City Council - Regular Meeting

All right, it is now 6.30 and the meeting will come to order. Good evening and welcome to the August 18th, 2026 Kennewick City Council meeting. Council meetings are streamed live on our website, gotokennewick.com. Viewers can enable closed captioning by assessing this setting feature in their preferred web browser, either during the live broadcast or when watching the recording. Will the city clerk please state who is present and whether a quorum is established?

Good evening, Mayor McShane. All council members are present and a quorum is established.

Thank you. Will Don Wicks please lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance this evening? I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you. No one is registered this evening to provide tonight's invocation. Kennewick residents interested in giving the invocation can find information on our website or through the city clerk's office. Tonight, it's our pleasure to honor men and women in our community who are recipients of the Purple Heart. Before we begin, I'd like to invite Kevin Velicky, VFW coordinator for the Purple Heart Trail Project, to the podium to introduce our attendees from the Veterans of Foreign Wars Post 5785 and to tell us more about the history of the Purple Heart Recognition Initiative here in Kennewick. Thank you.

I'm going to stand this way so I can, is that okay? Okay. The four of us are from the Kennewick VFW Post, the organization that's coordinating the Purple Heart Trail Project here in Benton and Franklin counties. With me, well, first of all, I'm Kevin Velicky. I am a... VFW member, a coordinator of this project, a Marine Corps logistics officer, and a Vietnam vet. With me, if you would stand and salute, Chuck Forrester, Kennewick Post Commander, Honor Guard member, retired Marine Corps major and Gulf Wars veteran. Next is Jim Witt, Honor Guard Captain, Army Infantry Captain, Vietnam veteran, and Don Wicks, Honor Guard member, Army retired first sergeant, Vietnam veteran, and a Purple Heart recipient. Who is and what is the VFW? To be a member, a veteran needs to have served in an area of conflict like Vietnam, Gulf War, or Afghanistan. The Kennewick Post is a very active post that serves veterans, provides support and leadership for youth organizations, and provides military service to the community. For the youth, we provide scholarships for the VFWS-supported essay programs for high school and middle school students. Contributions to and for the young marine groups and the two high school junior ROTC programs in the tri-cities. Kennewick has the Air Force and Hanford has the Army. We provide and pay for wheelchairs and build wheelchair ramps for veterans. Our honor guard, of which these three men are members of, provides color guard services for over 100 veterans funeral services annually. participate in parades, present colors at baseball games, and post the colors at 12 or more school Veterans Day assemblies each year, and it's growing. Purple Heart Trail project to date. So far, the city of Kennewick is the first Purple Heart city. Port of Kennewick is the first Purple Heart port, not only here but also in the state of Washington. And the Sports Page Bar and Grill is the first Purple Heart restaurant. Not only can public entities be Purple Heart entities, so can restaurants, golf courses, et cetera.

So Sports Page Bar and Grill is a Purple Heart restaurant.

Next will be City of West Richland, then Benton County, followed by the City of Richland, City of Pasco, Port of Pasco, Franklin County, and then Prosser, Benton City, Cornell. We've got a year to pull this thing off before the end game is... A reception on August 7th, 2027, which is National Purple Heart Day. We will have a reception for all the Purple Heart recipients living in the Tri-Cities area to be arranged by the veterans organizations and the public Purple Heart entities. That's our end game. So at this time, Mayor, I will have you...

I would ask and thank you for those kind remarks. Can I have Don Wick's retired Army First Sergeant and a Purple Heart recipient meet me at the podium to accept the proclamation? Whereas this past July our nation celebrated the 250th anniversary of the Declaration of Independence, and whereas this milestone was only possible because of generations of brave, selfless men and women who have sacrificed themselves in defense of our freedom, our liberties, and our nation, And whereas George Washington established the Badge of Military Merit in August 1782 to recognize and honor persons injured or killed in service to our country. And whereas in 1932 U.S. Army Chief of Staff General Douglas MacArthur revived the tradition with the Badge of Military Merit renamed as the Purple Heart. And whereas for the past 94 years our nation has awarded the Purple Heart to service members injured or killed in combat. And whereas in June 2026, the Kennewick City Council proudly resolved to declare the city of Kennewick a Purple Heart City, bringing the Purple Heart Trail through our city limits to formally honor and recognize those who paid for our freedoms and liberties with their blood. And whereas working closely with the veterans of foreign wars post-5785, signage now declares the extension of the Purple Heart Trail throughout our city. And whereas August 7th is traditionally known across our nation, Purple Heart Recognition Day, and whereas the entire month of August is known as Purple Heart Recognition Month, and whereas it is appropriate to honor and recognize residents of our city who are recipients of the Purple Heart, and now therefore I, Jason McShane, Mayor of the City of Kennewick on behalf of the Kennewick City Council, do hereby proclaim August 2026 as Purple Heart Recognition Month in the City of Kennewick and encourage community members to commemorate this milestone by taking time to reflect on the sacrifices of these brave men and women and the enduring legacy their services provided for each of us. John, would you like to say a few words?

This proclamation is going to be really appreciated by the veterans of the Tri-Cities and especially the ones of Kennewick and the Purple Heart recipients. We all appreciate this very much. Thank you, sir.

Thank you very much.

One more. Please, Kevin. Let's show it to the crowd and then we'll turn around and show it to the council. Jim?

I got it. Jim Millbar and I spent an afternoon a couple months ago driving around the city to find out locations for these signs. So we have made for the city ten of these.

You get the first one. Again, the city of Kennewick gets the first note signed for Purple Heart City.

Thank you all. Next on our agenda this evening is a proclamation acknowledging the importance of regular school attendance. Will Dr. Luann Ayers, President and CEO of United Way of Benton Franklin Counties, please join Council Member Anderson at the podium. Thank you.

This will test if I pass the literacy test. That's right. Whereas regular school attendance is essential to student achievement, well-being, and graduation rates, helping students be proficient readers by third grade, have higher achievement rates in middle school, and higher graduation rates in the high school level. One out of every four, this is surprising, one out of every four students in the Kennewick School District were chronically absent, missing 10% or more of school days for any reason in the 24-25 school year. And the impact of chronic absence hits low-income students and children of color particularly hard and exacerbates the achievement gap that separates these students from their peers. And whereas all students, even those who show up regularly, are affected by chronic absenteeism, because teachers must spend time reviewing for students who missed lessons, and whereas chronic absenteeism can be significantly reduced when schools, families, businesses, elected leaders, and communities work together to promote regular on-time attendance and to address barriers that keep children from attending school, and whereas celebrating its 14th year, the 2026 Attendance Awareness Campaign theme, Your Presence Matters, is a crucial message to promote, I, on behalf of Jason McShane, Mayor of City of Kennewick, and on behalf of the City Council, do hereby proclaim September 2026 as Attendance Awareness Month in the City of Kennewick, and we urge everyone to build a community culture that ensures our children have an equal opportunity to learn, grow, and thrive as they gain the knowledge and skills needed for high school graduation, the essential pathway to careers in our region.

It is a double honor to follow the Purple Heart as the first in the cities because the city of Kennewick is the first of the cities to also declare attendance awareness month. And as a proud mama of a sailor and daughter of a marine, it is an extra special blessing, but I'm also the daughter of a teacher and a mama of a teacher. So it just was meant to be tonight. I appreciate the City of Kennewick's ongoing support for families, for kids. You know, there are over 90,000 minors in our two counties. And they are the force of the future. They're the future you. Elected officials, voters, customers, business owners. And to really get to that level, we really need to increase our high school graduation rates. And that's why we really focus on every hour counts. Every hour at school. If your child has a dentist appointment, bring them back. If your child has a sniffle, is it really a sniffle? The school can give you some tips on when it's appropriate to keep your child at home and not. You know, we even have chronically absent first graders now. So it really takes the whole village to help support families, to get kids to school, to stay in school, and reinforce the message that every hour counts because attendance matters at school, at work, and at life. Thank you very much, City of Kennewick.

Thank you all. Next on the agenda is visitors. This is the only opportunity to comment at tonight's meeting. Visitors are welcome to state their opinion on any topic except for election matters. The city clerk has informed me there are no online visitors signed up for to speak. If someone in the audience wishes to speak, please raise your hand. The public comment period is not an opportunity for mutual conversation with council members or for posing questions with the expectation of immediate answer. Council members will listen closely to your comments but will not directly respond to you. The City Clerk's business card is on the table near the door. If you need follow-up after the meeting, please reach out to her and she will connect you with someone who can help. When it's your turn, please come to the podium and state your name and city of residence before beginning your remarks. Each person is permitted to speak once for a maximum of three minutes. A timer will be displayed on the screen and will start when you come to the podium. A total of 30 minutes is allocated to visitor comments. The City Clerk will start the 30-minute timer now, please. Thank you. All right. Warren, do you want to start this evening?

All right. Warren Hughes, Kennewick. I ended up on the news again last week. After you all had the strategic meeting, Apple Valley reached out and we had a good conversation about improving communication with the city and moving forward a strategic plan to revitalize downtown. And I remember from last Tuesday's meeting, there was a lot of talk about building owners and investing in buildings and getting everything kind of up to board. And then Monday happened. On Monday, I heard from two building owners down there about their troubles with what comes off as capricious and arbitrary enforcement of codes. I'm actually going to try and move into one of those buildings, and so it directly affects my business plans, but they keep hitting delays and problems in communication. In one instance, he had to reapply because the city staff didn't understand the drawing that he submitted. And I have come to these meetings for a year and a half now and heard constantly about how friendly Kennewick is for developers running developments. And so that's one story. And on the other hand, every time I talk to somebody trying to fix a building in downtown, they just hit problem after problem after problem. And I understand that Some of that is the nature of the buildings themselves being challenging. But it seems like we keep leaning into what is an adversarial relationship with these small individuals that are trying to fix up these buildings. And I talked to the guy that owns this building, and he's like, I'll never do this again. I will never invest another dollar doing this again because it's such a pain. I keep hitting problems. They keep changing their mind. I can't get consistent communication. I've heard from another building owner that she has to record meetings because it'll change when she comes. She touches back and they change their minds. And there's, again, challenges in moving forward with these buildings, but we have to have some kind of consistency here. for these folks to run a business. You're not gonna invest millions of dollars in fixing a building if six months later somebody changes their mind and it adds 20% to the cost of the project and you had no clue that that was gonna happen. And it seems like this changes depending on the scale of the project. I know a little bit about codes in Kennewick and the public market sign popped up overnight, does not comply with Kennewick sign code and no one's done anything about it. The public market itself is a highly problematic project and somehow seems to have just glided through, no problem. And then we try to do something in downtown and hit after hit after hit. So I would encourage council and staff to kind of take a look at how we're approaching downtown and maybe a little more communication and flexibility there would be appreciated. Thank you.

Next person, please.

Hi, my name is Alexandra Rose Lee and I am one of the building owners in downtown Kennewick. I am 114 West Kennewick Ave. The property has cost approximately $758,000 to keep restored and actively standing. My business, White Glove Weddings, started in 2016 in Kennewick. It is a coordination and design company as well as a rental business. Those are my primary active businesses. When I purchased the building because of my love for downtown Kennewick and the restoration efforts into preserving the historic district, I did not realize that I was going to hit so much resistance on trying to better the community and better the area with zoning inconsistencies i was told on day one after closing my business after closing on the building that i needed to indefinitely close my business because it was not zoned as an event space this space is very large it is Used for consulting. It is a area that events can be held just like Red Mountain Kitchen and Layered Cake Artistry. I did have to acquire thousands of dollars in consulting for zoning specialists at Gravis Law to respond to the city, which at the time that employee now no longer is here. Moving three years. To currently, I was told that the gentleman calling believed that my business's primary mission was events and that I was not allowed to have that business after three years of running a business just fine. I am now being told to indefinitely close my business again. I would really like consistency when it comes to zoning. some sort of guideline that is not just gray area, because right now, hosting events is an accessory to my primary business. There's no definitive, specific examples, timeframe, whatnot, that I can use the space for events. Nothing has been defined. So I would like to not be told that I have to go out of business. when I'm using the building for business, if that makes any sense. Thank you very much.

Thank you. Additional comments this evening?

Good evening.

My name's Kathleen Brotherton from Kennewick, all 43 years of my whole life. My husband and I are here today to make a request on behalf of our neighborhood. Over the last year and a half, our neighborhood has taken a turn for the worse. We were really relieved a couple years ago when the occupants of 2823 South Fruitland started to move out because it had become a drug traffic house and it was completely affecting the safety and tranquility of our neighborhood. We looked forward to the prospect of a new family in our neighborhood and the peace and quiet being restored, but that was really short-lived. the new owner showed up and said that her and her husband and grandson would be moving in from Alaska. We were thrilled to have a family in the neighborhood again. And then found out that she was deciding to use half of the house as an Airbnb. And then on asking around, we found out that there's really no rules regulations for that in the city of Kennewick, which isn't super surprising. Because Airbnbs have just recently kind of grown in popularity, renting out a room is not a new thing, but making a house into a hotel is kind of becoming pretty popular. It seems to be on the rise. It seems that it's probably time for our city to consider looking at regulating this ever-growing industry and protecting its residents from being overrun commercially in residential areas. The increased traffic in our neighborhood has made it unsafe for the kids on bikes. Airbnb guests have continuously blocked the roadway, making it impossible to get in and out of our properties. People have tried parking in our driveway. Late night door dashers that are looking for the Airbnb have knocked on my elderly neighbor's door that's here with me tonight, scaring the living daylights out of her because she lives alone. We've just, we really have tried to make peace with this and just wait and saw what was going to happen. But the owner repeatedly lies to us and her tenants. We feel powerless. So we've, you know, we've worked really hard to get where we're at. And we live in a beautiful old neighborhood in Kennewick with amazing neighbors. And to have some lady just come in and up into everything is maddening. So I just recently read about PASCO's ordinance, number 4847, which established regulatory framework for short-term rentals. And that seems like it's the light at the end of the tunnel that we've been looking for. I am asking this council to consider adopting a policy to make an ordinance similar for your residents, please. We just need structure and accountability to protect us and everything that we've worked really hard for. I've brought a copy of PASCO's recently passed ordinance and ask that you all read it and consider making one that mirrors this policy, hopefully. That's pretty much it. I'm thankful for you. I voted for most of you gentlemen, so I'm asking for your help now. Please.

Thank you, Kathleen. You can pass that to Crystal. Tina, please.

Good evening, Tina Gregory from Kennewick, Washington. I'm here tonight to, first of all, let you know that I'm here on a personal capacity. I'm wondering if we give property owners advance notices when we change their zoning. and when i hear the lady back there this concerns me even more with the upcoming 2026 comprehensive plan i've been made aware that the city will be picking land out of different areas that they want to change to commercial but yet some of this land one of them is an eight acre parcel that has a bunch of sheep on it do these homeowners want their land changed to commercial this really makes me think back to when up on chemical drive there was a several houses that have had owned their houses for 50 years and we zoned them low industrial and so they're in non-compliance so you know we have to put out all these zoning uh changes and signs and make awareness to the residents but what about when the cities change in the zone and i just can't feel comfortable going along with this kind of stuff, you know, we have to stand up. We have to show up, speak up, and make these things known. And when I hear this lady can't run her business, it's the same thing. And it happened down with the car lots down on Columbia Drive. And it just keeps coming back to our attention. So I wondered if you could just start thinking about that before you adopt this plan. And that goes along with our... All of our climate stuff. You know, they don't want us to own cars anymore. We don't have to have parking for anybody anymore. But our community likes cars. Our community doesn't have subways. We're not like Seattle. And I want us to start sticking to our own ground and not just bowing down to what these legislators are throwing at us because it's a lot of garbage. Now, the prayer thing. You know? Once again, I show up and nobody gets to pray. And why can't you just consider making it a little bit more lenient to where I can only do it twice a year. That's already done. But you have to live in the city of Kennewick. But this is our community. I participate in West Richland, Richland, Pasco, Benton City, all over. This is my community. And so we work together. I think you should just broaden that a little bit so that you can actually have prayer before our meetings because we need God back in America again. We need to put him first and have things start coming in line. So that was my main thing. I just pray that you guys will think about this and consider this lady that's trying to run a business and invested a lot of money into our city. Thank you.

Thank you. Additional public comments this evening? This comment period is closed. Next item is approval of the agenda. If a council member would like an item removed from the consent agenda, please be recognized by the mayor and state the item number you want to remove for further discussion, and that item will be considered separately. I will entertain a motion.

Mayor McShane.

Mayor Pro Tem Trellis. I move to approve the agenda as presented. Is there a second?

Mayor, I second that.

It has been moved by Mayor Pro Temporelli and seconded by Council Member Anderson to approve the agenda as presented. The floor is open for discussion. There being no further discussion, it has been properly moved and seconded to approve the agenda as presented. Will the clerk please start the vote?

Have you received my vote?

Yes. And that motion is passed unanimously. The next item is the approval of the consent agenda. All matters listed within the consent agenda have been distributed to each member of Kennewick City Council for reading and study are considered to be routine and will be enacted by one motion of the council with no separate discussion. I'll entertain a motion. Mayor McShane. Mayor Pro Tem Trello.

I move to approve the consent agenda as presented.

Is there a second?

Mayor, I second that.

It has been moved by Mayor Pro Temporelli and seconded by Council Member Anderson to approve the consent agenda as presented. Will the clerk please start the vote? That is passed unanimously. All right, next on our agenda is council comments and discussion, and I think we will start down with Mr. Trumbo. Council Member Trumbo, please.

Thank you, Mayor McShane. I attended the Law and Justice Commission meeting last Wednesday. There was considerable discussion about the spreadsheet for... identifying the processes needed and the steps necessary to complete criminal justice for both the adult prosecutorial efforts and also a separate plan for the juveniles. This has been a very laborious effort with a lot of input from members of the various entities in the criminal justice system. there are more than you imagine. And I commend the effort because it started out with a spreadsheet graphic showing in color which steps or which activities needed more attention to make sure that things could flow smoothly. And the coding was green is good to go, yellow is caution, and red is full alarm. And this has helped direct attention to such things as not having enough time or courtrooms available to process things through, an insufficient supply of public defenders. And it's been quite illuminating and a positive thing to see the number of yellow blocks reduced, I think if I'm correct, to I mean, there are probably a total of 40 or 50 blocks altogether on one page, and it is now down to, I think it's four. And this shows the attention that is being given to correcting these situations. It also shows that all of the people who are involved have made a concerted effort to work together to solve it. So I think this has been a good exercise. I've done other things, but I really want to yield time at this point because I talked a little more about that than I intended. Thank you. Thank you. Council Member Clipper.

Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I had the honor and privilege of attending the Hispanic Chamber of Commerce luncheon with a couple of our other staff members today and got to listen to Lutheran Family Services. And they're involved in our community and the Ironman in all that it's, what, $7.5 million of economic investment in our community when they come here and do the Ironman. And I have the honor and privilege of helping keeping the swimmers safe on the Columbia River. So I was very excited to be there today and be a part of that. Earlier in the week, went to a drug court graduation and sat next to a Molly. Bonnie, met her for the first time. She's with the Elijah Family Services. And we're going to get together and see how we can work together to help, to a greater extent, the citizens of our community. So just really excited about things that are happening in the city of Kennewick as we grow and prosper. And thank you for the opportunity. Thank you. Mayor Pro Temporello.

i attended the hamford advisory board meeting i'm sure people have seen in the paper so the city of kennewick there will be no designated seats it will be individuals will apply for the hanford advisory board the government will pick the 20 folks that it wants falls in line with the rest of the nations on their advisory boards so for our assignments that kind of goes away and takes one check off the box, I guess. The presentation could have been done better, but overall, I would say that the Hanford Advisory Board, out of my experience, was an organization that got too big to be functional. When I look back at the last 10 years, They had issued 19 pieces of advice as their suggestions to the federal government over 10 years. That's a lot of talking, not a lot of doing. Two years ago, they issued one piece of advice. And when you insist that an organization that had over 32 people on it, not counting the alternates, to have a unanimous consensus before a piece of advice even moves forward, that's asking, I mean, I love my wife, my wife loves me, we don't agree that much. So getting 32-some people to agree is really a tough one. So there's reasonable approaches that are being made in my mind, and so that was the Hanford Advisory Board. attended a staff reception this is congressional staff so was five four and three from our local area as well as the Senate offices Cantwell and so anyhow It was really good experience being able to talk specifically to federal issues with those staff members, and they really appreciated the area. Getting people who are on staff to the locations where they can see what's really going on really makes a difference, because it's so much different than reading an Excel office file from somewhere in DC. When you're actually on the Columbia River and looking at things, it changes your viewpoint to some degree. For an unrelated reason, I was at the BFT meeting this past week, and one thing that's coming up in August is BFT management is presenting stats on... free rides. Right now, I think the income from fares is about 1.2% of the BFTs, Benton Franklin Transit's income. The rest of it is grants, sales tax, so on and so forth. So do they continue that policy or not? That's one question. The other question is they want to establish an ambassador program as well as a security program. What do those look like? So next, in the August meeting, there will be more detail given out on that for those who are interested. And those were the big ones I went to. I attended the rest of my meetings, so thank you. Thank you. Council Member Beecham.

Thank you. I'll piggyback on that. I was not able to attend that meeting. I was out of town, but... PFT will have free fair rides for the fair and rodeo. And so go to that. Go to Kamiakin. Lampson Stadium, there's a place in Pasco, a place in Richland. So I think it costs you $10, $12, $15, $20 to park your car now. It takes forever to get out of that, especially after the rodeo. So ride the bus. I think they were charging last year. I think we did $1, $3 a donation. I can't remember. It's changed every year. This year it's free. So go use it. Don't pay for parking. It's a good service for sure. I think that's all I have.

Thank you. Council Member Bilbao. Thank you, Mayor. A little over a week ago, I attended the ribbon-cutting for Luton Services. They now are in the old Amazon warehouse, I think it was, and beautifully remodeled and very large. So I look forward to them continuing their services in our area. I also attended the active KPD shooter training that took place in the convention center this year. So I applaud all those that put that together and those that participated. It was well done. And I thought it was a good choice to have it there to be as real as it can get. So with that, that's all I have. Thank you.

Council Member Raderson. Just a reminder that it's National Night Out, just in case you forgot, on Thursday. Thursday. I was just wondering for city manager if we could get an update where we're at as a city on the economic development front. It doesn't have to be tonight. It could be in the future, but just kind of wondering where we're at on that.

Are you looking for anything specific or just in general?

Yeah, what's our movement, what's our direction, where are we going with that?

Okay.

Thank you.

Council Member Beechoff. I'm sorry, I did have one more.

I didn't remember until the city manager said something over there. Saturday, I got a phone call from the Corvette Club, and they were freaking out. Some stuff had happened to them, some change in a permit for Columbia Park. They've been doing this for 16 years, and all of a sudden they'd had some big changes. They weren't able to do what they had done, and some rules had been put in place from the city of Kennewick that we weren't aware of. I was able to reach out to the city manager today. And in her speedy way, in about 45 minutes, handled the whole problem. And the guy that was ready to jump off the cliff, I called him. And then he tried to talk me into running for another term. I said, it was all the city manager. So I will not be doing that. But he was very thankful. So I always want to share those good ones that happened that quickly. And yeah, he was stressed out trying to rent a different venue. They've got people coming from nine different states with the Corvettes. And so... He was very thankful to the city for how quickly we got back to him and that we were able to solve it. So it was a good outcome.

So thank you.

Thank you for that good news.

All right. City Manager Erdmann.

Council Member Anderson stole what I had, National Night Out, Thursday night. And then just we hosted the Washington City Managers Association Conference here in Kennewick last week. Ms. Beaton and I were able to attend. We even participated in a panel to show off our leadership superpowers, and that was fun. So, yeah, that's all I have.

Thank you.

Other things of note for me, I appreciate the comments that have been made this evening. I did get an opportunity to help kick off the Washington Economic Development Association Conference that was held here in Kennewick. I got a chance to speak with Kat Brigham, who's the chairwoman of the Board of Trustees for the Umatilla Commission. Confederated Tribes of the Umatilla Indian Reservation, as well as our other mayors from the cities. The mayor from West Bristol would say the Quad Cities, but I would say the Tri-Cities still, to have that opportunity. And, you know, really focused on economic development and growth. It was really great to see that many people there. It was good to see our staff there, and I appreciate the efforts that go on with that. I also had an opportunity to attend the Joint Coliseum Advisory Committee in the last couple of weeks and was pleased to see the progress on the Convention Center. It's moving right along. When I was there, they were doing some touch-up paint as they try to blend the two halves of the building to make it really look like one building as they're going through. They're doing a great job over there. Excited to see that coming to fruition. I was also going to invite everybody to the National Night Out on Thursday. It starts at 530 okay I was gonna say five which would work good for me no I I don't know I figure it's five for me It is 5 o'clock. Okay, I got it right. All right, so 5 o'clock up at the Southridge Pavilion. And just really appreciate the opportunity and all the efforts that go into making that event go forward. It's a great opportunity for our community to come out and enjoy some time. There's a lot of great vendors, a lot of great activities that are going there and encourage people to come. And so with that, I hope the smoke starts to clear, and hopefully we get to see some cooler weather coming in here this September. And appreciate everybody's attendance here this evening. There's no further business on tonight's agenda. It is now 7-12 and the meeting is concluded.