Planning Board - Regular Meeting

Actually, as there. Wonderful. Jason and welcome to the City of Kingston planning board meeting. Um, today is December 8th, 2025. My name is Suzanne Khal. I'm the planning director for the city of Kingston. Um, before we begin the meeting, I'm just going to go over a few quick announcements. Um, I want everybody to understand the meeting is being recorded and live streamed. So, please be aware of that and and be cognizant of it. Um, if you do have a cell phone with you, I'm just going to ask that you please silence it um so that it does not interfere with our meeting. Uh, if you have conversations that are not being held with the board,

we ask that you please take them outside of the room. Uh, there is going to be a meeting in in the conference room, too. But the chambers are available for you. Um, if you uh need to use the restrooms, they are through the chambers. U men's would be to the left, women's to the right. If there is an emergency, we ask that you please use the stairs. And if you need assistance, ask us and and we'll assist you. Um, with that, I am going to turn the meeting over to Chairman Platt to begin the meeting at 605 and introduce the members.

Thank you. Um, we'll begin with introductions. Um, my name is Wayne Platt Jr. We also have members Vince Archer, Sage Newkerk, Andrew Harris, and Kyrie Rund. Suzanne Cahill is our planning director, Kyle D is the assistant planner, and Alderwoman Sarah Pasy is a common council liaison uh to the planning board. Um, item number two on the excuse me, item number one on the agenda. Um, you sure the adoption of the November 17th, 2025 planning board meeting minutes. Um, everybody's had an opportunity to look at them. Any questions, deletions, or additions at this time? Right. So, at this time, I'll make a motion that we everybody's voting through right now to adopt them. Do I have a second? Second by Andrew Harris. All in favor? I opposed. Got moving into public hearings. Item number two is 272 Wall Street. It's a special permit renewal for a wireless telecommunication site and associated site improvements. Section blocking lot is 48331-6-7. Seeker determination transact zone T5N war 2 New Singular Wireless AT&T uh and Reformed Dutch Church is the New Singular Wireless is the applicant. Reformed Dutch Church is the owner. Anybody besides the owner applicant wishing to speak on item number two

here? I'm the applicant. You are here. Great. Okay. You want to I'm pulling in for Martha Gray. This application be

I familiarized myself with her application. Okay. She travel. Can you um introduce yourself for the record, please? Yes. My name is Brenda Blk- Lis from Centerline Communications. I'm a site acquisition consultant here. The AT&T is proposing to install some antennas, radios, and um ancillary equipment inside the steeple at the church. you know, all the equipment looks like it's going to be installed inside building. Okay. So, is there any changes to the the appearance on the outside where where these things are?

Um, from the photos that I've seen, I've only seen a couple photos, but I don't there's no change. Good. All right. The application was reviewed and approved by Landmarks Commission and Heritage Area back in 2020 and the initial permit was approved back in 2020 as well. Um any questions from the board?

Okay. Uh under seeker, this is considered a type two action. So no further review of the board is required for that. Um it just original conditions carried forward. And there's any changes along the way between now and uh well expiration of the approval. Um you come back if there's anything significant. If not they do as bill drugs believe provided to the building department. Okay. And is everybody good with a 5-year renewal on this? And then Okay. And that would come back to the

it would come back to the for an administrative review as long as there are no changes. Okay. And do we want to make this August expiration on this thing? Was that So what would that what would that date be? 23rd. Okay. So that'll be a little bit shy five years. Yeah. Four years and three quarters.

Okay. Okay. All right. So at this time I'll make a motion that we item number two uh for a term of 5 years to come back uh for renewal in August of 2030. Uh all original conditions will be carried forward and the renewal by the planning administration if no changes are have happened. Uh and that is a motion. Do I have a second on that? Second by Vince Archer. All in favor? I opposed. Barry. All right.

Thank you very much. All right. Item number three is 21 Elizabeth Street and a portion of 67 Wall Street. It's a site plan and three major waiverss which includes building length, unit count and front access demolition of existing building and to construct a new 15 unit multipplex. Section block and lot is 56.124-1-12. Secret determination. Transct zone is T4N ward 3. Ulster county schools are the owners and MA Construction is the applicant. Anybody besides the applicant and owners wishing to speak item three or four presentation before?

Is there people signed up to speak to this? Uh yeah, but they're they're going to do a little presentation first and then so anybody wants to speak on this item. So we're going to they're going to do a little presentation first and then we'll have the speaking. Hi. I wish we had chairs in here. Sometime chair here. You can take chair. You

can from working on this project and is our one of our great project managers and then Rob's the fun development. Hilder. So hi my mating for the first time. Ask him a lot of questions.

Uh so um this is a very brief summary of the our responses to the comments and queries uh that are more exhaustively answered in the text and and the drawings. um and uh a couple of extra tweaks that we made in the spirit of those comments and also being mindful of the public comments. So everything tried to synthetically um take care of those two. So, uh this uh is hope the proposed new 21 Elizabeth Street shown in text of the street. Um which we studied you know in great length and then people I mean are people some people see this for the first time.

Yeah. Okay. But you must go ahead. Uh here's a summary of the changes uh uh from the previous submission. Uh there's all it's a a lot about the landscape and the fencing uh to um improve the site and also improve the site's relationship to the neighborhood. uh and to also then integrate landscaping in relationship to the parking that is seems to be really on its way to being approved uh by the school board. We have an agreement and Dennis can can speak to that. And so uh we were asked to make the sideway larger and we added a service berry tree and we have plantings at the front. we were able to um speak to our funer the at DHCR and no longer have a playground here so it can all be resident gardens. Uh there's a there's planting along all the edges with uh we've taken we're going to take down the existing chain link and replace it with a nice 5ft tall wood fence as well as uh tall growing hedge and Holly I believe.

Yeah, Holly does cedar the cedar

and yeah, see you really know. And then um this is new. we were able to shift the parking back to get that planting strip. Um we have uh additional planting strips uh as a median in between the parking and it includes trees as per code and because we want them on either side. Uh the school dumpsters, we've been able to actually move the school dumpsters further away than they are now. Uh the school has them placed closer to the property. We've been able to move them further away. Um and that and that was a part in service of an emergency gate uh that we will have here so that fire trucks can easily go in and out of the property without turning around. And there's a pedestrian gate as well. that pedestrian gate will be controlled by uh 21 Elizabeth Street so that they can decide um when to open it to the to the school population or the town population. Then we have again broadened our planting strips uh to the north side of the building. Um we've defined a planning strip on the other side as as well as a fence and this will you can see it in a later slide will be uh permeable or porous paving. It's actually they there is uh grass that grows up and then the cells. Um and I think that I mean but that's this that's the spirit of it. Oh and our dumpsters will be here. Um, and we that from the change here is that we've had we've

moved our electric bike parking. Um, okay. To the side in our bedroom for those upstairs. Um, and do you want to Why don't we just keep going? I know you've got a lot to do. Is that good for an overview? Yeah, that's good for the only thing. Are you going to let the public speak and then we'll have questions? Yeah, sure. We're going to let the public Okay, great. speak for a little bit and then we'll go back to you. Okay, great. You want to do that now? Yeah. Yeah, sure. Um, so there was just the one signed up. I'll call them then. They're here.

Okay. Sophie Kravitz and Oliver Tanner here. Sure. Yeah. Come on up to them. Should I sit up here or Hi, my name is Oliver. Last name is Tanner Sage 36 Washington. So I'm one of the neighbors to the project. Um so first I want to say uh that I'm not against the project. Um but I do have a few questions and concerns. So

um I had a chance to review uh the latest site plan submission that I think was posted on the third. So spent some time looking through the PDF and it's a it's a pretty good uh pretty good document. a lot better than um the one that was uh posted on the uh Olster County website because I had I had a concern because um uh when I initially um you know looked at the Olster County website, it didn't show uh the east west elevations. It just showed Elizabeth Street um you know access and it makes it look kind of nice and condensed. But when you look at east west, you have a very large building. And so I thought it was a bit misleading not to show that uh to the public, but I see that now in the in the new, you know, the new drawing package, which is great. So um I appreciate that. Um I I do think personally for me it's too big. I'd like to, you know, see it be a little smaller. I feel like like it's going to be a really um monolithic structure that I'm just going to look at every day because it's right at, you know, my backyard. Um but um yeah, so that's my personal opinion is that it's too big and too tall. Um uh second, uh so um parking um I didn't realize that this is actually part of the Kingston school now, the property. So um I guess it it does all make sense. So, um I was concerned about student pickup. Um you know there's it's already at the end of the day it gets very narrow in the back when all the cars come in to pick up the students. So if not you change the way how the the layout is. You make it much narrower. Are parents still going to be able to pick up their their kids in that area or is that going to get brought somewhere else? They're going to do that on on Wall Street or or is student picked up not going to happen anymore like how is that going to affect that?

So um so um the plan also shows um 15 parking spaces and one AEA space. So which is great. Um but if let's say there's two people um per household living there, that's you're looking at roughly 30 cars. Where are the other 15 cars going to go? Um so Elizabeth Street is I think you know would be the next closest street. Um but that's I think already at maximum capacity and anybody who's who lives here has driven down that um road um especially on a weekend or at the end of the day when people are um at home it's not cars and it's basically a one one lane road and you got to be careful when another car comes that you're not you know you have to killed or whatever. So it's a very tight spot. So, I'm not sure how old that's going to get handled and how that's going to get dealt with during construction because trucks have to go in and out through that area. So, um I could see that be somewhat of a problem to my neighbors on that street. Um but I would hope that they can chime in at some point on that. Um, so one of those questions would also be whether or not that street would be uh close or or section of that street close to parking uh during construction. Um, yeah. Um, another thing regarding parking is on the site plan I noticed that you uh show um vehicle charging stations, which sounds great since people are trying to go EV and whatnot. Uh will those charging stations be um available to the general public after school hours or is that just for people working out of school or or how does that how does that lay out? Third, water runoff. Um I saw on um on

the latest plans, I'm really appreciative of this. Um, I saw that um you added um the dry wells, which is great because um in our backyard it's basically a low spot. Everything is just going to collect where our shed is and it gets really soft in the springtime. The school piles up the snow in the back and uh so springtime is is kind of a problem. Things get really uh wet in that area. So, I appreciate that you guys uh are making an effort to um collect the redirect the water um to a different low spot um to handle that. But having said that, where with having a fence in the middle of the road now or in the parking area, where is all the snow going to put? It's going to get divided up differently like where how snow handling going to be handled snow staging

infrastructure. I I kind of looked through the plan. I I don't I'm not um civil engineer so I don't really know exactly um what you know to what extent we looked at this but uh can our sewer system and water supply and electric handle the additional use um and uh going on to landscaping um the landscaping plan looks nice but honestly I personally I would prefer to just have like a wall of evergreens on on the west side um just to create some privacy I'm sure people that are going to live in that house still want to look at my backyard and and feel like having that

extra privacy would be nice. Uh there is a massive walnut tree right in the back corner. Um part of your drawing um shows it as potentially remaining. Part of the drawing shows completely lemonade. Um I have a lovehate relationship with that tree. It's a beautiful old tree. It gives us privacy and shade. But in the late summer when the walnuts drop, it's the biggest mess. And uh I can guarantee you nobody's going to want to park underneath that tree. Nobody's going to want to play in the playground under that tree or plant anything there. So um I would like as with that said, I'd like to just if it comes down, I can understand, you know, it getting removed potentially. uh just like to see maybe a different landscape plan that would address a little more privacy for me and the other neighbors in the area. I can't speak for what they want to have, but you know, I I like to just maybe have some tall trees that are evergreens and maybe an 8ft fence. I think you put a 6ft fence up there. 8 foot would be even nicer.

So, not to be unable, but yeah. Um what else? Um, I think that's kind of it for for now.

Yeah. My one last minor concern. I I know you guys put some lighting in. Um, I I hate all the the new LED lighting that's out there. It's so damn bright. Um, the school already has a really bright light overview playground. You know, I get it. You got to have safety and and you know, have things late at night. That's great. But if you're putting in new uh LED lighting, just maybe consider something that is on a uh not not super high lumen output or something that's on a motion detection detector. So it turns on and off. It's just not like a, you know, flashlight, you know, or spotlight that runs all night long. Just kind of just keep it kind of nice, you know. And I see see you the drawings of the building are pretty good. And there looks like you guys are sort of on the right track with maybe specialist. So that's it.

Great. Thank you.

Is there anybody else who has not signed up that wishes to speak on this? Perfect. Okay. So I guess we'll have some questions for you now. Okay. Um, Kylie, wait. Sean, I have a question. Um, we can answer some of those really thoughtful comments as we go through this. I think we've taken care of some of them. Is that what we should do? And then, but I I don't think I'd have them exhaustively.

Okay. So uh here is a revised uh we we revised the landscape right um in this render to show uh fairly young service regions uh the things soon after soon after they were planted and also the existing landscape. There anything else? No. Okay, good. So next one. Um this has to do very few uh comments here just we had been asked to um I don't know why the mailbox oh the mailbox on the other one. So there's no garbage room the because the garbage is going to be placed in the dumpsters um and removed by a service who removes the garbage. And we are going to if we have uh folks who are older or need some help where it's going to be part of the management plan to help them with their garbage. But this was at the suggestion of Rupco who has a lot of uh experience. Um but meanwhile there is storage for everyone. Uh there are there is bike room for everyone. Uh, and um I think that's Oh, right. And the most important thing, this is not a legitimate daycare. It It's the idea is that it's a youth room. The idea was that if we could have one big community space, but that it made a lot of sense to at least have um doors and a a wall in between them so that they could have two functions going on because they're quite large. So, we initially thought that one would be for community meetings. might one might be able to be outfitted for the younger

residents um in the co-op, but honestly, it's going to be up to the residents to decide how they use these two rooms, but that that was is there going to be interconnectivity between the two? Yes, there should be. And I think this might be a slightly older plan because there should be doors right here.

Okay. And um that's important because if there's ever, god forbid, some kind of climactic event and it makes sense for this to be a place of refuge, there needs to be room for everybody and hopefully even some Yeah. Sorry about that. Um I think that's plenty here. And then the next one we just uh thanks because it helps to have the um this was just to uh explain how mail worked. Uh and that we have um in each of the uh stair lobbies we have the mailboxes for those residents. Kind of a nice little sub community feature. And we also found some storage room underneath the stair for like Amazon boxes so that you don't have to have these huge boxes piled up everywhere. They can go um underneath the stairwell. Anyone who opens directly onto the porch will get their meal uh directly. And uh we figured we have figured out the emergency numbering and we've got in the elevation you'll you should see the 21 Elizabeth Street on the front of the house. Okay, that's it. Um have you reached out to uh the post office about that layout? Because sometimes when there are multi

family structures, they want to see one mailbank boxes and not have the I mean, so yeah. Um, yeah, I think Corey, we misunderstood and reached out to the how we number them. Okay. You know, where they don't want a dash, they um want the name and just 21 Elizabeth Street, but we didn't ask that question. We will if we go back. There is an alternative place we could put them in the front. Right. I mean, I like I like what you planned. Yeah.

Yeah. Gotcha. And if they don't, if you go back, I'll just show you where they'll go. Um yeah. Uh if if they don't I we can they'll we can put them here. Yes. Right. So they'll just be one big. Yeah.

Okay. Thanks. Um this is really honestly to show you the Aphoka units. Um our HVAC doesn't have outdoor good for the neighbors. They're not outdoor condensers, right? There's no fans outside. Um the uh FOCA units are the it's a new kind of heat pump. Um and it works just the box on the inside and there's two round or if you prefer a rectangular rail. Um but that's that's kind of it. Yeah. It's good because it's up there.

Yeah. um on a few different renderings were on the windows actually. So some are showing divided light, some are not. So what what is your what's your plan of right? Um that is a really good question. We we go back and forth. We're thinking of doing them all the divided light. It would be more compatible with the neighborhood. That's why we're Okay, there you go. I guess guess what? We are definitely doing um on the first rent on the first view there the first slide uh where it shows the streetscape. Yeah. Want to go that or no? You you're the only one who can go back

right there. That one. Oh, this one. Yeah. The house on the corner is is missing. Is that Can we the red other corner? Oh, the other corner. Yeah. Oh, there's a big house there. Maybe we not going to do it tonight, but can you include Absolutely. Absolutely. And it could have been our Google shop that did. Yeah. It's weird because this is a these are assembled. It looks like Predator the movie. Yeah. Who did that? Right. Yeah, we'll get it. We'll get it back. Looks like Predator. Yeah. Yeah. Is it on the old one? I don't know. We'll go. Um,

it's very strange. How is that even possible? These are just photographs. Okay. Um, yeah. Talk about the raised the planting beds there, right? Yes. So, yeah. I'm sorry. Go ahead. Do you do you really think there's a need for that that people are going to actually and like there's other right questions I had like you have a big shade tree over top of three of them right how is that going to how do you

yeah so well things you know you can flower there are definitely things that grow in the shade I'm not and the sun does move so that um is that your wallet tree No. Um, that's it's a maple. That's the maple. Yeah. And you got till about 12:00 until the sun comes around. Right. Right. So, um,

I understand your concern. I think the the actually the larger concern is, are people going to buy in to using these beds? And if they don't, how are they maintained? And what happens to them? I'm just thinking maybe that, you know, that space over there could be used for more of um you know, open space for for the residents to enjoy whether they're going to Yes. It's like flex green space. It it definitely could. I think where this came from, just so you know the history, is that uh our community land trust partner is Tap Roup and they're farmers.

So, I think they were quite dumb that And I I believe me I I understand that whole thing. Okay. But I was I was wondering if yes if uh you know have it as an open space first and then if there's a if there's a people are asking for it can be something. I I think that's really why I think that I think that's a really wise tact where if there's a real appetite for it, we could be, you know, the app route gives the people the support because that's the one thing they can support it. It's not just saying figure out how to plant stuff that grows sh um to uh

maybe it's just a skeptic in me, but I'm I'm thinking that this is not a they will they build it. They will come. They will come. I think that's feel on that, right? But that's it's you know, we hear you a suggestion. I think Yeah, I think that's a very good and yeah, we might have a demonstration bed or two just tonight, you know. I mean, I've always said I want I want to put a raised bed in my in my yard, but I just never get You just Well, you know, um All right,

jumping to the pedestrian gate. Um can you elaborate more on when you said the bill that who's who's going to control that? What? So um right now the agreement the that's in process um with the school grants 21 Elizabeth Street Cooperative the controls. Uh oh. So when you when we talk about control, what what what are they can decide when it's locked and when it's So okay. So it will it will maybe during the daylight hours it'll remain unlocked for people to go through either way or

um you know part of these things since it's going to be between the co-ops and the school board I can't totally answer but that sounds like a scenario that could very well take place. cuz little secluded areas so you know after hours right tend to lead to right mischievous this activity right my my sense is that the board would have it controlled more than less and I'm sure there's never they're just not going to want and I'm sure this is something that they've already

you know had questions about or maybe they already have the answers so I That's also noted.

So the you know there's the issue of of the side entrance versus the front entrance, right? That's what you're going to be the waiver going to be. There's one of the waivers, right? Um, this is something new to us. This, you know, with the with the new formbbased code, we've already denied folks with applications for wanting a winner of waiverss on front entrance versus side entrance or rear entrance. So, do you do you have a plan B if if if this doesn't go

well? Um, not for the structure of the building, but I I would say this. If you think if if you think of the front porch as the front entry and if you imagine there was another set of voyer doors, then or this was glazed, then it would simply be a single loaded corridor that opened onto the rooms. So in that sense we'd be at the letter of the law. So the letter of the law would be you know to put some kind of operable panel here and to put another set of doors that you have to go through. Is that preferable? I don't I don't think so. I think the natural ventilation um you know the sense of high neighbor um is is is is somehow um a grandized in in the way it is now but I would say so in a certain sense it is a front porch it just then you know think of it going through two swinging doors and that's what it's a side porch for evening But, you know, it's no different than if you had a foyer and then just stairs going up

to us. All right. Good answer. Um, the uh the evening renderings. Yes. But we have some we have we have an evening rendering with very low quality. You have actually a light pollution under the code. So, we Yeah. Yeah. Um, this might even be right. We're going to show it at its worst. No curtains. All right. Yeah. If we could maybe show some other angles. Okay. Additional. Yeah. How it looks from different angles. The rear of the property. The the Washington Avenue side, you know. Gotcha. Okay.

Not a problem. About the other areas. Thank you, Corey. Can we talk about some of the issues that Mr. Tanner brought up now?

Yeah. Well, this one there there is um a light pollution code and we have our light fixtures uh later on that we'll show you, but maybe if we keep flipping through, we actually can address them more in sequence as you saw. Um I mean, we have all different kinds of native plants. We can move them around um on the plan um to make sure the density along that side feels good, but the cedars grow really tall. So that's why they were kind of advisable to go above the six five or six feet, get tall. Anyway, maybe we could let's go to the next one. Um we found the next one because I won't keep boring you with this and this. Keep going. Yeah, we'll get you out of here. Uh oh, there's 21. Okay. And uh here's the this comes there. Three colors were allowed, I believe. A gray, a green,

you gray, green, brown, and gray. Brown, black. So, this is the kind of lighter the lightest side of the palette, and that's what we're going to use. Okay. Uh the other thing we could do a green that goes with the plants, but um you want to go and keep going. Is that backwards or forwards? Oh yeah. Yeah. Okay. And if you keep going um I guess this issue that was about that roof.

That was about the roof which isn't coming up so we're not going to talk about it. Um the but it the building is only around a foot and a half taller than the previous building. It has to be close to 50 ft by code. That's exactly what it is. So um this has to do with the construction. Um the road this street isn't going to be it's going to be closed for around a week maybe maybe less than a week because the building's modular. And so the only time the street's going to be closed is when the crane is there to put the modules onto the I mean I don't believe Hans are you closing are you going to close the street for any other reason?

No. Okay. There. Okay. Yeah. Demolition. No closure. Uh construct here. Here's the crane and its two positions. Half the building is from this one. half the buildings from this side and it is they're saying they're going to do six modules a day. So that's five days. Um, yeah. And that's closed 24 hours a day or is it just for Oh, yeah. Because there's a See, yeah, it's not a bug. It's a card. Okay.

Or a big bug. It's big. So, yeah, they're not moving that baby for um but it it it doesn't necessarily be have to be here for the whole 5 days because half time it's going to be here. But I can't I don't know. So, I'm not gonna full road closure 247 or would would you would it be partial at evening hours for their the evening hours if um everyone felt safe um you know on the other side of the street you could or you they could do half the street half the street half the street I think that would be safer to be honest.

Okay. Um but the we have a crane expert the ones who make modules install modules and they get the crane and they get all the permits. Um and we will ask him you know we'll uh ask them to uh give us their their best plan for limiting street. Um yeah I yeah seems like it's just it's at the proper it's the at the property boundaries. So the other beyond that the speech should be able to be okay. So DPW will weigh in on the placement of the crane and

I mean and I've asked the water department as well because the crane structure they their lines are underneath there. So I'm assuming that weight will be distributed. Yeah. Yeah. and and and again these are experts um but we'll you know but um and they may be already in contact with us you know this they might be they might be but we'll make sure that and then this is laid over the other parts of the construction plan um with the temporary stabilized entrance and we have talked to the neighbors on that side

go back one step so it might be good to have the company that's going to be doing the assembly um the crane company have them submit a a narrative just to describe because you're going to have these units coming in on tractor trailers yes the frequency you know they're going to be obviously on Washington I'm presuming they'll use Washington to come in and maybe you know how they're going to how they're going to circulate their traffic flow with that and then so there's a lot of

yeah there are a lot of logistics um we already talked to them about uh what they you're saying you know it is a kind of constrained site in a residential neighborhood and so they will not be storing any of the modules on site at all or in the parking lot or anywhere they will have them offsite they said what they usually do is they find a nearby um parking lot or manufacturing facility, they rent it um and then they bring them one at a time or two at a time to be installed. So you never have anything more in the neighborhood or close to site that they're not actually going to be installing that day. Um which does it's still there's still logistics I understand but that is a piece of information. Um, and there we have been talking to them about it, but we'll get your um, yeah, I think should we keep going because we have this Do we have this information on another drawing too?

We just have this which

Yeah, which is the same thing. Um, which is our uh, you know, it's our it's our staging. We have the proposed work area. um how they're going to have the you know it it's the same stuff. And here's the the electric lines going to come um going and it had the sediment fence around it. So you're not going to get any sediment because there's a erosion control and a seven fence around the entire property for the duration of the work. So, um that was on that previous uh drawing. And then, uh this is you probably saw it. It's the utility plan and the grading with the um permeable driveway and the the grass units. Um in terms of, you know, in this day and age, you really have to retain all your own water on site and not let your water go to the nature. So it's part of the way anything is engineered. The other thing to your that's a very good point. It it by having these wells and having a lot we have a lot more permeability on the site than there used to be. You know there's less there's no flat top. We have more planting. The water is going to move much more slowly into the city system. That's the whole point of doing right. And the grading is is away from the side. The grading's all all to here. So I think um it it you know who knows if we're lucky we'll collect the the neighbors water too because it actually is a low point. Um and the kind of benefit uh to the to even to other properties in the street. Um but yeah, that's the idea. is kind of trying to be

cutting edge in terms of how we uh handle water management. Um I think that's the most important thing. I mean your houses are here over here. So you're kind of the parking lot you look at now is going to be a lot nicer than the the parking lot that you will be looking at will be nicer than the parking lot you're looking at now. The eagle fence there. Yeah. Especially when you have a huge seed crew. He's this far apart and big fence. But yeah, that's what you're looking at now. Actually, the building the building isn't going to go to that far, but I understand it's a conition. So, but it's not going to be the case. And and your snow story.

Yes, good point. No snow storage. We're going to take it off site and and in terms of a big storm. Uh it could, you know, there could be a discussion with the school. They have their plows. We have our plow. How they manage that. Um I know you don't want a digger pile near your house. Okay. So, um but right now that's garbage and snow um get taken away by professionals. Excuse me. So, you're saying that the snow plan for the snow removal is to take it off site?

That's correct. How does that happen? Uh they bring it up and they put it in the dumpster and they take it away. A lot of places do that. They truck it away. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, I know. Who thought? And here you can shoveling your whole life.

I'm sorry. the the back entrance, the exit, and then the front. Are they all both ways? Both way traffic? Oh, that's a good question. Um, back and front. So, the emergency is not to be used unless there's a fire truck. Two way, right? Right. So this is this is two-way, but then to go here is only fire trucks only that way. So it's not through traffic.

No, there's no traffic at all. It's just when we were working with the fire chief and dealing with his concerns. Yeah. Yeah. Um he was really happy the idea of not having to turn the fire truck around of having the ability um to leave that way. And I I guess if it's a huge awful fire to come in that way, but that's not the idea. It's not It's not traffic. Is any of the staging going to be in um large vehicles that could be parked in front? You mean

Yeah. For like um I know that they're coming in as modulars, but I'm assuming there's going to be crew and materials still. So, the staging for the Right. So, that's uh I'm going to throw that one to Rob because when the modules come in, it's just the modules, right? Then afterwards, they do this thing called buttonup where they do the siding and some of the roofing and that's Rob's. Yeah. I mean, they can park outside on the actual site. There is a layout area. Yeah, that's on the other drawing as the layout area. It's here. Yeah. Right. We're compacting the soil. So it won't be good for

anyway. The construction uh will be where the proposed driveway is as well. Yeah. Oh, right. What was the parking? I'm sorry. What was the parking count for the 15? Yeah. Yeah. And it's modular. So I mean it work after the modules are set. Isn't Viper building when its anything else? I don't know this summary from the public comments but I think I mean I unless um it is very question about lighting too but that has yet to be has yet right so here

that's that's the be that's still in the in the works the lighting oh but there hasn't been a lighting plan submitted yet right I mean yes in the drawing set it's not in this but in the drawing set we put the tree uh compliant with the with the Yeah, it's that the all the exterior lighting has been designed for place like the interior. We don't have interior. So, but we have that if you keep going. It's not in the presentation. It's in the drawing set for the actual the No, no, but we have the schedule. Excuse me. Okay. Yeah. So, there's If you keep going, we'll get to the lighting schedule, I think.

Yep. Right there. So, yeah, we've chosen all the fixtures. You can see they a lot of them are most of them all on the cast are down. I think they're like every 10 ft. Um but there there's a plan. Um and we even have the uh how much light is cast across the site. It will wash over. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um Yep. And then I don't know. I think this is really it. That's really it. The other actually were, you know, these were for you too. Yes. Um,

yeah. And then this was your question before. So if you put here, you could see, right? If you put uh well not you can't actually see because this is the top of the ramp but uh if you put at the top of the ramp and we could move that down a little another doorway you can you know in a certain sense or here to change the a little but you can really think of this as inside outside. So that's the part that's the part. Okay. Yeah.

Do any board members have any other comments? Did they want to um ask any questions on any of the drawings or submissions that were um presented as part of the package for this meeting? I know that our engineer is still reviewing them. Um, with regards to the asbestous debatement, I've asked the building safety to do a review of it as well. Um, we have some staff comments that we'll forward to you and some additional questions um, from us, but um, asking board members now if you have any questions or comments or concerns that you want to um, discuss um, because we do have a couple pieces of business and then we need to move on the agenda. Any other questions? A lot of the questions.

Okay. All right. I also wanted to mention that the Andrew, we didn't we didn't mention this. Andrew Harris has recused himself of the deliberation on this particular project. So, put that on the record. Who works for the county? Yeah.

Okay. Um All right. So, I do have a resolution for us declaring lead agency for this project. I'm going to read that into record now. A resolution of the city of Kingston planning board declaring lead agency for 21 Elizabeth Street and a portion of 67 Wall Street which is section block and lot 56.124-1-12 and 56.124-1-1 in the secret process under 6NYCRR part 617 whereas um ma corporate construction the applicant has submitted a completed short environmental assessment form to the city of Kingston planning board to demolish the existing building and construct a new 15 unit multiplex with supporting infrastructure and improvements which is the action and whereas the project is located at 67 Wall Street SPL 56.124-1-12 and 56.124-1-1 Kingston New York and whereas the application was identified as an unlisted action of the seeker. However, due to the number of agencies involved in the review, the board and the applicants are choosing to initiate a coordinated review to seek the designation of lead agency. And whereas a determination of the significance of the action on the environment must be made in order to comply with New York State Environmental Conservation Law, the Seeker Act, and the regulations promulgated there, which is the regulations by the New York Department of Environmental Conservation. And whereas the planning board by resolution adopted on October 20, 2025 declaring intent to seek lead agency and directed planning staff to circulate the request to all involved and interested agencies.

And whereas on October 27th, 2025, notice was emailed/mmailed to all identified involved and interested agencies with no objections were received and the 30-day time period has expired. Now therefore, be it resolved by the city of Kingston planning board as follows. Section one, that pursuant to 6 NYCRR 617, the city of Kingston planning board hereby affirms its role as lead agency in the secret environmental review of the action as described above. Section two, that all identified involved agencies will be notified of the Kingston Planning Board decisions as lead agency. in section three that this resolution they shall take effect immediately. This time I'll make a motion that we adopt this resolution. Do I have a second? Second by Sage. Uh all in favor? Wayne Platt is a yes.

Vince Archer, yes. Sage Newer, yes. Kyra Grundig, yes. Resolution is adopted. 240 count. Okay.

All right. We're also going to send this on to the cabin for that confidence. Okay. Motion. Yeah. We're going to take

Yeah. So I make a motion that we um table item number number six three and also send it off to me for their comments. So we will have a second by Tyra. All in favor I opposed. Thank you folks. See you soon. All right. Thank you. Thank you very They can get advice. How are you? What is that?

Okay, moving on. Item number four

is 25 Frog Alley site plan for a mixed residential development with 43 residential units and two live work units and major waiver for alternative building types. Section block at lot is 48.314-1-12 secret of termination transct zone is T5N42 GBC Kingson LLC is the applicant owner I don't have anybody signed up to speak anybody wishing to speak on this item the applicant okay we'll still come on up looking between shutting this door and having you guys come How we doing tonight? history.

Um, we can start with the architectural see if there's questions. Thanks. Thank you. Is this right? This is civil. Let's start with this.

Um so yes, so this is first seminar engineering uh drawings. Uh so obviously this is the context plan showing the new development in the uh in the context of drive and neighboring streets. Um the manager civil engineer have been working with with city engineer um to uh figure out a lot of what was going on already on the ground and and create a plan for uh for utilities uh waste water and storm water. Um so if you continue going so well this is just the first site line showing showing uh uh proposed buildings and the different areas of the per surfaces uh throughout the development as we presented previously. uh less than 50% is uh is fully impermable of the of the site uh which is actually less than what currently is. We just focus more on the current configuration. Um and then obviously uh part of the of the um anyways cases that we're introducing we're not fully but trying to we use formable flavors with with proper gap between and we write layers on the perspect on that on the landscape park index drawings. Um then continuing on the the next slide this is the existing division. So this is all surveying of the of the site showing uh underground utilities underground services already existing. Um and you can kind of see barely but like this is the line of the asphalt.

Mhm. uh with this area being like building so I mean as something else but uh but yes again it's more than 50% of the site actually is is currently unsalt so the the the waste water or the storm water system that is in place is capable of managing um the the the existing rain water but obviously we're changing we're we're absorbing the water in different ways uh and we're controlling obviously everything that is that is collected with the with gutters and all the different roofs of the of the development and then continuing down. So here is finally um sewer plan. Uh so here is shown uh how we're planning to to pick up all the all the systems. Uh so basically every hallway always every every um courtyard all the main hallway is going to pick up the individual drinks to individual waste waters from uh each one of the of the units and then everything is going to be collected at the the street level. So again this has been reviewed with the with the engineer uh with our civil engineers. Uh so we're confident that this can work with the existence system of the of the city. the we're we still owe you some sections to indicate a little better how the systems are working together. Uh currently the the the pinch point is around here at the entrance. Uh well, we have the clearance between between the the two um the the water line and the and the sewer line. Uh we need to maintain 10 ft um set between the two. uh we're working with trying to understand if just moving them on on different elevations can actually help us bring them a little closer and uh and if that doesn't work we have the clearance for that. The only problem is the foundation of the buildings. So we're also considering using a different

footing that just returns on one on the interior side and and not a standard rectangular footing so that we can actually go closer to the to the footing of the of um drainage and grading plan. So this is a little you really have to study this drug to get a good understanding on that. There's several layers on it. So I'm going to try to just break it down right a little bit like you you can see these are the existing uh catch basin and and and drains that are that are on site and then uh so we're showing both the existing and then what um uh what we're proposing to uh to add. So again like there's there's space evenly to pick up really rain everywhere. We have uh if you look at the at the uh roof plan and get an understanding of how the roofs are collecting the water. Basically, we have pitch roofs everywhere, gable roofs everywhere. So, so we have we're going to have drains on the back side and also collect the water uh back there uh on on the back of these this line as well. So, so really we're trying to catch catch the water wherever we're we're picking up with roof or obviously directly on the on the ground and then continue again. Um so this is on frog alley. for and this is a waiver that we haven't fully submitted yet. So we'll present we don't propose proposed change. Uh so currently there's one curb cut on on frog Ali. I

think two I think there's two. Yes, there's one one on the Yes, one on the north and one on the on the south. So we're proposing to move the one on the south uh in front of the of the entrance. We're proposing for the development. This is going to be used uh pretty much exclusively for um access for for emergency vehicles. And then we're proposing talked about there was um we were going to make that a mountable it'll still be a curb but mountable for equipment. So it be look like a curb cut. So for vehicle use

that that's correct. And and the idea as well is to is to install one or two bards at this entrance as well to even uh to even more clearly state that that's not an entrance for the public that can people can drive and and park in the in the public square there. Uh and then the second curb cut is again also for for uh vehicular access only for emergency vehicles on on the north end. And then uh this curb cut is going to also be divided in two parts with the mountable curb in the in the first part right in front of this uh this um laneway and then a regular curb cut for access um for trash charge collection on the really on the on the north end of the of the site. Um, so yeah, so we're we're pretty much adding uh I think it's about 20 foot of Corat overall and then shifting the existing one and again the one that we're adding is multable so it's not really deta uh and then uh this is part of the uh sediment control. This is this is something that we haven't talked fully with the engineer about this. So we need to get better understanding ourselves of of the of part of base that's that goes together with obviously the the uh staging of the construction as well. So uh this part for the solar solar erosion siment control also the staging of the construction since we were still talking with the banks there uh to to really get a better understanding and and and paint the the overall picture. So we can talk a little bit about this. Currently this is like um pretty much straightforward and an existing strategies to to uh use as much as possible the the sediment going into into particular. Um, but this also needs to be related with the with the stitching or reconstruction

that we're still talking with with the builder about

and these are all standard details for the the different connections. Maybe the only thing worth mentioning was is the uh that also we still owe you more architectural details for that. the the the trash enclosure which is going to be a brick wall 8 foot tall wall and with space for two trash containers cubic yard and then two smaller we from and we've been talking with waste management that uh they haven't officially approved the plan but they reviewed everything and they they okay the the location and the and the strategy to take up the the trash can uh architectural drawings. Um so in here we try to um present uh obviously all the zoning parameters uh required by the T5N uh transect and and what we have on on our site. So all the numbers are listed in in that schedule at the uh the bottom right. Uh we also indicated dimensions for the for the street uh elevation indicating all the all the required uh all the entrances all the different floor plans or sorry different height of the different floors and up here you have a legend also how we have identified the buildings I don't know why it doesn't appear properly but like considering how these are going to get built and and what is a building we define basically uh these five different buildings throughout the throughout the development. So we have the units each individual attached component town home basically or row house and uh and then the building. So each building is is an individual entity that has

basically a share foundation and uh utilities are shar throughout the redevelopment. So those are in a different manner. Um and we're starting to talk with both the fire department and also with uh USPS about how we label things so that we can we can uh have everybody have a share understanding of where you are where you live 5N or 3X or whatever that is. So we're still trying to figure working on it. Um so the architectural floor plans uh nothing uh uh new here I think I hope in in one plan I believe we added the uh indication of that but there was a question about utilities shared utilities on utility spaces on the on the site so we have uh two rooms so this is the main room Sanias has access on both sides but especially on on on frog alley through a stoop reminder to everyone And there's stoops everywhere because this needs to be above the flood plane elevation on 155. So so uh the accessible area is really on the on the south end and then everything else is is raised up for that reason. So this is the uh this is the mail room is designed according to the boss master standards but we haven't showed it yet to USPS. So we don't have their their approval, but we're following all the all the standards and there's plenty of additional space for packages and so on on the north end of that uh that space. Uh there's 43 units and that's plenty of space for that for the for the regular mail. Uh and then this other room here, this is the electrical meter room. Uh so this one as well, this is actually much bigger but still very packed just because of fire clearances, etc., etc. And um and we have a preliminary layout of this also not presented full in detail at this point. Working with our mechanical engineer to to uh complete that but

again designed to meet all the standard it is it is sprinkled. It has two egress axis on on both sides swing doors unlike all the other the other doors. So it's it's designed with that. Uh and then obviously we have the the trash collection. It's public space. So the one thing to note here which you guys probably get a sense of looking at the plan is that we didn't want this to feel like utilitarian our structures they look like any of the other condoms. So the mail room could in fact there is housing above it but the ground floor looks like it could be a residence and same with the utility uh or the electrical room. It looks the same exact way as as the other units which was important to us. didn't have just a shed somewhere on the inside. Uh you wouldn't know it's sort of a slight of hand that we think people will appreciate.

Second floor and the and third floor units are level and then the then the roof plan here. So again you can see the pitch of the roofs and the collecting water on different sides. Uh this is just indicating the elevations of of different levels uh uh both in the in the courtyard and and interior of the spaces. Uh this is uh uh zoom in onto the trash collection area and the transformer. So the transformer uh is on frog alley. No, this is not fantastic solution,

but uh it's really unfortunately because of access this is really uh the location where we could uh we would place it or risk of losing uh because we have to lose a lot of units to to access. Um Central Hudson wants to have a truck parked in front of it both to install it and to the maintenance. So street access was really like important for that or have a major major lane way to to get access to that. Uh we've been talking with central Hudson about the location. Uh also we're we're getting uh we're getting the power actually from uh the transformers that they have along drive. So, we're going to run the power through our in between the buildings on the north on the northwest and then down this lane way and then connect to this uh and uh and so we have the space we had clearances to run the service on the ground and again this initially were proposed to put it immediately next to them because they have access on their end. We said they didn't know what is going to happen with their site. Uh so it wasn't a proper location for for them and so we moved it on on to this side. We have the uh the clearances all around. Uh we have uh by locatedating in here, we have enough space to run with the with the truck. Um these are front loaded. So pick up the trash and and empty it and then run around with the with the uh recyclable and bring it on to again in front of uh where the trash is going to pick it up. Um there's enough clearance for the uh fire emergency uh truck also to to come in and we have full Berts on the side to protect it from from uh vehicles bumping into that.

Um we still have an opportunity of maybe some planting or something to hide this new box that is right on the on on frog alley. It's no one's favorite spirit solution I think on and it's it's a very useful object we need to have there. Uh we have tried to to find other solutions with central Hudson but um yeah completely in the sky or the ground fire safety. Uh so there was a plan reviewed uh with the fire chief. Um these I I sent

I showed you. Yes. The notes with all the sheets. So hopefully he'll be looking at them. Yeah. So everything.

Yeah. We had a meeting obviously to discuss the things and we tried to address everything that was that was indicating there indicating all the clearances. We work with the mechanical engineer to provide the sprinkler specification. So that's also added in here which buildings to sprinkle, what kind of systems are installed. Um so so we try to provide as much information as we can have at this point in the in the process. And then finally landscape design. Um so so in this case in the plans we try to address uh the initial comments uh from the from the planning board. So uh change the species of trees and planting uh to use what the city has has pre-approved. Um we indicate more details. Um there's going to be some uh uh a number of of bike racks and sheds for bikes uh for bike storage. Um I'm trying to indicate also what materials we're going to use. Uh so we're going to use this concrete pavers again with with open gaps in between uh to uh allow some some water drainage. uh this decomposed granite which is basically uh lighter color gravel uh in some of the areas throughout and then obviously grass among the other areas and then the planting. We there's also information about the planters that we're planning to install throughout um the public spaces and and the plants that they're going to grow into these planters. Um we also have uh rough information about some of these uh public movable furniture. Everything is lightweight so it can be moved around and uh so the fire access is still there. still planning I know we need to pro provide public

the analysis and and that's that's a work in progress so so we're going to submit officially that one um want to see if there's there's more comments on that and then the other comment that I wanted to address here is um the for for concerns the outdoor condensers for our pump systems so basically Every unit is as is independent obviously and they're going to have between two between actually one and three depending on the size of the unit one and three um mini split wall mount mini splits. Um so so we're going to have condensers for this uh these uh type of units here. We can actually fit all the condensers under the stairs. The stores are going to be like open uh treads, relatively transparent, and everything's going to live under those and fairly invisible to anyone who who walks around the site or or sees the development. And then as much as possible, we try to hide everything in the in the back uh so as to limit

so direct feed into the buildings and so you're not going to have lines set. Absolutely. Thank you. Yes. Yeah. And we're going to have the the structure of this is all going to be 2x6 with exterior insulation or or um insulated sheet rather. And uh so we're going to have enough space in in our walls to actually run the lines within within the walls. So yes, we don't we're not going to fix it.

Um yeah, so they're all fitting in there. And then they're also shown in the in the plans in the elevations here. uh light we can see them and and obviously in the in the elevation. So these are all the elevations showing different elevation of the buildings uh from from the courtyards from the laneways etc. Uh we also indicated the materials. Um so if you go to the last I think this last these are sections. Uh this is also um showing like the the the the fronts of the buildings on on frog alley. So again also uh the the the setback required by the by the zoning zoning requirements. are showing both the height distance from the sidewalk and the setback of the building from side itself. Um

that's the last sheet in that's the last one was there. It is I missing one. Can we go up though? Oh um Are you thinking about the civil set? Maybe thinking about the material. Maybe it's this. That was the revision too. Yeah. Was there one slide with the materials on the exterior? I think we submitted that too.

We have a legend of all the materials in the elevations. What was this material? Exactly. Uh the for what concerns the materials on the on the buildings themselves. Uh we're going to have uh the siding uh we're going to have cement siding uh with pretty wide uh with wide boards. We actually have a nice picture of a building on front street that really matches what the the design intent we have here.

Uh and then the base of the buildings again all the all the buildings have ground floor that is raised to avoid the flood plane. Uh we're going to have thin uh brick that are going to be painted rubber paint that allows transpiration etc. Uh but painted basically to match the color of of the of the siding above. So they're going to look uh consistent in in in current. And we're going to we haven't picked the exact color yet, but it's going to be an off-white for most of the most of the buildings with a darker color, maybe a green like shown in some of the renings on on the buildings uh on the north side of the of the development. And then likely a different color for what are the public more public um spaces. So the two live work units, the work part of those units are going to have a different storefront and a different color uh to really highlight the different part.

It's fine. We don't have it. It's just just a legend that indicating what the what the codes were.

So Ashley misspoke about how the public hearing was going to go for this. I asked if anybody was wanted to speak on this, but we wanted to have the presentation first. We want to do questions now and then have the public in advance. So there's anybody from the public that wants to speak on this project. We did get one um comment from Friends of Historic Kingston who um have an interest in the property across the street. Um they've just asked the board to extend the public hearing. their board doesn't meet till tomorrow evening and their board is wants to submit a comment. Okay.

They they want us to keep the public hearing open. So I don't have any objection to that at this point. More material to come in and we have um our city engineer and other agencies in in the city are reviewing the plans and the documents that have been submitted. So we'll get that feedback and get everything posted so that we'll have a complete package for January. Yeah. So, the uh archaeological survey, we could we talk about that again. We um where where are we with that? I know we've got submission here with some findings um or

Yeah. So, we exclusions or what have you. We conducted the first study and then there was suggestion that we go to take some samples across the site as opposed to having continuing uh continual uh supervision as we we go through construction and I think I sent a email over about that um but was waiting for clearance there and then we're happy uh to get the second part started hit that. So that's a that's an ongoing process then right this

we can take samples probably not now we can mobilize them in the next two weeks great but they just want to dig some some pits and some holes and just see what if there are any significant findings and then depending on what those are we go from there and friends of historic that's one of their concerns then right we'll we'll get you comments through it yes we we've already started the archaeological process and it's something that we be certainly mindful of so whatever. Okay.

Anybody have any questions from the board? Um I have a question. We we also submitted or revised the Yes. Yes.

Yes. um can pull that they um based on the con uh the board's discussion last month, they've revised um the waiver request and they've pretty much addressed most of the comments. I I believe they're all addressed. Um it did any everybody have a chance to review the new form the waiver submission that was provided online? We we looked at I looked at at staff level. I I don't have any issue with it. They've addressed a comment about making requiring of buildings that front on streets. Actually, there are the the changes that were made. Um they've referenced the Dutch heritage. That was something that the I believe you brought up. Um as far as as what the typology is all about. Um they've talked about the footprint um based on the transct underneath. Uh height is defined by the transct underneath that's underlying it. Uh building width um is defined. Now the maximum number of units is defined and the frontage. So I mean they they put in everything kind of you got to go to the next page. Um, this kind of shows this is following the format of the uh code for each building type. So, they've put in a a a rendering to try and identify what the

the beam is actual picture for the president for the project. This I believe is in Bruge. This is the moving art. Yeah, it's uh so we're we're basically taking taking the typology and and massing of these historic gods visas and hafas and just applying that to this,

right? Well, I think you've certainly, you know, we've had applicants come before us from other projects. It's just like it's a cookie cutter thing and we we we recognize that, but I I think you folks have put a lot of thought into how your site has developed and you know um the pictures you show in Europe of of similar similar setup. Um I you put a lot of thought into this. So I'm I'm inclined to go along with granting that waiver. Thank you. Thank you.

So does the board have any more questions with this uh proposed um new technology? Just it would just be for this site. That was one thing I I did identify in the notes is that your cover letter talks about it going into the formbbased code. It won't go into the formbbased code as a new building type. That's an action that the common council would take separately. This board is only looking at it for this site alone at this point. Okay. Okay. That is beautiful. Thank you.

We hope they do justice to the plans right now and we got wonderful designers who are working to make that happen and great builders and Okay. I do that. I think so. So, if there are no other questions, um I do have a resolution. Um but do you have anything else? No, I mean we'll we'll send our notes. Yes. To them working as well.

So, the resolution is to declare lead agency for this this uh project. Um resolution of the city of Kingston planning board declaring lead agency for the 25 Prague alleys SPL 56.124-1-12 in the secret process under six NYCRR part 617 whereas GBC Kingston LLC the applicant has submitted a completed short environmental assessment form to the city of Kingston planning board to construct a mixed residential development which is the action And whereas the project is located at 25 Frog Alley SPL 56.124-1-12 in Kingston, New York. And whereas the application was identified as an unlisted action under seeker. However, due to the number of agencies involved in the review, the board and the applicants are choosing to initiate a coordinated review and seek the designation of lead agency. And whereas a determination of the significance of the action on the environment must be made in order to comply with the New York State Environmental Conservation Law, which is the Seeker Act and the regulations promulgated there under in the regulations by the New York Department of Environmental Conservation. And whereas the planning board by resolution adopted on October 20th, 2025 declaring intent to seek lead agency and directed planning staff to circulate the request to all involved and interested agencies. And whereas on October 23rd, 2025, notice was emailed/mmailed to all identified involved inclusive agencies with no objections were received and that the 30-day time period has expired. Now therefore be resolved by the city of peace and planning board as follows.

Section one that pursuant to 6NYCRR 617 the city of peace and planning board hereby affirms its role as lead agency in the secret environmental review of the action as described above. Section two that all identified involved agencies will be notified of the Kingston planning board decisions as lead agency. Section three this resolution shall take effect immediately. At this time, I'll make a motion that we adopt this resolution. Do I have a second? Second by Kyra. All in favor? Wayne Platt is a yes. Vince Archer, yes. Sage Newkerk, yes. Dyra Grundy, yes. Andrew Harris,

yes. Resolution is adopted.

Okay. So, we're going to keep the public hearing open, right? And um part of the tableing here, we also uh county. Anything else in there? No, there's no work with the city. Okay. So, at this time, I'll make a motion that we table item number four, uh referring this to the county planning board. And what else you got? games the public. That is a motion. I have a second on that. Second by C. All in favor. I close. Carry.

Awesome. Thanks, gentlemen. See you soon. Yeah. Very. Happy holidays. You too. Happy holiday. Thank you. Stay warm. All right. I think it's

item five new business

uh 35 Brun Avenue site plan amendment and convert community flex space in the mix building into a commercial light indust industrial forensic physical manufacturing bakery section block is 48.82-1-7.200 200 secret determination transact zone is T5F W5. Katarina Calvin which is the Little Ry Bake House is the applicant. MHDB BFF development excuse me Developer LLC is the owner. Hi introdu state your names for the record please.

Danny Sarin with the MHB development Karina. Okay. All right. So, construction's going really well there, right? Yes. Uh um and now we want to make a modification to sign this. Yeah. It's uh

Yeah. So, we need have a it's about 1,400 square foot uh community flex space. kind of brick building in that 35 room um which is this this is a picture of it right now. Uh the community flat space it's resident lounge. It's always intended to be a new building which is the underneath building. Um we originally thought it would kind of be better in the old adaptive reuse but after you know working through like our operating plan we really thought it'd make a lot more sense to have it within the the building with all the apartments in it. So on that building, we have 3,000 ft of commercial along Cornell. That way we divide it into three commercial units. Um we would like to kind of move that resident lounge onto Cornell. People there coffee all day, work from home, and then in the back. So yeah. So sorry for moving around so quick. I was just giving the

This is perfect. This is perfect for now. So uh that's that's Cornell uh along the front over there. That's Brun, which is the dead end. And then in the f over here is a brick barrel factory adapted for use. So in where we had the residential lounge about the same size, we're moving the resident lounge into the new building for one of the commercial spaces. And then that all the where we have the resident lounge, we now want to make a commercial bakery of the red bake house which um I guess Jeff Terry got to give you

the space you're moving into. You're going from a 1,400 foot to a,000 square foot. So you don't feel that that's an impact as an amenity to the overall project cutting it by a third? Um, I I don't think it'll be it's going to be too huge of a a difference where there was already bunch of space in there. We're going to be able to get all the furniture that we had and get the same amount of space. Okay. Oh, yeah. Talk about my space, too. Um,

so I have a small retail space on Broadway over here. Um, I've grown from I started this cubbies the bar next door renting their kitchen while I built my business started very small farmers market bunch of other farmers markets and over the past you know four years I've been doing this I've bounced around renting kitchens all over the Hudson Valley um from other bakeries and other bakeries shared spaces and um this was the first opportunity where I could be right around the corner for my shop kitchen space um that I could, you know, complete some of my dreams of opening to the public to host pie making classes, different classes within um our other like, you know, food members in my community at the uh farmers markets and just, you know, generally in Kingston community. So this was this will be the first time I have known kitchen space. It's super low impact. I'll say I have three partner employees plus myself. Um right now I rent from underneath cheese louise on 28 which I also share with other kitchens. Um I part of why I need a bigger space is uh so small that I can't even work there with my staff when my staff's there. So I've been working nights. I have a 18-month-old, so it's really complicated, but um this, you know, this will be it'll be three bakers plus me at any given time. We don't need to all work together. The same, you know, just anytime.

What hour would you be on? Um, so usually we're there, I would say, um, Tuesdays through Sundays from like 6:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. And then when we do start teaching classes, those would be, you know, 2hour classes, some after school classes potentially. You know, I'd have some child care friends who are interested in doing after school classes as well. Also, nothing, you know, the in the le in the lease we said nothing after um 8:00 p.m. So classes would maybe be 6:00 to 8 if they ever went later. But operating hours for like my actual baker's never goes past 4 5:00,

but no retail. No, not it would be the classes would be like what would be allowed public and as of now it would just be um you know production. And we do wholesale farm markets and shop and mechanicals benting. Um I know

so I I um I only do pie pastry. I only use electric oven. So um that you know I've talked to Corey through do and in a lot of places I've worked before but um it's with an electric oven you don't need any ventilation because and especially without any grease lighting vapors um which we don't use because we don't have any you know like friars or any cooking like that going on. How how big is this oven? Um, it's a double convection. So, it's like it's probably this big and then they're just like two stacks on top of one another. And it's just it's just one that

we were required to have it with our convection if it's gas. No, ours is electric. Oh, really? And that was a discrepancy I found two years ago between Department of Health and Build. I wasn't told that I needed that through the Department of Health. It was a building department. They required it and they did it when they did that background. Yeah. We recently inspections they hadn't done it with like facility that just might come up. Oh and I know the cost of it. So talk to building if you're if you're going to go in assuming you're not going to need a hood at all. I would double check.

I like call I called like I called Cory and then I called the fire department too. Um I don't know that I talked to I talked to the fire department though and building safety building safety. Yeah. How I mean I'll you know have you so you haven't spoken to them at all about

I don't think so. Um you know I've spoke to do who like you know deals with it all the time and he told me this like the specifics behind it. cuz I mean I think that might be your your first step to maybe do that to see what you're going to need as as far as exhaust or where the building's well like relatively new. So we're well set up to get the ventilation into that space pretty easily if you have to. There's actually like a like the and right above that

the building is a historic building too. So any perforation of that structure would have to be reviewed by the HLPC locally and because it it may require ship out reveal. Yeah. I mean I'm hopefully if we have to do that we could maybe go like there through that storage it goes store straight up through like laundry room and like down the ceiling. So there's there it's uh it's actually pretty well set up to do that without a lot of additional impact and not going to have or anything like that.

So you're so you're going to jump right in a little bit here. So you're looking to do your baking here but still do having the the brick and mortar on Broadway to retail. Literally just retail. Yeah. There's not no baking going on there. Okay. So you're you're still keeping that spot over there for retail? Yes.

Okay. And part of the, you know, if there is a need for, you know, aside from Shipo or landmarks getting involved, um, you know, we do have residents over there that will, you know, they're going to be in there, right? So, we want to make sure that there's no odors that are going to be wafting over into, you know, to your your buildings or any noise. How's how's the I don't I don't even know what what kind of noise is generated from this. So noise isn't an issue and we're there in the morning 7 days a week. So there's residents of I look to you for this guidance on that.

That's never been an issue for us. I would say the only thing that and it's not even an issue. It's just something that's reality. She's going to be baking there and they're going to be delivering her products there. So deliveries like it comes on big trucks and so as long as there's I mean even parking isn't really an issue. It's such a walkable area. I think people would really like it there. But I delivery trucks are going to come through.

Yeah. I get um I get one delivery a week from Bor which um is a box truck and I mean they right now like they come in and out from behind us Louise takes maybe 5 minutes. CN how would they how would the delivery work on at this site because there's I think you said like down at the very if they went down to the end of they can stay on per there's usually a lot of places to stay and then there's just a direct walkway kind of across that commercial tendency which is now a salon with the with the ramp and they use truck it's pretty sure

so they'll deliver and what about raw product going out would you do the same thing park I mean, right now it's just me with my soup through loading it up with a couple pies loads of pie boxes. You grow that lower bar all the time. Like it's just it's just something that just it works and we make it we make it work. But you're not expecting, you know, I mean I drop off at my shop on Broadway in right right in Midtown every weekend. this. But when you increase your volume, which you will, this will definitely grow your business. You know, those are all really good problems to have.

Yeah. I mean, I'll say the goal with this is not to grow my output as it is to grow like having a community and having baking classes and having you know more more like more of an access point for things like that that like you know create a more food centric environment like yeah that can bring people together as opposed to me really worried you know I'm not like as worried about production production and becoming a bigger brand or anything. It's more it's the community aspect of me. What about signage?

I don't I wasn't I wasn't admitting anything, you know, probably just like bigger on the window. We're pretty limited because the the shipo approvals, too. So, it's we might have something, but it'll be a follow on and this won't just be open for the public to walk into. People are coming in there. It'll be they'll have scheduled classes. Yes. Okay. Yes. The odor is not necessarily the worst. Uh someone's day. No. And I, you know, I was going to say that is probably, you know, unless you're burning something accidentally, you know, it's probably

You could go ask the liquor store next to Louis and they'll tell you they smell pine. Although might just start selling more.

Um so what where are we then we're well um you're working with engineering on pre-treatment issue that would be a condition too. I don't know that's going to Sorry. With what engineering with what?

Um because it's commercial bakery, there's a pre-treatment program in the city of Kingston um for the sanitary sewage. So, I know the forms were sent to you and I believe you're working with Keith in that department um to get that completed. So, that would be something. Um, you know, I'd like to get the building department's take on this to find out, you know, what the requirements are going to be, um, for the space. I am a little bit, you know, on the fence about it. Um, you know, moving the, um, community space, which was supposed to be flex space for not only, you know, using, you know, your computer and having coffee, but a space for community events and things to happen, too. moving it to Cornell Street, which is a a really was set up to be a retail space and not not, you know, set aside for community space. It's a smaller space. Um, not, you know, where it's located now. There's an outdoor patio. There's, you know, the amenities are there for more interactive, I think, community activities. Um, and it's, you know, it's interior. It's not on a street front. So, has a little bit of privacy there, you know, that kind of thing. I'm I'm curious why the space on Cornell, which is a little bit smaller, a third smaller, wouldn't be suitable for this activity, you know, going in there versus on the interior.

Well, I mean, the I guess it's it's too it's too the the main thing is I guess counter is ready to to move and take the space. So that building is not going to be completed for another several months and we kind of want to make it work. But um just from like more of the planning perspective, community space you're you're talking about, we have been showing the commercial space along Cornell, there is, you know, we want to make that a walkable street. There is still a concern about parking. There's no parking on Cornell. They kind of have to go to either all the way to Smith or all the way to Broom. Whereas the spots back there do have um a lot of parking. So it's a little bit more desirable for retail in a despite the the visit the visibility and on top of that we you know having the same building is a pretty big benefit and we think it'll be a lot to actually activate the street um there will be people you know laptops during the day you know work like do working from home while little coffee set up there'll be people there they'll be walking around to those other retail spots over there and you know I know you want to draw outside people But that'll also bring more action to the street. Um, you know, walking down the street, you'll see a bunch of people in a in a building. It'll make it kind of feel more more more open. Sometimes also too since you're going to be going to the building department, ask them also to probably about the size or capacity for a grease trap because I had I had some discrepancies with that too. Um, and this is all recent and it was all during a lot of the changes and I think that there may just be some different requirements when it comes to food safety and handling and then building safety and

regulations on race size. Is this where is this all part of the pre-treatments too or is it No, she's talking about building code issues if you're going to call an ass just cuz it's another large expense which those kinds of surprises are sometimes you know it'll make or break. You'd rather know. Now, we've had some conversations with them about the other building for heavier, you know, uh, stone cooking. And I I didn't get a sense that that they I thought like a lot of sto cooking, a lot of frying is what it got.

It's butter, it's sugar, it's it's butter is grease and it goes in the air. Yeah. for like I mean anywhere I've worked where it's um you know there's no frying there's no like you know just straight bakery we've had the like above ground ones that just like basically exists as a box like right next to your three bay sink and it collects the grease there you can clean yourself or like they just have a company that comes in right

out same thing as a grease trap I'm just saying it's a smaller and it's like 500 bucks like you know and it's nothing like crazy but that's at least in anywhere I've worked cuz I've worked in restaurant kitchens that do have fryers and stuff but I'm saying at least in the bakery capacity as I've worked in that have things like that it's like less it's not as huge of an expense like a whole underground system or anything. So, here's where I am. Um um I'm glad that we have somebody who has a a storefront in Kingston, is wanting to stay in Kingston to do this kind of work. Um I do hear you about the reduction in size of the the community space. um solved trying to balance out that those those two components, but I also am wanting to hear um you know with when you go to building safety, what they're going to tell you you need to have in there and how that affects any applications with changes with Shipo or HLPC. So, how do we tie all and this is how I I don't know how everybody else feels on the board, but how do we tie all this thing into where we go from here? Does it have to we have them come back for another do we table this or is this if we do decide to move forward

the building safety division says could be you know could be a game changer or not? I don't know. um you know that is something I I really want you to yeah follow up with and it's um as as Kyra said it could be some additional requirements that you're not aware of that are going to be needed for your equipment for building modifications and that's um there's something to be said about that

and I don't want to delay what your plans or or anything like that, but you know, this this is a step that need I think needs to happen first. We'd be glad to if we do decide the table, I'd be glad to have you folks come back and and give us an update on what you found with building safety and how that affects the HLPC. Um and uh I'm, you know, I'm inclined to move forward with it, but I I still have those questions um in my mind. So, how I don't know how the rest of the board feels about it.

I agree. I think that the staffing at the building department is pretty vast. Like, there's a lot of people in that building. And so, I have experience like you probably already have two. You can go in and ask a question and you're going to talk to one person. You can go and look at something online. I would maybe just recommend like creating like an email thread so that you have a singular person that you know who you're getting the information from because the person that comes out to do the final inspection or preliminary inspection could be totally different and that's honestly something that I've experienced and so I just wouldn't be surprised if there was some sort of surprise better be to learn now than later. I mean, do we need to table it or can we vote on it with the condition, you know, if there is does not need to be a change to the building and what we voted on goes and then if it does, it has to come back here.

We'll pay for the very we can get it straight up. So it's not going to be a ship, but we will definitely have those conversations that obviously. Um the other the other question that the uh older woman um was talking about was the chillers, you know, with the um so you're not putting any kind of a indoor

refrigeration walk. I don't I have a like reach in so it's basically like your home refrigerator but just like a bigger but a yeah I mean I don't have a need for a walk in right now you know that's something that maybe down the line but I would obviously you know cross but right now it's walking and her concern was based on the noise that's generated right yeah so I mean if we do this with with, you know, move it move it along with conditions if um

yeah, I think it'll help her speed along the process, too. Sorry. No, I just change it does change and the people change sometimes and just like it's better to just

I don't know. You're right. on one email address too. So you can be like looking at this and that has made it so much easier. Um because you get excited you could just call with a quick question and somebody's like oh sure that's not a problem you email from Cy talk to them. I'm like okay. Yeah, it's they're really they're both, you know, will get you the information that you need, but they just don't like there's two different lanes there. Building safety and then farm health. Okay.

So, I would have um it would be the conditions would be no outward modifications to building. Um that's no mechanicals outside, no venting to the outside. um the building safety division review of all of the equipment to determine if there would be any need for venting or other accommodation um as far as fire separation etc. Um that all deliveries and product will be done from a Brewan Avenue parking uh perspective. There's no signage planned at the time at this time. Hours are 6 to 6 with classes running possibly 6 to 8.

I didn't get the days in there. Um Tuesday, Sunday. Yeah, today is Sunday. And you said no retail. There's no retail again. Was that a part of your I didn't, but I'll put it in there. But you said right retail. Okay. It may, you know, it may be something we go back to like once the apartments come up and stuff. There's a need for it, but I don't need classes are priority. We'll see you then. Um, okay. So, how what the conditions um wait any board policies? Oh, yeah. 6 10 11 19 23 and 24.

Okay. Okay. So what Sue has illustrated here with the conditions and the board policies um is another condition that the community face is being removed. Yes. All right. So under window seeker this is a type two action. So no further review of the note is required. And again, as Sue has Sue has illustrated the board season and conditions, um, I'll formulate that into a motion to approve item number five. Oh, I need to add in the engineering retreatment.

Okay. Sorry. Okay. All right. So, that is a motion. Do I have a second? Second by Andrew. All in favor? I posted good luck.

Okay. Okay. Under old business, item number six is 21 Bluestone Court, subdivision of the lands of SS Alli Holdings LLC and uh creation of a walkable neighborhood with a minor waiver for a dead end street. Secret determination section block is 56.88-4-7. Seeing extermination transact zone SD-mf large sign standards north one SSL LLC is the applicant owner I saw where

he is. He was in the law and

it's okay. Uh Lucant is here. Welcome. Okay. Um, first I just want to ask the board members. um public hearing was closed last month. There were several additional comments that had been uh received and uh submitted by our Friday deadline of two. They were posted on the website. Has everybody had a chance to review and go through all of those comments?

Yes. Any questions?

Okay. Okay. Um, Kyla, can you pull up a drawing set? Sure. Okay. Um, one one question that had come in was regards to the the sidewalk extension from the property out to Lucas Avenue, how that um when it when it got to Lucas, how it would be treated. Um, I know we've we've discussed it. Um, I also asked engineering to take a look at that um to see how, you know, what would happen when it when it gets to Lucas Avenue. Um and they conferred with the Department of Public Works. Um and what they gave back to me was um they're going to want to see at the end there like a best I can describe it is a T-shape so that your sidewalk will come out. It won't go actually out to the street. It would stop where a normal sidewalk would stop at a three foot and then it would connect to either on either side to the promo.

So that was what came there going on. Um okay that's no problem. resolutions.

Which one can we do first? Oh, well, the secret does have to go first. But I want I mean

I know that there have been um the board has some drafted resolutions that were uh circulated. They've been um modified um just as recently as this afternoon in consultation with our corporation council. Um we need to talk about the uh recreation fee, how that is going to be assessed. is in the resolution but it should also be part of our discussion. So it may start the discussion there. Um know that there was a lot of concern about um the building types and densities. Um I will say that those are in performance with the formbbased code as it is uh written. Um and those were choices that were made by the developer. Um we've discussed that and asked for potentially changes to those and they want to stay with what they are looking at in terms of the duplexes and small multifacts um and the number. Um it's understood that should a uh property be sold to another individual um and they want to change the building type that will have to come back to the planning. So, in the adoption of a walkable neighborhood plan, you not only are approving the subdivision, you are approving the type of building construction that will be um required on every single property. Um, if that is to change, if a property owner purchases a duplex property and wants to make it a uh a single detached home, they have to

come back to the planning board and ask to amend the walkable neighborhood plan. If they purchase a duplex and want to ask for another building type of an increased density, same thing. They need to come back to the planning board. Um, anything that is three units or less will go strictly through a building department review process. If it goes to a four unit type of construction, which a small dup a small multiplex can, that will come back to the planning board for a site plan as you look at every other forplex and more in the city of Kingston. Um, so those are some points I wanted to make as well to you so you fully understand. um what you know will be going forward um in the calculation on the um rec fee the way we have come at staff level and this has involved our corporate council as well the way we've determined how to assess the direct faith find it in the resolution Yeah.

And we should preface this by saying you were you and staff and and Flip Gow were envisioning all different types of combinations of what could what could go into these buildings, right? Right. Um the possibility of those and

and the board the board can review this. It is section four in the resolutions of the WP. Um we look at the number the building lots uh with nine multiplex and six duplex. Um we equate to a minimum of 39 units. Um and that's the minimum. Um, we took that 39 and then we exempted by law the first seven units are are fully exempt with any project and that leaves 32 units. Um, assessing those at the full $3,000 per unit would be a payment in Little Park land of assessment of 96,000. Um, this no longer gets referred to parks and wreck. It is a straight fee. It used to be one that you it was up an up to amount. New legislation was passed by the common council that just assesses the full fee. There's no variation on what you're if you're providing any amenity or not. So, there's no referral to parks and recck any longer. any comment on that? Do you want to talk about um options, other options? Um do you think that that's uh a fair? Do you do you think we should be doing something different? I mean,

like I said, you there was a lot of thought put into that with how you how you arrived at that at that figure.

I'm totally I am comfortable with that. How you arrived at that based on the minimum amount of units that are going to be there right now. What's a one time? It's a one time beat. Everybody else is new to that. This Um this project will have an HOA. Um they have initiated the review the common council. Um they've started the conversation uh there and that would be uh for ultimately uh requesting the city to take over the street both the street and the sanitary sewer system. Um it's a separate discussion that's also been initiated with the water department to take over the water supply system that is extended to this um to this project. Uh the HOA um has always been um and will be the sole owner of the storm water um system as well as the on-site um management for and care of the sidewalks and and the public space, the center median so to speak that's here. Um but the HOA will have to be initially structured so that all of that infrastructure will be assume the assumed responsibility of the HOA um until it's fully constructed

um and then should you know then the city would be making the final decision as to whether or not they accept the street and the sanitary water doing the water department and then the HOA will need to get amended to remove those. Um but initially they will be required to take on ownership of everything. All right. Um we have a lot of conditions in the documents. I don't know if anybody has any questions um or want to make any discuss the project any further. Do you have any questions for the developer? We've arrived at something.

We have not. We We don't have the final number on the performance bond. Um, which will be required for all the public infra infrastructure and landscaping, lighting. Um and the way we have put it in here in the resolution is that the detailed cost estimate will need to be submitted for uh staff and review and approval of the city engineer. Um the number that is approved by the city engineer will have a 10% contingency tagged onto that which are standard protocol for us. And then that performance bond will need to be submitted in a form that's satisfactory to staff and corporation council before any permits are issued on the projects. So that that's the way we've structured it. um they can apply for periodic reductions like any other developer does uh with their project and the final release of the bond would not happen until we get certified as build plans. Mhm. So this will vote on whether or not to close out the public hearing aspect of this budget. Sorry is closed. Okay.

Yeah, the hearing was closed last month, but the letters that were written weren't in by Friday, too. They they they're part of the record, right? That's why I asked to make sure that everyone had right viewed them and if you had any questions on any of them. Do you want to say you're making? Um, no. That all makes sense to us. We even on the bond.

Um, we understand that process. We've done that process before. So, perfectly comfortable with that. We have jobs instead of low pay. Then, um, there's a 10% contingency. and sign into HOA from what was initially um sort of outlined and being just the storm water and common space and center meeting and sidewalks um being in that understanding that the the better way to go about that is to include everything including utility street for now build the street to city specs um get necessary inspections and and that sort of thing. So that way if the city does decide that they're willing to adopt the street, all that stuff has been in place during the build process and then we would remove that from the HL. If they decide not to take the street, then the HLA remains as bridge.

I know that some of the comments were on the storm water system that's been um modified. Uh there's no outfall any longer to any adjacent property. Um and that the city engineer has reviewed storm water system. Um so that is another change that has taken place in the last what three four months of design.

Um and the details were all revised and amended and the engineer has all so those are all taken care of. That was another concern. And I know the major waivers included in as part of the the resolution.

The the one waiver that is required is the for the dead end uh close and that is included with all design. We reviewed the design with the fire department and with department of public works and both of them have signed off on this. The median was cut back a little and it's slightly narrower at the end um to allow the turning radiuses that that are needed. Any comments or questions? Okay. All right. I have two resolutions. First one is a resolution of the city of Kingston planning board adopting a termination of negative declaration of environmental.

Before before you read the resolution, you should all have um parts two and three um in your packets with the seeker form, the little environmental assessment form. shine and clean up them up. Okay. Um so part one was completed and was in all of the documents that you've had um the opportunity to look at. Um have you all looked at part one? Mhm.

Okay. Um do you feel that there are any further studies or um assessments that are needed for you to make a determination?

Okay. So part two um you can review that. Um Kyla, you going to put that up or to remember where we have it here. So this Yep.

So the first question on part two is the impact on land proposed action may involve construction on or physical alteration of the land surface of the proposed site. We have indicated yes. Um a the proposed action may involve construction on land where depth to water table is less than 3 ft. Uh no or small impact may occur. We have to go with concurrence on each letter or do we everybody concurs with that? Yes.

Okay. The proposed action may involve construction on slopes of 15% or greater. No. Or small impact may occur. Good with that. Yes. The proposed action may involve construction on land where bedrock bedrock exit is exposed or generally within 5 ft of existing ground surface. No or small impact may occur. Kur D. The proposed action may involve the excavation and removal of more than 1,000 tons of natural material. No. Or small impact may occur. Agreed.

Agree. Yeah. The proposed action may involve construction that continues for more than one year or multiple phases. There's moderate to large impact that may occur. We all concur with that. Yeah, the proposed action may result in increased erosion whether from physical disturbance or vegetation removal including from treatment by herbicides. No or small impact may occur. Agree. Agreed.

G the proposed action is or may be located within a coastal erosion hazard area with that. Mhm. Two, impact on geological features. The proposed action may result in the modification or destruction of or inhibit access to any unique or unusual land forms on the site. Examples are cliffs, dunes, minerals, fossils, or caves. Answer is no. Are you all concerned with that?

Agree. Three. Impacts on surface water. The proposed action may affect one or more wetlands or other surface water. Examples are streams, rivers, ponds or lakes. The answer is no. Confir with that. We agree. Four impact on groundwater. The proposed action may result in new or

comment on this one. I think the last one should have been yes. And then the other impacts that's listed here which is the DEC jurisdictional letter um for wetlands they received that. So the last one three would have been a yes with the other impact of do you understand what I'm saying?

Yes. Yeah. Okay. So you need to initialize it. only here. So you have to answer all Afghan apply for and receive the wetland jurisdiction letter. That would be small to moderate impact and then the impact on groundwater would be no and the other is not an issue.

So the past I got to go back to impact on land. impact on Garrett for five. Yeah, but I didn't read this part in here. That was the That was the one I changed. I moved that up to there.

All right. So, moving on to five impact on flooding. The proposed action may result in development on land subject to flooding. And the answer there is yes. Um moving into item D on there is the proposed action may result in or require modification of the existing drainage patterns. Um no or small impact may occur. We concur with that three and G. Yeah.

Uh other impacts, storm water, this is still on five. Storm water is being addressed so that no postdevelopment runoff will exceed pre-development and that is no or small impact may occur. We concur with that. Agreed. Agreed.

Impacts on air. The proposed action may include a state regulated air emission source. The answer is no. We can cover that in reading. uh seven impact on plants and animals. The proposed action may result in a loss of flora or fauna. The answer is yes. A the proposed action may cause reduction in population or loss of individuals of any threatened or endangered species as listed by New York State or the federal government that use this site or are found on over or near the site. Uh we have no or small impact may occur. We agree with that.

Thank you. B. The proposed action may result in a reduction or degradation of any habitat used by any rare, threatened, or endangered species as listed by New York State or the federal government. No or small impact may occur. Agreed. Agreed. Agreed. The proposed Mr. C. The proposed action may cause reduction in population or loss of individuals of any species of special concern or conservation need as listed by New York State or the federal government. They use this site or are found on, over, or near the site. No or small impact may occur. Agreed. Agreed.

We agree. The proposed act the proposed action may result in reduction or degradation of any habitat used by any species of special concern and conservation need as listed by the New York state or federal government. No or small impact may occur. We agree. Agreed. E. The proposed action may diminish the capacity of a registered national natural landmark to support the biological community it was established to protect. No or small impact may occur. Agreed. Agreed.

F. The proposed action may result in the removal of or ground disturbance in any portion of a designated significant natural community. Uh no or small impact may occur. Agreed. Agreed. Great. Uh, what letter am I on here? So, F. No, G. G. Which one? G. Oh, F. You're right. F. F.

No. Um, the proposed action may result in removal of or ground disturbance in any portion of a designated significant natural community. No. Or small impact may occur. Agreed. Agreed. Agreed.

G. The proposed action may substantially interfere with nesting, breeding, foraging, or overwintering habitat for the predominant species that occupy or use the project site. No. or storm impact may occur. Agreed. H. The proposed action requires the conversion of more than 10 acres of forest, grassland, or any other regionally or locally important habitat. No. Or small impact may occur. Agreed.

Agreed. Agreed. I proposed action that commercial, industrial or recreational projects only involves use of herbicides or pesticides.

No or small impact may occur. Agreed. Agree. Agree. Section 8. Impact on agricultural resources. The proposed action may impact agricultural resources. The answer is no. Fair with that. Agreed. Nine, impact on aesthetic resources. The land use of the proposed action are obviously different from or are in sharp contrast to current land use patterns between the proposed project and a scenic or aesthetic resource. The answer is no. We agree. Agree.

We agree. 10. Impact on historic or archaeological resources. Proposed action may occur in or adjacent to a historic or archaeological resource. The answer is no. Agreed. 11. Impact on open space and recreation. The proposed action may result in a loss of recreational opportunities or a reduction of an open space resource as designated in any adopted municipal open space plan. Answer is no. Correct. Agreement.

12. Impact on critical environmental areas. The proposed action may be located with within or adjacent to a critical environmental area. The answer is no. We agree.

13. Impact on transportation. The proposed action may result in a change of existing transportation systems. The answer is yes. We agree with that. Okay. Uh A in this section is projected traffic increase may exceed capacity of existing road network. No. Or small impact may occur. We agree. Agreed. Okay. B. The proposed action may result in the construction of paved parking area for 500 or more vehicles. No. Or small impact may occur. Agree. Agreed.

Great. Proposed action will degrade existing transit access. No. Or small impact may occur. Agree. The proposed action will degrade existing pedestrian or bicycle accommodations. No. Or small impact may occur. Agreed. Agreed. E is the proposed action may alter the present pattern of movement of people or goods. No. or a small impact may occur. We agree with that. Agreed. Agreed.

F other impacts. Traffic traffic analysis completed in 2021 deemed satisfactory to demonstrate no impact if no or small impact may occur. We agree with that. Agreed. Agreed. 14. Impact on energy. The proposed action may cause an increase in the use of any form of energy. Answer is yes. Agreed. Okay. Okay. The proposed action will require a new or an upgrade to an existing substate. No. Or small impact may occur. Agreed. Agreed.

Agreed. B. The proposed action will require the creation of, excuse me, the creation or extension of an energy transmission or supply system, serve more than 50 single or two family residences, or to serve a commercial or industrial use. No. Or small impact may occur. Agree. Agree. C. The proposed action may utilize more than two 2500 megawatt hours per year of electricity. No or small impact may occur. Agreed. Agreed.

Agreed. The proposed action may involve heating and or cooling of more than 100,000 square ft of building area when completed. No or small impact may occur. Agreed. Agreed. 15. impact on noise, odor, and light. The proposed action may result in an increase in noise, odors, or outdoor lighting. The answer is yes. We agree with that. Agreed. A. The proposed action may produce sound above noise levels established by local regulation. No. Or small impact may occur. Agreed. Agreed.

B. The proposed action may result in blasting within 1500 ft of any residence, hospital, school, licensed, daycare center, or nursing home. No. Or small impact may occur. Agreed. We agreed. C. The proposed action may result in routine odors for more than one hour per day. No. Or small impact may occur. Agreed. Agreed. D. Their proposed action may result in light shining onto adjoining properties. No or small impact may occur. Agreed. Agreed. Agreed.

E. The proposed action may result in lighting creating sky glow brighter than existing area conditions. No. Or small impact may occur. Agreed. Agreed. Agree. The impact on human health. Number 16. The proposed action may have an impact on human health from exposure to new or existing sources of contaminants. The answer is no. We agree with that. Agreed.

Agree. 17. Consistency with community plans. Proposed action is not consistent with adopted land use plans. The answer is no. We agree with that. Agreed. Agreed. 18. Consistency with community character. The proposed project is inconsistent with the existing community character. The answer is no. Do we agree with that? Agreed. Agreed.

All right. That completes this. People are going to be taking turns these rob.

Yeah, it's going to be that's why Robert's over here. Um, just have to be ready. Yeah, just you in your in your part two you had answered the one question under impact on land. Um it read the proposed action may involve construction that continues for more than one year or any phases. You answered that with a moderate to large impact may occur. So that requires you to provide a verbal finding in part three. So you can read the I'm going to read this. Yes, statue makes your finding.

All right. So the reason supporting this determination one questions I one question identified under the FAF was marked as with a quote moderate to large impact may this is the question of whether the project construction may continue for more than one year or in multiple phases. The project is proposed to be a 15 lot subdivision with a new road. The applicants noted a timeline of 12 to 24 months. The initial work will include construction of the roadway with utilities. After completion, it is unknown whether the residential building will be constructed at one time or whether the parcels will be sold and constructed overtime. This could result in a construction for more than one year or in multiple phases. The city of Kingston noise ordinance is in effect to limit disturbance to neighbors for extended periods of time at night, weekends, and holidays. Any deviation from the noise ordinance will require a noise permit. Construction entrances and perimeter fencing will be installed with screening along the Blue Stone Court side of the project is being developed as a walkable neighborhood under the city of Kingston formbbased code. Under the plan, the use of each property is defined specifically with a building type. Any deviation from this type of new construction will require that the owner of the property return to the planning board to seek authorization. Confirm that there is a continued compliance and no thresholds of the current review are exceeded. Otherwise, seeker review may be reinitiated to address.

So, um the seeker status is effect one. to the back of the screen too. Um portions of the EF completed for this project for part one, two, and three. Upon review of the information recorded on SBA as noted, plus this additional support information, subdivision and walkable neighborhood plans, the swift wetland jurisdictional review, DEC, and public comment. And considering both the magnitude and importance of each identifying potential impact, there's the conclusion of the city of Kingston planning board as lead agency that a this project will result in no significant adverse impacts on the environment and therefore environmental impact statement not be prepared. Accordingly, this negative declaration is issued. All right. Now we want to resolution. Yeah. Australia.

Okay. Resolution of the city of Kingston Planning Board adopt adopting a determination of negative declaration of environmental significance 21 Bluestone Court section block and lot 56.88-4-7 88-4-7 under the seeker process 6NYCRR part 617 whereas SSLI Holdings LLC the applicant has submitted a complete part one of the full environmental assessment form to the city of Kingston planning board to subdivide a 2.698 698 acre parcel into 15 residential lots for the purposes of creating a walkable neighborhood plan as defined under the city of Kingston foreignbased code section 405.25 large site standards in parenthesis the action and whereas the project is located at 21 bluestone court Kingston New York SPL56.88-4-7 88-4-7. And whereas although the applicant, excuse me, the application is considered unlisted action under 6 NYCRR part 617, which is the New York State Department conservation seeker. It is recognized as a type one action by the Ster County Department of Health pursuant to New York State Department of Health criteria and therefore must be treated as such. And whereas after receiving no objections, the planning board adopted a resolution dated March 17, 2025, declaring themselves as lead agency in the seeker review and considered all documentation submitted to determine significance of the action on the environment in compliance with the New York State Environmental Conservation Law, the seeker and the regulations promulgated there under which are the regulations by the New York Department of Environmental Conservation.

6NYCRR part 617. And whereas the applicants have submitted plans and applications submitted as well as additional information requested by the planning board, including New York State BEC wetland jurisdictional determination in September 16, 2025. Storm water pollution prevention plan updated September 2025. Minor waiver application for deadend roadway se September 1st 2024. Traffic study documentation is filed under multifamily proposal and accepted by the planning board as satisfactory in 2021. Applicant responses to the city engineers review of plans and documents October of 2025. Plan updates reflect reflecting the requirement of city fire department for turnaround area and hydrant placement street lighting spec specifications from November 11th, 2025 and Kingston water department comment on installation and procedure. Whereas the findings and recommendations of the above documents were applicable and be incorporated. And whereas planning board the planning board conducted a public hearing opening on March 17th, 2025 and closing at the November 17th, 2025 meeting. said hearing produced verbal and written comments all made part of the record and which have been reviewed and considered by the board resulted in certain plan changes being incorporated to address some of the points and concerns received. And whereas the board circulated for comment and reviewed and considered statements received from the Olster County Planning Board and City Parks and Recreation Commission. And whereas the board completed and incorporated parts two and three of the

FEAF and whereas the board has reviewed a negative declaration notice of determination along with all supporting plans and documents as herein identified and as noted on the attached schedule A. Now therefore be resolved by the city of Kingston planning board as follows. Section one that pursuant to 6NYCRR part 617, the city of Kingston planning board hereby renders a determination of ne negative environmental significance recognizing all conditions as described with the document presented and and adopts the negative determination is final. Section two that all identified involved and interested agencies will be notified of the Kingston planning board determination of this decision. Section three, that the planning office, Dr. Kingston planning office is directed to submit notice to the state environmental news bulletin for publication as required by the statute. Section four, that this resolution shall take effect immediately. Make a motion that we adopt this resolution. We have a second. Second by Vince Archer. Uh all in favor, Wayne Platt. Yes. Vince Archer.

Yes. Sage Newer. Yes. Andrew Harris, yes. Kyra Grande, yes.

We still uh this is adopted. Okay. See you. All right. Resolution of the city of Kingston Planning Board approving a subdivision and multiple neighborhood plan with a new street and supporting infrastructure and a minor waiver for a dead end street at number 21 Bluestone Courts of Kingston, New York 12401 SPL 56.88-4-7. Whereas SL SS SL I S SLI Holdings LLC applicant submitted applications, plans, and other supporting documentation to the city of Kingston planning board's board for subdivision of a 2.7 acre parcel, creation of a walkable neighborhood plan for WNP and approval of a minor waiver for a dead-end street under the city of Kingston formbbased code. for his action and whereas the action is located at number 22 Bluestone Court SPL56.88-4-7 in the city of Kingston and whereas the board determined the action to be a type one action as adopted by the Olster County Health Department under seeker pursuant to six NYCRR part 617. The application underwent a coordinated review process for planning board resolution October 21st, 2024 uh with the planning board lead agency role under planning board resolution March 17th, 2025. And whereas pursuant to 6yc

617 board adopted as a final determination of non significance a resolution dated September 8th and whereas the action requires a mined waiver for a dead end street meeting the requirements of the section 1405.25.2 of form based code. However, at the determination of the planning administrator, set waiver is to be considered by the planning board in consideration of the required planning board actions and reviews involving a 15 mile subdivision with a new road and infrastructure and approval of a WNP. And whereas the applicant submitted applications and supporting documentation and review was initiated at the October 21st, 2024 planning board meeting followed by further review at planning board meetings of March 17, 2025, April 21st, 2025, and November 17, 2025. Discuss new and supplemental materials provided. And whereas the board opened a public hearing on March 17th, 2025 for a subdivision and walkable neighborhood plan with minor waiver, which remained open until it was closed at the at the November 17th, 2025 planning board meeting. Said hearing produced verbal and written comments along with responses to comments from the applicant andor their representatives. all made part of the record and having been reviewed by the board and applicant resulted in certain plan changes to address some of the points and concerns received. And whereas the board has reviewed and considered with comments from the city engineer, city fire chief, Kingston water department, Kingston conservation advisory council, Olster County Planning Board and the applicant's responses. And whereas the board did not require a separate traffic impact analysis recognizing the traffic analysis completed under the previous application for a multif family housing development in 2021. And whereas all

documentation outlined in attachment a review document listing dated December 8th, 2025 and public comments both written and oral testimony along with associated responses are made part of this review in their full form. And whereas all comments, supporting documentation, plans, relevant studies, and meeting documents are posted to this city of Kingston website for access by the public. And whereas the action was referred to the Olster County Planning Board, and a recommendation was returned under referral number 2025-042 and 043 dated 42 2025. Now there award be it resolved by the city of Kingston planning board as follows. Section one. After thorough review of all documentation and associated agency comments, the board votes to approve the subdivision and walkable neighborhood plan utilizing the T3N designation with the creation of 15 residential building lots for nine small multiplexes and six as specified on the WP drawing set revision 16 dated November 21st, 2025 and to construct a new dead entry. with lighting, install sewer and water extensions, storm water infrastructure and pedestrian accommodations, landscaping, and establish a homeowners association with conditions as identified in the following statements. Section two, approval shall include all conditions as follows. Submission of a detailed cost estimate of all site improvements for review and approval of the city engineer, including a standard 10% contingency to the bottom line for purposes of defining the amount to be set for the required performance bond. Submission of the required performance bond in a form satisfactory to the planning staff and corporation council in the amount as prescribed by the city engineer before any permits are issued for work. Periodic reductions in the

performance bond are permitted with documentation of work completed and accepted by the city. Final release of the performance bond shall proceed to a certified asville plan certified asville plans and engineering Kingston water DPW sign off as required. No final certificate of occupancy shall be issued until all site improvements and infrastructure complete in full and asbuilt plans are submitted and signed off. All improvements within any public rightway shall have final sign off and associated permits issued by the uh Department of Public Works and have sign off of design prior to construction including required profiles and construction inspection during project and final acceptance by the city engineer. full compliance with the contents of the SWIP dated September 2025 along with supplemental reports and calculations and engineering requirements. Final sign off from the water department is required. The applicants work directly with the KWD on the final layout of services and provisions for water easement from Lucas Avenue into the property and will work with the water board on extension and dedication of the water line reference 1225 email from M. Dard KWD Superintendent Compliance with the requests of the Kingston Fire Chief, including those outlined in email dated 12:30 2025. The central median will serve as part of the storm water collection system and will further contribute to the required public open space and provide pedestrian seating and a pathway that will connect beyond the median out to Lucas A through a sidewalk installation and all meeting ADA regulations. Each selection shall include a a D-restriction requiring a driveway for a minimum of two off- streetet parking spaces behind the front facade of the primary building. The

following board policies are hereby incorporated. Policy one 1 A don't need to read what each of these are. Can I just policy 2, 2 A, policy 3, 3, and 3 B. Policy 4, 4 A. Policy 6. Policy 7. Policy 8, 8 A, 12, 13, 13 A, 14, 14 A, 17, 17 A, 18, 20, 22, 24, 25. Conformance with all plans, documents, and specifications as defined by attachment A review documents dated December 8th, 2025, unless otherwise noted herein. Creation of the homeowners association offering plan submitted in the city of Kingston for review and filed with the attorney general for approval. The HOA shall be responsible for all shared spaces as shown in the final plans, including but not limited to streets, sidewalks, landscaping, public amenities, storm water systems, etc. Unless and until the city of Kingston common council and this Kingston water board accept dedication of the street and associated the shall be responsible for the shall be the responsibility of the HOA. This approval does not in any way suggest or imply the city will accept future dedication of any streets, utilities, amenities or shared spaces. Therefore, the HOA HOA shall be file filed with the clause to include the roadway, street lighting, refuse, and recycling collection, snow removal, maintenance, and utilities.

Keep going. Keep going. Good. I don't want to keep going.

As the bill, drawings will be certified by a design professional and provided to the planning office for all newly constructed and installed plan elements prior to any final bond receal certificate of occupation. Submit copies of filed easement agreements. Proof of filings is required prior to issuance of any building permits. The subdivision and new property deed shall be filed at the Alter County Clerk's Office with proof of filing provided to the city planning office prior to the issuance of any permits. A street name will be created following the procedures set by Olster County Emergency Services. Final roadway designs and details will require signoff by the city engineer. The applicants can pursue dedication as a city street through the city of Kingston common council compliance with all mitigation measures as defined in the in the adopted negative declaration of environmental significance of December 8th, 2025 by the board. All properties designated for the development with small multiplex building type shall follow architectural standards outlined under section 405.14 C through 405.14G of the formbbased code. And the board strongly encourages all duplex building types to do the same. No building permit for a new house for no building permit for new housing shall be issued until the following items are completed. HOA is formally established with approved offering plan filed with the city assessor, planning office, and city clerk. Roadway constructed along with all required improvements including curbage, signage, drainage, and lighting to the satisfaction of the appropriate city agencies. full storm water systems complete and deemed satisfactory to the DPW and city engineering. Kingston water department sign off on construction portable water supply system and any necessary components including fire hydrants, backflow devices, etc. Any and all amendments to all filed HOA offering plan will be submitted to the city of Kingston assessor for review prior to filing with the state. Final amendments shall be filed with the assessor after

approvals. The sidewalk extension ending at Lucas shall be finished in a T configuration but provides for future connectivity in future connectivity in the future. Permit shall be obtained from DPW for all work in the public run. Section four. The board defines that this anticipated increase in population as defined by creating 15 residential building lots containing nine small multiplexes and six duplexes duplex building types equating to a minimum of 39 units shall cause a need for continued upkeep and improvement to park facilities which recreational opportunities to residents. Recognizing that the project does offer private open space as required for each building type, these increases in housing and population require strategic planning to meet the needs of our residents and provide high quality life experiences for all. Each impact, small or large, must be taken into consideration so the city can best prepare for the future of our community spaces and offerings. The board recognizes that the recreation trust fund is utilized to help supply and maintain playgrounds, pavilions, and amenities, contribute back to the city's parks and programs, which allows for the recreation department to enhance its recreational opportunities to meet the growing community needs. The board hereby directs the applicant to remit a payment in l of parkland to be placed into the recreation trust fund, the amount determined as followed, noting that no permits of any type shall be issued until the fee is submitted to the city of Kingston. Considering a minimum gain of 39 units in total, the planning board makes the following decision. 39 units exempt the first seven units. Section 405.21 Q of the formbbased code leaves a balance of 32 units. Assessed the full $3,000 per unit for the final payment in global parkland assessment imposed for this development is $96,000. This payment amount is set and once paid is non-refundable. If the minimum unit

count is increased as a result of change in building types, the applicant will be assessed a new additional fee per increased unit count and the current rate at the time of the review. Section five. The board concurs with the recommendations of the Olster County Planning Board dated April 2nd, 2025, and accepts the responses provided by the applicant via letter dated November 18th, 2025, which include required modifications for easements and storm water, lot layouts, truck access, and pedestrian and bicycle access along with an advisory comment regarding parking boulevard standard two-way design. Both documents have been part of this decision by reference. Section six, the final WNP regulation map will be transferred to the Kingston regulating map for future development. Any change to the building topography as depicted on the individual developable parcels shall be brought back to the planning board for review and consideration as an amendment to the WNP and zoning map. Section seven, development of any lot with four or more units shall return to the planning board for site plan review and approval. Section eight, the proposed dead end street requires a minor waiver from the planning administrator. However, due to the complex and thorough review associated with the walkable neighborhood plan, staff recommended that the waiver decision be considered as part of the full review of the board. Board finds the following with respect to the minor waiver, the form base code. One, dead-end streets 405.25 25 large sighted standards in Prince 2, Prince D, Prince IV. Dead end streets are not permitted unless approved as a minor waiver. Any dead end must be detailed as a as a close ins a small green area surrounded by a common driveway serving adjoining lots and should provide pedestrian connectivity to the maximum extended practiceable. Provided waiver includes a dead-end street in a one-way pattern surrounding

a landscaped median with a meanding sidewalk and benches. The street also includes an extended pulloff for emergency services and maintenance vehicles. Considerations. The site is limited in size and layout and with no potential for an additional street connection. There is only one access point on the stone fort and the connection to Lucas app is not optimal. finding. Although this is a minor waiver, the planning administrator has elevated it to be considered alongside the planning board's other review of the subdivision walkable neighborhood plan to streamline the review. After significant review of consideration of alternative con configurations and development of pedestrian and landscape accommodations, the minor waiver is granted. Section nine. The board finds that the traffic analysis and supporting documentation review of a multif family impermanment proposal is satisfactory to evaluate the impacts of the current proposal given the similarity in average unit count and no substantial change in traffic patterns or issues impact on traffic flows. Section 10 approval of the board does not eliminate the need for obtaining the appropriate permits and approvals from other boards, commissions, departments and relevant agencies. Section 11, this approval shall be valid for one year. The purpose of this meeting building section 12 resolution shall take effect immediately over. Okay. Make a motion that we adopt this resolution. Is there a second on that? Second by Andrew Harris. Roll call. Boom. Wayne Glenn is a yes. Vince Archer,

yes. Sage Newkerk, yes. Tyrick Rundy, yes. Andrew Harris, yes.

Thank you, gentlemen. Thank you. Thank you to the board. Thank you guys.

Okay. Item number seven. Oh no. Almost there.

All right. Uh 296 290 and 312 near 322 East Grand site plan to establish a cultural institution in an existing building with a with one major and access dimension and one minor waiver extra curve cuts section block 56.36-1-15 16 and 17 senior determination transact zone SD D-WB-W Morty Pens Valley Language Cultural Center Incorporated just the applicants got some team here.

Maybe you want to introduce just the three of us be fine for helping. I'm Dennis Lario, engineer for Carney. I'm the president of board director. Mike Memorial, the attorney for the prep. We got some displays up the night here, Dennis. Okay. Well, some changes from the prior month submission. Uh removed the parking here, so everything was uh at least 30 ft off the street. Added a bike rack there with a bike rack detail on the sheet, too. these uh gravel lots spaces here. As as I think you know from last month, this site is previously developed the building and the parking. Um, we reoriented the parking to make room for a refu uh and recycling area and also to make room for a public access easement to be granted to the city of Kingston 12 ft wide along our southern property boundary which currently would lead from the uh street to the old uh trolley track

and that jog there is actually your property line right is our property line. Yes, this is uh historic Kingston waterfront.

Okay. there and on both sides in central Hudson uh also between the tracks and the in the creek and we've addressed a few other comments that uh staff comments from prior month as well but not a lot of changes other than this easement re rearranging the parking This is full 12 ft. So as we talking about six and then six from the adjacent, this is just full 12 here.

We were uh told we can only go down to 12 and a half. Okay. So when the other properties developed that will take up the other half of the correct of the Oh, I thought we were talking about 12 total split between the two. It was 40 or the 12 if you were along the waterfront or any of you were Okay. So as folks as board members as as you know the when that next property is developed um that will be mirroring okay the uh the same width

yeah I mean they can they can mirror the the configuration or they can just do it a straight shot and the end will just be maybe a little wider space you know that'll be something that we'll talk about with the adjoining property owner So the one of the things would be a condition of approval would be that that right of way language for public access would require um a final approval of our corporation council that we haven't reached the actual the document has not been finalized yet. So

that would be with staff review and approval and it would get filed with the county. says bio basement. Great.

And you still have monitoring wells on this property, right? Yes. And they're shown on the plans. They run mostly on the eastern end of the property. And I know there was a sunset discussed at the previous meeting. What What was the time? We're anticipating two years, but u there is no definitive date. Okay. They were down there the other day. Well, we had a u person a consultant go down there the other day and do some testing at those wells and then we have to submit a report to D. Okay. So once so once that sunset occurs, yeah,

those things get pulled or they what do they what do they do with them? I don't think they hold but it would allow certain activities to take place in the you can disturb land and right now if you no if you at that time I mean we're not even talking about that right but yeah if there is a but you could still have events on there even just not disturbing any land yeah

why we put all the lighting on the building instead of putting coal in things like that. Yeah, the lighting is mounted to the building, the back of the building and a replacement of on this side. This would be the main entrance at this sliding gate and we as requested a waiver to keep the other two curb cuts that already exist. one really to access this end of the property in the monitoring wells and the other uh to support your public access easement. Will the sliding gate on the southern side be removed? This is a swing gate. Okay.

So, uh we leave that up to the city as far as this half of it whether they want it removed or just opened and closed. Um, obviously there's some concerns about this being so close to the building. Um, but is there an actual delineation that's on the ground to show that? But it's just

No, this is this is paved area. There's a gas regulator valve there and um some other mechanicals, but it's just close to the building. That's biggest concern. But still, you'll be able to, you know, move if you have to move equipment in and out. I mean, there's you can they can drive over that, right? That's so sure. Yeah. Yeah. That'll be that'll be all the

Any questions? Um like where where are you with the historic status? We're we're good. We're uh we were deemed eligible for listing um by and have that designation that also been provided to the building department and they'veized it and said it's fine. So we will not have to ruin the beautiful interior of that building with a lot of energy upgrades and building code current building code requirements.

So the subdivision Matt was filed but the final deed has not been filed been filed. The county still showing it as three parcels. understand it. Yeah, they probably haven't picked it up for usually couple months, three months. Yeah. And I thought I I will look through Yeah. a copy of the stamp. Um, and I I'll check and make sure that that I send it to you

because what what they're doing now is they're if they get a second map, they're not modifying the uh tax maps until the deed is actually filed. Yeah, that that was that was filed, but I it probably didn't take it up until tax status data. Okay. is they've been a quick but I will but I will look again and make sure I got it for you a copy. Okay.

And I I did speak with um Scott today. Um he's going to also be submitting revised uh interior floor plans to um conform to the actual site plan. So we'll get that consistent. So with the the public access there is is there hours that that's regulated there that will be negotiated with the city. Okay. So the swing gate will still be there swing gate that's going to that part of it will be up.

Yeah. Potentially the gate will go away and once you get the other half of the easement in place that gate will probably just disappear. So at that time would there be the hard delineation or fencing or something that would

Well, right now it's an easement. Um if you know if the city ultimately you know if if things change and the city takes title to it could be a whole different you know development I mean but until that happens um it's left as it is right now and that's something you folks were born to right to have the city take possession of that is that that was something the I think that the preference

I know we're looking into the future now But I mean that I think the preference is that the that the easement remain in place. I don't think a fee conveyance is what is anticipated in the future there. It's the city responsibility for keeping it clear of snow and stuff. Got responsible for what? Yeah,

we had one that we did for AVR years ago that we did with the planning board and with corporation council which were very involved. It was a lot bigger project than this huge project. But a lot of those same that's a a lot of those same issues still up even if it's a even if it's a small the same issue still the hills that we've done along the waterfront um

in the past they're treated somewhat like sidewalks Right. And so the the property owner will be the person who has the the land ownership takes care of this. Is all of the negotiation in the east also encompassing that getting along the trolley line too? Is that all part of that whole?

We can't control that. I'm not not that you're going to be compelled to do something, but is that is that all part of the talks on how to get that evening over you over over the lines? I don't it's not part of this discussion. The city has its own easement um along the the line there. Um it's a 99 year lease that we have. So I yeah, I'm not sure. It's not part of this ease discussion.

Well, I was against him. He's been to nowhere last month, but I can't can't do anything about it. I'm compelled. a big no. Well, I appreciate you putting it in there. These folks, anything just to wrap this up for you?

Um, no. There's no signage at at this plan at this point in time. So that in the future um you know should they decide to put anything on the building they would just need to follow the protocol for reviewbased code tells you what you can have gives you the parameters. Uh there's a review process for that. If it exceeds that then we discussed waiverss or and or variances but it wouldn't have to come back to the board if it forms.

Um you know there is no um cost estimate to determine whether a bond is required. I don't know that the site work is going to exceed $25,000. Dennis, you know the sense of that? I mean, it's some minor grading and landscaping, um, lighting, all the other lighting um, including lighting, which is going to be building mounted lighting. They might push over that.

Okay. So, what I would suggest is that they submit that detailed cost estimate to staff and if it's over 25,000 that a bottle is required. Um, if it's under, are you comfortable with not requiring one? Yeah. Yeah.

Then you get John to look at that too, right? John will have to review and approve it. Yes. Where are we the second curve cut thing? We got to do the

What are the board's thoughts on that? I think the cur cut, the second curve cut kind of allows for that apologies to be there. than that. There's a third one too on North Street. There are three total. This is the other one, right? Are they all three existing right now? Yes. Yes, they are. Oh, yeah. This was also three parcels a couple months ago. I mean, it's not like three per cur cuts all in quick succession. It's on a totally different street. Fine with that.

What about the waiver for the dimension? The dimensional waiver is that the easement technically is required to be 40 ft. They don't even they don't have 40 feet first of all between the building and the property line. So there's reasonable justification and the portion that they're putting on their lot is half of what will be part of the final easement the other. So

yeah and we've discussed that at length and how the other development's going to mirror that to complete whatever the the required easement is right there. That would be 40 feet would go 16 feet into the building. Yeah. Yeah. Everybody else is good with that.

Yeah. the the code the new code sometimes didn't anticipate adaptive reuse, you know, and things that are it almost reads like the parcels are vacant and they're, you know, they're not around it. Yeah. Things there already. Okay. All right. Um, since we're having any other questions? No.

You guys, you good? Okay. Um, under seeker or do you have anything else? No. Okay. Uh, we discussed that last month. Sorry, I got that. No, it is a type two. It says type two. Yeah. Goes on a little bit. Yeah, because it encompasses the minor waivers then, right? Do I need to put that in there? No. Yeah. Um, we're confirming it's a type two. All right. We are confirming it's a type two. So, no further review of the board is required at this time. Okay. We're confirming that.

All right. You know, when you throw extra verbiage in there, just seemed you're awake at the end of Yeah. Just imagine if I read the whole resolution. We'd still be here. Um, okay. So, Sue is going to go over the list of policies and conditions.

So, we have board policies 4, 4 A, 5, 6, 7, 10, 11, 12, 13, 18, and 24. Um the major waiver for the right ofway width is approved citing the adapted reuse of the building that 40 ft is not possible um with given uh existing location both property line and building and it's approximately half of the available space leaving um space for access to new building. The minor waiver is also recognized and approved as the The properties were three parcels. Three curb cuts preexisted and one is to be used for the public access. The conditions of the approval are that the right of way easement for public access will require corporation council and staff review and approval. Um it will be also filed at the Olster County Clerk's Office and proof of filing will be submitted to the planning. uh they'll submit an updated protocol to conform to the site plan. Any signage uh will follow the formbbased code uh protocol for review. Um and forbased code will return to the board. Um performance bond uh cost detailed cost estimate will be submitted for review and approval by the city engineer. It is over 25,000. A bond will be provided with a 10% contingency in a form suitable to corporation council staff. If it's under, no bond is required. So I have

Okay. As Susan has just mentioned, I will formulate that into a motion that we approve item number seven. I have a second. Second by Andrew Harris. Second. All in favor? I opposed. Thank you folks. Thank you very much for decision. What will you have a written decision? Yes.

Okay. sitting there. Well, how good is he? He picked a good one. I said I said like in Luke's project took four years and tonight was not all I know is I heard