Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

Please those of you that are here. Okay. Call the meeting to order. I'll rise to the silver. So with the goats. Amen. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Okay. All right. Embrace us for the roll calls. Commission Chair Kerr here. Commission Vice Chair Bel here. Commissioner Miola

here. Commissioner Rogers here. Commissioner Adamson here. And then Commissioner Newman is excused. Okay. Okay. Well, first up, citizen input on non-aggenda items. I see absolutely nobody in the audience attending. No, since no input. So, we'll move along to the approval of the June 16th meeting minutes. Anybody have a chance to read it? Any objections, corrections, updates, changes? I I read it as it's it's fairly true and accurate representation of the meeting. Fairly true. Fairly fairly implies kind of sort of off, but

well, it doesn't have all the words. It doesn't have all those. Oh, well, I think it has a synopsis. Sure. We couldn't put an hour and a half worth of meeting in words. I mean, you're going down a stack. I I can be a little verbose at times. Recorder did perfectly well. Do do I have a motion? Move that we approve the minutes ended. Yeah. Okay. Nicole, you'll call. All right. Commission Chair Kerr. I. Commission Vice Chair Balding. I. Commissioner Miola. I Commissioner Rogers. I Commissioner Adamson. All right.

Okay. We minutes approved. It looks like on tonight's agenda, we have a work session uh LA for Lafayette 202501 food trucks and carts. And I assume everybody's had a chance to read your summary packet. Then since this is a work session, it'll basically be us discussing this. Uh my looks like the gist of it is we don't have anything in our development code with regard to this creature animal. So we want to lay the foundation or the groundwork to have food carts, trucks with it. Um, Jim, you prepared a staff report?

Yes, I did. I apologize that it's only one page. Hey, that's that's why you farm it out to somebody to do with it. Well, this was my first AI attempt and I thought it came out pretty good. Okay, just kidding. Okay.

So, uh there is a there are two attachments. One is this listing of 11 cities that have food cart programs or mobile food units, I guess, is what the Oregon Health Authority calls them. And so, that's the term in the Oregon administrative rule. Consequently, they'll probably call this mobile food unit as a permitted use rather than food truck or food cart or food whatever. Anyway, so this has a summary general approach definition and details for 11 cities mainly in the Mid Valley area. And then there's this item, the second attachment, and it's eight pages from the Oregon Health Authority. And I didn't put it in for you to, you know, start looking at every line and every detail, but mainly I included it to show you what a food a mobile food operator needs to do and go through to start operating. And so basically there are these Oregon Health Authority regulations and these are this is just a checklist kind of a thing not even the actual regulations but uh it's something for the operator to be able to go through and check make sure they've done everything or they have everything. And for the health items, they would get a whatever review and approval from the Yam Hill County Health Office. And then from the city, they would get what would be like a temporary use permit or some kind of a permit to operate wherever on whichever property

they're they have a contract with or an agreement with the property owner. and we would review what they're going to do in terms of our zoning regulations. So despite how much is in this eightpage item, it doesn't have anything about local zoning other than maybe just a box to check that make sure you comply with the local zoning regulations. It it it read I read through it or scanned through it just reads like hey depending upon

here's what the state requirements are. You got four levels that you can apply to. Each of them has their own increasingly stringent requirements. So hey this satisfies call it call it the OA works at satisfying state requirements for the mobile feed unit. After that, it goes to the local and that's where we come into play tonight.

So anyway, uh like I say, I'm not going to go through the eight pages of OA stuff, but the the purpose was just to let you see what a mobile food unit operator has to be aware of and go through. and uh kind of convinces me that later in my retirement I don't think I want to be a mobile food operator. So okay what what precipitated the now that we're studying it is there have been movement among operators to come into Lafayette and if so how many?

Yeah. Yeah. The city has received a couple of inquiries in the last year or two about locating a MFU in the city. Okay. and our LCDO does not address MFUs and they are not listed as a use in any zoning district. So all Brandon can say to people is well uh you're not permitted anywhere and if we were to try to figure out some way to let you operate then it would be a odd unofficial sort of thing. Uh, the code does have a section called temporary uses,

and you'd think it would have several temporary uses listed like Christmas tree sales or uh firework sale, something like that that's, you know, going to be in the city temporarily, and then they go away and come back the next year. But, uh, it turns out that section is only about this long and it's about allowing on a temporary basis someone to come and drive their RV onto a property and stay there for up to two weeks or some short period to help take care of someone who is in the house that needs taking care of. Maybe it's not two weeks, it might be two months or something. But anyway,

short time, limited time.

Yeah. Typically, that's not called a temporary use. It's like a a hardship situation where due to this hardship being experienced by the person that lives there. if they could just have someone, a friend, relative, whatever, come and stay and then be there to do the usual caregiver things rather than hiring a person or a company that would have people come to the house. So anyway, uh background uh on the first well the one and only page the middle sentence there in the background section says among the 11 cities the attached matrix shows the standards range from a few standards to many standards. The size of the many cities supports only one. No, the size of many cities supports only one to three units in a city. And then there's also attached is the Matthew review packet. So if you're a real small city like uh I don't know St. Paul that's got 450 people or used to have now they've only got 420. They might support one unit and if someone said no I want to on my property I'll sign contracts with six units to come in and be there then those five of those six would probably not stay very long and they'd go somewhere else. So, a city of 474,800 that does not have a lot of other restaurants in town.

I don't know how many food carts might be supported by the population here, but uh depending on what they are, you know, the the whatever type of food uh that's one thing that we kind of need to have in mind here because one of the issues will be how many food carts will the city allow on a given property? And so one, yeah, sure. give them a chance and if they can feed 4,700 people they'll be millionaires and gone in a year

or if you have two or three then I don't know if they would be able to make it but certainly it depends on the type of food and how many hours of day and how many days a week they're open. So those are just some of the basic things to think about. Other basic things are the property where they're going to locate. They need to have the owner's approval and that would be part of the application material that they turn in. Uh and an issue would be what's there on the property. Now, if it's just a dirt lot, well, that's probably not going to work well whenever there's rain. And even if it's a shower in the summer, you don't want a dirt lot. You want something that's paved, some kind of surface. And if you're a customer, you don't want to get out of your car, walk over to the truck, and have to put on galashes or rubber boots or something. And so, usually the surfaces are required to be paved. So, uh that is one of the issues that can cause a lot of vacant properties in a commercial zone to not be eligible. But uh there's also some particularly here uh prior used car lots that were paved and during CO the car lots went away and because they were in a C1 zone they were nonconforming and because they went away for more than 12 months they cannot come back and reintroduce the use that isn't permitted in that zone. So, there could easily be a couple places that have pavement and nothing there or pavement

and some kind of a little office like so many used car lots have. And that could be a location for the owner today to rent space to whatever number of units. Uh, another thing is the time limit. But if it's a if it is a successful unit or two or three, then you really don't want them to go away. And uh on the other hand, they may say, well, yeah, we're going to go away in November, December, and January, but we'll be back. And so if you say, "Okay, we'll tie our time limit to that situation." Sure enough, somebody's going to say, "Well, I'm going to stay till the end of November, you know, through the holiday near the Thanksgiving holiday." Oh, okay. Well, if your time limit doesn't allow that, then it's a time limit problem. How do you know what the right time limit is? So, and then some units if they stay all year, then they're there all year. So, you wouldn't want a time limit. And if you have hours, how many hours a day? Do you want it to open up at 6 or 7 or 8? Do you want it to stay open till 8 or 9 or 10 or 11 or whatever? Then that's another issue to have in mind to think about. Uh some detailed things that can negatively affect abuing properties are some of these units. Well, if I understand it, all of the units that are made now have to have an onboard generator, but a lot of the older units didn't have the onboard generator, but they had a generator that they unloaded and put

outside and started it up and plugged everything in and that's what they did. And so the generator would be making noise all the time they were operating. And depending on who's owning property next to or it's in the evening and it's quiet, then even a generator that doesn't make a lot of noise can be heard around in a neighborhood. And I'm not thinking of a neighborhood, you know, where it's all housing because presumably another thing that you would decide is to allow units only in the C1 and C2 districts. Another district that allows some commercial uses is RC. It's the dark brown. And so that would be possibly another zone to allow units in. But the dark brown RC zone allows residences as a permitted outright use as well as some commercial uses as permitted outright. So if you allow food units in the zone, then they could be on a property that has some sort of business and it's a paved parking lot and the unit goes in and their generator is running and right next door is a single family dwelling. So a lot of things to think about. Um another is access. Hopefully the property would have a regular real access off of a street and because it's third going through town and that's where all the C1 and even the C2 property has an access on the third then hopefully whatever driveway or curb cut that's there is sufficient to have a

bunch of cars driving in and out every day and not creating a problem. not stringing gravel on the third street, not stringing mud or anything in the wet season. So, uh I guess just those are some of the things that I wrote down real quick that are the basics. Um and so again, you don't need to worry about the unit itself. It's regulated at the state level and inspected at the county level. So with that, the staff recommendation is staff recommends the commissioners review the matrix, recollect their personal experience at MFUs. I assume all of you have eaten at a food unit and discuss the standards that would be appropriate for Lafayette. And the discussion would provide direction to staff to return on October 16 with proposed language to amend the Lafayette zoning and development ordinance to allow MFUs depending uh and it's when I wrote this I was thinking hoping that I could for this 35day notice that goes to DLCD whenever you're going to amend your comp plan or you're implementing regulations. Uh because this is the 18th and the 16th is even a couple days sooner in October than the 18th is in September. The 35th day comes up pretty quick. So, it's going to definitely be before your meeting in October. And so I could put

in a bunch of standards knowing that the system understands whatever is entered in on the 35th day isn't necessarily what's going to be reviewed by the planning commission because things can change during this process. And after the commission meets, your recommendation to the council could say, "Yep, the things that we saw in the staff report to us, we changed three of them. We deleted two. We added two new brand new ones and so soil you're thinking of creating kind of a call it call it a verose boilerplate pick and choose that we will then be able to say okay we're make these

tweets what I would submit would at least get us in for the 35day notice period and uh because there's no goal that directly addresses food cards then uh there's probably nobody in the state that's going to care really what we do. We probably will have, like is often the case, no one testify at your public hearing. Although if the word gets out or when the word gets out, some local food truck person might want to come and say, "Yep, you know, do this, do that, don't do this, don't do that." So that frankly would be a good idea. And uh I don't know how often Brandon gets people calling up asking about food carts, but we had two or three in a couple of year period. Maybe it was only 18 months. So uh while we're in our process, if somebody contacts him, he can say, "Oh, well great. You can talk to the planning commission on October 16 or to the city council on whatever the second Thursday they meet on Thursday.

Yeah, the second Thursday in November is but uh it's anyway. Okay. Uh, since we want to start to pre the boiler plate, I had a few notes that I jotted down after I read through this because I did read through the 11 examples. They were interesting. Like I stated at the beginning of the meeting, it sounds all we're trying to do is create language that creates the framework for MFUs to be in Lafayette. If I go by some of the examples that were pres presented, it looks like we have two possible situations. One where you have I'll call it standalone whether it's a trailer or self-propelled. It's a single entity comes in plops itself and that's where it operates. Then you have the other entity that's a pod small area prepared to hold some number of food carts. It could be, let's just say it could be anywhere from two to 10 depending upon size, but it's but it's specifically meant to hold a couple and serve within a concentrated area. I know if you go in on 99 in McMinnville, it looks like there's a place uh used to be an auto repair facility. I think it was Dave's auto repair. That location is being prepped and is going to be set up to have food carts. Uh if you ever go into Salem on 221 out of Dayton uh turns into Wallace Road. Just as you get into Salem a little ways, you will find on your right side you find go through a brief residential area. Then you hit some apartments and right there large structure retail, but there are probably 10 food carts all lined up. So that would be representing

the hop. And this is this is a new one that just popped up in in Beaverton. Okay. Pass it around. It's a lane. So and it's got the pods. they have that more permanent seating, you know, like now you know it's there. It's it's meant from what I was reading here, the pods are meant to be a more permanent type of basis, whereas really like that is, you know, where you know, periodically and you might have two or three that come in um they're there for 30 days, 45 days, then you might have, you know, they'll move on to another place. We'll have another one covered. So sense

my thing. So note in the staff report the paragraph that says an associated use of land MFU pods is not included in the amendment. Yeah. So we're not talking about pods here. We're talking about Yeah. Officially we're not talking about pods, but pods popped up. So I thought I not get derailed about Well, but couldn't but couldn't we include language on pods? Well, be prepared. to be prepared for. I'm thinking of being prepared for the future. If you want to double the effort and the time involved because a pod is like a permanent development that would go through site development review.

It has public water, public sewer, underground power, storm drainage. Okay. Then it has all of that stuff and you'd have to have standards for all of that. Not that we can't copy somebody else's. This this one in Beaverton was a was a a huge car site and and they they preserved the building that the uh that was the the office space and that could be considered a pod though.

It's a pod. It's got it's got 18. It's got 18 food trucks. So you think if if any of the towns that are similar to us and even Newberg McMinnville is the one going in McMminville a pod or is that a food truck space? It looks like based on what we were describing it looks like a pod because I did read an article on it. The old the business that was the repair business used to be an old gas station.

It's being preserved and will be used for inside seating etc. And then where the outside was, you've got the awning for the gas pumps where they used to be years ago because they were moved. But the area around there is being set up, there is a cut going in the driveway. And that's where so it could I don't know how many will support. I think at least four, but it's set up so that those vehicles can be trucks can be stationed in there. And I think it's got as many as six. Yeah, it's some but there's some Yeah, there's some number there plus the old structure and they preserved the old structure. They kept some of the signage and details to preserve the history.

So So you're what what I think we need to think about is that these are cities that are 25 30 100,000 people. Um are any of the smaller cities I don't think they're looked at the pot. So you know maybe we grow large enough for that later but I think right now just concentrate on No, I I wanted to throw the idea out there. Okay. We'll cause it'll be a good kind of a test so that if we get one that comes in and they stay, then maybe it's depending on if you allow say two or three on one property,

then if one's there and doing great, then another one comes and then potentially a third one comes. And if they're all there still doing great, then that might be an indication that we should kind of be thinking about amending the code to allow a pod. Okay. And who knows, that site might be the pod, but it could be somewhere else because so the a developer of a pod is like is a real developer and some specialize in that.

Yeah. And you know they'll do a pod in Happy Valley and then they'll do a pod you know 30 miles away in but Minville or some place. I the only concern part that I've got is is is McMenville basically they they they don't have any rules and they're and they're and they're facing it now and and they've got they got quite a mixture of of standalones that are all over the place.

So for so for standalone I I just jotted a few notes down here. So I'll throw them out there. they can be part of the consideration mix. Uh my thought one was thought was trailer because some of the examples say trailers are okay. Some of them say self-propelled are okay. Others say self-propelled are not okay. I think for us I would say trailer or self-propelled should be okay. Maybe we want to address some kind of maximum sizing of the vehicle that comes in. you know, whether it's a 16 foot truck or a 19T truck or something like something like that. The question there is, what makes most sense for a for a food cart operator, whether it's a trailer or a truck, what makes the most sense? Is 16 foot appropriate? Is 19 foot? Is 21? somewhere in there there's going to be something that's shall we say common on the market that people use to convert to these MFUs uh my sewer water electrical they're all supposed to be self-contained to some extent is driven by OA but that doesn't mean that again depending upon component of the property and what agreements or whatever is reached that something like that could not be or might not be made available able. So in some way maybe we want to address that if it's available here was what the requirements would be. Uh with regard to the issue of shall we say a permit to operate, my thought was again given that it's a food cart, it's mobile and they might only want to run for a six-month term, say the summer, they might want to come in at various limited intervals during year long, a

week, a month at a time. Maybe it's something where you have a permit that's issued. It's good for a six-month term. and it is can be automatically requested with nothing more than a request so that it's issued. It's good for six months. If it expires, you'll be asked to vacate. But if you're interested in or if you don't ask to it and you decide to vacate, that's fine. But if you decide you want to stay for all year long end of that six months, you simply make a written request to the city. it'll be automatically renewed.

So with that, and this is thinking ahead again, okay, you got two or three or whatever it might be and you get to that point, you know, the the permit six months, whatever is expired, what if you have a waiting list of people that would like to come in, does that person do they automatically lose that spot or No, no, no, no, no. They would they would they would simply make the request by permit. We would have to figure out What locations? Okay, based upon what we've got right now in Lafayette, how many food carts in various places could be cited in Lafayette?

Maybe we have a situation where okay, and I'll just make numbers up going down your path. Let's say we determine that we can support eight food carts within the city based upon location. Not demand, but location. So you have eight permits. Those permits could be issued. It would be good for six months. The person that's cited there would get preferential. They simply request to extend it. They can if they turn and they let's say they decide they're going to vacate, then they turn that permit back into the city. And we might have to again, let's assume the demand is there. We might have to say, okay, they they turn that back into the city. They would they would know when they turn it back in that if the demand is there, it would be based upon we could either make it first come first- serve waiting list or we could make it based upon okay when when that permit is available. We're going to make it by raffle drawing. Throw all the names of every entity that's interested in occupying that one spot into a hat. Okay, somebody pick out a name. That's the person that will get that prevent for that site. Something like not a perfectly fair but at least a degree of hey

everybody might have a chance. Everybody is going to have some degree of chance opportunity. Only person that would have the benefit would be the person that's already there assuming they want to stay and continue on. Yes. Well, there's another thing you can look at is why is the city determining who gets to get in the pool? Why not the land the land owner be able to do that? It's their their property for the most part. It's their business. The city could just then regulate the permits. Let the if the person that owns the land wants one food truck there forever. I don't think we should leave that out of the discussion. Okay, I can see that. They should be able to write the lease to the property.

They they would be the one to write the lease. Okay, I can see that. Subject to a subject to us issuing permits. subject. I city would have no reason to have a city employee. I mean, there's when you look at the size of the city and the number of employees at city hall, you're way under staffed. Every small city um my other cities is 1300 people and they have three people at city hall. So some permitting hospital the city did take into account landlord and the leaseold.

So so we had so we've had inquiries into food trucks coming in. Have we had land owner land owners contact the city on availability of their property for putting a food truck? Yes. I believe there's been one so far. I said we have the land owner and owner and operator.

The way the private sector works is sometimes say inefficient because in some cases a food op food truck operator would call the city not having a clue if any property in town is available. And then on the other hand, you might have a property owner call up and say, you know, what's the deal with food trucks? Can I do that on my property? Yes, you can. And then they say, "Well, how in the heck do I get hold of a food truck?" Yeah. Yeah.

And if I get one, is this going to be a good one or is the food going to make everybody sick and all that kind of stuff? So, we this the city will let the private sector do its thing as best as it can. We'll just set the regulations that never our regulations facilitate. Yeah. for a single food truck type of a of a situation. I think they've got their act together. Or which one? Kaid. Yeah.

Yeah. Kaiser. They've got one place uh that uh there's a business a coffee kiosk another business building and on the back side of the property and it's all paved parking on the back side of the property there's four units that have been there for I don't know half a dozen years. So maybe sounds like what you're getting at uh Scott is that Kaiser might serve as maybe not exactly what we do but gets gets clo gives us a much closer starting point to go from

of of all of the ones that that Jim you and your team put together a really good listing and description here is very helpful. But of all of them, I I find the information on Kaiser to to probably be the the basis that be worthwhile to pursue if we get their regulations and review those.

My other thought was like Jim was mentioning zoning. I would agree. I would I would think that in C1, C2 or RC, I would consider that where it should be an, you know, an outright use. I I think what what Jim pointed out about the RC's zone, I think it would be okay with caveat that they wouldn't have a remote generator contained. Yeah. Either hooked to a power source. Well, it's more than that. If you're going to have a food truck right next to a single family dwelling and they're out in their backyard in the summertime and they're having to smell the food,

um, you know, it's one of those things where I think you should be careful so that people at their residence can have quiet enjoyment of their residence and not be negatively affected by a use that the city has never allowed. and all of a sudden it's coming into town and as someone would say stinking up my neighborhood and even though the neighbor across the street might say well I don't know it's a Hawaiian kind of thing I like the smell of pineapple

and my and my counterpoint to my counterpoint to that would be yes you are it's a it's a mixeduse residential commercial but key point is yes you moved into the residential part of But because it's RC, it can be developed into a business. And I would say we as a city should be looking to both help our residential occupants, but also our business occupants simultaneous. And I would say if somebody lives in RC zone, they need they they are forewarned just by being in a commercial zone that at some future point they might have a business locate next to them that does something that's a little less than residential. It's like someone who lives in the city and moves out to the country and starts complaining about farmers kicking up dust. It's like, "No, you moved into the country. Too bad, so sad. Take your lumps."

Run into somebody like, you know, so I would that because they units have not been allowed in the city. Well, just because they haven't allow them, yes, you are potentially creating a problem. And if they're in the commercial zones C1 and C2, then that is a better safe place for them to be.

Okay. then for the city to say, "Oh, yeah. On both sides, you can go into RC and then create problems for the resident, create problems for the new business, and it just it's a losing. It's a loser to put a business that can negatively affect a resident." I would do you should say go to it res

I would again I would I would I would say that while you are absolutely right it could ruffle feathers from the residential standpoint because it's it is there from a commercial standpoint and zoned part commercial use for that very purpose to sit down and say oh we're going to go only I don't believe in safety I don't believe in going the same path in this particular case. So from my perspective, I would say outright allowed use. Even though it's a change for RC, there could be other changes that have come along in the future. I would say C1, C2, RC outright use. I would even go down the path and I don't know that it could ever exist. But I could even sit down and say, okay, even in a residential zone, you take a residential zone where you have a couple of hundred houses parked in and somewhere within that there is a vacant lot that maybe has the owner hasn't developed and he wants to put in and he is interested in putting in we'll call it a residential beastro. I think you would I think you would have problems with them.

No, I I'm not saying I'm not saying I'm saying that we might have problems today, but I'm thinking for me, would I rather depending upon where I live and what I'm doing, would I rather walk a mile and a half to go grab a coffee cup of coffee? It's a nice sunny day like today. No big deal. If it's pouring down rain, maybe not. But if that place is three blocks away and around the corner and I can go pick up a mocha or something like that, you're talking about clearly

subjectively. I'm talking subjectively. Yeah, but also think about what if that coffee place was right next door to your house and you're sitting in your house and 15 people are coming by to get coffee. Cars are coming up by your driveway. Yeah. Yeah, I I think I think if we if we did open it into the residential commercial zone, I I I believe we it would be prudent to at least allow the opportunity to query the people around that that site. This way you're open, ask for their input, ask for their agreement or approval. Are restaurants allowed in RC?

We have a restaurant in RC. You got the the red tail, right? Red tail espresso. Is it an RC zone? Yeah, it's right here down in first right across the road. Just before the road. Uh, was it allowed though? I mean, yeah, it could have been what do you call grandfather permitted a noning the RC zone was created and you'll notice where it is. It's the dark brown with not a lot of it.

Mhm. And it was an effort to zone properties that had houses, put them in as well, let me back up as part of the uh I don't know what 30 35 years ago, I'm not sure what the zoning was along third, but given the number of houses that are even still there on third,

I'm thinking it was some kind of a residential zone. And then at some point the city said, "Yeah, we've got a few businesses in this kind of central part. Let's create a C1 zone that's like a central business district that emphasize that it's going that's our future downtown, so to speak." And so the houses that were in the C1 and C2, there was hardly any C2. So the houses that were in the C1, they were made to be nonconforming because C1 and C2 do not do not allow single family dwellings. But for those that houses that are a block away on second, south of second and then the dark brown that's running out to the east side. I mean, that used to be almost out of town because you had to go over that Martin Creek topography dip. And so it was easy for the city to say, "Well, let's put some RC out there." And that way if property owners want to put a business out there, they can. Or for those people who are already out there in houses, they will be in a zone that allows housing. They won't be nonconforming. So down by Commons Park, those dark brown blocks that go what three, four blocks over to Madison Street, all of those houses are in an RC zone that allows them as a permitted outright use and that protects them. They don't have to worry about some business coming in right next to them. Uh you get a lot of that kind of zoning in small cities, particularly here in the valley, because the local small city government wants to have a downtown, wants to, you know,

support business and usually there's one or two or three or four older businesses or buildings. Yeah, let's remodel those. They're cute. People would love to go in there to eat dinner if it was a restaurant. We've got that. Um there's no restaurant in the building now. Right there at the corner of Jefferson and Third used to be Hammonds.

Yeah. What whatever the names used to be. But um for the people that are living in a house on Third Street or 97 or pardon me 99 going through Amity and any of the other cities that 99 West goes through or 99E or 18 or any of the main highways, there's a lot of single family dwellings that are there and it's like, oh my gosh, the city zoned this whole strip commercial. Oh my god. Am I going to have to have a Dollar General move in on the property next to me? Well, okay. Yeah, you are because you're in C1 and you have no protection. You yourself are non-conforming use. And so Sydney said, "Well, yeah, we're going to stand firm on the C1 on the main drag through town. We've got to have something that is a commercial zone and then a block away or two blocks, whatever. would fit the community. We'll have this mixed residential commercial zone and generally they don't work very well because those that are south of second because the demand particularly in these last few years has been for residential and not yet for commercial in a city of 4800 people now. Anyway, uh all those blocks have not all but there's a few new houses and those houses aren't likely to go away for another hundred years. And so whatever the city has zoned in C1 and two, that's probably all the commercial zone land you're going to have for a long time. Unless somebody that's in the RC zone

comes to the city and says, "I own a whole block. I want to be C1 or C2. Then the city could reszone it and provide more land for more new commercial uses. But as long as the demand right now is for housing, property owners are going to say, "Yeah, okay. I'm selling and whoever buys it, yep, they're going to build a house and that house will be there for a long time with no possibility of the city expanding its commercial area in that direction.

I like what you said, J, about they're trying to make the commercial district, the downtown more compact. you have people walking around seeing other businesses that you're eating your schwarma and you walk by a coffee place the coffee you go oh there's a jewelry spot that does make sense why you you think C1 and two would make the most sense um another thing you look at in the RC is if you're going to be having a food trucks available um there's already a traffic issue on 99 specifically and some other streets. Will that cause a bigger backup than there there should be? Now, there I I kind of go along with not allowing an RC.

That's what I'm saying. No, we're actually here. Yeah. Yeah. Not so much. But if you allow it down there, you have to allow it over there. You can't pick and choose your RC. Oh, no. That's true. But they might not might not want to locate. They might not want to locate out there just because 90's there's a turn to that Dollar General. You're not backing up 99. There's there's commercial property along here, right? Along 99W there, right, Dart Brown strip from basically Martin Creek east to the city limits.

And I've never seen a backup entering in one of those businesses because the Dollar General has the turnoff. I think that was designed for the the park right above it. But right, they they that's where their driveway is is off that side street, not off 99. While the other RC's on 99 there, their driveway would be off of Highway 99. So somebody can af turn going towards Portland into one of those that could back up for a while. Yeah. Well, luckily there's a middle turn lane there all the way through. I think it's a middle turn lane. We're going to go into Pioneer Village Mobile Home Park.

That's just that one turn, I think. Right. But the middle lane extends back to Martin Creek that Martin Creek to a two-lane going there's a bridge that goes over Martin Creek and that's a two-lane road for 99 probably more likely that we're going to be looking if if if they're going to bang in a food truck and do that kind of thing it's probably going to be down along 99W for the traffic better sit down Yeah. Versus where? So you're just thinking the RC zone. I'm thinking

but if we make it if we make an allowable for the RC zone, it's it's not going to be up to us to decide where in the RP. Exactly. Well, and unless we unless there's unless there's a qualifier in there that is subject to the to the agreement and review of the people with an odd repeat of them. Well, and given that we don't know what the market response will be

and given how many places there are on third, then if it's going to if there's a reasonable potential to create conflicting uses right next to one another by allowing food trucks in the RC zone, why do that? Another thing is there's a lot of empty businesses in the commercial districts. If you want to boost that up, if you focus all your food trucks in that commercial, you want to see two. That's what I'm thinking that you want that you you want that critical mass where you're going to get

and that doesn't mean later on. I don't believe that means later on you can't include RC later. Mhm. Because this is more of an experiment than anything else. We're not talking. Yeah. Talking about a few food trucks. Oh, wait. To to expand to expand our commercial zone, to expand our commercial district over the the next decade or so, there's going to have to be an evolution of the RC zone from RC to to commercial. Yeah. But if they're not filling up the commercial right now,

it it it is it was before. It's gone vacant now and we we we get traffic fixed along 99W. We could get it back. It's possible. But it's it's a it's a guess at best. But there is no there is no growth of the commercial district. None of our we can't do we have no place to grow commercial except through through resident commercial. But it's that evolves into commercial space and and honestly I the area along uh along Madison

probably has the I have this this area down here on on West there. There's some big homes there. They're not going anywhere. They're not going to go away. And I don't know that there's any vacant land between Dollar General and the big monster house that sits. Yeah. At the corner of Jackson and Third on the east side of Jackson, there's a big old house. And then there's the U Martin Creek topographic feature, for lack of a better term. And then once you're on the east side of Martin Creek, uh, every lot has either a house or a business.

Yeah. And interestingly, the businesses that are there are not big traffic generators and they're not noisy. Yeah. There's the the the women's clinic there. There's a there's a paint shop. Paint shop. Paint Yeah. preschool or something. And they could they could request being converted from RC to to commercial, but it it's it's really to grow a commercial district bigger than than the the two block wide six block long area we've got.

But is a food truck the way you want or the city wants to grow? And and I'm only positing it as a as as a possibility of the state, but a growth step to go from a residential RC in a in an acceptable zone where where people accept that food truck in their neighborhood. It see into other kinds of commercial property. Maybe a maybe a restaurant would take its place. It's just a it's just a method and a and a means of of of the the zoning evolution of of the city. It's not an answer. It's just a step. Yes.

And and and or just a potential to have a step. I I think if if the if the qualifications are put there that that you have to get approval to people within 100 ft of that lot. You get you got a couple of people in there that that will you thinking happy with it though 100 to get a permit. Is that what it's to the point though if you allow food trucks in the RC zone then you say okay to kind of protect the residents that are in the RC zone

we will have uh I don't know if you what if you meant what you said but approval of the surrounding property owners

within 100 feet you So that even at that point they're putting those property owners through a process and some are going to say, "Yep, I don't mind it." And others going to say, "I do mind it. I'm right next to it." And then you're pitting neighbor against neighbor for a use that's never been allowed there, but the city would allow it and create these possible situations that nobody's going to be happy with. And particularly the city council or even you folks wouldn't want to have neighbors who used to be friends coming and testifying saying, "Yeah, we used to be good buddies, but now this thing that's proposed in our neighborhood has, you know, created a lot of trouble, strife." So rather than taking that step to allow food trucks in the RC zone now, why don't we wait and see? It may be that food trucks will never catch on into in Lafayette. Or it might be that once the code is changed, the C1 and C2 districts, the property owners there are going to go out and look for food trucks, contact them and say, "Hey, how'd you like to come to Lafayette? There's no food trucks there. You'd be all by yourself." And then four or five property owners would get two or three on each of their properties. And there'd be a total of 10 in town. And they'd all be looking at each other saying, "Where'd all this competition come from? the avenue or the the popularity of the food truck exists and Angry was up up by the rock shop. They ended up making enough money out of that out of that their unit right next to the rock shop. It still sits there.

Mhm. And where is this? Hang the rock shop 99 up almost. Yeah. Not in any city. No. Right next to 11. Yeah. Domain. So the they made enough of money in that off of a that in that rock shop to take over it. Tommy's McMillville. They're doing quite well.

I think what John said about uh just letting it in commercial areas to start to try and reach critical mass makes the most sense to me. Just because we have so much nonused commercial zone right now, it it makes sense to try and focus our efforts. I get you're saying that we want to grow our commercial area, but before we grow our commercial area, we got to fill up what we already have. And you know, I don't know what our commercial occupancy right now is, but I feel like we're not even half using a commercial zoned area or commercial property. Um because there's vacant buildings and houses in them still compared to Bundy and Carlton. Yeah.

Um there's just not hardly any participation here in the Northam Hill County wine country economy. But I feel like, you know, I don't know why that is, but it often comes to whoever the property owners are. If they're not willing to sell, then whoever's coming in as the agent of change to start up something that is related to the wine country economy, then nothing will ever happen. It's the property owners that decide what to do with their property and more importantly when they're going to do something.

With food trucks, though, I mean, I saw in some of these regulations in these other cities, they uh prohibited drive-through food carts, right? And so when you do that, you are forcing people to get out of their car and onto their feet. And that makes them significantly more likely to go to the business next door as well. Um, you know, so I think that it makes a lot of sense to focus on just the commercial zoning for now, try and get some food carts in to generate foot traffic which will hopefully boost the other businesses.

Yeah, I agree. You know, limiting it right down to the commercial zone. um if need be we can expand it later on but it would be a start and uh and they would right you know to get people out of their their cars foot traffic you know they you know it's right off third or right on third whatever it might be um that would be a good start and I I like um was it Kaiser you brought up Kaiser you know it's a simple very straightforward um model uh that we could use uh to to model our city after in regards to that and adjust or tweak it and tweak it if need be.

Kim, could we get a copy of their their regulations, their code? Yeah.

Yeah. I might comment that Nash is kind of a weird place and having lived there for over 40 years and being a land use planner, being in a city with no downtown and just a commercial strip that's three miles long is interesting. I mean, there's just a couple of twotory buildings in that three mile stretch. And anyway, it's interesting to see how the free market enterprise system has made choices about land at various places and what to do with it. And there's certainly a lot of, you know, one story fast food joints, although Sonic couldn't make it there really.

It's going to become a Burger King, I guess. probably because In and Out down the the road.

Well, yeah, In-N-Out's out there by the freeway. Yeah. Anyway, u but Kaiser has some what I think are and I was on the planning commission for nine years about I don't know what 15 years ago and they have some good standards for subdivisions and partitions and infill and commercial standards for you know new commercial buildings and things like that. But when it comes to some of their temporary uses or things like the food carts, they are just bare bones. And I don't know if you know what kind of problems they have. I don't know how the four food court or food carts next to it's Copper Creek is the main retailer that's at that property. And then there's a coffee kiosk. And so I don't know if they move out and dump their waste once a week or what they do with it, but they're there cuz we go to Copper Creek and buy bird food and those food units are always there and it seems to be the same four ones, but I rarely when I'm there anyway, I rarely see anybody buying any food at them. So, it's like, I don't know what's going on, but they're there. And maybe the property owner

lets them be there for 50 bucks a month just to have one more thing on the property to have people coming and going. Um, other than Copper Creek, there's the food or the coffee kiosk and then another building. I don't even know what's in there, but uh it might be that that property owner makes enough from the other uses that are paying lease leases to have those four food trucks there for virtually nothing. So they can they don't have to make, you know, 10,000 a month out of their truck to afford the lease rate.

I think the part of the potting people is I've seen the the ones that come to to [Music] hearth up there to to take care of the the port. I've seen them go go to the kiosks at uh in in Pimento presumably to drain their tanks. Yeah. So anyway, maybe the only way you could do is pump it out.

Yeah. And if you're going to allow one or two or potentially even three, uh, I wouldn't worry about bathrooms. Just make it so that people are coming and getting their food and either going away right away or if they stay there and eat it, they don't dillydally to the point where they're looking for a bathroom before their bladder busts. So, even though Kaiser is a weird downtown, like you're saying, I still like the language they have.

Just be aware it's a barebones thing. And once you get folks in under the current under whatever the regulations are and they stay, then if you adopt new regulations, it'll be tough to make them apply.

I see. and we'll have the basics in terms of, you know, a trash basket and that kind of stuff, but uh you just want to be careful that your barebones regulations don't create problems and you have an operator there that says, "Oh, you got a new regulation that I have to do X. Well, I'm not conforming because I don't have that and you can't make me do it." That's what we can, you know, come up with that that outline that that example or what what we could use and bring it to us and then we can review it

and these questions can come up and we can tweak it just enough that it fits with what we have. Yeah. Yeah. And in a way there's no real rush. Earlier when we were talking about you folks seeing something on October 16 this we're getting into winter here. So yeah, we're coming into winter. the likelihood of a bunch of food trucks wanting to start operating is just with this now we get the these regulations in place and and open up, you know, open our arms to food trucks, you know, as as we're getting through winter, getting into spring, food trucks are ramping up again.

They can see here's another opportunity in Lafayette that, you know, we could come give it a shot. Yeah. Another thing that's going on, and I'm not sure which city council meeting, the um use of rights of way,

outdoor seating for restaurants. Right now, there isn't anything that the city has that allows that. And there's a I guess it's a resolution that's being prepared. I'm not sure when it'll go to the city council, but because city well I guess it's the Oregon constitution or something as well as the city charter uh oh and home role that legal concept. Uh it gives the authority to cities to maintain and control rights of way in the city limits other than things like 99. That's a ODOT facility. But uh there's a restaurant that inquired this summer about having outdoor seating and the city didn't have any system or permit system to allow them to have some tables and chairs in the public ride ofway. And then you've got some things like the ADA standards where if you have stuff out on a sidewalk, you have to have at least four feet to let wheelchairs go through. So here uh some a lot of places it's just the sidewalk. There's no extra paved area. uh where I the building that I work at in Salem on both we're on a corner and on both corners from the wall of the building out to the curb there's like 15 feet of pavement uh concrete and so there's plenty of room for the restaurants on the first floor to have outdoor seating and not impede pedestrians. But here that's unfortunately not quite the same situation. Sometimes it's a

four or five foot sidewalk and that's it. Then there's the curb. So anyway, but uh there's something going to council sometime soon and uh it would be a change to their municipal code, a part of the municipal code that regulates what can happen in rights of ways. And that then is just an over-the-c counter permit kind of a thing. And it wouldn't be in the development code. So it wouldn't come through the planning commission for a public hearing. But that'll be another thing that hopefully will be all squared away so that in January when we get a couple days at 65 degrees and people are overheating, they can have a chair and a table outside rather than inside a restaurant. They're not talking about taking the parking area of a 99.

No, that's I don't think ODOT would That's ODOT.

Go for that. Yeah, 99. Uh, and I don't know what the relationship is between ODOT with a road that runs through the middle of town and the local government, but if it's under the control of the county and I'm not sure that there's any streets in Well, yeah, I guess Abbeby Road or you know, Abbey Road when it's outside, it's a county facility, but once the annexation occurs, it takes in the right ofway and then development occurs, the right of way is approved and the city says, "Yes, county, we will take over responsibility for that section of right of way and you'll still be responsible for the right of way outside the city limits, but uh certainly 99 is an ODOT facility and so they probably don't care about somebody having a twoperson table on a sidewalk on 99W coming through town, but as soon as you get to the curb, you know, the curb to curb width where parking and transportation, the travel lanes are, I'm fairly certain they would not want anything going on out there. And because parking is so short, I don't think the city would want to turn parking spaces right in front of a business into something that's not partial. So, okay. So I guess for our purposes tonight it sounds like let's Jim will gather together information from Kaiser and we'll use Kaiser as our use Kaiser as our the example of Kaiser as our

starting framework of language and methods and then bring that to me reading. Is there anything else on October's agenda that we were going to do? Not to my knowledge. Yeah. Um what's the u the driveway issue? Oh, okay. Yeah,

there's apparently somewhere somewhere an issue with a driveway or two and so parking vehicles on there and stuff. I was reading that. and development code doesn't say a lot about rideways and so the public design standards that control how things are built in a public ride ofway. So they apply to the public right ofway. They don't apply to private property. But when it comes to a driveway apron or some people call it a driveway drop, that's that kind of a angled part with the flared edges. um that leads you up to a sidewalk typically or sometimes it gets you a little bit, you know, and then there's the sidewalk and then there's another like a planting strip before you get to the private property. But whatever it is, the public works design standards set forth engineering standards for what is built in the right way. And so whatever's going on, I don't know which properties or what driveways, but I guess there's some concerns about the code not saying what it could say. And I'm not sure how that ties in with the public works design standards, but there may be something that needs to be amended in the zone code that relates to a driveway width, for example, on private property. Because right now, you have a curb cut with a driveway apron and it's in certain width, a maximum width. And then the driveway on the private property usually just goes straight onto the garage. And typically uh you have a one or two

garage one or two door garage, but there's always a little bit of space beyond the garage door. And often people pave that wide so that when the cars there, they get in and out and they're on pavement. They're not on rocks or mud or grass or whatever. And so, uh, I assume that it might have something to do with the way houses are designed. Usually at one end of the house is the garage and then there's like a five foot setback. And some people want to park an extra car or a trailer boat trailer or a camper type trailer that pops up, one of those things in that five-ft area. And so for people that want to do that, then they want to pave it over to the property line and just have a much wider driveway. But then they come down to this maximum width for the curb cut and the driveway apron. And so they've got to go in and then to use that extra five feet

or they just pop up over the curb. Well, yeah, there's that. And uh then some people say, "Yeah, you know, this grass on the front lawn, why do we have grass? I want to put more parking out there. We got teenagers that there's four cars in the family just parked in front of the house and make it look like a I don't know what and that's that's under our purview is is to look at that. Yeah. Private property is where the zone regulations basically apply but in the public rights of way are where the public works design standards apply. So we have we have that to address in October. I still think we can we can bring

this you know to discuss and make you know any tweaks or whatever to that and uh then go from there. Yeah. Okay. Well, that sounds like uh work session tonight would be concluded and what Jim just alluded to looks like that would be uh new business would be under the October. Jim, is there is there any update on the on the traffic pattern study, the transportation system plan?

Yes. Uh, last I was aware, let's see, this is getting to be the middle of September, probably early August or maybe late July. Brandon got a copy of a draft uh scope of work or the contract or something. Yeah, they said the scope of work, I believe. Yeah, they had the city engineer reviewing it. Mhm.

And so I'm not sure where it is, but they're not, as far as I know, they're not yet to the point of identifying which traffic engineering firm or transportation planning firm will be the one that does the work here. Okay. Thank you. Okay. That in terms of the agenda, I'm not sure if that I guess that would have been old business. That would have been old business, but there's no old business. So just a new business, old business. We were talking about it category or we can call it Sam or Scott, you had your commissioner comments. So

we'll open up for commissioner comments. I'm done.

Um I there is so and this kind of goes back to the last couple of months where we have not had a meeting. Um, and you know, my thoughts and I think Scott and I talked about it just a little bit, but um, if if the city say planner, if Jim does not have anything, should that mean that we just don't meet? Because that might give us an opportunity uh because I what I see is that our meetings are usually driven by uh what Jim has come up with and everything. Maybe a meeting without him gives us an opportunity to talk amongst ourselves, you know, about things we're thinking of with the city as far as planning. You know, it doesn't have to be, you know, any particular agenda, but a chance, you know, kind of a work session of just talking. It would be open. It would be open to

discussion amongst ourselves, an open meeting. Do we're not necessarily not have a predefined agenda. Yeah. We only get 12 meetings a year. So, yes. Yeah. And we we've all committed to those 12 meetings. And it doesn't have to be the full two hours. It can be it be here an hour. And if somebody one of us has thoughts or we've heard feedback from the community or something like that, I I am certainly amable to something like that. That's not that is not a bad use of our time by any means. So don't cancel. So I yeah I suppose the the the

you know just being aware that uh and you're right generally what comes here is development generated or if there's new laws and things that cause the development code or the comp plan to have to be amended then okay that comes through me and here we got to have a meeting and take care of whatever but uh if I'm not here that's fine. Brandon would be here, I assume. And Nicole would be here. And is there somebody back there running the Zoom system or anything?

Okay. So, there would be two staff people here. Anyway, that way we'd be a little bit proactive and and uh you know, possibly bring up thoughts um that could move or or that could Yeah. Or it could be just a conversation about, hey, you know, like Jim was saying, there may be some change or something we see in the scene or something and put, hey, observed X. Yeah, maybe there's something to discuss about. Maybe there's something there. Maybe it ends up tying into something or maybe it's just a discussion and and it could give us that little extra time to, you know, to brainstorm back and forth.

Okay. We're we're down two. We are counselors. Well, she had been just one technically. Yeah. One open spot. But Sheila Sheila Jaylen Newman, she was Oh, she's excused. Sometimes at this time of the year, people are gone a lot anyhow,

but we're starting to head into fall. Okay. So, it sounds like yes, we will definitely have an October 16th meeting. We have an agenda. uh November meeting, we'll figure out what the date of that is and that's getting around uh pushing towards Thanksgiving. December would be pushing and December is not going to be pushing up against Christmas, but yeah, you're just you're in the holiday season. So, uh that doesn't mean here by any means. Thanksgiving is the last week of November

and the third Thursday is the preceding Thanksgiving and then December 24 is the fourth Wednesday. Um so the fourth Thursday is the 25th, but you would be meeting the third Thursday on the 18th would be fine there. Yes. unless something comes up. I know years past this has been used or fire department store, but they now have their own building with plenty of conference room space. So, I would guess that if they're going to do something like that, this conference room would be open and their facilities would be adequate for veterans.

Okay. Yeah. So, does anybody have anything to bring up tonight or if you're bringing up something next month or November or December? Is there a preview that you could provide as to what's on your mind? John, you have this funny look on your face like trying to think of anything. Okay. I might be looking for a football. We might be looking for then you just have to report. any make sure there's no conflict of interest, all that wonderful stuff. Okay, so next meeting is going to be October 16th. Yeah, if we're that low on the agenda, can I interrupt?

Yes, by all means. Back to new business. Back to new business.

Um, what was it? Boy, it's getting to be so long ago. Uh the first week of October was the deadline when the city submitted a grant request to DLCD to get money from the state from DLCD to update our housing needs analysis and buildable land inventory. And mainly they have money from the legislature to grant funds to local governments. But because big cities and medium cities have to update theirs by law with all these housing regs that have been passed, there's uh by the end of this year, the land conservation and development commission will adopt new rules as to how to do housing needs analysis. There will be a few new things in how to do buildable land inventories, but probably most of the money will go to the medium and big cities that are required by law now to do that. But the LCD did say that smaller cities that are less than 10,000 could apply and you never know. And so we applied here for Lafayette. We talked about how uh 10 years ago essentially we expanded the boundary by 70 acres and now 40 of those acres or 60 of those acres have been used up in the Meadow Brook subdivision. Not that all of those acres were built because a lot of them are steep slopes in the creek bottom, but all that 60 of the 72 acres are now developed and almost every one of those lots has a house on it. So,

uh, we said that, you know, as the city has grown over the years, every subdivision that's gone in has had every lot built on it. It's just not one of those things where the subdividers have had people coming around and saying, "Oh, yeah, I don't like that lot." And then five years later, that lot is still for sale. Nobody's liking it. What's the problem? It's the opposite. every single lot gets built pretty quickly and so uh hopefully due to our growth rate which we did tell them how much it's been from 90 to 2000 doubled in population 2000 to 2010 during the recession it increased something like 45% 2010 to 20 we still had growth and even now after 2020 you know, had Meadow Brook could give us a bunch of new housing. So, given that we're a small city and growing that fast, they might say, "Oh, yeah. Let's give a few bucks to Lafayette to have the housing needs analysis and buildable land inventory updated so that the city will know exactly how many acres of buildable land they have and what the housing mix is. kind of obvious 98% single family detached,

but uh at least we can say in the housing needs analysis that we've had uh I don't know three duplexes or something built and we've had three and now four I think the fourth townhouse is under construction and so we can say yep we're allowing all these things. It's just that the market enterprise is a single family story here, not a multifamily story. So anyway, uh that could be something to give you an update about in October or November.

Okay. They said that they were going to let everybody know the first week of October or it was the first week in September who got the grant money. But just I think it was yesterday, Wednesday or Tuesday on the news at the state level, the governor has put a hold on all kinds of stuff, all sorts of spending. Yep.

Uh their estimate or forecast for what revenue is coming in and what other monies like federal monies are coming in and with all the cuts uh to federal funding the state is short I don't know several hundred million dollars. So, as soon as I heard that, I thought, "Oh my gosh, is that maybe why in the first true week of September, we didn't find out if we got the grant or not?" because when they're going to do things like that, they know a few weeks ahead of time that by some date like middle of September, they will announce that there's financial problems in Oregon and pretty much every other state in the country. So the uppers the upper electeds in the state easily could have known at the beginning of September that things were looking bad and that they were going to announce a couple weeks later that things are bad and they could have even then unofficially told all the different departments that have any money to be handed out to hold.

Yeah. Don't release it yet. Don't announce it yet. What what would the what would the study cost? What was the was our our the amount of money? H let's see there have been enough grant requests not just for here but for our other cities that we provide planning services to. Yeah, it seemed as though it was like 15 or 20,000. Right. But you need those two housing needs analysis and information in it and the buildable land inventory with its information to go forward with the you urban growth boundary expansion.

Is it an independent company that you hire to do those those studies or is it something we do? Well, I did both of those documents for the 10 year ago UGB expansion. And this time it's like I could have done that but at the cog with the other cities that we're applying for if the other cities all got money and some of those we said we the COG staff will do the work or yet we when we requested to turn in the grant application we said pug staff won't do the work we'll have a private sector consultant do it. So out of the numerous private sector planning consultants, some have done H housing needs analyses and buildable land inventories and some haven't. So there shouldn't be a problem. And because there's going to be a new administrative rule adopted by LCDC in December that changes the rules on what you have to do for a housing needs analysis of VLI. We in our grant said, "Yeah, we'll wait. We don't need to start this now in the fall or early winter. We'll wait until 2026 when the new rule is out and available to everybody."

Is the most current. So the grants, if any, were actually released yet, that work could happen now before the end of the year and then other grants that might be issued, awarded would come into play in terms of a workload in 2026. So cool. Okay. Okay. Now I'll move on to the point. That meeting you know is going to be October 16th but the location is going to be over in the community center and that's because city council will be meeting here simultaneously.

The commission here city. Yes. Well my gosh it'll be a simultaneous meeting. So they kick us. We need to bring our switchboard. Lock the door over to just so long as you get to take the hammer with you over there. Sam ever needed to use I can leave it for the mayor. We're not a rowdy bunch. People are here is great. So in the packet or the agenda there can be some noticeable reminder. Do not go to the common. Don't come to city hall.

Yeah. I make a motion to to return the meeting. I second. Nicole roll. Commission chair. Hi. Commission. Vice Chair Bel. Hi. Commissioner Miola. Hi. Commissioner Rogers. Hi. Commissioner Adamson. Hi. And then Scott and Ron, you have your chair meeting tomorrow. Yes. with um Brandon and Hillary, I believe. Sure. I don't know what time. I forgot about Okay. Tomorrow evening.