Board of Selectmen - Regular Meeting

3rd, 2025 at 6:30 p.m. As is our custom, we'll begin with the uh pledge of allegiance. Aliance to the flag of our hearts indivisible with all quick introductions your name and job is Chief police department [clears throat]

Sarah Hendman Kathleen We are starting tonight with a public hearing. Uh so can I get a motion for to open the public hearing to open the public hearing? I'll second in favor.

I All right. What do we have here? Um the first public hearing is going to be for the grant for the fire department. It's called the assistance to firefighters grant. It's a joint grant with the town of Hampton in East Kingston. Uh the town of Hampton applied for the grant. Yes. Um and Pendington need to accept their portion of the federal grant as well as acknowledge our amount that we have to pay towards the grant.

Or do we need to open this up for a comment? Yeah. Okay. members, comments, questions. Are there any questions? Did you want to add anything to it? The only thing I would have is that um it's for SCPAs, the air pack, the air tanks that we wear on our backs to replace our um aging of current air packs that we wear. So this was a great opportunity for us and thank you Hampton for doing the leg work. We just kind of attached on to it serve as well.

That's a grant that could be accepting for $190,000 and we were responsible for about 19,000. So that seems like a great savings for the town. Yes. Yep. Any comments? Anyone have any issues? The uh my understanding is the existing tanks and all that are very old. They're they're in Asia now. Yes. They're only good for 10 years. Yeah, that was my Yeah, that my understanding. So that true. So I mean it's appropriate. Yes. Because like anything else, equipment wears out and right,

you know, you if you're fighting fires, you got to have the air packs, you know, the guys have to have to be able to enter with safety and stuff like that. No question about it. Motion make a motion to accept.

Do you want me to We've got everything here. So make a motion to authorize acceptance and expenditure of the FEMA grant assistance to firefighters grant as outlined in the grant paperwork. Further to accept Kensington's portion of the grant in the amount of 190,6581 and acknowledge the town's responsibility for our matching portion of $19,6588 to be paid out of the fire emergency capital reserve. I'll second. All those in favor? All right. Motion carries.

Move on to the next grant. To the grants. Yeah, it's multiple grants. And these are for grants that we received throughout the year. So, two of them are for the police department and the grants that they've been doing. Um, the distracted driver. I don't know if you want to comment on that. Those grants that you get.

So the grants are just uh extra patrol chips that are out there. Um it puts another guy out looking for EWI detection, speed detection, distracted driving detections. Safe reimburse us on the overtime. So it's it's put it out there. We have to put it out there. They uh quantity on it back. So uh pretty successful so far. We've done it for about 4 years now. We applied for 20. This is for 2026. There was just a big grant in 2021. This is the this is the money we've received so far. Yeah. So this is the money received from [clears throat]

see do you have anything to say about this release? No. No. Uh no. So we uh this is I assume because the the checks came through. Everything's okay. Yeah. No, everything everything looks good. There was a small hiccup with the solar panel company. They were struggling with the software because they was making compliance, but they sorted it out. So good. So officially project is done. It was covered. 99.9% the $100 fee for interconnect applications. So, thank you. Thank you. We have

um make a motion to accept um following unanticipated funds. $2,198.99 from the New Hampshire DOS grant, $3,755.95 from three NHDOS grants, uh $81,883.80 80 for a solar grant, an additional $9,98.20 for solar grant for a total of $96,946.94. I'll second that motion in favor. I motion carries and believe that we can close the public hearing. Like we get a motion for that pass.

Move to close the public hearing. Second.

Favor. public hearing is closed. We move into our normal uh meeting scheduling. [clears throat] Uh let's begin with public comment. We have someone wanting to address the audience. My name is Shelley Sullivan and I'm here with my husband Jim. We're concerned about the planned reopening of the Seawwork firing range for use by the Seawworks sporting association. It's our understanding that the town of Kensington had it closed to the public in 2018 after a safety hazard incident and we'd like to know if Kensington has a position on this reopening. That's my first question. I don't know what the status is. There's been no emotional movement for the last 6 to nine months, I'd say.

Y maybe even longer. And as long as it's quiet and we're not hearing anything really them.

Well, they haven't started. They haven't started it up yet. Um the town the select the Seabbook select have leased the land to the uh sporting association, Sebook Sporting Association. at least land for a dollar a year. And there are people uh getting things ready. They're putting up um shooting tables and they've installed a few blocks. Um, so there's my husband met Salman John there when he was on a walk and he was very excited about their planned reopening and he also mentioned that it's probably going to be open every day. And I looked up other um sporting clubs, you know, the exit sportsman's club, and a lot of them list their hours, and their hours are every day from, for example, 8:30 to 7:30 at night. Sunday, they don't start till 12:00. So they seem the uh Seab Brook Sporting Association has a website on Facebook and there's a lot of information that they talk about what uh was happening and what they're going to do and and they have sort of a to-do list that um they address a lot of safety issues such as having uh what's called a um range officer. They will be uh they'll have I guess they have to go through a training course

um by given by the medical rifling association. I don't know where they take that training course, but they're trying to get as many people as possible to have the range officer training because I guess that's why they're I don't know who stipulated this possibly they're selecting that there has to be a range safety officer on site um whenever anyone's there shooting. So that would probably be the limiting factor as far as how many hours will be able to be fired. Um so it's seems to be going going to happen and

we've not been we've not been approached at all. Right. And a lot of people Oh, sorry. We're we're in the last year and a half actually we haven't finished right what do they need what would and they would have to go to the zoning board and the planning board so they do need to take steps through not just that [clears throat] and we have reached out to the town and have not received any information back. No, I I I appreciate you bringing this because I think we've been wondering where it stands because I broke responded to us.

So, I'm sorry I didn't hear you said you reached out to Sebrook that they didn't respond. They haven't told us any of this information.

Okay. Um because I did notice one of the sort of blaring emissions in their to-do list is I didn't see anything about sound mitigation. And I know that's can be a difficult issue with firearms, but if you live in the area, which we do, it's day in every day firing from a lot of times um 9 mm semi-unag firearms. And there's going to be a lot there there's a lot of people who are interested in this. And for the people who live with an airshot, we're expecting it to be like it used to be in years past, which is every day. You don't get any any break from it. and the the way that this um I don't know many of you are from a little bit [clears throat] with the officers with the area. Um it was I mean you probably know the history but it was formed when Sandy gravel was excavating. So it's basically just a curved area, concave area where a lot of the shooting goes into for, you know, where they shoot in a tube for safety. However, it's also sort of a giant echo chamber. It just it's like an amphitheater and the sound is amplifier. And since it's been closed, has also been um a lot of new people in the area who use the area on so it's very loud and there's been trees removed and it's even louder now than it used to be.

in years past. Um, I know it's been closed for 7 years now, but in this time period that it's been closed, people have been using this area for quiet things, walking, walking their dog, bicycling, birding, and chewing on for a select group of people to have their hobby not compatible with anybody else's quiet persons. It just it doesn't

the thing you're bringing up would be if in fact they they follow through and they approach us. Our response is that planning board and the zoning board have to have hearings and jurisdiction and all the points you're making would come out at that point in time. Yeah. Would that be a public hearing? Yeah. People could come and voice and would it be see um Kensington or It would be Kensington.

Yeah. Yeah. Cuz we we I don't think we had the opportunity to do anything like that and see where we had opportunity to go to selection meeting that was one public hearing where people could really speak out. Right. Well, thank you for your time. Thank you. Thank you. All right, let's move on to the department heads. Yes, presentation. I believe the department heads all

Mr. Greenland, do you have something for public comment? Follow me to what was just discussed. uh recall from the police department and board in regards to the actions that we had in front of us for the purchase of easement corn or school. And I question how this the school is compatible with being in direct proximity to the fire management we just discussed which obviously state presents a nuisance if not a safety issue. Um, I'd like to uh objer public comment following updating on the uh stat. Thank you. So, let's go to the our friends from conquer.

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Um my name is from specialty section there with me is Tim Mallet. He's a senior hydraulics engineer and with us present day today is environment coordinator on the project team [clears throat] the replacement of 4 in period under just drive this forward has reached standard service lines project effort was started back in 2022 by district announcing an update highway design to develop into a big project and all goes well advertised in September 2026 the construction 2027 but I'm getting a little bit ahead of myself funding you see through the call we have replacement repair program it's federal funded um and this point I'll turn over the presentation to to talk about project detail. I will [clears throat] be back to present consideration to field any questions. Thank you for all I treated myself to a couple of canc. Okay. This this caliber convey quickly broke underneath 150. It's not not too far from here, just south. And you may have seen uh our district was out out there and and this

has been kicking around our district office for a couple of years. Um the the flow of the invert in the bottom of the cover there is in poor condition and there were some sink holes that developed you know that were earlier this year. We go to the next slide at this. So as P mentioned, we have uh this is moved from our abment uh state funding program to a a the road is fedally eligible. So now we are developing uh a project that would would have some federal assistance to it. Um and the the sink holes have been repaired and they should extend the life of the of the car a bit longer. Next next slide. This this shows uh what was done to stabilize the guide rail and fill in the sink holes to stone with some fabric down there to stop some of the pines from washing out. They didn't have to put a steel plate down yet, but I just wanted to give you a quick glance at that and just move right on to the project placement details. we're proposing is a is a 9 foot wide by 6 and 1/2t concrete blocks and the the existing spacing between the guard rails is only is 20 ft. uh we would look to perhaps increasing that

slightly uh to allow a bit more safer conditions, bicycles. I think that average daily traffic number is it's on the that's not the highest estimate we've seen. There's different sources we look for the traffic data and and the range it's something we need to refine. We do have some uh sensors that were deployed out here and there were some device problems with that. So our folks are looking into that and that and that was probably on the high side most likely. Uh but at any rate there would be a a wildlife shelf inside this. Next slide. This is a a site plan and that shows the estimated rightway. A rideway division is working on on you know determining the exact runway. The blue lines there, the light blue lines are approximately where we think it is. That would be the proposed color that you see there in the with the wire cyan. And then a yellow represents the the temporary the temporary impacts or the temporary and proposed impacts be redeemed for for construction and we can come back to these slides if there's any question. Next one. This one, our environmental management couldn't make it here tonight. So, I want to uh this is both a generic statement, but it's also sight specific in that we we delve into this uh

quite diligently as part of the national environmental policy act and other state federal regulations. The BD must investigate potential impacts that our project will have on surrounding natural, cultural and social environment, identifying key resources early in the project development process and defining to avoid or minimize impacts as design proceeds. Fire department review involves historic resources in accordance with section 106 of the National Historic Preservation Act. The department is reviewing the project area to determine if there are historic resources within the area that would be impacted by construction of this project. Historic properties can include buildings and structure was 50 years or older as well as arch archeological sites. In addition to age, we must it also must be determined infrastructure is eligible for the national register of historic places. uh potential impacts to historic resources are being evaluated. We are asking if anyone has uh concerns about historical or architectural sorry archaeological resources in or adjacent to the project area they bring them to our attention today or contact the staff reading. I do have some handouts and we have the contact information on the last slide. Section 106 of the National Historic Preservation Act offers individuals or organizations with a demonstrated interest in potential impacts to historic resources, including town officials uh and historic societies and opportunity to become more involved in in an advisory role during project development as consulting parties. Those interested we need to remedicate some

writing to the Federal Highway Administration. We have contact information for you for that. Please please me if you would like more information in regard to potential impacts to other resources. The project is not expected to involve substantial impacts to noise levels, air quality or hazardous materials. backs the weapons and flood planes are being evaluated as part of the project and secure all necessary environmental permanence prior construction. [clears throat] We are asking if anyone has concerns about the above mentioned resources in or immediately adjacent to the product day, bring them to our attention tonight or contact the environment. The contact information on the last slide that's here tonight or or the one in writing after afterwards is fine. Next slide. But we have to uh look at different alternatives. And this this would be for I've been advertising in early 2027 construction later in the year. U with the road closed it would be work similar to that. That's the reason where we replace uh I think that one was up the tap and that then this was like a 20-day operation. It really went quick. Uh but typically with the road closed, you're talking weeks, two to three weeks, depends on the contractor and weather and other things. But um whereas with the road open the oneway traffic and

signalization will be in months. it'll be a couple months anyway and an additional cost uh likely ranging 300,000 or so. So the next next slide simply compares some costs of different alternatives. We always look at the uh in addition to several color work alternatives and rehab slip lining color that sort of thing which doesn't seem appropriate here. Um look we always look at a a bridge uh alternative for wetland purposes and all those and that's probably going to be sub substantially higher than than that 1.6 6 to 1.7 million. If we were to do all in aggression, it would be a totally different project. Um, but these are preliminary cost estimates and it does indicate that there would be significant savings probably to close the road not on the financial just in time. Um, but we [clears throat] have so let me let me just go to the to the next slide here. This one um there are several advantages of closing the road. This would be less interruption to the public as well as uh backs would be less overall. And this this is this this basically is is all one option. Now, we've looked at u a [clears throat] detour for doing

this and I think this is where I'd like to return back to K because he he's he's given us quite a bit of thought and video ex [clears throat] [clears throat] looking at close option but we're really in the process of weighing one together. Um because in some cases other projects we have much deeper forward. um solar cost. So building copper in uh to support the road, the the amount of widening it would take, amount of build time that it would take to try to keep the road. In those cases very much, you know, trying to get close at [clears throat] 10 minutes in here, we are um kind of bubble. We're trying to weigh those uh costs, weigh those impacts and [clears throat] especially um in the case of of of looking at the deep floor and determining whether it will be functioning well. So, um, with that and I think we touched upon some of the cost of just widening the road to keep traffic moving. Did one um part of the impacts, but also if we're still road the uh equipment [clears throat] has some place to sit as you walk to the north on the road. But when we have the road open, we also have to think about placing maybe an access road down um [clears throat] to work below. So there's other things that take into effect and it all kind of builds out tax

weapons impacts the amount of area we need to purchase either temporary permanent rightway use. And so that all kind of adds up as additional impacts considered. Um there's also additional treating [clears throat] we have to keep in mind. So with that the next slide. Okay. Um it's kind of hard to see here at this size, but we have major intersections um labeled with letters and AB, B and C. And um we we did look at sending, you know, maybe using the D4 to the left side of the east side, but over at one group one and 95 counts. So that that probably is better option. So that's why we look at going to the west here on the state routes. This is the right we consider um those letters signify the [clears throat] major intersection points. We have distances in shown in red here which is even harder to see in the lighting. Um but on the next slide we do have some of those together. So we're looking [clears throat] at two major traffic movements here. One is if you consider trying to go from one side of the culver through the around the detour into the other side of the cber [clears throat] or other side of the road on the other side of the cover. That's like [clears throat] the worst case having to go all out around. So if you move on to the next slide

that HB is the first bullet shown here B um to go from one side of VTO around to the other and that's [clears throat] represented on a map with B to C and A which is equals 10.1 miles and 17 minute increase compared [clears throat] to just you know backing over that's at worst case maybe take that exact same route but it's possible and depending [clears throat] some smaller segments of that route probably more common and what we looked at is about 50% of the traffic go through north and that's the movement see a go back to map we can see it um can I say something I see a problem with this 107 right now is the West school road which is right here. If you're getting 5,600 knots a day, whatever they're doing, they're going to take this road and this is going to feed the you do a huge impact on all these neighborhoods that come in there with all these cars coming through. So, that's something we got to take into consideration with shutting the road down because once they figure that out, it's going to detour them. Now, now we're going to have a lot of cars coming through these these small areas.

You recognize when they come to town and say, on the skateboard. We [clears throat] were realizing what's going to happen for 25 mph speed

the the localiz and I did notice that you have no trucking through trucking signs on each of these cut through locations. Um so it's obviously something we understand because that's um so it's something we take into consideration. But as I was saying that movement from south to north to south trying to go through 150 all the way past this project there past the detour area. Um they're approximately 50% of the gathering with the [clears throat] pass through each each end north and south and um that movement is shown in the next bullet [clears throat] on the next slide. There's um C to A as the existing route and [clears throat] C to D to A is the detour distance increase it by.9 miles or an additional 4 minutes. So that would be pass. [clears throat] So I think that I did argue one comment. Um we [clears throat] earlier we more and more to go back to the map one more time. Sorry I'll jump you back and forth. Okay.

Um the intersection [clears throat] at C just at the top of the screen with 150 and 108. We may also recognize that there's a non non right there at McGra area. I know that some people probably drive but um it was not really built to drive and [clears throat] to improve that turning to purpose of the detour might be outside of the scope of the project might be delayed try that at this point. So that's another consideration we have core and say we're not here to try to sell the detour is an understatement as as we've been to preparing this we've been [clears throat] realizing both points that they really are the regions [clears throat] now stacking up impact. So with that [clears throat] you want to go to the Uh one more slide down questions slide. Any comments or questions especially [clears throat] towards you you might want to mention the uh business there the disposal disposal.

Well that's more of a question. Have you noticed there would be [clears throat] um uh trash disable business right nearby? Yeah. Oh, I really know how active that business was. How much traffic? Well, they still get in and out way, right?

Right. I mean, it's even this way. We also wondered if if you would if we pursue this closure or would there be a season that you would prefer summer or fall? Some say we don't want to impact school bus routs. They'd rather see it during the summer. Other towns see the summer influx of traffic that wanted [clears throat] to question or comments.

So you got the traffic in the summer here. is there's is not any I think it would be like late July August would probably be slower time of summer that's when everybody's going back to sports the end of August depending on the time span

the closing look to be two to three weeks so it's [clears throat] a short time right and there I'm really trying to push on other for me for 12 weeks. [clears throat] considerations.

I think you got to figure out because what happens is we have a storm we have every year we treas come down and shut down these roads. So once the roads get shut down somewhere let's just say it's 84 gets shut down which is really common whether it's between Hampton Falls is always a tree that comes down and a storm there and then you you look 107 is another one that has a lot of trees coming down. So if we have a tree come down. So I'm thinking weatherwise we fall into [clears throat] the fall months with this with the thunderstorms coming um you got to take that in consideration too because we all turn into our u [clears throat] shut and shut down from solos. So I have a I have a comment. The concern I have is that um as you know we live in proximity to the secret nuclear power and as part of that we have contingency plans for evacuation if required and that [clears throat] color is along one of the evacuation routes. So any downtime and strictly mess up some of the evacuation plans when if there were an incident [clears throat] which is highly unlikely that there's an incident and we have to evacuate the town that bridge is on a critical route in and out of town. So, um, something to think about in case there's an incident while you're in the middle of construction, how do we evacuate our people? So whether you put temporary bridging in there or something while you've got the covering dug out, some type of a contingency that could take a school bus full of people and hold up

the force carry them so they can get out of town in case there is an emergency evacuation required. See, those plans are all very detailed laid out with the state. Everything else has been for many, many years. However, this is something that's totally new and I [clears throat] think Homeland Superior Congress got being made aware that there could be a potential hiccup in one of their evacuation. So, and I don't know if you guys have taken that into consideration at all. You're aware you're aware.

Yeah. So I don't think temporary bridging that can take carry a school bus full of you know 80 adults or 100 adults. So it would work for you but there still has to be ways to get out of town in case there is a situation at se plant. So they're all part of the state evacuation plans all in have been in place for many years. wasting additional time to you shut it down completely again or doing one lane. How much time is that difficult? So you're talking 3 weeks if you shut it down, right? 3 weeks for what's the time table if you're doing just one lane.

I mean, you know, they one lane traffic control by signal. I believe that [clears throat] emergency use that signal taken over if we close a road we would not have a temporary bridge as well limit the impacts so that the main part in [clears throat] 3 months in one lane because again even if this evacuation route and there's only one lane something happens there now you shut right so you're looking at 12 weeks of of that time taking over 3 weeks of just shutting it down and moving forward and getting it done with it. That's my thing is please she was just move forward get it done in the three weeks and move forward with this and it's you know I think what's going to have to happen from our end here is with these different routes we got to take into consideration how we got change additional patrol guys might have might have to put some additional guys on because again getting that side of town is is one thing but as well as traffic is going to influx in a lot of places that would have to stop watching Yeah, you know,

but it's a short period of life. That's why I look at it. Every 12 weeks, you're still going to have these people reving all over the place and [clears throat] we're living a long time. That's my opinion. Yeah, we're going to have to review the emergency evacuation plan. Yeah, but we that that could be done temporarily with the 3 weeks and 3 weeks is a lot shorter than than two weeks. Do you have any concerns about emergency access if there was a fire or issue that we needed to get to being that that's a pretty common No, we need a we side. Okay.

And then we can work with our neighboring towns to start um automatic aid on that side. That's not I'm not overly concerned. I do agree that she um just do it in the two to three close it get it done a 12 week just we may have to talk to homeland security

about the evacuation plan they they may not stay this uh I I was I'm a member in the silver jackets. Uh so that you know we've been it's it's our it's our operations division that that works with those plans and all that. As long as the state knows when they notification they have to you know do something guard involved or something in case of an incident. That's the only

that's the only concern I have. I don't expect an accident, but you never know. You got to have a plan in place, right? To be lucky.

Like was saying, you know, initially you look at it and you say, "Okay, well, this will do. This looks good for clothes." But then all the other bullet points, that being one of them, just jack up and give it some careful thought which way go. Well, Homeland Security will come down and not be happy with us if we don't have a functional plan in place in case of an incident. It's always in case of an incident. It's that one time and it could be a problem. So, there hasn't been they they run that plan very very well and they're good tight controls over there, but things happen. So, and we have to protect the interest of the community and the people in the community to make sure that uh they're not any danger or hindered from doing what they have to do. Does the state have any funding? Let's just say for our police department again, we have to put out it's short period 3 weeks, right? 3 weeks of say we have to put out a short. Do they have any funding that would reimburse the police department for that for those those ships that are covered?

Not directly. So [clears throat] preserve some police officers will be under the control of our construction hour. So I mean I think the time table we got to take into consideration those three weeks of in addition [clears throat] 2027 that's coming something we have to keep in mind the budget three weeks of having extra controls just [clears throat] say that the road open option don't say don't sing lane the amount of traffic that is out there it's not likely to delay significant basis I I can't figure out how often wait 30 second jail. We will our signal traffic actuated radar.

So the one lane what signals should we be adding the bridge to the side so you work the whole road or do half the road at a time? So we we temporarily widen the road based on the narrow length of the road. Not one of it is saved with one of those spaces, but so that will be almost winding on the side. One half rebuilt and then pushing the truck back over and building the rest of the so nothing done before. Um but we will obtain additional trees if we need that happen [clears throat] over. We don't have a very good amount of plants sh there. Um but we do have one couple slides down um for that [clears throat] if you want to advance couple slides down. We did bring it in case we need to show it. The one on the right is concept on one side. That's just one side. So it shows some additional work additional treatments. We also have to remove accounting might be placed there. So there's there's always amount of impacts that will happen there.

So you're temporarily widening the road and in doing so the temporary area it would be strong enough to take a school bus full of adults. Yeah. If required and drive that's the signs of keep the road open. It's not a you know only citizens.

What what's the process from here? Uh are you going to come back and reconvene this set of people who might have different inputs by after thinking about this or how do you do you do this? going on the new groups. I expected more one way or another, not so much a split, but you need to consider cost again and look at the cost to come into that side of consideration as well. We can just get back to you with field plan by email to see if there's any real um any real objections if uh in light we can come back for another [clears throat]

I think the concern I have is I don't want to see the evacuation route where Thomas be shut off because of the construction so if the construction is done where you've you've [clears throat] beamed the opening and temporary so that a school bus full of people can get over it and continue [clears throat] on their way. That sort of thing that would be that would probably most of an issue as far as living with living where we live near the city plan is we state and we as a town in response to our emergency management have to have contingency plans for evacuation in case of an incident. We don't expect an incident. It's a [clears throat] unique plan very quickly. However, we are mandated by NRC and everybody else to have working plans in place in case of a situation

in this type of construction with we don't take backs that could disrup that sort of thing that causes a disruption that the Nuclear Regulatory Commission and the Feds don't like. So I just want to make you aware of the sensitivity of things that's considered a school bus full of people without caving in that sort of thing, right?

So that there has to be the evacuation route has to be open. Let's put it that way.

So that we can get people out if needed. We don't expect that to happen, but You know, of course, we don't expect earthquakes either. They still happen. So, but we have to be aware contingency. Anyone had anything else? I have one question. Um you evaluate the current integrity of lower today and can that withstand another 18 months 20 months that's something that's very hard to tell um the problem under the right conditions. have been internally superior from the outside and the metal itself can migrate in the solid flaps over that we keep an eye on that seeing it's the migration material that's caused those shoulder through that void underneath. So we try to keep an eye [clears throat] on any of that continuing to happen comparing as needed. That's just we're dealing with the time. I need to uh really somewhat feel [clears throat] with our current timeline at least on [clears throat] I just want to mention I neglected to put a bullet out there that you may be honest but this this is less safe working environment with the traffic

as that building. Anybody have anything else? I mean, if I were to replace the cauldron down, if I if I could, I would shut the road down and do it in one p. So the only reason we argue with each other and people could you know if it was a oneway street we'd have to do half and then detour and do the other half but I that's my thought

well they get the big boys out Digmore last night they got they set the road down. They can get the big ton of toys out and they can dig bigger and quicker versus having to be a little more careful. May was compensated to be through. Um, so there's just more traffic that way. Sorry, there's higher traffic when they head to the east of those states. It seems like if people are aware that 15 northbound is closed, they're going to cut through. They're going to fire away or anybody. Yeah, that's probably

I don't know what that's going to do through time, but it seems to

once they try to go be probably that direction, you know, [clears throat] just to sign up local. I think you're going to get detail even if you have the one open because you know again look at 12 weeks quick move it's but we need to deal with the 30 12 12 weeks you know people are going to do that and it's going to we see it all the time they're not going to call those those those lights either way so they're going to avoid an accident for you they're going to shut down you so yeah three weeks [clears throat] Please comment again. If you guys could do that makes no sense to us [clears throat] [clears throat]

and we can just get a hold of you if you have any questions or further comments or Please do. Great. Thank you.

Few weeks ago, Ted H and I attended the ICP which was the international uh chief police train. in Denver for free training. We talked to some vendors about some of our equipment. So it was good training. On another note, I'm not going to say too much about it, but we we use some funds for some some testing on our investigation that we have and we had some positive results. So um you move forward as we go somewhere interest that we allocate for that phase in custody identify some charact That's what he's talking.

Do you know?

Uh, nothing's important. We still actively nice. Uh, if anybody seems to try to keep you out of here, anybody um, nothing to report for the fire except for the tank truck which um, on the EOC front, um, I last meeting brought up the the generator for the elementary school who will be one of our shelters and um I had a meeting with the principal and the head of guessing new facilities Venus and talked to them about the generator and they they are positive and we'd like to uh keep the conversation going between the town and the school. Um, so the facilities uh guy Ryan's going to put together a quote for the school for the generator. Uh, I did reach out to the state of the homeland security emergency management.

Yeah, to Dave Balport's group up there. Yep. Yep. I uh reached out to Taylor Johnson and uh there is a possibility for us to get a grant. Um it's a 50/50 match. So if we we go aboard um the town would have to pay 25% the school pay 25% and help you have a brand new generator,

right? Yep. Have a brand new generator. Um it would help them and would help us during emergency situations. So, I just want to give you guys an update. I was looking into that. Um, so it's a positive conversation right now. So, we'll uh we'll go from there and that's how it go from the perspective. So, um, one of the things that we've been doing as well is talking to the school about their leback system. So, they had a huge or they had an oil spill last year.

Yes. Um they and we've been talking to the town and we are also having really positive conversations with them about potentially releasing their Hback this time um within LE. So keep similar to what we would be doing this time. Uh if one project or the other moves forward, they'll be intertwined a little bit. Um of course there's a generator in place. It would have to be sized to the electrical load. Right. That's what that's what Ryan from 16 that had a disabilities. That's what he's doing with their life. They're going to

they're going to plan it all out and know exactly what they because I can go in and I can tell them you need the fire alarm, you need to mark sea lights. Yeah. You know all that. But I know I don't know the rest of their operation because I'm not a teacher. I don't know what they do. So

yeah, one of like if say that the projects are non- talking to each other and the generator was replaced first and then go do the Hback like upsets the generator and alternatively it would be first do the Hback then it may cost to the generator or the better option would be it can actually be symbiotic and we do both projects. Um we can we can also get grants to environmental department for the um uh emergency shelter uh system. It's different though and that we would need your uh we would want to know your take on uh instead of using what I assume is a standard generators it would be battery powered generator or run um it's a similar brand program where it will match PW50 but it comes through the the now of course that's a different there are different considerations there are batteries We want to hear your data on battery and fire and all that. Um but it all to say we would love to be involved if you like. Um if any help because we could also help with the uh with the generator just understanding our oil generator. Um yeah, we've been doing a lot of work with that. We always spoke the right the electric on the building and trying to see what we need to upgrade it. Unlited for us to do this project too. Um obviously if they electricity but we would have to do but anyway thank you so [clears throat] with that work if you're doing anything with the generator I mean like there

school work with the homeland security emergency management because they've got a group that follows with the school. Yeah that's that's where it needs to include the grant. Yeah. um Taylor Johnson. So, um he's the one that told me about the grant. Yeah. Um so, I'm definitely keeping them in the loop. You know, well, they'll get results for you, too. You know, if it's a good thing, they're going to push. Yeah, they'll push.

I'm got the conversation started. So, uh, we'll see, you know, everybody's on the everybody's at the table. So, we'll go from there. Yep.

And uh Bell and Glenn paved Stfield Road last week, section A from uh Cottage to Whipple and they're tentatively scheduled this week to come back and do gravel and road builders and also place um 2 to 3 in erosion stone on Stfield Hill to help mitigate with um gravel that's water heavy raination. But um yeah, other than that, um nothing in the road.

The cover coming downfield covers underneath mighty pond. Those little ponds are backing up and then washing over. Do those need to be kind of cleaned out? Yeah, you did. I thought you [clears throat] did. I didn't last spring. Yeah, but you know, ongoing maintenance. So, yeah. Okay. Okay. Yeah, cuz it can uh it can get a little tricky down there that that spot because if it ice is over, right? You know, you got people coming down muddy pond, you know, and all of a sudden they're on a skating brush people coming down trying to turn up, right?

The road to get up to their houses, but we don't worry about them, right? But it's, you know, it's more than people coming down muddy pond, coming down a hill, and all of a sudden you're skating. We did flush out a few of those with fast and one was quite clogged with roots and debris. Yeah. You know, they have like a power manual that goes through basically like a big removable and I don't know going down, [clears throat] you know, the water goes under the pond, then it gets down into goes between the houses down there. So, I don't know how much the neighbors are. Yeah.

Keeping the water from going all the way down muddy pond if you know what I mean. What's all the note to do that? I know. Dr. Yes.

Yeah. just let you know how we stand in comparison to last year at this time in October was an outstanding district 79,000 and um as of today 87 just a little bit higher up also So at this time in on October 23rd I already received a lot and bills were out and we were already receiving funds which we don't have.

Yeah, we set the tax rate last year October 17th. Yeah. Um, we're not the like everybody in the SAU is none of them have their tax rate set. They just had it the town convention last week and they were all talking about it and none of them have had their their rates set which pushes it to the towards the end of December. Like has to give 30 days from when she receives it. Yeah. So it takes about a week to get them out sometimes. Mhm.

Um, so it's going to put us close to the end of December, which is not good for getting money in January either. They might have to pull some checks in December. We don't have tax money coming in. Um, a lot of towns do a tan um tax and participation route, but um hopefully we don't hopefully we won't have to do that. Great. Yeah, we're hoping this week so you can make yourselves available this week.

Um you can hopefully set that. I I I haven't even heard anything from seeing it and should be fastition. [laughter] So, we're added to the queue, but it's going to be a while. What would the date be if we don't get it that we would need to consider doing the tab? If we don't have it by the middle of maybe the middle of November because that was like the last week in the summer. [laughter] Yeah, Jefferson. Happy New Year.

Yeah, it's not it's not looking good. The D's working very diligently and they they have a lot of channels they're dealing with and we have a good rep that's keeps us informed, but they're just they can't do anything on their end. People don't get their stuff to them in time. Yeah, I receive that, you know, phone calls. lose it when it Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, thank you. And we are about the same amount that's to the right.

Yes.

Okay. I have a couple of updates. Uh the first was the drilling for the vehicle. Uh so we had sent the email about we were hoping to start in a couple weeks, but I got a somewhat call from the driller. There's been a ton of emergency calls to people's phones because wells were going dry and they're one of the major well drillers in the state. So they apologized profusely but asked if it was okay back to drilling for a couple of weeks. uh set of course it's okay. The heat pump uh equipment isn't going to be in until uh middle of January anyway. So there's really no price to get the drilling done. So I'll update everybody in a couple weeks again when we hear how they're doing conditions. Of course, it's been an issue, but hopefully it doesn't last, you know, the entire season. Um so that's so that that's the geotherm. Um then for the solar update um really nothing is going well. Uh it's already generated about 10 uh 10 megawatt hours. So on track with uh our estimates and our calculations for the year. Um Kathy should be getting a check soon, maybe in the next couple of weeks or maybe in December for the first renewable energy purpose.

Okay. Um, so we generated 10 $1,200. Um, uh, let's see. So that's solar um, um, the schools. So I just gave a short update, but basically we've been talking to them about actually doing a similar project. So with geothermal, we did a an onsite analysis. They have a lot of space to do the drilling. So that's not going to be an issue. That's one of the the hardest problems with large buildings in the school. Um, but we also found a lot of interesting similarities with the to the project that we use that we're running here in this building, which is the air quality there is also not great. Um, they have a little dehumidifier running places like the library and some of the rooms that have the books because apparently in the summer seems like it may be hotter and wetter so having issues with humidity. Uh it's only a few months out of the year of course, but one of the advantages of heat pumps of course can get a deeper break. Um, we're far from recommending anything at the moment, but we do have until the summer to come up with plans because we would like to apply for the seed grant, which uh is a state run grant that gives um $150,000 or $250,000 uh to two schools in the state to do this sort of upgrade. Uh it's very repetitive but we think we have a good shot at writing at least at writing really detailed plan. Um okay stopping there any questions. Um then the last thing is uh community power. So we went to the members meeting

last Friday. Yeah. Last Friday. Um it's sort of what we've been saying all along and it's obviously not great. We describe that great. Um we looked at all their numbers cuz they they were very transparent. They're actually overly transparent. That was one of the concerns that they're being they're sharing all their credentials in the hope of increasing level trust. Um but then that also means that competitors are they have an easier time exactly what uh they can anticipate or themselves. Um there the two primary causes of the rate being higher this rate period was one the changes to that the PUC made this year right so this year was the first year where uh without getting into basically how procurement works and our new procurement works uh they changed it such that the uh utilities are now uh incentivized to look into the spot market for energy which means means lower cost which is good for everybody of course but also higher risk and what that does is that whenever the losses start to acrue they are allowed to just keep those losses and then offset them at later rate periods. So even though it looks like New England's rate is lower at the moment, realistically in a couple of great periods we'll be seeing a spike. I mean traffic would recuperate that money.

Yeah. They call str they call stranded right. Yeah. And and that goes that goes way back to when they were doing destruction. It's not it's very standard.

Yeah. And it's okay, right? Like the goal anyways is to reduce rates. So one of the one of the themes in the meeting was that uh you know for better or for worse everything that the community power programs have been doing have been driving the cost of electricity down. Of course, arrogant is expensive to live and look that way to the uh to to residents, but um it's good news. Now, in terms of what we could, right? So, if we uh obviously we're waiting next month for the new rates to come out, if the rates are substantially more expensive, again, what we would like to do is start proactively uh asking investigates all county. Now, we can't u rate our contract easily with community power. So it's not recommended that we outright just leave the program. Uh there are repercussions there. We sign the court agreements a year and a half. So we'll need to involve the lawyers. Um it doesn't seem like the right. But yes, things are spotty right now. Uh but we are we are at break. So as of this rate period the savings across the last three rate periods and the uh increase in cost sort of averaged out for most people. So at least no damage has been done but of course moving forward we wouldn't we wouldn't want people to inadvertently be paying more. So what we would want is obviously you guys approval but we would like to start letting rest know hey you should probably start off the cloud. we think that the default rate is going to be cheaper or we know that the default rate is going to be cheaper um at least for these next six months, we will alert people again in the in the summer once we hear about the next period. This was intentionally by the way if you remember when we originally pitched the idea there's no less freedom than before, right? Anybody can leave and then we're back to what we were before. So we obviously weren't expecting this to

happen so soon. That's the unfortunate part. But, uh, there are still a lot of eventual benefits that something like community power can offer. [clears throat] Um, it's sort of an investment. Of course, they they've already started realizing some of those, interestingly enough. So, in the larger towns have been able to uh acrew more funds to their um their reserve funds. They just launched a five minute wide solar farm. And here here's the the promise right why why we were doing all this of course the lower people's uh energy rates but also you know back in the day we were talking about what CBC would offer enables these u projects where they or the towns put together the solar farms and then through a community power program the way that the New Hampshire PC has the rules set up they can sell that power directly to municipalities and so those municipalities come out you know these emails they can actually purchase power from these solar farms at a discount. We don't have enough to load so it really makes sense but that's kind of where they're going to head it. So they started offering a two minimum rates for anybody. So that that's kind of where they're going. Of course, it's a barrier on lowering the ratios will the rates be more expensive means they're trying to shift their funds to uh lowering the rates instead of of starting removing projects. But over the years, that's kind of where it's where it's headed. Um, of course, it's ultimately down to the residents. Um if uh if we do analyze the the contract and look at what the extra criteria looks like or maybe want to consider after the contract ends not renewing then involve a vote. But until until we hear the next raid obviously there's nothing we should be doing.

Um and then once we do hear the new raid we should consider and look at what it looks like. Okay. Is there any impact on the town if we proactively tell residents that they should step away from it?

No. No. I just talked to them uh the memory fee. The only thing we can't do is opt everybody down automatically. So, we're not allowed to do that. But if we run a campaign where I mean campaign, we just go out and tell people, hey, you should opt out. Here's how you do it. It's extremely easy. We keep making it really easy. uh with one exception that UNIL's special rules when you opt out of community power you're put on on the variable rate until the next rate period. So we would want to let people know to opt out for example in December because then there's enough time that they will be placed on the fixed rate by uh January when the new rates begin. That's the only kicker but we can mitigate that. It would only be a couple of weeks where people would see the the the higher or they can go to a third party suppier.

Yeah. Yeah. There there are a lot of town a lot of bigger towns who mash out of there and they uh [clears throat] they they do things slightly different. They actually have an extra adder in layer rates to try and mitate rate increases like this to soften the little more explorer cuz we're small that many fonts. following. I've been before the board before about the concerns with regards to uh citizens coalition power. The first thing I'd like to do is to make sure that everybody in the public is aware that community power is owned and controlled by the state and enabled by the state but community power coalition in New Hampshire is an organized entity that is in and of itself. So the concerns continue and I'm going to pull some specific questions that come up in print. They're not my questions. They're not my observations. They're the observations of others. And I would invite Mr. Zach to uh excuse me to uh to comment as as he he feels appropriate. So this individual from Kent in Newress Kent is the energy power director chair Sebastian was not as confident that the program would be able to continue

providing the lowest rates given changes uh to the following. While Sebastian supports the goals of community power coalition, he says his community would need to withdraw if the program can't provide lower prices and default utility company. And I emphasize this to everybody in throne. Ultimately, we got passed and this is his quote. Ultimately, we got taxed pretty much by unanimous consent at the town meeting because we said we would provide the lowest prices. Right now, community power can't really compete, he said. So, that's concern number one. Concern number two goes back to uh the chief executive officer of this nonprofit entity who disappeared back in February and it has been implied in print that he had something to do with the $8.5 million uh loss that was experienced in the previous time frame. Coincidentally, and this is not a coincidence to me, this directly overlaps with negotiation and announcement from uh constellation power that they would be acquiring all of the assets of one of the primary suppliers and strateg and and a company that's been announced as a strategic vendor to citizens coalition. Uh I printed on Facebook today from the news constellation new energy agrees to pay $4.7 million to settle

allegations it violated castle's market rules. But basically, this is Constellation Energy admitting that they manipulated prices in New England to their own specific advantage, taking advantage of consumers, especially those at the low end of the spectrum. Um, digging into this further, it is openly disclosed by Unatil that they are operating on a much higher even than I am. they are approaching something short of 40%. But when they come to the bottom line of their profitability, they're claiming a net profit on energy electricity uh approach just shy of 10%. So what this translates to me is this is a 10% advantage that Citizens Power Coalition is supposed to have in competing with these other entities. specifically in this case and right off the bat is inexplicable why they can't match Unil's price because according to disclosure there's 10% fluff that is going back into the pockets at Unil that is not supposedly going into uh citizens power coalition in addition to that I've read repeatedly $2 uh differential in cost of going up to. So, let's be straight. They baited in switches. The number that was started an offer when we signed into this is now getting inflated just shy of 40%. 40% is huge money.

They are currently there's a differential on UNIL a differential on their default pricing from our citizen power coalition pricing that is somewhere in the magnitude of 16%. So what I want to point out is that 16% higher plus the 10% that they are supposedly got an advantage means that they are guaranteeing this community approximately 25%. I'll come back and I'd like to address this Mr. Brian Calman who is appointed the chief executive officer of this nonprofit corporation. I'm not sure whether you heard me when you started, but I said try to keep it to five minutes. When we when you first stood up, I asked you to please try to keep it to 5 minutes. So, we're approaching that now.

Okay. We will we will terminate here quickly. Mr. Gman, it was suggested was terminated by the corporation implying that he had something to be short for. Mr. found them is quoted as saying that he had nothing. He disagrees that the sorry he disagrees with the position that he this has anything to do with this uh problem and further goes on to state that the corporation at large and the committees behind it were all fully knowledgeable of the challenges that they were undertaking that they were undertaking. uh the coalition set their rates too essentially he said the coalition set their rates too low didn't protect themselves enough from the conditions of the market and then had to purchase expensive wholesale power for their customers we've heard this before under the coalition's risk policy the organization is required to set rates high enough that they can cover costs and purchase further contracts for power to make sure those costs are stable Uh bottom line is this doesn't work. If this were a public company now, the stock would be in full collapse. No [snorts] one would buy it. No one would want anything to do with this. It's also I find empirical that the 99 that I mentioned to the board last time discloses huge sums of money that are going to two large vendors who are supposedly accountable and responsible for the financial management of the solar facing. Meanwhile, they have directly contributed to an $8.5 million shortfall that they now

seek to recover from all the members across the board. This is where the rate increase is coming from. It's coming from because they understated how much they could sell the uh initial cost offering to the member communities and then once they got the member communities to sign on board they've now figured out that they've uh can't support this and that they want to recover this money. I [clears throat] also want to point out that that constellation the constellation has as part of the deal acquired all of the debt that's associated to um the entity county that they acquire and within that debt is further disclosure. They subsidized Citizens Power Coalition in New Hampshire to the extent of $750,000 of their product and they have now been sold to one of the largest global conglomerates in energy and this time will be at the mercy of these people. They intend to get their money. And so once again, I'm going to call upon the board to take the best effort in addressing this and withdraw from membership in this nonprofit organization as soon as possible. and upon doing so reclaim the town's right to a to organize an aggregate uh community power organization that is not connected in any way shape or form to citizens power coalition of action. Thank you.

[clears throat] Uh yeah, there were um uh thank you for the comments. There are some things that were definitely true in there. Um there were a lot of comments that are a little overblown and don't really make sense, but some of the numbers are true. Of course, the uh the shortfall, the $8 million shortfall was an issue that um the that CBC had. Um roughly the story was accurate. So Brian the PCO made a bet. I mean that the company made a bet at his discretion. Uh one of the companies that was against supply of power pulled out a month before procurement had to happen. So they did have to procure uh energy at a higher rate. Um I'm not sure what the goal would be to for the town to leave CBC. I I guess the the energy committee's stance is that this is a very transparent organization. They make all of this publicly aware. Um, and there we really can't exit individual camps whenever we want, including towns. So, if we have to, which obviously this building is not in community power because we have meters, so that's not an issue. Any other account would want to opt out, of course, we can. Any res out of obviously can. Um, [clears throat] that's about it. Um the only uh the other product we have about the rates. So just to be clear, rates are set every 6 months and they follow the market cost of energy. Uh I think the extra bit that would go towards operating cost of the company and the risk management fund that's what drive up the cost beyond what utilities have been showing. But again, the only reason that the utilities are even able to compete is because of the new PC rules that would build competitive advantage that the

third parties providers had in the country. Um, which is a win because it means that if people now go back to the default service, it was cheaper than notice that happened. Um yeah, ultimately the energy committee would unanimously agree that the town would not do anything drastic for now and we should just be proactive and help our presidents choose the death rate when times. [clears throat]

Thank you. I have any more comments? Mr. Recently has taken subsequent position in Vermont looking for a citizens power organization. The government cannot discourage citizens power to emission in the answer and because under the virtual certainty what I do not know but as a major executive of this corporation he undoubtedly was compelled to sign a guiding agreement upon him that prevents him from disparaging the company upon his departure. It also appears that the disclosure that's been inviting who and I quote who said significant issues in his family were a major contributing factor to his decision to leave the coalition the part of the organization in February. Looking back, he said he sees one of the main challenges that the organization faced was forecasting how much energy their customers would need as they went from having no customers in April 23 to having almost 200,000 customers in 24. So I point this out because this suggests unbridled growth without cash flow land resulting in shortages of power on contract and resulting in shortage of cash where they base the cash flow.

Right? So there seems to be no semblance of truth or at least there are multiple versions of what actually happened with Mr. Kman in print and again I alle cannot defend himself appropriately because he is undoubtedly under a bin threat that prohibits him from disparaging the board that is running citizens power coalition. Thank you. move on topic.

Oh, I was just going to say that I think to Zeke's point that we sign a contract that there penalty of the town that if we if the town exits early, there is a penalty at that point. So, I don't think this is a productive conversation at this point in time if it's going to penalize the town has to leave. I think to Z's point, we see what the rates are and we can advise individual residents on how they can go forward and then when we hit the end of the renewal of that contract, we can take up the conversation again.

Um, I'd like to know if Citizens Power Coalition will answer disclosing the bankruptcy as one of their efforts in California if the board is aware of it and what the ramifications of that bankruptcy are. We're going we're going to stop this for a minute. Yeah, this has been going on too long. The communities that were part of the bankrupt organization were responsible to pay remaining debts regardless of what the contract said. The lady you

I never read that. That was the quote. Oh dear. Well, good evening. I'm back again. [laughter] I'm Ketcher, president of the social trustees of the library and and chair of the building edition. And since we have a new member on the select board, I thought I would just give you a little brief history about what we have done in the past. We had a survey done in 2018, uh, a town survey, which showed that there were three things they needed in the library. more space. Um, access to the soy room is pretty vulnerable going especially for seniors. People who are handicapped can't even get out there through a chair which comes from the outside. We learned this year that that chair will not pass inspection. And also the bathrooms are not ADA compliant. And last year I think the town received a letter from um a parent of a handicapped child and was in a wheelchair and that child could not go to the children's room at the library or if could get in down that bumpy little hill to the bottom. It was no access to the bathroom. So these three things we have been aware of since way before 2019, but they've become very recent now. We have so many new people

using the library. It's become a real public activity. So [sighs] we hired an architect soon after that and a construction manager. and [clears throat] we went all over the state and found the one we thought was the very best. We have paid him all his fees. We have done paid and done all the site work necessary to begin a construction project. Um, [clears throat] so last year we came and asked the town for a warrant and we asked for 3 million which was pretty crazy and they could not support it. We after that we hired a fundraiser and she has been helping us to build the campaign which hopefully we have start we have started and um in the summer we sent out publicity campaign to everybody in town asking for their support. So great thing is that at this point we have raised $1.8 million. We have an anonymous donor who is willing to give another million if we can match it. So we will by definitely by the beginning like next summer pretty sure we'll at least have 2.8. We already have raised 200,000 um through that match. So we know that by next summer we will have pretty sure

we'll have $3 million raised. So this year we would like to come and ask you to consider a $1 million word article. And we feel very strongly that this is this $1 million word article, excuse me, is only one less than one quarter of the entire cost, which is 5.5 million. and we feel it would be wonderful that the town could support us. We've done so much to raise this money publicly. We've got a grant writer trying to find grants. Um we're ready to go. We're ready to start construction if we could get this. And um I don't know, I bring an awful lot of things down here, but I wish you would consider it and uh let us know how you feel. Guess that's about it. Any questions? I just have one because I know that there's been the ongoing conversation as well about public safety building. If the fire department was not next door to you anymore. Yes.

Does that change your construction plans or things like that? Oh, it makes it so much better because um Well, I mean if the fire department were gone, we used to land back to us as a parking lot. So, this is only a/4 acre lot and we're pretty much taking up the whole back of it and doing the the most we can to get the most space we can out of it.

It's a very simple rectangle. There's nothing fancy about it. And if we were to start construction, we wouldn't probably be able to finish the interior right away. But at least we be we get the building done. It would be plpped there. So you could get the building done with the money that you have right now. He just told us that if we can get $4 million, we're ready to do the whole building. So we have three. A warrant article for the other. What? You need a warrant article for the other.

I know it's diffult, but

at some point it's just that they have any questions or comments. Um, have you taken into um consideration if if you do get your 1 million and put your addition on um have you looked at um drilling your own well so that we and you are sharing the same water which is not ideal at all but is absolutely terrible because we run our gear washer which spits our contaminants out of are here to stop cancer. Um, you can't use your water. We can't turn the sink on. Um, so I'm thinking with your addition, however big it is, it's going [clears throat] to need more water. I don't think between the three are three of our buildings that we shared, range, fire, and you don't think we have enough water. So, I just want to know if we miss that. That

well is fairly new. Right. And we're not having any more than one. We have two bathrooms now. We're just going to have two in the end. I don't see that we'd be using any more water.

Are you Are you saying that you think the water well could be polluted because of the fires? No, it's not being polluted. I'm just saying that our gear washer needs a lot of water to turn our gear at a higher volume to make sure it's completely clean. So, as soon as we use that, if we have a fire, we throw six sets of gear in there. That thing takes all the water. We It wants all the water that that one onein pipe that comes from you guys to the fire station that we It takes all that water. I'm just saying um I have cable where you've got things that add on to your ability and we're still using the same sharing the same wealth. I think we're just we're going down a road of need. That's okay.

Well, it hasn't been a problem until then. I can't honestly see why it would be with a new addition on where only it would still have only two bathrooms and you know people aren't using bathrooms all the time. So, right. Yeah,

I I get that. I'm just saying that we're right now we're sharing. So, any addition onto that building, if you add a bathroom or you don't add a bathroom, you're still you're getting more people, which means more usage of higher. So, I just, you know, just pointing it out that we're sharing if you're doing this project, I would highly recommend that, you know, look at the water situation. Hopefully your project of getting a new safety complex will be next on the docket.

I would absolutely love and I would love to give you the parking lot and you know give you more space. Absolutely. Another [clears throat] question on how estimate for your building said 5.5 has has that been looked at by anyone other than had it looked at last year and they're working on it right now. Yeah, we've asked to have the working orange blown up so we can know exactly what it means that it will be a minimal raise which is pretty amazing.

Thank you. Thank you myself for a minute. want to take that one, Joe?

Sure. Um, so I'm just looking for um obviously we're going to go for a warrant article for $449,9. Um, we're going to take 150 out of the fire department involver um to have fundament. Um, I just kind of want to know what the board either wants to do. There's been talking about doing the bond there's been talking about just purchasing it outright. Um, I would highly recommend just purchasing it outright. Um, getting it over with, especially if you're going to do a warn or million dollar library. Then if we do anything because of the public safety complex, that would be another bond. We have to I think Kathy said this little bond there.

Yeah. So you have like you have four bonds going at the same time. Right.

Yeah. So, you know, I think we did a 10 year um or no, we did a sevenyear and um you know, we could do it. I really don't I just I need the truck. I needed to be commissioned. I needed to help fight fires and you know our problems what I need to sell. Um so my reservation is just to purchase it. How get it over with? That truck's going to last us 25 to 30 years. Um you know you got to get your best because this is your goto truck, right? This will be uh the number two truck out the door. So obviously we take the engine first because it's got all the hose and equipment and that's uses the attack piece. The tank there is the support that gives the extra water and then it goes and gets the water from the ponds. It comes back. So

So you don't care about droughts and things like that, right? No, I mean obviously I have to get a good water service, but you know having that 3,000 gallons on the first 15 minutes is great. So it's going to bond you're looking at $88,000 in over the years.

What's the annual payment? coffee 63 58 those so the first year would be 63 then 58 57 55 this is a 30 point and that 009 on the right that's um per thousand evaluation that's the estimated We have an estimate for what the tax impact would be to buy it out right. It would be like, right? Wouldn't that be

if you if you use the other side? Are we talking about using the hole on a sign that's balance? No. Okay. So, would you be using the $449,000 fund balance?

Yeah. And you guys have additional funds. We would take 150,000 out of the truck. The truck came in at um 59919. Um that was the that is the price of the truck. Um minusing the 150 it came down to 491. And our unassigned fund balance again is 1.5. Thank you.

I think at this this is this a 10 year? Yeah. So at this 10 year you're still paying for that truck and it's already done. It's already happens expectancy for us. So I I just hate when he lean for that, you know, knowing that it's only got another 10 or 15 years left for MBA. Um, you know, that's a little hard to swallow. It's like, you know, just let's just fine, we own it, we're done, and it's not another bond on the town. It's not. It's just Does that mean that after 10 years it's starting to see?

Yeah. Start. Yeah. It's starting to, you know, we'll start showing it age. You know, obviously we keep our equipment very well. We maintain it and we're on top of it, fix it. We don't let it go to junk. But, you know, we have standards that we have to follow. We have to meet and NFDA says at 25 years, you should replace that truck. We don't replace them on mileage. We replace them on the hours on the Pton. You know, they always get used. Of course, you know, we just went through selling one, we got at the end of the day after we paid our 10% to the seller uh to the uh lister. You know, we ended up with 9,000. That truck was 32 years old when we had to sell it all the way to Utah. You know, most people don't want to buy a used truck that old. Uh Utah is just an exception. Um they love it.

So they must have had real need out there, right? You know, um but you know, that's very rare. Did they come over and pick the truck up and drive it out? No, we uh they ship they pay for the ship. Oh, they paid for the ship, too. Okay. We have to pay for that. Perfect. So, and this is replacing what truck? This tank will replace that engine that we sent away. Is this one article or two? Just one. [clears throat]

It seems like the unassigned tone balance would still stay in the healthy range for us if we did that. [clears throat] Yeah, that makes sense. want to think about this or motion.

It's up to you don't have to make a motion like this would be more articul. It's just how he needs to present it. So if he asks you a bond, there's whole schedule to public meetings and and getting the information and applying to the bond bank. So he just needs to know which way he wanted to go before we put all that stuff together. Alex, we we need to [laughter] Yes, we need I would support. Yeah, I think just as

Okay, perfect. So, we'll write the article using he also has the 9,000 that it's coming out. So you the 9,000 for that truck went into that fund as well from the sale. Yeah. Yeah. That went right into that robot.

Thank you. Um do you want to go through the minutes? Did any of you have a chance to look at them? I did. I did. Okay. There we go. If we get those in groups, that'll be ideal. Do we need to I didn't have any comments or questions. Do we need to move on that individually? Comments or questions. September 22nd, October 6th, October 15th, and October 20th. That's when we have the budget.

Yes. The only thing is if you're going to give them all the money. Okay. Should probably second it. Okay. To approve the uh meeting minutes from September 22nd, October 6th, October 15th, October 20th.

Second. Thank you. Okay, those are all um um the committee would like to have a column if that's possible um for the public spacing. [clears throat] Okay, [laughter] perfect. So we could go into non public that's going to be under section. Bye. Bye. considering I didn't have to think about command.

Good night.

Good night. There we go. Good job. Be right. Anybody move to enter public or RSA 32D? I'll second it. All those in favor? All right. [clears throat]