City Council - Regular Meeting

the council will come to order. Counselors, our first order of business is the pledge of allegiance. If you'd please stand and join with us in reciting our pledge of allegiance. Ice flag of the United States of America and to the stands nation indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Well, thank you council and uh others for joining us at tonight's meeting. Um Jennifer, I think before we go too far, I'm going to let you introduce our special guest tonight and then we'll get on with citizen comments, please.

Thank you, Mayor Jennifer Tangano, city attorney. I'm going to let Annabelle introduce herself. Um sorry. Hello. My name is Annabelle Bodun. I am a second year at the University of Idaho College of Law and I just she's my mentor. So I wanted to she invited me very graciously invited me here to observe how her like day in the life is and so I really wanted to see what one of the uh council meetings was like. So thank you so much for having me. Welcome.

Well, welcome. And for the record uh Elaine and others uh we really work hard to try to find municipal attorneys and they're very hard to get. And so, uh, we have a friend with us here tonight. So, uh, maybe someday you'll find yourself in this position. I'm sure Jennifer will tell you it's a very rewarding job. It's a very diverse job sometimes. Yeah, it it it can be fun and other things, but uh, anyway, welcome. We're glad you're here. Thank you. Thank you so much.

Our next order of business is citizen comments. This is an opportunity for individuals wishing to comment on agenda items or other matters they wish to bring to the council's attention, excluding those scheduled for a public hearing. As there may not be another opportunity to comment once an agenda item is addressed, individuals are encouraged to speak at this time. Individuals are encouraged to discuss operational issues in advance with the mayor. In consideration of others wishing to speak, commentary is limited to three minutes. also if your city council pledges to practice and promote civility within the governing body, correcting others from their viewpoints and finding solutions for the betterment of the city. So with that, I will open it up for citizen comments. If you have citizen comments tonight, there's a microphone in the middle of the floor. We just need your name and city of residents. We don't need your physical address. And please remember to speak up so those listening at home can hear what you have to say. Uh, counselor, have we heard? Tony, did you hear?

What was that? Have we heard from our counselor? Councelor my um yes, he has an excused absence tonight. Okay, so councelor my has an excused absence tonight. Okay, thank you. With that, if there are any citizen comments, uh, welcome. Okay, we'll move past that [clears throat] and move right on to presentations. Roman number four, item eight, Valley Vision quarterly progress report. Receiving a quarterly progress report on the accomplishments and activities of Valley Vision from President CEO Jerry Chavez. Jerry, uh, welcome. Please introduce yourself for the record and the floor is yours. Thank you.

Thank you very much, Mayor Johnson and city council members. My name is Jerry. Last name is Chavez. I am the president CEO for Valley Visions. And can you hear me? Perfect. You can always speak a little bit louder. Speak a little bit louder. I I don't know which mic. Where's the mic at? So, you're good. Right there. Yeah, right here. Very good.

So, as I said before, it's always a pleasure to be in front of city council to talk about Valley Vision, our accomplishments. But before I uh go into the meat and potatoes of the presentation, I want to go ahead and acknowledge two board members that I have in the audience today that are here to support and uh maybe answer any questions that I can't field from the council. One of those being our old historian, not old, but our historian Butch Alfred with the Tribune and Mike uh TCO with the Vista. So, welcome Butch and Mike. Thank you. Thank you.

I also want to recognize that um we've had a change of um uh as a as it as it uh reflects to changes within council members every year, every couple years. We do have representation from the city city and on our board and uh this year uh John Spookmire has come on to serve as your representative to our board and we appreciate that. So, I'll begin by giving you an update. And uh the numbers always speak for themselves and everybody's always uh wondering what have we done lately. That's whether we're here in Lewon or what my 30-year career [clears throat] in economic development. But I go to the numbers. I rely on data quite a bit. Uh this kind of gives you a snapshot of why industry is important to the valley. And what you see here are a bunch of bubbles, right? But more importantly you see uh earnings for manufacturing, government and healthcare. And below that in the blue bubbles you'll see employment FTEEs within those particular sectors. Look at the earnings and those and that is in uh thousands of dollars. So that's $1.04 billion dollar of payroll that's coming into this economy and uh with 5,300 employees. Government is $430 million. employment for that is about 5.5K. Uh and these are numbers that come from uh our US Bureau of Economic Analysis reporting of 2023 2024 and Andrea in our office updates those probably on a quarterly basis if you will. If you use a rule of thumb, which we do, for every dollar of industry that goes into the economy, there's another 50 cents that goes to support that dollar. And services, whether that be groceries,

selling vehicles, hotels, restaurants, and that sort of stuff. So, you add that to that number and you can see that's a big number. It's $1.5 billion that industry represents into this economy. Having said that, go ahead and stop me at any time. I'm going to roll through this fairly quickly because there's a lot of information. I'm going to hand you some information so you can review a little bit later on uh by yourselves. But [clears throat] when we look at our contract between Valley Vision and the city, we do not report nor do we commit to landing or to making announcements or helping companies come to the belly. That's a windfall, if you will, of all the other work that goes into business attraction. So, by the numbers, Cascade Plastic just announced last uh July $10 million capex building about 36,000 square feet. It's actually under construction in North Lewon. They'll create about 30 FTEEs and a payroll of about $2.8 million. Once again, you do the rule of thumb, 50 cents per per dollar. That goes you do the math behind that, that equates to about $4.2 million. We all know that in 2023 Northwest Forslide announced and the numbers are respectfully uh in front of you. But I call your attention to in uh about uh three years there's 8 uh 7 billion million dollars of new money coming into this economy. We rely heavily on trying to prospect. We go out in the marketplace to try to find Cascade Plastics and try to find Northwest Force. You can see where we go on an annualized basis. You can see the numbers or meetings that we've had. And

you can see that when we conduct a prospecting mission, we're not doing that visa via phone, visa v teleconference. We actually go to a location whether that is in Boxar, California and meet with a company on their home turf, share some information on on relatively uh what is the cost of doing business. That's what we actually are selling at the end of the day. We're trying to call their attention. Cost of doing business in the valley is relatively much lower in the markets that we're trying to prospect. So yeah, I won't go spend too much more time other to other than to say we'll be in Canada, California, Washington, Oregon here very shortly. There's a little bit of a lull over the holidays as you can imagine. Nobody wants to entertain anybody but their friends and their colleagues over uh uh Christmas and uh and New Year celebration. They don't want to turn entertain somebody in the economic development field. Um uh the other thing I will share with you is the impact that tariffs has had in the marketplace. You can see the numbers. It's a little bit tougher today to get out and go out and try to organize that particular meeting. We don't do that. We hire a consultant to that particular piece of work for us. But you can see our projects. We're in the midst of uh trying to negotiate three deals. You see the my hot list reference. We scrub out the project name. You can see the location. You can see it per say cal on the right hand side California 3. That lead came from our third trip to Cal to Canada. So site tours that are being proposed are right below that. I I'll go in more depth if you have some questions regarding that. But I want to move into uh what we call bear

another part of the business that vision does be [clears throat] program.

Give them the city clerk please and she'll hand them out cherry. Thank you. It's a little bit I want you to have that so you can get a little bit more information relative to what our industry partners are saying in the marketplace. So our bear is actually a process where we interview our industry partners, go on site, conduct an interview. We have 77 questions to try to find information. What is it like to do business in the valley so to speak of those we see achievements we see expansion plans workforce ability and quality I'm going over the lefth hand side key findings training development community strengths weaknesses and barriers to growth conversely we come up with recommendations based upon this information and within the recommendations address workforce challenges enhance technology infrastructure visav to be broadband expansion, streamline the regulatory process, support infrastructure development. Once again, infrastructure is very important. Extending water, sewer, storm water is very important for development going forward. Uh want to give the city a acknowledge that in the past you've tried to do that in the downtown area. That's very important to continue to try to do that. Hopefully we will be successful at some point going point forward. Uh continue to foster community involvement and collaboration and we took this one step further. We actually came up with city of Lewon recommendations. You've heard me talk about this before. I won't go through

all of them other than to say some of our of our developers in the valley may have been critical on the development process. Dolly Vision went in to interview try to find out what was actually the crux of some of these complaints and we came up with a list of recommendations pass those recommendations on to community development and to the mayor and I can uh tell you that as a result of those recommendations we've seen some improvement actually seen a U developer satisfaction survey come out of that and I've been associated with two projects where we've seen uh very positive results as a matter of working together and tried to uh be very business friendly to our business community. So with that being said, I would entertain any questions that you might have.

Thank you, Jerry. Counselors, questions. Councelor Wright, thank you. So this is probably more on the bare side. Seal is building a facility in in Moscow. Y um have you looked into that at all or is that something Valley Vision does kind of a afteraction report of why they pick Moscow not Lewon type?

You know there's a whole reasons why a company will pick location versus another location. Our office was not engaged. We try to go out and understand what it is in where our companies are moving in the in the market and when they're moving. Uh we had some intelligence that they're moving but uh not able to have that door open to engage in those conversations.

Gotcha. But I can tell you that because of our bear program, we understood that uh CCI Spear was entertaining an expansion. As as you can see, a result of that was uh the Cascade Plastics relocate or expansion from other states. Councelor Spickle. Thank you, Mayor. Um so Jerry back on your slide for the business attraction plan um you mentioned that um Valley Vision hires a consultant to do that. Can you explain that process of how what the consultant does?

Yeah sure. So um we hire a consultant that does prospecting activities for us. nutshell what they are responsible for for is setting up meetings one on one basis based upon the type of companies we're looking for the size of the companies we're looking for and some of those parameters we call these filters in this industry so we put out those filters to our consultant and they try to find companies in our particular loca uh uhh markets that we're trying to prospect in once again that's California the western side of Oregon, western side of sea of Washington, Canada, Arizona, and then even in Mexico. So that's where they're looking for these companies. Uh they understand which companies are expanding through their intelligence, and it's more of a matchmaking process, if you will, uh council member. So uh when we go to a Southern California trip, they will organize upwards of about 10 meetings. So, when I'm going down there, I'm trying to leverage uh and cover as much ground as possible given some um given the distances and whatnot that uh uh they can have me all over the southern part of California trying to meet with these companies, but basically they are my um my matchmaking consultant. Uh they have a lot of infrastructure underneath them. We can't replicate that infrastructure at Valley Vision.

Does that make sense? Yeah, sir. So, Jerry, then with that is um are these consultants are they a big part of your Valley Vision's budget or big impact to you

per contract? It's about $40,000 and $40,000 will result in about 35 meetings upwards of 35 depending on how we can negotiate that'll be as low as 28 meetings. So for any given contract, we're out in the marketplace about trying to meet with about 28 companies. of that we should produce somewhere in the neighborhood of about five sight tours or 5% of those should produce [clears throat] 5% of that 30 35 28 whatever number it shakes out to be that should come back to us in terms of a type that would be a company coming from a Oxnor California to the valley to try to uh understand specifically what are those uh u advantages you can see them on paper you can hear me talk about them but it's more important when they boots on the ground to visit with Vista uh to understand what the infrastructure is like and what the cost of of that utility particularly is. That make sense?

Y thank you, Councelor Forsman. So obviously on the slides I saw that you identified tariffs. I'm sure that's causing uh companies to think and uh think ahead. I'm wondering with the recent Supreme Court uh decision last week that uh President Donald Trump doesn't have the authority to impose those duties under national security law. Have you heard or do you feel like that's going to affect anything?

Um member Forceman, it's it's hard to predict what that looks like. you if you can remember in the summer with the tariff conversation, it was across the board and and and the fallout and the conversation really didn't grab until a little bit later on. So, we're hopeful that it will free itself up. We're hopeful that some of those companies that push back a little bit in terms of their plans because of tariffs are going to step forward.

Councelor Splammer Meer. Thank you, Merritt. So, kind of off of this list, I know, Jerry, but um at the last board meeting, we talked to about um some of the impacts to this and industrial building sites in Lon now, and I know that's a an issue. Is it due to zoning or just due to land?

It's a little bit of combination of both, if you will. So we don't have any industrial buildings in our region that is a particular um uh focus for the companies that we're looking at and that's typically about 50,000 square feet maybe 75 square uh 50,000 square feet 75,000 square feet or above. Uh we do have a lot of uh big empty storefronts, if you will, but there's a big difference between a a once upon a time Kmart lo a industrial user may use. Uh that building was built for and to support retail or commercial, if you will. industry requires a lot bigger infrastructure, thicker floors, beefier uh um switch gears for the electric, higher ceilings so they can store stuff like that. So um with regards to that, we're moving forward with a task force, property task force to investigate what are the next steps. We've identified inventory. Right now, we're going to look at what size of in inventory is missing in the marketplace and then even get to a a a point where we can fasttrack buildings of a 40,000 ft, 50,000 ft, 75,000 square feet. That way we can go and and shorten that that time to development when we're talking to these particular clients. What I didn't also mention was those uh other things that Valley Vision is involved in. As a result of that, we stood up a 50c3 nonforprofit uh to be the development arm for Belly Vision. So, Belly Vision or the C6 as we refer to it in our office is sales and marketing.

And then the C3 uh which will actually be the development arm of the of Valley Vision. you'll see uh several projects that are coming in the um not too distant future that will uh make it very apparent of why we're doing or why we've set up in that particular uh lane uh with regards to staying at that uh C3. Quick questions. So, thank you.

Gary, I don't see any further questions. Thank you for being here with us tonight and uh Butcher and Mike for joining us. Also, thank you for supporting. City Council Clerk Rocky will distribute the report to the council here in a bit. Yeah. Council, next we'll move to Roman five, public hearings and related action items. [clears throat] Item eight, continuation of public hearing on ordinance 4956, accepting public comments on ordinance 4956 relating to the amendment of the city's franchise agreement with Senator Disposal Incorporated doing business as Sunshine Disposal and Recycling. This is an action item and um before we get into that um I will open the public hearing. We'll have a staff presentation from our public works director, Dustin Johnson. Then a presentation from Sunshine Disposal and Recycling, and then we'll accept any testimony from the public. No additional evidence or testimony may be received once the public hearing is closed. So this is and that will be the time to ask any questions you might have, council. So I would encourage you to do that. Then I will close the public hearing. So with that, uh, council, I will open the public hearing 6:23 and turn it over to our public works director, Dustin Johnson. Welcome, director.

Good evening, mayor, city council. Dustin Johnson, public works director. Uh, I don't, this is just a for for reference if we need it tonight, the presentation I provided the first time we opened up this public hearing. So, I have no real additional information tonight other than there was one, this is just housekeeping. Uh if you remember during the discussion there was uh an eagleeye reviewer were caught that the PPI index number that was referenced in the ordinance did not match the exhibit. We've gotten to the bottom of that and the one that's in the ordinance is correct. The one that's in the uh exhibit is short of number two at the end. So we will make sure that those two figures match uh before it's adopted. Uh and so with that, I don't I don't like I said, I don't have additional information before you within your packet was everything that you considered previously and then uh the there was a couple pages that uh Sunshine Disposal provided for additional context to answer some of the questions that received from council uh last time we t discussed this. So with that, I'm going to hand it over to Brian who will kind of walk you through a little bit more in specifics and then we'll all be here to answer any questions.

Thank you, director. Brian, welcome. if you'd please introduce yourself for the record. Remember to speak up loudly and clearly. The floor is yours. Thank you.

Thank you, mayor. Good evening, mayor, members of the council. My name is Brian Cottington. I'm with Sunshine Disposal and Recycling. I'll also be brief tonight. I'm going to just go over the highlights in the letter that we submitted in response to the questions that you had the last time we were before you a couple of weeks ago. We tried to be um as responsive as possible and provide a broader context to the conversation that we had last time. Um beginning with kind of what brought us to this point. So, we there was a question last time regarding the the totality of of the question of the ask that we have before you tonight. That came out of a mutual discussion and desire out of the council and staff to be able to identify other additional minor changes that that um could be addressed as part of the opening up of the the franchise agreement at this point in time. So, that's why you see some additional items beyond the uh the data that we provided tonight. The data points I think are the the pieces of information really want to dive into that those were the central point of question last time as we talked about this. So we tried to to provide you with a little bit of industrywide impact, a little bit of a experience and then some context within the community. So flipping to the the figures um the three different graphs. The first graph is a um discussion about the difference in the chain CPI. So industry. So currently we have a change CPI indicy that we use to calculate rate adjustments on an annual basis. We are requesting um that we move to a PPI solidways PPI indicy. This represents the difference between the two um over the last several years. So we we began with FY2020 because we thought relevant to the conversation. This is a request for force the force majour um section of the contract related to impact to the the pandemic. So going back to information pre- pandemic and then speaking moving forward to the current situation would be most relevant and helpful to uh the conversation. So, as you can see, um,

our our costs have gone up somewhere in the about approach of 25%. Our ask here and and the the data that we put before you demonstrates that we're asking for something less than our actual cost. And that's that's a [clears throat] intentional on our part and after discussion with staff to be able to uh recognize and acknowledge the uh impact that the pandemic had on everyone in the community, not just uh not just us. So, we're asking for consideration related to the industry. Um, secondarily, our operating costs, the question was specifically to demonstrate uh the impact on our operating cost. And so, I think the mayor had made the suggestion about looking at carts. We tried to provide you with a a broad range of most impactful um items in operating costs to give you an idea of of what um we were looking at. So, residential trucks we talked about last time. uh threeyard dumpster as an example, tires, medical uh um costs, driver costs, our employee costs um and then the cards and then to give you an average of those different um different items. Lastly, we try to put then put that into context of the conversations we've had with other communities. Um this has been going on in both North Idaho and um eastern Washington, but for comparison purposes, we we um demonstrated or we should we put for you tonight the comparison to North Idaho communities. So both uh Lat County and Esper County and what the experience has been in those two two areas to give you a frame of reference and and you'll see that you're the request that we're making of the the council tonight is right in line with those other uh communities and the the cost impacts that we've experienced in and shared with those communities. So with that I I will leave it there and uh we'll be prepared to answer any questions you might have tonight.

Thank you Brian Council questions for Mr. Cington.

I'll ask your question. Um, okay. We still need to hear from the public if we have any, but councelor Klein, I was just wondering uh why why can't people opt out of a certain service like uh waste or or yard waste or um recycling? Um those are believe those are uh decisions that are made by policy at the council level. Um and those so we we enact or we provide the service based upon the council's requested service level. That make sense?

Yes. I believe um introduce yourself. Sorry. Dustin Johnson. uh public works. I I was not written I think that's written into the franchise um contract that that's bundled together. That was written before I got here. So, I'm not I can look into that, but I'm not sure. I'm assuming it was part of the the franchising contract when it was drafted six years ago. I think [laughter] um I mean just from my historical perspective too, director, um I think it would be very difficult to bid these contracts if you didn't know how many customers you're going to have. It would be very difficult for the contract companies to give you a fair price because you just don't know where your revenue is going to be.

Yeah. I mean there's I mean talk we can talk about the experts about um sanitation and collection and disposal and and talk about flow control and and it's exactly that when you're bidding out a job you need a a a certain volume to be guaranteed. Um it's obviously that's that's that can be you challenging when you're talking about recycling yard waste and um you know garbage collection. So, I I I'm not going to say what was what was the conversation six years ago because I wasn't in the room, but that's generally how a lot of these contracts go um when you're negotiating with collection or even disposal.

Counselor Splier. [clears throat] Um, so Brian, I'm just curious, you know, looking through these things and last meetings, the discussions, um, it sounded to me like when you guys first identified that you were falling behind on your profits or what, however way you want to put it, was it because you found this PPI, this this index that was so far off from the the chains PPI or because it's almost exact. um the the change you're wanting the 18.5% and I think if you did the comparison it ended up being 19.5 or something.

Yeah. Yeah. So a couple of factors here at play. The first thing we look at is our operating costs. So that's where the 25% number comes in. So that's that's where we're falling behind in terms of operating costs. As we've looked at um what imp impacts those operating costs and how we make sure the contract continues to perform at a service level. So it's acceptable to the the council and the community. We do look at other experiences that we have and the more common industry that that is being used is the solid waste industry indicy. That's because it it most accurately represents changes to the industry. So for example, the change CPI may or may not have uh look at trucks the same way for as an example as the the solid waste industry um PPI does. as you look across the expenses that we've outlined here, trucks are obviously a large expense in terms of um of cost of providing service to the community. And so then as we look back, you'll recall that our initial request was for 18 and a half% plus the the um annual CPI adjustment uh for the year. In conversation with staff and and going back and forth a little bit, we settled on the 18.5% inclusive of that u 4 and a.5% or so CPI adjustment. So rather than stacking on top, we we included that u as part of that request. follow up counselor. So I guess with that um I kind of have to trying to understand this that from day one when the contract was written, we're going to try to correct it to day one the way the contract that you agreed to right. You agreed to the original contract using that index. We did in the contract. So the contract dates back a number of years. we had an a change in the structure of it. So it

went from a contract structure to a franchise structure. Um at that point in time there was not an opportunity to to um review the CPI PPI discussion. So we are requesting based upon the current situation because typically over the course of 30 years CPI is fairly predictable. you have in in in contract language and apologies for using contract and franchise franchise agreement. You have um an ability to to come back for unforeseen circumstances in this case specifically disease and that's why we're making requests. I guess to me um there there's a lot of people with contracts that would like to go back and correct what happened in the original contracts and get paid for the difference that the error. I mean we I don't really understand us catching you catching up with what you feel we owe you and when there's a contract in place. I just don't I don't follow it myself. So

yeah, I think we're trying to adjust the the language in the the franchise agreement that specifically outlines unforeseen circumstances and and those are very um specific and and highlighted in the contract and one of them is disease and something that that we you experience is a one in aundred year occurrence. I think the last pandemic was approximately 100 years ago. So the language it can't be perfect every time but it does try to anticipate some unforeseen circumstances and in this case we're talking about the pandemic that occurred. I could completely agree with changing the index to what it should be. Um I could support that 100%. Um, councelor Spickle Meer, uh, this is Jennifer Tangano, city attorney. I just wanted to note too to your comment, um, and question in that in the franchise agreement on page nine under section 4.4C, 4 C it does explicitly state any changes in franchisees cost of operation whether or not beyond franchises control shall be the sole responsibility of franchisee and not shall not be grounds to amend or terminate this agreement except as otherwise provided in this agreement. So um again I wasn't also I was not involved in the negotiations of this particular franchise agreement so I don't know anything related to what was or was not negotiated but I mean there is an express provision that provides for the cost of operations in the agreement itself where um sunshine is requesting an amendment under the force majour clause. Um that provision does require them to show through documentation that um they that that

this is you know an event of force majour and it's at the council's discretion to consider whether or not they have done so under that section and that's section 10.11. Yeah, thank you. Mr. Forceman,

um I know at our last meeting we kind of talked about looking at maybe like operating income or some kind of um breakdown of actual dollars and how it's affected and I know Jennifer Tangano mentioned that it could be a non does not have to be public record because obviously you have concerns with uh competitors. I'm just curious why we didn't go that route or what the concern was there.

But we we try to be responsive to to the request that we got which was to compare cards and like you said we tried to be broader beyond that. Um we do have some concerns with public records and we do have some concerns with um the ability to shield public record even through the the um the process of sharing with the city attorney. Nice question to Jennifer. Um is so to that comment with the concerns of it still being able to get some public request records or or getting out that information getting out is that is that a possibility going to that route where their information could get out even sharing through the avenue that you mentioned and forgive me for not remembering the um so under the Idaho Public Records Act um information that's considered a trade secret is exempt from public disclosure. The main caveat the city has is that the person supplying the information has to identify that it is a trade secret and provide a justification for it. Traditionally under Idaho case law prices are not a trade secret. So the price of something itself um unless the price is a part of a formula in which case there is the potential to um not provide that but um without knowing the information that's to be supplied um you know we wouldn't know whether or not it would be a trade secret or not. followup council forman.

Uh so for example um a operating income report or an EBIT PA would that be something that would not be under trade or would be under trade secrets or is that still not enough information to that's still not enough information. it, you know, there are cost reports that are provided for public consumption like to um uh investors or um people that you know there's public disclosures that companies make. So without knowing more specifics, you know, I wouldn't be able to comment under the public records law. We're required to give every document an individual look. So we couldn't just provide a blanket exception just on the assumption that it's a trade secret. We'd have to be able to put our eyes on it and make a determination. And then if there were any questions, we would discuss with the provider of the information to have them provide a justification about whether they believe it is or is not a trade secret. And now once that information is provided and say it's determined that it's not a trade secret, is that information now public record? Because now like they kind of let the cat out of the bag. There's no putting it back because it was deemed public record. Um, well, to the extent that they have that question initially, I would probably not have them submit anything and just have them present it for like an in-person review first and then if it is, then they can provide it to the city as a part of an application or other materials. But I mean just because they have the information doesn't mean that they have to send it to the city or that we accept it unless they're confident to that it is going to be protected but to my knowledge there was no meeting of that nature.

Okay. So I guess counselor to your concern was that cons is that the concern is that it's not going to be under those guidelines? I'm assuming maybe you guys looked into that or that is our concern that it it may not meet the guidelines for production. Thank you,

Brian. Let's see if there are any citizen comments here and you can always come back up if you need to and then we would give others a chance to respond. Are there any citizen comments tonight? Right here. Yeah. Thank you, Dave. And then introduce yourself for the record, please. The floor is yours. You'll have three minutes. Uh my name is Brandon Johnson. Uh thank you, Mayor, Council. I appreciate the time and the work that's gone into reviewing this request. Um my comments are not about opposing a business, but about ensuring that we are making the most informed and financially responsible. I ask you to speak up a little bit more. Yeah, we want to hear you.

Okay. Um about uh making the most informed and financially responsible decision for Lewon rateayers. Um, my first question relates to the basis of the cost increase shown in figure two of Sunshine's letter dated the 13th. I understand that not all materials may be included in the public packet. So, I wanted to respectfully ask what um was detailed cost data provided to council that substantiates the specific cost impact shown in that figure. Uh, we were just talking about that. And to your point, councelor Foresman, I do believe that cost of goods such as trucks and containers and things of that nature um could be provided and would relate directly to the figure that they they provided. Um if they did provide that context and you guys were able to review that, um it would be helpful. And um if not, I'm I'm curious how those figures were derived. Um the data Sunshine references spans 2020 through 2025. The current contract was negotiated and executed in 2021 during a period when many pandemic related cost increases were already occurring. My question is when the 21 the 2021 agreement was finalized, were those 2020 and 2021 cost impacts in their figures there um already factored into the base rates established at that time? Uh, in other words, were some of the increases being cited today already contemplated when the current rates were set? I just want to ensure we are not double counting cost impacts that may have already incorporated been incorporated into the original contract pricing. Um, additionally, in the letter provided on the 13th, Sunshine asked the city to consider industrywide impacts rather than what they [clears throat] experienced individually. If regional or local impacts were less substantial than national industry averages, is it equitable for Lewon rateayers to absorb increases based on broader national trends rather than documented local experience?

[clears throat] My next item is uh a concern related to the proposed shift from CPI to PPI. The PPI series identified is a national industry index for solid waste collection. It is not regional or Idaho specific. Is it appropriate to tie local rates to a national pricing index that reflects markets very different from Lewon? The PPI is historically more volatile than the CPI. The CPI tends to provide stability and predictability for both the city and rateayers. PPI appears to shift more inflation volatility to in to customers. Before making a structural change like this, I would encourage council to carefully consider whether a national index truly reflects our local or even regional cost environment. And the last item is a question relating to the amendment regarding to the local office requirement. The language states that a full-time supervisor will be available within within the office with a local telephone number and that the franchisee may request relocation outside city limits but within the local area. How is local area defined? Would relocation outside of Nespers County qualify? If a rateayer calls and reaches customer service located in another city, does that align with the original intent of maintaining a meaningful local presence? Because this is an exclusive franchise, effectively a monopoly within city limits. Strong local accountability is typically typically part of that exchange. [clears throat] And that's uh that's all I've got. Thank you very much, council. Any questions?

Okay. Not at this point. Thank you. Um Brian, I'm going to give you an opportunity to respond to anything that uh was shared with us by our citizen comments.

Yeah, there was there was a lot there. I'm sorry. I didn't didn't catch it all. I didn't get write it all down. But um I think I'll work backwards first. the relation to the the indicy. I think we had this discussion during our last meeting related to the indices. Um there if you recall the hot dog discussion so the indices are percentage not a cost basis. So if you if the cost of a of a hot dog is a dollar here and $2 in in New York and the cost goes up 2% as an industry average, that's a that's two that's four cents on the on the $2 in in New York and two cents on the dollar in in um in Lewon. So that's how the the indices actually work to address the um the differences. Uh the speaking about the franchise agreement, it also predates me. I was not with Sunshine at that point in time, but as I understand the discussion in 2001 that that change from contract to franchise occurred because of a change in um case law that required the movement from a contract to a to a franchise agreement. At that point in time, this was addressing earlier. the um process took into account the differences between contract and franchise but did not allow for an opportunity to go back and and um address the rates and I can't speak to why that was the case but that was as I understand it what um what happened during the 2021 um conversation. So that's the reason why the the rates weren't adjusted at that at that point in time or there wasn't a request to make an adjustment at that point in time. Thank you.

Other questions that you had from counselors, councelor for I I did one of the questions I think you mentioned. I'm trying to remember it word. Uh the cost of the the trucks and having kind of more realistic numbers for that. I I'm not sure if you put that in the report. I don't believe I saw those numbers.

Uh we did not. We've discussed them before, but we didn't put them in in the the letter. So, we've seen um adjustments in the trucks from going off of memory, which may be dangerous, in the 300s to um mid to high 400s. And the most recent quote that we're getting is going to push it over $500,000 a truck. So, that's kind of the the scale that gets us to the the percentage that you see here in the letter tonight.

Follow up, Mayor. um would maybe I'm trying to determine how to word this. What way are do we have verification on like how much the equipment has gone up or what are you guys are having to spend? Is there is that readily available for people to to find or is that something that you guys have a contract agreement maybe with those vendors and how much that cost going to be and if we could see that how would that work? um we can certainly discuss how to get you that information. So um each individual service provider has um relationships with with vendors and we generally have the same set of vendors that we can choose from in the case of a truck. Um and service providers tend to use one brand of truck versus another brand of truck to meet the their specific needs. But um typically the price points are relatively similar um depending on the the the volume and the request that goes into those um contracts to purchase a vehicle more keys and things like that.

Oh no. Go ahead. So mayor can I ask you a question?

You may. Um I know in original meetings you were looking at the difference in the index and stuff. in your re review of it, did you come up with different um different differences in between the CDI and the PPI indexes and um well, I I have gone over those indexes um in pretty good detail and I pulled the indices from the Bureau of Labor Statistics and um I I would probably uh make a couple adjustments to those um um contract prices based on those indices. However, uh I would probably uh ask to uh visit with Sunshine again to make sure that I'm understanding everything correctly and they might want to ask us the same questions. But I think there's an opportunity to do that to take a look at those indices and talk about them. But uh in terms of changing from a a PPI CPI combination, the CPI index is a chained index. And that's something that was generated probably 25ish years give or take. And um if if I were in the solid waste business, I would not want to use a change index. I can tell you that. Uh the the index that Sunshine is looking at uh seems to be an industry specific index. And what the Bureau of Labor Statistics will do is they will go out and they will put into that baskets those types of activities and products that are related to that industry to that business. And so that's supposed to be a more accurate measurement of changes in costs to those industries. So that's what they're asking us to look at. I don't think that's an unreasonable request. Um and council will have a couple more shots at this to look at that and I can get you some more information um that talks about it. So I would agree with you counselor that's um probably a reasonable request to look at that uh index. Uh but then we just have to uh

agree on something between zero and the 18.5% that they're asking for. Is that a reasonable answer? I wasn't trying to be political. Nope. And after Thank you. Okay. Council right. Thank [snorts] you. Uh question for Jennifer if if I can. When does this contract expire?

Jennifer Tangano, city attorney. Let me just The current contract expires 2030, I believe. So the current the original term of the agreement was from December 1st through 2020 December 1st, 2021 through September 30th, 2022. And then it automatically renewed for up to eight additional one-year terms. And the agreement as it existed um was not to extend beyond September 30th, 2030 unless otherwise agreed in writing by both the parties. And this particular amendment does not actually change the term of the agreement. It only changes the specific provisions identified in the amendment.

Okay. Thank you,

Councelor Forsman. Can I I think for clarity sake tonight we are not making a final decision on that uh one-time cost increase. As you said, we have more chances at this to get more information. Am I understanding that correctly? Correct. This is we're in the public hearing to consider the request and to take all comments, you know, for and against it. And then uh once we close the public hearing, then we'll have three readings of this have more discussion. One last followup then I guess to that [clears throat]

if we can. So, in the next uh meeting or when we go through this again to have those numbers um maybe what's your highest cost? I don't know if that's labor or um equipment. So, kind of just having a a base of how much it costs to have a truck, how much is a average wages for your workers. Um I don't know what other equipment you guys have. So whatever equipments that you would have that um you could bring to the next meeting that so we kind of have some real numbers to look at. Um so that the citizens that are paying for this jump in increase really feel at ease with having this and understanding uh the need for it if that makes sense.

Yeah, we can certainly um look at providing that information to you. We're we're committed to being in conversation with the mayor regarding his his questions as well. So, we'll we'll look at that in totality as a package and um try to determine the best way to provide that information. Thank you, council. Further questions? Um I'll let you comment and then I'll give Brian a followup. Please.

Um, Brandon Johnson, um, Councelor Foresman, to to your point again, I think, uh, when we're talking about the PPI, um, and and for you to, Councelor Splicker, the the percentage on the dollar is a is a fair assessment when you're looking at the, you know, percentage overall, but where it relates directly to the contract for the city of Lewon is the the direct impact to Sunshine. So it, you know, looking at that industrywide, specifically on the PPI, which I agree, uh, mayor, that is more specific to solid waste, it's still being able to address whether or not it's something that's that's relevant to our local market. So it our our local uh cost environment might might be different than than what you're seeing on the national index. And so seeing some some direct data to to justify the increase, I think, is really do doing the due diligence. Um, and then lastly, you know, the city with the um the one-year renewals that Jennifer was talking about has an opportunity to to test the market. Um, and even if they keep Sunshine as the current provider, it they're not under you're not under an obligation to keep uh to just renew it and and go on. You can put it out for competitive bid uh depending on the the timeline there. But it it gives you an opportunity to validate the market, which in circumstances of of a near 20% increase, I think are um justifiable.

Thank you, Brandon. Brian, you have an opportunity to respond and then I think we're finished.

Thank you, Brian Bod from Sunshine Disposal. Just one other thought on the the national industry. So, some of the big ticket items and councelor you asked about big ticket items. Obviously, trucks, big ticket item. Unfortunately, there's no regional market for trucks. They're national suppliers of trucks and so they provide these trucks across the country and you're you're beholden to the the the cost of those trucks across the country. Carts by volume because the number of of carts that go out to the curbside to the homeowners also largely set by a national market um in a big ticket item for any service provider, whether it's Sunshine or another service provider. Medical costs. Again, those are are more national cost. And I think you as an employer can appreciate the the cost of of health care and the cost of of trucks and and those types of items that you're competing on a on a national market in those items. So, appreciate the opportunity to respond.

Thank you, Brian. Counselors, uh, last chance for any questions. Counselor Splier. Thank you. So, Brian, I was just looking at one of your I think it's on page two. you had some operating cost percentage increases and I'm just curious on your driver is that the increase in pay or what was that one that is increase in wage. Yes. Thank you. Council right. Thank you. Just one more for Jennifer. So on the contract again it it was signed 2021 and then went for one year with a automatic renewal if neither party wanted to make any changes. Was that am I recalling correctly?

Jennifer Tangano, city attorney. So, I'm not sure I understand the question, but yes. Um, it is a one-year agreement with eight additional one-year terms. Yeah. What I'm Oh, Mr. Mayor.

Oh, sorry. What I was trying to understand was it was signed it was signed in 2021 and then it went to 2022 and that's when both parties would make adjustments if needed or they just let it automatically renew. Am I thinking of that correctly? Like that's the process. So the agreement autom includes adjustments in it and automatic some that are automatic and then others that allow for an ask greater than the automatic but I believe it's that a limit as far as a percentage increase. Um I have a markedup version but I was not anticipating that question. So I'd have to look through all the various areas I have marked up. Um but as far as reconsidering the costs probably in the nature that you're thinking um that uh Brandon had talked about about testing the market um I don't believe that that kind of scenario was contemplated in here but it does I mean there are provisions in the agreement related to if the parties needed to terminate um and again uh as as Brandon suggested there's nothing that would stop the city from considering alternatives um as long as the provisions in the contract itself are not breached and that the appropriate notices and termination provisions are followed.

Thank you.

Good evening. Dustin Johnson, public works director. I just point of clarification. So, this is an ordinance that is in front of you. So, there's three separate se separate readings. And so, tonight you were only considering reading number one. We need to pass all three readings. And so, in order for this to move forward, um you know, you would pass reading number one. Not to say that we couldn't amend it at reading number two or reading number three. So, once you close the public hearing, you will be voting on reading number one. In order to proceed along and negotiate, we would need to get to reading number two. So, I just wanted to make that clear for the public and council and everybody watching at home that this is three separate readings and this is only the first reading. Contractor council's last opportunity for questions. Okay, I'm going to close the public hearing 7 o'clock. Council, we next move to item B, first reading of ordinance 4956, considering amending the franchise agreement for collection, hauling, and tipping of residential and commercial solid waste, yard waste, and recyclable materials with sanitary disposal, Inc. doing business as Sunshine Disposal and Recycling approved through Lewis City Ordinance number 4823 on November 1st, 2021 and authorizing the mayor, city clerk to sign agreement to the franchise agreement. an action item. Um, if you don't need to hear from our public works director further on this, I would entertain a motion. Councelor Speckleer.

Motion to approve the first reading of ordinance number 4956. Second. It's been moved by councelor Speckle. Second by councelor Klein to approve the first reading of ordinance number 49 56. Is there any discussion? Councelor Specmire, would you like to speak to your motion? Um, I think there's a lot more to look into it. There's some more information I'd like to see about it, but um, like they said, we have two more readings on it and we can make the necessary adjustments from there. Sir, right, did you have discussion? No. Thank you.

Okay. Um, are there any minutes? Not at this time. Not at this time. Okay. Those in favor, please signify by saying I. I.

Oppos. Motion carries. Thank you. Council clerk Brocky. Approving the first reading of ordinance 4956, an ordinance of the city of Lewon amending the franchise agreement for collection, hauling, and tipping of residential and commercial solid waste, yard waste, and recyclable materials between the city of Lewon and Sanitary Disposal, Inc. doing business as sunshine disposal and recycling an Idaho corporation granted pursuant to Lewis and city ordinance number 4823 on November 1st, 2021 authorizing the mayor and city clerk to execute and test set amendment to the franchise agreement respectively providing that the provisions of this ordinance are deemed severable and providing an effective date.

Thank you, Clerk Rocky. Thank you, councelor, and thank you Sunshine for being with us here tonight. And if we have questions, we'll follow up. Our next item counts as item C, public hearing on the 2026 transportation capital improvement plan, accepting testimony on the 2026 transportation capital improvement plan. This is an action item. We have our public works director, Dustin Johnson. We welcome you back to the stage tonight, Director Johnson. Uh after the public hearing and staff presentation, the opening of the hearing, we'll have received public testimony if there is any. Counselors, again, that's your time to ask questions. No additional evidence or testimony may be received once the public hearing is closed. Then I will close that public hearing after that. So I will open the public hearing and turn it over to public works director Dustin Johnson. Director, welcome.

Good evening, mayor, city council. Dustin Johnson, public works director. Uh so this is an annual process that we go through. Um this is what uh the 2026 transportation capital improvement plan. This gives the uh public and council an opportunity to weigh in the priorities that we have for investing large capital uh projects into our transportation network. Um I will be upfront. This is probably my second least favorite meeting because it gets convoluted and messy because we're moving around the board and talking about big large scale projects and trying to weight them uh and and you're trying to take uh an engineering process and trying to weight these through and yet trying to make it engaging to the public. And so um it it can be challenging and it can be kind of uh confusing. And so I'm going to do my best to keep us all on the kind of the same page tonight. uh and I have some some good news at the end about process. So uh about about the process is as I said it's just an opportunity for us to re-evaluate annually uh the priorities that we have in our transportation network as far as largecale investments. And so before we can move forward we should always look back uh where have we been? And so uh over the last year uh or probably even more we've talked about uh Main Street. And so, uh, going back probably two or three fiscal years, uh, we started looking at combining, you know, a water, a wastewater, a storm water, and a transportation project. And so, that gives you multiple sources of revenue, multiple, uh, funding ways of whether it be grants or in this case going after a bond. Uh, there was two separate unsuccessful GEO bonds tried and I think that was all in 2025. So, here we are in 2026. Tomorrow we will be submitting for a federal um uh build grant. That is a federal transportation grant. We already took that in front of you a couple weeks ago for your review. So that grant will go in tomorrow. That covers the transportation component. And

anybody who went to any of the open houses saw a large portion was putting back on top of those pipes. Uh all the transportation, sidewalk, pavement, signals, boulevard trees, all of that stuff goes along with that. So if we can get a $20 million head start on that, that makes it more affordable to pay for with utilities. So just trying to find new funding alternatives, ways to get our uh critical arterial collector infrastructure up to the standards that we would expect it to be. So um that that's a process that we've been down and we're going to concurrently keep going down. Uh Fifth Street, uh so at the top of the grade this direction, uh all the way to LCSC where it TE's right there. reconstructed that. Uh that project was paid for out of our um actually mostly that was pavement preservation, but uh we we've been getting some good, you know, good news that we've been getting good bids. You'll start seeing some of those in in construction year 26. So that was last year we had uh reconstruction of Fifth Street. Uh 12th Street sidewalk construction that's in front of that connects Orchards Elementary to Warner. So, across all the way from an elementary school to generally the high school, new high school campus, across the uh school district, administration buildings, and then 17th Street sidewalk, that's right at the corner of Jennifer Middle School going uh south up the hill. Uh there was a portion of uh sidewalk that was missing there. And so 12th Street and 17th Street were um grants. uh sidewalk grants are easier to get get to get than some of these major like the raised grants or uh the build grants. So this is uh the picture looking up the hill. The mall's back over here at WCO um and Jennifer's behind you. So you're looking at this whole block of missing sidewalk is now got sidewalk. And then here you can see Fifth Street uh the new this is looking kind of towards us uh up there and you

can see the new new asphalt and the old asphalt. Um I drive that almost every single day and I can tell you the ride is significantly better. So um that's that's what we've gotten done in the last uh just in the last year. The highlights there's been other grants and projects completed. Uh where we're going. So I think some of you are on the steering committee for the East Lewon network analysis ELNA. Um and so that was a project uh that was actually funded in the FY25 budget that it's been carrying forward. We'll close it out in the 26 budget. Um that's the evaluation. If we go back probably two years now, there was a vacation for the way end of Brighton and there was some internal uh discussion I guess we'll call it of how viable some of these um un unconstructed rights away are. Uh and so Bride here bride you think a major road but it clipped out into Lindsy Creek. And so this analysis brought everybody some of the developers, it's brought in the county, it's brought in the school district, it's brought in the sheriff, it's brought in the poor. I mean, it's trying to get everybody on the same page and talk about where these critical pieces are because what we're finding is growth goes east Lewon, you're getting cliffed out and so secondary accesses are are are key um as you're going to try and build out more affordable housing or any housing in that direction. Um Snake River Avenue, if you've noticed, uh right now we're we're doing sewer line underneath the road. Soon as those guys clear out, we'll start construction on the main road. So that's actually Snake River Avenue phase two. Phase one was the roundabout. Phase two goes from the roundabout to 11th uh with the turning lanes going up 11th up the hill. So that one will be completed this year and then approved in FY or we we're 26 uh budget. We we're we're just already talking about FY27 budget. Why getting stuck on these things? But the update to the transportation master plan, the focus on that is going to be the sidewalks. So, we've talked you in

and the CIP, this CIP gets watered down. I'll just say it like that because you've got sidewalk projects competing with 21st Street and Brighton. And so, not to say, well, I guess I should say there's more users on Brighton than there is on some of these missing sidewalk units. And so, trying to break out, prioritize the areas of sidewalk that are important, uh, while at the same time trying to put emphasis in in our investment on these arterials. Uh, and so we'll be updating the master plan, updating the CIP process, how it how it relates to the sidewalks and bike routes and all those other trails. You've [clears throat] seen this, I'm sure, every year. Uh, so this kind of outlines the calendar that we've done. Uh, this process officially started November 1st in 2025. We go out to public comment. We ask for anybody to give us any streets, any projects, any considerations that may not be included in existing CIP. We take those in, we compile, and then build a new CIP. Then that goes back out for public comment. There's open houses along the way, and then we bring it back to you for tonight's public hearing on the 23rd. this we will take comment from the public regarding anything um within the city as far as transportation um at any time but at some point we have to say this is the end and this is the beginning. So when this transpl trans transportation plan was adopted uh probably five or six years ago it's probably about the same time we adopted this uh sunshine disposal maybe it was just a little bit after that franchise because I do remember working on this what they tried to do was to build this into a um a ranking criteria to try and take a little bit of the um personal opinions out of it. So they wanted to rank these by these five criteria. Mobility, livability, safety, responsible governance, and economic vitality. And so sometimes, and that's why we bring it to the public, we bring it to you. You can look at it. There's

always a street, I can't remember the name of it. It's 20 20th Street North in the port. That's always controversial because it meets all the criteria, but the council in the past has said that's not a project that we see as viable compared to like Warner or thing or or Brighton. So that's how we build this. That's where this uh spreadsheet started and then we insert the public. And so [clears throat] for this year, we received I think nine comments um for projects. Uh I wanted to call out generally, you know, so here's the street and here's kind of the the the the book ends. This is where those are. Um what what was interesting about these and every year you never know. I mean, you're opening to the public, so somebody may have a bad day and stub their foot on this particular sidewalk and you get feedback on that. But what I'm seeing on this is there is a large push. You start you're seeing the majority of them are pedestrian crossings or sidewalk. It might just be the 25. We got a lot of sidewalk product or questions or concerns or it may be that the public's starting to utilize some of these facilities more than than pavement. I I don't know. Um but what what is reassuring that you'll start seeing is uh a lot of these projects are already identified. So that gives merit to what we do. you know, if they were bringing up projects that we would have never heard of, that means we're probably not focusing on the on the things that are important. So, you start seeing CIP number 13, 23, number 11, number 15. Those are all high ranking projects. So, what we've discussed at length, Bane, 17th Street sidewalk from, you know, where that sidewalk network currently ends, we got it to, I think, B just past the mall, um, which is 23rd. Um, but we we do get a lot of feedback that people would because there's an apartment building and once you get up on top there's a sidewalk network there. Um, they would like to see that that connection and so that we continue to see that as as one of the areas of that

they would like to to see us focus on. So when that was all bundled, we put those those in. We got one public comment as regard to the the draft uh and the draft the IP and that was create railroad quiet zones within Lewon. That's a that's a federal process. I'm not I'm not you know it could be considered as a CIP. It wouldn't be to a specific area at this point. It would be a consideration. It would probably require um you know we do have studies as part of recommendations of that. We did not include it in here but the council wanted to consider it. Um, railroads railroad quiet zones are um sometimes carried by the the the municipality or the neighborhood that is concerned or or a specific crossing that's triggered by development. this wouldn't be um and I've done a little bit of work with quiet zones in the past and it they're pretty difficult to get past just because one it's a federal process and two you're you're essentially telling the trains to not you know announce their presence at a crossing or honk their horn so they're quiet but you have to have you know basically 100% certainty that that no pedestrian or animal or anything else cars could get in through there. Um, so it's a hard crossing, tall fences, uh, and a lot of our railroad tracks are in areas of of I guess the back end of like Hans and and that industrial area kind of abudding the the the the trail the the the levy trail. So that may be hard. It'd be expensive to do. So u but that was a comment that we did receive. All right, real quick. wanted to go through um because we talk about there I think on this list there's $250 million of projects and you know that that's just we we're never going to build everything and so you know that the the joke is there's always more projects than there is money and so you know it's it's it's important for us to be very

strategic with where we we we put our not our just our money but where we put our focus and time. Uh and so those are the three that I've got listed right there. Local funds grants and STBG allocation. So local funds, those are obviously property taxes, those are the number one. Um those are the one that obviously the public is most interested in. They don't want to see those dollars wasted and and we try to make sure that we we follow their direction. Franchise fees, that's one where um you know, a Vista is probably the biggest contributor. So you pay a percentage uh to operate within the city right away and that's the way it operates in Idaho. So, the city currently has a 1% franchise fee. I think the two that pay the most are are Vista and the port for their fiber. Um, in order to raise that franchise fee from 1 to 3%, uh, we would have to take a vote of the people, um, I think it's roughly $400,000 per percent. So, currently we're we're receiving $400,000 in change from a Vista. Uh, if it went to the full 3% it would be 1.2 2 million give or take somewhere in that ballpark. So that's that's an opportunity. The difference between a franchise fee and a property tax. Property tax obviously you have exempt you know schools and churches that don't pay that. Franchise fees distribute that across all users uh of of you know gas and power. Um grants grants are great. I show showed you those two sidewalks projects. Those are the um sidewalks, schools, uh commercial nodes. That's where we try and connect um uh pedestrians and non-motorized users. The grants and even sometimes, let's say we get the the build grant. You're you're you're you must meet the needs or meet the requirements of that grant. So, I could get a sidewalk grant. It's not going to do me a lot of good on Main Street. it it is required to go, you

know, the grants are usually looking to build school safe routes to schools or um there was one the the hot crossing on Snake River Avenue um that that was paid for access to federal lands and so we couldn't use that on Main Street. That was for very specific use. So grants are there. They're somewhat shrinking but but they are there and they I hope to see them continue for these sidewalk smaller filler grants. um STPG, we call it STP, that's the old allocation. That is uh about $500,000 a year that we get direct allocation for the federal government. Those funds are programmed and have been programmed for probably 10 15 years. So Snake River Avenue is mostly paid for by these STBG um funds. Um they've been programmed that that design predates when the tracks were still there. And so to to rely solely on these STBG funds, $500,000 is a lot for some projects, but it's not a lot when you're trying to build a 20 million, $30 million project. It takes, you know, decades to build those funds. So Snake River Avenue is now under construction. That's phase two. Um, 9inth Street Grade, the picture of it right here, looking down the hill, it looks good, it rides good, but what's underneath that retaining wall is falling apart. Uh, and so the substructure is is junk. And so it's been programmed in there for quite a while and that is one that will probably start construction in 28 depending on how those funds are um you know it's a pot that we redistri we we get an allocation but the as the funds become available and the project in front of us goes over budget we get a a construction fee. The next two on here that have been programmed before any of us got here uh is Brighton. I guess I shouldn't say that. Sorry. Council [laughter] Uh Brian, phase one and phase two was uh

uh that's also on the uh on the SCP uh route. So uh again with phase one at I can't remember what it is. I'll show you the estimate now. Um tens of millions of dollars to get these large projects and you're putting in $500,000 a year. it it doesn't it takes a long time and that's just not um how we maybe throw a couple projects towards STP and that's what we've done but you can't expect STP to solve 21st Street Main Street Fain all of these other projects it it's a it's a it's consistent funding source but it doesn't it's not a golden goose I'm just going to zip through these real quick kind of showing these top ones Warner and 10th uh in the past it's been at uh last year we adopted at 48. The criteria now kind of show it at 27. This is the one. It fun. I I drive it quite frequently. It It functions. It just doesn't h it doesn't give you comfort. Um and when it gets busy, it breaks very easily. Um Brighton phase one, we talked about this last year. It was eight. Phase two was number nine. Um the criteria move it to one mostly because it all the all the stuff that was listed. Um this number is now more correct. It this larger number was was right away was uh they overestimated it was a conservative number. So the good news is this this number's gone down but it's probably going back up just because over time. Um and then phase two I will say this number is not correct because this has not been updated. This is a a preliminary preliminary planning number. Um Main Street still sits here. Uh, and again, I don't want to get too worked up about which number is more correct. It's it's a $34 million project, I think, roughly, uh, give or take, once you incorporate all the pipes and and underground stuff. Um, but that's a mix

of all of the different funding sources that would come with that project. So that's a high-level summary of the transportation capital improvements that we have tackled in the past that we've looked at looking or that we are looking at c tackling in the future. So what are we doing now? Uh you've seen the public comment. It's in it was in your packet. Uh the full comment I just gave you the summary in in this presentation. Uh now it is up to you. I mean, well, I guess we'll take comment, too, but then we'll move move things around as you see fit. Uh, and we'll adopt the 2026 uh transportation CIP. So, I will stop talking. We'll hand it over for any public comment. I will close the PowerPoint presentation and I will bring up the the spreadsheet. I can organize it by where we left off in 25 and show you the rankings as we left them or I can bring up the rankings as they were uh as they as they come out by that criteria I spoke about. So I will sit down and let you unless you have questions for me now. Recker, if you just step back, I'm going to see if there's anybody from the audience that has comments testimony tonight. I don't see any. So, we're just going to get right back into uh comments or questions from Thank you, Brandon, for coming.

Thank you. Um, council questions for Director Johnson. This is your time. You have a question, director. [clears throat] When we moved um the changing of number one um it was number move number one to number eight. I guess that's what it says. That's the Brighten Avenue or or 8 to one. That's Yeah. So, um I guess last year we had Main Street. We adopted the council adopted to move it to number one. Correct. That's how it got to number one. Yep. Yep. Okay.

Yep. Yeah. So, council moved Brighton one and two to 8 and N. And that that just by default moved Main Street from three to one. Okay. Councelor Wright. Thank you. So, I I noticed Brighton's got a lot of potholes on it and things of that nature. Um would that be something that's just outside of this list and it you'd consider that normal maintenance to do that kind of work?

Uh yes, until it the potholes and the and the b I mean case in point would be 21st Street. Um 21st Street was a rebuild. We went back, I think, three summers ago and put that uh fiber slurry on it because uh rotate water um and so you try and keep it sealed and so potholes, cracks, you'll see us talk about crack sealing, chip sealing, those preserve that pavement, but once that water starts getting in there, you'll start seeing whole sections fall apart. Uh and then it becomes a capital project. And so I can that's some of my passion is like the more you invest on the upfront the cheap it's you know chip seals and crack seals slurry seals and and fill in those potholes that is cheap compared to a a rebuild. Um so yeah it it it is it is just pavement preservation until it's not. I guess to to be more direct, I suppose what I'm asking is will the potholes on Brighton be fixed this year uh regardless of this list?

Yes. Okay.

Yes. I mean, I don't know how to say this without, you know, my concern, you know, so Brighton phase one, so we're going to 10th. Fourth, no, seventh, sorry. Um, correct. Seventh. Fourth to 7th. Okay. Uh uh I know the stoplight but you know what street so 7th to 4th uh we have that generally designed uh we we have no money for right away but we we're completing the design phase move there's a plan for that there's no plan for phase two so as you drive past 7th and you're going to uh fame there's nothing there's there's nothing there so we um we're going to we're going to come to a point um where we need to have a conversation I think it's going to be sooner rather than later where we need to talk about what's the plan for phase two um which is seventh the fame um because yeah you you drive that and that asphalt is is not doing well.

Thank you. That may be a mill and overlay that that I I'm not sure what that looks like. It it that's not that's not what we want to do but that that is to the point where we're at now where we have to look at preserving what we have um before it goes to dirt. Further comments? I was following a couple of the city rigs up riding the other day, Monday I guess was last week, and they're actively patching the potholes up there right now. So, [snorts] any little bit helps.

Yeah. Yeah. And you know, case in point would be uh Brighton Canyon, so fourth down to the bridge. Uh we did get that grant, that safety grant. So we got $2 million for a mill and overlay of that road. That was a grant. I would love to take that mill and overlay and, you know, bring it all the way out to Fain, but the safety money was very, you know, that's where the accidents were and so that's where the money needs to be spent. Counceler. Thank you, Mayor. So, director, are we um ready to go into some of the list and some of the comments? I'm ready.

Um some individual made a very good comment about Grail. Yep. And I guess and that's me. So my concern with Grail is that we have approved so much building out on um that end in East Lew in the orchards and the north end of 18th Street that the traffic is increased and I live out there so much and you look at that the road between 15th and 19th it's starting to break up from all the trucks you know the gravel the cement and um and it's going to go fast and once it starts going I don't think we can catch up and it's not on any list at all. Yeah. Grail or powers.

Yeah. Uh it it's Grail is a funny especially that segment. So we did a chip seal on that I can't remember. I want to say four years ago, five years ago and I'm not pointing fingers. I'm not saying anything because any development is great. But we did the chip seal a a final plaque came across or preliminary. They build a subdivision out there. Lloyd has to tear up the road to accommodate the new subdivision. So there goes our brand new chip seal and then you put all those concrete trucks on top of it. That that's what we're trying to prevent, but also trying to predict, you know, that that area. I I can tell you is going to see a lot more traffic, especially that segment right there where they're turning right at 18th and heading heading to town. Yeah, that's that is one that's probably going to need to be moving up there. And these these documents are reactionary. you know, pavement index, we'll go and drive the road and then next year like that plat will be, you know, that subdivision will come out there and then, you know, you put another thousand 500 cars a day and a couple cement trucks out there. Yeah. It's going to degrade real quick.

Well, I guess my biggest concern was with it was when I had asked you or public works about what we had in store for it was, well, nothing because it's not on the list. Yeah. You know, so

Yeah. And what's unfortunate, and I think I've talked about it a little bit in the past, uh, a lot of these roads in the orchards aren't built to I mean, I can I can I don't even say the orchard. 21st Street when we did a boring, there's there's just river rock and sand underneath that. So, there's a lot of roads that you're starting to see that need to act like a collector, and they're not built to that collector standard. They're built to a farm road, put some asphalt on top of it, and when that section's built up enough where it stops sinking, we're good. And so now, 50 years later, you're starting to see those roads. I mean, no matter how much we we keep the water out of it, it's just it doesn't have the base to support the traffic that it's seeing now. So I guess uh would you like me to bring up the 2025 or do you want to keep it because these are the rankings by the

these rankings. But we're going to rearrange your amend if at all after the hearing. So okay council if you have any more questions for the director councelor forceman. Um, I don't know if it's just me me not seeing it, but do we have on here T Street and Thane where Arby's is that horrible intersection right there? It's low. Um,

I don't know [snorts] if it's in the teens. Maybe something different. Okay. I think Stuart. It's on there, but it's it's not as high as some people may think it should be. And it it's it's labeled specifically to fix that intersection. Or is it maybe under a different like description? It should be

I see bike routes stuff but I don't see like to fix that looked like four times. I don't know why I can't find it. Yeah, here it is. It is. Last year it was bumped up to Oh, no. Last year it was bumped down to 48. The criteria listed at 27. Okay. Thank you.

If there's no more questions for the director, close the public hearing.

Okay. We'll close the public hearing at 7:31. Thank you, director. Council, next we move to item D, resolution 2026-05 considering adopting the city of Lucen 2026 transportation capital improvement plan. Again, this is an action item and public clicks director Dustin Johnson is with us here tonight. And counselor, you basically have a couple of options. Uh you can uh adopt as amended tonight. So, if you want to go through that list or if you want to work on moving things around on that list, you could also do that tonight and then come back at another meeting uh to give it your final review and adopted at that time. So, with that, I will throw it up to the council council. So, can you repeat that to me?

So, you have two options tonight. We can work through this tonight live like we're doing and um propose some amendments and vote on each of those amendments and then after that vote vote on uh the plan itself or if you want to um you know rearrange it, talk about some changes to it, you can come back another night and uh consider it at that point. So remember, identifying as an action item doesn't mean that we have to take action on it tonight. So whatever you're prepared for, if you're prepared to vote on this, we can certainly do that and then entertain amendments individually as they come along. So it would be a motion to table the

we just won't take action on it tonight. Yeah. What may be easiest if you just provide me feedback on specific projects you'd like to see moved up and then I can do my best to draft something more more coherent than what we've got. Have it in a packet and then then you guys can fine-tune it from there. Do you have a preference? I would like to extend it and you know keep working on it at a different date unless everyone else is fine with what it is. I just really only had one addition and that was some putting that grail on there somewhere. So that's all I had counselors.

I had a couple wanting to move things around. So I wouldn't mind extending it having more time to discuss and move things around. Director, that seems to be the will of the council tonight. So, I guess what I would ask you council then is to uh get those changes um put together and be prepared to discuss those so that we can get this uh CIP approved and move forward on that. So, ready. Thank you, director. Thank you.

Excuse me, Mayor Jennifer Tangano, city attorney. Is there a specific date we want to bring this back to discuss or a deadline for the council members to submit their proposed revisions to director Johnson? That's a good question. Thank you, Jennifer. Council, this um our next meeting is a work session on March 2nd. Our next regular meeting is Monday, March 9th. So, um if you have some idea when you might want to do that, I'll just get it scheduled. The 9th. The 9th. Is the next work session pretty action-packed? I think it is pretty. Yeah, it's pretty full. Okay, maybe moving it then. So, Mon Monday, March 9th,

whatever the least. We'll get her done. Okay. Yeah, because these take while takes a while. So, Tanya, did you get that? We'll put it on the March 9th meeting and uh we'll we'll get her done that night. Thank you. Thank you, council. Thank you, Jennifer. Council, next up is the consent agenda. All items on the consent agenda are considered routine by the council and will be enacted by one motion to leave an accept on these issues unless the council still requests in which case the item will be removed from the consent agenda and consider on the active agenda under items moved from the consent agenda. Mayor counc

I'd like to remove vouchers payable from the consent agenda. Okay. That was payable. Entertainment with the doctor's payable removed. We'll move nothing else. Okay. Oh, it's been moved by council president. Second by councelor Speckleer to approve the consent agenda. Um, minus the doctor's paper. Favor, please. Second. Well, clerk Rocky, you're going to help me with that one. Council President Cleber. Hi. Councelor Wright. Hi. Councelor Forsman.

Hi. Councelor Klene. Hi. Councelor Spickle. Hi. The motion carries. Thank you, council. Thank you. That's my name tag. Um, next we're going to go to Roman 7, active agenda item A, the 2025 annual comprehensive financial report. Considering approving the 2025 annual comprehensive financial report. This is an action item. We have our city treasurer, finance director with us here, Amy Gordon. Amy, welcome.

Good evening, mayor, city council. Um, I'd like to start by again thanking council for your um, attendance at our work session earlier today where you received an in-depth review of the city's annual [clears throat] financial report. Um, as I mentioned earlier today, it's about a five-month process where we start at the end of September planning out what our audit um timeline will be, what our processes will be, and then we really dive in deep in the later part of October and November to get everything ready for our auditors who then come in and audit those financial transactions. I want to take this opportunity to um show my appreciation for my staff. They work really hard during this time of year to be able to go through and reconcile all the city accounts on top of their other duties. Um I have members of my staff that will pick up the slack when we need to focus on the audit and putting together the annual um comprehensive financial report books that you guys received earlier today. Um I especially want to thank my accounting supervisor, Claire Buuitt, who does a lot of the heavy lifting with this project. Um, I'd like to thank city departments, our department directors and their staff for um, being able to provide us information as needed. Um, thanks to our audit committee who participate in the process and provide that bridge between us and the community. And then also I'd like to thank our auditors, President Gage, for their professionalism and being courteous and kind throughout the process and just being um a pleasure to work with. And I would now like to introduce you to President Gay's associate partner, Don Elvery, who manages our audit each year and her team of staff.

Welcome, Don. Please introduce yourself for the record and the floor is yours. Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you, Amy. Um, good evening, mayor and city council. Thank you for having me here tonight. I'm Don Albertie, an associate partner with President Gage, and I am the partner in charge of the city of Lewon's audit engagement. I'm here tonight to formally present the council um to the council the audited financial statements and reports of the uh fiscal year ending September 30, 2025. Uh we have reviewed the audit processes and results with the audit committee um to form that bridge as Amy indicated to establish uh of transparency. The annual comprehensive financial report is what is is provided to you in final form prior to this meeting during our work session and thank you for attending and having me there tonight. Uh President Gage has performed the city's audit in accordance with auditing standards generally accepted the United States of America. Under those standards, it is the objective of the audit to obtain reasonable not absolute assurance about whether the financial statements are free of material misstatement. Basically, the financial statements and information reported within the annual comprehensive financial report is the responsibility of management and this council. President Gage is responsible for issuing an opinion on the information provided after the audit is complete. Um the audit opinions that were presented or in your your packet uh we issued an opinion indicating the city's financial statements with regards to governmental activities, business type activities, the component unit, each major fund and the aggregate remaining funds are fairly presented in all material respects and this is an unmodified or a clean opinion. Uh another opinion during our audit we considered the city's internal control procedures over financial reporting and determined that those procedures are there are procedures in place um to

account for the city's funds and we issued a clean opinion on that as well. Uh the last of the opinions we audited the city's compliance with state and federal uh regulations along with internal controls over those compliance requirements with regards to federal funded major programs. um we issued an unmodified opinion um on that report as clean clean opinion. I as well want to thank the city finance staff Amy and Claire and all their the folks um in their department. They do work hard to get us the information in a timely fashion in an organized fashion. Also, the departments um are that we inquire on or visit during our audit have been very um excuse me, very helpful and um during that process. So, if there are no questions, we formally request the council's authorization to release the audited financial statement as presented.

Thank you for having me here tonight. Thank you, Don. Counselor's questions. Councelor Forsman. Motion to approve the 2025 annual comprehensive financial report. Second move by councelor Forsman. Second by councelor Specar to approve the 2025 annual comprehensive financial report. Clerk Rocky. Council President Cleber. Hi. Councelor Wright. I. Councelor Forsman. I. Councelor Klein. Hi, Councelor Segmire. Hi,

Council. Thank you, Don, for being with us here tonight. Councilor, next up we have item B, resolution 2026-07, considering declaring various items of city of Lewis property to be surplus and we're voting for the public auction of said surplus. This is an action item where city treasur finance record Amy Gordon is here if you need to ask any questions. Otherwise, I would entertain a motion. Councelor Forceman. Motion to approve resolution 20267. Second. Move by councelor Forsman. Second by councelor Wright to approve resolution 2026-0747. Council President Cleber. Hi. Councelor Wright. I. Councelor Forsman.

Hi. Councelor Klene. Hi. Councelor Spikelem. Hi varies. Thank you councel. Item C, collective bargaining agreement request considering a request from the paternal order police Louis and Lewis Clark loss number 10 FOP to begin negotiations for a new collective bargaining agreement. This is an action item. We have our HR director Nikki Province with us here tonight. Nikki, welcome. Please introduce yourself for the record. The floor is yours.

Yeah. Um Nikki Province, HR director for the city. Um, as is normal process, the union has reached out to us to begin negotiations. Their current collective bargaining agreement is set to end September 30th. And um, we're really, like we've done in past years, coming to council to um, be given direction on if you would like us to staff in particular to enter into negotiations for a new collective bargaining agreement that would be effective 101 with our Fraternal Order of Police. Thank you, director clerk or council. Questions for director of province.

Master forman. Motion to begin negotiations for a new collective bargaining agreement with the Fraternal Order of Police. Lewis Clark Lodge number 10. Second by council councelor Foresman. Second by council president Kleber to begin negotiations for new collective bargaining agreement with the Fraternal Order. Please lose clar lodge number 10. Clerk Brocky. Council President Cleber. Hi. Councelor Wright. Hi. Councelor Forsman. Hi. Councelor Klein. Nay. Councelor Spiggle. Hi.

Motion carries. Thank you, council. Thank you, Clerk Rocky and Chief Cusk. Forward to working um with the FOP and contract in place. Thank you, counselors. Next up, we have item D, ordinances number one, second and third readings. Item A, ordinance 4959 concerning amending Lewon City Code section 37-3 relating to the definition of parking lot amending Lewon City Code sections 37-146, 37-149, 37-151, and 37-153 relating to parking lots and repealing reserving Lewon City Code section 37-147. This is an action item council. We've been through this a couple of times. If you have any questions for our assistant city planner, Kitty Hollings head. She's here with us tonight. Otherwise, I would entertain a motion.

Mayor, councelor Specier. Motion to wave the third reading of full of ordinance number 4959 and approve the reading of ordinance number 4959 by title only. Second. Been moved by councelor. Council president to wave the third reading and full of ordinance number 4959. Approve the reading of ordinance number 4959 by title only. There are any amendments tonight. Hearing none. Those in favor please signify by saying I. I. I. Those against I. Sorry, not against four.

Carries. Clerk Rocky. [snorts] Approving [clears throat] the second and third readings of ordinance 4959, an ordinance of the city of Lewon amending Lewon City Code section 37-3 relating to the definition of parking lot. Amending Lewon City Code sections 37-146, 37-149, 37-151, and 37-153 relating to parking lots, repealing and reserving Lewon City Code section 37-147, and providing an effective date. Thank you, Clerk Rocky. Councel. Next, we move to number two, adoption, approval of ordinance summaries. Item A, ordinance 4959. This is an action item. Councelor Speckleer.

Motion to adopt ordinance number 4959 and approve the related ordinance summary. Second. By councelor Speckleer, second by councelor Foresman to adopt ordinance number 4959 and approve the related ordinance summary. Clerk Brocky. Council President Cleber. Hi. Councelor Wright. I. Councelor Forsman. I councelor Klene. I councelor Swicklem. I thank you councel Katie. Thank you for your work on that. Thank you clerk Rocky. Next we move to Roman numeral eight items move from the consent agenda. Councelor Forsman

one is on page eight of 13. Uh, I don't know if that's uh the K number 122021. Um, I [clears throat] think economic development. So, the L Ranch Hotel an amount of $1,150. Just curious what I'm not sure what that is. Um, [clears throat] I'm not seeing El Ranch Hotel on the list, am I? You know what it is? Oh, okay. Jan Gro, community development director. I believe that one would be if it's under the economic development funds that one would be from our CDBG program.

Oh, that makes sense. Thank you. Yeah, those types of vouchers are are for that. Yep. Um, thank you, director. one. Sorry outside that one. Uh, and then the other one was just Adobe licensing. I know that sounds kind of silly, but what um what exactly do we use the Adobe for?

Um we have several um departments that will edit PDF documents and so to do that they need a PDF editor. Adobe is one of them that they use. Okay. I personally I use Foxit. So, um, but be a to be able to do edit PDFs and have that ability, you would need a software capable of handling that and that would be the annual subscription for it.

Okay, that makes a lot of councelor Foresman to comment on Adobe as a department that switched from Foxit, which is a cheaper alternative to um Adobe uh at least for legal purposes, the functionality of Foxit just hasn't been satisfactory. And so we did eventually choose to go with a more expensive option because the ability to make the changes and to use the product as at least my department needs um is is worth the extra price. Um, previously to working with the city, I had a private subscription and so I was very familiar with it and I've been using it for the last four years with the city and it just has not really provided the ease of edits, the ease of providing comments and working with outside um, legal counsel and even just the the tools available to it just isn't quite there. So we you know in in my department we justified the increased cost because of those needs. So um we recently changed from Foxit to Adobe knowing that it was more expensive just because the functionality is is more in line with what we actually need from it than Foxit.

Okay. Thank you. Um, and I think my last one, Shannon Gro, I think pretty much answered that one because it's under the economic development for Louiswis Clark proc management. Um, so that's under the same CBG. So I think that answered that question for me. Uh, that is all my questions. Thank you. I would entertain a motion to approve vouchers payable. So moved. Second. It's been moved by council president Kleberg, seconded by councelor Wright to approve vouchers payable. Clerk Rocky. Council President Cleber. Hi. Councelor Wright. I. Councelor Forsman. I. Councelor Klein. Hi. Councelor Spickle. Hi.

Motion carries. Thank you, council. We move to Roman nine. Roman numeral nine. Unfinished new business. Item A, city council comments. Comments shall not be related to an item currently before the city council. An item that may come for the city council in the foreseeable future shall be limited to comments, not discussion. Councilors, mayor, councelor Forsman,

uh, first I'd like to mention the podcast. If you want to listen to the city's podcast, tuning in to stay informed, I highly suggest. Uh, when I first got on council, I asked if we had one or if we were looking to get one, and the mayor informed me that they were in the works. Um, so I want to extend a c kudos, excuse me, to our public information officer, Carol Mau. She puts in a lot of work to create an easy accessible source of information so we can all stay informed. Um, so I think that was a good move in the right direction for the city. Uh, another kudos to I would like to extend is to public works committee. Uh, they gave me a thank you card for serving on the board and I think that was a nice touch um that other boards might be able to implement. uh to you know just thanking people for um putting in their community um service they put in. So um take notes [laughter] because I thought that was a very nice touch. All my comments

are there council comments? No. Uh item B, city boards and commissions. Le updates. Councelor Specier.

Thank you, Mayor. Um we had a meeting last week with the parks and recck commission. Um, one of the big issues we talked about was there was concerns about the condition of the engine, I guess you'll call it, at locomotive park. Um, I guess it's really getting rusted and deteriorated and it's kind of a safety issue. So, one of the commission members is going to be added to one of our agendas, needs going to come and do a presentation on it and give us a recommendation on what to do with that. here for um

I was part I parttook in the um interview for um the URA. They were looking to fill us a vacant spot um that's I think open for at least a year or two and so I was a good of interview and I um have high hopes for the interviewee that and that they would make a good fit. So we'll see when that comes to council what everybody else thinks. Okay, mayor comments. Item C, council, I want to let you know of another opportunity and um we have a real need here. Uh and that is the comprehensive plan work plan committee. It is an ad hoc committee that meets when necessary and or needed that was created by you, the city council, pursuant to Lewis and city code section 2-41B. The purpose of the committee currently consisting of three planning and zoning members, the mayor, two city council members, and we need one and non- voting support staff. This committee recommends initiatives to be pursued to implement goals, objectives, and actions of Envision Lewon 2044, which is our comp plan, our new comp plan. And so when we start talking about parking standards and forestry standards and stuff like that, this is where it happens. Counselors, this is your opportunity to be involved to turn that plan into action. And um we need someone. I serve on that and our city planner Jill Blascon has been asking for a city council member and uh if you can do that that would be very much appreciated and again it's just um once every 3 months or so for an hour at noon Katie Owens had left. I was going to have her comment if you had any questions but um it's really um

council president Kleberg sign you up. Tell me when we'd love to have you there. Clerk Brocky, can you uh document that for me? Get in right. [laughter]

Counselors, I'm going to call you for witnesses and we'll let [laughter] you know. Okay. Appreciate that, Council President Clayberg. We can get on with our work there. Um and I too just want to echo um Director Gordon's comments. her staff worked very hard. Amy worked very hard to bring the ACFR to uh completion and so we're very uh happy about that and the results uh equally happy to have our guest with us tonight. Um thank you for attending for shown an interest in city government. It can long sometimes it can be short sometimes but the topics are varied and uh I find them very interesting. That's why I'm here. That that's why I'm serving. And I know I appreciate uh service of our legal office, too. They're very dedicated. So, thank you for being here. And good luck in your studies, too. I know it's you have a lot of work ahead of you. Counselors. Item D, agenda topics. None. Okay. We'll move to adjournment.

To adjourn. Second. It's been moved by councelor Foresman, second by Council President Clever to those in favor, please signify by saying I. I oppose. We are sure. Thank you, council.