Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

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Almost there. All right. So, uh, we're ready to go, Mr. Chair, if you are. All right. Perfect. Well, good evening, everybody. Today is Wednesday, May the 6th, 2026. The time is 6:30 p.m., and I will call this meeting of the Lakewood Planning Commission to order. Will the K clerk please call the role? Jim Merritt here. Mark Hair here. Christian Flores here. Robert Estrada here. Katie Crook here.

Both Lynn Larson and Sharon Wallace are not at this meeting. You do have quorum. Outstanding. Thank you. Will you all please uh stand and join me in the pledge of allegiance? I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, justice for all.

All right. Thank you everybody. Thank you for being here. the massive crowds in attendance here at the Lakewood City Hall this evening and those of you watching at home. I trust all the council or the um uh commission members have had an opportunity to review our previous minutes from April the 15th. I would entertain a motion to approve those minutes. Is there a second? It's been motioned by Commissioner Flores and seconded by Commissioner Merritt that the meeting minutes from Dece or April the 15, 2026 be approved. Is there any discussion? Seeing none and hearing none, we will move to a vote. All those in favor of approving the minutes, please signify by saying I. I.

I. All those opposed, please signify by saying no. Eyes have it. The motion is approved and and the meeting minutes are approved. Uh are there any agenda updates, Miss Spear? Uh Mr. Chair, we would just ask that you change the order. So the second item uh is the legacy plan update and then the third item will be the task force appointments

noted. All right. So item number two will be the parks legacy plan status update and item number three will now be the finalizing members of the national environment natural environment and climate change program task forces. All right, we'll move on to public comment. Public comments or testimony on public hearings are accepted by mail, email, or by inperson or virtual attendance. Mail comments to K Karen Devo, Planning Commission Clerk, 6000 Main Street Southwest, Lakewood, Washington, 98499, or email k devo at cityoflakewood. us. Comments received by noon on the day of the meeting will be provided to the commission electronically. For all inerson virtual comments, each person has three minutes to speak. Attendees are allowed to speak during public comment or public hearings only. Those attending in person will be called on by the chair. Those attending via Zoom should use the raise hand function to indicate they wish to speak. Once the chair calls your name, you will be unmuted. First, state your name and city of residence and then provide your testimony. So, that being said, we'll start. Miss Dero, is there anybody on or Miss Spears, anybody online for public comment?

No one online, sir. No one online. And I see no member of the public here in the chamber tonight. That being said, we will declare this public comment period closed. We'll move on to public hearings for historic landmark designation application for Lakewood Best Western. All of the same guidance uh for the public comment section is also applicable for the public hearing. This time we will start in chambers. Is there anybody who would like to make comments for the public hearing tonight? Uh, Mr. Chair, if you don't mind, I and then Billy Stewart, the planner in charge of this application, have a few comments for uh prep before the hearing.

Outstanding. Okay, I'll get started and then Billy will take over. So, I'm going to start with uh sharing my screen. Make sure you can see that if you could confirm for me. We have your PowerPoint.

Okay, great. Thank you. Uh so this was just brought to you at the last meeting and uh as was said at that point, tonight is the public hearing that is handled through uh Lakewood Municipal Code Chapter 2.48 and this is a somewhat unusual public hearing for the planning commission because you are not going to be gathering this information to inform a recommendation yourselves to council. You are holding this public hearing in order to gather information that will go back to the planning and public works department and the historic preservation officer who is the department director who would then make a decision regarding this application that goes forward to council. So what we're doing tonight is providing the opportunity for public comment. I will said that we did get several written comments that were included in your packet this evening. Uh and other than that we'll see if anyone testifies tonight. So there are two different types of historic designations that a property can be nominated for. Uh either landmark or community landmark. The landmark designation is what the Lakewood Best Western owners have applied for again under a Lakewood municipal code chapter 2.48. Uh and it is through that code process whereby an applicant submits it, it gets reviewed and then it's ultimately the city council that decides whether or not to designate. With the community landmark st uh designation, it's a slightly different process. It's not as formal and there is no public hearing for that one. But what we're talking about tonight is a landmark designation application. U there were some questions at the last meeting regarding the benefit to being designated a landmark in uh the city of Lakewood. And so just a little bit of background here as well. There is a state valuation tax program. Um there's

a 10-year period in which uh the property owner or improvements that they may make to properties are eligible for uh sorry decreased taxes on that improvement for 10 years. And then there's also a federal federal income tax credit of 20% of renovation costs if there is a property that's actually designated on the national register. So just to clarify, the state tax program, the city of Lakewood adopted what was needed to be adopted at the city level to allow people to go for this um uh benefit if they are designated by the city of Lakewood. So, if the city council ultimately designates this property as a landmark, then those property owners could then seek the tax uh deduction, but it would be up to them to do so in order to be considered a landmark. Um, I'm going to start to turn this over to Billy now. Um, but if there's anything else here, let me get through really quick. I'm going to go ahead and turn it over to Billy. Um, and let me know, Billy, if you'd like to work off of this or or your own uh document.

I'll just continue on yours, Tiffany. Um, I guess we can go to the next slide.

Okay. Um, so designation criteria, there's a few there's five different criteria that the applicant would have to show that this landmark meets in order to meet the criteria for us to allow it. Um I'll just go over those criteria and how they answered. So the first one is the landmark is associated with events that have made a significant contribution to the board patterns of national or excuse me the broad patterns of national state or local history. The applicant's response was the liquid best western formerly known as the motor in was built in 1965 and was the first hotel in the Lakewood area. Number two is associated with the lives or persons significant in national, state or local history. Applicants response, the hotel was the first hotel in Lakewood area. Again, um establishing a commercial lodging for visitors which is significant to the city's local history. The third question or criteria is embodies the distinctive characteristics of a type, period or style or method of design or construction or that represents a significant and distinguishable entity whose components may lack individual distinction. Applicants response the best western Lakewood had maintained its distinct colonial style architecture which is consistent with the surrounding buildings in the colonial center. Number four has yielded or may be likely to yield information important in prehistory or history. Applicants response was the hotel was the first hotel established within the area uh now in the city's boundary. Last question is is an it is an an outstanding work or of a designer or builder who has made a substantial contribution to the art. applicants response was although built within the Colonial Center, the site was not designed by a substantial designer. So, those were just how they answered um

based off of tonight's hearing and if we have any public comment, we'll go ahead and take all of that into consideration. Uh like Tiffany mentioned, we did receive, to my knowledge, at least one written comment which was in opposition um from a resident. I haven't seen any others come in yet. So, possibly we'll get more tonight and then based off of how things go, I'll take that all into consideration, uh, include it in a new staff report and make my recommendation.

Uh, thank you, Billy. And then just for reference sake, because at one point, I think the planning commission was asking whether it could make comment on this as well. And the response I got back from the city attorney first of all was that yes, if you want to voice um any sort of uh feedback to the historic preservation officer rather than have any of the individual planning commissions commissioners testify during the hearing, I can just gather that comment from you uh as you're there on the deis and I will provide that to Billy as well when she puts together her next staff report. Uh but just for reference sake, these are the other properties within Lakewood that are currently considered either state and or federal landmarks. Botman Ainsworth House, the Little Red Schoolhouse, Fort Stilicum, Lakewood Gardens, Roadslay, Thornwood, Woodbrook Hunt Club, Bird Cemetery, and Flet House. So, um this was gone over a little bit last time. Billy, I don't know if you want to say anything else. you've already kind of covered uh what was there. But these are just some um graphic representations and uh as far as what the hearing is about, if anyone testifies, this is all that the hearing is focused on is whether the resource or the property meets the criteria in the code and then whether it merits designation. Um and then also if people wanted to testify about the significant features of the landmark. So that is that is what will be taken into account should there be any comments received. Uh and then Billy already went through this and so that is the end. Thank you Mr. Chair. Um what we're going to do now is uh ask you to hold the hearing.

Outstanding. We'll now uh receive public hearing on the historic landmark designation application for Lakewood Best Western. Uh one last look, Miss Spear. Is anyone wishing to speak online? There is no one online, Mr. Chair. Is there any member of the public here with us tonight in the city hall council chambers who would like to testify in this public hearing? Seeing none and hearing none, we would declare this public hearing closed. We move on to item number two, 2026 parks legacy plan status update. Miss Spear.

Thank you, Mr. Hair. Tonight, you have there at the podium with you Ted Thielen, who's an associate planner in our parks department, who will be walking through a presentation. And uh Ted, just let me know when to advance the slides.

Okay. Uh check. Good. Okay. So, I am Ted Dan, associate planner in the parks, recreation, and community services department. Uh, I am helping to put together the 2026 legacy plan update. So, this will just provide a brief overview of kind of what we're doing and where we're at right now. We're uh about halfway into the process. Next slide. Okay. So, the legacy plan is a 20-year comprehensive park, recreation, open space, and trail strategic plan, or you may have seen the acronyms pro, pros, or prost. Uh, this is an update to the vision, goals, and progress on actions. Uh, we are updating the inventory, level, and service, and programming outputs of our parks and, uh, park programs. Uh, and this update will include a new trails section. So, how our trails uh meet up with the regional trail system um as well as where any gaps are in our trail section. Uh we will also identify and quantify future park and recreation needs uh and that's based on level of service and identified gaps or potential growth areas depending on density. Uh and also we will be updating the capital improvement plan uh to a a 12 to 15 year outlook uh with a focus on planning and end of asset life cycle replacements. And we will also now be including a strategic management chapter to advance those goals. So next slide. This is the structure of the plan. Um basically the the structure lines out where we are right now. Uh what our goals and priorities are. uh the demographics of the people of Lakewood.

It takes inventory of our parks assets, our trails, and recreation programming. Uh and then we do a demands and needs analysis to see where we may have gaps um or what we could add that other cities have uh for like a simil similar population. uh and also uh the capital facility program as I just explained and then that strategic management chapter of how are we going to implement this plan and maintain the parks and programs that we add to it. Here's the timeline and this is just showing 2026 but we did start the process in 2025 uh mostly with just uh public survey uh and other engagement at different uh Lakewood city events uh and at parks in general. Uh so right now we're in the section of inventory and evaluate. So, we're collating all our data and uh beginning to do analysis. And then as we move into June and July, we will be uh strategizing and roughing out a draft of the entire plan. And then moving on into late summer and the end of the year, uh we will be presenting the draft plan, uh doing more community engagement to get people's feedback on the draft plan, uh integrating that feedback, and then submitting to council for approval. So, next slide. There we go. Okay. So, here is the uh Lakewood Park system inventory. And this map on the left shows a 10-minute walk shed. It's just a draft a draft map. It's not like a full analysis, just sort of just to show you kind of what it will look like. Um, we are updating our parks uh classification system.

So right now the types of parks that we have are neighborhood parks and those are smaller local parks uh with general amenities, tables, benches, uh playgrounds, things like that. Uh examples would be Oakbrook Park, Active Park, Washington Park. Um these are just meant to serve about a half a mile radius. Uh just one one or two neighborhoods depending on the situation. Uh community parks are medium-sized parks with special use amenities or water access. Uh, and that's a big piece in this uh this update is water access just generally. Um, examples include American Lake Park, Harry Todd Park, Kiwanis, uh, Springbrook, Wards Lake, uh, and Edgewater, uh, pending its in progress development. Right now, it's not a community park, but it will be once it's finished. We're in progress. Um, and Wards Lake. Now, I I don't know if any of you have been there. Uh, it looks fantastic. a huge upgrade that was just just opened this month uh or just last month. Uh and it is now a signature community park. Um basically the the difference between a community park and a signature park is it's somewhere between a community and a regional park. Um Fort Stilicum is our only regional park and WSlake Park doesn't quite rise to that that level of uh park amenity or park access. Um, a big part of being a regional park is access to transportation, uh, as well as number of amenities, um, and, you know, capacity essentially. Um, Wards Lake we do expect to draw more people than a regular community park. Um, but not as much as Fort Stilicum, so it kind of falls in the the in between there. Uh, I'll skip by regional parks. I sort of already explained Fort Stilicum. Uh, we also have natural areas. Uh, and those are found standalone as well as in developed parks. So, Fort Silicon Park

and Wards Lake Park both have natural areas that are integrated into the park space. Um, and there's also just open space or habitat like the Chambers Creek Canyon area, Flet Creek and Blueberry Park uh and Celely Lake and the South Puget Sound Wildlife Area, which those uh those last two are not actually uh owned or maintained by Lakewood entirely, but they do lie in the borders and we do count them for walkshed or access to open areas, that sort of thing. Uh we also have urban parks and those come in nodal and linear parks. So nodal parks are things like the Colonial Plaza or our public water access street ends uh which right now we're working on the Westlake street end as a pilot for that project and then more to follow after that project is complete. Um and linear parks are things like the Gral Lake loop or the future uh Green Street loop. So, these are essentially paths but with amenities. So, paths with rest areas, potentially restrooms, uh playgrounds, uh sort of just a long park that connects two places. Uh and then we're also including trails. So, these are marked paths designed for walking, hiking, or biking uh with recreational spaces of respite, uh interpretation, and enjoyment. So, trails are more than just a sidewalk or just a path. Um, it's usually tied into some sort of amenity or walking through nature, something of that sort. Next slide. So, community outreach and visioning. Um, we started phase one in August of 2025. Uh, and that that was a survey that went through February 2026. Um, we have that survey back. We got the results, but we haven't finished the analysis. Um there are a few slides that

include a very preliminary analysis just to show you the types of questions we asked. Um we also reached out to neighborhood associations and key stakeholder groups. Uh cultural allies and engagement partners uh as well as setting up uh a stall at community pop-up events like the street festival, farmers market, summerfest uh and other uh city events and local gatherings. And then phase two will be from May to September. Uh and again that's that's more focused on uh actually looking at the plan and getting the plan in front of people and having them comment on the the draft plan and then incorporating that into the final plan. The survey had more than 500 respondents um which is frankly quite good for a city of this size. uh that ran again from August to February of this year and we also did an email blast to active users. Uh there were over 800 participants in that. Uh we also did presentations to local neighborhood associations and uh attended community cleanup and had the survey on the city website. So here is one of the questions that we asked and that was how would you rate the quality of the following park elements in Lakewood today. Uh and this didn't focus on any one specific park. It's just sort of a generally in Lakewood how do you feel that these amenities are um and you can see sort of a breakdown of the playgrounds are generally wellreceived and the fishing peers and sports courts could have some room for improvement. And here are the top three priorities for improvements. Um, and both of the top two priorities are walking trails, whether paved or unpaved. So, obviously,

uh, people want to walk in nature. That's one of the the biggest things we see asks for, and we do have opportunities to provide that. So, that's fantastic. Uh, you can go ahead and go to the next slide. So here we asked,"What are your reasons for not using City of Lakewood parks or programs?" Uh, and thankfully the top response is that none of the reasons we asked are a reason to prevent usage. Um, but unfortunately one of the top reasons to not use our parks is that people were citing safety concerns. Um, again, this analysis isn't done yet, but a lot of those responses were citing specific events um rather than general feelings of unsafe. Um, so there there is room for improvement, but also we'll have to find a way to to pick that out a bit or, you know, potentially uh up staffing like safety staffing, policing, that sort of thing. So the key themes we took from the survey are that people want trails and paths for walking and running. They want water access and water related activities. Uh they want support facilities like restrooms, seating and shelters. Uh special special use facilities like dog parks, skate parks, um splash parks come up a lot. Expanded and improved programming of sites. So just improving the parks that we already have, uh maintaining and preserving park quality, uh increasing information about facilities and programs, addressing park safety concerns, uh and evaluating uneven access to parks, especially with safe walkable access to local and community parks. And that ties in with the trails network as well. So, another thing we're adding to the

2026 update is priorities and populations for programming. Um, and this concentrates on our our five identified populations are lowincome, youth, seniors, and older adults, BIPOC, and persons with disabilities. So, we're just taking a a close eye and making sure that we are serving, uh, these priority populations with both amenities, uh, connections and programming. Um, and we do this through facility access and rentals, uh, wellness and active lifestyle programs and special events, level of service. Uh, this is the fun stuff, the analysis. So earlier on a slide, I showed you a map that had a a basic 10-minute walk shed. Basically, you know, the the shaded area was anywhere that can walk to a park within 10 minutes, and you can pretty clearly see there were a few gaps across the city. Um it it'll be a little more complicated than that, but the end result will be a map that essentially produces a gap of service. Uh we want to make sure also that we have an adequate number of amenities to meet growing demand. Um so we are doing benchmarking based on uh peer cities to look at how many facilities of each type we have per population to make sure we're relatively on par uh with other jurisdictions of like size and like age. Um we're looking at having a connected trail and active transportation system. So we're looking at the completeness of and access to individual trail systems and the continuity with the regional trail network. So trying to make sure we're not only connecting with the regional trail network but also having a a full path between branches of that

network. uh we're looking at user experience and mostly we're drawing from the the legacy plan survey on that as well as the data that we we get from uh community events uh and cherettes like you can see on the right there in the in the photo. Uh and also we're looking at access to programming and that was with the priority populations making sure that we're we're serving the right populations at the right intensity and with a return on public investment. So our preliminary findings from benchmarking uh we compared to peer cities and the NRPA average for cities of a similar size and Lakewood has a lower ratio of playgrounds, sport courts, sports fields, and trails compared to similar cities. Um and that doesn't mean we're far behind. We've just identified that we're somewhat behind in in these areas. Um, our system does include some, but not all, special use facilities typical of a similarly sized city. Uh, our amenities include dog parks, community garden, skate parks, pump track, and a mountain bike course. Now, uh, both of those added at Wards Lake Park recently. Um, we do not have a splash pad or a community recreation center, but we do have both a YMCA and a Boys and Girls Club that provide a similar type of experience in the city and within the city's borders. Um, so we are looking at that as well. Uh, like one thing specifically, we don't have many tennis courts, but we do have the racket club, so that somewhat fills that gap, but there is still room for improvement. So here this slide shows the cities that we selected to be our peer benchmarks and we were directed to select cities that had a similar population as well as

having incorporated uh at a similar time as Lakewood um to sort of see cities that have achieved you know the same sort of thing in the same amount of time. uh and these were uh estimated at the 2024 population mark just to keep them all the same. That was the data that was available that was similar across the board. Um so Lakewood established uh 1996 with a 62,000 population. You can see the cities that are close are Burian, Seamish, and Shoreline. And the graph here shows uh how Lakewood stacks up. Lakewood being the blue line. Uh in amenities per 10,000 residents. Uh so I'll I'll just just walk through the first one. You can see picnic facilities. We have about 2.75 uh picnic facilities per 10,000 residents. Uh which puts us far ahead of Samish uh but behind Shoreline. And here we have this will be part of the strategic management chapter and it's essentially how we decide on uh when to replace uh equipment when equipment becomes at the end of its life cycle or if it should be replaced before that. Uh and the criteria that we use to decide life cycle and replacement. Uh we have the PACA scoring, the park asset condition assessment. And that's where our operations and maintenance staff will periodically uh walk through a park and there's a classification system one to three for each amenity. Uh everything in the park, benches, playgrounds, amenities, landscaping, paths, restrooms, and they'll give everything in the park a score. Uh, and we compare that to the previous scores, see what's changing, uh, how quickly amenities are degrading or needing replacement. Um, as well as if they're at their the end of their noted life cycle. So, if we have a

piece of equipment that says it's a 15-year piece of equipment, if it's coming up, then we know that's going to be one of the next things that needs to be replaced if we haven't done so already. Uh, we also use community engagement. Uh so we use visioning as well as we map trends and emerging interests and needs. Um so even if something might not be at the end of its life cycle uh if people aren't using it uh or if the people who are local to it uh don't really want that amenity they want something else uh we take that into account. Uh we also look at uh current design and permitting. So making sure that uh everything is up to today's standards, today's building standards uh including ADA accessibility uh and also funding uh is always something we have to consider. Um we pull from several different funding sources uh the city general fund and park specific revenues, uh grant funding, uh private donations, and actually the the plan itself. Oh, sorry. Uh the legacy plan itself uh is essentially a document made specifically to be able to apply for specific grant funding, grant sources uh and meet those requirements. And so here I'll just leave you again with the uh the overall timeline of when things will be happening and what has already been done. And if you have any questions, I will be happy to field them. Commissioner Strada.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I have uh one comment and three questions. I'd like to ask like to make a comment and just ask one question then after the commissioners asked theirs, I'll come back. First of all, comment regarding Wars Park. Lovely, beautiful. I like the fact that there's three public access uh two adjacent to um uh residential areas. Then the one that leads to the main street and two of them have parking and your dog park up there is nice also. So anyway, it's a very nice park. If you all haven't been there, you got to go. Yes, it's nice. Very nice. It's beautiful. They did a great job.

Yeah, that's So that was my comment. My question is, so number three on the list of what can we improve is water access. How do you propose to do that? I mean and and what access are we talking about? I mean what areas of access are we talking about?

Um water access includes not only just access to view the water and enjoy near the water also swimming, boating, fishing, any activities that could be done on, you know, a public lake, river, uh or body of water. Um because of the way Lakewood was developed and because most of the development was done before incorporation in 1996, uh a lot of the lakes have private development almost encircling them. Um and the creeks as well. Um the wetlands are a little bit more accessible like you see at Wards Lake. Um but we have several several programs running right now. We have a street ends program uh that right now is working on uh Westlake Street End and uh that program will provide some water access basically um access to the water uh where you can enjoy the water, enjoy the view. Um it won't have you know boating or a boat launch, anything like that, but just general amenities like a rest park that people in the neighborhood can go enjoy the waterfront. Uh people who don't already live on the waterfront. Um, as well as making sure that we maintain uh the access points that we do have. So, boat launches at American Lake. Uh, we're renovating Edgewater uh to provide more water access. Uh, we're also going through a master planning process for Camp Murray right now. Uh, which isn't in Lakewood, but it does serve many Lakewood residents. Um, being right down in the Tikcom neighborhood between Tikom and Camp Murray. Um, so it it is challenging. Uh it's very difficult and there's uh a lot of need and not a ton of opportunity. Uh but we're turning over every stone.

Do we have a plan for the street in improvements? Written plan. The plan right now we're running a pilot program for the west the Westlake street end is the pilot program uh for the street ends. It's the pilot site. Uh once that's complete, we'll be we've already done an evaluation of all the possible street ends. Um but but council will be deciding which ones we move forward with once the pilot is done once they evaluate more criteria. Thank you. Thank Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Uh I have one question, Mr. Thelen. Um I want to be careful about the way I phrase this. It just it's striking to me that on the program priorities and populations we specifically call out the BIPO community and I'm just curious how you prioritize the BIPO population with regard to community assets and resources like this like what does that look like in in real world application?

Sure. So we have several areas of the city um specifically the international district where the the primary language spoken uh is a high percentage of uh Korean or Spanish or uh tool I believe I'm pronouncing that right. Um essentially we want to make sure that parks are accessible and uh available to people of all walks of life, all cultures, all languages. So providing information in different languages can help people access programs um providing instructors of those programs that speak different languages. Um that's just language is just one facet of that. But that that gives you an idea of the types of things we would be looking at to make sure that we're providing for that population.

Okay. Thank you. Does any other commissioner have another question? Commissioner Estrada, did you have a second question? I do. And anyone else has a question? No. For sure, sir. Thank you, sir. A couple of quick questions. Um, Ponder Park, that wasn't listed there, but in fact, it it was designated a park years back with a bench there. And so, any plans for that? Is that going to just stay as it is, or you going to try to improve it?

It is still a park. Uh, it is still listed. We didn't enumerate every single park uh in this presentation. Um but it is still counted as a park. It it is a uh nodal urban urban park is what it's considered uh down by Ponder's Corner. Um at this time I don't know of any specific plan to update that park particularly, but it is in the legacy plan and if it is identified as a potential place to fill gaps or provide amenities to a population that needs them, we would definitely consider it. And another question, the red barns, uh, isn't that part of the park uh, program to improve or is that separate?

The H barns. Yes. Yes. Yeah, that's that is part of it. Uh, it's considered part of Fort Stilicum Park. So, it is in the legacy plan as a feature of Fort Stilicum Park. Okay. Okay. So, no. Okay. But but did you but the park department is not playing a big role in that. It's more more it's more um uh private, isn't it? Well, the funding will be but the parks department will be involved with the planning and the design and implementation. Okay, sir. And that's all I have. Thank you.

Uh Mr. The one more question. the current um project for the non-motorized access trail from Tilum into the main part of Lakewood a as that project is completed uh will that fall under Lakewood's purview with regard to um trails and or you may not know this but also who's responsible for uh the safety of that area post completion. I I do know that we'll take it into account in our trail section as well as our non-motorized connections. Um yeah, I think the the parks director will be able to answer that question better. So I'll let Roxan take that one.

Roxan Miles, the director for park, recreation, community services. So thank you for the question. that actually is under control of Pierce County uh because it is part of the federal lands and the agreement that they maintain that on behalf of the base and so they've also been given permission to do uh the construction of it in order to tie it to all together in the nonmotorized plan. So what we're looking to do is really build on Lakewood's non-nownized plans, see how it ties into other regional systems and identify those urban loops beyond what we already have with the grally loop trail and what's planned for the green loop trail and see what some of those possibilities of connections are. So again, this plan is aspirational. It starts to see a vision for how those connections can take place. Um, and if I could, I want to step back to ponder. So, one of the important parts with the level of service, as you noticed, it did highlight our local parks and our community parks, and that's what's mapped of what should be within somebody's 10-minute walk shed and also Fort Silicon. But in terms of measurement, right, everybody should have that type of park experience. It won't be the same one whatever they walk within. We do see ponders as more what's called that urban node, as he said. So, we don't count that as somebody's park, but these loops and these urban trails, there should be places where you can stop, right? You can rest. There's a viewpoint. And so, that really gets looked at as more of a system of services and trying to connect things together. So, people don't have to use vehicles and they can both recreate and commute on those trails versus it being their park with all the added amenities. As you mentioned, those community parks then have a lot of special features. skate parks, dog parks, and how many of those we need is what part of this plan will say as well.

Perfect. Hopefully that helps. One more question if I may. Mr. Estrada,

please. Um, you mentioned the Graly Lake Loop as an urban park. How that's just a walk around a round houses basically because you can't even get close to the to the lake. So why was that considered a urban park? Yeah, it, you know, terminology they call it a lineal park. Just a fair fun way to say a shared use path. What distinguishes it from just a set of sidewalks is the fact that there are those uh benches. There's places to rest. It's a larger section. It actually has a a parking lot and a place for people to start and end. So, it in itself can be that experience. And because Lakewood is fairly built up, right, it is going to be those type of experiences within our urban environment, but looking more how those loops not only close themselves, but connect people into parks and other public places as well. So most of that is all going to be done even though it's going to be captured in this plan, it's going to most of it's in the rightway. So, it's going to happen through a partnership with planning and public works where the natural trail sections are ones and things that trails that go off of the rideway and connect in other places will be the purview and some of the grants and design that parks takes forward. But already just connecting between jurisdictions to see where those re new regional shared youth paths even if they are on the roadway or separated from the roadway all can connect together is one of the visions that the plan will bring forward. Thank you. Thank you.

Any other questions from any other commissioner? No. Director Miles, thank you so much. Uh Mr. Thielen, thank you so much for your time and your presentation this evening. Mr. Spear, I believe we moved on to item number three, finalizing members of the National Environment and Climate as you were the natural environment and climate change program task forces.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I'll share one more uh presentation for everyone. And again, this is a topic that um has been before you before. Um, but tonight is scheduled to be when you take final action on naming those who will serve on the various identified task forces to help uh develop and then uh recommend a natural environment and climate change program changes to our code and our comprehensive plan uh come next spring. So, uh just a quick legislative history. In March of this year, the city council asked the planning commission through improve uh in expansion of its work plan to convene task forces. And the language within the motion that the council adopted was that the um task forces would have no more than seven members composed of topical subject matter experts and community representatives. And then uh within each committee or task force, there would be no more than two planning commission members. I have verified that that is um the rule to go by. So as we move forward in this conversation, there's two of the four task forces where that um will be something you need to consider. The uh planning commission reviewed uh the first list of task force members on April 15th. There was a request for additional time for business community representatives to be uh invited. And since then, uh, I myself reached out to the Chamber of Commerce in Lakewood, as well as Tacoma Pierce County. Also reached out to the MBA of Pierce County, Masterbuilders, and the Association of Realtors. And then the one that's not on here as well is the uh, Korean Women's Association and Asia-Pacific Cultural Center. So, just a reminder, what we're doing here is adding this process of these task forces that feed into what the planning commission already does, which is advise the city council and provide

updates to it regarding a number of different topics. So, um again, one more history review. last fall there was an initial um kind of informal request for uh interest and then in February um that should say February 26, excuse me, there was this change to the work plan for the planning commission. Last month was the call for uh business interest task force members once everything is set in place for who the members are going to be. They are going to be working basically now through June of 2027. And then just a heads up that this process will repeat itself uh in mid27 in order to create the next set of task forces. Don't know how many there will need to be but they will be focused on transportation uh more so than the urban forestry or other climate change specific related things that are in the current set. So um a timeline here in somewhat graphic form. Uh assuming things move forward this evening with your final recommendation um or adoption I should say in May. So by the end of this month we would have the first task force starting to meet and that is the one that addresses uh creation of a 10-year implementation plan as well as a 3 to 5year work plan. And then you'll see in June it's a busy month. Three of the four task forces would meet. In July, it's two of the four. Slows down a little. In August, we're back to two in September. We're back to three in October, one in November, and then December through next April. There's a hiatus. Then finally, uh, next April and May, the second task force, which is, uh, regarding the sub elements being drafted for our comprehensive plan, will reconvene. And then come spring 2027, when all of this work is done, the planning commission will take a look at all of the recommendations from all four task

forces as part of what it then recommends to the city council with the 2027 comprehensive plan amendment process. So, we're going to braid what comes out of the neck program work and the task force work into next year's comprehensive plan cycle. So, here's the list. And again, I mentioned uh before the meeting began to some of you, there has been a slight change in the number or or sorry, the yeah, the number and then the names of people than what was in last week's um packet that was compiled because we've had some responses from business interests since. But here you have those that have expressed interest in task force one, which is again creating the implementation uh and the work plans. It's a range of um organizations and then interest but it does go above the number of uh representatives on the task force that the city council set out. So what I have included here is a recommendation to remove Amy Torres and also the TAPC car representatives because those two uh either individuals or organizations are on at least one other task force. By taking those two off, you still end up with the seven members and a planning commission uh representative as anticipated for this task force. Task force number two actually very conveniently worked out to seven members. So you have again the list of representatives you saw last time. No change here except for Hannah Tol who joined us from the Asia-Pacific Cultural Center. Uh and Dr. class man from climate pierce county. So this is uh in my opinion a really nice well-rounded group of residents and technical experts to address those sub elements in the uh comprehensive plan.

Task force three is another one that uh is a recommendation to remove some people in order to meet the minimum or the maximum number I should say. But this is the one related to the creation of the city's urban forest management plan. And again, you'll see there's now a representative requested from uh the realtor's association. What we are recommending here is that Dr. Derek FA with Clover Park Technical College not be on this one because he is on at least one other task force. And then again, Amy Torres is already on another task force as well. By removing those two, you would have eight people. But then you also have right now two planning commission members that volunteered for this one. So if one were to step away, you would end up with your seven.

Step away.

And then the fourth uh task force, again, this is within the seven person total. So you see the list of lived experience, technical experience, cultural variety um and background. and then the two planning commission members that had um expressed interest. So in summary, this is who would serve on each of the task forces. You'll see again it's the third one where we have two planning commission members. If one was willing to step away, we would be within our seven total that's allowed. The process uh for you tonight is to decide if you're comfortable with um either the recommendation provided for you or if you want to take a different action on each of the task forces list of members. If you feel very strongly as a commission that you do want to have more than seven, that would require going back to the plan uh to the city council and asking for an update to your work plan. We can certainly do that, but it will delay uh proceeding forward with the work. Um just a reminder that if you were to go that route next Monday night, you do have your joint um planning commission city council study session where that could be be uh brought up as an issue. So I'm going to go back to the list of the summarized names for each task force. I'm happy to leave this up if you want to talk about it or uh take this off the screen, Mr. Chair, so you can proceed with your discussion.

Yeah, if you could just leave that up, Miss Spear, that would be great. Um, I think before we get started, um, I just th the motion on the floor. I'd like to make a motion that we, um, explore each task force individually as opposed to the collective. Um, starting with one, moving to two, then three, then four, and we can assess each task force on its own merit. All right. Um, is there a second for that? Second. All right. It's been motioned and seconded that we approach each task force individually. All those in favor, please signify by saying I. I.

I. All those opposed, please signify by saying no. The eyes have it. The motion is approved. We will move on to task force one. Uh, Miss Spear, can you spin back uh to the top list? Sure. I believe task force one is the recommendation uh is to not include uh Miss Amy Torres and the tap car representative which would put us at the um the seven maximum. Um is there

and the the business interest that is included on here with Bandido Solutions. This was the person put forward by the Lakewood Chamber of Commerce. Mhm. Uh, understood. Um, does anybody have a motion other than the recommendation from staff with regard to task force one? Um, so we can open up some discussion here. I do have a comment. Go ahead.

And I think it may be the horse has already left the barn in far as groups that should be aware this is happening. I know that they may not be, but they could be in the wings for consideration if somebody's not available or something like that. And the two groups that are heavily involved in this area are the AGC, the Associated General Contractors and the Southwest Washington Chapter of the American Institute of Architects. Certainly that if there are any openings that do happen, they should be at least made aware. Yeah. Well, we definitely extended already for two additional weeks. Uh, this we were supposed to take action on this in our last meeting. That's right. I'm a little bit late with this, but

I think noted um I hadn't even thought about that until after I saw the right the list of everybody and who was being looked at and um there are local people in both those arenas that are in Lakewood. I know that certainly. And Mr. Mr. Chair, if I could, the associated general contractors were reached out to last fall and they did not respond. Um, okay. Um, Commissioner Estrada,

what would be of more value to us or to business this particular task force? The recommendation was to remove one of that car and keep that in our best have more business involvement in this particular

Yep. I think that's what this whole discussion is about, right? I I I do think that uh Miss Torres, it lines out here that she has a community planning degree. I think that would be a valuable asset for this particular uh task force. Um I agree with you as well though. Um two at large community members um and two at large uh business members, you know, there there seems to be some room for for maneuvering and movement in there. Um, do you have a um recommendation, Commissioner Estrada?

I guess I have to go back and ask why did uh why did we feel that Amy Forest uh would be better served in another verse here where she does she does have that this uh type of of experience that we to admit it. I don't have Well, I believe she was Mr. Spear, correct me if I'm wrong here. I believe she was self-nominated to multiple task forces and she currently uh is employed or or works for with the Pugisound Asthma Coalition. Is that correct accurate? Yeah.

Yes. And so the way it stands now, she would be one of the members of the climate resiliency and uh greenhouse gas reduction sub element task force, which is the one that actually meets um the most often of all of them. And then um yeah, she had actually volunteered for one, two, and three. But the numbers of people that had applied for one and three is why uh at this point she's recommended for only being in task force two. That's where she best fits based on her experience. I'm sorry, I can't hear you, Mr. Estrada. Your mic's off.

Sorry. And and that's where you all feel she best fits versus doing plans. Is that correct?

Um I would agree. Yes. And also, um I guess I should have made the point these have so much overlap between the um various topics. I mean, we we've tried to break it out as separate efforts, but there's going to be a lot of overlap and we may well end up with um at least one meeting where multiple task forces are talking to each other. Um but for for her expertise having her as part of the element um she's going to be able to give some great information regarding um greenhouse gas and air quality uh greenhouse gas emissions and air quality uh in particular. Yeah. So one, two, three, four.

Going back to your question, which would we prefer, community member or a business interest? In this case, we're saying the recommendation is that we have a community member, two members versus one business. I don't know with plans. I don't know. From a from a planning perspective, I I think the business businessminded folk would be more suited. Um I think certainly we want community member input. Yes.

And I believe also there are uh openings in other task forces. I I think I would be supportive of of of Miss Torres coming off of task force one and one of the two community members being removed from this task force and administratively uh moved to one of the other task forces and them given the opportunity to serve in a different capacity where we have room under the seven member threshold. So let me just double check one thing if you don't mind me scrolling here. One second. Wish we had this. Well, this is the summary where they're all in on one screen.

Um, and it's all in alphabetical order. So, that's the reason for the order in which they're listed. So, uh, this is with the recommendation. So, what you see on task force one is you have, um, the Bandido remodeling, but not Tapcar, and you don't have Amy Torres. And then for task force three again Amy Torres and then also uh Derek Faustst who's with the Clover Park Technical College were recommended for removal because uh Dr. Faust is actually still on two and then uh Amy Torres was on one. So we can be by all means discuss it, see how you'd Oh, I'm sorry. There she is right there. Um she's on the second one as well. Um, so if you guys want to continue to talk about moving names, more than happy to do it. This was just the original thought process to try to make sure those who expressed interest were on at least one task force, but if there were too many uh for any particular one, we were removing uh people who had uh membership on another one already. Miss Spear, the Tap Car representative um that we were showing as listed for task force number one, is is are those one of those two folks um represented somewhere else in these other lists? Sorry, it's hard.

Uh the TAP car volunteers are on task force one right here and then they are also on, excuse me, the urban forest management plan. And so if they were to be removed from task force one, they would still be on the urban forest task force three. Yeah, I I think certainly priority u for those folks um experience would be number uh task force number three as well. Okay. So we're good with as presented for task force one then. Yes. Anybody have an opposing viewpoint here? Not. No. Okay.

All right. Motion to approve uh task force one with recommendations from staff and as presented. Motion. Motion. Been motioned by Commissioner Estrada, seconded by Commissioner Hair to approve task force one as presented with changes from staff. All in favor, please signify by saying I. I. I. All oppose, please signify by saying no. All right, task force one is approved as presented. Task force two is under the limit. Is that correct, Miss Spear?

Yeah, these were all the people who self- selected and also just happily um give a nice broad uh range of expertise and interest and perspective. And so this has the correct number of people um and so if you're comfortable with this then it can be uh again a motion to approve as presented. Was there no business representative that uh was interested in representing in task force number two, Miss Spear? No, they did not.

Does any commissioner have any discussion on task force number two? If not, entertain a motion to approve as presented. Motion a motion to approve task force two as presented by staff. Is there a second? Second. Any discussion? No. All right. All those in favor of of approving task force two as presented by staff, please signify by saying I. I. All those opposed, please signify by saying no. Motion is approved. Task force two uh as presented by staff. We move on to number three.

Uh this was the task force that had the highest num uh amount of interest. And in addition, we had two planning commission members um express interest, but as you saw from the council direction at this point, one person would need to step away because the way the motion was directed, only one planning commissioner is on officially. Not to say all of you couldn't come to a task force. You just wouldn't be the the person who's the official representative. So, in any case, either uh Mr. chair or uh Commissioner Flores would be stepping off, but even then you would still need to remove two others in order to keep it at seven total. And so the recommendation is to remove Dr. Derek Faust, who again is on two other task forces, and then again Amy Torres because she is on another task force already.

I can step out. No problem.

Okay. Um, Commissioner Flores has volunteered to step off the list, which would leave me as the planning commission representative for this particular task force. Um, Miss Spear, just to clarify, I in my mind, um, the urban forest management plan is the place where I just saw Dr. FA being very um, influential and and valuable. But I want to be clear if if there is there's opportunity for cross talk. So if he's not sitting on this particular task force, that does not preclude him for participating in group discussion or even providing insight. Is that correct?

That is absolutely correct. And I would assume that we will be inviting him as a guest speaker to at least one of the meetings in order to be able to provide uh information to the official task members task force members. Okay. Okay. And then Miss Torres again. One, two, three, four, nine, minus one. So, we have to uh remove two individuals in addition to our planning commission representative. Um,

correct. Is there any commissioner who would recommend removal of an individual other than Dr. Fast or Miss Torres from this task force? Well, there are two people from the urban and community forestry specialist. One of those could be removed. Um, if you would like to pursue that thought, Mr. Chair Melissa Buckingham is on a second one and so if you wanted to leave Miss Tortoise on this one and remove uh Miss Buckingham, we would still have her on a different task force.

Okay. Thank you, Commissioner Merritt.

Well, I don't know these some of these folks personally, but Amy Torres is on already. She's on three of the things and and I think the um the strength of the even the single line resume is pretty substantial from a lot of these folks on on the task force three with forestry specialists and Gary Oaks specialist urban foresters environmental technology that's pretty significant in that. So, I would say in all due respect that Amy Torres would be a good candidate to set and she's on two right now. That's pretty good. And they can always cross their information to the other the other task force if they have something compelling, but at least they've got a role. We're not eliminating her. She's already she'll be on two regardless.

You're proposing that we remove Dr. FA and Miss Torres from Task Force 3 in addition to Commissioner Flores. Well, I don't know about FA. You said, well, if you he'll be invited. M Spear says he'll be invited as a speaker to this task force and he will also be present in joint meetings with other task force. I think you're already down to seven, aren't you? We have to remove two members in addition to our planning commission representative. So then we're below seven. That will put us at seven. Yeah, there's nine there. She's there's 10 10 listed. We removed Commissioner Flores and we have to remove two more

further representatives. I have I'm looking at the printed list. Ah, yeah. Got to look at the the one on the screen has updated names. I have a question. Commissioner Crook, is it worth having the business interest on this committee for like all the other people on here are like urban specialists and then we have the one business interest and I know it's good to be well-rounded, but for this particular task force, is that necessary? I think it's very beneficial to have the business community represented on this task force when we start thinking about how this the outcomes of this program are going to affect the future development of the city of Lakewood.

Okay. um particularly inside the business community and the real estate um you know sphere. I I do think that there will be some valuable insight from um whichever of those two individuals is is able to attend. Um, we have lots of uh conservation and and natural resource folks here and it should be that way, but I don't think um we're doing justice to uh the people of the community by cutting out um you know the business representation. Absolutely. Commissioner Estrada.

And if I may recommend, so we could have either Sean or Tim, but I think there should be some cons. I believe it's one or the other. Is that right, Miss Spear? They just have two. Correct. For for both. Right. For both task force one, and I'm sorry, Jim Henderson's last name didn't make it on the other chart for some reason. Uh Sean Martin is the executive officer for the TAP car association and I believe Jim Henderson is uh either government affairs staff or on their government affairs committee and so the two of them are needing to determine between each other if they would each go to one or how they'll figure that out. But the those were the two names they submitted.

Yeah, I would would would expect some consistency with having just one or the other. Not Yeah, not tradeoff. I don't I I believe that is the intent and and I guess we'll say that out loud, Miss Spear. The planning commission's intent is that whoever begins in that role would would continue and not flip flip-flop back and forth. Got it. On the task force, I do have one more comment. Commissioner Merritt,

I look at the credentials and when you have two urban and community forest specialists, they probably communicate and know each other. Do we need two? And whether you had the Pierce County, the Pierce Conservation District, and the state DNR, are both those critical. In other words, if we still need one other, I'd rather have a diverse group, at least have that specialty covered with one of them. And I'd probably go for the local one before and then hopefully Melissa will talk to Zema to kind of confer if they need to. So there's another thought.

All right. So, I think well, let's just let's move forward with this. I'll I'll make a motion or at least discussion. We're already removing Commissioner Flores that um he's selfidentified for that. I believe we're all in agreement that Dr. FA will be removed off this list. Is that accurate? Sure. Yes. Okay. uh which leaves either Miss Torres or one of the conservation um either the Washington DNR or the Pierce Conservation District representative um or the other position um anybody feel strongly enough to make a comment? Commissioner Estrada

going back to uh to Miss Torres. So she is with the asthma coalition but and then although she does have a planning degree she's not using it. So I would maybe think that she's not current

and we would be looking with for experience and hopefully current experience. So from that perspective, I would say that I don't know whether she's the right fit for the uh for this particular task force. All right. Does any other commissioner have any other comments?

So, Commissioner Strod, are you uh prepared to make a motion? uh make a motion uh that and I wish I could see um Miss Spear, your uh your your recommendation.

Oh, um the recommendation was to um have one planning commissioner uh step away. That's been done and then Dr. Faustst and Amy Torres would be the ones to be removed. Um however, just one note, Melissa Buckingham is also on two at this point. So if you wanted to keep Miss Torres on this one and then have Melissa Buckingham on the other one she's already named for that's another option. U otherwise the recommendation was a commissioner Dr. Fast and Amy Torres to be removed from task force three. I would make that recommendation that um as recommended here Dr. FA Amy Torres and one planning commission.

It's been motioned by Commissioner Estrada that task force three be approved as presented um with recommendations from staff which would remove Commissioner Flores, Dr. Faustst, and Amy Torres from this task force. Is there a second? Second. There any discussion? I'd like to just reinforce commission credentials which I was happy to see is I've already had comments in the community about the significance of the urban forest. So if there's one volatile issue in all of this task force, this is it. They feel so you have an opposing No, I'm for it. We have it there.

All right. It's been motioned and seconded to approve task force 3 as presented with recommendations from staff. All those in favor, please signify by saying I. I. I. All those opposed, please signify by saying no. The eyes have it. The motion is approved. Task force three membership is approved as presented with recommendations of removal u by the staff. We move on to task force number four. And I believe we are under the seven limit. One, two, three. That is that is correct. Uh, and so as presented, these are the people who selfidentified expressing interest in serving on this task force.

Um, I do have a question, Mr. Spear. Should someone um, selfidentify and come out of the woodwork later on after we approve these rosters, would there be an opportunity for them to join task force 4 if we remove one of our planning commissioners? Yes, we could do that. It's it's your decision to do as long as we stay within the guard rails of what the city council adopted. Commissioner, Commissioner, I'd like to make the recommendation that uh that Mr. Flores replace me on task force 4. I oppose.

I I'm the old guy here and I'm not going and I'm not probably won't be here next year. And so whatever I gain from this experience won't be here to share. I won't here to share next year. Whereas a young man like him uh is going to be here for another five years. Mhm. That's my perspective. But if he does not want to, I can understand. Don't agree with but I can understand. Commissioner Flores, would you like to um replace Commissioner Estrada on task force number four? Yeah, Mr. Australia is going to be there for one year. I can replace you next year. End of the year.

Okay, perfect. At the end of the year. No, I'm only here till the end of the year. Next year. Once you leave, I'll I'll replace you there. They won't be here next year. Okay, then it's fine. So, you do not want to do it? I do not. Okay. Is there any other member who would prefer to uh replace Commissioner Estrada on task force number four? If not, I'm called. I will serve. Understood. Serve.

Right. Uh it doesn't appear that we have uh any takers at this time. That being said, there are a couple commissioners who are not present this evening who may uh of course Commissioner Wallace is already on there and um I'm not sure of Mr. Yeah, Commissioner Larson actually said he did not want to serve on any of the task forces at the beginning of this. Um yeah, so what I thought I heard though, and maybe I'm wrong, please tell me if I'm wrong. Um, there was a potential to put Miss Torres on this one instead of the other two that she'd been removed from.

I think that would be a phenomenal uh recommendation, Miss Spear. Um, okay. Would allow Commissioner Estrada to um come off the list and allow um Oh, her name is escaping me. Yeah, Miss Torres. for to to join in task force 4 to give us a fully rounded uh representation on task force 4.

Okay. So, um, I'll make a motion to remove Commissioner Estrada from task force number four and to be replaced with Miss Flores, uh, at her, um, to request to have her come on in hisstead. And otherwise, um, we would have an opening for some other community member if they chose to join later on, uh, to replace Commissioner Estrada. Just to note that uh Miss Torres had not volunteered for this particular one.

So we're going to offer it to her. Um it's it's not a must. Um is there a second? Anybody? Can you There we go. It's a motion by Commissioner Hair and seconded by Commissioner Crook that Commissioner Estrada be removed from task force number four and replaced with the option to be extended to um why can't I remember her name? Amy Torres. Amy Torres.

Um to round out the membership for task force number four. Um is there any discussion? Commissioner Estrada modify that to say if she is not in a position to accept that Commissioner Estrada will stay on.

Motion modified to to say that if Miss Flores does not accept the appointment to task force 4, Commissioner Estrada will remain in place. Is there any further discussion? All those in favor of approving task force number four as presented with the understanding that there will be uh an extension to Miss Flores as you were Miss Torres to replace Commissioner Estrada. If she does not accept he will remain in place. All those in favor please signify by saying I. I. All those opposed please signify by saying no. Motion is approved and task force number four is approved.

All right. So, thank you very much members. Um we will get going now with with the process of actually starting to convene these task forces. So, you can watch for uh in the near future those invitations to start to go out. I'll reach out to Amy Torres tomorrow to see if she's willing to join task force number four and I will let you know the outcome of of her decision. Uh other than that again next Monday night is your uh joint study session with the city council and uh so all of you are welcome to attend. They love to have everybody there otherwise uh Mr. Chair if you're can be there and speak with them at the very least otherwise we would need to have another person uh fill that function.

I will be present but I would encourage all of the um all the commissioners to be present. It is a it is a fun meeting to go to and and experience and and engage with the council. So, I would encourage each of you to if you have the ability, please be present. I would also note that that meeting starts at 700 p.m. Not our normal 6:30 start time. So, a little different. Yes. Thank you. And then, um following that, we will have our usual meeting on the 20th of this month. So, um hope to see you here that day as well. Um, I don't know if Council Member Talbo is there or not. Um, if not, that's all I have for you, Mr. Chair.

I do not see Council Member Talbo unless she's hiding in the hallway, and it doesn't look like it. Okay, that being said, we thank all of you who were participated in the council chambers this evening and those of you who may be watching on YouTube or the live stream tonight. The time is 7:52. This meeting of the Lakewood Planning Commission is adjourned. I'll just say thank you to everyone and I appreciate your willingness to