Public Arts Board - Regular Meeting

Call to order the pre meeting for the February Park and Recreation Board meeting. Thank you all for being here. So Ashley is to just brought up the the, you know, the school. Has their bond oversight in their strategic their their I guess, long range planning committee is what it's called, meetings going on tonight as well. And so they she is a part of that.

She's part of the long range planning group, and so she's not able to be with us tonight. So we promised to bring her up to speed. Uh-oh. So she is not able anybody else that's not with us tonight. Think we have everybody Right? We have everybody else. So thank you for being here. I think our agenda is pretty straightforward this evening. And so we have a KDC matching grant application with Bear Peak running company. I don't see Mark here. Is it one of you or one of you representing his matching grant? So

Yeah. I invited him. He might have forgotten.

Do wanna text him and just see let's see if he's on his way and we could skip to another well, I think we is this the shade structure? Yes. So we I think we're pretty well familiar with what he's talking about.

Several of you are. I don't think all of you are. So

but we don't want to speak in his behalf. So Okay. I think what we'll do is jump to another item here and then let's see if he shows up. Okay. And so let's move to the construction updates.

Chase Oaks Playground shade. The material is supposed to arrive later this month, and then they'll do installation shortly after. So hoping by spring break, it is done. Then our, hike and bike trail off of Odinger, we were waiting for AT and T to relocate one portion that was probably this long. Still waiting? No. It's been moved, and the concrete's been poured. Now it's just setting. They're doing the inspection next week. So that project will wrap up pretty quickly. We have to make sure it meets all of the ADA requirements that were within the the set of plans.

So are we I know I asked this last time, but are we at a point where we can do ribbon cutting on that one?

We can.

I think that that's worth celebrating because we that that's an awesome connection now. We really have a huge, like Yeah. That that's tied in, that'd be a great win.

And we

could we could probably stage the the, you know, ribbon cutting coming out of the park going the other way. I don't know. We could do a lot with that.

We'll come up we'll come up with some ideas.

Do a really cool deal there. Okay. So I think that's worth celebrating.

Yep. 06:30.

Do you want it like

a separate event or could we do it as a like a night hike?

That's a super cool idea. I think that's a really neat idea. Anything, you know, staff throws something to get. I think I think we that's a really neat idea to tie

it to, you know To

get more people.

Establish events. To the

night hike. Yeah.

Love that idea. Okay. Love it. Love it. And and and I think what we need to do because, you know, one thing that was really great about that whole setup is the HOA was such a great you know, they were they were a collaborative group. You know, yes, there was some tough news with sprinkler systems and trees and things, but they worked with us. They

were Yeah.

They they didn't, you know, present a barrier. They weren't they weren't, you know, they they they came in with solutions and and and, they were true partner in the project. So,

you

know, that's worth celebrating. And so let's involve that, you know, and let's let's really make it a Okay. Something to celebrate. So

We'll get working on that.

And that that's that's you all concur with that? You you're all good with that?

Yeah. Yes.

Okay. Great. Awesome.

Then the last one, sports park, 91% complete. They're still working on the baseball four plex. They've got the synthetic turf down on three of the they've got them down on all four fields. They were putting in the sand filler today on the last the last field.

Is anybody else pitching themselves on that number? That's 91%. Awesome. It's like, wow.

Yeah. Nobody

more than

Cody. It's been a long two years or a year and a half.

It's been two years. We had ribbon cutting February two years ago.

Yeah. Amazing.

That was the that was that was groundbreaking.

They had

Oh, groundbreaking.

Yeah. Isn't that crazy?

Irrigation's done on three. They should be doing the other one this next week. They still had some pretty big equipment on there. That's basically the irrigation in the outfield. They were getting ready to do the sod where the synthetic meets the outfield because all that was tore up. So they're putting in new soil, and then they'll sod that. Final road reconstruction, they did the final paving from Soccer Parkway to Golden Triangle. We do an inspection next Tuesday morning. Once that passes, then we'll strike, and it's scheduled to strike on Friday. And the season starts on Saturday. So it's really yeah. I've I tried to get them to push this

the

painting was right

there. Is 80% rain.

No. The next weekend. Not this

The following weekend.

Yeah. The they'll strike on the twentieth. Season starts twenty first for for soccer.

Well, that's a good thing. Yeah. Yeah. Although you might lose time this weekend a little bit with the weather, but

The water feature pump house building, the exterior is complete. So they've started on the piers for the shade structure. So if you've been by there, you've just kinda seen the building and nothing else. They were waiting for that to get done before they started bringing in the the equipment to do all of all of the I

I got a question. Right across from the the the water feature, they've got a big round deal poured Yeah.

Like, what is that? That was a sample. So there's gonna be a

No. No. It's on the road. It's not it's across the street from

that Yeah.

In the grass.

The Yeah.

The the circle. Yeah. Yeah. So they were trying to decide brush strokes for how the plaza area Uh-huh. Would integrate with the actual splash pad.

Very cool.

And so that's what we were looking at. I think that was Monday morning.

Yeah. The

architect wanted to see different methods and then he chose the one he liked

be some kind of monument or

No. I don't

know why they put

it on that side.

I don't

know why. Top.

Yeah. You got a statue of me. Get a stick.

Pretty cool. Alright.

We were gonna try to surprise you, but Oh, no.

They've also started on the sidewalk extension from on the soccer side from c pad to, from c to d. They did tell me it will be poured by next week and be cleaned up. So by next Saturday for the kids to utilize.

It'll be really? It'll be done?

It's already it's formed right now. They just need to put the rebar in and pour it, and they said that'll happen next week. Wow. They might have to pump some water out first depending on how much rain we get. And then the the last thing there is the maintenance screen wall. I don't know if y'all familiar with this or not, but on the other side of the equestrian arena, they're building a maintenance screen wall for public works, and they're gonna start that month as

well. Settle on

whatever art was gonna go on that, or did we

No art at this time.

No art? Yeah.

Just ground cover and trees out in front.

Just landscaping.

The time being. Yeah. Just landscaping.

It's perfect.

Yeah. I kinda like that better.

I do. Yeah.

I do. Do. Sure.

And we've got April 25 for the ribbon cutting, nine to noon.

It went to nine to noon. Okay.

So everybody did everybody get to see those jerseys? Did you did you walk around? I was I know I was running into I'm sorry. I had a meeting right before this. So I ran in, so I was the last one to get to see. But those are super cool. Super fun. Sorry. No. They're super fun. Those are those are super fun. That's gonna be very exciting. So really neat. Okay. Yep.

Looking forward to it.

Yes. Very much so. Alright. Exciting updates. Thank you. Any questions about any of those updates? Okay. I will say thank you for these red shirts. Do they have any complaints from the peanut gallery for the color? I'm saying peanut gallery. That wasn't plural because I'm looking at one. Oh, sorry.

Yes. Thank you.

Are you okay with red?

Really have green red wart. I

literally spent an entire year listening to him complain about blue. I never said wart. You gotta wear the red one.

You didn't

say a word. You said about 800 words. I

feel like you should go put

it on just to

make sure.

No. I I I don't love that. These new members are very strong. It's good stuff. Okay. Speaking of that, actually, have your the KCAL did I have your name tags in my truck. I'm sorry. I ran in here the the new ones, but you guys spelled your last name wrong. My fault. And so they're making you a new one. But they redid yours, Peggy. Oh. And they have yours. So I will I'll get them to you as we leave this evening, but I will they're making the new one for you. You gotta we messed that one up.

But so it's a secondary name tag. So you got the kind of those formal gold ones that you have there that you can wear to a black tie event. And then then we have the plastic one that you can go out and wear, you know, if you're out there at a you know, when we're in the park or we're doing something that's a little more casual. So we have both, you know, as we aim to please here. Okay. Any other construction projects?

That's it. Alrighty.

Update from the parkour and subcommittees. Let me just let me go ahead and get one out of the way here that's been we've been fairly active with this week. We have we've been working very hard as you are aware on Tom, and I are working on the sports park user agreement and fee structures and tournament agreement and usage fees for park rental for for specific to the sports park, not the other pavilion rentals and those type of things. And you may have heard from other constituents because I know you're part of I think your husband's a coach. Right? Is he

He's one of

the coach. So there's a lot out there about a lot of this right now. And and and Cody and and and a number of us have been on several calls, countless hours, and and and, you know, I think many people have weighed in. And this has been you know, it's basically coming back around again, and it will be on the consented Consent agenda. Consent agenda on Tuesday.

So, you know, k s k y a, there's Keller Youth Association represents a number of the sports associations that are affiliated with the sports park. Football, baseball is huge out there. They have a they have a wreck and a select facet to what they do in baseball. And then softball, they have football, there's cheer, and and so they're they're big. That's a big big operation.

They also have other sports associations tied to them as well that that are not necessarily using sports park facilities. But it's k y is a big operation. Then you have KSA, which is a soccer, and then you have lacrosse, And then you have some other ancillary groups, but primarily those associations have separate user agreements. And and in what we have been working on for years now is is user agreements, fee structures, term agreements, and and those are all meant to work together. They're not meant to be taken and kind of looked at independent of one another.

They they they all have, you know, some dependency on the other, in that the, you know, the user agreement has sort of rules and regulations that tie to fee structures that say, okay. Because you have this maybe fee structure, you have to abide by these rules and regulations. At least that was the intent. That was the intent that was developed by our subcommittee and put forward first to staff, then to the Keller Development Corporation, and then on to council. And I think that as you, you know, as this has morphed over time, certain aspects of that have been considered and they've been considered in, you know, they they've been considered in in you know, by different groups.

They've been taking basically snippets of it as they apply to the different associations, and they've evaluated it basically, you know, as it applies to them. Maybe out of context, maybe not. Mhmm. But, you know, they've looked at it and then and then people have kind of reacted accordingly. So what the attempt I believe, and Cody correct me if I'm wrong, is the attempt at least on Tuesday would be to try to at least get it all assembled back together again and have, you know, maybe counsel adjudicate it once and for all as it was originally intended.

Albeit, you know, maybe in the eleventh hour or well beyond the eleventh hour because it should have, you know, been done, you know, before now. And because the associations are dependent upon us having these things, you know, baked in so they can get their seasons moving. And so to that end, you know, that has put the associations in a little bit of a bind, and and we acknowledge that. It's unfortunate. The intent by all parties is to get it right.

The intent by all parties is to try to do something that that, you know, will not that it can't be revisited, but something that can stand the test of time and and would serve people equitably no matter what sport they're in and no matter what association that they're in, which is a tough thing to do, to be honest with you. So without droning on any further, just letting you know that we the last two weeks have been been a lot of time and focused on this. A lot of effort, a lot of energy, and a lot of people have been involved in discussions. And I think Tuesday at the council meeting, some of these things will come to some resolution. So I intend to be there and to listen in on that and and hopefully, if if asked to contribute.

Because ultimately, at the end of the day, the decisions for these things are gonna be made by council. We can we put together, I think, a presentation that that clearly illustrates the recommendations that were made by our subcommittee and by our board. And so hopefully, whether we're there or not, those recommendations will stand on on their own. But I you know, we we will hopefully have the opportunity to be there to ask and to answer any questions that they might have or to provide any additional clarity if they request it. So anything you guys wanna add to that?

Wait. So that's our subcommittee report on the sports park. The next thing we had talked about last month is that we had the seniors senior center had the survey completed, and you had a a very good response. Mhmm. And you had a lot of information to unpack from the survey that was completed.

And from there, you had a subsequent meeting. Mhmm. And so why don't you guys tell us a little bit about Yep. What you talked about, what your thoughts were, what kinds of things that you were able to maybe take some action on, and what you've put in place for some possible future action. So who's who's taking the lead on that? Hey.

You want me to? Or

I'll get there.

Go ahead. Get you. Okay. Oh. From Mark?

Yeah. Go ahead. Yeah. Go ahead. Ahead.

My mine won't take quite as long

as yours.

So Sorry. But my husband's been more more involved there at times. More full of you're right. So we we met on the nineteenth at Keller Senior Activity Center. It was Cody, Michael, Nicole, Peggy, and myself. And after reviewing the comment section of the current survey, we kind of I I went through there and kinda counted up what people were talking about mostly. And there were 20 people wanting a balance class. For pickleball, it was twelve twelve comments. Longer hours were six comments. People against pickleball was five and nonresident versus resident was 11.

What I'm talking about there, there were some nonresidents that want to be able to schedule things when the residents get scheduled. And and I can see that residents should get the priority on this. So I'm not gonna go into that very much, but there was quite a discord as far as those two subjects.

I think

Resident Let's pause just for

a moment. Okay. Let's give a little more context. So so just so everybody fully understands, I think most people do at this point, but we have some new members. Residents get priority over non res for scheduling specific programs.

Correct. So residents get about two days in advance. Mhmm. A chance to sign up for any programs that we offer. So residents sign up on Tuesdays.

It starts at 08:30, and then that goes off what your Civic Rec account is. So wherever you pay your water bill to, essentially, determines if you're a Keller resident or if you're outside. So as a resident, you have the $20 fee for your membership for the year, and then you get to sign up on Tuesdays. As a nonresident, you have it's a $70 fee for the year, and you sign up on Thursdays. Where Thomas was talking a little bit about because we've become so popular, a lot of our programs are full by the time a nonresident can sign up, or there's maybe five or six.

So for example, balance was one of them, but also luncheons. Last month, when we had a luncheon sign up for this month. There are five spots left after residents signed up. So at 08:30 on Thursday, five nonresidents got it.

Out of out of how many total? A 112.

Okay. Let me

112 at 10:30?

Yeah. That was that 112 were enrolled. Can enroll into that one, Jen.

How many so okay. Let me try to get further clarity on it. Five spots available for how many potential people in nonresident that would want them?

Alright. As many as we have.

How many

You're looking right around 800.

Wow.

Now the Mhmm. The priority for residents was a direct directive from council.

I get that. Yeah. We've heard that, but I just I think it's, you know, I think it that the the clarity, I think it's critical around supply and demand for you too. Right? And and then, you know, you talked about the balance in class and, you know, there's this there's a perception of of the the usage and demand and demand on the space and what inequities there are on demand on the space. And so, you know, I think it's amazing to think that at the end of the day, lunch for and forget about the gym, just for lunch, we have five slots open for potentially 800 people.

869

of the residents.

And they pay a premium. They're nonresident number too. If

you look on the second page, it goes into the hours used and percentages used of the gym the gym. Of course, pickleball leads about 57, walking group. So it goes all the way down to set up between the programs. And there's so much setup to be done in all the rooms. In the gym, we actually have rec parks and rec personnel from other departments, like, works in the parks Mhmm. Come over there and help them take tables down, chairs down because it's so much to do with the few staff members that we have. So that's just a little breakdown of the gym use. So everybody would be interested to see that. The so Yes.

I'll pop in real fast. This is as of July. Yes. This has changed since then, though. Mhmm. Actually, it has changed.

Not a lot, but a

little bit more. Bounce gets another forty five minutes Yep. Or fifty minutes. Yeah. Pickleball has been up. I'm I'm shooting from the hip here. I forgot to look at this. It's, like, thirty minutes. And then basketball has gone down by one hour. So we've cut basketball off on Fridays, and that's where pickleball able to get the extra thirty minutes. The most labor intensive for setup is Pickleball? Most labor intensive is gonna be balance.

Yeah.

And that's where on Wednesday mornings, the parks guys come over and help us set up. Yeah. That's 70 chairs we have to put out before we open.

Okay.

So they're they can help us put those out.

So the the survey showed that of the people that took the survey, 4041% of members took a participated in some sort of a wellness class last year. So the following changes have been made to the to the schedule, which he adjusted some. Basketball, like you said, will be reduced, one hour per week due to low participation. Is that correct? That's still okay. Correct. That's still a number. Introduced two balance classes as of January January. Each balance class balance class will be thirty minutes in length and will be held back to back in the gym. Members may only participate in one.

Each class will accommodate 70 participants for a total of one forty. Staff will anticipate a waiting list. Staff still anticipate a waiting list for each class. How much so two or three on the waiting list?

Correct. Yeah. So, for yesterday, for example, for balance, we had 65 signed up for the first class, 70 signed up for the second class.

K.

70 is the max for

that. Yep.

Starting next week, we have 70 signed up and 70 for both classes, four on the wait

list. Wow.

How many nonresidents?

Would have to dig into that a

little bit.

So now that we have two classes, that opens it up.

Right. I just didn't know if it was like you said about the lunch Yeah. You know, where it's

That's

how it used to be. A handful. Yeah. But I didn't know how much opportunity we gained.

That gained quite a bit. I mean Okay. Before you were for balance, before we added the second class, for the most part, it was all residents. Yeah. Non residents would come or really anyone that didn't get in. It's it's a non resident resident. Anyone that didn't, they would sign up on the wait list and just wait in the hall. And we would check people off as they come in. If we have openings right as class starts, we would then start pulling people off that wait list. So that's how it would still run if we have a wait list, but now we we have a little more flexibility. It doesn't fill up within the first day anymore.

So if you're to say that 95% of your balance demand is being met now, though?

Good. Yeah. But

we I feel pretty confident with it. Now, you know, for next week we have 70, but then the following week right now, we still have spots open. We have 67

Well, that's two weeks.

And then 61.

Yeah. Weeks out.

We still have some time, but it's not filling. Yeah. Normally, the month would fill up within the first day prior

to that. If I'm a nonresident and I don't get I I don't get to sign up for any of the classes, What else is there? Is there?

So we do offer a lot of free things. Okay. So these are some of these classes are premium. You pay for them to get into them. Some of the classes like bounce are free. But we also offer games and activities that you consume, regular meals, special luncheons, or those have typically have pretty hefty wait list. And then you have social games, coffee talks, snack and chats. Those all are in there. It just kinda depends on what you're looking for. If you're coming here to sign up and you wanna you want to only do balance prior Mhmm.

Or circuit training, those would fill up and that you just weren't doing it. So we had a lot of people that it's therefore, a little bit especially when people are coming for balance classes or classes at all, we still tell them, you know, there is a chance you may not get it. We wanna be open with that. We want you here, but there's always that chance. Yeah. So we wanna make sure you're aware of it before you pay the $70, and you may not feel a benefit out of it. But if that's the case, we have all these other things available too.

Yeah. It's a pretty packed schedule. And Yeah. Oh, go ahead. No. No. So balanced class obviously was number one in the comments, and so they have added the balanced class. And that's gonna service a 140 people a week. And right now, there's no gonna be any other changes made to the schedule. It's pretty much due to staffing and schedule. But every quarter, they're gonna look at it and see what else we can add to to kinda help out.

So, okay. We'll open up for general questions. Go ahead, sir. I just it

strikes me that the first thing that we ought to do is celebrate the input from the survey and Mhmm. The popularity of that facility, A, and b, the gratitude to staff for providing programming that is is in demand. Mhmm. You've got a facility that where our problem is not underutilization. It's overutilization.

Mhmm. Yeah.

That's a that's a preferred problem in my mind. And so hats off to you, Michael, and to your staff. Or

I think it was definitely goes to the staff. They get small.

And I I read it through the comments section as well, and I would say that the preponderance of the of the input in the comments section was flattering Mhmm. To the Yeah.

To the program.

So Yeah. Attaboy.

Actually, we had an unsolicited email this week that went even further and paid some comp compliments to the staff which Yep. Was really really great. So you know, so you you guys are doing a very good job. So yeah. Alright. Any other questions related to the survey? So let me ask you this. So obviously, there are things beyond this initial, you know so your first response to the survey, first action item or action that you took was to make this accommodation for the balance lesson. That was a good one, and you've already seen results from it. You you you've got the proof that you've made an impact there.

Do you have, you know, kind of a what's next sort of action item plan, business plan? Hey. I you know, these survey results are good. Mhmm. You know, there are some you probably could put some more business analysis to this and say, if we did, you know, if we added some hours, we added this, we did an ROI analysis on, you know, recapture on private the premium events and and cost benefit analysis. Are are you looking at any of that?

So a lot of a lot of what you kinda said, we are we are at the direction and of counsel on a lot of this. So, you know, a big one in here, people wanted to see more hours. We did adjust our hours, but we adjusted our hours within what we already could do. If we wanna add hours or trips, day trips, so that staff go on or even extend hours out. It would require additional staff.

And right now, that it's just not gonna be in the cards with how we're running with the city. That would be a council directive. And then but for other activities and just our daily schedule or even classes that we see in there, we're already taking some of these ideas that people have said or if they have given outside the survey, and we have a running list that we continuously work off of for different programs. You know, this was someone said they wanna see a nutrition class. Well, we're trying to work with some nutritionists and see where we can plug these little one off classes in and see what the demand is and see what people are interested and wanting to do before we just jump two feet in.

We are pretty near impact with a lot of our schedule. Mhmm. So it's finding those little those little classes that we can fit in here and there, then we'll take that and run with it. This is gonna be more of a long term solution. It's not and, you know, there's some things that we could do immediately. We were feeling the result. We were feeling that pressure already. So for balance, it was something we could we could make accommodations with the instructors first. But a lot of this is gonna be long term and say, alright. You know, is this gonna be something that we can pursue? Is a I'm gonna just say nutrition class. Can we pursue it? Is there gonna be a demand for that? Are people gonna show up? Is it gonna be worth that instructor's time?

So we try to do a lot of those little testers before we we jump in.

You know, Michael, I suggest to you that I'd brief frame the way you started that particular part of your presentation that you operate at the advice of counsel. You I would suggest that you correct that to say that you operate based on the the counsel's response to your recommendations. So to the extent that as budget season approaches, there's opportunity to build a business case, the latter part of what you're talking about with the nutrition class. And our board would be more than happy to help you build a business case for at least the proposal of additional staffing or additional hours or whatever the ir that. Own.

Then

help you. Yep. And This is why I know we've been serving together to a long time because that's what I'm smiling about. Where I wanted to sort of shift that that, you know, thinking I agree a 100%. I think you you have the foundational elements here put forward in this survey where, you know, counsel's one of those you you could sit around and wait for them to decide they want you to go do this.

Or you can bring empirical evidence to them to compel them to make a decision. You know, put way the case out, lay the business case out. And I think you And and again, to Jay's point, which something that Park Board's eager to do, and we have a subcommittee ready and willing to to to do further analysis. We can help you with those business cases together and and and do those things. And, you know, and they do take time and but we're we're a working board. You know, we're one of those that wanna roll up our sleeves and get in there with you and get in together with Cody and staff. The rest of the staff and said, you know, let's let's put the business case together. What's the what you know, some ROI models. We do that, a lot of us professionally anyway. So we, you know, we'll help you.

But, you know, if more hours, more staff, FEE equivalent, what's the what you know, what does that look like? And then you put those cases in front of counsel. And and so I agree with Jay a 100% on that. Would love for, you know, love for love to hear more about what you would like to do, not what you wanna wait for them to tell you to do. And and so

Not always successful.

Yeah. We a may

brick wall.

But if you don't try, you don't

I got a few I got a few scars from those brick walls I've hit.

Think it was interesting that he told me, he said, like, day trips. They like doing day trips, but that takes a full time employee, which only leaves them a couple

there. Yeah.

So it makes it tough for them to do things like that.

And the bus only holds 14 people.

That's right.

Yeah. So if you only have one vehicle, you know, to take but we also talked about, you know, maybe there could be, like, a meetup opportunity at, like, the Vivo brothers. And then you could serve more people because if they Yep. Want to show up and

That's the brilliance of it right there. That's the brilliant that's the brilliance of the subcommittee idea where you've got a team now

Mhmm.

To work with you to start brainstorming this idea and put some pencil to paper and then put that together. And then we'll all come in behind them and you and and and flush this stuff out. So awesome. Great. Thank you. Any further questions?

I'm just I'm just going through the the position that you guys are in Mhmm. What you said was perfect. I mean, I'm I'm sitting here, you know, I'm not used to how you go about it. But can you go back to the council and say, you know, you we want to do this and and and how can we do it if you don't give us permission to be start moving in the direction that all of us wanna go?

I don't think you need permission to study it. You just need permit you need to make the business case for them to give you the permission to do it. So they'll do the biz make the business case and then we can

move forward.

And and each one of us now has a council member that puts us on the board. It's not a group anymore. And we can all lobby our own council member with the place you're in that you can help. So K. Things that we're not needed.

K. If you're really if good at that, your council member assigned council member resigns.

I'm gonna say the

we have a problem

there. Yeah. What's going on My goodness. Here we go.

Civil nuisance.

I don't think that's on the agenda. Any any other questions for senior subcommittee? Alright. So I'm gonna back up a moment here. So to item number one in the work session. Mark Murphy, owner of Bear Creek Running Company has joined us now. And item number one for discussion is a matching grant. Mark, if you wanna come up and take this seat right here in front of the computer, we won't ask you to

use a computer, but if you're just gonna appear

and sit in that open seat. If you don't know Mark this is Mark. You wanna introduce yourself?

I'm Mark. Mark Murphy. I'm Bear Creek Running Company.

So Mark is a wonderful member business member of our community and an incredible supporter of Park Run and great partner with Park Run. And, and so why don't you tell us a little bit about your KDC matching grant application?

So the matching grant application primarily comes out of we do park run every Saturday outside the Keller Point Dog Park. There's not really a home base for it to operate out of. It's just around. Yeah. And the idea of getting more participation and people hanging out to cheer on the other runners Yeah.

Is the was the first inclination. And second, we got the new playground that's kind of catty corner to it. But there's no, like, picnic table shade structure anywhere in that vicinity except for inside the dog park. So my idea was to put one that's kind of at the the closest end of that open space between the dog park and the parking lot where you can see the playground and you can see the dog park and provide a shade structure. It's up here.

Here we go. Oh, yeah.

Oh, there we go. Yep.

Somewhere in that area. We have to find the exact location.

We got a bid for 16 by 16 by nine feet pipe, play structure umbrella from the same company that did the playground, so it'll match the the shade structure will match the playground facility. And then with a concrete pad, yeah, the total comes to $18,006.47, and I'm offering half

to match. Yeah.

And, and it also the I mean, I'm in the park all the time. That's kinda what we do. There's runners. And,

like, in the summer,

I know there's summer camps, and a lot of the activities are in that little north parking lot off of there. And they don't really have any place. I mean, that would also function as like a a base for them. And then the yappy Yappy. Yappy hours. It'll be a

Is that big enough for the yappy hour spot? 16 by 16?

It's they usually have multiple vendors. So it'd be big enough for, like, parts and rec to set up there, and they usually have people set up on the play pad.

Yeah. In their own little vendor booths. Yeah.

It'd also be a home base possible with the farmer's market moving to Bear Creek Park and being pretty much year round. There's a lot of small people putting on small races, a 100 to a 120 people.

Yep. Yep. And They could use They can't

use Bear Creek Park anymore. And there's really no other place that has the parking for Yeah. If you got 40 cars coming and 100 people families running. So it'd offer, like, a at least a

So how many how many runs do you think we have in Keller here besides Thanksgiving and Christmas over here?

Oh, I do,

like,

five a year, just fun runs. Just fun. They're usually in the evening. They don't compete.

Excuse me?

April fools.

April fools marathon's coming up.

Yeah. We get a lot of people in

Everybody can do a April fools marathon. Only two months. No.

That's

And, actually, the proceeds from that, we've been giving to the senior center. Alright. So y'all get about 2,800, I think, last year.

Oh, from California.

Staff comments on this?

I've put it into a presentation because I fully anticipated this going to the next level, which is presented to KDC and then finally to city council. But, yeah, 16 by 16, stable pole in the middle. It'll have a six foot con six inch concrete pad around it that is a little bigger or a little it's 13 by 13 for the concrete pad.

The concrete pad is it the the pad is raised pad.

Six inch. I mean, it'll be a little bit above the grade. K. But it's mainly because that'll be in shade now.

Yep.

So it doesn't just become a mud pit.

And it's 50%?

It's up to counsel what ultimately it it KDC gets first blush. K yes. But, ultimately, counsel gets to determine how much. The original policy was up to half.

Wait. You're asking 50? Yeah. Yeah.

Yes. It's hard to see all this stuff.

So just to clarify, so you can go into KDC. KDC funds, you can ask for a 50% matching grant. So then Mark is saying that he is willing to to donate 50% and asking for a 50% match case. Would be the first hurdle to to to make that approval, and then it would go on to counsel to actually make the ultimate decision, you know, to ultimately just approve that. You know? So the discussion point right now is how does a park board feel about this amenity being added at that particular location, questions from board?

This is the first matching grant application we've had in several years. Yep. We've had several with KYA at the sports park for batting cages for the height extending the height of the new field too. We also had it with a local bicycle company that added a trail connection to the Kroger parking lot off the one that's on south on roof snow.

Pickleball. Pickleball lights. Pick a ball lights. Yes. Scouting scout elements and Yeah. Dog park. Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, it's exciting. Thank you, Mark, for bringing us forward. Questions? Anybody? Anybody? Would it

would it be outside policy to screen print on the on the shade structure, City of Keller logo, Bear Creek Running Company logo, Park Run logo.

I don't know about policy, but I did ask the vendor, and he no longer offers that service because he said it it easily distorts, and your logo never looks like you want it to look. And it doesn't take very long for that

to happen.

What about in the pole itself or a placard?

Yeah. Something like that would probably be

Oh, there you go.

Placard. Easier to do Onto the pole. Longer lasting.

Was like a brass inlaid

Yeah.

So you could do it on the concrete.

That'd be great. Oh, wow. Yeah. How is how about that? How about precedent for that?

I mean, we allow plaques when we do memorial trees, memorial benches. So that

Yeah.

I think it said

in there that it there's a precedent for it.

Yeah. I was entitled to a plaque. I'm gonna wait for the plaque.

I'm on phone.

I spend nine So just

around the room, general consensus park board in favor? Yes. All in favor?

Yes. Yes. Yes.

There could be one Yes. Yeah. Or two. Dedicated? Dedicated to it. Yeah. Every think about what I if I put

two or three or four picnic tables around 13 by 13, how much room do you have?

You're gonna run out of space. Really?

Well, that's like

Especially not the fire

fire by six feet. Yeah. I mean, if you go with a six foot or eight foot, but

It is what it is. I mean, look at the ceiling. There's this hole in the middle

It's been a long time.

Because it's less expensive. Correct. Otherwise, you've got

Four poles?

Three times the cost to have three more poles on the corners.

Yeah. Yeah. How about the Eagle Scout? Well, that's the other thing.

Big big table with a hole in the middle so it you know, has the space that

could be. It's always possible. You know, you could start talking to him. We've got I know there's I I have a line on some Eagle Scouts looking for projects, so I could possibly throw that

out there. And if we needed up the concrete pad mean, yeah. Agree with my budget

for that.

Okay. So I mean, that's

just the the quote we

that's the size we went with. If we wanna make it bigger, we can

do the math and figure out how much that's gonna be. We talked about well, maybe the concrete pad connecting to the trail, butt up to the trail. It really almost give you a bigger pad instead of putting it in the middle of that area or or see what I'm saying?

I think you want it close to the trail. As close as you can because of the trees.

Right. And then people getting to it

Yeah.

Not walking through the mud because it gets really muddy through there.

I don't know. They're probably

more just north of or south of there.

Okay. South of there?

Okay. Yeah. I figured if if this was approved, then we would take the next step.

Yeah. Tailing it out.

Snake it out. Gotcha. Okay.

Yeah. So the the numbers that you're working with now, preliminary numbers are from Shane?

Shane is the shade structure, and then we have a different company doing the concrete pad. K. They're a vendor that Public Works has a contract with.

Okay. I think it's a great idea. I think it adds to that area. You know? I I've seen I've been down to the dog park in the past, and you see a lot of people that, you know, stop and watch the dogs. I think it's like a nice, like, little break area too for getting some shade, not being up on the fence, you know, with the littles if they have a a stroller or whatever. So Yep.

And every Saturday morning at 08:00, you could come sit under that at a parkrunner.

And watch it. Watch it.

Or you can run. And volunteer.

And give it given the forecast if we can have it up by Saturday.

We can do that.

We could probably put an umbrella up. Any

other questions about this general feeling and consensus? Sounds like we have approval. But any other questions about it? Mark, thanks a lot for bringing this forward. Thank you for your support and contribution. Mark has also planted several trees out there that you may not be aware of. And to the extent that we can keep them alive Probably.

We're we're struggling with them.

But we Mark does a great deal for the city, and we appreciate everything you do.

So And if you buy your shoes anywhere else,

you're Yes.

You're cursed. They're customer services.

Thank you, Mark. Thanks, Mark.

Thank you

very much. Thank you. See you Saturday. Yep.

I see I'll

be at the Can you?

Halton stampedes.

I believe it won't be here. But I'll

be in the rain in Halton.

You know, we're supposed to.

Guess we won't see you. Rains harder over there. Oh, he does. Thank you. Okay. We'll continue on with the subcommittee reports, and I think you were gonna report on behalf of Johnson Road.

Yes. Johnson Road Playground, we have had a couple of meetings. Cody has generously donated his time to be able to help facilitate those. Basically, we did is we did first did an analysis of the community survey. It was consolidated into a five page document, which then we further consolidated into a one pager just to make it clear and concise.

So once we whittled that down, we basically that's what you have in front of you. We took the key points of what the survey results did, and then we put them in order of desire and community input. So the biggest thing with this playground is that it's different than the others, that it's not a standard pole, neon colored, rounded metal playground. And that it is more fort like and allows for multi age play and hide and seek. And it is the only park that we have that really draws an older crowd in addition to drawing a younger crowd.

So the primary focus of this playground is to not convert it like every other playground we have throughout the city of Keller to but to maintain its uniqueness in what we do. It looks like it's made with wood as opposed to it is plastic. But essentially, we want to keep the essence of that playground alive and then be able to update it so that we can mitigate some of the issues that we have with its age currently. So on here are kind of our our six primary things that we wanted to get through. We did some analysis on companies or vendors that can do it.

Originally, it's always been keep it in Keller. But in order to have something different, we need to utilize a different vendor to have a different outcome than the playgrounds we've put in currently. So we expanded our search and came up with five or six vendors and then prioritized to those. The one we currently have met with is called Leathers, and it's simply because they are the one that put in the original playground. So in order to maintain the authenticity of that, it felt reasonable to use a vendor that we've successfully had a playground last for twenty years and wanna continue that.

So we have reached out to them. Their structure is a little bit different in how they I wanna say administer because I'm in health care. How you deploy, offer their service to the community. And the reason they're a little bit different is because they typically don't use contractors to install them. It's called the community build. And they did that twenty years ago. And so it's we need community perspective as to what that realistically would look like. Can I say budget numbers?

Yeah.

Yeah. So they gave us a wide range and and basically, you can have community build all the way to contractor installation. But they're a design company. They're not a playground company. So they operate differently than a typical playground company. So in doing so, it would be outsourced contractors, a hybrid model, or a community build. If we did a community build, the range started about 350,000 for a replicate of what we're doing. And it went up about a 100,000 in that range. If we had a full contractor installation, high number is a million. Woah.

So the variance in the product outcome based on where we fall in that hybrid between 350 to a million is huge depending on community involvement. But when they say community involvement, that means their team would coordinate with a team of 10 to 15 key players we would have in Keller. Those 10 to 50 players then have to manage a team of a 150 people for six days. So it takes a 150 people, six days worth of man hours to be able to put up these playgrounds. They do it realistically, then we come into the issues of litigation liability. What does that look like? We have a community build. They didn't seem to think it was a problem. Obviously, we know we're in a much more litigious society now than we were twenty years ago. So what the outcome of that would be in terms of community involvement.

And the other big flaw that we see with that is the potential waning community investment as the days go on. Also, a typical trip work week only allocates two week two days on the weekend. So then you still have five more days of meeting community, but the majority of your community is gonna be back doing elsewhere. So then the burden falls on on Cody's team, is just unreasonable and unfair. And then the accrual of overtime hours and everything that would burden his team. It would be a gamble that we would have to do to help do this essentially effectively.

Man, pause you one second there.

Yeah. I talked fast.

My apologies. No. But I mean, if you if you truncate that, so say you get an overwhelming number of of volunteers, can you compress that time?

He didn't say that. I don't think that you could simply with

Just because you have to stage it?

Yeah. Don't think you can manage 500 Yeah. Coordinate in a in a in a way. And phases of the Exactly. So I don't think we could mitigate that timeline.

There was also a hybrid model that was Convolunteer. In the middle.

Yep. It might be

a good opportunity though for local businesses to do a volunteer day, you know Totally. Where they say, hey. On Tuesday, we're gonna send our crew Mhmm. To volunteer. We could get some, like, participation that way.

High school hours, things like that.

During the week during the work week, it's hard Mhmm. Right, to get volunteers, especially high school kids that maybe in the summer. But if you could, you know, or we have take out classes, you know, with high school kids that might be a good opportunity to put Yeah. I think we students

There's a on

a live project. Facility There's

that's a neighbor to the to that particular park that might have some individuals that

could offer some say Well,

put on schedule. Yeah.

Wood wood carpet. There you

go. Hey. We need it.

And some of the some of the nails from twenty years ago are

mine. Perfect.

So that was insight we needed. I'll dump the rest of this really fast so then you guys can percolate on all of it and then give feedback. And that being said, we can't do a direct quote from them. We Cody went to finance. Finance wants us to do a request for quote.

Mhmm.

But that they can't we can't go off of the community buy board

They're not

buy board. With them because they're not buy

board. No.

So But

if if we went with the contractor build, the way they design it is they design it to where somebody on my board could price it and do the installation. Oh, interesting. Yeah.

So it puts in a a weird area. So as of right now, we have to go the formal request for quote route, which Cody and his team will handle, put that up, and then we can do an analysis of the vendor potential that comes back thereafter if we're gonna pivot or go.

Yeah. We've done I've only done the one RFQ since I've been here and it was for the Northeast Park. And we got all the way to selection. Yep. And we were told this was being tabled. Yep. But it's a straightforward process. We would use the Northeast Park one as a blueprint, create the specs that we wanted to. We're looking for a designer for a unique playground that fits these modify fits these design parameters. We have to advertise it in the Star Telegram for two weeks. It's kinda antiquated, They but

still do that?

We still have to do that. And then we'll get responses from anybody and everybody. Yeah. And then I've made the recommendation that the subcommittee goes through and calls those and and ranks them. We have a a sheet that we can come up with for a full ranking and get together and discuss those and bring in one, two, three, four, five, however many we want to come in and and give a presentation on, what sets them apart and what kind of, vision they have for what we're looking to do.

Mike, can

you roll presentation to

Park Board or is there?

They can. I don't want

to throw a step in.

No. We never got to that point on the Northeast part. We got to where

We all look at it.

Five four or five of them came in to the subcommittee, and we were ready to make a recommendation. And we didn't get to take it any further with a full fledged presentation of the board and council.

Sounds like a user.

So we are at a a wait period until all of those come in, and the next step is analysis of these potential vendors.

Gotcha. That's good work. Good job.

Yep. That's what the board recommends. So, yeah, I think

I mean, how's the board feel about all that? Yeah. Keep going. Right?

Yeah. Yeah. I so. Awesome.

I will also say tremendous amounts to Ashley who's not here, but she is the team lead for sure that facilitates the vast majority of this coordinates the meetings and all the stuff making it happen. So I sit here to disseminate this information, but I will say all the kudos for that. Gotcha.

And how many survey responses? Because I saw so much activity on social media.

Twelve twelve seven. Yeah.

Yeah. It was amazing. That's awesome. My god.

What strikes me that if the response is to respond to the to the survey results from the community about what they want, we gotta leverage that when comes time to recruit the

There you go.

Yes. And sanitation. Yes.

Well, you know, and to that end, I think, you know, this this whole idea of the community building. I know that we're in a highly litigious society, and I know there's obstacles related to time frames, but we have so many GCs that live in this community. And and, you know, I think what we do is we put our aspirations forward and then figure out how we work around Yeah. Whatever obstacles we might present. You know, we'll we'll we'll we'll define the the goal and and, you know, what what our wish list is, and then we'll work the challenges from there.

But I think, you know, I I can think of three different contractors we could go to and say, you know, we we we have we have this community build thing and and I mean, they can throw crews at it. Yeah. You know? Yeah. And it's like so I I think that there's things like that that can be overcome. Mhmm. But we need to define the work.

And that's what the committee discussed because I said I wasn't here twenty years ago when this happened. There were peep there are people that were they've already reached out to the former chair to pick her brain on her recollection of how it went. Now we've got another person that can be interviewed. Were you here when when they did it? Yeah.

But I mean

I was gonna be

But, I mean, were you part of the process?

No. No.

I was part of the process. Alright. But I think Wasn't it done twice? Mhmm. I was part of the refresh.

Right. The refresh.

That was o six.

Original one was done. It was, like, a pouring down rain monsoon weather.

So I believe the original one was wood because it burned. It was. And then they retailed It wasn't that one. In o six.

But I'm really excited about

I think this is really this is really cool. Yeah. And to the point that Jay made about the fact that there was such an overwhelming response was obviously passion for the product. Sure. Yep. Mhmm. And so and then if you look at just sure, you know, you you know, the other thing that kind of excites me in at the end the day is you wanna throw obstacles out there.

It's not

to me in the label pool. It's the budget. You know? It's like, hey. And so we we really wanna work toward that lower number.

Yeah.

And and so, you know, it'd and and that's that's what compels me to try to get as creative as we possibly can to keep it in the lower range. And there's all kinds of reasons to to to get creative.

We'll just have run club in there.

You'd have to cross a lot of streets. So let let's do this. Any more about the Johnson Road?

No. Alright.

Let's close that issue then. And then what we'll do is finish the rest of the subcommittee reports next door. But I'd like to entertain a motion to close the pre session pre meeting. Motion. I have a motion and a second. Second.

I have a motion and

a second. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Sure. We'll see you next door. Call to order the February meeting of the Park and Recreation Board. First up on the agenda is persons to be heard. This is a time for the public to address the board on any subject.

However, the Texas Open Meetings Act prohibits the board from discussing issues which the public has not been given three business days notice. Issues raised may be referred to city staff for research and possible future action. Seeing that we have no persons to be heard, we'll move to consideration of approval of the January 8 minutes that were emailed to everyone on the board. So I'll entertain a motion to approve the minutes.

Motion to approve the minutes.

Motion, do I have a second? Second. I have a motion second. All in favor? Aye.

Any opposed? Minutes are approved. Next up on the agenda, we're gonna continue with, we're gonna carry over an item from the pre meeting, which is the continuation of the subcommittee reports. I think we ended up with the Johnson Road Subcommittee, which is a great report and exciting prospects there. So kudos, keep moving is think, able more the hike and bike, you guys are going to report get are you going to report next month or do you have anything you want to add for this month?

No, we'll see you in March.

So in March, we're going to dedicate a great deal of time for you guys next month. For the for the Northeast Park, you, Caitlin, nothing for this month, right? So we'll table that one. So I think that kind of covers all of our subcommittees unless anybody has anything else that we didn't cover. Alright. So that gets us through the subcommittee reports. We'll go back to the pre meeting agenda just to cover the last item, which is updates from park board members, anything from park board members that we didn't cover any news and notes?

I have two totally random things. Okay. The first one is the playground that was put in in the Keller Sports Park that's by the soccer field, the furthest one away. There's one slide that's already missing two screws. One is totally out. The other one, can pull out and push back. I just happened to see it yesterday. So fun fact, I took some pictures if anyone's interested. But just because

Send that to me.

I just remembered right now. So I took pictures and I will send it to you. Now I really have to because it's on the record. And the second was just kudos to our animal control team. We were on a walk right behind the dog park and there was a possum in the middle of that rock trail and it was injured. And so we called and I was my poor family was devastated to see like an injured animal like in the middle of the trail, But it only took the team twenty two minutes to get there to be able to respond, and I felt like that was super huge that they were able to do that that fast because I thought this poor animal was gonna suffer for hours. So fantastic work for them. And the guy that came was, like, so sweet and let the kids, like, watch in a happy way. It was not a traumatizing thing. So he was fantastic.

Any other updates from Park board members? I just will add since we're offering kudos, I think you guys managed your way through this ice and snow as well as anybody could be expecting you guys to do that. It was quite a fiasco and we seem to survive that well. And with the seem like we didn't have any catastrophes with water fountains or any of those type of we're seeing seeing in things the the

And few. And it's the new water fountains and sinks at Sports Park And Miracle Restroom and or the Fieldhouse or the Equestrian Restroom. And we turned off we we winterized everything. I'm sorry. We winterized everything, but the bottle filler and then the sinks themselves because the sink they have the automatic sensors.

The lines did not completely drain and so they did burst. And the contractor believes, one, they don't have a solution for they don't wanna just come in and replace it for it to do this again the next time it freezes. So they're looking at options of what can be done. And it might just be something that we have to winterize harder next time than we did this time. The issue with the Miracle restroom and the sinks is the the doors are the doors that enter are just the metal slats There and air could just get right through.

And it it really coming in from that side, the woman's restroom, it went straight in and and hit the sink pretty hard. So lessons learned. But besides that, no, we had several days that the senior center was not open. Town hall and library all the facilities were were virtually closed for a few days there, and then it was skeleton crews. Concentration was trying to get streets and building entrances de iced and available for the public.

So

to those issues at the sports park and it doesn't sound like they're necessarily warranty repairs, but more design issues. And we got to take corrective measures. Does that add to our budget? Are they insurance claims? What are they? How do we

They're not high enough to be insurance claims, so just coming from the contingency.

And are they causing delays at all?

No. They've I told them they need to be up and running by next Saturday, and they said they would be. So

And then when it comes to you know, where we know that we have slats in restroom doors for ventilation, natural ventilation, do we change our winterizing routine? Yeah.

We're gonna have to come up with something sturdier that we when we have events like this, we can block those doorways off completely because the restrooms will be closed. There's no reason for anyone to be in and do more insulation, maybe even extra space heater or something. Interesting.

Well, you know, seems like unintended consequences have been the theme for the last month. Other reasons, but okay. Well, any so outside of the sports park though, as far as just on trails and other areas, you guys preemptively shut down

We drained all the water fountains. We turned off the decorative fountains in the ponds and out front. The other park restrooms, we didn't have any issues that I'm aware of in those. Of course, we had turned off irrigation weeks before. I think that was pretty much it. Nothing damaging that we were informed of I or that mean, I

know staff had to make a lot of people had to make their way in in some pretty rough weather. And I know I had a conference call with you on the Monday of the storm and Zoom call and you were sitting in your office. I know you made your way in in some pretty rough weather. So I I think that the the the efforts of the staff here were they didn't go unnoticed and we appreciate everything that you guys did to keep this place going and keep people safe. And so thank you for

We appreciate this.

And then, you know, and we have a there's a new version of American Gothic picture if you haven't seen it yet. It's Keller's version of American Gothic featuring Jay and and Mark who was just in here and some others with shovels and things that went out and cleaned the trails. They actually tried to do their best to get Park Run up and going and clean some mice. And that ranks now as one of my favorite pictures of all time. Anyway, it's I think it was a team effort and and it was great.

And we appreciate all everything you guys do. It goes that was above and beyond. And so any other staff or any other park board announcements for in this section? If not, we'll move on. Okay. I did top the possum deal. That one. Okay, well, I will go to the next item on the agenda, which is staff announcements.

Okay. Alright. So I just got two staff announcements for KSAC. Get your dancing shoes on because we're gonna host Spring Fling on March 19. So we'd love for you all to come out and check it out. We're gonna have the backbeats band, some live music playing. It's gonna be from five to 7PM. So make sure you get those sneakers laced up tight. I wanna see you out there dancing. And then looking ahead in a couple months, but just kind of getting on everybody's radar, we have our spring craft show at Market.

That's going be on May 2. It's going be from 9AM to 3PM. It's free for anyone to come, unless you're a vendor, and you've to pay to come be a vendor. But if you're just general public, you can come on down and come check it out and get some cool stuff. That's all I got.

Thank you. Thank you, Michael.

And, yes, I do wanna thank Jay and members of Park Run. He called me that week. I don't remember what day it was, Wednesday or Thursday, and said, hey, the the do y'all clean the trails from ice? And I'm like, no. He goes, do you mind if I do? I'm like, not at all. And then I saw that that you had done that indeed and had a successful run. It looked very cold that morning.

30 Hardy souls showed up.

We do have our fishing for fun event. We had to cancel it back in January. It's gonna be on Saturday, February 21 at Bear Creek Park from nine to eleven. 9AM to 11AM. They're gonna be doing the stocking, believe on the eighteenth our mother son game nights coming up in March on the sixth and seventh.

Not sure where we stand on ticket sales for those yet, but that is a very popular event in the senior center gymnasium. You might have seen that there's some post on Facebook today about it. If you wanna get revenge on your kids, moms are welcome to to go to that event. That's all the announcements I had. Is

it Easter egg, I know we're we got another meeting here before we get into that. Before we get to the March meeting, but I know it's going to come up pretty quick. But so the the Easter egg drop is what day?

Let me look. It's on the front of this.

March 28. March 28.

Yep.

Okay. Yeah. That's March 28. Yeah.

Yeah. We'll have a we'll have a meeting before then. And I'm sure And if you need There'll be email from Mia coming out.

So how's Jordan doing? I mean, how's

Doing good. She stopped in this week. I had the baby Yes. With Oh, she had the baby. Yes. I'm terrible and don't know the sizes and of weight and length. Even though there was a there was a what do you call it? Authentist? Yeah. Everybody put their name and tried to guess who did. I don't even know who won that. I'm terrible. But yes, Jackson Cole.

Jackson Cole.

He's got strawberry blonde hair. He's got blue eyes. He's very cute, very tiny. But, yeah, I saw him the other day. So Great. There she said they're doing great. So she'll be out a little while longer and

Is she backed by the Easter event or is she

That's a good question. Reason why I

bring that up is if you need us to jump in and help, you know, because she's not around, just let us know.

I know Mia and Don are are picking up a lot of the slack and they'll get information out about volunteers and we'll definitely take you up on those offers.

Tom is just dying to wear this red shirt. He will.

So Yes.

So just let us know if we can get out there and do that because Okay. He he asked me on the way in here if he could do it.

Yeah. We do.

A baby size that we said?

We need a baby size.

We're a little Jackson. Great. So you have a new Park and Rec staff member in there then, Jackson. Alright. Yes. So that's great. Congratulations to to Jordan and her family. Alrighty. This is a quick one tonight, folks. We don't have anything else on the agenda. So at this point Hang on just

I got one question. And I guess I should ask Cody about the senior KSAC survey. When will it be released to the public?

I was asking the city manager that today. He had a lot on his plate.

Okay.

We didn't talk about how we would do it, but probably put it in a weekly report to council and then distribute it to the public. And those reports come out on Thursday. So one came out today. So probably next Thursday, we'll give them the heads up, the preview before we release it to everyone.

Okay. So, with that, if there's nothing else, I will entertain a motion to adjourn. Don't be shy.

On. I

a motion. Do I have a second? On.

Second.

I know you all just don't wanna leave, do you? So, we have a motion and a second. All in favor? Aye. Meeting is adjourned. We will see you in March.