Planning and Zoning Commission - Regular Meeting

All right. Good evening everyone. A little after seven. We'll go ahead and get started. Like to call the June 10th, 2025 planning and zoning commission meeting here in Jupiter to order. Staff, would you please call the role? Chair Kevin Kern here. Commissioner Michael Cassatley here. Commissioner Beth Kelso here. Commissioner David Thompson here. Commissioner Karen Vincent. Commissioner Paul Keenan here. Commissioner Cynthia Blum here. Thank you. Thank you. Uh now that we've established a quorum, if anyone would like to speak before the commission, please submit a green card to the secretary up here. Speakers will have three minutes to express their comments. Next on the agenda is the election of officers. Uh would anyone like to make a motion to elect a new vice chair? I'll nominate Beth Kelsa. Do we have a second? I'll second that. All those in favor? I. Any nays? Motion carries unanimously. Thank you, Commissioner Kelso. Vice Chair Kelzo. Next are the citizen comments unrelated to agenda items. The board will not discuss these these items this evening. Any issues will be noted by staff for follow-up as appropriate. Uh you do need to fill out a comment card if you haven't already done so. And you have three minutes to speak. Staff, are there any comment cards from the public or are there any members of the public who would like to speak? Yes. Um, if I can have Barbara Taly, if you can step to the podium and have three minutes to express your comment.

Good evening. My name is Barb Taly. I live at 208 Diamonte Way. Our um, PUD is known as VI Villa Diamonte. I received a code violation notice uh last week regarding our height of our hedges stating that we were fronting old Jupiter Beach Road. My property is um behind a um formal open green space in V Bill Villa Diamonte and we do not abut up against Old Jupiter Beach Road. Along Old Jupiter Beach Road there is a 4 foot high hedge. Um my property fronts um Diamonte Way and thus the shrubs along my frontal property are 4 feet. The questionable area is around my side where there's a side entrance, not a front entrance where it abuts to my backyard where we have a swimming pool and those hedges are 6 and 1/2 ft. Um we have a board member who is contesting the um side front and it allows us privacy in our backyard. We have submitted all the information to um the code violation and I believe it's been submitted to you all at zoning and planning. And I'm asking you to review the information showing that Kennedy did request that we are facing Diamonte Way, not facing Old Jupiter Beach. I submitted photographs along the street showing that the residents across the street have full frontal closure between trees and shrubs to their yards. There is one that has a six-foot fence on their front property, which we do not. Um, we are not obstructing line of sight for uh police

and medical personnel to drive down um Old Jupiter Beach Road. So, I just ask that you look at the information that um my husband and I submitted for both 10 uh 111 Diamonte Way and 208 Diamonte Way where we reside and rule in our favor where privacy in our backyard with the 8 foot and below hedge as required for back and side yards as opposed to the 4 foot in the front yard. Thank you for your time. You Thank you. So, town staff will follow up with you on that. Are there any other speakers? No. Thank you. So, the next item is minutes from the May 13th, 2025 meeting. Are there any changes to the meeting minutes? And if not, may I have a motion to approve? I saw a motion. Commissioner Kelso, do we have a second? Second. Commissioner Cassatley second. All those in favor? I. Any nays? Motion carries unanimously. Planning and zoning meeting minutes are approved. Onto the regular order of business. Uh staffer, are there any changes to the agenda for this evening? No. Uh we don't have any changes. And just for the record, I want to note that Miss Vincent is present. Slightly late, but here. All right. Thank you, Commissioner Vincent. So now uh let's have the secretary please swear in the witnesses. This is for applicants and staff who will be providing testimony this evening does not include members of the public making comments. Please stand and raise your right hand. Do you solemnly swear under the penalties of perjury that the testimony you're about to give in this matter is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? Thank you. You can be seated.

Thank you. On to new business. Next item on the agenda is the Smash HQ special exception application. This is quite judicial. Are there any exparte disclosures? Let's start with Commissioner Blum. Commissioner Kelso. I went by the site. Commissioner Cassatley. The same. I drove by the site. I drove by the site and spoke with staff. Commissioner Thompson, I've driven by the site. Commissioner Vincent, I drove by the site. And Commissioner Kenan, and uh just as a reminder, I think does everyone vote this evening? Everybody here? Okay. So, all the commissioners this evening, there's no alternates. Everyone will vote. All right. Um staff or I'm sorry applicant, could you please give us your presentation? Thanks. Good evening. For the record, Alec Dickerson with 2GO here on behalf of the property owner Smash HQ LLC. Tonight's request is for site plan amendment and special exception to designate 5,9 square ft of existing general industrial use to business office use. This only affects unit 12 which is in building two and we are not proposing any additional square feet to be added to the buildings. Special exceptions require for office use in 2000 in excess of 2500 square feet in the I1 zoning district. And this office will be used for the Smash Golf headquarters. Here's the project location at the intersection of Jupiter Park Drive and Jupiter Park Circle. It's located in the Jupiter Park of Commerce at 1201 1251 Jupiter Park

Drive and as stated consists of two separate buildings. Um, some site history. In 2001, the site was initially developed. In 2018, it was sold to the current owners. And in 2019, there was a site plan amendment that went through administratively to add mezzanine spaces as well as um condo the facility. A little bit about the Smash Golf Club. It's under the Live brand whose mission is to inspire fans and players to embrace their full potential. Believes that each challenge is an opportunity to rise higher and create a lasting impact. Scope of the proposed improvements consists of um the office usees that will support the administrative arm that furthers the smash team in the brand. Small number of employees on site to coordinate and plan meetings as well as golf tournament preparation which consists of equipment organizing and uniforms. There will be a golf simulator/putting green which will be for private use only. Here's the uh proposed use designation plan, which you can see kind of in the beige is unit 12. And essentially all we're proposing is to switch that from general industrial to proposed office use. General site data is a 2.2 acre property. Uh land use is industrial. Zoning is I1. It is a part of the bioscience research protection overlay. has a total existing building area of 40,94 square feet. Uh we have 19,334 square ft of office use and 21,570 ft of general industrial use. Um 120

spaces required. The site currently contains 130 spaces. Special exception criteria. Um the special exception request process is required for anything over 2,500 square ft for business office. Um as such uh it's important to note that business office is considered a use by right if it is under 2500 ft. There's minimal impact to the surrounding uses as the site is already developed and this is considered just a use designation at an existing facility. We did have a traffic uh statement prepared and we submitted it to Palm Beach County and did receive um TPS approval and that's the letter from the county right there. Um minimal employees and staff, it will have less than 10 employees on the site. Um so it's not expected to be a detriment to the surrounding properties. industrial versus office analysis. Um, in the future land use element policy 1.13 states that office uses can be allowed as long as the industrial predominance remains. So what we did is we we ran a few analyses basically on the property on the overall Jupiter Park of commerce as well as the entirety of the industrial land in the town. and we concluded that the predominance of industrial will remain. So as far as the 1201 and 1251 Jupiter Park Drive analysis, uh primary industrial use is 52.7% of the development while additional compatible uses um will be 47.3%. Um so yes the industrial is maintained for the site and when we looked at the um Jupiter

park of commerce and the overall town of Jupiter for the Jupiter park of commerce the primary industrial is 71.9% of the center and 28.1% of compatible uses in the town of Jupiter total um we're right at 51.9 of primary induction ial and 48.1 of additional compatible uses. So as mentioned the industrial predominance remains um through all facets of what we looked at when we submitted this application. So in closing the special exception request to designate 519 square feet of existing general industrial use to business office which does not add any additional square footage to the center. Um staff found application consistent with the comprehensive plan and zoning code. We do uh have master POA approval to submit this application and we reviewed the conditions of approval. Uh we don't take any issues with them. We did speak with the POA and the applicant and the POA will work to resolve the property landscaping. And with that, um, I'll turn it over to staff and we'll be available for any questions. Thank you, staff. Good evening. For the record, Thatcher Hart, Planning and Zoning Department. Good to see everyone. Uh tonight's application is for a special exception use uh for Smash HQ, which is to convert 5,19 square ft from a contractor's office, which included warehouse to office uh inside an industrial I1 district. Uh back in 2010, policy 1.3.13 as uh the applicant mentioned for the

future land use element of the comprehensive plan uh was added um to the indust for the industrial predominance uh to add as a criteria to provide flexibility and clarify that other uses are permitted within the industrial district as long as the uh predominance use type is remains industrial. Uh later that same year in 2010, the town code was amended to require a special exception within the industrial zoning districts uh for office uses that we that were over 2500 square ft. And so that's why that's here tonight. Uh that requires a uh town council approval uh for that as a special exception. Uh table four on page nine of your packets that you guys have in front of you uh outlines the calculations for the impacts of the use change uh as well as the overall industrial predominances for both the site Jupiter Park of Commerce and townwide industrial use calculations as well. uh staff reviewed and determined that the application is compliant with policy 1.3.13 uh as well as you can see in your staff reports. Uh in addition, upon review, staff determined that the application satisfies all the minimum special exception criteria. Uh however, we do have one condition uh that you heard and saw in your packets related to the landscaping on the property. uh as a part of the standard reprocess, staff conducts landscape inspections on any property that comes before us uh and found that some of the landscaping is missing from the approved plan that we have on record for the site. Uh and you'll see that proposed condition within exhibit one. Uh that prior to the development permits or within 60 days of the site plan approval, whichever occurs first, the applicant shall plant the missing vegetation as identified within your attachment C. So, so with that, we'll take any questions you have. Thank

you. So, um, does the commission have questions for the applicant or staff? And let's start with Commissioner Keenan. One or two questions for the applicant. Could you tell me how many full-time and part-time employees would be engaged at this site? Based on information provided to us, it is expected or anticipated to be about four just four four employees. Are they full-time or part-time or fulltime? And do you anticipate uh hosting any functions at this location? Um not at this moment. It has not been brought to our attention that any functions will be held at this location. No further questions. Thanks, Commissioner Benson. Thank you for asking two of my questions. Um, is there going to be to add on to what he said? You said four employees and no functions. What kind of expected daily traffic? Like is there going to be um clients in and out? And if so, what is the expected traffic? Um the the expected traffic would be minimal. Um they will have meetings. Um I have not been provided a schedule of those meetings, but I know as tournament preparation ramps up, they they have to meet with different vendors or organizers um throughout the day, but it won't be anything significant over what's accounted for in the traffic statement. Okay. I was just wondering about the amount of traffic that it would put in that area. Um, based on the traffic report that we

had done, it's supposedly um going to be minimal based on the office use and the nature of the business is not going to demand that much trips on the road. Okay. Thank you. No more questions. Thanks, Commissioner Thompson. No questions at this time. Commissioner Cassadi, my only questions are regarding the landscaping. Um, it not only includes the the landscaping at the back entrance of the building, but the you're also agreeing to the landscaping that fronts Jupiter Park Circle, the missing trees. Yes, sir. Along the Jupiter Park Circle and Jupiter Park Drive intersection. Yes, sir. Yeah, that's it for me. Thank you, Commissioner Kelso. One question for the applicant. Um, has the Jupiter Park Drive Master Association given you their approval letter for the change? Yes, we submitted the um, approval letter to staff with the application. Great. Then I have two questions for staff. Um, the applicant requested the concurrency reservation letter. At what point in the process would they receive that? Yeah, they would receive concurrency before council. Okay. And then a general question on the landscaping. Um I I noticed in in past landscaping plans, did the town ever um require a certain quality of plant material to go in? You know, like Florida fancy or number one or specimen in certain locations, especially like now we're talking about entrance trees and things like that. Code is Florida number one. Okay,

perfect. Thank you. That's all. Thank you. Uh, Commissioner Blum, I have no concerns. All right. Thank you. So, um, any comments or deliberation before we entertain a motion? If not, can I get a motion to recommend approval or denial of the request? I'd like to move to approve the application subject to the five conditions set out by staff in the uh, appended report. Thank you. Okay. Do I have a second? I'll second it. Commissioner Cassadi. All those in favor? I I. Any opposed? No. Passes unanimously. Thank you. Thank you. Next, we're on to item three here. Center Street Alt A1A redevelopment overlay area. Uh presentation on potential text amendments to the existing ROA. Staff. Uh, Miss Thurn. Good evening. Stephanie Thobber, um, assistant director of planning and zoning. Happy to talk to you about Center Street, our historic main street of Jupiter. Um, this zoning text amendment, this is a precursor. It'sformational only. This is not, this is to get you prepared for the ordinance that's going to come later on. But we wanted to give you since there was some previous work with the town council as part of a um 2023 strategic initiative. Uh it was the overall strategic initiative was called areas of local importance explore designating distinct areas or districts of local significance throughout Jupiter. And so you know when you look at the strategic priorities they have action items. And

so we went and did a uh round table with the council to identify which districts and which areas are important to them. And so they identified um the specific uh things that were unique uniquely Jupiter. What has character? What do we need to help? Where do we need to help? So that roundt occurred um in mid 2023 and then um subsequently we had individual meetings with council um in late 2023 and we talked about first of all we talked about is um the existing center street and that's what they wanted to talk about first is let's handle center street because we've got a couple things going on there. Not only is it an existing redevelopment overlay area, um, Center Street and Alternate A1A is a redevelopment overlay area that was established in 2010. What was happening in 2010, we were getting over the recession. So, we were looking at incentivizing redevelopment. And where were we doing that? in places where we had older um more mature properties that maybe were at lower elevations, maybe they were built prior to the Florida Building Code, you know, maybe they were had historic structures. So, they decided, the council decided, let's look at Center Street. And when we met with them individually, some of the discussions were, well, let's look at this incentivizing as maybe it should be a requirement now because there are things that are currently in the redevelopment overlay area like like um celebrating the historic relevance of the area or having architecture that is historically um characteristic of the area. Um there it also but it also allowed reductions in front setbacks, landscape buffers, green space and um and then the other

thing that was unique to the era was preserving large trees for example um a simple thing but it's very you know if you ever seen the building in Tquesta that just got built um on US1 that you don't know where the front door is simple things like that where orient the building to the And then we were also looking at parking and then um enhancing views to the waterway because guess what the water sawish bay is behind alternate A1A there. You don't always know that. And so those were some things that the council wanted to make sure um we address. So we started looking at okay well what kind of amendments does does the council want and this is the direction we received. One is you know going from incentive base to requirement. The other was around building height and massing. So you you all this board recently saw the Flagler Warf project um which is in the alternate A1A rowa and um one of the things that was of issue was building height and massing. So ultimately this board reviewed it and it was a two-story building had historic characteristics to the architecture. it had a building that's actually fronted the street um didn't put up a wall or anything like that. And so there's a difference between alternate A1A because it's a highway versus center street. And that was one of the things the council also saw as being an important aspect of this row. And then of course the overarching theme which is the historic nature of Center Street. And and you know just because I'm a history buff um you know going back this area was the second area the second downtown the second center of town. The original center was the south side of the inlet. That was the original center where where Sunny

Sands came in. But I won't get into that because I'll get off topic. But this became this the second center of town which made center street center street and um and it became this place where people congregated. So it has an affinity for people and it's turned into a different place. Um it's turned into a big cutthrough and it's very fast. And so um we wanted to look at that and what what can we do to bring that character back. So, we started looking at the land development regulations of other municipalities because that's what we do as planners is we look at what else people do. And then we looked at the existing um characteristics of the lots and and there's a lot of non-conformities out there, which no surprise, it's older. So, you're going to have older older non-conforming lots that don't meet area and land development regulations, area dimensions, and also um developments or sites that that were built long ago that don't meet current regulations. For example, um most I would say in this area do not meet the the minimum green space requirements because back then we didn't have green space requirements that some of these places were built in the 50s. Um, so we're trying to look and map at that, map all of those. And then what's the big one of the biggest issues if you've ever gone to Farrava, which is now the patio store, um, is or Ralph's standup bar, is parking. Parking is an issue. And part of that came about is because I have a picture it I didn't I didn't show it in this one but I have a picture back in the 50s and there was on street parking all along center street where the commercial was and a lot of that has gone away because of the widening of the road and so a lot of the parking has has um been removed. So how do we deal with the non-conformities and

parking and um issues with green space? So we're looking at those things. Um but as we move forward and our next steps, uh we're looking at um coordinating this effort with the zoning text amendment with also the county's effort which is in their five-year uh plan to widen street um with a with three lanes and um and they they're looking at the feasibility of all that now. they they've got a a general actually they're beyond feasibility they're starting design. So with that um Kim Delaney from Treasure Coast Regional Planning Council is here to talk about that one after after this discussion but we're looking for public outreach. We're going to do an online survey. Um we want to have an openhouse. We want to invite everybody from the area to come and give their input and then um we will also post any uh survey results and hoping to bring it to you September 9th um and then October 1st to council in November 18th. Hope hopefully these are all subject to change. But um you know that with all this being said um just wanted to note that it all may be for not because there's a Senate bill that has been approved through the Florida legislature uh that basically says if it gets signed by the governor, the municipalities cannot make any changes that make rules more strict, which will severely impact um local governments from from adopting new regulations such is this one that we're talking about. So, just wanted to put this all out there for you. If we can move forward, we definitely will. We're trying to move forward, but we'll see what happens um around July 3rd. And, um with that, uh I'd be happy to hear any questions. And,

um we're all here. We all worked on this. So, so it's not just me. Um Marty Schneider here and John Sichler and I, we all worked on this. So happy to and Jenna, our new our our new uh Jenna Johnson, she's our new planner as well. So if you have any questions, feel free to ask. Let's uh do some questions here. Starting with Commissioner Blum. I have no questions. Commissioner Kelso, I have no questions at this time. Thanks, Commissioner Sadly. Same for me. No questions at this point. So I do have one quick question and this is probably a much longer conversation about Senate Bill 180. Is there any sunset on the restrictions that municipalities can make? So basically what it does is it backtracks based on the three hurricanes that hit in 2024 and it um so restricts you from uh making any more uh restrictive or burdensome amendments uh for a period ending on October 1st, 2027. Okay. And then there's also um another section that says if a future hurricane hits within 100 miles of that track, those uh counties and cities in those counties couldn't change their code for a period of one year following that event. Got it. And but it does expire when it's written. If we don't get hit by any hurricanes and we're not in the track that then it would expire October 1st, and just to distill it down. So the reason they're doing this is to encourage redevelopment of areas that were hit by the hurricane in more open that seems to be the the logic that they're using is they don't want uh more restrictions in areas that took from hurricane. And if I could add Tom and I are looking obviously into Senate Bill

180 and the implications and obviously it hasn't been uh passed or vetoed yet. Um, but kind of where you were leading kind of hit the head on it is whether that applies generally to all development in these municipalities versus the development that's been directly affected by a storm and imposing anything stricter that would prevent them from just getting back to pretorm form kind of a thing because it could be a little bit overarching if it's not tailored. And that's something that we're certainly looking into and we'll give guidance to staff and all the boards um once we know a little bit more about which direction it's headed. Great. Thank you, Commissioner Thompson. Nothing at this time. Commissioner Vincent, I feel like an oddball. I feel like I have a lot of questions. Sorry. It's all right. Um I may be a little mixed up with my notes here. So, exactly. I know you said that there were going to be some meetings with the public. Exactly. How many like open meetings are you thinking that they're going to be? Because just one meeting is difficult timing wise and uh for people to plan their lives around just having one meeting that they may or may not hear about. And is there I'll just follow up with that real quick. Is there any plan for any type of media exposure like a larger amount of media exposure to let the people know that that their input is is wanted on this project? So, so yes, there will be more than one meeting and there will be um meetings related to this item, the redevelopment overlay area zoning text amendment. Um and then there'll be a separate meeting related to road impacts and road changes um that the countyy's doing. So, you know, land use and roadway uses go together. They're

integral, but we wanted to try and make sure that we had separate meetings for separate discussions. And then in terms of having, you know, if we find that there is a need to have an additional open house, for example, um we'll do that like at a coffee with council. Um but a little bit different and we've found that it works really well is doing online surveys um and then pushing that out through social media through the website because then it gives the opportunity for everyone and with with people who are more technologically savvy. you know, you'll you'll reach different demographics, whereas the people who will come out and see and visit are a little bit different than those people who are necessarily giving you survey information. And then we'll publish those and if we see that we need to do it again, we'll definitely do it again. Um the community relations department is is involved in this whole effort as well as Treasure Coast Regional Planning Council. This is what they do and they're experts at it. So, we're bringing them in to make sure we can spread the word. Will there be um Thank you for that. Will there be um meetings with the surrounding businesses? Absolutely. And will there be meetings that are centered around the surrounding surrounding neighborhoods? Yes. So what we do as part of as part of like um the outreach is we have individual stakeholders meetings which we begin our list of of stakeholders whether they be um HOAs or neighborhoods and we get with neighborhood um you know services in order to get context of who are the leaders because in this area it's a little bit older so you know we don't necessarily have all the HOAs and then we have a list of all of the um property owners as well as businesses and people who have just who have even live who even live in unincorporated who want to

be involved and we've started that list and and we've reached out which is why we have a few folks here already. So, so because as you know it runs down that way. That's a fairly historic area also. Which brings me into my next question. That was one. Sorry. Um, is the historic committee or panel going to be involved? The town of Jupiter historic committee going to be involved in this in preservation and making sure that we don't go backwards and damage what we're wanting to preserve. the historic resources board. We provide input um provide them updates on items uh and we certainly will bring that message to them and give them information. The majority of of the areas that are historic in terms of structures are in the single family areas um outside of the redevelopment overlay area. Not to say that there isn't any like for example the Sims house that is not in the redevelopment overlay area. That is a residential structure in a residential zoning district that happens to have adaptive re reuse in it. So it's a little bit different than um than um than the commercial section. So absolutely we'll because we we they love being involved and we want to hear um their input. So Okay. Thank you. Um, so far as the road and the widening of it, is that going to affect, like you were discussing the parallel park or the diagonal parking that's out there in front of the patio store in Ralph? uh as we move forward. We don't know yet because we haven't had seen any designs from the county because that's kind of

part of the that's one of the questions per se or the part of the retaining the old feel and nature of it. We don't know the answer to that yet and see. We'll have to wait and see. Okay. What the county's doing. It's the county's road. So, okay, that was my question. Is it all county or It is all county. Okay. Are they taking in um discussion with you guys regarding it? We've met with them initially and and um uh Kim Delaney is here and she'll give the presentation on more of the project related to the county and the outreach for that. But yes, we've had initial discussions just because it impacts like a historical area that you want to retain that feel. And which leads me to my next question about the stuff that's not up to our current code so far as green space and this that and the other. You didn't have that so much. So you're not necessarily going to have that now. But are you expecting people to bring stuff up to codes to current codes or are they going to be grandfathered in or what? Well, that's what we're investigating. But but realistically today, if you're doing certain changes to your property, you don't necessarily have to bring it up to meet the entire code, uh unless you're doing a a whole uh increase over 20%. So it there's levels of bringing things up to meet code, but then there's a balance of well what makes sense in terms of keeping this feeling historic versus okay, we want a buffer and all of these things and you know so yeah that's my point. If you want to keep the historic and what it looks like, you can't change and say everybody has to have x amount of green space or this that and the other or it's a moot point. You've modernized the whole thing. Yes, agreed.

I'm I think I'm done with my questions. Okay. Thank you. You're welcome. Thank you, Commissioner. Commissioner Keenan, uh two quick questions. One, the scope of what's being considered, how I guess my question is how wide is that scope? like for example uh would we be considering uh power line movement or power line bar being buried those types of issues or is that outside the scope? Well um so if you look at your screen this is the redevelopment overlay area that's um boundary is outlined in teal and so that's the area we would be looking at. Um we do have other areas in town where we specifically say underground all utilities um upon redevelopment if you meet certain thresholds. So I mean it's something that could be considered now. I mean, one of the things we have to we have to understand as well is the cost now of putting those things underground is much greater than it used to be because FPNL recently hardened everything um on our major roads. So, um it's not as cheap as it used to be and how does that impact existing businesses. So, we'll be investigating and analyzing that. The main issues that we looked at um from the council were um you know basically uh four main items which which have offshoots but uh but th those are the four main items that council asks us to look at. It's not to say when it comes through this board um if Senate bill allows us to that um you know this board can make a recommendation and we can look at those things. That's a good segue to my second question, which has to do with the Senate bill. Um,

will would we consider uh, and this is really also a question for council, assessing grounds for proceeding, notwithstanding the fact that the governor has signed the bill, we would still proceed under reasonably valid arguments that it can be distinguished and applicable. And you mentioned one such argument already um that would only apply apply to certain areas that were impacted by storms. I mean are we I guess it's premature to ask that but it seems to me one question we would have is should we proceed anyway under under argument that it it should be distinguished and not applicable. Well I can tell you that staff is continuing to work for work and analyze the issues. We're still looking at these items. Um, we'll wait and see what other municipalities also say because once if it gets approved, which it most likely will, then there's usually some administrative code that talks about how it will be actually, you know, laid out and administered. So, and then we'll we'll be able to hear opinions from the attorneys um as well as our own. So, it is a wait and see a little bit, but I can guarantee you it's a strategic priority for the staff. We continue to look at it. It's an important area for the town. So, we we you know, all of this research is not for not. Thank you. If you're ready, I just I'd love to introduce Kim Delaney. If you guys haven't met her yet, she's with Treasure Coast Regional Planning Council. I'll bring up her. Um, and we're happy to have her working with us on this. Yeah, let me Oh, I'm sorry. That's right. Yeah, let me just see if there's any public comment on this particular topic and then we'll change gears. That's right. So, are there any comments

from the public? Yes. If I can have Mr. John Kaku come to the podium. Um, state your name and address for the record. You have three minutes to express your comments. Name is John Kaku. I live at 917 North Lock Sahhatche Drive and being that I've lived on that street for 34 years and uh being aware with the basically setbacks of things being general contractor since 85 building a lot in Jupiter mostly commercial um I would say as far as the old town feel there's only four buildings out there and most of them have been redone in my opinion and Stephanie may correct We have the church that they just rebuilt a few years ago. You have another old residential building that's turned into I don't know if it's totally commercial or some sort of commercial element right down the road that's been redone. Uh you have Ralph Standup Bar that is a historical in my opinion but it you know it is what it is. And you have the patio shop to me within the center street quarter. Those are the only four commercial buildings. And as far as putting any landscaping, as far as even parking in these, you know, they you because we ride our bikes, we walk constantly there. It's like taking your life in your hands, especially in front of Ralph's and the and the patio store because when they expanded Center Street, they have cars hanging out there. There's no sidewalk. When uh Bright Line came in, they did us no favors as far as the way they put in the U crosswalks. you get your you know that the handicap ramp that whole thing from a uh governmental perspective is by code but from a practical perspective is not. So back to the point of uh I guess changing much as far as a layout or landscaping I from a practical

standpoint it's not going to happen at least for Ralph's and the uh patio store. Um, and as far as code, I've been in both. Uh, again, in today's in yesterday's building, you had blocks this thick. You know, they were hard. We're not talking about what they had, you know, today as far as um the quality of the materials, even though the way they are put together is much better. So, as far as changing any of that, in my opinion, it's just not going to happen unless they knock them down because you're, if we're looking to do Center Street, which backs into this, and being living on there, uh, down there, you're expanded as far as you can get. And so, as far as additional parking or what have you, I don't think it's going to happen. Um I will since you were discussing as far as the upcoming center street uh I think other than some green spaces between uh Lockachi River Road and uh uh railroad tracks there's only certain areas where you can expand. So kind of limited how far you can go and I would assume and I haven't seen anything and I'm I'm jumping the gun. You're going to have three lanes hopefully turning lane both ways in the middle and one going left and one coming uh east, one going west. Uh because the problem is when it slows down there, people going to trying to turn left or right and the traffic there. Ever since the um the new bridge and the expansion of all the housing, it is impossible. I mean, in the way that whether it's a county DOT designed the center street going north on alternate A1A, everything now has become a race to get in the left lane because Toquesta took off their I guess uh four lanes and now you have um two lanes there and going onto Tquesta Drive which is over the railroad tracks. It's backed up on the bridge. There is not enough room for turning now. used to before when when

Jupiter at the quest was smaller, you might have 10 cars. Now it backs up over the bridge. Same thing now when they have a light that turns on Old Dixie Highway. Same thing when you turn on US1 because of the amount of traffic that's been thrown on us by u the people getting off Indian Town Road. Uh those are the problems, not just a common sense problem. So, uh, I just wanted to put the input as far as the overlay area and what would need really needed to be done as far as on these existing buildings. I don't see what's going to happen or what have you. And again, as I said, I'm jumping the gun as far of my opinion of what they need to do with Center Street. Thank you very much. That's the only comment card for this item. Thank you. Thank you. Anything further from the commission? Okay, we'll move on to the next item which is agenda item four. This is the center street rightaway improvements and the presentation is to introduce the process to conduct the public outreach to get input on the center the proposed center street roadway improvements under design by Palm Beach County and Mr. Delaney. Hi there. Apologies. I just got a mint from Stephanie so it'll take a moment. uh Kim Delaney for the record from Treasure Coast Regional Planning Council and thanks for the opportunity to present to you tonight. Um and Mr. Delaney, could you just explain what the Treasure Coast Planning Commissioner? Absolutely. That'd be helpful to me. Certainly. So, so Florida has 10 regional planning councils. Regional planning councils are established in state statute and every county is within a regional planning council for regional planning purposes, right? Um the Treasure Coast region has four counties. Palm Beach, Martin, St. Lucy, and Indian River counties. Uh, and so about 2.4 million people. Um, and um, uh, the

regional planning councils are tasked as um, uh, as agencies to provide assistance to local government. That's why the regional planning councils were created u in the 1970s. Florida's uh, pardon me, I'm so sorry, there's a mint here. It'll be gone in a moment. uh Florida's uh growth pressures were pretty significant in the 1970s as the state started to expand. And so when the state of Florida required local governments put comprehensive planning in place and the and the growth management act was passed, regional planning councils were created in that same time frame to provide assistance to local government. uh there was kind of an expectation or a realization that there were going to be some impacts on local government that would really be multi-jurisdictional and so individual towns like the town of Jupiter dealing with largecale projects like um scripts maxplunk and the bioscience overlay for example those are really multi-jurisdictional projects even though they might occur just in one jurisdiction there's multi-jurisdictional things to think about and so um uh so planning councils were again established to provide that type of assistance to local governments as needed and also handle largecale regional projects like um major roadway projects um uh water storage restoration uh power plant sighting airports large-scale projects again that have multi-jurisdictional impacts. Um we also provide assistance for um for emergency evacuation, hurricane preparedness. Um we work directly um with both the state and feds on um emergency preparedness and training first responders. Um we have a low interest loan program that we offer uh for uh businesses throughout the region um that's overseen by um by an appointed board. Uh so we we're designed to provide that type of assistance. Regional planning council where's the funding come from? Uh the funding is um uh is from multiple sources. uh the base funding for regional planning councils is a per

capita allocation from each of the individual counties. So there's a base level service that we provide for local governments and counties. Um and that's funded really through um those county dollars. Um and then when the councils provide specific assistance like for example um taking the town through a conversation about a center street project that specific assistance um is funded by either the local government that receives that assistance or the agency that's requested that assistance. So that's our funding source. Thank you. We have a 28 member board, 18 elected officials and 10 gubanatorial appointees. Um and so the council's only work for public entities. We do not do any private work. We're a public agency and nonprofit for that purpose. So that's the background of the regional planning council. Um and um and for this project uh the town asked for us to assist with um uh with a community conversation really about center street um and to assist in um analyzing that project with Palm Beach County. It is funded and it is in motion. Um but there are lots of issues related to Center Street that are very local in nature. Um, and so we provide a lot of that type of facilitation work with local governments, especially when it comes to projects like roadway projects and infrastructure projects that have a heavy public engagement need, if you will. Um, because that's really the specialty that we have as an agency. Um, and so with that, for tonight's agenda, just a brief overview about the Center Street project. Um, we um, uh, uh, Center Street of course, as you've already been discussing, um, is, um, is in the northern part of Jupiter. Uh the western part of the road was already improved or widened really um uh back in 2018 and so the county now has funding set aside to widen street from Lockxahhatchee um uh from Lockxachi River Road um uh east to A1A. That project is actually funded uh for construction in uh FY 2028. So we're

about three years out from that project happening. Here's a little sheet from the county's um roadway plan which shows the county has a million dollars allocated for uh engineering work and about two and a half million for construction. Um and um and they're in the beginning of their process. Um and so uh working with the town staff, we've already engaged the county and kind of had a conversation with them to understand where they are. Um there's a set of preliminary plans that should be coming to the town um in uh in the next couple of weeks so that you can begin that process to figure out what the county's needs are with respect to capacity on the road, if you will, and what your needs and desires are as a as a community. Um the the road has a what's called a functional classification. All of the roads in the county um actually all roads have a functional roadway classification that just um identifies what the role is of that road in the larger transportation network. Um and so center street is actually classified as a major collector in the urban category. Um which sounds surprising because there aren't a lot of things about Jupiter that feel really urban when you think about other places. But in terms of roadway classification, um that's the classification that um that is assigned to this particular road. This is a slide that you cannot read, but if you want to um there's a lot of detail uh available on the TPA or transportation planning agency website with respect to what those classifications mean. Um for a major collector in the urban category, uh the expectation is that facility would be two to four uh lanes in width. It would have roads uh lanes that are about 10 to 11 feet. Uh they can vary depending on the context and lane use context of that facility. Um and typical speeds are expected to be in the 30 to 45 mph range. What's posted and how people drive aren't always the same thing, but that's the design speed expectation uh for um uh for Center

Street. Um a little detail about uh the characteristics that are standard for urban collector urban uh collectors like um like Center Street. Uh the expectation is there'd be sidewalk widths of 6 to 10 feet, some type of bicycle facility likely in the four to six foot range. Um and then again those lanes would be um 10 to 11 feet in width. Um the Palm Beach TPA uh or the transportation planning agency which is responsible for large-scale planning um uh and funding in Palm Beach County u maintains a um maintains an analysis of the bike network in Palm Beach County. Um, Center Street because it has a pretty substantial amount of bicycle traffic is actually identified as a tier one facility. Really raising the priority for that facility as um a quarter that needs to have bicycle accommodations considered primarily as roads are designed. Um, and so um and so the reason that road has been identified as a tier one bicycle facility is because there's a history of some crashes on the corridor. And so this map is a little clip of the crash map um that exists with the TPA that records all of the crashes um from all of the data sources. And as you can see, there are a number of crashes with some fatalities on Indiantown Road, which is the bottom um the bottom line on that map. Um A1A also has some challenges, and Center Street is not alone in that. Um, and so over the five-year time frame, and that's the five-year time frame um represented in this map, um there are some um there are some safety challenges that have been evidenced by crashes happen. Uh as you already know from Stephanie's presentation that just preceded the town's plan, u the town maintains a strategic plan that looks at large-scale issues on a long-term basis on uh annually. Center Street is one of those projects that has maintained position in

the town strategic plan over time. Um there are two particular strategic planning areas that are relevant to Center Street. One of those is the town's focus on mobility. Um and in particular thinking about strategies to reduce the number of accidents and the number of conflicts between pedestrians, um vehicles and cyclists. And that's not unique to Jupiter. Most communities maintain that as a priority. But Center Street is particularly one of those facilities in the town um that um that is a foundational piece um as to those mobility concerns. Um the other uh component in the strategic plan of course that you're more familiar with I would imagine as the planning and zoning commission is the town's desire to very carefully manage growth. Um and of course the Center Street area is one of those areas of local importance that has a longstanding history of um priority in the town. And so Center Street um is an important part of how that area is going to function. Most real estate in most communities is made up of the roadway network. So you can do your best job on the private side of the line, but what most people experience when they come to town is being on the transportation network. Um and so when it comes to growth management um and improving conditions, we're very focused on how roads are detailed and how they function because that is again the first and last experience most people have as they access a property um or leave it. When we think about the town's transportation network, uh this is a little clip from uh the comp plan. One of the things that um is really evident when you look at Center Street's relationship in the transportation network is that um and one of your earlier speakers touched on this um as growth has continued to expand into Qua and there's a greater demand for folks accessing I95 um Center Street is really clearly one of those types of corridors that's taking a lot of people through Jupiter but not necessarily to Jupiter. Um, and that's where we really find a lot of conflicts,

particularly in the design of facilities, um, that have a heavy residential basis. There's people who have to walk or ride their bike or they want to walk or ride their bike or push somebody in a stroller or take their dog for a walk or take a scooter to go downtown and get a donut. Um, and so when cars are traveling through a community, they beh they behave differently. Drivers behave differently when they're going to a place. Um, and it really is very evident as we've been trying to understand how people function on the road. You kind of you feel that, right? You can when you're on that quarter, and we've spent a good bit of time just trying to get our arms around the challenges there. You can feel it when somebody really wants to get past you u because they're not really paying attention to all of the the interference, if you will, on the side, which is all the driveways and all the people that live there. Um, and so, um, that I think is one of the reasons the town council has asked us to assist in the conversation. Um, again, we met with the county and had a k kickoff conversation with the county um, a couple of weeks ago and we've provided the county some background documents that you all are very familiar with, but the county wasn't as familiar. So, they now have your comprehensive plan, um, your tree study and your expectation with respect to the types and caliber of trees that should be planted on major corridors and also uh, your storm water utilities planning. there's some flooding history on that corridor and that's one of the challenges when you add asphalt in a condition where we already have a flooding challenge. Well, that storm water has to go somewhere and we don't want it dumping directly to tide. We have to treat it before it moves. Um and so those are all um measures, if you will, uh that um that will be addressed as part of the process. Uh Stephanie already touched on in your strategic plan that again this is an area of local importance and so we have that as a primary charge as we approach the project um on your behalf. Um there are a couple of different design considerations that become evident when you think about center street. Um one of

those is actually a national move that used to be referred to as target zero. Um it's now called vision zero. um and that is an expectation that transportation networks should be designed with a goal that there would be zero fatalities and there would be zero serious injuries on the network. Now that is an aspirational standard because we all live in a place where we have lots of very troubling headlines often but that doesn't change the expectation that when transportation facilities are designed that should be the goal. uh the TPA or the transportation planning agency um has uh set a kind of a countywide expectation and the town is one of those entities uh that has raised the flag and said, "Oh yeah, we want to have a clear expectation that when we're working in the transportation arena, our expectation is zero fatalities and zero serious injuries." And so we need to do our very best job to make sure that we um we uh we carry that mission out. Um and one of the ways that is accomplished in communities um is by shifting the focus in roadways from just focused on focusing on how many cars can move comfortably through a space and instead thinking about roads as complete streets. Um and complete streets is that term that's now become popularized in the last decade or so. And the name really describes what that thinking is. Um, complete streets are streets that are designed for the complete range of users. Uh, when we think about the traveling public, right, the traveling public is moving behind the the wheel of a car, but the traveling public is also walking and riding their bike and on a scooter and sometimes in a wheelchair and sometimes taking transit. So, it's really a much more diverse group of users on a transportation facility. Historically, many roads were focused were designed with a focus on moving as many cars as quickly and cleanly as

possible through a quarter. But if you zoom out and think about all the users on the network, roads are being re the roadway design is being reconsidered in many places because those other users weren't primary in the design focus. Um, when we look at Center Street and think about who's moving on Center Street, these are just photos from one day. Um, there's lots of people that are on the sidewalk and there's lots of people that are in the bike lane. They're actually kind of hard to see. And that's one of the other considerations about roadway design, which is the visibility for those other users has a relationship with the ability for that corridor to function as safely as possible. Um and so in our discussions with the county thus far, um these are the types of subjects that we're really elevating in the discussion to be sure that when the road is designed and constructed, it appropriately accommodates that range of users in a way that's right for Jupiter. Pardon me. There are lots of different design elements that are used in some in Jupiter and some in other places. And so as we get into our public discussion with you as a community, um we'll look for feedback about what are the types of things that make sense for you. Um the road has some visibility challenges and so things like lighted crosswalks can help if there's a location where it's not really as visible for drivers. You can use textured crosswalks uh or protected crosswalks for people to get safely back and forth across the street. Um, and these are just some ideas. Really not for particular feedback tonight, but just kind of at a 20,000 foot level. There are ways to uh design corridors so that they add to the placemaking of a community. Again, if you're going through Jupiter and not to Jupiter on that road, um, it might not have the same design as a road that you really want people to come to Jupiter and come to the businesses that are on the Center Street Corridor. Um, and so roadway design can do that for you, uh,

depending how it's, um, depending how it's implemented. So, decorative lighting versus standard lighting, lighting that includes banner signage, um, uh, landscape materials that are specific to a place, um, adding, uh, ballards um, and, um, street furniture uh, in locations where it makes sense. Landscaping can be in the form of bioalailes. The town is one of the leaders, frankly, in the region in using um those kind of landscape techniques that have a dual purpose. Looks great and cleans the storm water. You know, you want to kind of uh gain the most efficiency you can once you make a public investment. Certainly, um other design considerations really focus on the bicycle traffic on the corridor. What we know is when a third lane is added and you get a scramble lane in the middle, the view for drivers becomes much wider. As you have a larger amount of pavement to view as a driver, your field of your range of focus becomes more distant. As your range becomes more distant, you see less on the sides of the road. So when a kid's riding a scooter, somebody's riding a bike, they take a turn into the road, you don't see them as quickly when you have more asphalt to view as a driver. So thinking carefully about bicycling infrastructure um is one of the other um the other elements that you might want to prioritize as a community. And there's different ways to do that. There are protected bike lanes. There are green bike lanes. Um there are separated bicycle facilities. There are multi-use paths that accommodate both bicyclists and pedestrians. Um and so those are all elements that might be appropriate. We don't have any prejudice in making a recommendation, but we do want to do our best job of laying out all the options. So, you can think about that as a community um and uh and construct uh the combination of improvements that make sense. Um and just a couple other examples, of course, street trees in the town of Jupiter and tree coverage is a very significant part of what you experience when you're in Jupiter um and you spend time here. And so, that's one of the elements um of course you would

expect um that you might want to prioritize. Um and so with that, um again, we're underway with due diligence at this point and beginning outreach conversations like this one. Um there was a question earlier as to what type of process u would take place and what would be the opportunities for the public to engage. Um and so we're a public agency and we characterize all the work that we do with as much public input as possible. We feel as an agency that when elected officials have uh confidence that there's been really solid public input, they can make more informed decisions and be more confident in that decision-making. Um and so um we will be scheduling a series of focus group discussions, working with your your staff uh to have a focus group with residents, a focus group with property owners. Um I think we have uh eight of those available um uh in the time frame that we have allocated to the project. Um, we also are expecting a public workshop in the month of July and we're working with your staff now um to get a date pinned down that has enough room so we have proper advertising ahead of time. Uh, Stephanie mentioned I think already there will be online engagement as well. Um, we run our public workshops now with a public interface. So if you can't make it to the workshop, you can still watch it on Zoom. You can send questions in and we try to get everything recorded and answered to the best of our ability. Um, and then with that input, uh, we'll get into a design process in the late summer and we would expect to have some type of recommendations to bring back, um, in the early fall. Um, and so that's our time frame. Um, I have my contact information here. Um, Stephanie is really our point of contact, but certainly we're happy to answer any questions directly if you have them. Um, and with that, um, did I step? I cover what we needed. Covered what we needed. So, here we go. Okay. Thank you. So, just to frame, I'm sure there's a lot of us tonight who have a lot of questions about this. Is tonight's meeting intended to get a lot of public input or

is this just kind of set the stage for how it's going to be? It's a set the stage um conversation, but we're happy to take whatever level of input you'd like to provide. Okay? So, this is your meeting and we're happy to participate. So, but the more formal part of the public input process uh really will begin um later in uh in the month of July uh where again we'll have a small focus group discussions um I think the expedition we'd have six to eight or so um in a very structured um structured uh workshop setting uh with a set of plans out where we can pinpoint you know this tree is good and this car is in the wrong place you know that level of granular detail um and then our public uh Our public workshop will be a town hall format. Um and again another opportunity for a very detailed discussion with proper plans and visual information so we can be very specific with that. Okay. Thank you. So I think uh what we'll do this evening is we'll start with uh questions from the commission and then there will certainly be plenty of time for folks who are here who'd like to step to the podium and ask questions or offer comments. So, starting with the commission, let's start with Commissioner Keenan. I uh I just had one question actually for staff and that is as you go through this process in July and August and I think the earliest we would be scheduled to hear anything would be September if I read that correctly. Could you provide uh the commission with interim status reports as these things occur over the next few months so that it doesn't hit us all at once in September? We will have been following along and and receiving some kind of update on the progress of the meetings as they occur. Love that if that's possible. That was it. Okay. Thank you, Commissioner Vincent.

I don't have any questions this time. Commissioner Thompson. Um, I have a question about the the entirety of the bicycle traffic where it sounded like you brought up that's a primary concern um with the entire project. So the bicycles are a primary concern over vehicular traffic. No, no, no. But equitably considered with traffic. What we know the road will absolutely be widened. how it's widened and how it accommodates vehicles is the funding rationale for the widening. Um, raising a focus on bicycle comfort and safety and pedestrian comfort and safety is what we would suggest as important as moving vehicles through with the widened with the widened road. However, it's widened. So, equal status for bicycles and and everything else. That's what we would suggest to you, but it's up to you as a community. That's how other agencies have identified that corridor. They've raised a they've raised a flag and said bicycle safety is a challenge here. Pay attention to it. Um and so that's part of the mission I think that we've been given by the town council is to do that. And the traveling public would be defined then as vehicles, bicycles, and pedestrian traffic. Uh scooters, wheelchairs. U you know the traveling public is varied in different places. I think most of your traveling public is either driving cars, bikes, walking, or on scooters. That's what we've seen. Um but um there have been traffic studies done that show what percentage of each one of those is made up what let's say 70% is vehicular, um 20% pedestrian, etc., etc. I haven't seen those counts yet, but we can certainly work with your staff, see if they can put a tube out to um to pull some of the counts. Okay. And then one other

thing that I thought of um safety concerns with the designation of severe injury. What constitutes a severe injury? What's the definition of a severe injury? That's a good question. I don't have that. I think it's hospitalization, but I'll confirm that. Thank you. Sure. Just a couple of questions on my part. Um, I know everybody agrees that ebikes are becoming just prolific everywhere. I'm assuming that's got a significant impact on traditional bike lane design with the use of ebikes. It it has. So, and it has an impact on sidewalk design also. Yeah. Because a lot of people want to ride their ebike on the sidewalk and sidewalks that are only six feet wide have a hard time accommodating a pedestrian and an ebike. Right. Right. So, um there is there is not um there is not a lot of specificity in state statute about how to regulate ebikes. In fact, it's expressly um a category of user that cannot be regulated um in the traditional manner anymore. Um and so, and so that's a challenge. We're dealing with that in a lot of communities um that have tended towards w um maintaining a bike lane because the ebike riders tend to prefer to be in a bike lane because they don't want the interference with pedestrians and then also slightly wider multi-use paths where if that rider prefers to be in the sidewalk condition if you will that's e scooters as well. Okay, there's more room for both of them to get out of the way from one another. Okay, that's what we've seen. And just generally, what's the rightway that we have to work with on Center Street? Uh, I think it's a 70 foot. It's about a 70 foot rideway. Okay. So, we're still waiting for the plans from the county. We've requested

them, but they haven't sent them over just yet. Okay. And last question. So, I know it's a collaborative effort, but is is there a stakeholder that's kind of quote unquote in the lead of this process? the town of Jupiter, Palm Beach County Planning Council, who's who's kind of the final decision maker on these things? Well, the the final decision maker on the design of the road will ultimately be the county. It's the county's road in the county's jurisdiction, and the county will likely provide the majority of funding uh for the roadway widening. Um the county is very collaborative with communities often uh where there are shared approaches to design. Um if the town wants additional infrastructure that isn't already funded for the project, uh the county has been a very good partner with lots of jurisdictions in seeking grant dollars um and sharing those costs. Um and so um ultimately it's a it's a it's a county facility, but it's in your jurisdiction. And so, um, you have some advantage, um, in that you are well organized as a community and you're undertaking a process like this one to be very specific and help inform the design. Okay. Thank you. That's all for me, Commissioner Chris Hadley. Yeah. Uh, thank you. Nice presentation. Um, I do have some questions regarding the funding. So you said you get a per capita funding from the counties and then it's on a like a I don't hate to use the word predeem but it's on a consultation basis project by project. Yeah. And so for this is the is the county now that's doing it in the in the town. No the town it's just the town's doing the funding for this. Okay. Want to make that distinction. Um I have some other questions about the crash map over what time period was that? That's a fiveyear. Fiveyear. Okay. Um, and have

there been any crash maps where we take a situation where it's a two-lane road, we make it a threelane road with a suicide turn lane in the middle. And I think that's definitely going to help traffic because we've all been stuck on Center Street when someone wants to go right or left. Sure. Into one of the residential or commercial buildings. Uh, have there been studies that show what happens with the crash map uh with the suicide lane? I hate I don't want to use that because it kind of gives it a certain connotation. with the turn lane, does the crash rate go up and the accident rate go up for bikers, pedestrians, strollers, wheelchairs, the vehicles to hold? It depends how those facilities are designed. Okay? Right. So, they they vary. Um, and so where there are larger off-road facilities, you don't have as many points of conflict uh for pedestrians and cyclists in those travel lanes. Uh, so it's really a function of design. and we'll pull we'll pull the crash data for those different types of facilities so that we can uh we can have that as part of the process. Yeah, if we could do a light comparison it' be interesting. And then I'd also like to see what happens if you with that light comparison and then we can look at putting the safety features in for for pedestrians and bicycles. Um which ones are the most beneficial? I mean if we're going to do we want to make it the most beneficial and get the biggest bang for our buck. Right. Sure. And make sure that we're filling that priority. Um, I guess the the other question I have is you kept on using it's a two versus a through road and I don't have a feeling about this one way or the other because I use it both ways. Sure. Um, but and I'm sure a lot of people in the public do. It's just not what I'm doing. And so is that the bigger issue? Are we going to make this a two versus a through road? How do you balance that? And your expertise is doing this, you know, have a PhD. What's your what how do you value that? two versus a through. So it's so the road you don't have control over the road, right? So it's and the county needs that road to perform a function,

collect traffic and deliver that traffic to the larger roadway network. Um how you design the road um is um uh is is a local prerogative. um the um the faster traffic moves through a facility like this, the less you see on um on the on the fringes, right? As a as a driver, your peripheral vision, your peripheral vision is reduced um with as a function of the width of the asphalt. Um pardon me. So, as a community, those are those are judgment calls. Those are policy decisions really that you set as a place. If you want to make it easier for people to drive faster on the road and get through the community, you would have less infrastructure, that would slow them down. Um, if instead you want to make a roadway that is more comfortable for local traffic and maybe not as comfortable for traffic moving through, um, then you would design the road differently, create a sense of enclosure, um, and create vertical elements to change the view of drivers. These are policy decisions for you as a community to decide. And and can you quantify that? So I mean if you do you had different examples of how to slow down not to slow down the traffic, how to allow pedestrians to be safer crossing the street, the lights to protect the crossways, the the side path for the bicycle with the medium between, you know, the lane and and the bike lane. Can you quantify that to know which are going to not only be the most efficacious for safety, but which are going to not allow the traffic to slow down or to speed it up, right? Is that a quantifiable? You know, it's that's a good question that you ask. I'm sure there is safety data to quantify the relationship between uh facilities that have multi-use paths, for example, and facilities and no bike lane and facilities that have bike lanes and smaller sidewalks. So, I'll pull that data. Um, it's tricky data to work with,

though, because what we find is that when you have a facility that's not comfortable for cyclists, cyclists sometimes tend to avoid that facility. So because people avoid the facility, you don't have as many crashes happening. It's not because the road is safer. It's because it's not a pleasant place for cyclists to be, right? Well, there's a sweet spot, right? And there's a flip side to that, right? Where you make a place that's really comfortable for cyclists, people like to go there. And when people like to ride their bikes more often on a road that has cars, sometimes you have a higher crash rate that occurs. So it's it's kind of tricky data. There's an art and a science to planning that we really we really um uh respect u because the sense of place for your community could be very different than the sense of place for another one. So we really rely on public input and taking the best practice examples we can to illustrate those different conditions so you can decide as a community if it feels right because the data may not take you to that decision. It might be more a sense of this is what's right for Jupiter because this feels like the place that we love and this is why we live here. Even if I can't provide the data to you to say now your crash rate will go down, you might have more people that want to bike there. So fun. So controlling or creating a condition where it's not comfortable to speed through the corridor might be the bounce. Right. Right. So I'm trying to go back to the two versus through and that this is just you're setting the stage. So it's that sweet spot, right? And the sweet spot is it's the sweet spot of the traffic flow, the pedestrian flow, the bike flow. Also the sweet spot of what the town and the people who live in a town want, right? I mean that's the balance. It is. And that's your advisory role and and trying to figure that out for Okay. As a town. All right. Thank you. Y Thank you, Commissioner Kelso. Yeah. I

just have one uh general comment. When we plan roadways, it seems like we always try to do it balanced in the sense of on one side we have a sidewalk and the other side we have a sidewalk and the other one side we have a bike lane and the other side we have a bike lane. Well, I was recently out in Monterey, California, and they have a bike a two-way bike lane on one side of the street, and it really worked out amazingly well because kind of to your point of walkers and bikers not necessarily want to be in the same area. You know, if you were walking, you tended to go on the walking side of the street, if you will. And then if you were biking, you were on the other side of the street, and you got to where you wanted to go. Oh, and if it happened to be on the other side of the street, you just simply crossed at the crosswalk and then walk the rest of the way, right? Um, so I guess, you know, not necessarily having to be matchy matchy on each side, you know, like there are two-way bike lane. I that worked out really well. Sure. Um, and it was nice. Yeah. And we've we've designed a lot of asymmetrical sections like that. It just depends on how much rightway you have and sometimes the destinations are more on one side and the residential is more on the other. So we have we have that flexibility. So and we'll illustrate as many different combinations as people are interested in to try to test those out to figure out, you know, what's the right fit for you for this quarter. And it it's not as one-sizefits-all on every quarter in the town, right? There might be different conditions on half of the quarter versus the other half of the quarter. Well, exactly like we were talking in front of Ralph stand up and that that might be the side to have the walking, you know, and then, you know, on the other side where more the big parking lots and everything like that, that'd be great for the two-way bike lane, you know, because you're not having people maybe that are standing out in front of the building, you know, five feet away and you've got bikes whizzing by, you know, so things like that. I just thought that was an interesting thing to bring up bring up is that asymmetry kind of planning. Definitely. Yes. I'm glad you raised that point. So then we have that as one

of the tools in the toolbox, right? So there's all different ways to put the corridor. There's probably 40 different combinations that we could fit in that right ofway. We haven't started to test it yet. We're before that stage, but yeah, considering that as one of the options I think is going to be important for the town, it Thank you, Commissioner Plum. I really appreciate your presentation. Um, and I really appreciate the way you want to include the town of Jupiter so um, well in the planning. My concern is with the public outreach that it's occurring in the summer and we do have a fair number of seasonal people here including seasonal people inqua that would use that cut through. Sure. So, um, I found it, you know, particularly interesting that you're doing the Zoom which I think is great because that will help with that as well as the surveys. Um, I do have a little concern that means that nobody can come to a focus group that might be a seasonal resident. Sure. So, I'm not sure if there's, you know, with with this schedule, it doesn't seem like there's a way to address that. Sure. So, we can include Zoom as part of the focus groups as well. So, that's one way to get there. Um, we have flexibility on our side, but the county's schedule is pointed towards a set of plans being completed by the end of the year. Um and and again we have availability as is right for the town. Um and so um so certainly take that into um you know into consideration. Um and um and see if there's some options to stretch the county schedule out. Um the county is expecting that it would complete the plans by the end of the year. And so to be able to consider any variations that might come through this process, the county is going to need those that input earlier so that it can it can get through that. But certainly hear that. It's a concern that we raised also as we laid the schedule out because the seasonality of Jupiter isn't subtle. Um it's it's significant. So we'll uh we'll we'll we'll we'll try to do our best.

Thank you. Okay. Absolutely. Thank you, Mr. Delaney. So uh next we'll uh hear from comments from the public. I can first have Lori Bailey step to the podium and after Miss Bailey if we can have Mr. John um Kaku you can come back and um state additional comments on this item if you like. Good evening. My name is Lori Bailey. I reside at 504 North Lockahhatchee Drive. Um the uh town of Jupiter had installed several pedestrian crosswalks recently and the town manager had told me um hey if anybody has any suggestions for additional ones let us know. So I did that and um my concern is on center street and they indicated well okay that's county road. Um, so they connected me with I guess the planning office. Mr. Schneider reached out to me and told me to come to this meeting to make my comments tonight. So I appreciate the opportunity to do that. So, since I live on Lockxahhatchee Drive, North Lockahhatchee, I frequently walk on Center Street with my dogs west and there is no crosswalk, no way to cross the street very safely. Um, because there's no crosswalk from Old Dixie all the way to Pennic. I don't know how far that is, but it seems like a lot when you're walking. I have three little dogs. It's a little bit risky. There are a lot of pedestrians and bicyclists um walking and riding there, even people with their children in strollers. And I have spoken to some of the people that live in that area. I think there's hundreds if not thousands of people

living in that area and they've said that they would really like to have a pedestrian crosswalk somewhere between Old Dixie and Penn um so that we could safely get across. I was walking there a couple of weeks ago and a nice man took a risk and stopped his pickup truck so that we could race across. Um, my only concern there is if I stumble and fall or if my dogs do. But since this is a a county road, perhaps this commission and the planning department could let that request be known uh to the county officials. What would be or whoever's going to be making the decision? because I think it would be helpful to a lot of people in that area. Thank you. Thank you. I think previously I'd mentioned about the issues with the area between I'll say Dolphin Drive and the railroad tracks and it was brought up by the council here. But in practicality, again, from someone that's lived on there 35, 40 years in walks and bikes and all that, it's not going to happen unless you move the buildings from the railroad tracks down to maybe three or four blocks west, there's no room. And so all these things with bike lanes on both sides and all this. And again, as I said earlier with Bright Line, you know, that whole Bright Line would have need to be expanded. It's just a bottleneck there that I think from a practical perspective, other than demolishing the whole thing and redoing it, you're going to have to deal with the limitations of all the things that they're going to want in this small area. Thank you. And next, if I can have Mr. Brett Leone to the podium.

Evening, commission. Uh, for the record, Brett Leone, 132 Barbados Drive. Kim, great great presentation as always. Uh, Treasure Coast Regional Planning Council does a great job, you know, both here and all the counties that you guys work with. So, really appreciate it. Um just just a couple comments and most of them will probably be raised at those meetings u that we'll be having. But just to to get on the record tonight, uh first off, whatever the county does, do not make it like the western part of Center Street, please. Um, I think that is probably one of the ugliest roads we have in Jupiter and and the county's infinite wisdom just seems to push that through and um made it pretty ugly. Uh talked a lot about pedestrian safety. Uh as previous speaker mentioned, I think that's that's key. You know, growing up here in Jupiter, I've I've traversed Center Street on practically every possible mode of transportation. um frequent that area pretty often with my kids. Jupiter Donuts is is one of the favorites and Sims House of course is as staff knows. Um you know, one one of the things it seems like the county wants to do with Center Street with putting in that center turn lane and thank you for for changing the terminology on that. Um you know, is to really move as many cars as possible, but Center Street is is honestly 95% residential. So, just think about putting a major threelane road with a center turn lane through any one of our neighborhoods. I think it's I personally not a design I would go for. I know the county will probably do what they want and with the help of of staff and, you know, you and the rest of your team, you know, implement elements that will make it safer for the vision zero in a complete street, which hopefully will help. But I don't think a center turn lane down the middle of of all of Center Street is is a smart design. And um you know, maybe more of a question for council. I know we have a council member

here, but any consideration for the town of Jupiter to take over that road and design it the way that we want it. We did it with A1A up at the um the inlet district. I think it turned out absolutely beautiful. Fantastic road up there, taking it from a four-lane road through this little village, turning it into a two-lane road with sidewalks and trees and landscaping. I think if uh if council would consider, you know, seeing what they can do to talk to the county to uh to take over control, then we can have more of a design impact. And um that's all I have. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. That's it. Thanks. Any uh anything further from the commission? I have a couple Sure. comments or questions. Um on the town versus the county on the um doing the roadway is the county solely responsible for the road and the town the sidewalks and bikes. Is it accumulative or is it the county has the final decision on sidewalks, bike lanes and road? So the county controls the entire right ofway and that would include everything in that ride ofway. So from it's going to be sidewalk. It's actually going to be drainage, sidewalk, bike facility, lanage. So the county controls all of it as it currently stands. Okay. Um, if there's interest in the focus groups, how would the general public know that they could either apply, volunteer, or inquire about specific focus groups regarding so I think Stephanie in the planning department is the right point of contact. My information is here as well, but it's easier for the public, I think, to communicate with town staff. I'm always available, but that way we can organize it. Yes, our staff can contact us. So, if um John Doe up the road doesn't know anything about this, but finds out something about it and says, "How come I

never heard anything?" And how could I have gotten on a focus group? How How would somebody be on a focus group? Is it for the general public or is it only for board members? I mean, we're including as many people as we can there. But I'm saying how would they learn about that? So, if if they contact our office or if they follow the notices from the the um community relations for the town in general, you those that kind of information is posted. It's pushed out in various vehicles. So, if we're made aware of somebody's interest, we will connect them to the appropriate or all of the options they have on how to be involved. Okay. Thank you. That's what I was trying to find out. Um, is there consideration for the town that when you have the uh public meetings that you would do as she stated as like institute a zoom a type of zoom or interactive? We will entertain all those options. So, you know, and we'll right side this as we go through the process. if we see we need more or to change and pivot, you know, we'll react to what kind of involvement we're we're seeing or is desired um to capture the most input we can get. because I understand some people even though they may not be able to come in person, they may not be able to zoom at the particular time, but if they could go back and watch it and then be able to submit like questions that may or may not be able to be answered by either the town staff or whoever was appropriate. Yeah, this same team is the team that worked on the CRA update and the the council um was expressing many accolades for the input and the processes that were followed. So, I have no doubt that we will be able to meet expectations. Okay. All right. Well, I appreciate that. Only other thing I have to say is I hope we don't make a turn lane wide as West is because everybody uses it as a turn lane in

their bike lane. So, I'm hoping that we're not planning on making a bike lane that's as wide as a regular lane. You know, that's a challenge because they retrofitted a sixlane facility. So, there, you know, there's some unique circumstances that resulted from that and it was, you know, an economic decision in some respects as to how that was done. Um, you know, that's one advantage this project has is it's basically an expansion out. So, it's not kind of dealing with the infrastructure that's there. more dangerous because everybody treats the that excessive bike lane as a turn lane. I understand. More dangerous for the bikers now than I think it was before. That's just my opinion for today. I'm good. Thank you. Thank you. Any other questions from the commission? Thank you, Mr. Lee. Thanks. Appreciate it. So, uh, we'll move on to staff update. So, um, Mr. if you could give us an update on recent town council actions on commission items, please. So, there haven't been many items moving forward. Um, so really just want to um Oh, sorry. Thank thanks everybody for participating this evening. We really appreciate everyone's input. Thank you for being here. Sorry, John. Um, but I do want to let you know, I think most of you know that your former um colleague on the the commission, Dan Gisinger, was appointed to the vacancy seat on council for the next year. Um so um we will he'll be um he will be at our next meeting um June 17th. Um no other items for approvals. Um just also want to follow up that the east entrance to the town hall is open as well as the associated parking in that area. So you have new options uh that are convenient to the chambers. And then also wanted to let you know that your July 8th meeting we expect to be able to cancel. We had one item, but uh

we contacted the applicant and they were um mean able to work with the August schedule. Um so it looks like we'll be able to give you a nice July 4th holiday week. Thank you. And when when will the uh other planning and zoning commissioners be appointed? Uh they are scheduled to be appointed on June 17th. So they'll be here for the August Correct. August meeting. Okay. Yes. Very good. Uh, would someone like to make a motion to adjurnn? Motion to adjurnn. Second. Second. All in favor? I. Any opposed? We're adjourned. Thank you. Thank you. I know that feeling, but still, John. Good to see you tonight. Good to see you, too. A little late. Hard to beat this