City Council Meeting - Regular Meeting

Monday, March 16, 2026

The Joliet City Council held a meeting to discuss the proposed Joliet Technology Center, a data center project. The meeting included presentations from the developers and city staff, followed by extensive public comment both for and against the project. Due to the late hour and state law, the council recessed the meeting to reconvene on Thursday, March 19, 2026, at 5:30 PM to vote on the project.

About this meeting

Government Body
City Council Meeting
Meeting Type
City Council Meeting
Location
Joliet, IL
Meeting Date
March 16, 2026

Transcript

1271 sections (from 1,556 segments)

0:08 – 1:10Speaker 1

Welcome everyone to the City of Joliet council meeting here on Monday, March 16 at 04:30PM. Because of a number of changes, the invocation will be presented by myself. Myself. The meeting will be presided over by our mayor, Terry Darcy. Heavenly father, as we gather together, we thank you for your endless goodness to us.

1:11 – 1:50Speaker 1

Thank you for all the skills and the talents you have given us and for everyone who is part of this beloved team. We pray that you will provide us with great wisdom and insight as we discuss our work plans and make the decisions about our future today. We open our hearts to you now and invite you, the Holy Spirit, to present us with guidance. Thank you, Lord.

2:20Speaker 2

We'll begin with roll call. Mayor Darcy? Here. Councilman Cardenas? Here. Councilman Clement? Here.

2:25Speaker 3

Councilman Hug? Here. Councilwoman Navarro?

2:28 – 2:48Speaker 2

Councilman Moreno? Here. Councilman Mudrin? Here. Councilman Quoman is absent. She did let me know due to inclement weather that she is unable to attend the meeting. Councilman Reardon? Here. Next is the approval of the agenda. Is there a motion to approve the agenda as written?

2:48Speaker 5

So move. Second.

2:51Speaker 2

It's been motion and seconded to approve. Councilman Cardenas.

2:54Speaker 2

Councilman Clement. Here. Councilman Hogg.

2:56Speaker 6

Aye. Here. Aye.

2:59Speaker 3

Councilwoman Navarro. Aye. Councilman Moreno.

3:03 – 3:28Speaker 2

Councilman Madryn. Aye. Councilman Reardon. Aye. Mayor Darcy. Aye. Motion carried. Next is citizens to be heard on agenda items. If you are here to speak on the proposed data center, the public hearing on this item is at 05:30. So you can speak on that item during that time.

3:28 – 3:58Speaker 2

Is there anyone who would like to speak on an agenda item other than the proposed data center? Okay. Seeing none. Next is mayor pro tem. Is there a motion to appoint councilwoman Quillman to serve as mayor Pro Tem for the term 04/01/2026 through 06/30/2026.

3:59Speaker 2

Second. It's been motioned and seconded to approve.

4:05Speaker 2

Aye. Councilman Hug.

4:07Speaker 3

Councilman Navarro.

4:08Speaker 2

Aye. Councilman Moreno. Aye. Councilman Mugren.

4:11Speaker 6

Aye. Councilman Meriden. Aye. Councilman Carganus.

4:16 – 4:28Speaker 2

Mayor Darcy. Aye. Motion Motion carried. Next, our council committee reports. First, we have communication technology and information systems. Our

4:28 – 4:50Speaker 11

committee met on March 4 in the Executive Conference Room at 08:30. We only had three agenda items to vote on. One of them is a contract to center for Internet security. CrowdStrike, Obviously, it is for our security renewal. It's $65,142.

4:50 – 5:32Speaker 11

The second was a reward to of contract to Oona Solutions for Oona procurement in the amount of, sorry, me see this, 26,500. This is a solution improves efficiency by digitalizing our entire sourcing lifestyle or life cycle and reducing manual tasks. And our last item was award of contract to Cities Digital Inc for the Laserfiche document management system. Annual renewal in the amount of 70,000. We've been using laser fish for quite a while now and we're just doing a renewal for our document management. Anything else?

5:35Speaker 11

Okay. And that's our report.

5:39 – 6:19Speaker 1

Finance. Finance commit committee met here today at 03:30 on the committee is Councilwoman Sherry Reardon, Councilman Larry Hug, and myself. We've had just a few items. The main ordinance amendment to chapter two, article two, the city manager's authority for succession and hiring temporary appointments. This proposed amendment would allow the city manager to hire replacement employees prior to the last day of the departing employee.

6:19 – 6:41Speaker 1

The overlap period may not exceed six months and funding must be available. In addition, the amendment authorizes the city manager to appoint temporary workers for a period not exceeding six months with any twelve month window of a temporary operational

6:42 – 6:56Speaker 1

This amendment allows the outgoing person to help train the new hiree. Monthly financial statements. After two months we

6:57 – 7:33Speaker 1

a small surplus. Sewer and water funds are on budget. Parking fund is almost $12,000 higher than funded for. The public library quarter report this would be December through February. The library had over 57,000 visitors for that quarter, 30,000 in the downtown, 26,000 at Black Road that checked out 81,115 items.

7:33 – 7:44Speaker 1

Additionally, 10,400 people attended four ninety different programs with 91% of the programs being for

7:44Speaker 16

youths. Sherry?

7:47Speaker 17

That's very good.

7:47Speaker 6

That was everything.

7:48Speaker 1

That that'd be my report.

7:52Speaker 18

In public service.

7:52 – 8:29Speaker 6

The public service committee met today at 04:00, just a little over a half hour ago, here in the Executive Session Council Room. To my right, on the committee and in attendance was councilwoman Rairdon, councilman Mudrin, and myself, councilman Hug. We had three items under contract. One was our ongoing '23 2023 to 2027 contract to take care of they have a landscaping company taking care of the landscaping on all of our sewer and water properties. And we looked at that contract and found it to be in order for about 140,000.

8:29 – 8:50Speaker 6

Then there's also the purchase of some, flow meters for sewage, the sewage, system. These are portable flow meters that are used throughout the system to diagnose problems. And, some of them have aged out, not working anymore. If you consider what they're used for, you would understand why they have a certain lifespan. That was for about 50,000.

8:51 – 9:41Speaker 6

Then we looked at a professional services agreement for 104,000 with Thailand engineering to oversee the improvements being made as related to the city square project on the the engineering requirements, I should say, on the building modifications for the parking deck. Under pay estimates, we had one. It was with Austin Tyler. It was a net deduction of the original amount estimated of of 571,600 thousand with the final payment closing out the project, which was the Emerald Lawns water main improvements project for $614,195.92. We looked at a drive through permit for Culbers out on, Shale 1301 Shale Road, Found that to be in order and moved it forward with committee recommendation to approve.

9:41 – 10:14Speaker 6

And under ordinance resolutions, we had two low interest loans that we looked at. These are Illinois state loans and loans for the water main replacement project as well as for the lead water services line replacement. And they are coming in, I believe, was 2.4%. So they're relatively low interest for these projects. As well as a memorandum of understanding between the city of Joliet and deconstruction and the state of Illinois for the Cast Street Bridge product to to use some of our land that's owned right adjacent to it as a staging area for construction.

10:15 – 10:40Speaker 6

That's all I had. All of the items except one were sent forward with unanimous approval. Recommendation for the council approval. The one item, which was the the new. Well, that I take that back. All of the items were set forward within an analyst approval. Did I miss anything? I almost you know what? I almost combined finance with my report. Yes. You guys caught that.

10:40Speaker 1

We were we already made it.

10:41Speaker 6

We're all on the same committee. All three of us are on finance and public service. So I almost twisted them. So did I miss anything, though?

10:47Speaker 19

I just want one question. Sure.

10:49Speaker 11

Wasn't the lead service line a zero interest loan? Yes. So

10:53Speaker 6

Thank you. Yes. You're right. The the other one was 2.4%.

10:59Speaker 6

I wish I can get a mortgage for zero interest. Okay. With that said, mayor, that would be the report. Thank you.

11:07 – 11:23Speaker 2

I show no other reports. Under consent agenda, approval of minutes. It is recommended the minutes of the pre council meeting 03/02/2026 and the council meeting 03/03/2026 stand approved as recorded. Invoices to be paid. It is recommended this report be approved.

11:24 – 12:28Speaker 2

Council memo number 161Dash26, award of contract extension for the twenty twenty three, twenty twenty seven, landscape maintenance services, utilities program to Romero Guzman Landscaping in the amount of $140,366.78. Council memo number 162Dash26, purchase of ISCO flow metering equipment from Gasvoda and Associates Incorporated in the amount of $49,995. Council memo number 163Dash26, award of contract to Center for Internet Security CIS for CrowdStrike Endpoint Security Solution annual renewal in the amount of $65,142. Council memo number 164Dash26, award of contract to Euna Solutions for Euna procurement annual renewal in the amount of $26,500. Council memo number 165Dash26, award of contract to cities digital digital incorporated for laser fish document management system annual renewal in the amount of $75,050.

12:29Speaker 2

It is recommended council memos 161Dash26 through 165Dash26 be approved. Is there a motion to approve all said consent agenda items?

12:38Speaker 21

So moved. Second.

12:40Speaker 2

It's been motioned and seconded to approve. Councilman Hug.

12:44Speaker 2

Councilwoman Navarra. Aye. Councilman Moreno.

12:47Speaker 2

Councilman Mudrin. Aye. Councilman Reardon. Aye. Councilman Cardenas. Aye. Councilman Clement.

12:53Speaker 2

Mayor Darcy.

12:55 – 13:20Speaker 2

Motion carried. Under agenda items. Council memo number one sixty seven dash twenty six, professional services agreement for the phase three engineering services for the Joliet City Square, Ottawa Street parking deck building modifications to TY Lin in an amount not to exceed $104,088. Is recommended council memo number 167Dash26 be approved.

13:23Speaker 13

Any comments or questions? Thank you.

13:29 – 13:44Speaker 2

It's been motioned seconded to approve. Councilwoman Navarro. Aye. Councilman Moreno. Aye. Councilman Mudran. Aye. Councilman Reardon. Aye. Council McCartiness. Aye. Councilman Clement. Aye. Councilman Hug.

13:45 – 14:17Speaker 2

Mayor Darcy. Aye. Motion carried. Council memo number 168Dash26. Approval of change order number one for the Emerald Vaughans water main improvements project to Austin Tyler Construction Incorporated for a deduction in the amount of $571,601.18 and pay estimate number six and final in the amount of $614,195.92. It is recommended council member 168Dash26 be approved.

14:19Speaker 1

Motion approved. Second.

14:22Speaker 13

Any comments or questions? Thank you.

14:26Speaker 2

It's been motion and seconded to approve. Councilman Moreno.

14:31Speaker 2

Councilman Mudrin. Aye. Councilman Meridian. Aye. Council McCartinus. Aye. Council McClement.

14:36Speaker 2

Councilman Hug. Aye.

14:38Speaker 3

Councilman Navarro.

14:39 – 15:00Speaker 2

Aye. Mayor Darcy. Aye. Motion carried. Under licenses and permit applications. Council member number 170Dash26. Application for a drive thru permit for a Culver's restaurant at 1301 Shale Road. Is there a motion to approve the issuance of said drive thru permit?

15:00Speaker 5

So moved. Second.

15:01Speaker 13

Any comments, questions?

15:03Speaker 8

I have a question. Is this Councilman Hug's district? Whose district is this?

15:08Speaker 5

I think is that the Rock Run? Is it yeah.

15:11Speaker 8

It's Rock Run. Okay. Alright. Thank Oh, yeah? There you go.

15:15Speaker 6

And then we took care of you.

15:16Speaker 8

We made sure

15:17Speaker 6

we all the I for dotted

15:18Speaker 28

and the t for crossed.

15:19Speaker 8

Thank you. I appreciate that, councilman Hogg. Okay. That's all.

15:23Speaker 13

Thank you. Thank you.

15:26Speaker 2

It's been motioned seconded to approve. Councilman Mudrin? Aye. Councilman Rairdon? Aye. Councilman Cardenas?

15:32Speaker 3

Councilman Clement? Aye. Councilman Hug? Aye. Councilman Navarro. Aye. Councilman Moreno.

15:38 – 16:02Speaker 2

Mayor Darcy. Aye. Motion carried. Under ordinances, council member 01/2026. Ordinance amending chapter two, article two, city manager, authority for succession hiring, and temporary appointments. It is recommended that ordinance be adopted.

16:02Speaker 13

Second. Any comments or questions?

16:05 – 16:28Speaker 8

I would really, mayor, if I can get a second to speak. I'd really like to I'm unhappy with the fact that we're doing any business tonight beyond the data center, and I have not had a chance to even look at this. All of our time, energy, and attention has been focused on the data center. I would really like to table it until the data center's out of the way, and we

16:28Speaker 29

have We do have a personal

16:30Speaker 8

then my vote will be no. Thank you.

16:32Speaker 3

No. I was just gonna say that Allison could present to you right now if you'd like, or we can take it off the agenda. Whatever.

16:39Speaker 8

I would like it it personally, I would like it taken off the agenda. We can revisit this again in two weeks. It's not a big deal. The data center is a big deal right now.

16:49Speaker 6

Postpone. Are you making a motion to table?

16:51Speaker 8

I am making a motion

16:51Speaker 4

Accept to table. Table

16:57Speaker 3

is not the correct motion, so Tad will advise us what it is.

17:00Speaker 30

Yeah. It it's postponed. It's a debatable motion. Needs a first and second, but the technical motion is to postpone. So are you making a motion to postpone?

17:10 – 17:24Speaker 8

Yeah. I'd like to make a motion to postpone it. There's nothing that's gonna happen over the next two weeks that's gonna be life or death here, and this data center has taken up all of our time and energy. Okay. So let's get this out of the way and give us a chance to really think about what's being proposed here.

17:25Speaker 32

on the second?

17:41Speaker 2

there's a been a motion motion and and second second to to postpone postpone this

17:45Speaker 3

Yes. Who's the motion? So, Susanna made

17:49Speaker 3

Yep. Larry second. So, now vote.

17:51Speaker 2

Right. Councilwoman Rairdon. Aye. Councilman Carganus. Aye. Councilman Clement. Aye. Councilman Hug.

17:58Speaker 3

Aye. Councilman Navarro. Aye. Councilman Moreno.

18:01Speaker 2

Aye. Councilman Madrin.

18:03Speaker 1

This was discussed at finance and I vote no.

18:08Speaker 2

Mayor Darcy.

18:12Speaker 2

Motion carried.

18:13Speaker 6

Mayor. I'm gonna

18:15 – 18:28Speaker 6

Question of council. Yeah. Todd. Not today. We have, you know, obviously a huge agenda item on here. At the next meeting, can you give us a presentation of the exact difference between a motion at table and motion at the pump? I think there's some confusion

18:28Speaker 6

Is that Sure. So Not today. I I wanna move forward,

18:32 – 18:47Speaker 30

It wouldn't take long, but I can say. So laying on the table is a temporary motion. We're postpone as you're moving it off the agenda. Agenda. Laying Laying on on the the table, you can pick it up at any time. So that would include later in this meeting. That's the difference between laid on the table and postpone. Okay. So

18:49Speaker 13

you, ma'am. Thank you.

18:58 – 19:19Speaker 2

Under resolutions, council memo number one seventy four dash twenty six, Resolution authorizing a memorandum of understanding between the city of Joliet and deconstruction incorporated for temporary use of city owned property for iDot's Cass Street Bridge project. It is recommended that resolution be adopted.

19:19Speaker 11

So moved. Second.

19:21Speaker 13

Comments or questions? Thank you.

19:24Speaker 2

It's been motion and seconded to approve. Councilman Cardenas?

19:28Speaker 2

Councilman Clement?

19:30Speaker 2

Councilman Hug?

19:32Speaker 3

Councilman Navarro?

19:33Speaker 2

Aye. Councilman Moreno. Aye. Councilman Mudran.

19:37Speaker 2

Councilman Verdin. Aye. Mayor Darcy. Aye. Motion carried.

19:45 – 20:05Speaker 2

Council memo number 175Dash26. Resolution accepting Illinois Environmental Protection Agency low interest loan L176077 for the 2026 water main replacement program. It is recommended that resolution be adapted. So moved.

20:05Speaker 13

Second. Any comments or questions?

20:07Speaker 6

Yes. Just because and I thank councilman Rairdon for clarifying it. This is the 2.4% interest loan. The next one that will entertain is the 0%. Thank you.

20:16Speaker 13

I think this one says zero on the

20:17Speaker 6

Am I doing this backwards? Yeah.

20:19Speaker 11

The lead fires.

20:24Speaker 6

Right. The the service line replacement used to be forgivable, but it's not anymore. We pay the low interest. Correct?

20:32Speaker 11

Okay. For this first one.

20:34Speaker 6

Which I I took the long way around but

20:36Speaker 6

it. Thank you. Alright.

20:38Speaker 13

Thank you. Any other questions or comments? Thank you.

20:43Speaker 2

It's been motion and seconded to approve. Councilman Clement. Aye. Councilman Hub.

20:48Speaker 3

Aye. Councilman Navarro. Councilman Moreno.

20:53Speaker 2

Councilman Mudran. Aye. Councilman Rairdon. Aye. Councilman Cardenas.

20:58 – 21:21Speaker 2

Mayor Darcy. Aye. Motion carried. Council memo number 176Dash26. Resolution accepting Illinois Environmental Protection Agency low interest loan L176080 for the 2026 lead water service line replacement program. It is recommended said resolution be adopted.

21:22Speaker 21

So moved. Second. Any

21:26Speaker 13

comments or questions? Thank you.

21:31Speaker 2

It's a motion and seconded to approve. Councilman Hug? Aye. Councilwoman Abarro? Aye. Councilman Moreno? Aye. Councilman Mudrin?

21:41Speaker 2

Councilwoman Rudin? Aye. Councilman Cardenas? Aye. Councilman Clement? Aye. Mayor Darcy? Aye. Motion carried.

21:58Speaker 2

The public hearing will start at 05:30. So

22:01Speaker 3

Yeah. We we noticed it for 05:30, so we have to wait until 05:30 to make sure that everybody has an opportunity to sign up to speak and etcetera. So we'll break for a half hour.

22:10Speaker 6

a vote to go to recess or

22:12Speaker 31

no? You do need

22:13Speaker 40

Okay. A motion to recess.

22:14Speaker 6

a motion. There's no discussion. A motion to go to recess until 05:30 when the hearing will start.

22:20Speaker 8

Yes. I second that.

22:26Speaker 13

comments or questions? Is it an honor

22:28Speaker 8

Can we get some seats for these people?

22:30Speaker 2

There are seats downstairs. So there's overflow downstairs. So if you would like to

22:37 – 22:48Speaker 2

Sit, there are extra seats downstairs. If you're fine standing you're welcome to stand but there is overflow. Okay. All in favor?

22:50Speaker 2

We'll we'll be back back at 05:30 to start the public hearing.

24:03Speaker 4

There's still seating downstairs too. Okay.

24:09 – 24:32Speaker 2

Okay. Under public hearings, we have council memo number 178Dash26 public hearing for a resolution to approve an annexation agreement for the annexation of approximately 795 acres surrounding South Rowell Road and Bernhard Road A Dash 4 Dash 25. This is a public hearing, so comments will be in order. Go ahead.

24:32 – 24:57Speaker 30

Thank you. We understand there's a great deal of interest in this project. So I'd like to get just a second to ex briefly explain how the hearing will proceed. After the applicant's presentation, we will open the public comment period. Everyone who has signed in to speak will be called up and given four minutes so that to ensure that everyone has an opportunity to be heard.

24:57 – 25:38Speaker 30

Please direct all comments to the council as a whole and not to staff, the applicant, or other audience members. If you are a property owner within the zoning notice boundary, you may request a reasonable amount of extra time for questions. After public comment, the applicant will have an opportunity to respond to those questions. Throughout the hearing, we ask everyone to maintain decorum. Keep remarks respectful, avoid interrupting others, and please refrain from applause or other reactions so that all participants can be heard in an orderly setting. Thank you.

25:40Speaker 2

Okay. To start, representatives for Hillwood development will provide a brief presentation regarding this item.

26:02Speaker 3

Did we officially reopen the hearing? Because we recess, so we just have to make sure.

26:18Speaker 30

Don't have to be a motion to come back.

26:22Speaker 1

Make a motion. Second.

26:23Speaker 33

Yes, we do need a

26:24Speaker 2

motion to come back into session.

26:26Speaker 2

We have a motion and a second. All in favor?

26:31Speaker 2

We are back in session.

26:35 – 26:59Speaker 31

Good evening, mister mayor, members of the council. My name is David Silverman. I'm an attorney with the Joliet Law Firm of Mahoney, Silverman, and Cross. I'm here tonight before you representing the developer of this project, Hillwood and Powerhouse joint venture. We're here to present to you on the Joliet Technology Center. It kinda has a good ring, doesn't it, to bring some technology to Joliet?

26:59Speaker 20

No. We did this last time. We're

27:05 – 27:31Speaker 31

here tonight to ask for your favorable vote on five issues. First, an annexation agreement between the developers and the city of Joliet, which will set out the terms of how this property gets developed and the incentives that will be paid to Joliet. The next is the annexation of the property. The next rezoning to the I 1 Light Industrial District. A planned unit development, a preliminary planned unit development.

27:31 – 27:57Speaker 31

We'll be back later for final development if this gets approved tonight. And a preliminary subdivision approval. Your plan commission, after many hours of testimony, has recommended to the council that the zoning and the plan unit development and and the annexation be approved. They didn't weigh in on the annexation agreement as that was not before them. This project has been here with the city for many, many months.

27:57 – 28:52Speaker 31

We're originally on the agenda for the September planning and zoning Commission, at which time the city said let's put a pause on this project, let's slow it down a little bit, and let's make sure that all the questions are heard and the answers are provided. So what we've done from the developer side is we've listened to those questions. We've listened to the questions that have been brought in public comment before this body, the questions that were brought in public comment before the Planning Commission, the questions presented at the Planning Commission in the public hearing, and also the rather large open house that we did out at Joliet Junior College. So we hope we can answer all those questions here for you tonight. We have assembled a group of experts and folks from the companies that are involved, Powerhouse and Hillwood, to answer all your questions and all the questions that have been presented to the public or by the public to the Planning Commission and this body.

28:52 – 29:26Speaker 31

At the conclusion, we hope that you will agree with the staff recommendation to approve it, agree with the Planning Commission recommendation, and that a data center is an appropriate use on this property located on the Southeast Side of town. So I'd like to first introduce to you Don Schoenheiter. Don is with the Hillwood Group. Don and Powerhouse, if approved, will Don Don's company, Hillwood and Powerhouse, if approved, will be your partners in this project. And we want you to get to know them and learn learn a little bit about their experience. So, Don, if you could say a few words, please.

29:29Speaker 35

Thanks, David.

29:37 – 30:13Speaker 35

evening, mister mayor, member of the city council, city staff. I'm Don Schoenhider with Hillwood. Hillwood is a private investment development firm. We're based in Dallas. We were started in 1988 by Ross Pro Senior. Ross Senior has passed away a few years ago, but the company is still run by Ross Jr. And the spirit and the cooperativeness that Ross Sr. Would have liked. Our background as a company is really in diverse types of various types of real estate. We've done over 4,000 multi tenant units, multi family units.

30:13 – 30:50Speaker 35

We've developed mixed use and office complexes. We're known around the country and around the world for building industrial buildings. And we've done over a 110 residential communities in The US. The one thing we haven't really done to a great extent is data centers. And so what we've done for Joliet and for this particular project is to call and partner with what we believe to be the top flight, the best data center developer in the country. So, at this point in time, I'd like to introduce Liz Nicholson, who is a partner with Powerhouse Data Centers, and she'll tell you a little bit about our partner, Powerhouse.

30:57 – 31:20Speaker 43

Thank you, Dawn, for the introduction. Good evening, Mayor Darcy and members of City Council. We appreciate the opportunity to be here this evening. Powerhouse is a fully owned and operated platform of American real estate partners, a company with over twenty years history in the development realm. We're an integrated data center developer that has grown to about 180 professionals in recent years.

31:21 – 32:10Speaker 43

And in house we have a deep expertise across the investment entitlement, power procurement, design and construction, leasing and asset management. I realize that's a long list of things to tell you, but I think the key point is we're with the project for its full life cycle, and we believe that that continuity is very important to deliver nice projects. Since launching Powerhouse, initially focused in the Northern Virginia area, we have expanded into about 10 markets in The United States with close to 140 data centers in planning and construction stages. POWERHOUSE is a responsible development partner with a disciplined and transparent development model. We're coordinating each phase of development directly with utilities and when a tenant is in place.

32:11 – 32:44Speaker 43

This slide depicts a few of our projects throughout the country, and I think our history as a Class A office developer sets us apart in that we focus on the campus design holistically, that includes intentional and well designed landscaping that is well maintained at all times, and quality architecture. We desire to build projects that will be a good neighbor in the community. With that, I will transition to Pat on our team who can talk a little bit about our site selection process. Thank you.

32:48 – 33:24Speaker 14

Thanks, ladies. Mayor and council, thank you for this evening and listening to our presentation. What I wanna talk about is why this property. To to have a campus like this that is harmonious with surroundings, you need a fairly large property so you can have very reasonable buffering, screening from public view. We organize all of our campuses into mini campuses to break down the mass of the property, and I think if you've seen the plans, we have four separate six building campuses with very generous setbacks.

33:25 – 34:08Speaker 14

All the buildings are organized in clusters where the generator yards are between the buildings and away from public view. This property also has transmission lines already on the property. We do not need to extend transmission lines off property to get here. This property is flat. There is not much land development work to be done, which will lessen the amount of early activities for construction. And we we will start focusing on the street views for all the buildings once we get into the next phase of this project. We're gonna be proud of this project. We hope that you'll give us a chance to show you what this thing can be. Thank you very much. I'd like to introduce Andrew with Langan Engineering.

34:08Speaker 14

He's our site designer for the property.

34:14 – 34:41Speaker 44

Hi. I'm Andrew Yutan. I work at Langan Engineering. We're downtown. I've been a civil engineer working in the Chicago area for over twenty years now. I've done plumbing projects in Joliet. I've been working on Rock Run Crossings for a little over ten years now, and I also recently was the engineer of record on the Joliet Casino. The Hollywood Casino at Rock Run collections. Sorry. Generally, this site is located on the Southeast side of town.

34:43 – 35:08Speaker 44

We kinda wanted to go through some of the existing and proposed conditions. So the overall site is just under 800 acres, and right now it's completely agricultural based. The pink magenta line is currently the boundaries of the property. And shown here is the full build out of the data center campus. The northwest corner labeled Lot 3 is going to be dedicated to CommEd for their switching station in their Winston Warner management area.

35:08 – 35:46Speaker 44

The rest of the site will be four groupings, a total of 24 data centers consisting of the campus. Each of the groupings is designed to operate independently of each other, so they all have their own six buildings on a on a grouping, their own swimwater management, and their own substation. And then around the outside, the team is proposing to rebuild Rowell Road to the three lane typical section for the city of Joliet. The same for Ridge Road from Schweitzer all the way down to Millsdale Road. We're extending Millsdale Road from our west property line where it currently ends all the way to where Ridge Road currently is.

35:46 – 35:59Speaker 44

So all of that is being paid for by the developer and dedicated to the city of Joliet. Within these right of ways will be berms, and then outside of the right of ways will be or I'm sorry. Outside of

35:59Speaker 37

the right of ways will

36:00 – 36:23Speaker 44

be berms that will be used for screening, typical with the city of Juliet standards. They'll have native plantings of varying heights to help screen the data centers from public roads. And then along the north property line where there are neighboring sites, we're proposing berms there as well. Same idea. Native plantings of Aragon Heights that are green or at least have leaves all year round, so they're screening all year round.

36:25 – 36:56Speaker 44

I'd like to mention that the site was reviewed and cleared by the Illinois State Historic Preservation Office and the IDNR EcoCAT system for compliance with no engineered species found on-site. Additionally, the consulting team did a wetland review. They walked the site. They did a desktop review and found that there are no existing wetlands within the 800 acre site. As mentioned previously, the on-site storm stormwater management system within each grouping operates independently of the other systems.

36:57 – 37:41Speaker 44

The existing site today has essentially no storm water management. It's agricultural land, row crops, where water whenever rains, the water sheet flows off as fast as it can to get off-site, carrying with it fertilizers, sediments, other types of erosion into the roadside ditches of Rowell Road and Ridge Road. What we're proposing to do is contain it on-site, have natural plantings in the ponds, filter through the water, recharge the groundwater on-site. And all these things will comply with the Will County and City Of Joliet ordinances. On-site lighting also will be designed for Starkscott compliance, and the City of Joliet requirements for half a foot candle at the property lines, except where we have driveways for safety concerns.

37:43Speaker 44

All of the lights themselves will have shields to block any outward lighting. It will be pointed straight down and within the campus itself.

37:53Speaker 45

Here is just a zoom

37:54 – 38:41Speaker 44

in version of an individual grouping. The data centers, the top four, kind of located back to back to each other to help protect screening from the outside viewpoints. There's also a secondary access point for all of the all of the data center groupings themselves. So each one has access to a public road for at least one public road, as well as the substation has two access points as well for that operator of the substation. We also noticed that the fence line that goes around the exterior of the 6th Data Center Building Campus, and outside of that will be naturalized plantings, metal mixes that will encourage wildlife to come back, pollinators, kind of put it back to the way it was before the agricultural use was brought onto the site.

38:44Speaker 44

From a utility perspective, we are proposing water main extensions at the developer's cost on Rowell Road, Millsdale Road, and Brick Road, as well

38:51Speaker 46

as sanitary sewer extensions.

38:53 – 39:15Speaker 44

This helps with redundancy in the area. Whenever there's a water main break, there's more backup. Whenever there's a sanitary sewer that gets clogged, there's other options. These are all part of the dedication of the 100 foot right of ways and the three foot or three lane roadway sections that are all being dedicated to the city of Joliet. Thanks for your time. I'd like to introduce John McCann from ComEd to speak next.

39:22 – 39:39Speaker 46

Thank you, Andrew, and good evening, mayor and city council. My name is John McCann. I'm the economic development manager at ComEd. Our job, quite honestly, is to attract new projects in our service territory that create jobs and drive capital investment. But tonight, I'm here to talk to you from a reliability standpoint.

39:40 – 40:23Speaker 46

So ComEd serves more than 4,000,000 customers across Northern Illinois. Since embarking on our grid modernization efforts in 2012, KOMED customers have seen continuous improvement in grid reliable right reliability performance. Today, KOMED customers enjoy best in class reliability with fewer and shorter customer outages at any point in our company's history. Our system reliability has improved by more than 57% and helped customers avoid more than 25,000,000 outages. Our grid performance resulted in ComEd being recognized by PA Consulting in 2023 and 2025 as the number one utility in the nation, and in 2024 as the number one utility in the Midwest.

40:23 – 41:09Speaker 46

We remain committed to delivering reliable electric service, and we're extremely proud of the positive impact and benefits it has for our customers. The Joliet Technology Center will be served from Combat's three forty five k d system. We will not have a direct impact on residential or smaller commercial customers, which are served from Combat's smaller or local distribution systems. The three forty five k v system is a network that allows electricity to flow from multiple generation sources to where the power is needed most, following the route with the least resistance. ComEd's three forty five kV system is designed to incorporate intentional redundancy, meaning there are multiple routes to available to power to allow power to flow into any given area.

41:09 – 42:02Speaker 46

If a particular route is congested, damaged, or down for maintenance, power will flow through the network around the impacted facilities to reach the load. To use the roadway analogy, if there's an accident or too much traffic on one route, other routes are available. The planning process for evaluating large load connections such as this project is a multi step process that includes the electrical design to provide requested service while taking into consideration the customer's location, ultimate load request, and their load ramp schedule. Using this information, our team translates the electrical design into computer models for power flow analysis and develops three forty five kV system upgrades to mitigate any planning criteria violations that may result. This process ensures the continued safe and reliable operation of our three forty five kV network.

42:03 – 42:42Speaker 46

In addition, PJM, which is the thirteenth state regional transmission organization that Combat is a part of, also reviews all new electricity demands through their m three supplemental process to ensure the increased demand will not cause any problems on the broader PJM system. ComEd presented the Joliet Technology Center in the PJM stakeholder process last last month as a supplemental project in the customer service category. PJM and their stakeholders did not express any concerns or have any feedback about the project or its reliability during these meetings. I'd like to now turn it back to the Hilbert team where I believe Mark Prude is gonna speak. Thank you.

42:45Speaker 1

Shakes. Out. Can you

42:48Speaker 13

just let us have the meeting, please? Let us have the meeting, please.

42:56 – 43:33Speaker 17

Good evening, mayor and council. My name is Mark Pruitt. You're I'm the principal of the Power Bureau. I'm an energy markets consultant retained by Hillwood to comment on the project and review its impact on reliability issues as well as consumer costs. As was just addressed directly by ComEd, this project in its design has gone through engineering review to ensure reliability not only to the data center itself but also to ensure continued reliability to all the surrounding areas.

43:34 – 44:10Speaker 17

ComEd and PJM are obligated by law. ComEd are obligated under state statute under regulation under the Illinois Commerce Commission. PJM under the governance of the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission to prioritize system security, safety and reliability. So their system is designed to ensure reliability after necessary upgrades have been accomplished and the data center begins full operation. Question has come up in terms of where does the power come from.

44:10 – 44:42Speaker 17

ComEd does not own power plants. The power plants are owned by independent power producers. There are approximately 1,400 power producers, power plants that are connected to the PJM transmission network. As John mentioned there are many roads where power can travel and it's PJM's opportunity and obligation to ensure that that capacity is delivered to each and every consumer served in the PJM footprint. Next question then comes up is, Okay, well is 1,400 enough power plants?

44:42 – 45:27Speaker 17

Well that's a great question. Over time supply and demand changes. We have new energy users and we have some power plants that retire that are eventually replaced by new power plants. The capacity that's available in the PJM footprint today according to PJM and their studies and their obligations under federal law is that there is more than enough capacity to serve this and all existing customers in Northern Illinois. Additionally we do note that about 342,000 megawatts of maximum facility output are awaiting connection to PJM grid which is about a tripling of the current level of capacity.

45:28 – 46:09Speaker 17

So there's a lot of interest in not only data centers in the PJM footprint but also in building new power plants to serve those data centers. Question came up also about price and you know I used to be a regulator in Illinois and you know prices go up and down and that's unpopular. But the reality is that when we take a look at the power price for residential customers today in March and compare it against the inflation adjusted price in what do we have there? 2012, we're 22% below where we were in 2012. So I understand that people appreciate that prices have gone up recently.

46:09 – 46:38Speaker 17

Absolutely. But those were quite a bit lower than where we have been historically. It's not to say that prices don't matter. That's not the point. The point is that prices have been higher than they are today and that in the market PJM has applied a cost cap that runs through 2030 that will serve to minimize continued increase in capacity cost which has been the source of the recent increase in prices in the ComEd service territory.

46:39 – 47:49Speaker 17

Second, the state of Illinois recently passed the Clean and Reliable Grid Act that will bring 3,000 megawatts of battery storage into Illinois by 2030. And then we have the Illinois Renewable Portfolio Standard which is funded at north of $600,000,000 a year to support the deployment of solar and wind assets in Illinois. Those are all new assets of capacity that are going to be serving not only Illinois but also PJM and it's in that context where even though there is increased demand by this and other projects there's also increased supply to moderate prices. Additionally, over the thirty years of operation of this plant, the operator of the plant will be paying into the state's renewable portfolio standard into the billions of dollars. Dollars 1,800,000,000.0 will be paid into support for all the incentives that go to support rooftop wind, rooftop solar and then utility scale wind and solar in the state.

47:49 – 48:42Speaker 17

That equates to based on the Illinois Power Agency's average cost for incentives, it's going to incentivize over a gigawatt of new generating capacity in Illinois. So this is money that's going to be paid by this data center over time and it will go to supporting new capacity. Secondly, as a separate part of the tariff this data center will also be paying again over a billion dollars in its thirty years towards energy efficiency programs that benefit consumers all throughout the ComEd service territory. This is sufficient to provide the incentives necessary for over 800,000 heat pumps in residential households based on the current level of incentive that's used by Commonwealth Edison. So that will make reduced demand over time within the ComEd service territory.

48:43 – 49:43Speaker 17

And then lastly as required under the Climate and Equitable Jobs Act the data center will also be paying into the Energy Transition Fund about $310,000,000 which will go to supporting pre apprenticeship trainings in the work programs that are administered by the state's Department of Commerce and Economic Opportunity. Substantial amount of training is going to be necessary to bring about the technical experts and assistants to be able to deploy the renewable energy, batteries and other technologies in this state. So in terms of are consumers protected? Well they're protected in a few layers here. The first is the transmission security agreement between the developer and ComEd guarantees that consumers, regular ComEd consumers, will not bear any cost responsibility for the hardware that's necessary to connect that new set of substations to the ComEd transmission lines.

49:43 – 50:16Speaker 17

It's an agreement, it's approved by FERC, it's a federal document. There will be no subsidization of transmission interconnection costs. Secondly there will be no ongoing subsidization of the cost to deliver electricity to this site. Under state law the Utility Act requires the Illinois Commerce Commission to establish rates that are directly related to the cost of service provided to customers. That's why cost for customer service for a residential customer is very different than the cost service for a very large customer.

50:17 – 50:53Speaker 17

They are rates that are based on the cost to serve. Again, state law requires that so that there is not cross subsidization. Electricity supply, going out and securing the supply capacity in transmission that will serve this asset is going to be the responsibility of the operator. There's going to be a contract, possibly multiple contracts, to secure that electricity and capacity for this asset which will have nothing to do with the contracts that secure prices for residential and small commercial customers. Those are handled separately through the Illinois Power Agency.

50:53 – 51:27Speaker 17

That's where I used to work. And then on sustainability we just touched on the sustainability elements where there's substantial investments in sustainability that would result from this project. So we have conclusions regarding reliability, cost and sustainability and then just as an aside the demand for capacity in Northern Illinois is high and you have an opportunity to entertain that opportunity here in Joliet. If it doesn't get built here, it will be built elsewhere. That's just

51:27Speaker 19

we're out there. We're out

51:28Speaker 17

there. Which case

51:31Speaker 30

Please everyone keep their comments down. The person speaking gets to speak.

51:36Speaker 17

If it's built elsewhere in Northern Illinois, you'll have the same cost impacts if it was built right here. So the question is whether or not you take the local development or not. So I'm sorry to be

51:45Speaker 48

They'll find it too. They'll find it too.

51:47Speaker 20

They'll find you too. I'll be out there

51:49Speaker 17

I appreciate your time and your consideration. Thank you.

52:14Speaker 35

Been some question about water usage, and we'll let our water consultant from Cisco make comments.

52:24 – 53:02Speaker 37

Good evening, mayor and council. My name is Todd Sworniak. I'm a mechanical technical manager with Cisco Hennessey Group. We're a consulting engineering firm. My career for the last twenty years is designing data center cooling systems around the country, every client type, every system type. For what it's worth, I'm fairly local, I'm about 15 miles from the project site. I'm going to try to be fairly quick, but also try to be fairly clear. The system we're proposing is a closed loop system. I know there is still some confusion on what that means. Once the water is in the pipe, it stays in the pipe.

53:03 – 53:35Speaker 37

These systems have been around since 1922 when Willis Carrier invented the chiller. They have been used in data centers continuously since data centers were invented. I don't know what time stamp you wanna put on that since the advent of the computer. This is not new technology and there's nothing fundamentally different about it at a data center other than the fact that they're big and there's extra equipment for redundancy's sake, which also improves efficiency. You know, the reason for choosing the system type, frankly, is the need, right?

53:35 – 54:10Speaker 37

We recognize there is not an ability of the site to support an evaporative system. So, the system is filled, it stays full. The water is blood in the system, if it leaks, it is bleeding out, and that is a fundamental problem. This system type allows us to accommodate any current and any foreseeable future server technology, So the air cooled servers of today and let's say yesterday as well as the liquid cooled servers that are fast emerging, not just for AI. That is becoming the norm for your standard cloud storage.

54:11 – 54:32Speaker 37

Basically, every data center application is projected to be at least partially liquid cooled within the next two years. So there's no evaporation. As a result, there's no slowdown. I know that's still a point of confusion. Blowdown by definition, as water evaporates, all the other stuff in the water stays behind, eventually you end up with a too high of a ratio of stuff to water, you have to purge it and bring in new water.

54:32 – 55:12Speaker 37

That does not happen with this system. Additionally, the equipment we're selecting, not just lip service, I mean it saves money in the long run, we will be choosing equipment of high efficiency compressors for the cooling, with high efficiency particularly, the ability to save energy as it gets cooler outside, low noise, variable speed fans for the heat rejection, etcetera. Again, these, you know, there's hundreds of thousands of closed loop chill water systems operating around the world for the last century. One time fill is required per building. The pipe gets rinsed out.

55:12 – 55:36Speaker 37

It gets filled. Chemical gets added to prevent biological growth and corrosion. And there's nothing magic about this building type compared to any other building type. Once filled, you know, that water stays in. Other than maintenance activities, we have lots and lots of valves to minimize the amount of water that would ever have to be drained to remove or service a piece of equipment.

55:38 – 56:05Speaker 37

I know there have also been some questions on discrepancies of timeline. You know, that system, the lease will be fifteen, twenty years. It's not signed yet, but that would be the frequency of any significant drain down would be essentially the end of life of that tenant. So very few and far between. And for context, you know, each six pack of buildings, the systems will contain about as much water as one Olympic swimming pool.

56:06 – 57:01Speaker 37

So, four of those spread out over the course of five years is anticipated construction completion schedule for the 24 buildings. You can see, you know, in 2024, when we were first considering this project, we we were looking at direct evaporative cooling systems, those are have been and are still somewhat popular with, like, the hyper scale companies, they're very efficient, but they do use an awful lot of water. We have rethought that, we have looked at the site and the site constraints and what it means to be a good neighbor or a good steward, and we have decided to rethink that and go with the closed loop system. Our daily water use on average over the course of the year, we're now projecting for all 24 buildings not to exceed a 150,000 gallons. We put some other context up there just for comparison sake, I know may or may not be relevant.

57:02 – 57:55Speaker 37

But by way of comparison, if this was single family homes, the water usage would be substantially more, nearly an order of magnitude greater. We're also a little over half of what the assumed water consumption for this site was under the light industrial zoning, and our understanding is that is the water capacity that was considered in the water study for the existing water supply in the aquifer, so we are reducing from what the planned demand for this site would have been. Filling of these systems, again, will be spread out over roughly five years. That activity will be coordinated with the Department of Public Utilities to ensure the rate at which that fill is taking place and the timing of that is not disruptive to the city's water utility capacity. This has been reviewed with the city and the current infrastructure, and again, we are below the planned the anticipated water usage rate of this site.

57:58Speaker 37

Hopefully, answers some questions and provides some clarity. From there, I believe we're gonna wanna discuss noise next.

58:06Speaker 6

Mayor, can we ask questions before? Is that okay?

58:08Speaker 36

We can. Okay. We'll wait

58:11Speaker 6

till So, wanna get my head around this cooling system. Yes. It's basically a mixture of water and chemicals. Yes. Not unlike my car.

58:19Speaker 37

Way less chemical than your car.

58:21Speaker 6

Right. But same concept.

58:24 – 58:36Speaker 37

Yeah. So car is fifty fifty antifreeze water. This is 99 water and 1%, again, biocides corrosion inhibitors, just stuff to keep the inside of the system clean.

58:36Speaker 6

And that stays in that cooling system just like my car's cooling system. It stays there until we drain it out. Correct. And replace it. And you said that drain down you referred to it as? Drain down would happen at the end of a lease,

58:46Speaker 10

for instance.

58:47Speaker 14

That that would be

58:48Speaker 37

the soonest somebody would typically entertain taking any sick because that that's a total facility shutdown if if that is done. So that's typically when somebody would vacate. Yeah.

58:57Speaker 6

And what happens when you do remove it from the system? Where does it go? Where do you take it?

59:02 – 59:30Speaker 37

Building by building, again, this is no different from any other chilled water system anywhere. I've never encountered instance where anything in that water was objectionable to the sanitary utility. That water data can be provided for analysis prior to discharge. I assume that would be something the city is within their rights to review. And if there's an objection, it can be disposed of. It can be trucked off if needed. But it's it's essentially water. So and I

59:30 – 59:43Speaker 6

do believe, you know, in talking in doing my research, talking to staff, that is exactly what the city is gonna do when it comes to disposing of this. They're gonna have it tested before it's allowed to be put into the system. And if it if it can't be put in the system, it gets trucked off.

59:43 – 1:00:14Speaker 37

Yes. And that there's when the initial fill takes place, it's a little bit of a chemistry set. So you put in the amount of chemical you think it needs. It's tested. Initially it's tested more frequently and after about six months that typically gets pulled back to quarterly. There's a chemical treatment vendor assigned to the site, they take samples back, check the chemistry if they need to tweak, add a couple gallons, you know, here and there of chemical, they do that. But there's regular testing reports that would be available throughout the life of the building that could be provided easily.

1:00:14 – 1:00:34Speaker 6

And on a project this size, I'm just trying to get my head around this, if this was a traditional or, you know, in my research, I'm seeing referred to as legacy data centers, when most of them early on were using evaporative, if you use water, it could be that would be like five for a project this size would be up 5,000,000 gallons of water a day or or more. Right?

1:00:35 – 1:01:18Speaker 37

Yes. Lots of different ways to cool these buildings. As they've grown to scale, your traditional open cooling tower systems that evaporate water all year, those have really fallen out of favor. The direct evaporative cooling that's been very popular, you literally just bring outside air in and when it's too hot outside you bring it through a sponge to cool it off and the air evaporates into the air stream. Those systems only use water when it hits about 80 degrees outside but the rate at which they use water when they're on is significant. So, again, you know, this 5,000,000 gallons a day peak, something like 8,000,000,000 gallons a year would be the consumption for that system type for a project this size, which is why we looked at that number and said there's no way.

1:01:19Speaker 13

Thank you, Mayor.

1:01:20Speaker 9

Mayor, may may

1:01:22Speaker 11

So, you mentioned our city staff, and I have had conversations with Allison, who is our director of public utilities. And is she over

1:01:31Speaker 2

there? Yeah. Yeah.

1:01:32 – 1:01:45Speaker 11

Oh, there she is. You please explain one more time? I I know I read it in our proposal, but about what would happen when this water is taken out if by some chance there was something that needed to be treated or just the permissions to do that?

1:01:46 – 1:02:16Speaker 50

Yes. So per the annexation agreement, the only wastewater that's allowed to be discharged is domestic waste. And domestic waste is what you put down the sink or the toilet at home. And so that's similar to what they will have at the data center with bathrooms and other weight, domestic waste. It does require that anything that is non domestic would have to be permitted by the city and we do this through our pretreatment process which is governed by our pretreatment ordinance.

1:02:16 – 1:02:48Speaker 50

We industrial wastewater from many different industries and each one has a different wastewater characteristic that we request samples of and with that information we assess what the right course of action is whether that wastewater would need to be pretreated at the facility before it enters the sanitary sewer system whether there would be a surcharge charge and then we would do that treatment at the city's wastewater treatment plant or if we just wouldn't be able to accept it at all, which case then it would be trucked off-site. At their expense. At their expense.

1:02:49 – 1:03:19Speaker 37

Yeah. I I should have touched, know, we we believe we've overestimated. Again, there's no regular water consumption for cooling other than the initial fills. So it's it's toilets and sinks. It's an over assumption of an acre of building for sprinkler coverage. It's normal maintenance activities, and it's a little bit of humidification in the winter just to mitigate static electricity. All, again, fairly common, benign stuff for most building types.

1:03:22Speaker 13

Any other questions?

1:03:24 – 1:04:02Speaker 5

Yeah. I have a question. We don't so I'm a truck driver. Right? So for example, in diesel. Right? Let's say if you're driving a truck, sometimes you have a diesel spill. I know water is nothing compared to diesel, completely different, but I'm a use the analogy. If there's a I know you said it could be a the only way you can lose the water from the closed loop system is if there's a spill or something happens, you know, god forbid. Right? You never know what could happen. It's just I'm hoping neither you or someone from the team can answer the question of if there is a spill, is there something in place where it can contain the water? I know construction, they use even for dirt. Can't think of the name. They just put something around the

1:04:03Speaker 37

Like the swales or Yeah.

1:04:04Speaker 5

They, yeah, they put it around it just to contain the the issue so it doesn't go into our drain system or the sewer system, I should say, or a storm.

1:04:14Speaker 44

if you if you take

1:04:14 – 1:04:29Speaker 37

a 100,000 gallons and spread it out over the building footprint, it's like that deep. Right? Okay. There are equipment curves around mechanical rooms, things like that. There are also floor drains, it depends on where the leak happens.

1:04:29 – 1:05:04Speaker 37

There's instrumentation. Again, these great care is taken to detect that and prevent that. So there's instrumentation should the pressure in the system start to decrease decrease, which would be indicative of a leak. There's an alarm generated essentially immediately that will give you a pretty good indication of where to start looking for that leak. And again, there's there's valves provided out the wazoo to be able to isolate very small parts of the system and service them, repair them as needed so that you don't need to extend the impact of the outage and therefore the the amount of water that's that's drained.

1:05:04 – 1:05:18Speaker 37

So fully welded piping systems with flanges, they're pressure tested before they go into service. At that point, the only way anything is going wrong is if I I don't even know. Somebody drives a forklift through them and we don't have forklifts in these buildings.

1:05:18Speaker 5

So Thank you. Yeah. I

1:05:22Speaker 52

have a question.

1:05:22 – 1:06:05Speaker 8

Since we're on water, I I might as well get my questions out of the way about water. So the agreement references a cap of a 150,000 gallons of water per day for the data center campus. Is that an initial estimate, and does that cap account for all 24 potential data center agreements with the development? Then I have another part to that. Additionally, the agreement appears to allow Hood to return to the city, not this council, to request additional water allocation. Given the scale of this project and the public concern around the off of aquifer, why would any increase in water allocation not be required to come back to this council for approval in a public meeting? Whoever wants to answer that.

1:06:07Speaker 5

Yeah. Not me.

1:06:11 – 1:06:40Speaker 50

So the agreement that can the control to approve that is completely at the city's discretion. It does not read that they can guarantee to to get that. The authority of who has the ability to do that would would lie with the the city manager. So as as I interpret the agreement, but it's more of a legal question as to who would who would approve that based on the statement and the agreement.

1:06:45 – 1:06:59Speaker 37

It is that is all 24 buildings, so that is end of state right starting in 2028 through 2033 as the buildings are coming online. You know, we don't hit those numbers until the the twenty thirty two, twenty thirty three timeline.

1:07:05 – 1:07:44Speaker 8

Well, I'm not happy with that answer. So, I'm now, gonna ask you one more about water. The agreement also allows usage to spike up to 300,000 gallons per day during high use periods, and the stated consequence for exceeding that cap is paying three times the water rate for every gallon over the limit. Considering the concerns about the aquifer depletion and long term water availability for these Joliet residents, does the administration believe that simply charging three times the rate is a sufficient deterrent, or is that effectively just the cost of doing business? Again, whoever wants to answer that. So there is the way this

1:07:44 – 1:08:04Speaker 50

is being designed is there is limitations in the pipe itself that there it cannot exceed, you know, grossly that amount. So they would also, if they exceeded that amount, be in breach of the contract. So if and that being the case, you know, we always have the right to reserve to turn off the water in that case.

1:08:05 – 1:08:37Speaker 8

So how will the city ensure that protecting our long term water supply for residents remains a priority if these caps can be exceeded with only a financial penalty? Another thing I wanna say about that is water is a very precious commodity. We are draining from the aquifer. We're draining the aquifer, and we're not hooked up to Lake Michigan at the earliest convenience, 2030. That's another, I don't know, four years from now.

1:08:37 – 1:08:51Speaker 8

And so I wanna know how this is all gonna happen, and I would really like to know this prior to a vote. The thing is if we had a public dashboard, maybe it would be so much easier for the public to have some trust in what's going on there.

1:09:02Speaker 5

Yeah. I mean,

1:09:02 – 1:09:31Speaker 37

the only other comparison for context, know, your typical firefighting event is a quarter million gallons of water that the city has to be able to accommodate anywhere at any time. Right? So there's understood. There's there's there's capacity on a rate basis, on an instantaneous flow rate basis, well beyond what we're asking for in the aggregate averaged over the year, which is sort of what matters to aquifers, right? Again, we're we're significantly lower than what was assumed for the site when that water study was completed. So

1:09:32Speaker 3

I can just say from the administration's Allison

1:09:37 – 1:09:49Speaker 3

team have done extensive review of all this and have signed off. So I don't know what else you wanna hear from her on that.

1:09:51 – 1:10:09Speaker 8

I would actually rather not hear anything more from her. You're the city manager. You're running the city. So I'd like you to answer some of the questions. We all hired you. I would like to see you answer some of these questions and show that have proficiency in what we hired you to do. Thank you.

1:10:10 – 1:10:53Speaker 13

I'm gonna take a I'm gonna take a stab at that. We have a very, very qualified team of department heads, and they have given us extremely a lot of work to give us the information that we're sharing, and we have worked hard to get to these specifics for everyone. So I would tell you as the mayor, I'd love to know it all, but I have to rely on our experts to be able to give me the full answer on a lot of this stuff. And I I believe that this project will not be up and running fully till after 2030 in full capacity, if I'm not mistaken. So it's if it goes through. So just like

1:10:53 – 1:11:12Speaker 2

Everyone will have their time to speak. Everyone I believe signed up for public comment. So you will have your time to speak. If we could just get through the presentation and comments that would be wonderful. Everyone will have their time to speak. So if we could just please keep the the comments and to a min to to a minimum, everyone will have their time to speak. Thank you.

1:11:13 – 1:11:46Speaker 6

Ma'am, to follow-up on council woman Aguirre's question. Allison, so if they go above what we have is that they can't have more when when they're audited per annum. They can't have more than a 150,000 gallons average per day, and no day can peak above 300,000. If that happens, the first step, if I understand the the development agreement, would be a fine of three times the the the rate. But the question and I'm not sure if if we got the answer.

1:11:46 – 1:12:08Speaker 6

If they continue to thumb their nose, not that you guys would, but we have to explore every eventuality, eventuality, not just for what's good for for the company, but for the residents. If they just say, we're gonna do it because, as she said, it's the cost of doing business. Ultimately, the worst penalty we can assess on them, if I understand it, you're correct, is shutting them down until they come into compliance, turning their water off. Am I correct?

1:12:08 – 1:12:32Speaker 50

Yes. So our metering technology sends data points to us every six minutes. So every six minutes, we'll be aware of how much water is going into the facility through the meter. And so using that data, we can then make those calculations to determine if they have exceeded the amount that's in the contract and then take action accordingly, which ultimately could lead to termination of water service.

1:12:32 – 1:12:55Speaker 6

Okay. The other question I had for the water engineer. There you are. Does this project have currently any plans in its design or plans in the future to drill into local wells to get more water than what the city is providing? No. Okay. You're on the record. Thank you. Thank you.

1:13:04 – 1:13:41Speaker 40

Good evening, mayor. Good evening, council. My name is Joe Oresco. I'm a principal with Ascendec. We are acoustical consultants. So, hopefully, I can answer a few questions about sound here. To start, the state of Illinois has a pollution control board that sets sound level limits. They are based on use, land use, and they divide them into three classifications. Class a is generally considered for residential, class b would be commercial, and class c would generally industrial or agricultural. This site and most of the surrounding sites are class c.

1:13:42 – 1:14:12Speaker 40

There are some class a's as as this image indicates. So there would be limits for the sound at those class a receivers for both daytime and nighttime hours. This chart here gives a kind of an override overview of what the the actual limits would feel like or sound like. You can see we're in the in this green zone, which is generally considered quiet. During the nighttime, that would be for cooling equipment.

1:14:13 – 1:14:37Speaker 40

And, for the daytime levels, which would really be for generator testing. A little bit louder, but still like a dishwasher or slightly above the dishwasher in the next room, generally speaking. So what we have is cooling equipment that generates sound. The cooling equipment usually is located on a roof. It can be screened.

1:14:37 – 1:15:06Speaker 40

Well, it will be visually screened, but it can be screened for acoustics as well. There's, you know, good good equipment selection starts with getting something that's already acceptable for the site, but if there's other options that need to be done, they can be added. The other type of equipment that generates sound generally out of the data center would be the emergency generators. Those would be tested typically once a month. They'd be exercised and for a short period of time.

1:15:06 – 1:15:33Speaker 40

And then, otherwise, they would only run during a full power outage. So, we generally design those to meet the daytime limits. The other thing to note about sound is that, again, we have to meet at those class a receivers, but, you know, the sound will detainuate the the more distance there is. So further sides will be even quiet than what we would need to meet at the closest location. I think that sums up my parts. I'll hand it over to

1:15:33Speaker 8

a question for him, mayor. I have a question about noise. Sure. Noise pool. This is from our own staff report. We got this today, maybe.

1:15:43Speaker 3

I would like to just defend the staff. We have had all these things

1:15:47Speaker 8

It is my time, not your time.

1:15:50Speaker 3

I understand that. Not gonna let you insult my staff. These people work their tails off.

1:15:57Speaker 8

Bravo. I'm happy for them. I'm asking a question about noise.

1:16:01Speaker 3

Please proceed, but be kind to the people that work so hard for

1:16:05 – 1:16:48Speaker 8

you every day. A question about noise. Go ahead. I'm going to. I'm going to. Our own quality of life study, actually, says that noise pollution is the number one impact on the quality of life For everyone in proximity, it could be audible from 3,000 feet up to two miles from the point of source. So this is actually the biggest complaint with the quality of life. So that means two miles to the East, two miles to the West, two miles to the North, two miles to the South. So I'm wondering how exactly are you gonna mitigate up to two miles of noise. That's what I'm wondering.

1:16:50 – 1:17:13Speaker 40

Sound so again, we're we're we're looking at the closest locations first to make sure that they would meet the limits. Sound beyond those lines would go would be quieter as we go. Audibility, actually, is a lot more tricky than what you've what you've described it as, which is there's ambient sound already, and the further you go, the lower the levels from the facility would be, and then you would

1:17:13Speaker 23

have to compare that

1:17:14 – 1:17:41Speaker 40

to what the ambient sound would be to to say whether it's audible or not. Sound like light is it's a wave. So it attenuates naturally with distance due to friction and air absorption and other things, but is a theoretical point where you, you know, it still goes two miles, but whether you can hear it at two miles is not so simple as to just say that because he traveled two miles that it's audible at two miles.

1:17:44Speaker 13

Any other questions?

1:17:46Speaker 21

Thank you. Thank you.

1:17:53 – 1:18:13Speaker 53

Good evening. My name is Rory Fansler Split with Kimberly Horn. I lead the traffic team, transportation planning, and traffic operations team for our Chicago offices. Kimley Horn prepared a traffic impact study for the subject development pursuant to local standards. It complies with those city requirements as well as Will County and IHOP.

1:18:13 – 1:19:10Speaker 53

The purpose of the traffic impact study is to evaluate existing traffic conditions at key intersections in the vicinity of the site, as well as future traffic conditions, both with and without the proposed development. For purposes of future traffic conditions, we recognize there are changes that happened, the traffic impacts that are projected to happen in the area. The traffic impact study does take that into consideration. It includes both an ambient traffic growth projection based on data from our MPO, Chicago Metropolitan Agency for Planning, as well as site specific traffic estimates for development activity happening to the West. And then for purposes of the site, the proposed development trips are estimated using data provided by the industry standard Institute of Transportation Engineers, trip generation manual, otherwise referred to as ITE trip generation manual.

1:19:10 – 1:19:31Speaker 53

Of note is that was recently updated, new manual issued in the fall, which includes a much more robust data set for this particular land use. So that collects data at existing facilities and provides an average in an eighty fifth percentile, as well as daily traffic volumes that's used to inform our projections for the site.

1:19:33Speaker 41

On the screen before you,

1:19:34 – 1:20:11Speaker 53

the table shows the estimated trip generation. For purposes of a traffic impact study, we evaluate the peak hour conditions. That's the time of day when the highest volume of traffic is on the area roadway network, meaning the highest potential period of impact. For purposes of this conversation, we did compare that to potential land use alternatives, a warehouse use and a single family residential use. The graph also shows how it's evident in the table, but it's also evident in the graph that the proposed data center use is a relatively low trip generator.

1:20:12 – 1:20:49Speaker 53

By comparison, a warehouse or residential development of similar density would generate significantly more traffic, thereby significantly more impacts to the area roadway network. The other unique condition about this type of use from a traffic standpoint is it is not a truck trip generator once it's operational. Yes. There will be trucks during construction, and I'll touch on that in a moment. But under operational conditions, the truck traffic is no different than any office use excepting delivery from UPS, FedEx, that type.

1:20:49 – 1:21:19Speaker 53

But this is not similar to the warehouses that are currently on 53. This is not transporting goods. This is not a high volume truck trip generation. So based on the traffic impact study with the planned improvements, both those proposed by the subject development as well as those planned in the area by others, the area roadway network would provide would support the proposed development. This exhibit just quickly highlights a couple of improvements.

1:21:20 – 1:21:41Speaker 53

The proposed development would extend Millsdale Road east to Ridge Road. It currently terminates just east of 53. Rowell Road would be improved to city standards. It's currently a rural cross section. And then the other thing I'll note is there are two area planned by others at Schweitzer and 53.

1:21:41 – 1:22:15Speaker 53

IDOTs recently completed a corridor study to evaluate improvements at a key intersections along the corridor. Turn lane improvements would be provided at that intersection. And then as a part development activity to the west, there are plans to modify Millsdale Road so that it's a cul de sac and limiting to local traffic only West Of 53. So, again, with those plan improvements, the proposed roadway network would or the roadway network would support the proposed development. Construction traffic, should the development move forward, a construction traffic analysis would be completed.

1:22:15 – 1:22:56Speaker 53

The traffic impact study evaluates operational conditions. Construction traffic analysis, we need to have more information to complete that analysis. It would evaluate construction traffic volumes at different phases of development. It would evaluate site access at different phases of development, truck haul routes, but the premise of a construction traffic analysis is the same. Any impacts that are generated by the proposed development under construction traffic conditions would be mitigated at the cost of the development subject to city review and approval. And with that, I'll turn it over to economic impact.

1:22:57Speaker 13

Anybody have any traffic questions?

1:23:00Speaker 5

Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Real quick. Do you mind going back to the slide where it showed there's, three slides before that where that one. Nope. To the right.

1:23:09 – 1:23:22Speaker 5

That one, please. Thank you. So the developer is gonna do road improvement improvements from Switzer Road no. Where it connects from Ridge Road to Bernard Road?

1:23:23Speaker 53

Millsdale Road would be extended east to Ridge Road. Bernard Road, thank you. That would be vacated public. It's currently public right away. That would be vacated.

1:23:31 – 1:24:03Speaker 5

Okay. Thank you. I will say that that is a huge improvement for that area. I actually drive that quite often during work or and I see a lot of people at number one, they they speed down there. And number two, the you have school buses that stop sometimes. And there's, three houses on Switzer Road. So that being done by the developer, it's something good that will happen to that area. So I I can attest to that.

1:24:04Speaker 13

Thank you. Thank you, boss.

1:24:09 – 1:24:22Speaker 35

Thank you. We will finish this quickly. The staff asked us for I'm right there with you. Staff asked us for a very detailed economic impact study. We did that.

1:24:22 – 1:25:10Speaker 35

I I know the city did the same and we made certain assumptions and I think many of you have seen these numbers where the anticipation is that over the thirty year life of the term, this project will generate over $2,000,000,000 in annual tax revenue. You can see how it's broken out. We looked in our study analysis, looked at various impacts, local expenditures, jobs, other secondary benefits. You can see the jobs during construction for not just Joliet but for Will County in Illinois, jobs during operations. Again, we've talked about the idea of around 8,500 construction jobs, perhaps as many as 10,000, and over 700 full time jobs, almost all those being 6 figure jobs.

1:25:10 – 1:25:22Speaker 35

A little bit about earnings and a little bit about total impact during construction. So again, very meaningful. I know the city ran the same analysis and came up with something very, very similar.

1:25:24Speaker 35

Thank you very much.

1:25:28Speaker 6

I've seen the estimate from 700, now it's 1,700. Now the 1,700 is even peripheral.

1:25:33Speaker 35

Total. Correct.

1:25:34Speaker 6

Right. But 700 would be the site.

1:25:36Speaker 35

In in the in the buildings that you're looking at there.

1:25:39Speaker 6

And are these going to be through temp agencies or temp jobs?

1:25:43Speaker 35

No. They'd be full time jobs employed by the tenant.

1:25:47Speaker 1

Mayor? Yeah. Beth, understand I that we hired an outside attorney as well to review all this. Could they give a summary on where we're at with our study?

1:25:55Speaker 3

Sure. David Reifman, if you could approach the

1:25:58Speaker 4

or you can stay there. That's fine.

1:26:01 – 1:26:37Speaker 47

Thank you. Hi, everybody. My name is David Reifman. I'm an attorney of Croak, Fairchild, Duarte and Barris in Chicago. I've been working in real estate area for about forty years. I have been representing the city on the document on the annexation agreement. I'll give a very brief overview really just from the perspective of the issues that you're talking about, but I've been involved in dozens and dozens of annexations and annexation agreements, and this is very protective of the city's interest. And just a couple quick highlights. Developer is required to provide all private and public infrastructure at its sole cost. So there is no public subsidy.

1:26:37 – 1:27:05Speaker 47

There's no public cost to that. That includes all the sanitary sewer improvements, all the storm water improvements, roadway improvements that we just described. There will be many of these improvements are maintained privately. So therefore, the developer will be be required to establish a property owners association that will take care of the private improvements. And if they fail to do so, the city can step in and impose a special service area to make sure that, again, there is no cost to the city or the taxpayers.

1:27:06 – 1:27:44Speaker 47

The the agreement covers design and operational controls such as the noise that was just discussed, generators, screening, photometric plans, lighting, so forth. The developer, everything being submitted now is preliminary. So it's preliminary engineering, preliminary PUD. The developer will have to submit final engineering plans, which meet all requirements of the city, and they must prepare and submit an emergency services plan regarding power supply, fire suppression, hazardous materials, and so forth. They are required to indemnify the city for any breach or for provisions for the breach in the agreement.

1:27:45 – 1:28:21Speaker 47

There are other key obligations such as entering into a project labor agreement, which I believe is done, acknowledging the applicability of the city's electric utility tax. There's a covenant by the developer not to challenge this agreement later. In other words, if they agree to all this, they can't then sue the city to say we don't agree with it. And it covers various issues regarding the dedication of public improvements. As importantly, memorializes the developers obligation to contribute $100,000,000 to the city throughout the course of the development including $20,000,000 upon the closing of the property which the developers obligated to do within a year.

1:28:22 – 1:29:00Speaker 47

And if they want extensions, they have to make payments on that initial 20,000,000 to create that extension. They can extend once for 10,000,000 and again, six months for 10,000,000 and then an additional 6 months for a maximum of two years. Those are the highlights of the agreement. I'm happy to answer any questions about it. But in my view, the city is really protected, has rights to enforce the agreement, has rights to go to court on the agreement if the developer breaches and all of the obligations that you've heard here and the requirements of the developer are memorialized both in this and in the plan unit development ordinance.

1:29:01Speaker 6

Mayor? Yeah. If I I'm sorry. I didn't catch his

1:29:07 – 1:29:32Speaker 6

David. So the 20 you know, they have a year up two year under the agreement to close on purchasing and starting the project. And at that point, when they close, they have to give us 20,000,000. They can extend it another year by by paying the full 20,000,000, 10,000,000 every six months. So they have to, you know, purchase and start to print their their their development within two years in that case scenario?

1:29:32Speaker 47

They have to close on the land within two years at the outside date, and they have to have paid us, the city, 20,000,000 to get to that full 2 years. Yes.

1:29:40Speaker 6

And what was the legal counsel you referred to that says anything in this agreement they can't challenge late?

1:29:45 – 1:30:07Speaker 47

So we put in a covenant here. So, you know, if you have an agreement and later you could come back and say, well, this part of the agreement was illegal or this part was unenforceable. You went too far. They've waived their right to challenge any term of this agreement. So never have to go to court over this agreement. They've conceded that. I just think it's a prudent provision to add to an agreement like this that they will never sue us under this agreement for the things they agreed to do.

1:30:07Speaker 6

Can they challenge that covenant? The covenant prohibits them from challenging

1:30:12 – 1:30:25Speaker 47

would look don't I mean, I don't think that would go very well. I suppose they could try, but And anything agreed to it. It's like saying I don't I I I'm not gonna pay what I agreed to pay. That doesn't go well for people who challenge that.

1:30:25Speaker 6

Does this also include challenging the assessed value?

1:30:29Speaker 47

No. It does not.

1:30:30Speaker 6

That that that would be a county thing?

1:30:32 – 1:30:58Speaker 47

They're they're they're able to act like normal property owners in the normal course of business and challenge their assessment. Their assessment will be set by the assessor accordance with market values. I think the the market study and the economic impact studies that have been done by the developer and by the city would show that the the property taxes generated from that assessment are considerable, and I think it's assuming a market rate assessment over time based on historical performance.

1:30:58Speaker 6

And we can't legally prohibit them from that right?

1:31:01 – 1:31:12Speaker 47

To challenge taxes, no. But you can probably intervene and say we think it should be higher. You would have the right to do that. There's no provisions about their there's nothing limiting them from going through the normal process of challenging the assessment of their property.

1:31:14Speaker 8

a question for David.

1:31:17 – 1:32:00Speaker 8

In the mutual assistant clause of the annexation agreement, that is page 17 section 18, that is the most recent alliteration of this agreement that came out, there is language indicating that if Hillwood uses reasonable efforts to acquire property or easements and that is unsuccessful, the city may step in and exercise eminent domain to obtain obtain the land. Can you explain why the city would agree to use its governmental power of eminent domain to acquire property on behalf of a private developer and under what circumstances the city would determine doing so serves a public purpose rather than primarily benefiting a private corporation?

1:32:01 – 1:32:29Speaker 47

So this is generally limited to rights of way and easements. So in the event that there's a need to do that and the entire project is going to be jeopardized by the existence of a right that is not accessible, the city may exercise eminent domain at the developer's cost. For a project of this size with 800 acres and the value that's involved, this is a valuable right to the city. It's with the Illinois law for a municipality to exercise that right. And if they do so, it'll be at the developer's 's expense.

1:32:30 – 1:32:57Speaker 47

I the I don't know if the developer has further knowledge as to whether this will ever really be necessary based on-site control. It may not be. But we have rights of way that need to be expanded for roadway improvements and so forth. So eminent domain is a process that compensates property owners for moments when a public body chooses or requires that a piece of private property be taken. This is not an extensive right that would go to massive amounts of private property. Property.

1:32:58Speaker 8

Are we legally obligated according to this agreement to do that without choice?

1:33:04Speaker 47

It says the city will assist the developer by exercising evidence of. So, yes, the city is agreeing that if that happens, it will assist the developer at the developer's cost.

1:33:12 – 1:33:26Speaker 8

I'm not with all due respect, because I know you spent a lot of time working on this, I do not like this agreement, and I do not like that clause. I am not in agreement with the city stepping in and telling residents what they can and cannot do with their own property. I'm sorry.

1:33:31 – 1:33:44Speaker 6

May I clarification, David? So we can't use the eminent domain just to get them more property to build more buildings. This has you're saying to do specifically the rights of way, whether it be sewer and water, streets

1:33:44Speaker 47

Yes. It says necessary off-site easements or rights of way after making all commercially reasonable efforts to do so.

1:33:50Speaker 6

So if they came to us and said, hey. We want another 10 acres for another building. That's their business, not ours.

1:33:54Speaker 47

Correct. Okay. Thank you.

1:34:00Speaker 13

Any other questions? No. Thank you.

1:34:09Speaker 2

Okay. We are going to start with public comments at this time.

1:34:19Speaker 6

Are there any I didn't they were down the toilet.

1:34:22Speaker 47

other I didn't know they wanna make

1:34:23Speaker 2

Questions from council right now?

1:34:25Speaker 13

We're not gonna vote yet. We're gonna

1:34:27Speaker 57

have public comment.

1:34:28Speaker 53

Yeah. We're gonna have

1:34:29Speaker 30

That's what we'll vote. Right?

1:34:35 – 1:35:17Speaker 2

Right now is the right now is the time that we will have public comments. I'm going to call up speakers about seven to ten at a time. So if you can all line up here so we can go ahead and get the so we can go ahead and get the comments started. Okay. We will start with doc Gregory, Tom White, Mike Hansen, Mike Payone, Kip Klein, Andy Rico, Mike Mahoney.

1:35:19Speaker 2

If you could all please come and line up here in the middle, and we'll get started.

1:35:26Speaker 1

You ready? Alright.

1:35:29 – 1:36:00Speaker 24

Good evening. Mayor Darcy, nice to see you. Joliet City Council men and women, nice to see you. It's nice to be back in the Joliet Chambers. I can say that. As you know, my name's Doc Gregory. I'm president of Will Grundy Building Trades, also Pipefitter BA five ninety seven. I was born and raised in this city, Joliet. Went to Holy Family School on Larkin when Saint Francis was there. Graduated Joliet West 1982.

1:36:00 – 1:36:36Speaker 24

So I think he can figure out my age. That being said, I'm here today today tonight to speak on behalf. We have you around 25,000 members, the Will and Grundy building trades, men and women here in Joliet, Will, Grundy County, and a lot of communities directing us. The Joliet Technology Center will provide, as you heard, 8,600, 8,500 union jobs, construction jobs. These jobs mean a a very important aspect to our members, our men and women working.

1:36:36 – 1:37:18Speaker 24

Couple a few weeks ago, we were over at Joliet Junior College listening to questions and answers. I was fortunate enough to be with some of the Hillwood and Powerhouse people. They answered some questions. And I heard a lot, you know, our construction jobs don't matter. Well, I'm here to tell you tonight that our construction jobs do matter. There's probably a 100 construction guys with me that I work with day in and day out that we're our jobs matter. We're not temporary. We're here full time. When we work, we spend money. We go to Rialto. We see the shows. We go out to dinner. We go put our kids in day care. We need jobs. Okay?

1:37:18 – 1:37:49Speaker 24

The next guy you'll hear from, my cohort, we worked on a data center around the area that was lost to Wisconsin. And my local, I I had about 300 people, men and women, go to work in Wisconsin. Now, they got compensated, don't get me wrong, but they had to go live away from their families. So my point being is the Joliet Technology Center is a great project. Our men and women need to work here in Joliet, not in Wisconsin.

1:37:49 – 1:38:23Speaker 24

The only ones who got rich for the ones that worked in Wisconsin were the divorce lawyers in Joliet here. I don't want that to happen. So I don't know if everybody has been out to the lot with the proposed annexation. I've driven it countless times. There's some houses, three houses on Schweitzer. There's the houses that the landowners are selling. You also got the racetracks there. And I hear about the noise. You know, what happens every weekend at Route 66? I mean, that's good noise, so I like that noise.

1:38:24 – 1:38:46Speaker 24

You got the NAS CAR coming back. Thirty years ago, my father, he was an ironworker, called me, and I sat in this chamber when the Stephanus family sold all the land for the drag strip. You didn't have that many people against us. The data center is a great project. We are partnering up with Hillwood and Powerhouse for union jobs.

1:38:46 – 1:39:30Speaker 24

The the 2,100,000,000.0 or whatever you're saying for tax incentive for the city of Joliet, that's huge. That's huge for the city. There hasn't been this kind of project in the city, and I've been around. I was here when they took Louis Joliet Mall from Plainfield. Was here when Will County said no to the gambling boats, and mayor Schultz, god rest his soul, took the gambling boats in. I was here for a lot of this stuff, the racetracks. And I'm here to tell you today, on behalf of the members of men and women for the Will Grundy Village trades 25,000 and that live in Will And Grundy and Joliet here, we need these jobs, and we need you guys and girls to vote yes for Elwood Powerhouse. Thank you.

1:39:37Speaker 2

Tom White. Good

1:39:41 – 1:40:24Speaker 26

evening mayor and city council. My name is Tom White. I work for Three Rivers Construction Alliance, which is a labor management group out of Will And Grundy County. We also cover Kankakee and Iroquois. We represent four different contractor groups in any number of labor unions. A lot of them are here tonight like Doc said. There's well over 100 folks back there. All different walks, all different trades. Some are business agents representing their locals. Some are, you know, just union members here to support their locals. Some are hoping you'll vote yes so they can go to work on that job in the near future. I also want to take a quick minute and thank staff. I know stuff like this is tough. And and I know everybody here is gonna put up I mean, a whole bunch of different people saying different things. And I know you guys did your homework.

1:40:24 – 1:40:38Speaker 26

I've done mine. And there's gonna be people here that say you didn't. And that's fine. That's their right to come up and say that. I just wanna urge you to vote yes on this. A lot of people enjoy it, wanna work on these projects. And we hope we can do it in the near future. Thank you. Have a good night.

1:40:38Speaker 52

Thank you for turning back on my.

1:40:49 – 1:41:09Speaker 16

Good evening, mayor, members of the city council. My name is Michael Hansen. I've been a resident of the city of Joliet for sixty two years. I was a practicing lawyer in Joliet for forty seven years, retiring three years ago. I am here to speak in favor of the approval of the annexation and development agreement for the data center.

1:41:10 – 1:41:42Speaker 16

As a taxpayer of the city Of Joliet and a private citizen, I deeply care about the long term health and future of our city. I have not been formally engaged by Hillwood or by Powerhouse Data Center. When I make remarks such as these, I tell everyone that I'm an old guy, but I do believe that I come here with wisdom, knowledge, and experience. I also say that I don't know computers, which is somewhat strange when talking about this project. Yeah.

1:41:42 – 1:42:12Speaker 16

quick. But there's too much not much about the future here, and I'm and it and it's gonna be further away than I'm gonna be living. I will say, however, that this speech was not prepared or reviewed by AI, and it was written entirely by myself, and it was also written and prepared before the remarks you heard tonight by Hillwood. There are three important matters that I'd like the council mayor and council to consider. Number one, the actual annexation development agreement.

1:42:13 – 1:42:43Speaker 16

I commend city manager Beatty, her staff, and her attorneys for a thorough and comprehensive agreement. There are no financial incentives for the developer. The community benefits package is without precedent, and I believe it is commensurate with the type of project that is before you tonight. This new type of consideration is for development projects in Joliet. I would admonish the council.

1:42:43 – 1:43:18Speaker 16

However, if there were any other proposed city projects to be very careful and examine each project on its merits and the financial impacts on the city. The provisions of the agreement regarding water usage and electricity are fair and reasonable. You should rely on city staff for these matters. I can vouch for the city staff, having worked with and trusted them for their work for over twenty five years. The data center will secure and pay for their own electric costs.

1:43:19 – 1:43:59Speaker 16

Number two, what is most important for this type of project are the people who are behind the project. Hillwood is one of the nation's most trustworthy and recognizable real estate companies led by Ross Perot junior. I have known Don Schoenheidler for many years, and the former mayor of the village of Lake Forest is an individual of integrity and high character. The powerhouse data center is one of the nation's most preeminent data center developers. The staff, the mayor, the council must be and should be comfortable with these companies and their principles.

1:44:00 – 1:44:32Speaker 16

The number three item, location. I believe this location is as good as any location in the city of Joliet would desire for this type of project. So the bottom line, it comes down to the question of what is right for the city of Joliet. I asked the mayor and the council to show leadership. This project will attract favorable businesses and innovative companies who want to invest in the city of Joliet.

1:44:32 – 1:44:48Speaker 16

It will not adversely affect our quality of life in this city. This project is right for the city of Joliet. I recommend a vote in favor of the annexation and development agreement for the data center and the project in general. Thank you.

1:45:00 – 1:45:40Speaker 15

you. Mayor Darcy, city council, a pleasure to come before you. I wanna thank the city manager and your staff for everything you guys have done to review the project, study it, and make sure it is a good project for the city. And I commend you for defending your staff in that. My name is Andy Rico. I'm the business manager of the International Bell Hooker of Electrical Workers, Local one seventy six in Joliet. I serve on a board that reviews and evaluates applicants for our apprenticeship. And just in January and February alone, we had over 300 young men and women that came before us seeking employment opportunities in our apprenticeship program. And it's projects like these that will help create those opportunities. Those people, they were not looking for handouts.

1:45:40 – 1:45:59Speaker 15

You know, they're looking for opportunities. They're looking for a pathway to help them become better individuals and create a pathway where they could help better serve their community. Again, they're not looking for handouts. You know, myself, my partners with the Willingurney County Building Trades, my colleagues, we consider ourselves good community partners. We enjoy helping to invest in community.

1:45:59 – 1:46:39Speaker 15

One of one of the things that we, require our apprentices to do is to, have community service. And, you know, it's opportunities like these that will help us grow our apprenticeship and create job opportunities so we can give back to the community. These projects, they help strengthen the ability of of a strong community and give our members the opportunity to give back. You know, we sit in front of our members and, you know, I I've had members come to me, you know, with tears in their eyes, thanking for the opportunity that that's been given to them to help provide for their family and, you know, and give back to the community. If this project doesn't happen here, it'll go to a neighboring state.

1:46:39 – 1:47:24Speaker 15

Like Tom White said, we lost many projects to neighboring states, and they all sit on the same, you know, energy grid that we sit on. So those concerns, you know, they're they're gonna happen even if it's built in a different in a neighboring state. Good luck with the state's stockpile. So so the question is not whether the the large data center demand exists. It's where the Joliet and the community wants the benefit and have the investment and the opportunity that comes along with with hosting a project. If Joliet holds the project, Joliet gets the jobs, the investment, the economic activity, and local benefit. So respect respectfully ask the council to support the project and help move the the project forward in the city of Joliet. It's about opportunity, responsible growth, whether Joliet wants to be part of the future or watch it happening somewhere else around us. You.

1:47:25Speaker 58

away from the state. I'll

1:47:28 – 1:47:45Speaker 2

say something. I'll say something. I'll I'll reiterate it. Everyone will have their chance to speak. So please, if we can get through these comments, everyone will have their chance to speak. Otherwise, we will have to start asking people to leave the room.

1:47:45 – 1:48:00Speaker 59

Thank you, madam clerk. Mayor Darcy and council members, I am Mike Mahoney. I'm the chief of staff for the Will County Executive. I too graduated from Holy Family on Larkin Avenue, I think a little different year than Doc Gregory. But I come before you today in support of this project.

1:48:00 – 1:48:39Speaker 59

This development is significant not only for the city of Joliet, but also for Will County and all its 710,000 residents. This investment of over $20,000,000,000 creating 24 new buildings covering 800 acres is unprecedented. The scale of this private investment is one of the largest in Illinois history and all without asking for any local incentives. This project brings together all the resources that make Will County and Joliet such a special place to do business. This area has the infrastructure, the transportation, the union workforce, and the strong leadership needed to deliver a project of this magnitude.

1:48:40 – 1:49:18Speaker 59

Residents from across the county, from Beecher to Bolingbrook, will see benefits in a project of this scale. Not only will county residents find work during construction and when the facility is open, they will also see a direct impact on their property taxes. The county estimates that this campus, when fully built out, will add between 5 and $6,000,000,000 in real estate market value to the entire county. To give you an idea of how massive that scale is, last year, the entire county's taxable market value of real estate was around a $100,000,000,000. So this one project alone will add five to 6% to the county's entire real estate valuation.

1:49:19 – 1:49:53Speaker 59

What this will mean for the county is over $5,000,000 in annual revenue that does not have to come from residential taxpayers. This will allow for important government services like the county sheriff, the health department, and our court systems to continue to operate with residents receiving the services they are entitled to with the quality they deserve. When you look at this project and location, it addresses the concerns that many residents have about a development of this scale. It is a location away from residential homes. It will generate revenue that won't come from homeowners, and the data center will also help limit the exponential growth we have seen in truck traffic in the area.

1:49:53 – 1:50:14Speaker 59

The area is already heavily industrialized, and unlike warehousing, warehousing, data centers require little truck traffic. I would like to end by thanking the Joliet City staff. The way you have navigated this project, making sure questions are answered, being exceedingly transparent, and doing community engagement has been excellent. You have set a model for how to handle such large scale projects, and it will be copied across the country, I am sure. Thank you.

1:50:21 – 1:50:38Speaker 60

Good evening. My name is Mike Paion. I'm the executive vice president of the Joliet Region Chamber of Commerce and Industry. And I'm here tonight on behalf of our president, Jen Howard, our government affairs committee, as well as our chamber board of directors. Honorable mayor Darcy and city council members.

1:50:38 – 1:51:25Speaker 60

On behalf of the Joliet Region Chamber Of Commerce And Industry, I'm here to express our support for the proposed data center project currently working its way through the city's planning process. From an economic development standpoint, this project represents a strong opportunity for the community both in the near term and long term. During construction, the development is expected to generate a significant number of skilled construction, excuse me, and trade jobs creating immediate economic activity and supporting local contractors and suppliers. Beyond the construction phase, the data center will create permanent high wage positions across a range of functions. These jobs will offer competitive salaries and benefits and contribute to the growth of a stable modern workforce aligned with a growing technology sector.

1:51:26 – 1:52:14Speaker 60

The project will also provide a meaningful and reliable source of property tax revenue. Data centers typically represent substantial capital investment and long term occupancy, offering predictable revenue that can support essential city services, schools, and infrastructure. Additionally, the proposed data center represents a productive and responsible alternative to other potential uses of the site that may generate fewer jobs, lower wages, or less consistent tax revenue. Questions and concerns were thoughtfully reviewed, and the developer engaged in multiple discussions with us to ensure appropriate mitigation measures and safeguards were incorporated into the project. For these reasons, the chamber believes the proposed data center project aligns well with the city's economic development goals.

1:52:14Speaker 60

We appreciate your consideration, and you should and should you require any further information, you know where to contact us. Thank you.

1:52:27 – 1:53:12Speaker 61

Doctor Kip Klein, vice president at Lewis University, mayor Darcy, members of the council. As someone who has worked in higher education for more than twenty years, much of that time at Lewis University, I've spent my career thinking about how education prepares students for meaningful futures in their communities. The Joliet Technology Center represents more than a single development. It's the type of long term investment that helps position a community as a hub for technology, innovation, and economic growth. For institutions like Lewis University, the Joliet Technology Center will strengthen the connection between education and opportunity, helping ensure students can build meaningful careers right here in the area.

1:53:13 – 1:54:12Speaker 61

Investments of this scale, roughly 20,000,000,000 into local economy, help position Joliet as a place where innovative industries want to grow and invest. The project is expected to generate thousands of union construction jobs during development. That creates opportunities for students pursuing careers in the skilled trades, engineering, and construction management, all of which we offer degrees in at Lewis University. Once operational, the facility will support hundreds of permanent technical and operational jobs, many of which align with programs offered by local colleges and universities such as computer science, information technology, engineering, and other technical training programs connected to technology infrastructure. Developments like this can also create opportunities for partnerships between industry and higher education, including internships, workforce training programs, and pathways that help students move from classroom into the workforce.

1:54:13Speaker 61

The long term tax revenue generated by the project will also support local schools and educational resources strengthening the pipeline of talent across the region. Thank you.

1:54:27 – 1:54:40Speaker 2

Kelly Roeder Tanelli, Frederick Dahlmeier, Tracy Dahlmeier, Abby Valmer, Willie Sellers, Isabel Gloria, Hugh O'Hara. If you could all please line up in the middle, that'd be great.

1:54:50 – 1:55:31Speaker 62

evening. I'm Kelly Roeder Tinelli and I'm here speaking on behalf of Joliet Junior College. Thank you city council and city team for everything that you've done in explaining this this project this evening and and being transparent for the process. And I just want to acknowledge the significant public dialogue surrounding the Joliet Technology Center. And we believe as the nation's first public community college and long standing regional workforce partner that this is a project that would bring both opportunity and engagement for our current residents, future residents, current students, and former students.

1:55:31 – 1:56:18Speaker 62

And we appreciate the thoughtful engagement from all of you that have participated in the review process. From the college's perspective, our primary role in conversations like this is to help ensure that local residents are prepared for emerging workforce opportunities and that new industries connect with strong regional pipeline talent. Rapid growth in digital infrastructure, including cloud computing, artificial intelligence, and data storage, has created increasing demand for skilled technicians and applied technology professionals, not just here but across the country. Should developments in this sector continue to expand within the region? Community colleges play an essential role in play an essential preparing the workforce needed to support them.

1:56:19 – 1:57:25Speaker 62

Potential career pathways that I'm talking about this evening include electrical and power systems technology, industrial maintenance and automation, HVAC, fiber optics and telecommunications, cybersecurity, and facilities management. These technical occupations align closely with JJC's mission and provide pathways to sustaining careers, not to short term, but sustaining careers for local residents. We also recognize that residents have raised important questions relating to infrastructure, including water resources, energy demand, and long term environmental stewardship. For more than a hundred and twenty years, JJC has worked alongside all of you, municipalities, employers, and community partners, to align education with regional workforce needs. As new industries emerge, the college remains committed to working collaboratively with local leaders, labor organizations, and employers to ensure that residents have access to the education and training needed to participate in this evolving economy.

1:57:26 – 1:57:41Speaker 62

We appreciate the thoughtful leadership of the city council and city team during this process and remain ready to support workforce development and educational initiatives that strengthen the long term economic vitality of the Joliet region. Thank you.

1:57:47 – 1:58:11Speaker 32

One point of order before I begin. I solemnly swear that I am telling the truth, the whole truth, and nothing about the truth. I do wanna make it a point that no one else before me has been sworn in to do the same. I also wanna point out before I start my general spiel about oh, by the way, my name is Frederick Dahlmeier. I live at 1, 1703 Heritage Point Court, Plainfield, Illinois.

1:58:14 – 1:58:44Speaker 32

As of early twenty twenty six, our current, utilization of servers, in the data centers throughout The United States hovers between 12 to 18%. That means that most of our servers are sitting idle. They are not being used. Just wanna point that out, the lack of necessity for this for this project. So good evening, ladies and gentlemen, friends beyond the binary and members of the city council.

1:58:44 – 1:59:32Speaker 32

I mean, it looks like we pretty much have a done deal here. Regardless of four hours of overwhelming disapproval from concerned citizens of Joliet and the surrounding area during the planning commission, they chose to move it forward. And I do wanna thank chairman Keller for recognizing the concerns and questions as reason to put that project on hold. Now as someone who uses the Internet, cloud computing, and artificial intelligence every day, I acknowledge and and appreciate the vast computational power that is necessary for the backbone of the information age. Along with a good portion of here people here, we're not merely here to block progress.

1:59:32 – 2:00:19Speaker 32

We understand and appreciate the delicate task the city council has to balance the promises of progress versus the burdens that the city that the people of Joliet and the surrounding area could face. And we can't fault you for having that decision. We understand and appreciate the sweat and toil of our brothers and sisters in labor trying to realize the vision of those at the top of the pyramid, the 1% who are interested in their private concerns. Their efforts will be compensated, as they should. And we cannot fault anyone wanting to support their families or themselves.

2:00:19 – 2:01:08Speaker 32

They should benefit from this at for, you know, from this contract that has yet to be written and should be done in the best interest at hand. And once we get that data center built, there should be a few 100 jobs created that should, in no way, be threatened by the very technology that they serve. I am confident in the financial security of these people just as locomotive engineers, warehouse stockers, and bank tellers were at their time. We believe that the tax revenue should be generated by this data center, should be used for the benefit of the city, city, like schools, infrastructure, etcetera. And we can't fault the city to look for additional revenue centers, revenue streams.

2:01:08 – 2:01:49Speaker 32

Now should, that's a heck of a powerful powerful word. Word. Has Has a a lot lot of promise there, but nothing concrete. And you can't fault us for being a little bit skeptical about that. So rather than shoulds, what will Hillwood and its $891,000,000 of liquid assets and $6,500,000,000 that the CEO currently holds, what can they provide us? I have a proposal. Instead of waiting for a should, have that have them put that tax revenue up front now to serve the people of Joliet.

2:01:59 – 2:02:26Speaker 18

Thank you, mayor and council. I am Tracy Dahlmeier, and I also affirm that I will speak the truth and only the truth today. Again, nobody else was sworn in. Staff was asked clarification. They were not sworn in. A lawyer was asked for clarification, not sworn in. You said, you're on record, but they were not sworn in. This might already be a done deal. I hope that is not the case. Some of the questions I've heard have been encouraging.

2:02:26 – 2:02:51Speaker 18

I was disappointed that the previous meeting on March 5 yielded hours upon hours of public comments overwhelmingly to say no. And with seemingly very little due diligence, it passed quickly. I understand that there were a lot of emails for it. We could have emailed instead of showing up then. We could have emailed today instead of showing up now, but we are here.

2:02:51 – 2:03:30Speaker 18

We're talking to you, asking you to approve or pleading with you to say no, But we are here. Please listen to us. During the presentation, we heard about how high prices were in 2012. Without commenting that there was a great recession in 2012, it seems a little bit disingenuous to compare those prices. Councilman Hug, you asked where things would go. It and all we didn't hear an answer. We heard it'd be carted off. We've also heard the phrase, essentially immediately. Is it immediately? Is it essentially immediately?

2:03:31 – 2:04:14Speaker 18

We heard unable to go grossly over the limit. What is grossly over the limit? And the very scientific unit of measurement out the wazoo. Now I am all for new jobs, especially union jobs. I am not against the progress of technology. There are other avenues for jobs in this area, and there are other avenues for technology to grow. This is not the project we need. We do not need a data center at this time, and we do not need a data center in Joliet. We do need jobs in Joliet, but not this. And it seems like they don't even care about Joliet.

2:04:15 – 2:04:42Speaker 18

They seem disappointed that presentations and this project have been backed up since September. They don't wanna start over with another town and another council, but they will. They said they will. Please let them. I will just say, please do your due diligence on this. Continue to ask the hard questions, and do not be afraid to say no. Thank you for your time.

2:04:49 – 2:05:21Speaker 63

Hello, mayor and council members. My name is Willie Sellers, and I haven't been in front of you guys in a long time. But I hear all the good news about them, all the money coming, the job, and I've heard this before. And every time big job, money opportunities come, our community is left out. So I'm here advocating for economics for our community.

2:05:21 – 2:06:01Speaker 63

And when I was here, the last time we had two black council people that's representing us. Right now, we doesn't have any. And right now, because $2,000,000,000 that's that's being spent, if someone does not speak up, we're gonna get left out again. So I'm here to advocate for opportunities for some of that $100,000,000, some of the job opportunities to come to our community. And I am a union member, and I am for jobs for the union, but I also am for getting opportunities for our community.

2:06:01Speaker 63

So when you guys start doing your negotiation and everything, think about our community also. And I'll leave with that.

2:06:14 – 2:06:37Speaker 41

Hello, everybody. I feel like we all need to, like, get up and do some jumping jacks. I know it's a long night, I appreciate you all here being here and listening. Two things I would like to mention. There was a news article recently published about the way that a lot of us who are posed dress. I would like to mention that 90% of us come straight from work. It is not a disrespect thing. It's not anything to do with that. I came from student teaching. I can't really wear nice clothes around preschoolers when we're painting.

2:06:37 – 2:07:04Speaker 41

So and then secondly, a lot of us who are against do not use AI to write any of our speeches, actually, we often are like, hey, Does this sound good? Should we tweak it before our meetings just to be safe that what we're our points are getting across well? But as you guys know by now, I'm Abby. I am from Elwood, another town that will be affected by this data center. Last time there was a meeting, there was almost five hours worth of concerns and they kinda just fell right on deaf ears.

2:07:05 – 2:07:26Speaker 41

It's beyond frustrating and scary to know that the people in power don't necessarily care for the people they represent. You will likely hear ours more tonight and I ask you to do more than just hear but to listen to us. We are really scared. We have facts and fears against the center. Water consumption is a big one, especially the effect on wells that are already depleting aqueduct.

2:07:27 – 2:07:56Speaker 41

That has been mentioned more times than I can count. I have not heard one comment from the pro about what will happen to people's wells. Manhattan and Elwood do still use wells and people will be affected. Are many concerns about health risks from pollution in the air and water and even noise pollution up to two miles as we know, all which can cause cancer and that's terrifying. I come from a family who's lost many people to cancer, I don't want to lose anyone else.

2:07:57 – 2:08:26Speaker 41

The fear that AI is taking jobs and honestly dumbing down humans greatly, I have seen it firsthand. I graduated on the tail end of AI becoming more more prevalent in undergrad and grad school, and I, like I said, work in the schools. Kids will use it to literally summarize a three paragraph paper, so kinda concerning. Reading is in the toilet besides the point. We worry about our homes and affordability to live in homes with the rising electricity price.

2:08:26 – 2:09:10Speaker 41

We worry about our neighbors and for our families and friends, and yet no one is listening. The only pro that I have consistently heard from this argument revolves completely around money. Why is money more important than us? So I would like you to kinda look at all of us as people. I know that what we ask is that you guys think about this or say no because we're people, we're not dollar signs. And if we are just dollar signs to you guys, what is the price of me? I wanna know the price of my family. I wanna know the price of miss Bonhart's family who's gonna be right on this property. She's the nicest lady. Her family deserves And if we have a price range, do your families have price range?

2:09:10 – 2:09:37Speaker 41

If somebody came in and offered to buy up your family, wouldn't you be here fighting? So if you wouldn't live next to this or have your families live next to this, please don't condone condemn another family to the same fate because if whatever does come and happen to us, I hope that whatever happens to us is put tenfold on you and your families. So please vote in favor of people, in favor of us. Thank you.

2:09:44Speaker 2

Go ahead, Isabelle. Go ahead. Okay. Please. Hi.

2:09:47 – 2:10:04Speaker 9

My name is Isabelle Gloria, I'm a lifelong resident of Joliet. I'm a voter, taxpayer, and I hope to continue living here. And as you all know already, I'm not for the data center. I'm asking for you guys to please vote no. But I know that a lot of you guys have already decided to vote yes.

2:10:04 – 2:10:49Speaker 9

So I'm asking for those of you that have decided to vote yes to table this for later, to at least consider tabling it for later. For example, we have we're still waiting as a state for the power act, and that's to to come up with better guardrails for data centers so that they provide green energy, not just saying that they're gonna tap into what already exists, but for them to provide their own energy. Why are we not pushing for that? And not only that, but the money that they're giving us at the end of the day, it's great that they would invest in sidewalks and roads, but one of the things in the Power Act is that it says that they would help invest in LIHEAP, in helping the people that can't afford their utilities. How are we gonna help the people whose utilities are gonna go up?

2:10:49 – 2:11:14Speaker 9

The reality is that even though, like, the gentleman mentioned that the utilities have been higher, if you read the news, the reason why our utilities are where they are right now, which is hurting people, is because of data centers. That's what it is, and it's going to continue being a problem. So we need to think. I think we can ask for a better deal, quite frankly, if we're gonna ask for a deal. Again, I'm I'm against data centers.

2:11:14 – 2:11:58Speaker 9

I morally think that AI is is evil, and I think that at the end of the day, these are business people who have given up their ethics for money. And the way that a lot and a lot of the people that are here pro data center are doing it for the money. So what does that look like to the average resident me? That looks like you guys are choosing to side with people who have money over those of us who don't. It's classism. It's racism. It's sexism. How many people in the unions are diverse? How many are women? I'm not saying they shouldn't have the jobs, but if they're the only ones benefiting it, it should reflect all of Joliet, not just some of Joliet.

2:11:58 – 2:12:36Speaker 9

So that's something else that I think is really important that we really be there. How much and something something I forgot to mention. But okay. You guys consulted your city people, your staff. You guys consulted Powerhouse and Hillwood. Did you guys get any sort of conversations when you guys were doing your research with environmentalists? Did you guys have any conversations with public health officials? Did you guys have any conversations with activists? And I'm just meaning where they reached out to you and had to force their way into the door. Did you go out of your way to have a holistic view of this?

2:12:37 – 2:13:09Speaker 9

Not just the one-sided of economic, economic, economic. We didn't vote for you to just do economic. That's not what I vote for. And I hope you guys recognize that I am the voting generation. I'm a young person. There's a lot of young people here that are more reflective of Joliet, the diversity of Joliet, and what we want for Joliet. And our generation is not just about voting for the economic good, especially not if it's just going to the people that are already rich. How's this gonna help me? So that's all. Thank you.

2:13:19 – 2:13:39Speaker 45

evening, mayor and council. My name is Hugh O'Hara. I'm the executive director of the Will County governmental league and importantly for tonight, a resident Joliet. Our organization has spent a lot of time looking at data centers trying to assist communities and figuring out the right questions to ask. And I have to say your staff has done a great job in asking those questions.

2:13:39 – 2:14:11Speaker 45

When we look at data centers around the country, around Illinois, around our region. Water and energy are obviously the important questions. You have great staff with Alison Swisher in your water department who looks at these things, trust her completely to give us the right answers. John McCann with ComEd, I've known for a long time and worked with him on a number of projects and have never known John to mislead me or to mislead our group when it comes to the power needs of our area. So I think you've listened to the right people on this.

2:14:11 – 2:14:51Speaker 45

When it comes to the financial side, this is a benefit not just for Joliet, it's for all the taxing bodies. Obviously Joliet has the additional bonus of the city city contribution. But, this is going to help communities all over. It's going to help the school districts. I have two kids that have gone through public school, or still in the public high schools here in Joliet. Those schools, they could definitely use the extra dollars, and they can use it from not being put on the property tax owners. It's not being put on residential property tax. It's the number one thing you hear across the Why are my property taxes so high? What can be done about it? What can happen?

2:14:51 – 2:15:25Speaker 45

Bringing in large projects is what can happen. That's what can help diversify that tax base. That's what can help lower or at least maintain your current property tax rates for residents. This is exactly the type of development that's going to be a win for a whole lot of people in this community. Again, the staff's done a great job. This is gonna create a lot of jobs for labor. We work a lot with our friends in labor. The more jobs that we can bring to our community, the better. I'm looking at the city seal. You've got I 80, I 55, Route 6, Route 30, etcetera.

2:15:25 – 2:15:59Speaker 45

This is this really is the crossroads of America, always has been. Data centers are just the new crossroads of America. It's just another thing that's gonna come come into our area. It's gonna provide a lot of jobs and a lot of good financial tax base for our region. So I urge you to vote yes. I urge you to support this project. I urge you to wisely invest those dollars that come into the city. The city has a lot of financial challenges. This can definitely help out with that and not be put on the backs of the homeowners. So I think this is a great project for the city. I think it's a wonderful project for the region. With that, I will give

2:15:59Speaker 16

you back your minute and a half.

2:16:00Speaker 45

Other than to say happy Saint Patrick's Day to everyone tomorrow, please celebrate safely. Thank you.

2:16:09 – 2:16:23Speaker 2

Brandi Galena, Craig Dornord, Rick Norman, Alma Montero, Lily Martinez, Ava Grubb, and Amina Brown. Brandy Galena.

2:16:26 – 2:16:40Speaker 64

Hi. My name is Brandy Galena. I was born in Joliet. Lived here my whole life. I have a lot of skin in the game, a lot of family, a lot of my neighbors that I care about, a lot of people I love in this

2:16:40Speaker 38

community. And

2:16:42Speaker 65

we all have come to the

2:16:43 – 2:17:26Speaker 64

consensus that this is not a good thing. I've watched just kind of watching the facial expressions of everybody on the board. You've got really bad, dirty looks all the time. Keep looking at her. She's told you to stop. I'm glad that you have courage, Susannah. You have courage. Yes. Everything you've asked, you've taken the words out of my mouth. You have stood up. You have not had, anyone back you down, and I am just grateful for that. Thank you. Mister Darcy, I have every time I voted for you, every time, I want you to know that. I believe that you are a good leader. I believe that you do make good choices for us.

2:17:27 – 2:17:46Speaker 64

I do believe that in the end, you will think about this really hard, and you'll think about the people that vote for you. And I do believe that you will really take that into deep consideration when you make your choice at the end of this, and I hope that all of you will too. Miss Beth, I see you spending a lot of time over there at that table chitchatting with all

2:17:46Speaker 19

your cronies over there.

2:17:47Speaker 62

I know where you're

2:17:49Speaker 13

Can you just stay on

2:17:51Speaker 13

We we don't wanna talk personally anyway.

2:17:53 – 2:18:32Speaker 64

Should try to address all comments to the council, doesn't say I have to. So I should, but I'm not going to. I'm gonna address each one of them individually. I think that a couple of you have really kind of shown your face and shown your cards outright, and it's kind of scary to be standing up here and feeling that I am a little David here with these Goliaths over here. And, the only stones I have right now are my words, and I hope that the words that I do have are mighty enough to throw the stone hard enough so that it'll land where it needs to land and take out the Goliath that we have before us.

2:18:32 – 2:19:14Speaker 64

I believe that this is a war for our everything we stand for in all of our, freedoms. These data collection centers, that's what they do. They collect your data. They use it. They store it. They have it forever. And whenever they see fit, they can use it against us, and they will. They've shown us. They've told us. There's a little story in a little movie called Minority Report, if anybody knows what that is. It's kinda what they're heading towards. If you take a look at this, can Google it. That's what they want. They're going to use us up. They're going to take everything they can, and they're going to turn around, and they're going to use it against us.

2:19:14 – 2:19:53Speaker 64

And that is going to be something that's going to happen because they already told us that's what's gonna happen. Hillwood, I guess they're out of Texas. If you take a look and see what's going on there, they're about to take out the biggest cotton field that there is in America right now with what they wanna do. I hope you guys like wearing cotton clothing because that's about to end. Mister Mark, I sat next to you for quite a while. I guess Mark is an ammunition specialist, but he said he's not into war. I'm not sure what he meant by that, but I'm eavesdropping a lot of conversations. John from ComEd, everything you said was a lie. Mister Andrew, also bullshit. Liz, over here, you were so boring.

2:19:53 – 2:20:10Speaker 64

You just spoke in monotone so that we maybe wouldn't catch anything you had to say, so we wouldn't hear anything. We wouldn't learn anything from you. Mission accomplished. Pat, don't really have to say much about you, but you were pretty boring too, and I think you're full of shit too. And Don, you were the first one

2:20:10Speaker 33

to come up here and talk

2:20:11 – 2:20:30Speaker 64

to us, and I think you were just kinda the patsy. You're just kinda the one that was put up here like the puppet. Well, they told you what to say, and, you know, hopefully, you get your point across. But I'm kind of over it, and I hope you guys vote no. Please, for the love of God and the love of our town and the love of everybody in it, vote no.

2:20:37 – 2:21:21Speaker 66

Hi. I'm Rick Norman, a lifelong resident of Joliet. I'm gonna start with presenting a petition, collecting more than four thousand six hundred eight eight hundred 4,688 signatures against this proposed data center. Do the right thing. Do what's best for the future of Joliet.

2:21:22Speaker 66

Voting on this proposed data center. Do not let these fuck win.

2:21:28Speaker 32

Sir. Hey, sir.

2:21:34Speaker 66

Are center pimps,

2:21:35Speaker 13

just before please? My

2:21:42 – 2:21:59Speaker 49

name is Craig Jordan Ward. I'm one of mayor and the council people. Just listen. Where Millsdale and Ridge Road are, that's where my house is. It's less than 600 feet from where this data center's going.

2:22:00 – 2:22:30Speaker 49

In my right mind, if I go to sell my house, ain't nobody gonna want it because the data center's gonna be there. Why can't you, instead of a data center, build houses, roads, make construction over there? You'll get more tax money in the mill millennium than you will from these people. You'll get over $10,000,000 a year just in tax money from that from new properties. That's all I gotta say.

2:22:38 – 2:23:20Speaker 67

Hi, mister mayor and councilmen and councilwomen. My name is Alma Montero, and I live in Joliet and have lived Joliet for over forty years so I'm a lifelong Joliet resident. Before I start with my spiel that I had already written up, I just want to say that it was very nice to see that all the reps that did the presentation here acknowledged the residents. I heard, you know, acknowledge you guys, but they never acknowledge any of the residents here. That's to me, that's disrespectful because they're the ones trying to come into our city, and not once did they say and acknowledge the residents so I just want to kind of throw that out there the second thing I want to say is mr.

2:23:20 – 2:23:51Speaker 67

Mayor you asked about or you mentioned something about the facility not being fully functional 12/2030 per the last meeting that was here for the Planning Commission, one of the reps here said it would be fully functional, up and running by 2028. That means it'll be fully functional up and running two years prior to when the water from Lake Michigan will be here. So what what are the residents supposed to do for those two years? It's gonna be gone before then. So I just wanted to kinda throw that out.

2:23:52 – 2:24:24Speaker 67

Alright. And so what I wanna focus on tonight for my message is three things. I wanna say accountability, responsibility, and listening to your residents. I only ask all of you that sit up there with the power to cast your vote on many critical issues that affect all of the residents of the city of Joliet and at times such as this time, many others surrounding Joliet to thoroughly think through your vote tonight. Be accountable and be responsible for your actions.

2:24:25 – 2:24:53Speaker 67

Remember, your vote will have impact for years to come and will be remembered for the consequences that your vote has no matter if you are sitting in that seat or no longer are. Think of what the legacy you want people to remember you by. Also, to listen to your constituents. Listen to those that put you in those seats up there, not the businesses that have no clue what Joliet is about. They are only here for the business deal.

2:24:54 – 2:25:19Speaker 67

Once that's done, they leave. They walk away and move on to the next city, state, or town. Just one of the reps here before in the presentations, they admitted that if you guys do not approve this and another northern city will be approved, the cost impact will be the same. So they're admitting openly tonight that there is a cost impact. So remember that.

2:25:20 – 2:25:48Speaker 67

I came here tonight already disappointed because knowing that pretty much only one person up there is going to vote no. Everyone else has already made up their mind to vote yes. So I urge you to please listen to the people that are here that you represent, that you said you were gonna represent. What a shame if you do. Because at least ask act like you're willing to listen.

2:25:48 – 2:26:14Speaker 67

Reach out to us. Instead of of us trying to track you down, track us down. Try to reach out to your community and see what is it that we need, what is it that we want. I can tell you that throughout this topic of the data center and many others as well that I've been involved in, most people are clueless as to what you are all voting on. Not because we're ignorant of what is happening, but because we all have lives.

2:26:15 – 2:27:00Speaker 67

And the expectation is that people that are elected to represent us will have an open channel of communication, but that hasn't happened. My ask tonight is that this item is tabled. Again, remember to be your own person and not just follow suit. You have your own voice. You definitely will be judged by your vote, not by anybody else's. Why rush this? Why not wait? Any business deal needs a lot of negotiating before it is settled. So because the time itself, I just wanna say that please, when you vote, look at each one of us in the face and be proud of your vote. Don't look down. Don't look at the clerk. Look at us and say, I'm proud of what I'm voting for. Thank you. Okay. Can I

2:27:00 – 2:27:16Speaker 2

can I also have Eileen? Eileen with an e, Becky Studer, Craig, Herr, Matt Robbins, and Maribel Jasso. Come to the center, please. My name is Lily,

2:27:16 – 2:28:47Speaker 68

and I'm a lifelong resident of Joliet and a member of Joliet Residence for Responsible Growth, and I want what's best for our city. Earlier during the presentation, we heard about how their claims that for the utility costs that it won't increase for us but did some research and they discussed during the presentation what's called the transmission security agreement between ComEd and data centers known as TSA and that attempts to have data centers pay for eight to ten years but there's a lot of criticism on this about how it does very little to protect the cost protect us from the cost of data centers. The Federal Energy Regulation Commission known as FERC had until May to vote on the TSA and many were against the TSA as it does not truly protect us. The Illinois Attorney General's Office filed objections to the TSA as there were no guarantees this revenue will cover the costs needed to provide the required transmission facilities, meaning that existing customers might end up paying higher electricity bills to financially support infrastructure costs of new large data centers. And if these costs are added to the general formula rates, they are spread across the entire customer base instead of only charging the new large user that caused the need for the expansion.

2:28:48 – 2:29:36Speaker 68

The FERC, the Federal Energy Regulation Commission, stated they have not independently assessed the terms of the agreement to determine if they are just and reasonable. They passed the TSA and stated although the Commission accepts the agreement that acceptance does not protect other customers and this could be found on their federal website. The Commissioner of FERC has stated that they are concerned that this agreement may not be sufficient to ensure that customers are protected against unjust cost shifts of the new large loads. Neither the terms of the agreement nor ComEd demonstrate how these commitments protect other customers from unjustified cost shifts. The agreement does not identify any specific upgrade upgrades needed to interconnect the data center.

2:29:37 – 2:30:24Speaker 68

Instead, if the large data center triggers transmission upgrades on ComEd system, the requirements and thereby rolled into transmission rates that all customers pay. So that's including us, including your businesses. The agreement specifically spells this out that ComEd shall and I quote take positions in favor of recovering costs of transmission facilities used to provide delivery services to the data center through ComEd's formula rates. So this means that all ComEd's transmission customers would share the cost responsibility for those transmission upgrades. The the commissioner from FERC goes on to say that achieving affordability and fairness will require more than passive reaction like this TSA agreement.

2:30:24 – 2:30:53Speaker 68

The so I just want you to remember that this vote will reflect. This is being recorded. It will be remembered from here on out, and this reflects your position on the city council, reflects the businesses you own, the businesses that your family owns. So and all the data shows that this will come out of our pockets. I don't want this data center, but if anything, please table it. Thank you.

2:31:00 – 2:31:19Speaker 69

Go ahead. Go ahead. Good evening, counsel. My name is Ava Grubb, and I serve as an in office staff staffer for state senator Rachel Ventura, and will be reading the following remarks on her office but office's behalf. I am here today asking the Joliet City Council to listen to the will of the people regarding the proposed Joliet Technology Center.

2:31:20 – 2:32:10Speaker 69

At the planning commission meeting, my coworker spoke about how there is a bipartisan group of 72 state legislators from nine states and the District Of Columbia that have submitted a letter to the p p PJM Interconnection Board urging reforms to protect rate payers, maintain grid reliability, and ensure fair competition for renewables and battery storage as data centers accelerate energy demand across the region. We are still actively working on this. My coworker also discussed the stress the data center would have on our failing aquifer ahead of the Joliet joining the Grand Prairie Water Commission in 2030. This alter alternative wall water source will cost $1,446,000,000 and was intended to provide an alternative dependable water source for more than 300,000 people. It was not intended to cool the largest data center in Illinois.

2:32:11 – 2:32:50Speaker 69

Additionally, at the plan commission meeting, the concerns of noise and air pollution, environmental impact, negative economic impact to citizens, and grid reliability were also mentioned repeatedly. The potential financial boom to the city of Joliet seems to way outweigh all other considerations regarding this data center, unfortunately. There is no CPA in place to protect the people of Joliet or Illinois from any potential negative impacts of development. There is no guarantee that tier four admission standards will be met. There have been no agreements to voluntary report noise, water, and energy consumption or vibrations to have non interested third party vendors complete these studies.

2:32:50 – 2:33:11Speaker 69

Most importantly, the people of Joliet stood here and told the plan commission at that meeting repeatedly that they did not want this data center. Of those who signed up to speak at the last meeting, 89% of them stood up and said repeatedly that they didn't want not want the data center in their backyard. It is the job of elected officials to listen to their constituents constituency. Those who fail to listen

2:33:11 – 2:33:40Speaker 69

constituents constituency fail in their primary responsibility as an elected official. So again, we ask that the city council vote no on this development. Although the construction of data centers can create many jobs, those are often very short lived temporary rules. Once the data centers are actually built, they require relatively few few full time employees. There is no data from any existing data centers to support the suggestion that full time employees would reach the number that we are being told that they would reach here.

2:33:40 – 2:34:20Speaker 69

It's just physically impossible. We ask that the city council vote no. And instead of rushing this development, at least wait until the proper safeguards have been put in place by legislators. Waiting will ensure that citizens and our planet are overall better protected. If this is really such a prime spot for the state's largest data center, what would the harm really be in waiting for our regulations by the state to be actually put in place to protect us? Thoughtful planning will now will prevent costly consequences later. I respectfully urge you to vote no or at least wait until statewide statewide framework is established and table this issue. Thank you for your time and consideration.

2:34:24Speaker 19

Mister Moreno, can you do what I previously asked you to do earlier?

2:34:29Speaker 15

Can't. No. Can't.

2:34:30Speaker 19

Alright. So I'm gonna point out three people here for everyone else. This is Liz Nicholson, the vice president of Powerhouse according to

2:34:35Speaker 70

your website, of course.

2:34:37 – 2:35:07Speaker 19

Don Schaunder of Illwood and David Silverman of of the their attorney? Okay. Good. So according to their own website, they have an archipelago of about a 140 data centers, all of which have been peppered across Appalachia and the Southwest, historically places that have bore the brunt of internal colonization and left destitute. People are left with no money, no food, or, you know, very poor because, you know, my family's

2:35:07 – 2:35:46Speaker 19

Virginia, and the the earth is stripped to barren rockets. It's nothing. Okay? So I reached out to these communities because it seems that the council forgot to do their homework. It might shock you that this reminds wildly unpopular. Even in Texas where Hillwood is from, it's a bipartisan issue. Democrats and Republicans unilaterally agreeing that this needs to be solved. So I spoke with public citizens where mister Sheldon Earner's company is from, A local advocacy group. But despite echoing what we've been screaming at, you've lot. I asked if they obeyed any restrictions.

2:35:46Speaker 19

Quote, if there was any, I don't they don't care. Now, because of these people right here, counties

2:35:53 – 2:36:34Speaker 19

now forced to enforce to impose drought restrictions and and reservoirs like Corpus Christi are set to dry by New Year's. So, miss Liz Nicholson, according to your website, again, like I said, you're the vice president of powerhouse In your home state, according to EESI, electricity costs have gone up by 267% in five years. You got an answer for that? Do your PR team not coach you? Anyways or Don Schoender of Hillwood. Your been ilk's cutting deals left and right across the country. How much money did the city promise you in land grants? 50% like Northlake or Texas? Or was it more or were you just too greedy? Yeah. Look at me like that. Keep looking. Look at the people that you are affecting

2:36:34Speaker 6

Ma'am, please

2:36:35Speaker 30

please address the council.

2:36:38 – 2:36:55Speaker 19

David Silverman, powerhouse's attorney, being from the same university who gave Terry Darcy his De La Sal and Signum Fiddai award, did you sweeten the deal with your repute to develop Joliet, or was it mere coincidence that you're bumping shoulders with people that Terry Darcy greets with open arms? Mind you, this is all public information, by the way.

2:36:55Speaker 25

I didn't need to go

2:36:56 – 2:37:40Speaker 19

on a data broker website or something like that. Who is also from you know, data brokers usually use AI, so I'm gonna Alright. Three days ago, I spoke with mister Hug after addressing concerns of PFAS, which is a substitute for cooling, which is highly toxic, mind you. Oh, did I move that? Sorry. I asked, what is the measures that you took? And these were his responses. It's not my business. It's worth the jobs, and every industry has its consequences. 700 jobs, mister Hug. You said, 700 permanent jobs, mister Hug, for the livelihood of 151,000 people and more? Right. No. No. Am I speaking to babies with grayed hair?

2:37:42 – 2:38:19Speaker 19

This is not the work of a businessman. This is a bit this is a criminal enterprise with people in turtlenecks. This is not stripes. This is business suits. This is how they get you. And to the intellectuals brought to flying concerns, your degrees are pain are penned with snake venom. It is not the first time that a company has used intellectuals to stomp out concerns. ExxonMobil, who you're acquainted with because they gave you an award, didn't they, mister Darcy? And also, Marlboro and Nestle have all come to these places saying that they're not gonna hurt people, but guess what? They sure shit did.

2:38:19Speaker 19

And you know what the funny thing is? I'm gonna take a few more seconds. Sorry. OpenAI is not even profitable if they're not spying on you.

2:38:31Speaker 71

Day. 15,000,000 a day.

2:38:32Speaker 64

Thank you. Time is up.

2:38:33Speaker 19

Contracted by the US government. Your time is

2:38:35Speaker 3

We are losing 15,000,000 million a a day. Day. This This guy right here, mister Donch this guy right here, mister Schomatter.

2:38:43Speaker 2

Time is up. Contracted with flock.

2:38:45Speaker 5

Of order. Who's spies

2:38:46Speaker 3

on American citizens.

2:38:48Speaker 5

Your job. Everyone.

2:38:50Speaker 13

Your time is up.

2:38:50Speaker 2

Your time is up.

2:39:00 – 2:39:43Speaker 20

Okay. My name is Becky Studer Studer. I am big union family, Dad, uncles, cousins, six out seven brothers, union, now nephews. So I just wanna say to you guys, I think you're forfeiting a lot for a couple of years of steady work. You don't know how this is gonna affect down the road. And you're gonna say, well, I don't either. Well, I, being a retired ICU nurse, I do know how people's health is affected from, you know, toxic environments. And, well, you know, first, let me say, hey. You two sitting together. Oh.

2:39:43Speaker 20

That's the front page of the first order in the batch today. Anyway,

2:39:50Speaker 25

I had I've been here long enough.

2:39:51 – 2:40:35Speaker 20

I had to use the facilities. I just wanna say kudos to the city for putting out water saving putting in water saving toilets to save clean water for the city. So it's the toilet save up to 20%, and the urinals save up to 50%. Yay. We're saving clean water. For what? To use elsewhere? Okay. So first, not a scientist in the group. You're all sales men. Okay? I just wanna say I am pro union. I I want you guys to work, but there's gotta be something better the city can spend their money on and more permanent jobs than what is gonna be realized for you. So have any of you got a data center in your neighborhood? How close?

2:40:37Speaker 30

Miss miss Studer, please

2:40:38Speaker 13

address council. Can can you address the council, please?

2:40:40 – 2:41:11Speaker 20

Yes. I can. Okay. So the you know, there's a the state like, this is the state, right, that gets a they get a twenty year memorial on tax tax money. That's not the city. Right? That's the state. Am I understanding that correctly? That, you know, we're still the city is still gonna realize money from this, but the state is gonna lose a lot of money with this memoriam. So okay.

2:41:11 – 2:41:39Speaker 20

And I just wanna remind everybody I'm old enough to remember when the lottery was started. The money the way they sold it to us is all this money is going to the schools. We won't have any problem with our schools anymore, and a lot of you remember. And well, that didn't last long. So as far as this all this tax money is supposed to be coming, and it's gonna go to our schools and all this, I'd have to see a little more in writing. Thank you for letting me speak.

2:41:48 – 2:42:18Speaker 22

Mister mayor and city council, my name is Craig Her. I've been in the community for thirty seven years. I'm a senior pastor at First Presbyterian Church for thirty two years, and one of our main priorities was to be a benefit to the community and to serve the community. Over the years, I had the opportunity to be part of a leadership team that helped pass school referendums, First Joliet Township operating their operating budget. Then we went and helped the grade school with their operating budget referendum.

2:42:18 – 2:42:48Speaker 22

And then we did a building referendum, which we passed, and all the buildings were renovated. Two new buildings were built. That was a while ago, but the new referendum that passed last year rested on this fund the foundation of that, and they did the similar thing that we did years ago. And mayor Darcy was a very important part of that that leadership for education. I just say this to say let you know that I care about the community in which I live, care about the quality of life and the city and Will County.

2:42:48 – 2:43:24Speaker 22

And because I care about the quality of life, I urge you to vote no or to table this because worries about the rising price of electricity. No new power generation immediately is being provided to add to the demands of the data center and what it will use. Once our capacity is maxed out, and the recent study in the trib and from the governor's office said that it will be in five years, who will get the power? Will the homeowners, manufacturers, retailers, the data center, who will come first? Who will be favored if there is a brownout?

2:43:25 – 2:43:48Speaker 22

How comfortable are you with rising electricity bills, and our bills are rising very much? Naperville said no at this time to a data center. Yorkville said yes. We don't need a tsunami of data centers throughout our region. We do not know who will be the largest users of the capabilities of this data center that it makes possible.

2:43:48 – 2:44:18Speaker 22

Unethical use of AI is becoming a real problem and an impediment now. Will any of the users use it to do surveillance and to keep files on all of us in the general population? Company says is Palantir and Peter Thiel, who doesn't even like democracy Right. Sucks in all this kind of information and wants to have files on us all. What about the autonomous oversight of equipment and processes in our community and in our region from AI.

2:44:18 – 2:44:53Speaker 22

Now how many jobs will be lost through the exponential increase of AI? Meta Zuckerberg, today, you heard in the news they're reducing their workforce by 20% because of their investment in AI. Block got rid of 4,000 employees because of their investment in AI. Everyday, Oracle, Amazon, Elon Musk, the billionaire technocrats want to have a tsunami of data centers all across our country, and they don't really care about us. I encourage you to think about what the decades say against the day and the moment.

2:44:53 – 2:45:37Speaker 22

It is better to say no to a data center, I believe, at this time. What about all the jobs created during construction? I know you're worried about that if you vote no. I grew up in a blue collar household. My dad was an I b u BEW union electrician. I've been on some jobs. He needed work. I understand that. I support the unions. I understand the importance of creating jobs. I was a member of the Center on Economic Development for thirty years. I encourage you to think about what decades have to say against the day. Think about all the warehouses that have been built in our community and our area. And if you could go back and start fresh again, would you allow so many warehouses to be built? Would you welcome all the truck traffic and congestion and exhaust?

2:45:38 – 2:45:53Speaker 22

Probably not. So listen to what the decades have to say to the day. And I wonder why our leaders haven't required all the warehouses to put solar panels on top of their roof to supply power. Thank you very much for your time.

2:46:01 – 2:46:31Speaker 39

Good evening. I know it's gonna be a long night, and I appreciate everybody taking the time to listen to everybody. My name is Matt Robinson. I'm the Jackson Township supervisor. I'm sure everyone is aware, this practice is entirely in Jackson Township. I have read through some of the items in the agenda packet, especially the traffic study. Jackson Township is mentioned multiple times, and no one from the developer has even talked to us yet. Wow. This project will directly affect our residents with increased traffic and their safety, especially during construction. Yep.

2:46:31 – 2:46:57Speaker 39

I'm sure this has been worked on by the city and developer for months. Increased The traffic on Route 53 and other side road like Ridge Road, many under the jurisdiction of Jackson Township will be greatly increased, especially during construction. I am here tonight representing my residents' safety and quality of life. I hope in the near future, we will be able to talk about this project and the impact it will have on the residents of Jackson Township safety and quality of life. Thank you.

2:47:00 – 2:47:11Speaker 2

Can we have we have Dan Wexler, Glennon McCollum, Jason James, Portia Gallegos, Jennifer Garlitz, Andrea Baumhart? Please come to the middle.

2:47:14Speaker 72

Go ahead. Good evening, members of

2:47:16 – 2:47:50Speaker 73

the Joliet City Council. My name is Maribel Josso. I am a stay at home mother to a toddler. I am currently pregnant, and I live three miles from this data center. I'm not here to talk about tax revenue. I'm here to talk about our children's lungs, our water, and our right to live in our own homes without fear. I'm here because I am terrified that this council is voting on a project you do not have to live with. When you approve this, you are telling our families that our health is secondary to computer servers. We live in our home. We play outside.

2:47:50 – 2:48:20Speaker 73

We drink the water. But based on documented failures at other data centers, here is the gift you are giving our neighborhood. You are placing a water guzzling giant on top of an aquifer that is already failing. In Newton County, Georgia, families just like mine saw their wells fill with sediment and run bone dry within months of a metadata center groundbreaking. Those families are now facing $25,000 bills to replace wells that officials promised were safe.

2:48:20 – 2:48:59Speaker 73

With Joliet's aquifer already in a state of emergency, what is your plan b? When are taps stopped running? Is there a bonded repair fund, or are we just collateral damage? Closed loop promises mean nothing without transparency on where that chemically discharged water ends up. Where exactly is the volume of wastewater being treated, and can those facilities actually handle that volume of untreated water? Where does it end up after the treatment? They don't like, we don't know. Eutellus generators are for emergencies only. But in April, the CyrusOne data center in Aurora had a transformer failure. Their diesel generators ran for three days straight.

2:49:00 – 2:49:40Speaker 73

Residents described it as unlivable, a roar like a helicopter on the roof that they could feel in their bones. If that happens across 800 acres here, what is the plan? Why are we settling for tier two generators when tier four technology exists to cut the nitrogen oxides, a known carcinogen that causes cardiovascular issues, respiratory diseases, and a higher incident of asthma in children and surrounding residents. Are you prepared to tell the parents at the Lairway Elementary School three miles away that their children must breathe diesel exhaust for seventy two hours because there was an emergency failure? A twenty four seven industrial is not a neighbor.

2:49:41 – 2:50:21Speaker 73

Data centers produce a high decimal and even worse, a low frequency infrasound that penetrates walls causing sleep deprivation, neurological issues, cardiovascular strain, chronic stress, and wildlife disruption. The CyrusOne data center in Aurora has received multiple reports of significant noise and vibrations from residents leading to complaints of sleep deprivation and stress. Standard walls and landscape burns are generally not sufficient on their own to completely stop the noise, particularly the low frequency infrasound. What is your concrete plan to mitigate a sound that never sleeps? Our residential streets cannot handle this construction traffic.

2:50:21 – 2:50:54Speaker 73

Will you ban these construction trucks from using our neighborhood roads tonight? And when our electricity bills spike to cover the massive system costs of the center, what relief will you provide to the families who can no longer afford their heat? You are rushing to approve a project in a largely unregulated industry. I ask you one question. If you lived three miles from this site, would you say yes? I urge you to vote no. Do not trade the health of Joliet families for a thirty year tax deal. Thank you.

2:51:02 – 2:51:40Speaker 74

Go ahead. Honorable mayor, members of the city council, good evening. My name is Dan Wexler, I'm here representing the Indiana, Illinois, Iowa Foundation for Fair Contracting, respectfully voicing my strong support of the proposed Joliet Technology Center. Joliet is being asked to make an important decision about the kind of growth it wants to encourage and the kind of economic future it wants to build. This project combines exactly what local governments just like Joliet should be looking for, substantial private investment, meaningful job creation, and a development framework that allows the city to manage impacts through enforceable conditions and continued oversight.

2:51:40 – 2:52:07Speaker 74

In the short term, this development represents a significant volume of construction work for skilled tradespeople, contractors, and apprentices. That means real employment, real training opportunities, and real economic activity tied directly to the build out of this facility. In the long term, this project will support permanent positions in operations, maintenance, security, and technology. Simply put, the value of this project does not end when construction does.

2:52:07Speaker 27

Speaker, are we

2:52:08 – 2:52:39Speaker 74

This project presents Joliet with an opportunity to strengthen its tax base through major capital investments without the city being asked to carry the burden through local tax abatements. That is an important distinction to remember. Too often, communities are told to accept risk and hope the promised benefits follow. Here, Joliet has the opportunity to secure a long term economic value for a project that is being advanced with conditions, review, and accountability built into the process. I also want to address a few of the concerns that have been raised.

2:52:39 – 2:53:07Speaker 74

A project of this scale should be scrutinized carefully, and those concern concerns should be taken seriously. But it's important to distinguish between rigorous scrutiny and reflexive opposition. The standard is not whether a project has zero impact. No major development has that standard. The proper standard is whether the impacts have been identified, whether safeguards are in place, and whether the city retains the authority to enforce those safeguards as the project moves excuse me, moves forward.

2:53:07 – 2:53:32Speaker 74

This is what makes this proposal different. The public record reflects a project structure that includes limitations, phased review, and continued oversight. In other words, the city is not excuse me, the city is not being asked to control to surrender control. It's being asked to approve a project within a framework that preserves public leverage and public accountability. This is the kind of smart growth local government should support.

2:53:32 – 2:53:55Speaker 74

Growth that creates good jobs, strengthens the tax base, and remains subject to clear conditions and public oversight. Ultimately, the issue before the city council is whether the project offers economic value, meaningful employment opportunity, and a framework of enforceable protections. In my view, it does. For those reasons, I respectfully urge a yes vote. Thank you very much for your time. Good

2:53:59 – 2:54:58Speaker 75

evening, mayor, city council. My name is doctor Glenda Wright McCollum and I am the CEO of Arise Community Development Center Corporation. We are a local non profit five zero one C3 organization that is committed to strengthening neighborhoods and expanding opportunities for the residents in Joliet. As you consider the proposed data center, I respectfully urge the council to ensure that if this development is approved, that it includes meaningful and structured community benefit award for the people of this city, particularly the South Side Of Joliet that has been so gravely neglect ed for decades. Projects of this magnitude at a cost of $20,000,000,000 receive significant incentives as well as produces substantial economic growth for developers and corporations.

2:54:59 – 2:56:12Speaker 75

It has been reported that a $100,000,000 offer is on the table in exchange for approval of this project, which equates to about 0.5% of the projected costs. National standards for community benefit agreements used in cities like Chicago, Detroit, Los Angeles, which is incomparable to the size of this proposed data center, is anywhere between one to 3% in community benefit awards. For a project this size, using those metrics would constitute 200,000,000 to 600,000,000 for community benefit awards. Consequently, it is only reasonable that the surrounding community also receive intentional and measurable investment in return. Community benefit funding could support critical initiatives such as workforce development, youth engagement programs, STEM programs, neighborhood revitalization, improvement to facilities that serve residents on a daily basis.

2:56:13 – 2:57:27Speaker 75

Joliet is growing and evolving, but that growth must be balanced with community reinvestment. When developments of this magnitude enter our city, there should be a clear pathway ensuring that local organizations, residents, and neighborhoods share in that progress. If this project is approved, we encourage the council to establish a community benefit structure as well as put governing measures in place by hiring personnel that can represent as well as give oversight to ensure that the awards reach the communities that are most in need. Again, namely the Southeast Side Of Joliet. What I'm asking for is, if you approve city that are in dire need of revitalization by providing viable community benefit awards to grassroot organizations that are working so diligently diligently to bring substantial and sustainable changes to hurting and neglected communities.

2:57:27Speaker 75

Thank you for your leadership and consideration.

2:57:35 – 2:57:51Speaker 76

Evening mayor, council members. My name is Jason James. I'm a union organizer with the Labors International Union of North America. Our organization represents over half a million hardworking middle class men and women of all races. Over 600 of them being here living residents of Joliet.

2:57:52 – 2:58:26Speaker 76

Besides the laborers union, there are anticipated about seven to 10,000 other jobs needed to complete the construction of this project. This will bring many other jobs for our fellow union trades with their members also residing in this area. After the project is complete, it will allow for an additional 700 permanent positions for our local residents. This is a once in a lifetime project we would love to say we are part of creating and do not wanna miss out on this remarkable opportunity. Over $300,000,000 of tax revenue this database will produce over the years will tremendously help our school system, our local community in a way that Joliet has never seen.

2:58:26 – 2:58:42Speaker 76

Hillwood has provided us with their plan and vision with complete transparency. They hold themselves to the highest standards when coming to the health and safety of our community. When that being said, our organization and members are all on board. So please approve the annexation so we can move forward with the project. Thank you for your time and consideration.

2:58:50 – 2:59:05Speaker 71

Hi. I'm Portia Gallegos. I'm a Joliet resident, a homeowner, and a member of Joliet Residence for Responsible Growth. And my question is, how important is transparency in city government? And I think we all agree it's very important.

2:59:05 – 2:59:48Speaker 71

And this data center is one of the most consequential projects to be proposed in Joliet in years. A project this big with so many effects on our community requires a great deal of outreach and communication with all of Joliet's residents and this has not happened. I understand that Hillwood first brought this idea up to the city and the council more than two years ago, so staff and council are familiar with the idea and have had many opportunities to ask questions of Hillwood and Powerhouse, but the public has not. The first I heard of Stats Center was an October 2025 planning meeting. The data center was taken off the table and then Joliet residents, we didn't hear anything until mid February when Hillwood had an open house at JJC, which was announced less than two weeks ahead of time.

2:59:49 – 3:00:09Speaker 71

I went, I visited all the tables, and I could not get a straight answer to any of my questions. I want to say saying you're transparent and being transparent are two entirely different things. Hillwood says they're transparent and we can get nothing out of them. Then we had the March 5 planning meeting. That was the first time I heard concrete numbers from Hillwood about water use and discharge along with other specifics.

3:00:10 – 3:00:38Speaker 71

Less than two weeks later, you are here to potentially approve this data center. What is the hurry? Other communities in our area have said no and had second thoughts. Naperville and Lyell just said no. Aurora initiated a September moratorium on data centers and now is holding multiple, like eight to 10 public hearings to create a data center ordinance because they realize they made mistakes when they first approved the data centers and now their residents are suffering the health consequences.

3:00:39 – 3:01:04Speaker 71

So why are we rushing on this? Let's take the time to get this right. Regarding transparency, another thing, almost none of the cities or hillbows communication has been in Spanish. And I just want to say What a lack of respect for the community. The city of Joliet realizes it's important to have bilingual communication in our city so a Spanish speaking resident can find out when it's story time at the library.

3:01:04 – 3:01:34Speaker 71

But for this 1.8 gigawatt project, a project that uses as much electricity as two cities of Orlando, there is nothing. A bilingual link on the city's web page to reports written completely in English along with bilingual signs about the public meeting at the project site. This is unacceptable. Finally, Hillwood Powerhouse and ComEd filed a transmission services agreement with the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission on 01/13/2026, two months ago. It's just been approved.

3:01:35 – 3:02:18Speaker 71

I want to read something from the very first page which says, To honorable Debbie Ann A. Reese, Secretary of the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission, Hillwood is constructing a new data center campus in Joliet, Illinois. Is constructing, not maybe, not possibly, is constructing, to which ComEd intends to provide retail electric delivery services pursuant to the applicable rate schedule of ComEd's electric retail service tariff on file with ICC. I understand there may be contingency clause in the contract in case the city doesn't approve the project, but why was Hillwood so confident that their project would be approved that they submitted a transmission services agreement before a planning commission or city council meeting was scheduled? I don't know why they're so confident of approval so far in advance.

3:02:19 – 3:02:55Speaker 71

Right now, there is legislation Springfield to put guardrails on data centers and protect our residents, our water, our electrical supply, our air quality and our health. So what's the big rush? Please vote to table this until we can at least have bilingual public meetings someplace like Billy Lillemacher with staff from Hillwood and the city. Cause the city staff is actually really pretty great. I had a chance to meet with them and they answered a lot of my questions, but I'm one person and we have a 150,000 people in Joliet who need these answers. Create a data center ordinance like other cities have. Get answers to our questions because there are still so many unanswered questions. Please table us until our questions can be answered and we can get a better deal. Thank you very much.

3:02:59Speaker 2

Can we please have Reagan, Paterson, Patrick Young, Jay Jones, Bonnie Larson, Nick Domberg, Michael Plata come to

3:03:09 – 3:03:43Speaker 77

the center? Jennifer Garlitz. Go ahead. Good evening. Jennifer's my name, and I live in Joliet. I'm a homeowner. And I wanna say that I wanna start off by saying that union jobs are important. Construction jobs are important. I when I was working, I'm very recently retired, I was in a union. And I want to say that I have done some reading about data centers and jobs.

3:03:44 – 3:04:39Speaker 77

And although industry groups claim that each new data center creates dozens to hundreds of high wage high school jobs, some researchers say data centers generate far fewer jobs than other industries, such as manufacturing. A 2025 brief from University of Michigan researchers said data centers do not bring high paying tech jobs to local communities. A recent analysis from Food and Water Watch, Watch, a nonprofit that tracks corporate overreach, found that in Virginia, the investment required to create a permanent data center job was nearly 100 times higher than what was required to create comparable jobs in other industries. The next thing I want to talk about is the moratoriums, bills on data centers in The United States. It's already been mentioned that Naperville recently voted against a data center.

3:04:39 – 3:05:09Speaker 77

There's a good reason for that. There are reasons for that. Also, in The United States, in the following states, there is legislation at the state level to put a moratorium on data centers. I'll just mention a few specifics. In Georgia, House Bill ten twelve would bar counties and cities from issuing any permit, license, or certificate that would authorize the construction or development of a new data center until March 2027.

3:05:10 – 3:05:49Speaker 77

In New York, Senate Bill nine one four four would impose a statewide moratorium on permits for new data centers and direct the Public Service Commission to minimize impacts on electricity and gas rates. And then in also other states that have legislation that is they're looking at passing to declare a moratorium on data centers is Vermont, Virginia, South Dakota, Oklahoma, Michigan, Maryland, and Wisconsin. And there is a reason for this. And I think we need to look at what are the reasons for this? Why are states doing this?

3:05:50 – 3:06:24Speaker 77

There is a good reason for it. And we need to look at that. Oh, I also want to mention about the bathroom poster in the bathroom right up there. It was interesting because it talked about how we need to save water in Juliet. And or okay. So the deep this is from the bathroom poster I'm quoting. The deep well aquifer which supplies water to Juliet will not be able to keep up with maximum demand by 2030. So the city of Joliet is encouraging water conservation. I'm all about that. I think that's fantastic.

3:06:24 – 3:06:53Speaker 77

I think we should do that. We need to encourage water conservation. So the encouragement on the poster is to get low flow toilets, 1.28 gallons per flush. And if we're that concerned about our water situation, then we really need to look at the water usage of a data center. Because our water situation in Joliet is precarious. Thank you. Hi,

3:07:02 – 3:07:30Speaker 72

Andrea Baumhardt. I wanted to start tonight by saying that there is one thing that Juliet does get right every time I come to these meetings. And that it is that you open the meeting with prayer. And you ask for the divine intervention of our Lord and ask for his guidance. And the Lord is invited into this space.

3:07:30 – 3:08:04Speaker 72

He's with us. He's definitely with me. I take that prayer very seriously. I hope you do too. And there are so many potential energy related environmental and health impacts that we've been bringing up for months to these Joliet meetings. Okay? I've been coming since October. Now we know that you've been having secret meetings for two years, but we were never invited to the table. Okay. They were first to the table.

3:08:05 – 3:08:43Speaker 72

Where was the workshop made where we could all get together and share concerns instead of having everybody wait to the last minute. I wanna also address the inferred disrespect and I believe this came from the attorney at the plan commission, the last meeting I went to, who said, it doesn't matter. It's just an area with warehouses and solar farms anyway. But you know what? Real people live there.

3:08:44 – 3:09:25Speaker 72

I live there and we didn't ask for the largest data center in the Midwest to just come and be put there. So you have to accept that we're upset. Let's say just for one minute that there were not going to be any monetary benefits at all. Not for Joliet, that you weren't gonna get the 100,000,000 advance signing deal, there's gonna be no money. Would you still be signing this fast? Okay? Why aren't we getting public protections protections in in advance? Advance? You're getting a 100,000,000 in advance, but we're not getting public protections in advance. That's a grave disservice.

3:09:25 – 3:09:45Speaker 72

Okay? You are in effect gambling with what's not yours to play with. To me, it's no coincidence that this is all being finalized during Lent. Holy Week is just a few weeks away. So I'm gonna leave you with these thoughts. In the words of Saint Blessed Bernadette, I'm

3:09:45 – 3:10:06Speaker 72

to inform, not convince you. All things are gonna be returned to Christ. Everything that's disordered is going to be reordered. Someday, you're all gonna have to stand before the just judge, God almighty. You, me too, love, the attorneys.

3:10:08 – 3:10:52Speaker 72

There won't be any NDAs. There's not gonna be any names redacted. There's not gonna be any conversations hidden. Anything that was supposed to have been talked about won't be forgotten. Every thought, spoken word, fact, action, failure to take action is all going to be accounted for and you're not going to be able to say that you didn't know because you knew. Okay? So the only thing you really need to do in advance now is pause. You need to pause. Pause this vote. Pause.

3:10:53Speaker 72

And when you lay down your head at night, you remember the first shall be last and last shall be first.

3:11:12 – 3:12:00Speaker 78

Good evening, mister mayor, city council, city manager, staff. My name is Regan Patterson, and for years, I've served this community as a former alderman, Will County board member, and local attorney. I'm also a lifelong resident of Will County, someone who's raised a family here, paid taxes here, and watched this community grow with the residents put first. Today, I'm speaking on behalf of Harbor Contractors, Contractors, a a union construction management firm located in Plainfield, Will County, and members of the Will Grundy Building Trades and the Contractors Association. I'm here to tell you what I've seen with my own eyes, both as a public official and as someone who spent over six decades building facilities that positively impact our communities.

3:12:00 – 3:12:34Speaker 78

This isn't just another warehouse or strip mall. It's infrastructure of the future. Clean, quiet, high-tech that brings real local union jobs without choking our roads or clogging our schools. Hillwood isn't asking for handouts. They're investing $2,100,000,000 into the community while reducing the burden on taxpayers into land that maybe we've sat on for too long.

3:12:35 – 3:13:15Speaker 78

Harbor fully supports the Joliet Technology Center. Harbor built the Joliet Arsenal out, Abraham Lincoln Cemetery, the Will County Jail, and the RNG plant on the Will County Landfill, a very rare project that actually generates revenue for the county. Harper knows how to do this right. We build with minimal disruption, zero admissions from daily operations, and a workforce that is local and union. Carpenters, electricians, welders, plumbers, men and women in the union who already live in Joliet, Blackport, Romeoville, Plainfield, to just name a few.

3:13:15 – 3:13:31Speaker 78

I've sat on the other side of this table. I've heard the worries, traffic, noise, water use. Fair questions. But here's what I do know. Data centers like this run electricity, not diesel trucks.

3:13:31 – 3:14:08Speaker 78

They don't need constant deliveries. They don't pollute. And Hillwood's design, it's built to blend. Low pry low profile buildings, landscape buffers, buffers, and contained equipment thoughtful to mitigate sound. The tax revenue alone could fund road repairs, schools that our residents that these residents' children will attend, and parks for our children and also towards public safety, such as new police stations, fire stations that will protect our families.

3:14:09 – 3:14:52Speaker 78

Look. I voted on difficult land uses, heard complaints, and still come back to one truth. Progress isn't perfect, but stagnation is worse. On behalf of Harbor Contractors, I want to commend the council, city manager, staff, and Hillwood for all their due diligence, hours of research, creating a dash board, a website, and a town hall at Joliet Junior College. I trust you will do the right thing and vote yes for the Joliet Technology Center. Thank you.

3:15:00 – 3:15:46Speaker 79

Mayor, city council, my name is Patrick Young, business representative with the operating engineers local one fifty, representing over 24,000 operating engineers. I'm not gonna stand here and rehash everything you've heard this morning or not this morning. This evening, we're getting late. I will tell you though, I was, I'm fortunate enough to sit on the Metropolitan Mayor Caucus for data centers, speaking to many mayors all over about these data centers. And I will leave you with one well, actually, not one, but I I've got a bunch of points that were sent to mayors questions.

3:15:47 – 3:16:31Speaker 79

They answered the questions. And I will tell you that contrary to belief, one of the mayors up north, he responded to one of the questions about taxes. His response was is they have decreased property tax levy on residents 11% over five years. Again, they have decreased their property taxes on levy on residents 11% over five years. Local one fifty stands behind this this project. Thank you to Hillwood for bringing it to Joliet. We hope you vote yes for this project. Thank you. Good

3:16:36Speaker 80

evening, members of the council, and staff. My

3:16:41 – 3:17:16Speaker 80

is Jay, and I'm with the workforce development of Sheet Metal Workers Local two sixty five and a member of Will Grundy Building Trades. While I don't live in Joliet, I've worked in Will County for over twenty five years, and a large part of my career has been spent working alongside people who live right here in this community. I'm here tonight speaking on behalf of many hardworking men and women in the building trades who will help build this project. Many of them live in Will County and the surrounding communities. A lot of them can't be here tonight because they're working, taking care of their families, or simply aren't comfortable speaking at meetings like this.

3:17:16 – 3:17:41Speaker 80

So I'm here to speak on their behalf. I understand that projects of this size raise questions and concerns, and that's understandable. People care about their communities, but I wanna be clear about something. I would not support a project that I believe would put the people I represent or the communities they live in at risk. These are the same workers who could be building this project and living here long after construction's finished.

3:17:41 – 3:18:13Speaker 80

Construction work isn't temporary for the families who rely on it. It's a career that supports households, puts kids through school, and keeps local business going. When projects like this come forward, the decision isn't just about land use or zoning. It's about whether communities like ours continue to be places where skilled trade people can earn a good living and support their families. From the perspective of the workers I represent and the years I've spent working in Will County, I believe this project deserves your support. Thank you for your time.

3:18:19 – 3:19:02Speaker 82

Hi, my name is Bonnie Larson, and I live off Burke Drive in Joliet. And I am so, so relieved that this project isn't behind Eisenhower Academy that is on my street. I thought it was. And when I see everybody that's talking about this project, and I see that there's so much uncertainty air, water, noise, everything. I get very just watching some of the people up here, just coming up here, I get so scared for them that they live near what's so much uncertainty, and and that shouldn't be.

3:19:03 – 3:19:28Speaker 82

And I I don't support putting a data center in with that much uncertainty and having so much go wrong, knowing so much can go wrong, and having an Erin Brockovich type of issue come up later, I really think it's not in the best interest of human life. And I don't support it. I'm sorry.

3:19:35 – 3:20:17Speaker 55

Good evening, counselors. Good evening, mayor. My name is Michael Platla. I've lived in Joliet since I was nine on and off most of my life. I'm a veteran. I'm a union tradesman, and I'm asking you to vote no on this project. You could build anything on this land. You could build something that would bring value. You could build homes. You could build strip malls. You could build a car dealership. Hospital. And use hospital. We need more hospitals. And use union labor. You don't have to build a data center. The data center's only value to add AI. This thing is killing jobs, and it hurts me to see union leaders supporting it. It's a job killer. It's a surveillance tool. They're blaming it for bombing a school in Iran.

3:20:18Speaker 42

They get the price as well. Yeah.

3:20:20 – 3:20:56Speaker 55

They're promising us to replace huge sectors of the job labor market. Sorry. This is all for me. If AI is, like, too nebulous a threat, then just look at your electric bill. My electric bill went up, and I went looking why. And all the signs pointed toward data centers. I know their paid rep told us that, it's actually okay, that my bill is actually not that high, but it keeps going up, and I'm sick of it. So their descendants are to blame across the board. I implore you to listen to your community when we tell you that we don't want this here. Thank you.

3:20:57 – 3:21:18Speaker 2

Can we have can we have Andrew Engelbrecht, Matt Ryan, Kathleen Garthas, Eva Scarborough, Tim Broderick? Come to the center, please. Go ahead. You can start.

3:21:18 – 3:22:02Speaker 27

I might have a few pages here, but I will keep it kinda quick. Believe it or not, there are experts beyond who you have talked to who have come here with the company. You're hearing from a lot of them, a lot of the residents, a lot of the folks who will vote you in or out. I I wanna just implore you folks that this, you know, we this is a former boom town. Right? Okay? This isn't anything that's foreign to us in Joliet. There is a history of that. And like any big boom, you can rush into it, you can overbuild, and you can shoot yourself in the foot. And this is one of those situations. This is going to be one of those situations. It seems like a lot of you have already voted yes on this. Like, I don't know how that's possible before hearing from us. I don't know how ground is being broken for this project. I don't understand how that is moral.

3:22:02 – 3:22:47Speaker 27

I don't understand how that, you know, is is accountable at all to your vote or to the people who you're supposed to be representing. And to push this thing through before something like the Power Act has been passed, I mean, that's something that's just proposed. I I would love to hear if any of you all know about the Power Act. I just am learning about it. Just like I'm just learning about this proposed data center not too long ago. This thing is being pushed fast without proper protections in place. Okay? The the power act, if it passes, that could do things like prohibit shifting data center costs onto consumers. It can bring it can force them to bring their own new clean energy capacity to the project. Faster grid connection for clean energy for for cleaner energy.

3:22:47 – 3:23:25Speaker 27

Public benefits and affordability funds. Protections for consumers. These things are not in place. So we wanna build this gigantic facility. Right? And they've said themselves I mean, just now, they said they have little experience in building data centers. And yet, they can also say, this is not new technology. Some of this is inherently false. So I hope that you listen to some of the experts who are community members who are coming up here and talk to me. My I might not be the expert, but there are folks here who can school you. So please listen to these folks. Alright? I mean, I have I have gone around I've knocked doors for a couple of folks on on this council. Alright? I know there's some good people on this council.

3:23:25 – 3:23:57Speaker 27

I know I've had some disagreements with some folks on the council. That's okay. I don't, you know and also, as far as the labor unions go, of course, I respect I'm a 100% pro union. I get it. You guys want the work. But we have to do this thing responsibly, to push this forward so quickly without looking into both the rhyme of history when we have overbuilt, when we have done things before we fully understand the impact of overbuilding and making something so huge. Okay? I was talking about how I had knocked doors for a couple of people. Right? I went to a neighborhood that is pretty close to this proposed site.

3:23:57 – 3:24:34Speaker 27

Alright? I knocked on some doors. I talked to some folks, and it's a pretty diverse neighborhood, neighborhood, politically, racially, what have you, and there was some amazing amazing bipartisan opposition to this project. I I didn't talk to one person in that neighborhood. I wish I could've talked to a lot more if there were more lead up time. A lot of us would've had more time to organize around this issue. Right? Every person I talked to in that neighborhood was afraid their property values are going to drop, and they're looking at you guys. They're saying, well, look at it. And there's and there's houses being built down the street, not even built yet.

3:24:34 – 3:25:08Speaker 27

Imagine those people, when they put their life savings into a house that is miles from this facility, just a couple of miles, if that, from this facility. Right? What's gonna happen? The the moment they pay for that house, sometime in the next year or two before it's done being built, their property value is gonna go way down. Alright? And I wish I had more time, but basically, the point the point of these data centers is to cause is to is to widen the wealth disparity gap. Alright? They're mining data of the poor and the what's left of the middle class to make billionaires richer. Okay? That is the expressed purpose of this facility.

3:25:09 – 3:25:30Speaker 27

Okay? And anything else is an untruth or is some some type type of way to wind around. So this is not reflexive opposition. Okay? These are your constituents asking you to represent their best interest. Okay? We didn't have a lot of time to organize coming up to this vote, but we will have time to organize based on the result of this vote. We sure as heck will. Alright? Thank you.

3:25:39Speaker 51

Thank you for your time.

3:25:40 – 3:25:55Speaker 83

I appreciate you listening to me. Amazon, $33,000,000,000 on one data center. Amazon's don't doesn't pay a lot in taxes. They have all kinds of tax incentives. Okay.

3:25:55 – 3:26:42Speaker 83

So, okay, a single large, large hyperscale data center consumes enough enough electricity for 100,000 households. In 2024, data centers use a 183 terawatts of electricity in this country. That could raise that could raise by 8%, and that could double in two years. In Virginia, a data center consumed 21% of total power in 2023, surpassing all residential use at 18%. The electric grid is going to have to be updated time and time again.

3:26:42 – 3:27:23Speaker 83

One county was it was updated five times. We pay for that. They're not gonna pay for the updates on the electrical grid. I've okay. One more couple more. Okay. So how I didn't hear anybody say how what type of energy is going to produce the electricity. I didn't get that. But if it's not renewable, that's where the construction jobs should be going. For renewable renewable energy, energy, we have got nothing but be a months of warehouses that are taking up all our land.

3:27:23 – 3:27:44Speaker 83

We're using how much farmland is gonna be gone? It's going to be gone and it'll never come back. I'm seeing this county disappearing into a a concrete jungle. Finally, one thing that hasn't been brought up that all of you should start thinking about real good about your kids. This is the Nobel Laureate's speech.

3:27:44 – 3:28:14Speaker 83

I'm gonna make it quick. Was the founder of AI. This is his speech before the Nobel Committee. This new form of excels at modeling human intuition rather than human reasoning and will enable us to create highly intelligent and knowledgeable assistants who will increase productivity in almost all industries. If the benefits of the increased productivity can be shared equally, it'll be a wonderful advancement for all humanity.

3:28:15 – 3:28:58Speaker 83

Unfortunately, and that's when the whole noble committee, the whole room went quiet. Unfortunately, the rapid progress in AI comes with many short terms risks. It has already created divisive echo chambers by offering people content that makes them indignant. It is already being used by governments to massive surveillance by cybercriminals for phishing attacks. In the near future, AI may you be used to create terrible new viruses and horrendous lethal weapons that decide the that by that who will decide who to kill and what nation to keep and whatnot.

3:28:58 – 3:29:15Speaker 83

Our military, they're quitting Google. Technicians are quitting Google because they had to supply intelligence and intelligence to Israel's war with Gaza. So this is going to be used for warfare. They don't even let me keep going. Okay.

3:29:15 – 3:29:47Speaker 83

And there is also a longer term existential threat that will arise when we create digital beings that are more intelligent than ourselves. We have no idea whether we can stay in control, but we now have evidence that if they are created by companies motivated by short term profits, our safety will not be the top top priority. We urgently need research on how to prevent these new beings from wanting to take control. Okay. That's it.

3:29:56Speaker 28

Hi, council, mayor. Most importantly, the people in the room, thank you for all of you to speak tonight. My

3:30:05 – 3:30:46Speaker 28

Andrew Engelbrecht. I'm the chair of the Green Party of Will County. I'm a DSA member. I'm a u I'm part of a a family union union union workers. Couple I just couple points I wanted to make and at least say my piece because, this is this is not good. The infrasound, you know, the you can't even hear. Okay? The and these data centers that are creating all these health problems, migraines, anxiety. I have anxiety speaking up right here, so I hate I would hate to see what what'll happen when when we build this. Insomnia, cancer, all these health problems.

3:30:47Speaker 28

Okay. That's one. We're people have spoken about the water, the energy, the climate crisis.

3:31:00 – 3:31:26Speaker 28

We have about twenty years left before things go completely south. Okay. It's it's already happening. It's it's okay. Couple couple more points. Okay? Follow the money. Follow the money. Who's who's gonna profit off this? And just one last thing. Listen to the people.

3:31:40 – 3:32:15Speaker 57

And Hi, council members and mayor. Mayor. I'm I'm Eva Jean Viyev Scarborough. I'm a new resident here. I'm a homeowner. I moved to Joliet two years ago. And I was shocked to find my electric bill already rising. I'm paying about $80 in April, May, June, and a little more in July and August running the AC. But boy, when winter hit, it was up to 200 almost 300 And I couldn't I live on social security. I'm a disabled senior.

3:32:15 – 3:32:55Speaker 57

So keeping this house, I I'm just on a tight budget and, like, any little increase is going to kill me. You know, I don't want to see data centers raise those rates and it seems the proof is in that they do. So I have a real concern about that. If the rates go up because of this massive center, it consumes almost if it's running full tilt, it will consume almost the entire output of the Hoover Dam equivalent to that. So that only generates two gigawatts, so this is 1.8.

3:32:57 – 3:33:12Speaker 57

That's a lot of power. It's the infrastructure, if they're running at that intensity, this old infrastructure isn't going to handle that. Be serious. There's physics involved in this. Something's got to give.

3:33:13 – 3:34:04Speaker 57

And my other concern, several I've been spoken to enough tonight, but my concern is also the subsonic sounds from this. It affects infant development, brain development in infants in the womb and toddlers. It causes cardiac problems, not to mention stress and insomnia and other things that were mentioned. It's a real concern and I think built into the contract for this if we're going to do it, we have to put in protections for the people who might be harmed, medical costs, and all of the costs of of taking protecting your children, and if people have to relocate, those costs need to be covered 100% by the developer, I think. And that I think that should be a prerequisite for signing on this deal.

3:34:05Speaker 57

So I would like to thank you for your time and thank you all. Thank you all.

3:34:10 – 3:34:24Speaker 2

Can I have Larea Williams, Persephone Carr, Rita Renwick, Sean Miller, Amy Jack Connelly, Nick Fipol, and Alicia Morales come to the middle?

3:34:24Speaker 63

Sorry. I'm sorry. Shame on you, ma'am.

3:34:28Speaker 2

Shame on you. Excuse me.

3:35:32Speaker 9

What's his name?

3:35:33Speaker 20

I don't have him.

3:35:42Speaker 2

Go ahead, Kathy.

3:35:44 – 3:36:28Speaker 29

Okay. I speak for his frustration. I understand it. He speaks exactly what we all are saying right now. I with all this stuff with this data center, there is you know, after the planning committee thing happened, what happened? What happened? Does anybody know what The US is involved in right now? We are at war with our ram right now. You know? And what happened to the gas prices? Everybody knows how fast the gas prices went right up. You know? How many times a day did the gas prices go up? How high are the gas prices now compared to what they were before when this planning committee thing meeting happened? You know, we are at currently at war in Russia.

3:36:28 – 3:36:50Speaker 29

Right? I mean, in Iran right now. I asked AI, can China and Russia use data centers to shut down US war weapons? AI on on Google says, yes. China and Russia are actively working to build capabilities, through data centers and cyber operations that could allow them to disrupt or shut down US weapons system and critical infrastructure.

3:36:51 – 3:37:29Speaker 29

When checked, I say, do we want to have data centers to where we could get Russia and China controlling our weapons, especially when the uncertainty in this world is? We how uncertain we are with, you know, keep the tech things keep on, you know, coming up with with China and everything. And now there's the data centers here. You know, Amazon says it wants to go all or automotive with all their data with all their air their warehouses. They have already done they already got over a million machines in all their workplaces so far, and they the CEO of Amazon has said he wants to go completely automated, meaning get rid of all the human workers.

3:37:29 – 3:38:03Speaker 29

The human as he says, quote, the human workers will be working less, meaning they will not be even working at all because they're gonna totally eliminate them. Other high-tech places, you know, seem to come down like saying, oh, we'll have a thirty two hour work week, but give them the same pay. Well, you know, thirty two hour a day does not pay the same as forty eight hour a day. People still gotta pay their bills, which that you know, more people AI, the warehouse is taking over and going all robotic like we've all talked about for years. And that happens, all them people in the warehouses be unemployed.

3:38:03 – 3:38:27Speaker 29

They'd be in lining up in public aid offices down in there, Joliet, Will County, wherever all the public aid offices are in their in their county. They'd be going there lining up to get financial public aid. And we know how how the govern how Trump has already cut back on that. So who's gonna pay for that? And now as far as the cyber attacks, what happens when AI takes over and it crashes?

3:38:27 – 3:38:51Speaker 29

We know how many times when a computer crashes and stuff. Who who do call to get to get it out to fix it? You know, with cyber things taking over more and more, you get the people who don't know how to fix them just like automobiles. You take your car in to be fixed, they still can't fix your car or cost you thousands and thousands more dollars to get your car fixed, and still your car is not fixed. And now your car is inoperable, and your car still not fixed.

3:38:51 – 3:39:33Speaker 29

And all the noises and everything, I know from all my my experiences and all the problems, I've been coming here for years and telling you all about my situation. And I have yet found my solution and everything, everything, and my life just keeps getting worse and worse, and nothing's been done. I keep on losing more and more to where I'm at the point where I don't wanna live anymore. I ain't got nothing to live for anymore because everything's been taken away from me. I lost my mom because of the noise. She couldn't sleep. It did work on her health and gave her end up having her heart go out. And I've been just sitting there struggling with the consequences of everything since then. So it's not just it's all the noise. It's all the air pollution.

3:39:33 – 3:39:50Speaker 29

It's all the health problems that it can serve. And you cannot once your loved one is gone, you cannot bring them back. AI is not gonna be able to dig them in the ground, bring them back to life. We need to understand when a human life is gone and when human health is is sacrificed just for for big corporation dollars, it's not enough.

3:39:58Speaker 2

ahead. Go ahead.

3:40:00 – 3:40:24Speaker 84

Good evening, madam city manager, mayor, and members of the city council. Thank you for the opportunity to speak. My name is Timothy Broderick, lifelong Joliet resident. I'm here tonight as a private citizen to express strong support for the proposed Joliet Technology Center. I also want to acknowledge the weight of your responsibility.

3:40:24 – 3:41:01Speaker 84

I previously served on the Joliet Planning Commission, and that experience gave me a deep appreciation for how carefully these matters must be evaluated. I understand the city council carries the final vote and with it the obligation to balance opportunity, neighborhood impacts, infrastructure, and long term community priorities. I respect that this is not a simple decision. I support moving this project forward for three reasons. First, this is a generational opportunity.

3:41:01 – 3:41:54Speaker 84

Joliet can attract major long term private investment that brings jobs, expands the tax base, and signals that we are serious about responsible economic growth. Communities that win projects like this don't just add buildings, they expand opportunities for residents. Second, growth with accountability. The council has the ability to require measurable, enforceable standards, not aspirations, covering traffic and roadway improvements, utilities and water coordination, storm water management, lighting, noise mitigation, and public safety planning. Those conditions are how we protect neighborhoods while still welcoming progress.

3:41:55 – 3:42:44Speaker 84

Third and most important, our children and our schools. A project of this scale can produce the kind of stable, recurring revenue that helps the city do more than maintain services. It helps the city raise the ceiling on what it can provide. That matters because the future of Joliet is not just economic, it's educational. Stronger city finances support this the support the environment surrounds schools and learning, safer streets and crossings, better infrastructure, stronger police and fire readiness, improved parks and libraries, and the capacity to partner more effectively with our schools and youth programs.

3:42:44 – 3:43:33Speaker 84

And as we all know, great schools and great neighborhoods are inseparable. When we strengthen the financial foundation of Joliet, we strengthen conditions that allow students to thrive, and we make Joliet more attractive for families, teachers, and employers alike. In short, I believe Joliet should welcome this opportunity with clear conditions that protects protects residents and delivers measurable community benefits. I respectfully urge the city council to approve a pathway forward for the Joliet Technology Center and keep Joliet moving in a direction that is job creating, investment friendly, and responsibly governed. Thank you.

3:43:42 – 3:44:13Speaker 85

God, I would say good evening, but it's not a good evening. My name is Araya Williams, as you probably already know. I'm a PhD student studying data science after completing my master's in data science. I would like to say that as an AI researcher, Juliet homeowner, an advocate for sustainable and ethical AI, I oppose the construction of this data center. I would like to see it tabled at least for three important reasons.

3:44:14 – 3:45:07Speaker 85

Lack of transparency, cost versus benefit, and lastly, long term impact. I don't believe in moving fast and breaking things like these large tech corporations and data center developers. This process has lacked transparency. Whether it was significant delays in disseminating information to the public, a freedom of information request which was answered with over 1,300 pages of redacted information, or whether it was Jane Bernard, the city planner planner, having familial ties to the land trust being repeatedly denied and made opaque. The city council was elected to advocate for the community.

3:45:07 – 3:45:48Speaker 85

Lack of transparency shows bad faith. It makes it difficult to believe the decisions are made with our interest in mind. Additionally, there are many things that we still don't know even after the presentations. We don't know if it will use CPUs or GPUs, which differ vastly in power use, or if the power use projected is based on the minimum use with CPUs or the maximum use with GPUs, which affects whether or not they'll have to use backup diesel generators. More should have been done to incorporate community input into this project.

3:45:49 – 3:46:21Speaker 85

Next, cost versus benefit. In the past five years, wholesale electricity costs have gone up by as much as 267% as you've heard from others. And this is from Bloomberg News. This will cost Us. An article written by Cornell researchers outlines the effects of data centers on public health, with some data centers in Virginia costing communities 44¢ in public health costs for every dollar of electricity spent.

3:46:21 – 3:47:05Speaker 85

This will cost us our health in ways that cannot be remediated. The standard data center development, speedy deal making, opaque negotiations, deliver short term construction jobs and revenue, but little durable local economic upside according to the Brooking Institute. They later go on to discuss that further negotiations that ensure that the community is involved and that things that benefit community bring more benefit within this article. This will not give us long term jobs. As Tim and Giroux said, a lot of people who are making money are not the people who are actually in the midst of it.

3:47:06 – 3:47:51Speaker 85

And I would like to end with this quote from the Atlantic. As we drove through Southwest Memphis, Keshawn Pearson told me to keep my window down. Our destination could be better tasted, not viewed. Along the way, we passed an abandoned coal plant to our right, then an active power plant to our left equipped with enormous natural gas turbines. Pearson, who directs the non for profit Memphis Against Pollution, was bringing me to his hometown's latest industrial mega project. Already, the air smelled of soot, gasoline, and asphalt. Then I felt a tickle sliding sliding up my nostril and down into my

3:47:52 – 3:48:13Speaker 85

I was getting a cold, as we approached, I heard the rumble of cranes and trucks. And then from behind, a pack of keys emerged. Before I go. Go. Worse. Time Finally, I saw it. A wild walled hangar bigger than a dozen football fields. But Elon Musk intended to build a gun. Let's not move fast and break our community. Thank you.

3:48:22 – 3:49:01Speaker 86

Members of the city council and mayor Darcy, it is my pleasure to speak here tonight, but my displeasure to have to be here. You know, I was talking to people out in the waiting area over there, and I was telling them, it does feel like a done deal, and many of us already know it. We've seen how you engage and don't engage in these discussions. Don't look us in the eye when we have to tell you all of the negative effects that we will have to face and you can leave. There's nothing in this speech that hasn't been said before, and I think it's staggering that you will look this mountain of evidence in the eye and simply vote yes.

3:49:01 – 3:49:31Speaker 86

I hope it keeps you up at night, every night knowing that even though 80 of us are against it and 20% are not, you will still vote yes. I had the pleasure of speaking with a councilman here, and he was able to tell me his concern was I countered by saying the planning commission was scheduled at 03:30. We had a little back and forth. He told me, well that's just when they're scheduled. That is because you don't want to hear from us.

3:49:32 – 3:49:52Speaker 86

In the same way that Hillman scheduled their open town hall during a time when many of us have to work. Luckily I have the flexibility. I could put on my teams. Was like I'm gonna be at the city council meeting and people are telling me I hope it goes well for you and I have the flexibility to do that. But many people don't.

3:49:52 – 3:50:22Speaker 86

Many people have already had to leave because they have obligations outside, and they cannot afford to be here. But I can, so I will let my voice be heard. I wanna tell you that, yes, we did hear of a 2028 start time during the PUD meeting, and now we've heard about a 2033. Why can't we get the same numbers? We were quoted that the 23 2030 will be the price for energy cap, but the data center won't be built by them according to one metric, but will by the other.

3:50:22 – 3:50:55Speaker 86

And that the water will have access to by 2030. But if it's 2028, no, we won't. If I can't get two numbers on a start time, like, it doesn't even make sense. We can't make an informed decision. The water expert chastising people for having single use family households and having firefighting duties. These are things that we need to survive. We do not need this to survive. We talked about capacity. These are not highly used services. They're not being used to how much they could be utilized at this moment, but we're building another one anyway.

3:50:56 – 3:51:41Speaker 86

I wanna thank the councilman I spoke to for at least listening to my concerns. He was the only one of you who made yourself available during the brief time that he stepped away. I wanna talk about if the if the concern is lack of civil engagement, why was there no materials prepared in Spanish? Why did we not communicate this to other people? Why did I have to knock doors and have people tell me they had no idea what was going on? Because you failed to communicate what is important to your constituents who you don't care about. These chips will be outdated. One and a half years to three year or yeah. Three years. We can't have estimates.

3:51:41 – 3:52:25Speaker 86

They don't know who their who their customer is going to be. They have to say it will be the occupant because they don't have one lined up. In the PUD meeting, we were told there will be no serious negotiations until that was approved. I wanna know. How do you have a legitimate estimate for Islam tonight? You don't. You're creating a sacrifice zone. In this area, you talk about these homes like they're negligent, that people don't live here. They do. And they are trapped by your decisions. You wanna talk about NASCAR? Okay. We'll put something else that'll choke choke the air. Even though a a member for the my time's up. I will let you sleep and think about this tonight. Thank you.

3:52:30Speaker 2

Go ahead. You can start.

3:52:31 – 3:52:52Speaker 87

Hello. My name is Sean Miller. I am not a Joliet resident, I am a student here. I'm a Bolingbrook resident though, and I I like to say pollution knows no border, so I think that this is still relevant to me. I just want to actually I said I was gonna open with something real quick.

3:52:52 – 3:53:39Speaker 87

Let me pull this up. Okay. I just think that this is a little bit amusing so I'm gonna read it out loud. The reason why RAM has become four times more expensive is that a huge amount of RAM that has not yet been produced was purchased with non existent money to be installed in GPUs that also have not yet been produced in order to place them in data centers that have not yet been built, powered by infrastructure that may never reappear to satisfy demand that does not actually exist and to obtain profit that is mathematically impossible. Now, I want to ask the city council, do you guys know about the Chicago Spire?

3:53:40 – 3:54:15Speaker 87

Yep. That it was supposed to go up in I think 2007 and then the crash hit and now there's just a giant gaping hole on the lakefront somewhere. Yeah. So the reason I bring this up is when I was at the planning commission, I heard multiple times that if these if this development goes vacant, then there's not really anything that can be done about it. It can't be removed or anything like that.

3:54:16 – 3:55:40Speaker 87

And the relevance of what I read aloud just now is that AI is basically just a speculation bubble. So we are really hedging almost 800 acres of quite valuable land on an investment that may very well never return for anybody who has put into it. And then when that crash happens, we're going to be left with our own Chicago spire except probably somewhere around 10 times, if not 20 times the size in terms of land area. So when it comes to this idea of of allowing for this development before anybody has decided to rent any of the space in it, I would also have to point to my hometown of Bolingbrook where we had a real estate developer build out a bunch of warehouses right across from my younger sister's middle school. So that happened in 2022, and as of right now, there are no companies that are using those warehouses.

3:55:40 – 3:56:40Speaker 87

And I just have to raise the concern that you're going to end up having another feature of the Joliet sprawl problem that's siphoning away electricity, that's siphoning away water, that's siphoning away several resources that are incredibly valuable to this city, and that you may be sitting on for multiple years before you ever see any kind of compensation for that. Because I can imagine that, you know, there are a million ways to Sunday that you can duck the property taxes that are gonna be levied against this development. Moreover, I think that one could make an appeal to beauty and say that there is something to be said when you have this sprawling gray mush that is Joliet and you add another big concrete megalopolis right on the edge of it.

3:56:40Speaker 1

That's Sir, it's been your four minutes. Please wrap

3:56:45Speaker 87

It's not a good look. Bye.

3:56:55 – 3:57:37Speaker 25

God bless you. Excuse me. Sorry. Thank you. Alright. So hello to Reardon, Merden, Moreno, Darcy, Abara, Pug, Clement, and Cardenas. I know that there is a lot of us in the room. You cannot greet us all individually. But seeing as you are the ones making the decision that's going to impact our lives here in Joliet, I wanna make sure that we address you all formally at least once. So hello. I'm sorry this is a long meeting, and I hope that we can all come to a conclusion that benefits all of us. First and foremost, hello. My name is Amy Balmer. I'm a culinary arts teacher at Joliet Central High School. I have all of my merch. I'm a hopeful homeowner in the area and a long time community member, and I'm someone who will be very largely affected by the development of the AI data center. If you vote yes. Thankfully, we can still vote no. Yay. Alright.

3:57:37 – 3:58:04Speaker 25

I know it all seems like there are some extra information in my introduction, but I promise you I will cover it all. First and foremost, I am currently looking to buy a home within the area. I actually viewed a home in the area today before coming to the meeting. Those plans are now on hold pending the decision of the data center. Why on earth would I sit through hours of these meetings hearing passionate words from my fellow community members, screaming, vote no. This is not what we want, and then still move into a city that sold all of us out. Not to mention, should this go through,

3:58:04Speaker 88

we will be polluting the air,

3:58:06 – 3:58:25Speaker 25

the water, the ground, the surrounding all surrounding the data center just for profit. Juliet already faces frequent boil orders, lack of water at times, and by twenty thirty, we will be pulling water from Lake Michigan. That is insane. Why would we wanna take a risk contaminating our borrowed water just as we are expected to get it? What benefit will come from that?

3:58:25 – 3:58:56Speaker 25

We heard a lot about how this is not much water being used in the proposed data center when compared between a residential area and the data center. The difference is we don't want our city's water being used for these buildings as there are almost none of us within Joliet who actually want this system built. So what is the difference? I do not want any part of it, and I cannot imagine living or paying taxes within a city that would dare to ruin our ecosystem into the ground, knowing the impact it would have on us all. I wonder how many others will decide not to live in our city or will consider even moving out pending this decision.

3:58:57 – 3:59:26Speaker 25

Just food for thought. There is the fact that I am a teacher within the Joliet School District, not to mention the fact that I am also an alum, proud to return to the school where I now work. I'm an advocate for my students at Joliet Central, the positive programs and opportunities that Joliet Township District and the surrounding community provides. I'm one of the first people to tell our kids about how amazing it is to live in this city and the resources that we have available here within our community. I am, however, very much a tell it as it is person, and I will give honesty to my students as they deserve.

3:59:26 – 4:00:03Speaker 25

I cannot imagine what I will tell them should this land be and sold off for this data center for a large scale corporation that will have extremely little to no lasting positive impact on our community as a whole. I cannot fathom how tomorrow before we cook in our labs, our new labs that I do appreciate. Thank you. We are a public building. I don't know how I will look them in the eyes and tell them that Joliet is a city that I once knew, that cared for its people and its future over many in greed. I am many things, but a liar I am not. I will tell them of the news, the annexation, and movement forward of the proposed data center, and how our city sold us out. I understand that we cannot make everyone happy. I teach high schoolers. Holy cow.

4:00:03 – 4:00:30Speaker 25

I get it. However, in all of the hours of public comments and meetings we have witnessed, there has been endless no's from your community. How loud do we have to scream to actually be heard? Tonight, we have many more bodies in the room against this proposal whose voices have been here the longest. It's those of us with more skin in the game. We are the people who live here and want overall what is best. Just as my job to look out for the best interest of my students, it is your job to look out for the best interest of the people who voted you into

4:00:30Speaker 18

those chairs that you now sit in.

4:00:33Speaker 19

If you cannot commit

4:00:34 – 4:00:57Speaker 25

to no, please at least commit to the table this decision so that it can be made later. Can we please call for a hold until we have more solid information? Table the proposal for a little while, be more informed, and come at it with more information. This is kind of seeming like a scam. There is a rush. It's coming from an assumed authority, and we don't have all the information. I'm feeling rushed. This feels not right. Thank you. Please stay here.

4:01:05 – 4:01:36Speaker 70

I'm Rita Renwick. I'm a resident of Joliet. My head is kind of spinning. I feel like I have a million voices going through my brain. I'm sure you do too. You know, I I'm standing here listening to everybody, and I have had the opportunity. I talked to Pat Mudran, who's my city councilman. I reached out to him. I did ask him, how many people got in touch with you? And he said, like, you and your husband, and then just email us that said vote no.

4:01:36 – 4:02:02Speaker 70

So, you know, I've heard people come up here and say things that I know are not true about this development. And I have talked to a few of the staff. And I think the city council feels like they know all the answers because I'm sure you've been given all the answers by your staff. They're very capable. You know, they have a lot of answers.

4:02:02 – 4:02:29Speaker 70

They, you know, soothed my some of my questions. But the public, from what I'm seeing and I saw at the plan commission, really are they don't have all that knowledge. I mean, my my ask is that you give the public an opportunity to actually ask questions. Now the developers had that open house at JJC. I went.

4:02:30 – 4:02:57Speaker 70

I had questions, and it seemed like they couldn't answer a lot because they don't know who the final user is or whatever. But after that, even, you know, I looked on the city's website. It was all legal documents. And then not until after the Planning Commission Committee meeting on March 5 was the current staff report, which you could read and try to get more information. It's still not all there.

4:02:58 – 4:03:29Speaker 70

So if people are up here asking and making comments, I mean, if they ask, they can't get an answer at any of these meetings, not the plan commission meeting and not here. So where would they ever get their answers from? We should have had and should have a public meeting where people can actually the staff could give all of their expert information. And people could ask questions in a respectful manner and feel like they've been listened to. I mean, I I think that's the big problem.

4:03:29 – 4:03:48Speaker 70

We are losing trust in our city government. And to me, that's the major problem here. So, you know, I don't really wanna talk longer than necessary. But, I mean, I learned something new tonight that there was gonna be a nighttime limit on sound. I hadn't heard that before.

4:03:49 – 4:04:30Speaker 70

I heard that 65 was about what they could get to, and yet Aurora is doing a reference or a ordinance that says 59 during the day, forty nine at night. Why can't we have that? I mean, if we're gonna do this, we should have best possible we should have people informed to feel like they can trust our government, which, you know, I would like to I trust people. I think your staff is great, but somehow that's not getting through to the public. So I'd ask you to delay and and try to inform the public and, you know, respect both ways from them and and show that you respect the citizens. Thank you.

4:04:37 – 4:05:13Speaker 23

Council, mayor Darcy, city manager, and staff. Before I get into what I'm the project that we're talking about, just for peace of mind, there is no hole in the city. This fire, it's 400. It is currently a 70 story plus high rise being built under a project labor agreement that means it's being done a 100% union. Over the past several weeks, we have heard a lot of discussion about this project and, unfortunately, a lot of misinformation as well, particularly about water usage, generator noise, pollution.

4:05:13 – 4:05:54Speaker 23

I think it's important that decisions about something this significant be based on facts, real information, not fear, not rumors. One of the biggest concerns people have raised is about water consumption. From what has been presented, this facility will operate in a closed loop cooling system. Means the water used to cool is recirculated rather than constantly discharged and replaced, which dramatically reduces the amount of water that is actually consumed. When you compare that to other developments that could be built on the same acreage, like large housing developments or other commercial projects, the water used from the data center operating on a closed loop system is actually much lower.

4:05:54 – 4:06:23Speaker 23

A typical household can use up to 100 gallons of water per person every single day. When you multiply this by hundreds of homes, the water demand becomes greater than what typically is used with this facility we use for. There have also been concerns about backup generators. The generators planned for this project are tier four compliant, which means they meet the strictest emission standards in the country. These systems are designed to drastically reduce pollutants compared to older generators technology.

4:06:24 – 4:06:57Speaker 23

And it's important to remember these generators aren't running all the day every day. They're primarily used for testing emergency backup situations, no different than a hospital, school system, or any other public building. A lot of fear of the surrounding this project seems to be driven by people that read online rather than actual facts that have presented. Social media can spread information quickly, but it doesn't always spread accurate information. What sometimes gets lost in these conversations is what the project really means for what people who live and work in here.

4:06:58 – 4:07:23Speaker 23

Projects like this create millions of working hours for men and women of this area. They create opportunities for many skilled tradespersons to build and maintain critical infrastructure. These are good jobs to support families. They provide livable wages and the kind of retirement security that many working people depend on. For many of us, projects like this are not abstract policy discussions.

4:07:23 – 4:07:49Speaker 23

They represent the ability to provide for families, to send our kids to school, and to build stable futures right here in our own community. Turning away a project like this doesn't just stop building a building from going up. It means turning away opportunity. It means slowing progress investment in the region that has always been built on hard work and innovation. I also want to acknowledge the efforts that have already been made from the community.

4:07:49 – 4:08:34Speaker 23

The developers have hosted informational events, including presentations at Joliet Junior College where people have heard directly from the experts involved and asked questions about the project. At the end of the day, this decision is more than just a building. It's about jobs, economic opportunity, and continued investment for the people of the region. I respectfully ask you to vote yes for this project and vote yes for hardworking men and women of the community who will help build this. I don't know if I stated my name to begin with. I'm Nick Feifel, president business agent of the Heat and Frost Insulators Union. Thank you for your time. I reside in New Venice, just outside of Delaney's Schoolhouse, about five miles from where the

4:08:35Speaker 30

of state keep it warm here.

4:08:37Speaker 23

Thank you. Thank you for your time. It's never too late to insulate. You're always going green with local seventeen. Thank you.

4:08:50 – 4:09:20Speaker 89

Go ahead. Okay. Good evening, mayor, city council members, and thank you for the opportunity to speak. My name is Alicia Morales, and I'm a lifelong resident of Joliet. I am a business woman here in Joliet. I do hold an MBA, so I'm pretty well read and well informed. I'm fully bilingual also. I'm elected as a Democratic Joliet Precinct 4 and Joliet Township Committee Woman. Most importantly though, wanna add that next month I will be celebrating one year cancer free. I'm a cancer survivor. Thank

4:09:22Speaker 72

you. Thank you and I

4:09:24 – 4:09:47Speaker 89

thank God for that. My kids live here, my grandkids live in Joliet and in full transparency because I think that is important, I do need to disclose that I am also the first Latina elected to America's First Community College. I have been a public servant because we don't get paid to serve on school boards. I've been a public servant on the JJC board for eleven years, okay? But today I'm speaking as a private citizen.

4:09:48 – 4:10:34Speaker 89

As you recall, a representative from Joliet Junior College spoke earlier in support for preparing the workforce for emerging industries and the importance of transparent dialogue on projects like of this scale. The position being The position being presented by the college tonight reflects the administration's perspective and not necessarily that of the board or its individual members like myself. My vision for our Joliet community and its long term development does not align with that position, and I feel it's important to say that clearly before sharing my concerns. I also wanna be clear about something more broadly. Over the course of the campaign trail leading up to tomorrow's primary election, as a precinct captain, our job is we don't get paid for that either.

4:10:34 – 4:11:15Speaker 89

But our job is to just inform people that elections are here and we need to get out and vote. Right? There has been political pressure by the union surrounding this issue. During the Will County Democratic Party meeting earlier this month, we were told that support or union resources for candidates could depend on how people line up on this vote. That kind of pressure has no place in public decision making. I was elected to represent my constituents and to exercise my independent and informed judgment. I do not take money from unions. I do not take money actually, they've never offered me any, but now I would think about if if I would even take it. Okay? I don't take money from corporations.

4:11:15 – 4:11:39Speaker 89

I take $10.15, $20 donations from the people that elect me, and my vote is for the people. Okay? My voice is not cannot be bought by developers, by political organize organizations, or by unions. My responsibility is to the residents of this community and to the long term future of our city. With that in mind, I would also like to share my concerns about this project.

4:11:39 – 4:12:08Speaker 89

I have always supported organized labor and deeply respect the work unions do to fight for fair wages, the keyword fair. Okay? They support safe workplaces and strong communities. Union workers have always been leaders in in demanding better for their communities, and I hope labor will push our city to bring in projects that create lasting union jobs, not just short term construction work. Fourteen years ago, our city considered building a for profit immigrant detention center.

4:12:08 – 4:12:51Speaker 89

Our community recognized that just because a project promises economic activity does not mean that it is the right fit, and the city chose not to move forward. And we switched up the mayor at that point also. Labor has always fought not just for jobs, but for good jobs that strengthen the places where we live. Our community deserves development that creates lasting opportunity, not projects that take our resources and leaves us with very little in return. I want all union workers that show up every day to work hard, that you don't have to vote the way that you're told. Our ballots are private and our choices are our own. Don't allow anyone to brainwash you and tell you who to vote for. If not, you're gonna get fired. That's not true. Before I close, I also wanna remind our elected officials that elections are approaching.

4:12:51Speaker 89

The mayor, members of the city council, and other local leaders will soon be asking our public for your support again. Thank you. Okay. Can I

4:13:00 – 4:13:12Speaker 2

please have Margaret? Can I also please have Margaret Corp, Samantha Garza, Mayra Jasso, Chris Carlson, Griselda Rodriguez to the middle, please?

4:13:18 – 4:13:55Speaker 28

Good evening, City Council. My name is Jack Connolly, and I'm a union organizer for the Labors International Union of North America or better known as Launa. I'm speaking on behalf of Launa and directly supporting the development of Hillwood and Powerhouse's Joliet data center proposition. This project has been, as stated before, estimated to create seven to 10,000 union trade jobs over the span of five to seven years. These jobs would be sourced for local union members from this very community and would be built to the high and this project would be built to the highest of standards.

4:13:56 – 4:14:12Speaker 28

a tremendous opportunity for not only us laborers, but all union trades and community members in this very room. Landon is looking forward to sending our hardworking and reliable members to work on this project and strongly urge the board to vote yes. Thank you for your time tonight.

4:14:26 – 4:14:46Speaker 4

Sign. Hi, city councilman. I've never done this before. I apologize. I'm horribly intimidated. This is a very new building to me. Thank you. But I am here because this is important to me, and I hope it's also important to you too. My name is Samantha. I am a resident of Joliet. I've always a resident of Joliet.

4:14:46Speaker 9

I was born here.

4:14:47 – 4:15:12Speaker 4

I was taught here. A certain amount of people also mentioned every time they went to a private school here. My I guess that's important. From preschool to high school, I was also privately taught inside of Joliet. So many schools, but still, I live here and love here, just like everybody else. I did attend j j c, I'm not proud to say that anymore after the representative that came here today. So I am

4:15:12Speaker 89

representing too. Yes. And I

4:15:14 – 4:15:54Speaker 4

love you for it. Thank you. But before that, thank you. I there's so many people here. Sorry. I do wanna address a couple of the city council members in particular, not really directed, but you'll know who I'm talking about. Because you guys came campaigning to my door, your your mail came to my house, and your representatives came to me talking to vote for you. You were running for city council at large. You were a business owner, a union worker, and you told us that you would keep the water prices down. And I don't know if this data center will really honor that promise.

4:15:54 – 4:16:28Speaker 4

I gave my faith to you. You said you cared about safety and you cared about the relationship between the city people and the police and everything else and the relations, and I gave my faith to you and our families gave our faith to you. I wanna believe you will honor that because we are scared. We're anxious, as I am, obviously. I would like to thank Susanna Iveragh, sorry, because I feel like you asked the questions that we're all dying to have the answers for and I really appreciate that.

4:16:29 – 4:17:12Speaker 4

There are so many things that we could talk about and obviously we don't have all the time in the world to talk about it, but also we have talked about so many things, I'm sorry, but it's just really disheartening that to see the union beyond so many of them because I am a union worker and I am a hard union worker. Am the hard working middle class woman that works with their hands every day and to see some of them play on their phones and watch motorcycle videos while their cohorts talk up here is kind of saddening because I don't think they really have their heart in here like I do. And I love this city. People will say things about this city, but I love this city and I've always loved this city. I've raised in the city.

4:17:12 – 4:17:56Speaker 4

My father's a union worker. I'm a union worker. I give my city its all. I give it all of my effort always. And I wanna believe that you guys will give us your all even if you don't say no, table it. It can be tabled, I wanna believe you believe in us and what we value is what you also value. I want to. So keep that in mind because I did not wanna talk here but I wouldn't be able to sleep at night if I didn't because I wanna believe in you, that you believe in us and you will do what is right by us. Table it. It needs to be tabled, we're not ready. The people who live there aren't ready. They don't deserve this. Nobody deserves this. Think about it more, please.

4:18:06 – 4:18:55Speaker 90

Good evening. I'd like to just say that I am very happy that everybody has been utilizing their voice and really utilizing their opinion in this room today and I'd like to thank thank everybody for their energy for being here today, regardless of where you stand. This city has been exploited for many years of its resources, the people definitely exploited. It's not a coincidence that the communities that have been largely neglected were also communities that were built from workers, and unions are actually here because corporations exploit people. So I think that is the reason for a union and to see all of

4:18:56 – 4:19:41Speaker 90

workers blindly standing up for this and it it really just for a job. There's so many other jobs. There are so many other jobs, truly. I mean, ExxonMobil, the Joliet refinery, they outsource over 1,200 jobs from Texas, from Louisiana. Plenty of workers from the union outside of our state. So I just wanna say that there are so many other opportunities, and please stop exploiting the people of Joliet. We really need you guys to stand up for us. And the roadway, the traffic over there, it it is bad, but we do not have to sell out to a company in order to make it better.

4:19:51 – 4:20:31Speaker 34

Good evening, council members, mayor Darcy. I appreciate the opportunity to come in here and speak. I'm a homeowner here in Joliet. I've been a resident at Joliet in that home for over thirty years now. I'm also an electrical engineer, and it makes me look at projects like this with a critical technical eye. I sent some emails to each of you, and I spoke on a number of of topics. But I I want you to realize that the presentation that you were given for this project was given to you by big data. They're backed by billionaires, and they produce a very fine product that's very persuasive. All we can do is look at what we can see on the Internet about it. We we have a a brief number of facts that we can use to judge it.

4:20:31 – 4:20:52Speaker 34

But be aware that you've been given a very polished presentation of what this data center's gonna be, with probably very optimistic results to expect for revenue streams and that sort of thing. Personally, I think that AI is a bubble that's gonna burst, but who knows? I I I'm scared of AI, and I I I love it. I use it all the time. It's a mixed bag as far as

4:20:52Speaker 46

I'm concerned.

4:20:53 – 4:21:28Speaker 34

But what I think the the reason that this data center should be tabled for now, postponed, is that I think this plan is flawed in a couple of of critical ways. I think that the power source that they cite as their committed power source is two coal fired power plants. And I think it's just ridiculous that the most advanced high-tech center in the whole world is gonna be powered by coal. I think that it's a step backwards. I think that if we wait for this to be approved or the the the Illinois Power Act to be approved, it would change that subject dramatically.

4:21:28 – 4:22:01Speaker 34

And I I think that if we don't wait for the Illinois Power Act to be approved, we may wind up stuck with a design that's been approved and can't be changed easily. If they say all new designs must comply with this and you've already approved this design, they're getting away with murder. And I think that it could be delayed. I don't know how long this Illinois power act is is gonna be be delayed, but I think it it is certainly something that you could wait for. I think that the diesel engine generators on-site are probably real issue for vibration.

4:22:02 – 4:22:33Speaker 34

I think that there could be mitigation processes that could be installed. There's vibration dampers that can be put under generators or vibration sources that would prevent that sort of propagation of the infra ground the infrasound that they're talking about being problematic. But if we don't include those as part of the design now, they're not gonna be there. And I don't think that it's gonna be something that's easily retrofittable into the existing design. You have to put vibration dampers on down before you install these these products.

4:22:33 – 4:22:49Speaker 34

I think that that could be addressed, but really, we haven't had time to study it. As far as I know, this this came to my attention in February, and here it is. We're already voting on it in March. I barely had a chance to look at it. I know that the scope of this thing is immense.

4:22:51 – 4:23:25Speaker 34

At 1.8 gigawatts boggles my mind is how much power that that really is. And I think that if if you look at the the plan, the the overlay, the view of the facility, it strikes me that they don't even show the 600 locomotive sized diesel engine generators. It's just white alabaster things that look like so many angel food cakes on a a dessert tray. How can they hide 600 gensets from us and it make it makes it all look nice? I worry that the devil is in the details of this plan. Right. Right. Wow. Yeah.

4:23:25 – 4:24:05Speaker 34

if you don't hire independent people to thoroughly research all the risks and associate that's associated with this, it could be a big fail for Joliet. As much as it promises, be careful that you're not being sold a bill of goods. Care carefully research that. I'm also worried that this is very close to the Abraham Lincoln Cemetery and the Midewin National Prairie. We had somebody speak at the planning commission that was from the Midewin Prairie, and it said they were delinquent in filing the necessary paperwork. And I think that that's something that's something very important in regard to the watershed. Okay. I'll really let you guys get on to the

4:24:05Speaker 2

next question.

4:24:06 – 4:24:17Speaker 2

Thank you. Can we please have can we please have Mareva Barron, Serena Guzman, Michael Ingram, Cassidy Brown, and Anthony Galba to the middle, please?

4:24:18 – 4:25:00Speaker 91

Good evening. My name is Margaret Corp, and I'm a lifelong resident of Joliet. I'm one of those nerds that like to watch channel six all the time. So even though I'm not here every meeting, I do watch you at every meeting. So thank you for the opportunity to speak tonight. And I request that you vote no for the proposed data center. I believe in a couple of different things in life. The only thing you can give someone is your presence. And I question what the presence of that data center will be in our community. You've heard all the concerns tonight regarding environmental issues, effects on the quality of life for nearby residents, and the strain these centers put on our water supply and electric grid.

4:25:00 – 4:25:23Speaker 91

I share in those concerns. If adding a data center to our city is so great, why aren't other towns lining up to steal the opportunity away from us? I remember the days when everyone clamored for a riverboat gambling license. At least with a boat that outlived its usefulness, it could just sail away. When this facility becomes obsolete, what will happen to all that electronic waste?

4:25:23 – 4:25:52Speaker 91

I've heard many say that this is a done deal, and would anyone waste their time speaking up? Again, I am only one, but I am still one. I cannot do everything, but I can do something. That's what Helen Keller said. I felt particular empathy for the man from Manhattan who spoke up at the last meeting, who said how these issues of solar farms, warehouses, Northpointe, and now the data center were encroaching on quality of life issues and creating negative impacts.

4:25:52 – 4:26:33Speaker 91

From my perspective, he seemed to say that we keep guiding city hall and keep coming up short. Maybe you can consider a no vote today to allow our state legislators to create that new set of methods for oversight for this relatively new industry. I'll close with this. In today's Chicago Tribune, Senator Dick Durbin wrote an op ed on this issue, and I'll read a portion of it. He said, may I suggest an honest analysis of the electricity and water needs of these data centers, in addition to the many quality of life issues, a reliable commitment by the developers that they will provide clean energy sources for their centers.

4:26:33Speaker 91

That's the very least that Illinois ratepayers deserve. I hope you agree. Thank you.

4:26:48 – 4:27:30Speaker 38

My name is Griselda Rodriguez. I am a long time well, I've lived in Joliet all my life. I voted for many of you, and I would like to plead with you. Please table this. This is too short. The let's pretend this is a great idea. If it was, then you would have presented this to us from the get go. That is why we don't trust this plan. I don't want to be here. This is the last thing I wanna be doing.

4:27:30 – 4:28:09Speaker 38

But I have to I have to speak because I want my daughter, I want my nieces, nephews, child in this community to thrive. And I don't see how these data centers with the complaints that we see all the time, problems that they're having, are they stepping up? Are they fixing those problems? Not to my knowledge. So why, if anything goes wrong, will they do that for us?

4:28:09 – 4:29:30Speaker 38

We need to negotiate better. I'm just a mom, but I already know if this is going to impact a radius of just the two miles, pretend, because we know it's not true, then I want the trades to hire a specific number of community members from that radius and they must be trained so they benefit from this so that they have the financial means to take their children to the doctor, to pay the property taxes that will go up. I am not highly educated, but I do okay and I do know that if my neighbor buys a house for $300,000 and I only bought it for $140,000 my property taxes are going to go up. It is unrealistic if the idea is that their property values are going to go up, that they're going to be able to stay in these communities unless you get the trades and and all of these companies that are going to benefit to give to that specific community. Plainfield is very far.

4:29:31 – 4:29:56Speaker 38

Bolingbrook is very far. It has to be the people within that radius that benefit first. Contracts need to be given to the businesses within that radius as well. Everyone should share in the opportunity if it's an opportunity. So please table it at a minimum.

4:30:00 – 4:30:40Speaker 38

The capacity for them to do guarantees us nothing if it's not in writing. Let them maybe put up a medical fund for the illnesses that will come because they come. Public health must outweigh the money because money can be printed, but we cannot bring lives back. I don't want to be here. This is not what I should be doing.

4:30:40 – 4:30:54Speaker 38

This is why we elected you. So just give us more time, please. If it's a great idea, we will come around. We're not stupid. So please give us the respect

4:30:54Speaker 33

that you want from us. Because if it's

4:30:57Speaker 38

a great idea, we will give you a yes, but it's not yes now. Thank you.

4:31:09Speaker 81

Hello, I'm Michael Ingram. I am not from this area, but I need to know this data center is the definition of the world's worst idea. Because think about

4:31:19 – 4:31:45Speaker 81

Because think about it. You have all this pollution, sound, the claim to go up to two miles. We all know that's a lie. Shoot. And I'm but they mentioned pollution. Alright. I did. Air, water, need I say more? Because I'm not so sure about you, but we need all of that to live. Do we not? Yeah. Alright. Because they won't say anything because they're all far off the water. They're they're all corporation. They know it's

4:31:46 – 4:32:17Speaker 81

Please address the council. I am addressing the council by making letting you know that these guys will app are snakes. They will lit they'll give you this this propaganda lie of, oh, this is gonna bring more jobs. This is gonna be an impact to community. It's not. It's all a lie. In fact, I've seen what happened to a town that fell for the exact same trick. This town called Elk Grove Village in DuPage. I am from DuPage, by the way. Me and my friend went up there to find rumors of an AI town.

4:32:17 – 4:32:54Speaker 81

Turns out half each district being ripped out one by one by these data centers. In fact, just in 2024, a neighborhood got ripped up by by a company from Texas, the same place these corporate ghouls are from. And and they they they force essentially, force these people out of their homes to build a data center. Do you want I'm also sure Joliet wants to be next. I get you want money. I get you need tax breaks. I get you need that stuff. But can you think of, like, 10,000 other things you can do with that? You can build a hospital. You can build affordable housing.

4:32:54 – 4:33:23Speaker 81

Shopping. Yes. A school. Anything besides a factory that's known for AI slop and for so called educators who think that AI would bring education opportunities, it's not. It's slop. It will literally ruin the quality of your education. That's all it is. All a gigantic lie. So please, I won't even say table it. Just tell them, go back to whatever hole you crawled out of.

4:33:24 – 4:33:52Speaker 81

Yep. And just say, leave this town and never come back. Because you are snakes, and you will destroy this town before you ever bring some sort of relief to it. And then we we have like 10 different ideas from your own community people saying, we can how we can bring all the tax benefits in. We can raise revenue without having to subject it to pollution, anything else that can go wrong.

4:33:52 – 4:34:16Speaker 81

Oh, yeah. Traffic accidents from traffic accidents from construction. Just please think this through, and I hope that you vote no and just scrap it completely. Because things like these have no place, not just in Joliet, but all across Chicagoland. If it were up to me, I would just say, I would just rip them all out and throw them

4:34:16Speaker 86

to, like, Indiana or something.

4:34:20Speaker 81

There's there's like, I have no problem with economic development, but there are certain things, lines that just must not

4:34:26Speaker 92

be crossed. They mention, like,

4:34:28 – 4:34:57Speaker 81

oh, there's resources here. I'm like, good. Maybe you should leave here. Don't come back and go go to Indiana and Texas, and go go leech off their people. But this we ain't Indiana, and we ain't Texas. So do yourself a favor, all your corporate ghouls and goblins crawling down some rat hole. Leave Joliet. Leave Will County. Leave Chicago land, and do not ever come back. Thank you.

4:35:04Speaker 93

Go ahead, please. City council mayor Darcy. Hello.

4:35:07 – 4:35:30Speaker 48

My name is Serena. I'm a lifelong resident of Joliet with respect to the four years I spent earning a degree at the University of Iowa. My parents are lifelong residents of Joliet with this respect to the time they spent studying at their respective universities. My grandparents on both maternal and paternal sides have spent a majority of their lives in this city, which they settled and raised their families in. I'm here today to discuss the proposed data center.

4:35:30 – 4:35:58Speaker 48

For the record, I'm in complete opposition, and I hope that you all vote no today. But at the very least, what I request from you today is more time with your decision. Table this vote and give the community more time to comprehend what this development will truly mean for their future. I've had the privilege to have in person meetings with a couple of you as well as with other city workers involved in this project to express my concerns. I heard back admittedly that transparency has not been there specifically in regard to our Spanish speaking community members.

4:35:59 – 4:36:24Speaker 48

The city told me verbatim that they had no excuse as to why none of this information about data centers is available in Spanish. It's not lost on me or on my fellow citizens that this vote is taking place at a specialized meeting differing in both day and time from regularly scheduled city council meetings. I believe we have our city manager to thank for that. I'm not here to reiterate the facts and stats my fellow fellow community members have voiced during this meeting after meeting after after meeting. Meeting.

4:36:24 – 4:36:56Speaker 48

You've all sat up there for months listening to these concerns with adequate time and capabilities to do your own research. And I must stress here that as a city representative, you are responsible for your own individual research. Now without aging myself or you find folks in front of me here too much, I am certain each one of us has enough educational background to be able to produce a basic high school level research paper. We all understand what qualifies as integrity based research. We know that credibility does not come from word-of-mouth information or talking points from our colleagues and or staff members.

4:36:56 – 4:37:27Speaker 48

We know that credibility does not absolutely not come from ChatGPT, which has unfortunately been cited as a source during my in person meetings. Your constituents voted you into these exact seats to be their voice, represent their opinions, and their best interests. Unfortunately, we feel logistics around this data center and how it will affect us and our community are not being communicated transparently. This project was tabled for months. Then just twelve days ago, this Texas based company presented to our planning commission of which there was a minimal promotion by the city.

4:37:27 – 4:38:11Speaker 48

I had to hear of it through other concerned citizens. On top of that, Hillwood cannot even produce concrete answers to the questions asked to them by the commission, by the community, or by the people who attended their last minute open house. Yet the vote went almost unanimously through. Just a few days ago, we had weather that knocked out power and in an Internet across the city. I was here at City Hall as lights flickered. Lost my place. As global warming increases unpredictable weather, how will that affect us while also factoring in a massive data center that will rely on massive amounts of energy? I don't have an answer for you, and I'm certain Hillwood won't either. What is the rush? If you truly believe that all of us here are have old information and are misinformed on this, then give us the time and resources to learn.

4:38:11 – 4:38:44Speaker 48

Host and adequately promote community seminars. Hell, invite Hillwood back and let us question them before they set up camp in our yard. We are here demanding transparency. There are a lot of people here today. You may or may not forget what I said in the next five public comments. You may forget as soon as as soon as I walk away from this podium. But we, the people, will not forget how you vote. We won't forget when resource begin to dwindle. We won't forget we won't forget when we're out in the community spending our hard earned dollars and we come across your businesses. And we won't forget come all future elections.

4:38:44 – 4:39:09Speaker 48

I think it's only fair that if you vote to pass this through, you seriously consider taking your families and relocating them into the residential areas near this development site. That is who will feel that is who will feel in fact by the initial impact of this data center, and we all, the rest of us, will follow after that. And if that feels like something you don't wanna do, I suggest you not vote this in. Otherwise, you will have failed your job as public servants, as representatives, and you will

4:39:09Speaker 94

have failed your community. Thank you.

4:39:17 – 4:40:02Speaker 33

02/2028. A Costco is approximately a 147 square feet. You could fit and that's roughly three and a half acres. You could fit 228 Costcos in this 800 acre lot. That's just to give people a tangible idea of the size of this of what 800 acres actually is. Good evening, city city council members and the mayor. My name is Moriahma Barone. I am a CPA, and I'm a white I'm the wife of a union worker and a lifelong resident of Joliet. I'm here today to tell you that we should not approve this data center, and I wanna tell the union members here today that this is not job worth taking. These corporations are hiding behind unions, knowing that a lot of us don't want data centers.

4:40:02 – 4:40:34Speaker 33

And so to avoid the pushback, they're off they're putting union workers in front of them to shield themselves. They know that we don't wanna oppose unions because we do want you to work, but you should get to build something that adds to your community and not takes away from it. Hillwood made a great presentation, and, of course, they're not gonna tell you that they're the wolf in in sheep's clothing. Corporations do nothing wrong ever. Right?

4:40:35 – 4:40:59Speaker 33

They're never and they've never gotten away with it. They've never been able to bankruptcy their way out of liability. They've never been able to just walk away and leave the citizens holding the bag. They've they can get away with contaminating our water and paying a fine. Call it a million dollar fine. They're willing to give us a 100,000,000. It's nothing to them. It's nothing to

4:41:00Speaker 25

Right. Right. Right.

4:41:01 – 4:41:24Speaker 33

Right. Corporations have not put it in writing saying that what recourse we have as citizens. What can we do if everything goes south? What can they offer us to actually address some of our concerns? If our electricity bills go up to $500, what recourse do we have?

4:41:25 – 4:42:06Speaker 33

Are they gonna offer to offset that? Is it just gonna be a long drawn out legal battle? I take I ask you all to take a second and close your eyes and imagine that in five, ten years from now, your son or daughter, your grandson or granddaughter, they go to take a shower and there's no water. It's a drip. I ask you what you're gonna do when you hear about your neighbor who's 80 years old and lives on a fixed income, and she dies in a heat stroke because we get 90 degree heat waves here in Joliet, and some people can't afford $500 electric bills.

4:42:06 – 4:42:58Speaker 33

They they live on a fixed income. And you might say this is hyperbole, and these aren't the things that are gonna happen, but there are places like Flint, Michigan that exist with no access to clean water. There are people that ration their insulin because they cannot afford it. I do not wanna regret not fighting enough to protect our water, our resources, and our most vulnerable populations that are just making it by on fixed income or working tirelessly and still just scraping by who can't afford to see more increases in their bills. For those that wanna vote yes, I want you to take this moment to fully acknowledge that when things go south in ten years, you can't say, I didn't know because we are telling you today.

4:42:59 – 4:43:15Speaker 33

And in case anyone forgot, we need food, water, and shelter to survive. We do not need AI. Hell, we don't even need the Internet. Some of us have existed before it. Thank you for your time and consideration.

4:43:25 – 4:44:06Speaker 56

Hello. My name is Cassidy. I was born at the old Silver Cross here that a lot of us were probably born in. And I voted for some of you, and it looks like most of you aren't getting it again in the morning. I have so much to say, but most of it has already been said by my community behind me, this side. You people are elected to represent us. You people know that the majority of us do not support this, that every single one of us and the generations after us will be affected. But as somebody who came from a family of union workers, I wanna focus on them. I am quite frankly tired of people trying to make it seem like anybody who's against this project is anti union. That narrative is bought and paid for.

4:44:06 – 4:44:43Speaker 56

I fully support unions. I fully support the right of workers, and I still do not support this project. I think a lot of people don't fully appreciate the history of unions. The history that we know is we used to have no rights as workers. There hasn't always been forty hour work weeks. There hasn't always been guaranteed overtime requirements, PTO, minimum wages, vacation time, leave of absence rights. We had to fight for that. Our ancestors did fight for that, and they died for that. Because when people were finally fed up with their working conditions, they went on strike. They risked their jobs and their livelihoods to get basic rights from business owners that were only able to sit on their ass and collect money because we did the work for

4:44:45 – 4:45:19Speaker 56

here's the part our government and our schools try to get us to forget. They when the workers went on strike, corporations hired the government, corporations hired the police to forcefully stop the strike and drag them back to work. They pointed guns at their own workers and their own citizens and threatened them with the promise of death before giving them rights, and people did die. Union workers died to get the rights that we have. The government killed its people for corporate wishes.

4:45:19Speaker 95

And the government shut down

4:45:22 – 4:45:57Speaker 56

Mhmm. But the workers stood their ground. The workers fought back, some with their lives, and that's why we have the rights that we have today. Because the ever present promise of violence from our government can only withstand because we do not fight back. When they realized that they couldn't fight their entire labor force no. I'm sorry. When they realized they couldn't kill off their entire labor force, they stopped. They stepped back, and they gave us what we asked for. Every bit of this is true, and I encourage especially the union members behind me to look into the history behind it. Look into the history of how the police and the government have never served us the people and have always served the rich.

4:45:58 – 4:46:40Speaker 56

There is a reason that your first instinct is to roll your eyes and ignore those of us who talk about it, and it's because you have been taught to. So sit so with that in mind, I would like to say with my full chest that every union worker here that wants to get paid to build this is not only consistent in the act of ruining our health and environment, you will inherently and irrevocably be forever linked with the damaged earth, water, and air, and the dying children that come from this. The government and the rich can only do this because we allow it. Government The and the rich can only do this because we build their death camps with our hands, hence all of the buildings being built for the immigrants right now. The moment we take these building blocks and start using them for our needs, it will change forever.

4:46:40 – 4:47:18Speaker 56

You won't need to build their grotesque money pits anymore. You won't need to have you won't have to take a job that barely promises a few years worth of work that serves nobody except your pockets temporarily and their pockets endlessly. The reason you're here fighting this war for them is because they have convinced you that it's the only way. When our grandchildren look back and ask us how we let this happen, when they ask us how we let our land get destroyed, we will say that they starved us. They made making a livable wage so hard that we built the very thing that destroyed us and justified it through temporary job revenue. Or we can stop this now. We can ask ourselves if they don't stop it, how can we? Not through city council meetings. I'm over this. Not through asking.

4:47:18 – 4:47:33Speaker 56

Not even ensuring that these people won't get elected anymore. Won't see any more years of reelection. Tomorrow is voting day, which is why they're doing it tonight. But the real tangible action that can bring these buildings down, bring these people down. Look at the panic that losing one CEO did to all

4:47:33Speaker 86

these companies. Wrap it up.

4:47:34Speaker 56

The company hired started hiring security. Imagine what we could do as a city of thousands, as a state of millions to protect these lands from

4:47:41Speaker 1

these other people waiting to speak.

4:47:43Speaker 56

No justice, no peace,

4:47:44Speaker 56

is a justice so you shouldn't have any peace.

4:47:50 – 4:48:02Speaker 2

Can we please have Jerry Harvey, Crystal Jasso, Randy Pratt, Dale Lewis, Marjorie McNichols, Mary Simeon, David Simeon, and Alicia Martinez to the center?

4:48:03Speaker 63

Could not hear you all

4:48:04Speaker 92

from clapping. We need to wait for

4:48:05Speaker 20

the clapping to be done.

4:48:06 – 4:48:21Speaker 2

I'm gonna continue to call the names. If the clapping could wait so we could continue to call the names. Jerry Harvey, Crystal Jasso, Randy Pratt, Dale Lewis, Marjorie McNichols, Mary Simeon, David David Simeon, and Alicia Martinez. My

4:48:25Speaker 27

name is Anthony Galva. Lot of

4:48:26 – 4:48:58Speaker 96

you remember me from last time, I'm sure. Obviously, you haven't been transparent about what's been going on, about any of the information that you have that none of us have had. And we all know that this has already been a yes from most of you probably except Susanna. Two months ago and probably even before that, obviously, you guys have had conversations with, with these guys. I mean, from what, years two ago, you know, to today.

4:48:59 – 4:49:30Speaker 96

And these conversations have all culminated in whatever bribery you've taken from these individuals. And it's sad and pathetic to watch somebody that I voted to represent me, kneel so quickly to, people like this. Also, you don't deserve to be, commended for listening to your constituents. When I was watching the live, I saw a lot of people come in and commend you for sitting here and listening to all of us. It's your job.

4:49:30 – 4:49:54Speaker 96

You don't get commendments for doing that. It's just what you have to be doing. It's the position that you've taken. And you don't deserve to be commended for listening to us when we tell you that, you know, this is a mistake and that you've decided on creating a hellish environment for the people living in your area. We all came here on the March 5 right from our jobs.

4:49:54 – 4:50:32Speaker 96

I mean, I'm still in my work uniform. And we stayed for hours and hours regardless of the fact that, you know, that was basically a formality as is tonight for most of you. This is your job and then, I mean, maybe other than Susanna, you've turned around and active tell who you represent that through eminent domain, you'd be willing to take their homes from them, which is a I mean, that's devilish in in a lot of ways. And then I don't have a lot to say. My girlfriend had an incredible speech.

4:50:33 – 4:50:50Speaker 96

All I can really say is you are spineless and easily bought, and it's pathetic to watch you fail so spectacularly at your job. And I'll be voting you out regardless of your vote tomorrow.

4:50:59 – 4:51:11Speaker 97

Alright. So how y'all doing? Jerry Herbie, lifelong resident. How are you doing, mayor, counsel? So regardless of what the other young lady said, I am not the criminal in the turtleneck, just so y'all know, because I heard that comment.

4:51:14Speaker 97

So I'm looking at the time and everything. So it's a way for everybody to reach a happy medium. If you wanna hear it, that's fine.

4:51:21Speaker 14

So the union guys can get

4:51:22 – 4:52:07Speaker 97

what they want. The community can get what they want. The Illinois Powers Act is set to go into place. The safeguards that the community is concerned about goes into law January 1. I mean, June 1 this year. There's no need to rush this. If what they're concerned about has already been signed off on, why not wait until June? That way, the union gets what they want, and the community gets what they want, and everybody can reach a happy meeting. So in this safeguard, what I notice is they're not allowed to put diesel generators on the facility. This is why they're trying to rush it along. Because if you rush it along now, they're not bound by the agreement of what's gonna take place on June 1. Is that safe to say?

4:52:10 – 4:52:25Speaker 97

what's the point in rushing it? The the governor signed off on it. The Illinois legislature made it a law. Wait until after June 1. That way, get a better agreement. The citizens get what they want, and the union get what they want.

4:52:26Speaker 55

And everybody needs to do it.

4:52:27Speaker 97

That's all I got for you. I hope that's what you can do.

4:52:40 – 4:53:03Speaker 65

ahead. Hello. Good evening. My name is Crystal, and I'm a resident here in Joliet, and I have been for twenty nine years. I'd like to preface this by saying I fully support union labor and understand this project would create strong opportunities during the construction period but we also have to recognize that these jobs are temporary by design.

4:53:06 – 4:53:50Speaker 65

While the land use and infrastructure impacts are permanent, union workers want two to four years while families and homeowners are directly affected by for decades to come. There will always be work for you. We are talking about our families and our resources. One of you said this property was flat, so it's so you sorry. Sorry. This property is flat, so not as much development is needed. Quote unquote. Do you know why this land is flat? This land is flat because it is farmland. Fun fact, Midwest Prairie ecosystems are actually one of the most endangered in North America.

4:53:50 – 4:54:21Speaker 65

So and it's so sad to see that not one person said anything about this today. It's only about 1% of the original tall grass prairie remaining in across Illinois, Iowa, and Wisconsin. At least if this was farmland, we could turn it around, but data centers are permanent. So what you're telling us is you'd like to permanently convert 600 football fields of farmland. 600 football fields is 795 acres.

4:54:22 – 4:54:43Speaker 65

Yeah. Just to put it into another tangible example there. But why did you choose Will County? Why did you choose Will County out of all the other places? Perhaps because Will County farmland is relatively cheap, which allows companies like Powerhouse to build huge campuses.

4:54:45Speaker 2

While we profit what? They gave you

4:54:47 – 4:54:59Speaker 65

guys a number and you guys went with it? Ask for more. Ask for more. They clearly they they want it so bad, and we don't see other places fighting for this.

4:55:07 – 4:55:41Speaker 65

As a resident, I have seen the impact that these warehouses and all of the concrete jungle clearly everything that's happening on route by the racetrack, everything that I see, it it is complete I'm shaking right now. I've seen how bad it has gotten. You can't see across anything anymore. There's yes. There's multiple multiple warehouses that have just been built with no residency, no tenants.

4:55:42 – 4:56:10Speaker 65

Ready for a tenant or, like, available for tenant. All over the place. Northpointe, all of these places. And I would like to add, what is going to happen when you guys need more energy after that? You guys are are you need more land. Correct? Exactly how much land you need for solar, windmills. You you're you're saying these as if it's appealing to us, but no. It's more farmland. It's literally more of our farmland.

4:56:10 – 4:56:31Speaker 65

And I'm going to stop speaking now because I really need to get home. And I'm sure everybody else here wants to go home, but this is very important to us. So please reconsider or put it continue it or just vote no, please. And thank you.

4:56:40 – 4:57:31Speaker 98

Hi everyone, my name Like is many of you, somehow I made it here after a full day of work so I want to thank everybody who came here to not only share their voice but to show their support for this moment. I wanted to say that I only found out about this meeting because a coworker told me of this meeting a few hours before it was set to occur. So I quickly drafted this impromptu speech together. A week prior to this, I was actually told by a friend of mine that they worked on the drilling of this land for this project which was really shocking because of not only how fast this project was moving forward but also that a decision had not yet been reached for this facility and yet land was being broken, Solar panels were being put up on farmland. It was really shocking how fast this this occurs.

4:57:31 – 4:57:53Speaker 98

So I wanted to ask a couple questions, namely, first and foremost, if a decision was already made, then what worth do our voices have? If this is needed, is this needed or is this wanted? If so, either way, what for? Other than tax revenue, what benefit does it produce for the community? The benefit stated for the community has been solely explained as financial.

4:57:53 – 4:58:38Speaker 98

Almost anyone who has spoken for this facility has had some direct financial gain or employment opportunity. One of the benefits proposed is the creation jobs, supposedly a 100 full time jobs. But about what cost what about the cost of the the jobs that this facility will take from all the people that AI will take from people in this community, outside of this community, in this country, not in this country? How many thousands, maybe tens of thousands, maybe millions of people will lose jobs because of this? It's also been stated that the folks proposing this center believe that they can run under 65 decibels at the property line.

4:58:38 – 4:58:55Speaker 98

But what happens when they exceed that? A simple fine will be trivial for them to waive versus the money that they make running the facility. The same goes for the luminescence. What if the exceeds the proposed usage? Who foots that bill? If coal plants are being used to power this facility, what environmental cost does this place?

4:58:56 – 4:59:39Speaker 98

What about forever chemicals and gas emitted by the facility? You mentioned that the water usage is is significantly less than what was planned for the land prior. What about environmental contamination? Anti corrosives use, volatile compounds, gases emitted, a 150,000 gallons was proposed for the water supply and it had been stated by one of the reps that the supply would be nine about 99% water. We don't know if that's a 100% accurate, by the way. What about the 1% or rather the 1,500 gallons? What is that comprised of? It was mentioned for safe water disposal other than this fine for dumping water in the domestic line. What what what happens? Who enforces this facility?

4:59:39 – 4:59:56Speaker 98

Who imposes penalties on this facility? Will they follow through on those penalties and that enforcement? It was mentioned the facility if the facility was in violation of with Joliet agreement, it could shut off the water supply. But they also mentioned it's a closed loop system. So how could that affect them in any meaningful way?

4:59:57 – 5:00:35Speaker 98

Have you reached out to other communities where data centers have been built to understand the negative impact? And I'm not talking about the the the council board members, but the actual members of the community of it itself. Who plans to oversee and enforce this facility to be compliant, and how and how will they hold the center and the people running it responsible? On top of this, we look at the illiteracy rates in this country and how AI has been pushing this into further and further. One in five are considered illiterate in this country, and that will own number will only grow if they use AI to do work and education for them.

5:00:35 – 5:00:47Speaker 98

Residents living in nearby Will have property values will drop, and who will buy out the properties, corporations, or potentially even the data center itself to expand? Each of us only received four minutes to share our thoughts, but the council has apparently had two two years.

5:00:57 – 5:01:10Speaker 100

Thank you, mister mayor, council members. My name is Dale Lewis. I'm a lifelong resident of Will County. My family was raised here. My kids were born in Silver Cross, and I stand before you tonight in full support of this development.

5:01:11 – 5:02:00Speaker 100

I serve as a construction executive where my focus is on the development and delivery of large scale data center developments. I'm also a board member and of the Chicago chapter of AFCOM, which is a professional association for data center and IT infrastructure professionals. Prior to my current role, I was director of construction for Microsoft on the Phase 1 campus in Milwaukee. And I was overseeing the delivery of mission critical infrastructure and technology that supports AI and special projects. Because of that experience, I've had the opportunity to see firsthand how communities across the country are investing in digital infrastructure and how it supports positive economic development in these communities.

5:02:01 – 5:02:46Speaker 100

The Joliet Technology Center represents exactly that kind of investment. Projects of this scale require significant planning, coordination with utilities, and thoughtful design to ensure they are operated reliably for years. Developments like JTC help position communities like Joliet to attract technology investment while strengthening the local economy. In addition to economic benefits created during construction, projects like the JTC generate substantial long term tax revenue that supports our school systems, our infrastructure improvements, and our public service offerings. From an industry perspective, the JTC reflects the kind of thoughtful planning and investment that helps communities prepare for the future.

5:02:48 – 5:03:05Speaker 100

As a lifelong resident, I'm proud to support this project, and I hope you will approve it. I'm available resource of factual information on how responsible modern data center development will impact the community. Please feel free to reach out if you need any further information. Thank you.

5:03:11 – 5:03:50Speaker 51

Good evening. My name is Alicia Martinez. I'm a graduate from the University of Illinois Urbana Champaign. While I was there, I studied international food science and policy. And I was part of the International Agriculture Association. So I'm a graduate of the College of ACES, which is the College of Agriculture and Consumer and Environmental Sciences. Now, Mayor Darcy, you and your team have the unique opportunity to be a leader. A leader, not a follower. Why do I say that? Because as most people here know that are against the data centers, the country is taking up farmland.

5:03:51 – 5:04:25Speaker 51

Farmland that could be used to re envision communities, to bring back healthy economics. Economic is not just about financial monetary gains. It's also about environmental natural resources that no money can ever replace. Why are we asking union workers to build our demise, the demise, the pathway to our demise? When when we people talk about digital IDs, these this is not some, like, QAnon, some, you know, some Looney Tunes conspiracy theorists online.

5:04:25 – 5:04:57Speaker 51

These are not misinformed people. The same techno oligarchs that are behind all what you're doing here, you're just middlemen for what is in what they envision for all of us, the world, not just the country, which is a digital ID prison. Do you know Larry Fink? From Larry Fink, okay, he is now the head of the World Economic Forum. And this man openly stated in the Davos twenty twenty six, openly stated that they wanna tokenize and digitalize everything including the air that we breathe because they feel they own it.

5:04:57 – 5:05:42Speaker 51

They own us. They have no respect for humanity. Peter Thiel, Sam Altman, all these even including Elon Musk, they they've openly stated how they want to engineer humans out of society. Again, these are words that you're gonna say, who's this tinfoil woman standing here? They have pushed tech the transhumanist agenda. Agenda. We are standing in the way of their vision for the digital ID prison. How many people have gone to a store and have been rejected? I have here locally, if you don't give them your ID, your cell number or your email. Data is the is more valuable than gold itself and that's saying a lot considering the price of gold.

5:05:42 – 5:06:12Speaker 51

Now, really quickly, NAFTA, they keep promise remember NAFTA? NAFTA, they promised all the jobs. What happened? We have a made in made in China, America. All these data centers are taking up vital farmland. We need to bring farming back for a healthy food system, local food system war and the price of petroleum and oil. We we don't have to suffer from high inflation if we have food made and grown in The USA. The union jobs are promising. Again, a lot of people know this. They're short term.

5:06:12 – 5:06:44Speaker 51

NAFTA came and promised so many things that was just the gateway to send everything to China. We don't manufacture anything anymore. So I ask all these young men who talk about or or not so young to remember NAFTA and all the lies that the corporatist said about NAFTA, it ruined this country. The beauty of The United States is a strong robust middle class. We if you vote yes to this monstrosity that needs to be fed energy like we've never seen and water, our drinking water.

5:06:44 – 5:07:12Speaker 51

Experts have said it could it will pollute that cannot be filtered out. Why are we signing on to the demise of our society? You you can be a leader, mayor Darcy, and your team to the world to show how you can re envision Joliet to bring in farming sustainable jobs back to this the heart of the heart of The United States is the Midwest. Bring farmers back. We need them. There's many smart people that can help you to bring those sustainable long term jobs back to Joliet.

5:07:23 – 5:07:52Speaker 42

Good evening and thank you all for the chance to speak. I have three concerns. I have three questions. Will I be permitted to get answers to the questions? No answers? No answers? Okay. I'll I'll give the questions as as comments. Thank you. I please request you very respectfully, very, very respectfully, to table approval of the data center until Illinois enacts the POWERS Act.

5:07:52 – 5:08:29Speaker 42

Or you could write your own model ordinance for data centers. I'm concerned I don't know that 1.8 gigawatts actually really fits in light industrial. And I feel like our zoning code showed its age. I feel like we still need a zoning code for data centers, specifically for data centers, because this is not likely to be the first or only data center. So going forward, I'm going to ask, and there are some very, very bright people, bright, willing, capable people in this room.

5:08:29 – 5:08:57Speaker 42

I'm going to ask you to take your energies and really truly help Joliet do the best possible job of, if we must welcome data centers, we need regulations. These protect you. There are many variables, and I understand we will have water in 2030, but the project will go into construction, I believe, almost immediately. And that means that we'll be drawing down the aquifer. This is an area that has been massively under addressed.

5:08:57 – 5:09:20Speaker 42

People have worried about 2030. I really want to worry about the impact on the wells in Elwood and the farmers that live up and down the road. Those people may be forced to sell. And that that would be incredibly tragic. I think I'm at that point of asking about NDAs.

5:09:20 – 5:09:55Speaker 42

So this is one of my questions. And I'll I'll find answers because I will continue to, you know, ask people, councilman, my my my representative, miss Raiden. I am concerned about NDAs in this project. I do not want to think that NDAs are baked into this so that citizens so please, please, please let me speak. So that no citizen can find out what the actual water use is, what the actual power use is, what the actual emissions are as we go forward at every stage through construction and into operation.

5:09:55 – 5:10:36Speaker 42

I know that the builder will have tenants. I believe that no NDA should be allowed with the tenants either because the tenants will control the operations of the data centers. Okay. Oh, gotta loop back to the water thing. They're building buildings that will probably use a lot of concrete. Concrete uses a lot of water. A lot of water. I do have a union background, by the way. A lot of water. And it'll be a lot of it'll be done at the point at which the aquifer is very, very compromised. As far as we know, if anybody wants to get a brand new survey and if the aquifer wants to say, oh, no. No. No. Go right ahead. No problem.

5:10:36 – 5:11:08Speaker 42

We got you covered till twenty forty. You know, that concern can be laid to rest. But I don't think so. Alright. Let's see here. Oh, what sewer treatment facility is this gonna be sent to? You know, underneath the extension of Millsdale Road, a sewer line is is to be built. And I would like to know I'll find out whether it's gonna go to the facility that Joliet just had to rescue to the tune of $15,000,000, or is it gonna go over to the one on the West Side? I'm not sure. Please also, final commitment.

5:11:11 – 5:11:28Speaker 42

Providence Ridge Cemetery is on the South Side of Millsdale Road. It's immediately adjacent to where the building will be. I'm asking all in the room, anyone from the developers who hear me to please respect respect our prairie forebears. And I think that that's it. Thanks.

5:11:31 – 5:11:50Speaker 2

Can I please have Tom Tom Havert or Tom Havert? Okay. Jeff Becker, Luis Jaime, Felix Ortiz, Aaron Olson, Julie Rivera, Nancy Rivera and Ignacio Rivera. Come to the middle, please.

5:11:55 – 5:12:25Speaker 21

Okay. Go ahead. Hello, esteemed members of the council and mister mayor. I'm here to voice my support for the data center. It's what I would say if I got a phone call from one of these guys telling me to show up in a fancy suit and they'd hand me a couple of greenbacks in return. But the truth is, my name is not Kip Klein. I'm not on the board of director or the board chair for the Jolly Chamber of Commerce. My name is David Simeone. And believe it or not, I'm a student of Lewis University. I can guarantee you, we are not a trade school, contrary to what he said.

5:12:25 – 5:13:08Speaker 21

But that's besides the point. I mean, let's be honest. We're all tired here and so I just think that Yeah. What is the point of sitting there looking all pretty if this is already a done deal? Okay. This is all built on, I think, a lot of hype. I mean, this is what's been being chanted about the AI industry for a long time now. And frankly, I'm sick of it. I'm sick of my computer components skyrocketing prices through the roof. I'm I'm sick of having every website that I try and visit pop up in an AI chat bar or be articles written by AI.

5:13:08 – 5:13:25Speaker 21

And even if that's not what the data center is being used for, it's still being pushed through fast, I think. I mean, seriously, you know, that the the Illinois Power Act is only a few months away. Why can't this wait until June? Okay? What is the rush to get this in?

5:13:25 – 5:14:04Speaker 21

And also, what's up with the 13 odd 100 pages of redacted documents from the Freedom of Information request? Why can't there be more transparency? It's really not much to ask for because correct me if I'm wrong, please do. But to my understanding, we're gonna be basically guinea pigs here as Powerhouse has not established any other data centers that have a 1.8 GW capacity at this time. They have one planned down in Texas, but currently it's not at the 1.8 GW capacity.

5:14:04 – 5:14:49Speaker 21

So why does Joliet have to be the testing ground? Wouldn't wish this upon any town or because it it good floor knows that it brings around plenty of issues. Why can't they move this out to the middle of nowhere? I mean, certainly, if they have the money to build it, they have the money to run fiber lines a bit longer to reach it. And so what I'm asking tonight is the same thing that everyone else has been chanting. Pause the pump the brakes on the hype train. Table this until the Power Act get through. Because if if everything that the developers are doing is within the Power Act regulations, then there should be no problem pausing this. Right? But why is there such a rush to get it through?

5:14:49 – 5:15:32Speaker 21

So they can avoid the regulations? I mean, someone earlier tonight said that we are there's just so much speculation money going into this, which I cannot just fathom to believe. Have any of you been inside of a data center? Probably not. I have because I am a cyber I'm about to graduate from Lewis with a degree in cybersecurity and IT. And let me tell you, inside of a data center is pretty inhospitable. People have talked about the noise, but what they don't talk about is the noise you cannot hear. The infrasound below 20 hertz frequency. That stuff doesn't just travel for a couple miles like regular sound. It travels much, much further and goes through sound barriers as if they don't even exist.

5:15:32 – 5:16:03Speaker 21

So I think that we still have a lot of studies that need to be done about the long term impacts. Will all of you be remembered for approving this in the future, or will we be remembered for warning you about all the ecological impacts that it will bring? So please, please, as a lifelong resident, I'm asking you to table this until we can get more transparency and data and the power act.

5:16:12 – 5:16:51Speaker 95

Go ahead. My name is Mary Simione. I'm also a lifelong resident of Joliet. I'm gonna talk about something that no one has touched on tonight, and I think it's important. The cloud is a battlefield, and we targets are being put on our back. Just fifteen days ago on 03/01/2026, Iranian drones hit three Amazon data centers in The A in The UAE and Bahrain. These were not military bases or weapon depots, but buildings full of servers, the kind that process bank transitions. They run ride hailing apps. They store hospital records. Karim went down.

5:16:51 – 5:17:14Speaker 95

Financial systems across The Gulf went dark. AWS told its cuss customers to migrate their data to other regions immediately because the situation was, in their word, unpredictable. We are at war right now with Iran. Our government is shut down. We are foolish if we think that these data centers are only for AI chats.

5:17:14 – 5:17:55Speaker 95

Here's what what people are missing. Those buildings weren't running civilian all civilian applications. They were running the Pentagon's AI two on the same servers, in the same physical facilities, and nobody has been told. Not the government's hosting not who the government's hosting those buildings, not the customers whose data lives inside of them, not the communities surrounding them. This wasn't a bug in a system. It was a feature. And we are only now beginning to understand what that means. So let's talk about it. Let's do the math. When most people hear data center, they picture the infrastructure behind the apps that they use every day, ChatGBT, Google, Netflix, those things that live in data centers.

5:17:55 – 5:18:31Speaker 95

But a single ChatGBT query uses about 0.3 watt hours of energy. Even with 700,000,000 weekly users, consumer AI is a rounding error on the power grid. So why is Amazon building a campus in Indiana that will consume 2.2 gigawatts of electricity through roughly the equivalent of half of the homes in the entire state? Why is MetaPlanning a facility in Louisiana drawing five gigawatts, roughly half the electricity consumed by New York City? Why is OpenAI's Stargate facility in Albion, Texas already running at 200 megawatts and scaling towards 1.2 gigawatts?

5:18:31 – 5:19:08Speaker 95

Nobody running consumer application needs that much compute. These are training and interference clusters built for Frontier AI at a scale that only makes sense when you understand who the actual customer is, which, by the way, we don't. So I'd like to know, miss city manager and mister mayor that excused himself, when was the nondisclosure agreement signed? Because we know there was one, and we know that someone, not enough people, requested FOIA requests. And the one that was received showed that the army engineer the Army Corps of Engineers was not brought in to properly survey the watershed.

5:19:08 – 5:19:43Speaker 95

We already know that's illegal. Why are we not pausing to do that? We know why. Because it'll stop their plans as they are right now in this plan. Why was the meeting that you guys know we can't vote or we can't have a meeting on election day? So at the last minute, typical of city council, the meeting gets crammed from yesterday into today. And now we're here for, you know, till 10:00 again. We've spent six hours here for the Planning Commission, and it got voted through except for one person. We're tired. We want to be represented by people that we can trust.

5:19:43 – 5:20:20Speaker 95

We want you know, there I don't find the timing, you know, funny though because right now, House Bill twenty seven eighty nine is going through the house, which is really bad news for Illinois because it's a tax freeze for developers. The bill will freeze property assessments for mega projects, which for twenty years, by the way, and data centers fall into that category. So these guys are gonna get a twenty year tax assessment freeze, and our taxes are gonna go up. Our utilities are gonna go up. You're going to drain our aqua for you. Going to poison the air. Say no. Table this and get more information.

5:20:28 – 5:20:39Speaker 92

I got a quick question for you. Mayor Darcy is not here. Are we waiting for him to come back? I feel like this is kinda like missing the face off of the coin. You know? Or is it are we just expected for him to not

5:20:41Speaker 5

Yeah. I mean, like, I

5:20:42Speaker 92

I I get it. We all gotta pee sometimes, but, like, should we wait for him? I feel like that's a pretty important thing to be doing. Right? Go

5:20:48Speaker 2

ahead with your comments.

5:20:49 – 5:21:21Speaker 92

Okay. If you could restart the timer. You just told me. Go ahead. Anyways, so I've been a life long Joliet resident, and I just bought a house in Joliet last year. Very proud of it. Imagine my surprise when I show up to this new house, maybe five, ten minutes away from the proposed data center, to find out that they've been planning a data center since before I bought the house, but only now publicly disclosed it. That pisses me off. That's that's pretty bad. Now I'm not here to shill for a school that's gonna be involved in this or promote a union.

5:21:21 – 5:22:04Speaker 92

Okay? I'm here speaking about your citizens, your constituents, the people you're supposed to serve. Okay? I'm gonna tell you a personal experience about my first encounter with the city's ability to handle their infrastructure. It took four months for the water department to even tell me whether we had shut off valves on our street so that we could get water maintenance done to the house that we just bought. We had to go through the winter with the possibility of having frozen pipes because they couldn't tell us whether there was a bee box under the ground. They couldn't look at their own plans. And we're supposed to trust them to manage their own infrastructure to the point where Hillwood is not gonna gonna screw with it at all. That's abysmal. Moving past that, it was described that this is like a dishwasher running in the background.

5:22:04 – 5:22:34Speaker 92

Right? Except dishwashers don't run twenty four seven. I don't know how many dishes you guys make. I don't make that many. Right? So what I want to explain it as, you ever hear like a recycler fan running in a room or just, you know, you sit in the bathroom and you got that HVAC pan sitting ahead of you? That's what it sounds like outside of some of these data centers. There are ample videos on YouTube that show you exactly what that sounds like and it's terrible. Even at nighttime, you cannot hear the breeze and the wind. All you hear is the data center buzzing and that's at the low decibel count.

5:22:35 – 5:23:01Speaker 92

So it's it's absolutely ridiculous. Not to mention the fact that the data center they're building, the demand for these data centers as touched on earlier by a wonderfully informed gentleman, 20%. 20% of all the data center infrastructure for cloud computing is currently being utilized. 80% is still up for grabs by new tenants. That's a problem if we're working off of tax proposals and tax benefits for the community.

5:23:01 – 5:23:44Speaker 92

If tenants there, there's no taxes to be collected. Okay? So all of this to say, union jobs can still exist elsewhere. I'm friends with a ton of union buddies and we always laugh at the fact that at these meetings, you always see the union workers themselves coming out in support of the community. The union execs show up for their own interests. Okay? So setting all of that aside, this is gonna impact the revitalization of Joliet. And that's one of the main reasons I decided to take the leap and buy the house in an area that's still improving. This data center gonna screw all of that progress we've made up. Not to mention the fact that this is just going to set our infrastructure on a downhill road, trying to catch back up to where we were before 2030.

5:23:44 – 5:24:25Speaker 92

I don't support it at all. While I've got a little bit of extra time, I should probably touch on this is entirely speculative, but as an American who fundamentally values his constitutional rights, I think it should be touched on. Right now, OpenAI is collaborating with Pentagon to set up mass surveillance and on demand drones to commit strikes with the intent to kill. Now, they keep on coming out and changing their story on it. We do wanna do it. We don't wanna do it. We're gonna put in some safeguards. As long as the Pentagon is considering that, I can't even fathom that you guys are sitting here morally considering this. Let alone the fact that you're gonna ignore 80% of your constituents who have voted outside of this. As we saw in the last meeting, I I think the representation here has been abysmal.

5:24:25 – 5:24:46Speaker 92

Not to talk about the fact that all the information has been English only, not to talk about the fact that you've been setting this up conveniently out of time frames that work for everybody. Vote for your constituents. Put it on the table or say no. That's what all of us want. We're here until 10:30 just to advocate for this. What more do you wanna see? Thank you for speaking up for us.

5:24:56 – 5:25:16Speaker 10

Thank you, mayor, council. I'm here very confused. I haven't been involved in any other meetings. This is my first. I've read a lot in the Herald News, but I don't know how much of it I can believe.

5:25:16 – 5:25:51Speaker 10

I've heard a lot of statements here, a lot of contradictions, and whatnot. But I've heard a lot of people say, I've here been here in Joliet all my life. I'm proud to say, I've never lived in Joliet. I came this close to it when I was six weeks away from marriage, rented apartment on the East Side that I think was outside the city limits at that time anyway on Rowe Avenue. But I went home, went through the newspaper again, and found an ad with a 423 telephone exchange.

5:25:51 – 5:26:23Speaker 10

I thought, That's Elwood. I was born and raised in Elwood. I've spent my entire life in Route 1 Elwood other than the year I spent in Duluth Prince Duluth, Minnesota prison camp for something I didn't do. I failed to file my income tax. However, the prosecution was nothing but a den of thieves, and the judge was corrupt.

5:26:24 – 5:26:50Speaker 10

And I spent a year in prison for something that the law doesn't pertain to me. The scriptures say in Romans, for the law exists, but it only pertains to those who are under the law. If you came out and sued me for using too much of my water, I'd ask you for your authority to do it. I'm an unincorporated Will County. You got no ties to me.

5:26:50 – 5:27:18Speaker 10

I can use all the water I want. Matter of fact, the well water, I can pull a cap off my well pipe and reach down with a pole and pull out a cup of water. It's less than six feet from the surface of the ground, and I live five miles from Stone Quarry on Brandon Road that's full of water. Our aquifers are strange. You suck too much out.

5:27:18 – 5:27:51Speaker 10

You need to spread around. Joliet was selected to be the county seat. For what reason? It's a lot closer to the center than Peotone that was a candidate a hundred and some years ago. But now look at your map. You probably cover more than a 100 townships all the way to Yorkville practically. Why? Oh, man. I wish I had a green back. All I use is credit cards, but I'll draw from the hip.

5:27:53 – 5:28:15Speaker 10

This thing is a piece of garbage. It was my first one. I've had it for four months. I'm too old to teach an old dog new tricks. But the people in front of me, those to my right, to my left, and behind me are the cause for this project.

5:28:16 – 5:29:01Speaker 10

Everybody wants a how old would president Washington be if he didn't die? Boom. Right there is the answer. What we are building is a cloud that they call in the Internet, but it's on the ground. And you know clouds on the ground are foggy, terrible things to have to deal with. But you have been down the road. You've had all these people before me and probably a few more after me render their thoughts and whatnot do what's right. I spent 79 years in it.

5:29:03Speaker 1

Do wrap it up, sir.

5:29:05 – 5:29:16Speaker 10

Yes. I just pray that god would hold you accountable because to whom much is given, much is required. Thank you.

5:29:28 – 5:30:01Speaker 12

Hello. My name is Felix Ortiz, and good evening, counsel. I'm a lifelong Joliet resident, son of a former teamster over twenty years, labor worker, and somebody who's had the privilege of being able to organize thousands of union workers across the state of Illinois. Union workers. I'm here today to talk about the Hillwood development, specifically recycling some of the words I gave our lovely commission last time.

5:30:01 – 5:30:38Speaker 12

Excuse me. If some of it's recycled, know, if Hillwood can reuse that polished turd presentation that they gave the commission, then I'm sure I can repeat my speech. But anyways, we're here for a public hearing on a project that got tabled back in October because not enough adequate information was available for the planning commission to recommend it back then. It's now March. And once again, the lovely clowns from outer space, apologies, Hillwood and Powerhouse, have once again failed to provide the residents of Joliet with transparent answers.

5:30:38 – 5:31:32Speaker 12

And I would hope that they haven't all secretly bought you off with their dirty pack money because we know that that's what moves politicians. But we're sitting on an 800 acre project that's currently over a depleting aquifer that will deplete prior to the completion of this project. Even closed loop systems require massive continuous makeup water to replace the evaporation that happens, and this technology is not new or unique. Just about every major data center that's being built in The United States has been using the same talking point to dupe city councils across the country in order to sell you this lie that they're building this fancy new sustainable system. And if you don't believe me, I'm sure you can ask Chad GPT for that answer to verify.

5:31:33 – 5:32:06Speaker 12

We're effectively handing our water to a private entity during a regional water crisis. Furthermore, the energy demand is staggering. At 1.8 gigawatts and equivalent of 2,000,000 residential homes, you gotta think to yourself, why are we giving this to a company that's gonna spend as much as the people that live in the entire Chicagoland area? Yeah. The 2026 data center power play study warns that we will be unable to meet basic energy demands by 2030 because data centers are projected to devour 72% of Illinois' power growth.

5:32:06 – 5:32:30Speaker 12

We are literally voting to trade the reliability of our own home electricity for a developer's server farms. On top of that, why is Joliet rushing to bypass looming state transparency laws like senate bill twenty one eighty one that would enforce them to be able to ensure that this is a sustainable project? They don't care about this. They don't pay a fee because that's the cost to do business. And I get it.

5:32:30 – 5:32:53Speaker 12

We want jobs for our hardworking union tradesmen and women. We all gotta feed our families, but it shouldn't come at the cost of all the other working residents of Joliet and their children. We need good jobs through good development. Union workers historically fought the big bosses. They organized, went on strike, and even got shot by private company security to bring Americans the basic rights that they have today.

5:32:53 – 5:33:36Speaker 12

Don't believe me? Look up the Mayday riots of Chicago or the coal mines in West Virginia. But now in 2026, these corporations are lobbying our hardworking union siblings to put them against their interests of neighbors. It should be everyone's here's responsibility to ensure that we could find sustainable jobs that balance the health of our community, give our tradesmen jobs, and ensure that, you know, their union bureaucracy isn't being used to basically become talking points for these billionaires like Ross Perrott junior and his cabal of rat billionaire tech partners who probably all partied on Epstein Island. Please be on the right side of history tonight.

5:33:36 – 5:33:49Speaker 12

Vote no on this. At the very least, table it and get us a better deal so that this project is sustainable. Otherwise, we will ensure that every single voting resident of the city of Joliet votes all of you out.

5:33:56 – 5:34:26Speaker 99

Hello. My my name is Jeff Becker. I'm a little cold, so sorry for my voice. My brother is the one who did the FOIA request. There were thirteen and seven documents. 1,300 of them were blacked out. He had to go to the Illinois attorney general, file an appeal with the city of Joliet to even get any documents on this case. Why? So my word for you is transparency, transparency, transparency. I went over all of the documents.

5:34:26 – 5:34:46Speaker 99

The first thing in the file is a document from 06/24/2025. The first thing, it is Kimberly Horn's traffic study for the Bernhard Family Farms. So the we're we're in June 24. This is, like, three or four months later, they were bringing this to you. No.

5:34:46 – 5:35:21Speaker 99

It was two years ago. So you can in FOIA, you can exempt documents, and you don't and you can get they the city can go ahead and exempt documents. There's a year and a half of missing files for the Hillwood project. And then when I began to look into I started researching all the documents, and then 09/25/2025, there the Hillwood attorney, mister Silverman, sent an email to Todd Lenzi, the attorney, Ray Heitner, who's on city planning, and Jane Bernard, who's on city planning. So I looked into the information on Jane Bernard.

5:35:21 – 5:36:02Speaker 99

She's your city planner. So all of this then I I went and looked. Could she have been working on this project? Is this where everyone here is getting your information from? Is it from the Joliet City City Planner's Office? I'm assuming so. That's the staff that would be giving you all the documents on what you should how you should proceed. What you hear is a quote. It's coming from Ray Heitner, and he says about Jane Bernhardt, I incorporated a few additional talking points and edits with Jane's help. This ended up going to the press. The press then said, was Jane heard Bernhardt working on this project? And we were all told, no. She was not. She left it immediately. That's just completely false.

5:36:02 – 5:36:44Speaker 99

She was working on this project, and you're getting all your information from the city planner. So I looked into who where how is her family gonna benefit from this? So here's what we have. There were 14 parcels. 13 of them are owned, one by her grandfather, one by her grandparents, one by Joan Lawn, Jean Smith, and Joy Garza, her aunts. There were three Bernard Farms Incorporated. Brian and Carl Bernard are on on those properties. At least that's what we have in the corporate records. And then there's five Bernhard Family Trusts. So how much money is the CEO Joliet City Planner going to get from this project, and where are all the earlier documents?

5:36:44 – 5:37:24Speaker 99

You need to do an investigation and find out what actually how this how the Bernhardt family how did they know? It's 14 parcels. Parcels. How did they know that they that Hillwood needed a site? Did that come from the city planner? Did she go ahead and did she push that this project goes to her family? The Hillwood has said they wanna be transparent. How much money was your city planner, the Joliet city planner, Jean Bernhardt, gonna get for this project? $50,000,000? It's eight it's on 795 acres. Is she gonna get 50,000,000 for her family? Family? A $100,100,000,000? Million? Why would this not be immediately tabled and investigated?

5:37:24 – 5:37:47Speaker 99

Where is the press? Where is the press saying, wait a minute. Oh my gosh. The Joliet City Planner is sending this project to her own family. How could that how could that happen? I mean, I think this is a scandal. I think you need to table this, and you need to go back, and you need to figure out and do an investigation and find out what is going on in the city planning department. Thank you.

5:37:59 – 5:38:32Speaker 94

council. My name is Julie Rivera. I'm also a long time resident here at Joliet. And I just wanted to let you guys know, you probably already know, but this is not the first time that a marginalized community has been a target of land exploitation and destruction, and have subjected us to human right violations for the sake sake of lining the pockets of CEOs, trade investors, and politicians who readily accept their money with sweaty, needy hands. It started with redlining, then it went on to the construction of factories that pollute our air and our waters and our bodies, and now it's with construction of data centers.

5:38:32 – 5:39:02Speaker 94

We're not here to discuss about how you're going to build them. And we're not here to listen about the lies that are supposed to be assuring us about our safety guarantees. It doesn't matter if this is Google, Gemini, Meta, Chad GPT, Sora, or any other company because they're all going to screw us over in the same fashion. What we're here to do is to make you listen to us and vote no to the construction of the Joliet Data Center. Many of you have been desperately trying to get us to agree with you that there were will be benefits to this, but there's no benefit to having our water stolen and dirtied.

5:39:02 – 5:39:41Speaker 94

There's no benefit to having our lungs filled with even more carbon dioxide and having a constant journey noise twenty four seven. There's no benefit to having more large portions of land that could be used for good and be used instead to destroy your environment. According to ScienceDirect, between three hundred and twelve point five and seven hundred and sixty four six billion gallons of water was used in 2025 alone by AI data centers. The range is very wide because corporations refuse to be 100% transparent with their water usage and emissions of pollutions. There is no global water crisis, only large greedy corporations that harbor water for their own use.

5:39:41 – 5:40:18Speaker 94

Data centers on average waste 300,000 gallons of water per day, but you knew you already knew that. We haven't even gotten to the carbon emissions yet. According to a bunch of sources, finding them right now, data centers are currently responsible for over 1% of global electricity demand and 0.5% of CO2 emissions according to IEA data. We get it. You want to get your share of the money and go out vacationing or move out once things get too tough.

5:40:18 – 5:40:42Speaker 94

However, if it wasn't made obvious already, you can't live much less vacation in places where the air is highly polluted. There is constant noise pollution, and the water is scarce and undrinkable. A yes to data centers in Joliet can lead to a yes everywhere else, and eventually a yes everywhere. There will be no Cancun or Dubai because AI is becoming a global issue. Let's be a force of resistance and an example for our children to follow. If you vote yes

5:40:42Speaker 29

for the war to

5:40:43 – 5:41:22Speaker 94

see it can be done. Exactly. If you vote yes to this, then there will be no future for your children. There will be no future for any children. Whatever legacy you hope to build with your wealth will turn into dust much quicker than you expect. You will not have any mark on this earth other than a big fat carbon footprint. All of the info that we were given by these corporations have not been checked by third parties. We are just taking them at their word. The UN has officially announced that we are in a global water bankruptcy. There is nothing that we can do after thirteen years. We will have run out of water. We cannot let Joliet be another part of the statistic. And I urge you please to vote no on this. Good

5:41:30 – 5:41:57Speaker 54

afternoon, councilmen, councilwomen. My name is Nancy Rivera. First and foremost, I want to say it is not too late to regulate. We, right now, have not even regulated the contents of these centers. There are so many children and women exploited by these AI deepfakes.

5:41:57 – 5:42:44Speaker 54

I have a statistic here from the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. They said that the number of AI generated child sexual abuse images reported to CyberTipline soared from 4,700 in 2023 to 440,000 in just the first six months of 2025. So when you say this is gonna benefit these children in these schools, what do you mean by that? If we can't even regulate what's inside of these centers, how are you gonna say, yeah, the center is regulated itself? The water usage, the carbon dioxide, the noise.

5:42:45 – 5:43:03Speaker 54

We are seeing all of this already all over the country, Arizona, Alabama. They do not have water. The little water that they do have is contaminated. There's a lot of residue that they cannot use. They cannot use this water.

5:43:04 – 5:43:46Speaker 54

For us, we have a recycling system, if I if I'm correct. So the water that we're dumping into these public wastelands, We're using them again. We are trying to recycle it, and it's so it's gonna come back to us. So we cannot say that these that there are safety measures when there are no regulations as of right now. Also, I wanna ask why wasn't this part of the ballot?

5:43:47Speaker 54

Why wasn't this put to vote? Why was this meeting at 04:30PM on a Monday?

5:43:55Speaker 63

People are working.

5:43:57 – 5:44:37Speaker 54

People are working. People didn't know about this. The only way that I knew about this was a single post on Facebook, and I had to be a member of a group on Facebook in order to know what was going on. I look around, and I see most of these people who are voting for the center have some kind of investment in it. There is nobody resident, who's going to be living close to this center and saying, yeah, I'm all for this.

5:44:39 – 5:45:03Speaker 54

What are you going to gain from this in the long run? What types of jobs will you generate in the future if AI is taking them all? Thank you. I will be translating from my father.

5:45:04Speaker 36

I don't speak English as well, but she's helping me. Sorry. My Yeah.

5:45:14 – 5:45:26Speaker 54

He tried to look for some help and some information, but nobody spoke English. He is very upset with all the Hispanics in this council.

5:45:37 – 5:46:13Speaker 54

didn't cost you anything to make at least a ten minute video on Facebook or something explaining what was going to happen today at this meeting. I am a labor u I am a union labor, and I I support you guys

5:46:15 – 5:46:49Speaker 54

work that you do. But but these corporations are using you. And these same corporations are the ones who will be using other nonunion laborers to do your jobs. And later, you're gonna be outside with a rat, an inflatable rat outside of these facilities protesting. It's very sad.

5:46:50 – 5:47:23Speaker 54

It's very sad because I went through this. None of these none of these union workers are living close to Joliet or where this this center is gonna be constructed.

5:47:29 – 5:47:48Speaker 54

center will replace union jobs in one way or another robots. With robots. Today, I saw a Chinese video

5:47:49Speaker 54

About robots running in a marathon who think for themselves in one way or another.

5:48:03 – 5:48:33Speaker 54

will we stop this when they don't have when they're not regulated and just roam free? God gave you this gift to be our representatives. Please think of us as citizens. There were a lot of people downstairs who couldn't get upstairs.

5:48:37Speaker 54

lot of Hispanic people who don't speak English. But we pay taxes, and we support our government.

5:48:45Speaker 36

We support the union.

5:48:49 – 5:49:02Speaker 54

But please help us. God will take in account whether or not you vote yes or no on the center.

5:49:03Speaker 54

Please don't do it.

5:49:11 – 5:49:41Speaker 2

Okay. I'm gonna call up the last the last six speakers. I have Beatrice. I can't see the last name. Beatrice with an m maybe? Beatrice? Madeline Gable? Jason Schreck? Stephanie Becker? Ezekiel Etevar? And Andres with a g. Okay. Go ahead.

5:49:41 – 5:49:58Speaker 36

Sounds good. Good evening, mayor, council members. My name is Luis Jaime. I'm a lifelong member of Joliet just like many of the people who spoke before me today. Went to AO Marshall, Gomper, Joliet Central, public school all my life.

5:49:58 – 5:51:01Speaker 36

And I'm here to voice my firm opposition to this development and urge you, our elected officials, to not approve it or at the bare minimum to table it until after the Power Act gets passed or come goes into effect. I understand that you are in an unenviable position. You have to care for the economic future of this city while balancing the needs of your residents, and that is not an easy thing to do. However, this project is not the project to bring forth that long term economic growth that we or future that you wanna bring here. There is dignity in work, and no matter what we do sorry.

5:51:01 – 5:51:33Speaker 36

I I I lost my spot. Just look at what the corporations are doing to us right now. They're pitting neighbor versus neighbors already. I work. The people who are against this work, the union members in the back who are for this, we all work. We have bills. We have mortgages. We have to pay rent. That's just a way of life. And for that, we work because we don't want the handouts.

5:51:33 – 5:52:17Speaker 36

We wanna we wanna feel good. We wanna feel like we earn and we we we reap what we sow. What we do is what we get. Right? However, the developers themselves have indicated that 90% of the jobs are gonna be temporary. They said that on the graph, they said what? Seven to 10,000 jobs are gonna be here for five to seven years, and then after that, it's gonna be 700 jobs max. And that's if they're telling the truth. So what? 10% of the jobs is what we're selling the future of our, you know, environmental and our, you know, physical health, all of all of that, they're they're just using neighbor versus neighbor.

5:52:17 – 5:52:45Speaker 36

It's they're doing what corporations always do the labor, pitting us against each other so we don't speak up against them. And why should they care? They don't live here. They don't have to worry about the water running out. And when the empty promises of these high paying jobs for Joliet residents never materialize it means nothing to them.

5:52:45 – 5:53:39Speaker 36

They got their profit. You know? And then before I end this, I'll translate this afterwards. But like the gentleman before, I'll say this in Spanish. And then in English, all I said is for those who speak Spanish, we elected those you guys to represent us because we have been taken advantage of because we didn't speak the language.

5:53:39Speaker 36

We didn't know how this functioned. But at the end of the day, if you vote for this, you're showing up

5:53:47 – 5:53:59Speaker 36

like them. So all I all all I do is I urge you to vote against this or at least table it, or we, the residents, will vote against you. Thank you. Have a

5:54:07 – 5:54:44Speaker 88

Hello. My name is Beatrice. I don't live in I don't live in this area. I live in Ormond. And what's affecting what's coming over here might come to my neighborhood. It might come to yours. And for sure, they're enabling that, so it won't go to their area. You know? This land is for Juliet, for the town who's owned the land, and part of the residents. So why are you hearing them? Money. Why are you listening to

5:54:44Speaker 20

them? Why haven't

5:54:45Speaker 88

you come and give pamphlets or brochures to people who speak Spanish?

5:55:04Speaker 66

You represent us.

5:55:06 – 5:55:35Speaker 88

The residents, the Latinos, the people can't speak English. We pay taxpayer dollars. Sir, how are you gonna make water? You can make water? When the water's gone, you can make water? Mayor? Please. Like, for humans. We're all humans. We all have a mother, a father, and siblings, and kids.

5:55:36 – 5:55:52Speaker 88

I brought my own daughter here to see if there could be a change, that you guys could change your mind. There is democracy. Please. All I could say, this land is a Juliet and the benefits of the residents. Say no.

5:55:52Speaker 38

And bring farming back.

5:55:53 – 5:56:20Speaker 88

And bring farming back. We need food to eat. The robots don't need our water. They're not alive. They're not alive. They're not essential. We are. And so are these workers over here. They've been told a lie to betray. I'm my brother was in the military, United States Army. Americans just like you.

5:56:21Speaker 30

Just like you. Ma'am, please address the council.

5:56:23 – 5:57:05Speaker 88

Oh, but they're part of the part of it. Because they're being tricked to feel like it's we're all humans, and we all have the right to own our houses, to have safe drinking water. Our kids cannot play in the data centers. They can't study inside the data centers. They can't be live in one. So why give them so much priority? You could sell the land to someone else. Sell it to someone else. More housing, more playgrounds, more schools. They will organic food.

5:57:06 – 5:57:49Speaker 88

They're putting poisons in our foods. All these ingredients in our foods. You are gonna make a choice for the future. You're gonna make a choice for the future. So please be human. And and they're so concerned about peoples who live here, and they're playing on their phones. They're not even acknowledging us. Okay. They're all gonna be gone on this side. And the other people are gonna you're gonna have to answer to to your community.

5:57:49 – 5:58:13Speaker 88

You swore, and you had an oath. You swore. When The United States Army, my brother was, what kind of rights in service do you protect? It's always your choice. You could say no. Thank you. Dino. Both Indonesian and Spanish.

5:58:16 – 5:58:52Speaker 93

Hello, mayor Darcy and counsel. I first off wanna take a minute to thank all the police officers that are here to keep us safe. And everyone in this room, no matter what their opinion is, I appreciate that they're coming to share their voice. I know you guys are tired. When I was in high school, I fell asleep in a science class or two. So I understand how you feel, but please just listen what I have to say. My name is Stephanie Becker. I am 30 years old and a homeowner in Manhattan. My fiance and I have spent the last seven months renovating our home, which is 1.7 miles from the proposal site. I have many unanswered questions and concerns, which I will proceed to state now.

5:58:53 – 5:59:28Speaker 93

To the council and Hillwood and Powerhouse executives, do you truly believe in the safety of this project enough that you yourself would feel comfortable living 1.7 miles from the site. My fiance and I have bought our house in hopes of starting a family. As a labor and delivery nurse at a level one trauma medical center, I am all too familiar with devastating fetal outcomes. I cannot imagine the detriment this proposal will have on the health of me, my babies in future pregnancies, and my children as they continue to grow close to this data center. Fertility is dropping in The United States year by year for a multitude of reasons, and some yet unknown.

5:59:29 – 5:59:59Speaker 93

A large percentage of my patients do not conceive naturally, solely through IVF, and those numbers are continuing to increase. I'm afraid that this could not only further complicate fertility issues for me, but other mothers in the future. If the fertility levels continue to decrease, what will be the future of Will County? I was born here in Mokena, and I have continued to live here as my choice with my fiance. But if this data center goes up, I will not continue that continue that choice.

6:00:00 – 6:00:26Speaker 93

Please think very carefully about the health outcomes of this and the unknown health outcomes of this. I also have a well in my neighborhood that is 1.7 miles from the build site. Will this well have the possibility of draining? I know there was a man who spoke in vague language that made the answer seem to be a no. But please forgive me if I'm not trusting of these officials as I live 1.7 miles from the build site and have only heard about it within the past seven days.

6:00:27 – 6:01:10Speaker 93

The lack of transparency and outreach is astonishing. I have read accounts online from citizens who live close in proximity to a data center in New Carlisle, Indiana, who state their well ran dry. Why has there been no outreach from Hillside or or from Hillwood or Powerhouse telling the people who live in my Ranch Oaks community what is going to happen and what is being built? In the sound portion of the presentation, it said that the daytime limit would be 60 decibels. Does this include the proposed substations? I just found out about those tonight. Mayor, can you wake up? You're asleep. What regulations will be in place to ensure it does not go above 60? What will happen if it goes above 60?

6:01:10 – 6:01:43Speaker 93

What regulations will be put in place to protect us? To protect me, my future children, my fiance, my elderly parents, and their parents who come to visit us at my property? The thing I I find most ironic of all is that the man who supported this proposal earlier as a spokesperson for a trades council is wearing a jacket with bison on it. Midwin National Tallgrass Prairie ran by the United States Forest Service is in extremely close proximity to the location of this data center. This data center will negatively affect the bison herd located there as well as me.

6:01:43 – 6:02:15Speaker 93

I am demanding that if you say no, at least table this. Table it and put put in research. How is this going to affect fertility? How is this going to affect the health of people? How is this going to affect children in our neighborhood? The proposed data center is extremely close in proximity to a Manhattan elementary school. How's it going to affect those children and their learning? I'm asking you to please listen to what I'm saying and to say no or at least table this problem. Thank you.

6:02:25 – 6:02:44Speaker 58

Hello, council. My name is Ezekiel and I'm from Joliet, born and raised on the Southeast Side of town. This data campus is clearly not wanted by your constituents. We spent nearly five hours trying to convince those people that you've appointed to the planning commission to say no. We're going on six hours now here, and if you wanted to give funding to schools and sidewalks, you would have done it by now.

6:02:46 – 6:03:27Speaker 58

Instead of investing into data centers and AI, you could be looking for investment in public transit, public health, public education, and public housing. The majority of this council seems to believe it's a good investment to build these data centers here in Joliet. Just like the council before some of you that approved warehouses to be built here that used temp agencies to employ their workers. They offer no guarantee of full time work, no good pay, no time off, no guarantee of health insurance, and with all those benefits being minimal at best when they're offered by those agencies. Not to mention that most of these industrial buildings being built by these trades will likely be strictly anti union and create hundreds of unstable permanent scab labor jobs afterwards.

6:03:27 – 6:04:04Speaker 58

To the unions, how can you claim to be pro worker when you're willing to screw over the rest of your working class neighbors? It seems very selfish and individualistic of your leaders to want to secure a job that lasts four years. Now I don't I do want rank and file workers to fight for work, but I want you to also fight and support all the other working class people of this city and start operating like real class struggle unions unlike the presidents of your locals that take your hard earned union dues to be the big boss boss' lapdogs. What is to come after you build these data centers? If AI improves, we all lose our jobs.

6:04:04 – 6:04:38Speaker 58

If the AI bubble burst, we lose our jobs. This is a ridiculous amount of money going into these projects. NVIDIA, the company manufacturing the chips that go into these data campuses, has recently hit a $5,000,000,000,000 evaluation. This is worth more than the GDP of every single country except The United States and China. According to our Harvard economist, in the 2025, without this explosion of data centers, The United States GDP growth for the entire rest of the economy was only 0.1%, a standstill for the microeconomies microeconomies that will affect our daily working lives.

6:04:39 – 6:05:25Speaker 58

On top of this devastating impact on our local and nationwide economy, these companies will that will occupy these data centers are in the pockets of each other, creating an economic bubble for themselves. NVIDIA makes the chips to process data, Oracle purchases these chips to make these data centers, and OpenAI then purchases the capacity to use these data centers. Only that you find out that NVIDIA invested a $100,000,000,000 into OpenAI as of March 10. NVIDIA makes money from Oracle, Oracle makes money from OpenAI, OpenAI makes money from NVIDIA, a circle of the same revenue going around and around in these same companies. NVIDIA can be switched out for AMD, Oracle could be switched out for Amazon, and OpenAI can be switched out with Anthropic, and it will be the same story.

6:05:25 – 6:05:51Speaker 58

The same revenue going around in circles within this industry to boost their numbers to shareholders. And how does this not sound like a bubble to you? Most of these big players in the AI industry such as OpenAI or even the smaller projects like Google and Meta are not even profitable yet. They only promise profit eventually with no actual proof that of that happening. The only claim these companies share is that AI will cut down on labor cost and that those billions of dollars of investment will pair pound comparison.

6:05:51 – 6:06:18Speaker 58

The truth is AI has not replaced workers at all. While managers think AI is a tool to write a nice email, workers are met with an AI generated report with hundreds of mistakes that they have to fix by hand. All of this shows investors from these companies how useless AI can actually be. So what happens when the bubble when they pull away from it? We see that there's so much money being thrown at these developments and that's why Hillwood is so comfortable nodding off at these meetings.

6:06:18 – 6:06:47Speaker 58

Meadow, for instance, has reportedly sold leases out for these data centers to be built that are then bought and sold by hedge funds and private equity firms. Then these equity firms offer take on make more debt to finance the build out of these data centers and hope that these tech companies will pay their rent in order to pay off those debts. Meta made it a financial instrument that people buy and sell, so this connects us to the public. Using the banking industry, it affects pension funds, mutual funds, insurance companies, and everyday investors.

6:06:47Speaker 1

More people to speak to.

6:06:48Speaker 58

Remember how you vote, because these people will vote you out.

6:06:58 – 6:07:34Speaker 7

Hi. I'm Andres with a G. Andres Brulva. I'm a Joliet Central Steelman class of 2016. I should be watching TV with my girlfriend right now at 11:00, but here I am. I hope you are looking at everyone here and realize that we do not want this, not under so many questions. This data center supposedly meets all of the regulations for the state and federal government currently. Good job. I'm being completely serious. That. It's a low bar to clear, and I don't think a lot of these senators are meeting them. This one, though, they keep assuring us that they will. But are those regulations good enough? I don't think so. Our state government doesn't think so.

6:07:35 – 6:08:12Speaker 7

Yet here we are trying to rush this before they make up its mind. Why are we in such a rush? What do you guys what? Do you guys think you'll have to rethink a lot of this if they do pass that? If if June comes and suddenly all these new re regulations pop up? If not, then why are why are we why aren't we waiting for this? Why aren't we waiting for the state regulations to be updated? The current regulations were not written with these centers in mind. Why does the city and these companies seem so nervous to talk to us when if it was truly benefit benefiting us, you wouldn't be nervous. If this was good for us, you would have done a better job informing us.

6:08:12 – 6:08:48Speaker 7

That includes our huge Hispanic populations here in Joliet. She doesn't live here anymore, but one of my closest friends asked me to speak for her mom and dad who live five miles from the data center. And yet, a few weeks ago, didn't knew nothing about this. They're Hispanic. They don't speak English that well. No Spanish materials available. Like, why is that? If there's one thing politicians love to do, it's brag when they help us, quote unquote. This should be your guys' magnum opus, yet you guys seem pretty hush and pretty nervous to talk about it. Regardless, I hope you guys are thinking all about this because this is moving through so quickly when there's still so many questions to answer.

6:08:49 – 6:09:29Speaker 7

These companies know that their window is limited. People around the country are beginning to understand how these data centers and AI as a whole affects them. As people understand these better, they they are more often than not increasingly against them. Are we trying to push this project through before the Joliet people can come to this same conclusion? We, the people, see the data center being built all around us in the state. You can't sell us on this easily. So why were you guys sold on this so easily? Why are we asking questions that you should have already asked? Either you don't care what happens to us or you're too trusting of these corporations. That means to me you're either indifferent or naive about this, and Joliet does not need either representing us.

6:09:30 – 6:10:07Speaker 7

Joliet is a Rust Belt city. We should know better than the trust corporations who promised the world. The only promises they keep are to their shell shareholders. We should know better than anyone about this. We had to claw our way back up after the steel companies left us because corporations will never have our interest in heart. They will support the city for as long as we are positive on their bottom line. They will not hesitate to abandon us if it will make the it will make the line go up. We've seen this before, and we know how the story ends. We have monuments to that failure in this city still standing decades later. Why do we want to build another? That is all. Thank you.

6:10:15 – 6:10:59Speaker 33

Okay. I have never spoken at any kind of public meeting, so apparently I am the perfect person to go last. My name is Madeline Gable. I have lived in Joliet my whole life. I'm a homeowner homeowner in Joliet. I bought a house by 6 Corners four years ago with my now husband. I am the first person to come up here and say, I love Joliet. Like, I am one of those people that is like, oh my god, Joliet's so great. Like, Plainfield, nobody cares about Plainfield, nobody cares about Naperville, everybody's like, Joliet is where it's at. Okay. Let me be real with you, city council, mayor, etcetera. No one says that. Like, I'm just gonna be completely honest. We had someone from Bolingbrook come in here and say, you guys are sludge. We had someone from Elwood come in here and say, I am so glad I don't live in Joliet and never have.

6:11:00 – 6:11:35Speaker 33

Very unfortunately, this is kind of the reputation Joliet has. I've been doing a lot of work for just like a private citizen, like getting the word out about this data center. I've posted it in like the Joliet Facebook groups, and I'm like, hey, have you guys heard about this data center? Come to the meeting, like it's really important, you should know about it. I've seen one city council person on there, I know that's like not your official channels, totally understand that. However, I don't know why that's something I'm doing. I don't know why I'm informing the public. Multiple people have been like, I have no idea what a data center is, like, can you tell me? And I'm like, sure. I got nothing going on.

6:11:36 – 6:12:07Speaker 33

So I have. So I think that, just in case you're not aware, Juliet doesn't always have the greatest reputation. A lot of the public sentiment, I should say, on like the patch articles and the Shire Tribune articles, and every time there's an article posted about this data center on Facebook is the city council doesn't give up, you know. They're not going to listen to us, it's already been decided. And I really, with my whole heart, wanna come up here and say, I don't believe that.

6:12:09 – 6:12:48Speaker 33

But it it almost feels like it's already a done deal and we've kind of spent five hours of our time convincing people who already have their mind up. So I just am gonna ask you all today to think about your oaths, think about the reason you're in office, think about your constituents, think about how much you care about Juliet. I know how much work has been done downtown. I know how much work has been done trying to share all the ideas for the four different zones and get residents feedback. You guys just sent out the big survey last year that was like, please, we'd love your feedback. Okay. Joliet's feedback. We don't want a data center. Nobody wanted that sculpture either. That's besides the point.

6:12:49 – 6:13:30Speaker 33

But like, you don't have a great track record of listening to all of your constituents. My city council person did not respond to me. I that kind of is upsetting. I had a different council person reach out to me and I'm like, you're not my council person, but I appreciate you. So I just want you to think about the long term effects of the decisions you're making. Think about the residents. Think about the people who care about Joliet. I know you guys care about Joliet. You wouldn't volunteer to spend your time here either if you didn't. Everyone that is from this area, not gonna name names, who isn't, cares about Joliet and that's why we're here today.

6:13:30 – 6:14:17Speaker 33

And I think it's a perfect note to end on, just thinking about the long term effects of how this will impact people my age, if I had future kids, etcetera etcetera etcetera down the line. And really the legacy you want to leave and how much work you're putting into building Joliet up. And if you wanna kind of tear it down with this decision that you could at the very very very very very minimum table till there were more regulations and more information. With that, I will leave you with the petition that is now at let me check because it's been going up the whole time I've been here. 4,719 signatures so far that are against this data center, and I would like you to represent your constituents and agree with them and not go through with it.

6:14:17Speaker 33

Thank you on behalf of all of us.

6:14:27Speaker 2

Okay. That is the last speaker. So

6:14:33Speaker 4

we will go ahead

6:15:01 – 6:15:36Speaker 52

resident here. My home is actually almost paid for. So that tells you how long I've been here. I wanna make sure you understand that PJM the reason our electricity costs are going up, it has nothing to do with our use. It all has to do with the delivery fees. That is why each and every one of you, you're paying more. And the reason our delivery fees are going up happens to be the AIs that are coming through here. It is killing us financially. I don't know about any of you, but I I don't I don't look forward to a $500 electric bill. That will actually almost replace my mortgage.

6:15:37 – 6:16:20Speaker 52

The closed loop system. We have to remember that when something goes from cold to hot, we have condensation. Well, that water also happens to have pollutants in it that are f PFAS. PFAS, we know, are cancer causing. So we're gonna put the cancer causing PFAS condensation water into our air. That means you're gonna breathe it. My science tells me, and my history working in health care tells me that opens us up to cancers. I'm thinking probably lung cancer since we're breathing it in, but I'm thinking it could also be skin cancer since it would land on our skin and our hair. It's just a thought. They talked about blow down.

6:16:20 – 6:16:54Speaker 52

They're not gonna do that. They're gonna truck it outside. Right. If you believe that, I have oceanfront property in Arizona for you. They're not gonna do it. They're gonna save their money. They're gonna throw it back down in the ground. And guess what? Now we're gonna drink it. More cancer. Great. I know some of you have I have children. Do you want your children getting cancer? How about your grandkids? Niece, nephew, mom, dad? I don't. The EPA fines. Susanna brought it up. That's just the cost of doing business. I agree.

6:16:55 – 6:17:35Speaker 52

When she asked the question about the water, and they said they could shut the water off, and it could happen eventually. They never did answer Susanna Obara's question about what eventually is. Is it a day, a month, a week, a year? I really would love to know that answer. I'm sure so would miss Obara and everybody else in this room. Now we're gonna talk about the infrasound. It's less than 20 hertz. We cannot hear it. It can cause nausea, dizziness, anxiety, blood pressure to change, heart rate to change, and dread. I wanna go back to the blood pressure and the heart rate.

6:17:35 – 6:18:11Speaker 52

If it's changing that, can it change our blood cells? It's just a question. If it changes our blood cells, again, it opens us up to cancer. I'm not a nurse, but I did work in health care. It's a thought. Another thing they say, it can cause hallucination and equilibrium distress. Well, if your equilibrium is off, that means you might be walking like you're drunk. So people might be getting charged for DUIs and they weren't drunk at all. They're just being exposed to our data center. Can you imagine having a drunk buffalo?

6:18:12 – 6:18:53Speaker 52

That's what we could be having going on in the day when or a buffalo that might be hallucinating. That's kinda scary because they're they're a little big animal. Are you aware that in Texas, near data centers, there's been an increase in Parkinson's rise. Do you wanna be have that on your head tonight? When you put your head down on your pillow, you're gonna make a decision today. If you say yes to this, you are guilty of every person getting cancer, every person getting Parkinson's because of this data center. I hope you can sleep with yourself. Please do not say yes. Say no. Be better. Thank you.

6:19:01 – 6:19:24Speaker 101

Hello. Good evening. Joliet City Council. My name is Tia Quinterly and I'm a lifelong Joliet resident. I'm also here as the creator of the petition, San Jose Centers in Joliet, which now has over 4,700 signatures from people in our community who are deeply concerned about this proposal.

6:19:24 – 6:20:03Speaker 101

There is speculation that only one of you plans to vote no on this proposed data center. So when I say what I'm about to say, I'm speaking directly to those of you who are considering voting yes. I'm talking to Larry E. Hug, Pat Muldren, Sherry Reardon, Cesar Cardenas, Joe Clement, Juan Moreno, Jan Hallens Quillman, who is not in attendance, and mayor Terry D'Arcy. As council members, you have a duty to be the voice of your constituents and to do what is best for the city of Joliet.

6:20:03 – 6:20:30Speaker 101

It is clear that the overwhelming majority of residents oppose this product. So that raises a very important question. If the city council votes yes on this, whose interests are truly being represented here? Because it certainly won't be the interests of the people who live here. We deserve a council that we can trust to do the right thing, yet there has been no transparency surrounding this proposed data center.

6:20:31 – 6:21:13Speaker 101

Many residents still have serious questions and concerns that have gone unanswered. So by by voting yes, you are sending a message to the community. You are telling us that our voices don't matter. By voting yes, you are telling us that corporate money is more important than the health, resources, and livelihoods of the people who actually live here. In December 2025, the Illinois Commerce Commission, the Illinois Environmental Protection Agency, and the Illinois Power Agency warned that Illinois can face chronic electricity shortages and higher monthly bills within just five years.

6:21:13 – 6:21:55Speaker 101

And that's not that far. It doesn't seem like COVID was that far away, but, I mean, it was just five years ago, six years ago now. Joliet is already relying on a depleting aquifer for water. But somehow, we're supposed to believe that the enormous amount of energy and water demands of a data center will have no impact? Yeah. Right. Let's be honest. The cons outweigh the pros, and we all know it. I like to close with this. To everyone listening right now, when elected officials go against the very citizens that they were sworn to protect and represent, there is only one response.

6:21:56Speaker 101

We vote them out. Look carefully at everyone sitting up there. Remember their names. Remember their faces. Remember who votes yes.

6:22:06 – 6:22:43Speaker 101

Because if our public servants won't do their job, then as united citizens of Joliet, we have the power to remind them who they work for at the ballot box. I have an 11 year old son, and he's at my parents' house right now. And I should have been spending time with him, but instead, I came here right after work to come and fight for his city and for his future. My son and every single child growing up in Joliet deserves to live in a healthy community, not one very under in industrial sorry. Industrial expansion and corporate pollution.

6:22:44 – 6:23:04Speaker 101

Sorry. Together, we can protect Joliet's legacy and ensure a cleaner, stronger future for generations to come. And we can do that without the data center. Listen to your constituents or be prepared to lose your job. Say no to data centers in Joliet. Thank you.

6:23:14Speaker 102

Hello. My name is Usmar Torres. I'm the poet laureate

6:23:20 – 6:23:32Speaker 102

Joliet, and I'm here tonight representing my family and my history. But more importantly, I'm here specifically for my children and their future.

6:23:41 – 6:24:09Speaker 102

this is my son's '47 Chevy. He calls it his lowrider. He's four years old and my daughter's only one. You know, I I stand here as a proud child of immigrants and my story is kinda like, you know, it's like that of many others that live in my community. And it's not so different from some of the council members that sit in front of me.

6:24:10 – 6:25:10Speaker 102

It's the same way that my parents came here to The US for a better life for their their children. I'm not from Joliet, but I'm here now, and I'm trying to build a better life for them. Because I know there's been plenty of people and community members here who have given specific numbers about issues and impacts, and what I'm here to share is character impact. Because I'm I'm from a very proud family of union carpenters, electricians, entrepreneurs, naturalized citizens, park rangers, law enforcement, artists, educators, dreamers, and doers. And my father taught me that So like many before me mentioned, accessibility to information, whether it's in Spanish or in French because we have a very large diaspora of people that speak all sorts of languages here in the community.

6:25:10 – 6:25:35Speaker 102

Accessibility to information is paramount, and we have not received that. And I know that a lot of times immigrant or black and brown communities are often seen and treated as less or stupid or as misguided. That's not what we are, and we will not be taken advantage of. I'm a testament of that. I stand here.

6:25:35 – 6:25:57Speaker 102

I speak three languages. I'm college educated. I am community appointed, and I have never been afraid to be honest and to speak my mind. And though I'm not a Joliet native, my wife and my children are, and I live here now. And the negative impacts of this data center will be bared by my children, by our children, children, and by neighborhoods that are predominantly black and brown.

6:25:58 – 6:26:39Speaker 102

And to every, you know, teamster, union president, union rep, and corporate puppet, I implore you to please tell us where you live before you speak because you're going city to city encouraging the data centers to be built while going home to places that are unaffected by them. And again, to the council, you're not just facing elections. Some of you have businesses in the community, and we will remember your votes. So whether you're reelected or not, we will boycott, we will turn our shoulders to you, and we will remember that you chose profit over the quality of life for our children, over my son, and over my daughter. So to end my time, I wrote a poem.

6:26:42 – 6:27:17Speaker 102

Roses are red, and I was born blue. My lungs were sealed, and I had asthma too. They taught me to be human and how to connect with others and how to be level. And they taught me that when money talks, what you're actually listening to is the devil. And so I'm here for my children, their future, and I'm and for them, I'm willing to pay the ultimate price.

6:27:17 – 6:27:28Speaker 102

So are you willing to die for this money? And if not, then explain to me why it's my children that you're willing to sacrifice. Alright. Thank you.

6:27:48 – 6:28:10Speaker 33

I just wanna take a second. Just because we've gathered all here today no matter what side you're on, say hi everyone. Alright, so cute little thing out the way. I'm not gonna apologize if I look unwell. I pushed myself today to show up here.

6:28:10 – 6:28:39Speaker 33

I have been recently diagnosed with a chronic condition, a full body chronic condition. It's known as a menstrual condition but it is full body and I originally wasn't going to speak here tonight. I've been passionate about this topic for forever but I wasn't going to speak here. I was at Illinois State University in 2020 when I left here, and I only came back, I think, a couple months ago. I figured, you know what?

6:28:39 – 6:29:10Speaker 33

Someone here has people here have more experience than me. But something was uttered and it disgusted me to my core. Something about we wanna listen to the experts. We wanna listen to the people who are doing the jobs. But here's the thing. By saying that statement, it implies that us as your constituents that voted you in, we are not experts in what we have lived in. Exactly. And here's the thing. Let's talk about expertise. Right?

6:29:10 – 6:29:52Speaker 33

So me, I actually come from a background, a wide array of careers that actually leaves me really well informed outside of my individual career. My sister, she is in environmental sustainability, my brother is a mechanical engineer, my dad has three to five certificates and degrees, all in plant science, my mom has her bachelor's in comp sci and an MBA in business. My partner has three bachelor's degrees in plant science and is currently getting his PhD. So I don't wanna hear let's just hear it from the people doing their jobs because they think we're not stupid. Let's get this out of the way.

6:29:53 – 6:30:31Speaker 33

The language, the legislative gaslighting that I've heard, I'm not it's like a disappointed but not surprised. Like, I'm so sorry. Okay. So on the other thing about expertise, let's talk about me. I actually got my criminal I actually got my degree in criminal justice and let's talk about crime. I know it's not why we came here tonight, but here's the thing. In criminal justice sciences one zero one, and this is across the board no matter what program you're in, no matter if you went to Illinois State, you were taught one basic thing. The number one driver for crime is not drugs,

6:30:32 – 6:30:52Speaker 33

alcohol, It is poverty. And that is a well studied fact. I'm not saying this because I'm woke or DEI. I'm saying this because it's true. And in my day job, I actually worked with people who were on the brink of homelessness and they told me that they're homeless because they couldn't pay off their medical bills.

6:30:53 – 6:31:29Speaker 33

If we're gonna talk about electrical costs, I have a cousin up in the city who saw her electrical bill go from 200 to $4.50 within a single week. I don't think people here can afford that and you are going to put a ton of people out of their houses. Outside of that, let's talk about what I actually studied while I was in grad school. I actually studied cybercrime And the amount of crimes that have has occurred because of AI, it is disgusting. And the fact that none of you are waiting until there are prime regulations, I've seen nudes of celebrities who haven't connected consented to that.

6:31:29 – 6:31:59Speaker 33

I've seen nudes of children. Okay? We're only just now seeing these regulations and the fact that none of you guys are waiting I probably I don't know if you guys knew that, but god, it's disgusting. And here's the thing, if we're gonna talk about children, like the person before me, this condition, I have polycystic ovarian syndrome. I'm already infertile. And I am telling you now, because of the massive amount of data centers, I am making the choice to get a hysterectomy.

6:31:59Speaker 1

Miss, you need to wrap it up. Three, four minutes. Four minutes.

6:32:02Speaker 33

I'm sorry that my hysterectomy was the under, but frankly, I'm not. I will have no children because of this decision.

6:32:18 – 6:32:54Speaker 103

Good evening, city council. Now I've been coming to these meetings for a little while now. I've also been going to the Joliet Plan Commission hearings since October. And, you know, I've shared my case over and over again, and I've also been listening. You know, I've been looking at all the plans. I've read every file on the the transparency page that you guys put up. I've read the staff report. I've done my own research. I've, you know, I never heard of the PGM. You know, now I'm more I know more about the PGN than anybody I know.

6:32:54 – 6:33:21Speaker 103

And I'm just still con unconvinced like many of the people here, you know. You know, I I wanna give you guys credit. You guys all seems like smart responsible people and, you know, but that doesn't really matter when this much money is on the line, does it? And so I I door knock. I I volunteer for political campaigns and I've been out this season talking to people at the doors.

6:33:21 – 6:34:00Speaker 103

And time and time again, I just I'm so distraught by the lack of faith and trust that people have in their government and the amount of defeatism that people have that the government can actually serve them and the routine lack of transparency. And, you know, coming to meetings like this, it's it's it's obvious why, you know? I just don't think that this process was inviting to the public. I don't think we were we were invited as community stakeholders in this project. And there's a lot, you know, there still is a lot of misinformation about what this project is.

6:34:01 – 6:34:46Speaker 103

You know, all the people who came here and spoken before me, you know, we were right more often than we were wrong. But that just goes to show the lack of dedication to communication with the community that you guys had. And that that's really you know, I could go on about water. I can go on about electricity. I could go on about AI. But really, that's my final takeaway here is the is just the failure for you guys to really come to the community and make your case. That that's that's just really that's my final takeaway. I urge you to vote no on this project. It just it's not and it's not in the best interest of the community. Table it and invite us to the table next time.

6:34:58 – 6:35:28Speaker 31

My name is Dave Silverman again. I just kinda wanted to wrap it up on on behalf of the developers and make make a couple final comments. I think that your challenge tonight is to try to remove the emotion from the decision. We've heard a lot of emotional testimony tonight. And I think it's I think it's your challenge to to separate the Folks

6:35:28Speaker 1

folks, you all had your chance to speak. Let mister Silverman speak.

6:35:40Speaker 55

Rule the rule get to speak two times.

6:35:42Speaker 31

The the rules provide that after all the public comment that the

6:35:53Speaker 13

Let him finish, please.

6:35:56Speaker 52

And we all get to go up there sometime.

6:36:00 – 6:36:14Speaker 31

I just remind the council that the rules that were stated at the beginning of the meeting do provide that the developer gets a rebuttal. They've had almost five hours, and I'm gonna take less than five minutes. I promise you that.

6:36:14Speaker 21

The It's supposed to be fine.

6:36:17Speaker 95

You had two years.

6:36:19 – 6:36:41Speaker 31

People have said that this project is moving too fast. We don't just we don't agree with that. The project has been here at the city for quite some time now. We've had hours of public comment at your plan commission even before the public hearing that we had a couple weeks ago. You've listened to comments here before the council even before tonight.

6:36:42 – 6:37:07Speaker 31

I submit to you the questions aren't gonna change, and the answers aren't gonna going to change. And we think that it's time for a decision. We think that we really, after hearing everyone tonight, I think it boils down to just several questions. The water issue, we've demonstrated to your staff. We've demonstrated through the PUD agreement and the and the annexation agreement how much water we're gonna use.

6:37:07 – 6:37:37Speaker 31

The amount of water has been substantially reduced. When we first came here, we were talking about millions of gallons a day, and now we're using very small portions of that. This is even less than what your staff had planned for on this property if it were light industrial as originally planned. So the water usage has gone down from your plans. It hasn't gone up. The power, you heard from ComEd that they have the ability to deliver the power. The PJM

6:37:38 – 6:38:09Speaker 31

The PJM has determined that this is a viable project. The Federal Energy Regulatory Commission has determined that this is a viable product, and they have approved the agreements. AI. We're not I said this to the planning commission. This is not a referendum on AI and whether AI is a good thing. What we do here tonight won't affect the future of AI. The AI is here to stay. Computers

6:38:10Speaker 30

Please let him speak.

6:38:12 – 6:38:52Speaker 31

AI and computers are here to stay, and this will be one data center among many that already exist and will come in the future. You have an annexation agreement and a planned unit development ordinance before you. Your staff is taking great care to make sure that what the developer has said they will do is documented in writing, and it will be done. There has been many, many negotiations. There's been several drafts of agreements, and I think that the city has been well represented by your staff and your professionals that you brought on board.

6:38:53 – 6:39:36Speaker 31

And I think when we get right down to this, what we have here is a land use decision, a land a land use decision that the councils across America make every day. Is this a good use for the property? Your your your plan commission overwhelmingly recommended approval to the council. Your city staff has reviewed this for months. They have recommended approval to the council, And we submit to you that this is the appropriate place for this for this data center, for the Joliet Technology Center, that it complies with your comprehensive plan.

6:39:37 – 6:40:04Speaker 31

And we think this is a a a huge decision for you folks tonight. And it it affects this decision affects not only the people that are in the room tonight, but the 150,000 plus people in the city of Joliet, most of whom who were not here tonight. And it also affects people throughout the county with the tax money that will be generated and going to the school districts, the county, the townships, and all the other things.

6:40:07Speaker 5

Can we keep please, just keep an order

6:40:09Speaker 31

in the chambers? We listened to everybody for hours. And we and we appreciate your comments.

6:40:19Speaker 13

The petitioner doesn't have to do the four minutes. The petitioner is trying to answer all the questions that were brought up.

6:40:26 – 6:40:37Speaker 31

I don't I don't wanna try to shout over them. We we would ask you to vote positively. We think the time is right tonight for the vote. Nothing's gonna change. Let's go up or down.

6:40:37Speaker 6

Two two quick questions from myself. Okay? I want clarification after, you know, the the the comments or testimony.

6:40:43Speaker 31

Yeah. And we're happy to answer any questions. Yeah.

6:40:45Speaker 6

Are these level two or level four generators?

6:40:49Speaker 31

They'll be level four equivalent generators.

6:40:51Speaker 6

So earlier today, when a couple of people early tonight said it was level two, they were misinformed.

6:40:54Speaker 31

If we tried to address every misstatement Right. That was made today,

6:40:58Speaker 6

you're on line. Job to address that.

6:40:59 – 6:41:20Speaker 6

Okay? Number two, is Hillwood And Power Powerhouse. Powerhouse. Are you prohibiting any other tenant from leasing space in your racks unless they're only AI? Is that is that is that Okay. So you could have some AI. You could have no AI. There was that older gentleman that came in and said he spent a year in prison. Remember, folks? And and he kinda summed it up.

6:41:20 – 6:42:02Speaker 6

The people that are streaming their videos right now, you're using a data center. When you swipe your when you swipe your when you swipe your your your debit card and your credit card, you're using a data center. So I need facts. The the last thing I'll say, mayor, I the last thing I'll say, folks, is your accusation was that the the power the power act that we're we're afraid of the power act because it's gonna take effect June no. It's not. It hasn't been voted in yet. You're talking about CARJA, a whole different act, which has to do with the battery, you know, regulations of of the battery storage and a virtual power. The act you're talking about the power, which is to be correct, which is s b forty sixteen.

6:42:02Speaker 5

Right now is not the time for comment. The councilman is speaking. We must keep a decorum, and the we must keep order in the chambers.

6:42:09Speaker 6

I'm looking at it right Jerry, I'm looking at it right here. It's in the house still. It's in committee. S b 4016 and H b 5513 have not

6:42:19Speaker 13

speak, please.

6:42:20Speaker 6

That's my final statement there.

6:42:23Speaker 15

Thank you. Say it again.

6:42:25 – 6:43:06Speaker 13

Let's close it. I do have one more quick question and it goes back to the ultimate time to build this project if it passes. And I know that there's a two year window, a one year window of if it doesn't work, it doesn't work. And then any extensions would be into a second year, which would put us at put us at 2028 to start. So the the comment made earlier was that this thing was gonna be up and running in '28, and I said I think it's gonna be beyond that if it gets approved.

6:43:06Speaker 13

So can you kinda give us a little bit better timeline on that, please, so that we do have clarity on what direction this might take and when?

6:43:15 – 6:43:45Speaker 35

Certainly. Mister Mayor, I think the the expectation we have is we hope to break ground sometime not later than early twenty seven. If you look, the project is designed to accommodate four sub campuses. So our vision is this project will be built out by sub campus. So if we start by '27, we deliver the first sub campus or the first quarter of it in '28, and we continue to build out the the majority of the site through, as you said, 3132.

6:43:47Speaker 13

So with regard to water use, you only have started with one phase of it.

6:43:54Speaker 13

It will not be the water use that would be to the completion.

6:43:58Speaker 35

Correct? Our plan right now. That's correct.

6:44:07 – 6:44:44Speaker 8

I have a question for him. I I really honestly don't know if this is for you, the city manager, the mayor, whoever wants to answer this, but this is probably the most important thing I'm gonna say tonight. The development agreement, which I did read, just so everybody knows, I read every word of this development agreement, references a $100,000,000 in community benefits agreement. Yeah. The language describing how those funds can be used is very broad stating they may be used for direct expenses related to the data center and in just indirect expenses related to the data center.

6:44:44 – 6:45:45Speaker 8

Given that the project will be primarily impacting residents in District 5, an area that has historically faced disinvestment, can somebody explain what commitments have been made to ensure that that District 5 will receive a good portion of these funds? For example, will the city commit to using a substantial portion for the long standing identified needs of District 5 residents, such as a grocery store, improving neighborhood lighting, repairing sidewalks, fixing local roads. This is extremely important to me. I voted on a cannabis cannabis for the cannabis tax dollars and yet have any commitment other than putting it into the general fund. So whoever wants to answer that for me, if my district is the greatest impact and my district had been the least invested in, is my district gonna see and benefit if we all do whatever we decide to do?

6:45:45Speaker 8

That's what I wanna know.

6:45:46Speaker 42

So as far as the

6:45:47 – 6:46:30Speaker 3

community benefits are concerned, this council will decide how that's been. We we've we've we've heard from all of our council members that sidewalks and especially from you, Susanna, sidewalks are important, streets are important. Those are the things that we're highlighting right away, but it will really be up to the council to talk to your constituents and that's how we can talk about how we want it spent. So, yes, your 5th District has been it hasn't hasn't received all the investment, and that's something that the mayor and I are committed to, I think, with the city council.

6:46:30 – 6:46:56Speaker 8

Thank you. Thank you so much. I have one other statement, and I just wanna make it get it out of the way now. Over the past several months, I've dedicated myself to listening listening closely to the voices of voices, excuse me, of the residents of District 5, which I've had the honor to serve. I've been gathering input, understanding concerns, and weighing various perspectives to ensure my decisions reflect the needs and desires of our community.

6:46:56 – 6:47:27Speaker 8

I want to acknowledge that the proposed initiatives will bring numerous union jobs to our city, which is an important factor in economic growth and stability. I also want to affirm my strong support for unions. They have historically fought for fair wages, safe working conditions, and workers' rights. I have voted with union representatives on many occasions standing in solidarity with their efforts. I also wanna take I wanna thank the staff for their tireless work.

6:47:27 – 6:48:00Speaker 8

This here is a decision that I do not take lightly, and I am over the top, extremely wonderful to staff. So I just wanna point out for the city manager to make it sound like me asking questions that my residents wanna hear answered is anything less than me getting my questions answered or some kind of an attack on the staff. Get out of here with that. I've lived in Joliet my entire life. Everybody that knows me knows whether I agree with them or whether I disagree with them.

6:48:00 – 6:48:40Speaker 8

I was taught something called radical hospitality. I am full blooded Italian. You have to do something pretty bad to me for me to attack anyone. However, at the end of the day, my primary obligation is to the residents of this city and it is their voices that guide my action of this vote. I believe a balanced approach could be one that fosters economic development while respecting the concerns of the community and that is essential. I wanna thank you for allowing me, trusting me as your representative. I remain committed to working tirelessly for all of the best interest of the residents. Thank you. God bless.

6:48:42Speaker 30

I I think it's time to close. Close the hearing. Close. Yeah.

6:48:47Speaker 4

Mister Kloddick.

6:48:48Speaker 2

Okay. You I'm excuse me. Excuse me. It's not time for public comment right now.

6:48:54Speaker 52

Percent of it. Why are we

6:48:55Speaker 48

building Can we have her

6:48:57Speaker 2

excuse me. It's not time for public comment right now.

6:49:00Speaker 3

Can you please proceed with the meeting?

6:49:05Speaker 2

We're gonna close the public hearing at this time.

6:49:07Speaker 93

There's still time for council comments. So let the record show that the public hearing is now closed.

6:49:16Speaker 2

Oh, there's no no more council comments?

6:49:20Speaker 8

I have one. Just one. Go ahead.

6:49:23Speaker 26

No. No. No. Go ahead.

6:49:24 – 6:50:06Speaker 8

I do wanna say that I think it is really disgusting that there was Okay. No Spanish language at all. No. None of everything that was put out was not in Spanish language. I think that is disgusting. I think that is a disgrace to the residents. Read the room. We have a lot of Spanish speaking folks here in the city of Joliet. And when I did ask about this, I was told things like it's easy to translate. Translate. All of your phones have a translator. YouTube even has a translator. That is different from your local government meeting you where you're at and putting out information in Spanish. That that is the end of my comments. Thank you.

6:50:12 – 6:50:50Speaker 104

Yeah. I'll be very brief. I just wanna thank city staff, Hillwood, and Powerhouse for your presentation. I did go to the open house. I did go I was here for the planning meeting. It it went very long just like tonight. I wanna thank all the residents, everybody that sent me a a, you know, a phone call, email, text, few 100 at least. I wasn't able to get back to everyone, but I do take it very serious. This is very serious decision. I believe Hillwood and Powerhouse, they they talked about the electric, the water, the sound.

6:50:50 – 6:51:13Speaker 104

There's no trucks going in here except for, you know, the construction part. You know, we're gonna have union jobs. We're gonna have 700, 600 permanent jobs. Again, I heard I I listened to what everybody said. I listened. I took it very serious. I do wanna thank the residents for coming out, like I said, for all the emails. But but at this point, I I believe this is a good project, and I and I'm gonna support it.

6:51:14Speaker 21

Okay. Closing. Closing.

6:51:18Speaker 40

be tight on the boat.

6:51:21Speaker 82

Yep. She already knows. Okay.

6:51:22Speaker 2

Okay. Is there a motion to approve council memo number 178Dash26 public hearing?

6:51:29 – 6:51:57Speaker 5

Oh, no. Yeah. Still had another comment. Like I said, I mean, I know everybody's tired. It's a long night, but I did have a question because a resident had reached out to me and we spoke about it. And honestly, I I said I wasn't sure and I would ask. So I think this one's gonna be for the city manager or for staff. SB Freeman, the third party that we hired, they do not have any interest with or any financial gain or interest with the developer. Correct?

6:51:58Speaker 3

Correct. Everyone that the city hired was third party that could help us evaluate the information and make sure that it was accurate.

6:52:07 – 6:52:49Speaker 5

Thank you. That's just one of the that kinda proves more of our point that how fast misinformation is spreading. You know? At the same time, like, I get it sharing a Facebook post doesn't know it doesn't always mean that it's the correct stuff. You know? When, this resident talked to me about it, I honestly acted. I was like, if that's true, that that's horrible. We should not be doing this. Right? Yes. It was disclosed into our website. To my other comments, I

6:52:49Speaker 39

am Councilman. Yep. It's now run over

6:52:52Speaker 30

to the next day, so the state law prohibits us from having a hearing today.

6:52:56Speaker 5

The hearing's closed.

6:52:57Speaker 97

Look. Yeah. We're going

6:52:58Speaker 3

to do it sometime. Wrap

6:53:01Speaker 6

comments Right. And

6:53:02Speaker 2

we can not have to bring you

6:53:07Speaker 5

What's it? Well, we're it's already midnight.

6:53:10Speaker 3

Yeah. Wrap up. Please say what you wanna say, and then the council and let nobody else have your

6:53:17Speaker 6

I I don't know

6:53:18Speaker 81

if anybody else

6:53:18 – 6:53:45Speaker 5

is gonna speak. I wanna thank everyone that's here. You know, your voices are not unheard. Whether we agree or disagree, doesn't there's a whole bunch of other people that also have sent those emails, calls, said, hey. I support it. Just keep in mind, do smart development where you have control of it. We can still block their permits. We can turn off their water. There's a lot of things that are still

6:53:50Speaker 5

Look, I I get it's not time for back and forth. At the end the day, I thank you for your time. I really appreciate you guys coming here.

6:53:58Speaker 3

Okay. At this time, clerk, will you please read the recess

6:54:02 – 6:54:20Speaker 2

and reconvene on Thursday morning. Yeah. Yeah. So notices hereby given that the March will reconvene on Thursday, 03/19/2026 at 9AM in the City Hall Council Chambers. Members

6:54:20Speaker 64

of the public are welcome to attend. Can

6:54:26Speaker 13

we explain why that is?

6:54:28Speaker 8

Why can't we vote tonight?

6:54:29Speaker 6

Okay. What's state law? I'm in there.

6:54:31Speaker 13

Can we explain that this is by state law? We cannot convene on election day.

6:54:45Speaker 6

Can can we consider a different time? Because I do agree. Can can we do the vote at 05:30 in the afternoon? I agree. Formal meeting.

6:54:53Speaker 15

Yeah. Let's do it in that

6:54:59Speaker 5

Is there any you'd have to

6:55:01Speaker 71

No. We're recessing.

6:55:03Speaker 15

Both of them. Well,

6:55:04Speaker 3

we don't have to. We can adjourn. We've got plenty of time for the notice.

6:55:07Speaker 6

Right. Mhmm. Can we do 05:30 on Thursday?

6:55:26Speaker 5

All in favor?

6:55:29Speaker 2

Do we have a motion?

6:55:33Speaker 2

in favor? Aye. We'll reconvene Thursday, the nineteenth at 05:30.

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