City Council - Regular Meeting

All right, we'll call a regular scheduled city council meeting Monday, November 10th, 2025 to order, 6 pm. Roll call. Mayor Turney here. Doug Ewing here. Brad Offinger here. Alex Esville here. Dr. Pam Sardo here. Gary Chapel here. All right, if you'll stand for the pledge of allegiance.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

[cough] Pam, you'll do the invocation. Thank you. Please bow your heads with me. Heavenly Father, regarding Veterans Day, we are mindful of the cost paid for the liberty we possess. We ask you to bless the members of our armed forces. We pray for the healing of all those who have scars from service. May they experience your strength and love. Please protect all of the first responders and keep them safe. Be with those in our community who face illness or issues from the shutdown. Help us make wise decisions for the city. We ask in your name. Amen. Amen.

All right. Before we get started uh with this last meeting of mine tonight, I want to take a moment to express some my gratitude uh to the citizens. Serving on the city council has been a true honor and u I am greatly great deeply grateful for the trust the citizens of the city placed in me. Every decision, discussion and project was guided by our shared commitment and strengthening community. I'm sincerely thankful to the residents for the opportunity to represent you to the city employees. Thank you for your professionalism, your dedication, and the work you do every day that often goes unseen. You made my job easier by cons consistently providing accurate information, thoughtful guidance, and steady support. Our city runs because our com because of your commitment, and I am grateful for every everything you do behind the scenes to keep things moving forward. To my fellow council members, it has been a privilege to serve alongside you. We have agreed to or we have agreed at times and disagreed at times. But through it all, I have respected and dedication or dedicate or respected the dedication each of you bring to the table. For instance, mayors Mike Holmes and Keith Coupe. During my time here, I grew as a person, learning from both my successes and my mistakes. Each experience, whether rewarding and challenging, helped shape me into the better leader and better member of this community. I would also like to say a special thank

you to my mentor, my mentors who helped me get to where I am today. Wayne Allen, rest in peace, Mayor Joe Holt, Mayor Jason Turney, Councilman Brad Alfinger, Councilwoman Barbara Newton. As I step away from this role, I do so with gratitude, respect, appreciation for the opportunity to serve. Thank you for allowing me to be a part of this council and a part of the city's history.

Thank you, Doug. [applause] [applause] Thank you.

Yeah, moving on. Much appreciated to both of y'all for your service. Um, before we uh open the table for the public comment, I just want to say I know some of y'all are here for the Epic Meadow project. Um, just to be very clear, this is not in the city limits, not in our ETJ, not in our CCN for water sewer district. Um, it's nothing to do with the city. We have no control, no authority over that uh development. That's all through the commissioners and the Colin County Development Planning. So, um, you're free to speak on it, but just so everybody's aware that your comments and your concerns will be best served at the county commissioners meetings. So, um, now we'll open it up to the citizens comments.

Yes, mayor. We have many. First one is Vog O'gon. if you'll speak into the mic, please. Hit the button. Oh, there we go. You can pick it up.

Okay. Sorry about that. So, my my uh why I'm here today is just to share with you the the understanding of what I feel is going on here, how they're coming out with this facility that's going to be right down the street from you guys. Now, you guys are a city that understands what it takes to make a city run. And I'm here to tell you a little bit about Islam and how it's going to affect your societal aspects of everything that's going on here. I'm an Armenian. My background is Armenian. My parents are from Iraqi and Iranian descent. Um, long time ago in 1915, there was the Armenian genocide. I don't know if you guys are aware of that. It's a more than a million Armenians were killed in a in a place, small little village of Armenia is what we call it, right? They were almost exterminated in 1915. Thankfully, it ended around 1923. And that was all under the Ottoman Empire. Now, the Ottoman Empire was the epitome of what we call Sharia law, right? The Ottoman Empire was the best place to be for quote unquote Islamic understanding and knowledge. Um, excuse me, I'm not a great speaker, but what happened back then is what seems to be where we're heading now. So Islam is is not truly a religion of peace. It is a a religion of peace when it's not the uppermost. So in in Islam, their goal, not necessarily the people. Muslims are not what we're talking about here today. Today we're talking about Islam. Their goal is to become the uppermost. So until that moment happens, they will be nice to you. They'll shake your hand. But the minute they become the uppermost, they'll do what they did to us. The Armenian people were literally exterminated, uh, we were ravaged, we were walked in the Syrian desert till we died, uh, of hunger, starvation. Um, they hung

Christian females to, uh, posts and lit them on fire as candles just like Nero did at the time of the Roman era. It's not all just nonsense. It's true factual things that did take place. Um, once they get to a certain point in a culture, they start to ravage it from within. So, excuse me. Get a little nervous and a little worked up, but understanding what their whole intent is is not the typical Muslim that you come across. They're all good people. They they love one another. They love you. They'll tell you they love you. But when they get to a certain point where they have to do a certain thing, they're going to be forced into it whether they like it or not. And the problem that we we see in society is they don't speak up against it. So I'm hoping that you guys will understand it and see it and try to sort of at least lend a hand to Colin County to be able to force it away and out of your communities. Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you. [applause] I'll just say while I understand all that, it still does not change the fact that we have no governing authority over the area where this development is going. So that does not change that fact. We be like us telling the cat what they can do. We have no authority. Don Silver,

thank you for letting me speak tonight. I'm a resident of Colin County and I feel the city of Josephine if it doesn't have control or authority can have an impact by sharing its views with the city c with the commissioner's council. Back when I had a good back, I was able to play golf. I played with friends. Sometimes one of us would make a bad shot and we'd turn and say, "Can I have a mulligan? Can I have a doover?" We'd say, "Yes." Unfortunately, with real estate developments, we don't get a mulligan. We've got to get it right the first time. So, I asked myself, if I was on the city council, what would I want to know about something in Colin County that was affecting me? I came up with eight questions. First, how would the development affect the adequacy and cost of the water supply, sewage, and power? since everything ends up being related whether it starts out that way or not. Second, would emergency services, 911, fire and police be affected? Would it be sufficient for public safety? What would be the short-term and long-term effect on property values and in turn revenue from property tax? Fourth, would the development make the area more desirable or less desirable for future residents? with traffic, additional traffic be a problem with congestion uh as well as safety. The last three other environmental issues we haven't thought of yet. Have there been any unintended consequences that have come forth so far and will there be more? And finally, what will be the results of the attorney general investigation? Should that affect us or not? So, a mulligan is when it makes it appear that never took place. The mistake, we can't have that here. We have to get it right the first time and I trust that you all do your best to help that result. Thank you.

Thank you. [applause]

Sue Silver, thank you for the opportunity to speak tonight about the doubleR mud 2A meadow development. I am a Colin County resident with years of experience in community public safety emergency preparedness with the helmet to prove it. Uh response training and recruitment of citizens which I did alongside a major fire department. I have a few questions and observations uh along public safety. Man-made emergencies that require first responders such as fire and police aren't restricted to man-made borders of cities, counties, and municipal utility districts, aka MUDs, but instead have wide reaching geographical impacts. Here are four serious public safety red flag questions for the Josephine City Council concerning the meadow which may house up to 6,000 new residents adjacent to Josephine one. With so many new residents along with the current water crisis, how will the North Texas Municipal Water District and the Fire Department have adequate water pressure to extinguish fires? Two, with firefighters in short supply already around Josephine, will there be enough firefighters and equipment? Three. With the Meadows many projected daily communal activities at least five times a day, plus special events, how

many police will be redirected from dealing with crime, accidents, and other incidents to directing traffic with it? And number four, with its current design as a compound with only one entrance, will the meadow have multiple entrances and exits for public safety, especially in emergencies such as fires and tornadoes? In summary, I urge the council to assert its authority to act in creating a resolution to hunt and Colin commissioner courts to delay development approval for 6 months to one year while impacts such as these public safety ones and many others are formally studied. Thank you for the opportunity to speak. [applause]

Thank you. Those are all great questions that I would say address to Colin County and I've had long talks with Chris Hill. So, um

Ronald um possibly Dobner. I'm not sure if I have the name. Governor I appreciate the opportunity to speak tonight. My name is Ron Dubner. I live in Plano and I have been studying Islam for a number of years, the political side and understand what the Muslims who who desire that we have a a country that is a Muslim country right here in the United States, the Muslim Brotherhood. And this is what I think we need to understand in the whole public and and this council that we have a serious problem for this country. The Muslim Brotherhood has developed a plan and that plan is in writing and it's called the an explanatory memorandum and I will be glad to provide that this copy to anybody who wants to see it. But it sets forth exactly what the Muslim Brotherhood intends to do to make this country a Muslim country. And in that plan, it specifies that it is a process of settlement which we're having right here in Colin County. And it's to eliminate and destroy Western civilization from within. They will become part of the community. They will vote. They will take control. And it's [clears throat] the intent to do so to eliminate the western civilization and to allow God their god to be victorious over all religions. And it's happening here in Colin County because

if you read the entire pro the entire plan, there is a a requirement that there be Islamic centers. That's key to this whole plan. And what do we have? We have the East Plano Islamic Center. It is 99% sure a Muslim Brotherhood operation as part of the plan to take this country into Islam. We are seeing in all these other towns that you have that are around here. And I'm sure you all know that there have been a number of of Muslim or Islam u um mosques that have been created in the small towns. And I think it's very important that you not just consider that you don't have authority. You are a citizen. You need to speak up. You need to have people who understand the issue that we're facing. This is a critical issue and it's going to affect your town because there going to be a lot of Muslims living here that are going to be moving into this city too. It's going to destroy your property values. People are going to move out. If you look at what happened in Dearbornne in Hamtrak, Michigan, um it's it's a disaster for anybody who's not a Muslim. So I urge you to work to use every legal means to prevent the takeover of our country. Thank you.

Thank you. [applause] I can uh just one point I can assure you they won't vote in the city of Josephine. Mike Madden.

My name is Mike Madden. I'm retired Army officer. May have to pick it up. You're kind of tall. My name is Mike Madden. I'm a retired Army officer, resident of Colin County, specifically. Thank you. You're welcome.

Uh, one of the things that was beat into me as an Army officer was you act first. You don't wait for the other guy to act. You get ahead of what they call the decision cycle. So, I'm going to ask you guys to do that. I know your options are limited, but uh, act now. see go to the county commissioner, see if you can get a one-year moratorum put on this thing. U I believe that it is about Sharia law. Uh it's not a religion and so uh I'll be there at the county commission court in support of you. Thank you. Thank you, [applause]

Jeff Hall. I'll lift it up just so I feel better. Council, I appreciate you letting me come in front of you today. My name is Jeff Hall. I'm a native North Texan. Been a resident of Colin County since 2017. As such, I have a vested interest in the safety and the quality of life for all North Texans. And I do hope to see you at K Commissioner's Court because I will be there. The latest latest conceptual study reveals that the meadow has only one entrance into their development. This entrance will be served exclusively by County Road 695, which I believe is shoulderless at this time. As an advocate for public safety, I have grave concerns for the safety of folks that travel 695. The sheer number of housing units, I think I heard 6,000 members in that community, suggests traffic into and out of the meadow during rush hour. If there is an accident, response services will be significantly impacted and I imagine uh resulting in the loss of life. also concerned for the the uh the single entrance which it will uh serve as a compound as much as as a a community. That's a different discussion. But who plans only a single entrance for such a large community? That to me appears to be severely negligent and as you can imagine response times will be significantly hindered. There does appear to be a road on the south side of the community that may eventually be served by evidently an extension of 695. By what means will that be funded and by whom? Texas cities also I know you mentioned

that that it's not an ET ETJ but you do have influence and Texas [clears throat] cities are responsible for the emergency management and response within ETJs. And considering that, who will be held liable when an emergency cannot be responded to in a timely manner and there's loss of life, loss of property? Somebody's always going to come looking for somebody to get to help them out of the mess, loss of life, etc. who will confirm the emergency coordination as Miss Silver discussed uh as far as ensuring proper prevention, mitigation, preparedness, response, and sometimes ultimately recovery. In consideration of these significant public safety concerns, I respectfully ask that you use your influence to deny or minimally pause this effort moving forward and consider the Colin County roadway standards document from 2020 as well as other codes and laws to maximize safety and convenience by mandating two or more entrances and exits in each new development. ment plan and share the true impact on these tiny roads and the cost of road repair from the heavy construction and the increased traffic burden. Thank you for your time and consideration.

Thank you. [applause] Barbara Issac,

hello. Um, mayor, I know you've said a couple times that there's nothing that this this um council can do, but um I recently worked on a situation over in Blige because I owned property there and we had a same similar situation. and they had bought about 200 acres that they had planned to develop. And um I will say this now that that we are working on a new city comprehensive plan and I've met with a I I hired a private municipal attorney and he told me we can really strengthen those rules, the codes and ordinances in the city comprehensive plan so we can get out in front of these things like for instance what they're talking about with the ent multiple entrances and to be able to control traffic and parking and you know lots of uh maybe drainage ordinances. There's lots of things that you can do, but I think you have to get in front of it instead of behind it. So, I just wanted to point that out because that's the advice I was given by a municipal attorney was to do that. But, um I did go to um Colin County Commissioner's Court today and spoke on the same issue. Um, I've been there and spoke before on this issue and um, I'm speaking today regarding the proposed development formerly known as Epic City and recently renamed as the meadow and [snorts] I also understand they also go under the name ther mud district. Uh I don't know if you're aware or not, but attorney general Jen Attorney General Paxton uh has a team of investigators that's looking into the possible violations with the state securities commission board uh that's involving community capital partners. Community capital partners is the financial arm for Epic. So they're all tied together. So if you do have any choice to um p hit the pause button and

not move forward with any of these projects, you should do so at least until all these investigations are completed because they are being investigated now. Um and then uh are you familiar with the Holyland Foundation trial that took place in Dallas in 2007 and 2008? And if not, arguably this was the most important trial that that has ever taken place in the United States regarding terrorism. Several people were indicted and put in prison. During that trial is when they came across when they were doing their investigation. They came across the explanatory memorandum that um that Mr. Dubner mentioned earlier. It's a very important document and there is a summary that's been written. That document is very large because it was written in Arabic and then translated into English. But it was written by the Muslim [clears throat] Brotherhood and it tells us in their own words, it's a blueprint. It tells us exactly why they're here in America and what they plan to do. So we need to believe them when we read when we read this document. And um there is a summary available. And oh, I just want to say please I found a website called defendingourreublic.com. defending ourreublic.com and that document is available for download, print or to read.

Thank you. Thank you, [applause]

Dave Scott. [clears throat] Uh good evening, Mr. Mayor, council, staff, and uh concerned residents of Josephine. Thank you for allowing me to be here to speak this evening. My name is Dave Scott and I'm a retired 30-year career police sergeant. I was employed in a police agency of 85 sworn officers in a city that is 7.49 square miles with a population of over 110,000 people. [snorts] [clears throat] Uh that put us at an officer to citizen ratio of about 1.3 officers per every 1,000 citizens. Thus, I am intimately familiar with the draw and excessive demand for service that a dense population puts on police services and other city services. My parents reside here in Josephine. They are present with us here this evening. I am requesting that you deny or take a one-year pause before voting on any new zoning or development requests, even if outside city limits. You need time to review any unintended consequences and untested uses of new muds, including the doubleR MUD 2A, also known as, we've heard it earlier, the meadow. It is easier to prevent issues than it is to try to fix them later on. Regarding the meadow, which will be presenting its plan to the commissioner's court very soon, how will you collaborate with Colin County and Hunt counties regarding uh unmet police and deputy needs? It will be specifically Josephine's problem due to mutual aid and cross geography coverage. How will you ensure that owners and developers of these muds are fully transparent with you regarding the events that they will have on their properties? Will you ask about the high volume of traffic and large number of events they will host every day requiring extra law enforcement to be redirected from crime fighting as

mentioned earlier and crime prevention to direct traffic and other tasks? Have you benchmarked with Plano, Flugerville, and Houston to ask them about the large number of police officers needed to direct traffic for daily cultural events or speechs in their communities? Have you considered the cost to all taxpayers of the increased police presence that will be needed as soon as one to two years? Have you shared those increased costs with the tax uh with the residents of Josephine? Are you aware of the increasing difficulty the police agencies have in attracting, recruiting, and training and retaining officers and deputies in today's unfavorable culture toward law enforcement. I know about this firsthand as I was my agency's sergeant in charge of recruiting, testing, and training new officers. This will cause a delay in keeping up with the demands placed upon your local law enforcement agency. Will you will county tax rates increase so that unincorporated ETJ areas can have sufficient police deployment and coverage? Are taxpayers able to absorb those increased taxes for increased police services? Please deny or pause any development decision until you can review Texas Code 1701 and the Texas Administrative Code and ICMA public safety management white paper. The white paper states specifically that an average of 2.5 officers is needed per 10,000 population. If 1.5 million people are in Colin County and 16 muds are coming soon around Josephine, that unmet police need calculation is overwhelming. Thank you for your time and attention.

Thank you, [applause] Paula Cheek.

Good evening. I'm a Colin County resident. Um, the Islamic roots of terrorism, their greatest weapon is our tolerance. Although federal law protects ritual slaughter under the Get a little bit closer to the mic for me.

Can although federal law protects ritual slaughter under the first amendment, it requires that all livestock must be uh stunned prior to slaughter to rem uh to render the animal insensible to pain. But then the act comes along providing exemptions for halal and kosher which don't require pre-cut uh sunning. This is what you can do. Uh you can regulate now. You can revise your codes. And where you can't regulate actions in ETJs and unincorporated areas, you can lobby the commissioner's court to address activities, including backyard slaughter, by means such as these, zoning and land use. You can use zoning laws to regulate where all slaughter houses can operate. Public health and safety. You can enforce general public health sanitation and safety regulations that apply to all meat uh processing facilities. In city slaughter is wrong because it is a health hazard that spreads disease, even death because of poor sanitation, including E.oli and Salmonella that are very hard to kill once they take bacterial form in an open breeding ground. When organs are improperly sliced, the meat becomes contaminated. And the soil poses a huge health risk that will attract pests and other animals that became adulterated and spread disease not just by cats, dogs, and rats, but by touch. A rat can step on contaminated grass that is ecoli, survive, and walk along your fence. When you open your gate, you've just touched E. coli, and you spread it when you get your mail, open your front door, and touch your phone. Among the provisions of Hamrak, Michigan's ordinance that Josephine and or Colin County can adopt are these notification. The city or

county clerk's office must be notified at least one week prior to the uh intended date of the sacrifice. Inspection. The resident must allow the city or county to inspect the site for health and safety both before and after the sacrifice. Sanitation. The area must be cleaned and sanitized properly and the carcass must be properly disposed of which doesn't mean tossing it in the nearest trash can for pickup. Public view. The act must be kept out of public view. You and the county you and the county can pass these measurements as a compromise based on legal advice. If these measures can't be made at the city level, then you lobbies Colin County to adopt these urgent safety measures for the health and welfare of your citizens. Speak up for Josephine. Josephine does not have to endure this.

Thank you, [applause]

Lee Moore. Thank you for serving your community. I'm here also today to speak regarding Epic 2 community, now deceptively named the Meadow. I've spoken at Commissioner's Court many times and did again today on this topic. As you know, many citizens have been attempting to raise awareness about this development. And thanks to Amy Mech's research and reporting on X along with Attorney General Paxton's involvement with the noting of Texas security violations, these concerns are now receiving additional attention. Governor Abbott signed HB 4711 a couple months ago, which only prevents the forcing of somebody to sell their property back to the mosque. It doesn't stop them from doing it voluntarily. And as we know the in Islamic culture, it's okay to lie if it advances their cause. This bill did not address that Sharia law and our constitution are not compatible and it did not ban Sharia law despite suggestions otherwise. Most of you know that Epic City Development changed his name to double our mud when electing new board members a couple months ago and now again to the Meadow, clearly attempting to avoid negative publicity and online searches. But make no mistake, this remains an Islamic focused community. And Islam is fundamentally incompatible with our constitution. Under Sharia law, there's no freedom of religion, no freedom of speech, no freedom of thought, no freedom of artistic expression, especially concerning no equal rights for women. Residents of EPIC cannot simultaneously honor both the Constitution and Sharia law. These systems are incompatible with Islam and Sharia law. There is no difference. They cannot honor the constitution and support Islam. I realize that the county is responsible for final approvals, but they will be asking this town for the use of infrastructure and especially annexing immediately if approved, and you need to

be prepared for that. This development shows concerning patterns like large land acquisitions through shell companies and religious nonprofits, strategic use of municipal of MUDs to bypass zoning and public oversight, foreign funding through taxexempt religious institutions, separate governance structures with their schools and legal systems. TCEQ applications should be secured and they haven't done this despite Abbott's directive in April to halt work until permits are permits are secured. And then the educational content that they're teaching that conflicts with American civic values. This isn't standard urban planning. It's establishing parallel communities operating under principles that contradict our constitution. But you have a choice. Make sure TCEQ has done the proper studies and they are approved. I urge you to reject any movement of this community until all of this is done beforehand. Make sure you do serious deep research into every aspect mentioned, especially since Attorney General Paxton has identified illegal activities and requested referral to the state securities board. Thoroughly evaluate infrastructure planning, water, fire protection, police services, parking, streets. Plan for the future and not just for today and avoid setting any dangerous precedents. Thank you, [applause]

Jessica Holy. I'm Jessica Holsey. I am from McKenna. And all I can say is ditto, ditto, ditto, ditto. Uh, get ahead of the problem. Uh, do your research. Find out about sanitation. Find out about traffic. Find out about fire and police coverage, water, uh, burial processes, anthrax. Thank you over there, Paula. Uh, for uh, sacrificial things. Uh, burial processes, a loss of freedom. Uh, one gentleman has referred to uh a uh Muslim authored explanatory memorandum that was uncovered by the FBI written in Arabic and translated. The Muslims words that they wrote about their intent of being in America are this, and I quote, "Muslims work in America is a kind of grand jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and sabotaging its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated. What's eliminated? Western civilization. That's what we live in. And God's religion, their religion, is made victorious over all other religions. End of quote. Muslims have no plan to assimilate. They only plan to eliminate

western civilization, our US Constitution, our Texas Constitution, our Judo, our Judeo-Christian uh values. Please be very prudent. I know it's not in your city. You we've said that it's right next door to you and we come as supporters of you and the county in this fight. I'm from McKenna. We have people here from Allen. We have people here from Plano. We come to support you, but do your homework. Do what what uh Mr. Silver said. Ask these questions. Be prudent and wise as a city council so that you can advocate for your area and we can back you. If you're doing nothing, we have nothing to back. Get ahead of the problem. I urge you. I urge you. Thank you. [applause] I have a resident on Chuck Wagon Drive. I can't make out the name. Good evening, city council, honorable uh mayor. I'm here to address issues threatening our community safety and quality of life as we grow. With new developments bringing families into our town, potentially tripling our population, it's time to act decisively to protect Josephine and outer limits, making it a safe haven. This city is drawing in more people than you can currently handle. But without strong protections, you're inviting risks that will shatter that piece. We need a mandatory 24-month moratorum and slow growth initiative put into action by you to control these issues immediately. The dark reality of registered sex offenders loitering narrow child safety zones.

Texas local government code section 34 341.906 empowers the city as a general law municipality to enact an ordinance restricting these individuals from being within a thousand ft of schools, parks, playgrounds, and daycare zones where our kids play and learn. Yet, Josephine has not adopted this vital protection. This is a direct threat heightening risks of assault, rape, or even trafficking amid growing subdivisions. By failing to enact this code, we're leaving our children vulnerable in an unsafe environment. I urge you to pass this ordinance tonight. Exempt existing residents as required by law, providing exemption processes from legitimate needs, and partnering with Colin County Sheriff's Office for enforcement. Let's prevent tragedy before it strikes our kids' futures, please. Next, your noise ordinances and disturbing the peace laws strong in chapter 8 of your code prohibiting excessive sounds that disturb the peace are simply not being enforced in outer city limits, especially as meadow style ranch developments expand. Construction booms all night. Late night parties with loud music booming, heavy equipment rumbling unchecked, turning quiet neighborhoods into sleepless zones and endur and eroding the rural charm. with what's worse is without enforcement, future developments nearby can operate under lax county rules where unincorporated areas lack dedicated noise regulations and rely on vague state disorderly conduct laws. This invites builders ignoring decibel limits, hint hint, events spilling over without permits, all while endangering residents and yes, even drawing opportunistic predators under cover of noise in these familyheavy areas. like the proposed developments on 659 and 850. You can monitor this for illegal building 247 to comply with Ken Paxton's investigation that found them in violation of the law. You cannot let growth outpace governance. Enforce the laws you have, implement them from the legislature, issue warnings, levy fines for violations, and hold developers

accountable before groundbreaking. This isn't about stifling progress. It's about ensuring safe spaces where families thrive free from disruption and danger. By acting on these items, you can safeguard against these shadows that prey on vulnerability, preserve the peace that defines our town. And I appreciate the time to be able to speak to you all. Thank you very much, [applause] [cheering] Shauna Shaughnessy. I will try not to be repetitive. Um, but I am also here to speak on the issue of what was previously known as Epic City. Um, I'm a mom. I have three young kids that I have recently decided to homeschool as this issue is coming closer and closer to home. [snorts] And that's unfortunate because our school district out here is is a really great district and this is going to have a huge impact on them as well. And so, um, the issue of water has been brought up as well as the issue for additional police. I'll just add to that. Um, my questions are, do you have any information from the North Texas Municipal Water District or CAD SUD about the necessary infrastructure that's going to impact price increases for all residents? That's inevitable. When it grows, the prices also increase. We [snorts] ask that you please do not approve any new water or sewer or zoning requests until you've reviewed Texas Water Code Chapter 11 and five. Also, will you plan to collaborate with Colin and Hunt counties regarding unmet police and deputy needs that will result from these approvals? And have you considered the cost to all taxpayers for the increased police presence that will be needed as soon as the next one to two years? And when will that increase cost with be shared with residents? According [snorts] to the ICMA public safety management white paper, an average of

2.5 officers is needed per 10,000 population. If multiple muds are coming soon around Josephine, the unmet police calculation is overwhelming. Fire safety was already talked about. I won't go through that again. One of another big concern is the infrastructure and roads. It's common knowledge that construction projects of this magnitude will bring a huge presence of construction vehicles on our roads, impacting not only the safety of current residents, but the severe damage to our roads. Will current residents be responsible for paying to repair the damage done to our roads during the construction of this new development? Sim similar developments in the metroplex report daily events with thousands of people. How will all of the increased traffic impact road safety for current residents? Please review property code 207 and 209 regarding housing rules that will impact the community at large. I know understand that we have been told several times that that you guys have no power or control of this situation, but many of us obviously disagree and we definitely will ask that you please consider the impact of all of your decisions on citizens. It's easier to prevent issues than to try and fix them later. Yes, it will be the commissioner court's decision, but Josephine Council has a duty to advocate for its current residents. This is why we ask you all to create a resolution to appeal to the commissioner's court that they put a pause on approval for this mud until all issues are reviewed and resolved. We believe that the Colin County Commissioner's Court will [snorts] give significantly stronger consideration to a resolution coming from our city officials such as you all. Um, just real quick, my sister and her family live in Prosper, which is part of Colin County next door to a Muslim. They have thrown baseballs that my nephews have hit over the fence back into their yard covered in [clears throat] dog feces. They have thrown a dead rabbit into our yard and many their yard and many, many more

things. These people are not our friends. Thank you, [applause] Bobby Hamilton. Yes, ma'am.

All right. Y'all know who I am. Y'all know where I live. So, I'm going to tell y'all what y'all need to do. If y'all go down or on 1777, you turn on Maple, you're entering the ramp to Y to Yates Raceway. That's where I live. We have anywhere from six to maybe even 10 children. The youngest are three years old. They're twins. And y'all, not necessarily y'all, but some folks come down my raceway too darn fast. And these kids, although we try to tell them something, you know, but their kids, y'all's kids probably perfect, ours are not. And they run out in the street if they see their grandfather or grandmother live across the road or my neighbor across the road. They run out there to greet them. And here comes people down here. Ungodly fast. Plus, I'm an old woman. I walk down the road staggering. If they run over me, I'm gonna tear the tires off. But dang of it is [clears throat] if y'all don't do something about these cars, speed down through there. And when you get that red light out there, it's even going to be red worse when you get it on 1777 and six cuz they'll be cutting through Yates again. But if y'all don't do something about it, then one of my kids gets hurt. There's gonna be something put on y'all that Ajax ain't going to wash off. Thank you. [applause]

Micah Phelps,

mayor, councel, u I'll try to keep it very short and sweet. Um, but had a great meeting with uh several city staff earlier this morning at our meeting. uh Alderwoman was also there as well. Um and kind of just wanted to to circle back with y'all. Really good conversation around kind of next steps forward, what that looks like for uh the mud and for the city. Um and for those that don't know me, uh I'm the president for Magnolia Point MUD. Um but kind of what that looks like and and Lisa and I had a good conversation around how we can kind of work together to continue to move that needle. Um there was some talks around uh additional contracts and and things that could be put in place to obviously help uh eliminate some of the the questions of why and things of that nature. Uh but one thing I do want to come here today and request is for uh an additional meeting between our mud and uh council. Um we we kind of discussed in the format of a subcommittee. So a subcommittee of council and a subcommittee of our board of directors as well. Um, and that way we can sit down and hash out some of the differences and agreements on both sides of the table. Um, and continue to move that needle in the right direction uh to a resolution. Um, like I said, after our meeting today and our discussion, I think there's a lot more positive than negative at this point. Um, and making sure that we continue to move that, but obviously with uh several new council members coming in, we'd like to continue that conversation. um and would like for y'all to consider that uh basically into the beginning of next year. Uh we're looking January. We've already added it to our agenda today. We've already agreed and approved um to have a subcommittee conversation with council. Um and we'd like that same from y'all as well so we can set up a date here in Josephine to be able to continue that that conversation and move the needle.

Thank you. That'll be discussed in our executive session too about the subcommittee. So, perfect. Awesome. Thank you all. Thank you. [applause] Brandon Jordan

here to provide both a verbal and a written vote of confidence for our current city administrator, Lisa Paloma. So man, a lot's been talked about serving. Some saying about the lack thereof and some saying about a great job that we are doing as serving. Right.

I'm simply asking for the opportunity to take that service to a next level to go behind a compassionate leader who's already making grounds and making a difference to take us to a place that Josephine is trying to get to. There's been a lot of talk about being a community. We are a city and we're trying to give grounds to becoming a community. Let us be a community inside so the city can mimic us as a community outside. We're on the cusp of doing some really, really great things. I serve a God who believes in second chances. Micah 7:18, he desires mercy. Let us also be people who are extending that mercy to one another and building bridges, closing up gaps just like we did yesterday or not yesterday but Saturday over at Riverfield. Great job you guys and that block party. That was awesome. We'd like the opportunity to continue to do those things and under Lisa's leadership, we can do that and do that extremely extremely well. That was the last one.

Yeah. I wasn't ready for it to be over. Hang on. So, just a brief statement for me. I've been uh I'm fully aware of Epic City for over the last year. the countless death threats that I've received from all across the country that most people are not aware of. So, I am very fully aware of everything to do with Epic. I've talked to Chris Hill obviously, you know, with the the police and um so just so everyone's aware, I'm not oblivious to what's going on with Epic. Um, but I have a duty and a role to ser serve the citizens of Josephine and my service is to the city of Josephine. My jurisdiction doesn't go beyond those limits. Um, that doesn't mean I don't have conversations with our county commissioner and our county judge. Um, but for the most part, that's about as far as it can go. But um yeah, that's I'm very aware of what's been going on since the very beginning of this and most of it's due to the misinformation that is constantly put out there. Um you know, we put out the correct information and there's questions upon questions or, you know, all we can do is give the correct information. There's nothing we vote on. There's nothing for us to vote on as a council. We we have no authority to vote on any plats, any water, any sewer. They're not going to be in our fire, our police. Those are going to be uh contracts that we would have to sit down the same as we did with our Magnolia mud um from the very beginning. Those are those are not in our plans. Um they're not in our water district. They're not in our sewer. They can't force us to do it. That's in CO basin. So, um,

none of that the burden for police and fire would be a mutual aid. We're not obligated to sign mutual aid. We don't have to have a mutual aid agreement with this mud district. So, that's on the county. It's solely on the county in this mud district. And if they want to reach out to us as a city, the council to help them in any way, that will solely be up to the council and the citizens at that point. But I have never once spoke to the mud, never once spoke to Epic. I have no need to because they're not in our ETJ. They're not in our city limits. I'm not going to go and speak with them because it doesn't we we are not in control of none of their plats and and none of that. We've been in contact with the state um giving them every bit of information we've ever received. Um, so we've been openly transparent with Ken Paxton who I've emailed directly. Um, so the conversations have been there. So it's not like we're oblivious to what's going on, but we are there's only so much power that this council has regardless of what anyone says or thinks. So, I just wanted to make everybody that's here aware of that that um we're fully aware I myself can speak for me that we and my staff are fully aware of Epic and moving forward will do the same as we've done. Whether I support it or don't, you know, really is ill relevant. I mean, I'll come out and say publicly that I don't want the mud there, but that doesn't doesn't mean I can stop it as the mayor.

Um, but that's my two cents on it. So, I just wanted to put my my knowledge and my information so that everybody understands that we're not just letting you speak and going on. If any other council has anything they want to add to it, feel free. Um there will be no actions on none of that anything tonight. Um only action items will be what is on our agenda. I'll open the floor to council if they want to say just say anything very quickly before we move on. I

I'll say thank you for every one of you that came out and took time out of your business out of your busy day. It is a school night. I'm sure some of y'all have kids and it could be other places. But for y'all to take time and sacrifice that time away from family and to be here and to invest in our family and our community. Thank you for doing that. Thank you. This is Texas. We want to keep Texas. Yes, ma'am. And I want to say that I'm so sorry that you're It ain't your fault. That's No, I know. But I just want just want to be transparent then. I assure you I'm well aware of of Epic.

That is the reason that we're here. We want to protect you, the council, the the sheriff's department, everybody, the entire all these families in Josephine deserve protection. So, um I don't know if looking, as I mentioned earlier, looking at that the city comprehensive plan, I was told that you could expand it out to that area.

Only jurisdiction is within our city limits. We have very little control even in our ETJ unless it's a mud that we are working with as Magnolia, you know. So, there's it just gives us a little bit of of control. Um, and even if they they don't want to be in our city limits and if they were in our ETJ, all they got to do is write a petition now with that new state law and voila, they're out of our ETJ and they can do whatever they want. So, the benefits in the developer hands as far as that new law. So, all our complaints and concerns need to be going to state level. That's where all this needs to be addressed. Well, we're also working on a national level as well. Thank you.

Yeah. Yeah, I just want to say thank you for your guys' time. You were heard. All right. Well, moving on. If any of y'all don't want to stay for the meeting, I'll pause for a couple of minutes so y'all can clear out or you can stay. You're more than happy to stay for the entire meeting. But I'll give 30 seconds or a minute. And

yes. Yes. website download. Thank you. You're welcome.

At Woodro Wilson, huh? At Woodrow Wilson. Exactly. He's actually months ago. With the new laws, we can't annex nothing unless you petition to be annexed. The city cannot annex any. We can't just go. They have to petition. Yeah.

If it was that simple, but it's correct. Thank you. All right, we're going to proceed with the meeting. So, uh if you would please move on to uh citizens comment uh or uh consent agenda. We're not doing that again. Uh huh.

Oh, all right. Council item three, consent agenda. We have questions, discussion.

I have a couple of little questions. Um, at the last meeting, uh, Brad made a motion to review, uh, the dispatch call data by month for Magnolia, MUD, and city limits and to discuss why certain detailed information couldn't be released. and Alex made a motion to have neighborhood checks added to the Josephine Police Department month monthly report. I see that there is uh one extra piece of information um tonight that's on our on the counter in front of us. Um I just didn't know if if there was a delay when when we're going to be able to do that. I know that there's also an item later in the agenda.

Jeff will have the answers in that when he talks about it then. All right, that's good. Um, all right then. That's all I have. Just wanted to make sure I got that done. Any other questions? Need a motion. I'll make a motion to approve the consent agenda. I'll second. Are we voting on the deal?

Okay. [clears throat] Could I ask for one thing from the water report later? Um, I'm I apologize for being out of order here. That we passed TCE and EQ inspection, which is wonderful. Congrats. Yay. Um, can we get a copy of that report?

Okay. Okay. Okay. Thank you. Did we get it? We're good. Are we uh voting something? Do we send it out or twice? I haven't gotten it. I haven't got it. Did you get mine? I clicked. I have no giddy. Where was

there one? I made the motion that pretty sure I approve it. May need to refresh your browser since we were an hour not using them. Did it come up or where we at? I'm going to do it I'm going to do it by hand if if it ain't going to work. I'll sit here all night waiting on votes. All right. So, is it all four?

All right. Here we go. There's got it. All right. Moving on to item four, new business. So, receive an update from uh project manager. Was it Bob? Bob's here in in replace of uh Ethel. Ethel. Ethel's on vacation. Ethel's on vacation. Mayor and council, thank you for letting AGCM bring our You may want to pick that up real quick. Yes, sir. Okay. Thank you. Thank you.

Yes, sir. Um, it had been two or three months since I was at the project, so I visited this afternoon and it it's really coming together well. uh could not get inside the building but the outside of the building you see our project health indicator showing good um I mean I would the site work is excellent it really is exterior of the building everything I could see was excellent so very happy with how that's come together for us on that um the uh the the current state of of conditions you can see that several of those items are now 100% complete. Uh what I could see on the exterior parking parking striping uh the fencing landscaping very good job on the landscaping and the flag poles are in. So um we are well along beyond beyond the percentages you're seeing there now uh into November on the uh work that's currently going uh commissioning is is is ongoing um commissioning the generator started today that's a component so we can get substantial completion we're still targeting the 19th for substantial completion on the project. So, uh that's good. Um the at the end of October, we were about 94% through with the billing on that contract. We're we're beyond that now. So, uh we'll be approaching 100% here shortly on the billing for the project. The um see, we got the Yeah, that's the correct one. the uh third-party contracts really uh we have a little bit of the uh testing allowance but uh also the FFN

furniture and equipment is uh is going uh on on for that and just some photos from the last couple weeks in October. Again, I just I hope you're very proud of the way that building is appears on the outside. It's very nice. uh the work I could not get inside. So I can't believe that it's not a little further along now. Uh we have a meeting next uh Monday, Tuesday to go uh meet and view the entire project. So that's supposed to be the punch list walk through, right?

Yes, sir. Yes, sir. So [clears throat] I could I could peek in the bays. They were clear from all that debris now. So yeah, they have done done a good bit. And then that's the uh the turf and the fencing that you did the change order three. So for the workout now that's for the workout area. Yes, sir. Yep. So uh just I I'm real happy with where the project's coming from. Are you aware um if you're done with your deal? The only question are you aware of the gas leaks that we've had? The I'm sorry. The gas leaks? No, sir. No. Okay. No, sir. I I know the chief fire chief may be aware of what's happened a little more, but is that something that you're dealing with?

Yeah, we've had the two gas leaks now. Um um I don't know if Chief wants to come up and say if it's been addressed or I I'm just curious so that we know. Go ahead. Okay. Yeah, I I can answer that question. They did find the location that turned out to be a bad weld underneath the sidewalk. So, it has been corrected, fixed, and operational. All right. Thank you. Okay. Good. Good. Any [clears throat] other questions? No. Thank you. Thank you, [clears throat]

council. No questions. We have a motion to accept the monthly report. I'll make a motion to accept the monthly engineering report from AGCM. Do we have a second? I'll second. We're doing that. All in favor. Right hand up. All right. All in favor. I'm really disappointed in this freaking voting thing. [sighs and gasps] All right. Item 4.2. This is the Dunway engineering report. Jacob's here obviously to go over that.

Yes, sir. Good evening, Mayor Council. Jacob Deu with Dunaway. Um, so on the development front, actually had some very recent conversations with the developer for the Morgan Farms phase 1 project. They're actually looking to submit their final plat here pretty soon. Uh, working with Miguel. So, the ideal scenario is that it'll go to PNZ in December for the final plat and then it'll come to you guys in January for final approval. So, they just talked to us about it today. We'll see if they get all their stuff submitted next week to make that timeline. So, just potential upcoming item. On the construction projects, we've actually been pretty fortunate. Kind of a a mild start to our winter, so everything is moving along pretty well. Um, both wastewater plants are rocking and rolling along with our 12-in Gravity Street, I'm sorry, Gravity Sewer Line on Milton Street. And then we also had our contractor uh more fully mobilized on the North Texas meter vault improvements. Um so that's actually well under construction right now as well. And then um still moving forward somewhat slowly on the discharge permits. The renewal was previously submitted uh kind of at the tail end of October. They had a few questions followup that we're working through with them and then we're still waiting to feed some feedback from them on the north wastewater treatment plant and that's pretty much it.

What is the completion timeline on uh the uh sewer line? We're supposed to have substantial completion by the end of this year 12:30. Are they going to start uh are they going to do the road all at one time or are they going to start on the down here or what what's the deal? I think they'll probably do it all at one time. We can talk to them if they need to move in and get some that are kind of in bad spots because I know they're affecting three different street segments. And so my assumption is that they were going to wait until they were completely done with everything. Make sure there weren't any problems and come back and kind of do all How long will they have that temporary crossing across that creek? [laughter] Probably until they're done because it can't be there when it rains. Yeah.

So they need to be made aware of that. Okay. Yeah, we'll let them know. We'll keep them updated. [laughter] If they don't, they'll be they'll be getting let know real quick. It's going to be a big problem. Yeah, like I mentioned, we're actually pretty fortunate on the weather so far. So, we'll be keeping an eye on it and kind of let them know if they're not done. Hopefully with the weather, they'll be ahead of schedule and be finished before. Yep. Yep. That's what we're hoping for. I have one quick question. Yes, ma'am. Thank you. Um, regarding the discharge permit for North Wastewater treatment, waiting on the executive director. Is that North Texas or somebody else? That's TCQ. TECQ. Okay. Yes, ma'am.

Uh, follow up with them probably about once a week to ask where things are. The typical discharge permit process is 300 days and we're halfway into it. So, I'm just hoping it's moving faster than normal, but that is what it is. So, okay. Thank you. Any other questions? Okay, I'll make a motion to approve the report from Dunaway and DBI. [clears throat] I have a second. I'll second. Voting signs in favor. Right hand. Voting signs opposed. None. All right. Thank you.

Thank you. All right. This is item 4.4. This is Kimley Horn and Associates. This is uh regarding the proposed parks trails master plan parks and trails master plan or is it that's what's on the agenda right am I ahead of one or am I uh [laughter] can you do them both at the same time yeah this is a I'm sorry this is just the uh engineering report

I'll be short and sweet um just some updates on the projects we have Greenville Avenue The notice to proceed was issued at our pre-construction meeting on October 20th. They're expecting to start construction on November 10th, so that's pretty soon. Um, we've been getting submitts in over the past week, so we've been reviewing and sending comments back on those as needed. The parks and trails master plan is up next, so you guys are going to hear more about that. And then some current reviews that we have the Sonic, we had completed the second submitt back in early October and so we're waiting on the resubmitt. We had a meeting last week with the city and the applicant. So that resubmitt should be coming in soon. And then for the 610 East Cook Street, uh we actually got the eighth submitt last week and so we're wrapping that up and should have our response letter back to the city this week. And that's all I have. So I'll answer any questions. I have one quick one. It says that the construction's going to start in Greenville today. Did I miss that? Um, are you moving forward this week or next week?

If that's the 10th, it's should have been today, but I haven't been in direct contact. I was out of the office today, so I'm not sure if they've mobilized today or not. Okay. Thank you. I'll make a motion to approve the report from Kimley Horn and Associates. Do I have a second? I'll second. Voting signs in favor. Okay. Item 4.4. This is the parks and trails master plan. Discussion.

Yes. Good evening. Um, mayor, council, uh, thank you for this opportunity to present the parks trails master plan. Uh my Nasia Mahia with Kimley Horn and um on the next slide we're going to give you an an overview of of the presentation today and then my partner Anna will go over the um uh the draft components of the the master plan. Uh but the first uh uh we wanted to get tell you like the importance of why you have gotten this plan to this point and the give an overview of the schedule for the project and the report structure which is six chapters and then the next steps. So next slide please. Um, it's important to have a trails and master plan because it's a guide to help you uh and your community plan for parks and trails for the future as your community uh is expanding and quality of life uh resonated with your community as being an important uh component. And part of that is uh we assessed all of your existing park systems. We identified uh what the current and future demands are for uh parks, open space, and trails for your community. And then through a community engagement, we were able to identify what those priorities are for your community in regards to recreation and amenities. Um and the benefits of having a parks trails master plan is it establishes a framework of priorit prioritizing investment. That's that could be financial investment and that's also um an investment of of securing future uh land for some of these parks and and trails. And as developments come into place for uh your future growth um you can help uh identify those zones and also um as we said it's a strategy to secure funding through parks and trails

and wildlife department. They see that these plans are in place and they see that that uh public engagement was a component of this and that you have a vision and prioritize uh projects for your community. And it's also a guide for policy decisions as um this will inform some of those uh policies such as your Parkland dedication um uh and also some of those fees as well. Um, and as we said, one of the the major funding sources for our parks and trails, uh, specifically parks, uh, for smaller communities is the Texas Parks and Wildlife, uh, Department. And they they have various grants that help, uh, uh, support a community with implementing and building parks and trails. and and some of the requirements are doing a data inventory, a needs assessment within your existing uh facilities. We did a demographic analysis analysis and projecting your uh population. And another critical component is the um uh uh community engagement which uh we did as well. Um, this was a 10-month uh project process with the data collection and the inventory, the the needs, all of that was uh prior prioritized early in the um 3-month uh process. And it included an openhouse where uh we'll go into a little bit more detail, but it includes an open house where we were able to uh go out to the community and get some of this um initial um uh feedback. And then uh in the middle we were working on some of those uh vision recommendations and now we're into the implementation and adoption. But we also had a a public uh engagement survey in um uh the end of

July to get additional feedback. Next slide. Um in October 16th we presented this um presentation and this draft to PNZ. And some of the feedback that we heard was uh how you know this informs the Parkland dedication ordinances. And that's great because it does inform it now that you you actually go can go back and and um review and and update those ordinances which uh for your parkland or also fees. And the other question was regarding the grants and funding. Um the question was if if grants uh applied to uh city limits or also in your ETJ and um that's basically depending on the type of grant but the focus would be um inside the city limits and then um if we also worked with staff and coordinated future uh Colin County you know regional connections with the with the um thoroughare in the county and which we did. And then lastly, um, if we included parks analysis into this plan, uh, for your HOAs and and in this scenario, because it's very unique that there are a lot of HOA, uh, um, uh, parks, we did include that into the analysis, and you'll see a recap of that here uh, shortly. And with that, I'll let Anna present the overall report.

Thank you, Agnosio. Good evening, mayor and council. My name is Anna Rder. Um, and I'd like to go over some of the content of the report. There were six chapters in the plan. Um, starting with an introduction looking at community context and engagement, the strategic direction, and then in chapters four and five, it discussed the parks and trails specifically, and then finally, the last chapter looked at plan implementation. So within the first few chapters as Ignosio mentioned for TPWD funding requirements we performed a highle analysis of um demographics data. So we looked at population growth and population projections which helped inform some of our level of service analyses. Next slide please. We also looked at key household characteristics as well as rate race and ethnic composition. And then as part of the plan, we were asked to hold one um public engagement um opportunity. So in April of 2025, the Josephine open house was hosted in conjunction with the opening of the new community center. Um there were about 50 participants at this um engagement opportunity and it gathered feedback on park and trail priorities, opportunities, constraints, and prefer preferred programs and amenities. Um so the open house had seven different stations that um the community could provide feedback on. One of them looked at um priorities for parks and trails for the community. Um we found in our feedback that one of the biggest priorities was enhancing natural areas and open spaces as well as expanding programming and events and parks. um and then also improving trails and connectivity within the community.

Another station also um surveyed residents on preferred park and trail amenities and we found that for both of these um trails, shade and seating and pet friendly features were some of the most important amenities for residents. So from the feedback from the open house, we took that and helped inform some some of our strategic direction within the plan. So that looked at the vision statement and the guiding principles. Once we drafted those, we took them and posted them within a community survey in July. Um it was open for about three and a half weeks. It had 123 total participants with 35 fully completed surveys. um and it requested feedback on those vision statements and guiding principles specifically. Overall, we had really positive feedback from the survey. Um over 60% of our uh questions had a positive um reaction, positive feedback. Um and we also received some really valuable input through um written responses as well. So from the feedback from these two engagement events, um we were able to develop a long-term vision uh for Josephine through um both a vision statement and guiding principles. The vision statement which um there was feedback from this from the community. So, uh, we took that into account and developed, um, the vision statement, which is Josephine will create a connected and active community focusing on family-friendly amenities, access to nature, safe recreation areas, and accessible open spaces for all to enjoy. Guiding principles were also developed within the plan to help guide um the implementation plan itself. Uh, the first goal focuses on enhancing

connectivity through the community. Um, goal two looks at park and trail amenities. Goal three looks at preserving open space. And goal four covers diverse programming in parks and trails. So, moving on to chapter four, which looks at Josephine's parks. [clears throat] Um, in order to create a consistent framework to um plan future park spaces, these were the standards that were developed for each types of um park classification. So each park type um is characterized by its size, by its service area, and by its acres per 10,00 population. Um they also vary in the types of amenities that they have. So for example, a pocket park might have some smaller amenities like seating, maybe a small playground, whereas a community park serves a much larger portion of the population. Therefore, it will have um both passive and active recreation elements. for example, um active recreation fields or uh walking trails. The plan then performed um an inventory for the parks within Josephine's city limits and ETJ. And as Agnosio mentioned, we did look at both um private parks and publicly owned parks. Um just so we had a broader range uh to look at for Josephine's community. Currently, there is only the one um park within the city limits or sorry, excuse me, publicly owned park, which is the Josephine City Park. Um it's about 1.3 acres. Uh most of the others are located within neighborhoods in our neighborhood parks. Um there were also some open spaces and linear parks identified for a total of 31 um acres within the city limits and ETJ. The plan took a deeper look at um

Josephine City Park and performed a full inventory. So this looked at the existing amenities within the park. Um the inventory found that there are a lot of existing amenities but that the biggest issue is that those amen amenities lack accessible routes to most of them. Um but found that there are a lot of opportunities for walking paths or potential recreation fields in the future. So from the inventory and those parks classifications, this park service area map was developed. Um it shows which areas of Josephine and the ETJ are currently being served by parks. So as you can see to the west of Josephine, um there are not many parks in that area. Therefore, they aren't being served. And if you were to look at only um publicly owned parks, um there would be a deficit in the eastern area of Josephine as well. And then as part of the needs assessment, um Josephine's park acreage and service areas were compared to national benchmarks. These were um from the National Recreation and Parks Association. Um so you can see that currently in the city limits for um just the city park um there's about a 13 acre deficit in the city limits. And if you weren't to build any more parks um by 2040, there would be about a 24 deficit based on the population projections. Next slide, please. Um a recreational amenity level of service was also performed. So this looked at deficits and surpluses of amenities themselves. Um it's important to note too that this takes into account private parks. So that is why they're showing a surplus of playgrounds, splash pads, and swimming pools. Next is chapter five which looks at Josephine's trails. So similarly to the parks

classifications, there were also trail classifications that were developed. There were three types of trails identified in Josephine. Um the first being recreational, which is typically a path or loop within a park. um multi-use trails, shared paths, which um are typically found in easements or greenways, and then side paths that follow or are within a rideway. Um and then NCT COG and other national standards typically recommend that trails be a minimum of 8 feet in width. Um currently, Josephine um only has the one in Riverfield that meets that minimum. And then the trails were inventoried as well. Um there is one trail within city limits which is in Fountain View. The rest are primarily in Riverfield and in um Magnolia Point. From the trails or inventory, we found that there's a total mileage of 3.39 miles um within city limits and ETJ. But then specifically um within the city limits is just a half mile of trail. The level of service analysis was also performed for trails. Um so as you can see there is a deficit of trails currently and there will be by 2042 if there weren't any additional trails built. The plan also looked at um resource-based analysis um and this found that the existing facilities often lack connectivity via trails and sidewalks. Um but there are opportunities for safe trail connections to schools as well as building trails in right away and greenways. Um and there are opportunities to partner with other municipalities for regional trail connections. And that brings us to the final chapter which looks at plan implementation.

Um so as part of the strategic plan um this parks and trails master plan was um developed to guide future park and trail growth and suggest opportunity areas for development. It builds off of the needs assessment, the level of service analysis and existing park and trail inventories. So, as we pull the map up, [clears throat] we'd like to caveat that the bubbles shown do not um specify exact areas of development. Rather, they're showing opportunity areas where there are currently um deficits of parks. So, the dashill line represents that um park service analysis. So, everything within is currently being served by a park. Everything without is not. Um and so since many of the areas that are without or are outside of that line are within um single family designated zones, typically a neighborhood park would be an appropriate use there. Um the plan also identified opportunities to further recreational um resources and amenities at the um current city park so it become can become a future hub for the city. Um, as for trails, one of the biggest opportunities is looking at the um current railroad easement and developing a railstora network there to connect to um the regional trail network. There's also opportunities along um FM6 with text trails um and also connecting trails to existing community destinations like schools um the community center etc. Um TPWD also um requires an implementation plan as part of the plan. Um so this looked at prioritize action items. Um so this will help um guide

timing and um the development of the plan. And then the key so it includes priorities, the cost, time frame ranges, who is the responsible parties and the partnerships. Next slide, please. These are um two examples that are found within the report that show um the specific action item, the action type that it is, what the timeline for implementing it is, as well as the cost, who the responsible parties are, and then who are some partners to collaborate with. In addition to the implementation matrix, the specific investment projects were split out into their own table. So this shows the types of investment projects as well as their estimated cost and their priorities based on um community priorities. So finally um we are seeking adoption from city council tonight. Um and with that we are open to questions and comments. Go ahead, council.

Yeah, just one general question. If if from listening and I've read through the stuff earlier today, um if the city of Josephine only looks at our parks and trails that we have within the city limits, we're under a massive deficit. Correct. So, if it wasn't for our neighbors to the with the muds, we would look really really horrible. Is that is that a fair assessment? I would say yes. There's a pretty significant deficit within the city limits at this time. And I have a a couple questions. Um, were you told to advised to strictly work on Josephine or did you work with Ken County at all?

We were scoped to specifically work with Josephine, but we did look at for trails, for example, the potential partnerships we might have for trail and regal trail connections. So while this plan was being developed, Coning County is working on their regional trails plan. So there was um Kimley Horn did provide their materials as they were drafting this and Colin County took them and implemented them into their regional trail plan for this area. So the integration will be there and the goal was to ensure that at the time Colin County makes their funding available for trail planning and construction. We pretty much have an advantage now because we're fully aligned. Uh we're probably the most aligned city in the entire county for that. And um we did reach out to Hunt County. Uh this was a little bit later in the game. Um but they they also express support and interest in in regional trail planning efforts. Um I did go to the rail district and I'll touch on that in my next item. But uh there is some integration um not not directly from consultant to consultant but we were trying to make sure that there was some integration between our planning efforts.

Okay. Thank you. Do you think Yeah. One more question for you. Do you think uh based upon this report and I know we've applied for grants for parks with the county and been denied is this going to help us? Oh absolutely. And I have another question. Sure. So the commissioner's court did present their regional plan today and Josephine's not on there at all.

The they presented their parks and m their Colin County regional trails and master plan and it did indicate as we've talked about in previous months. Um they wanted the their goal was to provide direction for development of countywide trail networks and to create action plans for capital investments and provide guidance for policies particularly in smaller municipalities with limited staff. And so I don't understand where the hiccup was or what happened or maybe they forgot to add yours um because they did also talk about stakeholder engagement with city and and towns

in the materials that they have shared so far. They implemented um in alignment with us particularly in our east to west corridors. Um there were some that they did not add because they uh wanted to focus on what they believed were the more immediate or short-term needs rather than ours is more on a longer term vision. Um and um ideally with them it's going to be that spine corridor along the rail trail. That seems to be the highest priority and from there that sets a framework for a future network. But we we did include they did include some aspects that showed alignment with with our plan, but they didn't include everything that we asked for.

Um but there Josephine was nowhere except on the map. So might you have an opportunity to contact them and say maybe you forgot us? I will I'll I'll take a closer look at this. Appreciate it very much. Thank you for your report. Thank you. So, our vote tonight is on to accept the report. Yes. But it's it indicates cost and we don't know the cost. So, I would like to um I'm entertain or get some guidance on what you want us to vote on because it it asked about cost and we don't have an indication of cost.

We're not necessarily voting on cost though. We're just voting. It was the last slide that says cost high. Yeah, but there's no cost. We're just voting on the report. The report. Okay, perfect. Thank you so much. Just the plan. So, any future things that you decide to do in this plan or anything else that you might want to add over the years, u you consider those individually. We bring them before you at budget time. Um, and you give us direction as we go. So, we're not going to plan out specifically that we're going to do any particular item in any particular time. Um, just just the overall plan for itself and then we'll prioritize and uh you'll you'll guide us as we go.

Thank you. Anybody else have any questions for them? Thank you. All right, council. We need a motion. Anyone [clears throat] else? Was that 4.4? He's learning how to use his laptop. I'll make a motion to receive and accept the presentation from Kimley Horn and Associates regarding the proposed parks and trails master plan. Second.

All right. Voting signs in favor. Anyone opposed? No. All right. All right. This is you. 4.5. Receive Miguel's monthly city planner report. Mayor, members of the city council, Miguel Klan for the record. So, um it was a pretty pretty active month. Uh we still have those two concept plan cases open and under um continuous review. Uh we have a minor plat for Magnolia for their open space lot. Um we got uh we sent our comments. We expect the [clears throat] revised uh submittal in the next week for final approval by the city engineer and the city secretary. Uh there's three reasonzoning cases under review um on um two on FM actually all of them are on along FM6 um to reszone from single family residential to commercial. You'll be seeing those hopefully uh next month. Um the handout that I provided is uh for my item number four.

Okay. Sorry.

All right. Um, we received an uh an inquiry from um a consulting engineer representing a f a potential development that lies within our ETJ that also um falls partially within the city of Nevada ETJ and they were wondering if the city would be interested in relinquishing plat jurisdiction so that they can only go through one city. Um there is no framework to do that at the moment. So um and my request really is to receive direction from you all. Um is is there an interest to establish that framework so that this or any other project in the future where the city may find that it is in the best interest to relinquish that jurisdiction to a neighboring city.

Um do you all want me to work on an ordinance to bring that to y'all? Yes. Okay, I'll take care of that. And and again, we're not authorizing any plat relinquishing at this moment. This just to establish that framework and then individual cases will be brought up to council for approval. Okay.

I would assume that that would be if we have the lesser of the majority. Well, in in this instance, we have the majority as you can see in that handout. However, um this was something that the city relinquished the water services. So, the water service will be exclusively through the Nevada Special Utility District. Uh so, we've already relinquished something to it then. So, it would make sense to do it all. This would do the this would be the plot. In this instance, if we're found to not serve them at all, I mean, I really don't see what the city would gain. Well, that's why it'd be good for you to draw something up and council can look at it and make adjustments to it and then try to put something an ordinance or whatever to where in the future with case by case.

We'll do. Is is this a confidential discussion? I mean, I I don't know why the names aren't there. Uh, not necessarily. It was just a informal inquiry. There's no formal application at the moment. So this was just to establish the framework. I'll bring the formal request. If they decide to move forward with that request, we'll bring both items together next month. I'm assuming this one's the one.

We'll have to pursue the legal aspect of it, too, as far as can we do that by interlocal agreement or not? Because I haven't heard of one between city and city. We do have an agreement between the county and the city. So, we'll we'll kind of have to do a little investigative work to to see legally what we can do as well. Um I think the other items were not much changes from the last month. Um on the subject of the food trucks, um I wanted to touch on that a little bit because there is a request for a farmers market. There's an individual who wants to establish a farmers market uh in our city park. Um, and I I would like to request direction action if if the council is interested in in establishing a relationship with this um entity. Uh, I will clarify that is a for-profit entity um so that we can establish uh formal negotiations and then bring something to offer approval. And the reason I ask is because um the furniture and shading structures that could be chosen for the food truck, we have an interest in maybe bringing something that could be multi-purpose and used for not just the food truck at night, but also for the farmers market on the weekends.

I'm assuming they're going to be paying city taxes. Those details will be arranged and yeah, those those things would be hammered out at that time to make sure the city obtains what what needs to happen and the different furniture and awnings will match. Yes, we wouldn't have Okay. Yeah, I mean it it it would like it would have to be something that that matches.

Um we did receive from UT Dallas their estimate. The cost for their project to review our fee schedule for um planning and development applications is not to exceed $2,500. Um, if that is something y'all are interested in pursuing, I can go ahead and get that process going to bring you something next month and then they'll work on this in the spring. Okay, sounds um no updates from the texttop Dallas district. Um, we did um receive a phone call from the area engineer for Hunt County in the Paris district regarding the speed the informal speed study on FM6. And unfortunately um based on the results of that their recommendation would actually be to increase the speed limit. So what they um mentioned was that um it is best to keep it as is if we push forward with a formal speed study then they will be that will trigger an increase in the speed limit. So unfortunately there is no option at this moment to reduce the speed limit in those sections of FM6 that are that were reviewed and studied.

Miguel, could I ask um we can get back to the resident about that, but were you also able to explain to Paris that there were mailboxes knocked down? There were accidents with vehicles. Were you able to explain that? We will set up a formal meeting. This was solely to discuss the results. We're we're in the process of setting up a meeting. They're new to the area as well. So, we want to introduce them to the issues that that we're facing here. I don't think they're familiar with with the Okay. So, does that mean it could be revisited at the beginning of 2026? What does this mean?

Um, I'll have a conversation and push for them to revisit the issue. But, um, from experience, it is it tends to be difficult to ask them to reduce speed limit. They solely rely on their speed study and their policies and and it would be difficult to hate to say it but sometimes the only way they do that is when there's fatalities and major accidents. It there text is more reactive than than proactive unfortunately in our interactions with them. Thank you.

Um the public meeting for the outer loop is next week. I'll be attending just to observe and answer questions. Um, as you all saw, the alignment um was uh my understanding is Nevada favored it as well. The city of Nevada signed a resolution supporting that alignment closer to their city limit. Um the no updates on the throwover plan. Uh I did went to the rail district meeting. Um they are u looking for a new freight rail operator. Uh there seems to be a lack of formal consensus, but it does appear the majority wants to see freight rail eventually connect to WY and and extend u rebuild the rail line with a focus on freight rail. So there there would be uh no passenger rail. Um we are going to have discussions with them to talk about um connections because now that the outer loop alignment has been finalized, we already have interest from developers that want to develop in that area around FM6 and the future interchange with the outer loop and the lack of certainty with the rail line is becoming somewhat of a hindrance. And um we want to make sure that those developments can can happen and potentially our hope would be to for them to annex into the city so we can receive the property and sales tax benefits. So more to follow on that. Um and we will be bringing future land use plan changes as well for along the area in the outer loop. Uh we met with Hunt County. um they're pretty much overwhelmed with development on on their side of of the area. Um we will be um in much closer collaboration moving forward because we anticipate uh significant residential growth in that area. So we want to make sure that

they're prepared to handle you know [laughter] particularly in terms of uh thorough affairs and roads. Um UT Dallas is still working on our aerial map. Um, we'll be meeting with I already met with them. Um, I'm uh making revisions to their to their map and we hope to have that within the next month. And um I'm working with the Colon County U dispatch on the uh mapping out for uh calls. So they're already pretty much working on it. So we'll just align efforts and um they'll be they already were ahead of me. They'll they might take the lead moving forward, but they'll they'll be getting input from our department from planning and police moving forward. Uh is there anything in my report? Any questions?

Questions, council? Nope. Okay. Thank you. Make a motion to accept the report from city planner Miguel. I'll second. We have a motion and second. Voting signs in favor. All in favor. Thank you. I just want to say I see Miguel up there at 8:00 9:00 at night. This guy's putting in more hours than he should be. So, you need to go home a little bit, man. Uh we appreciate you, but I'm trying. Work life balance.

There's a lot of work to be done. Thank you. All right. Item 4.6. This time we will open a public hearing at 7:50 p.m. This is um case number Z25-001 126 Main Street. Um we have anybody here to speak? Is that why you showed up? No. [gasps]

Anyone here? If not, we will we will close the public hearing. We will close the public hearing at 7:50 p.m. This time we will open it up for discussion. Oh, mayor, members of the city council, my apologies. I totally forgot I was next. Uh the uh the item is for a property across the street where the sign is out. The developer uh or the property owner has a large portion in the back as well that he's trying to reszone to commercial. Um there is an interest potentially in a a commercial developer assembling all of the tracks here on this corner to bring in potentially larger, more significant uh retail development. Um PNZ had uh no comments. There was nobody to speak for against the PNT either and we recommend approval. Council questions, discussion. I mean, the only thing I I can say is is I mean that I'm I'm assuming that it's they're trying to connect to the to the property on the corner of 547.

So, yes. So, the party who purchased the corner piece purchased two other adjacent lots and those three proh properties are part of one of the reasonzoning cases coming up next month. So the the if all of those zoning cases are approved, you pretty much have the southwestern quadrant of that whole block as commercial pretty much with the exception of the blue house. That's

I mean really my only concern would be parking and um our city events and would it affect those and would it affect the parking at our city hall? Any of that kind of stuff. But other than that, I think it's a good idea. All right, we're looking for a motion. I'll make another I'll make a motion to adopt ordinance to amend the zoning uh ordinance and zoning map of the city of Josephine approximately 1.35 plus acres of land located at 126 Main Street to be zone C general commercial bu business other than retail. Voting signs in favor.

Huh?

Brad seconding. Voting signs in favor. Voting signs opposed. It's amazing.

All right. Next item 4.7. Let's open the public hearing for uh seven. Open the public hearing 7:53 p.m. This case number CA25-2-B. This public hearing, this is a um conduct a public hearing and consider testimony on a city initiated amendment to the code of ordinances chapter 14A section 36 changes and amendments to all zoning ordinance and districts and administrative procedures to repeal subsection 36.5.2 2, which requires a 3/4 majority of the city council to overrule a recommendation by the planning and zoning commission that a proposed change to a regulation or boundary be denied. Anyone speak on this? Nope. All right, we will close the public hearing at 7:54 p.m. Um,

mayor, council, this is a uh cleanup uh mandated by state law to sorry, this is a cleanup uh mandated by state law. Uh, all other instances spelled out in state law where the council requires a super majority are unaffected. This is solely in the case where PNZ recommends denial of a zoning change. Um, you all just need a simple majority to to overrule that. Council questions or for Miguel or discussion?

I'll make a motion to adopt ordinance amending the code of ordinance chapter 14A section 36 changes and amendments to all zoning ordinances and districts and administrative procedures to repeal subsection 36.5.2.

I'll second. All right, we have a second. Voting signs in favor. All in favor? Okay. 4.8. All right. We will open a public hearing at 7:55 p.m. This is case number CA25- [clears throat] 02- C. Good morning. This is uh conduct public hearing to consider testimony on a city initiated amendment to the code of ordinances chapter 14A section 22 use under land and buildings to revise the permitted uses in multiszoning categories and require specific use permits for certain uses in the C general commercial business other than retail zoning district. Do we have anybody here who would like to speak on this? Anyone? All right, we will close the public hearing at 7:56 p.m. Mayor and city council. Um, this city initiated amendment as a result of the feedback we've received from the public regarding having a third gas station. Um we have actually received interest from at least two more that that within the city and ETJ. So at least within the city we can try to zone them out. Um I u in my recommendation um on the recommended motion in the staff report is to approve subject to uh obtaining specific use permits for the affected properties. Um however I believe it may be better to do a PD instead for each of these. So we can do a city initiated PD where the only u

departure from our zoning regulation will be to allow the gas station or auto repair shop as a permitted use but all other regulations will still apply and the reason is that our current ordinance for non-conforming uses does not grant full protection to the existing business owner. So, if this passes as is as proposed originally and say a tornado hits one of our gas stations or the mechanic shop and destroys it beyond 60% of the reasonable value, they cannot rebuild if if the zoning change passes. So, we want to protect our existing established business owners as well as the Exxon Sonic that's under uh review because they're rested as they submitted a site plan before this ordinance amendment came in. So, um I respectfully request approval with the condition that you bring we bring back PDS or you could also continue the public hearing and table the item to the next month. I do have one question. Um, on the table that you listed, I appreciate the highlights in yellow for special permit.

Now, car wash is listed. We are the only city in this area that has had continual restrictions of water for since the spring. And so is it possible to remove car wash because previously we had a public hearing where citizens came for across from Sebastian and asked that no car wash go there because of our restrictions on water. Is it possible to take that out? Uh, I may have to do it as a separate zoning case and and readvertise the change. But yeah, we could we could look into that change as well. Although I don't want a car wash, but I'm not aware of what are the restrictions on the water. I'm the one where it I'm on level two. I don't know about you. [laughter]

I mean, that's I can only water twice a week when other cities can water every day, but that's all right. Uh, so if I hear you correctly, you want you would like to see the city remove the car wash as a permitted use. I would like to remove car wash because we have continual water restrictions and not a lot of water. No, no, yeah. I just want to make sure that's that's a direction you're you're requesting. So, um, I'll let the city attorney chime in, but to my knowledge, we're not able to add this to this specific zoning case, but I can um start the process to bring that as a separate um change and amendment as well. Thank you. So, we're going to table this item or

or move a motion. What? You was want to revise it. You can't you can't revise it without starting over. Okay. Well, have to so advertise it what you suggest. So, case like you said. Yeah. But it sounds like they want to just do that separately and keep this one as is.

Um, you could approve with the condition that we bring back PDs. So, the ordinance wouldn't be signed until we have PDS signed as well for the four properties that are effective. Or you can just table it until we have everything together at the same time. It doesn't it ain't going to matter. We're not going to sign it either way. Yeah. Table it till next month. Yeah. But I don't think you can just table it to next month. It's got to be started over. Correct. No. If you want to add it to this particular ordinance, you'll have to start over because if you're going to add to this particular ordinance, you have to start over.

Or you can pass this and then bring another one back to eliminate the car wash. Well, we're not talking about the car wash. So, I thought we were talking about the the gas stations and protecting it. You can table. Yeah, the the car wash is completely separate and independent. So, yes, you could table continue the public hearing to a defined date, which would be next month. That way, I don't have to readvertise on the newspaper and that's another cost to the city. So, uh you met your advertising obligation by hosting the public hearing tonight. You can continue the public hearing and table the item to the next month and nothing changes. The or it's got to go back through today. If it's table car,

no car wash the car wash is table. We're not discussing that tonight. We're only talking about this ordinance. We're not talking about the car wash. You got you got people that want to right now. We're we're not going to take it. You're want the city. That's a separate issue. you're trying to but but it wouldn't take effect until we have PBS to protect the non-conforming uses. [clears throat] Well, SUV is going to do the same thing, right? You don't have to back up and No, no, we we're we're not I don't think anybody has Yeah. No, I I understand what you're what you're saying. Um,

I I request [clears throat] that you approve it subject to PDS or SUPs for the affected properties. Can you say that again so I please? I recommend approval of this ordinance as presented subject to the staff initiating for plan development or specific use permit applications for the affected properties with the the car wash as as a separate correct coming back coming back. That's not what this ordinance. No. So just adopt it as it is is what you're saying. No. Adopt it with what?

The my recommended motion and requested motion would be to adopt this ordinance as presented subject to the condition that SUPs or PDS be brought forward for approval by the PNZ and city council for the four affected properties. PDS. I didn't understand that. I'm sorry. I was trying to write it down. Okay. um SUPs or PDS or what for for the affected properties. So just one question. So why would we have to do that? Shouldn't they be grandfathered in under the old ordinance? Why would we have to bring them in as a special meeting?

Because the current ordinance [snorts] that quote unquote grandfathers them in doesn't protect them from full destruction. So if a tor like let's say this is a proof that's presented a tornado hits the shell tonight they can't rebuild tomorrow like they're they're done. So our interest was preserving those property rights for the existing and that one that's already vested by law.

But the council could approve the ordinance as presented without that protection. I was my recommendation was to have a tool whether it's a PD or SUP to protect those property owners the current ones that we currently have

the way it's written would move these uses into a specific use permit category if they can already doing a PD to get around this destruction problem. We don't need to amend the ordinance at all in that regard. And you can't do it with this ordinance because that's not what PNZ recommended or what you advertised. So you either take this one or not as it's advertised as as it's on your agenda. Correct. Can't be no adjustments, nothing. You can't add conditions to it. Yeah. So, we're going to have to readvertise no matter what.

Well, only if if it can't already do it by PD. So, you're saying that they still can come back with a PD if if something happens, as he's saying,

these users, you're going to have, I think, at least two businesses that will be nonconforming, which means if the property is destroyed, as Miguel has clearly pointed out, they can't rebuild it at all. And if it's less than 60% council couldn't permit it to be rebuilt. The way to for them to get around that is to reszone it for an SU under this ordinance. If you wanted to also include putting that in under the PD section in here, you'll have to start over again because that wasn't what was presented or advertised or or approved by P&Z. It's not on your agenda that so can't can't add wrinkles to it.

I think we should just start all start all over all together if and change what we want to change. Yeah. Car wash part and then [clears throat] it has to I mean if we're going to add that it has we have to start it over and then we can do fresh.

So we need to make a motion to table it. No matter what happens now, I will have to come back at least in January for SUVs or PDS or whatever those property owners want to do regardless of whether this passes tonight or not. So I can start over. You can just deny the request. So Rob, what you were saying is if we pass the ordinance as is and then the the property owners can turn around and come back within the next council meeting or two and file and and then the council can grant them that

the process of zoning case through B and Z just like you did this one for their property to make a specific use permit out of it. You can put conditions on a specific use permit when you grant it, but you can't put any conditions on changing the text of the ordinance tonight. So, what is your recommendation for council? Your legal. I'm not recommending anything. I just I would rather start over that way. You say we start over or if you want to put if you want to change the zoning ordinance to also put these uses under the PD column in the use tables, you have to start over again. I

I think this is a prime example on why we're not business friendly as Josephine. We we've got to make this easy. We got to make this easier. Right. I don't think we want them to have to come up here, right? I don't I don't think they should have to file additional paperwork for to protect their business of something that we've already approved. I agree. So that we start over and put it in the ordinance and and include the car wash. You you could The problem with PD is they've got to prepare and file site plan. Yeah. Which with got the legal description in it and a scale drawing and it's not a simple process

etc etc. So, an alternative I could offer for the sake of discussion is that you could amend the non-conforming use section to allow for easier rebuilds in this situation in in a situation.

If if the goal is to stop more gas stations from coming, then we need to remove gas station as a permitted use in the commercial district. Because for example, if the property here on this corner is reszone to commercial next month, the very next day I can have Quick Trip submit a site plan and I have nothing to stop it. So my goal with recommending the SPRPD was to protect those property owners. But if you want to separate the the process, we can do that. Just my then uh approve the ordinance as presented or and then either the property owners will either have to come back with an SUP in case of rebuild or we amend the non-conforming uses section to grant additional protections for property owners effective.

I do have an opinion about that. The whole reason for that section is to eliminate nonconformities, not to perpetuate. That's the whole theory of zoning. Mhm. So I I would not change that. But I think if that's what you're driving at, I would recommend you pass it as it threatened tonight. That'll give you that protection until we can figure out whether PD also should be included there. PD is a lot more trouble for So if we pass it as it is tonight and then turn around, what is our options after that if we want to add that?

If they want to file an SU application, that's I think that's what we told them they could We had we had talked uh in the office about perhaps waving the fee for the application since this is a city initiated effort to protect the the existing businesses.

We don't want to cause them any harm at all. We we just here we just here we see that we have plenty of gas stations. We do want to make it possible one way or the other through an SUP. The grocery stores we talked to have all said that it would be not likely to come in here unless they can also have fuel cells uh sales as as well. So we want to make it possibility um but we you know we don't want everyone to have a gas station. Certainly want to protect the ones that are already there because they have an investment. Well, we're all trying to reach the same goal. We just need to figure out how we want to what's the best way to go about it.

I'd personally pass I would recommend approval of this one and then staff would would start working with those businesses to get an SUP um going as soon as possible. All right. Because I think as Miguel stated is his concern would be if somebody files an application tomorrow he has he can't do nothing about it which we're you know or in the next 3 weeks. Um if we pass this can we at least have some accountability where somebody says hey we've reached out to those two business owners. That's what I care about is making sure that we we're intentional in the process of making sure that that's

and one of them did come here and had and at PNZ and in an email had asked for this item to be tabled until they had some protection but in this what I wrote in my recommendation in the report was to delay this so that I could bring concurrent separate applications so that everything could be approved at the same time in January. But if the urgency is there to just right now deny new gas stations from coming, you can do that tonight and then we'll figure out the solution for the existing businesses for January. So, do we have um hypothetically or

in discussion? Has there been a grocery store with a gas station that has approached you and said they want to come here? [clears throat] We, and I'm not talking about quick trip and bread. I'm talking about they don't want their name put out there. I didn't ask for a name. I just asked for the entity. Our our department talks with multiple prospects. I will say that retail trends have shown that almost every grocery store now has a gas station component which is why my recommendation was to uh have that used as an SUP so that council could grant it at that time. We don't have one approve so one has not approached us yet.

We we have discussions with various businesses all the time. We just don't have anything, you know, nothing official as far as applications moving forward. Have we had a sit down meeting with one? We haven't announced because those things are competitive. So, we don't put they just don't want their name put in the public. Correct. There to answer the question. There are prospects. That's that's all I can share. We have a lot for everything that gets on the P&Z agenda or the council agenda. We have a lot of meetings before that before it ever reaches a public meeting. in in a hypothetical situation, if you're asking, is this a deal breaker for a grocery store?

It sounds like that's what you're asking. Uh, probably. But again, that is why we keep the SUP to allow council and and staff the ability to entice them and say, "Look, there is an opportunity to for you to have a gas station if you need one, but we don't want to keep we don't want to just open the door." But we'd have to under what you're saying though, they'd have to do the same thing as do a PD to come in so they're protected if something happens to storm manage so they can rebuild their gas station or Yeah. Yeah. So So

I mean it's either that or you just leave the door open for gas stations to come all do whatever that anybody to do whatever. I mean, for a business to to file an the PD or whatever, that's, you know, these big corporations, that's nothing for them. They I I honestly think that if a grocery store were to come here and they wanted a gas station, they'd be willing to do a little bit extra just to get that just to come here. I'm just looking at the the west side of Josephine when the outer loop gets put in. They're they're going to want to put a gas station there.

So, the right now most of that is in DJ. So this would be a mute argument. However, um I guess the interest from the city would be to entice them to annex and the way to do that would be probably a PD to grant them flexibility from our current codes. And that would include a portion that would allow the gas station by right. Yeah.

Okay. So now I'm going to ask a procedural question and I'm sorry to slow us down here. Um, there are many situations where committees will say, "I'll make an appointment with you later. I'll put it on the agenda later." Um, which could be 30 days from now if if we can revisit this, [clears throat] but it's going to take longer than that. Is that what you're going to say that it's going to take longer because we have to refile the newspaper, we have to redo what's in writing. I I I just

there are there are people who come to organizations and say I want to do X and the decision-making body says sure I'll put you on the agenda for January not tomorrow and so when that kind of situation occurs that would give us time to resolve all of this in the meantime. So the re as this was going through the process. So let me let me take a step back. All of this came up about trying to stop additional gas stations. At the same time, we're trying to balance the protection of the existing gas stations.

When this ordinance went to PNZ, this case went to PNZ. And before that, as I was preparing my report, I was looking at the non-conforming uses section. I asked the city attorney for clarification because the or the the text was was somewhat vague at first. After clarification from the city attorney, it became apparent that if the ordinance passes as is right now, that clause doesn't protect them at 100%. So to answer your other question, so let's say you pass this tonight and let's say the Shell gas station says, "Well, I want an SU." they can come in tomorrow or we can start the application either that's that's irrelevant. I would have to advertise for PNZ and council for December and January and and that application would come to y'all at the very earliest in January. But until that happens, until y'all approve an SU, if this passes, those businesses are unprotected. I I get I guess I'm I'm as a lay person, I just I'm not quite sure why this isn't an insurance company decision versus a city ordinance issue that if there tornado knocks them out and you talk about the 60%. Wouldn't that be an insurance company decision versus a city decision?

Well, by the the ordinance, they can't rebuild. So, so who makes that determination? I've never had to deal with that. I'll have to defer it to the attorney. As as the attorney mentioned, the purpose of the non-conforming uses section is to eventually, right, as these uses fade, you don't bring them back. Mhm. So, it's to protect the city from an undesired use that's already there, but you know you don't want and you don't want it to come back in the future. So, if a tornado hits the gas station under this ordinance, they can't rebuild. Well, they can if they just come back to they can right now if they put an SCP or whatever. Yeah. Right. But but that's basically what the he's the ordinance is.

Well, I guess this is where if they I mean I'm just thinking of Willard when it got hit, right? I mean that building sat there vacant forever before they finally started doing anything with it and it's still kind of mixed use. Well, that's because Willard took the money and left. Well, I mean it's that's the whole thing. I mean, if something hits and takes out the Shell station and they just said, "Okay, I'm done. I'm out. See you." We don't want them to have someone come in and rehab that back to another gas station. I mean,

that's not that's not that's not what we're saying. The ordinance. That's why we would have to have the owner come in and do the or we would have to file it for them. It have to come back to council. That way, if something like that happened, it's already in there with the SU or whatever. There is a but there's no reason they couldn't come back to us in a special permit at that point of the disaster and say hey I want to put this in again and why no that's a separate no it's commercial property right it's commercial property under a special use right if I guess hypothetically let's just use the shell as an example right so

the non-conforming use has a six-month abandonment clause right so let's say a tornado hits if they don't do anything with that building within 6 months it's considered an abandoned use and then can no longer be rebuilt. Okay? Regardless of how the but then the next land owner that comes in, what can they do with the property? They can't build a gas station there. If if this is passed, they wouldn't be able to. Why? Because then you would be removing it as a permitted use. They would have to come to you for an SU. Correct. They could come back, but the new owner could come back. They could just come in and say, "I'm building a Exxon, you know, right? I understand that. But they can come back and to do a special use permit to do it." Yes. Correct. That's what this whole So, there is a path for them to rebuild a gas station on that lot. Yes. Yeah. But they just have to file an application.

We We just don't have the SU in place right now. So, we'd have to get those um business owners to apply. And I think we could wave it. It sounds like we're dealing with a lot of hypotheticals right now. That's my problem because right now there's there's Yes, there's a inherent risk if something devastates. Well, that's what we've been talking about the whole time. I know. I know. But that's why I'm trying to understand what I don't see the problem with the way it's written as stated. We do have the thing that they were talking about was we want to put this in place to eliminate future future future and like right now say Quick Trick comes in and says we want to buy this corner but also they're they're looking out for the current business being good being good partners within the businesses. I

they're looking out for them and saying and that's why the they talk to the business owners and they're like, "Hey, if something happens, I can't rebuild." So, us as a city wanting to be pro business and not against business and we should and 10 years from now, you got a different council that business owner is looking at, well, 10 years there may be a different council. They may not want me here. So, so let me finish my thought. So the four that are there now I don't have a problem with the way this is written going back to those four for owners and basically saying hey we oppose this on you and this is where we from the lawyer perspective can the city wave all the can we decide right now tonight to wave all fees and and push that paperwork through or does it have to be another agenda item that will be part of the application

when we bring the application that could be a request I don't understand why we can't do that we can when brought to us. No, no, no. Why can't we just do that now? And not tonight. I get tonight. Well, no. I understand that tonight. I understand. Not the first thing we need to do is pass. We have this in December is my point. Because he doesn't have enough time to post it and get it all for waving the fees. PNZ. No, they the full SU. Yeah, we can wave the fee, but we're talking I'm saying we got to make it easy on the business owners. That's that's my point. I don't want to I don't want any undue stress or harm on the business owners just like cities are allowed to do city initiated requests. Yeah.

So we could initiate SUPs on behalf of those property owners as long as they sign a letter saying I can represent their interest in applying for the SUP. Then I can submit the application. There shouldn't be a fee charged. It's a city initiated request. So if you direct me to do that, I can get that process done and have those SUPs in this public hearing in January.

Do you have any concerns? We we can also in the future make car washes SUP as well. So, we're good with it.

Yeah. All right. I'll make an ob u a motion to adopt an ordinance amending the code of ordinances chapter 14A section 22 use of land and buildings. We have a second Okay, I just asked that question. I wouldn't have made the motion if I

I'm I'm struggling. I'm just struggling with it myself. That That's all I mean. Well, do are you struggling with them say them saying they agree to wave the fees? Is that the only thing stopping you is the fees? Well, the problem is is we're we can we can say that tonight, but we don't know what the next council's going to do. That's my concern. Future agenda. We're talking about the next 30 days. If it doesn't matter if if if it's city initiated, then it Yeah, it's got to be initi Yeah, it's going to be on agenda item. No, what I'm talking about is fees.

How about this? We at the end of this meeting, we can put something on the agenda with four people's votes. Do you want to do that? If we can all agree to do that now, then we can go ahead and pass this ordinance that or we can take we can shoot my ordinance and shoot it down. I don't care. I just if that's what everybody wants, I'm just trying to get past it. We need to pass it and get over the fees somehow.

Anything city initiated is I mean that's the biggest complaint we get is that people don't want more gas stations. Yeah. Can we make a motion and add the caveat of waving fees? You can't add anything to this.

Like I said, we can add that to the They still have to go through and get approved by the city council though, right? And the PNZ. They do, but we I mean we can we can do all of the work for them. All we need is their approval to apply for the SUP on their behalf. So you think account the which for example the shell already expressed an interest in in allowing me to do that. So you think the council would turn that down for the current business? I have no idea what the next council is going to do. I I don't I don't know what they're going to do. The other option is just to start over. You got to give them a little credit. It wouldn't make any sense to turn it down. I mean it's really Yeah. Are you kidding? I say table it.

I'll I'll make a motion to to table this till the next council meeting. I'll second uh voting signs in favor. So that'll be to continue the public hearing. Yeah. To uh what date do we have to set the next meeting date? You can well someday the next the next regular meeting. The next regular meetings. So, let's put a date on December 8th. December the 8th. Who made the motion? I did. I'll make a motion to table this and continue the public hearing till December 8th.

Second. Yeah. Yeah. There's It's three to two, I think, right now. So, let's revote just to be clear since he redid it. Four for tableabling. It's not tableabling it. It's It's to extend the public hearing. Yes. Yeah. So, Okay. And then So, y'all voted Okay. Just trying to put it make it clear. Yep. So you got three here, two here. Is that correct? Yes.

Yeah. 4.9. Yeah. I'm trying to look. All right. 4.9 Review of Josephine Police Department dispatched and officer initiated call data for the month of October 2025 for Magnolia and Riverfield muds city limits and discussion. Thank you, Mayor Council. Uh

this is a little bit more complicated. When I first got here, you know, we had the 911 calls going to Rockall County, Hunt County, Colin County. We were missing calls. The fire department was missing calls. We got that changed. But this is a little more complicated than that's going to be and that was kind of complicated. But we work we our our record management system is is we piggyback off Colin County Sheriff's Office. So, uh we're pretty much at at how they when they can do things and stuff like that. Uh these numbers uh I don't feel like are [clears throat]

right now can be 100% accurate. Uh Melissa did did one way and Lieutenant Lenir did another way and and their numbers came up pretty close but a little bit different. Um when we have the uh self-initiated calls in the city limits, there showed to be 721 uh 224 of those were were business checks, business parks, uh community center, 137 special watches, and then 299 traffic stops. Uh we have approximately 8,000 cars that go on uh six FM6 each day and so the majority of the traffic stops are going to be on the fartomarket roads and not uh in subdivisions on the officers initiated in the muds was 232 uh and that uh included traffic stops and it's expected to be lower uh like I said in the neighborhood. hoods than out on the highways for emergency calls. And this is kind of where it kind of gets a little bit where it's different. Uh some of these emergency calls are are officers initiative. So if an officer, you know, gets a call in the lobby here, uh it wouldn't be coming in as a 911 call. It would only show as an officer initiated. if if an officer was driving a neighborhood and someone stopped him to report a crime, that's not going to be coming in on 911. So on Lieutenant Laneir's on emergency calls, u he showed that the all of the muds uh with 106 emergency calls was 61% of our calls that we take and the city limits uh was 67 uh emergency calls for the month of

October, which was 38%. and cited by the uh Central America Progress Study, it shows that all 911 calls uh consume 50 to 60% uh more time than other calls because there's usually followup and investigations and stuff like that. On Melissa's u this that was Lieutenant Laneir's numbers, the 61 and 38. on Melissa's on emergency calls, she showed um the city limits had uh 34% at 67 calls for the month of October and 54% for the muds. And this was very time consuming on both of our parts to get these numbers. U Colin County has been working on a grid system for us. Uh, and when I asked him, uh, when Alex had asked that that we create a deal for the neighborhood watches and, uh, for Magnolia and Waverly, I thought that would be pretty simple for Colin County just to create that. And they're saying that they have to go in manually and put all these grids into that whole subdivision and before they can do that. And so they said it was just for the magnolia and let's see here for them to add grids for magnolia and wavery. It took 32 hours with somebody with the sheriff's office to do that. So I know that there's other u software out there. Me and Lis has talked about other software uh besides this to where we can get more accurate stuff. But when these grids do all get in place, then we would be able to tell you how many calls are in High Meadow, how many calls are in Fountain View, how many calls are in in uh

Magnolia or Waverly or anything. Uh and and they are working on it. They so far they told me they've entered uh the city of Josephine, Magnolia, Liberty Ranch, Murray Manor Estates, Waverly Estates, Fountain View, and Cotton Belt Estates, which I didn't even know we had a Cotton Belt Estates, but I think it's over here off of Hubard and Cotton Circle. Uh the uh the other, like I said, the other companies that we could go with um I talked to Roy City and they have a a program where they can just market out what areas they want to see what kind of calls they're getting. uh but it's through Tyler technology but like anything else if we go to another uh it's going to be to implement it it's going to be very timeconuming but there's no quick fix to to get really accurate numbers in my opinion I I have a question chief if you don't mind the satch um is that I'm I'm assuming that's is that a selfinitiated um call for service

that's probably a a special watch for like it might have been someone had a domestic or something like that and they wanted us to watch their house for a couple of weeks or something like that. And is it my I'm assuming would the officer just selfinitiate that like um go on whatever RMS system they have or their MDT that's in their card and say hey I'm going to create a call and and do that and then Colin County dispatch would see that. Correct. Yes. Okay. Yeah. All of our all of our calls, whether it's selfinitiated or emergency calls, go through Colin County and to our MDC in the computers and it's all tracked and that's how we our monthly stuff.

So, would the S watch be considered maybe kind of like a I'm I'm assuming it stands for security watch or uh Well, there's there's several different watches. They have like a close watch. They have a I think a house check. Uh

and and in those when a when an officer creates a call for service, can he just not put like in a comments or is there like a is there a a box in there anywhere where he can just put where let's say well when you create a call you can have CAD notes I would believe that you could the officer could implement. Can you not put in there like, hey, instead of asking Colin County to create a whole another drop down menu or buying another software, could we just because I remember seeing the the the statistical data for like per officer and we can see where they were at specifically if they had a domestic disturbance or a traffic stop. It gives a location. Can the officer just not say, "Hey, I'm going to do a security watch and put in the location fountain view." And when we go to look at the historical data, which I'm assuming Colin County doesn't pull that data, we probably pull that data on our end.

We have to put an address in to validate that address with Colin County. Got it. Uh if we don't have that, then they will give us a list of, hey, you need to go back and validate all these addresses. Okay, makes sense to me. Um and and just something moving forward too, um average response times. I know that's going to be a a hard grab, but just just to see some kind of data on response times because I'll I'll talk to you off hand on that, but just if there's a way to see what an average response time would be,

I believe they can get because they I've seen some response times in the past. Uh, of course that's people having to make sure they hit the button when they check on scene. But all of our call sheets when they get clear, if they don't make a report, they have to put remarks in there to where that tomorrow morning I come in, I read it, I want to know, I want to be able to understand what they said happened on that call. So interesting. Every one of our uh calls should have remarks in them.

Awesome. Well, the goal of all this is just to really just to show, you know, when we ask our our partners in the mud to say, "Hey, we're going to increase a certain fee." We we got to have receipts. And I think this is a step towards just showing those receipts and transparency in what we do. And also to benefit both ends of this partnership to say, "Hey, we're averaging this response time." And it's Colin County is going to be the the holder of all the facts because all the calls get processed through them. And when they get initiated or dispatched when same as fire or police, hey, you know, engine one, whatever, you're going to this specific location. Hey, I copied that. And hey, I'm on scene. They start their size up or they arrive on scene. They've got to give it time when they're on scene. That keeps everybody accountable. And that's what I want to maintain that we are being transparent with our our times and and our numbers. And that's all. And I thank you for everyone that's put in the work so far to get to this point. But thank you. Well, we're committed to uh providing you this information even if we do have to do it by hand until we have a better system in place. So, we'll continue to do that and we'll check into what's possible for the response time averages.

Thank you. [cough]

No, there's no action on that. [clears throat] Okay, we are on item 4.10. [sighs and gasps] This is review and discuss discussion of a possible ordinance. Another ordinance requiring all city employees, volunteers, and officials to disclose any potential conflicts of interest involving business or financial matters with the city. So, we did not get the official draft ordinance in time for the packet, but there was there is one at your places in each of your places. There's a the ordinance that Rob created based on what Dr. Sarda was looking for. There may have been a couple of compromises there just due to maybe some inconsistencies with state law, but I think the gist of what she was looking for is in the draft ordinance that you have in front of you. We also included in the packet um the current personnel policy manual which does require um anyone any employee that has outside employment to inform their um their supervisor and each department does have some separate rules. Uh for instance um police department rules are probably a little bit more stringent than maybe some others. I appreciate attorney Dillard um providing insight here and um I'd be willing to just move forward and move that we accept doc uh attorney Dillard's version.

I have a question for the attorney. Under employee, it doesn't include elected officials. No, but if I reference You are not did you say? Yeah. What if that term under definition employees stated local public officials and I'm pulling this directly from the text, you know, the local government code section 171.

171 applies. Okay. You see there's already a disclosure requirement in the state code for council members. Is this doubling up on the requirement? The whispering could we're having a lot hard time hearing um for getting the minutes down. If we could maybe stop with the outside whispering if you don't mind the audience. [clears throat] Is this already covered anywhere or is this [snorts] Not

we have um we have it in our personnel. We don't have a disclosure that looks like Dr. Sardos in our uh personnel file. We just have to you have to notify your immediate supervisor if there is a conflict as far as a financial interest. Um our employees would fill one of those out on this on the state form. Um we have one to date that is on file. Maybe one one that's relatively recent on file. um situation just hasn't come up

right in regards to this. I mean, I think some of the purpose of the verbiage, I think it's very I just would like to see it rewritten a little bit better so it didn't look like we're making it look like we're we're going after our employees here. Um I kind of wrote my own version of a purpose. Again, I think it's just going to end up being more of a sitdown discussion type thing for everybody to kind of agree on this. I I'm for what she's for, but I think there's just some things I would like to see added and removed um to kind of benefit I think a little bit. Like for instance, the ethics state, they have their own CIS and CIQ form. I think we should just adopt the states. It's everybody uses it. Why not just keep in sync with everyone else? um instead of I saw her form which is I I see what she submitted, but why not just go with what we what the state is saying is the ethics. Why not just implement theirs and and run with that? Um I did my research and I looked at a couple other cities and they're doing along the same. I've looked at other ordinances and see what they mirror and I think ours is a little

most follow the state ethics one. Yeah. And that's what I would like to to follow along with that. That's that's my opinion. We're already doing that. Well, Dr. Dr. S, what what aren't I mean, I just want to know. I mean, what aren't what's not addressed in the state one that's here? I'd rather discuss it in executive session if that's what's needed. And we can delay this another month. That's fine. Yeah. So, you can approve it how you want to. I I'm not here to throw anybody under the bus. I'm I'm sorry. That's obviously what you're doing. No. Hey. Okay. We're not going to argue. Yeah. I I think obviously

obviously, you know, no employee should be, you know, using their position to gain a monetary benefit if they run a a business. You know, you I just think that's just a poor practice there. But I I think this just needs to be a sit down conversation so we can look at the current policy that we have and maybe revise that policy and have a way for like a chain of command. So if an employee is is aware or if a supervisor is aware of an employee is doing such conduct, there is a way to reprimand that individual and and being transparent as such. That way if that employee is doing it is it's all public. I mean I just want to keep with the fair practices.

Yeah, I agree. in it being so this may if if doctor's okay with just postponing this but revisiting this maybe in a tableside meeting so we could go through it at all and make sure we're or even if it just our policy is revised or but there obviously needs to be some because I I'm looking at the current policy as it sits and and it and it is a little aggressive even towards some people who are first responders who do side businesses and and and use that side side benefit to if they're off they're off and they've decided to have a business but it doesn't conflict with the the city. I think that they should do that. We we should encourage uh entrepreneurship. Y but and in some of this I mean which policy are you talking about?

Uh being aggressive. I'm just curious so I can make sure we're all following. You said it. I I think if if a city employee has his business and he's working from this time to this time and he says, "Hey, I want to go hang Christmas lights to supplement my income so I can stay a first responder." No, I understand. I don't think that person should have to notify a supervisor. I understand that it's covered this and says moonlighting and and doing other things work. What I'm what I'm asking is where you where is that at and the one the one that she's proposing or the one that the attorney that's in our current the one that's in our current. Okay. And it should be revised. Gotcha. So, just wanted that clarified that way was when it was in the current or the one that we're proposing.

Yeah. I just mentioned last month that I want everybody to make as much money as they possibly want to. I am a capitalist, but I do not want any entity doing business with the city to feel coerced into doing business with somebody's second income side gig to get to be able to do business with the city. I don't care if people make $100,000 in Rowlette or Sherman. I just do not want an entity that comes to the city to feel forced to go through a second business to be able to do business with the city. That's my only request.

So, are we putting this one off or and revisiting? Do we table it, Rob? Yep. Are we not tablepone to the future or we just push it to the future? Push it to I heard two different I heard two different things. I heard we want to we want to postpone this till the next city council meeting, but we also need an executive session to do a work session with this. So, which which one are we wanting to do? I'm happy with either one. [clears throat] But

I think we uh have obviously some revisals done to this so we're not sitting down with the same thing we have now and have it kind of revised to where we can sit down and look at it. Yeah, I think that's that's subcommittee. Happy to do that. Thank you. Are you satisfied with this being a policy update? Absolutely. I I am flexible. Flexible. All right. So,

so Alex and I'll work offline and quickly or and within a reasonable time and get something back to it by the next. Okay. So, I'll make a motion to table this until the next city council meeting. to postpone it to the next city council meeting. Yes, to postpone the next city council meeting. Thank you very much. And I'll second that. Uh we have a second. Voting signs in favor. Voting signs oppose.

All right. Where we at? 4.11. This is discussed. Consider an act to adopt a resolution accepting the donation of vehicles, equipment, and real property including land and building located at 2011 West Hubard Street from the Josephine Volunteer Fire Department. Thank you, Mayor Councelor. Uh this is uh I guess a big step in the direction of uh bringing over the volunteer fire department under the city of Josephine. So, uh, worked with the I want to give special thanks to the, uh, volunteer board and to, uh, Chief Mccardi. We inventoried. This is all the major capital items that we would list as assets. There's a lot of little small items we didn't board with those details. Um, but this was uh, as you can see, we included the October minutes from the uh, volunteer board meeting. Um, all the assets were discussed. they voted to transfer now present it to you as you can accept those and we this will be kind of the first major material step in converting the fire.

Thank you and congratulations. So um just looking at the ordinance it still says 501c3. It's there it's 501c4 C4. Yeah. So we need to have that amended on the ordinance. See that? Okay. Um, and just just for clarification, this is just transferring the assets. This isn't taking over the operation of the fire department currently, right? It's taking over the assets. We're also in process of taking the volunteers. We've doing all their applications and we're processing them through human resources as we speak. So, as that starts to come over, then we're going to be in a mid phase there for a little while. So, Chief McCarti is still in place. It's a process. So there's just not one date where we flip the switch.

Okay. So while we're in this transition period, we're still fully funding the fire department, right? They're still getting their So their November check is a full check. Actually, they got a partial one. Um and we may end up adjusting that a little bit as needed until we actually get that date. We just don't have that target date of when we're saying the city's got all the bills. The fire department no longer has or the volunteer fire department no longer has bills. We'll work on that one-on-one with the the fire department. So, if they need more, we'll we'll have a discussion with Chief McCarti today because there's going to be times where the volunteer port's going to have to pick up, but then you have to give it to me and then I get it reimbursed. So,

Right. Yeah, I know. It's it's going to be a little crazy. I just want to make sure that we're we're still being good partners with them and we're making sure Absolutely. That's the intent and and we'll work on the accounting as we need to to get it right. And and thank you. I know that was a lot of work. Um, I can tell you these guys put in a ton of hours inventorying everything over in that station. Um, it's it's been amazing. Uh, not only that, and that's really where I got to give the chief chief McCarti because um, you know, become compliant under the state. We had to get all the gear inspected, cleaned, repaired. We had to test all the hose. We had to test all the ladders. We had um, what else? We did a bunch of things.

Yeah, this was this was a man did most of it. We would not be standing here cuz I'm only here 30 days and Chief Mccardi probably did 60 days worth of work in those 30 days. So, it's fantastic. Yeah. So, huge huge thank you out to them. I don't have any other questions. I'll make a motion accepting the donation of vehicles, equipment, and real property including land and building location located at 2011 West Hubard Street from the Josephine Volunteer Fire Department. Second. We have a second. Voting sounds in favor. All in favor? All right.

Next item is yours too. 412. Discuss consider an act to approve a service agreement between Fire Recovery USA LLC and the city of Josephine for billing services related to vehicle accidents and emergency incidents.

Yeah, this is a current contract that the uh volunteer fire department uses. It's pretty common amongst fire department. There are clauses uh within your insurance policy. It's the majority of the calls are accidents and we can bill and recover some fees kind of behind the scenes I'll say. Um, so we have a company, a third party that comes in, bills uh, your insurance and then they pay at what your policy says. So it's not a huge windfall, but uh, it's certainly worth doing. There's money on the table and you might as well collect that. So this is uh, there's two reads here. One is the service agreement and then the second one is the fees. So, and then this also protects us. Say we have a truck traveling through, we end up having a hazmat scene and we we spend uh extended amount of time on that scene. We can we can build our insurance company for all that equipment use and and time.

And surprisingly enough, that's happened to our department volunteer fire department. Um this is a really good service. I' I've understand what they're doing. Um, the only concern I have is if are we going to set a policy up basically saying if the insurance company doesn't pay that we're not going to go after this the do any hard collections from from anything? No, I I know I know you guys don't. I just want to understand what we're going to do from a city perspective. Yeah. And it says that in the agreement uh that they will not pursue without our permission.

Okay. Um and then uh we can recall any kind of bill I think according to the sub doesn't matter what it is whether it's in collections or not and um and then we don't build individuals at all. So

there there you go. I have a couple questions. Um, good news is the company Fire Recovery, that's what we're talking about, right? Seems to be flexible, although they're in California

and we're in Texas and there are other companies that are closer. So, they did indicate in this document that they would do things that you needed them to do. My question is, because they are in California and there's a two-hour time difference, [music] you kind of cut off an opportunity to talk to them, are they willing to change their hours to Texas hours to respond to whatever you need them to respond to, or do you feel that you're never going to be calling them for any kind of dayto-day emergency? It's going to be maybe monthtomonth. Yeah, in I mean in my in my past job as fire chief in another town. Um I I never contacted the company basically. They were a third party that we're building. So it really becomes after the fact. So we'll have time to deal with them on on any hours.

Okay. And is the need for this company because it's so specialized and it wouldn't work for other employee staff workers comp billing or I it was just surprising that that this this is a very specific vendor for a very specific reason, not a regular. I mean, eventually we can we can shop this out. We're not limited to that. I just wanted to keep the continuity of what we're doing. So, just pieces I'm trying to transfer over. So, we're using them now. Correct. Oh, I didn't know that. Okay. Thank you. Okay. My next question is they're going to um we're going to the city will receive 78% after credit card fees. That's right.

Can you negotiate that to 3%? I mean 78% with a 4% credit card fee keep. Can you renegotiate that down to 3% so we get 79%. Yeah. Well, uh [laughter] I'm sure again we probably have to shop it out. Okay. We could put out a bid or something of that nature. Good decide what we're looking for. Whether we get it or not, I don't know. But Okay, that's great. Sure. I'll make a motion to approve a services agreement between Fire Recovery USA LLC and the city of Josephine for billing services related to vehicle accidents and emergency incidents. Second.

Voting signs in favor? All in favor? Okay. 4.13. discuss consider an act to adopt an ordinance establishing and implementing a program to charge mitigation rates for the deployment of emergency and non-emergency services by the fire department. This this is the same this is the partner that goes along explaining all the fees and what we're going to charge for.

And I just have one tiny question with that. Um I'm guessing these mitigation rates will all be recalculated when the ESD comes out down our streets. Um, that's a great question. Uh, we'd have to take a look at that. Yeah, I I don't I guess I don't know. There's a lot of factors to that, but uh, our billing time is our billing time. I don't know if GSD is really going to affect what we want to collect. Okay. All right. Thank you. I'll make a motion to adopt ordinance establishing and implementing a program to charge mitigation rates for the development of emergency and non-emergency services by the fire department.

Second. Voting signs in favor. All in favor.

All right. Next one is 4.14. This is the uh discuss considering act regarding ordinance regulating golf carts and off highway vehicles. Thank you, [clears throat] mayor, council. Uh when this originally started here a while back, it was just the golf carts and uh I would want I wanted to uh just make sure that we included the off-road highway vehicles also because that's getting to be more and more in the neighborhood. Uh me and Rob have worked on several different uh ones. I think that this last one submitted I think is the one that I I think that we should approve it as written. Uh it does address the both vehicles, the golf carts and the off-road offhighway vehicles plus the insurance on both of the vehicles. If anything has changed from that the from that how it's written written it will it will bring some liability to us. So I recommend that we do it as written.

Yeah. I just want to make a quick statement. Um thank you chief. Thank you Rob. Um I actually was helping uh review this. Um I actually submitted a bunch of feedback back to him too. I'm good with the way it's written. I'll [snorts] make a motion to uh regarding the ordinance regulating golf carts and uh off highway vehicles as written. Second. Voting signs in favor. All in favor and thank you.

All right. 4.15 discuss consider an act to approve an ordinance to accept the 2025 tax ro as submitted by Greg by Scott Greg tax assessor collector for Colin County

discussion sorry this is what happens at the um once the tax rules are finalized so this is just kind of routine and ordinary pretty straight Forward. Yep. I'll make a motion to approve an ordinance to accept the 2025 tax role as submitted by Scott Greg, tax assessor collector for Colin County. I'll second. Logan signs in favor. [snorts] All in favor? Yes. Yeah. [laughter]

Okay. 4.16. discuss, consider, and act to approve the proposed municipal development district MDD bylaws.

Um, so we took the feedback that we received last time, which was to incorporate the city attorney's uh comments, and the only thing we had left outstanding were the ones that I put on the little chart here. Um, I've looked it over. The only one I have a big concern about would be that first one where um we limit to two consecutive terms and that's just because sometimes hopefully we'll get plenty of volunteers um since we can use ETJ. Um my only concern would be is you know if for some reason there was lack of interest and we had great volunteers I hate to tell them that they couldn't volunteer. Um that that would that's really my only one. Uh the only other one would be um if you have any concerns about the city administrator then you know you could you could appoint any senior staff member that you would like if you want to use different language there and all the other ones we we don't have any um I I didn't see any other issues with anything else that was suggested

um for your concern that you had on the con two consecutive terms and it's been a couple minutes since I read Was there anything in the ordinance saying that the city council could override that two term limit? Uh, no, there wasn't. I think that'd be a simple fix and that would address the concern, right? Or maybe appoint someone just or just Yeah. If it arises or if it arises. Yeah. Okay. That's only if it arises. I mean, it's I think you're going to get a lot of interest. I hope so. [laughter] You're going to get a lot of I hope so, too. But volunteerism is is sliding. It's not increasing, it seems like. Yeah. But this is economic. Yeah.

And people are hungry for Okay. economic. I I think we will. We did have a um there is a requirement in there to have some kind of experience. You know, um you don't have to be a business owner necessarily, but just a little bit of background. Yeah. I I not that I completely disagree that right now it's really exciting to be here and being in the economic, but 30 years from now when this policyy's looked at and we're we've developed everything out, it might not be so much fun. So that's that's what I'm saying. If you want to leave it in there as as that is um and we can see about amending it if it becomes a problem, do that. Yeah, I I agree. So we good with moving forward? Yep.

All right. All right, I'll make a motion to act to approve the proposed municipal development district bylaws. Second. Voting signs in favor. All in favor? Thank you.

Next item 4.17. This is directing staff regarding the possible purchase of fencing for the Josephine Cemetery. I mean, I will say this real quick, too. Like, after that meeting, the next day, I went through and both of the cemeteries that we looked at that we said that had those fencing with the names on them. Do you do realize that neither one of those cemeteries have it all the way around them

and it's only the front part of the cemetery and so we went through a long ordeal but um I think we should do something. I don't know that we should I know this is delaying again but I think we should do something. I don't know that we should do that kind of cost all the way around the cemetery. Yeah. And I disagree. I even went and looked at Bear Creek, which is another cemetery close by over in uh Josephine or in Nevada. Um that cemetery actually only has the front fence and the uh side fence. It's um field fence in the one side and then the Army Corps owns the other side of it. So even even that one isn't completely fenced all the way around. Isn't H

is not it's not. Well, I have a message from Bobby that she left me on my desk. She asks asks that whoever decides on the fence, make it strong iron because the cows like to bump up against it and make leave room for weed eating. So with that being said, I would tell you two of the the one in Nevada off of six and the one in Cokeville off of 78, both of them have barbwire around them from the cows that far. So like like in that fence is not part of the cemetery. It's just what's there from the farmer. So

um I think if someone else is bumping cows are bumping up against us, I think they should have their own fence to keep their cows off of our cemetery. um on top of our decorative fence if that'll all be developed. There currently is a ballar fence here. So whatever we tear down, we do have to put up along with this. So this is just the initial cost of the rod iron. This is not including putting back what's already existing from the farmers. So we do have an additional cost for bob wire. Yeah. Y two feet space or whatever we need to do for the park. So, we're good then.

I like the idea of just doing the front front line fence that faces the public and leave the rest alone. It's already got the fence. I know we've got some budgetary numbers. Do we want to approve some kind of budget for them tonight so they can get this done and we don't have to keep revisiting it? I mean that current cost is to do around the whole thing, right? What what and that's uh Smith Fencing in Farmersville was 30 34,000. That's what it says on here. Yeah, it says

So, I mean, obviously, it's going to be cheaper than that to just do the front. So, and that's just putting the fence up. That's no names or anything like that. No. Yeah. Is everyone okay with the Smith fencing style? Sure. Okay. There'll be a name of the cemetery on the fence, right? I would hope so. I'm sure we can make that happen. Yeah. I I still like the idea of putting the name plaques into the fencing. Well, then I mean, so the 34,000 is doing the fence all the way around. So the way it is in Kado, you pay for those. I understand that

because we have our name on there, but it was paid for. So, well, I mean, I I agree with that, but there's some people in that cemetery. I don't think they're going to they're not going to pay for it. That's what I'm saying. Like there there's nobody left of the family. So, I would say in my personal opinion, I say that we just do the front of it, leave the $34,000 budget. um let them do the front fence and then whatever's left over then we can talk about or you all can talk about who's next how we want to modify it. Yeah. And how much it's going to cost. I'm I'm good with that.

Let's move forward then. Make a motion to approve it for no more than 30,000 and 30.

Yeah. And then we can either not do nothing with the rest that's left over or come back the next meeting or something and when they're done and add on to the front or maybe Garrett can get us a cost for you know the name or whatever. All right. I'll make a motion to I guess uh accept the bid from Smith Fencing from Farmersville uh with a budget of $30,000 just to do the front and with the remaining budget to put names on the cemetery of existing some of the existing uh family members

family members. I'll second. Have a second. Voting signs in favor. Thank you for that. And you just me. [laughter] She's a hoot. I'm telling you.

Just tell her you'll give her her five gallon bucket of rock to put on her road and she'll be all right. Okay. 4.18. This discussed considering an act to adopt an ordinance approving the budget amendments for fiscal year 930 25 and fiscal year 930 2026.

So no adjustment was needed for the end of the fiscal year we just finished. Um Melissa couldn't be here tonight. She sends her apologies. She just wanted me to express that, you know, kind of that last month. Um, we don't know sometimes what's going to roll over and what's not. So, we have outstanding purchase orders sometimes. Sometimes projects are a little further along or not quite along. So, just a couple of adjustments. The Greenville Avenue project is running behind schedule, so we need to push forward um funds for that. and then as well as three purchase orders that were uh still kind of outstanding for the police fire station next door. So, one was the uh the total amount uh let's see the Greenville project was 1,261

and the purchase order rollovers were 69,69327. [snorts] So, Melissa is just asking for an adjustment for this current year. Um, as far as things like when we talk about cemetery and fencing or some of these um other things, we bring that back with a midyear agreement, you know, adjustment. And I'm sure there'll be a few other minor changes here and there. So, once we have a final number, when everything is all said and done, we'll we'll bring back some of these smaller things as a midyear.

Um, I have a quick question. In yellow highlight, there was a police expense figure of 382,000 and another capital expense for streets for 5 million. Those are carried over as well. They were highlighted in yellow. Let me pull it up. What page are you seeing it on?

Okay. So, when I click on the the packet, um All right. It's supposed to be between pages 489 and 518 and 18. Yeah. Okay. So, the what's highlighted is what's carrying over. Yeah. So, could I um So, for 382,000, do you know what you're needing that for? It says police expense equipment. Congratulations. Probably the majority of it had something to do with public safety building.

Okay. Yeah, it it all is two cars that wasn't delivered. Okay. Yeah. So, right. So, one's to outfit the two vehicles that came in and then another is for uh storm shelter radios over at the public safety building and the last one is their surveillance system. I believe those are for the interview rooms at the public safety building.

Okay, good. Thank you. And for the 5 million, um we had the offset of 1 million for Greenville and so which which capital expense streets is the 5 million? So on the on the larger amount um that's all grant well it's not all grant funded but it's it's not coming from us. So part of it's grant funded from Colin County and the other part is coming from CISD. So

okay. So, see, okay. So, it's going to be around the schools then, but Okay. So, I know we got I know that the agreement with the county and that we got a grant already of a million and they were going to pay for 2/3 I think. Um maybe the it's net zero for us as far as what it's going to impact. We we've already got the expenses covered. It's just in the budget we have to get the numbers right for you. Okay. All right. Just curious on which streets. Thank you. Mhm. [clears throat] Any other questions? Need a motion?

I move that we um approve the budget ordinance amendment for fiscal year 2526 with focus on the rollovers. I have a second. I'll second.

Voting signs in favor. All in favor? All right, [snorts] this time we will recess the regular regular meeting and go into executive session at 9:14 p.m. Pursuant to Texas Government Code section 551.071 071 and 551-072 and 551-074 four.

How are you? I guess I'll let you. I appreciate it. Just let me know when you're ready. Ready. Okay, we will adjourn executive session 10:23 p.m. We will reconvene the regular scheduled meeting. Um, all right. Was the first item we had in there. Was there any action?

No. No action on item 6.1. No action on 6.1. Um yeah, we were just going to appoint the two Sorry, the two board. We're going to um the action was that we're going to form a subcommittee. Yeah, you and uh Alex with Alex and Gary. Do we need to make a motion on that? Where's the attorney on the subcommittee? Yeah. No, we don't. Okay. So, that was just Hey, you're over here. He's He's No, you're good. Don't listen to him. No, he's not anybody. [laughter] And he's nobody.

Lisa Lisa, you're going to reach out to the mudboard to arrange a date and time. Okay. Okay. So, there's uh no action on the next one either. We're going to pursue another land option maybe Kurt. Yes. Yes.

And then the um last one is the city administrator's contract. So we ready for motion? Yep. we discussed in the executive session. Need a motion. I'll make a motion. I want to make sure you're very clear in the motion though. What do Jason? I was going to make a motion to accept the second amendment um as as written. Nobody second. What's the second? What is it? The one she handed out.

She's just trying to change what we were talking about. Just do it. Nobody's going to second her motion. Okay. Okay.

It is the one with the 30 days will kick in the other. We already negotiated this inside there. So why are we trying to change it here? I don't think we are. She was trying to change a motion. Which one? We already made a motion. We already made a discussion in there and we need to make that motion out here. Okay. Then make the motion.

I'll make a motion to extend a city administrator's uh contract for two years at $185,000 a year. And with a 30-day period, we'll call a separation period to where either party can opt out. No, Lisa can opt out uh which will kick in a 180day separation period uh for her to help the transition. And that is the contract amendment number two.

I'll second that. I didn't get a contract number two. I just got a contract number three. Second amendment. Second amendment is what I made a motion for and there was no second. And then okay. All right. So, do we need to vote? I just want to make sure it's clarified that we're on the same as we discussed in the back. We are. I mean, it is pretty specific. Yeah.

Yeah. follow the two-year contract with a 30-day option of going to the 180day contract where she acts as a and we didn't add in the uh what about the uh it says it in the contract the 4 to1 okay it says it in contract I thought that was the other one okay no it's it's in both contracts I think so Brad made a motion and I second it and Doug Seconded. All right. Voting signs in favor. Voting signs opposed. I guess I'm going toain.

Do what? I'm abstaining. No, I was asking Patty what she was. No, I'm I'm just abstaining. Okay. So that is passed. So next we're done with uh that we need um discuss discuss and does discuss consider items be placed on the future agenda. I'll bring it back. Okay. Okay. So don't worry about the

Yeah, don't worry about it. of SUD or whatever. Um, I'd like to see a policy on code of conduct between the city council and the uh employees of the city. I agree. I'll second. Work on putting that on the next agenda. We have to vote on it. Yeah, we have to have four one. Yeah. No, we have to have four people. That's what I was told. Anything else for the future agenda?

Um, just because we've got new council members coming on, I know there's been over the years there's been duties that have been transferred from the city council to the city administrator. Is there a way that we get a summary of that? What do you mean duties? I I know I know that there was there was votes where we we are not Oh, yeah. I know what you're saying. like dollar amounts and this and that where we've actually pushed all that just so that the the new coming members know what what we've done what her authority is. Correct. And her authority is no more authority than my authority. No, I understand that. But I just want

She works under the direction of the council directly under me. So I mean it $50,000 is what her basically is for her signing stuff. So, we'll get a list of it. You don't have any authority. You can't even make I can't even vote. The council I know the council in the past has has voluntarily voted to have Lisa do certain things. No, you're correct. We'll get all that. We'll get all that for you. Yeah, that that's all I ask. Just so everybody's on the same page. I want to get everybody on the same page going forward. We can't we can't be winging it. Anything else? I'll second it. There need to be a second for that. council uh staff getting that tell me you had to have four votes.

That's just going to be information. Tell me have four votes. No, you don't. And and lastly, when do we have to do the mayor prom stuff? Next meeting. We can try to do it. Okay. When the when the election is canvas. Yeah, I mean next next meeting. Is there a scheduled time for the installation before Thanksgiving? Is there any plan for that? They have to. I would assume by sometime this week. I think byp.

Yeah. I think county hunt county said they said Yeah. Hunt County said theirs will be this week. But then like the swear in and all that stuff will be the December election. I mean December meeting. Yeah. Anybody else? Make a motion to adjurnn. Second. [laughter] Voting signs in favor.