Economic Development Board - Regular Meeting

June 16. Any questions, comments, corrections from the minutes?

No. I'll make a motion.

I second.

I have a motion and a second. All in favor, aye. Aye. Any opposed? That's approved. And then our second item, we're talking about Pier City assessments again. Anybody have anything to update us on from

I'm typing mine up. I had a really lengthy conversation with Flower Mound.

And how did that go?

It went really well. It went really well. He's interested in having reciprocal conversations. Sure. But they look they look just a little bit different because they are they have some really large projects going in because they have some highways and some corners and multimillion dollars. But they're looking about ten to fifteen years till it'll be completely grown out. But Ray was phenomenal. Very very informative. So I'm in the middle of typing that up.

Right now it's chicken scratch. Anything of note as far as things that we would consider?

No. Because they because, again, a lot of what they're focusing on are these these large multi use centers that are are on corners of intersecting highways. So that's a little bit hard for us. And he did say I thought it was very interesting. So the median house price up there is in the 6 upper 600,000. Rent up there is very high. The houses they're building right now are starting at 1.2. He said, so they're having a it's kind of the same thing we have. Their service industry are really the only jobs they have in Flower Mound, but the people that fill those jobs can't live in Flower Mound.

Yeah.

So Sounds familiar. Yeah. So so that's kinda I thought that was very interesting that that's that's a problem they're having as well, but that's kinda the direction it's gone up there. So they have a lot. And they are looking to bring in they're building some larger buildings that they're looking to bring in some tech, high end tech and stuff. But he said that is they don't have jobs in Flower Mill besides service industry right now at this time. So he said about 70% commute out is what he was he gave $70.30 roughly. They're or they're trying to get it to that. But yeah.

Do we know, like, our equivalent figure of that?

No. It's definitely something do we have anything on that? As far as, like, how many jobs

who work in here in Cali or something outside.

That'd be an interesting metric to to analyze is where our daytime population comes from, our daytime laborers come from, I guess, is would be the where where is there a way to track that at all?

We'll look into it.

I can while we're talking, I

can see if there's anything within the retail coach. I don't know if that's there, but I can check

and see.

Beth, did you say anything about prepandemic and post pandemic breakdown of

who's got A lot of their growth has been post. It was straight away before. It's been post.

Be interesting to see how that's changed since there's more work at home or hybrid than before.

And I I don't I he did they do a fair amount of surveys. Sounds like they do a lot of surveys.

Like residents.

Residents and and businesses. Sounds like they do a lot. So I'm working on Taipanayak because right now it's on a yellow. I was writing down. Thank you. So

Great. Thanks. We'll look forward to update. Anybody else have any updates on

I think I need to go grab another one from the list because Carmel, Indiana, they're, going through a change with, getting a new economic development person, so that's similar to your role. And Mhmm. Didn't really wanna talk until they get that position filled. So

And I can't get Danville, California to respond to public calls or emails.

I'm curious if the neighbor so neighboring city of Carmel is Zionsville, Indiana?

How do you know that?

That's where my parents

are from.

Oh, I was

like, that's impressive. He's great.

Well, look

at that.

That's really good. I'll check

them out. Actually, the in the city east, that's where my cousin got married a couple of years ago. That's the county seat in Zionsville probably matches a little more to Keller, where Carmel is a little more like a Southlake.

Mhmm. So,

the great little downtown.

Yeah. We'll have to

check Yeah.

They've got that major highway going through there,

which makes it a little different

than us. And that's where I think Zionsville kinda match a little there's there's highway on the South, but there's not in the middle of it Mhmm. Where, you know, Carmel has that that luxury. Although, highly recommend visiting just so you can learn how roundabouts work amazingly. They they've they've nailed that technology in Carmel. So but that's they're not willing to talk with that other way. Because you would go to the East, those cities are they almost look like the Collin County cities. They're much more evolved. Lots more going on where

I think

the root of this would say, look little little west.

Appreciate it.

Yeah. Cool.

Alright then. We have an economic update?

Yes. Okay. Before I pass out the economic development update, I wanted to give y'all an update from last month. We talked about kinda revamping our business guide that's on the website, and we had a lot of feedback, a lot of back and forth. So we have a little bit of, like, a structure of what we wanna do. I will tell you all though, transparency, we've been very consumed by open rewards in restaurant week. So we have a guide of what we wanna do with the guide, but this is gonna be yeah. This is gonna be a project

Kinda that conversation about having a conversation.

Exactly. A meeting about a meeting. So so we're gonna dive into this once Open Rewards is live and launched and good going. And so but

I checked that again today. Killer's still not listed. Do we know when that'll be?

Yes. So the way that it works, normally, they don't launch it until the day of. However, we told them we don't want for people to get on and be like, oh, it's not there. We're just never gonna come back. So they're doing something a little bit different with us, is so nice of them. They're gonna put Keller a week out. So let's check back tomorrow because by tomorrow it should be there. And they're gonna let us select Keller, but then everything's gonna be faded. So you can't get in there yet, but at least you can download it and feel good that you selected our city. So we'll check on it tomorrow just to make sure it's for, like, for sure there. But you can start, like, in it. Like, you could get in it for sure on July 28.

Okay.

Melanie, are you gonna push stuff to us for the chamber to push out? We talked about that. Mhmm.

Yeah. I have it on my calendar to talk to you about. Okay. Yeah. So But before we get into open rewards because that, I do definitely have a lot of information for you guys and I want it to be the last thing because I think there's gonna be discussion questions, and I want it to be kinda like the lasting thought that you have walking out of here. Just wanted to bring up the new business guide. So if you've been on our website, we have a ton of information, which is good and bad. Good in that if you go and click on everything, you're gonna learn a lot. But it could be a lot for a new business that's just trying to come to color. So some of the things we're gonna do, we need to update our flow chart.

We have a flow chart from a few years ago that we wanna figure out how to maybe link it to where the different steps, maybe you can click into some of it. I mean, it's a flow chart like a very basic one with like little bubbles and it's like, if yes, this way. If no, this way type thing. So we wanna refresh it, update it, make sure that it makes sense with the current process. So that's, like, the number one thing.

We also wanna highlight the need to contact the fire department early on even if you're going into an existing structure because we have found that that's where a lot of the hang up has been recently. So we wanna communicate that on there for sure. We are gonna try to remove old links. We found several of those old applications or outdated applications. There's a lot of duplication so that if something's there, you just find it in one spot instead of being able to find it in, like, three different spots.

So just really, like, simplifying. We also talked about possibly offering an option where it's really easy for somebody to go on the website and schedule a thirty minute session with economic development and community development. Just like a thirty minute, like, quick ask us questions, and it's not like a really official meeting like what we have right now with all of the departments. So that would be potentially something as well, a link to the UDC. When I was doing my Pier City research, when I was looking at, like, all the cities, I actually found something in Danville that they do that I really liked.

And when you go to their site selection site, which we have one of those, before it lets you look through any of the sites, a window literally pops up and basically says like, stop, call community development, basically. So I think that that's a really good reminder of don't sign a lease, don't make any real estate transactions until you've called the city. And so I think figuring out how to have a like a pop up window that says, here's the phone number, here's the email, call first before proceeding and finding a site. And then that's where economic development can really partner with prospects too and assist with helping with sites because a lot of times we know about sites that are not listed or that are coming. So that's something that I really like for Danville. So thanks for putting them on the list tag.

Thank you.

Good stuff. Okay. And then we would also wanna add basic nonresidential SPP process information. Paulina with community development has been working on this. So what she's been working on but simplifying it even more for, like, our economic development portion of the site. Also, adding state resources, Texas resources, things that maybe don't come through us, but it'd be good to to know. And then as well as workforce solutions for Tarrant County because a lot of outside businesses or just in general, they don't realize how much workforce solutions can do for them. It's a ton. So that's kind of like our our first go at it. And then as far as contacting businesses, obviously, you know, we talked about different people are having different experiences.

So we wanna interview lots of people so that we can really understand what's gonna be the process, what's gonna be most beneficial. So we're gonna look at going out and talking to like 10 to 12 existing businesses. Some of the ones that we thought of, Diviva would be a good one because they've been in business for many years but they also had an expansion. So they've had two different experiences. So I'd like to talk to them and kinda figure out how was it back when and then what was this process like and learn from that.

I'm also looking at some of the recent businesses that opened in Town Center. So like Sweetfrog, Blue Morpho, Superior Med Spa, something in Center Stage, maybe it's Italian Table who's kinda going through it right now, somebody there. In fact, the same owners opened Lone Star Cafe. So they might have two different experiences too. I don't know. Sami and Old Town Keller, not forgetting also somebody maybe at Davis And Bear Creek Parkway. So maybe, like, Aquario might be a good one to talk to. Somebody on South Main Street and somebody in, like, East Keller Parkway. So really trying to hit up somebody. And so if you have any ideas of specific businesses in these key areas, I'll send this list in the email tomorrow with the follow-up.

But that's where we are right now. And then we also discussed having a separate process with city council for the UDC amendments for Bulletown. That's something that's actually been on the docket for a while with community development. So that's something that they are gonna spearhead and kinda take through hopefully in the nearish future. But I know it sounds there. It's like wish list. Yeah. Any questions on that?

I love it. I like it.

It's a great update.

Thank you. Mhmm.

Okay. So now I'm gonna pass out lots of paper. I like, like, paper things. Mhmm. So I'm gonna pass it. Actually,

Okay.

So in June, we had six new businesses that opened. The first one is Cultivate Behavioral Management Corporation. They do therapy for autism at 8821 Davis Boulevard. The Kindred at 126 Taylor Street, they're the content creator space. And if you looked at the city website, there was a write up about them recently or the our social media.

Maverick Emerging Technologies LLC at 900 Katy Road, they do, like, safety equipment and kinda like industrial equipment. Summit Orthopedics of Texas, 1149 Killer Parkway, that's an orthopedic office. Infinity Nail and Head Spa at 1340 Main Street. The salon is beautiful. Yes. I already went and took my daughter and it was beautiful. Superior Med Spa and Wellness Center at 101 Town Center Lane. They had an awesome ribbon cutting with the chamber. They released doves, and it was fascinating. So definitely check them out.

So far, we've had 62 COs that have been issued through the June with 31 being new businesses. So that's exciting. And then as far as permit applications and just something of note, Elements Massage applied for their permit on July 1 at 1411 Killer Parkway. And I hope everybody heard that Miss Saigon had a regrand opening with a new family, new menu items. They're a local family. They're just wonderful, and they're gonna add even more to their menu. So definitely go check them out. Really, really great.

Are they

part of restaurant week?

No. They they're going through, you know. Yeah. New new business. But I would imagine that they they would participate next year. Okay. So now for where I really wanna get into. So restaurant week starts next Monday. So July 28 through August 3. We have 22 local restaurants participating.

You have the list here in this packet. And kinda if somebody asks you about it, feel free to take this and share it with them. If they have questions, they can call us, email us. Each restaurant is to feature a special menu item with discounted dish marked as restaurant week special. We are really just trying to encourage people to keep it in color, try a new restaurant, or, you know, extra support for their long time favorites. We've dropped off marketing materials with all of these restaurants. So we created table tents. We created posters, they're really, really great. Randy created them, they're awesome. You might see signs around town too.

We got bandit signs that we put in the ground. It's really dry out there. And so if you see one falling, I'd love it if you could help me, like, straighten it out because that was hard. Bev called me in the middle of me putting signs, and I was like, how

do you I'm that's what you get kids that need, green cord hours to do.

So next time. Next time, I would do that. A portion of the proceeds is gonna go towards the community storehouse and the Humane Society of North Texas and the businesses committed to that. So really what we're asking is for your help in spreading the word, making sure that people know if somebody asks you to lunch or dinner or to go get a sweet treat, encourage them to go to this list. And the exciting thing for anybody that goes is that if they then if they have downloaded the open rewards app.

So that's launching alongside Pillar Restaurant Week. So the first week, so the week of restaurant week, that's July 28 through August 3, people will get 10% cash back from those participating restaurants. So we are rewarding people that are going that first week to the restaurants from restaurant week with 10% cash back. Then when restaurant week is over, August 4 through September 8, we're opening it up to all restaurants, local retailers that produce sales tax, and family entertainment venues. So like the movie theater, monster mini golf.

And through September 8, people that submit those receipts will get 5% cash back. So something to kinda note, just for y'all to know the outside, they they don't really need to know. But, originally, we were only gonna restaurants, but city council did request that we include local retailers and family entertainment so that it's really truly, like, keep it in Keller for the types of things that maybe people leave Keller for. So, you know, maybe they never shopped at the amazing boutiques that we have in Old Town. And so that's an example of a business where you could get cash back. So it's really easy. Receipts get submitted. You take a picture. You upload it to the app. We've given them a list of all the businesses.

Or if you feel comfortable, you connect your credit card and then you it, like, links it up and you just, like, select the charge and and then Blue Dot, the company, will give the cash back. Each person can only get a total of a $100 back during the entire period. That way there's plenty of money for everyone. And as long as people submit their receipts by September 30, they will get their cash back. So if you know that you have something in there and do it by September 30 so you get your cash back. So after that, Blue Dot will not give you your cash back. What else?

Does it end there, or does it then start, like, as of October 1 for the following year through September 30, or is that it?

If there's any money left, we might look at maybe doing, you know, maybe, like, small business Saturday or something else if there's any of the money left.

But this

is not supposed to be a a perennial program. This is one time. Okay.

Yeah. And this is the first time we've done it, so I think it's a really big test.

And you said with this program, you can turn on and off. Like, you can it would wouldn't that when we discussed the program that you could use it for this week and then turn it off and then use it again, you know, six months from now without having a break to do the whole Yes.

So yeah. So the and then this one is July 28 through September 8. And and then September 8, turns off, but you can still redeem through September 30.

No. But I'm I mean, you if the city decides to do it

again We can do it again.

You can turn it on and off.

Yes. We'd have to pay. We'd have to pay more, but yes.

I've seen the feedback online when it was seeded on Facebook, and I saw some, like, really good positive feedback, and a couple people mentioned Southlake did it.

Yes. Southlake is. Southlake is.

So I

think there's, like, some, like, familiarity too, think, with some people that have done it with other towns too. So I thought that was kinda cool to see those comments.

Mhmm. Yeah.

I love

it. That's great.

And it's anyone. It's not just residents

of that town.

Yeah. 81. Yeah. Mhmm.

Is that

I'm sorry.

Go ahead. Thank you. Mister Byers. Go ahead.

What's Is the family entertainment business? That's, like, interesting construction. Is that, like, experiential, like, arcades and stuff? What is family entertainment?

Yeah. We looked at, like

Roster golf

and Yeah. That's what golf.

Jack axe throwing. Mhmm.

That kind Moving axes. Movie theater. Trying to think what else. And I was feel a little So

it's not it's still it's

not service providers. They're still we're talking about places people go to Ruby's.

Okay. Exactly. Yeah. That and then sales tax everywhere. Okay. Perfect.

So remind me again. The 10%, is it on the entire bill?

Mhmm. K.

Yeah. The entire bill. Up to a $100. So you spent a thousand. Mhmm.

And it's a month Yeah.

Per transaction, it's $50, but overall, it's a 100. So, really, each person can get a 100.

K. And each person, not each household?

Uh-huh. Yeah. As long as you have an iPhone with an with the app. So it could be, you know, you, your spouse, could have separate ones.

K. And they will know if that they would prevent receipt duplication. Obviously, they have the whole thing for that, I'm sure. Yeah.

They they check every receipt. And if somebody were to submit something that maybe we accidentally left off the list or something, we will get an email saying, hey. Somebody's trying to submit for this business. Do you accept? And so then we'd be able to say yes, no. Something that counsel definitely you know, they asked us to leave out the grocery stores.

Big boxes. Big boxes.

So, you know, like, Kohl's, Michael's, Home Depot, Lowe's. We did remove them, gas stations, and and, obviously, gas stations. But anyway

That event video on on Olive Street.

So that's

that's definitely a big box thing.

Yeah. So that's that's what we have so far. I'm trying to think if there's anything else I wanna communicate to y'all. We're gonna we're gonna drop off flyers at key sites across Keller. And, yeah, just tell everybody because we want people to get cash back and for this to be really successful.

So on the on the app, when you go into Teller and it's after August I think you said September, and it's can put the receipts in up till September 30, but the program kicks ends on August 8?

Correct.

Right.

Oh, September 8.

September 8. September 8. Yeah.

10 goes just during restaurant break. It's 5% to

5% until September 8. Is that right?

Yes. Okay.

You ordered it.

Sorry. Y'all are, like, giving me lots

of dates. This is a really fun fun test.

I just wondered if there if in the app, it communicates to you.

Yeah. It says Melanie looked it up earlier with another city. So when you log on, so that first week, it's gonna say it's only gonna give you the option for those 22 restaurants that are in in the Keller restaurant week, and it says, like, 10% cash back in like a little window. And then they know who knows August 4. It's the business list that we sent them with the rest of the businesses and then it will say like 5% cash back. And then it does the math for you. But obviously, Melanie and I are gonna be looking at it like all day every day just to make sure it's all good.

And they have the option for push notifications and things like that.

So we would wanna send some of those out too.

Mhmm. Yeah. We'll send reminders of reading in your cache. Yeah.

Or that is like a

dumb dumb

or something

that's just Yeah.

Yeah. That's a that's a great idea. Yes. Yep.

And it does a thing kinda like Venmo where it it lists although Venmo gives names, I don't like that. But this one just said someone used it at this restaurant or whatever. So the more we use Keller restaurants, it shows up on more people's phones.

Oh, there's like a feed?

Yeah. Yeah. It's a you look look down toward the bottom and it starts telling you who used it where.

Oh, okay. Oh, it doesn't say who. Just says

But it doesn't say who. Like Venmo says

Which is money or money.

Babysitter. Just Yeah. Or, you know, whatever.

I don't want anybody judging me if I go to phone the box seven times that week.

Oh, yeah.

Or five in the box according to the Five

in box.

I wanna check that.

It's four in the box.

Yeah. What is

is it on here?

Is this Yeah.

Have a typo

from you. Oh, I'm sorry.

So the the the

It says it published. Percentage that comes back given the promotion cash.

That's a typo.

Yep. Yeah. It's not like credits to use for the future or

something? No.

Okay. And you don't have to spend it by a certain date?

No. You just have to Claim. Yeah.

Claim. Right. Okay.

So then you can get it Venmo. I think there's PayPal. Oh. And then also you could get a check. For somebody that's like, I don't want I don't do any of those things, you can get a written mail check. Cool. Okay.

Yeah. You just you just claim the money and you've got the cash. So

So how do we know if this is successful or not? Like, obviously, it's not gonna be a financial metric, but is it gonna be like if we use

When we say uncle. But

Yeah. Right. Yeah. If it if it overwhelms us, it's a success.

Yeah. I think we'll be keeping track. And then also based on that, we talked about if we got halfway through and the money's not we're gonna push more marketing, we're gonna print more flyers, we're gonna go talk to more people.

It's So much indicated that from Blue Dot, there's a lot of metrics they give back to the city to let us know the people that used it, where it was used, how often it was used, all of that stuff.

I think you'll find this to be really successful. We did a shop local campaign over the holidays in which people had to actually turn in stuff and we got $22,000 plus over $22,000 in these $100 cards back. So I think you'll see once you get through day two and you get people post on Namely or whatever, you'll you'll see people.

And we were shocked

that we got you.

We don't get any money back if it's not spent by Blue Dot, if it's not issued by them. Right?

No. We get the money back.

Yeah. Oh,

we do? Mhmm.

Oh, yeah. We we're the ones that submit the money to them to give it to people.

Oh, it's an as you go thing.

Well, no.

We we

We have the 50 k.

Right. We deposit that Right. With them. Yeah.

Yeah. That's what I'm asking about.

That's what I mean. Okay. Yeah. So either way okay. So either way, Keller will get the benefit of this. Either through its citizens or through its treasury. Okay.

Yeah. Well, my next my neighbors are having their kitchen redone, so I'm sure they'll be out of all these places. Good.

Because they have no kitchen. Yeah. I wanted to have some kind of contest to see if you if people would go to all 22 and get something special.

That sounds like a good time.

The next next year will do that, but I keep throwing ideas out.

You're gonna add away the charts. Right? You're gonna be the one you get all 22?

They're all

28?

Yeah. Yes.

In seven days? That's you're eating four times a day.

Seven days. Yeah. That's

but you know, some of the more dessert places, so progressive meals.

I've already I've already got the plan going up, you know, where you eat and then where you grab a little dessert from and then where you got

it mapped out.

You're extra discount for wearing our green tag.

That that would be good too. Yeah.

Yeah. That would be good.

Or your tag green, aren't

you? Guess

You see what I did?

If anything, we should be paying more. That's

right. We're kicking back in there. It's it's a tale to give it to other people. Yeah. Anything else? Thank you. Great. Perfect. Awesome.

Thanks. Sarah, do you have something? I did. Ashley had asked

a question before the meeting about the board reviewing SUPs in the past. I went through all economic development board agendas that I can get out of our system, which is about eight years, and there's no SUV reviews by the board. There was a twenty twenty three facade improvement that you applied for and recused yourself from in, again, April 2023, but I can't find any precedent where the board was reviewing SUVs.

I could've swore we get SUVs.

I know that you've recused yourself.

Yeah. I did recuse myself. So if I recuse myself, I will only recuse once. So it must have been the facade grant and not the SUV. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

That's what would have come through here is

the facade.

Yeah. Maybe any of the grants stuff.

SUPs before. That's so

I know we've talked about them.

Maybe that's what it was.

It does sound familiar. Maybe it got voted on.

And I know it was noted in the presentation for the facade grant. So maybe that.

Yeah. I mean, at one point, we're doing a bunch of facade grants. I think it was last year. We're doing

a facade grant. Yeah. 2023. Because when I first came on, we had, one meeting that we had, like, four facade grants.

Like, we had increased,

yeah, the the pool. Mhmm.

That makes sense.

Good job. Thank you. Yeah.

What is are we doing those anymore?

Yes. That's good. We should have two come through next month. Yeah.

I thought we were in tax future state already.

And those are reset every year as far as the budget. Right? Mhmm. Yes. So because there's a couple people that were asking that I'm gonna refer in. And then for that life safety thing that you mentioned, what if it's a new building? No? Just Oh, preexisting buildings? Okay.

Yeah. It's

Updates and I'm

moving my head down here, Anna.

So, ideally, if you're building a new building,

you should be building You should be designing and building to code.

Okay.

Whereas, the life safety grant was designed to try and bring existing structures up to the current life life safety code and help out those businesses that are wanting to move into those structures.

Okay. There's a a bakery coffee shop coming, but they have to build the building.

So In

Yeah. In Old Old Mhmm. Yeah. So that'll be exciting. Yeah. So just curious about just information. So I'll keep that in mind though.

Here. I'll send the link to the application in the tomorrow.

Would like, Stacy Stacy? Yes. Because we'd love

for more people to apply. It's a great great application.

Is it similar to the facade grant process? Like, far as, like, what are what are the funds? Like, do you have to match, or is it the

same as how the flat ground works? It's on there it's I think it's actually up to 50 k Yeah. Potentially. I don't wanna misspeak. But That's correct. I'll send you I'll send you guys application. Truly, people could really benefit from it. So if somebody is remodeling or, you know, change of business, ownership, or whatnot, I mean, there's a lot of a lot of opportunity here, especially with those things that are really expensive and they're mandatory many times. Okay. Yeah. I

had one other question. It's kind of more of a topic. I'm not sure if it's an agenda item. But as we were looking at these different cities and looking at kind of structure of Keller, one thing occurred to me is that we have a lot of backyards, lots of upscale homes. And so this idea of not in my backyard is something that we're

going to

be continually confronted against. And I've I'm just really curious about maybe this is more of a planning and zoning thing. Like, what sort of things have Keller been considering for, like, mixed use projects and kind of, like, long term planning and stuff that's gonna be not just like a a single entity on a single lot, but now that we're really starting to get constrained, we

might have

to get pretty creative and thinking about mixed use on some of these urban infill type lots where we might have to do something that's more of a cross business kind of collaboration. But I don't know if you guys have been investigating that or if that's come up much.

You know, there's very little land left. I know. But the little bit that's left, a lot of it is North Keller, Keller, so North Main Street. And there's a couple of different potential developments that could happen there. When we're talking to some of these landowners, a a lot of them are looking to do exactly that, but we have to be so strategic to make sure it's well, the acreage really matters a lot, you know, which is really tricky because sometimes people think we're gonna bring all these things to five acres, and five acres is really not that much when you think about it. Yeah. Parking. Yeah. Parking is like the number one thing. So we're definitely in conversations almost daily about that exact thing.

A good example of something that we're very much spending a lot of time thinking and talking through is the development or, you know, future development with Joe McCombs next to Sunnethe Springs. And so he he's the one that owns Sunnethe Springs, the, you know, water bottling company water company. And he owns the property where the former Shannon Brewery is. And he's done an amazing job of keeping that up. He's kept all the utilities where if somebody were to want to go in there, it's gonna be a pretty smooth process for them.

But like his goal is definitely kind of like that mixed use where it's maybe restaurants and a community gathering space and a really great brewery where there's, you know, there's an amazing facility already. And so kind of making exactly that right there. And I know Joe's very serious about it. So we are looking at projects like that. The biggest hurdle is the the acreage.

Because otherwise, you're kinda looking at redevelopment, which would be very tricky given what we have here so far. But it's definitely top of mind. A lot of the, you know, things we look at, people we meet with, conferences we attend, so much of what the future is is mixed use. Thanks for sending that article, by the way.

Yeah. Especially, yeah, especially for us

here in our situations. Yeah. Mhmm.

Does y'all do have anything to add on that?

Just that, I mean, mixed use to a lot of folks implies a residential component. And a lot of times, that's the biggest challenge in a community like Keller. There's there's very little appetite for any built to rent type product. Owner occupied is obviously more attractive in Keller, but even that is a challenge. And staff, you know, I think has a pretty good read right now on our current council and community.

And so, you know, when we we get folks that come in looking for everything from multifamily to, you know, something that has more of a commercial component. We really try to to stress to them like, come with a LOI in hand for your commercials. Don't try to come in and just sell the residential. And we'll we'll tell the story of center stage right or wrong. You know, it's portrayed as a bait and switch in the community.

Those aren't my words. That's, you know, Google center stage on anywhere and you'll find at least a few Facebook comments about that. And, so we like to make sure applicants are cognizant of sort of sort of the concerns in the community about that mixed use. And that it needs to be really purposeful and well thought out. Lots of communication not just with staff, but elected leaders and the surrounding property owners. Whether those are single family homes or business businesses or whatever. So I think it's that residential portion of the mixed use that is like Which

is usually what they want to do first. Right.

I was gonna say that was the add on. I was gonna say it's what we it it's also that timing of we wanna see the commercial and not the residential, and usually the projects often with the residential first and the commercial is a comes off as a afterthought, but not as committed as the residential side.

But it's

I mean, it's revenue driven.

Yeah. Yeah. It's

what's the shortest distance between development and return on investment.

So Yep.

I appreciate the context. Yeah.

Alright. Anything else? Then I'll entertain a motion to adjourn. So moved. Second. Got a second. We're adjourned. Thank you.