City Commission - Regular Meeting

Vice Mayor, it is 9:04 and we are live. Thank you. Welcome everyone to the Lakew Worth Beach City Commission pre-aggenda meeting of May 15, 2026. Can we have the roll call? Uh, Mayor Betty Rash is not here yet. Uh, Vice Mayor Mimi May present. Commissioner Sarah Maliga is here. Commissioner Christopher McVoy is here without video driving to a meeting. Uh, Commissioner Anthony Segridge present. Can you guys see me? No, I can hear you.

We can hear you. We can't see you if you have your camera. I keep getting something on my city phone that says I have to be on a an on a laptop to connect to the audio. It says being promoted to a panelist. Please rejoin from a desktop or a native client to be a panelist. I don't know what that means in English, but I'm here. Yeah. I mean, you wouldn't be able to talk if you weren't a panelist.

Well, that's weird because it's not letting me show my camera or do anything. Anyways, I'm here. Okay. All right. Um, thank you. And so be and we have four of us here and we have Chris who's going to log off at 9:25 which will still give us three and we will still have a quorum and hopefully the mayor will join us. Um, but before then I would like to just start with staff and I would like to know if any staff has anything first on the agenda that they would like to um talk about before we meet on it on Tuesday. Okay, I'm going to take that as a no. Okay. And now, is there anything from staff that you want to talk about that is not on the agenda that you want all of us here to be able to talk about? Uh Melissa, your hand is up. Uh yes, I sent an email yesterday regarding the the potential proclamations.

So uh for June 2nd meeting, so I would need consensus for um those to go on the agenda. Okay. Uh can you I did respond and I consented. Did can you repeat what the I think there were two. Can you repeat what they were, please, Melissa? Uh yeah, there were six actually. Um, June. Hold on. Okay. Yes. For Junth from McBoy. Okay. So, hold on, guys. Before we go into each one, let her read all six and then we'll go from there because I'd like to hear all of them. So, go ahead, please.

Uh, LGBTQIA plus Pride Month, National Gun Violence Awareness Day. That's weird. There's clear um National HIV testing day which was requested by Compass PTSD awareness month and race amity amity day.

Uh what's race amity? sort of like race equality. Um, I can open the proclamation. I don't remember us ever doing that. No. Was that We have done it a few times. Okay. I don't think we need to do that one since none of us knew what it was. Amity is probably the same word root as amigo. So, friendliness between races would be my off the-fly translation of that.

Okay. Um, so, uh, let's see. Um, does anybody have bes I'm not for the race amity day because I don't know that we'll have anybody there and but the other ones um do you know Melissa which ones do we have somebody coming for besides compass? Well, nobody requested them so I don't know if anybody is coming. Okay. So I I would personally request that the PTSD be read on the record. Okay. So PTSD and then we have the um HIV one from Compass. We definitely want that. How do we feel about Junth? Is everybody okay with Junth? Yes. Yes.

Okay. Um Anthony, is Anthony there? Yeah, Anony's here. Anthony, are you okay with Junth? Yeah. How are these are affected by the the new law? Is that not in effect yet? No, it it doesn't go January one. Yeah, that's why I wrote on there that the LGBTQIA+ one. We probably This is probably right now the latest one. We could do We can do it. Well, then we definitely do it. Um what what was the other one? I got three and we killed one. So, what's gun violence? Oh, yeah. Gun violence. Absolutely. I'm in favor. Yep. All right. So, we'll do five out of the six. And I personally don't.

Anthony, what do you think? I can't. You guys, please raise your hands. I know that you're driving and that you can't see, but we can't all speak over each other. I can't raise my hand. I can't raise my hand either. Um, but I would be in favor of the racial amity one. Let me for what it's worth.

Thank you. I mean, I'm I'm not disin favor of emity, but I don't know that we need to do a proclamation for it. But, um, does anybody ag besides Mr. McVoy, does anybody want to add the racial amity one? Okay. So, hearing that, hearing that, we will not be proclaiming that, but of course, we will be celebrating it. Um, uh, Miss Mala, yes, ma'am. Did you want to add something? No, I was just asking because Anthony hadn't waited in on the gun one. I want to make sure we're all being heard. That's all. Yeah, but when everybody talks over each other, it's hard for me to ask each person.

I know. No, I hear you. I just don't have the little thing that says raise my hand, so I apologize. Got it. Okay. Um Anthony, are you okay with those five out of six? Yes. Okay. Um so Melissa, do we have any um presentations? Oh. Uh, yes, we will because we have

Yes. Um, I believe we have Let me get to the meeting, but, uh, Joan Oliv CRA update. Um, I was going to email Craig Frost about the NAPC presenting the best of Lakew Worth Beach award. Representative uh Emily Gregory and there might be um an MEI uh update. What's that? That's like the cities how they rate it's related to I think DEI but it's called MEI. Uh Lauren can Lauren Sllayton is on here. She can address that better than I.

Okay. Lauren, can you tell us what that is? Oh, sorry. I was muted. I apologize, guys. Can you hear me? Yeah.

Okay. Yeah, that's the municipal equality index. And that is an index where and that is a it is a group of people who actually like they pull the different municipalities. It is, you know, we we voluntarily submit our information to show how we rate giving support for the u for the um LGBT LGBT. I can't I don't know how many initials are in that acronym. The the the the gay and lesbian community basically. So it's just an update on what's going on with the laws there regarding it and also an update on um how we did on the index and how we can improve.

Okay. So this again would probably be the unfortunately last time we could do this. Could we um do that along with the proclamation or is the pro No, the proclamation is just HIV. Forget it. One has nothing. Yeah. No. Um, June is actually um I think it's like gay. Yeah, I can't remember. Pride. June is the official pride month even though it's not the month that we celebrate it, but nationally it is. We I'm sorry, Vice Mayor, but there will be a proclamation for LGBTQIA. You just approved that. Pride Month. It's different than the other was Palm Beach Pride Month, right? Yeah. I get confused, too. But

so this is na this is the national pride month. Yes. Also and also we will have Rand Hawk here. He is a he is a he's an attorney who we know who he is now. Okay. Yeah. So Rand's going to be doing the presentation. Okay. Um it's going to be long. So we have I can he Yeah. How

No, no, no. That's fine. We want I want to do that. I mean as as long as Chris um are you okay with those presentations? I am except for I do have some hesitation on an NAPC award presentation at a city function. The NAPC is not a city organization. It's a separate organization. Uh I if we are going to have the NAPC presenting their awards here, should we have Sierra Club presenting their awards at the city thing? Should we have uh you know any number of other organizations?

Well, the Sierra Okay, I hear you. The Sierra Club is an um county national. It is not specifically for Lakew Worth Beach. So I would say if there was something that was just specifically Lakew Worth Beach and they did an event that included the entire city of Lakew Worth Beach which is what this is from the great taste of Lakew Worth Beach that I do think it is appropriate to give the award at the um city commission meeting if we agree on it. So um I think I believe you got I thought you got consensus already. Hold on. That was the thinking that we had. We also have already consented to do that but I appreciate your comment. Um, Mr. Segri. Uh, no. I was just going to say that we already consented to it.

Right. And so, does anybody have any issues with any of the presentations? I do not. Okay. There was a request, and I'm just going to bring this up because I I don't necessarily want to add something to the agenda, but there was a request to um to uh congratulate and honor the um saludiatoran and the validictorian from the graduating class of 2026. Consent. um that would not take very long, but if we could do that, I'd rather do it sooner than later because who knows if they're going to already have gone to school before the July meeting. Yeah, I consent. I think that's a good idea. Thank you to whoever made the suggestion. Um Miss Maliga,

consent. Okay, then. Um Melissa, do you mind reaching out and to the high school and seeing if that would work? I'm happy to do that. That would be great. Thank you. Okay, so we're all set for the um agenda for or not the agenda, the proclamations and the presentations for June. And we've asked um Melissa, you have told us what you are interested in talking about. Thank you. So, does any other staff have anything that they want to talk to us about? Not on the agenda because you said no to that one, but anything else that you feel like we need to cover before we go into our individual questions. Madam Vice Mayor, yes, I just want to remind everybody we have a five o'clock attorney client session that day.

Yes. Okay, that's all. Just a reminder. I appreciate that, Glenn. It is on our calendar. Um, okay. So, seeing no one else with staff with their hands up, um, I'm sorry, Vice Mayor. Just wanted to let you know the mayor is here. Oh, then I will be passing the gavl. I don't see her on our list, that's all. Okay, she's rejoining as a panelist. Okay. All right. I see her there. So, Madame Mayor, hi. I apologize. Um, it's okay. So, we've we've gone Let me ask question. Hold on one sec. Let me tell you where we are in the meeting.

Okay. Okay. So, we have gone through all the proclamations for June. We approved all of them except one which was Rachel Amity uh month. Um and we added a presentation to um honor the validatoran and the saludiatoran if they are available. Thank you for doing that. Um I've asked staff if they have anything about the agenda. They don't. And I asked staff if they have anything other than another issue besides what's on the agenda and they don't. So I was just about to open it up to um commissioners to have questions about the agenda. I appreciate that very much. My um something's wrong with my computer. My whole Do I look normal? I mean, as normal as I could ever look. Do I like Are the colors correct when you see?

Yeah, you're fine. Because you're all blue and purple. It's Something happened to my laptop. That's one of my problems right now. Okay. So, and I appreciate you taking over so validly my absence. And um so um so I guess the question is, does anybody have something they want to talk about? So with the agenda or just in general? Is it with the agenda or in general? Um I see Mr. um secretary's hand is up. And just so you know, oh sorry, one more thing. Just so you know, um Christopher is getting off of the call at 9:25. He does not have a hand raise and uh Miss Malika does not have a hand raise either.

Thank you very much. Um so Mr. Sage, Mimi, your Mr. Miss M, your hands up. I know, but I was after Anthony. Okay. Um, Mr. Sage,

thank you, Madam Mayor. Um, I had uh just some kind of feedback and a question for our our city attorney on um the uh advisory board ordinance. It's not entirely related to the text of that. Um, and I apologize, I was ill yesterday, otherwise I would have brought it up um in my one-on-one. But um so I did um speak with the educational task force and um they were appreciative that the the grant had passed, but they had a lot of questions about the requirement that they be a true advisory board, right? Not surprising. So the basically the question for the city attorney and and I don't know if they can answer it now but it's just my first time to give feedback um is about conflicts of interest. So one member of the board um uh is is a teacher at one of the schools. Another is two actually are members of the um the SAC committee um for the for their individual schools and another has a child at at the school. And they were concerned that those relationships would present a conflict of interest if they were to be asked to vote on something like a grant that could benefit that particular school. Another member is also a vendor. um to to the school. Um I don't know if we need a a an answer now, but I would just ask that could we have the city attorney look into that? Um the other piece of that was if there if that does present a whole big conflict um and and would basically

result in us losing three out of the four current members right off the bat. um did we want to possibly consider that for the grant program like other procurement processes we just appoint a um uh I guess a grading um committee the decision committee versus having them do it but um so those were the the conflicts that got brought up as as a question from them so um I don't necessarily need an answer now but if we could have the city attorney basically give some clarity as to that um because if they our conflict, I think we would lose three out of the four U members currently,

which raises and and I'm going to bark in here because I still think this whole complicated rating, you get 25, you I think I really reject that. I really think that's a bad idea. I think if we have the money it would and it would eliminate any conflicts because you're getting x amount of dollars, give us a good proposal and you get x amount of dollars for that proposal. um which is a different question than you're raising, Anthony, but I I mean that's just an unintended consequence, I guess, of having this very complicated um thing for $10,000. So, um I have a I have just something about the original intent.

Yeah, let's talk about that, Miss. So originally when we first started the education task force um that was when we interviewed and I was an interviewee the I don't I don't know that it was written down but it was it was a policy that you could not be a teacher at a Lakeworth school not even just the one that you were representing at all because I could join because I was a teacher but not in at a Lakeworth Beach school. So that was an original qualification and I've brought this up before because our our liaison to the middle school is a teacher at the middle school. So I do think there is conflict of interest. I almost think there's conflict of interest with the parent too. Now however I do think that um the being a member of the sack the liaison are supposed to be members of the sack team sack um student advisory or school advisory council. So that's appropriate that they are members they they should be voting members of the sack committee. So that's the that's what I wanted to add um to that and I think if if they want to deal with money

then they Christopher can you mute if they want to deal with money then they need to be a sunshine committee. Those are my opinions on that one. I don't know how legal that is. I'm not a lawyer but that's how it was originally set up. And I'm wondering if that's you in a um a good question and you know is that part of was that written at that time you know I mean where is the when we did this five years ago is it written down and I see Miss Coin is like here that would be Miss Coin um Madame Mayor. Yeah. And I'm asking um nothing was written down.

Um and it was my understanding that the um not being able to serve if you were a teacher at the school in in the city was a school board policy, not a city policy. I'm 99% sure that it was the school board because we didn't really set any policies because if you can't be a a teacher, but you can be a parent, I I'm almost positive it's a schoolboard policy that you could not be a teacher in the school.

Okay. Well, and I I mean I was there and Sarah, you were there and Chris, you know, it was pretty much to when we formed the committee, which was admittedly a little loosely formed. Um, it was to improve relationships between the, you know, to find out what the different schools needed to improve the relationship to make the schools know that we're interested in what's going on with them and help the kids. Um, there was no, you know, there was no grants or anything at that point. So, um, so I guess it's a good question, Mr. Segridge and I we're going to send it back to um uh the attorney legal if Thank you, Mr. McCo. I appreciate that legal to um to make a determination quick. Elizabeth, we'll just shoot that back to you.

We'll take care of it. But if it's a schoolboard policy, then you know, then we need to follow that as well. We need to check up on that. Thank you. Okay. Okay. Thank you. Um if if I could jump in. I realize I'm jumping in. I have no way to raise my hand. Um but I'm about to walk into the other meeting and I had one very brief thing. Okay.

Um thank you madame mayor. Um, we had given consensus, I believe, at the last pre-aggenda or maybe two back pack, I'm not quite sure, that we would bring forward on a meeting coming up soon a discussion of the downtown master plan prepared by the Treasure Coast Regional Planning Council with with a lot of members of the community. Um, and I had noticed that uh we have a pretty light agenda this meeting. I I don't know what the agenda looks like for the second. Haven't had a chance to look at that, but um I would encourage us to act on that. I believe it was the unanimous consensus to bring that forward. Um have that discussion and I would say let's you know move on that sooner rather than later. possibly add it to the Tuesday meeting

and I think uh staff is working on bringing that back. Um well, here's the thing. This is to discuss a document that already exists, right? Um that captured community sentiment and just for us to discuss how we want to think about that. So there's not really any need for staff to do any Mr. Perry. All right, Mr. Perry has his hand raised. you might be addressing this ma

madam mayor uh the commissioners right you uh the commission did give us a um consensus to bring it back however if you recall at that meeting I did ask whether was there a time certain and there was no time certain didn't but Mr. uh community sustainability is working on putting that document together now Mr. uh uh Mr. waters will be out for the next two meetings. I think he's going to be away now. Did you want us to still try and put it on it or did you want us to put it on it? I guess maybe try at the June 2nd meeting where he'll be available. If you don't need staff there to discuss it then but I will prefer that uh community sustainability have a representative there to discuss it. But we're put putting that document together now to send to to the commission

and June 2nd's only two weeks away. I mean it's like the next meeting, right? Correct. And and as commissioner, I was, as a matter of fact, I was going to email you this morning, Commissioner McFoy, and let you know that, but but I did uh direct staff to send it out to the commission so you could have take a look at it in advance. So, it should be coming your way. Great. Thank you very much. So, we put on the June 2nd agenda. That That sounds good. Hopefully, that's not a real packed one. Um but yeah. Okay. Okay. I'm gonna have to sign off. Thank you for mayor for indulging that. I appreciate it. Do my best when I can. Thank you.

Okay. Thanks. Okay. Byebye. Thank you, Miss May. I think you're Mr. Perry, did you have something else you wanted to I always go to staff. No. Okay, Miss May, and then Mr. Segridge. I had raised my hand to address that issue, but we've already addressed it. Okay. I raised my hand, too. So, take your hand. So, nobody's got their hand up. Um want to talk about Oh, no. But Okay. So, your hand is up, Mr. Savage, and Miss May, your hand is also going to be up.

I I wanted to address that that particular issue. I understand he he dropped off, but um we have a lot of other things that we voted on and gave staff direction for to create ordinances. Um I do not think we should be basically cutting the line with this. Um I I would rather see the stuff that we've already voted on that will produce ordinances come first. So, I would not want it to be on the June 2nd. I'd rather see other stuff off our list. Okay. Well, you know, it's the downtown plan is is a major thing for the city and we have not looked at it for a while. So, um well, but I don't I don't think one person should unilarity decide what goes on the agenda. We all have to give consensus. So, I would not consent to put it on the June 2nd agenda.

Okay. Miss May, do you consent to put it on June 2nd agenda? Um well no because I have not seen it and I mean because this was created in I believe it was completed in 22. Is that correct? I think so. Something like that. Okay. So I have never seen this document. I'm assuming it's not small and I want to make sure that I have read through it before we talk about it. So no I'm not ready to do that on June 2nd. Okay. Miss Mlega can't raise her hand but she wants to address us. I just got a text. Sarah, can you speak?

Thank you. Yes, I know I have um I would rather see the document and see stuff first before we just put it on the agenda, but I had something else. So, I will wait my turn, ma'am. Thank you. Okay. So, Mr. Perry, can you then take a look at the next possible meeting after that? Yes, ma'am. Sure. Okay, then. And um you know, you you said you're getting us the the copies. It's been a while since we've looked at it. Thank you. Okay. Why does it go to the next possible meeting? We we just give consent to we didn't give consent to put it on June 2nd. There's a lot of stuff that we are waiting for ordinances coming back. I don't it seems like you're unilaterally just putting it on on dates. I'm not unilateral. I'm just How about putting it on the second meeting in June?

I I don't I I I will not consent to that. I I want us to get through the stuff that we've already voted on that we're waiting on ordinances. Well, we also need to know from, you know, and I think before we make those kinds of decisions, we don't know where where the staff is with bringing those to us. So, um I don't this wouldn't really interfere with them working on ordinances because it's something that's already been done. So, it wouldn't stop that from happening. I I I if the ordinances are ready to still come

Okay. Um Miss May, what about um what do you say? What say you? Um I would like to read it first. Okay. I mean it's not okay. So what are you what are you saying? How long do you think you'll take to if we get it this week? How long do you think you'll take to read it? Because we you know the other thing we still have to do all of us is get together and finish those internal auditor uh which I'm working through. Um so what how much time do you want folks? Right. Mimi I I can't I can't answer that. I I I don't know what how big

it's one of the Sorry. It's not It's not a to you diagrams and different things. But um why don't we get it to Mr. Perry if you would get it to to um us to look at and then you will reconider and Mr. Mr. um MCO is going to be unhappy about this. recon order and and then like at the next meeting give a date where we can have the meet where we can we're gonna have a meeting we're going to have a meeting on Tuesday we're going to have a meeting next Friday and we're going to have a meeting the following Tuesday so we can put it we can deci decide when to put it on the agenda at one of those meetings I just document that's all that's what I just said Sarah uh Miss Sarah are you okay with that

she's having trouble um Yes, ma'am. I am. I'm because I'm working from my city phone. Yes, ma'am. I'm okay with that. Okay. All right. So, the staff will get it to us and then in the next week or so, we'll tell them how much time we think we need to look at it. Okay. Thank you. And um did you have something else, Miss May? I do. Um but I think Miss Malaga said that she did. Oh, yeah. Miss Vallega.

Thank you. I just um wanted to say thank you um Madame Mayor and Commissioner May for your generous donation to the Stonewall Ball for Compass. Um I announced yesterday when I was with the the group um of your support. They're very thankful and grateful um especially at a time right now where you know we are facing all these DEI challenges that we are showing our support to our our community um and making sure that they know that we will always have their back and they wanted to make sure that that I gave my the condolences and said thank you very much. Um circling back to the audit, I did turn in my top five um to I believe it was Mr. Perry and to Miss Leaden. Um and it is a little ownorous. Um, it's not easy to get through, but yes, I agree. We need to get that done because there are some pressing issues that I would like to see some answers on.

I'm hoping to finish mine this weekend. I'm gonna work on it this weekend. How far are we along, Miss May and Mr. Seg, with that? Are you guys Have you guys turned in your stuff yet? I have not. No. Okay, Mr. Segridge. Um, I've I've gotten through it. I have I have my five. Um, I'm going back through them. I'll be sending that over today. Um, one of the challenges with the process that that I I think we can can do better, 90% of the resumeumés that are in there don't even meet the basic requirements. Well, we asked to see all of them, though. No, we didn't. No, we didn't. Well, we're the hirers. I mean, I think they just

the the the the function of HR is is to do at least the minimal kind of screening um or a recruiter. You know, we would be all be very upset if our recruiter just handed us 60 or 70 resumes for city manager just because we're doing the hiring.

Miss Leaden's hand is up. I'm not address. Yeah, I apologize because I I I know that some people, you know, I sent you everything, but I did send two piles. I sent a pile of the ones that I screened who I thought were possible and I sent a pile of all of them because I didn't want you to think for full disclosure that I was trying to, you know, hide anything. So, you know, I could absolutely go through them again, but I was just trying to be completely transparent and because I only got one package with all me, too. Only one pile.

Okay. Okay, I apologize because my my staff was directed to give you two piles. There's supposed to be a pile the ones that that I screened and there was that I thought were possibles and then there was a pile that I didn't think but I didn't wanted you to see them in case knew of anybody you saw that. So you want me to if you want me to rescreen them and resend them, I'm glad to do that. Yes, please. Please. Thank you. Yeah, that was that was just a misunderstanding on my part and I apologize.

Okay. Thank you, Miss Lahan. Good morning. So, uh, as a function of Sunshine Law, because this is a decision that you all get to make as a board, as a hiring practice, you are required to see all of the applications. Otherwise, your staff has become part of your decision-making process and their review is subject to sunshine. So, that's why you get all of the applications. Actually makes sense. Thank you. Always there's always a reason for stuff. Uh, Mr. Did you say I was just going to say don't don't resscreen them. Just send the the screen the ones that you have that you have. Don't don't do extra work. No, I don't mind. I I want you guys I just I want

Well, you've done it already though. But you've done it.

Yeah. And but I'm glad to like if they I I apologize if my staff didn't give you didn't follow my directions completely and do that. But I'm glad to rescreen them and re, you know, and just show you the ones that I that I thought were um that have potential. I for full disclosure a lot of them have are great auditors on a corporate level but they don't always that doesn't necessarily translate into understanding municipal accounting and municipal law. So um that that was one of the struggles like these guys are great but do they understand how government accounting works but I will like you guys give me direction tell me what you'd like to see and how you'd like to see it and I'll be glad to provide that for you. Well, I think what we're saying is just get, you know, the ones that have no, you know, the if you've done this. I mean, so there wasn't, you didn't make a list of like the ones that you selected out.

I did originally when I said the link there there was there was two parts. There was a file that said these are the ones that I thought had potential and these are the ones that I that these are the other ones. You sent that an email to us. Yeah, I sent that in a link uh several weeks ago, but I can resend that and re and take a look at it again. You know, I printed them off because I know some people like to see the also like to see paper, but I can absolutely double check the link, make sure that it's that I still agree with those decisions and reforward those to you. Okay. Yeah, I mean that that sounds efficient. Thank you. Okay. No, I'm glad I'm glad to help and assist however you want.

Yeah, that was some some misunderstanding some because I'm like really some of these people just weren't at all um qualified. Uh, thank you uh, attorney for pointing. We have to see all of them even if we don't think they're qualified. Mr. Perry had his hand up, but now it's down. I was going to address, but uh, the HR director gave you an overview, so fine. Miss May, um, yeah. No, can I bring up another thing? Are we done with that, Mr. Sage? Okay.

Yes. So, I was in my one-on-one, we were discussing the um the building at 1900, the moving of South M, the um building of the electric um utilities building and the um building of at public works and it seems like there's a lot of separate silo building going on and I don't believe that we have a overview view of our facilities and a master plan that makes sense going forward. I feel like there's been a lot of directors saying I need this and other directors I need this and I think that they do need all of those things. But I also don't believe that we should be silo planning. I really believe that we need to get together and we need to figure out the most not costeffective but um common sense. I mean, we could build one building and put leisure services, electric, and community sustainability in that building instead of building one here and one here and rent one here and do one here. So, I'm really um we haven't talked about this publicly, but I really think that we need to consider before we continue spending money. And I know that the um contractor put a halt on the 1900 building, which is actually maybe a blessing in disguise because it forces us to stop and look at are we being the most efficient and are we being the most responsible with um city funds because that's kind of our job is to be fiduciaries of that. So I would like to look at an overview before we move forward with any other building. Well, which I've been saying for years, we need a city hall, which would accomplish that. Getting everybody together. I've been saying that for a long time. Everybody, you know, one person's in one place. We were

scattered. Um, so, uh, Mr. Perry,

yes, Madam Mayor, one of the things we talked about at staff level and and I've had this discussion with a few of the commissioners, we do, and I know you don't want to hear this word, but we do need a facilities master plan. we need someone to come in and look at all of our facilities to determine how do we want to look at the next seven to 10 years or whatever the case might be. But I think that's something that we might want to consider. I know the commission, you know, is really wants to take a long hard look at, you know, consultants or whatever the case might be. But I think that's something that we definitely need and I from my understanding based on a discussion I had a couple months ago, I think there was one done probably back in the early 2000s, whatever the case might be, but I haven't seen it. But I was told that there one there's one that does exist. But I want to recommend that and if that's something that you would like us like for us to do, we can definitely discuss it or try to you know look at it during the um upcoming budget session where we can look at maybe you know allocating funds to do that or maybe try to get some some prices on what we think it would cost. But I definitely believe um as a city we do need a facilities master plan that identifies all the resources in the city all the facilities in the city and how do we want to look in the next five to 10 to 15 years. So hopefully that's something that the commission would like to take a look at.

Yeah. Now when you say so we're talking about hiring consultants to do that. Well we would have to have someone that that does this for you know a living. I'm not saying staff is not capable but that's something that I think a person from the outside that would take a look at it. Just something to think about. There's other one there's other people that do the same thing, but just something to take a look at, but Okay, Mr. Se,

thank you, Madam Mayor. Um, I agree with Commissioner May on on this. I I brought it up during several ones. We've got um employees of the city scattered throughout the city and we continue to do so and we we undertook a project at 1900. Um, I did miss my one-on-one this week, so um I'll I'll I won't play catch up on this phone call about what's going on at 1900, but I've been raising questions about that one for quite some time. Um, so I I do think we we need a plan. Um, I I do think that things need to be consolidated. I do think we need to look at things versus buy verse build. Um, we literally have millions of dollars going out the door um to these projects. Um, and I I think we need to look at this and and understand, are we being good stewards of our money or are we um peacemealing ourselves to death? Um, it seems like right now we're peacemealing ourselves to death. Um, and so I would like to to look at this. Um, always always skeptical when we jump right to, hey, we need a consultant to tell us what what we need. Um, I see Troy smiling. Um but uh we we definitely need to start doing something in this vein. Um a correlary to this um is a um a project management office. Um we have these very large building projects going on and it doesn't seem like we have a city project manager um in in in charge. app whether that's we just don't have the role or or so on but um you know we're dealing with in some cases tens of millions of dollars um and we don't have our own project manager and you know my experience that never goes well um I think a PMO office um could help with

stuff like this um because they they look at things kind of across the board not just from their own department um perspective I know um I believe the electric utility has a PMO office um that they use to manage a lot of their big projects and they do a lot more big projects than than than the rest of the departments but I think the city could benefit from that in addition to looking at this um because once we decide and look at this and start executing on these plans you need someone driving that ship. You need someone kind of being a taskmaster saying hey this has to be done you know got to get this done getting all the moving parts. Um, and I I think a lot of our angst with some of these big projects is we we don't manage our moving parts very well. Um, so

Okay. Thank you. So, um, Mr. Brown, yeah, just an FYI for everyone. Um, the facilities master plan was actually discussed last year and it's built into, uh, our CIP. you'll actually be seeing it um as one of the supplemental uh requests for this year for FY27 um for for you guys approval. So, that's already been discussed and it's it's already in there. Um so, you'll see that as we roll into budget workshop number one. So, that's been anticipated already. Yes, ma'am. Great. Thank you. Thank you. Okay, Mr. Perry.

Yes. Madam, um, piggy back on what, uh, Commissioner Seg said, if this, if you need it, we can get together and with the public works department and put together have HR put together a job description for the position of a project manager, bring it back to the commission to see if something that's something you'd be interested in, we want to have some comments on the duties we could either have before the budget or during the budget. So, just, you know, that's something that we can look into if that the council's direction. Okay. I can we listen? I'd like to hear what Sarah thinks about the facilities master. Yeah, she's she's not spoken up.

I don't have a hand, so I'm trying not to interrupt. Um I I agree and I think that it's highly important. I don't think that leisure service should be all the way at 1900. Um I had a I actually did a walkthrough at 17 Southm yesterday with staff and talked through some other things about that 17 Southm building. I think that leisure services does need a permanent home. I don't think it should be all the way out on Detroit Street, but I do believe that we need we need to know where our people are going to be. And I believe like the mayor has said for years, when you all work in a building, you have camaraderie, you have team spirit, you have support, and I also think it's going to be a lot easier for our residents who have no idea where to find anybody, right? And 1900 is not easy to find.

And it's not and it's on the outskirts of the city. It has it's not you know it's and to me leisure services is what and don't take this the wrong way all the other departments but it's really the heartbeat and the interaction of the forefront of of us interacting with residents right it's parks its services it's events it's coord that to me needs to be in the hub in the in the center of the city somewhere easily accessible um but I do believe that we need a master plan I hate the word plan I hate the word consultants because I feel like that's all we've ever done um but as long as something comes to fruition out of this as long as we actually say, "Okay, this is a plan and we're sticking to it and we're not going to pivot and turn." Because I feel like a lot of times we get distracted by the glitter ball instead of sticking to the strategic plan that the city is supposed to have. So, I would support this, but it has to run congruent as as Jamie was just saying with the CIP and the strategic plan. We can't keep playing whack-a-ole in this city. It's not working.

Right. And and I mean, I don't know. I like the same for you. I mean, I think a city hall would would facilitate that and we have that block where we have police and fire. Um, we could either put out a P, you know, a triple P proposal or something because I I I've been saying this for so long, there needs to be and I appreciate maybe that you brought this up there needs or whoever brought it up. We need to have that centralized thing and I I I don't know how we're ever going to get there, but I I think it's because because then leisure services could maybe be in city hall. what we use now is senior hall which you know they need a lot of space so um yeah let's I think it's a good idea let's sit down and talk about that um you know was there a next step what would the next step be

anyone yeah I mean that yeah right right so that's I'm I'm carrying the And I think and I think to Commissioner Molita's point um yes leisure services is very important to be able to have access to especially the parking part but I also think that um having all of the departments I mean as many as we can together really does start to bring that idea of we're not just silos we have to work together right

um because especially and and I know it's even within the community sustainability department, but the building and the and the code and the um planning and they're not working together, you know, and it's making the system harder for residents. Now, I know that has nothing to do with building, but it might it might have to do with like right now being in all of the different trailers. I don't know. But I just know that we're not communicating well between and within departments. Yeah. Okay. So, I mean, how do people feel about trying to get a city hall built?

Mr. Secret, just hand us up. I'm I'm making my screen because it's all wacky colors. Mr. I'm I'm I'm all for a unified structure that would encompass more of our services into one. Um, like I said, I think we got too many silos running around the city and we're putting good money into bad on some of these other buildings. So, I I would rather see us do a comprehensive project that's going to solve the problems for now and 10 years into the future than continuing to throw more good money into bad.

Well, I think what we're dealing now, and correct me if I'm wrong, Mr. Perry, and or Jamie, um, you know, we're we're in kind of a crisis situation where we had to move out of the, you know, that sort of thing. So any any project I agree with you you know but any project like let's say a city hall um it's not going to happen for the next number of you know it's it's we have don't have anything so we have to do I think we have to do what we're doing now to maintain what we've got with planning ahead for changing in the future because we don't have that

but but like you know what one example like for me you know in terms of what what I'm saying specifically putting good money into that the amount of money we're spending on 17 South to move that structure could be utilized for a much larger, better project. Um, it would get us a good portion of the way there. Let's let's for the sake of argument say we wanted to fix the annex building ourselves. That's roughly like $6 million. A huge chunk of that if we didn't move 17 south. And that's 600,000. What's that? I think I was we had cost of 17 South M is well over 600,000. Well, Mr. If we move it but don't renovate it is about $600,000.

Then what are you gonna do it if you move it and don't renovate it? Well, I'm just saying Sarah let her get in. Go ahead, Sarah. Um, you know, I I agree and that's why Yes. Can you hear me? Yeah. So, that's why I walked 17 yesterday. You're breaking up. Crap. I really wanted to hear what she said. Oh yeah. Well, we'll tell them where things are. You broke up.

No, we couldn't start over again. So, what I was saying is that that's why I walked 17 South M is because I thought it was important and I had I'm going to was going to pitch the idea that the visitor center and the information center be on the main ground, which wouldn't cause any buildout, and that we put the parking staff upstairs for their office space, which wouldn't cause any more buildout, and minimal improvement to say the least.

Right. And I'm glad you said that because I on my one-on- ones yesterday or Wednesday with Mr. Uh Perry, we said the same thing. My only concern about the parking on the second floor because I mean it's a good idea and it's a use for the building on the second floor which would not take a lot of renovations. The second floor though we've got ADA stuff. So we would have to have like a little kiosk or a little correct on the first floor. So where they actually you know interact with people, you know. Correct. And there is an office space there now for that that we could just open up the window to.

Exactly. Exactly. So that I mean that gives us a use for it and I understand and Mr. S which I've in my 101 ones I discussed you know 17 south the other day and you know it's already been through HRPB to you know to they've already um given their approval for it to be moved. So if with that with the use I mean how do you feel better about it if there is an identifiable use um based on the numbers I was last given? No. Now, I did not, again, I did not have my one-on-one, so I do understand there are updated numbers, so I don't want to speak. So, my opinion is based on the numbers I last saw, which were significantly higher than $600,000. Close to

that was I was surprised, too. I guess it's the difference between renovating or not. The biggest cost seemed to have come when the renovation was included. even even at that I mean my my my opinion on the on the whole thing is I would have rather seen um something else done there because even at 600,000 we can buy verse build larger. So um but anyway I'll I'll reserve my my comments on that to after I speak with with staff on the new new numbers and and so forth, but as of right now I'm still not a fan of moving that. Well, and that's but that like the mayor just said, you have the HRPB approval and we would be going backwards and putting time on and yeah, you need to have your oneonone to get the full story.

We might we might have to go back because HRPB put in a living wall. All right. Um Mr. Perry, out of the blue, Mr. Yes, madam ma'am. Just uh Commissioner Secretary, we do have you scheduled for next Tuesday uh to give give you a presentation. Okay. You can make it this week. you will have the all the updated information. But, you know, the the point of like, you know, just because HRPV approved it and we might have to go back, we might have to go back anyway because there it's my understanding there's certain conditions in there that we didn't Well, you you'll learn, you know, like the living wall, you know, I don't know how that's going to impact it. But if we decide as a commission that we don't want a living wall or don't want that expense for the city,

it's got to go back anyway. Not necessarily. But that's okay. Well, talk to Mr. Perry. Anything else? We're about out of time. Yeah, we're about out of time. I gotta run. Bye, guys. Yeah, I have to go to Wait, one more thing. In case anybody's listening and wants to do a cleanup Saturday tomorrow from 10 to 12 at the hub. Oh, Saturday tomorrow, 10 to 12. It's a combination between the hub recovery hub of Lakew Worth and um Tropical Ridge. So, 10 to 12. Can you forward that to Compass staff so they can be included? Absolutely. Well, no, I'll for you and you forward it to them because I don't know. Okay. Thank you. Thank you.

All right. Thank everybody. Have a good weekend. See some of you tonight at the dinner. Oh, yeah. Dinner. Right. And uh