Planning and Zoning - Regular Meeting

to stand. Join me in the pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you. I'd like to call this meeting to order. 411 Republican. Thank you. And can we have a roll call, please? Yes. Mr. Maxi here. Mr. Andrew Salasan here. Mr. Oliver Lebron here. Mr. Charles Wensber. Star Forum, Mr. Chair.

Thank you very much. May I have a motion to approve the agenda? I move that we approve the agenda as uh stated here. Very well. Do I have a second? Second. All those in favor? I very well. I have it. Agenda is approved. Gentlemen, have you had an opportunity to review the minutes? And if so, are there any changes or can I have a a motion to approve the minutes of the last meeting? Move. uh that we approve the minutes as very well. Do I have a second? I'll second. All those in favor? I

I I abstain. I wasn't here. Okay. So moved and passed. Okay. I will now ask uh for uh public comments. Okay. Um, if you haven't signed in to to uh comment, um, please let us know. But I will call on the first person if we may. I can't I can't read the first name. I apologize. Dan Madrid. What's that? Paula Madrid. I'm sorry. I just couldn't read the first name. Uh, M. Madrid. Mrs. Madrid.

Oh, you didn't want to comment. This just the just the signage. Okay. Very well. Tom J. No, I don't need Tom Jacobson. Okay, Lisa. I got it confused. Oh, okay. That's the public, but they probably signed up on that as a sign. I'm just going to go through each name and you let me know if you want to comment. Okay, guys. Uh, so Lisa Jacobson, did you want to speak? Yes. Very well. Please come up and we've got you for three minutes. Okay.

Okay. I live at 706 Sapio Street, which is that little squib of Montazuma Avenue just before the falloff on Kavanaaugh Street and Montazuma Avenue continues.

We've been there for seven years and despite repeated attempts for us to ask the city to maintain that road in that area, which is theirs, Yes. It's all been denied. We get no snow plowing up there. The road, Montazuma Avenue, which belongs to the city of Las Vegas, we repair, we buy gravel, we have it graded in order to do that for ourselves. The road up to that property that's under consideration is not paved and quite honestly, it's fallen apart. So you talk about bringing more traffic, more people on a road that the city has shown little to no interest in maintaining as far as basic infrastructure is concerned is a nightmare from our perspective.

All right. Thank you so much. Appreciate your your comments. Uh David Garcia. Say David Garcia. Yes, sir.

Garcia Garcia mean I live in 811 Sapo Street. Actually, I live in Albuquerque, but I'm retiring and my intentions are to move to back here to 811 Sapo. I've been working on it for about 15 years. I can't say much now because I don't know what's going to happen just by reading your car letter. I don't see a map or I can say yay or nay or so right now I'm blank. I can't say any I don't know what you're doing. Then the the letter itself explains it but doesn't show me something I need to see. Okay. And Scott will be going over that. No. Okay. Thank you.

All right. Thank you, Mr. Garcia. Enz Garcia. Oh, I'm just here. Very well. Uh, Michael Garcia. Yeah. Hi. How are you? Real good. Yourself? Good. Good. My name is Michael Garcia. I live on 805 Montazuma Street, White House, right next to where you guys want to build.

Uh, anyways, um, like she said, the the roads haven't been taken care of for many, many years. Um, we've our family has lived up there for 50 to 70 years on that hill. These are all my brothers and sisters behind me. Not all of them, but a good portion of them that got letters to that area. And uh, are we still going to be able to get up here and talk about what you guys are doing and everything besides the reszoning? Do you guys have like plans, site plans, anything that we can look at and see exactly what you guys are doing? Again, Scott will be reviewing that in a moment. And if you wish to uh to then testify uh a little later, we we can do that also. Yeah. Because right

now I mean you guys are just going to ask us questions for and against the zoning and that's it. Or right now we're just public comment whatever comment you'd like to have. All right. All right. Well, yeah. I mean, she kind of nailed it in that part question, but we do want to speak again, you know. Okay. Okay. Joe Garcia.

Hi. Hi, Mr. Garcia. How are you, sir? Good. My name is Jim Garcia. I live in Albuquerque. Okay. Um, we all have owned family uh property here in the area. My other brother Michael spoke. My family's been for about 70 years. Yeah, the Dominguez that used to own the restaurant, okay, own one part of the top of that hill. My family owns the other parts.

Um, what we we don't want to see happen is an apartment complex is going to depreciate the existing properties closest to to the u the homes that we have right now. So, we do want to see in advance what you all have in mind what you're thinking of doing. I know what R2 is. R3 is commercial. I know I understand all that. So do we. But we want to make sure that that uh we're not looking at an apartment complex that's going to be section 8. Okay. Or something that's going to take values down. Yeah. And I think Scott will come to that in a minute. Yeah, I think Scott will cover that. Yes, sir. Yes, sir.

Okay, that's all I have to say for now. Mr. Garcia, thank you so much. Barbara Garcia,

can we just comment after we actually see what's what's going on? Well, public comment is is right now and then if you'd like to testify uh after the presentation, then I will I will actually swear you in and you can you can testify from there. Okay. Yes, ma'am. Hi, Barbara. I'm also here with my brothers here and we're here for the same situation. If we can also um get the same information, but we can comment. Yes, ma'am. I appreciate it. Yes, ma'am. Thank you so much. Thank you. And we have uh Teresa Foster.

Okay. And Roseanne Archletta. Uh yes, sir. I do want to comment, but I'd prefer to Oh, come on. Come I would like to comment, but I would prefer to wait till after you guys explain exactly what's going on. Very well. Because I have per uh a statement I'd like to read to y'all. Would you like to read it at this? You want me to do it now? Sure. Sure. It' be a good It'd be a good time for a statement.

Okay. My name is Rosanne Archeletta and I live at 8:15 Sappeo Street, right next to the property being considered for resoning. I'm here respectfully opposing the request to reszone 659 Sapayo Street for a multiple multifamily apartment complex. First reason, this part of Sapayo is entirely single family homes. Our neighborhood is quiet, low density, and well-maintained. Allowing R2 zoning here would bring a level of density that does not fit the size or character of our street. It would place a large multi-unit building in an area that has never been designed for that type of development. Number two, Las Vegas has been dealing with water and infrastructure issues for years, especially after the fires. The city is still working on major upgrades in our water system before high before adding higher density housing. We need to make sure that water, sewer, electricity uh capacity can actually support it on our block. We already see power interruptions. So adding a complex like like this would raise real concerns about li reliability. Number three, Sappeo Street is a small residential road. It is not built for the amount of traffic and parking a multifamily complex would bring. More cars, more turning, more movement, more parking on street that will be harder and less safe for neighbors, children, and even emergency vehicles. At a minimum, a traffic study should be completed before any reszoning is

approved. Number four, because my home directly borders this property, the impact the impact on me will be significant. A two or threetory building right in front of my house will block views, reduce my privacy, and bring noise and lights much closer than anything that is exists today. the effects will the that affects my quality of life, my value of my home. I've worked very hard for I also want to point out that there are better locations for a multifamily housing like Mills Avenue, the area already zoned and used for high density development. those spots made more. This spot makes more sense and would have far less impact on established single family neighborhood like ours. For all these reasons, I respectfully ask the board to deny the zoning change or at least delay the decision until full studies can be done on traffic, utilities, and overall impacts. Thank you for your time and for listening to the concerns of those of us who will be directly affected.

Thank you very much. And I also I also made a a personal uh letter that I'd like for you guys to to file away see look at could leave it with uh M. Ortiz. I appreciate that. Thank you so much. Very well done.

Okay. All right. Can I have a motion to open the hearing on item A and B? Number one, item A and B for the uh approval or disapproval for the uh application to vacate the plat at 659 Sapo Street. And I get a motion just to open the hearing. I would like I make I move to open the hearing. Very well. Can I have a second?

Second that. Okay. Uh all those in favor? I thank you so much. I will uh now ask uh Scott, would you like to present? Would you like for us to get a laptop so we can put some drawings up? Might be a nice idea. Yes. So, can we get a recess to do that for a few minutes and gather it? Would you like me to swear you an hour now in a moment? Probably when he gets back then I'll go grab that laptop and we could throw it up on the screen so they can see what what the what the renderings look like.

Yes, I think that's a very smart idea. Cut.

Can you speak to the public, please? What's going on? I'm not sure. I don't want to get these in our mail. I usually get sitting here.

There you go. Oops. Yes. Are you ready, Scott?

Yes, sir. Very well. Can I have you raise your right hand? Do you solemnly swear that the testimony that you are about to give in this matter shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? Yes, sir. So, help me God. Thank you. Thank you. Let the record show that Mr. Ortiz and Mr. Mr. Marcus were also sworn in at the same time. Please.

Okay. Good afternoon, uh, chairman and board members. So, we'll be asking for two separate things. So, the first hearing is on the vacation of Monteuma Street. Uh, let me see if I can get this to scroll down. Is is there any way that you can present from your from your desk just so that the public can see you? Okay. Is that a possibility or you wouldn't be able to reset? Oh, okay. Oh, okay. Okay. I didn't know it was hard blood.

No problem then. I'm trying to get this to scroll down.

So, this would be Monty's. Um, let me start from the beginning. 659 Sapio is the former Elto Supper Club. The city acquired that property. Um, so there was a dedicated street between the two tracks of property there. One is owned commercial, one is owned residential. So, the street is not improved and hasn't been used. So, we were asking for the vacation of that street. Um, it's one block. And if you've got your maps, this is kind of a a drawing showing of what we in would like to do. Uh this is in the infancy stages with the city. But if we could vacate that section of Montizuma, not the part across the street from Sapio between Kavanagh and Sapio. We're not talking about that section. Only the section that was in with the Elto Supper Club. That's that's the first item is is the vacating.

Is it a usable street at this point in time? No, sir. It is not. In your packet, you do have photos that show it's fenced off and it's not used and not improved. Okay.

We're considering question the vacation. So I'm saying over here on the on this plot over here that's there's a lot 45 and lot 38 and the vacated is the one that you marked in green right? Yes sir. That's what we're looking at. Yes. As far as this this is concerned right now. So the intention of this is to make it one contiguous lot al together. One one contiguous track of property. Yes sir. So once we vacate this street, we're still going to have one area that's C1 and one that's R, what is R3? R3. R3, C1, R3. So that will be separate. Yes. So when we vacate this property right here, what will the zoning come in as?

Well, what as we do the vacation? I'm not sure. I'm going to uh defer to my director. If we vacate that street, what would it come in zoned as? Well, that would come in. Well, it has to be an acre lot. So it's not going to be that. So that's just going to be a vacation. The street would fall into the zone that the property is in right now. So it's not an acre track. It'd be a oneacre track. So what would it what with the zone? Because the the reason I'm asking is cuz we're we're we're going to be reconsidering the reszoning of

That's So you're vacating the street. So the street the street will become a piece of the property. At that same time, he's going to be asking for reszoning the entire property. So it's that's we don't it's not going to fall into anything. it doesn't it wouldn't meet any of the the zoning ordinances for the city of Las Vegas. So that street that's within the Alto supper club property um would just become Yeah, that's C1, right? The supper club, the one next door.

And basically when you do vacate a property, 50/50 uh is a is the split. So 50% would go to probably the C1 and the 50% would go to the R R3. And then from there, he's going to ask for the the whole property to become uh the zone that he's requesting. Okay, understood. And I just ask him so that maybe the audience if they have any questions in reference to that can also understand the same, you know, what is going on as well. I mean, yeah. Yes. So, anything on the north side of Sao Street, uh we're not asking anything for that. It's all within the property of of uh the Alto, well, the city of Las Vegas's property that used to be formerly the Alto Alto Supper Club.

Understood. Thank you, Mr. Mr. Sweeney and no questions at this time. Okay. R3. So the property that's R3 is the red and red, right? That'll be 38. 38. Is that the parking lot for Elato? It might have been at one time. Yeah, actually right now it's just weeds.

So the the driveway that that used to turn in to go to Alto Supper Club is actually was actually Montazuma Street according to the maps. It goes straight through all to Crystal Circle, but they used to use it as they used to use as parking lot. So that's there's no way to get across. Yeah. There's no way. That's the dead end. The dead end's right there at that property level. Okay. Oh, question. Isn't Elatoto? Is that the robo sitting there? The supper club has been locked down. The supper supper club has been gone for about two years. Three years around there. Just there's a pile of rubble. No, there's there's nothing there. Not just flat land.

Flat. Okay. What street would uh people access the proposed uh building? So the proposed homes would be um entered from Sapio. We would have to replplat the entire property into the to the single lots. So they would not be turning up New Mexico on I don't know what street that they would turn up New Mexico onto Sapio and then you would enter they would enter their properties from Sapio. Okay. And Sapio is the street that with the hill

the big hill. Okay. Okay. Okay. The other one would be Techote, right? On the on the other side. There's Kavanagh. There's Kavanagh down to the to the north side and then you got the Crystal Circle to the other side. Okay. Okay. All right. So, just vacating that the street at this particular point in time. Yes sir. Does not affect does not change any outlook on anybody's property at this point in time. Correct. That is correct. Okay. It is not being used as a street. No sir.

So if I'm correct and I think I am just to get a little summary on it is we are simply trying to change a vacant lot which is a supposed to be a street just to a vacant lot with uh residential uh residential zoning. Am I correct? At at this point half that lot at this point just the lot. Yes. Just turning that into a lot instead of a street. Correct. Okay. Okay. Can we speak? Excuse me. Give us a moment. We'll be right with you. Go ahead.

Will this be privately owned by LLC? Have we sold this? I mean, do we have any We We have not sold the property. It would be owned by the city of Las Vegas. Okay. Okay. But as far as the plans, do we have anything in the works for these plans?

We're in our infancy stages right now. So, we've had a concept um of what could happen um if we were to move forward with what we've been working on. We had a a concept drawing of what we could do and we could put in 13 town homes there. Um so they would be individually owned um by um basically through housing New Mexico we would be working in conjunction with and these homes would be people take the term wrong. So affordable workforce housing it's not lowincome housing. It would be um building homes that could then be purchased by people who work in the service industries in the city, the schools, the hospitals, those those type of folks. So, um

we do not want that in our area. It does not fit in. We need a point of order. We need a point of order, please. So, since we're talking about that, Mr. recon. So with my knowledge in general construction, so we'd be using what would be the lot line uh separation between the houses. Would there be zero lot lines, three foot um you know firewalls? The the original concept design would be built with two units having a um a joining wall and then there would be space between the next units. It would be a don. Yes, sir. Yeah. environment kind of.

So between the two next units, we'd have the required setbacks, for example. Yes, sir.ated by the by the city by the city ordinance, and then there was room that the fire department looked at it so that they'd have room to be able to get between the units, have their uh enough space for the hose line. Yeah. So be a 7 foot setbacks as required. Yes, sir. Down the line. Yes, sir. Well, yeah, they they'd meet the the standard requirements. The only the only thing we're talking about is a zero lot line between the two town homes, house A, house B, with a firewall in between. That is correct. As as it is. Yeah, I

I'll leave that up to the up to the board, sir. Very well. Okay. Um, Mr. Yes, correct. Okay. My understanding is that if we vacate what would have been Monizuma Street for that one block, half goes to the west uh to the west and half goes to the east lot. Yes. Yes, sir. That would be correct. Okay. And what is the total uh width of that Monazuma? That uh on the plat it shows that that street's width is 80 feet. 80 80 feet. Yes, sir. 80. Thank you, Scott. Yes, sir.

Okay. Thank you, Scott. Any as far as the the board is concerned, any further questions for So, right now, we're only discussing the vacation of the propert of the lot. Yeah. Not the procedure. Not not the rest of it. No, sir. Okay. Okay. Uh I do understand there's some public uh uh there's some people in the audience who would like to speak and uh I I understand that we we did tell you that you would have an opportunity to speak. Uh whoever would like to speak at this point in time may I ask you to stand up? Everybody Everybody that wants to speak

please stand up. I'm going to swear you in is what I'm going to do. Okay. All right. May I ask you to raise your right hand? Do you solemnly swear that the testimony that you are about to give in this matter shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? So, help you God. Okay. Thank you. And do we need the names of each person that was sworn in? I I can probably state their name for the When you come up, we'll state your name. Okay. All right. Scott, would you like them to to stand next to you or just I think it's Mr. Garcia. Yes. Yes, sir. Please, please come up and Yeah. My name is Michael Garcia again.

Yes, sir. So, I'm the one that has a house right on the corner of Mont. Okay. This guy's proposing that he wants to take the road on the other side of the of the of Sappo Street. Yes. So, Montazuma comes in and it it ends there. Of course, they blocked it off. The city blocked it all off his fence like it wasn't a road or they own property. Okay. So, I understand he's trying to get that road so he can build his units right on top of that road that's existing, right? Even though nobody's using it right now at this time because they city came in and threw a fence and blocked it all off.

Now, people like us have been living there a long time. me, myself, my brothers, all of us. We were using that road for access to get to the other property and and drive our ATVs, UTVs, all that stuff. Now, this guy's trying to take over and purchase the property. Is this guy the builder or he's a city planner, sir? He's a city planner. He works for the city of Las Vegas. So, you guys are trying to take the zoning over and take the road over and put a building on top of it so that you can complete your 13 units. Okay. Uh, so that's what's going on. Uh, as far as me. Yes, sir. I live there in the corner. I'm definitely against it. You know, I'm here. We love the hill. It's quiet. We don't want all this traffic.

Okay. So, we're all pretty much going to, you know, vote for the same thing. It's been so quiet up there. And 13 units, that's a lot of traffic. You're talking about seven person per unit or what was it? Three. Three. I kind of forgot what it was. I was okay. That's a lot of people. So, how many people are you planning on putting up there? The common amount. 13 units times what? Depends on how many people are going to be in there. Well, how many people are going to be in there? Because you because if you're going to build it for a certain amount of people, 13 people, then you're going to have to multiply 13 people times 13 units. You max out. Doesn't mean it's going to be full capacity.

And it could be it could be family, sir. It could be a single person. We're we're we're not targeting uh anybody other than we're trying to get p people that are professionals like doctors and and professors and that's the type of people we're trying to get for these homes. They're not I know one of you guys said that it's low they're low income. These houses start at 250,000. So it's it's not something that's going to be cheap, but it's definitely something construction out of Albuquerque Rio Rancho area and I know what multif family does and how they do it. We're doing our own units. They're 300 $350,000 per unit. Yeah. So, I I already know what's what they're doing and what he's proposing and what's going to happen, you know.

But after it's all said and done, you know, I don't know if you guys are going to sell it. Is the city keeping it or is city selling? It would be to be resold. The city does not want to. So, it's going to be resold to somebody private. Yes, sir. Each So, once you guys sell it to somebody private, you guys are no longer going to have control of that property. people are going to do what they're going to want to do, there'll be stipulations in the in the in the contracts. So once somebody owns the property and the city turns it over and sell it to somebody, so what we're trying to avoid, what we're trying to avoid with the with the with the papers that we're putting together, the stipulations that we're putting together is uh contractors coming and buying it and trying to flip it for resale. We want to make sure that the person that buys it is is looking for longevity and then that's But there's no guarantees.

Well, but the way you write off the contract guarantees it. There's no guarantees, you know, in the final land. You guys are going to sell the city's going to sell it. Private owner is going to come in, then it's going to be on them to sell it. We'll buy it. It'll never go anywhere. I mean, yeah, that's what we said about the property that they're Yeah. So, you know, Mr. Garcia, for that reason, you know, you know. Okay. Thank you, Mr. Garcia. I appreciate it. Mr. Garcia, I do want to state that there was a neighbor who complained about the ATVs going across that property and that was why it was blocked off. Oh, okay. So, it was one of the neighbors on the hill. So, yeah, we're

Well, I'm just I'm just saying, Mr. Garcia, I'd like to ask Excuse me for the rest of the crowd if we could keep it down uh comments and we allow Mr. Garcia to speak and answer any questions. Go ahead, Mr. sells it. So you own the home right here on Montazuma across the road across from right on the corner of Montazuma. And you how long have you resided there? I've grown up there all my life. So you were there while Elto was I've been a kid. I was born 57 years I've been there. So you know about people coming and going.

Oh yeah. I grew up in that stuff. I know up about cars when they ran the restaurant, supper club. You know, I was there growing up as a kid. Yeah, I'm sure that was somewhat exciting and not every once in a while. We're just trying to see your comments. So, knowing that you grew up in the area where it was commercial and there was people going back and forth, I mean, yeah, it was all family back then. It was the Dominguez family and it was all the daughters and stuff. Okay. So, it was their families and our family, right? Dominguses, Garcia, those are the only two in the hill back then as I was growing up. And do you live in the house now or do you live out?

I live here. I live in Rio Rancho and I'm I do work out of town. So I'm always out of town. I'm in and out. In and out. Sure. Understood. I appreciate. But this is my full fulltime house that I'm coming to soon and I definitely do not want all that traffic on that hill, you know. Appreciate it. Any other night? No, it's only Thank you so much. I'm going to I'm going to go to next. Who was next? Please and forgive me for not the oldest brother, but I'm one of the oldest. All right. Also, Mr. Garcia. What's his first name?

What's his first name? Give me your first name again, sir. And I apologize. It's just My name is David Garcia. David. Okay. David children. Thank you. Go ahead. I also live in Albuquerque. Okay. I was born in Las Vegas. Went to West Las Vegas. Sure. Grew up in the house. My brother just put thousands and thousands of dollars to remodel that house. And I am talking blood, sweat, and tears.

When I came out of the service, when I came back from Vietnam, my dad gave me a piece of lot in the back, and I built me a cabin. Took me about five years to finish that cab. I'm wanting to move back, but the letter I received from you guys because obviously they're going to do something. No, I'm kind of reluctant to move because of the size of those buildings. Okay.

The amount of people that are going to live here, every I assume that every unit going to have at least two or three cars. They're too close together. So I keep thinking, do I come back here or forget it or I sell and I move out? My brother just I just sold him up at my back back where my big barn is at. Now he's have you know he's reluctant and I I look at your map this way and I I'm a contractor. I retired about 15 years ago. But that map doesn't quite show the rest of the people. My sister, my my friend Rosanne doesn't quite explain it to us. We see it and it's ugly. It It's Whoa. And I'm sure that's not the way it looks. If you could see a better copy of a map or a better distance of the buildings that where the walls are going to go, there's a consideration right there for all of us. But what I see now, I would say no, absolutely not. Don't like it. And not just because it belongs to the GarcAs on that side, but because too many people and a small quiet little area that peaceful all this time. I can't imagine what it's going to look like if you build in two three years from now. People are going to come and go. There's no work in us. So you get the all these situations you have in us. So you you find somebody at a cost of what 250,000.

That's not very high end. It's not a high end either. That's all I have to say. The explanation on your map does not do anything for me. Any uh board? Any any questions for Mr. Garcia? Yes, sir. Um, how long have you been in Albuquerque? I've been Albuquerque 50 some years. Thank you. I've been to Las Vegas every other week. Appreciate it. Thank you very much, Mr. Chair. I need I need to request a recess. My my shooters out of I need Okay, go ahead. Go right ahead. We We can continue.

We have our Please go right ahead, sir. All right. Thank you, Mr. Garcia. I appreciate Yes, sir. Thank you. I think uh the next person is is that is it Barb Barbara? Barbara, I'm sorry. Thank you. Thank you, Barb. Barbara Garcia, please. Hi, I'm Barbara. Um I'm opposing uh about this apartments. Um I don't agree with them coming up for the fact like my brother said that we did grow up in that house. Yes.

Um it's going to bring a lot of traffic for one and also to um that that property was given to me and my brothers as um property for us to be able to be memorable and have memories

for us. So having those apartments being built there is going to be um it's going to drop down our property values, you know, if we ever decided to sell, which we're not, but um it's just going to bring too much um chaos and too much traffic. We do have a dead end. So we don't want that to happen. So um I don't feel that that would be the right decision for the city to make. Um, we do I hope you guys can understand that if you guys can honor that. Sure. Can we ask for the record where where she lives? Very well. Um, I do in Albuquerque rental, but I do come to the property here. Okay.

Back and forth. So, um, if you can honor that in my parents wishes that, um, we don't build anything like that and honor our wishes, that would just cause too much um, chaos as far as traffic and everything else. I have a couple questions, Mr. Rickensburg. Yes, sir. Um, in real Rancho and I'm just going to ask, you know, for my sake, I mean, uh, I've been to Real Ranch before, and I know the houses are real close together and a lot of subdivisions. What What type of housing do you live in there? Now, single. It is it a like a closed subdivision where the houses are real close together or is it like a oneacre lot? No, we're on a halfacre. We sit on half

halfacre lot. Yeah. And then um you mentioned you know when in your comments you mentioned that you know you're talking about lowincome apartments and stuff like that which um the concept housing is from what I understand it's not a low-inccome housing. I mean it's just a it's two houses combined together with a zero lot line. I mean I just want to clarify that that they're not from what I understand they're not apartment complexes. I mean, it's single family units with zero lot pines. Just for the record, well, I feel that there's a lot of properties out there in Las Vegas that this apartments can be placed at. There's plenty of properties,

but they are not apartments or duplicates. Duplex duplicates town homes. Town homes. There is plenty of properties out in Las Vegas in the city that you guys can build these properties at. I mean, I was born and raised here in Las Vegas to see that. Sure. I know that the a while ago it was mentioned a mills plaza across from like big R, but that property is not owned by the city of Las Vegas. It's owned by the housing authority. So that's that's a it's not accessible to the city of Las Vegas to provide uh single family housing units. No, just to clar clarify that.

I mean it's not I'm not trying to be properties here in Las Vegas like that. Yeah, I I'm I'm a developer and I'd like to find them myself and they're hard to find now. So, they're very difficult to find. But anyways, thank you. Thank you, M.

You're not sworn in yet. Uh Archeta, you did not stand up, but I think Mr. Garcia, you did, sir. Did you wish to Yes. Did you wish to testify on the matter at this point? You know, I I may be moving back to Las Vegas in a few years to be with the family. Right now, I live in Albuquerque, New Mexico.

I've been for about 40 years approximately. Um the we've seen the the the houses were built to the south part of that whole area where the auto supper club is or used to be. But you guys are going to the uh looking at doing this. There were homes built um on another hill right next to this hill and they're individual homes as opposed to town houses. Now the question I one of the questions I have is are these homes going to have two car garages? Each one there's 13 of them. They're all adjacent there. There was a project we called it projects over on Neiels Avenue and Hot Springs Boulevard that for many many years were two homes like town houses but they had no garages attached to them. Are these homes going to have garages? Actually the design that was put out would but it's not the final design. we can't move forward with anything until we have gotten the property in order and then it has to be replatted. So, it was a concept done through North Central New Mexico Economic Development Division who came up with the plan and did the concept. The concept doesn't mean that's what it's going to be. It said that it could have 13 homes there, but it will take some planning. It will take some work with contractors, you know, getting bids. Um, if it if the bids come in too expensive, then they can't be built.

Okay. Thank you. Well, sir, Mr. If the homes u the homes have say a two-car garage each, the fact that it's a it's like a townhouse, there's one coming wall separating two, you know, it's almost like a duplex. It's a townhouse. Mhm. But yeah, if you have a garage, a two-car garage, say, then it's going to require more space.

And if you're talking about a onecar garage, that's not very much room. Uh if the homes are going to be attractive homes for somebody to do is going to live into it. They would want to live in a home that has a twocar garage, not a single car garage or no garage, and just two homes pasted together and that's it. because there's projects that were that are still I think they're still there. Um uh you had a lot of um the neighborhood went down basically for a long long time, you know. So if this homes have garages, it needs to be a twocar garage to each one. If they can't get that in there, that means that they're going to need to get less houses in that in that whole space. Now, they were talking about 13, but I'm thinking that if something like that could be cut down to say seven and they each have a twocar garage, then it would make more sense to I think all these people that have individual homes and not town houses. If it's going to be a townhouse, each one has to have a twocar garage next to it. Otherwise, you're going to get low quality people moving in and the city's not going to have to worry about it because you guys don't even worry about the streets to begin with. Now, something like that, you guys will be out of picture. I used to be in the car business as far as financing. I retired from banking years ago, and I know that uh once the sale is done, the sellers out of the picture, but that would be the city, you know. So, we we're looking forward because we're not moving out of there. And do

do most of the homes on Sappeo Street, do do they have twocar garages or I'm not super familiar with the area? I'm just wonder kind of wondering. I don't think so. Okay. And that hasn't affected the quality of people. But this is completely that hasn't that hasn't affected the quality of people in that area. But that's a whole different area. the same areas, South Pacific and then you you go up Sio up to New Mexico Avenue and those are old homes, you know, and then the homes on top of the hill. My brother Michael here just put about $80,000 of improvements in his house, my parents old house.

But but a two-car garage doesn't necessarily mean it's going to attract bad people. There's some very very good people that live in the projects there and in uh off of Hot Springs. I myself grew up in the projects over by on Luden Drive and we didn't have a two-car garage. We weren't bad people. We worked. No, but if you go into a a building, if you're going to make a building and have a a townhouse, one one uh common wall and there's no garage or a onecar garage in each one, you're you're limited to what kind of people you're going to get in there.

My brother has a threec car garage, not a twocar garage. But I'm saying that we want to get the higher quality per people moving in there because we're going to be there facing that. They're going to be there facing that on a day-to-day basis. And we do appreciate that. The 13 should be cut down to say seven and do two car garages either a townhouse or separate single family homes and that could be a good possibility. We're just in the early stages early stages. Yes. So this is these stages need to be accelerated to find out what are we really looking at. Yes. And and to to also let the public know we are an an advisory board

and any decision that we come to today still has to be approved or denied by the city council. Okay. So this is an advisory board. Mr. Riggginsburg does have a question for you. I have a question. So anyways, you you said something that triggered my thought process immediately that you said you're a car salesman and you dealt with financing. I'm not a car salesman. I was in finance

in Well, yeah. I'm sorry. Finance. So if we're talking about, for example, a $250,000 house on on, you know, a duplex house, for example, because it's still in the planning stages. So the income to debt ratio, so for a person to be able to apply for a mortgage on that house, uh that family would have to probably have an income of $150,000 a year to meet the income to debt ratio to be able to buy that house. So you know, when I when I hear, you know, like Mr. Les once said, you know, and I grew up in on Alamo Street on a very small house myself, you know what I mean? And there was a lot of good people, not bad people. I mean, it's all relevant to how you treat your neighbors, I guess. But um I don't see like your very low low income people or you might say I I'd hate to say lowquality people for example uh meeting that income to debt ratio to be able to buy this type of house. I mean um I think you could might be able to relate with me on that from a financial standpoint of view. I mean, because it takes le no less than 38% of your income to debt ratio to be able to qualify for a home per 100,000.

Are the incomes in Las Vegas that high? Huh? Are there that many people in Las Vegas that kind of money?

Well, yes, they are because there are there there might be a multifamily income where the husband and wife both make $80,000, for example. I mean, there are there are a lot of people, especially now with all the, you know, all the um I'm going to say the FEMA money that came in to the region. It it's actually boosted the economy quite a bit. I mean, we're not talking about the old Las Vegas where people were very, very, very poor. You know, we're looking at a different dimension of Las Vegas that I've that I'm seeing myself. I mean, as a builder, you know, but having worked in placing people into houses and and having them fit into a loan for the house they're buying, understanding the income to debt ratios. Um, does it does move the scales up on on on the people that qualify for these houses. If we're talking about a $250,000 unit, I mean that's not I'm not saying that they're going to be $250,000 because we're still in the concept stages. Um you know that's

well there's no doubt that none of us can predict the future. the uh the forecast is that there will be enough people that would be willing to pay that much money and afford it for debt ratios to values. All those things would be would be good, you know, but we don't know. And if there aren't, then we're looking at we're looking at those prices dropping to make it affordable to somebody. We don't want to get funds. We they don't want to get funds in that position, but okay, we couldn't sell them to people because they didn't have the income. Now we're gonna have to drop the prices and we have to get some lower quality people in there. Yeah. And so I understand exactly what you're saying. Yeah. You know, but uh

we just want to make sure that the houses are attractive homes with at least two carages so that anyone moving in there is probably going to stay. We don't know who's going to move in, but Las Vegas is very stable. And for discussion purposes uh like Miss Lucas. Yes sir. Um the houses uh as I understand they would be built and developed by a contractor not by the city. Right.

So the contractor at that point would technically either pre-ell the house before he built it or he'd built the units and then sell them. It all depends on the investors. Correct. Yeah. So,

possibly, and as I keep saying, this is in the infancy stages. There's nothing set in stone on what plans. If we were to be able to work through Housing New Mexico, the mortgage finance authority, um the maximum we would be able to get the um interim financing to build those. So, we're not sure whether the city would have them built with a contractor or the contractor would take down the lot. So, I'm not exactly sure how that's going to work. That's going to be up to the governing body. Um, so we were just asked to begin the process of how would we develop that property. Uh, and so the concept, like I said, came through North Central New Mexico Economic Development Department, and they had the study done, which they're the ones who came in with the suggestion. It doesn't mean we'll do 13 lots. We could do less. Um, but it wouldn't be more than 13.

So, basically, when we're what we're talking about later on, it's it' become like a mini subdivision, right? Sort of. Yes, sir. it we would we would then if we get the vacation of the street which is what this hearing is on right now if we got the vacation of the street then we would ask for the reszoning once we had the resoning we'd have to go in and replplat so those would have to come back before this board again uh so to get this development it would be coming back to this board multiple times if it seems to progress and in that process uh there could also be covenants placed on the plat itself. Correct. So that

so that it would meet their concerns as as time goes on, they could have input as to what those covenants would be into into that subdivision or mini subdivision, for example. So yeah, those concerns can be met because we're still in the concept stages. It's not 13 houses. So do you understand where I'm getting getting at? Yes. Yeah. Well, we there's there's steps. We want to know what what before the zoning change takes place. We want to know what's going to land on that lot.

We don't want the the we don't want the zoning change take place first and then we find out that what's going to go on the lot is something that that is not acceptable. What's going to go on that lot? Because there's another thing that can happen too is let's say the city we combine the property. Let's say they turn it into five lots, then they make it available to your family, for example, for that matter. I mean, it doesn't it it's not going to be set in stone. Just because we change the zone and vacate the property now doesn't mean 13 lots are going to go on there. Now, that property can also become, you know, available uh per lot basis, right?

I mean, it depends. It depends. Yeah. But it it technically can. I mean, there's a lot of things that can happen between now and the end, but nothing can happen on the way it sits now. Nothing's going to happen. Basically, it seems like we need we need more we need more information um on that what's going to be built. Uh I see the concept, the idea, but I used to be a realtor back in 1986. You know, I've been in a while and u so I know the highest and best use of that property. How many how many homes can we squeeze into that small lot and what can we sell them for?

One of the you know one of the problems we're having in the city of Las Vegas or just in San Miguel County is the lack of housing. I mean there's there's no housing. It's is people are people are struggling just to find a place to live. I mean, here in Las Vegas, you mean and I know, you know, we're talking about 13 houses, whatever. It's just the city is just trying to find a way to accommodate, you know, the housing requirements, you know. Um, for example, at one time I talked about putting an RV park and it was it was um it was a good idea simply because it would temporarily house people. I mean, it's we're just having a hard time in Las Vegas with housing in general. Well, not just that, you have the water issue that was mentioned earlier.

You know, you have other things that are going on and I appreciate what you you all are doing. I mean, you have people that stay in Las Vegas until they die, others that move out. You know, I have some of my family members that moved out, but they've come back or they're still living here, you know. Um, but I think that uh if we're going to upgrade Las Vegas, we need some good quality homes, you know, in place. I think that's all we're

I think that's all the city is trying to do with and also trying to balance being respectful to its current residences residents and so forth. Um, and that's why we're having hearings and talking about this and trying to move forward a little at time and getting the input. Uh, the Garcia family has has been very helpful, I think, in giving us some knowledge today. So, we thank you guys. Thank you. Yes, sir.

Would it be possible uh we have our director of of the actual housing department here in town. But if she could be sworn in, maybe she could give us some input on what low-income housing really is. We could do that. Yes. If she's willing to. Yes. Okay. But g give us a moment. I think Mr. Did you have a another question? Well, swear in and then if you guys like to come back up if you could. Yeah. Uh may I ask uh yourself and miss Mr. Mr. Garcia? Thank you so much. We're going to move forward.

Mr. Archera, can you stand up also? And anyone else that want can you please raise your right hand? And I want to make sure I'm saying this correctly. Do you solemnly swear that the testimony that you're about to give in this matter shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? So, I hope you got Thank you. Mr. Archetto, would you like to come forward? I know you.

Uh, yes, sir. Um, as Archeletta, I live at the Lalto propertyy's here and my f fence line is here. Okay. And I live there full-time. Been there, bought my purchased my property in 2007. Okay. Um if you're going to build houses on my fence line, I'm going to come straight out my front door and I'm going to look at walls. Okay, that's my view. I see I mean I see directly all the way to the new state police from my I have a a deck from end to end on my house and that is my view. I don't want to walk out and see a brick wall. You understand? Like I

I'm there full time and I live alone. Yes. And just it's just not a good it's not a good place for that. It just I totally disagree and thank you for taking my opinion seriously because it's not it's not a good place for that. Sir, thank you. Thank you for your input. We really appreciate that. Thank you. Let's see. And can you please give uh state your name, please? Yes. My name is Inas Garcia. In Garcia, I'm sorry. I'm Michael Garcia's wife.

Very well. I too am in real estate and construction. I work with builders. I work with investors. I know what values are. 250 is lowend. It's not high end. It's not low low end. It's not projects. No, but it's you do need a job to get that loan to get in there ratio. You need to be about 45%. 30 is only if I mean a paper. Anybody could get in there with 50% debt to income ratio. So, is it high-end? No. Is it low-end? No. It's in the middle. And that's it's in the middle. Yes. And I mean, a lot of us grew up in the projects and poor and not everybody poor is bad. No.

Thank you. There's a lot of good people. I grew up in the projects. I know there's a lot of good people come out of there.

Um, drugs is the issue, I guess. and and and everywhere. That's everywhere. But what we don't want, we don't want the traffic. We built our house so we can come and retire. We really don't want the traffic. That's not what we want. We don't want the traffic. We don't want the noise. We don't want the congestion. We don't want any of it. We totally just spent hundreds of thousands of dollars redoing our house so we can come and retire to a silent spots. It's not going to be silent anymore. We just would really rather not have it. I mean, there's lots of places. You guys have a beautiful city. Lots of places to build these.

Are are you originally from Vegas or Yes, I was born here. Yes. Nice. And I'm coming back here to retire. There you go. To a peaceful place. So, please don't take our peaceful spot. I feel I feel you. I understand. Totally. That's our goal is to keep it peaceful for us. I'm I'm going to ask a quick question and I don't know if this is but I I think I heard heard you in the back say, "Well, we'll buy we'll buy the property." Yes, we would love to. We tried to before. Okay. Yeah. Scott, just as a curiosity, is that is that a possibility? That would be up to the governing body. Okay.

Even even at that, they'd have to open it up to auction. They won't just sell directly to them. it'd have to be opened up to auction. So, you have to remember that one track is a C1, so somebody could buy it and use it as a C1 and the other parcel is an R3. So, they could buy it and put in whatever fits in an R3. So, so really uh changing that to an R2, which would be residential property, would actually be protecting the residents at this point in time. Yes. At at the starting phase, because they could they could build a You know, they can go up to the the C1, if I'm correct, they could build anything. They could build a Dollar General tomorrow or

treatment center. They could do whatever they want. See what I'm saying? And and our the changing it to a commercial does put a bit of protection on there. Yes, it it does. It does. Yes, I see that. Yes. Yes. Okay. And it's correct. Any anything else, Mr. Well, I take it all the Garcia family has been living out of These are most of our most of us are secular our second homes. Do any of you guys reside at the residence now as a full-time resident? No, the Garcia family. We're back and forth. I'm back and forth. We're there every weekend.

So, that's not your main headquarters. No, it's our second home, but it's it was it was it was redone for our retirement home, which is going to be in like three years probably. You being a realtor, I'm a lender. Are you a lender? I'm a realtor. My daughter's a realtor. So, I know the area in that area does not even not even close to 250 on some of those properties. Except unless you have redone and made the square footage, right? Our house is worth a half a million dollars. I've never seen it and I've never but I know down the road Montra. I grew up on Valerie Street. I grew up on all those on in Vdio. So cool.

This bringing it this will just be more comps for you honestly if we're selling them at this price. Yeah, but we're not going to sell. That's Well, you're not going to sell, but these properties are going to sell. So, this will help you in somewhat of a comp. Maybe not if you if you believe that you have a million dollar property, but everybody believes that is more than what it is. Well, it's and if we have to go through the housing authority to purchase the property, depends on how much you make to actually purchase the property probably. So, that's a other deal. All we're trying to do is just we're not talking about property values or nothing like this. Just about this piece of section of road that we need to get next figured out. Yes.

So, but we don't want we don't want Traffic up there. We traffic was up there before you were Well, the Elato was there. Traffic up there. Yeah, but there was a different time. Elto has not been there for what, 15, 20 years. Hasn't been there for Before they tore it down, it was full of drugs and people in there. And that's what we're trying to finally tore it down. We don't have no housing here in Las Vegas. A $250,000 house is is a big thing for some people. We do need we just we just sold the house to somebody here that there's no new houses in Vegas. You are correct. No new electrical correct.

So can we put them I mean there's tons of areas. Why? That's just I mean there's tons of areas. I can help you find some. I need help. Literally need help. I can help you. I can I can literally help you. You probably get some help. I understand your concern, man. But that's just it. We just don't want people up there. We we understand how you feel and and we have to work with our neighbors. We we also understand. Well, we're your neighbors. We are your neighbors. Thank you. All right. Thank you, Mr. Garcia. Appreciate that. Thank you very much. Uh yes, I and I apologize. I don't know your name. So, would you like to ple Natasha? Would you please come forward? State your name.

Hi, my name is Natasha Martinez. I am the executive director for Northern Regional Housing. So, I don't just represent San Miguel County. I res I represent the top most northern counties in New Mexico. Okay. And I just wanted to let everybody know for medial income in order to qualify for our program you a household of four and that's maybe a mom and three children, two parents and small children. The most they can make is 85,000 a year. So you are Yeah. That's the most they can make.

Okay. and HOTMA has just passed. And with HOTMA, we now have to evict anybody making over any household that makes over that income limit. We're trying to find alternate routes for them because the federal government is saying they're no longer allowed in our housing. I've heard a lot of they them, those people, and I service them. I service 1300 families in northern New Mexico. San Miguel County, we're taking them on and my contractor told me there is no stock in San Miguel County.

We are having to move vouchers. So, this idea is amazing to me. And when you see families, everybody had to start somewhere. You're talking about where you grew up. You're talking about where you grew up. Everybody has to grow up somewhere. and families. I I like this idea because yeah, you could put a Dollar Tree there. You could put something else there. And believe you me, I have my boyfriend in the audience who has property adjacent to him is probably not going to be happy with what I'm saying right now. So, but it does also help the valuation of those properties. Brand new properties would help the valuation of those properties. The design is not done. The design would come back out. You still have to have a public input for that as well. But basically saying no to new neighbors, saying no to new families, people wanting to stay in Las Vegas. That's what the goal is. We want families to stay here. We need our gross receipts tax to go up. We want to build the community and that's what we're trying on our end. And so I just wanted to speak on that because I was watching it on YouTube. I wasn't here and I was trying really hard for the record. I tried really, really hard not to say anything. Um, but I did have to come and voice because I do have 1300 families that I do not feel are less than anybody else.

Thank you very much. I appreciate that. I have a question. We have a couple of questions. So, you said that 85,000 they can't exceed an income of 85,000 per unit, right? Yes. So, does that is your program subsidizing the the housing? Yes. kind of like um the FHA used to do USDA FHA used to subsidize housing where they would pay according to their income ratio.

Yes, we have income based and we have flat rent. Currently, if you're over the income threshold, you're all on flat rent. Now, we're going to FMRS. So, you're telling me a family that currently is paying maybe $850 a month for rent is going to have to go up to $1,260 on a separate lease because they have to start paying fair market rents because they don't fall within the income threshold. I've asked my tenants like, you know, you guys are already making this money. Why not? And they we want to stay in Vegas. Our jobs are here in Vegas. We can't leave. We want to stay here. We want to raise our families here. So, I'm having that hard decision to tell people, you're going to pay me $1,260 every month, and there's no return on your investment. You're just paying us that so that you guys can stay in this home, and we're taking a hit on our subsidized income that the federal government is going to give to our program because of that. But my board is telling me, well, if there's a waiting list, how can you leave these people in these homes when they don't qualify for the program anymore? And you have a waiting list of people waiting to get into the homes that qualify. And you have that little gap, that workforce housing. They're working hard. They're making a living. And that gap is where in all of our counties, we're not hitting. And that's the gap that we're trying to that I think that the city is trying to help us with as well. Okay. Are we good? Mr. S,

I have a question. You don't have a program available like they used to have where you go according to your income on rent, but you rent to own the turn. Remember the turn key?

We have no more turn keys. Those are all Creson Circle. We did a bunch of those down here. You go to Kaya Contenta, Kaya Bonita, those areas. We still have housing in between those. But the need for rent and our waiting list will not allow us to to do that. Our fair cloth limit like I would love to build tomorrow. I would love to build tomorrow and I have property that I would love to build on but right now we as a program can't do that. So we're trying to figure out on our end how to do it and I'm thankful because that's 13 families that may be able to have a home that this other way they wouldn't be staying in Las Vegas. they'd be leaving Las Vegas.

Okay, thank you. Um, thank you so much. Okay, still out of question. Oh, I'm sorry, Mr. Ma'am, we still had one one other question for you. I apologize. Yes, I apologize. Thank you. We need to move forward. Sorry, Jason. So, is there a minimum uh wage? No. For these properties? No. No. For ours, there's no minimum. Um, there employment requirements.

There's community service requirement unless you're a full-time st student. And that's one of the catchalls that we have. Our one-bedroom waiting list is so long because who do we house? Where can we not find housing for? Our students at NMHU. So, we have a bunch of students that live with us and their income is considered to be zero. We don't count their scholarships. We don't count um their work study, anything like that. So we're helping that population there too. So there is no but this time we're talking apples and oranges on this with your program doesn't nec isn't going to cover it won't cover it's not covering this. So it's it's cover and that's why I'm saying I'm thankful because this is something that wouldn't cover

I just want to let the Garcia know that this that this we're not even talking about the people that might be him. Okay. Thank you so much. That was a question I had because I was confused. Exactly. And I think we're getting a little off track on on this. Yeah. And you guys are talking about selling them and I think I have a lot of tenants that would be able to qualify for them, but I don't think they'd be able to qualify for $250,000. Okay. Thank you so much. That's what I want. Okay. All right. There was one one other comment. I know you were sworn in, correct? Yes. Yes, ma'am. Please, please.

My name is Lisa Jacobson. Um, my husband and I do live in that area full time. We retired out here from Chicago.

So, I'm wondering as I look at these plans, um, does the city have any plans to do improvements on Sapio Street? Because it is scarcely two lanes as it stands now. So, I think about trying to get out of my property and down Sapio Street to New Mexico Avenue. And if it is loaded with construction trucks, first of all, that road as it stands right now will be completely impassible. One winter, it's going to be ruts up to my hips. And are can we look forward to having that all paved up there before any kind of planning for multifamily dwellings goes up? Can we look forward to snowplowing? Can we look forward to city services that if I lived on Seventh Street, I would get just as part of being a citizen of Las Vegas. But hereto have not been provided in that area at all. So to talk about changing zoning and bringing in construction traffic, I would assume it'd be at least a year, probably two.

I mean many more than that, three, four, however many years. I'm looking at construction traffic. I'm looking at a road as it stands right now that can't handle that. And I'm looking at a road that if you've got a cement truck parked on Sapio Street pouring cement, I basically can't get out of my house. So, it's my question for you, Mr. City Planner.

So, all of the department heads have met and they have looked at the plan. They would have to come up with plans for the road, but they have said that they can do that. But at this point, we're in the infancy stages. This hearing is to vacate one block of a street.

Okay. So, summarizing this again, and you guys correct me if I'm wrong. Right now, we have a a lot of land that is now fenced off. There is no street on it. Although the plat says there's a street and all we're doing right now is vacating that street that doesn't exist. Am I correct? Okay. So that doesn't change a single thing to the Garcia family at this point in time. Correct. Nothing at all.

Nothing at all. Okay. I will ask I will ask the uh the board for a motion to either approve approve or disapprove the Oh gosh dang it. I hate this process. Uh and I'm going to reiterate one more thing before we close the hearing. Again, we are an advisory board. It still has to go to the city council. Okay? so your voices can be heard when the actual decision will be made. Okay. All right. Having said that, can I have a motion to close the hearing? I I move that we close the hearing.

I'll second that. All those in favor? I I Okay. Now, can I please have a motion to either approve or disapprove the the proposal as presented, the vacation of the street? I move to approve the proposal as presented of the vacation of the street. Um, it's 659 sub. 659 sub. Forgive me. Okay. Do I have a second? I second. Can we have a roll call vote, please? Yes. Mr. Travisburg. Yes.

Mr. Strand Salasad. Yes. Mr. Mike Sweeney. Yes. And Mr. Oliver Lebron? Yes. My motion passes. Very well. Okay. Next slide. Okay. Okay. Do we want to attack this or Okay. So, can I please have a motion to open the second part, which we've been discussing uh considerably. Right now, we kind of went off off course. Open the part two of the agenda. Okay. Do I have a second? I'll second that. Very well. All those in favor?

I I Very well. Scott, can you uh Mr. Zunker, can you put you're sworn in? I think we have to. We have sworn in again. Yeah. Well, that should that should carry forward, but okay. Do you solemnly swear that the testimony that you're about to give in this matter matters changing be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. So, I help you God. I do. I do. Mr. Before we move forward, I just wanted to let the whole crowd know that they're going to be locking the front door so we'll be able to exit out this back door that's behind us so that you guys can have a safe way out.

So again, good afternoon, chairman and board members. One more thing, Mr. Chair. I want just want to make sure that we uh uh uh put on record Scott Zunker is a city of Las Vegas city employee. He's the city planner. Very welcome. Thank you.

So, this section is to ask for reszoning. Um, we've we've uh vacated the street. So, we have one side of the former street is zoned C1. Um, and that was where the supper club sat and the other side um is zoned R3. So, um, we're asking them to both be changed to R2. Um, and that would allow us to add in, um, like I said, the town homes, uh, that we're talking about. And, um, the original concept, uh, did show 13 town homes to go there. Um, that doesn't mean it's set in stone. We're in the infancy stages. If we get the zoning changed, uh we will have to go before city council to request money to do a replat of the property and then that would have to come back to this board again. Uh so we've got to go through the stages in order to uh get somewhere. But again, we're at the beginning. Uh if this does not happen, I don't know what the council will do. Um, if we don't reszone, uh, the property will remain C1 and C and R3. Um, if they were decide to put it up for auction, that would be the zoning of those properties. I don't think they want to auction it, though. I think they want to move forward with providing housing here in Las Vegas. That's the goal.

They would have to open it up for bid to contractors if it were. And but I don't think the council will do that. I I think they will um want to develop h u affordable workforce housing in the city. Another question, but at any point the community can petition the council for that purpose as well if they so desire. Right. Even though the council may not want to, but the community at any point a community member or organization can petition the city where the council whether the council approves it or not, it's up to the council, right? Yeah, that's up to the council, too. Yes. We're talking about what trying to sell the property.

Yeah. Yeah. I just don't see it happening. Yeah. I'm just saying that at any time whether whether it be the Garcia or anybody else can petition the city council or the city, they can always ask that's a petition to buy the property and then at that point it would go to council for review and stuff like that. I mean in order for the city to sell it we have to follow the state statute. Yeah, because I Yeah. We definitely we definitely don't we're not we're not even thinking of that. Yeah, but I'm I'm just putting it out on this record because it you know you can't I can't say that we're going to take that option away from the community if it's community property you know the city it is community property

record don't now it's up to the city or recommendation from planning at that point. Yeah. Yes sir. So this becomes very important in my opinion that we go from a C1 correct to an R2.

Yes. with multi- multi- homes being built. And I know the Garcia have have mentioned this and it's in my my mind as well. Uh you know, we've had to drink bottled water for weeks on end. Uh how how do we justify adding adding strain on our water supply at this point in time? Yes, sir. Mr. Marcus,

Mr. Chair, uh, and board, uh, the city has made many strides in their water treatment facility. We've done some really, really extensive research and they've done some extensive work at the at the facility, adding new filter beds, adding new plans to add more water to this community where we have a a constant flow. There's no stopping anywhere over here. City of Las Vegas is very confident that in the future we're going to have plenty of water for all our citizens. Uh, we work very hard and we're working very hard with the state to continue that. Uh, we'll continue to move forward with that. uh that allows us to go ahead and start adding housing to what is now called the housing desert with the within the city of Las Vegas. So water in in our opinion is not even uh uh an issue here. We're we're we're fine with what we got going on.

Okay. Is is the water plant being redone at this point in time or

the the water plant is in its construction phases and we're doing a lot of things together with the state uh and the city manager and the mayor have worked very very diligently and the city council to move forward with a lot of of of plans to make sure that the citiz citizens of Las Vegas won't have to uh endure what we endured a couple uh years ago. Now another question for me from me is would the city entertain instead of 13 homes maybe five or six homes with a buffer zone where we can have a buffer zone so the integrity of the Garcia family property is maintained the integrity of Miss Archeletta's views and so forth her quality of life are maintained. Uh any kind of a little dog park, a walking park, something like this.

There there's actually uh stipulations within this uh uh grant that we're working with with the Northeastern Economic Development Corporation or u that that we need to meet the the the price for the grant. So that's why we're proposing the 13 homes. Uh they're they're the ones that have put it together for us. We're going ahead and following the rules that they they put in in front of us. So, are you are you saying, Mr. Marcus, that the 13 homes, the only way the only way we're going to get the money from the state is to do 13 homes? We need to do it this way. Okay. So, just

for a point of reference, currently the C1 is three lots and the R3 is three lots currently. So basically right now on a C1, you could put a multi- duplex in there anyways, you know, if it's commercial, let's say a an apartment complex in a R3 mobile home,

twotory apartment complex in there with a zero lot line because the C1 allows zero lot lines. So it would be a bigger problem doing that than doing this in a sense. Yeah. Does does the third do the 13 homes need to all be on one property, Mr. Mosquez, or could they be on, you know, half on one property and half on another property? These these ones need to be in this area

in that in that property because that's this is what they propose. Are they willing to sit down and and you know visit and plan with the local residents that are standing before us because you you know I I think we we're all from we're all from Vegas and we're not here to harm our neighbors and so forth.

Of course. And we all I know Mr. Garcia. I helped Mr. David Garcia before with with permits and stuff like that. So we're always open for them to come in and speak with us. That's that's what the city of Las Vegas is about. we're always ready to listen to our our constituents and our neighbors and all that stuff and I understand their concerns. Uh so frustrating for them. So I I understand we definely want to sit down and talk to them and we we will discuss things with them as we move forward. Okay. And how many uh how many lots or how many acres does this entail? Forgive me, but I'm going to sorry. How how many acres are are involved or I believe it's right around an acre and a half. I think it was without the street. I believe it was at 1.25.

I just made I need to reiterate to this to you guys that that if we if we don't move forward with this stuff, Las Vegas will lose this money. But we're talking about 13 homes in one acre. It's about an acre. There it is. Right there. Boom. We all got one. But we need the money in order to get some housing and get people that that work here and families and fill up our schools again, you know, because our schools are dying and it's it's uh it is something that is very very badly needed in our in our community. Well, Mr. Chairman,

at this point, we're only discussing the zone change. I mean, we're not even discussing the housing project. That's going to be discussed at a different at a different time once the council approves it for for financing stuff. They'll then we'll have to come back and then we'll have to go over all this again, right? Yes, sir. Yeah. So, right now we're only looking at the the zone change. So, it's only as a recommendation to the city council.

Yeah. Again, again, restating that uh to to the public is it is a recommendation to the city council. It is at this point in time a zone change. Your voices are being heard, but it is zoned right now as a commercial uh property and all that's happening today is a step in reszoning it to a residential property. That's it. Not only are their voices being heard, but you know, the council people are probably also watching. Yes, sir.

Watching us. They they they pretty much monitor us pretty well. So whatever you say today is not in vain. I trust trust me it's not I mean we've had issues come before us where the council has gone 33 and then it had to come down to the mayor decision at that point you know so what we say is not written on stone. It's just a recommendation from us of the council. Okay. Any other comments at this point? Can I have a motion to close the hearing? I move to close the hearing. Do I have a second? All those in favor?

Very well. this point in in time, I would like to open it to the committee to uh give me a motion to either accept uh move forward with the uh change in zoning from uh let's see if I'm correct. C1 to R2,

which is residential. I make a motion that we we accept the recommended zone change of um I think it's what is it lot go back to lot 45 and 38 and the um abandoned property to R2 correct R2 do I hear a second also Second that. Can I please have a roll call vote? Mr. Travis Wigginsburg. Yes. Mr. Mike Sweeney. Yes. Mr. Andrew Salad. Yes. Mr. Oliver Les France.

Yes. Motion carries. Mr. Chair. Is there any other business today? I just I may have a motion to uh to adjourn. I had a Oh, some public some comment.

Some comment. Yes, sir. based on a project that came before us prior on um Prosperoto and Sen Street. I know that um there's been some development that been going on there uh that the county issued a permit for that and uh I I have no qualm or no issues with the development on that property at all. I don't know if the city if the ATZ zone or the city uh also approved the development of that property, but my only concern was the water rights attached to that 18 acres of that property. And I did reach out to the state engineer to get some clarification on that. And for the record, uh there is a 5-year buffer on those water rights. Um I know that a portion of them will be abandoned because of the development of the property that you know that the family there is doing. Uh they're also covering um an irrigation pond that was there to service the whole uh east side of that property as well. So, um, my concern is that I would like the state not to adjudicate those water rights.

Do the state and the city, uh, somehow either be able to capitalize on those water rights in the future within the next 5 years, for example. Um and and the reason I bring it up is it did come before us before and we tabled it because the family uh had a time period in which to subdivide a property or divide the property between two families. Um from what I understand the family has agreed to u put their houses on there and when the time comes they'll they'll amicably split the property. Uh which is fine. That's that's all that's all good. I'll just you know um the reason a lot of a lot of issues come to us is so that we can discuss those issues such as the water rights in the future you know that we we can capitalize and I know like you said the city is making strides in um in uh having better water qualities and better accessibility to water. Um, but I I have a big problem when the state just takes them over for free, right?

You know, without us having an opportunity to uh capitalize or bank those somewhere in the future. And of course, we can also reach out to the family to buy them as well if they're going to abandon them or abandon the portion or purchase a portion that they are going to abandon. Um, so that was I wanted to address that issue for the record. Um, because I feel that that is important for the city of Las Vegas in the future. Um, I'm talking about 20 years down the line, future, 30 years, maybe grandkids. Very much for your may have a motion to adjurnn. I move we adjourn.

May I have a second? Second. All those in favor? All right. All right. All right.