Zoning Board of Adjustment - Regular Meeting

all right uh someone here for you yes um first of all what's supporting your needs david marston which i don't know all right so the first thing we have to address is we're not similar before there are three board members here today uh peter is planning to join our board he is not getting started so you have right now today three possible votes now that's important because in order to have something passed, you need three votes, regardless of how many people are here today. So that means you have the right if you want to. We do it for five board members plus an alternate, plus Peter Rasubi, so if you want, you are absolutely within your right to decide whether you want to wait until next month, see how many people we can get there. Maybe we have a full board, maybe we have four, whatever it is, but right now you need all three votes. So it's up to you.

Do you want to proceed today or do you want to wait until next month? Then proceed. All right.

So we're going to move along with this today. We always start, so everybody knows, we start with y'all. You'll get whatever statement you want. The board will have questions for you, I imagine. Once that's done, the crowd will be able to come up and each person will speak. You're going to give your name, your address, say your piece. We might try to keep whatever you're talking about. add it to the actual application here and the consideration of what we're looking at, what that is, and some of the back and forth. We're going to go first, but back and forth. So if there's something against the application, then there's something for the application, back and forth until everybody's done. You will have an opportunity at the end of all of that to come back out and address it. So don't feel the need to jump in and address things in any way, because at the end, I will say, all right, Got a lot of feedback, let's toss this. All right. Starting out with you, go ahead and tell us about the application today.

My name is Jason Blackson-Binch. I live in Gary Town, 283 North Amber Road, Kensington. I purchased a piece of land three, three and a half years ago from Monique, North Ellis. Yeah, we'll save it over there. So I originally moved down to Hamptons, where I lived there for about two years, where I also did another development, which will be three months. Moving south is why I love all of the movements and the growth of it. Also,

I like the. Thanks to the.

Nice place to let everybody enjoy. So that's right. While that probably is kind of a little discreet there, I'm hoping to at least reimburse the area.

Um, you know, once through exactly your application, my big the premise for you is frontage. Yep. This lot has, as far as I know, 10 feet, 30 feet or something, whatever it is, has just a sliver of frontage. Yep, for the driveway. For the driveway. It needs, for your plan, 4 to 15 feet I think is total. So, that's a big gap. Yeah, I think he says that it needs frontage. I'd be interested to find out how you've come up with it needing frontage. And also just a side question if you consider this as a subdivision potential. To me, this looks more like a subdivision plan than it does, especially given the frontage, than it does something for a second. So if you could give us a little more.

Yeah, so the special exemption, I guess, is for the frontage. But I know from talking with the builders right now, that's basically it's almost like that's a division but

So he said maybe two eighties for my house. I saw that.

Do we have any more questions from the board?

I also have a concern with frontage and it doesn't meet the frontage requirements and I don't believe that you can request a variance from the listing requirements.

I'll say that, but they have not. So I would agree with this application. If a lack seems that it would be both a sign of exemption, which is us saying yes, you must have housing there, and invariance from a crime. That's how I'm reading this. So that is two separate things that we'll have to vote on to allow us to argue. I think that is how I'm looking at it.

Yeah.

And the private drive that goes through doesn't count towards the front end. That's kind of the problem, right? Is the private drive can ultimately count which front end is in the way, whether you do a site plan, because that's part of the planned site that you're designing here. the fact that you sit on that private drive doesn't count as your four hundred and fifty total fee. Because the road is not a public street so it doesn't count as a public road.

Anything else from you guys for now? Does anyone from the public wish to speak on this application?

I have just one question. Hold on, hold on. Even a quick question. I will insist, especially if you're able to go out to the microphone, give your name, your address, and it is very important you address the questions to the board, and we will then, hey, give you a response if you want, right? All right. In your address. My name is Richard Lloyd, and my wife Susan and I, about two and a half years ago, purchased a property in Toronto, Midland, street from the driveway that goes back to the property. And my question is, will it remain one parcel of land or will it be subdivided into three individual ownership plots? And I will direct that to the applicant. Can you answer that question for us?

As far as that was told from the middle perspective, yes, it would be three individual plots. The first one would have to be two acres. Each one after that has to have an acre.

That answers the question.

Anything else from the, do we have another rep from? Go ahead, say anything.

I'll pass you twice and I know that 19 turned into one word.

What do you think?

Thank you. All right. So, one thing, the drive lane would not fit any ambulances, trucks, anything like that, the opening of the trees. That would definitely have to be a two-lane road to get in and out. That's it, to get out of your property, right? All acres. So, all the coming from that, circle that lane. Okay, go on. Now, how many places, didn't you say that you had custom homes being built?

Custom homes, how many? An average of three homes?

Yes.

Okay. Now, the first one is on two acres, the other two are on one acre.

How far back does that go from the top?

Now what about packing? If you end up with this cluster development, what do they pack?

We just be buying single-family homes instead of driveway for each.

A driveway for each. Well, cluster homes usually have the cars in front of them and they're not spread out

jump in uh well i will collect your questions at the end when everyone's gone we'll throw all those together okay that does that work well whether it works or not so um if you could so if you could just your questions are great i appreciate them uh to the board if you could all right at the end i'm just going to take you through each of those with the audience okay all right so the main concern would be really number one we'd say that it would be

going in just the dirt road how can we ask questions again then so it would be the dirt road and it would be the people coming and going which definitely have to be two lanes and uh the traffic and i'm concerned about the children there the parks there's a lot of kids who play in the parks and run around people walk we have a new hospital there across the street uh it's just Well, if I can't ask any more questions, let's see. You can ask more questions.

Just direct them to the board and I'll give them once everyone's ready.

This way, we don't miss one of your questions and the outline has the opportunity to answer the question.

Okay. So nobody else, I mean, you couldn't certify this property, say, two or three years from now, would you?

That's a question that we're going to get answered, right? So one of your questions is whether it be self-development.

So I think basically... Now, how much will the homes be?

So I can answer that portion again and say that I believe they need at least 650 square feet of living space in each of the new buildings. That said, at this time, we're not required to give us exact site plans for what's supposed to be there. They just basically have to show how much people are interested. So 650 square feet is the minimum. They don't actually have to tell us how big these proposed houses are. In fact, they don't even have to build them on it. They're just taking full permission to move forward with it.

Well, I understand foster houses are usually 1,200 square feet. So I didn't know if there were going to be bigger homes going in there or not. Yeah, we have to look at the impact of the community, the traffic of the community. We have to ensure. What about septic systems? I mean, there's a lot of wetlands out there.

Okay, septic utilities, how does that work now? Okay, septic.

um also well animals i'm an animal lover i mean we like to keep our forest we have deer on there we did have a walking pad what about the walking pad i don't know if that would still be included will the public be able to take their walks along the back like we used to that was put in i'm pretty sure by mr lewis and that was for the community to enjoy as he did the parks everything else um i think we should take that into consideration because that was a gift to him and we're very fortunate to have him in our town and if you know mr willis of course he likes his nature he likes people he likes children and i'm just trying to keep everything the same way um these custom homes if there's three of them i can't imagine uh between the wetlands, between the sewage, utilities, the parking seems like that's going to take up a lot of space too. And there's land that you can't use out of the 12 acres.

So what happens with that land?

And how far would it come towards my house along the trees, along the road that you're going to leave property How far would the road be from the street to their homes? And the width of the street I'm concerned about. Very concerned about that because it's only one time. And the parking, what about rubbish disposal, utilities, fire departments, police departments have to get in there. But the way it's set up now, there's no way they can possibly get through that. That's a lot. They have to have, right away, they have to have a turning point, an out point, a turnaround point, sometimes a circle to get in and out of these homes. Old District, I understand too that the forests that are there, they are preserved forests and they can be cut down. You can't cut all the trees down up there.

That's another question.

just adding more vehicles, more problems with cars, school buses, the bikes on the road. And I don't know, Kensington is a nice farm, land buses, people's houses. And I personally need to see it going to developments, developments, developments. Why don't we think about having Nature and children, instead of always trying to get out and make some more money, get some more houses built, do this and do that. I'm not that type of person. I bought the property 25 years ago. You did. And I love it because of the privacy and because of all the nature, the walks, the trails, the parks. And I think most of the people in Kensington feel the same way as I do. I don't speak for anybody, but we do like our privacy and we do like the climate. We have to realize to bring more noise in.

Now, with these cluster homes, would you build them for one family or would you allow a generational cluster? Both. Both are right. Okay. Generational cluster would cause a real big issue. Okay, now we don't know if there'll be children in there, any citizens in there. And why isn't there another way out?

Why do they have to pick the road going up to, you know, why can't it be on the main street, right, and the cemetery part? That affects their property also, right?

Well, and I will say that they only own that one strip of access. One strip? Yes, they only own one strip. It goes along the side of the track, along the side of the park. Yeah. There's a dirt road there. Yeah. They don't own anything else, anything near the bridge. Who doesn't own anything? Yeah.

All right. So what would they do then? Who would they encroach on? Me? On my land?

Well, there's no, I would say there's no possibility of anybody encroaching at least on anyone's plan they can't do anything that's not on the road okay so there's no expansion beyond what there is now well like i don't know they may have an extra on either side of the driveway but beyond what the property that they actually own they can't expand on that so they can't force a road onto a property it's just a sliver that they don't think about what happened

It's not going to work. And then the ballpark is there, so there's not much to see. And then the kids play ball and have their seats there. I can't see the road going in at all in that area. I would think that they could put another road in on the main road in the library someplace, but I know the reason, too, it would cost a fortune to put it in. But if they're willing to do it, I would say, if it was me, I would do it for the safety purposes. So you got to enter and exit. I don't like this. They're in there in a cluster and there's no way that you have to say one road. So I figured if something happened to somebody in the houses, how would they get in there to get them? They wouldn't. They wouldn't be able to. If I had not, I wouldn't either. I don't think they're put up with that either. That's a lot about that. You have to have certain footage and you might see the trees and everything else.

other questions but unless somebody else speak but um and it's even wet in my eye

So I think that is something to think about.

Thank you. Before we move to the next, I have one question I want to ask you. So that I can stop, I'm going to sliver or whatever. Do you know how wide that piece is that does come in?

So it's a paved driveway. Okay. It's been paved since the 1st of April. So, yeah, at least. there's always been access in his access it has been fire trucks ambulances that have gone down there because the one was here all right what is what is

All right, so I'm hearing somewhere in the next 30, you're saying 38 or so. I'm just gonna call 40 for the rest of this, understanding that .

There's another misconception that this is cost of housing. It's really not a cost of housing. It's gonna be definitely single-family houses with their own lot. That's how we're gonna get some of that. Okay, so . There's going to be plenty of room to turn around for fire truck maintenance. It's required. So all that stuff will be done. We did the burn test on it with CEPIC. CEPIC is going to go right in front of Allison's.

Again, you get to all of those. I want to make sure we keep moving through. And I will also say a lot of what was just said, probably all of it, is normally addressed, all of those concerns are normally addressed during a recycling for a subdivision application, which is, you know, another SM4. To me, this looks like something that everyone will see as a subdivision rather than cluster housing, which we're looking at right now. So to all involved, one way or another, this will be addressed. All of those questions will be addressed, whether that's or the planning of this job, this question will get to some day or vision. So is there anyone before, Is there anyone in the public that's in favor of the application?

All right, go ahead.

Hello, I'm Devin Marcy Finch. I'm the daughter of David and Darlene. I just am in favor. I want to just say I know it's scary to see change in a town. and also have just moved down south and seeing a lot of developments and stuff going on. And it is scary to see things. But what my dad's trying to do is bring the town together and have families come in. It's not a cluster home. It's family homes. It's next to this play area, this park. And we're going to have beautiful, new homes for families to come into. So I'm in favor of that. And I would also like you guys to see some of his past work that he's done as well here in Kensington, as well as down in New Hampshire. It's very beautiful. And we take very much pride in what we do, what my dad does. Thank you.

Thank you. All right. Anyone else who would probably like to speak?

Go ahead. On the left.

Yes. Thank you, Marcia.

I think she covered a lot of what I was going to ask. I live in 23 Tribal Bend Lane, just down the road from this proposal. I think the question kind of comes from some confusion over what this proposal is, as this town meeting was called into action because of an ordinance to prevent a cluster development on the subject property. So the time is why this is listed as a cluster development on this announcement, yet it's not being described that way by the applicant. Also, my understanding is that The town requires two acres and 200 feet of frontage for each home. A cluster development would require 200 feet for the first home and then 100 feet for each additional. So it seems like the frontage requirements that you're describing to us are in line with a cluster development. Also, looking through the ordinances, it seems as though a cluster development is also described as an open space development. Is that correct?

I think they might be two separate types of special development, as I remember the other three ordinances, but I can take a look at that.

Okay. Yeah, if you could take a look at 3.5, I believe it says when you're reducing the minimum acreage required for a property development, you'd have to set aside a certain amount of land that would be open space and available to the public. At least 50% of that land cannot be wetlands or unavailable land. According to the United States Geographical Survey, about 6.2 acres of that lawn is described as wetlands. So that's over 50% of the lawn already. So I'm curious to know how they plan on setting aside the additional land for this cluster development, if that's what it is. It doesn't seem like that's been clearly described to us, in order to provide a very hard open space that then would be available to the public.

I did just take a moment. ways to develop. So the 3.5, they could have tried to find that. They had to find a cluster development. To your question, I would say to the Township related, this was the application is for cluster development. And I agree with you, it sounds like the applicant is looking for something that is may or may not be cluster development. It's not clear to me. That's something we'll have to drill into. It also, as I said before, it sounds like this might also involve a variance in order to even allow question development at this location to get confronted. So we are all on the same boat of trying to figure out what is the application after seeking and, you know, what do we do with that? And if it is the case that things change substantially, this board is always allowed to put this all through a month until the next meeting to continue it.

really try to get together any of them so a lot of them are so we're all here trying to figure it out exactly okay yeah i would say in order for the town to decide whether or not this is something that we would want in our community we should have a really clear understanding of what it is that we're voting on before there's a vote thank you thank you let's follow up with the front you've had your game go ahead

You don't get any of that student village.

Good evening, my name is Susan Lloyd, and I live in 22 Tunnel Bed with my husband, Rick.

And over the past two years, we've had the privilege of restoring our historic farmhouse. And through that experience, we've come to appreciate Kensington, its values, its history, natural beauty, thoughtful stewardship. And those qualities are what drew us here. and why we care so deeply about this decision. Our first concern of the 17-trundle bed project as it's proposed as it relates to public safety is public interest to safety. The only access that has been mentioned to these proposed homes would be the very narrow driveway that exits directly across from our property. That single tight accent point will serve Every resident, visitor, delivery truck, contractor, emergency vehicle, and snowplow associated with three homes as proposed. And considering this application, I hope the board ensures that a proposed driveway truly serves the public interest, provides safe access for all its users, and does not create unnecessary safety concerns for neighboring properties, including the park, and including the one directly across from its interest. about the spirit of the ordinance. What has impressed us with Kensington is that growth has never seemed to be the community's highest priority. Rather, the town has consistently prioritized conservation, rural character, and the preservations of the qualities that make it unique. Looking at this proposal, we can't help but wonder whether the focus has become maximizing the property's development potential rather than considering what kind of development best represents the neighborhood and surrounding landscape. As to the neighborhood character, our neighborhood is made up of homes that are thoughtfully situated on the landscape. While Trundle Bed is an east-west thoroughfare, the road is relatively quiet. The homes, open space, mature trees, and natural landscape together create the historic role of character that gives this area its identity Adding three homes behind a narrow driveway changes that character. My concern isn't that they're new homes. My concern is whether this type of clustered housing development is a concentration of home that adds traffic and activity that is inconsistent with the neighborhood as it exists today. I would ask the board to consider whether the design and the appearance of this clustered development is compatible. with the surrounding neighborhood and with Kensington's longstanding commitment to preserving its role and historic character. And regarding the mentioned wetlands and open space, another concern is the land itself. Although the parcel is 12 acres, a significant portion appears to be wetlands, which are not empty lands waiting to be developed. They are valuable natural resources that protect wildlife, absorb stormwater, and contribute to the beauty kensington i hope the board looks carefully at how much real buildable land exists and whether concentrating three homes wells septic systems driveways and utilities into the remaining upland is appropriate and regarding the impact of community resources we're deeply disappointed to learn that the access to the neighborhood nature trail has been closed whether or not this trail is legally protected Its connection to Sawyer Park in the Charles Hodges conservation era has long allowed residents to enjoy the natural beauty that makes Kensington such a special place to live. In fact, there have even been road improvements in a crosswalk to encourage the use of the trail. Access to the park and trail system was one of the primary reasons we chose 22 Drummond Bed. Over the past two years, we've worked closely with local architects and by contractor experience in historic homes to restore this nearly 250-year-old property in a way that complements the character of the surrounding neighborhood. My hope is that any future development at 17 Trumbull Bend will reflect the same spirit of stewardship, respecting not only the opportunity to develop the land, but also the qualities that have defined this part of Kensington for generations. In closing, I'd like to say we realize that the development of this land is inevitable. Yet there's a difference between the development that becomes a part of the community and development that changes a community's character. I respectfully ask the Board to carefully consider whether this proposal not only meets the standards for special exemption, but also reflects the values, stewardship, and long-term vision that Kensington has worked so hard to preserve. Thank you so much for your thoughtful consideration and for your service to our community.

Mike Wayne, 15 Stumpfield Road.

Just a couple of thoughts. A lot of what this argument discussed today. I would just ask a couple of other things for the committee. Had all of the abutters been notified and had they had proper time to meet with council to understand exactly on the application. My understanding, plus for homes, is that it is a small group of homes with a shared common area. This clearly sounds like it's a request to subdivide. I don't understand how it meets the front-end requirements, but I think that's a voice that's up for you guys to determine. I would also ask, are there any business relationships with town employees that should be disclosed? I think that question is worth asking. I obviously have some concerns about the ecological and wildlife impact. Like when the trees get put down, what happens to the hogs that live on that property and all of the animals and the deer that go from the Hodges through 21 Stump Field and 17 Stump Field to 15 Stump Field and back through that area. There is a concern around emergency services. Would they have

Let's see here. Trash.

Where are we going to put six trash barrels between trash and recycling? Is that going to be feasible?

Or is that going to encroach on other people's problem to have the barrels out there?

I mean, that's a small thing, but just a thought. I just, I think I would ask, like, is this really in the town's best interest to maintain its ruralness? That's one of the reasons we moved here. So, I just, I would ask those questions and really, I would ask for a continuance because I certainly have time to properly consult with, you know, I have some trees that are right on the property line. I don't know how that is handled. These are very big trees that are right down the stone wall. So how is that handled if those need to be or want to be cut down? So.

Before you sit down, let me ask a question. You mentioned something about the town you're completely involved in or something. Is there a specific concern you have in that regard? Just so I know, think about a crackdown if there's some concern?

No, in my business, we're heavily regulated in the finance industry. So there's a lot of disclosure around conflicts of interest. So it's just, it's one of those things that I just throw out there and ask, not that I suspect anything. It's just more of a, hey, like, I know that sometimes things get done behind the scenes and sometimes we don't really know how that, how that happens. So, I'm thankful that we have the opportunity to come and learn some more tonight and address the questions. And I'm very appreciative that there's a process for this. And so, yeah, that's kind of where that's coming from.

Thank you. You bet. And Kat, let me ask you, it's my understanding that all of our music videos have been separate.

I think so, yeah. Not everybody was kicking them off, but we've gotten back. four others that have stepped out for intervices and there's six that are not present. I don't believe there's any more on your own.

You confirmed that you're going to go down at least five days?

Last week.

So you can confirm that as far as the meetings go, all the voters have been interviced? and notice them about the time. Now that's, of course, obviously not to say that it's the time when they would want to consult with reporters or anything else, I understand that, but as far as the statutory ability of schools to go, it's having involved with us.

Yeah, just I think where I'm coming from with that is, you know, I don't know if it's enough time for people to be notified to be here to speak their case. I think the folks here have done a pretty good job of expressing a lot of common concerns. If this goes through as a subdivision, I would imagine there would be other people that would be right behind with applications to do the same thing. And so what precedents does that set? And how does that affect the overall roadness of the town? And that's just, those are things to consider. So thank you.

We have time. Anyone else from the public who has not spoken?

Yes, thank you.

I'm Janet Bonnell.

I live at 24 O's Good Road. I'm a zoning board member. I recused myself because I'm a trustee of the Soyo Park. So I want to confirm that on July 28th, the trustees received notice that this meeting was going to be held tonight. And we can pick up the packet if we'd like to. I would like to hear what the conservation commission has to say about this project so i would respectfully request that they have an opportunity to weigh in and it's my understanding like it's on the zoning board that they have not had the opportunity to do that thank you this is a good time to mention that we post on for months so that they had a chance to be played so we do a formal request on that right it's up to us whether or not to

it is in the record.

Anything else from the public who have not spoken yet?

In non-African, if you would like to go directly in a minute to whatever questions that might be outstanding to us, but if there's anything in particular you'd like to respond to now. So just some of the questions, you can answer those. Okay. So for me, there are quite a few. I'm going to put all things Yeah, a bunch of them, because for good reason. I think that they are addressing some other point potentially. But for now, let's focus on, and I'll go through all those, so everybody out here knows that I haven't written down, so we'll get to that. For now, the ones that I think we need to address first really comes down to the subdivision and this question of the house. Yes, sorry. You said it's not meant to be cluster development, and the allocation is for cluster development. So the question I have right now is effectively, as I see it, there are two avenues to try to do this. One is subdivision. Break it into three lots. That means that there are three separate lots. And you don't have to do a subdivision plan, and that plan gets filed with one of the planning board, and the planning board removes that. That's the whole process. The other process is cluster group development. Cluster development is one lot, but it's one lot that happens to have three, four, eight, whatever these houses are. And that has separate rules, so now it goes to us. So the allocation is for the ladder guys. The allocation is for cluster group development. that's effectively all we can do here. Now, if your plan is to subdivide into three pieces, that is not us. That's the planning board. We can't do anything about that. So I guess my question to you is, what is the plan? What is it you're looking for, et cetera?

So when I came in to talk to an inspector, he said it was for, it was colonization. And I'm like, so you could go- lot. Shared driveway. So, but it says cluster. This is the first time I've seen it. It says cluster. Because cluster makes me nervous as well. Because I don't even want to cluster development in my economy. So, it's kind of, the word is different. You have three options, two acres for the first house, one for every division building I have. That's what we're going for.

That's what we want. Now, if you think about it, that's not the problem.

But that's something. If that hasn't been fostered and developed, it sounds like, you know, I'm going to put houses and stuff like that. That's not what I want. Single family homes, single garages, single driveways. separate utilities.

And are you going to keep these as a single lot? I guess it has to be a single lot. To do it this way. Yeah. But how do you make the two acres go one and one for another?

I mean, so it has to be some type of lot. Yeah. That's that.

And there's requirements listed under the cluster. And I guess my issue is that you don't meet the front end requirements. But that's not what the application is for. And in the past, we've had people who've come for home occupations. Home occupations require that the nature of the business is in the home. We had an applicant come. He had a barn. He wanted to do business in the barn. Now the council says, no, you can't request a variance from what is required.

And that's my position here.

Although he hasn't asked for a variance, they don't want what we have here.

has not asked for variance my position is we can't give him a variance if he doesn't meet these a through x criteria uh i'll say i've i've looked at what the briefs all i have on here and it seems there is a avenue to strap invariants on top of the special exception but that's something that we need to have town council look into Regardless, I will certainly agree with you that the application doesn't have a variance. And the application, more importantly maybe, the application that was noticed by all these folks and others never mentions variance. So in my eyes, today, we can't grant variance. All we can grant or deny is a special exemption, which as I see right now, it fails, given that it doesn't end up fraudulent. So in my view, the way I kind of see this is the work in front of me as a board is do we deny because this is just a special exemption, or there are variants in the application of a 40-point error, just special exemption, and it doesn't mean it's a special exemption because it's fraudulent. We could deny for that. Alternatively, as opposed to we could postpone it for tomorrow. The advocate can try to revise their application in order to add in variance assuming that's allowed. If we wanted to go that route, probably a little check with the county council to make sure that tacking all the variance on top of the special exemption isn't bad. We'd also probably want to re-notice this because adding variance to the mix is probably a substantial change to the application. So I would want to have everyone to get noticed again that it's not just a special exemption. I see that as kind of other alternatives for people if you wanted to join us.

Yes, it probably seems to be a long audience of questions, and we're trying to do what we need to do, and it's right for the applicant at the same time. I think my recommendation to the Chair would be the Consolation has asked us to do both. Obviously, they need to do something that they're connected by. And I think one, I think we need some time. So we don't make some decisions one way or another.

In the middle of what they're trying to do. That might give us a little bit of time to rethink this.

And we have some translation problems. Okay. So we're going to pause time. I would say postpone and

get clarification from Tom Johnson.

I tend to agree with that.

Before we vote a woman as the advocate, is there any specific reason that you would like us to know, for checking with town council, for consideration by you guys as to what you've heard today about a possible variance requirement, etc. Is there any reason that that would be an essential part of your partnership on your own?

um has shown us the plans from what i think is probably what we refer to which has been done before it looks like that was from 1983 or so

which my race will need to say i have no idea i have no intention of figuring that out um i don't know why that experience didn't work you know maybe they're so excited maybe it was one of the groups i know i am um but if we do vote then i would suggest that you could see if these particular rules going to allow what we're going to do and how we can try to fit it into these rules whether that's I would consider the possibility of subdivision instead I would consider the possibility of a special exemption with a variance or a frontage and you know show up the month and it's the same thing then that is the reason that's the application we look at but if we do continue for a month I would strongly consider whether one of those other options with our current references might be So with that, I'm going to close public comment. We are in deliberation. Is there any motion to continue this hearing until September? Is there a second? Second. All in favor? Aye. Aye. All right. So we will continue this hearing until September, which is on September 1st. Just a comment first, we will all repeat here. For the very good concerns raised by the public, I will list out very briefly. I've heard about parking, concerns about the road in, traffic on that road, house sizes, septic and utilities, animal impacts, the walking trail, wetlands, fire release, tree removal, the amount of nature of the town, the town and some of the islands, the natural beauty of the town, questions as to who can own these houses and live in them, runoff, and weapons of energy inconsistency potentially surrounding them. So all of your concerns are written down. We will get to them again next month. And if it does go to planning instead, we have to, for example, decide something about instead. All of this will be submitted to planning when I promise you, and they will have as much questions as us. So, if there's anything else, please, we have to close the public comment, but I need to give you a chance to respond, so I will allow that. Do you want to allow that? Yes. I need to give you a chance to respond earlier, and I'm glad you still accepted.

I also have to say that Kensington has designated many roads, such as Rock Road, Hillard Road, Highland, Mighty Plains, Dunfield, Trentonville Lane as scenic roads, under New Hampshire state law. If the road has this, the law protects the visual character of the road's edge. Town must consider fate of trees, storm walls before any utility and improvements are proposed. If development routes traffic onto a road heavily used by children, which would be coming out onto Trundle Head from one way in and out, the board can mandate safety additions. The homes may have to be built what we have sidewalks pipelines separate from the cars and that would be up to them to do that because we have all these cars moving out of these custom homes and have children in the streets and also the stone walls that's part of it you have to keep the visual effects like we have we have to keep our rocks there they would too there's no exceptions to that

um the state could step in i mean they have the rules and regulations and i read a lot of them but there's a lot more to it it's not just going in to build the cluster home and i'll say that too but now that'll be the thing all right so we will see everyone right away we'll be here again september 1st uh again if you do quantum changes we're adding invariants please let me know about time so she can notice that because my view is If there's going to be a variance amongst them, the environment is going to be the second best. That we're not just talking about such and such. So I will ask if you are going to have a variance, please make sure that she knows with an outcome that she can get those things set. Ideally, it's really possible, and we don't have to be concerned about, you know, I only got six days, and you know that's what happened.

But keep that in mind. Thank you. All right. That's it. And even more.

Are we assuming that it seems like it's not?

Yeah, please don't grab a little bit.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's been a while since I've been here. It's been a while since I've been here. It's been a while since I've been here. um the board i did ask you know if you've done that today so we perform our vote because there's support on that so um

I heard from you. Were you there? And who was not here? I think I was. Did you work? I think I was.

Yeah.

I think I was. Did you just do a brief? Yeah. I was actually zoning.

Yeah. Okay.

Yeah. So, I'm Keith Howard. I live over in Franklin, Tennessee. I moved into town 14 years ago. Yeah. I was the chair of the board for 10, 12 years. I was on the budget committee. I was also a part of the committee over there. So I spent plenty of time doing this kind of stuff. A lot more complicated than what we're dealing with. Like I just said, the development of Seabrook was just absolutely crazy. I bet I'm a little bit biased for keeping the town nice. I'm not, you know, what happens if it's too bad?

So that's what my view is on this. Thank you.

Any questions? I think that's why we have the social regulations. The applicants want to make sure that if they do beat all the requirements, they get it and get hired.

Well, I spent two hours trying to figure out why can't I find the front of the building. Right. You know, I thought it would be nice to learn that. Right, right, right. I don't think you have time for this for a while. You need to start learning the building.

This is something, too. Yeah.

I think you just want to follow up on that. I don't think I know. She didn't understand me. Right. That was a little bit of a distraction.

And I wondered, is this the right time to say that maybe the building

inspector when he's going to be present to clarify what the applicant is saying, because he obviously sounded very confused.

And I think that's concerning for people. I mean, he can say whatever he wants. I mean, he isn't confused. I have no idea. But our building inspector should be able to clarify why he made that recommendation.

I think that's the other thing that in today's day and age that the building inspectors Yeah, but they don't hear what they want to hear.

I mean, they can't, yeah, they can't advise, but somebody along the way needs to say, I would suggest you consult with a civil engineer.

who is familiar with what is allowed and what you're proposing. And I think that's what the building inspector, rather than an applicant coming in and saying, this is what your town employee told you I could do. If maybe the building inspector says, these are the regs you ought to consult with the next time.

All right.

So, I'm going to propose, where we've done it before, on Pete's, we don't have to pass on, assuming that we, you know, we all agreed. I'm going to propose that we vote to add, I think for now it's an alternate position that we have on there, but before I get to my proposal, do we know if Therese has moved yet?

I know she was in the process and having someone come to our home to MDL, and he was for sale. But I don't know her personally, so I can't say. She did not respond. And I don't know if Mark is a pro or not, but I think he's going to be here tonight. He is. He is a pro.

So, yeah. Well, we can't have two altruists.

I don't like going to alternate. I'm supposed to be a vote.

Yeah, now I'm going to move the ball. I'm supposed to vote that we

I recommend to the selectmen having Pete join us, Pete Fowler join us as the zoning board or a zoning board member. I second it. All right.

All in favor. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye.

Aye. Aye.

So I think that the next, the next hearing, Monday, so on Monday, we'll go through, once that's done, we'll come here and we'll see the, well, they can do it ahead for, uh, some events. So I'm sure Catherine can chat about that. Yes.

Thank you.

nice to see everybody yes