Board of Selectmen - Regular Meeting

Start with any thoughts.

and i have a question unfortunately i have been around the last couple weeks on the last couple meetings and there is a question in regards to public uh is the board restricting uh public comment only to the beginning of the meeting and not to be able to question Anything that comes up during the process on the agenda?

No. On the top of the public comment section, it says that public comments are made to agenda items to keep things moving. We don't want to discuss an agenda item in a public comment and then come back to it and go back to court. So that's why it says agenda items cannot be commented on in a public comment. then we will where it makes sense to request and open up public comment on this agenda like that so we get to that question i had a misunderstanding and i'm glad uh that that that's the case so in in any of these things that come up in regards to what's on the agenda the citizens will be able to ask a question yeah i mean for the most part i think there might be things where we might say a elderly exemption on a tax thing we're not going to give them that up for public comment where there's questions thank you very much yeah

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And I saw on the agenda that you were having either a discussion about or executing the lease agreement with the for the ranch. Um, and I wanted, I was hopeful represent one or more representatives from sliding rate. Would be here because I was thinking that it would be helpful to ensure that there are a few. That's the question is, I can't. The satisfaction in the town. Um, and if not, at least it would be thought. But I know you have that in your agenda. I'm happy to reserve any further comments until we get to that. All right.

So I think one point of clarity is that the lease agreement with the library is for the library building. There is an MLE that we're talking about for their construction, but it is not a lease for the garage. The town technically leases the library building from the library social trustees. And so it isn't that we're looking at. This is not about the long-term use for the garage.

Well, at the end of the day, my concern and comments will be about the enlargement of the library and its viability. So I'm happy to preserve or I'm happy to continue either way.

Okay, so I understand one of the, unfortunately, I have not been here for many meetings.

I'm not here during the voting in March. And I understand that there was a financial warrant closed for $1 million. That was not approved. this is a project i understand has been on the table for uh five six years um i and my wife attended uh a sort of fundraising at the library last summer fall uh we have concluded that i've always been a supporter of libraries i'm going to share older people's like private libraries so i'm it's not as if i'm here that you battle library but i am still concerned My concerns are perhaps first, administrator. Last month, I believe in the minutes, it indicated that the library had reported to you that they have $4,379,000. In the January, I guess, preparation for the warrant, um a document was certainly circulated that provided what their fundraising achievement was at that point which was january 8th when it was made available and that shows that they had four million four forty two seven twenty um i'm sure you've memorized those numbers but assuming you haven't there is a 63 almost 64 000 difference between uh the january numbers and the numbers reported to you uh meaning it's gone down that's point one point two is approximately two-thirds and three-quarters of their money are in the form of pledges um and we don't really know and i don't know if anybody's asked what is the um But basically, of success, meaning converting from pledges to the actual tax has occurred, either up to date, or, you know, if there are conditions on it, which will prevent those pledges from being realized. If that's the case, then definitionally, there will be a huge gap far below the amount that they have achieved in their funding. The typical gap in that ratio ranges from 8% to 3% on average basements for non-profit fund basements. So that would be a large gap if they cannot accomplish their realized their pledges. Two, I mean, in addition to that, this plan for the expansion is probably five or six years old. The amount that they projected the cost was $5.5 million. About $5.5 million in 2021. have they actually given you updated projections of what it costs or have they, as a result of the failure to get the bond financing, have they reduced the footprint and the project to a size that fits within their budget? having taken inflation into account over the course of the past five, six years, the inflation rate in aggregate is nearly 23%. So if you take, say, 20% of the pledges will default, 20% inflation rate, and you haven't changed the project's footprint or gotten an updated projection, you have a huge difference between what was originally projected as their costs, how much they've actually obtained in terms of fundraising, and the likelihood of being able to go forward with this project. Why do I raise this since you're not in the library? The reason is because if you're entering into agreements with the library to say, not on the agenda, the use of the Grange, which takes the Grange out of use for probably any other project for a period of time.

And they move the books over there.

And the project is underfunded, unfunded or underfunded once they start construction. My worst fear, and I would like to say maybe that of other residents within the town, is that they won't have enough money. Their pledges weren't realized to the extent that they needed. Their budget was too low. And what's worse for anybody who's ever had a kitchen or a bathroom remodeling is that their costs and their deductions and completions went higher. If all of those barriers, granted that's a lot of yes, if all of those barriers or any combination of those variables occur, the question then arises, will the town and its residents be confronted with an issue of a library that's sort of half-built with books that are stored in the Grange, so neither the Grange nor the library can be used, and the town's sort of forced to completely be caught the payment in order to proceed with the project. Hopefully the town has asked these types of questions. I hope it gets resolved. Thank you very much.

I don't have any questions for you, Evan.

When we last discussed that dollar amount, that was in received dollars, correct?

six four one two monday june the reading of the social justice claims to accept anticipated funds totaling four million three hundred seventy nine thousand dollars we are going to give them three million dollars per hour so those should be funds over the end of the day it could be for our sake so as far as the town knows that's

I do wonder if that delta is directly related to what you brought up, which is the pledges versus the actual follow-through pledges. I think that would be a pretty high success rate, to your point, if that was only out at $64,000 or so. Sorry, I can't write down the exact figure, but that's the number that's provided to us. Certainly, $5.5 million. When I think back to the Warren article, as was presented in town back in March, the gentleman, the design firm, and I believe the designer, gave a present. Broad strokes, I would say. Obviously, we didn't get to the great level of detail of everything that was happening, but to the best of my knowledge, that was an up-to-date design. I don't know if there was any alterations from 2021, so four years ago. It's certainly changed. Inflation has gone up two points quite a lot since 2021. I don't know if either of you had any different thought on what, to the best of my knowledge, That was the basis of design, was that $5.5 million at the time of the $1 million requested to fund the difference of that proposed $1 million. Obviously, it's a little bit more than $1 million based off of the not quite $4.5 million amount, but that's the information we have at this time.

So, the $5.5 million but I believe that's the number not only last year, but the year before. As I said, we've contributed to the fund for this, so it was something we were interested in. But if that number has just been carried over from year to year, on a lot of projects where you can say you know five geno can probably answer better than i can you know five a five-year projected cost for construction of that size whether it is the same costs five years later to me would be somewhat dubious but you know it's yeah well i won't really say and forgive me i've taken up more than a lot of three minutes but all i'm saying is i think these are the types of questions, however superficial or hard they may be, that really should be addressed. So that in the hypothetical worst case scenario, the town is not going to be dealing with a situation of, you know, we have a conflict operating

No, completely understand your point and taking the great hostage with books and a little bit of a product that may have no end date to your lack of funding certainly is a possible outcome. And I completely understand your points in speaking with a few of the trustees. They do plan to downgrade. downsize their overall initial planning to meet the dollars on hand. They are still actively trying to fundraise and speaking with them, but that's a nice idea. That's not on the end. So when they plan to break ground and start their project, they did plan to utilize only the scope of dollars that they received. That they realized that they're in their debt.

Correct. That would make sense. I guess, abstractly, it would be nice to know that the square footage expansion, so that whatever it is going to, whatever it will be when it's completed, doesn't make us unique in having the biggest useless library because the elementary school is right beneath Kingston and, you know, no child is going to the library. All I'm saying is these are the types of questions I'm hopeful this morning will ask going forward because we don't want my worst concern. Thank you. Thank you very much. Move on to

three items for public hearing today. Do we need to open this only separately? It could be on the agenda. They remain on our side if you can talk. Thank you.

So we are going to open the public hearing on May 15, 2026, 10 Kensington Town Hall, Amina 95, Ansboury Road, Kensington, to hear the following in accordance with RSA 419A to establish or approve the fees for applying a mechanical permits within the building department. So we have a proposed permit and update to fees, which we did not have before for mechanical and flying. With the residential permit fee being $35 plus $3 per thousand, and the commercial permit fee being $60 plus $6 per thousand, the estimated cost. Do you have anything you want to add on this?

No, so the application to approve the meeting about I'm just looking at the numbers. I've kept them relatively low compared to other towns. Just need something to move forward. So I feel those cities that are adequate enough yet over the .

You said you'd cross-reference other towns. Is that correct?

Other towns are $8 per gallon, $35 to $50. Some towns are flat rate, $75 and $100. That number probably will be within that flat rate on average. It could be a $35 permit fee. It could be a $135 permit fee.

Those are the loan numbers that I have looked at. you know that's that's fair enough for the next building town the folks we'll be applying to yeah no we discussed this before i trust you in this department any questions or comments from the public

we'll be closing the public hearing on the mechanical and plumbing permits um all right so i made the motion to accept the revision to the plumbing and mechanical permits within the building departments in line with RSA 41-9-8 to establish a approved fees. I second that motion.

All in favor?

Aye. Thank you, Gino. Thank you. Thank you, Gino.

So now we will open the public hearing for RSA 4198 to establish an approved fees for the town's special alcohol apartments.

So we got a special alcohol permit that we didn't have the insurgency with it, and we got it sent to, we should look into that. So again, and they do a policy to go forward with it as well that kind of has a process so that if somebody gets the permit, you can get a policy and you're going to see the process that we follow so that we're all on the same stage now.

Is the liability disclaimer new or that was already there?

That was when we started, yeah. I like having the SOP like laid out and down. I like this style. I actually don't think it needs to be read. Yeah.

My only comment would be around the application being clarifying that if the permit is declined, that the fee would be refundable.

That's a really good point. Any questions for anyone else on the call from it?

So currently there was no fee for the application.

There was no fee and we were looking to do it with somebody and we had seen it on our phones and it was $50. It was on the loan side. Okay.

In general, how many of these did you receive a year?

We've done more.

More? Yeah. So is that like five? Is that 10? Is that 30? Under 10. Okay. Yeah, we signed off on it. We signed off on it. We signed off on it. We signed off on it. We signed off on it. We signed off on it. We signed off on it.

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Does the form or anything else have an indemnification? Does the form have an indemnification provision in it?

It has a liability disclaimer.

That's just that the town is not liable. That doesn't prevent somebody I have to say, this is definitely not my main prevention disease.

Yeah, you've gotten, you've gotten to go, um, permanent self. So this is all taken from the current, what would you, if you want to open to that, we can continue.

No, I think that's a great tip. Not really. I don't, I don't want to stop the wheels of progress. It's just something that you would, I would think you would often.

No, no, no. I, I review a lot of agreements regularly and the next thing you've got is a great suggestion and definitely something worth at least exploring and looking into seeing if you can add it would just be a significantly good additional layer of protection for us yeah i mean I'd say the only other area that it does capture is Section 8, application certification. By setting the application, the application acknowledges understanding of the applicable liquor regulations set forth by the National Liquor Commission of the Town of Kensington. I don't think we necessarily have any laws, so I don't think we go into the state and federal, but that doesn't mean you can't I suppose there's an underage as well as over-serving as well as any other part of the liquor license that would be applied by the state. I mean, would it be the easiest to look at what the liquor license says when applied by liquor restaurants? Because I know that there are certain things that you can and can't do. Correct. Thank you. Yeah, thank you. So we can do that. Yeah, that's fair.

That's fair. all right so i'll make a motion to continue review the special call permit policy if you're using town property uh until further information so the next meeting of july 27th

And so we'll close that public hearing and we'll open the public hearing for discretionary preservation of farm appeasement pursuant to RSA 79. Historic Farm Tax Incentive Program and its applications for the criminal or previously approved appeasement.

Yes. I know that you had a couple of questions. And from the application, this is a renewal. It's already by the same corners. I did have that look at the building this year. They did not look at it. They previously had reacted. So they went on the move and they reinvested the car. We took pictures and pictures. So this is the location. I'm sorry about not being able to put this up, I was planning on putting this up, but the applicant also turned in information and recent pictures of the barn to show the state, the state of the mill and the text of what was looked at. They just had other things, not the actual historic barn, they said they had changes But they didn't even know what the site should be called. We told them we needed qualifications and sales and presented it. It was a good thing to show them.

Just out of curiosity, how did they hold the first renewal when they were out there before?

They went out the very first time. The second thing, there was a renewal in 2016 and now 2016. So 17 years. And you came here? There's no change in here.

Yeah. No.

They have to keep it in a historical view. And it's also mentioned by the Vespina Unifestival. So they would also mention it in one of their books.

Yeah, it was called the Johnson Gladiator's Dodger Evans House from 1773.

So it's been there for a while.

Just a little review.

Yeah.

Yeah, that thing can tell some stories.

Yeah, it looks like just for the Barnes, if it's not. Okay.

Yeah, I think these are the adjustments that Avatar made, right? But none of them passed the Barnard's Law.

Okay. Any comments or questions?

So this application, you were flagged relating 10 years?

Yeah. Does that, if the bar is sold before the last year, does it transfer to the owners? They transfer to the owners.

Yeah, thank you. If the owners decide they don't want to bring up it, they can. There is a way for them to get out of it if they want to play with the bar. But they would have to do it.

That's what it is.

Yeah, they would have to support the structures.

okay so it's such as keeping the status quo avatar cannot look at when you share it as a radius and 10 years is off and let's live with 10 years like that okay

All right.

I'm going to move to approve the one application for discretionary preservation of Barham easement pursuant of RSA 79-D, which is the historic Barham's access center program for the property at? 167. 167 Ames and Railroad, Kensington, New Hampshire. I second that motion.

All in favor?

Aye. Yes, and then after the 7th day, we'll do it again.

As we close the public hearings and move into the agenda portion of the meeting. You better start a conversation while you sign all of those tasks. So we'll start with Scott. No, that means that we respond.

We dropped it. We talked to Captain Faye. There was something that happened. You know, they replaced the door. They said it's gone out of the entrance here. It's, you know, it's very expensive. One of the guys, it's just not closing. We don't know when it's closing. So, we came in with that door to find out. So, it's all gone. So, I think it just, you know, it's 10 inches long. Which door is that? It's the door right down here. The entrance to that door. Okay. I think what's happening is the rain, you know, the water, the rain, So purpose of the site, you know, push it back, you can do a lot. Yeah. Is the, is the closure still working? No, it's still working. It was fun looking around. Yeah, it's, they're doing it. It's a long thing to do. Yeah. You know, just having, you know, you know, whatever.

So should we, should we put that all together in a piece sheet?

I was going to press that.

Okay.

To see what it was individually or tie those two because they're in the same condition. Yeah.

Yeah, maybe.

They're not used as much as they used to be, so it makes it more important.

So I was going to do five seconds and then add them to one or two as well.

Do they have the same name for some of the power tools?

Okay. So we have the power tools, we've got alignment for free as well. So maybe we can work for something.

Yeah, I'm not sure if we can get alignment sensors for you. Yeah, maybe it could just be done.

Yeah, maybe they're, I don't know if they're just going to do it.

It's a lab system. Oh, okay.

Yeah, that's going to be good. All right.

i got a from uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh

so yeah so these two doors are probably just going to be slapped yeah i feel like i've been doing doors which is just doing all the months and when i'm done with this isn't that here and they're about i don't know that we have been sitting here that's a change that they just point while back so that just means things just changes So that's all I have.

It's still strong. Yeah, during the controls, the interest, the interest in this building, I would say it should be a rather tough priority, though, especially, much like yours. Yeah.

Yeah, but it gives it more, a little bit more level. Again, it's time to start with that as well.

Yeah. Okay. Plus the wind blows through it. It's windy, so. Solid. It sounds great. other thing is speaking of the library we're going to meet with the contractors i mean we had a meeting with them monday in regards to how this department is going to work out with the construction vehicles and frames and trucks so i don't know their plan yet actually didn't even oh yeah so uh we're gonna figure out what they're gonna do I don't know whether the school's going to be in session, so there's going to be a lot of things that they're going to have to do. I'm assuming for the kids. Yeah, so it's one of those things in the voice of that, that I want the school fire department to do. I don't think the school or the fire department in any way wants ball nets on their property with this Yeah, I'm going to guarantee you the school board can say the same thing. Yeah, well, I think they can be schools and they're telling me they fall, they have stock construction. So again, I'll deal with them. I don't know how this is going to work out, but there's going to be a lot of trucks and, you know, things and stuff. I would assume that's going to be some server standards, which I'm sure, I don't know if any of this is priced out, but we can find out by details. I'll do it for the prep. yeah um i think kind of in line with public comment that has been a bit of a lull in terms of communication from the library and their plans that's been a bit i know since lord irons voted down and we've gotten updates and then maybe some small verbal wants informally um chief what are you leaving on monday let me look at monday okay why do you want to come in there uh it's not a block it's in the office so if i'm available to come sit in on it too just it's what's that planned yeah we should figure it out yeah but you don't have to start obviously you've got it still there you know the construction being done there's a couple a couple of things that really come to mind one residence right next door to it There's a cemetery across the street that has minimal shoulder depth. I'm not sure the Grange wants to give up their parking spots or areas for egress and ingress. There's a house adjacent across the street, but there's just not any room. for a large equipment to do these activities. Do you get flaggers? No flaggers. We try flaggers.

A couple of weeks ago I tried to get better flaggers. I got complaints for the flaggers and not having flaggers. So we haven't had time to fill in the details. Okay. But I ended up with a large phone call to replace all the flaggers. So no more flaggers. Okay.

did you see what that means in real like what does that mean so what's happening these black private companies you're hiring these flagging companies you know flaggers don't pay attention they're you know you get they just cause don't get off and you feel like it's not paying attention for they're not even out there you know they have lights out there so at the point we have the other day just kind of on the

that seems less than beneficial yeah so i will say that i experienced what he's saying um stop you know stop that car so that i can go through because i had a great day uh but i had to stop and i was like okay well this is great okay so i i saw firsthand I don't want to say they can't do their jobs.

Yeah. But again, I had more complaints with Black or something and then let them be out there with us sometimes. Yeah.

So it's something that Blackboard addresses if they're contracted with this. You know, once they get to the stage of, you know, framing and stuff like that, you're going to have to, you know,

They have equipment with the others, customers and stuff like that. So that's going to be done. Like I said, they're going to have to go into the store and sell it off to everybody. But yeah, let me speak with them in terms of areas where I can be more involved with them. I haven't seen any plans for this. Yeah. Okay. Can we set a theme here in terms of updates? Is there any, I guess...

for waiting to give us some updates.

Thanks. I have to say, I've experienced two more times on Wild Nash with the same, literally the same individual doing their lovely e-bike wheelies up and down the road.

Yeah, no problem.

She's not getting anything new. At all. Well, your experience. Much like most of the experience they've had on collisions, right? I think they've corroborated the things that were being heard. Is there any updates from the towns or surrounding towns? So right now we're just going to work on what we should be doing until we see. kids are getting killed on these flea bikes a lot and there's a lot of accidents with these like so i think you're going to see the state uh that's a bad law or something we've been talking a lot of state but everybody got a street plan someone i know that works for the stadiums and they said something about it so it may be something that's going to happen to put in place through the state but for us right now we're just using the fishing game and i think so This is the way I'm, you know, sorry. Again, the kids are trying, you know, step by step. They don't get it. After we deal with it a few times, we'll have to make it so it's interesting. Got it. As long as you're putting these kids in crime, money is a safe problem. It is. There's a lot of complaints about it. It's a little over the place. It's summertime today, so it's... No, it doesn't happen on a safe basis. Yeah, that seems to be the case. You know, we get the complaints, we go sit down and throw them in the right place. Sure. I got it. Sooner or later they do. Unfortunately. Yes, they do.

A few things. So on June 26, myself, the Deputy Chief, I'm going to be in Phoenix. And on Firefly that brings out to be asked to see the new tanker. So it's actually a real edge. It's there. It should be up here. leave soon we're just uh we went down to mount some tools where we wanted specific tools and stuff so um we're very very close to finish um that being said um we're gonna plan in what's called a pushing ceremony it kind of dates back to um fire service the tradition of the horse and um horse drawn apparatus where the guys would return from a call and because they can't get a horse to back up with the you know the pumper on it they have to literally push it into the station so we're going to do a push-in ceremony uh probably on a saturday night uh let you guys know when that is once i get the truck in building so uh just keep that on radar kind of an updated kind of busy july um starting off on june 30th we went to a um commercial chipper fire chipper fires down on um north aval road out in the woods i mean we were able to get our trucks out there and uh put this trigger out i guess he had a major mechanical failure chief let him get a truck into the woods Well, it's not wasn't the greatest. And it wasn't luckily it's been kind of dry. So it wasn't really muddy. So we were able to get both our engines out there and our forestry truck.

So, you know, we were there.

I did talk to Jackie about farm department, I think we need to kind of before that, like, logging in front of it or whatever it is, to kind of specify, like, if you're going to do this logging, you've got to put me in some kind of road. It's not going to be, like, a perfectly paved road, but you've got to give me more than two ruts. Because my trucks are heavy, and they will sink a bunch of rock if there's money in there. And I don't need to clean up the bottom, you know, close up, and all that sort of stuff.

We need to look at that. Is that like an interim flywheel at most? What would you consider that?

Well, that, last name is literally a logging road. I think all they do is when they take out a tree and move something, fill it in, whatever they have in there, it's okay for them because they're machines with big tires. Their logging trucks, they don't care. They can just I can't do that in the future. That was one call. We've had two medical calls this month. We had a little propane and a potty glue. We had fire alarm activation here at the town hall on a Sunday morning, which I had to take care of. We had another motorcycle accident at 150-107. We were surprised there. That was two cars.

It was too long. We went Mutual Aid to South Hampton for a building fire on 150.

That ended up being Unit 34 building fire. And then we went to Exeter Mutual Aid. We did station coverage for them. I would like to set up a meeting between myself, the Glastonbury Fire Chief, and the board, and kind of get you guys up to speed on the Glastonbury ALS program, because you guys are new. Sarah came in on the tail end. I just feel that it'd be important to get, you know, you guys kind of up to speed on how that program's doing. Kathy attended the one-year anniversary with me, and I think, you know, you were surprised about the number of life-saving procedures that the paramedics are doing. and um how it's benefiting the 18 communities that are involved in it including us we had exeter before this is that correct correct a fair amount of program was going on but they're sort of awesome yeah okay that's when it ceased to face yeah yeah yeah took over exeter uh with the encounters said we're not making money here yeah so we're going to cut that program which then would everybody get into you know the Seacoast Area Chiefs, the 18 towns, all came up with this model that classed out facilities. Okay. And the Chiefs Commission, you know, more than just me trying to regurgitate a team, which would be good, because then we'd get the guy that came up with the program. On that note, Kathy and I are looking at ambulance billing, knowing that eventually we are going to have to bid for services for the paramedic program. We're running out of numbers. I don't have any of those numbers right at the moment. We're still kind of in the preliminary stages. But I think it would be good to have that last time meeting with Chief Knutson and, you know, that way you guys can hear it and you will understand it and you have any questions you can ask at that time. So that's pretty much it for FIRE, for EOC. That's a good question.

I know when we did the warm-up last year, we tried to get a little bit of money away knowing the cost was coming. At that point in time, we had no idea. Well, it sounds like you have some numbers you're questioning now. Is it a slightly better sense?

Yeah, and I don't. The numbers are very booming everywhere.

Tomorrow.

with the 18 towns and Chief Pendleton to go over more of a plan. We're kind of still, you know, obviously working on that. They're still getting donations in from different people, and they're still going to continue to pursue donations. But eventually, you know, the towns are going to have to start contributing something to keep the program vibrant and successful.

We must know the numbers that were paid against your organization before it, if it went default, correct?

Yeah, so before, we were paying for what they considered an ALS 1 call, which is kind of the basic skill level. You were paying like $85 for a call. And then an ALS 2 was like, if you went and had a hot attack, do all kinds of medications and different procedures. That was running about, I want to say, because I'm going off the top of my head, 385 something like that. So the plasma program right now wants to continue that. We did raise the ALS plan grade to $115. We left the ALS 2 grade alone because you don't see the ALS 2 grade alone. it's not as much as the ARS. So, you know, we're still kind of working that out. And in the new plan, there will be a charge, but it will be just like a flat fee, instead of having two fees, right? Because we've been buying into, for lack of a better word, subscription plan that, you know,

You know, like a general idea of rate of occurrence in an average year. Honestly, I'm sure. Yeah. I think we just did a total of, I think we called them like, let's say 71 times.

but we chanted them a number of times where we didn't beat them. And then they were on scene, whether they went with us or they just came, did an evaluation and then triaged them back out to us. That was like 33 times. So we're not, like Epping and Raymond and Deerfield, they're just, they're up to 200, it's the only, you know,

That's it for that.

VOC is just a little tidbit to everybody. This week's going to be really hot. So, you know, try to limit your activities outside. Stay hydrated. We will probably open up the cooling station at the library during business hours. Again, we got to talk to the library. We did last week. And so let's get to that. I would like to just talk a little bit about the library and the meeting I had with the board and Peter. So I ran into the library on July 1. it was with the builder and the architect um they talked about at first they weren't going to do a fence around the whole property and say they should do with that property because the kids passed through during uh school drop-off and going home they're coming through the fire department parking lot handling the light all the time so you need to fence this off proceed um They talked about one way in and one way out on the fire department side of the law. I voiced my concerns about that and I said that you need to talk to the police chief like yesterday because it seemed you can't, you can't lock the fire department in. I need to operate. We need to be, you know, if you need to respond to emergencies and I can't have, you know, concrete trucks or five dump trucks blocking within the station. It's not work, because I can't get down the roof fast enough. So I expressed that concern. I told them again that I've been talking to board about the well, because they were talking about they're going to leave a larger project, they're going to demo the old building. And I said, timeout, can't download the well, because they have all the bumps and everything. And I said, so if you download that, you're going to cut me out of water, you're going to cut the library out of water, and you're going to cut the range out of it. I said, again, we need to talk about the well. I had really strongly feel the fire department needs to get on our own well. You know, whether we share the range Okay, fine. It's a great reason to spend as much, so it's not a big problem. With the library expanding, they are adding more bathrooms. They're going to use more water. So it puts me in a predicament that, you know, it's not good for the emergency department. My other kind of thing I brought up with them was Then I said, you're gonna come in the whole building. I said, are you gonna leave the fire protection system up around the fire line? They were like, well, we hadn't thought about it. I said, I don't know about you, but that's a historic building. The town has made it a point that they don't want anything to happen to the historic part of it. And I said, if a fire happens in the part of your building and it spreads to the historic building, I said, I wouldn't want to be in your shoes. And if you take the fire alarm system away, I have no idea or no way of knowing that there's a fire there until it's too late. Because we're not staff 24-7, so it's relying on somebody driving by saying, oh, there's a fire in the locker room, by then it's probably too late. So they said they have a lot of work to do on those plants. I don't know. When was this? This was on the first. This one? Yes. So, you know, I remember them. I expressed my concerns. I listened to their plan. You know, I think they have a lot of work to do. And honestly, I didn't even spoke to the police department. So, you know, I have some concerns that, you know, I just don't want them to be brushed under the carpet. I did ask them about, well, you're not playing. And I said, where are you going? Where are you going to put that? They were, we're going to put it right here. Like, so then you can't, nothing can access it. That frame's going to be pretty big. And I said to them also that, you know, if you use my product, I said, my mom's hardly going to touch it. It's kind of falling apart in the back. We just redid the front, but the back wasn't done and we don't have the money to do the back in our default budget. I said, so I really can't afford to have the drives and trucks and cranes and stuff. I said, we're going to be able to just drive a lot and then I'll be out at the creek and I'll have a thing. So, you know, I don't know. I'm willing to let them use my lot, but there's got to be some kind of, you know, you've got to pay my lot after you're done, because it's going to get damaged. So I just don't want to bring that up to the board. I'm willing to help in any way that I can. I can't, you know, I can't sacrifice the operation of the fire department.

Yeah, I mean, one is the emergency services, one is books and community and all the things going on in the library. One, certainly some other attorneys and reports to town and well-being, let's say, safety. I'm a big fan of the library, a big fan of those water fires. I'm a little surprised to hear you say that there was no thought put into the alarm system, which makes me wonder how much thought is going into the overall plan and execution. It doesn't seem like there's some key aspects of this that have been taken into consideration, which is, frankly, rather alarming for a large capital project to not have this level of detail. I don't know. Peter, help me out.

I think, individually, the office had a student battle. We had a fire protection engineer develop it and further demonstrate it could happen. they did not have any plans for the historic site that he took several days to go through. He got to a point where he was supposed to present it to a friend who approved it, and both the current plans probably would do that. But all the issues that said that they had no plan to do it, they were leaving the material there. They had no place to park their business through the construction. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. So they're going to be on logistic, evidence-based, and both the chiefs again, and then be able just to go and look at their image and look at the monies that they have. And they said the monies, they're going to do the job for $12.3 million, but that's in their vision. So that's what's seen on the . They have a lot of work to do to get there. OK. Sounds like it. Yeah.

When you're talking about inviting the library to come to one of these meetings, would you recommend that you have them go through the planning board conversation first, and then come to the sub board, do you want to report access, and then give me some backup there?

Probably, yes, because that's a whole week. And I think they need to hear not only from the planning board, since they have to meet with the town board on this as a regulation, but they also need to hear from the county the time people want, what they're doing about what they're doing. So they can be in this. It's still the trustee's money. It's still their project. It's down. There's anything they've done, so they have to pay them. That's what they're saying. They should have to go and pay with those things. There's a lot of assumptions. What they didn't have to do. Hurling pieces. setbacks is setbacks. Okay, that sounds like a very interesting August to play in New York.

So the stock office had 12 state rules for that.

Markets in the room for the construction, all that has to do with that too. Because the state board had a lot of work to do with that. Yeah.

And I told them, I said, we're putting the construction down, and the EDC automation program had the fence outside them, which would be needed to fix the door. And they said, you're going to have to clean that up too. There's not going to be one coming through. There's a lot of people that have used that. Yes.

I mentioned that to you also. This is where the parents, because it helps block the front of the fire station. So they land in the front of the library, then they move up when the space becomes available. And I also mentioned that we just had a ramp in the front redone, and the drainage worked on, and I said to the contractor, I said, you can put it over. You can put an access ramp in to get to your site. So you're going to change the drain and you're going to possibly flood the outlet and then I have to fix anything in front. And that's not good either. So I said, you have to plan for that. And I said, if we have another winter like we did, it's going to be... That's a good point too.

That's it. So, you know, if this was going to work out, it's going to be a construction. yeah i'm sure it would be it's not one of the capital projects right starts and falls and goes to winter are we expecting to follow around the cranes are we expecting to follow around building materials you know what are we doing um there's a lot to still be discussed

see the results from it and what you're doing about the questions in the present day and the fall i think that would be your opinion on you yeah okay just make an observation the concern i'm going to express the competing just it allows people on video to hear me thank you i may just make a final observation concerns i expressed beginning of this meeting have gone up exponentially

having heard the degree of uncertainty, lack of thought, or planning by the proposed contract vendors, et cetera, for this project. This project clearly should be approved by everybody in this room. I'm sorry, all of you in this room. And I get the feeling It's nowhere near that. They have a start date in mind for this project. I can't even begin to articulate the bells, but I think you have clearly recognized a number of these.

So speaking for myself, this could be a problem.

Chief, where is the centric system for the library? Is it part of the... They just did a test test.

I haven't seen the design yet, so I'm not sure what the system is going to be.

We haven't received it, I believe.

But is the septic on the actual property of the school or is it part of the fire? It's on the library. It is.

But it's got to be, so we haven't seen anything yet.

Thank you. Now, are you asking about the current subject? Yes. Current subject is on the library. Okay.

It's in between the fire station lot and bottom. But it's not on the fire station. Not on the fire station. Nope.

Chief, I've got one final question, sorry. In terms of what the economics of supporting other towns, it's more of a curiosity question, but if you were to go support a true alarm fire, cover exodus fire triage when they're out doing something, how does that work? Like, for instance, if we needed someone to assist us as well, is that just, is that through goodwill and the town supporting towns?

No, we have a mutual aid agreement with the surrounding towns. So when we call, whatever we want, the tanker, the engine, the ambulance, they will send their piece of apparatus with as many guys as they can. And we do the same. We reciprocate. That's why it's called mutual aid. When it gets to the point where you're substituting your department personnel and women that you keep calling for example, if we didn't, you know, if we kept calling them for an ambulance, we couldn't get our or whatever. And that got to the point where it was like, you know, over 50% of the time, we weren't getting anything back. You know, that's no longer mutual aid. That's, you know, we're reducing our services.

So, I mean, we have nothing. Everything is good. My desk is semi-clean. So, I'm working on that. And hopefully, I'm coming in every day for a month, every day that I'm in, for a couple of hours, and then I'll be back for five hours. So I'm getting glad that that. And then his photos. But then everything's good. I don't have any as far as I know, I haven't been placed.

Yeah.

So I am just going over the maintenance and it's pretty.

for the municipal overlay or something they've taken the lowest with their cost per ton of mix at ninety two dollars and seventy five cents at times uh balance one came in at one hundred dollars a ton and by Industries are going to be paying in with $130.30. So, like I said, that's just the low, medium, and high. As we dig through the bids and try to decipher outcomes for Athens, which was a little higher on R&Ds. Yeah, I think we tried. We kind of failed at that. Yeah, I think the line item was, or back end thereof, they lumped. two-year-olds together and they didn't even put a cost to sweep them back. They are one of those things where they're grown. But in looking at their shim plunge and overlay tonnage, they were the low ball in quantities, coming in at a hundred and two tons. for shim and boat and 660 tons for overlay. When both Bell and Plim and Pike were about 400 tons for shim and 700 tons for overlay. So if you double back and you do the simple math, if you brought part of your paving up to the tons like the other recommenders quoted, even at their reduced rate per ton, It's a modest difference of $8,337 between R&D and Bell & Plank.

So like I said, apples and apples, it's pretty plain.

And then moving on to the Olivia Lake reclamation. I got numbers back from that as well. And once again, We had a loan number, a mail number, and an item number. came in with a cost of reclamation per square year of $3.30. Reclamation was one of the items you were going to look into, right? Because- Sorry. Okay, thank you. Okay, thank you. Referencing rate. Yep, right. And a gallon blend came in with a cost per square year of $4, and bike industries came in with a cost per square year of $5. I'm also looking at the price of buyer. The base fell for a ton. R&D came in at $98.95 a ton. Bounce went at $98 a ton and bike at $115 a ton. But once again, looking at half of this and looking at quantities, once again, R&D payment came in at $4,000. an estimate of 4,000 square yards of reclamation when both Bell and Flynn and Pipe was 4,500. And also they were lacking in the tonnage of vine. They had 590 and Bell and Flynn and Pipe rolled at 650 tons. So once again, if you, even at, Even if you figure R&D's taming, you know, price or binder and cost of reclamation per square yard, if you adjust that to Bell & Flynn and Bikes quantities, it's a difference of $5,467, meaning $100 million. So my recommendation is to go with Bell & Flynn just due to the completeness obviously of their bidding process and like i said our r d is just a little lacking in the department so do you produce suggest um with r d obviously they came in under but they came in under quantities quoted as well because then if you pause to wonder if they understood like what does that what does that tell you it it tells me that uh Something to describe it. Change order, change order, change order.

That's not correct.

Yeah, Matt and I directed and spoken to him. You know, we have history as well with Bell and Flynn and, you know, the town is. Yeah, correct. So they've been on our roads for years. So, I mean, you know, Personally, this is one of those areas where I think that, you know, working with someone who you have history with and has completed jobs to, you know, what I would say is, you know, adequate and chat in the boxes. And then personally, the low line already concerns me, just the way the proposal was done.

And then even after further dialogue between that and that company, they continue to try to essentially propose their lower price by really not doing it out to staff.

It's been an episode of much embarrassment. And thanks to Matt for doing that math to figure out, hey, where does it come in? Not to mention the local aspect, too. You know, Stratton, you know, town hall here, as opposed to Plankton, not as great. Yeah, Plankton. Yeah, that's not just, you know. Why can't we, if Plankton was consistently, both in the beginning and then with the reparations, above, right? Just their cost per ton of mix. Pike is a rather large company. I assume that the enrollment discounts would have been higher and they would have a lower rate. You would assume of the numbers, the numbers of the numbers. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Right. That was interesting. They didn't have a representative show up, which would have sued them. Yeah, okay.

And so then just to make sure I only make the right one. So the Gollum-Flynn The estimated total for STEM fields is 133,975. Correct. And then...

So again, that would you go with the recommendation based off of everything you've known and chatted about with some individuals with longer experience? Yeah. I'll ask for Olivia.

The excellent, the, uh, the recommended total for Olivia was 87,600. so yeah yeah cost is 133 plus 87 can't do that i'm trying to do this for all the costs

And what was the warrant article for? That was for $200,000 that we had 46 of the previous year. I see it does not come with us. $277,000. So you would say that post, and it's probably a rhetorical question, but will the cost savings from between Pike and Bell and Flint, as well as the overall knowledge and confirmation that they do a good job based on the stream, do you feel that R&D would not honor the potentially strong wording? would probably go above the original scope in terms of cost. Well, my concern is they didn't go back with time. So I'm not in the business of putting the skinny mix on our roads and then having them break up and buy the appropriate time and then we get 15. I understand. Okay. So they would potentially do the job of the quotes providing that it would be some are and they would be the time ago. Okay. And just so curious based off of one article, um, estimation that was generated, obviously was around for the conversation of that. Um, how, how did we come to 200? Um, is that just best estimates off of. The jobs ahead. The $200,000. Basically, since I've taken the position, we've just backed down the number and rolled over here. Trust me, if I didn't have your help anymore, I would have been on my side.

I think about that position, you've got a lot of big capital trees that come here.

So there's never been building projects here. Yeah, okay. We are playing back... It's not like I'm paying. So the $200,000 that was approved the year before wasn't utilized to its fullest allotted amount. So the reason that is because I don't just do 30 or 300 people. We try to do both projects. So that's why like last year I did some people in two sections. A and B, because I know if I did it all at once, I wouldn't have enough, but if you start at a thousand feet, you know, you could try the 46K, or you could have a dog lying in the road. You know, now you have these piecemealing things.

I think it's really just a quick point out, though, that it's on record that you're able to get more funding and i know like you just said if you can get more education but having the ability to work with um bell and uh who would honor potential other rates and we're able to commit but we don't have the funds to commit ahead of time because we need the warning to be approved but we could have potentially had the tax save money have we had more approved.

And that's why sit in time. So you just want to save the largest scope of the video for tasks. Well, sometimes some of my studies actually have a line item remaining. So this particular year, since I did, since I had been with some people in two sections and I had those two numbers, I think if it was a line item, I could have sign a contract, and it would have been, help me out, Kathy, at the end of the year, would have been rolled over. Encumbered. Encumbered, thank you. We could have encumbered that for the same, the cost savings, like the same price per ton of the medical that was passing right now this year. It's gone to hell and the price of that asphalt gone up substantially due to the cost of fuel. So it's okay. Just something that is an interesting advice to be considered. It's costing us more in the market. Matt, so your final proposal to the board would be Balanflim, correct. Reclamation for Olivia and Oberlein or something, Oberlein or something. And the unaccounted funds from the board aren't going to come out of the balance from the previous year that exists.

Correct.

I do believe that the Biddle quote, I think probably it was Bill Way that seems to be not necessarily part of this conversation. Do you think Bill and Flynn is superior to R&D claiming due to the overall outcome of a satisfactory final completion? Do you believe Bill and Flynn, has Bill and Flynn generally stuck to their quote? Have they gone up or down in price much?

No, they've been pretty faithful to their quotes.

Where do you think the whole difference is in that? Is there anything in the contract that... So, any gaming vendor always writes in their... They have the right to adjust due to the price of the iPhone. That seems to be fair, right? Yeah. is that the biggest price difference here within one of these quotes correct okay we assume that the quote is based on the current goods sold pricing that was two okay so just hold

I feel tongue-in-cheek. I feel tongue-in-cheek.

I feel tongue-in-cheek. I feel tongue-in-cheek. I feel tongue-in-cheek. I feel tongue-in-cheek. I feel tongue-in-cheek. I feel tongue-in-cheek. I feel tongue-in-cheek. I feel tongue-in-cheek. I feel tongue-in-cheek. I feel tongue-in-cheek. All right, Kathy, what is the motion? There we go. Do we need to look at the cost in this, Kathy, in the motion? All right, definitely need to have one coming back. Definitely need that one. All right, I will make a motion to approve and accept the proposal of Bell & Flynn at 69 Bunker Hill Avenue, Straton. Is there any approval for this? There's not. Or Stonefield Road Section A, which was from Town Line to Whittle Way, for the total amount estimated to be $333,975. And the Olivia Lane Reclamation for the ultimate goal received for the total of $87,650 to improve the work

Thanks again. That was a lot of work.

One more thing. I've got a couple numbers for culvert replacement on the stock field prior to the overlay. There's a 12-inch metal culvert that's basically built into the infrastructure. It's rotted out. I've already fixed two sinkholes there. previous seasons. So we have one estimate from CDL construction, basically to stock up the NFL, remove the ties, install a new HPV plastic cover, backstone, come back and be able to bind it. He came in at 9,480. The second um is from matrix excavation it was the same school for um um um six thousand eight hundred and seventy five So the pipe supply to my others, I purchased the pipe from Burgess Auto Works. Do you have an account? You already purchased it? I'm going, okay. But we get the municipal rate at the discount, so that's why a lot of contractors buy all of our parts. So yeah, I priced the $300 million on $0.40 for 40 feet of 12-inch PTP. That's not very much. No, all right. The cost was installation. Okay. So I remember knowing the matrix. It's not the first time I've used them. We've done several projects, four million down, and it helps us the best we can. Okay, and this has to be done before some field? Correct. I don't want to pay the road and then I'm sorry. Okay, so I'm going to get the, I'm going to get the ball replaced first. Is this round of 10, I imagine? Yeah, so if you guys, if you guys pull the trigger, I'll force a bike tomorrow and get it scheduled. All right, the funds, is this, So these funds would come out of road mates with the line into Manhattan, Kentucky. So I have $18,000 in there. So this would be coming out of that. Okay. And in this case, your suggestion is to go with the lower rate. And the cost would be necessary. And the cost of the bike would come out of that as well. So that would be a little over $7,000. Which I'm, you know, I'm... I mean, I'll pretty much hold on to that as a reserve unless something comes up. Because I don't think I need to fall in regard to making up for dispatch units once the maintenance contracts. I'm trying to be mindful of that. Yeah, I see about 2,800 over for the winter. Yeah, I think we understood it was about a month of winter. And then, so you're suggesting to try and hedge the I guess that's a rather, it's a rather, it's been 18,000, I think, but it's been, it's actually, let's say 7,000 coming in, and now you still have 11,000 left, that would cover your. Right. But we also have, coming in the, coming in the fall, we have a lot of winter, a lot of dry renewals, and there's, basically, we'll go with that later, coming in the fall. Yeah, we, Our contractors get stipend payments, so even if it doesn't snow, there's still, you know, monthly allotment for them. Give them the tie-up for the guys and their equipment and stuff like that. It's the same way the state does it for most municipalities. Okay. I think you said roadside blowing is something you're going to look into trying to do as well, right?

I don't know if you spoke to that on Americans.

you know, onboarding plant, you know, on video. So he heard from multiple . That's $7,800 a loan right there. That more than covers this loan. And I was going to cut back on $300 too. So obviously we'll respond in, in, um, dire need safety. Yep. Okay.

With those things looking at, we're at about 72% of the budget for the year. Do you think that that will kind of be enough to balance you out for your rent?

I believe so, especially if I'm through a little, you know, I'm obsessed with, you know, I'll pay.

We're just waiting to see if I can do anything about it. You think this is definitely something that should be done?

The roads collapsing due to the deteriorating metal pipe. It would be a shame to have a nice, nice room that just starts caving in on something like that. Yeah. Okay. All right. 20 points. Yeah, I mean, it's within the budget. Seems like the right thing to do for a long time. I've spent a lot of money on that to redo it. Seems like a real shame to then just have to redo and redo. Okay. Well, I think we should have something on there otherwise, but I will certainly. So Matt, can you give me the exact figure? $6,875. Is that the exact figure for you? Yeah, it's just I will make a motion to approve the expenditures of $6,875 to Matrix. in paving and excavation LLC, putting allowance on the funds of 300, excuse me, to the cost of $6,875 for replacement of the plugger on some fields prior to the paving of the road to occur, which was recently approved, as well as releasing $6,892.40 to procure the plugger, which would be installed. Second, I motion.

I'll second.

I second. expansion thank you guys thank you yes ma'am yeah i just wanted to talk to you did you see that um the passive on the tree i didn't get it i went and saw it it's it is an excellent community that snapped off halfway so i'm gonna have to it's in the it's in our regular it it doesn't seem to be a huge danger right now okay it's uh everything you know anything about every tree is very similar So, I mean, it's not, but yes, we're going to have it. Thank you so much.

Yeah, I wanted to thank you for going over in person and taking care of the tree at the school. The library had a tree falling in the parking lot and not took care of it.

You weren't supposed to say anything. All right, we'll come back to it. Yeah, thanks, Alex. Thank you.

um any other department heads community communities um i think there's a committee here and he's got some papers which i love thank you

Okay, so there are a couple of updates, but the first important thing is the written letter that we need you guys to be aware of that we're going to sign with the lawyers for... Thank you. It's a non-profit pro bono lawyer company that's going to help us with the firing of the directly for the geothermal system. One, we already met with them. This is an informal introduction. I see a very big fit. So once we get that assigned, we can talk to them fully and then get their take on how to file our finances. We're not going to start filing until next year anyways, because we're filing for the 26 months period. So just like on regular tax returns, we don't have access to the 26 months anyway, so they could be different. But we're going to get started just so that we

no information anything else they can come up with i don't have that for you did they do 17. they specifically were on these credits energy credits so that's why we're excited because they they haven't experienced uh they're not cpa so they're not gonna

filed for us but they are able to tell us what they can look out for and more or less which farms we should be looking at uh the next one is cb so uh sarah was here when we brought it up originally last year This year or now, it's actually a little bit different because what the CVS program is very, to the point, it's a national program that can be implemented by the states that allows an energy district to be generated, to be created, and what that allows in businesses. So this is for-profit businesses and any non-governmental entity. yes uh to ask for a loan private loan from private lenders for energy specific measures so what this amounts to is basically any business looking to do any renovation can usually look for the sea pacer loan uh companies if they are eligible once we if we enact this question And it then allows them to take a loan, which is usually very favorable. The terms are usually like 30 years, which is better than what a lot of these companies can usually get. And up to 30% of the asset value of their building. So it's a pretty big deal for these companies and it's required. So if it got enacted, then somebody is a renovation that could have counted into the retroactively as for the money it's alone um last year we didn't even write the subject because it was going to have to go up to to the town to get it approved and we didn't want to get into it it was too early in the program we didn't really have times for the times we've done it so we didn't have enough uh enough to go on but now that's about a couple of weeks ago or last week the governor just signed into law, a law that allows the board to make that call. So we no longer need to go up to the town to ask for it. And for what it is, the specifics, Charlie's working with the Clean Energy New Hampshire group to have them come out to this board meeting to explain all the details. There's a couple of things that are a little bit specific to how the program works and only a few times we've already done it but not enough to say yep go for it um we do think it's great and we already a business that contacted us because we've been talking to them about how this would help them and just like you guys get a sense for what it would do for them so the nurture nature child care center they they're well underway with they got funded um They were able to get everything, the score of everything. However, they had to scope down the budget pretty substantially because they didn't have enough funding from the bank. And one of the things they missed out on was increasing capacity for their daycare center. So right now, they were in a number that I can't remember. It would be awesome if one more class would be able to support it, but they don't have the funding. They're taking about $200,000 to $300,000. This would literally give them that funding immediately. The timeframe for them, they don't need to start a litigation for another month. They're going to finish their current project by November, so it would have some time to get this through, but if it got approved, which the timeframe is very reasonable to assume that if there's no issues and you guys are okay with it, we could potentially see it as early as September coming through. um and this is the one business right any business that's doing energy improvements can take advantage of it and my energy improvement the term is pretty fast uh there are a lot of things that are just code that qualify for cancellation developing windows um key pumps key pumps depending on which type you're looking at of course um so yeah we think it's a great idea and if you guys are okay with it we'd love to bring a representative at the next board meeting

I think the one question I had last year about it was really kind of getting an understanding of what the administrative lift is. If I remember right, it's been a year or so. I'm kind of rusty on this, but there's a lien that's put on the property and the town needs to manage that in some sort of way. And I think by and large, we didn't really know what that looked like for the town staff. didn't want to take on something that was a little too unruly, so if they could specifically address what that looks like, but we have to hear it.

Yes, that's probably going to be the most important question.

Yes, so if you guys are okay with it, after the next board meeting, we need a public hearing in 10 days. Within 10 days, yes. And then after that, we can vote on the I'm creating what you call an energy district, clean energy district, clean energy something. Yeah.

And we'll get a list of the plans that we've done and see if it applies. The least knowledgeable of this, Anthony, but anyone in this entire room? What does the scope of this entail? What thoughts went into this last year in terms of what will be applied for this? What scope now in 2026, 2027 would be of interest? I don't necessarily quite understand. Other than it's a nice looking loan for energy efficient projects. Sounds nice. We've already done a lot of energy efficiency projects and a lot of green initiatives, which are fantastic. What, in your opinion, or what examples could be brought maybe to the next conversation? So who is we?

This is for privacy, so this is not a game. Should I do it?

Yes. Listening and thinking about one and every third word you're throwing at me.

Yeah.

I'm not embedding it.

Yes, forget about anything related to the time. This is us in more of a... our capacity to help businesses with energy projects or just in general to get their projects. Thank you. Yeah, that's all it's trying to do. And it can help any of these businesses. We're also going to talk for the new private school going in, building long runs. But also, once we enact it, they have three years retroactively to apply for the loan. So if it's helpful to them, they can apply and they can get funding for catching ham to do other things.

On another question, how many physicists actually exist in this town?

Not zero.

There's not, there's not a lot. You know, you don't want to set them up for reverence. And you have C.P. that can reverence. Yeah. Nature, nature reverence.

Sounds great. Sounds like the scope is pretty small. I guess maybe back to Sarah's point, I'd love to understand the lift and what's required versus the potential benefit and outcome of such a small catchment area. Sorry, what was the question? talk to any of the businesses or engage their interest in this yes okay and we asked them i think i guess there's like 10 i think this is about 10 businesses yeah um we talked about all of them i mean no canvassed but i guess maybe why not um there's not even that many that you can chat with yeah we weren't even sure that it was gonna last like it literally with with the governor

making it into law by the new rules last week. Now, if we're confident, we will. So we probably will demarcatively go out. But it's not like it hurts any, I think, assets. Yeah, no, no. Like, you don't have to use it. It's no problem. But we would absolutely go out and put the word out because it can be really helpful, right, to actively give businesses these loans if they're able to use the money. Got it. Okay, I get it.

Yes, right. Okay.

Okay, so that's, I will let you guys know if we can schedule this meeting for the 27th or whatever the next meeting is. Yeah, you got it. Okay. Then just a couple of things from us. I mean, a lot of things. So first, the feedback. The geothermal couple weeks ago, the upstairs one, I had an issue. We resolved it. It was covered under warranty. The issue was just a faulty sensor. The second day they replaced it and it turned out it was a combination of a faulty sensor that was a little too sensitive and they put it in a place that was a little too shielded, so it created some condensation. That was it. So the unit itself wasn't, it wasn't a part, it was part of the unit. It was a third party sensor that they always add just in case they replace it. And it's been good, but obviously we should keep an eye on it. We have another, we have a full year of warranty. We'll keep an eye on that. Other than that, the system's been working really well. We have two good data points so far that I'm going to bring up. One cost June was a particularly warm month, so it was a good test for the system to see how it upgrades for cooling. The downstairs in this apartment used $25, the entire one, without accounting for the solar. Accounting for the solar, it was basically zero because most of the hours that it was running was during the day when the solar was running, so that was no good news. Upstairs, it was about $45. So really good sign on the top right of the cooling month. Of course, we have a couple more months to see the whole summer through, but that's really good. Was that in the month of June?

Yes. That's a pretty hot month. Yes.

We were able to look at, especially the really hot days, we get a lot of the influence this summer and they didn't even notice. Yeah, so that's my beginnings. Then the other thing was how we were expecting it might help with the air quality downstairs. We've been measuring since October for August investment. The issue was radon. When the whole system went down, radon, you notice that it went above the threshold of four kilograms per liter or whatever the unit is for. I don't know if it was for like a day and went back down, but we had a theory that it was because it's a passive system, so when the HVAC system is not running, it means that the levels could go up. It looked like we were right because when the system came back on, it went down to about 1.5 to 50. Ever since this system has been on, it's dropped to a low one, which is the lowest it's ever been done. A low one is exactly what you want to see in the radar mitigation system. So the guess is that when they put in that process or something, we're expecting it to run a lot like it is now. So we'll keep monitoring for the rest of it. We want one full year's worth of data, but it's not going to happen. So that means we're not going to have any issues at some point. It's not going to happen. It's not going to happen. And then the last one is the solar. So we are about to bridge one full year with solar. And the numbers are tracking exactly what we expected. We're going to have about 30 megawatt hours produced per year, roughly $6,000, a little more because electricity is more expensive now. So that's looking great.

No issues. Any other communities?

Road construction and libraries. Okay, so we're waiting for action. She did want me to change the social letters, which I didn't agree with that part, because we had talked about it before. So I didn't change that. Just the social letters I've seen. So that's the only value that I'm able to make.

So does it make sense to just find the executive summary of what this means?

Yeah. And I will do what else is expected from what I've just seen.

And so this is a new lease for the town and the library. We have a lease that was, put the town, a lot of responsibility on the town, particularly we did when we wanted to go after the bond. In order to do that, that was a town responsibility. And so the lease that we have in the library, put that responsibility and all that onto the town itself. This now puts the responsibility of the renovation and the building and everything back to the library where it was prior to. So the town is continuing to lease the library building from the social library trustees, and they manage their funds that they have raised. So with the funds in the town that the library raised, the town select board has no, we don't touch those, we can't manage them. So this way it really puts the responsibility back so things to points been brought up something runs over if there's an additional cost those are not town responsibility those belong to the library and so this run of those renewed lease direct really lays that out for us so that we are not in a position where the the town is responsible for something that we did not make that decision including additional operating expenses maintenance etc so it's not just a cultural

Construction and projects itself, but it's the ongoing. Yeah. Essentially, as to us, as the lease was worded, the town was responsible to sign off on literally everything. And that the library was doing. The board could not feel that that was appropriate at all. because we have little jurisdiction over interest in how the library is run other than through areas like the planning board to make sure that the appropriate measures are taken into consideration and obviously adhered to. The line is extremely high to the town and there was no reason for that other than a warning which wasn't passed anyway. So ultimately, between the release the memorandum of understanding which i think was both all of which have gone through uh significant revisions as well as legal review multiple times it's putting it lightly i think this sets the town up to be in a great spot to support the library in a meaningful way while being a secondary department let's say instead of being a primary driver or even primary partner We certainly will continue to support the library. They're a public entity that we all enjoy. I fully agree that this is what we're going to do, and obviously the trustees agree as well.

This is where the town is leasing

I think we're going to use it with respect to the library and not with respect to the grant, correct? Correct. And the cost of this is, you said, $1 a year? And the term is for what period?

$22,114. That's probably going to exceed my lifetime.

Probably going to exceed that. And that, nevertheless, is not going to restrict the levels of inquiry that I articulated at the beginning of this meeting, correct?

That is correct. We still have a select board liaison. There's still a public plenary meeting, as well as all of the jurisdictional planning board, as well as planning all of the subsequent departments. Thank you.

just say it's the major decisions off of the work that starts construction and funds because they they don't know literally

It's an interesting word, at least because of who's the tenant and who's the landlord. And so it was actually when we reviewed that, that we started to realize, well, none of this should be anywhere on the library and not on the town. And so that was totally what I would describe as extra protection clauses.

I think it's a great idea. I need to know, you know, what I have to do if I haven't had a lot of time.

That isn't specifically addressed. I believe what it says in there is that the town will maintain a lot of the power, which is .

Yeah, the tenant shall have a facilities including water, sewer, gas, electricity used by the tenant on the premises during the terminal lease.

And then it's more about damages and destruction. Supremacist.

Doesn't address like a physical wound. So I'm getting. Um.

Understanding.

Again, I'll just say, you know, the fire department, we need our own. Whether we're sharing with the range is fine, whatever. I'm okay with that. that this needs to be established.

This can't be gone on its own.

It doesn't. I don't think anyone's going to argue that point, Chief, at all. It seems to me that water is a very important part of firefighting. And if you have a lack of water at the station, this seems to be a key impediment to your role.

So I would And it's not even the firefighting part of it, because we invested a lot of it in other places. It's for my decontamination gear decontamination machine. I'm trying to fight these guys who are getting canceled. And me, that machine doesn't work. And I think, you know, we learn about, well, we're going to turn the machine on. Well, don't flush it totally. You know, they need more than one. Yeah, yeah, I understand. I mean, what's the... No, no, no.

I mean, you need to be, this kind of your function is your role.

I did bring it up, and I think she said that it would be a little weird for them to put it in here. Okay. But she was going to look into it. We didn't pick it up a lot, but then...

I mean, there's a lot of one-offs that we could or couldn't add here. I think it would be kind of a long list, and there would be, I believe, based off the capital project that's coming, it's more important to sign this and work on other items to address. I mean, Peter, I'm looking to you to see things like, would we add the well as part of the conversation with the planning board? Oh, absolutely. Well, exactly.

Right. Yeah. Well, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

And in terms of a separate level, is that something that's one article item that would come in? Is that part of the budget line item that would need to be approved? How does that mechanism work?

Well, it depends on the cost. They're about $16,000.

Dig it, put it in, plumb it, put your fly in.

That's just a dig it.

It's just a dig it.

It's not a budget item. It's a tender file from the last level item. If there's not measures in place, that could be something to make sure that there's some protection. But yeah, when we put it in the budget, putting a budget at $680,000, $825,000 on the plus side, that it could go well, and it's going to go well.

Yeah, I mean, I'm just concerned, like, if everything is signed, and there's not an opportunity to go back to the . It's not going to be a .

Yeah, I mean, that would be .

That would be a . Yes. I feel like that's under the planning board, Address?

They will address their own instructions.

Yeah. And who holds them accountable if something were to go wrong? Wouldn't it be something that we...

Okay.

We're going to use, you know... Well, as far as the mold goes, we were just talking... Again, the structure comes from that with some who... that you guys all talked about tonight. One of them will be, all of them will have to be left on somewhere in the building so that the wall stays, you know, stays active. As far as the, as far as the new world, you know, we need to, you know, we have to think about either putting in your own world, the library, and then just sitting in your own world. I don't know because I inherited that. I don't know anything about the system. I have no knowledge of what size pumps in there.

And I can ask the guys, but I'll get four different answers. I think we're going to want to come into the station the only way that we've got them.

It's a small line coming in from the water side of the stage.

I'm just really bringing it up with the construction time.

It's perfect timing for them to address it, considering the costs.

But when you factor that into the grand scheme of their project, I mean, you're talking as well to me. That's not even a percent of the project. Maybe for them to put it into the library or something like that.

no no no no i'm saying to their own it'd be perfect timing to say hey the the 16 for drilling and then the additional cost but i know you're talking about i'm ballpark getting making numbers up 25 30 000 on a four and a half million five million project i mean we're talking about a blip on the radar in terms of we would just

But it's, it's a utility, not necessarily the drilling and ownership.

We aren't talking about a new loan, we're just talking about the existing loan. Essentially says it will be maintained and kept as, as it is.

It's not going to be paid until they use it.

I've been thinking later about that. It's not going to be, now you're not going to be able to pay for a lot of

and you want to arrange the day. The way I'm just hearing that, since I got a, now the department can turn around and charge me to go to law.

And utilities, well, you're not paying for law. So that's the time of day. exempt from or removed from utilities, because utilities will be gas, propane, and in this case, propane, and water. And that's the only utilities over there. That's the utility for the road. That's electric. So that would be the only thing. But water, there's no building. Well, it's electricity. Right. We'll have to go outside. It's not going to be in the city.

That gets a whole nother question.

Well, I just didn't want you to ask, so I'm sure at least it's something we'll capture. No, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

Chief, we completely understand the point of agreement, which is not consistent. We don't believe that this agreement is the area in which this could happen. We do agree that it does need to be brought up, both with the planning board and execution, with planning on the project itself, as well as conversations about how to pay for a potential new well, whether it is the library itself as part of this capital project, and the current setup is, well, sure, by the end of the grant, as it is now, it's a line from the well, not going to the library any further, or a new well coming in, or whatever. That obviously is a much larger project that has much larger implications. To say the least, we do view it as two separate activities that are intertwined. I was just curious. No, no, no, no. It's fair point said by that it's really involved in your area, which we can appreciate.

I just, I'm just looking for more, more for, for on my side, I get the reason. Honestly, for your support, because I've been like, you know, in that meeting, I'm like, I just told the guys, I said, this is, this is a hard one. I need to fix this. I need your support or I need your guidance.

It's okay. You're on your own. You certainly haven't. I think you've heard our conversations all night. Based off of the fact that both chiefs need to still have a conversation, one half of it is very solid, abbreviated in its life cycle. You don't want to get that happen with them. plan board canceled for July, but it sounds to me that they're still trying to figure out what they're doing in terms of this project, which has a large implication on a lot of other departments. And so my other question is too, with this project, the names, right? So would the names all modify all of this?

fall in a place like ours and equipment and stuff being brought in front of, you know, houses and complaints of noise, whatever we have been saying, it could be on my level when I get the call.

Yeah, I see.

They'll get notified of the planning, when they become the planning board as well, aren't they?

Once they get through the planning board, the planning board can recommend and give them the level of information they need to make this project go forward. then it can go out to the public with their, but then it gets sent out to the public, and that's when they have the public, so they can present to the public, here's what we're going to do. So here we've got all the parking issues, all the radio issues, all the water issues, all that will be worked out so they have their plan on how to do it. Yeah.

I think, unfortunately, what kind of happened was it was more like everybody getting together and This is kind of what our vision is in our, and you know, not to say a plan, this is what we hope to do. And this is, you know, in both of us, and you guys in the world, planning both in the field. That kind of didn't happen. I think that should have happened, like, even before, but, you know, so now we're kind of going to catch up. I kind of tried, and I'm not me, that we were there just trying to kind of like the lightening and I said like, you know, these are my concerns and I've got the same kind of feeling you've got as my father was like our king and they even said they don't belong.

So the deadline to start is, sounds like it's pushed out by at least a month. Yeah. The original plan to start this was September. And they told us, I don't know if that's feasible.

That is maybe, I mean, part of the library's community goodwill. I hope that they maintain that goodwill.

Well, this is, that was one of the final statements I made to them. You have a very involved community. And they will be watching this and listening to this when they move through. We don't understand how this town works. We don't know. Yeah, I could see. So, they run away with it.

Not just the fact of community, but I mean, this project, it develops, it's very much an intention amongst the towns. I mean, everyone's going to be paying attention to specifically the religious as well, though, because of whether you're for it or not.

Well, it was only the first time they started asking the questions about, can we do this? Can we do that? all the other conversations were, we don't need to give approval to this, we don't need approval to this, we can do this because we've done a lot of things. And this is how the RISC-1000 works, you don't have to, you know, finally send it to an extractor, read through our records, you don't have to read through ours, you don't have to present it to the tenant, and the claimant won't even stop, but they can give you, there are certain things you have to abide by from the claimant, They now understand that this is a deep dive. We didn't touch money with them and just said that there are numbers in your bid that is contingency and there's other line items that are significant. Or any notes that are for unforeseen issues or whatever. well-liked humans were seen as sheep, and they could go off and stay in bed for over three hours. We can't tell them how to spend their money. We can only tell them how to make their life easier if they were with us. I think they went away with a good understanding of the world around them.

Thanks, Peter. After what?

Proof of project. Yeah. We do not. We haven't completed the permits. By giving a permit, we have to approve something, don't you? They have to meet all the regulations of the town and the state to get their permits to influence their construction.

So essentially, there's a big criteria for sure.

They don't get a stamp on the planning board.

They don't get a notice to receive a notice of decision saying this is not a right project.

I'm missing something. You have a building inspector who has to get approval for construction.

So construction is going to be in all state local codes. My understanding, because of the municipality, There's some exemptions, is that it? There are some exemptions, whereas the planning board doesn't have to have a notice. They don't have to be approved through a notice of the city. But they still have to show us their plan. And all the other questions that were brought up at that meeting from July 1st, and before I leave the building for a minute, I'm going to go up the ceiling. and then have the chief the chief possibly in the plane what they've done what they've come up with before i give them a golden card so they're like answers they have to deal with so there are conditions that they have to meet that are both town and county safety violence of course they have to deal with those before they haven't had to find you from the office to make sure they're going to find what they need once they have a little finance in the building sector we saw we should be primarily uh it's been buy-ins needs consent and the first time they spoke to them was 13 days ago for a project that's been in the plans for five years interesting well i wasn't there because of

situation where i just have the first time they approach that's the only thing that's going to go to the line 2100. that in order to address the current other issues that the environment departments have

No, you're saying that the lease is not the appropriate place to exhaust that issue.

It certainly is. I don't know who's telling you not. You have an outside counsel, DTC. Literally, the outside counsel said that. If the lease is not the appropriate place to be responsible for utilities.

No, it deals with responsibility for utilities. It does not deal with the fact that they've shared well and what happens if they need to draw a new one. That is a different issue.

And it's not addressed in the lease.

Correct.

And would it be timely to do so?

I think we want to continue to have a conversation.

Before seeing the lease?

No, I'm sorry. We're saying that it is not in the lease. That is not the appropriate place that our council told us to put it. It is definitely still a conversation that we want to have. But the lease we were told is not the appropriate place for that. So my recommendation recommendation to the board here is that we move forward with the lease because it allows, it lays out the responsibility for the library trustees where they're at in the building and this process. It takes the town on it. We can't control that $4.3 million and we can continue to have this conversation about the wealth when it's talking about paying for electricity and gas, that is not the place that talks about the building and ownership of that wealth.

Was DTC aware of a shared well?

Yeah, that's what DTC said.

Where were you saw? Were they aware there was a shared well in the fire department? Yeah. We don't know. Well, it's there today.

So I don't know what they haven't told us if that's relevant or not. How do we send it to the government? What do we do then? When we talk with the finance, when we're planning what goes through, is we're going to ask those specific questions. How does he get his water? How much water do we need? Is this going to satisfy the way it's set up now? If they don't have that answer, they're going to have to get that answer first. And if part of that is to keep the well in the way, or whatever the case may be, that won't be discussed with the attorney.

Do you have any reservations on signing these assets?

No. This has been revised multiple times. I think it's appropriate for the intent. As I said earlier, I agree with what Peter just said about the well itself as well as the conversation. Certainly appreciate the Chief's perspective, and it's certainly noted and would be addressed as part of the construction process prior to the construction process for Elliott State. No, I do know. I'm not going to repeat everything you guys just said, but I would just also add that Then with that in mind, with the power sessions I've had, I'll make a motion to speak for approving this, correct? To approve the lease agreement as stated, this lease agreement is entered into by and between the social trustees of the Kensington Social Library being the landlord and the Town of Kensington Act through its slug board being the tenant, as is said herein. Second, then we'll get.

So, one signature, so the manager is the chair is probably.

Yeah, that's right.

I know. This is just an acknowledgement of this recording of the Ministry of Sanctuary Services. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, we just got the location. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I don't know if you want to put this with the next.

What is our responsibility as a board? Your responsibility is to either approve or deny.

Okay.

Yeah, that's quite an interesting read. I can't say it's a very light read. I don't, there's a lot of technicality. There's a lot of technology.

I mean, personally, this is one where, I mean, paragraph three, personally, is where I think a lot of it is summarized for me. And I feel, again, my opinion isn't that bad. I mean, I'm Chad, and he clearly fell out. Paragraph three outlines his rationale as to why it should be united. Personally, I would have to agree with Chad's recommendation. Yeah, I thought the change took effect when building block commons to tight end. Oh, that's right.

So that's an interesting point. They were speaking about because there was a change in the land, it should have been taken in Arlington. As far as the solar panel was involved, it was built by the farm. So the farm, in those days, it was supposed to be made of humane and organic produce.

But Chet is not... But then he says, the development was produced only in a way that was physically changed, not the entire process. Yeah, it's not how RSA 79-A or 7 works.

I mean, I didn't know the... I don't.

I don't study these RSA laws.

I understand.

I did. I simply don't. I can't rule in the good faith of someone who does this for a living. And who also clearly justifies. It's like showing that the master will take on the excess. He shows his worth. Then to agree with them based on the principle that is out in here as well as the fact that this is his role, he outlines all the RSAs quite clearly and then describes the rationale behind them. It's a very well worded document. He's not only, sorry, he's also recommending corrections. So I feel like, you know, he's also saying, hey, there needs to be some things that need to be changed because this is incorrect. So. Yeah, I would have to agree that denying the abatement is the correct approach.

Yeah.

Tom? I agree. Just everything going by the expert leader who does this, that's writing every day, and everything he references, I feel like there's clear... Yep, including other things to do after just denial. There's other things in here that should be followed through with. All right, Kevin, help us out here.

Okay, so we're saying in this last framework, I believe that that's probably what we should do. Yeah. Where we, the things we've adjusted from 450 to 350, that changes the. That's, it's taxable. That does change the taxable amounts.

Okay.

All right. Is this a motion? Yeah. Okay. It is changing the amount of the tax. All right.

Well, I will certainly do so. I will make a motion to deny the 2026 land use change tax, which is what's a big and recommended request for building block commons LLC 330, utilizing our legal account, excuse me, advice to deny the amendment as to the motor liability, the claim that the parcel should have left for use in 2013. Also, the current use acreage of record for one acre to reflect roughly 2.372 acres distributed previously and additionally to adjust the $450,000 market value used for the change tax to $382,000. I would second that. All in favor? Aye.

That's it. Awesome.

Yes, I'm sorry.

Sorry, the internet is lonely.

or suggesting how broad their meaning is that yields to the better of self-interest. Sometimes I do, I can't do it. I know this question a little bit more than I said, do I know it? I didn't see it, but I know it. So I'm very long-winded. We're there. I do.

I should be able to speak to you in time. So I'm going to give you a little bit of time. I'm going to give you a little bit of time.

you know once the sun sets that's actually a question did you know oh nice so we're just trying to cycle but it's only one guy Well, I think they do the same.

He wants another one.

Well, I think it's taking the stuff from the old one. Yeah, the old one. The old one's been very down for a month because they had to stop it off. Yeah, that's what happens. They have to stop it off. So we're down for a good time.

I mean, Jenna, we want to . We just have to . All right. We have an appointment.

This is for the trustee of the trustees. Trustees? The trustee of the trust funds. Yeah. Something that Bennett has altered .

And then the other one is her temple.

I will make an motion to approve Linda Bennett as the trustee of the Trust Funds for Kensington Town and Kensington, NH. I second that motion.

I'll close the paper.

Thank you, Linda, for your endorsement. Excuse me, the trustees. Trust Fund. Trust Fund. All right. Um, I will make another motion from anything and everything. Uh, for Tyler Poole in the county of Rockingham, uh, to be a fill a vacancy with the position of part-time firefighter for Pennsylvania Fire Department in South Kensington. Second motion.

All in favor?

Aye. Cheers. Okay. Still in favor? Yep.

That's uh, all in favor of size. Thanks. Thanks.

Okay, that's it.

All right.

This one's answered.

I wish to adjourn this meeting. I second. Bye.