City Council - Regular Meeting

States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, with liberty, with liberty and justice for all. Do that again. Thank you. Uh, city recorder, please call roll. Mayor Jakola, present. Council President Steinhevil, here. Councelor Ki. Councelor Angelford here. Councelor Salvage here. Councelor Mlan here. Councelor Workman here.

Thank you. Let me put these on so I could I could probably I should be able to do that do this without glasses, but I'll make sure I get every word. So, uh we'll move on to consent calendar following items to consider routine and we'll be enacted by one motion. There will not be a separate discussion on these items unless uh councelor so request. In that case, the item will be removed from the consent counter calendar and considered separately. Agenda. Lebanon City Council agenda February 25, 2026. Liquor license for Amazing Thai Cuisine. Is there a motion? Move for approval. Second. Uh consent calendar. It's been moved. Uh there's been a motion to approve. It's been second. All in favor? I. All oppose.

Motion passes. You know, I went to Brownsville City Council meeting last night and I I think I'm the only one that doesn't do this after a motion is approved. Um, I knew I'd get a laugh out of somebody out there. That's going to be a thing. It's gonna be a thing. Probably gonna jump every time he does it. Uh, we have no presentations or recognition tonight. We'll move on to public comments. Is there no public even here? Yeah. So, I'm not going to read that. Um, there really this was just for the consent calendar if I remember correctly. So, items from council. Is there any items from council that you would like to bring up and discuss? No. Not it.

Move on to public press comments. No press in the room. No public lonely in here. It is lonely. See how fast these meetings go. Uh next scheduled council meeting will be March 11, 2026. And this the regular session is adjourned at 12:02. Just wanted to give you a heads up in history. I mean, see, you were worried. Yeah. Set a world record there. Okay. We'll call the order call the meeting to order the work session. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Had to use it. And we'll move on to city manager.

Should I do it again? No, I think we're good.

I think we're good. Uh so uh welcome today. Today uh as we uh uh discussed at the last city council meeting, we would bring in the consultant for the kickoff meeting to begin the exploration of a potential municipal uh jail levy. So I would like to introduce to you Betsy Schultz from PNW Strategies. We are under contract with her currently. Uh Shawn will be up here as well. Everybody knows Sean. Um, she's going to give you an overview of her scope. Uh, I've attached or put at each of your seats uh basically what her uh scope is and then also kind of an outline of what today's meeting will be, but feel free to ask any questions. This is your guys' time to ask those questions uh whatever they may be. I know there was a lot from last time that I couldn't answer and hopefully uh Betsy can answer those for you. Uh, with that, I will turn it over to her and Sean and they can kind of walk through number three, scope of services, what that entails, what it looks like. Uh, get into the polling and lots of questions and conversation, I'm sure. So, with that, thank you, Betsy, for being here and Sean.

Thank Thank you so much. I appreciate it. It's good to meet all of you. Um, I I don't know if you heard any background about me, but I grew up in the Lane rural Lane County area. Uh, came up here to hang out with friends as a kid growing up. I've always loved Lebanon, so it was a a pleasure to get the call and be invited to come and do this work with you. Um I am really passionate about um uh local level politics. I think sometimes uh our state and federal uh uh landscape can get a little fraught and so it's just really relieving to me to be able to actually work on things that make a difference in our community. So this is a really exciting project for me. Um and yeah, so I I have um in the scope of work um there's three phases and as we spoke with the city manager and staff and Sean and kind of talking through how this might best go. Um I think the first phase is really centered around um synthesizing all of the data that you have from when the jail was built, um the budgeting of the city, um what the what the bond situation is for what folks are paying now, the bond coming off, the new potential bond that you're considering, and just all the ramifications of that. So we have all of the data and putting that into a poll so that you all can take a look and make a really informed decision about whether or not you want to move forward with that uh bond proposal or not. So um a lot of the work um over the next week for me will be uh working with a pollster um who I have worked with in the past. He's done a lot of m municipal uh projects um and I've worked with him in other communities. Uh so he's very familiar with um all the various things that one wants to include in a poll. Uh, and so I've sent him the initial the initial scope, but I'm waiting on some of the some of the staff to get back to me on some specific details that we want to make sure that we include in that. Um, but my thought really is, you know, we'll we'll do our best to get all of the polling information back to you by your March 25th meeting. So, you'll have some time to digest that and then we can come back at the following meeting um for any kind of decision for the go no-go and then we can move forward if that is um what you would like to do. Um

do you want me to move into the the rest of the what it could potentially look like or move forward? Yeah, absolutely. If you just get just a brief overview of your scope, I think just to give them a feel. Yes.

Yeah, for sure. So, um once obviously um once the decision is made to move forward with putting the bond out for voters, um the city staff is really limited in what they can and can't say um by law. It's really down to strict um factually based information, no advocacy whatsoever. And so my job in working with your staff would be to make sure that um I am providing the most um uh neutral but very informative and factual information for the staff to be able to disseminate and coming up with creative ways for them to be able to do that. Um whether that's um events in the community. Um I've had really great success with uh things called telephone town halls. It's like a live radio show but it comes to people through their phone line so they can be at home. they can um participate through the phone, hear a live conversation and that could educate them. Potentially the police chief could be in attendance to talk about what this could mean for um for the department, for the community as a whole. So um and then also just you know like print information um being able to have FAQ sheets for folks so they can really get a feel for where the city has been, where it it is, where it's going with the passage of this particular bond. Um and and I think also my job would be to help include um uh we call it grass tops advocacy uh well not advocacy in this case but grassroots education and outreach to uh the business community to other interest groups in the area to make sure that they have the information and can get that out to their particular spheres of influence and also being a conduit of information back to you all and to staff as I'm hearing conversations in the community which you all as counselors I'm sure hear a lot that information as well. Um, but would want to be doing additional work with that. Um, so I would make sure that we would um be on track for making sure that the ballot um that the measure made it onto the ballot um that there was the appropriate um ballot language, working with the clerk

on all of that. uh and then coordinating the educational outreach from the from the city, not any campaign related um information, but just that elected or that uh that educational information. Um and I will say too, and this I I forget if this is included in here at all, but I know other communities that I've worked with. So, I worked with the Springfield um they had a jail levy that they were renewing, and I worked with with their group. And what they ended up doing, and this is something that you all could consider potentially, is there's the the information that staff and the the city uh and the department can share. And then there's also the role of elected officials can say whatever they would like to say outside of that space. And so there's there's room for uh appropriate coordination if there are counselors who want to have a more uh to set up a pack and do uh you know, a more political campaign outside of that. And so there's there's ways that it can be um coordinated so that there's uh thoughtful message sharing that is very uh legal. So that's something that I would obviously be available for if that was something that we wanted to move forward with. So that is the scope. Um the overview of the polling. So I know um there's there's uh mixed feelings I think about how viable polls actually are and how accurate they are. Uh, and it really comes down to, I think, both the um the methodology, how the poll is is implemented. And folks are moving now to often a mix of live phone calls and texts to the uh folks that they feel like would be good respondents for the poll so that they can answer it on their phone. Um, so it's a blend of both. You get better uh responses that way and also better uh spread of demographics. Um, so there's that component of how it's delivered and then there's also the uh science that goes into identifying what are the likely voters that are going to be turning out in this particular election and making sure that the uh poll actually is reflective of the the

turnout. So that's where it really is mostly where the accuracy comes down to is making sure that the modeling for um the projected voter turnout is going to be correct. So, the the pollster that I uh work with is very um very well-versed in making sure that, you know, he'll look at previous uh turnout for Lebanon elections. Um thinking about there's a gubernatorial race, are there any other ballot measures that are going to be turning out or depressing uh voters? And just kind of putting all of that into into the methodology for who we target and um what that would be. Um the as far as the the threshold of support, it's kind of industry standard that if you do a poll and the bond um looks like it's going to be passing at roughly 50% um that's kind of your golden uh stamp of approval. Anything over 60 everyone is very delighted by. um under 45%, you know, it's not uh it's not prohibitive, but at the same time, it's going to require a great deal of effort and it's going to be it would take a lot more than just an education campaign by the city for a measure like that to pass. So, that's kind of the the framework around that. And as far as the questions, um this pollster is really good. You know, he kind of has his set questions that he'll often include in polls. Those will be uh demographics, making sure that we have the right demographics of folks um that match the voter turnout. Um he will probably do a just a general favorability of the city, how people feel about that. Uh top priorities just to kind of see even where public safety falls within what um what citizens are are thinking about these days, what's top of mind for them. And then a pretty uh dialed in um and this will be dependent on um the data that we're able to get from staff as far as um you know kind of people's awareness about the jail you know if they even know that it was closed if they know that um you know and what again the data informs this but um you know how many how many folks are getting

arrested but then immediately released that should actually go to the jail. Uh, and I think the really key component around this one is um if folks are aware of the current bond, what that amount is and the fact that it's suns setting and so this bond measure would actually be from what I understood a reduction in what folks are currently paying. Um, so then there's kind of the um you start at the beginning and uneducated. Do you support a bond or not? Then you go through the messages and then at the end see you know with an educated perspective now would someone vote for it or not? So you can kind of see if the election were held today without any education where folks are and then which particular messages um move the needle we hope. Um and then when we go into the cross tabs of the poll we can see which demographics responded and resonated with which messaging. And so then as we're working with education we can we can say okay if we're going to a more retirement-based community to have a town hall which messages would we want to talk about most or highlight most? So, that's kind of where that can be useful. Um, as far as the sample size, um, for the city of Lebanon, uh, it the pollster said that he would be looking for about 315 respondents, and that would get us to a poll of about a 5.5 margin of error. Um, so that's kind of the the sizing there. And as far as the city messaging um components, um I would not recommend doing anything until the poll is done um just because we would want to make sure that it's uh you're utiliz I I just wouldn't want you to waste time. And I think it also um would allow for a really clean baseline for how folks are feeling without sort of any additional or or upfront uh educating prior to the poll. So, that's kind of my initial run through, but I'm happy to answer any questions. Um, and Sean can also weigh in on anything that I may have forgotten.

I have nothing to add. I feel like Yeah. Thank you, counselor. Yeah. Was that on the record? This is a public meeting, isn't it? Any questions?

Hi. Can you talk to me about the breakdown between like you mentioned text messages versus like phone calls like what the breakdown of that looks like if if the pollster would be looking for a certain amount on the um particularly the phone call ones because I know those that's pretty rich data usually. Yeah, I I my my guess is they would do more more phone calls and then um he often my understanding is he kind of lets the texting part go for a period of time and just kind of however many respondents respond. Um and so that's almost kind of like free information for the city in some senses. Um, but I I think there's I think it's weighted with more live phone calls than the texting and then it gets all blended into the um the demographic modeling to make sure that the respondents are representative if that makes sense.

That makes sense. Yes. Um and then the respondents like is this pollster going to look at more like likely voters or what are we what are we looking for in a respondent I guess is

absolutely I mean so for for a November a November election like this um we there's data that that we have access to where we can go back and look at people who have voted in the last four uh general I guess like gubernatorial general elections you know and so we would target folks who I would say certainly our four of four voters we call them. Sometimes they'll go into three of four just to get the enough sample size, but usually there's enough within that four or four base. So you're not you're not um uh polling people who have voted once out of the last decade of elections. It's the it's the cohort that are the most likely to turn out. Perfect.

Are are the questions polling wise, I'm just trying to imagine just yes or no type questions. Is there any input that is given? And is there any weight on the passion of the answer? Yes. So they will ask u and I might not get this information or this the name correct but basically so they would ask um you know would you support the city issuing a bond um very likely levy. Thank you Levy. Um uh very likely somewhat likely uh not really likely and then very much not. And so yeah you can see the percentages.

But even a phone poll it's not a conversation. I mean there's the there I think that's up to us when we do when we when we decide on the actual questions. Um it can take a lot longer if it's a conversation. So that reduces the number of questions we can ask. But I think as far as the um the the priorities that one often is an open-ended question so that they can get a whole breath versus kind of stacking the deck to say do you care about homelessness, public safety, or the environment? And then people are stuck if those three aren't their priorities, they're still stuck picking one instead of saying what is your priority and then people can just

Is there some kind of phasing to the polls that go out? You said that the texts go out and do you kind of take a sample from that and then readjust how the calls go out or do you get kind of a a scorecard along the way or is it just hey we're at this and it's done? Yeah, that's a good question. I believe that they do um for something like this it would probably run over probably three to five days depending on how long it takes to get to that sample size. Um and so they they only call during certain times of the day because they want to make sure that they can they can get people right. Um so it just kind of depends on how quickly they can make enough connected calls to get through to get to that size.

I got you. Thank you. Where does the uh pool of phone numbers come from? Yeah, it comes from originally it comes from the Secretary of State um their voter role that they keep and then um I don't know where this particular pollster gets his data from, but there's vending firms that get that that uh government data and then they blend it with a whole bunch of other uh demographic data, your shopping data, your just like everything to try to figure out as much about you as you as they can. So, um they get pretty granular on who knowing who those particular people are. Um but it originates from the Secretary of State

and all these people are verified to be uh citizens in Lebanon though. Yes. Yes. And active and actively registered to vote. So I mean over the last 50 years you got to turn your mic on

the uh just the rise in you know caller ID spam uh rooc callers and all of that kind of stuff. How reliable do you believe and how but of a cross-section really is it um given the number of people now and some some people claim it's you actually get about 1% of the people you try to call that actually answer the poll you know how how reliable do you believe uh current polling is the ability to make those polls other than a face-toface conversation with somebody

yeah it's a it's a really good question I mean I don't answer my phone unless I know who it is um unless I'm in particularly really spicy mood. So, um I I hear that. Um and yet there are still people who do and so I think we still have to do the live calls, but I think that's where the the texting augmentation comes from too just to try to get more in a broader demographic. But um I will just say like the the there's all of the respondents that we get and then we go I say we the royal we the pollster who actually knows how to do this goes through and make sure that all of the respondents fit within the demographics that we see that are representative of the community and not just of the community as a whole but of the likely pool of voters to vote. So, um, we we won't just be given numbers that are reflective of the 1% of people that answered the phone that may or may not actually vote. We'll know that they are the likely voter and some of them will come from the phone and some of them will come through the other.

Have there been studies to show what the what kind of the demographics or who are the people that are most likely to answer the phone and take a poll? I'm sure there are. I don't know off the top of my head. I think of my grandparents. That's what first comes to mind. I think it tends to be older retirees. That's what I was thinking too, who tend not to support taxes,

but they do tend to be supportive of public safety, though. So there is, you know, and again, it comes back to we're going to make sure that the 315 or so valid responses that you get are based off of the age demographic that's representative of who is going to be turning out their ballots, um, gender, uh, party affiliation, um, and frequency of voting.

Last question, I promise, and I'm sorry. The, uh, uh, what's the caller ID going to show when this when the pollster calls? I don't know that off the top of my head. I think it I I think it's just a you know whatever their office number is. I would imagine that they would they would get your local number, but I would need to confirm that. Yeah. It wouldn't say the city of Lebanon. What's that? It wouldn't say the city of Lebanon as No, I know. But I mean, even if it's a 503 or an 800 number, your odds of having somebody answer go way way down, right? Yeah. Yeah. A random 888 number. Spam. That's that's got to get answered. Yeah.

Is there any in the demographic points, is there anything u tread lightly financialbased, homeowner based, any of that kind of stuff that weighs into it? It can. I mean, I I I would question you all if you feel like that would be helpful information for you to know. We could certainly include that. That may be something and I I will make a note to check and see. It may be something that they know in the in the the voter data information that they get. So, I'll I'll check on that. Okay.

And I know we're talking about polling now, but I mean, we voted unanimously to to that we want this on the ballot and I think that we want it to pass. You do the polling. How can you consult with us to send the right message or can you or do you? Yes. So, I would work with the city to take the information from the poll and package that in the most uh neutrally uh persuasive way. I got you. Okay. Thank you. So, on on this particular uh issue, uh are the polling questions already developed or is that a later step?

So, they haven't been fully fully created yet. Um there's kind of the generic ones that he generally does and then uh I have sent him a draft of kind of the where I would envision needing to poll. Um and then he does a really good job of editing those because I'm not a pollster. So I just come up with a question. He's like, "Well, you really do need to say it this way." Because um he he's used to seeing um how to frame things to get the most accurate answer, not an answer that you might want, you know, um to get you the best the best outcome. And so I will be working with uh the city manager and staff to make sure that we have all of the the information that's needed and that's correct to be able to test.

We've had a lot of conversation about getting this, you know, other party, the pollster involved and stuff. um to me to it seems like this could be really simple and just a flyer put in the uh next uh utility billing say, "Hey, do you want to have a uh do you want to reopen the jail? Here here's the information blah blah blah." You know, um put it in with your next bill and mail it back if if if you agree. Um have is is there a opportunity to explore alternate means?

I mean, that would be up to you all. Um I'm just here to to provide information. So, that's certainly a method you could consider. I think the tricky part around that would be you would get information for sure. Um, but you wouldn't necessarily be able to have a really great correlation between who's sending it back and their likelihood to vote and their um, you know, the just making sure that the the numbers that you got back would really be indicative of who turned out at the ballot. So, you know, it would be a source of information. I feel like it would be a bit more anecdotal than I think the utility bill might get more people who are mad at us for our utility bill. Well, and if I can if I can add a small going to say that

and and timing wise that'd be tough because I think we're looking to get results back by the meeting the 25th. That's a month away.

Yeah. So, if I can add a small thing to that. So, our utility bills, yes, they go out every month. At this point, we we've already sent the ones for that we're going to send now. This wouldn't be able to go on the next bill until the end of March. So timing wise wouldn't work. And we have a lot of folks, we do a lot more uh eistribution of bills uh out through email that doesn't have a lot of these messages, right? Most people don't even look at the bill if they receive the bill, right? They're looking at the number. They're looking to write the check and maybe grunt a little bit while doing so. Um but ultimately, we don't get a lot of participation off of those bills. Just for for comparison sake, we did put um like that city communications survey on the utility bill and I what was the overall number? Not necessarily from the utility bill, but just how many participants in that communication survey?

Oh, for the uh the communication survey that we just did. Oh, I think we had 70ome. Yeah. So, it wasn't it wasn't a good unfortunately, it's not a good um yes, it gets out there to a few people, but a lot of folks don't read through that, unfortunately.

The best the best sample would be, and you guys may not like this, but you know, there's seven of you here. If if uh if you all went out and talked to 50 people at random in each of your uh each of your wards and come back, you'd have a sampling of 350. Anyways, I I I I I I do I used to be fascinated with polling when it used to and I just have less less confidence because of what I was saying. I just it makes me nervous and they seem to getting less and less reliable. But I I see it as a great tool and I have a lot of respect for that all the science and technology and and numbers that go into proper polling.

So the I think on the March 25th meeting the poster would be here. Correct. And and give an overview. Okay, that'd be perfect because then then I haven't confirmed a schedule yet, but yes, we Okay, perfect. In the in the meantime, would we get some sort of copy of what the questions were more specifically so we'd know what was being asked? Okay. So, if those go out, when would you expect those questions to go out to the public or be asked? Yeah, I would think around the week of March 11th. Okay. Would be doable. Yeah. Okay. So, we could we could bring those back to the uh council meeting or I can email them to the council as well if if we get them before if that if that works for y'all. Yeah.

Unless you're wanting to be involved in the creation of the questions. Well, I think it might be nice to see like a rough draft of them or something ahead of time just so I got an idea because I I get I've taken I don't answer my phone and I I'm kind of the same concern if somebody's phone if my phone I'm in the collections business. Nobody answers our phone calls. We text them, they answer on their own time. But that does concern me and I'd like to at least have a draft of the questions kind. We can definitely get you a draft. I think if you you wouldn't be able to necessarily make any changes to that draft as an individual. That's not what a draft is called. Sorry. That's a final copy.

Yes. So, um, so yeah, I mean you we'll definitely get you those, but is there a possibility? They did this the Springfield one. Is it possible to share the questions that were asked in that polling? I don't think I don't know if they did polling in that one. Um but I I will I will dig back in my files and see what I can find. Okay. Yeah. The other thing is we you could postpone a bit and we could push a little and you could bring back the questions that we're going to be asked to March 11th council meeting for the council to debate those questions. Otherwise, you're not going to get a real if if you see something that you don't like it. No, I didn't.

You necessarily change that based on that. I mean, I think I think that's kind of putting pressure taking the way they do these and and again, I have experience with them a long time ago is, you know, there's you're paying for the uh for them to write ask the right questions. Yes. and and and any in influence that this council has in what those questions are may in may impact the result either negatively or positively. Um and that's not what you want. You want as good a results as we're possible to get. Yeah. Um and I mostly want to know because if somebody asked us about, hey, I got this poll. I think you can get notification of what the questions are going to be very easily. Okay. Yeah. We we can definitely do that. And

I' just like to know that ahead of time before they popped out and people Yeah. And before the uh if they're if they're out before the March uh meeting, we'll we'll we'll send them out on email. Perfect. Having worked on other polls, when it does this pollster going to give them some information and then build that information as they go and see if their views change by the end. So, you know, maybe they didn't know the jail was closed and at the end of the poll, they've they've learned, you know, the jail was closed for X reason and the bond comes. They've learned all this information and then they've changed their mind. Is that captured in the poll, too?

That's my understanding. Yeah, I I don't have a draft of it yet. Um I just sent him a bunch of information and but my understanding is that yes, they do the the initial would you support this or not? And then here's the various messaging that we know. Um and kind of want to test to see do people care about the fact that people are getting arrested and then have nowhere nowhere to go. There's no accountability for them. Um and then yeah, at the end then there's that kind of informed ballot question so you can see the swing from one to the other. Perfect. Yep. That's what I'm was most interested in seeing in the draft is that progressive or progression in questions and if it change, you know, if there's an opportunity at then for them to change their mind. So,

you know, I'm glad you asked that question because I was sitting here thinking about if you were to ask them, would you support opening the jail? And most people most likely would be like, well, would it be more tax money, right? But we have the opportunity because we have a a bond that's falling off and they actually would increase their ser city services services at a lower rate than they're currently paying. And I know a lot of people like well yeah of course they like to see savings and I wasn't sure. I'm glad you asked that because I I'm naive to polling. I am. And I'm I'm glad you asked that because now I understand, okay, that's how they'll go about that and that question would be in that,

you know, additional information for later on. So, okay. Yeah. And my my understanding in the initial conversation that I had with the pollster was with this budget of $7,500, we can get between 10 to 15 questions depending on how long the questions are and involved. Um, so you know, there won't be a large progression given that we need to do some of those demographic questions, but I there will be enough to be able to get that before and after. Is that um you mentioned the texting polling.

Is that pretty much just a yes or no? I'm I'm trying to think how you'd get a poll answer from a text that is just reply. Yes, if you're in support, no if you're not. Or is there is there like some kind of computer program that's sending out additional questions as the answer? So, it's a kind of I I don't know if you've seen like kind of Google Sheets or not Google Sheets, but Google forms before where you know you you fill in you answer one thing and then kind of the next option comes up for you. So, if you're looking at it on a on a a phone screen, there's one question and then you answer that and then the next one pops up. So, it's a link to a survey. Correct. Okay. Yeah, that makes sense.

Yeah. Yeah. And then there will also be the um it I haven't seen this particular pollster um but because I haven't been in territories I haven't lived in territories and been his demographic but I've seen other ones like this where there'll be the question and it'll be like do you somewhat support you know very much support you know so they give you those options too. So it's basically you get the exact same uh ability for nuance that you would with the live call. I'm just thinking out loud here. It seems like to me that that the text to a survey, especially if it's at Lebanon and you're a Lebanon resident, you'd be more apt to do that than a phone call going Clamoth Falls. Who's Cuz I get those all the time, right?

You know, a Google number, right? Um, so I kind of lean towards like the text thing where it's like, "Hey, would you be willing to do a survey for city Lebanon concerning whatever, you know, the jail reopening or whatever?" Mhm. because I think there'd be more people that would respond to that because it's kind of that safety thing. Oh, it's from Lebanon. Okay, I can hit that. Now they somebody's somebody's going to see a link in there and they're be scared to click on the link, too. Well, the other thing that's why we get them with the live calls and then then and then the other thing is you do answer those calls and the first ring and you say hello and no one answers.

They're waiting for you to say another word and then they pick it up. Then I hang up on them. So I, you know, would that be the same thing with with this type of polling where the the person on the other end of the line, not that responded, but the person asking the questions would be waiting for them to say is there a delay? Yeah, I honestly don't know what their like if they have a calling software or quite what that what that um looks like. I I do know for a fact that their their co the the firm is an Oregon firm, but their calling center is based in Idaho and they make sure that people sound um uh Got it. from this area. Okay. Message received. Not tech support.

They don't get nice Georgia accents, unfortunately. And for the word redneck, no. There we got your quote for the week. Yeah, I was going to say there's his quote for the week. Here it is. Plus, Dave, no media that's present. Yeah. Is there uh any other on that note, is there any other questions? I was I would say just keep it simple and honest. I think the text are best idea. Simple and honest. Yeah. You need you need the most most informed information to be or the best information to make the most informed decision

as long as it's molded to our whims. So just kidding. It's a joke. So we'll get a list of questions emailed out to the city council and away we go. Thank you. Final questions or a draft, right? Final. We'll get the final question. Yeah. Yeah. Or if you want the draft, I can get those too. We can do draft final. Yeah, if it's going to be the same. Those words don't really go together. 220 221. Just get us a list of the question. I had questions about the questions ahead of time. I I just didn't think it was made sense to have like a debate in the city council meeting over the questions. I'm I actually agree with you. I just want to make sure we're all on the same page.

We will get the final question emailed out to you. How's that? Thank you. Okay. Does that conclude this? I think we're good. Is that everything? Any other questions or comments? Not for me. Okay. I I need this today. If you go and get Thank you so much and uh look forward to this poll. So on that note, nope, I didn't. That wasn't a strike. This meeting is adjourned at 12:36. Quiet.