City Commission - Regular Meeting

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We are live. It is 610. We now have all of you here. We've addressed for anyone that's watching on live stream. We did have a question from a board member that needed to be addressed prior to beginning the meeting, but we are now all set and all ready to go. So if we could have the chair kick things off and go from there.

Good evening. Welcome to the August 12th, Historic Resources Preservation Commission meeting. May I have the roll call, please?

Elaine DeRusso? Laura Devlin? Here. Bob DiRenzo? Here. Ken Gross? Here. Michelle Huffman?

Here.

Ed DeVoe? Here. Ed LeBlanc? Here. Do you have a quorum? I pledge allegiance.

by the United States of America, which stands one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Any additions, deletions, or reordering of minutes?

Nothing from staff. Any of the board members want to move an item? But otherwise, have we gotten to minutes yet?

We don't have approval of the agenda.

Yeah, so let's approve the agenda and then we can make a comment on the minutes.

On the agenda. Approval of the agenda? Do we need a vote? You only need a vote if you're moving or changing things. Okay. We'll approve the agenda. Approval of the minutes? Mr. Gross, you have a question?

Yes, I just want to thank Sherry. I believe writes a minute. I had no idea what promodulated was. but I have to look it up and it is a great word that I'm gonna have to use from now on. And I believe in it so much that I will reinstate that I will promulgate that the regulations are promulgated by professionals who spend years studying the architecture of the site.

Thank you. Thank you for the vocab word, Sherry.

That was great. Approval of the minutes from July 8th. I may have a motion. I move to approve the minutes. I promulgate second. All those in favor? Aye. Opposed? So we're going to send it up.

This is embarrassing.

Abstainable.

Do you swear and affirm the testimony you give will be the truth? The whole truth and nothing but the truth. So say yes. Yes. Thank you.

I think there's somebody who's going to come around the second door.

We might need to swear them in. If we can hold for one moment, we'll be out. Sorry, it was kind of, are you planning on getting tested? I would like to be able to speak, yes. Okay. Just ready to write down the story. You swear an apparently testimony to get the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. So say yes.

Thank you. Any withdrawals or postponements? Nope. Any more disclosures? Seems that there's no unfinished business. Is that correct? We shall go on to new business. HRPB project number 26-001-00188. Consideration of certificate of appropriateness for ad valorem pre-construction tax exemption associated with the construction of a new plus or minus 1,227 square foot addition to the existing single family residence at 330 South Palmway. Subject property is located in a multifamily and two-family residential MF20 zoning district and has a future land use designation of medium density residential MDR. Property is contributing resource in the South Palm Park Historic District. PCN number 38-43-44-21-15-103-0010. Seth?

Okay, good evening, everyone. Ann Hamilton presenting this case for 330 South Palmway. They are requesting an addition to this structure and an associated ad valorem tax exemption. Now, usually you guys don't see additions, but you do when they're associated with a tax exemption application. So just as a quick explanation as to why this is here, that is why we are here. So here's the current lot conditions. You can see there is currently a one-story residence at the site. It's located on the corner of 4th Avenue South and South Palmway. And it is a, I have to say, very charming, streamlined, modern-style house. Here are some pictures of the existing structure, the existing carport. And it actually appears on two pages of the design guidelines from Lake Worth Beach as an example of a streamlined, modern architecture and a very good example of a front door. So... If you need any further proof of what architectural style it is, check your design guidelines. We actually do have the original plans for this structure. It was built for Mr. and Mrs. Urban R. Childs by G. Sherman Childs. I believe that was... a parent building a house for his son. N.G. Sherman Childs is an architect that did do a fair amount of work in Lake Worth Beach and was fairly prominent in the area. And this is a really great example of some of his work. So here are the original plans that you can see. We actually have quite a bit, pretty much entirely, of this residence that's been retained over time. You can tell it has kept its form. It's kept Its door, its porch, eyebrow features, everything that you'd want to see is still there. It did receive an addition of a screened porch in 1968, and then a carport that is detached was built in 1972. So the applicant, and this is actually an updated site plan from what you guys received in your packet. They've actually responded to some of the staff's conditions. They've been very agreeable during this process and have really worked well with us to get things updated both now and on several previous design iterations. I'll show you just to see how good of a job they've really done working with us. So they have updated their plans to address some of the site plan related comments. You can see here that there is a one-story addition of about 800 square feet that ties in at the back and then a flat roof carport of about 264 square feet towards the rear of that. So here's the existing front view. This isn't changing at all in their plans. There was a drawing difference. So you can see some of the windows here are actually drawn as two over two horizontal single hung windows. Those are not actually proposed to be replaced. The windows that are there were replaced in I think 2011. Or, yeah, 2011. So they're fairly recent windows. They don't need to be updated. It's just the way that it was drawn when the elevations were prepared. It looks like they're being changed out, but they're not. So that addresses one of the conditions of approval that you would have seen in your staff report. So here's the proposed side elevation. You can see exactly where that addition is starting, right at about the midway point of this elevation. They've really done a great job of matching the height of the existing structure, not making the addition overwhelming, still matching that horizontal character and bringing in some new streamlined modern style features like the glass block walls. the horizontal eyebrow features, the horizontal racing stripes, to make this obviously a modern addition but still complementing the historic structure. This is the left or north elevation and the rear elevation. And the proposed roof plan. And just to show you the existing demolition floor plan, you can see very little is actually changing as far as the overall footprint of the house. All we're really doing is knocking out the back of a closet and a window and adding on an addition through there, which is, from a historic perspective, about the most ideal situation you could ever ask for. If you're looking for something that, you know, essentially preserves the character of an existing building and can be removed in the future, this is what you want. No complaints there. Just for context, the original request was to put a second story over the existing one-story building. The applicant met with us. We discussed it with them. They had another two-story addition to the rear, and then they did finally come back with the current iteration, which, again, I think is very appropriate, very in keeping with the streamlined modern style that the information is shown here. And this is the analysis but uh the short and sweet answer of it is it's a great addition and therefore uh as far as the ad valorem tax exemption as we've gone through um this is a exemption that carries for a period of 10 years with the property it can be transferred between owners and it exempts the homeowner from the increased improvement value associated with the new addition on their property taxes for a period of 10 years. And it is a two-part application. You guys recently saw a post-construction application. This is the pre-construction portion where you have to approve the plans before construction commences so that we can ensure that the proposed additions are appropriate. And then post-construction, make sure that they were actually carried out in an appropriate manner. So there's only three different criteria for an ad valorem tax exemption, whether it's a contributing property. This is a contributing property in the South Palm Park Historic District. Whether the proposed improvements meet the Secretary of the Interior standards for renovation. This especially meets standards 9 and 10 because it's dealing with a new addition. We are keeping the historic fabric of the building. We are differentiating it from the historic building, but also showing it as a new addition in form and keeping with the existing structure. And finally, the third criteria is that it's not intended to be used for nonprofit or government purposes, which this is not. So the applicant has addressed some of the conditions for zoning, like I mentioned. There's a couple more clarifications needed as far as the condition. They have a rear setback of 12 foot 9 and a side setback of 4 foot 5. They are permitted a 2 foot overhang into this, but the columns for the carport do need to meet that setback, so we just need to verify that those columns will be outside of the required setback, and we are still missing one required parking space on this site plan. So we do have the one in the front that's been added, but we'll need one more. But overall, since you received your staff report, they did update these plans we received them yesterday and they are uh in keeping with all the recommendations that we made um the the applicant has been very agreeable to them so uh we are recommending approval of the proposed ad balorm tax exemption for the addition uh and if you do move to approve their request uh the below conditions of approval so four and five have been addressed in the plans that you were shown um and then we have the rest of the conditions which were in your staff report and here is your motions and if you have any questions i'm available and the applicant is here as well uh if you have any questions for them or if they'd like to speak i love you

Anybody have any questions for staff before we hear from the applicant?

Sure. Yes. Did you say they need to still put one additional parking spot in the carport?

Yeah. So because this is a 50-foot wide lot, they are required two parking spaces. I think they can probably fit one in that carport. It just needs to be shown on the site plans.

They just have to show it.

Yep.

Questions. I got a few questions. Sure. Can we go back to the overall elevation where it shows the existing and the addition? There you go. So what are we looking at here? Like the round windows? I can't see it here.

Yeah, so if you're wondering where the addition starts, is that the question? Yeah. So the addition starts right here. So this portion here. And can you see my mouse? Yes, you can. Okay, good. This portion here is the existing structure. And I'd say this is about the dividing line. And then everything here beyond is the new construction. Same on this side. It's a little clearer to see. Right here is where the new construction starts. Everything where they have essentially this courtyard, they designed this around a courtyard plan concept. They do have a very large mango tree that they want to keep and they want to have a garden feel. Um, so this is intended to be, uh, you can see it better on the overhead, but in set and then this is where the addition starts.

Okay, um, now then my other question. I don't understand it. Dimensions here provided max building height. 7 feet, 11 inches.

So that's not the, the max building height that they're allowed is 30 feet. What they're showing here is seven feet, 11 inches there. And that's measured to the ceiling. So the parapet doesn't get measured into the overall height. And you can see the grade is actually one foot six below. So they are correctly measuring from their finished floor elevation. And that is what that measurement is taken from.

Finished floor to the ceiling?

Yes.

So you're also allowed a maximum wall height at side setback of a certain height.

amount, depending on what your side setback is. If you increase your side setback, you can have higher wall heights. Not really something we're concerned about here because it is a pretty short one-story building, but that is something that comes into play more when you've got a two-story building set right up against a setback than we have concerns about that.

Where's the 6'10"?

So they're measuring currently 6'10".

That's because the carport's got a slash. Yes.

Well, and the carport is also measured. It's not measured from first floor. So that may need to be corrected.

So what this would be, or what the intent here is that the 6'10 is from the first floor elevation to the ceiling and the carport.

Yes.

Okay. Just as long as I know.

That's very helpful.

That's probably not how we... That's all I have right now.

Okay. Any other questions for staff? Let's invite the applicant up for any statement they may have, and then questions from the board.

Can I swear you in first? I swear you in. I swear you in. I swear you in.

Ryan Smaller, 330 South Palm Way. Really just wanted to give a statement to thank you all. Thank you for helping us with this so far. We're happy to cooperate with any comments you all may have and really the purpose is to bring a family into here. We have three children and a fourth on the way, so happy to extend and any comments we welcome. So thank you. You need a couple more, Ben. Thank you.

Thank you. Any questions before you hand it out? Any questions for the applicant?

I'm just curious. It sounds like you really put your architect to work. Oh, my God. It sounds like the third house is in your shop.

Yeah. We love him a lot. We love him a lot.

Hi, everyone. Jean Smolar here. I'm so happy to be here tonight, and thank you all for your time. And... Yeah. So I, this has been my project and I'm so happy to be here to see it. I'm not the architect, but I worked with the architect from the beginning and with Anne and it's been a pleasure really to, to just work within the guidelines to preserve the original structure because we love the house. It's just beautifully designed and built and from the beginning of like the conceptual phase, I was like, okay, we'll take this down, we'll do this, we'll do that. And then over time, I'm just like, I don't wanna change anything about this house. Let's just build from here. And yeah, I think it's gonna have a really nice feel to it. If you can see from the pictures, we enjoy our outdoor space. So, you know, I think the issue that I see right now would be the carport and the parking. So we didn't want to have to have that additional parking in the front yard because we like our green space. You can see we have some garden beds. We have the courtyard design and that front, what is that, 4th Avenue? Or is it Palmway? That's actually Palmway, I think. Street facing portion of the yard has a lot of green space that I would like to keep. There is the alley on the east, east end of the lot, which has some space from the carport to have car parks and then also a second spot. So I think that would, we would try to do that. But again, I know we're here for the taxes exemption primarily. And I think we meet all of those conditions. So we ask for approval. And thank you, Patricia, if you have any other questions for us.

Right, right, right, right.

Yeah, I mean, our cats love to hang out there. So I like to pull up and see what they're doing at night. And again, so yeah, so that makes the most sense to me because we do use the street parking right there. Is that 4th Ave? Yeah, so on 4th Ave, we use street parking. We don't park too much on Palm Way. And then that's like the front entry where it is historical. Like you have that picture of the front lot with the, with the door and the curvature and the windows like to park there. I just, if I have to do that to meet conditions, we will. But, um, again, I'm like, let's use the airport and the alleyway. We're going to see there's a giant mango tree in the courtyard.

So there's the mango tree. You can see the round thing up there. Yeah, you can see that.

Right above it. Big search.

Big search. So there really isn't too much space. If you can see the orange corner of the addition, and then there's two feet where the carport is. We were talking about moving the carport to meet that corner of the addition, but the mango tree is there.

You have to pick up mangoes off that ladder.

We already do, and I think that's like our favorite thing ever, is to have those mangoes.

Don't lose the mango tree.

Yeah, no, we're working with it. But if, you know, we can really see if we can get some alley parking carport, and then if we must put that front parking spot there.

Are we here just to talk about the ad valorem tax exemption, or can we address the issues that the applicant is bringing up?

So the parking is a zoning code requirement. You are technically reviewing the site plan as part of the addition. I will say I think we have a couple different routes we can go forward where we probably don't require them to put the parking in the front if they don't want to. And I would prefer not to as well. I think it looks better not to. Either they could stack two parallel spaces in the back near the alley, or we have to double check the code on this. So I don't want to speak out of turn, but because they're in a multifamily district, they may actually be able to use that on street parking. So I do think this is something we can work out during the parking process. Is it time to talk about it now or is it? You can talk about it though.

Well, first of all, did they address the 1% of the building coverage? Already from my copy to what's here?

Yes, because the carport's shrunk a fair amount.

And the carport is one parking spot. You just have to have your architect indicate that on the plans. I had actually asked Anne in an email if the board had the purview to waive the parking requirements, and she told me the applicant has to request what the timeframe for that is.

That would be next month. I'd have to come in with a, you know, a waiver request, but that that's probably worst case scenario. But again, I think we probably have routes forward that we wouldn't even do that.

I just think I agree that, you know, there's, I wouldn't want to park on that meter for a bomb either. And I don't know what the rest of the board is, but I wouldn't be inclined to go for it.

I agree.

For them, it's an easier way. Not everybody wants to park.

I'm thinking the on-street parking may be the best option.

I mean, it says two spaces required. Typically, are we saying on-street parking is available for multifamily but not single family? Yes.

So single family can't use it. What I have to check is if it's a single family use. But I think it's single family zoning district. So because they're in a multifamily zoning district.

Then they're all set.

Then they're all set. I don't have the code in front of me right now. That's the only reason I'm being cagey about this. I'm 99% sure this is going to work.

It sounds like it can be worked out then.

I think so. And if not, then maybe we do explore the waiver request. I just know that the applicant is on a short timeline to get their building permit as well.

That would be it. a non-substantial change to the site plan that wouldn't also require that the whole site plan would not have to come back? That wouldn't change this approval for the sake of circumstruction?

Yes, yeah.

Instead of addressing a condition of approval, I assume it wouldn't have to come back, is that correct?

Well, if they're requesting a waiver, it would have to come back because a waiver has to be heard by the board. But otherwise, no, I think that can be addressed otherwise at the staff level during the permitting process.

Any other questions for the applicants? Thank you very much.

I just want to put on the record, I should have stated earlier, my wife has all the spatial intelligence of the couple. Are we ready for motion? Are we ready for motion?

I vote to approve Mr. Resources Preservation Board project number 26-00100188 with staff recommended commission approval for a certificate of appropriateness for ad valorem pre-construction tax exemption associated with the construction of a new 1,227 square foot addition to the existing single family residence at 330 South Palm Way Based on the confidence of central evidence, the staffers work for so much of the city of Lake or each plan development regulations and historic preservation requirements. Thank you. Is there a second time? Very please.

All those in favor. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion passes. Congratulations. Thank you. I think this is a beautiful home.

Thank you so much. Good job. I would like to say something that Ed Norman says. This is exactly the type of project I believe should get the ad valorem extension because they started with the two-story and they have to scale their project back and make a lot of changes to the project to conform with the historic district departments.

And that is exactly what the program is intended for, yes.

So this is branding.

We're almost one year exactly. Staff met with the current property owners on August 13, 2025. So happy anniversary.

Tomorrow.

Tomorrow. Any planning issues? Scott? When do you want to do this?

I'll do it right after. We have to talk about cable.

We have a couple, so thank you for your patience. For the record, Scott Rodriguez with Finance and Preservation. Just an update, or I should say an announcement. You will be receiving an email by the end of the week related to this. The City, in coordination with our consultant, Chen Moore, is essentially doing an overhaul of the landscape code. There's a lot of different things that are being addressed. There's also a survey that is being conducted and what is posted on the City's website for all residents and business owners in the City. Like I said, we'll, we'll send in more information on where you can find that survey via link, but please pass the word on. We'd like to get the word out and we're just making the announcements all advisory boards and landscape for tomorrow. Same announcement for them as well. But just FYI, if you have any questions, please reach out to me.

Is there a deadline for the survey?

The deadline is going to potentially going to be next Friday, but we're going to extend that another few weeks. So there'll be time.

And how will the residents acquire the survey?

Right now it's via the web page. So if we get the word out, that's where the consultant has posted the survey itself. And we're just making announcements at the advisory boards and hopefully with the city manager's office coming soon. Does Facebook City be put on there perhaps? I believe it's on our social media web pages, so I'll have to confirm with our PIO, our public information officer, but I believe that's there as well. Sorry. So, again, if you have any questions, please reach out to me. I'd be happy to assist.

And I'm sorry, what's the survey? That's good. That's good. The survey, what the current land savings is.

It's a, it's a, it's a survey asking questions. Yes, it's multiple questions. And it's again, the city is working on an overhaul for the landscape code. So, again, if you have any questions, please reach out to me. Thank you.

Right right right surveying the plan. Yes.

And as a couple other announcements.

So hopefully at our next meeting, you will be meeting our new preservation planner. Her name is Kayla and she'll be joining us from Idaho. She will be starting with us on Monday and she seems great and we're really excited to have her and we hope you all will Look forward to working with her as much as we do.

What's her qualification?

She's been working with the State Historic Preservation Office in Idaho to do architectural review. So she has a background in historic preservation, and we're hoping that that means she will be very eager to get started and hit the ground running.

Is Lauren still with us?

She has the night off.

Okay, she's with us. This is an additional plan to make up for... Yen's position. um so and she's a big principal planner like the woman was coming in her name is kayla kayla will she be preservation preservation planner presentation yes so the the position yen was in before right okay any other yes issues um we have a lovely note um that we wanted to share with all of you um that was sent to us by christine barretta um we thought

You guys would appreciate it because it's about the historic districts in Lake Worth. So I just wanted to read it into the record if you guys don't mind.

Who is she?

She's a resident that was working with us on a shed permit recently. And she just wanted to express her appreciation for the city. So, to quote, Dear Miss Hamilton, before anything else, I wanted to thank you for the hard work you do. I know preserving the historic character of Lake Worth Beach is an important responsibility, and I truly appreciate your efforts to protect what makes our community so special. When I purchased 507 South L Street, it was the first home I ever owned. I immediately fell in love with Lake Worth Beach, the historic homes, mature trees, tropical landscaping, and unique character that makes it unlike anywhere else. Looking back, I realize those are the very things your office works to preserve. During COVID, my son Theo and I moved into the property as we had originally planned. One of our favorite things to do was to look at the city's Jewel of the Month homes and their beautiful gardens. He always hoped that one day our little triplex might be beautiful enough to be considered. I think from that experience, he did develop an appreciation for landscaping. Finding the Jewel of the Month was fun for an eight-year-old and it inspired us to take pride in our house. When I purchased it, I never viewed the property as simply a rental investment. At first, it always felt like both a home and a responsibility. We invested time, money, and effort into improving it because we genuinely cared about it. It was discouraging when many improvements didn't last because of damage and the realities of a rental property, but that never changed our commitment to the property. Like many first-time homeowners, I learned a great deal along the way. Owning this property taught me that being the steward of a historic property is both a privilege and a responsibility. My hope has always been to leave the property in better condition than when I purchased it. Thank you for taking the time to read this personal note. I simply wanted you to know a little about the person behind the application. We wanted to share that with you guys because the work that you guys do is really important to preserve the character of this city. And that's why we're all here. And it's a nice reminder to get a note like that. So thank you all.

Really lovely. Thank you. Thank you.

What was that? Did you email me a copy of that?

Yeah, absolutely.

I'm the vice president of the downtown Jewel neighborhood. We have not picked a Jewel of the month for a month now. Okay.

We're golden aqua fairy. Any other planning issues?

Oh, and we are looking at the third month in September for the historic workshop that we've been discussing having. Third week in September. The third Wednesday in September. Not the third month in September. That's not a thing. Okay. So keep your calendars open if you can, please, and also start brainstorming. Feel free to send us a list of topics for conversation. The sooner the better so we can prepare, create a PowerPoint, all those good things. Training on what? Training and discussion on whatever questions you guys have about historic preservation, guidelines, et cetera, et cetera. Justice. Just historic, yes. This is to complement the joint workshops we've been doing where we've been discussing more planning issues, but this will be historic-specific, only you guys. So this is your chance. We are looking forward to what you guys want to discuss.

A paper I gave the attorney.

Yes. Standing sin metal roots.

Yes.

No, no, no.

I was talking about bringing in drainage, to which I replied, no. Those are zoning issues. We've addressed that in the last workshop. Just want to get a rise of everybody. I will want to talk about this whole new contemporary, whatever it is, catch-all thing that we're now using for new construction. I think that's number one on the agenda for me.

Okay, and that's something important to get your direction on. So if you have, you know, as much information and details you can provide to us in writing so that we can prepare, yes, I think that's an important thing to discuss. Noted on the roofs. That is on the list.

Hold it. I like to give them the information I share with you so they can go online and see for themselves about the standard scene metal roof. Yeah. I gave them a piece of documentation. Okay. You should make yourself aware of. Okay. Stephanie, two, five, and six. Can I share that with them? I got it right here so they don't have to look it up. Two, five, and six, one.

Can we talk about it next month when we're going to talk about it?

I would love to look it up. Okay.

Well, and I think that maybe this is something that I would like to include, because I think we can also do some general training. I think the Secretary of the Interior standards are something that I'd like to go over in detail and provide visual examples for and things like that, because I think that would be valuable, because ultimately that is, although we base our decisions on the design guidelines, that's what we get our design guidelines from, is the Secretary of the Interior standards.

So maybe my discussion, are you not excited about that?

You have a handout?

Oh, yes.

Holy cow.

You have enough to share with the class, don't you? It has to be. And I can email you guys the official secretary of the interiors.

There's a whole book. I believe you can get a PDF of it online. I have a physical copy. I don't know where you get those anymore, but I'll send you guys a PDF of it. I'm not going to find you guys physical copies. I don't have the printing budget for that, but I will send you guys a PDF of it.

I know, but I just want to say that the thing that you handed out, I'm very happy to see research, is Google AI. I think this is meant to stimulate the conversation, not anything we should take verbatim. Correct. Yes, and I thank you for that.

And yeah, so do you think that that's a good point to remember? I will bring the Secretary of Interior's standards and we can discuss those.

But if we're going to discuss this, we should probably have a little bit of an overview of all the roofing materials and where they're from.

Sure, yeah.

Do you want me to bring this in?

Actually, yes, please do. I used to have a clay barrel tile when I was in West Palm Beach that I had to leave behind, and having samples like that is actually nice to see in person. So if you've got any sort of material that we see often, I'd love to...

Okay, bring whatever you have.

That sounds fun. Will there be sandwiches?

Yes.

We will bring some sort of food for you.

We have not determined that. This is early in the planning stage, but we will not let you go hungry. And with that, no more planning issues. Thank you. Any public comments?

Hello?

And so I agree that we are looking forward to that workshop.

And we probably will also have a pretty heavy agenda in September.

Something I wanted to discuss in the workshop, I was speaking with Dan earlier about the maybe us pushing the commission to approve the whatever year

the, um, historic district surveys that have never been adopted. I think that's another valuable thing. We can kind of go over what the process was for that, what some of the recommendations are and, um, what that means for us. Yes. That's something we can discuss as well.

Um, so yes, please.

All of you send whatever you have in writing. Um, just so we have a list that we can work off of.

Do we know when the new survey is going to happen?

We do not currently have any plans in the works to do one. That, to be frank, is something that requires a good amount of money and staff time and resources.

I think you're going to have to do the one that was never approved the first time or the last time.

So I think that would be something valuable to discuss as part of looking at adopting that survey if either the HRPB's desire is to pass along to the commission that we'd like them to explore adopting it and or explore doing another survey because that was started in 2015 through 2020. We're now five, ten years out of date on that.

It would be less of a chore to do something

I think that would be a valuable discussion to have.

If you could just look at what was non-contributing and wants to be contributing, right? Versus everything that's contributing, you'll need to look at that again, ostensibly, right? Because something that's contributing typically doesn't become non-contributing unless they do some major structural changes. Is that correct?

Yes. There are probably limited examples, I think, in that survey where structures are contributing and recommended to be non-contributing, but that is a very small percentage of them.

But also by now, more structures would be contributing.

Now, the good thing I will say about that survey, and we can get more into this, I think, during the workshop, the good news about that is we are, by virtue of when that survey was done, we had essentially hit 1970. And that, in the history of Lake Worth, is when largely most of our historic districts were built out. So we're not, luckily, after we hit probably 1970, going to see as much of a need for big updates because there wasn't such a you know essentially preponderance of building it wasn't like whole neighborhoods were being built out or lots of infill was being done anything that's going to age in after 1970 also architecturally maybe doesn't necessarily qualify as much as a strong architectural style that's another thing that comes into it but you know if we can capture things from before 1970 and that as a cut off Then I think we have pretty healthy historic districts.

And as mentioned previously by Ann, forgive me, by a 10-year-old survey, while I wouldn't like to work off a 10-year-old survey, it's not really out of date when we're looking at historical structures that are 50 years old anyway.

Well, if you think, you know, right now, because that survey hasn't been adopted, you're really working off of 25-year-old surveys.

But we do use the 2015 survey in a lot of them.

And it should factor into your decision-making, but to keep in mind, you know, we are working off something that's even a lot more out of date. So good topic for discussion for next workshop.

So we'll have a meeting and a training in September.

Yes.

Any department reports? Any board member comments? Michelle?

Promogulated.

No, I got it. Promogulated.

Actually, I think it's promulgated.

Well, you know what? It was written.

That's the word I know. I didn't want to really point that out.

Well, you didn't in the night.

No, I still didn't know until she changed it.

My parents paid for good education. I just bring curiosity. I love me a little bit better. The accent was not on the right syllable.

Any comments? No.

Thank you.