Board of Supervisors - Regular Meeting

I apologize. So, I'm going to call this uh joint meeting of the King George Board of Supervisors and Planning Commission to order. I call the meeting joint meeting of the King George Planning Commission to order. Please stand with the invocation led by Supervisor Bender, followed by the pledge of allegiance. Please Lord, guide us to make the right decisions for the county and to think wisely and thoughtfully to make sure that everything is done in the minds of keeping our constituents and our young people front and center. Amen.

Amen. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Are there any amendments to the agenda? Seeing none, we have public comment tonight. All right. So, welcome to for the public comment. Please keep each member be uh speak for three minutes. Please state your full name, the district in which you vote so it can be properly included in the public record. First I have Bob Bear. Hey Bob, how are you?

Good evening ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Chairman. I'll try to keep it short here. I want to say a couple things. First, I'm amazed and overjoyed that we have such representation here. We got citizens, we've got organizations, we have government government officials, we got you as the members of the board, the members of the planning committee, a number of different perspectives on what happens in our county. Also, we have representatives of the school system. Our history here is complex. We've progressed over 400 years from forested frontier to a a society of technological and innovation. Over it all, we need to remember that we are a partnership. We all need to work together for the best of our community and use common sense. On the other hand, we need to rec recognize there's a lot of perspectives we need to consider. We need to bring it all together and learn from our mistakes and our successes over the years and come together in partnership to build a community that is beneficial to our citizens, the visitors to our county, businesses, and organizations. Thank you. Thank you, Bob. James Shaw, James Shawn James, Monroe District. Um, speaking both in my capacity as EDA member and as a King George taxpayer, you don't and won't have it easy tonight. Planning commission and board of supervisors.

You won't be able to please all the people all the time. The path forward revising the comprehensive plan winds itself through a series of landmines. So, how does one please most at least most of the people most of the time? As I understand things, the comprehensive plan includes a map of where various zoning designations will move or shift in the next 5 years. And one can see an example of that from 2017 in the hallway just down the road here. I personally became aware of some folks in our county who are banking, betting, or speculating on what happens with these zoning upgrades or shifts or designations. For example, 869 acres of egg land that has a typical average uh value of around 10 to 13,000 per acre in the county. uh because it was within an industrial zone, Amazon ended up buying that land for around $190,000 per acre. Excuse me.

I won't be home to put my chickens away. So, um, Amazon ended up buying that land at around $190,000 per acre. And so, you can kind of say that some folks won the, uh, zoning lottery in that case. So, the challenge will be in the county as a whole to be making the process fair. Perhaps in the past, county leadership has made it too easy for the land speculator. And as a result, outside money comes in, bids up the land, and houses. And that makes housing unaffordable for lower wage workers, kids graduating from home, private, and public schools. And that's one reason why we're investing in an upgraded vote building. The solutions will not be easy. For example, the land trust folks that we that have appeared in recent meetings in the past few months have provided a number of various means including the sale of de developmental rights that can help keep the land cheap for use by the younger and upcoming future farmers uh for a majority agricultural county that we are. May God bless the uh King George Renaissance where making hard decisions can lead to a better and fairer future for all. Thank you, sir. Is there anyone else I'd like to speak? Anyone receiving any correspondence? Anybody online? They back there tonight.

No, Mr. Chairman. All right. In that case, we will move forward. and I'll pass it over to you, Matt.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman, members of the board, planning commission, uh Matt Smu, County Administrator. So, the next part of the meeting, you know, we really uh a discussion back and forth the way we saw this as it was a request from the planning commission uh to talk about the comprehensive plan. So, uh Kelly, you know, Miss Loo, please correct me if I'm if I go off course here, but I believe the la, you know, the last comprehensive plan was updated in 2019. Uh there's a provision in state code that says the planning commission shall review it once every 5 years to see if it's advisable to amend the plan. Um we you know the planning commission is ultimately yep let's go ahead and do it. So the RFPs hit the street uh for these services a couple weeks ago. Uh the question period just ended I believe it was yesterday or the day before. So the county is in process of securing and we had a a meeting with some applicants you know about four or five different firms. It was a an optional meeting, but we held that um a couple weeks ago and in the near future we will receive proposals uh to uh to select who we want to interview and ultimately come back to the board uh to hire. So, you know, right now I think the discussion really, you know, between the board and the planning commission and the community is, you know, what are some of the goals of the the board? Um you know, with this comprehensive plan, what do we need to look for? And again, comprehensive plan, it's not the law. It is a guide. Um, you know, some folks, you know, have a misunderstanding of the comprehensive plan. It is only a guide. The zoning ordinance is the law. So, that's is, you know, the best the easiest way I can explain that. Um, so as an introduction, I you really would turn it over, you know, the the planning commission requested this meeting. Maybe Miss Flattley, if you want to, you know, go go ahead and take over if that's okay with you, Mr. Chairman, or if you have anything to say.

Yeah. One second. I we recognize that Mr. Sins is online. Mr. Mr. S, can you hear us? I guess he's not. Is Is Mr. Stout online or is he not online? I think we just had Mr. Song. He was on earlier. Um maybe he's not coming back till it's all right. Until All right, Denise, go ahead.

Do you have Yes, I can hear you now. Yep. Good. All right. Continue. Thank you, Mr. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. So, Miss Flattley, if you'd like to kind of take over with, you know, some questions and lead the charge from the planning commission.

Well, first of all, thank you. I appreciate your time. Um, you know, exchanging uh thoughts and ideas um about what the expectations are going to be for uh us to help develop the comprehensive plan. Um, one of the first things that I wanted to kind of get uh some feedback on is what we think the scope of that uh review is going to be. If it's going to be um just a review, is it going to be maybe some paragraph tweaks or is it going to be something that requires complete chapters or entire revisions? Um, so I think kind of defining that as as uh maybe one of the first things All right. And I open up to members of the board speak on their vision on that. Miss Bender.

Yeah. I I've said this before. This was done in 2019. I think Mr. Kendrick and I are the only last two that were here when this was done and a lot of stuff has happened and I do think it does need a total overhaul. Mr. commits.

I I think we need a a good thorough review of the plan and see where it it does not align. There's some there's appears to be to me as I read through it some inconsistencies. Um I'll just throw out a couple of examples like we have great communities today in the Dogrren community area where I live in Fairview Beach and Ptoic Landing. you look at their zoning law, it'd be really hard to get a neighborhood approved that would be another dog or another Fairview Beach. Is that what we want, right? Is that is that our vision for the county? Um, I'd also take a look at say like the Route Three West heavy industrial area that's practically full, right? So, we do need a diversity of taxpayers here in the county, right? So, are there other targeted areas where we would want to look at to send businesses? Right? That comp plan is sort of the first thing a business looks at when they're coming to the county, like where should I locate, right? Route three West was where if you were heavy industrial, the comp plan called that area out specifically to go to go look at um you know I think the planning commission has the the tools and can work with economic development on okay does the rest of the comp plan now match what we want to do countywide. So I I think from that aspect I think that we do need to take a look at each of those settlement areas. Are they okay? That's actually a good answer on I would say on a number of them and on a few of them it's like no okay over the last five or six years there have been some tweaks and moves and improvements um do we want to lock those in and and clarify um the other thing is I'd love to define the definition of rule right top plan says rural community right to me that means dark skies I can see stars at night right our zoning law doesn't

have anything in there about lighting dark skies So maybe that's an outcome of comp plan update.

We're getting there. Yeah. Right. Okay. That's my two cents. Mr. Sullins again. Thank you. Mr. Stra's not here, right? I I don't I don't know if it needs a complete overhaul. I think there's my own personal opinion is there's probably some tweaks and things that need to be updated if we if you if we think there's inconsistencies in it to make those things more consistent across the line, you know. So, I I mean, as far as maybe looking at some areas that we might want to zone to industrial, but then if we're going to move it in that direction for future things, then we have to start working and putting the infrastructure in to make it viable. for people to actually we can call it industrial all we want to but if we don't put in

absolutely

it's never going to happen right and I think it's a lot of you know going you know where the data centers are planning on going and all that I think that for years people just really felt like no infrastructure is ever really going to make it out that way anyway right so why but now it's happening so and I think we have to kind of look at what exactly that like what we're putting in now what is that how is that going to change things for us, you know, when all that infrastructure is put in and we tie all the service authorities in together and, you know, we have the ability to bring industry in there, how is that going to change the outlook of our county the way it is right now, right? So, when those things are going to happen sooner or later, you know, even if the data center coming up doesn't go through, I find that when people want to sell their property, they're usually going to figure out a way to sell their property, put something there, right? So, we got to prepare for that.

Mr. Chair, can I add one more thing in

one more? One of the things um when I was on the HP 206 committee, I talked to a lot of the other localities and that was the solar regulation committee and I was asking them what's in their comp plan and some things that I had put in a document a couple it was actually when u Miss Hall was here as the uh in Kelly's role and uh some things I would put out like identifying where our prime egg land is, farmland, our prime forest land which is like old growth forest, the wetlands, uh where is the utilities all trace. So you can see um these will all be mapping historical resources so developers know where the areas that they're going to know that it's a sensitive area, military overlay zone, infrastructure overlay zone where you can see where our water and sewer is. Um industrial zones, light or heavy, and topography maps. It's one of the big things. There's not enough information contained in there, especially, you know, if a developer comes in. So those are just some of the things I wanted to add from way back when when I created this document. Yeah, that's great. Thank you. And and I uh I know we don't have a lot of time tonight, so I I want to be fair to uh the other planning commissioners. Um but I would just like to ask like we are very eager to participate and we are very excited about how we can contribute. And so one of my questions would be how do you see that process um bearing fruit? Should we create committees that might dive into uh conservation or um military overlay district or reasonzoning or whatever the things that we think we need to change? Uh do we combine our our uh our members and create co-committes or do we want to open something up like we did uh before where we invite invested members of the community?

My personal opinion would be a little probably a little bit of both, right? I I think it would be I I found that the Zotac board that we put together very beneficial. I know that they don't want to hear about another boards coming around because it makes work on their table, but I found it very beneficial. We brought in people from, you know, from realators to large land owners to the developers and we had to just regular people come in and just and talk about what the process looks like. But I think it's very important to involve the community and and what in the vision. I I I've said it a million times from back here of going it's up to us to figure out what we want. If if it isn't if it isn't one thing, then what is it? What are we looking for? You know, and so I think people want to have say, so I think we should do that. Mr. Nicely, you got something to say.

Oh, I was just adjusting the mic. Uh, yes, I do have something to say, but I didn't mean to cut you off, sir. No, no, I was I was good.

Yeah. Yeah, I guess one of the things that I was going to say is when we last had a joint meeting, there was a statement from the board that they wanted to make sure that the planning commission understood the board's vision for the county. And I think there was even a statement that was said that that maybe you all would produce a vision document that could be part of this comprehensive plan. Right? We have you've already heard tonight, right? We'd like to get a definition of rural. I'd like to see some numbers come from from a combined group that said would say, you know, what percentage of the county do we want to continue to be agricultural? What percentage of the county do we want to have to be residential? You know, what is a growth rate that we would like to see for the county so that we so that we have an idea of what the vision is of the where we want the county to be 2030 years from now. I know the comprehensive plan has to be reviewed every five years, but we tend to get very myoptic with our view of what's the what's the fire drill and who's the big developer that wants to come in this, you know, next month and we start fighting these battles that are very close to us. And I think we need a longer vision of where do we want to be? You know, I'd like to, you know, we had some discussion at our meeting last night. I brought it up with Matt about where's our real plan for where is the county government center going to be? Is it going to continue to be here? Is it going to be out where the new courthouse was built? Do we need to start shifting things? You've talked a lot, sir, about about having a downtown area. Where is that downtown area? Where do we want that to really be? And how do we plan the utilities and the infrastructure to support these visions? We need a long-term vision so we know how to tailor the comprehensive plan. So

there was a lot there a lot to unpack. A

lot there. And and there's been some you know even properties that we have um I say we myself and others have talked to people who may in the future be wanting to sell but those things of course are private. You're not going to bring those things up in a meeting. There's other, you know, we've kicked around the idea of where the and that's what we'll be doing the second part of the meeting where the, you know, the schoolboard meet, school board meets, are we going to keep that structure? Are we going to get rid of that structure? So, and then that is a domino effect and okay, where are you going to put them? So, is the old courthouse feasible? Can we fix the old courthouse? If that isn't fixable, are we tearing that down? So, where the downtown's going to happen is going to is going to is going to take place by the decisions we make to do with the structures we have right here right now. A lot of it is, you know, but as far as I'm concerned is my growth and then Mr. Meds, I would like um I want King George to grow organically and not by force. If you want to know what my definition of rural is and part of it is, it's it's when it grows organically. People come in, they buy a piece of property, they build themselves a house. I don't force growth is um large housing developments and things of that nature. and they've done nothing but put a strain on this community because we didn't have um the means as far as businesses to pay the to pick up the tax bill, you know, cuz residential houses don't they cost you money. They don't bring money. You don't care what people try to tell me. I I've done the math plenty of times and it just doesn't work out. But um so that's organic growth. That's the way it was the whole time I grew up here. Just organic growth and now it's become more forced as a blade it appears. Mr. commits.

I was going to go back to the how how do how do we do this, right? I think part of the benefit of bringing on a consultant to help with this is community engagement. Um, if you asked five of us on the board, we're going to give you five visions and there'll be overlap. I mean, we've all known each other long enough that there's probably good overlap there, but we're going to probably argue about the three or four things that each of us is near and dear to, and you would spend all night trying to get an answer out of us of what's the vision. There's not a vision. There's there's five variations of visions, but that's just us. I'm going to echo what Sully said, which was this really should be what does the community want? And I would love to see a a handful of probably kickoff meetings with the community, you know, whether that's Mary Wash or the library here, find one of the other places where we could put some stuff up, maybe lead the conversation with some of the big blowups of the graphics that are in the comp plan now and some statements about, you know, hey, here are some of the thoughts. Like I threw out a thought about a definition of rule, but really what I want to get back out of this comp plan update is what's the community engagement say our definition of rule should be and then we can abide by that. Right? We're just elected officials, right? We we all work for the for the voter and so, you know, use that the resources that we have to help collect some of that data. Maybe we've got a great social media engagement here, maybe some surveys along the way. Um, and before I get misqued on the route three west thing, I did not say make it any bigger. So I the part of this needs to be some a good thought process about where are the infrastructure and resources the county has, whether that's fire and rescue, first responders, the water and sewer, major roads, you know, I don't want any more stop lightss either. So that that would be my

suggestion on how to do this um to to get this rolling. I'm just going to give a quick follow back we were doing the comp plan was started in 2017 just before I came on the board but I know when I came on the board they had a lot of community engagement and it was very enlightening and I think the community was talking about what kind of restaurants would they like what would the young young people like in the community and I think that's important to put in this comp plan because you know this if we do a vision which I agree with Mr. nicely 20 2030 2040 2050 like a lot of other localities. We need to know what the people that live here and will be living here long after we're probably gone would like in the comp plan and work towards. So that's my thought.

Mr. Sull, do you have anything to add? No, not at this time. Thank you. Okay,

we have to I'm sure the RFP has some of has a proposed structure um number of public meetings uh poll surveys and those proposals. So I I think we can pay we'll know what we can pay for when we know is it possible to get a copy of the RF of the RFP. So, we understand it. It's online. Yep. It's It's online. If you'd like us to get you a copy, we can we can get that to you. A link would be fine. Okay. Thank you very much.

Um I'm a big believer in in this kind of planning. Um, it's it's as much of a a consensus building exercise that we we may not all agree, but we all understand why these decisions were made. And I think public input is is essential. And I I really encourage uh um formation of of of groups, subgroups to the extent the RFP will support. uh for the military for the settlement area clarification redefinition I I think uh supervisor met's idea about what what a new neighborhood look like that isn't a development I think another fair view point is beautiful and undeveloped really need boat ramp but um There are plenty of places around the county that can be the the vision of a downtown of a town center um you know market a sports sports tourism and agurism how can we you know leverage those so there's certainly an economic development comp component community input component and uh housing build component and I'm really excited to be part of the this project

I think we all agree on like part of what's draws people to King George is a lot of people know how great King George is as far as the history that's been here and really we've been really a lot better at promoting those things and you know the aggra tourism we we all kind of buy into those aspects of of things that we that we'd like to do give people a reason to come visit our town which is going to bring more businesses in a sense on this end of town you know it some of the you know the things that we're thinking about going in like as far as like the data center goes in I know if the data center goes in up You're probably going to get some they're going to have to eat somewhere because they work 24 hours. So, there's going to be some some popup fast food's going to pop up on Seal side of town or something. You know, there's going to be other people getting engaged just from those things expanding out that way.

So, we all have the big ideas. Um, but I really want to focus on the process for that. And I know that the public engagement is going to be super important. And I know that uh we have a a contractor that's going to be helping with that. I also know that the short time that I've been involved in the planning commission, I've learned a ton that I don't think the general public knows. And so, putting information um on a website about what the the future of our uh service authority is going to look like, what our water needs and limitations are. Um because that's gonna that's gonna create boundaries even to organic growth and um for us to to make some determinations about what is best suited, you know, with traffic and and everything like we can we can to some degree organize uh the the potential growth in a way that's best for everybody. So, you know, some of the comp plans that I've been looking at recently that have been redone in other communities have the the goals, but then they have specific policies underneath that say how we're going to get there. And so, um I know one of the things that's uh been very current is the conservation information that we're still trying to learn a lot more. I would um love for you guys to either listen to G uh Lisa Beaver's presentation she gave last night or invite her to make a presentation to you. But looking at how we can incorporate these ideas into the comp plan. Um I think we are ready to to create a committee to dive deeper into what that could look like and what the benefits would be. So, I don't want to go down any roads that you guys don't think are going to bear fruit, but we're ready to put the time and the effort into digging deeper to find out what resources and information and how it's

going to uh affect our future. That jump in real quick. Yes.

Sorry. Um, so I've heard the the term committees thrown around a bunch and and I do think I mean I think I've been real clear that I think that we need interaction with the public and and feedback. It's got to be positive interaction though um two-way interaction if you will. And where I'm going with that is it it's real easy to put out there this sucks. Change it in a survey with no suggestion on what you really want. Um, if you read Facebook, this, you know, depending on what part of Facebook you're looking at, this is one of the most awful places in the world that people can live. I want to have a two-way um, conversation with folks. We're going to have to get creative on how we do that. But um, you're right, Denise. I mean, some of the people aren't aware of, you know, what they're asking for. They don't understand the fiscal or um, infrastructural limitations that they're dealing with when they want these things. But putting it on a website ain't going to help. I mean, it may a small handful of people may read it, but it it's been my experience so far that that you almost have to have an actual conversation in order for people to come around. That being said, committees are great, but if we put together too many committees, the thing is going to get slow rolled into oblivion. I mean, we're already late on on getting it done. So, I don't want to do a halfway effort on it, but at the same time, I I don't want to get paralysis by analysis by by having way too many committees that are um trying to get it just perfect when 80% solution will do.

Thank you, Mr. Sins. Um just a couple of comments and just from my personal perspective I mean 20 years ago one of the comments coming out of the the board of supervisors at that time was a desire to reach 30,000 occupants in the county. It was based on the idea that you had to have that many before certain businesses would relocate here particularly restaurants you know service type industries there. So I mean I was hoping that we could get some overarching kind of comments out of you know the board of supervisors either collectively or individually about you know where do you see us not 3 years from now but 15 20 years from now because it'll take a long time to get there and and and what I hope we don't do is start every time we do one of these exercises we change the direction we're going. So, I mean, I don't know what the number is, but do you want growth? When we did the prior community uh development plans, we we were working under that kind of understanding that growth would happen whether we wanted to or not. At one time, we wanted growth and and we loosened up a lot of the requirements so that it could occur. um if we don't want growth or we don't want to do it, I mean, you know, it'll that'll give us a direction on how to deal with the the ordinances. Um you know, one of the things we did was we sort of accepted the idea that managed growth growth was going to happen whether we wanted it or not. As you said, organically, somebody has a piece of property, somebody comes in and by right

they build a house on it. So you're going to get growth. We took the approach of trying to manage that growth by establishing, you know, certain areas where we wanted the growth to occur. You know, development areas and we wound up with four or five of them scattered around the county in the areas that seem to make sense to us. It does need to be widened out to look at industry and and you know light or heavy clean or not so clean whatever you want to call it. But also, you know, where do you want commercial activity? Do you want commercial activity? Uh, you know, I I guess I was hoping that we could get some comments out of the board of supervisors on those kind of larger overarching kinds of directions that we would take the county. Um, prior prior, you know, plans have had multiple meetings with county residents in different areas of the county to draw comments from from each of the, you know, uh, county residents who wanted to bring something up. But you also got to bring in those the major stakeholders. The base for one. We can do whatever we want out here, but the base is going to drive itself and we need to have some idea where they think they're going. You know, the board of realtors have thoughts about, you know, what they want to see done. So, the RFP, I'm sure, or by the time you get to writing out the contract with whoever you hire, they're going to bring some experience and help us through those meetings and stuff because the ones I've seen in the past have all been relatively similar. So, I can't imagine this one is going to be drastically different, but you know, there's a lot

of input coming in. I personally would hold off on setting up a whole bunch of committees on how to execute things until we have some sense of what we really want to execute and and you start big picture and you build underneath it. you know, there's the goals and then there's the strategy on how to enact those goals and then you get down into the minutia of setting up committees to actually put things in place to encourage it. When I came on this board a long time ago, I came in with an attitude of military planning where, you know, as a player in that I could actually make things happen. And one of the things I had to grasp was we're not going to build very much by ourselves. It's going to be the developers who come in and actually make all this come to fruition. So what do we put in the plan to tell them what we want and where we want it? I mean there's a lot of people sitting around these tables and each one of us have a different idea of what we want. Somehow we got to distill that down into some kind of overarching kind of direction and it doesn't have to be an agreement by everybody but it should be big enough that we could sort of get consensus on it. So I was I was hoping we could get some of that you know from the board. Some of it will come from the residents. Some of it will come from the major stakeholders and and if this goes as it has in the past, we'll have plenty of meetings to sort of distill out which ones seem viable and which ones don't and which ones we want and which ones we don't want. So, I I think we let this process play out for a little while. I hope that we would have multiple

meetings with the board of supervisors to discuss the direction we see it headed and see if that's consistent with where you guys see it heading. All right. Thank you, Mr. M. You have something?

I uh So, at the end there, I I think some checkpoints along the way. Um we put put you on our agenda, some I'm guessing that be okay. you know, along the way just get um some up checks or so you can get some feedback on on questions that maybe come up as you've engaged with the public. Um I'm going to echo what was said earlier about organic growth. I think that that's a good objective, right? Growth's going to come, right? I I it's interesting you said 30,000. We're 28. So from 20 years ago, they were pretty u visionary on where we would would end up. Um I think the growth has been a little bit slower the last couple of years. I think that's not just us. I think that's kind of across the board, but given our location um with 301, you know, it it's coming. Um throughout my campaign, the thing that echoed with everybody that I met with was targeted compatible growth. And so that's where I'm looking for the planning commission to help with the what are those compatible areas and compatible uses. Commercial near near Doin makes sense. Commercial from Arnold's corner through the downtown corridor makes sense to me, right? Um I think there's a big push on a on more of a downtown field. I have no idea what that would look like. Probably some mixeduse development would be perfectly okay by me. I think we do need a bigger diversity of housing. you know, some, you know, I I'm not gonna say higherend, but um nice townhouse developments where somebody might want to retire and somebody else is going to cut the grass. Um but those are ideas, right? So, I would throw those ideas out. I'd be happy to bring them to one of the public sessions with the public and say, "Look, this is what I'm thinking about. Let's hear what everybody else would like to contribute to this, right?" Um and the comp plan has to be kind of generic, right? It can't it can't be too like

this one little property. Well, now you've just said one property owner gets all the wins, right? Um I I do think some revision of the Arnold's corner to downtown area is prime for a relook in the comp plan. Um 301 down, right?

Oh, the 3 and 301 intersection. You're right. Yeah. So does that get incorporated into the downtown area or is that its own little thing over there on 3 and 301? Because there's infrastructure there. I do think whatever we do that targeted compatible growth thing has to be aligned with the infrastructure we already have or at least was in with the near-term vision of where what we have for infrastructure. Um I guess I concur with that. One other thing we have to keep in mind is what's happening in the and down in Richmond because there are quite a few bills that are still alive that would um have us in our comp plan have to show 1.5 I think it's 1.5% um housing stock every year for 5 years to equal 7.5%. It also another bill I think that's still out there is any commercial industrial price could be by right for apartments. So, we also have to be mindful there's some bills that are still floating out there that might be signed by the governor that also might affect our comp plan and that is going to have to be factored in also.

Part of, you know, you're talking about like I guess bigger houses. I I the people I talk to are more what I call starter home communities.

Yeah. Okay. Where we're talking about, you know, and finding a developer that wants to work and do that. So, we designate an area where it's it's just a nice neighborhood with small modular homes in it, but it's where a single comp a single family or two people just got married can go buy a house and stay in King George. You know, that's what I'm talking to developers about. But developers nowadays, they want to make $100,000 a house. That's the goal, you know, whenever they build a house. So, this but this happens a lot faster. You know, you just they're built, you prefab, fill them up, boom, boom, boom, you got it in a nice little neighborhood. It's a starter home, you know, that's I'm more leaning towards that way than I am apartments. I don't I think apartments just historically in King George, what do apartments turn into in King George? What does that area turn into? It turns into a crime scene. There have been places, and I talk about the place behind sheets where the fire was a few months ago. When that place first was built, it was all my friends lived in there. There were single people who worked on the base, but they don't live there anymore. And now it's just people moving over from, you know, Maryland or wherever else. And, you know, they'll pack five kids in an apartment or whatever. Everyone's got to live somewhere. I totally understand. I totally get it. But I I'm not looking at throwing up a bunch of apartment buildings around here either. I'm not that's not in in the vision scope. I don't think it fits our community and what we're looking to do. But at the same time, I think starter homes is a is a is something I'm open to I talk to developers about all the time. You know, people that come here go, "Well, have you thought about doing this?" But it doesn't make them enough money.

Can I jump in real quick? Yep.

On the thing about uh considering the the bills that are out there in Richmond right now, I I disagree. This is King George's vision for King George's future. um the the bills down there, they're going to come and go, and quite honestly, it's really none of their business. I mean, yeah, there's going to come a point where, you know, we have to adjust and and and do what the state government tells us to, but I don't want to plan our vision based on the knuckleheads that are in office down there now and the crazy ideas that they've come up with because in four years, heck, in two years, that may all change again. And we're looking to try to build something that's going to go out, as we've said before, 10, 20, 30 years, you know, and it's not binding. It's not law. It is it's it's a guide. It's, you know, our vision of where we want to go. But I don't really care what somebody in Richmond thinks about that.

Thank you. And every decision we make affects I'm sorry, I mean, every decision we make. So, we start talking about designating areas. Do we maybe want to build housing development? Well, then we have to reach out. We got to bring the school in it and go where where where are you guys at right now and where do you see growth at? And and luckily growth there has kind of slimmed off and it's not where we thought it would be. So, you know, what can we do to answer some of those questions? Because every decision we make is going to affect the taxpayers on something else we got to build or law enforcement, fire, whatever. Schools got schools are going to be affected. So, every decision we make based on that is not just something we put in a comp plan. It's going to affect everyone, you know. So, because it's my nature to plan, it's just part of who I am. Um, what I'm talking about is anticipating those needs rather than being reactionary to them. So, instead of saying, "Oh, we have these houses now. We have to build a school," plan where the next school's going to be because eventually it's going to be needed. And so, start thinking way ahead. And um what this is not my vision that I want to see for King George, but what I'm afraid is going to happen is that we're going to have 10 or more years of construction traffic between us and Fredericksburg um with data centers, not just the ones that we've planned for, but there are numerous ones that are on the table um to be presented to Stafford County. And for every uh site, we have not looked at the communive ef uh effect of what the traffic is going to be. And so instead of taking 25 minutes or 35 minutes depending on where you live to get to to Fredericksburg where we all have to go for doctors for um uh a lot of uh our retail um and and then we spend our money there because once we have to go there, we're eating out and we're stopping at the store. We're spending our money. I think what's going to need to happen is we're going to have to be a little uh liberal with what we can put in commercially and what we might need

medically to serve our community. And so I just want us to be forward thinking and and I think there needs to be a balance between that organic and not being reactionary to oh this happened and so we have to now plan for it. about the medical because that's something that we've talked with the the Northern Neck folks when uh Mr. Davis and I talked with them a few months ago that that's a big concern across the Northern Neck is where do we go for quality care because um our county, you know, we're pretty much committed we've got to go to Fredericksburg and we we don't have an ER. Um, so Denise, I appreciate your your um your point there of thinking forward and maybe trying to bring something in because as the traffic gets more and more congested, it creates more risk for the individual to get where they need to be for the for the the care that they need. And also, if we do have enough growth, maybe we look at bringing a proper ER or even a hospital into our area.

Yeah, we've we've been in talks with that already. And I think one of the things that stopped us was a we thought there was a 2 million or whatever water leak in the Deng area because we were in conversations with people to bring them here. And the way we're pitching it now is we're pitching we're not pitching we only have 28 27,000 people. We're pitching them to Northern Neck and the Northern Neck has partnered with us in doing this just like we're with there's nowhere to go sewage right now. So we're working on the dowin plant in order to upgrade it to be to be a place where sewage can come for all the northern neck where we make money on it to help pay down the service store things of that nature and they've been overwhelmingly wanting to be our partner. It's not like like they really want to they and their own words to me is we really look up to you guys and King George and so they're not and we met with the Virginia what's the Virginia group I met I met with I met with them so they have an idea for the first time ever I think we met with them one-on-one here at the office and we and they pitched their idea of what we're looking to do and what we're looking for them to help bring us bring here if things get pitched to them. So those things are started. The school site is probably is going to, you know, where we tore down the old middle school. I think we've talked about enough. We plan on putting a loop road in right there that's going to connect from 206. We'll connect from 301 all the way around so that the buses can get off the main highway. And the next school site is most likely going to be over in that section. So we're planning those out. The next section of our meeting tonight is going to is determining a lot of those things, too, right? what structures are we going to build now with the votech building and Ralph Bunch and historical society and you where are we where where are we starting now and so for the first time cuz we got tired of you know someone would come you know u Mr. Young would come to meeting and go, "Yeah, we got this new bill for such and such." And I'm like, "Well, how long did we know this was a project?" Well, it's been on the project for two years, but it's just now coming up to where we realize that now we got to pay the bill on this thing that we didn't never know that was on the project. So, now we get now we have an idea of all the projects

that are in the pipeline for King George. Next step, what we're doing tonight is we're going to what buildings are we looking what structures are we looking to build? Are we looking to buy land for future development for the county itself? What are we looking to do? and then plan those things out. So, we're going to cast a vision. No, now no board's going to be bound to it after us, but we're going to cast a vision probably for the next 10 years maybe of what buildings when they're going to be built and how and so the taxpayers we can be prepared for them going forward for the future. That's what it's all about as opposed to buildings sitting around and rotting like they've done for years here in this county. And so, we don't want that happening anymore. So, we're going to put a vision out which buildings number one, number two, number three, buy land, what downtown area, what is it? And what's that going to look like? The VOTE is is going to answer a lot of the problems for the school. You know, they have they're not over capacity. They're good. But we build a Votech facility for them, a nice building, and you're looking at a two-story building. And and you're probably looking at 200 kids that will now be in the in and out of that building right there, which is going to take down the capacity of the high school. The middle school, I'm not worried about that. I mean, we got lots of room there. But you know that those types of things are the future that we're problems we're trying to deal with now. It's better than building a $57 million school that I don't think we need right this very second and the school has come to the same conclusion. So Mr. Mets

and and as you're engaging with the public right like the schools Sealston was built to be added on to right so there there is excess capacity there that if we need to expand particularly that elementary school we can right King George Elementary not as good a story and then you look at you're kind of boxed in there you can't do that right so we should probably capture those thoughts in in this process whether it ends up in the comp plan or not but it should definitely feed back into our CIP planning you know do Um, how do we address fire and rescue in Shiloh, right? Probably some COAs there that on the long-term plan we need to think about what should Yeah. Yeah. It's going to be back and forth.

Do we muddy the waters tonight or do we help at all? I don't know what we're doing. Muddy the water. It's great to hear the commitment of the board for a real comprehensive scrub instead of just, you know, a review and to carry on. Um

it's that that's great guidance. Um having bar board participation u throughout the process either a single member or you know volunteer um to keep us from diverging from your thoughts and plans for property acquisitions and concentrations of of you know community government civil activities. I love the idea of a hospital I got to tell you. Yes, I do too. And and small houses. I'd love I think seriously thinking about a small, you know, a single family home, small lot development

cluster might be a way to answer the entry level housing. But um yeah, I really thank the board for their uh their insight and their continued work for the benefit for the county. I think what would be beneficial and if you guys would agree to it, we have as a board of supervisors, we have done a retreat before where we went to AP Hill and we met and we met for hours and we had lunch and instead of trying to cram something in like this and it's all formal and whatnot, I think it might be beneficial for us to get a retreat together with you guys to go to a location and spend a day might have to miss work. spend the day and just really from 8 o'clock and nine o'clock in the morning till 4 o'clock just really just have lunch together and just pinpoint what we really want and just have without the microphones and everything just having a conversation the whiteboards and figuring out what we want. Right. So I think that would be helpful. Do you guys think that'd be helpful?

I think that would be great. And also um I would like to be a resource for you if there's something that you're like hey I want to know more about this. Um bring me info. I I I feel like that would be something that we would like to collectively support. There are things that we want to do and like I said, I don't want to take resources uh down a road that that you guys might not think is important. So, um what we're looking for from you is how can we support this? We're eager to. We have the time, the intellect. we can um read through documents and understand things and give you uh our feedback and um and maybe sometimes say, "Hey, uh maybe you didn't think how I just learned last night that conservation easements can be a financial benefit to the county." So, mind blown. So, I I just would like to share the information that we know that we can uh we can come up with.

Me, too. And I appreciate you offering that. And we things that we do with the school board, we do two-on- two meetings with them and it's more time and all, but I don't see why we couldn't do something like that going future. I would like to do something like that after we maybe plan a time for us in the next few months to get together and uh really hash some things out. I think it'd be beneficial for everybody. Miss Bender, anything to add?

The only thing I was going to add is I know we've mentioned infrastructure. So when our surface water plan comes out very soon, that's also going to be beneficial because as for the targeted growth, we need to know where the areas that we probably aren't going to work because we can't get the infrastructure to those areas at this time because of financial reasons. So, that's all I was going to add.

Got something sort of related, but I would urge you um to relook at the ordinance change that would create uh interior roads for subdivisions. It was something that was kind of put aside. um we recommended uh that you adopt that portion of the ordinance change um and not the other portion and uh that's kind of been um I guess hasn't been looked at again by you guys. So there are also some other small ordinance changes that I think uh might need to be tweaked and again we would be happy to work with the planning office to to come up with some solutions to present to you.

Thank you Denise. I appreciate it. You're good. He's all yours today. Um just just a quick so we can understand the schedule for this. um you're going to send us the RFP so that we can look at the more details, but can you give me a general idea of what is the timeline that you put in that RFP? You know, this could go on for three months if we do it quick. It could go on for a year and a half if we get into details. I don't know what you all put in.

So, the uh SEO proposals will be received until 2:00 p.m. on March 2nd. So, that's so that's okay. That's the first kind of deadline. And the way you these will typically work is there will be a committee established to review the proposals. We may get two, we may get 22 in. Um, you know, so if you get 22 40page documents, that's some time. So you figure a month to review them. So now you're beginning of April. Okay. Then you you shortlist it. You know, you do your interviews. So now you're probably, you know, mid to late April. And then we need to take something to the board of supervisors to approve that contract. Once it's approved by the board, then we work through legal to get that contract. So if

Yeah, I I was actually asking for the execution, not the start time. Execution. You expect this the contractor to be with us for two years, for three months? Two years. 18 months to 18 months to two years is as we've been through comp plan reviews. I think I think that's what you're looking at. That's what I was That's what I was more curious. How long is it is is two years a slow role in people's opinion?

I'd like to offer any other planning commissioners a chance to speak before uh we adjourn our portion. Yes. No. just I have one concern and that is I've heard a lot of different kind of statements so I'm new and I kind of want to know where everybody is. Um Pastor Shaw brought up the the point about property farmland becoming very profitable for farmers and as a home that lives around a lot of farmland that has dangling carrots on top of it. I have a great concern about first time. We hear first-time farmers. We hear people that want to get into that, but the land is becoming so expensive and I just I see it as a warning sign and that's just something that I wanted to bring up.

Acknowledged, right? And that is something I think maybe you could explore a little bit. I I don't capitalist society. I don't think we can change the price of farmland, but I think there are incentives the county can offer to make it more affordable. We have some a use and some forested land use provisions within the the um w within the assessment side of of what we do, right? So, I think you should probably relook at the size of the property lots that you have to have in order to have something in say forested land use. It's under the land use provisions. But yeah, the comp plan should kind of kick that around and see is there are there things we could do to maintain that rural character.

Mr. S, do you have anything to add? I don't want to ignore you. No, I appreciate it. I've been jumping in as necessary, so I'm good now. Thanks. Are you guys ready for me to do second public comment? Are are you guys want to continue? You're good. So, I'm open to Florida for second public comment. Is there anyone that'd like to speak? We already went over the rules. Bob, come on up, buddy.

You're in the Charlotte district. I just want to make two points. First is that the need for emergency room facility or sub emergency room facility in King George is critical. I recently had to take the wife up to Le Hill because we could not get anything here in King George. We turned down the opportunity a number of years ago to have an emergency room in the county. That was a big mistake and and we need to rethink that quickly. Secondly, I want to point out that as one of the issues affecting uh development of small homes is the price of land. Frankly, with the 80 to 90% of our land being zoned A1 requiring 10 acre minimum, it's prohibiting a lot of developers for trying to develop that land into small homes because banks will not finance uh homes where the land value is more than the house or higher percentage than the house. You need to consider is it really going to be farmland we're preserving or just large lots like five acres is 10 too too severe. I've read uh reports from the National Association of Realtors that says that's slowed developments in a number of areas. The the zoning was the issue. Need to conserve five five acre lots.

Thank you Bob. Is there anyone else? Is there anyone online, Mr. Dimes? No, Mr. Chairman. No correspondence. All right. Says here I got a recess, but I think you guys can adjourn if you like before we go into recess. If you'd like. All right. Um, I joined the King George County Planning Commission meeting combined with the board of supervisors on Wednesday, February 11th.

I have here you Tuesday, March 10th until the next meeting on Tuesday, March 10th. All right, I have 10 minute pause.

It's hitting the gabble. Can you hear me? It's amazing. All right, good job. It's magic. All right, let's get back to it. Are you ready? I'm ready, Mr. Chairman. All right. Uh, Mr. Dines, can we pull up the the presentation?

I get a mic check real quick. Make sure you guys hear me. I can hear you. We can hear you, Charlie. Awesome. Thanks, guys.

All right. So, so the exercise tonight, I know Mr. Davis alluded to it uh during the the previous portion of the meeting with the planning commission, but what we've done here is, you know, really looking for direction from the board of supervisors on our major capital projects. Now, I want to put the disclaimer out there that the CIP that we're currently looking at right now has 70 plus projects. They're not all on this list, and there's a reason for that. you know, really looking at these. These are our major facilities that are most likely going to require borrowing in some form or fashion. And it's not a get a purchase order, purchase wick, and the the the item is in in, you know, 60 days. So, these are longer term projects that have a lot to do with facilities, offices, um, you know, and we'll go through the list. So, Mr. Mr. Chairman, what I plan on doing is I' I've got a presentation um and and for the public out there, we're using a Microsoft whiteboard, which allows the board members. So, the way it's set up is each board member has um a colorcoded sticky note with a a title of a project with uh an estimated amount. These estimated amounts either came from uh Mr. Chris Connley here uh through some estimating software that he has used for his career and or what was submitted uh value engineering with the capital improvement plan submittals. There are a couple that don't and I well I I'll get to those. There's a couple without specific prices but you know board you and the public the goal of this is not to you know to figure out when the the projects are going to be when the A&E services are going out how much we're going to need to borrow. What's that borrowing look like? when's it going to open? We're just looking for identifying your key priorities as a board of supervisors so we have a vision and and then some direction as far as staff amongst the county and the schools so we know where

to focus our efforts. So with that, I'm going to start. Mr. Dimes, can you start going through or can I control here? Let me see if I I think I control here. Let me see. There we go. All right. So um here we yeah overview of projects and then we'll go through the exercise. So I'm going to go through these and we're going to the I'll go through the 14 projects. Feel free to interrupt with any questions and then what we'll plan is we'll start back. So I'm going to start the votech. That's project number one. We'll go through the 14. We'll talk about them and then we'll go back to the vote and then you guys can start part you know you can drop your your sticky note and we'll go through them one by one and we're here to answer any questions. you know, all the staff's here. Dr. Boyd's here. Um I just maybe we should, you know, we got Dr. Boyd, you had Chris Clark, uh Chief Moody, Chris Connley, and Bryce Young as support to um May here uh to answer any questions from the board. So, the first one is the Votech building. So, and this is it's actually it's a $19 million cost. Um so, what the planning comm and I took this as a public hearing at the planning commission last night, and we talked specifically about this. So $19 million was requested in uh the next fiscal year. Question came up is you know Mr. Smok are we really going to spend $19 million next year? You know I said but that's probably a pretty good point. We have to go through A&E services site plan and then ultimately construction. So, at the recommendation of the planning commission, it's it did receive a number one uh priority ranking of one by the planning commission, but they wanted to break it up into uh not to exceed 2 million next year for A&E services and then the the the remaining uh or the 17 million uh at a later year for construction. You know, one thing we don't want to do is we don't want to go out borrow, you know, $20 million and and and not use that money for years. um you know there there's you know we we've

learned about arbitrage and based on whatever rate you borrow it at what whatever account that is put in if there's interest that earns you would you may have to pay uh some of that money back to the IRS. So you know so that's one thing that that um they've wanted to do uh at the planning commission looking across the table here to Dr. Boy, it's my understanding the school is we're in the final stages of of identifying these these you know six or so projects and I'll let you talk a little bit about maybe like where the school's at um you know with with with this programming.

Sure. We're pushing ahead. We're excited about uh a lot of the conversation and the traction we're getting in the community with the vocational programming in King George County. So where we are right now, we are conducting visits at vocational centers really across the state. We've already gone to Northern Egg Technical Center, which services everyone southeast of us uh for it's a beautiful and wonderful vocational program down there. We learned a lot and found out a lot of good programs that uh we can consider here in King George County. Next Friday, we're going to Caroline. Uh following Caroline, we're going to go to Smithfield and uh they've got a wonderful brand new facility down there. We're going to end this month probably going to Spennsylvania Technical Center and then at that time we're going to pull together an ad hoc committee and uh get some input probably from you guys, from some board members, uh our instructional staff and we've pulled all kinds of research uh prevailing industries uh programs we need to consider. We intend to have all that information pulled together. Uh when we procure an architect that we can deliver to that architect uh the six to eight programs that we believe we need in the vocational center. Uh that information would be used to buildational center around that. I can stop there for any questions.

And then I know there was some discussion already tonight and last night just you maybe you know hear from you Dr. board on, you know, the capacity. Should, you know, the vote be at a, you know, higher priority of the board, you know, what does that do for capacity, um, at the high school?

Yes, sir. So, currently, right now, uh, the King George High School was built for 1500 students. Uh, we're hovering right around 1500 students, give or take, uh, you know, 10 students, depending on what day you ask me. Uh, so we are seeing the walls tighten up. Uh, it's getting, uh, close to capacity at the high school right now. Our elementary schools are are in decent shape. Uh as as uh Mr. Davis pointed out earlier this evening, we we're seeing an increase in students at the elementary level. That's now tailed off a little bit. Uh our middle school is actually the school division that has the mo the school in our division that has the most capacity. They're at about just over a thousand. That building's built for 1500. So honestly, the strain in the school division right now is on the high school. uh this vocational center in terms of capacity would would create uh really an an outlet for roughly 200 students or more possibly depending on how we structure the programs in in the uh in the vocational center. So, not only does this uh vocational center provide an opportunity for our students to learn new trades and really contribute back to the community, but immediately it provides some relief for the strain we're seeing at the high school in terms of capacity. Any questions?

Yes, I do. Um, have you thought about including in the maybe the price or or in the thought pattern the cost for whatever you do with the areas you vacate like if you vacate any like I'm going to give example like drafting and you bring it into the vote techch center and you want to repurpose those rooms the cost of the repurposing.

Yeah. So right now that cost estimate, that $19 million cost estimate we received in the feasibility study from RRMM, it's fair to say upfront that that really is honestly the cost of the the building. Uh one of our considerations when we're talking about possible programming in the voca in the new vocational center is uh cost cost of these programs. Some some programs have a very high upfront cost. Uh some of them don't. uh we're considering that as as one of the uh factors. I think when we get together in this ad hoc committee, what my desire will be before we just start throwing ideas and programs out there is really before that kind of set a criteria for what it is that we believe are important factors when considering programs going into the vocational center. Cost upfront is certainly one that we need to consider. Um, and to your point, we're considering moving some vocational center, you know, creating brand new vocational programs for our students, but also moving some of the existing programs out of the high school to the new vocational center. Uh, so cost savings is certainly there when we're moving existing programs over. So that'll all be part of the consideration when we're building that criteria with that committee on the front end. And also and also maybe retrofitting some of the like if you moved welding over there that build that area if you want to use it for classrooms you'd have to adapt it a little bit. So is that factoring into your consideration too if there has to be any modifications to the the rooms you're vacating?

Yes, that'll be a that'll certainly be a consideration and we'll get there when we get down to the road and decide what programs are going to go. I I would say honestly in terms of the timeline, what I've instructed my staff is that by the time we within the procurement timeline are able to procure an architect, we will be ready through committee meetings and and um in hand with the 6 to8 programs we believe are appropriate. Along with that conversation will be a um all kinds of thought and consideration on what programs are going to move over uh what we believe should go into those uh classrooms that we vacated. Uh, and that'll all be part of the whole the whole process that we'll go through. Thank you for the question.

Mr. S, do you have any questions? Sure. Just uh one quick one actually. U Dr. Boyd, have is it feasible to uh maybe look at partnering with some of those other training centers and um using some not using their equipment but getting seats for some of our students in those more expensive things and bringing in programs that they've identified but they just don't have space for them here and uh maybe partnering with them so that we don't have to suck up all that upfront cost for the really expensive things. Does that make sense?

Yeah, absolutely. And that's that's something we've actually talked about uh briefly already. I I can tell you one of the things that was beautiful when we went down to the Northern Neck Technical Center is the um that's an established vocational program that's been in the Northern Neck for

years. I I don't know how long. Uh and one of the things that you see down there is really this symbiotic relationship that they have between the school and the community and all the businesses in the community. Um, a lot of those students that have made it through those vocational programs are now supporting those businesses in the community. Uh, those businesses in turn are turning around and supporting the school with um equipment, supplies, things they need to continue the program going for forward. So, we're we're looking at those type of partnerships. Those those kind of partnerships honestly are are very important especially on the front end of this. I can tell you that our folks that are working in CTE right now, Miss Kim Trusslo, our instructional staff, um Terry Rinko, those folks are are at the helm right now really working on establishing a lot of those relationships. Uh when we're going to the other vocational schools, I can tell you one of the questions I'm asking is is their interest in partnerships. And I've already spoken to the superintendent and Caroline. Uh so we're we're considering uh the programs they have right now and whether or not there can be some type of symbiotic relationship between us and other school divisions that really magnifies the programs we have and and expands the opportunities. Uh that's we're very early on in that conversation. I don't want to make any promises and and there's a lot of conversation that has to go on between now and then, but we're certainly exploring any type of partnership we can. I think the success of a vocational center in our community is is going to rest on a lot of those strong partnerships.

Mr. Mets, right now, what's the vision for the building as far as flexibility? Because I I mean, I know you're trying to target four to six programs to go in there right away, but what I would hate to see is by the time we get it built, it's obsolete, right? Are we making flexible use so we can change walls and things? as long as we've got power to do welding and power to do you you know what what you want to do now what's the what's the sort of concept for this uh building

so so finding some balance I and that was one of the suggestions that we receive from RMM is is the making sure that you consider the flexibility of the space because of the you know in in public education right now one of the mantras we often hear is that we're preparing the students of today for jobs that don't exist yet we hear that all the time. So, so making sure that we're prepared to be flexible and adjust is is is a consideration that we'll have to make when we build this new building and it's one that it's actually some advice we've received from the architects that we've already worked with in the feasibility study. So, certainly something we'll consider. Oh, thank thank you. I would suggest one floor, no elevator based on our recent

understood. Big footprint though. on twotory metal building. So, anything else on the uh the votech building? Can we move on? We're going to come back to this before you guys vote. So, or prioritize. So, so I'm going to turn this over. I think these next two belong to Chief Moody. Um you know, no need to to talk about them if I got the expert in the room here. So, the first one is Fire Rescue Station 4 in the Shiloh District. So, Chief, if you would mind just kind of give them a brief, you know, why we need this and and, you know, what it would benefit the how would it benefit the county.

Yeah. Good evening. Uh so we planted this idea um many years ago and it I think most people in the room know that we have we have three stations in our county serve 185 square miles. of the um excuse me of the um 185 square miles the uh company one covers 113 square miles. So what we have u what we were looking to do was to put a station that would divide and split that primary first do run district just from company one Shiloh we already have county already has land adjacent to the school bus garage and so years ago we were putting a placeholder on that land to put to place the company for shallow station. Now, when I mention that, here's the caveat. Unless the county is prepared to add additional employees and personnel, don't build an empty fire station, okay? Cuz that's really that's really the part of the decision of when you build a station, you got to have the personnel, you got to have the trucks. So, it's a it it's more than just a building. The reason being is because you're adding a facility. In Doin, for example, you're replacing a facility. So, you already have the trucks and you already have the um the personnel. Just put this in in we know the roads in

our county. Company one across from food line covers in its primary first due district all the way from route three at the Stafford County line to route three at the West Morland County line. It covers halfway up 301 and it covers all the way down to the Port Royal Bridge. So, of that 113 square miles, we believe that that's a that as a county is growing that that's a little bit too large. It's no question that if we had a house fire past 3 and 301 intersection and our trucks are coming from uh company one and company 2, that that's a that's a long response. And you know, time is our biggest commodity. Whether it's a a house on fire, whether it's a car crash or a person not breathing, it if we can if we can knock down that time, the better service and outcome we can have. Um we we did some we did some uh looking at the numbers that company Ford district would have would generate about over 800 calls a year. That's what we're running today. It's over 800 calls a year which is about 20 to 25% of our total call volume.

That includes West Morland County too or that's not that's not just King George, right? That's that that's just King George. That's and that's that's the Shiloh what we would refer to as the Shiloh. Um I don't know if you have a map and I can I can just show this but if you this is 2023 numbers but

this is Dr. everything right now. Company uh company one is in the yellow. The orange the orange would be the would be the new company for so you can see every every one of them red dots is a a call that's generated. It could be multiple calls. So I you know it it it's a vision. It's our goal. I I think as we see Thank you, Dr. I I think Thank you, Chris. This was a team effort. As as as we see the, you know, more people looking to move in that area of the county, uh they're they're they're going to need to call 911 and that's what they're doing. And you know, also if we're you know, I say that it's a long response for us and West Morland would say amen. It's a long response for us too. You know, they're east of that.

Yeah.

But if we are on near the border of the county and we have to transport a patient to Mary Washington Hospital, I think everybody knows that's a that's an extended response time. So, we have a we have a very long time that we're with that patient. I'm happy to answer any questions. Um yeah, as as I think the board is fully aware, we we are in the later part of the design of company 2 in dog that has been our primary focus. That has been our priority. Uh in in in my opinion as the as the chief when it was well which one would you rather have chief, company 2 or company 4? and and I've always stated we need we have outgrown and the the current company 2 station is obsolete. We need to get off a dog road. So that was the priority. However, as we look ahead towards the towards the future, this is an area that we need to expand at.

And where in the future are you thinking? I know everyone wants you have a target date of like you say 2030 20 where where are you looking at it? We have been in in the CIP I have it projected right now for construction to begin in 2030. So design in 20 that would be FY design would be funded at FY29. Right.

And then construction possibly a year later now. The other I don't know Mr. Smallnick if you want me to get into the training center part. Awesome. And we're looking to we want to do a we want to do our own fire rescue training center that we can possibly expand and h and and partner with some of our our neighbors to the east. Yeah, they're interested in that. They're I talked to them about that. They're very interested in that.

So right now we are a partner. We're 33% partner. We have a training center and it's um it is in Spsylvania County and so where it's in Spennsylvania County is is and the partners are King George, Spennsylvania, and the city of Fredericksburg. And it is um it is I'm trying to think of the the road name, but essentially it's it's it we have to we have to go past the mall. We have to go past Central Park if you can imagine uh how much how many manh hours we spend just traveling to and from and with all our people. We're running the recruitmies and a lot of those activities are having to be done at a training center. So, we're spending a lot of time just in travel and taking our resources to Spennsylvania County to get from heavy traffic from Lafayette Boulevard to uh past Salem Church Road.

I think anybody in here knows how long that can be when you go in the morning and you come back in the evening. So, we want to do that and we think that there's available land there. We think that we can get um explore some opportunities for grants. We think that we could, you know, um you know, possibly some of those grants could cover the the burn building, the training building, the possibly some water infrastructure. It wouldn't it wouldn't be a running water and sewer in that area, but it would be, you know, maybe a standalone system if there was no intention or plan to run water there. I know the county at one time was looking to do a um an industrial park in that location. I don't know what where where that stands, but we would like the company 4 building and the training center to kind of be kind of look at almost a master plan and and if the the station part was was came a little later, we would we would we could still do the training part independently from it and just as as it grows, we could put that right adjacent to that. We'd also have uh you know 301 access I think you know in response. So you have three and 301. It's right there in a critical area. We could hit responding from there. We could we could hit route you know um you know 30 route three east. We could also have land to possibly have a helilipad. And right now when we land a helicopter, we got to either come a farmer's field, land it on the highway and keep the road shut down or we could have a, you know, have that land and and have a, you know, a 100 by 100 spot that's dedicated for landing a a medevac. So there there's a lot of wins with that and and you know it certainly

starts with a vision and I think the need is there and I think the need is going to continue to to be there. Would that just a quick by offering we could it could make money as far as training other counties. They come here for training. Yes. Is I mean there's we could char we could we could do some charging for it. I don't I don't think it's um I don't think we're going to we're going to uh it would turn into a business, right? Yeah. Yeah. But we Yes. Could we charge for the services? Yes, sir. We could chief. And part of the training, too, is if if we were partnered with the Northern Neck, they might actually provide some of the trainers so that Yes, that frees up our staff.

Yes. To to staff the the the buildings while the training is underway. Yes, sir. Back on the facility side, just out of curiosity, like Fairview Beach, kind of station three, kind of small. What's the full staffing load for that station? Well, right now we're we're funded at four positions there per shift. There's three shifts. So, it's 12 funded positions I have for that. Okay. So there are times, you know, we have if you have some vacancies, if you have some sick call outs or people on vacation, it can dwindle those numbers, you know, depending per ship. But right now, we're funded four four personnel and they're running both a fire truck and an ambulance.

Thanks. I just trying to get an idea what a minimal staffing level would be because you said don't want to build an empty fire station. Yes. Also want to put that in planning for long-term personnel numbers. And and I would I would say any you know any uh anytime you think about you know those kind of facilities I mean really the probably the the building is the easier part. It's those year afteryear personnel costs you know and and uh and you said you're open to building this training center first. Yes. By itself. Yes. Okay.

You're talking about the same property, right? the 10 acres. Okay, that makes sense. And it's a big area you could put a lot of stuff. Yes, ma'am. Would it be in that 10 acres that we originally looked at long ago? Yes. Okay. Yeah. Is there water to that property? No. No. But now with the new upgrades, it could be run very easily. I mean, there's a cost, but it could be run very easily. Correct, Mr. Young? Yes, ma'am. Yeah. Right down right down the quarter since we upgraded. All right. Any other questions for Chief? You have anything else you want to add?

No. I like the idea of um I know right now we're getting ready to undertake Dun. Right. But I and I like the idea of um the training center maybe even before that that I like the way that sounds. Yeah. Any other thing? So, you got a question, please.

So, um, is it possible to treat company 4 if we build that up? It sound like most of your selling points, chief, early on. We're talking about time and, uh, buying time back into getting trucks on station faster. Can we treat that like a Ford operating post initially and deploy some of the forward deploy some of the guys and the equipment from company one until we can gracefully build that up um in terms of staffing and equipment?

Yes sir. I think there could could be some options we look at but it would we would have to be very creative. I I do think we could we could do something uh as as we you know build on that that staffing plan. Okay. Are there any drawbacks from Excuse me. Are there any drawbacks from uh dropping out of the partnership that we have with Spot Fredericksburg?

Yes sir. That's a great question and um it still to be determined. I I'll I'll say that um I think that what we would probably my recommendation would probably be is that we would not pay our our annual dues of $6,000 per year. That's what we currently pay. and we would retain our percentage and we would still we could still utilize some things at that training center that we would not have duplicated at ours. So, we would still have some use. I don't think we would be able to sell our 33% back to Spsylvania or the city of Fredericksburg.

Okay. Maybe, maybe not. To to be determined. All right. Anything else? Thank you. Thank you, Chief.

All right, moving on. Uh, next project in the hopper would be the old courthouse demolition. So, this uh I believe it was September, August, somewhere around there. Uh, I made a presentation at the board of supervisors after we had uh an initial assessment done on this on this particular building across the parking lot. And there were really three different options at that point. It was continue to study the building, issue an RFP to demo it, or issue an RFP to renovate it with a caveat that if you went with number two or three, you you ran the risk of change orders because we did not know fully what was inside that building. So, whenever it came came time for CIP, and we we talked about this last fall, we're going to roll this into the CIP, bring the board back some options, and that's exactly what we did. Mean, Mr. Young and I had and Mr. Connie had some good discussions and I said let's let's put it in for a couple different projects. So I want to make that very clear to the board and to the citizens watching that you'll see a couple here for the demolition. They are separate projects. Um so obviously you can't demo it if you're going to renovate it. So the first one would be, you know, $550,000 to to demo it. And you see, you know, to make way for a town center area or other projects, you know, as a as a planner by trade, I I I see a long-term vision for this area. And I think some of us, we've talked about this in one of the other projects uh with the museum visitor center. If you decide to demo it, this may be an option for how to utilize this area. And we can get into this a little bit greater detail when it comes up on the screen, but the project before you 550k to demo the old courthouse. Any specific questions?

Just have a quick clarifying so that when we do these sticky notes, we can conceivably as we go on, some of these have high ticket items. So they could be spread out over several years. If we see it as a priority, the cost for it could be spread out. Correct. You could. And then again, a lot of these projects are going to have the votech the the I mean, you know, if you do a visitor center company for there's going to be a breakout A&E A&E typically 10% of a project. So, so you you can spread it out. It's so it won't be the full amount in one year. Okay. I just wanted to clarify so when I make my choices.

All right. So, if there's no questions on the demo, I'm going to move on to the next project, old courthouse remodel. So, um I know Mr. Connley and you know he's a been a great addition to the King George team and you know some of the software that he uses as far as and and what he's used throughout his career to put price tags on you know on a building. Mr. Connley, do you want to speak on this one particularly or is there anything that um you know that that that's not on the screen that you'd like to add?

Uh no, I think it's pretty straightforward. If we uh the board decides to remodel the courthouse, um there's a substantial cost with that. Um, it would include a uh pretty much a gut renovation of the existing building, uh, new HVAC, electrical equipment, plumbing, uh, some additional site work. Um, and then kind of tacked onto this as an addition. So, uh, few months back, um, Mr. Young had done a space needs analysis. So that cost up there factors in that forward thinking space needs analysis not just for a a 10-year building but for a 30 or 40year building that would get us you know we get a lot more runway out of that that type of structure um for about I believe it was around a 40,000 square foot facility. So this would be in lie of a new county building.

Correct. That's correct. Correct. Yeah. At uh estimated 45 years, we need about 65,000 square foot total. That includes the river comp here. What is what's just the remodeling of the old courthouse? So just a renovation cost. Um you're looking at about 8 to 10. So about a little less than half of the renovation. in addition. All right. And I would like to point out uh with the space needs analysis, it looks like we will be out of uh area on day one once we complete that out of space.

And that's putting who in that building. Um that um who is not decided yet. I looked at the amount of square foot we need and the amount of square foot we have here plus the square foot of that building. And as we finish the building, we would be right at that uh square footage. That make sense?

Yeah. I mean, this is, you know, I'll let you guys chime in. To me, this is like it's like the first domino in the stack. It's like, what are you going to do with that building? Are you going to because it determines everything, right? I mean, it's where you start at. It's, you know, are we going to remodel it? Are we going to tear it down? you're going to get gripes. I hate tearing down buildings that I've been looking at my whole life. It's really hard to even think about. But I'd like to kind of hear from the board about where you guys are at as far as um you know, remodeling the old courthouse. You know, even at the very beginning, you remodel it, you move you move the school board over and you tear down that building, which frees up that property, right? So that's that's one thing we want to do is get that property freed up up there. It's like to just hear from the board where you guys are on on the old courthouse remodeling it or tearing it down.

Hey Bryce, how does the courthouse compare? Yes, sir. How does square footwise? How does the old courthouse compare with the size of the the new preschool that you're looking at for 6 million? I'm not exactly sure off the top of my head.

I'd like to know that because if if it's going to cost me 6.5 million to renovate something that's pretty old and we can knock it down and build something brand spanking new for roughly the same amount of space at a cost savings of a half a mill. I would be amanable to that. I didn't understand what you're saying. If you look on your list, to build a new preschool is $6 million to renovate the existing courthouse is almost $6.5 million. If space-wise they're the same, then heck, build two preschools and make one of them into the courthouse. Not the courthouse, but you know what I'm saying. The office building that would would have been occupied by the people in the courthouse.

Mr. Sons, I don't know if if the I I know that the prek was, you know, planned for I don't know if there was a specific square footage that was, you know, planned for that facility. I'm looking at Dr. Boyd. I don't So, not that we were called there. It's not a, you know, a comparison. 24,000 square foot for this and a 20, you know, 1,000 square foot for that. How do we get the number

from a design standpoint on that on that preschool building? I know there's documents out there and guidance from uh different firms that would provide uh you know data on if you're having a certain number of students in here, you need to allocate this many classrooms, this many bathrooms, this much space. But I don't think I haven't seen anything um come through the county on on what those actual needs are for that building as far as size and and space. Then $6 million is kind of a wag right now. Then

yeah, just to point out what you've got on the PowerPoints different than our sticky. Our sticky was like the base, like don't add anything onto it. Just got it. It was like 6.5 mil and you've got 23.9 up there. So for the old courthouse remodel, it was that's the remodel and the addition together. That's those two combined costs. Um I'm not seeing the I think it's proven their point. There's a lot of unknowns when you're going into an old building,

right? And when they did that analysis, there were still people occupying that building. So they couldn't really look behind the walls and really see the all I all I remember is all the people that are now in the new courthouse who told me they could breathe a lot better since they've been over there. So someone who now has a little bit of a compromised immune system, I would want to make sure we had a newer building, but to make sure that we preserve, especially the bricks of that courthouse because in the research that I've done, those bricks came from the 1820s courthouse when they they put some of them in there. So we need to do something to preserve those bricks if it be like I know m Mr. Smold had has some ideas, m Miss South has some ideas, all of us have some ideas, but to some preserve that at least because they are from the original building that unfortunately if you look in some of the documents that um Vic Mason's grandfather wrote, we didn't take care of stuff in King George going back to the Civil War. I mean that courthouse in the 1820s when was like falling in when they built the 1922 courthouse and people complained about the price of that and I think it was only $23,000. So we got to make sure whatever we do, we make sure we take care of it from now on. So I guess in the end I would be for tearing it down to bit but making sure we preserve. Any other comments? We're ready to move on.

Yes.

Okay. Next one. New administration building. So, another option that's out there is the the Riverbome building out to the west was, you know, meant to be added on to um and and we we've looked at this and you know, from a planning standpoint again, you know, a reform planer. Don't know if I'd add right on to it, but rather build a new building next to it with a a covered um you know, walkway between the two to create a sense of place. If we're thinking of this is this is the kind of the the one of the focal areas um for the county and with the new administration building this would you know bring the school board over here this would bring our social services who we we rent right now it uh and uh engineering so uh we got a cost estimate 26.8 8 million and we actually owned for those who don't know when you go on the GIS there's the chunk of land down the uh the parking lot and then if you go to the north there's there's substantial land back there. So um you know some people may say well Mr. Small you're going to lose a lot of parking if you build here there's ample room for for parking and storm water up to the north preliminary uh you know looks at this. So the 27 million uh would be to to to house all of the in one-stop shop for everybody and to get us out of our leases that we're in. Um and then again rather build a a building for 50 to 70 years and have it rather than on a year-to-year lease kind of at the at the mercy of the landlords. So uh any specific questions on on this project for a new administration building?

This is adding on to the building. You could add on or again it could be a building right next to it with a covered covered walkway creating a sense of place between be attached by that that that is correct. Yes sir. I know you envision like a lunch area out there and whatnot maybe. Yeah, I I see a covered area, you know, with landscaping, a seating area and and if we we'll get into, you know, the the bigger vision for this, you know, if if this is uh in into play by the board of supervisors, that's mostly in lie of what we do at the old courthouse. That's correct.

Would that also include bringing in some um like social services where we pay rent like bringing them into the fold? That That's right. So, so that's correct. You want you really want social services in your building because there's there's state money that comes to help pay down, you know, that lease or or the note. So, it it's good to have social services in a county owned building. All right. You should switch spots with them. I'm packing my box tomorrow.

All right. Moving on. So, uh, Central County Storage Facility. So, this was on I know Dr. Boyd had this on his CIP last year where it started, you know, really getting getting us thinking. Uh, does the county or can the county partner with the schools for a central storage facility? So, instead of buying paper by the box or, you know, supplies by the box, now we can buy it by the pallet. And going back to my boy scout days, I see this as you get a quarter master and you get all the supplies there and they they check them out to school or or uh county facilities. Now looking at this uh we we we took the school's initial proposal. Then we thought about how you know how how how big would this need to be for a shared facility. We came up with a 40,000 foot facility at $5.27 million. So this would be to build. There are some options out there, some potential of, you know, maybe purchasing other buildings in the community to to serve this purpose. But for for the exercise tonight, we're just going to keep building a new facility on the table. Some of the questions that we've we've talked about are location. You some some people have thrown out, well, can we use the old middle school location where we tore it down? Okay. So now you're putting that signal out there by the sheets and the Liberty in play with with everybody going to pick up their materials with the trucks, you know, delivering them. Another option would be, you know, possibly the down where Chief Moody alluded to next to the school bus garage. You know, that may be easier on and off for deliveries and kind of out of the way. You're not not going through one of the most congested intersections in the county. So locations to be determined, but all in all, I think this is a a worthwhile effort, a good opportunity for the schools and the county to partner together for one shared facility. One thing I would like to add on there and I thought about this today is if we had a facility like that. I know there's a lot of moving pieces especially for tearing

down builds build buildings and renovating other buildings but offering the three the Ralph Bunch alumni society the historical society and the Dogger Heritage Museum someplace to store their artifacts that may that are right now draining their coffers you know to to be able if we're going to have possibly them all together in one location that benefits the community in in the county with a visitor center welcome center whatever that in this facility we could also have a place for them to at least store their stuff so that that cost is not born. Just a just an idea I wanted to throw out. I thought about it this morning.

Not to be the downer on this one, but you got to put your business hat on. How many reams of paper do we really save this money if we're paying the electricity to heat, cool, secure this? Clear the clear the snow when it when it snows, right? So, there's a reason Amazon's in business and all the other logistics distribution companies that we work with, right? Because they do it all for you and it's on demand delivery. And I I the argument you've made tonight, I I I kind of understand why we would have come up with this as an idea, but I think you need to put this one needs some homework. Does it really make sense? We have a lot. We are storing a load of material left over from radio upgrades and you know materials here or there. I I think the one that probably makes sense I know the school stores you know chairs for events that they have right again there's reasons event planning companies are in business because they do all that for you. Yes, it's expensive for any one event. When you stack it all up and what do we have to pay for those things to sit idle months on end so that we can use them a couple times a year? Does it really make sense for us to be in the business of storage? So, just think about it. Not saying no, but you made the argument for me yet. The caveat I would throw with that is if you go over the courthouse, there's a lot of files that we have to store and some of them are legally required and we have to store them for a certain amount of time and there's and if we get rid of that building over there, where do they go? They need to go in climate control facility because we don't need to be paying for storage anymore because I know there's a there are documents specifically for the courthouse that have to be stored for a certain amount of time. They can't be destroyed until time and I know we have service authority stuff over there, county stuff. They were all in storage facilities and now they're sitting over there.

All right, I'm ready to move on. Uh, Mr. Clark, I'm going to let you take the lead on this one. So, um, Sedrooks Park Junior Park is the only major park in the county without flush restrooms. um a number of years ago trying I don't recall exactly which fiscal year it was this item was approved um it was funded through either ARPA or CARES Act money um so when we got to the deadline of spending that and we did not have water lines yet into the park um finance elected to pull that project back with the county administrator both those folks aren't with us anymore um but they they pulled that back rightfully we moved I believe that funding moved to some of the interconnect projects which were very important for the service authority um it's our top scoring park it's our most popular park every time we do a survey it's the one in particular for adults that scores the highest the kids sometimes Seals or Barnesfield wins out based on what sport they play but it it really would be a good upgrade the challenge and why we have $850,000 is water and wast wastewater connections are now at the top of the hill um at the corner of Ridge Road and Henry Griffin Road. But um last calculation I got from engineering was it's approximately a million dollars a mile to run those water lines and so we're looking at almost half a mile to get down to the end of the baseball field where we would put this facility. Um there are green options where you can rainwater collect. Um we already have the power in the park so we wouldn't have to do the solar panels. Um, and you could do it as a vault where local services would still come in and and pump it out every week. Um, cuz a force man coming out of there is going to be a challenge. Um, cuz it kind of sits in a hole. Uh, and obviously we know that waste will be

going back to Hopyard now. Um, but that's that's the big pro. It's a it's it's the one thing we just don't have down there that would really make that park great. I I didn't see it in this CIP plan, but I thought there was some upgrades to the transfer station as well. Any other options for getting water there to the park? Not yet. I mean, that is an irrigation well on site, so we could I don't know what it's rated at.

Um we we pretty much use that to water the native plant garden or the trees when we have extreme drought. Um, it was put in so we could use water reels on the Bermuda grass. It's not sufficient. So, so my other question would have been, have you looked to see if there's new grant money that would be available for doing this ADA access?

I have not dug into that. It would be worth investigating. Yeah, I could do that. You know, as I've heard from a lot of people, they would like restrooms there, especially those that feel very uncomfortable about using portaotties or you have little kids and it's very difficult, especially you're at a sporting event to get your kid in the portaotti to, you know, and think about that. A lot of people, the citizens do would like I know a lot of people walk there would like at least some kind of restroom facility for that park.

All right, you're good, Mr. Chairman. So staying with parks and recck we'll talk we've got our friends here in the audience uh from the historical society and from Ralph Bunch. So u you know m Mr. Clark you want to continue on this one? You got a couple here in a row.

Yes. So um the Ralph Bunch uh high school is on the National Historic Register and the Virginia State Historic Register. Um in 2023, I think it was 2022, we finished an updated business plan for the building with the Ralph Bunch. We had a Ralph Bunch advisory committee formed by the board of supervisors. Miss Bender was on it. I've been on it. Um formerly our economic development director and then members from the alumni association, the historical society, the and the community uh and visualize and rise and the alumni association both have uh memorandums of understanding with the county uh with fundraising goals. WY Wilson helped us at the time and we came up with a they came up with a $10 million rehab cost um to renovate both the build the school building and the auxiliary building which was their vote center um in the ' 50s. In that u obviously we the ma one of the main components would be the uh the history of the road to desegregation in King George County. Um, many don't know that the case here was one of the cases that helped spur Brown versus Board of Education and was, I believe, was enjoined, if I understand the history right, um, with that case. Uh, it's an extremely important facility um, to the community. There's a lot of potential on the site. We own that lot is much bigger than just the cleared area that we have. Um, there's a lot of property there. There's some topography issues as you go back as there are pretty much anywhere in King George County. U but both those groups with theirus um the potential to do some parks and rec programming in there. Uh we talked about possibly moving uh the cooperative extension in there at one point to give it a full a full-time resident um because that's another county supported office that rents space. Uh lots of opportunities and then using the field as well. At this time, the field's used for I parks and rec soccer for some practices. Not our best

field, but maybe not our worst field because we just need as many rectangles as we can. But there's a lot to do in that facility. I know we've there have been some conversations going around about possibly putting all of the the history of King George in one place and possibly expanding that museum from just being our road to desegregation to being more of King George from for from back to 1200 to to modern day so that we were um celebrating all the history you know our progress with desegregation our colonial history or Native American history and then also poss possibly the base history.

My my question though, the just forgive me, the new visitor center that museum, I mean, wouldn't that alleviate that if we took Ralph Bunch and made it into the Ralph Bunch Historical Society Event Center, you know, make that name as long as you want. I don't know how you want to make it, but So, so this is the one that you and I have discussed across the parking lot here,

right? So this will be a so without jumping ahead. So an idea that that that is on the table would be if the old courthouse were to be demolished, a new structure goes up there again to start to create a sense of place. It's, you know, we're looking to create that downtown. And the analogy I use is when you throw a rock in a pond, the ripples are going to go outward, right? Well, why not why doesn't the county be that rock to start the, you know, the transformation of the Route 3 corridor for this downtown? So, so my vision is if you've ever been in a a a Virginia welcome center on the interstate, you walk in a common area in the middle, picture one side where you know you have the museum portion, the other side, tourism, economic development offices with a common area. You can have events there. So that's, you know, that's that's an idea that I have for this area over here. Um, so yes, to answer your question, you know, if that is a priority of the board, we could work in all of our museums in one central location here. Again, bring everybody here to downtown King George, get out, you know, visit the tourism office, see the sites, learn the history of the community, and then go out from there to to, you know, see the sites.

Thank you. And Claudette, you might know this. So I I believe that there was a a do there was a a portion of work that had to be done in order for us to be open for more grants. Is that is that right? You can step up to the mic. You come on up. Both of y'all come up. Come on up here. Yes. on the internet. Yeah, there is. We got it close.

So, you have the president, myself, of the RAW Alumni Association, and Renee is also the vice president of the RAW Alumni Association. She's the president of the historical society. Okay. So, it was originally 8 million and we as advisory committee, the uh King George Ralph Bunch Advisory Committee decided we'd bump it up to 10,000, 10 million. So, if we fell short, we would hit the 8 million. So, it's not a true 10 million. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. Okay. Um,

but there was a portion of work that if we give grants for um active things, we wrote the grant before and got 500,000 to put the roof on the building to stop all that. And uh somewhere along the line, we lost a grant writer, but Mr. Smick decided he was going to help us write grants, which he has yet to do. Boo hiss.

And and so they're looking for uh things that actually happen. They want shovel in the ground action in order to do these grants. We put in for one we didn't get because there's nothing where someone could come in and do a tour to see anything whatever. So we've got to get something. So that's how she Lisa Hall with the Northern Neck Tourism Group is a grant guru. I mean she is a facilitator of grant ideas and facilitator to help with those applications with not just our group but with many groups across the Northern Neck. So her conversation with me was that if the building was open at all, if you just had a foyer and you could open the doors and you had a foyer and you had a little welcome forer there, then that could display the history of Ralph Bunch High School kind of like out there.

Uhhuh. That's all it would take. And then she would be able to open the floodgates of grant opportunities to us. But she cannot do that without the building being open to the public. It just has to be open. It doesn't have to have some minimal square footage of what's open. You just have to be able to go in it.

And I can also say that we have some other resources in the pipeline for willing like Dominion Power for fiber optics, but they can't put in fiber optics. We have uh mold and what else? Asbestos and that sort of thing. So, we've got to have a working uh area. If if for instance if that old gym were the first thing to be done, Chief could have his birthday party there, you know, but we've got to have some portion of it open. Um the portion that Jaman Bushard is working on is is the old industrial arts building. We had an an event on the property September 20th and no with over 300 people there this year and last year. There was nothing that they could do or see inside the building and that was very disappointing. And even that building wasn't ready. We cleaned it as a Martin Luther King Day theme, but the electricity is spotty and it's still wet and the roof leaks. So, come on people. I'm getting older and older

and and I don't there's power in the industrial arts building, but I don't think there's any power in the main Well, yes, there is. And and it's not steady in the industrial arts building. Yeah, I heard Chief Moody saved the day a couple years ago when that almost burned. Is that right, Chief? Your guys did. Yeah. But there's power in there because I've been in with mask and all of that and done a survey and looked around and those of us who kicked the pigeons aside and so forth, we go in from time to time to see what else is necessary. Chris and whoever else, they board up the windows so that the birds don't come in and take rooe. And thank God it's not swamp land. We'd have alligators, you know.

So, so I guess obviously obviously we're we're pitching all of the things that you're talking about here tonight. We're pitching the opportunity for tenants, right? Tenants in the building. We as a King George Museum would be a tenant. Alumni would be a tenant. Bunch Alumni Association would be a tenant. Would be a tenant. So the overall name bunch, whatever you said, however long it goes, that's the key. That's what keeps us on the Virginia registry and the national registry and the congressional record for what took place and how Ralph Bunch came to be. But we're all tenants because you own the property and that would be the home of Yeah. whomever. I mean every the extension office, the commercial kitchen that would be there, all of those things,

parks and wreck

and that and that we even in the plan that we had that I sent the email to you and had the various pictures of things like that, those things also included meeting rooms, adult classroom education possibilities. If you wanted other tenants in there that are you're currently paying rent for to house them somewhere else, that could be where they are and we lose a couple of those classroom locations for whatever. It could be whatever the county thinks saves the county the most money with regard to taking people away from places that you're paying rent for. We understand that what's going to be housed there are tenants of organizations and run by parks and wreck with massive potential especially with the gym. Not just basketball games, theater events, movie events, all kinds of things that can happen, dances in that gym, never mind visualize and rise and all their athletic opportunities that are going to come to pass. Um, and German Bushrod's affiliations with his partners that plan to help in this uh in this event. Yeah, with counseling and and STEM programs at a lower level, which is a teaching kitchen, people can get certified so that they can

really sell stuff at the farmers market and conference rooms. I had a minister ask me, "Is Rap Bunch working? We want to have a conference. It's not working, you know. Join up. Help us." They can have one. It's got to wear a mask. Yeah, that would be fun. So, you could even have the Heritage Museum in there. All three museums in one location. Not the Dog Heritage. That's a whole separate ball game and you know that. Yeah. Yeah. But you know that is a possibility. Nope. No big gun. Stop it. There. There's room. Now you talked about putting parks and wrecks in there at one time too.

Well, no. Some of some of Chris staff like the entryway for introductions and opening and closing unless someone wants to put me on salary. But certainly um they're crowded. A lot of people are crowded and renting the space. Basically, they would be in charge of renting the space. Okay. Absolutely. because it's a county building. I'm saying not because we think they're the ones that should do it, but they're they're the county. So, and here's the other thing. We could the cost of all this this could be split up over many years. Correct. I mean, or finding some very nice donors. So, no grants, Mr. Smick. I like I mean, I like the idea I like the idea of redoing the building and making it this place that people go and I think it's a beautiful area. You can have like a little park over there. I mean, just

it's a perfect location just catching everybody on 301 to catch the history of the county right there in that that spot. But I'm intrigued right now about the the renovating of the gym first because it ties right into what what Bush Rod's doing next door, which is athletics and things of that nature, but it could also be used as a banquet hall. It could also be used, Rick, you're saying, for different things. Absolutely. And that would at least start bringing life back to the property itself. You know, you have indoor concerts and stuff, you know, do there, right? Movie night, have your own little jazz festival. And there's also a warming kitchen there for catering. There's a lot that could happen there. And Parks and Rex could use it and all that. Yeah. For wrestling.

Yes. Yes. I'm just saying we need a spot for them project because it still has the bee, you know, the the original bee. It still has original things about it that we'd want to keep. Yeah. page for restoration for you. It's not That's right. It's not even a complete redo. So, you know, that's an advantage. Exactly. Exactly. Well, I'd like to get an idea how much that would cost just I I see the big picture. Just what that would cost. I'm not saying that I don't want to do the whole thing. I'm just intrigued by for the gym of getting something like that done and then seeing what opportunities that opens up for more. Phase one, two, and three. Yeah. Okay. And that'd be phase one in a way. Okay. All right. We talked to you and went.

Well, the same ones who did that. Well, the only thing I would like caveat, we probably have to deal with the uh hazardous materials inside before we renovate any part of it. So, that would probably have to be stage one under construction, like a website under construction. Thank you so much. Can I get a yes? Okay, I see the heads nodding. Yeah, Mr. Mitch, you want to you want to say Mr. Mitch?

I was gonna say you guys have put some great words here tonight. if you could put that down in a couple of pages in a white paper about what you you know this is a vision right maybe some offramps and some alternatives because I I think that's what a lot you see the response here when you have a vision it's much easier for us to figure out how it folds in with what we want to do with the county all right thank you

any other questions from the board right moving So rec center. So we talked I know uh Mr. Davis you mentioned dominoes earlier. You know the order of the dominoes falling. This this would be another one. You know depending on whether or not you you the board's priority if you want to tear down the old school board building which means the school offices would need to get relocated somewhere and then you could go ahead and build this rec center over on that property. So, this is focusing uh you know where the the old school board offices $14 million uh bring in sports tourism, track meets, basketball tournaments, whatnot, and you know you know possibly re-energize, revitalize the pit. Um but there are a couple steps in order to make this happen as I as I stated with courthouse and making sure that our schoolboard office has a home. And if that's renovating here or building onto the admin building, that's really step one. This would be a next step down the line. Any specific questions?

So, this is more what we talked about as far as like a fieldhouse type building. This isn't just like what we have over here right now that you guys are using.

So, I based our design um one of the things my two boys both my my two oldest boys run track. Uh Mr. Met's son runs with them. Um and I visited Rockingham County's facility um back in the fall. I'd been following the progress of their rec center. um they went through some some challenging times before they got it passed. Um they're they're funding theirs with using their tourism occupancy tax along with revenue being generated. They put a 200 meter indoor track inside that it's a flat track so they can run they run both collegiate and high school events. Um have the ability to do the weight throw and shop inside. There are three basketball courts that are within the track. So on non-track days they have basketball courts. They then have another basketball court in an adjacent gym uh with some classrooms, their departmental offices. Um Mr. Mets went down and visited. I believe he said when his conversations with their director that they're essentially they're revenue positive um and are are paying their note based on what they've got there and their and their their you know their hotel tax. Um we don't have an indoor track in our region. Um tomorrow our high school team and the battlefield districts which is you know from us and Caroline out to to Co Pepper we're running at Woodberry Forest um the private school out there renting that facility. Uh we go to you know the our region meet which uh for our region for region 4 uh whatever 4B. Um we go down through Hanover County um and out to Louisa. They're we're going to run the region meet in a couple weeks down at Boo Williams in Hampton. Um closest one they could find that could house the entire region. So there's be a lot of potential for indoor track meets both just standard Wednesday night meets where we could invite teams in um and have revenue that way. also do some invitational type things on Saturdays or or on Saturdays and Sundays. Um possibly

working with the University of Mary Washington um and hosting some collegiate meets in addition to having you know basketball courts, a senior's room, um other opportunities maybe you know to get some full recreation in one place. The challenge we have other than the the citizen center which is two uh you know it's a 50 by 50 room with two 50 by 50 rooms with a dividing wall that you can open and have nice banquetss. Every other athletic program we do is in a facility owned by King George County Schools or operated by King George County Schools. It's a school building. It's the Quanza Hut. It's the it's the school board building. Um it's the current vote building which we'll know won't be with us much longer. Um, so we're we're in borrowed space everywhere. Uh, we can't offer daytime activities. We've got seniors that come to us and say, "Hey, you know, we would like to play pickle ball during the day. Uh, I don't have an indoor spot to play pickle ball. Um, you know, we we put lines in in gyms. Uh, King George Elementary, we've played there, but then again, we can't play that till about 6:30 depending no matter what season is because once the school day ends, then we're doing our before and after school care." Uh, give us a lot of opportunities. It's one of the things there's there's different ways. Originally, my fir original one that I was looking at, you know, and kind of was drawing in my head was more like Fredericksburg Fieldhouse where we would have multiple courts and opportunities like that. Probably wouldn't have that many turf fields. Um, but that size facility um very similar. The first time I went in there to watch uh some some events, I immediately did my wreck brain and was like, "Okay, that's a basketball court and that's a basketball court and that's an office." and counting off the length of the the dasher boards knowing they're six foot, you know, 4 foot pieces of glass and I had I had it all sketched out in my head. Um, you know, we just don't have that opportunity for our kids to be able to offer solid programs. Now, there's the other option

of are you going for a sports tourism type fieldhouse? Uh, which is an option. Most, you know, Jinga Beach has a couple of those. uh the Henriiko Sports and Entertainment Center, I believe it's what it's called. It was the mall. It's got 16 or 18 basketball courts that you can turn into 24 volleyball courts. It has an arena court. Like, it really is a tourism aspect. And that kind of facility you typically contract out to a firm that runs those type facilities. The best local example of that besides Frederick Fieldhouse, the same company also operates the Rouse Center for Stafford County Parks and Recreation. And so they run that pool and rent that pool out. Stafford did not opt to rent them the Embry Mill Sports Complex, the the turf fields there. The county still operates those in partnership with Stafford Soccer. But those are the options. um you know trying to find a place that we could one possibly eventually get parks and wreck off of the taxpayer dollars by developing enough revenue um and then also to be able to provide a good number of activity spaces for our community without having to lean so heavily on the schools. One of the conversations Dr. boy and I had very early in the school years. We've gone through some transitions of previously it was anybody who wanted to in the schools pretty much after 5:00 would go through us and so we would have a company you know somebody come in and say I want to have this event and we would write a principal and say hey is the school available this day at this time and they would write back sure and that was pretty much all the information we gave them because now we've put this reservation in and they've got pictures on camera of kids running on the second floor of country or going in a library and principles are coming back to us going well really they're pointing to Dr. would saying what was in my school and you know yes we had a staff member there but if that staff member is dealing with something in the restroom

and now we've got people where they aren't shouldn't be we've taken all those three third party reservations and now the school is doing those after school you know any of those which has helped the operations I think it gives them better confidence of what's in their schools if it's not one of our direct programs but it's you know it's limited space we we will literally have people call and we've had it you know I need to have a baby shower well the citizen center's rented Well, how about the Quanet Hut for a baby shower? It's a gymnastics facility. Nope. Sorry. It's running for birthday parties. Well, can we use a school gym? Like, they're just looking for space. And a school gym is not really the right place for a baby shower, but we don't have those those large meeting facilities. You know, they got

clubhouse. You know, it's $100 an hour. Um, so it's it's it's a difficult thing to figure out. In my world, I know this is probably the 10th project in the line of dominoes of the things that we have to do. So, it's not it's not a tomorrow thing. Um, but there are there are plenty of options there. You know, whether we could put it on the site and renovate the pit as well in that and have an amphitheater and a quality field. You know, Dr. Boy and I talked about the ads, the football coaches. If we could have a field there that was renovated and ready and we could have an event there, those folks that have been in this c community forever would love us. Um, you know, that's always the question is, can't we play one football game a year there? And we're like, uh, not right now. Those bleachers are a little, uh, they're fine, but they're not great.

They work for what we use them for, but I would not want to make a full house. They're not they're not conducive for the um people who carry cell phones now because everything falls into the weeds below it and you there's no blocking like they have now in bleachers. So yeah,

I'd just like to add to Mr. Clark's statement there. So, um, I I went up and got a tour of the facility with their assistant parks and recck director and, uh, it's a 200x 400t steel building that looks not like a steel building. And, uh, so that's why, uh, Mr. Boyd, I was asking about the design of the CTE building as well. It's almost one of those I I wish we could make these two work together, but I know some of the classes have specific um air handling restraints and thickness of concrete and that kind of stuff. But, you know, it's really close. Uh because the way Rockingham runs that facility, it is their um citizen center. Uh the the classrooms that are there are full all the time. Um and pickle ball courts in the middle of the track. But what was fascinating was if track ever goes out, it they pull it up, it's on a flexible floor space and and you can replace the whole thing. As a matter of fact, they do flip that building for multiple uses. Um, it happened to coincide with a track meet with the school, which is why I was there. Um, they were flipping it the following weekend to hold a NCAA archery event. So, the first thing that went in my mind was the JOTC rifle club needs space, right? Um, and I it's a big facility. So, I asked them about their operating costs. Their weekend rentals were exceeding their operating costs, doesn't pay them the loan, the the debt that they had taken out, but then they were using um EDA and and tourism dollars for that. So, it was a fascinating funding resource for that. So, it is one of the facilities. Yeah, it's probably down the list, but it's one of the few that we talk about where it probably has an opportunity to uh you know, you make an upfront investment to have it pay for itself.

And I can tell you the one in Blue Williams, you'd be surprised. They make more of their money because as a track meet, you're trapped there for hours. They they make their money off the concessions. Oh, yeah.

And that's how they make their money is because you're trapped there. But uh also too, James City County is building a new facility, but they have a partnership with the Williamsburg and has got I think they've gotten some money, federal money, but their facility, what I've seen the diagrams, is going to be really nice. And they're going to have community invest pickle ball courts, you know, basketball, small track, you know, a whole bunch. It'll be good. That's what I envision. And and I spoke to M uh Ruth Larson of James City County board member just last week and she offered you know Matt if you want to bring your your crew down for for tours. It's between York County City Williamsburg and James City County. Great partnership between those three.

Yeah. Ruth and I've been Ruth and I have been talking. She keeps saying you got to come down Kathy. So I love that if you set up that trip to come down to see that because I I saw the steel frame of it when I was there last year. So I'm sure it's much further along.

All right. If no other questions, I'm going to We got a couple more projects here. I just want to go through this. This next one's pretty basic. You know, land for economic development, four $5 million. We don't know what it's going to be. So, having been in economic development for for a number of years, I know the importance of having land that is controlled by a locality versus dealing with a third party. and and dealing with those negotiations through the state, through the site selection consultant. Uh it's just taking one level of uncertainty out of the picture if the county owns it. And I know the county had planned for an addition uh an expansion or a second industrial park. Um that's that's still on the table. You know, that that's where this vision comes from whether it's manufacturing, distribution, or or or whatnot. But the goal here is to to own and control the property. And there are you'll hear a presentation by um GWRC at your next meeting. There are it's go Virginia grants. Uh state has Virginia business site ready grants and a lot of that is geared towards it's it's preferred if a locality owns it. State money goes into locality owned properties versus private properties. So $45 million. Um pretty straightforward here. Any questions? Okay. Next one. We we touched on this a little bit already. Uh cost too busy determine. We really haven't gotten that far with this. Uh the the current schoolboard office where where Dr. Boyd resides every day. I I know last year at the CIP the board explicitly talked about this and there I think Dr. Boyd had put five or six projects in the CIP last year and this board decided that we're not going to put any more money into this facility. So, uh, really the only thing else would be to to demo it. Again, this is this one of those dominoes. Where does it fall in in line with, uh, you know, making way for for

new office space for for the folks over there. Moving on next, if there's no questions, uh, the prek facility, I know this was these these funds were borrowed as with the 2023 series bonds. So, some money's already been borrowed. uh they borrowed it for company 2 and the prek back in 2023. Um you know I know there's there was some discussion amongst the school board and with the superintendent. Do we build a standalone facility or do we house it at the individual schools? So this is still out there. Money's already been borrowed for this. uh if you know if if it doesn't get built, we can roll I'm quite certain after conversations with Sans Anderson and Davenport, we can roll this money into other capital projects. Um similarly, if we have if there's money left over for company 2, we'll be able to roll those funds into into another capital project. So, Dr. Boy, is there anything specifically you wanted to talk about with this one? I I can just tell you that right now we're we're making plans uh in the schoolboard office and amongst the school board to uh have our preschools at our elementary schools as it currently stands right now. Um we see the instructional benefit of that making sure that uh those three fouryear-old students get that experience in their in their home school as they metriculate into kindergarten. So um we know we still desire space. We need space. Uh however, we're making some modifications on our end uh in terms of the preschool right now, especially with vocational school being being our priority.

Thank you, Dr. B. That that does help a lot of people that use prek is also an an enabler for getting them back into the workforce. So, um being close to home is helpful. Thank you. I like that plan. And I know a lot of people on your board are kicking around the idea of they want a preschool in every school.

Yes, that that's that's actually what we're working towards right now. Space is an issue. Uh particularly at Ptoic Elementary School. Honestly, it's that's where it's very challenging. Um we've discussed some possibilities. Currently, we have seven classrooms at King George Elementary School dedicated to the preschool program. We're trying to consider uh freeing up some classrooms at our other two elementary schools. We had a very good meeting yesterday talking about uh the future of our different uh we have three three preschool programs right now. We have early childhood special education, we have BPI, we have Head Start. And we're talking really about what all those all three of those programs and what they look like. We really want to expand access and and make sure that we uh can serve as many kids in our community as we can because honestly, I'll tell you, we see it firsthand, but the research shows it as well. those kids that have that preschool experience and go into kindergarten, they are leaps and bounds ahead of uh other students that are starting kindergarten for the first time and and that being their first experience in schooling. So, uh when you look at the research, that's a huge bang for your buck when it comes to um their growth and metriculation through the public school, getting that head start in the preschool program. So, we're still focused on that. Uh but in terms of facilities, I can tell you the board's uh uh priority is is the vocational center right now. And we're trying to work within our existing resources to satisfy the needs uh of our preschool students uh in terms of what the school board needs.

Any additional questions from board members? No.

All right. Thank you. So next one. There's there's no cost associated with this. This is to be the new visitor center. Should that courthouse uh be tore down visitor center museum building, whatever you whatever you like to call it. Um but but this is I talked about this already. I did not put it in this year's CIP just because I knew there were so many dominoes ahead of this, but I did want to put this on the board's radar um to see where it is in your priorities. So very you and I there there's another deal we're working with the uh museum at the foot of the 301 bridge working with VTC right now. some preliminary discussions on um reutilizing, you know, the county running some of that space. So, that's that's a little bit more to be determined, but this this particular visitor center would be across the parking lot where the old courthouse is located. So, that's it. Um those are those are the projects. Um so, initially when I planned this, it was now go through and and and you know, drag and drop all your notes, but I've been watching I've been watching all the activity going on here. Uh, and I know the board members have been hard at work. So, Mr. Dyn, I I think if you grab control of the whiteboard, we can we can zoom in on this. And a bunch of posts.

Oh, I do. I may not come to a decision today.

All right. So, so for the public, the way this is set up, um, each board member has a a specific color. I know Miss Bender is green, Mr. Davis is blue, Mr. Mets is the orange, Mr. Straoud's yellow, and Mr. Sullins is the gray. So, what what we've done is each project that we just went through with an an approximate cost, and there there are some deviations that were noted have uh they're on the left hand side, if you zoom out just a little bit, uh Mr. Mr. Dyn. So what we did, we organized these all on the left hand side and the board members have the ability to grab and drag their their particular project into the specific year starting in 2026 going out I think till 2038. So what this will do is this you know this creates a picture uh of of what the board's priorities are. So staff uh Dr. board and and the citizens will kind of know this is this is what the the board's direction that we're going to focus on and and work towards. So, if we do need some a few more minutes, um you know, that's fine. If there's any specific questions on any of the the remaining stickies, I'll be happy to answer them or any of my staff, you know, m Mr. Chair, if you want to, you know, five minute recess to to finish this up or any other board members if you need more time, whatever whatever y'all would like. Mr. Smalling, only question I had was the 2026. I mean, we're in FY26. I mean, this is a calendar kind of thing,

right? Yeah, that's we could have started in 2027. That the the main goal here is not specifically the year, but we're going to look at that first box. That That's right. What's your What's your top priority? Gotcha. Well, if you want to build a boat tank building in 2027, you got to start in 2026.

Yeah. I'm going to move by. So, That's for I just want to tear everything down. Now we just just tear let's just tear everything down and then it makes it so much easier,

right? I only have that one because if you're going to tear it down, we don't need to model it. That's the only reason I didn't. Okay.

There. I'm all done now. All right. I put it at the end because I already got it.

And Mr. Sullins, I see it looks like you still have, and this was a question that came up with a couple board members, you still have the old courthouse remodel there. If if if that is not your plan, just drop it in the very end. Uh just so we can clear house here and all the stickies are accounted for. Thank you, sir. All right. So, it looks like all the all the stickies are gone. So, Mr. Dimes, what he has up on the board and and a good question. You we're already in 2026. Uh is this really going to happen in 2026? No. But years aside, this gives staff, you know, what your priorities are. And what I'm what I envision here is Mr. D has three years up right now. We'll make this a public document on our website just so you know, people who want to follow this meeting, come back and and and watch it can see this this document to to get some understanding of, you know, where the county is going to head. But this gives us, you know, and I'm not going to go through all these right now, but this gives uh the the readers an idea of the top three-year priorities. And what we'll do, we'll we'll analyze this and we'll we'll crunch the numbers and and and put how many board members for this project, how many board members for that. Um and

this we could it's it's a living document. Yeah. Yeah, that's right. That's right. Yeah. This is not an end all beall. That is correct. Good point, Mr. Davis. Yeah. I'd like to um I could do it later. I just set some time to sit down with you this week. You got time this week for me to come by? I'll make time. Yes, sir. All right.

So, you know, but eventually we you know, we will need to while it is a living document. There will need to be some I guess I don't know if the word rigidity, if that's a real word, but some some structure to it so that my staff knows how to proceed, how to start working with our bond council and Davenport to finance it. you know, financing some of these projects, it's going to lead to your debt service and your your your year your annual debt service, which if there's no additional sources of revenue, that could lead to a tax rate increase. You know, my job is to to see what we can do to trim the budget and find additional sources the best that we can. But if if when you're talking some of these big ticket items here, that's borrowing and and that that's going to, you know, those are those are that's long-term debt. So, Mr. Mr. Davis, I'll be more than happy to sit down with you or and the same goes to any of the board members. If you got any questions, reach out to me for the public out there. Um, like I said, this this good point. This is a living document, but at some point in time, we'll need to kind of nail it down. But this is a great exercise. Gives me what I need. I think gives me what my staff needs. Um, good exercise.

And then that's one reason why I want to meet with you and kind of go over it and see what we're going to have some stuff up here and it's going to be out of order. I I can already tell by looking at some things like some things have to be torn down before you can do those pro. So we're out. So I just I just want to really map that out as opposed to just right here. It's a little and we'll look at that with with order of of projects. And what I can do I I'll provide a if I can get it by Tuesday night, I will. I can't promise you I'm going to get it done. I know my my weekend is full, but um if if not, maybe that that that next board meeting I will have a good summary of this uh for the board and the public. Yeah, I don't think any would expect anything next Tuesday. Okay. Okay. Thank you. People, we're going to be make probably making some changes over this.

We were planning for March. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. I was going to say so before or as you're in conversations with how we finance this, right? Some of these years got more we have more stuff in there than we can pay for. That's right. So it's we're going to need to manage our expectations and and some stuff will shift around based on that like but like if I want to have the area where the pit is redeveloped and the first thing is I mean you got to get the school board out of the schoolboard building, right? Well, so I put

the county building in there. If you come back and say, "Well, we have this other idea for space for them." Then I might move that was a pretty sizable budget item in there, right? I want to say there's a lot of questions attached to this stuff and that's one reason why we're going to have to dig into it before we expect you to come up for sure. Yeah. And the good thing is this is a living document. So at the future board meetings we can bring this document right up and we can start moving them around.

Absolutely. I want to thank Mr. Solins. You know it was he says you know Mr. Smoke let's because initially I I was talking to him about having this during a board meeting. He's like that's not going to happen. Let's let's do a separate work system. So Mr. Solins when you're listening thank you. Uh you know this this was not we didn't rush this. We took our time. So, um, any questions from anybody at the table here representing these projects or any of the board members? All right. Uh, what do we have here? So, I guess you got your secondary uh public comment. We did that, didn't we? Yeah, we did that. Address meeting item. All right.

Anybody want to talk? Anybody want three minutes? Claudette, four minutes. No. All right. Anybody online? No, Mr. Chairman. I'm assuming we received no correspondence. N. All right. I guess do I got a motion? Yeah. Chair, I'll make a motion we adjourn the board supervisors to Tuesday, February 17th, 2026 at 5:30 p.m. in the boardroom of the Rivercom building located at 10459 Courthouse Drive, King George, Virginia. Motion properly second for discussion. All in favor say I. I. We are journ. Thank you.