City Commission - Regular Meeting

Okay. What's today's date? 20. What's today's date? 17. 17. Thank you.

17. 17. Thank you. Okay. Madame Mayor, it is 9:04 and we are live. Good morning everyone and welcome to the Friday, April 17th meeting of the pre-aggenda meeting of the city of Lakeworth Beach Commission. Can we have the roll call, please? Mayor Betty Rash here. Vice Mayor Mimi May here. Commissioner Sarah Maliga is absent. Um, Commissioner I don't see Commissioner McVoy either. Uh, Commissioner Anthony Segri

here. Good morning. Uh before we start, I just want to I want to make a comment about something. Last week at the agenda at our at our meeting, you know, I made a comment about going back and looking at things and Anthony responded, you responded um not inaccurately, a little in artfully, a little harshly, I thought, you know, saying it's ridiculous. But I've I've thought about what you said. And I mean, I I think there are times where we do need to look at um you know, things as as things come up. I just, you know, I would preferred if you had been a little less mean about it, but I do understand and I've been rethinking that and some of the things we're talking about the fitness park and the different things. So, um, I did take your word seriously and listen to them. I I did not take your offensive language personally because I don't do that. But, um, but I just want to, you know, I did think about what you said and and sometimes we do need to go back and take a look at what's going on. So, but if in the future, Mr. sacriish if you have a criticism. Could you be a little kinder?

I guess I hope I hope I think it's good for all of us if we maintain that sort of um I think you know derogatory terms aren't really helpful. So, but I just want you to know that I did think about that and um have tuned myself a little bit to that to that philosophy. So, I'm not ignoring you. Um so, we have a few Okay. So the I'm glad the the the thing is off. So anybody there's only three of us here today. Um I am Does anybody have anything they want to bring up? My my camera's zooming in and out. Miss uh May.

Anything other anything other than the I mean anything other than the agenda or do you want to jump into the agenda? Well, what's up? is our hour. Do as we wish. All right. Well, Jamie's got his hand up. Maybe we start there. Okay. Hi, Jamie.

Oh, hello. Well, I didn't realize we uh we were going to be down, Commissioner McBoy as well, but uh we do have I know at least uh we had sent out a list of dates from the clerk and I don't know if Melissa was going to cover this with you guys to pick some dates for these special meetings in May. Um Commissioner Secret brought up the last meeting, the uh city manager transition. It'd be nice to actually put a date to that meeting and then also um I sent you guys an email on the uh the whole putting everything on hold with code and having that meeting on um business friendly and uh staff be bringing recommendations but having that whole thing. So if we could get some dates put to those meetings it' be nice to at least get those scheduled. It did come we were talking about at the business advisory board meeting last night as well. So be

okay. Did they ever get a quorum last night? Did they get a quorum? Uh they did not have a quorum but we still have the meeting. um they can take action or anything. Okay. Um yeah, I'm I'm Go ahead. I responded to Melissa that all those states or to Shona that all those dates work and I'll be I'll do that today.

I'll look at that today. Um so, uh did did you want to talk about I the the city manager transition? I was a little not really sure what that is. Um, well, specifically, I was suggesting that we transition now rather than wait on until we have a new city manager. I think there's a lot of stuff um that I myself as a commissioner have been dissatisfied with. I don't want to go into it, but I think that public works needs more focus and attention. I think um uh assistant city manager uh Troy Perry has been doing a a great job when when we've had one-on- ones with him getting us the information we ask for and moving the ball along. I also think it could be a great opportunity for individuals within the city if they're looking to um uh apply for the city manager position to shine and get um a little more um focus on them um in in the process. But, you know, um the the the context in which it came up was that we're setting policy direction and it's just not getting implemented. And I I understand that we finally got, you know, the ball rolling on the code enforcement um policy direction. We set that direction six or eight months ago and we're just now having the meeting. and and I I don't know how long the search for the city manager is going to go. I just don't want to wait um for for us to have change and and get things done. Um because it seems like right now thing things are not happening. Um especially when we've been setting policy directions and you know we've been trying to work within the process

and within the system and and you know set policy and not get you know mayor you know you remind me constantly don't get your head in the weeds. Um, but at this point, in order to get some stuff done, I don't see any other way other than getting my head in the weeds or we make a transition um right now. And you know, it's not not a decision that I came to lightly. I I struggled with this for for a while. Um, but that is where my feeling is right now. Um, I I think there could be a lot of benefit to to doing it now in the interim between now and when we we actually do hire a candidate because I don't know how long that process is going to take. It might be three months, might be four, hopefully not six. Um, but we still need to get stuff done between now and then.

All right. Thank you. Um, Mr. Brown, your hand is your hand still up. I'm sorry. your hand. Okay. Uh Mimi, did you have something?

Um I don't necessarily disagree with Mr. Sigretch. Um I I'd like to know exactly what he's suggesting and I'd like to have the convers I'm I'm kind of It's kind of sad that Sarah and Chris aren't here. Um I I would be I would be open to a transition plan that would be different than what we have on the books. I mean, I think that Mr. Perry could be the interimm city manager.

Okay. I I don't necessarily agree. I think Mr. Brown is doing the job that he's doing for another couple months. I don't think changing that at this point would accomplish much. Um, but that's something that we'll have to vote on, I guess. You know, I I Mr. Perry certainly is doing a bangup job as as assistant. But taking Mr. Brown out of the taking the the acting city manager out of the equation at this point, I don't know that that would bring anything forward. Um, but, you know, that's that's something we'll vote on, I guess. Um yeah, it would have been good if we had our colleagues here um to to have that discussion. Well, we don't you know

I think time time is of the essence and there there there are things that are just not If you could give a specific for the meeting if you could give a specific example of something that um would change for the better if Mr. Brown stepped down. I guess I would listen to that. I'm not saying no, but I just I just I just don't know what how the frustration would be better if we had one less person at the helm. Um, so let's keep moving. Um, has everyone been had a chance to slog through the mobility fee technical report? I I have a couple questions about that.

Okay, let's talk about that. Okay. Um, it's No, I have not slogged through every page of it. It's a lot. But my I guess my question is a little bit um more global than it is technical. So I have two questions. One, when we collect this fee, who collects it? And then where does how does it get allocate allocated into what projects? So that's my first question. And my second question is how does SB180 affect this? Mr. Waters,

good morning. Um well, as you know, um impact fees are already collected by the county and they direct how that money is spent on projects that under state statute and direction are in the region that is reasonably associated with where they are collected, right? We still have to negotiating out west.

The region's very very large. Yes, I wasn't going to throw anybody under the bus particularly. And um our next step and the technical report that you have was sent to you um back in November as a preliminary draft and then it's now been completed. Uh it does include projects that are not necessarily prioritized. So the next we're going to give you update on how we got to where we are, the proposed fees. Uh the next step is creating an ordinance that will be negotiated with the county. Um as we see it, the city of Lakeworth Beach would collect the money. Um there will be a distribution between Lakew Worth Beach and the county depending on what we end up agreeing to um in negotiations to the ordinance. The money that is put in a separate trust account for mobility uh would build a balance. um the projects that are in the technical report and it can be amended from time to time to add other projects if they're seen as a priority. You as the commission would decide which priority projects would move along first and what funding would go with which project at what point. Um and then we hopefully within a year or so will have enough money to at least start um a couple of projects at your discretion. And these are um the funds are being collected by assuming that this this goes through and the county lets us do this then the fees would be collected by us. Would they be just for new build um commercial or residential?

It's broad-based. Um, all new residential would have a fee that would be paid based on the type of product, you know, whether it's a larger single family house, smaller single family house, a condo or apartment. All new commercial, mixed use, office, retail, personal services, uh, industrial. Uh, there are some fees that will be collected on larger additions to existing um, facilities within the city regardless of their type. Uh what it's really based on is is the new work on a property that either has an existing building in use or a new one. What traffic generation or mobility need generation is it going to um create by it being done? And then there's a commiterate fee that will be charged is likely not going to be collected until the time that the building permit is issued because part of the calculation how we're doing it is very along those same lines as zoning confirmation. So it will be an additional duty assigned to someone within um community sustainability or public works to figure out uh what the charge would be after actual building permit is submitted based on the square footage and the types of uses within that um proposed building permit. the along those same lines. Um, so let's say a big project gets, you know, an apartment complex or something gets the the fee for that building. I don't think are tell me if I'm wrong, it does not have to be exactly surrounding that building. It can be the money could be used for other mobility projects that we have identified.

We're utilizing our mobility sphere of influences are the municipal boundaries of the city. Thank you. So regardless of where the money is collected from specifically it will be a lump sum in an account and we'll use that to improve mobility anywhere in the city throughout the city because as we see it we are a united community and areas that are disadvantaged or lack mobility probably affect those that do have plenty of access and mobility. Okay. Um, and you'll be will you be putting on I mean I read I got through a lot of it not the whole thing yet but I know that we you know and that's why we had to have a mobility study so we had something to base this fee on. Correct.

Are the WGI consultants are going to be there on Tuesday night. Okay. Great.

Because they are the experts. I'm not an expert in this field. I try to know enough to wiggle by. Um as far as um Senate Bill 180. Um there was quite a bit of conversation about a number of the bills that are coming through. uh they the mobility people will give you um a little bit of a presentation or update on how that affects us, but since the fee is already being collected. We're not technically changing or making any type of develop more difficult, it should be easier because you are dealing with one entity, Lakew Worth Beach, versus two. And so, um, we feel fairly confident, um, if we can get to the negotiations with the county that we will make some, um, headway on this, um, project because it's been going on, we've been working on it for almost two years now. Right.

Right. And I'm on the committee with the, you know, when we talk about the the mobilities, the county mobility overlook. Yes. You have a meeting coming up and um, I'll be gonna give an update to um, Jamie and Troy um, to pass along to you and the commission um, not in a public forum. uh about how the regional transportation planning effort is going. Okay. Okay. Um now I'm looking at the revised uh the next one up is the fifth budget amendment for fiscal year operating and capital budget. Is that still be is that was what was that before it was

I'm assuming they're going to take out item one because it has to do with the Bryant Park fitness court but item two would still stand which is that's [clears throat] what I thought. Yeah. 5,000 to the um Madame Mayor. Yeah. So, I did um republish the agenda without the Brian Park fitness sent out sent it out to everybody. And I believe Wanda was trying to fix your books and take out unfinished A. So therefore, B, C, and D would become A, B, and C. Okay. I have my book, so I'll do that myself. Yeah, I have my book. I've taken my book. She did bring up the revised agendas as well. I I have that. I just my book was home so I didn't wasn't Mr. Sage.

Wait. So hold on. Are we taking out item one of um the budget amendment? Wouldn't that make sense? I'm looking I hate when this happens. That's a yannic question. Well, I mean, if we're not putting the fitness court on the agenda, we're not going to we're not going to vote to pay for it. Yeah, for the record, the Yanik with finance. Yes, I will definitely take it out with we're not going to make any changes. All right, I'm I'm going to cross that out right now. But item two to have the $75,000 for the grant program for the schools is then that that item.

Yes. So, I'm sorry, Madame Mayor. So, with that being said, um, Yannik, do you want me to I will I can revise the staff report and the resolution and republish uh later today. That's fine. Okay. And the that $75,000 is also connected to new business. It was e the about the school uh grant. That's for the school grant. Yes, that's for the school uh the school grant. Okay. Okay. Mr. Mimi, are you done? Yeah, for now. For now. Yeah, for now. Thank you, Mayor.

Um, just out of curiosity, I may have missed an email. Why was the fitness park item taken off the agenda?

Good morning, Tiana McKay, director of leisure services. I sent an email to all of commission yesterday. We had received some communication and saw uh comments from residents. So, what Bleisure Services would like to do is create a public outreach campaign to learn from the residents and gather research on their requests and needs for fitness in Bryant Park. So, we're going to ask them about the fitness park proposal as well as the current equipment and then come back to commission with the findings of that and provide you with more information on the residents requests. Anthony, did you meet with staff at the park? I did.

Okay. Because when I I met I met with staff at the park. I met with a number of the residents. Um my position has not changed on this particular project. Um I was going to be voting against it. Um if it looked like this was going to pass. I did have suggestions from the residents. I spent quite a lot of time speaking to them. Um, so I don't need kind of a staff report on what the residents there I mean literally 50 60 70 residents in the area um reached out. Um, and they they were not for this particular design. Um, so I was prepared to vote no. I I just don't want to waste staff time on doing a study on something that's not going to pass.

I I tend to agree with you. When I met um with staff the other day, you know, we walked down to the old fitness area and there's so much work that needs to be done. It almost seems like let's put our what resources we have into improving that, getting, you know, the metals all rusted, you know, if we're gonna rather than spend the 250 and and this is the same group I spoke with. I tried

I'm sorry. Um a couple four years ago, this was $145,000. I brought it just to talk about and it was $145,000 and I just kind of feel like it's a nice idea but we need to be looking at needs rather than wants at this point and there is a lot of public I have office often I think we've all spoken with with citizens with residents but um yeah I kind of agree but I don't think this is going to go anywhere. I would rather have us talk about where we should put that kind of money in Brian Park into um improving and and revitalizing what we have down there which needs work. It's the metal is all l delaminating. Miss May.

Um yes, thank you. I also did go the the Deerfield Beach has put in one of these fitness parks the exact same model. So I went down there on Saturday um at noon and checked out the the fitness park myself. Um, and it was it's I mean it's kind of cool ex except for you like the first thing says lay down on the thing and do core work, but you can't because it's too hot and then the um mural that they had put on theirs has peeled off

and the connections are rusting. And then so, you know, I I we weren't sure if that went in in 21 or or or later, but either way, and we don't know if they did the marine upgrade on it either, so I'm not saying that. But, um, then I went to I decided to get bold and went knocked on doors for the people that live around there and asked them, "Do people use this?" And the answer was actually yes, they do. Um it was generally uh men between 20 and 30 years old was the uh demographic and um the woman that I spoke with said you know more people would use it if it was shaded. Now mind you theirs is simply there isn't even a parking lot for theirs. It's literally on the side of the road when you drive down Southwest 10th.

Oh wow.

So so access is limited. it wouldn't be the same as our as our access because we would have been in a park. But um I can see Oh, the other thing was the way that it it is and the way that it would be situated, at least the way it was suggested to be situated in our park was um would would really give the PBSO officers andor park rangers a harder time visually seeing behind it be and there would be a lot of place for people to possibly hide. So, um I am definitely in agreeance that this thing get pulled. I would I was planning on voting no. Um and the other thing is I don't know that we need to go back. I think we can go look at what we have price out replacing that price out replacing the sale. We've talked to the people enough to know that they want fitness. They just don't want a monstrosity.

Yeah, I I agree. I I would like to make it go away. Well, that's gone. But I'm saying I don't want to wait another six months to talk. That's what I mean for the for the staff to to study. I don't that we need to study it. I think it needs to just be gone. Well, the fitness center, but they need to bring something back for fitness. No, no, of course. Of right. But just like take that off the off the plate. Take that off the table. So, can we do do consensus to give staff direction to no longer pursue that fitness park, but pursue repairing the existing structures, which I think they already have. I was actually going to ask for working on it. Yeah. Yeah. Um

or replace. You can replace too. Repair or replace if necessary. An upgrade. I mean, there's nothing wrong with getting new equipment and I don't think it's going to cost a quarter of a million dollars if it will enhance the fitness services at the park and it doesn't cause a safety issue and or a visual line of sight issue. And where it is now, it's right near the parking lot. I mean, it's in it's in a good place. the the equipment that we have now is in it's been there a long time and it's in a good place. So, I think we do have consensus to let it go to release release the the park and not have you guys working on something that's not going to succeed. So, I think we do have consensus. Miss McCay,

thank you. Thank you so much for your input. We did reach out and we did find out that Deerfield in fact did not have the marine package. So we do understand that that would be where that came from. So is the direction for staff that we move forward with providing commission options for updating the current fitness park that we have? Yes. Repairing it or whatever needs to be done. Yeah. Okay. I think that's that's part of the consensus, right guys? Yeah. Repair or replace. Yeah, Anthony, do do we have an update on because I know there was a a resident that specializes in some of the things that would be able to repair that shade. Did anything come out of that meeting?

Uh, yes. So, uh, Steuart Sword was reaching out to him to set up a meeting so we can have that discussion with him. Is that Chris? No, it's Craig. No, Craig. Craig Frost. Yes. I didn't know him expertise. I know Chris Couture has worked on those a lot as well. Okay, so we moving on. Um so we're going to change we're just going to have the $75,000 um in that in that uh item. Okay, what's up next? Uh the sculptures. I I had a question on the um on the 75,000. [clears throat] Okay. Sorry.

This I'm I'm in an area where where my access to the city website's blocked. So, I got to figure out how to get an updated copy of the agenda. But when I looked through it, um I had brought up that the 75,000 actually is sitting in a fund right now and the way it was presented was as a additional cost. Was that updated and and changed to reflect how it's actually? You mean on item E the um and again, forgive me. It's I'm a little technically challenged today here with this but um Okay, Madame Mayor, Madame Mayor, Mr. Mr. Perry,

how you doing? Thank you. Uh Commissioner, uh the manager brought that to my attention, but but as I was telling him, yes, the money is sitting in account, but you have to have an uh uh approval to expend the money. So if you look at the bottom, we're asking commission to yes, the money is there in an account, but you also like anything else, you have to have permission from the commission to go ahead and allocate and spend the money. So that's why that line is there. Perfect. Thank you. All right. Now, um what's up next? I'm working with my agenda, my old agenda book and my new revised agenda. Um the next Can we talk about murals and sculptures?

Yeah. And where is that now? Where's Mur? Uh, it's right now it's um unfinished D. Okay, thank you. Um I qu question question I have two questions. One for William. Is there in our definitions is there a definition that tells what the city's major thorough affairs are? Yes, it's found in two different places. Our major thorough affair design guidelines list them as well as within our LDRs themselves. Okay. And I'm is it 610th Lake Lucern Federal and Dixie and Lakeworth Road and parts of J KL and M downtown. Do you think you could uh send that just so I don't have to go searching for it?

Sure. I appreciate that. Thank you. um because that says they shall not be pred permitted on the street facing facades of buildings or structures along any of the city's major thorough affairs or downtown except upon findings by the planning and zoning board or historic res preservations board blah blah blah. So what we're saying is if if it's in one of those specific locations, not only do you need a permit, but you have to go through the planning and zoning or HRPB. Correct. Yeah. Which how it is now for the most part. Yeah.

Yeah. Um my question is then let's say that um they that the historic uh resources one of those boards um denies it. Is there I can't remember. Is there an appeal process? There can be to the commission. Yes. Okay. Because I just didn't want to have final decision making. by the uh nonelected board. But I I think that the and the updated um letter from the um Sher what's her name? Sherry from HRPB the the administrator

raised some interesting questions. Yeah. So, and some of those things were um you know, a lot of the things that we talked about where it doesn't we don't care what you put on the back of your house. If it's not if you can't see it from the road, that's fine. Um the sculptures need to be um you know, mounted so that they don't fly off during a hurricane. like all of those safety issues for sure, but we want to make sure that we're, you know, giving some leeway for the art that is Lakew Worth Beach.

I mean, um, we did make a distinction between single family and residential and commercial when it comes to murals on the back and who would review them. Uh if you think about it, if we and we covered this separately, but um there does need to be a level of review for the backs of buildings, especially downtown, because many of them face a parking lot or readily visible to the public, especially the future arts. So, we have made a distinction between the two. Um, and there are areas in the city where you would you have to let I guess you can let us know you're going to do a mirror, but there isn't any kind of formal review for in a staff uh process that can say no or yes or no.

I still have Anthony, I see your hand up, but I just made a comment. Um, I still have some some trouble thoughts about sides what you know we base a rejection or an acceptance on. We've had some great murals in our city, you know, but it's very subjective, you know, who likes that art. Well, that's one of my concerns is um you know, we've taken out advertising and we've taken out that would be a signed permit. Um and we've taken out words. You can't use words. But I'm I'm I am troubled by a commission, a board making an artistic decision on somebody's private property. What are they g how do they deny something? I Anthony I don't know what you're

currently we have guidelines that dictate type of architecture typology arrangement truth and architecture for both the preservation board and the um planning and zoning board. The preservation board has further guidelines in terms of what's appropriate. So within the major thoroughare guidelines and the preservation guidelines, there is latitude to provide an objective basis for whether a mural would be appropriate or not depending on the face of the structure that it's being placed.

And then maybe you know pine about a little bit. You know, there's an equal protection issue and a freedom of speech issue that we really can't um avoid and we have to abide by that as well. So there there is the high likelihood that we will get murals as we've gotten in the past that the public doesn't like.

Um and unfortunately that's um the way I this sounds try the cookie cookie crumbles. Artist artist um art and culture are you know subject to the taste of the individual um experiencing it. I just don't want to see a board being able to say, "Oh god, you know, I those colors are garish or I don't like unicorns on mirror, you know, I'm just looking." That would be considered an arbitrary arbitrary and uh contrary to law and a biased decision. So, if they if the board were to make that, it would be a perfect opportunity for that applicant to appeal to you and uh change the decision.

Okay, Mr. Se. Uh, thank you, Mayor. Um so in the being JK and L basically um between Lake Lucern are pretty much all major thorough affairs. Um is it that no murals can go facing those or if they want a mural there they have to get board approval because it sounds they have to get board approval. Yes. Okay. But it also sounds like pretty much all commercial buildings have to get board approval because if they want to do one on the back because of the alleyway or like you said the parking lot it would it would have to go through board approval anyway.

That's something we wanted to ask you about is that you know the back I mean the city has made an emphasis at least for 25 years the major thorough affairs are very important and all of our commercial districts face those streets. So what would happen on them I think is rises to the level of being going to a board. However, buildings that are on those streets that have other elevations, say the back or the side, uh may be more appropriate for staff to review under the same criteria that would be governing the decisions by the um the various advisory boards. And that was one point that we were going to bring up on Tuesday to ask your thought and it may require a minor adjustment to the ordinance between first and second reading.

I see. Um, go ahead.

Is is [clears throat] there really a reason to to make it board approval and not staff approval if you said that there are objective guidelines that we have? I just feel it puts staff in an awkward position when it's something that impacts the public so directly and many changes along those uh rights of way would have to go before a board anyway. Uh and then having part of a decision stay with staff and part of it go before a board and may not meet or um support each other. Um we felt that it was in the best interest of the public um that those um pretty those murals that might have a fairly big impact on the public realm should be vetted in a public forum.

Okay. [clears throat] I look on um my 96 where you've crossed out a professional artist or licensed painter um or under their direct supervision, but you haven't crossed out appropriately credentialed artist. I don't know what that is. There's a whole list of what would be there. They have to provide some demonstrated um either a portfolio or resume or something because I want to okay so we have somebody who wants to come with a spray can and spray all over the side of a building and call it art. Some people would call it graffiti

works a certified artist. I mean that's again the artistic I mean that you know if I have a if if I say I have if I own a building downtown and I have a design that I want to do but I'm not a credentialed artist. I mean maybe guidelines as to what kind of paint to use or but I I don't again I I just I this is a very it's kind of restrict. getting a little restrictive and I just I don't know that I think I think at some point we have to give up on the nanny state with this. It's

Yeah. I mean there was a there was a great there was a great mural on the facing the parking lot by the post office that was put up in the 90s by citizens. I mean it was just it was Gail Silverblat and and all those folks and they they went and painted it and it lasted for years until the building was sold and it got painted over. So I I I'm I'm just think this is a little too restrictive. title

and during our during our public hearing on Monday, that part can come out. Um, I do caution that there needs to be from the professional standpoint some ability to not just have a complete novice put something that could be horrendous and then we have no ability for them to bring it. The medium may be fine. The depiction of what's supposed to be there fine, but the execution of it could be really horrific and we'd have no ability to have them remove it or fix it unless we have some kind of criteria that the person has to be maintained. Well, yes, but it could go up really bad to begin with.

And but if it's on a commercial building and and it's horrific and people don't like it, they won't go to that. Yeah. The owner of the building. Okay. They don't get enough backlash. I don't want to set it up like that, though. I hear what you're saying, William. I just don't know. It's a catch 22. Yeah. Yes, it is. I see Elizabeth's hand is up.

Good morning. Um, I just wanted to make sure I I know there have been some updates to the agenda that we're all looking at the correct version of this ordinance. what I have in my book is different from what you all are discussing. So the most current revised version includes changes to the caption of the ordinance. So if you see um some highlighting in the caption, you've got the right one. And what what what caption that we're discussing? Yeah, I don't the caption. Sorry, that's the the part that's in bold at the very top on page one. Nothing's in yellow on mine.

Oh, where you mean from line four to 13? Yes. Nothing is in yellow. All right. Then you do not have the most updated version. So, in this portion that we're talking about, um, we did take out that beginning portion. So it just reads by an artist, sculptor, artisan, painter, crafts person or similarly qualified person as demonstrated through related experience, talent, expertise, training and/or education. What line are you on, please? That is lines uh 96 through 98. Thank you.

So it just takes out that qualifier at the beginning of that sentence. And other than that, I think the main difference between the two versions that you're looking at, between what you have and what's been updated, is that um to address the murals being treated as signage, we expanded section three that repealed all of the current mural code and instead put it in strike through an underline. line. So to keep the portion that says that murals may coexist with all types of on premises signs. If printed messages or logos are included, the entire mural shall be considered part of the overall allowable signage permitted by code. So just to clarify, if there's a mural that includes messaging or logos, that's treated as a sign, how that's calculated. So that's still going to be in the sign portion of the code.

What happened? Well, to bring up the dinosaur, why was the dinosaur taken down? I haven't spoken to the owner of Harry's. When he and I last spoke in December, I said, "We're working on an ordinance that would facilitate the dinosaur being to stay um between he and I." I said, "You just leave it there until we resolve it." And then when the code is either adopted or not, uh we will follow up with you and see where we stand. But apparently he was told to take it down. But he didn't take it down. It did not come from me.

Well, it came from your department apparently. I mean, code enforcement told him to take it down is my understanding. I haven't spoken. They told them to take it down originally when it was cited back I think in August or September and then I have followed up with him. Now, it was running in fine because it went to the special magistrate. And I said, "When we get this resolved, we will go back to the magistrate and work with you to reduce the fine um to the lowest possible amount because um because he didn't want to take it down." And I'm like, "Well, I understand why you don't want to take it down, but by the time it got to me, it was already been presented to the special magistrate."

But if if we don't have a code that prohibits it, why wouldn't we just take away that code enforcement violation? Our code is set up that if it doesn't have anything that allows it, you can't do it. That's stupid. Actually, it's our code. Our code that's in terms of use. That is not that construction argument only applies to use and zoning. That does not apply to things like this. I Well, I think I don't know if that's your opinion or if Mr. Waters agrees with you on that. I don't know. Um,

I'm sure he doesn't because we've used it to to persecute residents in the past. Things that aren't in there aren't in there. So, that's like the whole artificial turf piece. We had people from code enforcement, William, and others go before the magistrate and testify there was an absolute 100% artificial turf ban because it wasn't mentioned. That was later revealed to be not true. This is this is a problem. I on along those lines I have started meeting with a group that Christopher Fleming has um organized and I went to their first meeting on Monday and we're talking about a lot of these things. These are uh property owners that are having code issues now or have had in the past and I've asked them to get together their specific you know instances of and it's a lot of this interpretation stuff. Um uh so we are having a code enforcement meeting. I think that this um you know, we've been talking about it for a long time. I think it definitely needs to be addressed. Um I don't know why, you know, the the why Eclectic can't put up a sign. Why um I don't know what happened with the uh restaurant uh what is it on the corner of Dixie? What is it? The Mediterranean restaurant. They had lid boxes out and I they are gone now. Um, I think we need to look at not being quite so I mean, I don't know if that was on DOT property. I don't know what how that that happened, but it just seems like we're coming down on the people that we need to be encouraging a little bit more and use a little more. Um, for example, this one uh property owner, he has he stores high-end cars, but he also does the computer um diagnostics on it, and he's being fined because they don't have a a definition for what he's doing. There's no there's

no place for them to put that. So, again, we went again, we always we always assume the city can we we never take the side of we rarely take the side of the property owner if there's some sort of ambiguity. and I it's very frustrating for people out there. So, I'm going to continue to meet with them. Um and uh and Madam Mayor, yeah, I I too have been approached by that group and and will be meeting with them as well. I've been meeting with with members of that group for quite some time. Me, too, for a long time. The bottom line is it's not just annoying that the city takes the position of not favoring the rights of the property owner in the event of ambiguity. It's against the law. Well, all right. Um,

it's against the law. The Supreme Court of the state of Florida has stated that if code is ambiguous, it must be interpreted in favor of the property owner. And I don't know how many times, you know, we we have to go around and and sugarcoat things, but it but at this point, I don't think we should sugarcoat it. We're not following what the law should be. And in your in your example, I will side with William on that because that's a that's an issue of use. If there's not a defined use, yes, according to our code, it's not allowed. But that does not trickle into things like what we're talking about here in terms of the dinosaur. That is not a use because if you extrapolate that, there's nowhere in our code where it says you can have garden gnomes. Are garden gnomes illegal?

Are you and and that's that's the ridiculous nature of how they're utilizing it. And it's being done selectively. Well, I I I don't know if it's willfully selectively, but I don't know. But but where where my frustration comes in and the reason why I wanted to talk about the transition is we've been bringing this up since I got elected. And Mr. Sri, I've been bringing this up since 1993.

Okay. Well, absolutely nothing is happening. And we don't as a commission do not have the power to directly instruct William what to do with his staff, but the city manager does. and our only recourse is dealing with the city manager. And so if you've been dealing with it for however many years and I've been dealing with it for a year, obviously something needs to change. And we are changing it. But I don't think our residents should have to wait another six months. Well, I don't think I don't think changing that will I I don't see that I I don't see the connection because I think we are in a in a uh stance now to go forward and you've been helpful in in in pushing it forward. So I again that you're going back to that I I'm not going back. I don't see how that is is connected. But um but I think we you know we obviously have to take a look at and it's you know it's a really fine line because we cannot say to the code enforcement officers don't enforce the code and that's where that gray area comes in. Um so if you have a you know if you have a Supreme I would love the Supreme Court site if you have that. Not right now. I'm sure you don't in Greece but um

I don't have I don't have it on me but I said I I didn't think you did but I would like to have the site. Okay. I' I've sent it to you before. Okay. Well, if you can send it again, that'd be great. Yep. Um All right. So, moving along on our agenda. Melissa has her hand up. Melissa, sorry. Thank you. Thank you, madam's mayor and vice mayor. I [clears throat] just want to make sure that we go over the proclamations and the presentation before the uh work session workshop ends this morning. So whenever that is

in 10 minutes um there is a list that you sent out. Are those I mean they're on the agenda. They're not on the agenda. This would be for May May 5th since we're only doing presentations and proclamations first meeting of the month. So, I sent it out yesterday at 10:51 a.m. I can share my screen if you'd like. Okay. It's financial audit, fire rescue update. No.

So, yes. So, those are the presentations that are already on the agenda. I just wanted you to see where we were. and the NAPC [clears throat] wanted uh wants to present an award to Coast Restaurant for best of the taste of Lakew Worth Beach. So that uh [clears throat] that came from the vice mayor. Miss I mean she alerted me to it so I included it in the list. What what does that mean? um they wanted to come and give a present give an award to um to Coast for having the winning basically winning Great Taste having the best presentation.

Oh, I didn't know there was a there was a competition. Okay. There is this year I guess. And so I um I don't remember if I had emailed um the clerk or how that that came about. Did you talk to Mr. Frost? I'm sorry. Did I? Yes. No, I'm sorry. Um, no, it was my understanding you just wanted me to add it to the list of, you know, that when we talked to uh when we talk about the proclamations, right? So, we I'm not saying Yeah. No, I want to add it to the list and see if um anyone else wanted to do that if we think that

and so if there's consensus to add it, then I would certainly reach out and make sure I have the details to have them properly on the agenda. Um, I'm looking at the agenda right now for for that one and it it seems pretty full. I don't know if we have to do that that month, but I guess um I'm just looking at which one was your thing yesterday at the 51 10:51 a.m. I emailed everybody.

Here it is. Here it is. Okay. So, we already have the financial audit, the fire rescue update, an ebike presentation, CRA quarterly update, appreciation of Mary Lindsay, and the circuit presentation. Well, there's an there's an hour and a half right there, right? Uh, more than that probably. And that's not even proclamations. That's just presentations. Correct. And then we have all these proclamations as well. Let's talk. I mean having the presentations all in one is an interesting experiment. Um let's go to the pro I see your hand. Let's just go through this list. Um

well well what one one [clears throat] thing on the list I thought we had said if no one's requesting it we we just don't do it.

Well that's what we're going over now. Um Asian Pacific Islander no one's requested. The Haitian no one's requested. Um, you know, these are a lot of these things are we've done for a long time. Um, healthier Lake Worth mental health is asking for it. You know, I like to celebrate our clerks. I like to celebrate our public works. I think that's that's not a bad thing to do. I think the problem is now we have everything on one agenda so that that first meeting becomes so heavily laden with uh stuff. How much can we put on? Um, so let's talk about the proclamations. Can we before we Okay.

Go ahead. No, I was just thinking about maybe the proclamations are on the first one, but the presentations don't necessarily have to be married to the first one. Um maybe I think we're laying down. Yeah, we're burdening that one meeting with a lot of stuff.

I mean I I I hear the point that um Commissioner Sag like you know every meeting was taking a lot of that stuff. But I think if it's a presentation that's a little different than doing the proclamations. I think the proclamations are monthly proclamations and it makes sense to do them once. Um, maybe some of the presentations could be spread out throughout the month. What do you think about that, Commissioner Segri? Um, also I think we should do the same thing we do with the proclamations about presentations. What? Decide whether they make it or not. We're we're

Well, there's things on there. I mean, there's nothing and there's nothing on there that we didn't ask for. I'm not saying that. I'm just saying in general we we we should decide on it. But we we already said that we're not going to do proclamations if if no one asked for it, but every time we we revert back to we're we're doing the proclamations without people asking for it. Um we're it's it's not that this is overloading us. We're overloading ourselves with it. Well, well, that's why we're going through this list. That's why I think the clerk has said this has not been requested. I think that's why she did that.

Right. So, but I that but that's separate from what Miss May is saying about having presentations during, you know, proclamations on one, but presentations during the month. I I think um there's a certain amount of sense to that because now our our first meeting is Yeah, I wouldn't want I wouldn't want to change that now. Um I wait for the the rest of the commissioners to be around to do that. Commissioner Mayo is here with a new haircut with a new haircut. Oh, there he is. But I've been here for a while, but they didn't let me in until just now. Um, greetings from Omaha, Nebraska. Greetings. Yeah, you're looking fancy.

I was the speaker yesterday, so Okay, there you go. Um, oh god, it's 10 o'clock. No, it's 9:57. Okay, we were we all right. So, we'll we can talk about this at the uh at the meeting, but I think we need to look at that. But let's before we go, let's talk about the the ones for this coming month before we change anything. So, it seems like um mental health awareness has been requested. I would like consent. What? Oh, consent. Yeah, consent. Approve. Municipal clerks, I would like to, you know, commemorate them. Public works, I would like to do that. Um yeah,

as we celebrate our people, we get very few chances to show that we appreciate them. So I would like to do that. Um so the cler have we have consent to the clerks, public works and mental health. Yep. Yes. Yes. Yes. Mr. S. I'm sorry. What about historic presentation? Because that's also staff and beach safety is also staff, right? Well, what were the last two? I didn't catch the say historic preservation and also safety. Safety and beach safety is also staff involved. The life and the lifeguards have done a phenomenal Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's fine.

Yeah. I mean, if we they will have a very long meeting this May, this first time in May. Um, but I think I think we need to look at presentations being moved into the other meetings as well. So, madam mayor, so what I could do is the one like um Haitian heritage and Asian Pacific I could put on consent and they wouldn't be read. I would I would keep the Haitian Heritage one not on consent. Well, but no one's requested it, Chris. And we have a thing about we don't do it if they're not requesting it. Well, I'm requesting it.

Well, but no one has requested it. I mean the the people u healthier lakew worth requested the one thing. So um I I think given that uh vice may former vice mayor Mlega had said at one point that she would be in favor of removing other flags um but wanted to keep the Haitian one but then didn't vote for it. And we have a big Haitian community. I would keep the Haitian heritage on for that moment. actually haven't asked for it then. Um uh I'll try to find somebody to ask for it then from Omaha.

Um all right. I mean I don't it's now 10. It's almost 10. We don't want to waste a lot of time on this. But the Asian Pacific Islander I think just got on for years and nobody um so if we do the pro if we do the proclamations all but the Asian Pacific one and have the Haitian one on consent. If somebody shows up we'll pull it from consent. Um just consenting to the ones that were requested. I'm sorry. I'm only consenting to the ones that were requested. Okay. So, um and I am not the staff. You don't want to recognize the staff's accomplishments. It's not that I don't want to recognize staff. We we set a policy. I'm sticking to it.

All right. Um Okay. So, uh we'll we have time to talk about that, but uh I think for the ones for next month, I think we can go with what we've got. We'll talk about it more. And Madame Mayor, what about the NAPC presentation? You want me to wait till June for that? Oh, yeah. Okay. I'll bring it back up for the June meeting. Okay. Okay. All right. Thank you everyone. Um have safe travels the folks that are not around and um we will see you on uh who's are you who's gonna be here? I'll be there Tuesday. Chris, uh Anthony, you'll be zooming.

I will be zooming. I just want to note that we missed talking about half of our our agenda because of what we just went through. Well, let's we this part we talk about I mean oh and are we going to have an agenda meeting for all talk about the casino building? We didn't talk about we talked about it. We didn't talk about a lot of things. Beach club. It's just we have our priorities mixed up here. Well, all right. Fine. Um you didn't Nobody brought it up. Um we I was trying to go through the agenda. We got We weren't given the chance. The clerk interrupted our discussion of the agenda. Mr. Sagri, have a wonderful time in Greece. See you on Zoom on Tuesday. Chris, see you back in town on Tuesday. And um you know, you can always talk to the talk to staff about stuff. So, thank you very much and um have a great