Common Council - Regular Meeting

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All right. It's Monday, July 6th, 827 p.m. And we're moving into caucus now for July. And I'm going to start off with Resolution 96, authorizing City of Kingston to expend $31,000 from the recreational fee through their, I'll let Michael, your name, financial care, discuss these issues.

So this is, sorry, I'm just trying to pull it all up. This is moving money from the rec fund in the amount of $31,172 to cover solar panels on the barn of the Bullockside Nature Center. I can answer any questions about it, but I actually do kind of want to discuss it. Does it include storage? I don't believe it does. A shame. Um, I actually, so I brought this up in the finance committee meeting and didn't really push it, but I thought more about it. And I do really think this is an inappropriate use of rec funds. Um, uh, 10% of the rec fund that we have left. So it's taking quite a substantial amount of it for something that sure may Be within the letter of the use of direct funds, but to me, it kind of violates the. The principle of direct fund, I don't think it advances recreation. So, I just, I would prefer to send it back to committee so we could find an alternative. funding source for it. Because I just think, especially if we're going to spend $200,000 managing a field with Forsyth Park for soccer, it just feels like there's better uses of those limited funds. So I would recommend that we send it back to Kinkley Finance. But otherwise, I'm actually going to vote against it if we proceed.

Anyone else? I would say I wish that Joe Toohey were here, because I know that this is part of, there's a gap that it's filling on a budget project that's a part that's supposed to be taking place. And so I don't know whether, if this gap is not done, would it be more expensive if we have to wait and find additional funding for it? So I'm happy to go back to finance and see what the answer is. But yeah, I'm just not familiar with how this would impact the project as it moves forward, whether it would just end up costing us more money in the end. Maybe the fund could be replenished with other money from the union.

I'm just, I think I know the answer, but I think it's just a burden of budget. And so this could, I don't think this would affect any of the rest of the project.

But this was part of the scope of the whole project.

Right. But then it went over budget. So they were just filling that one space. Am I correct?

Yeah, here's the letter. This is a request for placement on the agenda. The city has been awarded $82,891 for the grant to install a solar mount on the new storage building in Forsyth Park at the rear and Forsyth. The project, as originally sought for the grant, was budgeted for $91,250. However, the project was only funded at $82,891, 90% of the request. We're not intending to reduce the scope, however, and in order to complete the project as designed, I'm requesting the additional, the authorization to expand up to $31,172 for the rec trust fund to fill the gap.

Michael. I would also point out this building is not for public access. It's a storage building.

So what's the, what's the energy going to be used for?

That's a question that could potentially be answered at the next meeting.

Do you want to try to contact Julie tomorrow?

I can certainly send her an email. Okay. What am I saying? Because I still don't think this is appropriate use of the right funds to begin with.

I would be curious to know what the, like, Mike's question, what it's going to be used for, because if it's for the zoo, maybe a little, because I actually, I do agree with you, but I don't see the point.

We wanted to put a fracked gas power plant because it will power the zoo. To me, that's inappropriate use of the reference, just because it's cubed and solar panels. You know, it doesn't actually benefit recreation in the city of Kingston. If we wanted to have a decarbonization fund, I would totally think it's appropriate use of a decarbonization fund, but it's an inappropriate use of rec fund at a time in which it is taking 10% of it.

The question I would ask is, if we don't do this, why? Does it delay the project?

Yeah, so that would be my question for Julie. Okay. And I also would be, I tried to look it up online, but I didn't see anything if there's like controlling legislation about the rec fund. And I didn't see, I couldn't find anything. I'm just curious if there's language around what is allowed.

So to Bob's point about delaying the project, is it me or is this becoming the common denominator every time we're in this room? Things come at the very last second and And then we have to hinge it on whether or not we're going to delay a project or eliminate a project and force it down the line and cost money even more. I think somebody needs to get information that's vital to the decision-making by this body here a lot sooner than on Thursday of last week for a holiday. Yeah.

And that is, I mean, eight and a half years I've been here.

Yeah. Well, that's ridiculous. You know, that comes from starting to vote no on things. And I would also point out that this is for the mount of the rooftop solar. It is not for the barn project itself. So it would not delay the construction of this extremely important storage facility.

Okay.

So you will get back to us. I will certainly email the project manager.

Well, since this is in my work, I can also reach out to the Nature Center and see if it's here. Maybe not. It's just about the solar. OK. Resolution. What? Yes? One more thing about .

In my mind, so if it's for the zoo and it's a nature center and we're trying to promote, you know, how to live, you know, energy conservation, which we can do via the zoo and the zoo would be considered a home of recreation. And yeah, it's, I don't know, to me, it doesn't seem that inappropriate.

Well, it's a capital project, so.

Yeah, so there could be a distinction between clear and soft.

And this isn't saying that we will fund it. We just may not fund it from the vibration. Again, I think to Michael's point, to which I agree, it could potentially be setting a bad precedent of using that money in the future for things that are like this as a recreation. So it's not saying that if we either wrote this down and bring it back to the community, which sounds like a thing that we'll likely have and we could fund it someplace else.

And Rebecca, you're going to look to see if there's like a controlling resolution on the fund.

I use kind of an extreme example, but it also like are we going to use part of the rec money to just pave a parking lot in a park when we could be using it to build more amenities? It's hard to see. To me, the rec fund should be about creating amenities and improving the park experience and for creating greater access to even perhaps build new parks at a time in which those things are pretty expensive, playground equipment, stuff like that, for people us to be taking 10% of the rec fund to just put some small solar panels on a storage shed, I think it just could be of better use. I'm not totally not against the project. I think we should be putting solar panels on facilities when the costs show that they'll be a benefit. But it's just, to me, there are better priorities for this limited funds.

All right, moving on. Resolution 97. This is a authorization, a budget transfer for the police department. So type of a department from contingency in the amount of $117,947.64 to cover the cost of retirement and resignation. So I think that was three. Four for folks. And Moving on. Resolution 98, authorizing a budget transfer to the Department of Public Works from contingency in the amount of $114,571 to cover the cost of retirement, resignations payout, as well as shortfalls in various accounts. Based on the explanatory. All right. Resolution 99. This is authorizing a budget transfer to the building department from contingency in the amount of $17,202 for the purchase and installation of EV chargers to replace existing malfunctioning units.

If the units didn't malfunctioning, shouldn't really, I don't know, should the manufacturer be replacing them for free?

My understanding is they were pretty old. They're like the original charging chargers. They're like the class.

I don't know what the class number is.

They're not a class 2 charger, which are the current chargers, charging stations, the current EVs use. So they're not that efficient. I'm sure they weren't. Yeah, I see.

Resolution 100 is recommending approval for modifications to the 2026 Office of Grants Management budget. You know what this one is? Oh, it's the New York Restores money to go to be forwarded to Kingston Standard Brewery Project and the Center for Photography at Woodstock Project and Headstone.

Yeah, these are grants and there's no financial impact to the city.

It's a pass-through right through the city.

Okay, Resolution 101 is a budget transfer to the fire department from contingency in the amount of $94,194.52 to cover the expense of two retiree payouts. Any questions on that? A lot of requirements. Yeah. Yeah. Resolution 102 is amending the policy for disposition of surplus city-owned properties. So this was coming through the finance committee. It was amending certain requirements information that the council would have about dispersing of our surplus properties under law. Alderman McCann had some notes here based on some issues that have come up. So I want to see if this is something we want to send back. I'll let him speak to it and see if it's something we want to send back to the administrator.

So I'm dealing with an issue with the land bank. It's ongoing now for three to four months. I've reached out to the land bank with four emails, six phone calls to no avail. I asked for a little help. Finally, after getting, you know, and talking to several different people, they finally called me back. Anyway, it's happening now in 35 to 37 Henratty Street. This is an old neighborhood. Neighborhood, you know, That's the OG in Kingston, okay? So, yeah, the original. So, with that, the people that live in that neighborhood, they're not opposed to a house going at a wall. They're opposed to the way it's being handled. Lack of communication, how about forget? How about net? Zero. I recently shared with everybody Catherine Burke's story that was down Um, you know, it's a series of, Hey, let us build you. We got to swing again, put yourself in this position. They want to put a 1300 square foot house in between hers and somebody else's. Um, to get that house in there, they want to build them on, they want to set a modular. So they bring in the cream. And so their picking plan originally began with, well, we're going to pick it over the roof of your house.

Okay. Now.

I wouldn't want to be within 20 miles of that tech club, okay?

Yeah.

And I've done a lot. And anyway, with that, it began. What do you want? Brand new windows, brand new roof. We'll put you up overnight, say, in Mohawk Mountain House. We'll do this, we'll do that. And, you know, sometimes throwing money at a problem is just not a way to solve it. Okay? I've asked repeatedly for Mike from the land bank just come down. Be a good ambassador to the people. Come on down. Talk to them. Take your lumps. Whatever's going to go. Work it out. Talk to these people. You can solve a lot of problems by getting out in front of them. Zero. Nothing. Nothing. So with that, you know, it was bugging me because I'm thinking to myself, I wouldn't want it to happen next to me. Okay? That's why I try to buy wall property, I can. I'm on the path, so I can. So, you know, I drafted up some stuff because once again, like Michelle said, I got up kind of early this morning, so I was thinking about this and I knew we were coming here today. So I have an accountability and community engagement clause that I'd like to see entered into the disposition policy, okay? Along that, basically the mission, is to legally bind the Kingston City Land Bank to routine neighborhood interaction, which they should be doing all over the city of Kingston, in good faith, okay? Ensures all property dispositions align with specific needs of the immediate community. The Kingston City Land Bank shall, and I underline shall, it's not to be changed to may, it shall, okay? It has to fulfill the following proactive engagement obligations, and then I've listed One through five. Last one being enforcement and oversight. Okay. Public accountability, a dashboard where they have to post online on the website. Community input documentation where they meet with the neighbors. They give word briefings wherever they're working or they're invested in that neighborhood. Okay. Pretty much a predisposition neighborhood canvas where they actually have to come out. And I haven't, you know, let's, I have to be surrounded by a great supporting cast and a lot of smart people. So I pick people's brains on stuff. And with that, they said, you know, you want to know that if a land bank is going to purchase a piece of property in advance, there's plenty of time between now and the fruition date when they're going to do it. I think currently where we have 90 dates in that disposition, they get to agree or disagree. 21 days out, they should be communicating right directly with the neighborhood that they're going to be investing in. Okay? And this is exactly what went down in Hidrani. It was none of that. Okay? It was zero. And now it's a full-blown shit show. You know? And it's ridiculous. I wouldn't want my neighborhood, you know, the project manager for the construction company is now telling the people in the neighborhood, it doesn't really matter anymore what you guys think. This is going down. This is what's happening. We dealt with you in that life. to the point where they actually told the one homeowner, we're not speaking with you anymore, you may need therapy. Listen, I've been in construction a long time, and I have to do a lot of unpopular things to go do what I had to do when I was out in the field running work. Knock on people's doors, appease the people, yes, what do you need? Is there something wrong? What can we do? That's how you get things done, okay? Apparently that's not how we get things done now. You've got 1,300 square foot now that you're putting on a postage stand, okay? Like a bowling alley. Now, along those lines, they went into the beginning and they excavated out, and then they couldn't compact the earth. Then they had to put helo piles in. People familiar with helo piles? You ain't got to screw them into the ground or the foundations. You know why? Because the soil is unstable. Because somebody went in there and disturbed the soil. They screwed it up. Anyway, cost, cost, cost. Let's put a new roof on your house. Let's give you windows. Okay. What it all is going to come down to. You got a 1300 square foot house that could have been stick built probably for under 300, but they're setting them out in there doing all this work in there. The house is going to probably be somewhere around. I don't hold my hand to fire, but it's north of 500,000. Now I get it. They sell it to whatever the AMI is going to adjust to who can afford that house. But, I mean, this is George Bush fuzzy, man. We're both $600,000, $700,000 houses. We're getting rid of them for $210,000. Well, we aren't. The land bank is, which is good. Somebody's going to qualify for that. Somebody's going to be up. But you want to know something? Forget that part. Let's have good, you know, conversation and good communication in the neighborhoods. But I would like to see this entered into it. This is legit. I mean, you know, the thing about it is this ensures that they don't use this as a checkbox exercise, okay? This clause of community interaction to the approval process, it's tied in. It's all tied in. If you want a piece of property, I mean, you can go back to the city of Kingston. We can sell it at auction. Easy peasy. Day is over, you know? But that's my two cents on that. I'm dealing with it. It's soon to come to a neighborhood near you. Okay? And I know it was good.

I know. I would be totally open to bring this back and continue that conversation. Thank you for sharing, even though I'm sorry for the troubles.

Yeah, I kind of like it.

Yeah. Doubles the advert because that's what I do. is it seems like, well, what we would be asking the land bank to do is more than we require ourselves to do. The city of Kingston, which maybe we should be requiring ourselves to do that too, but I just think throwing that out there because the city is not always great with communicating to the neighbors about projects. And I think if we're going to look at somebody else, then we should look at ourselves too. And I think we could be doing a lot better and leading by example and maybe putting it in this position for them, but we do what you're asking.

And how do you eat an elephant? One bite at a time.

I think that's a good point, but they're also getting these kind of gaming properties, so I think it's fine for the standard to be higher. I do think it's worthy for conversation and would support sending it back to law students.

I have a question for you. Would this be something that would be appropriate for a disposition policy or a contract that when we're conveying the property to a housing provider, like the land bank or Repco?

I would say that you can tie this to the disposition policy.

Given Michael's point that the land bank gets a bargain, that's part of the distribution policy.

I think including public participation elements as part of that bargain is okay.

Unlike our stuff where we saw that auctions They're not getting a bargain.

And I'm relating specifically to the auction process, just things that the city does in general.

Clearly, we should be doing public participation as well. I think it's a hugely important piece that we don't do well. I think having as a requirement for the bargain sale to the line in May is not unreasonable. Public participation profits are not a crazy thing. They should be doing that. They should be doing that without having it tied to the disposition policy, but having it in there, I don't think hurts much or something.

And I would like to add that I think properties that actually go to auction should also have a certain public notice too, because they've been already a property in Ward 1 that went to auction and people came in and they got it at a bargain basement price because even though they didn't pay off the taxes, they got it at a bargain basement price. They came in, clear cut, did a whole lot of things. we're not abiding by rules. You know, in some ways, I think other communities that I lived in, usually there's a notice that's put up, no matter who's doing the property, so that the adjacent property owners are notified when there's an action taking place there. You know, it seems like, certainly for the disposition policy, but maybe for all properties where something is going to be happening, there could be some sort of a notice, even if it's just a sign in the ground that says this property is, you know, is in is going to be developed, this thing is, you know, this is happening, just so, or even as a flyer, you know, like a handout to the adjacent property of it, just something, some form of communication to let people know what's going on in their own neighborhood. I agree.

We have had some conversations about it, and they need a code. We can do both. We can, you know, we thought back at ourselves and through the process on what Sarah was just talking about. And then the code will require on-site, you know, notification when there's a site plan review. Yes. We can go ahead and find the word. PTBase.

We can go to the CDNAS. Yeah. And then our disposition policy.

Yeah, I wasn't saying one or the other. I was just saying PTBase. No, go back. But we'll do it next month. Let's go back to it today. Yeah.

I mean, yeah.

Okay. And I will be happy to draft that. That's the thing about it.

Mm-hmm.

You know, like... You have nice hair and gray. I do have nice hair and gray.

I mean, you can read it.

But I had to put it all together because it was on, like, scraps of paper all over my house because as I would walk from room to room, I kept writing something down in the attic.

All right, so we're going to send this... It's like you'll be launching this in the bag. Yes. Yeah.

And I would be happy to second that.

Thank you. And I'll type this up and I'll get it out there. Okay. And to save you time, take a picture of it, send it to Chad.

You can go use AI.

I'm not using AI because AI is a sloppy way of doing things. Michelle and I were just talking because unfortunately our finance meeting is on Wednesday.

It's one of those months that the first Tuesday follows the second, precedes the second Wednesday. So it doesn't give a lot of time to just, I guess, be prepared for the conversation. We can't get it done, that meeting. We can't get it done, but just wanted to give everybody a heads up. Quick turnaround.

Thank you. I'm sorry that this has been such a headache.

You know what? It's more of a headache for the homeowners on that street.

That's right.

I mean, they blocked the street off the other day. There was no shutdown on the street. They had a concrete truck in the middle of the street corner and everything. I mean, the street's not even as wide as the room. And, you know, people are like coming down the street, backing up the narrow street, going around, coming up the one-way street. It was, yeah, it's like... There's a way to do things.

All right. Moving on. Resolution 103. The speaker. Oh, the speaker. Okay, good. Thank you.

I'm starting to get tired. All right.

So this is determining that the Forsyth Nature Center storage building installation of the roof mount solar system is a type 2 action in accordance with seeker under, and determination of, does not require preparation of determination of significance. Which I understand we no longer have to do in the future.

It doesn't affect the funding. We can still do this and see where the money comes from.

And I'd like for us to get some kind of training on the new seeker rules as well. But I'm limited.

I think on environmental justice, she's secret. Yeah.

Yeah.

Okay. Resolution 104, authorizing the mayor to enter into an intermunicipal agreement between the town of Ulster and city of Kingston for a sewer and collective agency for 10 years for this Turner Truth State Park. So that was the first resolution last month. Resolution 105, the Common Council of the City of Kingston, New York, amending Chapter 348, Smoking of the Code in the City of Kingston. So there were some questions on the language in the resolution.

We've recirculated them.

Oh, hi.

Yeah, I didn't see the .

Yeah, what's the story on this? Can you smoke on a sidewalk? Can you not smoke in a sidewalk?

So the change to the resolution is to add no vaping as one of our smoking sections, add cannabis and cannabinoid hemp as part of our tobacco-free locations, to repeal Section C because the canopies no longer exist, and then not add any additional language about smoking outside blocks. There will be no additional amendment regarding smoking outside blocks.

But the resolution, will it still say that there was a request to add it?

It should. Okay. The resolution changed. Okay, I'm going to read it.

Yeah, read it.

Whereas the request has been made to amend Chapter 348, Smoking. Sorry, I got too many requests. A request has been made to amend Chapter 348, Smoking, a bill regarding the City of Kingston removing Section C. As with removal of the canopy, Section C is no longer relevant and whereas request has been made to add no vaping to our already existing no-smoking regulations near our parks, playgrounds, and municipal buildings, and whereas request has been made to add cannabis and cannabinoid tobacco-free zones, and whereas it is in the best interest of the city to amend Chapter 348 smoking of the Code of the City of Kingston.

No smoking above the city hall.

The Common Council of the City of Kingston operates for Chapter 348. So it's the prohibition section. So there's no C. There's no Section C. Section C was the one that said no smoking on the sidewalk.

Under the play plan.

But the way it read...

It's the one the mayor's proposed.

It still has, yeah, and it looked like we were approving.

Right, because we didn't get the updates from committees, so that was the original resolution that was dropped, and she didn't have the changes that we got the committee at the meeting. And so I responded to her, and she updated the list.

She updated this on the web page? Not yet. Yeah, because right now...

It was sent to MJR.

Okay.

Does anybody want to? Does it include, because we had also discussed cross-referencing no smoking in the sidewalk cafes. Did that make sense?

I don't have the final version of this statute. I actually have the red line that I have made. So if that's the final version of the statute that you have, it should be in there, but I don't have it.

Okay. So have we discussed including cross-referencing no smoking in the sidewalk cafes, or like the sidewalk dining. We already have no smoking for sidewalk dining, and so we were going to include it, cross-reference the chapter. Correct. Correct. We already have, that's already in the park.

So you can stand up in front of the McGee's and smoke all you want.

Yes. Correct. But we were going to add the cannabis and the vaping to the Existing sidewalks. That's already in there. That's already in there.

Yeah. That's state. That's state, yeah. And that also said don't hook us.

So this updated resolution is fine. Yes. Given what 70% of the people say is wrong.

Yeah, 83%. Small campus. You should .

OK. Moving on to resolution 106. This is establishing a loading zone at 359 Broadway and eliminating a parking at parking 162.

Or nine. I think they had a question. OK. But which one? The one they've asked, and they wanted to know. No, it's on Broadway.

OK.

Erase electronics, and there's hardly any storefronts on that side of the street, so I was wondering why a loading zone is needed there.

Because Vinny, our parking person, sent in a request, a formal request that we consider a change to the parking designations. There was an accident, and it took out the meter. Oh, that's right. So he got that because there were no other loadings on that area that it was appropriate.

It also doesn't do it very much here. No one in Park City. That's right, and he showed us images of it, so. I think it was a loading zone that would be of disadvantage to us.

Who would even use it as a loading zone?

I would assume a race.

Yeah. And people are thrashing it. Stores across the street. Yeah.

And that's an apartment building as well. Yeah, the email from Vinnie said, the area is full of commercial businesses that are frequently used for short-term parking, the purpose of food takeout.

Mm-hmm.

So, and the safe and proper installation of a parking meter is no longer free at that location. So just using the space in a smaller, safer way was what you need. I think it's a good idea.

What's the, what are the rules of a floating zone? So like if I'm going to the restaurant, getting takeout across the street, I can be- Park there.

Park there.

Yeah. Yeah.

So we run over it, right?

Yeah. What is it, like five minutes or something? Isn't it usually 20? Thank you. Thanks. Resolution 107 is a settlement between Boykin and the city of Kingston. Are we going to go into any? Do we need to?

I'm not familiar with that settlement. Oh, okay.

This one and the next one both came out of finance. I could talk about it if I want to go into attorney plan session. That's what I desire.

The resolution is in public. It's pretty self-explanatory.

There was an article that I sent you from the Times Union about it. I don't know if you saw it a week ago or so. Essentially, it gives like

Yeah, I mean, everything on this is public. Okay.

There are no secrets.

Yeah. All right, and the next one, Resolution 108, is a settlement between William Gottlieb Management and the City of Poston.

I want to vote. It's all finalized. I just need you guys to vote tomorrow, and I'm there to

I want to say congratulations, and this is a major milestone for the city. I greatly appreciate this. I'm looking forward to a new era of cooperation and simplicity. All right. That concludes our resolutions. And then we have local law three, is it?

Yeah.

And that is the residency requirement. Right. So this is the second reading. So this will be a vote. It's 9 o'clock. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah.

It's going to be an outlier. I think that's what he said himself.

I'm just saying I'm going to vote no on proposed logo 103 because I think it's the council's responsibility to map these waivers. I can't actually see it. I think we're just removing some of our power and making it to the mayor. I think that's personally important.

That would be something I'm a little happy about. So we got a card from Jen, and she asked me to read it to you. So Andrea and all council members, thank you for the plaque and gift card. It has been a pleasure working with all of you. I will definitely miss this part of not seeing everyone. Jen? No. And I will be sending an email about meetings for this one, but it's going to be good news. Really, really good news. We have a lot less on our agenda.

Good news.

I just have a question that came to me from Kate Potter and since we're all together here.

This is about the event that took place in Gallipart prior to the fireworks.

Because a thunderstorm happened and after the first act,

They have to sort of send people home. And I think she's concerned. I'm just bringing it up to you to see. I hear the tape is. She's concerned because there's no protocol, really. There's an emergency management plan for snow and other things. But as far as outdoor summer events, she just said she and the Radio Kingston people made the decision to just stop it because the thunder was coming down, rain was coming down, the equipment was getting wet. So they just said, We've got to handle this. And Radio Kingston has a policy that if at the first clap of thunder or the first sighting of lightning, they stop. Right. Now, if we don't have that policy, and she was thinking that it would be a good thing to know, you know, a good policy to have for outdoor events that are happening if we don't already have one so that the people who are doing them, whether it's a vendor or a renter who's rented in the park or whether it's a city producing the event, that there are some guidelines. Should the fire department have been called? You know, it's sort of like But step by step, what do you do in terms of making the cancellation? Because right now, she and Radio Kingston were making that determination because they were there.

Well, there were other people in Frankston now because I was sitting on the couch with one of my boobas making calls about the state of checks and how, you know, they were going to make sure public safety purposes. So I think that, you know, there is... kind of a, I don't want to say packing order, but there, you know, it was moved on. Chain of command.

Yeah, so there's a chain of command, but I think it would be, but clearly not as a gladiator class. It's a gladiator class. Because whether it's a city staff person or whether it's a, you know, somebody who's renting the space, it should be clear who you call, you know, if I rented, you know, Forsyth Park and the pavilion for an event, and all of a sudden things are happening, like, who do you, you know, I guess... Yeah, it's what you call a case of an emergency. And that's all we're talking about is inclement weather, thunderstorm. So is that policy somewhere? And maybe it exists, but, you know, she's just asking, is there something?

It exists in ocean.

It does. That also sounds like an operation.

It does sound like an operation. So it's an operational question. So I can just refer her to an engineering office.

Yeah.

I think Lindsay, too. Lindsay, yeah. Yeah.

I think you just take it for granted, you know, sometimes. You know, we get struck by lightning.

Well, no, I mean, it's, you know, they clearly need to, like, sit and get untrusted. The musicians, they go out there daring. Well, yeah, I hope they don't, you know.

No one does, and so that's... They want to give up their spot to see the fireworks.

And in most cases, we have rain dates for most of our events, but not all have rain dates.

There's quite a weekend between the heat and the rain, and I think all of our departments did an amazing job.

Well, they did, because it was... And we're just lucky we worked further south, because they don't have...

They were actually devastating. But there's too many fireworks, illegal fireworks, still going on. I don't think that we have the capacity to respond. No, we don't. Good night, Elisa. Good night.