City Council - Regular Meeting

One minute. Oh, shoot. Must be time. We'll just turn that off. So much for silent mode. All right, we will Call the meeting to order to December 8th, 2025, 6 pm our regular schedule meeting. Roll call. Mayor Tney here. April Aand

here. Jane Rididgeway here. Alex Esquil here. Dr. Pam Sardo here. Gary Chap here. All right. If you'll stand for the pledge of allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for it stands one nation indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Maybe you'll do the invocation.

Thank you. Will you please bow your heads with me tonight? Heavenly Father, we are grateful for the countless blessings you have bestowed upon us. Thank you for the gift of Jesus who brings hope, love, and salvation. Help us celebrate this Christmas season with a thankful heart and recognizing your goodness. May our gratitude inspire others and may we live each day in appreciation of your grace and mercy. Be with and protect all of our first responders and allow us to make wise decisions for this city. In your name we ask. Amen. Amen.

All right. Now we are item 1.1. This is a presentation for the city employee of the year and supervisor of the year awards. Lisa Um, mayor and council. Um, traditionally we have presented our employee awards during the employee Christmas party. U, but this year we wanted everyone to hear just how exceptional and outstanding our employees are. Um, so I asked the mayor if we could do it at this meeting. Uh, before we just start into it, um, just as an administrator, I couldn't ask for more supportive staff. each person is dedicated not only to excelling in their individual roles um but also supporting the organization as a as a team Josephine. So once a year we take a moment to recognize those uh who have gone above and beyond expectations and we're going to start with uh employee of the year and then we also have award for supervisor of the year. So, uh, if the department is head is here, they'll present their awards and if the recipient will u hang out just for a minute for a picture and at the end we'll ask mayor if you'll come down and we'll get a picture of everyone. Okay, chief.

It's not turn. Thank you, Mayor Council visitors. If I can get Christopher B to come up with his family, Miranda and their children. So, I can get in this wrong, but Officer B came to us as a reserve for about a month and he went full time with us in 24. He's about to get his intermediate license. He's doing some training today. So, he's kind of running a little bit late. But he's gone through the academy at Dallas County Sheriff's Office. went to the North Texas Central Academy I guess in Arlington before he came here. He also served in the United States Army first class and he is our field train one of our field training officers that trains all the new people that come here and everything. So he's a valable part of our police department. Uh so I would like to congratulate him for being named officer of the year Christopher. He's also going to get officer of the year tomorrow from the chamber of commerce in city. So he's two of

All right. Uh, Chief Florentino couldn't be here. He is at a u a conference this week, but he asked me to deliver the following remarks. So, he is awarding a volunteer of the year award to Kenny McCarti. So Kitty McCarti exemplifies true leadership. For the past 10 years, he has been a vital part of the Josephine Volunteer Fire Department, dedicating countless hours to organizing, leading, and continually raising the standard of service provided to the community. He has served as fire chief twice during that time. But what truly sets Kenny apart is that he has never uh been focused on title, only on delivering the highest level of care and service possible. whenever he held the position of chief or not. During discussions about the volunteer fire department transition under the city, uh Kenny uh took a proactive approach. He encouraged all department members to pursue state firefighter certification and obtain uh medical credentials. As a result, the majority of the department is now certified in both areas, significantly easing the transition and furthering um the level of service provided to our community. Um, Chief Florentino says when he joined the organization, Kenny welcomed him with wholeheartedly and offered his full support. Um, as they discussed during the transition, uh, he stepped up and he began tackling tasks without hesitation. His assistance and dedication have played an important role in getting us to where we are today. And he is sincerely grateful for Kenny's contributions and support. Sorry.

Thank you. The next one is my pleasure to give out employee of the year for administration, Shannon Anderson. Um, as HR manager, Shannon has dedicated um is dedicated to meeting the needs of all of our employees. We now have 38 staff members, including our new construction inspector who started today. We'll be adding five more employees during uh the next month, including uh public safety administrative assistant and four captains uh for fire. And more than a dozen volunteers will be moving over to the city side. Um Shannon, uh not only onboards our employees, uh but she also plays a vital played a vital role this year in coordinating interviews for our new fire chief and supporting uh the department's transition. Um there's a lot of nuances u for that police and and fire pay to work out. The position was once combined with finance, but as our organization has grown, Shannon has taken on the challenge of building our HR department from the ground up. She's implemented a streamlined evaluation process, launched an employee survey this year uh to provide leadership um with some valuable feedback from our employees. Uh there's much more that could be said, but um for this year especially, uh Shannon is truly deserving of the employee year for administration. All right. Uh, public works employee of the

year is next. I'm going to let Garrett deliver that one. for employee of the year for public works. I'm going to present to Kyle um for his ex exceptional performance and reliability and he's adapt to overcome our daily challenges in public works that we find every day. Um he's been a great asset to the team. He's grown tremendously over the last few years that he's been working here. Um but yeah, you just Sorry, big brother. Sorry. All right, we're going to move on to supervisor of the year and take it back to you, Chief Graham. If I can get Adam over and Janice and their children step up here, please. So uh Adam came to us about three years ago. U he made promoted to sergeant back in 24 and he's recently just moved from patrol sergeant to criminal investigation division. He's also handling all the property room and handling the training

for all the officers that they have to do the mandated stuff. He's been a police officer probably almost 20 years about 18 years and something. He's a police instructor. He's a firearms instructor. He's got his mental health certificate. I could go on and on, but he is the uh he will be the first recipient of the supervisor of the year. We've never been big enough to get that award, but now we are. So, his name will be the first one on the plat. So, congratulations. Sorry. All right. The next one um is also mine to deliver and this is administration supervisor of the year and this award goes to Melissa Stillwell. As our finance director, Melissa consistently goes above and beyond for our organization. Uh she works to keep our budget on track um paying close detail um paying close attention to every detail and she ensures that each department has what they need to succeed. Uh she also makes my life and my job a lot easier. Much of her hard work happens behind the scenes, but her dedication shows in everything she does. She's dependable, hardworking, and always willing to step in uh no matter what the task is asked of her. Her honesty is refle refreshing, and she will absolutely tell you the truth. But she pairs that straightforwardness with an incredible work ethic. Um when something needs to get done, Melissa gives it her all. Her commitment to integrity makes her an invaluable part of our team. Melissa's contributions have strengthened our workplace in

countless ways and she's truly deserving of being recognized as um a supervisor of the year. CONGRATULATIONS RIGHT. Public works supervisor of the year.

Uh this year the supervisor of the year for public works goes to Victor Holly. You can bring your family here and all that. um for your dedication, your leadership, and your long cold nights and your commitment to the team. Um it it has not gone unnoticed. Everything you've been impressed last impressions appreciation Congratulations to all of our um award winners. Um if you would come down real quick for a picture with the mayor. So if you received an award, if you would just step up here. And I think the mayor, are you going to come around, mayor?

Yeah, unless they all left. I think they're still here. We can just get a quick picture.

Off the edge. This way.

Duck. Duck. Come on. Sorry. All right. Before we move on, I would just like to reiterate that we wanted to move. We're not going to be able to do that every year as we grow obviously, but I felt it was a good opportunity to do that with the council and um you know, introduce the council to some of our employees and you know, um council I feel like sets the tone for leadership in the city and then, you know, our our leaders and leadership positions set the tone for the people in the field. and I think we have a very very good group of employees. So, um I'd love to see that tradition continue where you know the the people in the field love showing up to work for the city of Josephine. So, thank you all again. Another big round of applause for all of our great employees. And then also before we move, I'd like to uh say welcome to all our new new elected council members. Uh, April Arion and Pam, I mean, uh, Pam, she was reelected,

but uh, Jane Jane Rididgeway and then, uh, Pam with her re-election. Congratulations. Reelected, was you? Yeah. Well, there you go. Alex, too. So, uh, welcome the new members and the ones that are already here. So, uh, thank y'all. All right, moving on. the uh consent agenda. Do citizen comment I mean citizens comment. Do we have any citizens here who would like to come up and speak? I don't have any cards.

Okay. Anybody that didn't fill out a card? All right. We will move on. Now we are on to Item three, the consent agenda.

Jason, I'd like to pull out a couple things quickly. Um, I'd like to pull out 3.1, 3.3, 3.4, 3.5, and 3.6. And I'll try to make it really quick. So, that means 3.2. If you want to have a motion for that one. I'll make a motion to accept the ACG and public safety building report. Okay. Is the microphone on? Oh, that's Oh, yes, it is. Actually,

you have to talk really close. Pull it a little bit closer, maybe. And I'll second. All right. Voting signs in favor. Can we make the motion again, please? Oh, they didn't hear it. Make it again. I'll make a motion to accept the ACGM report on the public safety building.

And then the item. We have a second. Yeah, I I second it. All right, we have a second. Voting signs in favor. All right. All in favor? Okay.

Okay. Uh very quickly on 3.1 for the November minutes um which includes the October minutes under section 3.1 um the content um the planner graciously agreed to remove certain content but it's still present on the um on the agenda embedded as well as the internet under 4.14 um of the November minutes, you need um my only question is um that we do have an ordinance that was agreed to regarding the carts at the last time, which is understandable. Um but I just didn't know how that ordinance is going to be communicated to the comm community because Christmas cart parades are already being planned.

What ordinance? I'm sorry. Okay. So, four. Okay. So, 3.1 in the October minutes, the content was to be removed under the planner. Okay. Thank you. Under 4.14 of the November minutes. My question is, how will the ordinance change of the carts be communicated to the community because holiday parades are being planned? So, this is on the golf carts. Um, we will get out some information. We're a little bit late getting it out. That's true. But, uh, we will I'm sure the caption has been published by now. Um, and we will put some information out. In fact, I think there's a mischief maker in town that may actually be planning uh to help get some of that information out this year. So,

Okay, good. Um, shortly I'll get the golf card information out, but thank you for bringing it up. Yeah, because the social media is enjoying this season. Okay. under 4.16 of the November minutes. Um it's wonderful that the MDD um has been bylaws have been worked on. When will the openings be posted? We just finished the application. Um we've got like a trifold brochure. So we're approing that and we're going to get it up. Should be this week. Um along with the um a link to the bylaw so everyone can see what they're signing up for. So should be this week. Thank you. and we'll leave that out for probably till after the first of the year.

Okay. Thank you. That answers everything. On the Dunaway report um out of the consent agenda, is it possible to just share what the positive or negative impact to the city is of the wildflower delay? We've seen that for several months. Um is there a water issue water plus or minus impact? Revenue plus or minus impact? Jonathan, do you wanna I don't know if you want to do the financial. I can try on the financials. So, it's not going to affect us at all right now. Um, we knew there was going to be a delay. We weren't exactly sure. I don't think we wrote in expected revenue from Wildflower. Uh, just what we already have online.

Okay. Thank you. Under 3.4 Kemley Horn, um, there was a mention of results of 703 East Cook Street flood study. Um, is there any result that is able to be shared because of the proximity to the wastewater treatment and homes? So, we actually had a delay in our review. So, I'm hoping to have that over to the city tomorrow. Um, so I don't know the answer right now, but that should be in the report. Okay. Thank you. And that's all I have for that for planning. Um, Lisa, you're Miguel tonight, right?

I'm going to try. Kirk may have to help me, but what do you have? That's good. Okay. So, under the comp plan, it comprehensive plan that was passed a couple years ago, it said there's going to be 11 units in Harvest Ben, but there in the planning report, it said there's a phase two and phase three. And I didn't understand if that's because it's s two separate phase, you know, could you explain a little bit more? I didn't understand why there's for only 11 units why there's a need for phase two and phase three. It's it's just under review at this time. So Kirk, do you have any more detail on that? I do not.

But I I will make a note and I'll email them and be happy to provide that to all of you. Okay. Okay. Because I I had several more. So should I Sure. email them and just pend this report till the next ma meeting then you can if you'd like.

Okay. Then I Okay. So then my last question about 3.6 Six for water is that is it possible for the staff to share what reports are being submitted to the EPS and TC EQ like regarding POS or anything else because um that's not in the water report and is there any action needed uh regarding peaks and valleys of water pressure as we continue to grow and more buildings are having water flow through them so the water pressure doesn't sink um a Um Garrett, do you or Kirk want to address the reports that are submitted to the state?

Um we have our monthly reports for issue or send out to them. Um it's just a monthly usage. Our chlorine disinfectant residuals. We do them quarterly. Annually we send in CCRs, our POS, um all that good stuff. But nothing is they're not asking for anything back or any remediation. Correct. No, all all of our stuff is within proper standards. Um, and as far as the pressures and stuff, we have usage. So, we have a five foot, we have two separate schedules that we keep for winter time. We shrink it down a little bit

as far as like filling so we get more usage during the summer time. So, we can basically water usage is more in the summertime obviously with irrigations and all that. So whenever we we have two separate schedules, we shrink it down so it h has more turnover in the water towers in the winter time versus in the summer time. Okay. Different footages to change that.

Thank you. Um so with all of that, I would um be happy to approve the rest of the consent agenda except keep 3.5 for the next meeting. So, um, I'll move to approve the rest of the consent agenda except leaving 3.5 for the planning section for the next city council. I make a second. We have a second. Voting signs in favor. Voting signs oppose. All right.

Thank you. New business item 4.1 says discuss consider and act regarding selection of the mayor prom. I'll make um I'll I'd like to move that um Gary Chapel be mayor prom sitting in the right seat. I'll second that. Okay, we have a Did Did y'all hear her in her mic? Yes. Okay, so we have a second. Voting signs in favor.

I'm assuming for myself. Sure. Thank you, everybody. Congratulations. All right. Item 4.2 or 4 point. Yeah, 4.2. discuss, consider, and possibly act regarding request from a resident Bethany Walgreens to establish a Josephine Historical Society or similar organization to preserve Josephine history.

Um, so I don't know what to say, but um, I've done a lot of history and one-on-one talking to people gets kind of hard. know we've lost a lot of people with good knowledge as well. So just a maybe like a quarterly thing where we can maybe meet in the um new facility. Um nothing pressure or anything like that. I don't even think it would cost money. Just needing a place to meet and socialize and share all the weird history we have together. That's So Bethany, thank you. Um, I appreciate that. And, um, you're being very modest. I know that you have a lot in your head that we need to preserve.

Yes. Um, I would like to ask you a question. Um, I've done a little bit of benchmark marking myself and sometimes it's under the city and sometimes it's independent. Okay. Um, there are some comments out there that an independent nonprofit rather than being part of the city government offers you more freedom. Okay. Do you have a preference or um there could be broader community appeal or focusing and networking with people who have been here a long time?

No, I have no preference at all. I will just need help on how to move forward and what the best I guess process would be to get the most people. Um again, I'm not worried about um if it needs to be the 501 is it 3C? That's totally fine as well. So, I just thought y'all would probably have more of a wheelhouse of how to go about it properly. So, well, we we might not even need to go that route. Okay. If what entered my mind and I was really really happy that you brought this up because and I'm thinking maybe quarterly might be too far away. Okay. Because some of those people have history there. Yeah. To go.

I just didn't I don't want it to feel like um another thing that they have to come do. I just really want um especially I know there's probably be like four or five women who have 90% of the information. So, well, and with the um the seniors trying to meet up at the community center, it might be a way to bring more of those in if Absolutely. Yeah, maybe you and I can get together and and talk about that.

That would be great. I would I'm open. I' I've been talking about it for I think five years. So, I'd just like to everybody's like, "Let's just go have a cup of coffee or whatever and it just never happens." So, feel like if it was something a little less overwhelming and one-on-one where it was a group setting, you know, might feel more welcoming to people to show up or they know that this person will be there that's comforting to them instead of just some random me, you know. So, and if um Jane's a good one to help you if you need some backup behind the scenes, I'm willing to help you as well. You could also go to the Farmersville Historical Society. They do a really good job. Okay. And just ask to meet with them and they probably give you a lot of good ideas as well.

Okay. Yeah. And I've seen that building. Um and that that's I have a couple of little I guess historical I guess groups that I've been wanting to go just drop in on. So, I guess that's all I have. My recommendation is independent from the city. Okay. Yeah, that totally fine. Thank you. But we definitely would like you guys partnering with us for sure. I I love the idea um as well. I mean, just was the last month we were approving a gate fencing in front of one of our cemeteries, right? So, keeping that history alive is important to me and I think it's important to everybody that's here. So, I I appreciate you stepping up and and wanting to take on this.

Absolutely. I'll just I'll keep talking to y'all and figure out where we go. We'll make it happen. Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you. Oh jeez. All right. This is uh public hearing 4.3. We will uh open a public hearing at 6:32 p.m. This is uh case number Z25-002-101 103 and 107 East Cook Street.

Um Jason, could I ask you a question and and attorney Dillard as well before we start because some of these um the public hearing I apologize for being out of order. the um because the way it's worded that we we would have to we can't ask too many details because it's zoning, but everything that's on the table right now would have to be considered as far as types of businesses. My question is, do we need to do 4.6 first, which will it allow us to talk about no car washes before going back to 4.3? I'm just asking if that's reasonable. you know, does that make sense?

So, basically change change that just change the order because change to commercial. It's going to apply regardless though, right? Yeah. I don't know. Could you advise us, Attorney Gill, you can take the public hearings in any order? Uh, the question Yeah. The question is that if we adopt a change in ordinance tonight, does that grandfather the ones previous or does do they still follow to all the commercial policy that we changed in 4.6? It's it's a it's a procedural question. Yeah, you can you can go ahead change the text before you that was my

but the impact is is would it matter? That's the question. Would it matter? He's saying, would it matter if we changed it afterwards? When you change the text, everything after that will be affected by that change. So, yes, if you put one use in a different category, then the next zone case comes up, they'll have to go in that category. Um,

so everything commercial up to this point would not apply to the change that we do tonight. Is that true or false? This this change will not grandfather. They'll all be nonconforming uses. But guys, the discussion we've had is that you would entertain them application zone of those properties that are already in the category that's going away too so that they can eliminate it. They're not conforming. And that's because it's zoning. It's not they become conforming if they change to So if we change it afterwards, it they conform to what we change it to.

Thank you. I appreciate the clarification. So we're good to move forward as as they are.

All right. So I've already opened the public hearing. This uh go back. This is the uh hearing to consider testimony on reszoning requests by the applicant Oldtown Josephine LP to amend the zoning ordinance and zoning map of the city of Josephine each being a part of the code of ordinance from SF1 single family residential and C general commercial business other than retail to C general commercial business other than retail on three parcels of land totaling approximately 1.8 acres of land located at 101, 103, and 107 East Cook Street. You want to you want to speak on behalf or

Go ahead.

Good evening, Mayor.

Good evening. It's been a while. new protown and new council members. I'm Randy Pototts with Harvest Real Estate Companies representing Oldtown Josephine, one of the managing members. So, I was expecting uh Miguel to be here, but I'll I'll try to wing it, do the best I can. Um, so this property is directly across the street. Uh, part of it is has an old old zoning classification as I understand it. Part of it is single family. We just like to have it all zoned under this commercial zoning in one piece. It's shown on the master plan uh has to be commercial. Actually, I think they have like a city district, but the city does not have a city. I may not use the right nomenclature, but a city district.

Yeah, we don't have that yet. We don't have that zoning yet. No. So, we just want commercial zoning on it. And I I thought it was local retail. I'd have to go look at the zoning for future use. I can help just a little bit. I think I've got Miguel's notes here. So, he says, "While the property at 101 East Cook is designated on the city zoning map as C, general commercial property, um, this is due to a scribers error." So, uh, when the maps were made, so there is no reasonzoning case on record that amended the zoning of that property to general commercial. As such, this resoning case includes the property at 101 East Cook, just that one.

Okay. um to remedy that error along with the other two addresses. Okay. So, we had something similar on the corner piece here. We have the we resone this two years ago. It had that same zoning classification. It was shown on the city's uh website, the city's plan. So, I don't know was that a scrier's error also? I don't know. But C2. Yes. C. Do we have the map to put up of the zoning of no for what we have? So it's an update proposed basically. Is that correct? What I would tell?

Yes. So it uh I think he did it kind of as a safety measure just to make sure even though it's been identified um as that zoning for I'm not sure how many years. I think he thought it best just to make sure everything was included properly. Yes. Just to make sure there was no problem going forward. Yes. And the property behind it just got zoned. uh city commercial um just following the comp plan for it. Yeah, that's what I was asking. Do Lisa, do we have the comp plan to put up or no? And PNZ approved it unanimous and was recommendation of staff to have it approved. It's going to take a second. She's got to get it.

Uh while she's doing that, um the notice of public hearing was published in the newspaper. Uh letters were mailed to the owners of the properties located within 200 feet of the subject properties. Um as of this date, no letters of support or opposition have been received and Miguel had recommended approval.

All right. Is that the comp plan? It's a zoning map. Current zoning map. I was looking for the future comp plan. Yeah. Do we have that? She's bringing it. future land use or comprehensive. Well, future land use should be in the comprehensive.

There you go. Okay.

It's the red. It's the red. And red is what? I think he called it. Is it town center? What? How did he identify this? City town center. Yeah, it seems to be compatible. Yeah, it looks all right. Thank you.

Is there anybody else who would like to come up and speak? Hi, it's been Elizabeth Boyce. Uh we are over on East Street and have been following all of the comprehensive planning for the city of Josephine and and like we sort of understand right as a small town develops into something bigger that changes are going to happen. And I think our biggest we we didn't voice opposition or anything to the changes because we kind of know that it's coming. We just are hesitant to see things like a car wash going. Not not that it's a car wash is a problem, but you know like being mindful of what we're actually developing within our city.

Don't we have enough car washes already around

district? I know you do. But like, you know, when when we think about growth within the city center area, we think downtown McKini and small business and restaurants and things that really like bring people together and give you that feel that our like city center already has, things that make it safe for us to walk on the sidewalks and cross the roads and have our kids go back and forth. And so I feel like it's one of those things where there's things that we're like, "Yeah, we get that that's going to happen with commercial and other things that we're like, wait, you're not going to do that, right?" And so that's what makes it hard for us to like there's just a general sure it's commercial non retail and I'm like, "What the heck does that mean?" So as someone who just lives on the street over and having a historic house, right? Our house is 100 plus years old and we don't want to see it torn down. Not just because of us, but because that's a big part of our history, right? Like having It was sad to see the house go and it was a corner lot and we get that that's happens. It's prime real estate, but you know, like wanting to maintain that feel of what we have. So, I don't know. I guess that's that's not really a question. just like sentiment from what we're experiencing as we see, you know, see Josephine grow and wanting to like maintain the small town feel even if we get bigger. So that's that's our experience. So thank you.

Thank you. Thank you, Elizabeth. Anyone else? If not, we'll close the public hearing 6:43 p.m. and we'll open it up for discussion. council. Um, I have one question for attorney Dillard again. Um, for correcting Scrier's errors, there's supposed to be a chain of convincing evidence like emails, testimony showing the original intent. Do we have anything like that to put on record? My understanding is it got put on the zoning map without an ordinance having been passed. Okay.

So, I don't think that's a scriven error. I think that's just an omission. Somebody jumped the gun or else just made a mistake and put it on the zoning map. And the other two parcels uh are already already on it. And I think this was included to clarify. Okay. To cover that because you you can't put it on the map unless there's an ordinance passed to to amend the map. That's what the these three ordinances will do. Okay. All right. Well, thank you for teaching me. I appreciate that. That's all I have.

Ju just to clarify too, Miguel looked for the same thing. So, he went backwards and he could not find an ordinance on that. So, he felt like this would be kind of to um go ahead and complete it as good measure. That way, it's official. And uh also too on the car wash, um staff's talked about that and uh I think everyone is in agreement that that would be something that we would want to change um in the future is to not have a car wash in the middle of the downtown area. that might be more appropriate to have in another zoning district uh whether it's industrial or something else or um allow it outside uh maybe you on the other other end of town or outskirts of town but not right in the middle. So I know he's got plans to bring that change forward. I'm not sure if he was intending to do that with the um the UDC as we go through it or if he was going to do that separately. Um, thank you Lisa for that clarification. How on when the residents of Fountain View came forward last year when the developer on the other side of Sebastian at the edge of Fountain View came forward and said, "How about a car wash looking at a small restaurant or something?" And he talked about fencing and all that. Um there was a statement by residents that they did not want a car wash because we have water restrictions and you asked him if he could take that out.

Yes, ma'am. So that was a plan development. So those are will have specific uses listed within them. So it's a little bit different. These are straight zoning. So whatever is listed in that zoning car uh category would be allowed kind of as by right. Um but the one you're speaking of, it was a planned development and they did remove the car wash as a use in that development. Okay. For that um for that zoning. Thank you. And just to clarify, not not to be argumentative, but we don't have water restrictions. We have a schedule that we run, which all other cities run of a it's set in time and certain times of the year to where we run that water schedule. So

we we are in stage two and have not gone back to stage. do it during the water like during the peak season of watering though that's we move it's been in effect since April. Do you know when we might remove it? It goes it's now it just goes off. It only goes in on the set dates we it's a set date for and that goes out as a schedule. You can at certain addresses can only water twice a week and it's strictly for um people not to waste water. That's all it is. All cities do that. It's we're not the only one doing this. All big cities have some kind of water. Most everyone on the uh everyone that gets water from North

Not saying I want a car wash there. I'm just clarifying that we're not we're not under restrictions. We do that intentionally. That's that's intentionally to reserve and not have over consumption. I didn't know the stage two was lifted. So, thank you. Yeah. I don't know what the exact dates are, but they're set in place. April 1st to October 31st every year. It's a conservation plan requirement. Got it. Got it. But I didn't I thought it was still in and it's a partnership with North Texas Municipal Water District. Yep. Thank you. I appreciate that clarification. Our family will be happy. Any other discussion or questions on this item? I move to approve case number C25-002 as presented.

I'll second. We have a second. Voting signs in favor. All in favor? Okay,

next item 4.4. This is a another public hearing. So, we will open the public hearing at 6:48 p.m. This is case number Z25-00003- 913 West Cook Street. U we will hold a public hearing to consider testimony on a reszoning request by the applicant Oldtown Josephine LP to amend the zoning ordinance and zoning map of the city of Josephine each being a part of the code of ordinances from SF1 single family residential to C general commercial business other than retail on approximately 2.496 496 acres of land located at 913 West Cook Street. Do you like to come up?

Hello, Randy.

Okay. Um, so again, this is on Cook Street, uh, where the city wants commercial properties to to be built over time. We own the adjacent property to the east, 2.5 acres. We had it reszoned last year for commercial. Um, as I understand it, I talked to the neighbor to the west. Uh, he said he's got the bee farm. He said his is already zone commercial. So, we're located in between two commercial properties. It's following the comp plan. Uh, we're requesting the commercial designation on this property also. and staff recommended it and um was unanimous at PNC.

I think this was one that I questioned when those were zoned in the first place. Yeah, we're I'm not I'm not No, but but it's like that was another one where the map wasn't quite right. So, I think we just need to do this one to make it all right. Yeah, you were here. You were in the audience. You brought it up. I remember. Oh, yeah. Uh and the other tracks you were talking about earlier on the PD, that's not we're not anything to do with that. That's beside this track. these properties. It's not our It's not our development. It's just the one kind of in between the that PD's in between. That PD is in between this and the corn. We have a small one. That's the next one on the Sebastian corner. We're kind of the book ends. And that's another track. Another track.

Yeah. Okay. Is there anybody else who would like to come up and speak? Not. We will close the public hearing at 12 or 612 6:51 p.m. Council, do y'all need to see the uh draw the map again or it's in the same general location.

And just for the record, u notices were um circulated in the newspaper. Letters were mailed to the adjacent property owners within 200 ft. Uh, no letters of support or opposition have been received for this case and Miguel recommended approval. Is there any discussion? We'll make a motion. I'll make a motion to approve changing 913 West Cook from single family to C general commercial other than retail. I'll second.

We have a second. Voting signs in favor. All in favor? All right. Item 4.5. It's a public hearing. We will open the public hearing at 6:52 p.m. It's case number Z25-00004, 603 West Cook Street. It's a public hearing to consider testimony on a reszoning request by the applicant Oldtown Josephine LP to amend the zoning ordinance and zoning map of the city of Josephine each being a part of the code of ordinances from the SF1 single family residential to C general commercial business other than retail on approximately 438 acres of land located at 603 West Cook Street. Um, so this would is the southwest corner of Sebastian and Cook. Um, it's again it's on the comp plan commercial properties. Um, it's probably the smallest track I've zoned in Josephine. Um, there was a house on it that was not in very good shape at all. People were breaking into it. that we had to tear it down. We've left enough um space there that we could do a small retail type thing. I don't know, kiosk or something. Um it's less than a half an acre in size and we would like to request the commercial zoning on that as well and it was approved uh PNZ unanimous and staff recommended it.

What's a kiosk? Um, it's a freestanding I mean, you know, like coffee thing. I'm not saying it's a coffee store, but I'm just saying like a free, you know, freestanding little building. That's probably just a smaller food truck. Yeah. I mean, a food truck that's bigger. It's a permanent fix permanent fixture. Okay. Like you see in the parking lots of Walmart and stuff similar to stuff like that. Okay, got you. Back the old photo booth thing. the old photo. I'm thinking this computer out there that we order stuff. Yeah. Yeah. There you go. There you go. Oh, okay. Gotcha. There they are. Thank you.

Anybody would like to come up and speak. All right. We will close the public hearing at 6:54 p.m. Council floor is open. Just for the record, no. Um, everything was published as it was supposed to be. um letters were mailed out and no letters of support in opposition um or in favor of were received back and Miguel recommended approval. There's no discussion. We have a motion. I'll make a motion to approve case number Z25-00004.

I'll second it. We have a second. Voting signs in favor. All in favor? All right. Item 4.7, discuss, consider, and take appropriate action to adopt a resolution adopting a re or 4.6. My bad. This is the continuation. We don't have to open this, right? It's because it's continued. We're just continuing. So, you need to continue it, please. Yeah, we're just continuing.

A motion to continue. So this is um from the last meeting. This is a public hearing that we were continuing um and we're asking to continue this to the next. He's requesting February. Yeah, February. Um where Miguel will be here. So, I'll make a motion to continue case number CA25-00002-C2 February 2026 city council meeting. Second.

All right, we have a second. Voting signs in favor. All in favor? Okay. Now, 4.7. This is discussed. Consider an act to take appropriate action to adopt the resolution approving a reimbursement agreement with Brightland Homes Ltd, providing for the construction and acquisition of public improvements within the Josephine Public Improvement District number one and authorizing the mayor to execute said reimbursement agreement in the name of and on behalf of the city of Josephine. Hey. Um, mayor and council, a few meetings ago, we discussed the status of Morgan Farms and Morningside PIDs. Uh, Rudy is here from Park uh, McCall, Parkhurst, and Horton. Not that Horton, another one is here to give a brief overview and answer questions regarding uh, these reimbursement agreements. Uh, reimbursement um, the agreements reimburse the developer from bonds um, to be issued. Um, and this these are the Bill Wait original pit properties and they've been through a owner change and name change since then. Rudy. Good evening, Mayor Mayor Prom, members of the council. My name is Rudy Sagura. I apologize for my tone. I'm a little under the weather. Um, I'm with McCall Parkerson Horton Law Firm. We're a law firm based in Dallas, Texas. We're 106 years old. I think I met some of y'all in October. Um, we represent maybe 40% of all political subdivisions in the state of Texas. So, we represent the city. I've had the pleasure of working with Patty since uh 2012, 2013. How many city employees were there at the time?

Four.

Little building over there. Uh, and I look back then the city's property tax base was 38 million and now you're pushing 400 million. So, that's a,000% tax growth like 10, you know, 12 years. So, uh, I was, you know, helped out in some things like this city hall. It's like a two-year long project. Um, but one of the things we do is we help the city when they're trying to encourage development and not so much encourage development, but encourage development to come inside city limits. And so, that's what uh that's where the public improvement district comes in. Uh, you know, you showed that map, you have this massive ETJ. within 10 years, you're going to be surrounded by thousands and thousands of homes, right? So, you want as many of those to be in city limits, paying taxes, and not outside of city limits. So, uh we did, you know, work a little bit on the development of these agreements. Four years ago, um we helped create the public improvement districts and the names are a little confusing. So, when a developer comes, uh a lawyer gives us a petition says, "Please, please create a public improvement district called this." And sometimes, you know, we don't get too creative. So, the first one was Josephine Pit number one. And we've had some developers, they give us a name and then we go, we get further along and they say, "Wait, I want to change the name." I'm like, "Well, that's you gave us a petition that had this name. We called a public hearing on this name. It's got to be this name. We got to start all over again." So, right now, Josephine has two public improvement districts. The first one, uh, they're both, you know, put together by Mr. White. Um the first one we call city of Josephine or Josephine public Improvement District number one. Uh it is more commonly known as Morningside that call they can change the marketing and call it Creek Liberty Patriot Village whatever it is. There's so many I I have so many pits with the name Patriot Creek uh and uh yeah just all over. So they they it's

just a marketing thing. It's being I think marketed as Morningside, but is Josephine PID number one. Uh the the the second PID that was created about maybe two years later was Morgan Farms and uh that one was petition asked for it to be called Morgan Farms public Improvement District. So you have two you have Joseph Pit number one and Morgan Farms Pit. Um I guess two fairly different projects. Uh I think Robert Nicholas is here with representing the developers. uh both developers um you know as as is the case a lot of developers come in they find a nice piece of land if I had extra money that's what I do I find a nice big piece of land on somebody's outer city limits I buy it I title it and flip it and so you know they have this this piece of land they get a a development agreement that requires a public improvement district basically you know 20 years ago the developer came into town they wanted to build a subdivision they put the roads down. They put the streets down. They put the sidewalks down. They put the drainage down and they dedicate to the city. It's free and it's yours to deal with forever, right? Not anymore. Now, they put the roads down, they put the sidewalks down, all this stuff, and they want you to buy it from them. All right? And this is this is what we do now in Texas. So, uh the city has entered into development agreements for both these these projects. Um there are a lot of steps involved in the public improvement district creation and bond issuance process. This is one of them. This project has been going on for a long time. We're almost at the point where the developer is about to hand over all this infrastructure to the city for the city to accept and own. Before that can happen, we need to have an agreement that the developer isn't just giving it. It's it's it's going to be reimbursed at some feature date either

with either directly with assessments. We call that a payo pit where the developer just agrees to take repayment over 30 years on the assessments with interest. City doesn't pay for that. It's all all the homeowners, right? There there's no 99.9% no recourse against the city. The only real recourse is like federal tax stuff, which is pretty rare. But um that's one way. The other way is we put the assessments down and then we is the city issues bonds secured by those assessments. Those yield the developer a little less cash but they get it today not slowly over 30 years. So, so that we're at the point where we need to get these reimbursement agreements uh signed and sealed so the developer can go ahead do the final plat dedicate the land and then we'll worry about reimbursement or PID bonds assessment in PIDs later probably in early 2026. Um there will be a lot more steps. you'll see a lot more of me and our P3. Um, these PID documents are hundreds of pages long. So, we'll be the city has a team of consultants that have done, you know, more PIDs than most around the state. You have Hilltop Securities as your financial adviser. Jim Sabonis in particular has done a lot. You have P3. Uh, you have McCall Parkhurst. uh you know the city will engage an underwriter that has done hundreds of these and you'll have a be 30 people working a lot to make this deal happen in a very compressed time frame and then we just bring it to y'all for approval. So, but this step, you know, often times we would be doing this at the day we issue pit bonds whenever we've we've already we've called public hearings to levy the assessments. We had the public hearing. We we've had the underwriters market the bonds. We come to y'all with

the bond sale. You you levy the assessments on the property. You sell bonds uh secured by those assessment. You prove like 20 agreements and one of those would be a reimbursement agreement. This project is so far along though that this needs to happen quickly. And so that's that's the the request for the C and and we do this from time to time for other reasons this project. So some of the projects some developers come to you before they have anything. Bill haven't turned us a grain of sand and they say finance this for us. Some cities do that and you're uh those are a little more complicated uh but you're you're issuing dirt bonds where there's nothing there. This is the opposite. that this is a reimbursement bond that they a developer has used their own funds pay for all of it now they just want to be repaid from the assessments that is the I'll say that's a little more straightforward maybe less risky uh because we we have something there we have a product there's a bunch of lots that are ready to sell as opposed to we have nothing and we don't know what the market's going to look like two years from now when that when we when we do have lots for sale. So with that uh there are two different reimbursement agreements. One of the developments was assigned to uh Brightland Homes uh which is actually now been is merged with a very large national home builder. Name is escaping me. Um

is no Brightland who's Brightland bought out by it. Okay. Anyhow, I knew when I was driving here.

Um, and the second one is Meritage Homes of Texas, which is an Arizona company, not a Texas company, but Meritage Meritage Homes of Texas LLC, which is a Arizona limited liability company. Uh, these would just get the the reimbursement agreements themselves don't obligate the city to do anything other than when and if assessments are levied, you'll use that to reimburse the developer. But the agreement by itself doesn't really have much value other than it gives us it gives the the city and the abil and the developer the ability to levy assessments to reimburse this infrastructure. Once they dedicate it, you can't do that. Once it once the city owns it, the city can't buy something it already owns. That makes sense.

So Rudy, these are usually dedicated by plat. Is that correct? Yes. and they're about ready to file their final plat. That that's that's that's the the impetus. Yeah. So, with that, I will open it up uh to any questions. I have a question.

Is there a timeline of everything that has happened? Because I went I struggled with this for like two days going back just through the records that I had and the WWC went with Josephine only ever talked about the 55.211 acres, the the strip that comes down here and the strip that goes across and back to the mayor's house. That was I thought that was Morning Side and Morgan Farms. But I'm thinking now it's Morningside all the way here and then Morgan Farms is above that with 80 some odd acres 87 acres in and I missed that part in all of the tracking.

I got a picture. Okay. So, so one is 55 acres, the other one is 87 45 and 45 Morgan farms. So it's almost 90 and then it's 50 almost 55 acres morning side across this. So here's the amount the purple is morning side that'll be that's the Josephine public Improvement District number one that's being developed by Brightland Homes and then the blue is Morgan Farms that is the the second pit that will be developed by Maros. So PID one is the purple. Correct. Mhm.

And PID two is the Okay. Because there was this one agreement that had a PID one and then a a phase 1 A and a phase 1B and then it said some I barely caught it like last night real late. Oh, and a phase two to be determined later. And so I guess that was the Robert This was phase one. Sorry. This was phase But this was a thing. These were called What was the original name? They're called phase one, phase 1b. I'll let you It's okay. And after each one of these, we already did certificates of obligation for sewer. So to get more bonds, that's what was really confusing me with these.

Okay. So first, I'm Robert Miklo. My address is 2500. My business address is 2500 Plano. Um, no, Dallas Parkway. It's it's uh um the tollway. Uh, sweet 600, Plano, Texas 75093. So, I did that for the the record. And so, this is going off memory. This is Morning Side. Okay. All of the purple and all of the blue is uh Morgan Farms. Okay.

So, we did several years ago, although my hair was still gray back then. Um, this was Morningside one and two. It was all because it was Bill Wait was the developer for the whole thing. But it was always going to be two separate pits. Always going to be two separate ones. And the pit for Morning Side and that's the one that Brightland Homes has. That's that 4.7. That's the first one. And that PID was created first like in 2022. Well, they started talking about it in 202021 and that's when it was just one pit and and I guess I got in my mind it was one pit and I missed that second part. So,

you're you're right. You're right. And we had a development agreement and then the pit came the year after. Morgan Farms, the PID got created last year and that was in November of 2024 even though the development agreement was earlier. Um, and there were particulars about sewer and payments back and and and reimbursements back separate from the pit um to make sure that there was sewer up there and that the whole properties could be served, but that was a that's a basic history of it. I appreciate that. Was that the nomenclatur was that at one point called phase one

two? But there was a there was one that said it would be a phase a phase two. That's right. As a just a phase two, no AB it when Morningside one was coming in two was TBD and then it became phase two later and then that evolved into Morgan Farms. Okay. And even then when it was when it was Morningside one and Morgan Farms, Bill Wade still had it. Then it one went to uh Brightland and two went to Maritage

and Bill never had a reimbursement agreement in place that I could find to like I was trying to compare did this sound like what Bill had because it was my understanding that you know if if he sold these then it would just move over to the next people and I couldn't find anything in anything that I had. So there are there's development agreements for each and they say when you're ready go get reimbursement agreements and do the other steps. And Rudy was exactly right.

It depends when you do a reimbursement agreement. A lot of times if you're uh issuing bonds off of bare dirt, you'll put a reimbursement agreement because there's nothing out there. you're not worried about getting paid back for the road that you built four months ago. You're like, "Okay, I'll just put a a reimbursement agreement in case the bond issue takes longer than I think it will." And so that's why we typically do a reimbursement agreement at the same time, the same meeting. There's like 20 different things that get passed. But in this instance, both developers, and it's 50/50. the developers went ahead and said, "We're going to put all the infrastructure in the ground for the phase. Then we're going to go get bonds issued as a reimbursement," which quite frankly is a more solid investment because you've got all the infrastructure sitting in the ground. You're not worried that it might fall through or not happen. So you've got the infrastructure there, but then we're like, "Oh, we've got to go get a reimbursement agreement." Because if we don't, and we submit a plat, the the plat gives you the infrastructure instead of us getting paid back like it has and is set for in the development agreement. Does that make sense? This is just the next step. And we can't give you we can't do the final plat until we get these reimbursement agreements. But we're going to go to bonds on both of these. We're asking asking to go to bonds on both of these pretty soon for each uh first uh step.

And I'd like to add too uh since you brought up bonds, Miss Rididgeway, uh Morgan Farms contributed uh $2,300 per lot uh for water infrastructure, $4,000 per lot for um uh sewer infrastructure. That was and then well both of them Morgan Farms and Morningside contributed 4,000 per lot and then Morgan Farms contributed the 2,300 for water.

So I just wanted to let you know there was a contribution to the city infrastructure. No, and I appreciate that because I didn't remember that right off the top of my head, but that is additional monies that we provided to the city to make sure and that's above and beyond doing the the public improvement district work to make sure the city could serve those developments and even a potential for tie in down the road. And we've received those funds. Good. And those are sitting in this. We have a separate PID reimbursement fund set up. No, that's a separate deal. That's just to you all. money. So, we just took the money to the city and so we've been using that for whatever. We used it so that we didn't have to take out as much for bonds. So, it would have been higher.

That That was my question. What bonds have we actually taken out on this so far? Um, so the north sewer plant and additional water infrastructure uh to serve that development, but also the rest of the city. Okay. And those those won't be part of the assessment then for the lots going forward. No, this was addition. This was additional to She's right. Thank you. That's above and beyond. We're actually doing more than just the pit. And you got that money. You got three certificates of obligation for the sewer and the water total. In 2021,

we did we had LPC for million. million bids. Uh so we issued money. Um and then we issued another series this year earlier this year. Part of that was completion

and the fall short. Yes. Yes. the most the bulk of that business not. Yeah. So, you know, when you bring in a lot of new homes, it's a good thing, but it's a lot of money. The cities try to do whatever they can to help us give us money,

not just necessarily for sewer, but for everything. We're going to need more roads. We're going to need, you know, harder road. We have all these concrete trucks going through. We need, you know, more public safety. We need more however many new people in this community and so that's and I think I expressed this in October I you know from my perspective having seen 100 of these what those development agreements provided to the city was pretty good deal I mean for the city I guess yeah get better deals and get worse deals and the amount of fees the stuff they paid at Josephine was more than most

and the the added value to the property tax roles over the next few years as those 600 plus homes come into the city. Yes, ma'am. I have no tr I have no problem badmouth. By the way, if it was the other way around, I was telling you, but he was also former council member and mischief. Yeah. Yeah. We don't know if I'm done yet. We'll see. Okay. I know you're still on council. No, I'm not I'm not on council right now. We'll see.

Any other questions for him? I have several questions. Thank you for the explanation. So for the people that are on Zoom or may watch this later or even in the room here today, um the P the purpose of a PID is to provide improvements that normally would not be provided. Is that correct? It's a different way to finance the infrastructure, right? You could you could issue tax credit for it.

Okay. So, are is there a discussion of how much um the taxpayers have made a clear message they don't want more long-term debt? And so, can you explain whether this is more like a pass through or whether this is actual bonds that are going to incur more debt for the citizens at some point? This will not affect taxpayers, existing taxpayers. The way the way, you know, we often explain this is this is a way to put uh the the cost of new public infrastructure on the new residents that are moving in. Okay?

So, the only people that will repay this ever are the owners on their map. So, they'll have a tax assessment on their house as the pit and they they will pay that new development pay. If they sell that home, then that transfers with the sale on and on and on until it's that debt is paid off. It basically brings the development versus a mud. It's inside the city limits. We get tax money. So, but they have to pay that pit tax on their taxes. Yes. On their tax.

Yeah. Just uh it's an assessment, too. Uh so, it's not quite a tax and those residents, I believe, can pay that off early if they wish to. Most people won't because I don't think they stay in their house for 20 or 30 years anymore. Um, but they always have that option to pay it off early. And am I It's been a while since I've done a PID. Did they file a lean? We file a lean. Is that correct? Until that assessment is paid. The assessment is filed as a link and it stays there until the assessment is paid off either annually or if someone just, you know, wins the lottery or something, they want to pay it off all at once or if it's a an agreement to sell a house and they're going to pay it off all at once. It's not typical to pay it off all at once, but it does happen. And that way the bonds get its money. They make sure and they get their money. It's it's and the bonds are nonreourse. So the bonds don't have any impact on city finances. And if something and I've never had a pit deal gone bad, but if something ever went bad, it would not they could not go against the city. It couldn't go against the taxpayers. The taxpayers wouldn't be obligated to pay anything for that. That's why they're nonreourse. So that's a direct answer to your question. And not that we're planning to take out any additional debt uh just yet, but it doesn't hurt our capacity for additional debt in the future. Is that correct?

Correct. Okay. So, thank you for that. Um also, uh we've had a couple of developments slow down or stop and pause their developments around us. So, um can you explain what happens if the lots aren't sold in a within a couple years? Don't if the houses are not filled, people don't move in. I'm I'm just trying to the little gerbles on the wheel. Okay, I had to think about it for a second. The answer is both Maritage and Brightland are the homebuilders. They're going to start building homes. In fact, I get emails from them saying, "Let's go.

Robert, would you get this done? Get these things done so we can start building homes." So, the homes are going to get built under this environment. And I I will say other areas, other corridors, not this corridor, but other corridors have slowed down, have cooled a bit. Um, but you wouldn't be at this point in the process if the builder had no intention of building or moving forward. You wouldn't see a reimbursement agreement and the builders wouldn't be pushing to have a bond issuance. Because if you if let's say you levied assessments,

well, you're the dumbest and and then you you say, you know, I'm going to shutter this thing for two or three years and not do anything. Dumbest thing that a a builder could do because they're paying that assessment for two or three years. They absolutely do not want to do that. That's like 35,000 per lot. They're never going to do that. So, when you when you see a guy like me up here saying, "Hey, we need to do a reimbursement agreement. We need to move forward with bonds. We're asking you to do that." That means they're going to put a house on the ground. But not only that, that means they're confident confident that they're going to sell that house. And uh uh we have I mean this corridor is still pretty um pretty much moving forward. Denton's moving forward. the Pilot Point, Aubrey. These are all corridors that are still moving forward with house sales and both of these builders are super confident about moving forward with this. Otherwise, I wouldn't be up here because I represent these guys in other areas and that's not I'm not saying good or bad and I'm not going to sell it out, but that's not necessarily the case in other quarters. But this quarter is a strong quarter right now and they are going to build the houses. In fact, probably next month you'll start seeing some vertical work.

Okay. Thank you. I'm going to temper that and add a little bit to it. I think I agree with, you know, most of what uh Robert said. I think if what what I always said is that yeah, if they don't sell it, the developer has to pay those assessments. So, they're on they're going to start bleeding money, but we've had a lot of developers are eager. They're like, put the assessment down. Okay. and they and they shoot themselves in the foot cuz then they can't sell homes for 2 or 3 years

and that lowers that shaves off millions of dollars on their uh of what of the what they would get of their benefit. And so the right way to do it is is sort of like this where you wait until you're right about to sell lots and then you levy the assessments and issue the bonds when you think you're going to sell lots. Yeah, I started my career in 2009, right after the subprime meltdown. So, I'm going to say that uh I've seen it not work out. Yes, I started in 2007. Okay. With the trophy club hit. Oh. Oh, wow. Uh but very successful.

But yeah, the the bottom line is if if they weren't if they anytime they don't sell the if they don't they're highly motivated to move quickly and sell these homes quickly because otherwise they just start losing a lot of money. What's the dollar ball of the of the bonds that are needed? Is that something to share? Is up in the air because it depends on what they appraise at. So, we will the the underwriters will require uh independent third party appraiser. There's two big ones in in Texas. Yes. And they'll come and they'll say, "We think those finished lots, just the lots will be worth X."

Yeah. And usually we would only, you know, typically, as I heard one lawyer tell me years ago, is we would we would only borrow, you know, we'd only borrow 3 to one. So if you had a $30 million value, you'd only allow them the developer to bond out 10 million. Yeah. Nowadays, we're doing a lot less. We're doing 2:1. Sometimes we're doing lower. The lower you go, the riskier it is, the highest higher the interest rate, the developer is going to pay. But there are caps in each agreement. Mhm. They're relatively small. From my perspective, I think one is 20 million. Yeah. And I don't remember what the other is, but my assumption is they're not going to be anywhere near that high.

And and Mr. Sigura has put those protections for y'all in both agreements, and they weren't in the development agreement. So, he's the the the PID bond protections. I don't want to say the city's protections because again it's nonreourse, but protections for the bond and the bond issuance because part of his job is to also make sure that you you don't issue crazy PID bonds that then fail. And so he put those in both of these agreements and we went back and forth over Thanksgiving made sure that they worked uh for you guys. Is that amount in here? Because I guess I didn't. it would be in the create. So I So that was another thing is a lot of times reimbursement agreements have dollar amounts.

I don't like having dollar amounts in there because that makes it a lot happy. It makes it a lot easier for people to sell them. Uh some developers will just sell the agreement to a third party financeer and it does create this sort of well there's 20 million in here I need 20 million. They the the developer, as we've explained, they they if they want to get $10 million of reimbursement, they literally have to put $10 million worth of stuff in the ground and give it to you. Right. So So they only get reimbursed for the dollar value of what they dedicate to the city. That's right. So if the pit allows 20 million, that's great. But if it if the the stuff only costs 7.5, that's the max they can get.

That's right. We can only get paid dollar for dollar uh what we put in and what qualifies as a public improvement. This isn't like a municipal utility district that finances other elements and then you have no protection for how that's developed. So the city takes out the bonds and the and is the city responsible for a pit administrator and covering the workload that's going to be on legal counsel, engineer, accountants, financial advisors, and billing. Billing assessments pay all of that. But that's that when I said it's 99.9% non-reourse. It's a lot of it's a lot of it's going to be a lot of work. Um

it's a similar yes it's a similar pastor arrangement as what we have right now. So currently um if we have to talk to the administrator or they have to provide an opinion or anything else or talk to something goes through Rob um we pass that back to them and they they pay it and they've been doing that I guess every month as invoices come in. Um and in the future um whatever the pit administrator bills for the administrative aspect of it would be paid from assessment. So that would be built into it. So the pit administrator is an independent third party. Yes. It can be or you can Lisa quit. We had the agreement with the P3 that came out here a couple months ago.

Okay. All right. And so, but billing would be on us. It's not going to be under the pit administrator. So, as far as contract was probably the county. So, generally they would be collected just like your taxes are collected and they'd have an arrangement to to uh for that to happen. And you and you want to do that because then it's another line item in the tax bill. And so it increases at a much higher rate it being paid than coming as a separate bill that people make a decision about because I think even in those people with mortgages will make them as early. That's right. So So doing it that way it's almost 100%. Most of them will put it in the mortgage.

Yes, sir. That's exactly right. And that's why it's that's why these things are so successful because of that. That just chugs along. Yes sir. So the only risk I guess or a major risk is if the houses are valued a different amount and neighbors talk to each other and find out that their assessments are different. They could end up up here asking a lot of questions. Political risk.

Is there any other big risk that we should know about? It would be I mean if if for some reason there was a tax issue with the PIDs and you had to you got audited by the IRS, you would have to hire someone to defend it. That that those costs should be fully transferable to the the assessments. Um that's that to me that that's the main risk other than yes you're probably going to have people coming up for the next 30 years. But that's why you have a pay administrator soon as somebody calls you send them to P30

and and the builders are also required to show the notices uh to the individuals who are p purchasing the homes. It's a state law requirement and I have I've been doing this for a long time. If there's ever an issue of somebody saying, "Hey, you it wasn't in this or it wasn't in that," we all get together and say, "No, you have to show this to these people." Because, you know, if I come in five years from now, although I probably will be retired by then, um, but if I show 5 years from now, um, you know, asking for another pit, I don't want to have a reputation at doing a pit where nobody would show their notices and everybody was upset. So, I mean, I I've I've driven out to mobile homes to say, "You need to keep giving this to these people and so that they have the notice of what their assessments are going to be before they buy this house." It's absolutely, it's a state law requirement, but it's also just something that we have to do as part of our reputation.

Okay. So, I have one last question, then I'll stop. Um, that's it. So the the the calculations of the installment payments are calculated by the administrator, approved by council. That includes principal, interest, and annual collection costs. If the owner of the of the building, home, whatever, lives out of state because one local big huge realtor has said that 59% of the homes are rentals right now. And an out ofstate person decides not to pay anymore. um that risk falls back on us, right? It it it's not a risk of you making that payment.

What happens is the city is required to enforce the lean and the lack of payment. And if I purchase a $400,000 house and I allow my house to get repossessed because I have a 300 a $3,000 lean, I'm a complete What's going to happen is is that they're going to get a bill and they're going to say, "You're going to get repossessed if you don't pay this $3,000 assessment, but they're not even going to do that. If they don't pay the assessment, they're also not going to pay their tax bill, the road district bill, all of that. And that house is going to get foreclosed on. It's going to have a tax and an assessment foreclosure. You're just going to submit something saying, "We want our cash when you sell this house." And someone else will buy it, pick it up, and pay that assessment. That's that's one of the risks when you invest in these bonds, right? Because a lot of cities if somebody doesn't pay their tax bill, city the all the taxing entities,

they might let it ride 3, four, five, six, seven years, especially if it's small, right? And so investors don't like that. So actually the investors will force us to put an agreement in place that if somebody, you know, on March, by March 1st, you have a report of anybody's delinquent, by March 15th, the city is required to start for foreclosure proceedings. And there's a schedule There's a calendar of what's going I've only had to go down that route once, right? It was a developer and he's like, "Please, please, please stop it. Stop and let them pay the assessment." Nobody I work for, is it? Might be. Uh, so we So, so yes. So there, so

there's even more incentive to get it done. You got to start giving notices right away. The foreclosure, you sell it to the highest bidder. Taxes get paid first. Whatever is left, you pay the assessment off and it goes to pay off balance. But there's no that doesn't go by. The city is never stuck with bill. Okay. I have a question. Do you have a flowchart of this? That's what I'd like to see. Oh. Um,

and I never used to like flowcharts, but this is definitely something that I think could help. I think the closest thing we have so far is, and I emailed this, um, and I may have emailed it a little bit late for you, but this was the presentation they provided a couple of months ago, and it's it's pretty clear. I don't know, it's not exactly a flowchart, but it does give all that background information and the next steps. I'm going to do a very, very complicated flowchart. I know that's why I wanted to see it. Okay.

I have one question. So, um, what you're saying is when people get their mortgage and everything, they're not going to get anything extra added onto their water bill. It's not going to be different than their regular people in the city. All that's going to be normal. They're going to have their regular city taxes, their school taxes, their county taxes, their college taxes, and a pit tax. They will be true residents of the city of Josephine. Exactly. Yes, ma'am. No discount no same and that's that's a big part of it when you talk about talking about cos debt is the city issues everything on a tax exempt basis

and when the city does that like a water waste water treatment plant has to be for the benefit of all citizens it cannot say we're going to dedicate a third of the capacity to this development it has to be everybody has to be sold water too on the basis of standard rates and charges you can't have for years had an issue. They were selling water. They don't know. But um you know, so everything has to be when the city does stuff, it has to be for everybody.

Thank you. We ready to make a motion? I'll make a motion to approve the reimbursement agreement with Bright with Spriteland Homelands LTD providing for the construction and acquisition of public improvements within Josephine Public Improvement District number one and authorize the mayor to execute reimbursement agreements in the name of on behalf of Jose the city of Josephine, Texas. We have a second. I'll second that.

We have a second. Voting signs in favor. Voting signs opposed.

Okay. Item 4.8. discuss, consider, and take appropriate action to adopt a resolution approving a reimbursement agreement with Meritage Homes of Texas LLC providing for the construction and acquisition of public improvements within the Morgan Farms Public Improvement District and authorizing the mayor to execute said reimbursement agreement in the name of and on behalf of the city of Josephine. And this is just a continuation, right? Yes.

My computer rebooted. So, okay. Any I make a motion. Everybody good? I'll make a motion to approve the reimbursement agreement with Meritage Homes of Texas LLC providing the construction and acquisition of public improvements within Morgan Farms Improvement District and authorize the mayor to execute uh said reimbursement agreement in the name of and on behalf of the city of Josephine Texas.

I'll second voting signs in favor. All in favor? All right. 4.9 discuss, consider, and provide direction to staff regarding issuing requests for proposals and or requests for qualifications for various city services. Um, on this one, I'm just seeking confirmation that council would like to move forward with the issuing the RFQS uh for attorneys and um attorney services and engineering on call engineering. Uh we talked about it quite a while ago. I just didn't want anybody to be taken off guard if I posted that. So, I'm just looking for confirmation. You want me to move forward with that?

Yes. That's all I need. Just direction. Just direction. All right. 4.11. Okay. You got your direction. Yes. 4.10. Sorry. Discuss. Consider an act regarding the resolution establishing a code of conduct for city council boards and commission and staff interactions.

Um this is a draft of um we talked about at the last meeting a uh code of conduct for staff council interactions. Um so I created one. I expect that you all may want to provide some feedback before you approve it. So I don't expect you to approve it at this meeting. It's there for you if you would like to. Yeah, I agree. I think my recommendation is everybody sends their feedback to Lisa and we come back at the next meeting with work with a a finalized or one that everybody's input and then we look at that one and approve it if we want to finalize it versus trying to okay beat on it tonight.

And thank you Lisa for putting this together so quickly. I'm sorry. Thank you for putting this together so quickly.

All right. So, no action on that one. Um 4.11 discuss consider an act to approve a resolution stating no objection to the preferred pink alignment shift of the Colin County outer loop. Uh so Colin County Colin County has worked hard to find an alignment that works best for everyone. Uh which was an incredible task. So at the uh city's request, the road alignment was pushed further west from High Meadows. Uh they're now requesting either a resolution in support or a resolution of no opposition. Considering it was kind of controversial, I suggested they do the no opposition and bring that to you. Do we have a representative from the county? Um, if you like to approach, maybe they council may have some questions.

Good evening. I don't have any questions, but if you all have questions, go.

Yeah, I have a couple. Um, one is that um I haven't seen where you've posted all the responses yet from the most recent uh public meeting. Am I okay? So there are um streets such as County Road 637 which are being proposed as a breakoff dead end and you guys jump in if you want to anywhere. Um and currently because the entrance way to 637 is by Magnolia which has how many homes? Thousands. It's 638 on that side.

638. Yeah. It's like a dog leg. So it goes from 637 to 638.

And so there there are many citizens daily who take that road that you're trying to make a dead end to avoid Route Six, avoid traffic accidents that happen on Route 6 that I know you have the statistics on. And um that determination has not been made yet that you're not going to make it a dead end. after all that you're going to allow thousands of people in Magnolia phase 1 through 10 and then other developments that are going to be down 1777 to cut off a stoplight, cut off this the route six bumperto-bumper and be able to get to Lake Leavonne quicker um and get home quicker by taking the back road instead of having to wait in the bumperto-bumper traffic. So, it's like a little dog leg off the pizza. Okay. It's like a pizza slice out of there. So, that has not been resolved yet. What you're going to do with that and um I continue to be concerned about I'm just one person, but I continue to be concerned about the proximity to community ISD and the young inexperienced drivers getting their driver's license when the highest density of accidents is on ramps and off ramps and it's very close to the school. So, Any thoughts on 637 638? Any thoughts on the proximity to the school? Any thoughts on the public comments that are still pending?

It's tomorrow.

So once that happens, we're going to have lots of And so we're going to expect they'll be posted on our website just 637 638% And that's very we're still super super early on. We really wanted to see what the idea that we're working through and more detail what those issues are but um that was really Um, so yeah, we did look at 637. In fact, that area overlay all the future city kind of has planned. It's kind of a mishmash of a lot of different networks. And so we're trying to come in and overlay. Um, we looked at a couple different alternatives. military continue over the kind of connection facilitate the same connection today. Also, we looked at maybe in six or seven. So, by all means, you know, we really appreciate the partnership and happy to continue that. As mentioned, we're very early on in the advance process. So we're currently

finished yet city

and some of the responses um that Miguel placed in the agenda packet for the parks and trails plan indicate a possible trail down that way which I don't know if you had a conversation about if it's a dead end. Does that make the park and trail better? Does it make it worse? Did that not happen? Did that discussion just get Was there a hiccup and it didn't get discussed? Because the the county plan, the county parks and trails plan and our contribution to that, which he put in tonight's agenda, seems to show that there's a a proposed uh trail down that same road. And so if there's like a bike trail on the side or a sidewalk on the side or some kind of horse path or whatever it is and then you turn it into a dead end and no cars can go down there. Did you discuss that?

No. I very quickly look at that just before this meeting but I did notice the climate wasn't preis So I haven't got a chance to talk to about that discussions with that strange arrangement of six coming up being very close to that. going to have. We have to figure out how to have access for roads. Anytime you have crossing roads, then you've got ramps.

You have several of them close together. You can't have the same number. You can't have ramps both of them. So, you've got six and 637 so close together. That's what's complicated. how we put this together. So what's been come up with so far is anybody will follow through with both the problem of having traffic coming all the way through versus we need We've got development coming in on the south side of 637. You got developments tremendous amount going on. So we're working together to finish out the best way to do it.

Are you talking about 637 or 638? East 637. Well, it's a dog leg. They connect. They do, but 6 638 comes all the way down and then goes all the way out to the curb. 637 comes across and hits 640. 637 is the one you were going to dead end. 638 is I think the one you're talking about because that goes out close to the highway. East 1776.

I can't give you directions. Um, so Highway 6 is here. 1777's here. They take 638 and cut through all the way down to the curb in Nevada, but 637 is the one that cuts across like not far from Sebastian here. Um 637 is the one that's supposed to be dead ending, but you were also cutting out all that traffic that

that reroutes all the way from Roy City and Magnolia every morning. Like for me, I live off of 640. A lot of times it's easier for me to cut across Highway 6 and hit 637 to 638 to go back here to the school in the mornings than it is to try to come down here to 6 and 1777 because you can't get out of my street and turn make a left-hand turn the traffic go in both directions on six. Yeah. So 637 is bring it down.

638 638. So your map said that 637 was going to dead end and then y'all were doing something with 638 that was going to cut all the traffic that comes through there. No 637 dead ending at the outer loop right so we show westbound connect

that's a problem so nothing right there in that intersection nothing at that intersection together because on the south side of 67

on your map 637 over here the stretch that goes up was dead. Yeah. On the photos at the public meeting. We can definitely look back into that. I know that there's a lot of traffic that comes through there. A lot. And they're business owners that live there, too. And they they can't they're gonna have to go around.

Yeah. I said that was already something that some residents would prefer for that to be a dead end and you know very few vehicles get to those homes that were closer to but there may be other drivers out there that would prefer to have that connection. So, we just want the public and the community to let us know what is on that. It's just going to back up all the traffic at 1777 and six. That's right. It's going to be a night. Yep. We have a school here and a school here.

Yeah. Well, I' remember the discussions that I've been a part of the connection to the solution that close together that won't affect tonight's though. This is just the base proposal of the the general route of the outer loop. A lot of that stuff will be details and later on

and I'm not sure if it'll give any comfort or not, but there will be signals um before uh this happens at 6 and 1777 as well as a load some dove in 1777. They've been approved and they're on the schedule for probably soon.

Well, I'm only one person, but I'd like to see the answers in your decisions before I vote no objection or to approve it. I'm there's a lot of unanswered questions that haven't been taken care of. That's I'm just one person, but that's my opinion. Well, the other thing you brought up was a difficult thing to argue, but the situation is can be boiled down fairly to the fact that we've done a tremendous amount of projections of what the traffic in the county is going to be like. And the only reason to put in this is to try and what's going to happen all of this that either exist now if we don't have it's going to be extremely difficult what you're experiencing now you described what it's going to be and you know that's coming

and so the One of the solutions is to put in a facility like this kind of thing exists around a number of schools. Whe make sure it's the same as possible.

Well, this is just an alignment. This is all this is. This is the other alignment. We're not finalizing details. You can vote however you want. I'm just stating the facts. This is just an alignment. We're not all that engineering and stuff is later on. So, we have enough information to move forward. Yeah. I mean, so council do do whichever way, but we can talk about roads all night, but they're not even to that point yet. They're still taking feedback. So, and first, I mean, this this council um requested that they move it um out further away from us, and they did do that. They they and thank you for listening to us on that. We definitely appreciate that. So, I'm I'm good with the alignment. Are we ready to make a motion?

We're ready to move forward one way or the other. I would like to make a motion to approve um and I lost my place. Here it is. I'd like to um 11. Make a motion to approve a resolution stating no objection to the preferred pink alignment shift of Colin County Outer Loop.

I have a motion. Do we have a second? No second. All right. I do want to say thank you for all the work you've been done on this really and because I know you came way back in 2024 and and I I do want to acknowledge that this is difficult for you. I know it is. Moving on. Item 4.12 discuss consider an act regarding a proposal from strategic government resources for strategic planning and facilitator services.

Yes, mayor and council. I reached out to strategic government resources um to assist with council uh retreats for strategic strategic planning and team building. Um this is a proposal for a two-year contract. It would give you two retreats um a year uh with the facilitator uh focusing on long-term direction, goal alignment, strategic priorities uh and team cohesion. So the inc the contract also includes a year-round advisory services uh for any challenges that come up kind of in between uh retreats um or policy implementation if something has been decided. So the proposal for that is 20,000 for two years. They're also willing to cut that down to a one-year contract for 10 if you are not comfortable with the two years. Um either way, council may cancel at any time with fees only for services rendered um due. Um some councils I' I've participated with, they they do very fancy ones and they go off site. Um to me that is always very hard to justify to taxpayers that you know kind of looks like you've taken a vacation somewhere. They are open meetings. Um, so it's kind of like a a day or two long work session and you know generally we bring in you know snacks or lunch or something like that. Um, but the public is welcome to attend. Um, but this is just to get us all moving in the right direction. We do have a comprehensive plan but um, as far as staff direction, uh, savings of time and um, possibly funds, you know, if things aren't aligned to maybe think they are. So this is just a suggestion. Um SGR was recommended by Chief Florentino. He used them in a previous city and said he had great results with the facilitator.

I actually put this out to some citizens and they were not in favor of this at this time. This is my only statement. Are they here? No. No sir. I didn't ask them to come. Um I thought I could explain it well enough, but this is it's a pretty common practice and um I think it would Is this something we can't do inhouse ourselves at a special workshop without having

Considering we're I'm sorry, considering we're working on um staff and council relations. I just thought it'd be great if we had a facilitator come in and kind of help us all get on the same page. Um, I don't want to I I take your policies and I put them into effect, but um, you know, typically city administrators or city managers would also have some input along the way. So, this is just to try to help get us all aligned uh with upcoming plans. And I don't know, Rob, have you attended these before?

You want to make any comments? Well, they're they're very good at goal setting and uh analyzing what you what you need maybe better than what you think you need, but there's a lot of expertise involved in this one. Ron Holfield. Yes.

Uh Ron Holyfield was this his company and he's former city manager and very experienced. He's been in the business probably 30 years. or more 40 years. So I think it gives you a chance to kick things around among yourselves and with some guidance uh from from these folks who are very expert at what they do.

It it's also a process where uh they don't just show up on the day of the retreat. uh they actually interview council members individually as long along with myself and key staff members so we can all kind of get our concerns out there um and then they would be addressed during that retreat at some point. And then any topics that you all would want to address, whether they're planning topics or um finance topics or if you want to talk about development going forward, anything that you'd like to just thought with a couple of new council members and um last year things seemed a bit strange and I just thought having a facilitator in might be a great start with new council. council. I feel like that's a whole lot of money to spend um when we don't know like I'm a grownup. I can have conversations with people. I can agree to disagree. Um, I think if everybody came to the table and acted like a grown-up and could have conversations and talk about all the things that need to be talked about.

No. I said, "Yeah."

Oh. Um, like I don't I think we should try to do it without something like that before we spend money doing something like that. If it comes to the point where we can't actually sit down and have conversations, then maybe that's something we could talk about later. But we do have two new council members and like I'm willing I want the city to run amazingly well. I want to be able to work with everyone on the council and do whatever needs to be done that's best for the city. So, spending $20,000 on something or even $10,000 on something, I mean, that's the one thing that I really wanted to do was stop wasteful spending. And until it's proven that it's needed, I do feel like that's wasteful. I I could carry either way because I know how to treat people. So, I don't have that problem.

I'm same way. I can go either way on this one. Do we have to make a motion on this? Yep. Or just not do nothing? No, nothing. There's no motion. Do we have a motion? All right, we'll move on. Item 4.13, discuss, consider, and provide direction to staff on a lease request from T-Mobile West LLC to install communication equipment on a city of Josephine elevated water tower.

Thank you, Mayor. I had this company reach out to me about two months ago. So I put this on agenda to guide water tower on street address. They do and have worked with the company that built this water tower in case there's concerns because it's concrete. So they have engineering inspection. designs for equipment placement and the type and equipment will be on the very very top instead of black dots around us. There are some items that we believe back and forth. Was this the big water tower on 1777?

Will it cost us any money? No, no, no. It's It's not going to cost us. We make money. We make money. Just making sure. We have a proposal for how much you present it to. Yes. Are we interested in putting equipment on this?

Well, and that was going to be my question. Is it going to what's the how does it Yeah. proposing if you look at the top hand rail. So, the equipment will be the call radios. Are they going to be the 5G radios that they're putting up on there? Okay. I think they kind of look like those traditional cell panels on plastic panels so high up you won't stand on the other side.

So will the cables go on the outside of the or will they go inside the bowl and then down and around? probably on the outside certain location. Can you know anything? This is beneficial to the growing community.

Can you tell us what is already on the existing towers as far as communication equipment that's you know it down small equipment. Okay. Definitely not against that. Actually, T-Mobile's the only one not in town. Yeah. Cool. asked for interested if so we'll continue

I'm I'm interested but the the revenue that's coming from this I would like to see it allocated to our community fund for events like Fourth of July and and that if that's amunable because fun well that specific yeah but that specifically says where it's going so we can say to our taxpayers that we're not we're not just using their money. We're We're finding other revenue streams to put on those events. I don't I don't disagree. I'm just saying I know we generate revenue already from the other towers. Yeah. Just need a motion to move forward with it. Correct.

Then I'll make a motion to move forward u on a lease request for T-Mobile Services to install communication equipment on the city Josephine elevated water tower. I second. Voting signs in favor. All in favor. Thank you.

Thank you. All right. Next item. 4.14. Discuss, consider, and act on a resolution requesting that Colin and Hunt County Commissioner Courts exercise prudent discretion and provide opportunities for collaboration and input regarding development applications involving involving municipal utility districts. I just uh um have one comment that I just learned about. Um I like a tighter uh strategic collaboration with entities and stakeholders as all of these developments come forward. Um whether it's mutual aid, uh fire, road degradation, whatever it might be. because we're going to have, you know, 30,000 40,000 more people coming. Um, but what I've just become aware of is that when the commissioner's court receives an application, they have to make a decision within 30 days. I did not know that before. Um, so wherever it might say delay, might just need to be removed and just revise this. we can bring it back, I guess, but um it just needs to be that we need we need more collaboration with stakeholders such as the county uh different water boards or I mean even even though the water's not coming this time for developments that are north of us but um we need to know understand labor what the people commented last last month labor mutual aid for emergency, police, fire. Um

what happens with uh you know, House Bill 89 being added that you can't boycott um corporations can't can't sign contracts if they boycott Israel or whatever. I mean, there's there's a lot of different things. Um so, you want to table this? I just need the word delay, I guess, removed. I I need we need to work with state. I thought we took it out. Where is it? And

it's it's number 4.14. I just need, you know, we we need to work with C Hunt County and Colin County on developments and how we're going to survive with how we're going to collaborate with ESD, mutual aid, police, fire, road degradations, labor needs, water, uh, wastewater treatment, new new bodies for that, whether we can do a central subject. There there's all kinds of the word delay just needs to probably be removed. I don't see the word delay. I don't see it. It's not in there. Then I know we took it out. Um you and I talked

and then in that case I just want us to collaborate. We need we need to collaborate with these stakeholders. We can't proceed. And if you want to take a quick look at it. Um I thought we had addressed all these. Um yeah, the only I the whole thing about the delay was new to Are you on the new one? Okay. Yeah, I'm right here. Yeah, the short one. So, if it's not there, um, then I just say my vote is to to send it so we can collaborate. Need a motion. The the only thing I see is exercise prudent discretion interviewing. Is that what you

Yeah, but that's Yeah, that word delay was removed. So, so I move that we send this to Hunt County and Colin County Commissioner's Court in effort to enhance our collaboration as we grow and need mutual aid and other factors. You have a second. I'll second. Voting signs in favor. All in favor? Thank you. I appreciate Alex. Is that our last item? Are we going into executive?

Um, I'll leave that up to you. Um, I thought I would have a little bit more of an update, but I don't think it's necessary. I don't think it's necessary. And I would like to have an executive session. I think it's very necessary. I need to talk to you guys about some things that I know. But about the on this executive session, it has to be about what's on here. It is okay. Yeah. On the muds. On the muds. Yep. That's what you said on these muds. Not all muds. Just the two particular muds. Three and four. Yep. Okay.

All right. So, we'll uh recess the regular meeting and go into executive session 8:12 p.m. This is pursuant to local code government code section 551.071.

It's just us.

Okay. Where where everybody go? Where? We wouldn't be that long. All right. All right, we will adjourn the executive session and reconvene regular meeting at 8:29 p.m. So there's no action from executive session or or is it to move forward with discussions or just nothing? I I don't I don't know. Okay. Thank you, J.

All right. any um topics council members may want to um have considered for the next agenda.

I have a couple um the which we kind of talked about one of them was the kind of just syncing up with the MUDs. I I'd like to have just an open executive session just to talk about MUDs um at the next council meeting just to kind of understand with all the different MUDs and where we're at so we can have just an discussion around that. Um, the other thing I'd like to see if we could put on a next or do we need to vote on that or are we good to um and then um kind of like we did tonight with the diligent training if we could have Melissa come in and kind of walk through clear gov with everyone so everyone understands just a work session if if we do it um just to get everybody back into the the groove of what clear gov is and how we use it at the city.

Is that a special access clear glove? No, it's because what I get on the internet, I can't get down deep into anything. You know, sometimes browsers are a little bit funny. So, you might try a different browser. Um, I can't remember which one I used. Yeah, maybe a one-on-one with be happy to show you, but we can certainly do a work session if you like. I would like a refresher, too, just if we all come in, you know, 5:30 and just kind of go through it. You don't have to be here. Do you can you come a little earlier? I'm not sure. Melissa's going to be here anyways, right? She's typically here. So, do we need earlier than 5:30, you think? Yep. How intensely are we need to look at the budget? Explain the review of the training of how

30 minutes. Do 5:30. We'll get as far as we get and we can do more later or got written documentation. That works for me. I'm pretty good at following that. We'll send you what we have to for now. Yeah. Just just so everybody's up to speed and we know what we're looking at and

we can ask more intelligent questions. One thing I would like to ask, and I've been asked this before, and I know that it's probably not going to go anywhere, but I'm going to ask if we can put on the agenda to talk about getting a new flood study for the city. I noticed with the Kimley Horn report, they were talking about the flood study for 703713, which, you know, that one looks pretty good, but you go out to FEMA and you look at the rest of the city where there's not these LOMAR done. We have a lot of property that still could be affected by the buildup that we've done and reading the FEMA online information. Those things ain't cheap. Says that

we usually do them about every five years though. When was last week? Like we just recently did one, not a complete one for the city. How when did they do that last flood study? So we do them in in in pieces as the developers come in and they generally using their money. We've talked to FEMA and they don't do entire cities anymore unless you're like a New Orleans and you're at risk of, you know, immediate danger of being flooded. Uh they've just told us they rely on the lowars that the engineers provide as they do flood studies. So any information and then we're updating them as developers come in and develop.

But we can have the engineer um come in here and talk to you about what's possible and what's not. Well, the reason I asked the question is because we know that we can build up 2 feet to get us out of a flood plane area. We know this is higher. We know the is higher for the public safety building. This one little house over here has been built up. How is that affecting with the runoff, everything else in the city? And I've had citizens ask me, they're afraid to be flooded. And that's since 2009 over here on Colin County side. Mhm.

The only reason we got one in 2012 is because I think it flooded my neighbor in back of us and they did a new flood study on that side. So it's just something I think that would be interesting to discuss. I will put it I would agree. I want to do get a cost. So you would agree? I would agree with that. Yeah. It's not going to be cheap. I can tell you that. Well, cheap is whatever. I mean I think we just need to discuss it. I know we have some that they've done all the new developments that they've done. They've done stuff. So all they have to do is take what they have and then fill in the gaps. Yeah.

If we could before you um go if we could get what you want on there in a motion. Uh so so far I have status of all the surrounding muds uh clear gov training for 5:30 and um to discuss floods a possible flood study for the entire city. If somebody could put that in a motion unless you want to add something additional. I Oh, I was going to say flood study could be added to the next budget. It's just I think we should put it on our radar to have it done. We just need a motion so we can kind of make it official that it's going on the agenda. Yeah. Okay. And then Pam, you had one more thing.

Um yeah, I just wanted to um revise our current street naming ordinance a teeny weeny bit to add the word in English. current one we've got. All it has to do is have a couple of words added. That's it. So, looking at a street naming ordinance, revision, tiny tweak. I make a motion for those four things unless any other city council members have anything they wish to add. We we never adopted that ordinance before. Right. We She's talking about the current one. I think

the resolution was there the next month. The ordinance was not. And we have one on the books that's been there for years. I just want to add a couple extra words to it. Very tiny. It shouldn't be a big deal. Can you send if you'll send me the language? And if if the rest of council wants to We have a motion. Do we have a second for the for the four items? I've got the motion. So, we're just looking for a second. Second. Voting signs. All in favor? All right. We need a motion. I make a motion to agend. I second. Voting signs in favor. Yeah. Motion. Meetings adjourned. Thank you.