Planning Board - Regular Meeting

[Music] [Music] Frederick yes hi Fredick I'm welcome thank you call Fr okay are we missing any so you're to point you okay so John will be appointed tonight so Freddy swap back and forth so next time you'll be asked we got about 30 [Music] seconds all up there we can start ring it out yeah all right let's come the order aoll call ahead here Sandy here John duy here L here Christine here johnra here Freddy here here somebody here from actually do you want to do we want to do to start with the start with the green start with the green w y and then we'll go with our normal proceedings after that okay presentation for us yes I apologize for sitting down here with where I can

plug in and drive I'm sorry what's your name my name is Steve Lawson I'm the current chair of the we officially the parks recreation and trails working group um I live in lville I've been there since 1990 um and I'm the volunteer chair of the committee and I've been asked to uh do a quick presentation to update the planning board on what our thank you our group is doing um I updated the uh the council the the Town Council a couple months ago but realized we haven't come to the planning board and things are happening that uh that are progressing our work so we wanted to get in front of you and let you know what we're working on great so um if this will advance and John is this the one yeah leison for this committee yep John's our Le leaz on Joe is our Our Town board Lon and uh we might have a few other members join us shortly but our our group exists because um uh to try to help Recreation Department further the goals that are stated in their plans so we went back and looked at the 2018 comp plan and trails rated very highly there um with household saying that that was one of the things they'd like to see more of uh in the town and then in 2022 the parks recreation and trails master plan rated Trails is really the the number one uh desired new feature from households when we did the survey it ranked quite so that that's what our group is taking on is really sort of developing this trail system in town multi-use trail system that we're calling uh the Lancing Greenway um and really the idea with the greenway is just to continue lansing's

commitment to being a connected family focused child-friendly Community one of the things we hear from people as we talk about the trail is there's no place to teach my child to ride their bike that there's no nothing my child can do unless I take them there in the car and we're trying to make it possible for people to move around be more connected without having to always hop in your car to do it so that that's that's kind of our our reason for wanting to put forward this Greenway um idea um there's different kinds of trails there's like the nature trails that we have at the the Lancing Center Trail um and we're we're going to be working on really more of a multi-use trail so if you think of the uh the Ia Waterfront Trail you know an 8 to 10t wide multi-use Trail for bikers Walkers what we're saying right now is any non-motorized use um uh so that's the type of Trail we'd like to do it's sort of set aside from traffic where we need to it's possible we might have to use sections that are improved shoulder uh Trails where you you would have ideally have some separation but the trail might need to run run alongside rideway in certain situations and that that's always a possibility that'll be developed over time but right now really what we're trying to do is have a uh a uh separate ride of way off the road um multi-use trail that will connect various points of of the town that I'll uh I'll show you in a second there's an example of uh if you go to um uh Geneva you'll see a really nice multi-use Trail that's along the the RightWay along Route five and it's beautiful and that could be done but we're hoping for something more like what you would see at ethical waterfront tripil that's our

goal um in terms of of where we want to go with the uh this green way our our plans are really kind of based on that 2022 Recreation master plan where the idea is to connect to the main hubs of the centers of of community life and Lancing so if you you can picture the trail going from the town center and having a trail that connects all the elements of the Town Center together so uh senior housing Library Town Hall ball fields Community Center um across to apartments and businesses and restaurants um and trying to make it so all of this is connected without having to get back in your car and then we want people to be able to go from here to the lanine school campus that's one of our primary connections we would like a multi-use trail that connects the Town Center to the El L Central School District campus from the school campus we' like to be able to go down the hill to Meers Park Salt Point the marina and pick up some of the neighborhoods that are down there um eventually from the uh school campus we'd also like to go down the hill the other way and connect towards lville and maybe create a path that would get people to the dec parking area or uh which is the kind of the Waterfront beginning the access for S Creek um so it's sort of um if you can picture Meers to schools schools to loville and then schools up here to the town center and then from the Town Center we'd like to take people South and connect to all the recreation and neighborhoods that are sort of centered around the rink so we have a new Cornell hiking area there we have the Falls we have the the rink we have the um soccer fields behind that so that's definitely a place where families and children are are gathering and then

from the rink we want we would like to take the PE people all the way down into the village and we're working with the village on this as well with tentatively thinking about the YMCA being the end of The Greenway so we're kind of pointing out the major Recreation and child Center places in lene and going to try to connect all of those and that's pretty close to what was laid out in the 2022 uh Recreation master plan um we're looking at um uh a couple initial phases the the land that would be used to create the Town Center Greenway is 90% public owned land and then we already have two critical easements in place so it's um it's possible that we might be able to have with ownership of the land in place we might be able to do a Trail around the town center um relatively uh quickly as soon as funding is available and this is sort of that idea this was in the 20122 recreation master plan where they proposed just that kind of a loop trail a walking trail around the town center and then we would like to take it further to make sure it ties into senior housing it goes across the street connects to businesses more housing and to the the nature trails at the laning Town Center Trails so this is this is a very um itial first phase of our Greenway is doing something right here in the Town Center where we we already have the land another potential first phase would be from the laning schools down to Myers Park um uh after I think maybe 6 or eight years ago the town widened and improved the shoulder on as you're going downhill on the right hand side and uh they did some engineering work on it and did work and there's an 8ot wide shoulder there um they were never able to finish that

shoulder so now it's begun to create erosion issues and drainage issues so talking with the highway department um we're looking at doing a combined project to improve that shoulder and turn that shoulder into a potential early phase of the greenway um to take kids from the newe traffic signals The Pedestrian signals at the middle school they would call cross over um uh and then they could head down the hill to the marina the park and we'd like to find a way to get across the bridge and have a good peneston connection to salt um and that's a possible first phase as well again because that rideway is in hand so we're we're looking at that um and we are we're uh we've gotten funding to do a feasibility study to do a feasibility study for the the improved shoulder from the schools down to Myers Park so we'll be hiring an engineer to look at that in detail make sure we have the right way do a detailed cost estimate um and we'll be working with uh Recreation and planning and the highway department because we also want to solve Mike's uh erosion issues and things like that together so um we have a feasibility study we'll be hiring someone soon for that we're in line for additional funding from The Tompkin County trans ation Council which would pay for the feasibility study for this town center loot Trail so we could get a good cost estimate and try to look ahead to any problems for that as well so those there one feasibility study is is going to be happening soon another could be happening soon we get word that the funding is going to come through the transportation conso um so those are kind of the the studies we're doing for the two possible first phases the other big project we're embarking on and the one that we we really want to be closely

connected to the planning board and the planning department is we'll be hiring a consultant soon to do a comprehensive um Trails master plan so it's taking the the small section out of the rec master plan and expanding on it and going into more detail and that will be um uh probably a 9mon or more long process to do this comprehensive Trails plan and once we have that we'll have more detailed information on potential Ro roots on different Trail Styles we'll be able to have um potential uh uh Trail properties um flagged in the system for potential easements and things like that so once we have a comprehensive Trails plan we feel like we'll have something to can feather into the the planning process in the town and we've already started to do a little bit of that um through a couple projects that have have come our way recently to comment on but we hope that uh maybe in December of this year or January of next we'll be going before the town board to have them review and hopefully approve a comprehensive Trails plan so that's that's kind of what we're up to um where we're at and we we do have one project um well actually a couple have been tabled but do you have any questions before I had a question for Joe what's what's the status on lville Road going down from the school we're looking for money we're talking $2 million and we're not going to raise taxes that much right so it's looking for money okay if you find the money I'm assuming you would do kind of the same thing they're doing in buyers and try to provide well what we try to do is try to figure out how to stabilize it so that uh 10 to 15 years we're not back in the same position cuz I don't want to pour money down the train like that it's going to take much

more stabilization of that Hillside so it's not undercutting the road all the time um so that that's where we're at is when we get the next chunk of money that we can set aside we can do some real studies to figure out what actually has to be done where we've got a preliminary of you got to stabilize that hill or the road but I need to know exactly what that means and what kind of cost we're talking about stabilizing home I think I think Dean is saying that you should build in wide shoulder fora or or whatever impl there oh yeah portrayal as part of that project I was just curious where we were at with that looking looking for cash okay yeah but when that does come through you know our working group will be there at the table hopefully with all the different parties just advocating for that side of that project we see that as a really our our role speaking of money the village of rden got $4 million for a sidewalk yeah where did that what what was the source of that uh I it was probably Federal Transportation dollars there's a lot of federal money for alternative transing into that as well that Source yes yeah that there's Recreation dollars there's Transportation dollars and what you need to do in order to have access to those is you have to prove that you have ownership of the land the right of way down to Meyers or the land here at the Town Center plus two easements you have to prove that you have the rights and then you have to do a feasibility study to prove that you have looked at potential obstacles and know your costs and what the Tomkins County transportation council is saying is you have if you have those two things they view us as fundable so we'll have th we'll have those things in place for the Meyers segment and we'll go for funding uh hopefully we'll get those two things in place for Town Center we'll go for funding um so it'll be a process of studying and building sections and then

then connecting sections with the comprehensive plan and the cooperation the planning department and planning board then we can start to collect easements um as we go through the process so that we'll have eventually we'll have things connected and then we'll have the rights to the land and then we vote for construction funding from that I just want to point out that you got grant funding for both of these studies you've discussed already this is not coming out of the Town budget this is coming from grant funding yeah all total we brought in about 60 60,000 and if we get the other we'll be about 70,000 funding but what your banner money yeah yeah so we're we've been successful there's money out there and frankly Tompkins County is has has been very the transportation Council has been very receptive there's been a lot going on in other towns and they're very happy to see laning at that table now there was also I think in the past a study done to connect the intersection here to the school they're looking at obtaining easements and rways and that didn't fly correct right yeah that was back in 2000 we actually got an IC tea Grant which was a federal transportation Grant to do that but we weren't able to put together the right way and that's why now in order to get funding they say we want you to have the RightWay in hand first or the rights to the the trail path whether it's easements or ownerships or or whatever so why do you think that you could get that right away today and you couldn't get it 2000 I think we have I think we have a group dedicated to looking for lots of different routs Rook is that what you're saying potential ways to get there y potential rot so we we hope to have two or three or maybe even four possibilities um then our group goes out and uh talks to people about what we'd like to do and see if they're willing to help us we've had um you know one of the land owners

that would be on that route is can't wait for us to put this Trail in um and others have asked us to wait and let them settle through some issues before we approach them to talk to them um so it's going to be a process it's not going to be easy um but we have to have the plan we have to have root options and then we have to just diligently work with people to try to put it all together any discussions with cargo no not yet but we haven't looked at that side of the road but I'm hoping our comp plan Consultants will look at that side Ro and see if there's possibilities there yeah uh are is your working group kind of keeping your finger on the pulse of what's coming before the planning board yes yep through through Joe and through John as well and and through planing um and eventually when we have the comprehensive plan I think it may be a more formalized process um but yeah but we we have very active members on our group who are very active in the town planning um but we we realize we need to come before all of you and really let you know who we are and what we're working on yeah don't we don't want to miss opportunities exactly I think you guys got to standardize one of the first things is how wide you want a trail so if we have somebody coming in front of us yeah do we ask for an 8ft wide Trail a 10ft wide Trail I mean I think that's got to be debated how wide and I mean we don't want to take a 20 foot you know 15 20 is know where where do you cut it off and is it 8 10 12T y so the stand so is it mixed juice right yeah for mixed yeah and this will be this will be sort of uh solidified in our comp Trails plan but the standard is a 20ft wide easement to build a 10ft wide trail that way you can have shoulders and room to do construction and uh

um that's asking a lot for a property in order to give up 20 ft for some it might be for others it might not be um uh that there's we'll just we'll just have to see but that that is a from everything we've read that's what's being asked that's what people are advised to ask for that 20ft easement gives you enough room to uh do what you need to do for a 10t wide Trail tread anything else any other questions Bo very impressive thank you we're we're getting a lot of good stuff there and I did want to quickly uh Delaware solar this this plan is different than what may be in your packet because this information is just a couple hours old but we have um been talking to the developers of the Delaware solar project because that is a key connection to get from our main North South Trail we want to go east and pick up those neighborhoods the Bean Hill neighborhoods and Beyond and be able to collect people from like the village solar area so we need these collectors that bring people East West and this property um is exactly located where we're hoping to make that East West collector connection um we had a really good meeting with um three people uh representing that project and nothing is official nothing's in in stone but uh they seem very willing to uh grant us a 20ft wide easement wow that would start at trip Hammer Road and cover we would have a road crossing eventually at trip Hammer they would uh a 20ft easement that comes along the top and then Works its way down to where there is an easement here that would get us

all the way to Hillcrest where Hillcrest is at a grave uh where we can have a safe Crossing and once we're here we can collect all the neighbors here into the trail so it's not in stone yet they seem very very agreeable to that there is one thing there's a lot of Housing and this is the beam Hill Neighborhood from the property line there's a 20ft water easement and um we would like to not put the trail in that because then it crowds the homeowners so we're looking at leaving the 20ft water easement as it is as additional buffer and then the developers are are I think going to be required to do a vegetative barrier and then a second vegetative barrier and they're looking at giving us the trail easement in between the two vegetative barriers so the trail will be through the middle of a naturalized area um separated somewhat from the solar panels and giving even more separation to the neighbors above so more or less following the property line uh but willing to move it uh where it might impact these neighbors and actually make a better experience for tril users to go in between the rows of vation so you're there's a there's a easement there that's how wide now between the property owners in the north and 20 there's a 20ft wide uh water so you're talking 20 ft and then you're talking a burm or plantings in the BM which might be 20 ft if you get Evergreens yeah and you've got a 20ft road of yours and you've got another 20ft row of Evergreens or a burm as well so you have 20 40 so you're talking 80 ft from the property line to their possible is that correct yeah yeah are there issues with the swampy nature of that especially the eastern part of that yes

back in the corner there it is going to get swampy and we've talked about we'll have to do when we get to that point we'll have to do some solution back there of uh it might have to be on Boardwalk back in there um but talking to um Jack young he said there is a the the farmer built um a relatively dry path for Machinery that runs right along the property line so there may be an old sort of bedway there that we could use and if not it'll have to be engineered to uh do what it has to do to move through that wet area okay any other questions thank you Steve okay thank you all very much thank you appreciate it thank you you think Jack ready to come up thank you just want ask for some advice well actually I see there's a note about the upcoming the next item so we may need some comment on this you going to be around for the next for the uh sure cell tower so we have a resolution in front of us Jack has been in front of us before with this and so there's a little bit of a snap understanding what needed to happen in basis I got an education in it everybody had a chance to read over the letter any questions on

this you want to push this resolution forward sure I'll make a motion to accept the the resolution second call Rollins Tom yes Sandy yes John duy yes L yes Christine yes John yes inde Dean yes thank you we have something ready for my sold please could be a doctor you sure just yes sir all right stre really hard you know you can't fix stupid sometimes right so I I got stuck with that I appreciate everybody being understanding pushing it along got of wait my turn two that one time and then we'll have a new resolution cler will have to sign an I'll email to you once you get these can be filed those can be filed should be all set thank you to everyone have a great night okay come on up folks from Verizon ready made through the zba congratulations and just a not um we took care of the Seeker at the zba I was

mistaken no need for the coordinated review as it wasn't unlisted and not type one so the CBA has taken care of that and issued the use variance and now all you guys have to do is just work through the site plan I see some nice balloon photos here right so go for it what do you want to tell us about the project excellent thank you my name is Lor Smith I'm with Nixon P I'm joined with Brett Morgan um as noted we were before the zba at the January meeting as well as um receiving the the um variance at the February 12th meeting um we're now back for site plan approval and Tak into consideration notes from the CBA for additional buffering um for vegetation and submitted an amended site plan or an updated site plan I should say and a letter dat to February 4th and we're happy to walk through the site plan or just answer questions um if that's supp boards reference what's changed since the last time we saw a couple things uh double roll of Evergreens uh we switched up the variety uh of Evergreens as well as one of the recommendations I think from the plan and board member who retired Larry Larry thank you um and adjusted the utilities around the two plantings to the north go Norway sprs that um yes yes sorry so I you were specific about no Norway well you know I talked to uh Dan seagull about the advantage what would we recommend and he said he basically said Norway spruce does better than any other tree in

I totally agree and and he said you know it's not that basic he said it's for choice [Music] fors I agree and they grow fast they don't die right and uh they gr right down to the ground don't die one concern that I will bring up is when things get added to the invasive species list nurseries can no longer sell them as part of their Nursery stock so it may be difficult to find them now well if Dan is promoting it then I'm assuming that he has that yeah fair enough and if they have if he has back stock those you know it's not like the DC necessarily Ys what they have existing once they get placed on the invasive list so he still has some that would get my thumbs up too I think the Norway first would be very appropriate so why why the eastern red cedar instead of just the normally Spruce I'm not a landscape architect but that's what was designed by our Engineers as would be good as two instead of just in a full row with the rest so variety is that is that what they're saying Vari most of the time you don't want to plan monoculture in case you get like a p that comes through Norway Bru a little little different cuz they're pretty resistant to most things but you were plant I'm just thinking the eastern red cedar get chewed on pretty good the de yeah and they grow really slow they grow really slow they don't fill out yeah I agree with in there and unless you're willing to cage and protect them you're going to get trashed so I mean I'd be happy to just see the norways through the whole thing I can go back to ourl Architects and make sure that that works for them and spacing and whatnot but yeah I don't see a problem

with it and if if not I would say white white spruce if they want to ride which is not as nice as the nor but would be better than um the cedar I think yeah or blast Bruce if you can find that I think that would be well too New York native it's pretty wet and that there right here right I was going to say it's black Spruce is good with wet they do good with wet feet and I think you're going to catch some of the drainage that comes through the swell right here with these street so yeah that that would certainly be an option again I don't I don't see that holding anything up and it looks like you got your uh your utility lines are going to run under the trees is that correct um off off they need to be 5 ft off of them and that was one of the adjustments that we made to the two plantings that are to the north can see as far here and that was one of the concerns that the CVA brought up as well they now that is that correct yes yes absolutely [Music] yeah pass this on the but that's still that's a solid Sol last so they're not looking for any Trail on this so you're not you're not looking at that any Trail on this property is that correct Steve actually I haven't looked at the site plan we the the trail right now is envisioned to go uh behind the rink kind of between the

the rink and the soccer fields back that area so is that outside the boundary lines of this Pro this project I don't know I haven't this one Steve show I'm assuming that this is the line you were talking about along the back side of the soccer flu fields are here our projects over in here oh that's completely out of where that's the CBA there was discussion about expanding out the tence line and blocking off the I was a different request um what we would end up doing if you'd like us to is to do a baller gate system instead of extending the the fence line um extending the fence line would kind of negate the driveway access on that side so instead we do you know typical farm gate where it's just two swing doors it seems a little bit Overkill but we're more than happy to it was brought up by one of the ZB a members that he thought that people on site may come and park and hide in that spot I'm not that familiar with the rink and I know it gets a lot of traffic and there's a food pantry there but I don't know if someone would choose a short little driveway tode yeah they might you never you never know what drug deals are going to happen behind your place of business or your church or know behind the screening there or so what we could do is not on top of the card that we're putting in but out in front of the a b gate system

with you that just opens up that would stop anybody from parking in there not a big deal we can certainly add it if if you choose related to that are you having any security cameras on this no no no everything's alarmed so we know if there's an issue and it goes back to the central Hub of the network but no no on-site alarms or anything like that no on-site cameras cameras sorry yes I like the gate idea have you seen the one that just went here for wildlife resolutions remember their project a double on this end yeah I guess if those trees grew up there could be an area where somebody could pull back in there and hide once the trees got full so yeah it's probably a good idea we can do that though everybody else okay with it or no yes so there there was at the zba meeting nobody showed up from the public well there was basically zero opposition wow that's amazing people have crappy cell phones yeah appar want their phones to work not be a it was it was pretty nasty I think just getting there was bad getting on home you didn't planning board um planning office didn't receive any comments I'm shocked wow I thought my for sure the digital sign would have brought some people in no how long did you have that that was up for 2 or 3 days if not

longer I I don't know exactly when they picked it up I would say it was a little difficult to read because it was if so you're driving by unless you're driving by and looking off to the side it was very difficult to read yeah somebody somebody approached me on a comment didn't like the way it was where it was located and I'm like see you can give them you know no matter what you do it was can't make everybody happy yeah I got they approach you the key was an form people and that's what we did so yeah there were a lot of details on the hard sign that I had made to kog kuga sign put together for me and I assume that's still out on site in front of the facility as well you want to go through the photos the balloon photos so East Shore Drive location where is this one oh this one is Northeast from E Shore and 34 so it's this one right in front of storage right there TR looks pretty small from there we got up on the hill that's what they rendered

in the actual Tower so that's what it'll that's what it'll look like I'm surprised that it looks so small from there yeah no I mean it looks pretty big I mean to the neighbor prop it looks pretty we didn't get any comments we didn't get any comments this one is from Road this is T roore get a little closer it's a modle SP up right we haven't come up with invisible paint yet but when they do we will the first of well it's gray the environment here back one right there and where where you looking at from there that's that's like corner of eore circle there can't put you as you come around cor IA this way road comes over and around here and it's like the first house there at the right that's trees fing not going see much of course there people who you know the newly developed Lots across the street they're going to see it but we going get any comment on yeah how how high was the um the wall when we were doing the wall project remember how high that was no I high but it was pretty high it was I thought it was I thought it was like 8

something like that and that of course was bulkier Than This was oh yeah t when the leaves are in we won't see it B in that picture are you guys doing a b for demo when it it's obsolete uh normally we do I can't remember off hand if your code specifically calls for it I don't know if it does but it's a good idea to do it yeah anybody numers n you know I think we typically set up some some sort of bond for that but I'll double check with John our guy yeah I think we need to do typically what we do is supply a a signed and certified um removal estimate from our Engineers saying it's going to cost such and such to remove and then we mirror that with the bond amount and I think just our County attorney needs to just glance over to make sure it's fine [Music] right Mason how do we proceed do we have a resolution you can yeah are there any conditions that just something that that the guy is going to look over the uh the bond or whatever that cost if you would please anybody yeah the the other one is that they could change the red SE [Music] [Music]

and either a white spruce or more of the noru black Spruce yep nor white or black three options there thank you something that that deer wouldn't punch on I guess is what we have that's going to grow a [Music] faster okay sobody want to move this resolution second who second Tom yes Sandy yes John doofy yes Al yes Christine yes johnra yes D [Music] yes Brett when do you think you might do uh construction um now that we have zoning approval Next Step will be for us to apply for a building permit with the town um once I have the permit then they typically earmark the funds for it so if I had to Crystal Ball it it would probably be later this year early next depending on budget they may say oh we've got this this is great everything's lined up and they'll push it along as quickly as possible and get it into construction sooner but just nice parking the stage it's shovel in it's easy it's it's an easy build the access driveways makes them short I don't have to go up a mountain to do it so yeah did you ever find out why they didn't take that other site one this close F whatever happen the one to the north at a was it a storage facility or something car behind the car yeah away no I can't remember exactly what happened to with it it was a crown castle that was doing the work

for Verizon and what Crown typically does is they do speculative sites where they lease something and then Market it to the wireless carriers and I think it worked for a time being but then the network parameter changed and that now is too far north to kind of fit in to the pieces of the puzzle of the network it's not you know topography as we talked about before plays a real big role in that and if the site isn't in the right location then you end up with service deficiencies to the South if you were to put it too far north and your device won't hand off as it should as you're driving down the road from facility to facility facility so I think it boil down to the RF issue and I if I remember it was a pretty short Tower there too which was a little farther up here yeah yeah so it's it was probably the RF that's said you know we get updates and software and how everything fits together and it just didn't work for Verizon's Network so can you guys bring some more Towers in for the other part of Lancing North part that doesn't get surface it's uh others others it's little by little as I like to say Verizon's kind of the big wheel and has to keep on churning through things so as there are issues with the network and they what they typically do is they look to solve the biggest issues first so we know that this is a huge issue and there are so many drao calls or failed attempts in the area they're going to remedy that first then they'll get it on air and see how it performs and see what we can fit in with another site to the north and kind of Remedy that and it

always boils down to doubt sure but it's you know it's it's unfortunate that people who live in the more rural areas they you know some some areas in town can't get any of the cells you know Horizon AT&T nothing so I do a lot of work in the atantic park as well so you can imagine how that goes and when there is no service whatsoever so little by little as I like to say as the we get we get these built then they give us more money for the next we start working on those and as you can imagine it is some lead time to get a lease in place get all our materials ready to submit to folks like you for your review so little by little we kind of fill in all the gaps just curious what about satellite what are you guys looking there that'll never come about in our lifetime or what do you think it's coming about a little bit now for texting purposes okay only when you're out in the middle of nowhere and you have an incident you have hurt your ankle and you don't have normal cell phone service in the area you can SOS from your phone to a loved one to say hey I broke my ankle I'm here but for overall usage in network I don't think it'll ever come to fruition because you're not going to see the throughput speeds that modern devices and apps require all of our sites used to have copper running to them that was when it was phone only and essentially a two-way radio easy everything works now with people needing to watch the Bills game in their hand while they're mowing their lawn and they've got a beer in the other I suck in there through satellite

you're not going to be able to get that through without in my mind clouding the skies with so many satellites cuz as we know the Earth is round and they continually have to rotate so you need so many in orbit to have that connection and people are demanding speed you you you can't watch live TV without a robust Network on a device or a pad so it doesn't look like satellite will ever replace the cells no no I think what we're doing with this is a base station essentially I think they will always be here and I don't think they will ever go away there may be different tools in the toolbx to augment what's already there but I don't see things progressing to the point where the tower facilities or go away and we won't need them anymore is they're communication hubs essentially so I've seen some building permit come across building permits where there's been towers that are set up like 10 years ago and they switch out the raay up there that's just more efficiency or bigger or better what's that all exactly it's a combination of both um the original networks that were built had an omni antenna so a mast similar to what you see at fire departments it broadcasts in a round big broad area it used to cover a huge area because there weren't that many phones or devices on the network so as more users got cell phones the need came from well the the Omni antenna works we now need to sector eyesee so we went into what you see in a configuration like this where antennas point in three separate directions and there's different antennas for each frequency so your phone again is switching from Verizon's license under five different frequencies your phone is

switching seamlessly without you knowing giving you the fastest throughput to your device at any given time as you're again more the lawn or driving down the road um each of those frequency bands have their limitations on what they can do and the throughput that they do and the reach that they have so it's a cocktail let's say of different antennas that will give you more speed better speed part of that was also relocating the base station radios from the base station equipment to the towers so now we have what are called remote radio heads those remove the radios from the base station put them directly behind the antenna so you're minimizing the loss we used to run everything on coax cable which was copper core dialectric foam and then a copper outer that signal would bounce in between the two going up the tower facility so if you imagine a 200t tower that signal is going to degrade by the time it goes from the ground up to the antenna by moving the remote radio heads behind the antenna you minimize that loss giving you B better throughput data speeds to your phone so a lot of the building permits that you'll see for upgrades are changing out old antennas for new that are faster better than adding remote radio heads behind the antennas and do you give the like the police or the school district a break if they want to hang on absolutely you do give them a break yeah all they have to do is fill out a collocation application where they submit what they like to put on it their frequencies their wattages and and whatnot and as long as it doesn't interfere no problem well we do it quite often when we'll put again going back to the Omni police and fire typically still

use an omni antenna we can mount that wherever we can fit it in for for their use and typically it's free yeah for locally municipalities we don't you know we want want help everybody out the tow is there we built it and typically the loading that a fire department or a police department is going to put on is minimal compared to a full cellular Wireless array okay thank you bro yeah no problem and Lor thank you any else than thank you what else do I think we're all say is what oh uh Joe you have sure thank you thank you very much you too thank you start off by W welcoming Freddy to the board welcome it's your firste glad to have you here than um we had a pretty abbreviated meeting uh last week uh we did approve the uh developer agreement between Delaware solar and the town establishing a escrow account so that impediment has been moved past the town board I'm not sure how it fits into all what you're doing but that's the only thing that we did here that was really direct we're um met with our lawyers talking about yellow bar trying to put together the host Community agreement uh I'm not going to talk about the details of that but we're working on that and then they had their uh public hearing directly after our board meeting um which I'm not sure how much effect that's going to have because New York State basically said they're going to do whatever they want but they held a public Hearing in gron and we attended

it and I want you put in some specific comments we're pushing back on uh some of the stuff that uh yellow bar is trying to undo and it's a mess it's complicated and what what's I think the big our probably some of us the biggest concern is the fencing the burn and screening what's coming about on that you know is there is there going to be screening there will be screening um I think they're going to do more screening than our town law requires in some areas um the whole thing's going to be fenced um you can go online I can send you guys the link uh to the uh application it's you know with the OES uh it's that big so there's a lot to sort through but you can you can find the uh site plan pretty easily through it all um would you like me to send that to you guys sure okay I I'll get that to you next couple of days what was the escrow you said for the Delaware solers I'm sorry you said you said there was an escrow set up for Delaware solar yeah um is there a mount de cre on already or we we I we approved it I don't remember the details of the amount 2500 bucks if this is just so we'll do it like incrementally and this was just for their Swip and initial engineering reviews so we had our Engineers give us a quote and then they just send us a check and we Bank it into the asro okay and then there will be another one for landscaping and a third for the decommissioning Bond as well yeah guy's looking to have yeah yeah or he will be I still have to get it's on my list of stuff I thought I thought you looking like account like a utility payment to the town or something like that no this is just part of the process of being able to do uh the application process this is not any kind of formal agreement other than to help help move this

process forward there should be for the town to there should be some cash dollars to the town to allow them to put in there I mean that's what most of the solar Farms do now they pay even the small ones they they they said they wanted to do some kind of house Community agreement they have not reached out about that they have reached out about the trail um and they seem very uh eager to put a trail through their system they have not talked to us about a host commun agreement I gave her my card at the last meeting and I have not heard back from her on that I mean I think you need to look at what other communities are getting from the solar companies as far as the you know how much dollar amount and try and base your asking price on what the other communities are I know cobber just uh went through an agreement they got a pretty good dollar amount from from the proposed uh small solar farm there the the numbers range from about $3500 a megawatt to about $7,000 a megawatt um and it's all over it's based on locations seen that but that's the range I'm hearing and there was one I saw in a paper um I think it was out NAD DOA County where the Solar Company came up with a number and the town said no we want you to double it and they pushed back a little bit they said okay fine we'll give you what you want we want to come in so um you know so the cap the cap is always how much they would have to pay if they paid uh property taxes in full and that's based on a state formula State uh and it's a formula that keeps changing the state has a formula if they give the assessor's office that they say this is how you figure it out um so that's the cap that's that's in it this this um uh Town approval is in addition to that that uh tax property tax right but we can't push them past that because they'll just go no no property tax can but you can ask for more money for the host agree you can you can ask but you can ask whether we want but we can't

demand it no no yeah I do know there are some neighbors right against this uh abing this neighborhood which project are we talking the Delaware Sol project who I think their house would be uh impacted from visually and you know having this host Community agreement that could go towards not just the general fund but maybe some Community assets like the L and trails Community or something would be a prop positive for everyone we we basically said that uh the vast majority of solar money that's going to come in is going towards Parks yeah and right now the big one is uh rebuilding Meyers because we've been putting that off for a long time and so that's kind of at the top of the list of where the solar money is going to go um we've got three large ones and a couple small ones coming in I'm not sure how much money is going to come in and how much we can pour into the parks but I want to get the parks fully funded through this um there's a lot of renovation projects that we're looking at we're looking at some rebuild at loville to get people a better access to the falls uh things like that so there there's a lot of things uh in that Parks plan that need to be done and that's definitely where this solar money is where we left off with Del solar was last time they were here they said yeah you have to work out with the common the board not com uh that Community host Community agreement that wouldn't we wouldn't be uh negotiating it would be the me for yeah we could give them site plan approval with right right but I mean we can make recommendations to the town board to to ask it you know all they can say is no you know um I I've been attending seminars at the association of towns on how these things are done I'm definitely all over this and seeing how much we can get into our parks department because it's been underfunded for a long time we've got beautiful Recreation Department I don't want to put it down but they they've

been dying for money uh to like rebuild things like Meyers and fix up some of the other parks and we need to give them that money you need a new Bath House in Myers I know that thing that's probably the first thing they'll get funded that stuff is all built 60s and 70s mhm yep but of course with the federal government cutting back on uh money they're probably going to cut back on the solar tax credits which means most of these projects will go away um so oh yeah they they they need that 30% tax credit or they just don't uh cash flow so you think it's going to affect any of the local I think I think they all go away if that money uh dries up really yeah I think none of them will move forward without it h that that's what I'm hearing from the state anything else going on the down we have enough road salt we have plenty of road salt he's trying to run it down because he's going to move the salt Barn across uh that street so he's trying to kind of gauge it so that he has enough to make it through whatever snowfall there is but not have to move move anything yeah you know he's doing the best he can I hope I hope he makes that number right but we'll see is the highway Barn be out to bid or it's about to go out to bid I think they're just finishing up the bid documents we have not approved sending them out yet but we I think it might be on March's agenda and that's all locally funded all right so far yeah and there's no um vote on that at all local vote is that correct no the local had a chance to do a uh permissive referendum when we approved the bonds nobody came forward on those the bond money is all approved and that's that was where the locals could override the town board and they did not so I think we've got 20 million I might be wrong I can't

remember for sure somewhere in that neighborhood that the town board has the authority to bond and spend and and that's hopefully going to be over what period of time to pay off I think it's 30 years 30 years yeah don't quote me on any of those numbers I might have them slightly off but it's it's in those neighborhoods assuming that the feds don't bail uh when do you think this might actually start yellow bar wants to break ground this summer this summer yeah but that's assuming they get all their ducks in a row and they've been really bad about doing that um we we we've got some we have significant push back on their uh draft appc their draft permit um some in congruities um and groton's pushing for some stuff uh you in Gren they want to cut back the size of the um easement around it for fire department uh access and they want to make it smaller than the fire department needs in order to be able to do the work they need to do state is approving it temporarily maybe we can get that back maybe we can't this the state has cut back on our laws much more than I expected them to um and what how many acres is Lancing versus Gren on this one it's about a quarter of it in Ling maybe a third and that's how many acres in land I don't remember what the total acreage is top of my head but it's sizable it's sizable most of it's in Gren we had the interchange in uh laning um but most of it's in Gren and it's long and stringy it's a parcel here a few wires across and another parcel and and there is overhead connections between the different sites is that correct it's not underground um It's Going Underground under the swamp is my understanding and I don't know about the rest of them obviously it's above ground and landsing because it's got to connect to the wires

in the air right but I mean I think most of it's underground but I don't remember specifically I had a number of 800 acres in answering along no no that's total total usually that SI of the Sol that's what they mentioned okay so you're talking a couple hundred acres something like that yeah but again acreage and number of solar panels are not consistent uh because we've got the interchange that's going to take up uh I don't know 5 Acres or something uh and then some of its connections between the uh various panels and such and and where is The Interchange located what road is it close to the road or is that b no it's right on the road and what road is it van it's on Van Al what do you think so it's it's next to the over the it's next to the overhead crossing right there that's the way I understand no no they don't need our approv them State over they they they don't really care what the town has to say um we we we put in formal you know we had a uh engineering for lumella go over everything find the inconsistencies find uh good arguments to push our law and then Hardy Crest wrote up comments specifically they were at the uh public hearing verbally gave them comments and then send in much more extensive written comments so we're doing what we can to push things as much as we can but I'm not expecting very much um the whole process has been designed to overrule whatever the town wants and have these things

built hi I don't me so so this Delaware solar goes through our but there is such a bigger project that why you H 25 uh megawatts it goes to the state oh state state says you have local control except when we don't want you to which is at that level and they say we we're not advancing the state's objectives fast enough so they took that power away well I think what they were saying is everybody saying not in my community and they wanted to overrule that but um and then they said we don't want to follow local laws too much because people just rule it impossible to be built by you know setting up our zoning so that you can't do it with you know too large a margins between them things like that um but I think theyve stepped a little bit too far of not uh giving the town any input whatsoever thanks Joe any other questions so since we have a new member on the board ready we'll go around and introduce ourselves goad John start yeah uh John Citra um L resident 15 plus years or so but on board maybe a year I don't know and then uh I with my g j I work for the city of IA as a civil welcome thanks hi Sandy Dennis the board like 7 years I've been um L for know 35 38 years in L and I work as a finance manager we met at the interview process Dean Shay um residential Ro modelers and gr Builders as my company U lived in Lancing since about 64 so

little little while Christine has I have lived in L probably about 10 years but overall on Top This County forever um I work for cor University of M States Department I've been on the board I was actually on the board as a 10th and you are um and now I'm who are you yeah I'm John duy like you grew up here at high school so to my life tell us about you yeah uh so my name is Freddy Val Frederick is my fullone name you can all call me Freddy um my wife grew up here so we ended up here uh she moved up here in 2008 we were living down in New York City I'm from Long Island originally so I moved up in 2010 probably around there somewhere I work for a technology company in courland um a freelance writer and a musician uh and so happy to you know get more involved in what's going on in my community you I've been talking to Tom about it for years right you know Tom one way or the other or pardon he's curious how you know each other yeah yeah I was at his wedding I guess I said something and his wife uh was was T lived in a cottage next to that's I believe Tom recruited him to this board you put his name I suggested that I staff down here I'm KY derer I've been here going on two years and I am the information aid for the planning and code office and the clerk of the Planning and Zoning

Board and I'm Mason I'm the planner I've been here for a little over a year uh came from Syracuse and I'm sure work pleasure meet you didn't you do some work with the town before you came on board I think no okay okay Freddy and John and Freddy I talked with um um John and they he's going to get you guys are going to get him some uh websites to access so they get more information right we just finished it I think John has it for his final edits and you should be sending it everybody so you guys get it you a motion to close the meeting just want to make it clear that if there's any um cost for training the town covers that so if you see something that says $25 to attend it the town will cover those costs yeah through your email you you see State planning Federation as and learns there's one this Thursday the 27th um that are hour long and we have what Kelly what's our requir we have like four four hours four hours of the training for that and then the two hours for the dealing with difficult people and sexual harassment are the other two but um four four hours of um planning related stuff and there is um what is that are they um this year for the planning Federation what is in coper town it's in Cooper town is anybody going it's often in Saratoga but this year it's in coer town is anybody going that that's something really good to go to if you would like to especially your first year to um

because they have the basic classes on new different different types of um U projects that come come before us because they have different classifications so and those classes count toward or four hours training yeah you can do that all in one p swoop if you if you go to Cooper and again the town covers the cost of that okay do we know what that is first weekend in April I think it so it's pretty close to that yeah first weekend in May it's it's a Sunday Monday April ail Sunday evening Monday's the big day and then Tuesday half day closer than SC I was going to go to the the just one [Music] day I'm thinking of going because again this year we're ramping up to redoing the zoning and so this Bo's going to be heavily involved in that too I assume to Jour John we did this we did on this side all right we're out of here thank you everybody