Clean Water Management Council - Regular Meeting

set up. But yeah, let's do exactly what you said. Uh let's go ahead and do a roll call first of the committee board members and then we'll go around and do introductions both online and in the room. I'll start. Bruno Satia, district 2 supervisor representing here at the middle creek committee. I'm Harry Lions. I represent the resource conservation district. Joe Velasquez, the brand new president of the Lake County Land Trust Board. Y congratulations. Hello everyone. It's Pawan Padia, Lake County Water Resources Director. Michael Bedar, water resources program coordinator for Middle Creek.

All right. And then we're going to go online. I see we have Heidi. Sorry, maybe you want to stay hidden, but you're here, so introduce yourself. Or maybe you're busy doing something else. Uh, let's go with uh Holly Harris. Oh, hi. Um, is my microphone working? I couldn't test it. We can hear you loud. Okay, great. So, Holly Harris, I'm just a resident of district 3 and I'm here because uh for years I've been interested in uh getting trails going over in Mil Creek. Okay, let's go ahead and uh go to DWR. We have Nahid.

Hi everyone. Um yeah, I'm Nahida Madango with DWR uh managing the grant uh from the state for this project. and greatly appreciated your participation from both you and I think Elizabeth was there as well in our last meeting. That was really good information. Elizabeth, you're next. Thank you. Good morning, Liz Bryson with DWR um overseeing the flood corridor program. Thank you. And then we have Betsy Khan. Betsy Khan, the essential public information center, Upper Lake, California. Good morning. Good morning. And that's all I see on the screen. There's no one else. Yeah, I think that that's all for

Okay, let's go ahead and So, we have quorum because we have four. And you said that you're going to try to make all the meetings. Is there someone else from uh water resources that would take your place if you don't come to the meetings? Just checking in for quorum purposes. Um so in that case like I have to still think but probably I think uh Michael can represent me in that case. Perfect. Great. All right. Administration please. Uh, is the automatic start of the recording? Are we on for? Uh, yeah. So, I think it should be Heidi. Um, I can you confirm if you can hear us or I think you have to unmute yourself.

Nothing. Okay. And you can't do the record from where you are because you don't run the you're not running the meeting itself. Yeah, normally it's uh we do it from there. Um should I go from there? Yeah. Yeah. Go ahead and take a minute or so. Sorry. We can report. No, that's a good thing that we we session for a whole four days. That's pretty good though. Still here. Oh,

I want to discuss what you volunteered me for last time from the board of supervisors. So, I I was a good person would have come better prepared. I wanted to create questions of what we need from water resources so that you don't have to ask for those things. that should be provided and that way you can create a presentation based off that cuz I think there's certain things that just are obvious questions. I've already warned I'm going to be bugging you. It's not bugging. It should be consult.

It's obtaining information that is useful to the project we're working that's required of the coordinator. I don't need to add it as an item. I just want to know what what the time frame is. I think let's do that. Good morning. Can you hear me? Yes. Heidi, could you please hit record? Wanted me to introduce myself. Um I have my microphone on mute so you didn't have to hear everything that's going on in here. But I'm Heidi Price. I'm the new um admin for water resources. And um I just wanted to let you know that everything in the room is being recorded now so I can transcribe it later. Excellent. Okay. Very excited.

Okay. Thank you. The recording has started. Yes.

All right. Uh we're going to move on to consideration of any items not appearing on the posted agenda. So there's been a request from um committee member Velasquez uh to have a conversation about the upcoming presentation. Uh and since that will occur in the next meeting, let's go ahead and add that towards the end. Uh cuz no action will be taken and uh we'll just uh we'll figure out the coordination of that. Uh that way we get some questions written down of what we're looking for uh to present to the board of supervisor and to the public. Um and also make sure that she understands the uh the expectations of of how long the presentation should be. things like simple things like that and we'll get to we'll get to the details later. So, we'll we'll add that right before public expression. Uh so, in between 12 and 13, please remind me in case I skipped right over that. Um we're going to move on to board actions meeting minutes from December 1st. long long long long time ago.

Yeah. And so I do have a uh required change uh out of respect for my colleague. I I know I saw it once. I'm just Yeah, if we can make sure to spellrandle Crandell instead of Crandall. Uh it's L. I'm sure he would appreciate that. Thank you. Okay, that was my only uh notice. Are there any other changes or additions or deletions to the meeting minutes? Welcome. Thank you. Sorry. I'm sure you guys will be glad I was talking with Senator Maguire who's running for Congress.

Excellent. I hear none so far. We're going over the meeting minutes. We are fixing your name. Thank you. And uh see, I knew you would like that. And I'm sure you've never seen that before. AL. Um, so I'm gonna pause before action and just check in with the public. Any Oh yes. I It's nothing on the minutes. The minutes are correct. It's just that um Angela asked a question and Fernando answered another question when we were on the Army Corps. I can bring this up later, but the minutes are right. It's just that uh I have some uh question about about his answer. So maybe we can deal with that later.

Great. Because I was confused. What happened was after you asked for a refund, right? Remember that? Okay. So after you asked for the refund, um, Angela asked how much of the validation study was accomplished and then he gave an answer which I believe was an answer about the entire design process because he said 15%. And I can't believe that this validation study is only 15% done after threequarters of a million dollars. So uh so so essentially it's not the trouble is it's not a mistake in the minutes. It's just the mistake. It's a just a mistake in his answer.

So let's go and and make sure and talk about it during item number eight because I I agree with your concern uh and we need to get a little bit better of an answer. Yeah. So, I'm going to open up for the public any public comment on our meeting minutes before moving forward. Please raise your hand with the hand function. Seeing none, bringing it back to the committee for action with uh amendments to the name. I'll move as amended. There's a motion. I'll tell I'll second that. All right, we have a second. So, uh, just in case for Heidi, motion from, uh, committee member Crannell and then, sorry, Crannle. They both work.

I was thinking about the spelling. They both work. And then a second by Dr. Lions. All in favor? Any opposed? Motion carries. Okay, we're going to go on to project area parcel acquisition 4.1 updates and next steps. And I'm I'm gonna ask you one more time to reintroduce yourself to make sure that EJ is well aware of the new addition to the team. Hi. So, my name is Michael Bar. I am going to be program coordinator.

Just going to brief you on some things. Yeah. Thank you. One at a time. We all want 20 minutes on his fourth day. We're excited about it. Can't tell what it requires a lot of uh of processing of whatever it is that we're working on, whether it's part of the uh property acquisition, working with Army Corps, uh there's just a lot to it and having somebody dedicated to it is outstanding. Wonderful. Here to work with you. There we go. Thanks. Um I don't know whether we shared this thing before but

I don't believe I got the presentation. All I got was the meeting minutes and the agenda to the screen. I think the way it is set up we might not be able to share because right now it's that thing which is sharing not this laptop here. Can I see what's going on on your left? Yeah. So, you have the presentation here, but because I think it's not directly connected with the with the screen there. So, we can't share it with the public. Yeah. Can I ask the public if they're seeing if I show it off? No, they're definitely not or else we would see it. Will we join this?

Where's the IT guy? Let's see. Yes, we can join this meeting. and mute everything. your microphone and your and your laptop laptop.

Can you Okay, you're muted. Can you uh turn off your sound on the keyboard itself? like offer.

We off. Are we off now?

Are we off? Keep going. Steal this for a second. That's excellent. Let's try that. Can you guys still hear us? online. Can you hear us? Yes. Yes, we can.

Yes. All that matters. Okay. Now, let's share if you want to share this. And there we go. Okay. Yeah, there. Yeah, we can see it. I believe I just heard somebody say they can hear. They can see it. Okay. We were on uh number four, project area parcel acquisition. Thank you for your patience everybody. Every day is a new tech issue. I think is it slow or something? It's not going to slide 4. I mean what's it?

Stop sharing and share from slide 4. Maybe uh maybe I did the wrong thing. Maybe instead of share what I shared, share the um uh the program or the window desktop. Share desktop. Sorry guys.

I think it might be laptop. See, we can go from that. That's good enough for me. Okay, number four.

So, I think um so I will probably give an update on this. Um so right now like the last update we had uh on this one was the four document four properties which has been approved by board um for the just compensation and in the last meeting I think we had the request to add the APN numbers acres and the amounts. Yes. So we have it here and out of that one of the property um also the board just approved it for the property purchase contract which is like the final stage of it which is like the cooker property. So it's going through its final round. That's the red one.

That's the first one. The you see 17.7 acres 650,000. Um and the that the first one and then the below three are the one which was approved for just compensation but we are waiting on property owner to do the next step which is um basically agreeing and signing the uh sales documents. Once they agree with it properly it will come to the board and then once board approves it then the next uh steps start for that and right now as of as of today like uh monument has informed me that they are actively working on at least one of the three uh properties. So there is a possibility that we can hear anytime um about one of them.

So two of them have not had the offer to them yet. uh they uh they have the offer they agreed for the appraisal and everything but they are not in like either active communication or so have not shown the active interest that they would like to proceed. Okay. At this time but they all all three have the amount. Yeah they have the amount they have the documents and they know that the board has approved the just compensation uh for them. So the actions in their fault in their in their book. Yeah.

Uh can you explain real quick the last part? I I I think you explained it but I think it went right over my head. A second property is actively engaged with monument and has demonstrated strong what what second property and what is that? Does it have to do with any of the ones above? Yeah, it is one of the three. Um, do you see the three items there? Do you know which one? Um, cuz I I see two properties on at least each one. So when you say a second property, you mean an additional property? A person. A person. So it should include the whole So it's soon to be five instead of four. It seems to be two in the first. Yes. So two in the first, two in the second, and then there's another Coker property.

Not Coker. So the coer one is done with this one. Yeah. But the next person like who owns he owns maybe two parcel at a minimum because the other three at a two two and four I believe. So if that person sells I'm guessing probably they will sell both of them. So I don't know which one is that one but it's one of those. It's one of the I needed to understand it's one of the ones or is additional. It wasn't no it is out of these uh three. So that's why I guess it's almost everything is ready as far as they agree we can move forward.

Okay. So two two owners have offers and they have not responded yet if they accept them or not and one owner has said they accept it and it needs to go to the board next for the No. So the one who accepted which is Coker they are willing to move forward with it and the board has approved it. Okay. Yeah. Right. What's the next step? So the next step is so um I was just informed that that they need the original signature because I think we had one digital signature or something. So I need to provide them original copy maybe request um chair signature again. So a wet signature.

Yeah, wet signature and then once it's provided probably um so we provide to monument but at the same time I think probably they will reach out to DWR or something for the setting up the escrow account or or like making those payment. Yeah. So, it should close out sometime soon. Yeah. They need a notorized signature for property acquisition, too. Yeah. Okay. But yeah, it's it's in the final stage, so probably it will um move forward from there quick.

Okay. Well, uh hopefully we'll see uh activity happening on these next nine that are listed. I believe it's nine, two, four, one, two, three, four, five. Yeah, nine. Uh cuz we we proved that just compensation I want to say in October or November. Yeah. Yeah. I forget when it was. Uh and so I I'd like to make sure we move before I don't know what the timeline is for an appraisal uh to last, but I also want to just spend the money and get these properties.

Yeah. Okay. Any further questions on this? And I'll open it up for the public when we're done with the item four as a whole. And then we have a 4.2 which is related with this but uh next one. So are we good to for 4.2? Yes.

So I think uh that was another request from the last time that we also provide the APN and the acres for the non-willing seller. So these are the list like u which was in provided in the previous meeting as well. Um and and I think there was a letter which this committee approved or in principle like saying probably it can go to the board desk but it was just sitting on my desk but because we have Michael here so probably we will move that forward.

Yep. And that's that's where we want to do a presentation to the board to the public to give them an update of where we are and everything that we're working on. Um and I think the thing in the box is the one which we generally have because this came out from the previous meetings and then it's just like good to have just as a reminder kind of thing and and it's understood that the non-willing sellers is a very dynamic thing. Yeah. They could suddenly wish to sell to us and they others who were willing sellers could suddenly change their minds and become non-willing sellers. So uh it's a dynamic list. It's not a static thing at all. Yeah. And and I think that's all for item number two. So for item number four,

so I'm I'm going to mark Coker is done just because it's basically on the the the last state portion of it. Um there was nine total properties left that we approved for the just compensation. You're working through the whole agreement with the owners to eventually come back to get uh moving on the escrow. Uh so that's 10 properties. Then we have four properties potentially on a non-willing sellers list. How many properties are left?

Um so I think that's the thing which we were reviewing. Um we got to that or um total number left. Uh review

21 and that's after the 10 are taken out. Or does that include the that is after the teny. Okay. And how many owners? Sorry to you.

14 and we we'll we'll we'll give that a approximate since we're putting on the spot, but it's I think that's good information to continuously see shrinking the number of properties still that need to get worked on and get purchased. uh and the amount of owners that we need to work with. And I guess part of my reason for asking the question, and I know that we're in a bit of a bind with the Army Corps, but is there especially with the new flood map, any need for any other property when we eventually redo this design of where is the entire project scope? Um I think um as I remember like seeing those flood map most of the time I think we are acquiring the whole parcel which because that new flood map goes all the way to highway 20 and earlier like not the whole 20 was part of that 100 year flood plane but all the parcel we have acquired till now it seems like we are covering all the way to the highway 20 because nobody has sold or like we have purchased which is only partial there which would have been problem uh but I I'm not sure like if I confirm about all the way through because I think it's the very uh northern part of the that middle boundary that which was cut off from that flood plane to check whether that covers or need to do but yeah I think I agree the army cops need to be involved in that and see if if anything changes in overall boundary or do we have to increase the scope of and I get that the money that we have could only be used for what is in the original scope if there is a need to expand the money couldn't be used but it'd be nice to get a be better concept of if we have to or not

for one thing it'll decrease the lot line adjustments we need to do which will save time

and we talked a lot about partial acquisition and so I don't believe we ever did a partial acquisition we talked about it but it sounds like that's off the table because let's just make sure we get the whole property and then we'll figure out the rest later on. Yeah, that's there and at the same time I think u there would be some part in the design that need to be incorporated suppose if it is not possible to acquire certain parts parcel because it's uh like a developed area like already being um like the at at some point probably if somebody has developed it they are not willing to sell it but as part of the design whether it's putting a levey or like a bum or whatever that is or raising that particular area need to be incorporated in the design. So even though it is 100year flood plane but it can be adjusted.

So for the owner uh so I think if we are flooding that area and that going to affect them it might be the project uh addresses that or or like some I think we can dive deeper into that like once we reach there but that should be definitely be incorporated in the design. Okay.

Yeah. Um so I'm going to ask a bunch of other questions that I apologize. Um, it would be nice next time we meet if possible. Uh, I know you're new and I don't want to add a whole bunch on stuff, but I think money is an issue and we'll talk about that later. It would be nice to know what are the 21 properties, how many acres does that show, what have we been paying per acre. I know that's not a static number either, but just to get a concept of how much money are we missing to complete this acquisition process because I know uh I'm sure DWR will say we're in conversations of seeing what that where we can move some money around with the current funding that we have. But do we even have enough within the current funding to move stuff around to finish acquisition? That's something we probably should get started on sooner than later. I believe 2028 is our deadline for spending this funds. It would be nice to get the process started this year if we're going to be looking for any kind of funding extensions because it takes time. That's

right. I because the Middle Creek and that's the Blue Bourbon Committee had projects in need of funding. Cecilia added money to the budget to do that. I could see a parallel here for the next want to make a healthy leg. This is going to make a healthy leg. So, yeah. Okay. Precise.

Uh then the the last part I just I I guess I've never gotten a good answer to that and that that's not because of us. I think that uh Army Corps wasn't quite sure how to respond. Uh and again, when looking at the project area based on the flood map, there are some parcels that are going to be owned by uh some of our federally recognized tribes. Now, I've learned through the process, I didn't know this before, to the things you know or don't know that um federally uh recognized tribes when they have trusted land, it's not necessarily their land. It's actually federal land that has been approved for them to utilize and whatnot. I'm I'm probably butchering that a whole lot, but cuz the concept of doing a job with the Army Corps is we are supposed to acquire all the properties, pass it over to the federal government, then the federal government does the project, then it gives it back to us when it's done. I just want to make sure that the federally recognized tribes are we're collaborating with them so that we can say, but you already own you already have these lands in your hands. the federal government. So when we give you the other land, it completes the project rather than suddenly being stuck. And I mean, I think one of the worst things that could happen is us saying we we need to take over your land just for temporary status. Um and and I just want to make sure we figure out what what land within the project are tribal land so that we can deal with that question much sooner uh and make sure that we get some sort of answer from the Army Corps because uh that is one that I've never received a good answer. Uh I don't want to acquire it, but at the same time the Army Corps hasn't really told me what happens. And I think there is a way to make that possible where it's almost like we're together on the project. It's all in the federal uh federal people's

hands to do the project, but again, nothing has been identified to me. So, I just thought I'd bring it up. This relates to that. Um, there are government to government meetings going on. Is the county involved? Could Michael be involved? I know that the army and you're talking about the army corps.

Yes. Uh I know the army corps was meeting uh doing tribal consultation or just tribal meetings regarding this project. I don't know if that's continued because we also used to have meetings with the uh army. So I don't know if everything has stopped or if they continue. Um but there was when we had our meetings al together tribal leadership was also at those meetings or the the right tribal personnel were at the meetings when we were engaged. Then there was just the tribal meetings on the side. Um, and EJ, I I don't know. I know Army Corps stopped meeting with us. Did they stop meeting with the tribes as well? Like everybody's got the same

kind of stuff. Uh, and I think they do meet with the EPA director or the now the uh transportation director, but I think they have still their standing meeting. I can um matter of fact, I can reach out and see who's Yeah. Would it be possible for a new program coordinator to be part of that? Yeah. I mean, we can ask, you know, they if they'll let them, but you know, that's up to the the tribes, but I'm sure they wouldn't have an issue with that. I don't think they would because it would help same coordination and collaboration. I think they would be okay with it if they're still having it. I'm going to look on my calendar because I have another calendar that might show it. Okay,

I think those are all the questions that I had at least for now. Um, yeah. So, I had a question. Um there are 21 leftovers. And how would one describe these these owners? They they know that the project's coming. They receive letters that uh that that their land they they're open for purchase of their land, but they haven't responded. This might be something for Michael to bring back next time. Yeah. They would want to know about these 21 leftovers. what's their status in terms of what they know and what they've done so far.

And I would talk more about the 14 than the 21 cuz to me if you're a non-willing seller, it's not that you're not willing for one property, you're probably not willing for all of your properties. So, uh, four out of the 14 appear to be non-willing. Okay. And I don't know what that does to the 21. Yeah. And those those that appear to be non-willing are different than the uh the four that we know are not. Is that true?

There were some that just never responded. This is something. Um the map if we can get an updated map also to show us what is acquired, what is in process and then what's left over on the the the the 21 and then maybe even a split between willing seller and non-willing seller. That way we can have a little color coordination to see what we're what we're looking at.

Yeah. that then the map online can be updated too. That that's pretty old. So nice. And if appropriate, it'd be nice to know which parcels that are within the uh project area also are triby owned or in trust. Uh just so that we know that yes, it's there, but we're not we're not making any effort to acquire it because it's already acquired. Okay. I'm going to open it up for public comment on this. Ollie,

oh, hi. I just had a a short question. Um, I'm not sure that I heard it earlier or not, but how many people are still living over there, if any? That would require relocation. Um, so out of let's say there are 21 parcel, right? So roughly I'm guessing 10 to 15 parcel like which has a home or like some kind of residence. A lot more than I thought. Yeah,

there were um I was just curious. There were um I think two people that were living over there by the um the large center parcels. Uh and I was just wondering if they were still there rather than the ones along the highway. Does that include um I think you would have to give names to make it easier for to answer that question. Okay, that's no problem. Unless you know the 10 to 15 include claim probably include all. Yeah, whichever we have to acquire because there's that one portion on the side, right, that they talked about. Yeah. Okay.

Any other questions? Oh, I did find that they do still meet monthly. So, the next one I'll send to him. So, just to just to go. Yeah. That way you can go just part of it because I'm not sure if everyone need I see the list. So, yeah. Gives you two. Um, thank you for that. We're going to move on to item number five. Bod bond bodati bondi. And uh it's my accent there.

Uh 5.1 update from ad hoc committee discussions on next steps. I know we're in the works of purchasing the southern piece I believe. Um yeah, I mean I have communicated that to monument. Um I'm not sure like whether like how what progress they have made yet. Okay. But the northern piece is the one that we've pretty much either hit a a wall or they're willing to sell, but it's kind of way out there. Um Okay. Any other updates? I don't know. Okay. Is that northern one still for listed as for sale? She's the So the southern one is the brother, right? Uh yes.

Yes. The northern one is the sister who's really staunch on the Mount Shi, I think, or something like that. And also in the northern as as well as the higher higher up grounds. Yes. Yes. It has a higher up. It is the island. Yeah. Buildings. Yeah. That's a northern one. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Any questions from uh the public on item number five? Okay. Moving on to item number six. DWR update and correspondence. Go on.

Um, so from DWR I think so last time it was brought up about invoice 1717A which was not directly related with the biochar project but it was brought up. Um, I think we have resolved it. So I think we have received the payment or make the processing of it. Um, that's one thing. The other thing is like I'm in touch with them about like what we need to do for because we at this point especially after the coer property we have to make some adjustment or use the contingency funds which is about $1.1 million. uh even though we have communicated but we have not made anything formal because I think it's not needed yet but I'm going to update Michael on that and probably he will follow up and make sure that whatever is needed um is taken care of and and I know the I had some communication with DWR in the past that where they said like they might have some funding available um but I have not sent out any official or anything but moving forward I think we will be following up little bit work closely on that. Okay. Yeah.

So, I have a question about the biochar. I was looking for something else completely unrelated for supervisor. I thought I saw that they had removed they had withdrawn their request for a permit. Is that accurate? Yes. Okay. I know that the lease is still something they bring up. Yeah. Yeah. Like I mean they keep asking and to do what? No, I think probably um that's the board has to take some action on that like what going to happen to the lease. The the what's being asked is to kill the lease. Oh, they already and and that would be from the community.

I don't know that Scots Valley is asking specifically for that to occur, but Scots Valley pulled their project. So the project no longer exists. The community wants to kill the lease to make sure it has no potential of coming back. I didn't realize they'd already leased it. Yeah. Yeah. A couple years back. Oh, okay. Okay. If Pan was the director, then it probably wouldn't happen.

Possibly. Uh, any other comments from the committee on that before I open up for public? I see I have a hand from Betsy Khan. Thank you very much. Uh the question about the property that was proposed for the biochar project, the question at hand was whether or not a conservation easement had been created by the department of water resources or watershed protection district or the county when they purchased property in compliance with the requirements of the do of the funding for the middle creek marsh project. So that question still remains whether the project has been re uh rescended by Scots Valley Energy Corporation or not. We still need to know that.

And so uh last month's meeting we got a really good answer from um DWR Department of Water Resources at the state level. Uh I I'm going to paraphrase, so please correct my statement if it's incorrect, that yes, it is in our contract and our agreement with them that we would eventually put on a easement, but there's no specific timeline in placing that easement. So currently we are not in um breach of the contract that we have but prior to the project moving forward we absolutely need to do that easement restriction uh because that's part of the expectation to make sure that there's a conservation easement um on on these lands that we're doing restoration on. We're not doing restoration so we can bring back industry and other commercial activity. uh but there was no given timeline of when it has to be done. Uh there was talks about that we can do it in one bulk group um or we can do it one at a time. It's really up to us when we do that but there was nothing uh that DWR saw as u a breach of the agreement that we had with them. But yes 100% before the project moves forward with um Army Corps it does need to have that conservation easement.

Okay. And then and then related to that is the question of whether the the property will be cleaned up which was an issue for the community of which I am a member uh because the um property was transferred to the watershed protection district uh ownership but the area around the small section that was going to be developed had not been cleaned up and protected for the wildlife. life corridor and so forth. Is there any uh consideration being given to to uh completing that responsibility?

So I I I do know that we have maintenance dollars and we've used maintenance dollars to deal with multiple issues within the Middle Creek project area. Uh and so I'm sure it's on your radar because you've heard about these things. So if you want to respond to uh what your plan is or what the responsibility is.

Yeah. So I think uh we have done some maintenance out there and I know probably that's not enough or like as requested by the community. So moving forward we will be doing more of it. Uh and especially because we have a dedicated person here now. So I think it would be like little bit more streamlined but at the same time we don't want to spend down all the maintenance dollar right now because right before the project would be implemented there would be some cleanup which is needed. So we do want to keep like a balance between how much we want to spend now and also between the actual implementation.

If we have all those plans with buildings presidents on them, they they all need to be gone, right? Yeah. So for that we do get like a separate uh line item in our budget thing. Okay. But like as soon as we purchase it, we do get some for maintenance which is specifically for cleanup basically. Okay. That's separate from Yeah, it's it's separate from that. But at the same time, we that's a fixed amount like maybe 15 to 20% of the purchase price.

Um definitely I think the structures or somewhere where where it is like I know a couple of location where it's an issue for the levy access or or like the levy maintenance as well. So that would be like our first line of attack saying we're going to make them like come as like one project and whether it's fencing the structures which lies on or encroaching on the levy uh probably that they will be taken out first and then so I think there were like a complaint about let's say 40 acre of parcel and there were like some lumber or some pipes or something laying around which in like if you think about the size of the property is not as critical as because people dump stuff out there as well. So suppose let's we clean up everything spend down all the dollars and then we have to do some maintenance or right before the project which when the project is implemented so I think we do want to keep like some balance of it but moving forward there would be more maintenance than it has been in the past

and I know for some of the buildings you're uh from what our conversation has been you don't want to do it one at a time you're looking to do a full bulk of hiring somebody here's the project scope you have this property that property this property, get rid of the buildings all at once. It's a much more uh economical Yes, I learned I I'm going to try to use your terms here. It's not cheaper. It's an economical uh to do it that way. Uh that way we don't have to do individual contracts and just one thing at a time for them to position themselves to be able to do those. Yes. Do I need to file a complaint

respond? Do I need to actually file a complaint to code enforcement to ask to have that done? I mean, this is this has been going on since the time of the purchase, which is many years.

So, I think if you have something specific about any specific location because we are talking about hundreds of acres of uh parcels. So, we can you can reach out to us and we can look into that. But if you're talking in general, um I think if it is um that has to wait. I mean, we can't just go ahead and clean up like 200 acres of um or like even more uh with like a short-term planning.

I I'm only asking for those people who were the the opponents of the project. I'm not personally concerned about it. it's not, you know, not affecting me, but but the community members that that were attempting to try to protect the waterway and the wildlife corridor and the watershed uh impact on the Rodman Slooh uh uh wetlands and so forth. Um who had, you know, had been trying to get that cleaned up for a long time. I'll just let them know. Thank you very much.

And and I know we're being recorded, but I feel the need to respond. Um, I would almost bet that we have not gotten a complaint about that and that a lot of complaints came to try and kill the project more so than truly because of the concerns that people had in general before anything. If it's a problem, we need to take if it's a problem, we need to take care of it. Absolutely. Uh, and so I I think that if the public wants to submit something to code enforcement, if they're seeing something that's a nuisance, I think we should take care of it. Uh, and so, uh, that I would just follow the general process, but I'm willing to bet that general process has not been followed and that things were just brought up to try to find any reason to not make this project move forward. I

I don't disagree with you, Bruno, by the way. I'm I'm in favor I was in favor of the biochar project. I was just asking as a question of what what steps could they take so I could uh let them know. Thanks.

Appreciate that, Betsy. Uh let's go on if there's no further questions. Uh we are on item number seven. Speaking of uh project area property maintenance. Uh yes. So I think we already touched on this. So um as I said like moving forward we will be doing a little bit more than what we has been done in the past. It's more about like uh having somebody dedicated and doing all those coordination I think which was we were lacking from our department side but I think moving forward we we can definitely dedicate more uh resources towards it. Yeah. Okay. And then I think there was

7.2 is recreational destination proposed idea. Uh so uh I think it's Holl's item like uh and I see she's uh joining us online. So Holly, can you give us a update on this or what it is about?

Um okay. So um I think I brought this up uh it was last June and then uh it was maybe in August or or something like that. Uh but uh originally uh as part of the Konai regional trails we had opened that that section B middle creek nature area uh under Lars Euing's direction and uh we had maps a brochure etc. And sometime during the u you know the interim between when that happened which was 2018 2019 uh it got shut down. Uh anyway, the Kctai regional trails, we had always wanted to get connections between Upper Lake down to like the Nissern Cutoff. Uh so we've been following this quite a bit. Um and uh we currently have a water trail that runs up um Rodman Slooh. Uh this is something that's very uh important and this could be segments. Uh we don't propose, you know, taking gates down. We just talk about passive recreational where people can walk, hike, uh bird watching. Uh we feel it would be a major boon to the northshore. Uh we have letters of support from uh the the uh uh worth which is the western region town hall which this falls under and uh earth the east region town hall. Uh we have letters of support from the tourism improvement district and redwood autobond society. So anyway, I just want to uh rebring this back to the table to see if we could look at some way of um easily reopening these things. We know that um or creating things that uh you know would not be an issue. Uh we know that the whole concept is to you know flood a lot of this down in the future. Uh this could be a way of um talking bringing to the public talking about it. uh it it would just be a major boon to our um you know to our economy up there if we could do that. If you have any

questions, feel free to ask me.

So, thank you for um reminding us all of the original time that you brought this to us. Uh I think that you had pretty unanimous support that this is something we want to I mean it's it's an area that we want to preserve uh bring back to its original state. Uh, and we we don't want it to be something that just hides. Uh, we want it something that we can share with everyone. Um, and I would suggest working with Michael and seeing uh where we can go with that and um whether that needs to wait for further acquisition and further uh capabilities um or if that can happen sooner than later. that's going to be up to uh what you find and uh the hurdles or restrictions that you bump into. But that's that's what I would suggest from this group cuz I don't think there was anybody that was against moving forward and making sure that KRT expands its trail system into an area that is obviously uh a natural preserve of sorts.

The only question I have is my understanding is none of this impinges on unwielding sellers. That that's why I'm saying work with Michael to make sure there's no restrictions because we don't want people walking around on private property and making sure of all those things. Yeah, correct. Um we very carefully went through all of this and uh none of it is on uh anybody any property that's not already been acquired by the Middle Creek area. Great. So uh so at the same time I think there are some u like access issues especially because it includes levies and the the section B and section A where you see like that's mostly the levies

and I think uh Holly met with Linda and um did a site visit as well and she did raise some concern about like why that might be a concern as well for DWR but I think it would be um up to DWR to provide that access or like whether they even allowed or not because normally for levies that's an issue because we don't want like people to be on the levies and that's why like they are most of the time kind of fenced off or closed out. Is it a liability issue?

Yeah, it would be a liability issue and also I don't know like they might have other issues as well. Um I don't know whether is DWR the same team who are joining us here today but I think our plan is to set up a meeting um with DWR and and the trail group and and the department and moving forward probably Michael going to be like coordinating that thing as well. Yeah. Yeah. We would love to have a a meeting like that. And just so you know most of this is not on the levies, it's on the service roads that are next to it. I'm going to let Michael speak. he's been trying to jump in

the in a short four days that I've been here. Um when I spoke with Linda about this, uh the word inundation kept coming up, which was uh that we need clarification on the uh service roads being at an elevation above the inundated wetlands. So

I think I looked at it as some it's going to be many years before it's inundated. And in the meantime, that's the way I was looking at it, that this all needs to be revisited when we actually get a plan from the Army Corps of what's feasible. But we don't even know what's where. So at this point, if it's going to be five, seven, 10 years before we we get work done, why not let people enjoy it in the meantime? So we're talking actually in a phase before potentially tomorrow, potentially two years from now, potentially after the project is done. Okay. So there's space,

but I I think that you're going to have the best eyes and understanding based on your conversations on what's feasible, what doesn't create liability. Uh cuz we are nervous about the levies not being in the best of shape. So uh if if there is access to the levies, is that perfectly fine? if they're not in the best of shape, is there the potential for erosion while somebody's walking out there? I I mean, worst case scenarios, right? But I think that um in your conversations, you'll be able to uh figure it out and uh apologize. Oh, yeah. I'll have conversations like this with you further on.

Couple of things, too, is that uh like just had this been like because I know like 10 years ago this was proposed, they'd probably all still be walking on it right now. But um the thing too is the M MA17 fees that are coming out of everybody's taxes are essentially supposed to be paying for the uh repair of the levies anyhow in that area. So I mean I think if we're worried about the liability, I think there's a way to connect the state to it since they're collecting those fees anyhow or they're collecting the fees and we're obligated to fix it or something like that. Right. uh so this portion of the thing I think there is directly uh maintained by the state

so this section so there are sections like which is maintained by uh water protection district and but there and then there are certain section which is directly managed by them and that's where I think this one is the area where they directly manage it and that's why we can't give them say yes or no to that because it it is them who has to agree on um whether they allow done by

yeah this is MA17 so this is this whole thing is is maintained by the state and I wanted to add that there are people walking there there are people bird watching there there are official groups the Ottoman society and uh classes and whatnot so the public is using there is president but the public is using the are the these levies um they just haven't been formally invited in the way that this is proposed yes so this is exciting. It's always good to get permission for what you always sooner or later. Yeah.

All right. Um I see a hand from somebody. Then give it up. Is that Betsy? Is that your hand from before or is this a hand for this item? Oh, sorry. I just forgot. Okay. Um I know you have interest in everything, so that's why I wondering if you just put it back up for more. All right. You're so right. Let's go on to uh Army Corps of Engineers and validation study status update as well as the cost share balance summary. And we just received the cost share summary I believe is what we received. Am I correct on that? Correct.

So if we can go ahead and uh just speak to it and since we did receive something here in person, if we can also make sure and explain it uh to the folks. Oh, it's up. Never mind. And I think since Arb is not here, I think probably Mike is going to provide an update, full update on this as a quick update. Um, and I catching up. Of course, I wasn't here when the Army Corp was here last. You have two weeks to say that. That's it. How long you want to stay? I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding.

Uh, but this appears to be a letter that uh information that was requested uh from the last meeting. Um and u just on the table it's difficult to read maybe uh what we have on the cost share balance summary I'll read the paragraph before that um this letter two paragraphs uh to Mr. reviewing. This letter provides an update to the financial status as put forth in the design agreement or DA between the Department of the Army and Lake County Flood Control and Water Conservation District for the Middle Creek Flood Damage Reduction and Ecosystem Restoration Project executed on November 8th, 2004. The DA stipulates a 75% federal 25% non-federal NFS cost share split for this phase of the project. During the December Middle Creek project committee meeting, county representatives inquired whether the Army Corps could return funding the county has provided their portion of the cost share stipulated in a 2004 design agreement. Army Corps will not be able to return these funds as they have been requested to match Army Corps expenditures and be in cost shared balance. If the county wishes to terminate a design agreement, any feature agreement would likely be cost shared at 65% federal, 35% non-federal as noted below. A current financial overview for the project balance sheet with project expenditures and received funds is attached as an enclosure table below summarizes the information in the balance sheet. So total cash total of 1,799,732.85 of which 1,387,39985 is federal and 412,333 is non-federal. Most of that is project expenditures.

Um, and brings the cost share to 1,244,247. I don't understand that lucidly right now. Yeah. Which makes available funds 106,665,000 total. federal 54,000 change and non-federal 52,000 change. They're available funds that they have plans to use and so they weren't going to move forward on the project. As noted, go ahead.

These I believe are the available funds that they wanted to do steps. There were few things they wanted to do. One involved CHIPO, the state historical preservation office. They wanted to get a pro a program agreement with them. There was one other on the ground bit of this that they wanted to accomplish and I believe that is what they want to do with that uh 10665 but I don't I don't know for sure.

So I I don't I'm going to explain it because I just did the math. Uh project expenditures. I'm not quite sure why it breaks it down with 1299 and then 359,000 for non-federal cuz when you do 75% it is exactly 1.244. So it sounds like they may have spent a little bit more and then they readjusted it so that it was back to the 7525. So I would say ignore the project expenditures. That is the correct total but that is not an appropriate breakdown of 7525. Uh, and then so the expenditure that says the 1244 the 1.244 million for federal that's exactly 75% of the 1.658. We should ignore the 1299.

Yeah, that would be what the parenthetical uh I guess in the red uh 54,811. Yeah difference. Yeah. Uh that that appears to be. So um we still I mean we put in a lot more money than this. Um we got some money from uh Thompson. I think it was 750. Yeah. Uh and then we had also put aside 800,000 of our cannabis dollars just to make sure

still in the county, right? That's still I mean the we we've been we've been paying for our share throughout this whole revalidation study process which is why I said well if you're going to shut down the project can you pay us back what I'm hearing is project is not shut down it is on hold.

Yeah. if you wish to remain on hold and try to reactivate it, we can preserve the 7525 because that's I guess grandfathered in for a lack of a better term. That that's how we started and they will keep their word on that. But it sounds like the US Army Corps has changed it to a 6535. So if we cancel the project and start again when they're ready, we would be now utilizing the 6535 and basically lose and throw away everything that we've already done. It doesn't say all that, but that's what I'm seeing between the lines. Um, and so I think we need to uh continue discussions uh with Congressman Thompson uh to try and make sure that this comes back. This is the most important project for the entire county. As far as I'm concerned,

we're hoping that with the new district maybe we need to those. So what was in red on the original? It's not red on the black and white. Did you say this? I said in the red meaning just in the back the 54 in parenthesis because it said that we expended 349 anything that's very p you see oh okay the cost share balance third line the letter continues to request making a request to

and I mean I this This is not your letter, but I still don't understand the available funds. If we're saying total cash was 412, but then we spent 414, how do we have 52,000 available? That but that's that's that's not here nor there at this moment in time. Um I think I think the general I think the general statement is what we just need to hear and understand. Uh and and I think we just need to keep communicating with the US Army Corps, letting them know that this is still a high priority. Uh we'd like them to get back and it sounds like they're still doing something. If they are actually meeting, it may be on the the the books to meet, but maybe they don't. If they don't, then that's even more worrisome. But if they are meeting, then

let's say district leadership would like to make a trip to Lake to meet in person and discuss the progress of the validation study. Let's make that happen ASAP. Not tomorrow, but I think that that we need to yeah respond in a positive right there. And then this is just a breakdown over here. the opposite side seems like a paragraph at the top of page two kind of what you inferred do you think as noted in the previous update if project is awarded new start

move into the construction phase cost share will be addressed at 65% so manifest will that's the wrong direction wrong direction I'd love for it to go to 85 if we could really Yeah. Yeah. Fernando to invite to the meeting to come visit. Uh then we have um I think we covered both of those topics. Yeah, I do see Nah wants to speak.

Oh, hi. Um I just um have a question maybe was it Brad from the core um about this um item number eight are these costs for design what's left of design or it was for the validation study itself and what they were working on which eventually would lead to an updated design. Uh okay. This came from Cameron Sessions, the acting chief programs and project support branch.

Okay. So is this from the beginning to end or um some work has already been done? This is the the balance of what's left to complete the study. So we never got an exact amount of what it would take to complete the study. Correct me if I'm wrong. Uh but they've spent 1.3 approximately. No. 1.6 million total, almost 1.7, which means they did work. They're just not done with the work.

Okay. So, um, excuse my ignorance. So, the validation study basically has to be done to justify the need for the court to get involved. How does that work? I'm not familiar with validation study. Part of the validation study was because the previous study was done so long ago, they needed to renew and make sure that there was still good reason to spend this money through the Army Corps, through the federal government. Again, correct me if I'm wrong. Um, and to basically update the design based on maybe new environmental uh concerns, new environmental perspectives. Uh I'm sure in 2004 we weren't consulting with the tribes in the same way that we're consulting now. Uh so things have changed and they wanted to make sure to update it in the appropriate ways uh before we spent the money. I I will say I'm reminded the reason we put $800,000 to the side is we were always given a number of $3.2 million to finalize the study or finalize the design. And so 1.7 million out of 3.2 2. Maybe they're only halfway through the process if that 3.2 which was from a long time ago and it's probably a lot more now if that 3.2 matched what they were attempting to do in the revalidation study.

Oh, I see. So, let me see if I'm getting this correct. So, some design was done. It's been so long. So, now you have to go back and validate it. validate that work before moving on with the design and the total design cost at the time was over three million estimate.

Yes. And and just yeah just to add to that is I think the last validation study they did one is like it was long back but also from the previous meeting I'm recalling that they also said somewhere that it never reached the finish line like they were like 95% up to that but it didn't made it to their official approval uh kind of thing where they say like now it's done. So that's another reason why this validation study has to be done or or like approved to their like higher ups like where they say now it's a done deal of things. Okay, that's correct. Thank you. Thank you.

That's correct. I wanted to um say something more to help you understand this. The uh validation study is not the same as the design. The design of the project is the 3.2 million. the validation study was to complete what wasn't completed as Pawan said for the facilitation or the feasibility part of the project. So they were working, the validation study primarily was trying to get the National Environmental Policy Act requirements finished so that the Army could publish uh something called the um I'm trying the record of decision and um so there's all this paperwork and so most of that was done in the validation study to get it refreshed and then there's the general design which is the 3 million But in com our conversations with the the Army Corps, there is this confounding of the two. And so we have some of the design done and some of the validation study done, but neither of those is completed. And so one of Michael's jobs as a coordinator is to figure out from the Army Corps where we are on these two very distinct phases of the project. The feasibility phase and the design phase because we have been very good and conscientious in finding funds to contribute to those those two those two efforts. So, um, so I I can make no sense out of the money, but that's not anything unusual for me. But that's the other thing. What what are these money? What does this money matter? What what do these figures relate to? Um, and to to make sure that uh that we're we're on the level with

the army corps and they are very patient and you'll find them helpful, but they are they are spoiled. They're very simple. My my understanding of the validation study, they were looking at it to see if they needed to start over again because I remember we went around and took a vote on whether they would want to start over again, right? Our consensus was they were going to want to start over again, which they do, which is why they call it a validation. Is it a valid is what they designed that long ago still valid under today's conditions, including the fact they didn't include the tribes very much.

I I do have a question for you. Um, and I'm sorry if I mispronounced your name, Nahide. Um, I am wondering if DWR would be in a position to ever provide a letter of support when we're talking to the Army Corps uh to share the importance of a lake which is I think I'm correct a state water uh that we are trying to protect and therefore a letter from you guys to share with the Army Corps to say we really need to continue this project and keep it going and get it done would be really helpful. Um, and it's not a it's not I don't want to put you on the spot with a yes you can, no you can. Uh, but I think that we need to maybe submit to you an official request and then uh go through your process to see if that's a possibility. But I think that would be really helpful uh to have the DWR support in asking the Army Corps for what we need.

Oh, I'm sure we could consider this. Uh, but I'm going to defer to Liz. uh she might have a better picture on that. Liz,

thanks. Niti, um I personally I don't see an issue with it and I believe we have provided letters of support in the past um for various projects, not necessarily Army Corps of Engineers projects specifically, but absolutely send the letter requesting it and we can run it up our chain and um see if we can provide that for you. And so Han, if I may, uh, if we can get Michael, uh, to make a request for that letter so that when we do meet with the Army Corps, there's here's a letter. Let's show you the project, we have the state behind us.

Yeah. What might be an approximate turnaround from request to letter delivery?

Can I add something before um going back to Liz? What would help with that letter if you um give a synopsis a summary of what has happened with the core because I think that would be a further um they they keep asking us question. I've had um central valley flood protection board reach out to us to find out about the core activities on this project and I'm always kind of like not quite sure if I have the right information for them. So that I think Liz, don't you think I think it would be helpful to have a say a summary of activities with the course so far and where you are, where you're hoping to move to next, please?

Yes. Um, as much information as possible. Assume that we are fifth graders and we don't know anything about the project. It's usually the best way to get what you're looking for. Okay. So that's my suggestion and project put down in very simple terms. Okay.

Yes. Um we do so those that'll be um you know making this decision they are familiar with the complexity of an Army Corps project how long these projects typically take but just assume that they have maybe heard of the name Middle Creek project but not any of the background in history especially given that it's such an old project. Um, and as far as turnaround time, I would say a month would be a reasonable amount of time, but I'm guessing it could be a little quicker than that. I don't want to overpromise. Thank you.

All right. I see no hands, no further comments. I'm going to try to speed through a little bit more. Uh, next is PG&E. Not so fast. Let me go back. I I think the key to this and the what the DWR needs is in these is in these numbers. Okay? If you can crack this dollar these dollars, I if you find out what each of these means, I can give you the history of it going back to 2012. Army coal whisper.

Yeah. And I and I and I think having dealt with numbers, it is time to reverse. Okay, this is my limmerick for the Army Corps to wrap up our discussion of it. The Army Corps's role is extensive. Their procedures near incomprehensive. When progress is blotto, remember their motto. We're slow, but we're expensive. The sense of the nation weighs too. No path through the Congress leads through. They don't give explanation. They don't fund restoration. So we'll press without rest till they do. Thank you for your patience.

Where's the guitar? You did the guitar. I didn't expect it. By the way, meet Dr. Lions. If you ever see him do a presentation, just know you will get a song at one point and you will laugh. Have you heard of African song? No. No, I don't believe I have. Okay. So, so go ahead. I'm sorry. And maybe to explain everything, he is from New York. I'm from upstate New York. All right. I said too much. Uh, we're going to move on to PG&E at this moment in time. No updates. Uh, yeah, no updates on that. And I have updated Michael about like what we need to do next. So I think maybe in the next meeting we might have something. Yeah.

Okay. Good luck getting answers from Pug Genie. Uh next legislative. Uh obviously we need to have that conversation with Thompson about the Army Corps. I'll be seeing him at the end of the month when you go to Niko. When I go to NAO and I can bring it up then or we can ask him to be here when Army Corps shows up. That would probably be good. And I need to ask him for a couple things as it is right now. So I'll put a bug in his ear. Okay.

And then also uh just a reminder that when I met with Magguire today, I mentioned this project extensively and that we would need help with it and uh he's willing to talk more about it and I'm pretty sure he's got his, you know, he's obviously represented us, but uh I don't think he's been so involved with this situation as much yet. No, because the state's been good to us. Who settles us right now? Right. So, I just reminded him that when he steps into this role, we're really going to need some help with that. So, yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Um, any questions, comments? All right, moving on. Project funding.

So, I think these are the updated numbers. I I don't think there is much much uh change yet. Um, until we have the the hooker property one, there might be some changes to that. But in this you can see like the want to bring the focus to the acquisition cost which we mainly use for uh property purchases. So if you can see like the total amount we have in the equation was 8.9 and out of that 6.7 has been used and the the property we are uh talking about right now is 650,000. So it comes to like 7.4 4 uh being utilized and then we are left with about 1.5 million after that and the four and the three remaining properties we have is definitely more than 1.5 like it's about 2.5 or so

but in the contingency we have 1.1. So if we move that thing to property equation especially because now this round of funding is coming towards an end. So we should be able to cover all the purchases we have or has been approved by the board as just compensation be covered by this grant. But we will come to know more once we have an approval from the property owner because there is relocation and other things as well. Um but yes I think so that's the status in there. Um, and yeah,

so I appreciate the whole efficiency and do everything all at once, but there's an awful lot of money in groundwork right now and we're not we don't have enough do we have enough time to use that money up if we wait until the very end to do anything with homes. uh I think um groundwork at least for maintenance like this funds get transferred to our accounts and then we can I don't want to give anything back. So yeah so I think I'm I'm what I'm getting at is like even if the grant gets over the we will have those maintenance dollars.

Okay. So I'm not sure about the groundwork thing but but definitely so that's another thing right we want to if we are not able to utilize it we should request that to move to the property equation because that's where we would be able to use it and then in the next round of funding we get is like we can add little bit more towards the ground work just to cover um on on this one as well. Yep. I agree we don't want to give any money back. Uh we want to use as much of that money as possible on acquisition um so that we can drop that 21 down to as close to zero as possible before we have our ne next ask

because my understanding is with the new flood zone there's property with homes on it that we can't purchase with this money. Correct. I think we can. I misunderstood you at the beginning. No, I think we can. We just won't be doing partial acquisitions anymore. and any property that has people living there, we also have to deal with the relocation, which just complicates things to a little bit of a larger degree, but it's not it's what we've been doing the whole time. So, okay. Um, nothing says we have to do a partial acquisition if the flood zone stops at a specific area. Uh, we were just trying to figure out how to save money because we knew it would get tight. Okay. So,

I understand better. Unless anybody wishes to correct my statements that I just decided were very sounded very confidently correct. I think that's the the where we are with that. And so yeah, we don't want to give any money back. We want to uh uh move money around to basically be able to acquire as much as we can uh but still be able to do the other processes at the same time. And so uh hopefully uh next month we can come back and have an idea of uh what DWR has said to to the team.

Yeah. And and that's one part of it. But the other part is also up to the property owner like if they have to accept assuming that the four which the board has approved like the property owner going to accept the offer then then only we will be able to utilize um at least whatever is remaining here. But if they didn't accept it, there is a possibility that we might have to ask for an extension just because we don't want to lose the one which we have right now. Right. Yeah. And then probably more like setting no and extension because this is obviously not enough. What's the current end date? Yeah.

Uh I think it's uh June 2028 or something like that. That's what I remember. Yeah. purchasing. Well, when we first got it, they said absolutely no extensions. Yeah. Well, you know, it's a motivator, but it doesn't mean it's And then everybody went home. I'm going to pass this on to EJ. I apologize. Um, I have a meeting put together for me at 12

and we're up to Calr item number 12. And uh so that's one thing too and I know it's going to be on it probably have to be on the next agenda but I I commonly have an conf conflicting meeting every first Monday and I can't convince the other group to change their date and so it it starts at 8:30 but usually ends like at 11. So that's why I'm always like today's like today when we had Senator Magguire there I'm like yeah I don't want to

but I don't like leaving you all at this at this juncture or whatever. I know too there was discussion about maybe having alternate areas to meet at and stuff like that. And I think it's I think it might be something we can look into. So I don't know if on the next agenda maybe we could talk about another time that might work and then other places that we can rotate to. I am very flexible on Monday mornings. Uh that is not when I have the majority of my meetings. That would be mostly Wednesdays and Thursdays. Yeah, Mondays are good for me. It's just the first one is this I was going to maybe look at a different Monday. flexible. Okay, Mary Joe, you have my email address. I will not

ignore that email. Please email me. I hope you have a good discussion about the extra item that we added. Okay. Uh but I'm happy to help in any way, shape, or form. Thank you. Sorry, I have to leave. Okay. Thank you. Very good to meet you. Well, look forward to uh further engagement. Calrians. Cal, any updates on Cal Trains? Uh yeah, no update from overite. Um,

yeah, I haven't had anything either. Anybody on Zoom have any questions about this item? All right. Uh, next we will move on to public expression. Uh, anybody that wants to speak about this for three minutes um on Zoom? No, we're going to discuss Yeah. I asked for an added item. Oh, okay. last time last meeting that's what Bruno was apologizing because I'd emailed him out and he forgotten to Okay, I I will go back and then we'll bring up we'll go with Is that non-timed items though?

No, he said between I wrote it I said between 12 and 13. Okay, we'll go ahead and do the board of supervisors and let you

Well, Bruno, at the last meeting we had, Bruno said that there be an annual update to the board and he volunteered Harry and me to do it and Harry volunteered me to do it. So, which I'm perfectly comfortable and happy to do, but but now that we have Michael here, I can work with Michael on data. I just said something about maybe um we're once Michael gets settled in before our next meeting which is two two months from now that maybe he could come back with sort of a framework for what we need for the presentation to the board of supervisors. So, it's looking like it's going to be late spring or summer for that, which is f. I just what I emailed Bruno and said,

"Okay, I need data." And when did you when this is supposed to take place? So, I don't know. That's my question. I don't know if there's a set time of year that the board expects. There's not I don't think there's any set time of year. It's just unless we make it by I don't I want everything to be complete and correct talk to them. No, I think and and considering we we now have a project, you know, director, we we have someone that can work and and again, I don't I've never had any uh feedback or any type of press to have one of these, you know, we've usually been the ones either on a committee or before Harry and and Peter would just, you know, ask part of those.

Yeah. And you were probably part of those, too. And so that those would come annually, but they would, you know, navigate in between. So, It's just a matter of us pushing it out there. This nebulous thing I need to do. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Well, and so let me know like at I guess by the next meeting what projection we might have. You said this might be June or May or June. I'm assuming if we have our next meeting in April and then you go. Yeah. And then maybe we can do it in between April and or uh June or you thinking? Yeah, I think we can either or I mean we could push back and meet me, but just getting a good time frame like yeah getting in the area where might be

I have been keeping track my and that's why I asked for the APN because I spreadsheets and and you can reach out meanwhile as well because I think the next meeting is two months away like if you need more information in between we can defin middle of August of 2025 So, I need to things are now moving again. So, I don't want to Yeah. get the update. Okay. Sounds great. All right. Moving it. Anything on Zoom? You're after this. See a hand up. I can't tell who that is. All right. Brad Hayes.

Brad, did you have something you wanted to add to this? Yeah. Are are we at public expression? because I kind of missed my maintenance. Yeah. Let me let me close this. Let me close the the BOS and now move on to public expression and you can go ahead and start. Okay, perfect. You guys can hear me? Yes.

Okay. Um I had a couple quick questions. Um I know there's money and all that for for maintenance, but do you guys have a maintenance crew? Um or would you contract the maintenance out or do you work with like the county road departments? I'm talking about things as simple as mowing existing roads so that I can access because quite frankly right now time is of the essence and I cannot get to sources that I need to check for mosquito larvy and it's going to become a public health issue and I mean I just don't know who to who to contact who who who's going to actually bring the tractor and mow and there's some things that I've filled in. I mean, I need like a a backo type thing to to clear existing, you know, ditches from when there was wild rice farm there that have now filled in and, you know, water's backing up. Um, a lot of people don't realize that mosquitoes, you know, it's not just in the spring and summer when they come out and start biting you. Our biggest portion of our workload is this time of year because the larve are already, you know, they're they're doing their thing. So I just wondering is there something in place like that? Do you guys have a crew or how does that work? So um yeah we don't have like a dedicated crew just for that but like we do have staff who can take care of that and I think you should have received a email from us like if you check your email um asking like more information or setting up a plan together and and I'm aware of it because this has been brought up before um and we can definitely help with moving or providing an access up there.

Excellent. Yes. And I emailed back to that also. So, okay. So, we will follow up on that and make sure like uh whatever you need like we can provide that. Okay. Excellent. Yep. And then I'm I'm done. Thank you. Thank you all very much. I appreciate it. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Any other public comment?

We got next meeting non-timed items. The next meeting scheduled for April 6th at 10:30 in person at the Lake County Courthouse, room C right here again. We'll do the teams. It's teams, right? That's what we're doing. Yeah, we're doing teams. And so we'll see you on that. Uh if there's nothing else, we'll go ahead and adjourn the meeting. Thank you again for tuning in. Thank you everybody for your work on this. And hopefully we'll have some progression at the next meeting. Thank you.