statements are not produced, county auditor will just essentially in the voters pamphlet state as such that there's a blank area in that voters pamphlet where you would see obviously all the other ballot measures populated with additional information to inform the voters. So next slide, please. Additional key details. This is a kind of a summary of some of the requirements for like the statement and the committees as a whole. As we alluded to earlier, up to three members each. You can see the difference there. You don't have to be a resident for the against. Obviously it's encouraged. We are going to advertise to that. And so the statement limit is, there's a maximum of 250 words for the statement limit. The deadline to get the statement in is August 6th. So the committee formation, those details need to be to the auditor or the elections department by the 4th. The statement follows by two days, August 6th. And then Spokane County does offer the opportunity for a rebuttal. And so the statements will be submitted to the elections department and those will be shared with the opposing committee. And then each committee then has the chance to provide a short rebuttal. And so that deadline is four days later, and that maximum is 75 words. So there's a little bit of a back and forth with Spokane County that they provide the opportunity to include all of that information in the voters pamphlet for the general election. So next slide, please. So the document here on the left is essentially the playbook that the Spokane County provides for a successful execution of a ballot measure. It's about 16 pages long. It covers anything from the city's obligation to the committee's obligation to the elections department's obligations. And so this will be shared with each committee once those are formed to ensure that everybody understands what their duties are between when the committee is formed and when these deadlines start to come up. The document on the right is just something I put together. And so our application or our solicitation of interest will look something similar to the document on the right, essentially just stating name, address, what committee are you interested in serving on? Are you a registered voter? Do you live in the city? And there's just a brief summary of... why you are seeking appointment to either one of these committees. And so the city will be putting out something like this through our communication channels to solicit interest in each one of these committees. Next slide, please. And so based on all of that, here are some next steps. Here are some dates that I've put on the calendar that just kind of make chronological sense. And so we'll put together the explanatory statement, share that with the advertisement to solicit applications and have that out by June 3rd. set a deadline of, you know, three, three and a half weeks out to give the mayor an opportunity to review those, have the mayor appoint those interested, and then have council confirm those at the July 7th meeting. So this gives then the committees about a month to develop those statements and get that information to the elections department. And so... Um, with that, this is basically kind of our playbook from now until August 4th to, to get our required documents to the county. Um, before they start kind of having their own open solicitation, um, for, for interest in this. And so, um, I, I guess I.

looking for maybe just general concurrence on what the timeline you see up here um and the process and with that i'll kind of stand for any questions if there are any great and councilmember gurts um i don't know that i have um any concerns with the timeline i think one thing that's different from the last time we did this last year was that the council nominated people versus the mayor appointing and then us confirming is there a reason for the change

Um, so this just mirror. So I think we were kind of in a rush to get everything together last year. This, I mean, this is, I guess, more, more of a process that would, I guess, mirror what the county would do as well. So.

Great. Thank you. Other questions. Kyle, I appreciate the presentation. I think the detail is good. And yeah, we got time. I look forward to getting this out into the communication channels and getting participation and engagement from the community. This is yet another opportunity for those who want to be a part of what we do, step forward and be part of it. Great.

Thank you.

Thank you, Kyle. Right on. That moves us to item 10B in workshops, review the draft comprehensive plan. Amy.

Thank you.

Good evening, everyone. I am very excited to present our draft comprehensive plan. That is not sarcasm. I am very excited. Our staff has been working very hard for over two years on this, and so this is a milestone that means we are close. That's very exciting. I want to mention that we are aware that our online version has some formatting errors. So I just wanted to make sure everybody knows that. We know that those are there and we're actively working on them as we speak. So I want to focus this conversation on the content of the plan and specifically the goals and policies that are contained within that. I also want to mention the incredible amount of time and effort that was invested by Lisa Key in drafting this plan. She not only wrote a lot of these elements, but she also did an exceptional job at laying a foundation for us to be able to continue moving forward and be successful even after she left. Also, because she was so integral in writing a lot of these, there's a high likelihood that you will have questions that I cannot answer. I will do my best to find the answer and then circle back with the group, but I just wanted to kind of lay the groundwork for that. Next slide. So I'm going to try and keep this high level, but for a little bit of background, why are we doing this? We are doing this for compliance with the Washington State Growth Management Act. It was adopted in 1990 to manage growth and protect rural resource lands. And so it directed communities to develop a comprehensive plan. It requires eight mandatory elements. Ours has 12. It must be updated every 10 years. The law state lawmakers amend this law regularly, frequently. And you'll see that as we move through that a lot of the work that was done this year was to try and meet to comply with some of the changes that have happened. The Growth Management Act also requires early and continuous public participation throughout the plan development. So next slide, please. So our public participation really kicked off in the summer of 24. We did a series of kickoff meetings, and we throughout this time we have met with individual and group stakeholder meetings. We have done lots of online posting documents online posting story maps invitations doing trying to communicate online as much as we can. We created the climate policy advisory teams specifically to help us develop the climate element that was required. That is a new requirement. We went to a lot of different community events. We tabled at countless farmers markets, barefoot in the park. We went to some other kind of community events that were going on that we thought might be relevant. We also started meeting with the Planning Commission twice a year or twice a month in 2025, which led to a lot of workshops, and you'll see that as we move through too. We've also engaged state and local agencies throughout the process to make sure that not only are we meeting the intent of the Growth Management Act, but we're also meeting any other needs that need to be reflected in the plan. Next slide, please. So overall organizational changes. So we did change kind of the format of it. The introduction was split into two separate chapters, introduction and the governance element. The goals and policies are currently their own chapter, and we integrated those into the appropriate elements. Community and human services was combined with housing to create housing and community services. The natural environment element was expanded to accommodate our new climate sub-elements. And the utilities was combined with essential public facilities to create utilities, public facilities, and services. We also shortened the name of the urban design and community character to just urban design. Overall, this update is actually longer than our existing plan with most of those pages going to transportation and housing. I have not included anything in this presentation about appendices. They are voluminous and available online. There's about over 900 pages of them if you are looking for some light reading. Next slide, please. So now the elements. Our intro. Again, the intro was simple. We just updated the dates and some numbers. We included a synopsis of the changes that have happened to the Growth Management Act, our population projections, and a new map. We added the vision statement that came from the strategic planning process and a summary of the update process that we went through the last time and that we're doing this time. Next slide, please. Governance. The goals and policies for this element exist in our comp plan today, and they are mostly unchanged. The biggest change was separating the intro and governance. Next slide. Cultural and historical resources. There was no change to the goal. They stayed the same. The policies were updated. Most of the policies remained the same with some small updates to them. The policies that did not remain the same, we attempted to kind of capture into a new policy that was kind of looking at the potential of exploring a historic preservation program. There's quite a bit of resources that would be associated with that. So it's really just kind of laying the foundation if that's the direction we wanted to go that the comprehensive plan is supportive of that. We tried to make the whole document easier in this particular chapter. There was a lot of specific locations and business names that we tried to kind of reduce so that it was, you know, things change, things move on. And, you know, northwest quarter of the southwest quarter of the east-west quarter just gets very long and cumbersome, and most people don't understand what we're talking about. So we took that stuff out. We also added a paragraph about the incorporation that happened in 2001. Next slide, please. So the climate environment, the climate and natural environment. So our current comp plan was actually pretty visionary in that it already has a natural environment chapter and it lightly touched on a lot of what we needed to do for the greenhouse gas and resiliency. So most of those goals and policies stayed the same. There was a little bit of updating. We updated some resources and some information to be a little bit more current and then eliminated what would be redundant with the greenhouse gas and resiliency sub-element goals and policies. So there was House Bill 1181 was added to the Growth Management Act, which directed communities to certain communities, ours included Spokane County, to add a greenhouse gas reduction element and a resiliency sub element. And so we did that because it was new and there was no existing kind of public participation on that specific topic. There was a lot of targeted outreach on that particular topic. subject. We developed the goals and policies with the help of our consultants at Parametrics and also with our stakeholder groups, the Climate Policy Advisory Team and the Planning Commission. We presented both of those sub elements to the City Council last year in 2025. And then we presented to Council in 2025, and then we submitted it to the Department of Commerce, the Greenhouse Gas Sub Reduction Element, and they provided us feedback on March 6th that no additional changes were needed, which was good news. Next slide. Urban Design.

Next slide, please.

So again, we simplified the title. It's currently Urban Design and Community Character, and it's cumbersome to say when you're having a conversation, so we shortened it to Urban Design. There was a lot of extra in this particular chapter. It was very difficult to kind of, it took a surprising amount of editing, but the goals and policies stayed largely the same. And we kind of tried to just distill the narrative down to what was actionable and prioritized by the city. What could we actually define and implement into our development code? Next slide, please. Housing and community services was a big one. So again, we combined the housing and community and human services element. We combined those two together. There were a lot of changes to the Growth Management Act about how we need to plan for housing. And so we tried to focus this update on our housing projections and making sure that we had the capacity to be able to accommodate our projected growth at all income levels. We also added a housing implementation strategies section that kind of gives us a roadmap to how we're going to achieve the goals that we're saying that we're going to achieve. Next slide. So housing, Lisa worked a lot on this specifically with our consultants with SCJ Alliance. We workshop this a lot with planning commission. We had about seven workshops with the planning commission on housing and some recommended strategies to do what we needed to do. And we did all of that before we presented the draft to the council in May. The existing goals and policies were retained, but they were reorganized. And then we added one new goal and 19 new housing policies. I will add that we worked really closely with the Department of Commerce as we were kind of working through this process to make sure that we were meeting the needs and we were meeting the intent and that we were kind of hitting all of our marks. And so far, they've provided us with positive feedback. Next slide, please. So the community services, this one was a little bit less intense than the housing one. The goals remained the same. The policy language, the intent was retained, but we did update some of the language. And then we added two new policies, one to support the climate element goals and another to support the housing goals. Next slide, please. Land use. So the goals and policies for land use remained largely the same with some minor, we did some minor language updates. We added language about the river district SAP and just generally updated numbers, population projections, and the different descriptions of the different kinds of land use categories. Next slide. Transportation, this one was also a very big one. This one also received quite a bit of attention, about seven to eight workshops with the Planning Commission on the element itself or the supporting appendices that are listed up there. There was a lot of them. And you guys know that because you guys got to hear all those too. The goal remained the same to maintain a multimodal transportation system that provides safe and efficient travel to, from, and within the city. The policies remained mostly the same. The current plan has 35 policies. The new one has 30. We actually removed eight policies because they were either redundant or they were reflecting projects that had already been completed. And then we added three new policies. We also added quite a few more maps and expanded the level of service discussion based on the network analysis. Utilities, public facilities and services. So again, we combined utilities and essential public facilities into this one element. The goal remained the same. The policies also remained the same, largely with just some minor updating to the language. And the narrative was updated to reflect current numbers, as well as conversations we had with individual service providers about what their needs would be to serve our future growth. And all those conversations went well. Next slide, please. Economic development. So the goal remained the same. The policies changed a little bit. We removed one policy and we added six new policies and included some employment data and forecasting that we had. SCJ Alliance also helped us with that. Next slide, please. Parks, Recreation, Open Space, and Trails. So this element received considerable public engagement run by the Parks Department, Parks and Arts Commission, and our consultants with SCJ Alliance. It is on the agenda for later this evening for your consideration. It is currently adopted into the comprehensive plan by reference, and we would continue to do the same with this one. Next slide. Very similar with the capital facilities plan. It was workshop with council and it's on tonight's agenda for your consideration. It currently exists in our plan and is adopted by reference and we would propose the same for this update. Questions, comments, and discussion.

Excellent. Thank you, Amy. Are there any questions for Amy regarding the comprehensive plan update?

Councilmember McLennan, were you first? Sorry, Councilmember Ball.

Well, yeah, I have a lot of, yeah, like a lot of questions and comments. So should I just go through them all or?

Let's take one and then we'll see if there's others and then we'll go on.

Okay, okay. I read the whole thing.

Congratulations. That is no small feat. Yeah.

How about the appendices? Why? They did not read the appendices. No, no. Couldn't take it. So it's really a fascinating document. I mean, there was times I was having a good time with it. Then it was time to have an headache, you know? So anyway, that's, that summarizes my two years. Yeah. Yeah. I can imagine. Um, so the, the, um, the climate, uh, chapter four, I'm delighted with, um, I do have some questions. I'm trying to find it here. Some goal 1.4. Oh, this is, um, OK, that's not right. That's where's the sub goals? I don't know. I wrote it down. So whatever sub goal 1.4 is, it's about incentivizing efficiency of streetlights and traffic signals. Is that already like starting like when one light goes out? Are we replacing it with traffic? something more environmentally friendly, for example?

I do not believe that we are currently doing that. It was something that came from our CPAP for us to for the climate policy advisory team for us to look at.

Nobody knows. Okay. But that's something that excites me. I think that would be great. And then goal six of the greenhouse gas part is to maximize tree coverage in surface parking lots. I think that's a great idea also, especially since we're a tree city. And then another one, I think this is sub-goal 7.1, provide education about reducing food waste. Now, who does that and how is that going to happen? Because that's really important. There's too much food being tossed by grocery stores. We agree.

Because this is new, these are all goals that we want to achieve. And so they will be things that we'll kind of have to work on how we're going to do that. Yeah.

Stated goals are eventually backed up with codes, policies, and resolutions. So it's up to us actually now to understand if we've set this as a goal, how can we go about doing it?

Okay. Okay. Let me just finish this chapter, then we can go to Rick. So this was an idea that I had. I kind of posed it to Kyle, but I had another idea. I think that composting, and I know this is, you know, going to be a sticky wicket with waste management, but I think composting should be free. You know, I mean, I know they don't, that you pay for it extra, but then I had an idea. Why could we not, and I don't know if this is your you know, your department or not, but have like depositories put around the city by waste management where you could take your compost. You know, I mean, because it's one of the goals here. And I really do think that should be looked at. And then energy audit of the city, policy 3.9.1, is that going to happen anytime soon?

Repeat that for me.

It's one of our goals is to have an energy audit of the city. Is that going to happen?

So that's something that we can talk about timing and especially with the bringing online of new facilities and the renovation of existing facilities. We don't currently have an energy audit planned, but certainly as we're going through the design of future city hall, we're taking energy efficiency into account with that design. We would do the same thing for this facility when we get to the renovation here. And then with respect to looking at audits of everything else, we could absolutely do that. Again, we don't have that currently scheduled, but we could talk about that.

No, I'm just talking about things that I observed in this document that I'm like, yeah, that's a great idea. Sure. You know, and as it talks about, you know, once like a boiler goes out, then we transition to what he calls things from outside. Some more efficient or energy efficient. Yeah, I can't think of the exact word right now, but it just something more energy efficient. And then there's also something in chapter four about managing forests to to decrease climate exasperated risk of wildfires. So I was happy to see that, too. So that's all I have on that chapter. Oh, then it mentions a resilience hub, suggesting City Hall, and then an evacuation plan. So all of these things are great. I think Chapter 4 is a winner. Excellent. Thank you.

Council Member Klingler. I just have an acronym, OMG. This thing is so good. It really was an interesting read. I did not get every word digested. But thank you guys so much for the hard work and investing two years. of your professional lives in creating the document. I'm more interested in how we maintain the document now that it's created. I mean, obviously you don't wanna spend another two years getting it back up to speed and stuff. Did you guys think about the ease of use and maintenance of this living document and what that's gonna look like and ease of revision and stuff?

So our code actually has, we have an annual cycle for amendments to the, for the development code and the comprehensive plan. So that's actually spelled out in our code how we do that. And generally we do it once a year. We suspended those amendments for the development of this. So we weren't also getting applications to change this as we were trying to update it. But we also include our own updates in that once a year. So if we have changes that are presenting obstacles to us, then we can also update. run this through the process that's outlined in the code to change it on an annual basis.

So you're not envisioning another two-year to try to update it and stuff?

No, we already have people that are excited for 2027 when they can put in an application.

Thank you. So in a time-honored tradition, yeah, an annual, I'd say, amendment cycle applies to both the development code and the comprehensive plan. in which community members, anyone is invited to make a suggestion regarding a proposed amendment. And it's then evaluated and vetted by our planning commission and the city staff in order to proceed. So both the comp plan and the dev code, I'm very familiar with, go through the planning commission for that. Thank you. Summer.

Thank you for all your hard work and for everyone's hard work on this. I hope that as a group, we can reference this as much as possible, specifically by, you know, control F. Just we can go through and find the specific goals and sub goals that go hand in hand with whatever we're bringing up, whether that's in a... in a council discussion or in our specific reports or inquiries, if we can reference those specifically, I think that'd be very helpful. I guess all familiar with that. And then maybe that turns into updates and things like that. But I think that's a good place for it is when we're on topic with those things, finding it in this document and discussing it.

Absolutely. And I can foresee alignment of sections to within the committees would have recently defined just to become aware of or have them available for and reference of. Thanks. Great. Council Member Kurtz.

Two things. The first one I'm excited to hear about or to work on at some point. You've got the goals outlined and then for us or whoever thinks about how we measure those goals, like what ordinances do we need? What code do we need to do? Because tying that all together and then evaluating to see if we hit our marks and what needs to be changed ties into a lot of work that I do outside of here. And I appreciate all the work that went into the document and all the different volunteers who gave their time over the last two years because I think this is a beautiful labor of love. And I am only hung up on one thing and it was the same question that I had at the last meeting was about having the landfill as a open space or a park. because it's on both of the maps. And so can you fill me in on if that will be updated or changed or how that works?

I think Jen was going to speak to that during when she does her parks thing. I believe that our consultant and Lisa had a vision for that moving forward into the future where it could be more active. It's just going to take some time. So there's a vision moving forward with it. But the specifics of that I'm not 100% clear on, so I don't want to speak out of turn.

I learned a little bit today about the covenants and the environmental restrictions about what can and can't be done with it today. I've never looked at that before. But you can't even disturb the soil there because, and it's gated off. So as it as a park or an open space today, it doesn't seem to meet our municipal code definition of an open space. And so that's my only hang up with that one area today. But I think a lot of the ideas and goals that are throughout the whole plan, I'm very excited about.

Great. So, Amy, the state of the document is draft at the moment. Could you give us a sketch of dates or upcoming actions on the way to approving the document?

Yeah, so what I'm hoping that this group is willing to do for us, either today or at a future meeting, is to authorize us to submit this draft document with the formatting errors corrected to the Department of Commerce. They do a 60-day review on that. And during the time that Commerce is reviewing that, we would also start the SEPA review on that. We have to do a SEPA on all of our non-project actions. And so... we would, that would distribute it to all of our local, our regional partners and all of our agencies and anybody that's on our interested parties list. And so then we would kind of open it up for feedback, for comments. And Department of Commerce will absolutely give us feedback and changes, but we'll also get some like feedback probably a few from SRTC. They certify our transportation chapter and then hopefully some from the public as what they'd like to see or not see. But so this would be kind of the first step for us to send it out and say, this is our draft that we're proposing and then receive feedback and then additional changes would happen after that.

So to paraphrase that, a next step would be to submit this draft document to the Department of Commerce for their review, which then could be almost in parallel introduced in its SEPA process to verify that. Correct. So I've heard a round of wonderful, very positive comments about the draft of the comprehensive plan here tonight. Is there any concerns or objections to proceeding to provide this to Commerce for consideration? Without any concerns or objections, Amy, please, if you would, see that the document is presented to Commerce for consideration.

Awesome. Thank you. Do they have some more questions?

Council Member Ball, excuse me, of course. I'm sorry.

Yeah. Well, okay. So Chapter 5, which is not what it's called, but anyway... In one of the policies, it says something about distinctive or historical local character and natural features should be reflected in development design to provide variety within centers. So going back to Saturday's farmer's market, Ralph from the CEC was in there with me. And then... Sue from the library, friends of the library, we all were talking about how it would be kind of cool to incorporate some sort of a theme into town square. And I know this isn't, you know, but what you do necessarily, but this fits in with that and cultural and historical goals and policies are mentioned elsewhere in the document. It would be interesting to see something reflect our history on that piece of land, whether it be the trains used to take the people to the lake. Wouldn't that be fun to get an old train car and put it there? You know, have a restaurant in there. It's just things that I've thought about. But we've got to get, I think, something historical somewhere. We need more little historical things. So I did enjoy that, too. And then, yeah, architectural or cultural areas of interest. Okay, now I'm going forward to housing. We need 55 more rental units for folks making less than 30% of AMI and 175 for those making more than 80% AMI to make current demand. Is that, are we going to be able to do that? Can you say your question one more time for me? It's not page 80. It's in housing. We need 55 more rental units for individuals making less than 30% of AMI. And we need 175 rental units for those making more than 80%. So upper income rentals. Are we going to be able to do that to meet that demand, do you think? Yeah.

That's tough. So what we have to do is make sure that our development code and our comprehensive plan support and allow that to be developed. We won't actually be the ones developing it. So there's a lot of factors outside of our control that would affect whether or not those units actually get built. Our job with this and the development code is to make sure that if somebody wanted to do that, we would not pose an obstacle to that.

Okay. So that's where the development code has to be done next. Correct. Got it. Okay. And then... Oh, it mentions on page 90, it says something about our downtown, and I had to laugh. What downtown?

So we do have a central business district.

Yes, I'm aware.

It is on the map. It is a designated zoning district, and we do have regulations to support that type of development to happen in that location.

Okay. Let's see what else. Oh, a boo-boo. Page 475 of the packet still mentions winter glow. It should be changed to whatever we called it last year. Winter Home for the Holiday Spectacular, or what did we call it?

I'm partial to just removing names entirely because they change and just mention generally, you know, holiday events, community events.

But yeah, it's page 475 of the packet. It says Winter Glow. So I'll make sure that gets added into our changes. Yeah. So those, anyway, those are the main things. I just, you know, things like, but we can talk some other time about other little things, but I just wanted to mention the climate and the historical stuff and little concerns about housing. So thank you, Amy. You guys work really hard. Really hard. Thank you. Okay.

And I appreciate your meticulous review. Thank you for analyzing that. Your questions and your inquiries reflect your level of interest and also the detail that you took. Thank you.

I appreciate that.

Are there any other questions for Amy regarding our comprehensive plan draft? Excellent. Thank you, Amy. That'll conclude the workshop then regarding our comprehensive plan. That moves in our agenda to item number 11, general business as a consent agenda. These items on the agenda are there for our consideration and are to be considered and voted in a group. I would entertain a motion for the general business consent agenda.

I would move to accept the general business consent agenda.

Is there a second?

Second. Second.

Excellent. There is a motion and a second for the consent agenda business items 11A through C. Any discussion? All in favor, say aye.

Aye.

All opposed, nay. With a quick sound check to Hugh Seavers, are you still with us? Just want to make sure. Yes, sir. I'm here. Excellent. Thank you. All right. Our general business consent agenda passes unanimously. That moves us on to general business action items, item number 12. I'll entertain an agenda for 12A. Oh.

Did you make that motion?

No, I'm not going to be making motions here tonight. I'm kind of the runner guy.

Oh, okay. Then I'll make a motion to approve forwarding the 20-year capital facilities plan to the Department of Commerce for their review.

Excellent.

Second.

And with a second from Council Member Fisher. Ben, do you have any observations for us on this one?

So I might suggest amending the motion. This does not have to go to the Department of Commerce.

Oh, oh, oh, I'm sorry. Oh, sorry. I had the comp plan on my mind. Okay, let me amend the motion. Capital facilities plan. Yes. Okay. To approve the capital facilities plan, the 20-year plan for incorporation into comp plan.

So Sean, as a clarification, help us to navigate. I believe we need to amend an existing motion that has been seconded.

Correct.

So Council Member Ball, can she amend her motion? We'll need another Council Member to make an amendment to Council Member Ball's motion. Does that make sense? Council Member Kurtz.

I would motion to amend Council Member Ball's motion to say to approve the 20-year capital facilities plan for incorporation into the City of Liberty Lake Comprehensive Master Plan.

Excellent. And is there a second to the amendment? A second. A second amendment from Council Member Darrell. Any discussion of the amendment? All in favor say aye.

Aye.

All opposed? The amendment is passed unanimously. We're now considering the motion as stated and amended. Is there any discussion related to the now amended motion? Ben, any thoughts or observations? I think we recognize your work to prepare this plan and you've reviewed it with us several times.

So thank you. I think Craig put it best during the public comment period. There's a lot of work to do. We've got this document. Now we've got to start doing the real work is making it happen.

It's true. I would second your perspective that this is saying what we will set out to do, the mechanics of how we will achieve doing that is up to each one of us as we get this together. Excellent. All right. With that, I'll call for a vote. All those in favor, say aye. Aye. All those opposed, nay. The amended motion for 12A moves unanimously. We'll move on to 12B. Is there a motion for 12B?

Make a motion to accept the donation from Edward Jones, Lee Stussy, Mark Rubin, and Curtis Spores in the total amount of $500.

Right on. Is there a second? Second. All right. Council Member Quigler. Event sponsorship and participation from the businesses of the community. I am grateful for everyone that steps forward to say, be a part of this place, especially our local businesses. Are there any other discussions of item 12B? All right, hearing no discussion, I'll call for a vote. All those in favor, 12B, say aye.

Aye.

All those opposed, nay. It passes unanimously, 12B. We're now on to the section, item agenda 13, council comments. Are there any comments or observations from council members about our work tonight? All right, that works. Tonight we have no public hearings or appeals. We have then moving on resolutions. I believe we have an RCO grant application resolution for Pavilion Park playground renovations. Jen.

Or any questions. So this is basically a resolution to approve city staff to move forward with an application for the RCO grant to ask for funding, hopefully win funding for the playground renovation at Pavilion Park. And thank you for asking the question, how much is the potential? We would be asking $500,000. It's a matching $500,000 grant, which would be outstanding and amazing. We have had a technical review a couple of weeks ago with the grant folks and the grant board. It went well and it was my first time doing it. So I'm saying it went well. I felt like it went well. The final review, the final grant presentation is going to be in August. And so that's the end all be all. And then I think they make the selections of the top 20 municipalities or top 20 winning grant presentations around November.

um and then they award in the spring so um yeah with that being said this just allows us to make a statement that you all know we want to move forward and that we are moving forward with the grant excellent awesome thank you questions from the council members about the resolution um remind me jen uh rco do they have a budget and then do they also make their applicants um visible in public public notice once they're all accumulated

What do you mean by that?

Do they summarize who has made requests, grant requests?

Yes, they are. So this year, I think there are right around 50 applicants statewide. And those are all published online. And then what they do is after the final presentations are done, they rank everybody one through 50 or 60. And then later on in the November deadline, timeframe, they'll assign the finances to each of those until the money runs out. So the money goes as far as it can and until it runs out. Great.

Well, I'm really grateful. Grants are in a really important part of trying to bring this together. Participation from RTO especially. So thanks for the work of the staff. All right. I'd entertain a motion for this resolution.

Well, I'll make it. Excellent. Step right up on it. Come on. Well, yes, I think this is a great idea. So I'll make a motion to allow Jen to send it off for the grant application from the RCO, what is it, Recreational Conservation Office.

Thank you.

Excellent.

I'll second that.

And a second from Council Member Fisher. Any more discussion? All right, all in public comment. As a tradition, we call for public comment in the moment of resolution vote. Is there anyone in chamber or online who would like to comment on our resolution?

Pretty quiet out there, Shane?

Fair enough. All right, we'll close the public comment then and call for a vote. All in favor of the resolution to the grant application, please say aye. Aye. And opposed? The ayes have it. It's unanimous. Thank you for your work on the resolution and the application, Jen. That brings us then to the next section, ordinances, Ordinance 219A. I'd entertain a motion for Ordinance 219A.

And Shane, is Jen Dial online?

She is, and she and Sarah are here.

Perfect. So we have SCJ Alliance online tonight to help answer any questions, especially the one that you had asked about the property.

Jen, if I could interrupt. In tradition, we begin with the reading of the ordinance. Rochelle, if you could recite the ordinance for us, please.

Thank you, Mayor Pro Tem. Ordinance 219A, an ordinance of the City of Liberty Lake, Washington, repealing Ordinance 219, updating the Parks, Recreation, Open Space, and Trails Plan.

Thank you, Rochelle. Please, Jen, go on.

Um, okay. So I did speak with Jen, um, asking the question that you had asked of me and essentially. I'm reading the note that I have here. The space is not actively used in a way that aligns with its, you've commented that doesn't align with its official designation, but it has been zoned open space by the city for a while to protect it from other future conflicting uses. The cities often designate parcels with this zoning to preserve it for the future, even if the current development or programming doesn't reflect its intended use. So I think there's a recurring theme with the parks plan. And what that recurring theme is, it's a plan for the next number of outlying years to identify what could be done, what the potential is for these open space areas around the city. It doesn't mean that that's going to happen. It's no different than the gun club property. Right. It really isn't any different other than it's a different situation, but it's, it's been, what do you call it? Repurposed or yeah. And so has that old garbage dump. It's been repurposed. It's sitting, it's got to, it's got to do its thing over a certain period of time. No, we wouldn't put a park on it tomorrow. Would we put a park on it in 20 years? I don't know, but it is outlined in the parks plan in case that potential ever came down the line.

Okay.

So. And in order to do that, we need the support of that in the parks plan. So it doesn't mean we're going to, it's the potential. So potential is the key word. It's the boot. Yeah, it's the boot. But it's been capped, right? Yeah. You're asking the wrong person what's been done up there. As I understand it, yes. And as I understand it from some conversation, it has to sit for a certain period of time. And over that period of time, the gases dissipate from what I understand, but I'm not the expert in that department.

By all means, it sounds like Councilman Kurtz, you read some interesting materials regarding it. Share if you can.

Well, they do an annual report, Spokane County, with the levels of all the things that are in there, including the gases and some of the toxins like arsenic that are there. I learned about the... This is just from reading, so I didn't talk to anybody, but that there are covenants, environmental covenants that run with the land. The last one was filed in 2010. So they're protected from the Department of Ecology from... The two that I noticed were any disruption of the soil. And then I'm trying to think what the other one was. The covenants also talk about restriction of use. So that's why it's padlocked. There's only authorized personnel can be out there. It's like the Area 51 in Liberty Lake. But I didn't read or learn anywhere about how long that lasts or when the next one would be considered. I saw a lot of reports and a lot of data that I don't know what it means. Yeah.

And I'm with you. I don't fully understand it myself, but what I did take away is that there could be potential to use it someday. I know that in the discussions we had prior with CVSD on any collaborative potentials that the old gun club property might be, We had the same conversation. If there were to be a park, we can't dig down. So you could maybe plant trees. I think it's three feet. Three feet is as deep as you can go. You can't disturb the soil. You can't anchor, you know, light posts and I don't know, nets and things like that that require deep footings. Right. So, you know, we would be looking at a similar situation, just different, but similar. You just work around it.

So I appreciate the follow-up and knowing that it's not like we think that people could use that today, like misunderstanding about it, but sometime in the future, that makes me feel better. Thank you.

Well, and if I can offer, I think the key to understand the reason why this has been preserved in exists in the final version of the plan is because it's entirely possible that nothing ever gets recommended for use there. But the fact that it remains designated as as open space has some value. And so that's what's being designated here so that it contributes toward the overall level of service that we've identified. And so there is no active plan to develop that into anything other than what it currently is. And if that is what it remains, according to this plan, that's okay because we still get to use it in a calculation that focuses on our level of service. And so that's I think the an important piece of this that maybe wasn't communicated when the question was initially asked. We're not including it in here so that we may develop it. We're including it in here so that we can factor it into a discussion about our overall level of service.

Can I?

Please.

And I think my question regarding the level of service was that because it's inaccessible, there's not a the community is not particularly served by it. Like it's not an open space that we could go bike on or we could walk a dog on or do anything like that. So when we're talking about open spaces that residents can use and enjoy and recreate on, this is not one of them, but I understand how it adds to a level of service, but I don't, it didn't feel like it was a fair assessment in that, from my perspective anyway of, because we can't use it today. Sure.

If I could offer to paraphrase Mark for me, the city will never need to commit to resources to permit construction on that property. The city will never need to arrange for pavements and roads or licensed infrastructure on that property. It will remain or is open space. And so we don't have a commitment to provide those services. That's how I've interpreted it.

That's a different thing that makes me think about it differently. So thank you for saying that.

Okay. Council Member Klingler.

Yeah, along with Council Member Annie. It's okay, because I'm blanking on your last name. Anyway, adding it into the numbers seems like it falsely inflates how we meet our level of service. Like it's a possibility, but it's not really a possibility. So are we... Do we have an eye towards sending aside other pieces of land and other common use to meet that level of service as our population continues to grow or will that continue to impact the numbers overall? Does that make sense?

Kind of. Jen, did you hear that?

I sure did. Can you guys hear me okay? Yes.

Yes.

Okay. Good evening, council members. My name is Jen Dial, and I was the project manager from SCJ Alliance helping with the Parks Master Plan. And so I'd be happy to give a little more context and input around the designation of open space for this particular property. That was a designation that existed prior to the Parks Master Plan update, and we did We did look at that and felt that it was still the most appropriate land use designation because there are other goals in the Parks and Master Plan that are actually pretty well aligned with this particular designation. And those goals are related to preserving and protecting the natural environment. providing valuable view sheds to nearby neighbors and just the kind of peaceful experience that being near natural spaces provides people. So those are some additional goals related to open space that aren't maybe necessarily the first thing you would think of when you think about parks and recreation. It's more of that passive kind of an experience that protecting a place like that can provide. And to get to the question about the level of service, the Parks Plan established a level of service standard for each park classification. So those spaces that are actively programmed with active recreation have a certain level of service, and open space has its own. And they're the open space level of service is not intended to necessarily provide those recreational amenities and facilities as perhaps like Pavilion Park would. So this space, in addition to the other open space designations, we felt met a sufficient amount of providing protection to the natural environment, view shed, and access to just natural spaces for the public. I can clarify any of that if there's questions, but that was I was trying to address kind of a few things that I've heard in the discussion.

Yeah, I was mixing up maybe the designation nomenclature of the open spaces versus level of service and how we grow with the population growth to make sure that we're providing that to the community. So I appreciate that clarification.

Yeah, the current level of service for open space was satisfactorily met with the amount of open space designated in the parks plan.

Great. Council Member Kurtz.

And thank you for using words that I haven't considered before as viewshed. And then just the idea of having just that blank space to be next, the passive use of nature versus the active use, which is a different way to think about the space. So thank you for that.

Great. Ben, can you come up to the podium for one second? I want to ask Ben to clarify to Councilmember Klingler's question. We had some discussion about a potential future park that was included in the 20-year capital facilities plan. So would you remind the Council what that discussion was and where that may reside in the plan?

So we included in the capital facilities plan because it was included as a proposal in the parks master plan. So it basically asked for basically, I think it was a five acre park somewhere in the, I guess that'd be the Southwest core quadrant of the city, which is gun club basically, because that's like an underserved area. Obviously the city does not own that, any property over there right now. So I think to your question, we would need to purchase additional land to provide that service.

So that would be 1 strategy for making up that level of service in an active, uh. Park space, uh, that doesn't currently exist in our inventory.

And it could be a joint partnership with, you know, what has planned for that site as well. Um, because I think they've got a little bit more land than they're they need for their. Kind of future plans, but that obviously could change as growth happens.

Absolutely. I just represent the partnerships that we've had with Central Valley Schools, specifically supporting the ball fields we enjoy between the elementary schools is a great example of how we could work together to then arrange for what could be a strategic property in that area. So Council Member Ball.

So who owns the deed to that property, to the old landfill? Is it the county? Yeah, county. Okay. So the old gun club property and that property, I mean, They're both, they've both been remediated, right? So, but isn't CVSD have some sites on building? I mean, does that property have to sit for a long time too?

I don't know. I don't know the details of the remediation on that. Do you know? Do you, Ben?

So, I mean, they were remediated a little bit differently. So the property on the hill, that was a county dump.

Right.

The gun club had lead that was removed and then positioned to the far corner kind of off of Country Vista. So all of that soil has been remediated to one area. And that's really the area where Jen had mentioned you can't plant trees and there's a cap on it. But the rest of the site, where the actual gun club, you know, the shooting range was, it's got far more opportunity to develop.

Wow. Great. Are there any more questions or clarifications for ordinance 219A? All right. We've had a reading of the ordinance. I would entertain a motion for ordinance 219A.

I'll make a motion to approve ordinance 219A.

Is there a second?

Second.

Excellent. Is there any further discussion on ordinance 219A? All right. I'll call for votes. All those in favor, excuse me. As tradition, citizen comment. Is there anyone in chambers tonight or online who would like to comment on 219A? Pretty quiet out there, Shane? Right on. All right. With that, we'll go for a vote. All those in favor of 219A, please say aye.

Aye.

All those opposed? Aye. It passes unanimously. Thank you for the work on the parks plan, Jen. Excellent. All right, that in our agenda brings us to emergency ordinances of which tonight there are none. The introduction of upcoming agenda items. Mark, could you lead us through that?

Sure. There is an attachment to your agenda that is titled City Council Workshops. And so if you'll take a look at that, we've got a couple of items that are scheduled for the June 2nd City Council meeting, one of which is the Transportation Improvement Plan. And that is an annual conversation that we bring before you to talk about. the six-year transportation improvement plan that is a function, essentially, of the capital facilities plan. It has some other uses as well. And then we also will talk to you about MOU with the hub that Kyle will walk you through. So looking downstream of that, based on the progress that we made at the special meeting last week, we believe that if we schedule a workshop for June 16th to resume discussion about the governance manual and see where we get our, our presumption is, is that we can, uh, finish that review without calling another special meeting. And so we assume that once we get through the 16th, if we have any chapters to review, they will be few and we can do them in another workshop. Assuming that the council agrees with that assumption, we'll keep that workshop scheduled for June 16th. I'm seeing nodding heads, so we'll go with that. And then everything else is downstream of that. And a lot of them are to be determined based on some other thing. And we'll keep you updated as we meet at the next regular meeting on these future workshops.

Right on. Great. Thank you for the introduction to our upcoming agenda. That brings us in our agenda to the last section of citizen comment. Is there anyone in chamber or online who would like to comment?

Nobody online.

Still quiet online. All right. The last item on our agenda is an executive session per RCW 423110. An estimated time for this one, Sean?

I'll say 10 minutes.

10 minutes. All right. With that, I'll recognize about 7.58. We will return at about 10 after 7 with no action.

10 after 8.

10 after 8. Pardon me. In a time machine. All right. We'll return about 10 after 8 with no actions. All right. The City Council of Liberty Lake has resumed from an executive session per RCW 42.30.110 related to litigation. No decisions were made. So there is no additional action on our agenda at that. I will call our meeting adjourned. Have a good night.