Planning & Zoning Commission - Regular Meeting

Hi everybody. Hello. Hi. Hi, Steve. Hi. All right, we're gonna call it. Yeah. So, he should be calm. I think he's appreciative now of the work that Chairman Steve Dyer here. Ryan Green here. Mark Solinski. I spoke with Sean. It sounds like you have resolved this. If you need anything, let me know. Not the other thing. I don't think we have any public comment. Okay. Well, the public comment on items not on the agenda. I don't think so. That's fine. Seeing none. Hear none. Moving on. Approval of the minutes from last week. I motion to approve. That's fine. I'll second. That's fine. Glad you didn't abstain. I like having

I think everybody was here. I hate all in favor. I thought you were. You're totally fine. No, no problem. Yeah, he called me today. Application 9425 Green Chapel Road lots split. Uh, does this does the staff have anything comments on this? Staff is going to defer to the applicant to run through what this is and why it's necessary and all the above questions can be directed towards them. A lot split, huh? Brian work at the church. Brian is that just walked over. He said he had a set he had already made a commitment to set up a something. Oh, okay. So, you're doing I was say he's walking over from the church. I'm like I didn't know you were working. That might be where it's at.

Sorry, Jamie. No worries. I uh I know last time we talked about making sure we had more map sets to present at times. Do we am I able to plug in or otherwise I can use my computer screen? So, Jamie, you told me this ahead of time. Actually, just Yeah, we we could have utilized It was just me and Kyle holding down the fork. That's good. Until you guys got here. I didn't have a quum. I need to sign in when I come in or No. Nope. Okay. Can we adjust the minutes to show Brian got here? Yes, I will. Make sure he gets paid. You don't get paid. Only if you're on.

We're going to call him. I'm the only one that doesn't get paid. Oh, yeah. You keep missing. You missed that paycheck, didn't you? We'll get it figured out. Is that Is that it? If you got to go HR in the basement, leave a message. Yeah. Yeah. I'll get you a number to call. Yeah. Okay. If it's not ready, just keep waiting. Just keep waiting. It's got some really nice music.

Club beat. Yeah, it's a club beat. Little EDM there. Yeah. Jamie, there's a shelf that slides out on the right. I don't know if that's helpful. I think I got it plugged in. I want to see if it what I need to do to connect. It takes a minute. Okay, just give it a second. Or jiggle the cord. There you go. Oh, this worked. You got you a new one. I had to buy this myself because I their computer was Yeah, pull that shelf up. Oh,

put the stand. We can It's coming up.

We got some cool hacker. Time out. Let me No, they were on. All right, just Oh, I know. I think Hang on. Oh, there's one back on. Maybe I'll have to bring Oh my gosh. turning one off and too far away. I mean, I can I I can show you guys on my screen on my computer. It' be easier. Yeah, it's fine. Well, it looks like it's What is happening? You got to get right next to it if you Yeah, it looks like it has like It looks like it has the desktop, but it's not showing the actual Oh, interesting. You're not projecting, so you probably have it. If you want to watch Jamanji or Titan, you see that? Yeah.

Netflix came up. I said we could just watch Ace Ventura. That'd be perfect. Titanic was on there. Story of a terrible woman that um Oh, man. have to be like some I can just probably married a guy and was with him for 70 years and didn't think about him at all. Yeah. Threw a multi-million dollar gem into the ocean instead of giving it to her kids. Yeah. There's a new setting I think that you've got to allow. Oh, okay. There we go. Oh, there it is. All right. own that yet. She's a Disney villain now. Yeah. Right. Yeah. They will own it eventually. They don't know.

All right. So, there's a gag Disney for context. If you remember,

am I getting ahead of myself to I need to protocol. Okay. All right. If you remember, this area right here is where the original substation was to be uh be constructed. We did a land We're in the process of finalizing a land swap with LR to move their substation here. The new Alb company would then be acquiring this site that could then be absorbed uh into whatever gets developed here. But the big thing is the T is doing a roundabout um at Duncan Plains and Mink. So we'll clean it up and we're not going to have a sub ugly substation uh at this corner. Now, in order to legally transfer the property to LRE, we have to establish a legal parcel. And to do that, this this has to ha this square has to have legal frontage on a street. We did not have a path to getting it to Duncan Plains because Collix owns this property. Collog has granted an electric easement and a general utility easement along this site uh here, but the only way for us to establish a legal parcel right now in the short term is to do this gooseeneck down here. We looked at like having this we looked at all different goofy ways to bring it down, you know, out of should come this way. Long story short, what we're doing with LR, they need access to get in there. You can see hypothetically this roundabout that's in place. We are going to have a road that tees off here. We don't know yet exactly where this road's going to go up.

If for example, let's say one person buys these 44 acres and this 100 acres, then this road configuration might change. Or if let's say somebody buys this parcel here and then here then that road configuration could change. So at the end of the day LRE is able and willing to work with us to what's likely to happen is this road extends up. There's maybe a culde-sac here

and then LR's legal frontage will tee off somewhere in that area. Um, so we're see I mean it didn't try. So there's no frontage requirement in this district. No, it's um as far as uh there's a frontage requirement, but like a a feet. Yeah. Yeah.

Not in this district. No, it's it's similar to some of the other districts in the code that basically says it has to be wide enough to meet all the other requirements of the zoning code. I mean, we've created another flag lot in this area already there off of Mink. Um, so we've done that, but I know traditionally we're not trying to create more flag lots, but this is a little different being that it's a utility. Yeah. And we uh, you know, they're not going to have a sign here that says, you know, come to LRE's substation. or

we're going to have a I you know the likely scenario is there's a there's a road that comes up here some type of culde-sac that will get LE access here when they need it but then maybe this ease off for this user and then this user I mean this could go a million different ways if somebody buys the whole all of it then is it going all the way around it? Yeah, if somebody somebody could come in and buy this whole parcel here, including LRE, but then they might have to work with LRE to get an easement to get access, like an access easement.

Uh there could be a drive aisle or Yeah, LRE just needs to get guaranteed access to their substation. So I think that's how well currently that's all owned by the Johntown Land Company, right? Yes. And you're just what are we splitting? Because it's already split into 14 parcels. You're just trying to make it so LRE has a their own parcel. Yeah. We need to we need to establish a separate legal parcel for LRE so that we can we can do the land swap transfer and then they can start construction on their substation because uh they they want want to and have to own their little I mean square parts, right? They just need to

and they own that thing in the corner now, but they're going to move it to where that square is. Is that what you're saying? That's the LE currently owns this parcel over here. It's actually this area. It's about 10 acres and then they're going to transfer here so that they get the substation out of sight, out of mind, and then also closer to collagics to serve them. So, it's it's kind of a win-win for Coll for Collix, LRE, us and the city. seen and they just want to put and we have we have a stipulation there has to be frontage for them to put back there. Yeah. The the the I think you're right on like this goose neck is because to establish the legal frontage we can't have a parcel we can't just have a parcel here has to have street.

But if but they need to be able to get to it though. Yeah. You can't we won't allow landlock parcels basically. That's exactly it. Yeah. But eventually if the if this road connects up however wherever it goes right this will have either a connector to the road or an access easement through some of these properties. Just currently we have to run a parcel down to Green Chapel because we don't know where that road will go in the future. Right. It's not a great sol. It's not ideal but it's the best for the temporary solution so they can start construction. Well, right now there's no buyers of the other land except Johntown Land Company. Right.

That's correct. But I had a meeting today with a potential buyer from for this 44 acre site. Um I don't know if it's going to go anywhere yet, but we if somebody bought that, we

we might not need to do much with their parcel. We probably clean it up a little bit. Um, we've also showed this site to a great economic development driver um that came to us through one Columbus and Jobs Ohio last week. The two completely separate. So, I don't know which one will fall first or which one will sell first in the sequencing. Um, you know, we are generally seeing a lot of activity from biioharmaceutical. We're seeing some activity from advanced manufacturing. Data centers aren't slowing down. Um 100 acre sites seem to be very desirable right now. And we have two 100 acre sites right here that um you know those dominoes could fall at the same time.

What's the risk of it becoming landlocked? like you know if this road's temporary and someone buys another one and so I shouldn't say it's ever I shouldn't say no because it couldn't can't legally okay then I'm yeah that's yeah we couldn't but it probably won't

this will have to have access somewhere so if this if this this road's just drawn as hypothetical but there's a little more science behind it because it includes the proper radius and turnaround um But if this came up here, this area and you put a culde-sac here that maybe the front door was say the front door for this site was here, front door for this site was here and then LE would still need access up this drive. So no, but yeah. So

and it's not uncommon to have this sort of scenario in this sort of development pattern. I've handled this. I've experienced similar things like this in the past dealing with a plan development and it's it's just kind of to Jaime's point like if they knew today exactly what this would look like then this would be a non-issue. They would plat it all and be done with it. But yeah, it wouldn't surprise me if over time that boundary has to change multiple times just as the roadways are figured out and parcels are sold, things like that. Absolutely fair. Yeah. Yeah. We looked at a drawing about what if the gooseeneck came over here. Yeah. It's not ideal. No. We looked at it the opposite way as well. can't go the other way cuz anyone's got drainage coming down through there. No, no ide.

We even looked into acquiring uh some parcels along Duncan Plains to potentially give them give them access, which that didn't really work out, but making sure that they had the easement so that they could serve Duncan Plains. You could see L is that button up against Russia's property? Does he know? Mhm. Does he know? L it's too late. I guess I mean it's not nothing we can do, right? Yeah. Uh the setbacks requirements are

good there. And I think some there you can see where some folks homes are and some people might have an appetite for selling a portion of their site or the whole thing. That's so I guess in some ways I'm here not here on behalf of LE because we're establishing the parcel for them. But once the if assuming we can get this uh legal parcel passed, then we would proceed with transferring to LR. How loud is a substation? Anyone know? I mean, I know I've driven by them. There's that one a little noisy, the one over by Oregon.

Louder when it rains. I just don't Are we affecting the community that How many How many houses are there? Just one, two, three, four. That's it. Let's see. They're going to affect the people over here or over there. I mean, the substation's going in no matter what. We're just moving it from one to the next. Yeah, there's just less people probably on that corner is my guess. I mean, to the nearest house from where it's going to be, you're talking at least 750 ft. Okay, that's pretty. Yeah. So, this is not close by any means. Yeah. And in on this site, this site right here, um, drainage basically kind of wants to flow this way. So, I could see a detention pond in this area right here at some point. That's what I saw on the draft plans as well as storm water retention off to the east.

Nice pond publicly accessible right next to electricity. Uh, that one wouldn't be publicly accessible, but I guess we go. Yeah, it's too bad. Go fishing. We can still sneak in. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not going to swim in a helicopter. Yeah, but I mean there will now you as we go through the design standards, I think there's going to be opportunities for design detention ponds as uh architectural features too or setbacks in front. You see you see a mix of it. Sometimes it's behind the building, sometimes it's in front of the building. Uh at least in New Albany. So, well, I don't know. Are there additional questions?

I have no So, we're just voting on fire. There's a fire safety. Maybe they'll get to it. So, sorry. So, exactly what are we voting on? We're just voting on allowing the spreading basically voting. This is the why. Yeah. So, I'll jump in for that. So in our codified ordinance there's certain provisions that are set forth that for I call it uh not I don't even call it a lot split it's a subdivision

subdivision regulation. So all all essentially lot splits need to come before the board for approval. a lot combinations don't uh they can be handled inhouse internally. Um in different communities they're handled internally or through a board. So for Johntown's codified ordinance any lot split has to come to the board for approval. So that's why it's before you all tonight. It does meet all the uh regulations. Um in the past we've had some that that have been presented that don't meet the minimum lot requirements. Uh, so we'll give a recommendation that it obviously not be approved, right? Say that or set back.

I'm just talking about precedent because everybody will ask for flag space away from somebody else's lot. Um, they no longer have the amount of green spaces. So, we would never recommend something that would create a non-conforming or that would be out of alignment with with our qualified ordinance. This one because of its barren land and it's its conjunction with the technically this just does a lot. What Trevor said was the driveway approach has enough width to where if they needed to put a driveway in from that access they would have the appropriate amount of space. So this one does check the box very narrowly but it would check the box. Jamie, the other piece with this is um if this site were to be developed, well, that's why it has to come to the

just cross this bridge with collages, the easement area where they're looking to put the driveway on the north side and have access um street trees and things like that. Obviously, that's going to be collages burden of bear. Um but we're going to need a site plan essentially uh when LRE does decide to present a package. And there'll be sidewalk provisions as well as um street trees on the chapel side of things associated with it. Or by that time it may abut um a public street alternatively to Green Chapel and then at that point along that street it will have to have the appropriate um landscaping and setbacks and all that stuff. So

is that street going to go all the way through? Did I miss that? No. So what's happening? An access drive. So it's not but they're going to have another one from the north eventually come down. So it's an easement. Uh so it's not actually technically a part of their property. As Jamie mentioned, Collages already has ownership of that, but they're granting LE an easement access easement so that they can put in the uh the appropriate um is should we plan for a road to go all the way through ever?

So um no. What I'm drawing in red right now, this is actually the likely scenario for the planned water lines that will run along where some of the electric um easements are on Collagic's eastern boundary. There's an electric easement as well as the city an electric easement for LRE to bring their power uh to Duncan Plains and then bring it down uh to Green Chapel as they need to. Uh a has this easement in place on the southern boundary of collagics. Now, in the zoning that requires there's a significant mounding that happens here on the the border of Kogix because there's a electric easement in place. The electric easement or utility easement trumps the zoning. So then there you don't necessarily have to do all the heavy mounting but what it does it allows the city to bring water and sanitary

because what we're trying to do is create waterline loop for redundancy to loop this through this entire system. So then this waterline launch logic that was their choice go this way the ement too to service this um so everything would build built to public standard um the idea is that we would probably be fronting the money with developer bonds and then um getting reimbursed through the new community authority

but uh everything we built as public standards and then turned over to the city so but so there's utility planning it looks I this looks incred incredibly simple right now. It's almost embarrassingly simple. There's like two years of meetings that have gone into this right now because we didn't really know what we were building for for a while. We still don't necessarily know but I think based on the market demand there's a good chance that I mean there should be yeah this could develop as one site this developed as one site and this developed as one site like all economic driver industrial so it doesn't matter lane lane clearing okay correct if it's an ement of 100 ft at least in width

anybody have any more questions before I answer that you had asked about might it's expanding it is would that would that substate have to expand? Do you get your answer or Oh, no. I just But I mean 100 foot buffer is Would it ever expand with with u data centers coming in? So it's possible. I think it's very unlikely. Okay. Uh and the reason why is right now LR only has about 25 megawws to service collics for next few years. Eventually, they're going to get more power, but that 25 megawws will power Collag's first building, which will be which is planned to go in this general area.

Um, so Collog would probably be building out like any data center company around the country or particularly central Ohio right now, there's a little bit of a bottleneck for power availability and that's going to restrict them. But I think eventually as the collagic site builds out, they'll we'll probably be tapping in directly to A and we'll need to expand that substation. So it will expand. It's what? Yeah. So it it will not will not I don't Yeah, they'll tap in on the side. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Any more questions from the board? Anybody?

Nothing. No. The only Well, the only thing that I have So, in regards to the flag lot, I know we typically don't like those. Do we need to say anything here for future precedent to make sure that I mean, obviously the electrical component of this is not in the record. They could get this lot split and and do something else, but it's heavily implied that that's what it's for. So, do we need to memorialize anything in here that this is is this the proposed here when you take Okay. Right up through there and kind of zigzag.

I don't know that you all need to memorialize anything. I mean, I think I I didn't express any caution with this just mainly because it is for a power substation and to Jaime's point, it won't I won't be surprised if that flag stem changes two or three times over time as this gets developed. So, I think that I mean I just want to make sure it's captured in the minutes if Yeah, absolutely. I think that's if any of these flag lots show up tomorrow and I say no to all of them because they're not No, and I think if that was the case like if and that's not what Nico is trying to do here at all, but if they were just trying to like avoid building a new public road by subdividing a bunch of weird little I would then raise concern with that. But given that this is a basically a public utility that will be serving right around there a utility. It's not

it's not to make and there won't work. We're trying to keep We're trying to keep the sellable land as clean and open as possible. We understand that you are, but here in the next couple years as things develop, there are going to be other people that come in and try to get flag lots to make odd situations work. So, why does zigzag? Why not just straight up? Follows ownership boundaries. Mhm. But they own all the land, don't they? Yeah. But, uh, so this one company bought it. That's a good question. You look at the county. You're saying this is there's a little jog right here because if this came straight down, it would run into this existing roundabout. Would we not want it to go off? Roundabout can actually get a road.

Keep in mind that's a that's a piece of private property, not a rideway. It's a private drive. Okay, good point. Good point. Good point. Yes. If that was going to if that was intended to be a public rideway, then yes, I would say 100% line it up. But this is a private access drive. So in this case, all the more reason why it's probably going to change because that roundabout indicates a road's going to come up through there. So Oh, yeah. They own it'll let them build that access road access driveway and then when they decide to build that round that roundabout stub, they can build it without messing with that access driveway, too. Yeah. Oh, the access driveway might even come out. Oh, it will. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Yeah.

But you can do it simultaneously and both crews can work. I gota Okay. All right, with no more questions, does anybody have anything they'd like to say? I'll make a motion to approve. I'll second. Kyle Cup, yes. Ryan Heel, yes. Ryan Green, yes. DJ Dyer, yes. Thanks, Jamie. Thanks, guys. I appreciate Yeah, that's it. Thank you. All right. Draft discussions chapter 1159.

So, we can discuss this tonight and then we don't have to send this on. We can let Mark weigh in at the next one if we make some changes. You need tonight. Yeah. Or however you guys want to do it. Yeah. I was going to say I this was so I made these changes based on I think the request of this body. Um and it updated some things based on previous discussion and so basically this draft is just back before you for further discussion and yeah I did Mark send you anything at all? No. Okay. I don't know if there um

so basically just so to give a little explanation most of this is identical to what you saw this would have been several months ago at this point. What I did focus on was trying to tight I don't want to say tighten, but better define what's under that light manufacturing use because that's generally the kind of a catchall in a lot of zoning codes, but that that's a good and bad thing in some situations. So, uh it's on page 11 of 16 of the packet is where light manufacturing starts. It's in that kind of pink light red highlighting. I updated the definition and added those nine uses there to try to add some just background for you all as either staff or you all are making interpretations as to what use is allowed. Um it's kind of impossible to do an exhaustive list, but I tried to get something that was, you know, at least in the ballpark that gave you the ability to say no for things that really didn't fit, but

also the ability to say yes for things that might not be on the list, but do fit in sort of thing. M and I want to point out too that one of the changes that have been made in here would be that all uses must be conducted within an enclosed structure and that that kind of goes a long way too to even if uses kind of have the ability to create noise or things like that. At least if it's in a building it can be closed which helps. Um, so that's kind of a yes, we're opening up the allowable uses, but we're tightening down a little bit as to where they can be conducted or how they can be conducted on site. Yeah, I think and then conditional uses. I saw that crossed out a bunch. Yeah, mainly that's just because Sorry,

does that appear somewhere else? Yeah, that's fine. I I rearranged the code because it made no sense to me to have site development standards before conditional uses. It just Sorry, it bothers me. That's No, that's fine. That's what I saw. Also go to the PD district, too. So, there's going to be overlap between the PD district, but um I didn't get to go all through the PD district like I wanted to to make sure that us is transferred over, but I think we've got we've captured a lot of it. Um I've got a couple changes here and we can kind of just go through it. Um so, F1 there. Sorry, what page are you on? F1. That' be Yeah, page 10 there. Um 1159.02 O2 F1 I

I um so we're we're good with all phases of vehicle maintenance um put in like cleaning cleaning window tinning detailing all that stuff or or is that just all implied in there? I know we have some window tint shops that are here in town already. I mean we can put like it says body. I mean yeah that's really kind of up to you. I mean, I I would consider a detail shop kind of like automobile and equipment repair. You could I mean, we can add auto detailing if you feel strongly about that. It makes no difference to me, but it's a it's a minor thing, but I think generally if someone came in with that, I think that that sort of use would be permissible in this district is the intent. Yeah.

Um and then F12 nine there. So, that would be on on the next page. Um I just want to specify um where it says well actually it might be on page 12 there. So it says sheet metal and symbol or fabrication and I know it says this is a revised list expanded there. You had to comment on it but yeah I just want to make sure that they weren't manufacturing the actual sheet metal and it's just the fabrication of the sheet metal so to define that a little bit better. Yeah. So um that's a whole different factory. Correct. That's a foundry. Correct. boundary.

If you look at if you look at the definition number 12 on page 11 at the bottom number 12 the first in the definition packaging of pro or sorry design assembly finishing processing and packaging of products without the processing of raw materials. So in that case if you're taking whatever iron ore and you're trying to produce sheet metal out of it that's that is not an appropriate use. If you're taking rolls of sheet steel and you're bending it producing something out of it and shipping it out the door that would be an okay use. Okay. Yeah.

Yeah. Because I was just trying to think I mean I was just trying to think of different as we look at this. I'm trying to picture places I've seen before. I know like in Kosakan there they have that that one facility that does I think it's just a rolling. Honestly that's not that bad but it probably makes a lot of noise. It's out in the middle of nowhere for a reason. So I wanted to make sure that if we are fabricating sheet metal we're cognizant of the noise and the smell um in the processing of that. So I wanted to make sure we defined that as best as we could. Yep. um because we don't want to inadvertently end up with some sort of foundry. Um so F15 there. So plant nursery.

Um how far do we expand into that as far as uh mulch, stone, soil sales? That's I mean I put that in there as I felt it was reasonably appropriate in terms of like impact, traffic, smell, noise, things like that. I don't I don't have a good answer for that in terms of other than dropping a definition there to to kind of define what you do and don't want involved. Um but I would appreciate input on that before I just Yeah, I think in the dark.

I think it depends on the square footage because like yeah, you have plant nurseries that you have like Willlets Nursery and Potascal. It's not that invasive, but then you go to like Acorn that's over there in Westerville and we may or may not want that over there. So I I wanted to just see what you guys thought about definitions on that. Or if we just needed to put it somewhere else in there of Where's Acorn? Is that the one off of like you said Westville? Is that right off Warthingington Road near Polaris? That big one? That was there a long time ago. Well, yeah. And that that was there when that area was undeveloped and nobody cared about plant like down the

But we have, you know, if you get a large site, I doubt we're going to get anything that expansive. But if you go there off of what is that off of Cleveland Avenue or Westerville Road there where they have So is that Ohio mulch that's over there by Carson? Yeah. So I would I would classify them differently. So the nursery, which I'm I'm assuming is is a place where actually the the plant is the focus of of the product. So when I hear mulch and all the other components, I don't consider that a plant nursery. I consider that more of a retail mulch outlet stone. Um you're not Yeah, I wouldn't want to be manufacturing. I think of nursery, I think of what's happening on Acorn. Yeah, I think

I just wanted to see what everybody's in the room is thinking before we go down that road. I read Maybe I'm reading it wrong. Does everything have to be enclosed? I guess that's a good point, too. Yeah. In this case, everything has to be enclosed, then the nursery can't get that big. That's true. If everything's in a greenhouse. Yeah. So, then it's fine. Yeah. Okay. I had no problem with it when I read it like that. Like the ones out. That's a great point. And I think too if you wanted to limit it a little further. So which keep in mind like retail sales are not permitted in this district. So like but if you wanted to if you wanted to put in that definition or just a requirement of that use that

the like that no retail to the general public is permissible. However like wholesaling can occur. You know if they're going to load up 15 trees that's that's my question. 15 trees on one truck and it leaves. But there's you don't have people in their minivans and pickups showing up every Saturday and Sunday. That's kind of different in my opinion. So, so Trevor, could I jump off that? So, the the one after that I actually have a note in mine. Number four, it says retail and full sale of products manufactured on

manufactured on site. So, for me, my recommendation for that was going to be um if you wanted to allow it retail and wholesale, you could put it as an ancillary to the primary. That way, it would represent the manufacturing of something. And let's say it was a window manufacturer and they wanted to wholesale some kind of sales out of there. If the board saw that that was that was one of my questions. I'm I'm 100% good with that because that too. When I think of these types of facilities around Columbus kind of what we have over there and what we could have there usually is some sort of commercial sales component out of that.

But you want it to be secondary to the primary. So it may alleviate the nursery because that would that would drive that's probably their primary piece of it. They're they're engaging in some type of retail. Obviously, I don't even know that you could constitute growing the product there. A lot of what happens at Acorn is they're shipping it in. Yeah. And and that is all packaged in a pot or in a burlap sack. So, for me, the production is not actually there. Now, if they wanted to have like out of baker's acres, they actually do grow uh from seed inside of a garden. um or if it's or if it's a tree um situation, which that's not going to happen there cuz the property value is going to be Yeah. Yeah.

I'm good either way, but mostly I just wanted to avoid a threestory tall mulch mound. Oh, no. That's And honestly, like now that I'm thinking about it, that's what I want to know. I toss that use in there, but realistically the only keeping in mind that the only place that any of these uses could even be implemented are right there along Commerce Boulevard. I don't really know that that's kind of also the use that you all want out there. Like to me in thinking about this now and having this conversation, it kind of makes more sense to just take that use out. Yeah, you can nix it. We take plant nursery out. But we don't where where's Almond Digger fall? Oh, they're way outside the city limit. No, not so this district, if you pull this up, this is um that's a good point because you're kind of coming in at the You're you're at the three quarter mark of this conversation, right? Right. Right.

Um I need a place of reference. Right. Yeah. So basically the only the way this is written is in the background behind it is there's a lot of this LM zoning not just along Commerce Boulevard but there's also some like near and in downtown and that sort of thing. So the whole impetus behind this was how can we expand and make the properties along within the industrial park more more appealing better utilized things like that

but but let's not expand all of those use necessarily like into downtown sort of things. So that's why this is written in a way that there's a 2acre limit and they have to be adjacent to Commerce Boulevard. So that was that was the rationale behind it and so trying to keep it keep that balanced with um expand just expanding some uses overall because the current code is very limiting. So we're not going down. Okay. This is the LM light manufacturing. Everything out here is well there's a little light manufacturing but

some of that's been replaced actually. Yeah. It's a completely separate zoning. So, the light manufacturing that currently exists today is this gray area. This hole here is is a meer. We won't get into that. But the area that Trevor is referencing and it's stated uh and it's demarcated by roadways and I think it's commerce greenapes there. Yeah. And I don't believe we included this one for purposes.

Yeah, we didn't include endeavor. Yeah. it would open up this here for a lot of other uses and get you all the way caught up. Concern being there is a huge problem with transportation here. If we were to allow something here that that had a high number of employment or truck traffic, it would it would hinder this more than it already is. And this is a sizable amount of space. So, if this were all to be manufacturing, now we've we've made a problem even worse. So, what we're trying to do is open up the uses in these areas,

but not unlocking this. This still has some really really restricted and limitations on what that can be used for. That creates a an opportunity for a conversation to exist. Uh we just had this site here. um the use was not permitted within the uh the codified ordinance and so what the body and the council did was they made a text amendment to allow for that particular use. So if this parcel was to be suggested for some type of use they would have to come in bring in a tax amendment

more than likely a specific use they could request traffic studies impact studies and things like that. So that gets you maybe at least a little bit caught up, but really the area that we're referencing right now is just for the areas that are on Commerce, Greenscapes, and 62. Okay. Yeah. And nothing to do with the old LMS because I know that's that's Yeah, this down here. So it has to be over a twoacre parcel. Okay. Um so that was the other piece. This would have some availability um because it is off 62. So this would unlock anything here that would be a twoacre parcel, which would be this, maybe this, and this. So that would have some availability to do that. Some ordinances there is some risk vulnerability there

but there's already established building. So that would need to be have right. Yeah. Right. And is that I would tell you plan flips to and like plan neighborhood or village. Yeah. I heard at one point they wanted to put like a bus stop in there or something. Right. Yeah. Way that was like Yeah. That's I will tell you that that's the case or 62, right? That's listed as 62. Crushed and killed beaten to death. All right, that makes sense. All right, thank you very much. I don't know why we're not opening up. No, it's fine. It's just one you want to copy in there. So, it's fine.

Any other comments? Well, it just says Oh, yeah. On 101, it says a small scale craft brewer distillery. What's considered small scale? Is that defined somewhere? That's a good question. I'm going to go back and double check that because I pulled this from like a nationwide publication from like the American Planning Association. So, I need to go back and see there may need to be like a square footage attached to that because I think in some like licensed manufacturing establishment that's obviously handled by the state. But in terms of if we want to have 125 there a limitation on that we certainly can. Yeah. We don't want an Hydra going there. Right. Right. Right. Truck traffic. So the woo.

There you go. The only other one I had, Trevor, if the board's agreeable, is uh 115903 F. And that was uh cleaning up this. We don't we no longer have any storage units. I got really expensive on it. Ford and all that business. Sorry, where's that? I was at uh 115903 conditional uses. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So back in the the dawn of light manufacturing whenever they instituted this they gave a carveout for individual public commercial storage units provided such units are located in these boundaries associated with it. We will never get

to my knowledge Kyle you can probably chime in. I am unaware of any public storage units within these associated boundaries. Pratt Street, Ford Street. So, are you I think at this time we can remove it at some time. There was something there. I have it on my list here to be removed too. I don't have it. I don't have We don't have any now that we have to memorialize and I don't want to see any new ones. Well, and even if we change the even if you make this change to the code now, any of them that are there, let's say that one's in there and you just forgot about it, it can still continue to operate non-conform. just won't be able to be expanded or if it

well because what'll happen is like today the trailer park is is multifamily but it's a trailer park so it's not a lot of people but tomorrow if they want to build something in there and a council and zoning that is not any of us just says okay have at it then all of a sudden you're going to they're going to want to build storage right up next to that as soon as you know I had a mark next to that too so I'm I agree I'm about me um and then so I have an addition addition there on F um for 17 um be my addition here would be F17. Oh yeah.

Um sports facilities including indoor field space, batting cages, golf simulations, sports courts, workout facilities, and skating rinks. Um because I've seen a lot of these business parks in other places in Columbus where you might get an indoor you get an indoor field for lacrosse or football or something, you know, something cool. We get batting cages. I've seen DBAT go into a lot of places. Yeah, you are. No, he's he's making his own. Yeah, this would be adding another. I'm with him on that cuz I wanting to open up one of those things so bad. Everybody in town does. You could kill it.

Do you want some type of my recommendation have some type of I think defined piece that doesn't allow for I think what you all are referencing I think is is going to be fine, but transportation could be an issue. So, if you have a sports complex that hosts football games, soccer games, something along those lines. Uh you're going to have to make it just a practice facility basically. Yeah, I think you need to put something in there that doesn't have it be I think that we could always put it as a conditional use. You can do that. Yeah, you could do that.

It's going to be under more scrutiny or we or we have severe definitions in the parking code of what that would have to look like. My concern with that is when you try to get into mixing. Well, when you when you say you can use it for practice, but you can't use it for a tournament, it's hard to you're not gonna police that. Well, a as a city, it's hard to enforce and b like from a legality standpoint, it's kind of splitting hairs. Like, what's it matter if a car is going to pick someone up for practice or if they're going to pick someone up from a tournament? It's a car going to a building to a It's more that the that more people come to watch it. Spectator. I understand that. But from a from a regulation standpoint, we have something in here for traffic study though. You do have that and that would still a certain threshold you do have to do a traffic study

and that would be regardless whether it's practice professional whatever it still requires traffic times change for the traffic if they change their business we can enforce the traffic study. So the way this is written is any new building over 20,000 square feet requires a traffic study or a change of use. So, let's say that like uh someone's in the old 31 like the paint people that are going in 31 GIFs. They want to they're in there for 5 years and they want to change that out and someone else is going to go in there because that building's over 20,000 ft. They will be required to come in and do a traffic study. I love the idea. I don't think I want it there. So, the square foot of a football field is 57,000. Anything like that's going to trip that $20,000 20,000. I I'm probably in your camp.

Yeah. I mean, I think it's a great idea, but I think right there, especially right now, I don't want to open up that can of worms. Let's That's PD history stuff. I mean, we do have some We don't have a I don't think we have a 50,000 square foot facility in there, but probably not. I bet there is 50,000 be able to have a football field with some almost 200,000. I think it's more likely. I think it's more likely we get a DBAT. Like if you've seen those DAG, have you seen those places? Debb, the batting atrium building 4 million feet. It's 200. You know what I'm talking about, right? 64,000 800 264,000 ft. Oh, okay. Okay. It's

that's you can put we have three football fields in there plus think about the your use types. Um you got your intermingling of of different types of uses. Um that's where I'm getting hung up. Well, why would they go there instead of somewhere else? Is it cheaper there? Probably not. I'd say not. Yeah, because industrial property covered in this. But they are putting them in in industrial areas. They do. Yeah. Like over been to lock everywhere. Yeah. Powell. Yeah. They're all industrial buildings. City. Interesting. Lacrosse thing over there. I'm cool with it. They're I'm fine with it, but the traffic studies just

can you enforce it? Like what do they do? What did they say? They say we're going to have this many customers period or this many customers these hours. No. No. So a traffic study does not is not necessarily based on what information is told like from an applicant to the engineer that would do it. An engineer is going to use the IT, the Institute of Transportation Engineers. They have a guide that says a grocery store of X amount of square footage is pretty much guaranteed to generate this number of trips per day. So they will use similar facility types and data that's been collected from across the country to to evaluate the traffic impacts of something like that. Could we just make it as a you may have already been said just make it a conditional use. I mean Ryan recommended that. Yeah, that's what I said. Certainly do that. Do it as a conditional use because then it'll go through an added level of screws,

but we're not ruling it out. saying it has to fit has to fit the neighborhood and and that's what the cup process is for is specifically for that for uses that kind of makes sense but might need a little extra scrutiny. That's exactly what the CUP process is for. So that makes sense to me maybe. And there's a big difference between doing a small batting cage and some golf simulators and then trying to have, you know, a whole sports facility, right? I I agree with that. Yes. Yeah. So I think you're light manufacturer and you're looking at $12 a square foot. I say put it as conditional use at a minimum. Yeah. I have no idea on that. That's kind of the going rate out there now. It's about 12 bucks a square foot and higher. It's pretty expensive.

Yeah. So, you might get 10. Okay. How many empty lots are available out there? Are there any empty lots? Um, looking on the auditor's website, there are a few. Um, but honestly there's really only I think there's structures on almost all of them. I think there are. Yeah. It's hard to tell when you're driving around in there cuz there's signs up and then there's fields but you can't tell what's what.

No, I actually adjacent to that. No, there would be no truly vacant lots. I think there's enough space on a couple of lots where you might get some expansions potentially, but not I don't really think you're going to see a lot of groundup construction unless for example something happens on the the tech parcels if they decide to sell or aggregate or something, you know, do something different. You know, something I don't know. No, not at all. No, as far as the parcels that change hands over because if they're selling it, you know, no, but just thinking future plans like that would be an area where you could maybe like aggregate enough parcels to do something new. But obviously that would be a pretty major shift in Oh yeah, especially after the build that they're doing, you know. They're good.

Yeah. The parcels off of green space is there do you know the average size of those? Um so the ones that have like where the I would imagine they turn over at a higher rate than the others as businesses I would I think you're probably right there. I mean, parcels. So, if you're going to get a well, just the the buildings that are going to get a batting cage or something, somebody might move into one of those because it's it's not cost prohibitive. Those A&E properties, the ones where a newer building was proposed, they're about 35,000 square feet a piece. You could get something like that into one of those

potentially. The only issue you're going to have there is is parking. So typically if you have a little 10,000 square feet, you got a little workshop, little guys, maybe five guys coming in working, you throw in a 10,000 square feet batting cage, something like that. You're going to have 20 people coming in, maybe 10, 15. It could be a parking situation. Um, so they may not meet the the threshold for parking, but it would be a conditional use. So you guys I would be fine as What about like um those CrossFit places? Is that in there? Would that be? So I had you that would that would not be permissible as drafted. However, but

I had workout facilities that I listed in there because I had indoor field space, batting cage, golf simulator, sport court, workout facility, skating rink. I I'll just say I think a lot of that comes down to kind of preference of what you all want because I think uses like that are kind of challenging at time. They can come to us and ask too if they want to add it because a lot of times like yeah you'll get weird uses that pop up in the kind of smaller industrial spaces that are kind of like it kind of makes sense but kind of why are you here sort of I think I think too like we're not going to see a gym probably come in and say I want to buy two acres to put a gym there. Yeah. Most likely not. So, I mean, it's okay to allow that to be done inside the building that's going to take up the, you know, Yeah.,

but I don't think we need to list every single thing. And it just, that's my opinion. I'm I like it. Okay. So, we're going to put that under that will fall. Yeah, that will fall under the conditional use. Okay. Section. Yep. I'm good with that. Um and then I had Okay, so strike the storage we did that.

Um so then 115903. So this would be G or H, however it falls. Um I was talking about equipment rental facilities. Um I know that we had light engine repair in there. So, I was thinking something like a Buckeye Power Store if that wanted to go into there or like John Deere dealership, some, you know, tractor dealership, something like that. Um, yeah,

we could put that under conditional use because obviously we want everything to remain in the building, but if you look at most of those locations, they do have most of their tractors inside. Not the ones I go to, and I go to a lot of them because we repair the tires. I mean, most of them have all the stuff outside extended and out and display because that's what they want people to see. That one that's there in New Albany. They like things. That's what I'm saying. If we say if we say you got to keep them all inside the facility. Yeah. I mean, I I'm not opposed to it. I just don't think that we're going to attract anybody.

Which one are you talking about? New Albany. So, if you go to the John Deere dealership in New Albany, they have some stuff outside that's like they have like an L-shaped face. I wouldn't consider that like manufacturing, though. In my mind, that's that's more retail. They've got an office and retail. Yeah. Yeah. So, we talked about small engine repair in here. So, if you have a small engine repair, you may want to you may want to have mowers for sale or implements or something like that. And that's I I mean yeah that's at wholesale though, right?

Well I think the way it's written I mean retail or wholesale of products manufactured on site. I don't know that I would again this kind of come down to splitting hairs but like you can certainly write a code this way but I don't know like do you care if someone only sells things that were made on site or do you care if they sell a lawnmower that they fix that someone like I don't I don't like I don't have an opinion on that. Hey, if you keep it inside the facility, I don't really mind. And that's the way it's written is everything must be I think that the idea was to create a uh code that was attractive. I don't think that we need to think of everything that needs to go in there because we can still have people come to us and ask us for conditional use. That's true. True.

And I don't I mean there's certain things like that. I don't want it to become a retail space. That's just again my opinion. Um, no, I think that's fair because I part of the reason that this was brought up to was that there is limited industrial space in the community and so let's try to preserve that and open up the door for other employment based uses is the general direction I was given. So I think that we've seen people do it here like Stigler. I mean their stuff is all inside. So they're doing they're doing the mower repair and all their mowers are inside. Thorp did it where all of his mowers were inside and he did the repair. So correct. If that's not Buckeye Power and the stuff that you were talking about, I Yeah. Yeah. I just want to have

mostly I just want to open this space up to try to get more uses in there, try to spur a little economic development. If somebody graduates from, you know, one of the small repair shops that they have here and they want a bigger facility and there's one open, um, you know, they could move their repair shop into there and still sell some tractors out of there or something. Well, and then I go back. What's small again? And that definition is repair or services for small equipment. What's the definition of small? Small equipment typical I think it says mowers in there. Um I don't have it right here in front of me. I have to say household appliances, lawn maintenance equipment, or similar items. Okay. I think Kyle's touching on a good point.

It gets junky away from I think Kyle's jumping on a good point. Um and a concern that I Are we blending retail in with with the industrial? And and I'll go a step further. I think it has some mixing of uses could be problematic sometimes. The other thing that I'll bring up is going off of Trevor. This area is meant to drive employment and drive tax revenue for the city.

Y retail typically doesn't get that done. So you're going to incorporate more retail area which is limiting now your potential for manufacturing jobs that produce more revenue and more income. So, what you may have is retail flipping from its traditional spaces into a manufacturing area because the rents are a little bit cheaper and then now all of a sudden you've cannibalized your own business park and the intended employment base is no longer there. Well, on that note, I I would even be okay taking out manu like uh taking out anything that has to do with mechanics altogether because I mean ultimately I never thought of that as a place to where we would put auto repair.

Now I I have been to big body shops and I've you know the ones that that would go into something like that and yes they can be nice but most places that you get you you got tons of broken down cars in the front lot. They can't be pulling those inside. Yeah. you know, to repair them. So, I actually think we're going down a road that I would take out all together. Yeah, I wouldn't want to see a bunch of cars outside, but I mean, definitely the auto body places. And I mean, those guys that work in an auto body shop, they're getting paid. So, but what if I want to repair tires? Can I do that in an auto body shop? Then what am I going to do with the tires? Because we already got that right over there, right? You're going to stack them outside. Now, we do have rules in here as far as

Sure. But then we're eliminating them from a possibility of being there anyways. We're going to make it tough on them, right? Yeah. So, they're not going to want to be there. I'm saying I would just take it out. Take out auto repair all together. Yeah. Small engine auto repair maintenance. But if you had like a Safe Light or somebody who want to do windshields or something like that and they do them fully enclosed and I mean like there's there's a lot of niche businesses like that that they work with. Still park in the car outside. I don't have to tell you. You know,

I agree. But yeah, if you want to get into like body shops, that's still going to be messy. You're still going to have junky cars sitting out front. Now, I I don't care. That's just my opinion. You know, ultimately, I don't think it's going to look great, and it's not what we're look going for here. Um, yes, if you want to do a safe light, then you can put in window repair because window repair, you typically don't always have a smashed up car because it's after the body shop gets done fixing it and then you get the window repair. But yeah, there's definitely a line. I think he said it a few times. We're splitting hairs over adding too much. Yeah. You know, and I think but yeah, I

and I know there's different sizes of buildings like, you know, the Ohio pack building is a much different clientele than when you go off Greenscapes and there's those smaller shops back there because that's never going to be mass manufacturing of any kind just because of the size that those shops are. So that's where you're going to have somebody who wants to put space versus we find a lot of incubator it's like trying to fill up the space and the A&E properties I think it's that's what it looks like yeah the A&E properties the ones Ryan referencing it's usually conducive to incubator business where there businesses starting out and that's a small spot for them but then they start to grow so having those incubator spaces available for them is helpful um

well sorry Steve go ahead uh this discussion got me back to the sports place. I do want those sports places there, but now I'm thinking about number of employees. So, wait a minute. So, we're good spot for it, right? We are now friends again. I know, but the amenity the value to the city, which I mean, I get that, but I think it's cool. It is, but it doesn't Maybe that's for city council. Basically, it's a big storage. We're zoning, right? the job is for that area to be successful and bring an income to the city and be look nice and potentially not to derail this conversation but I think to it is um it's tough

integrating that sort of use with some other sort of retail or restaurant uses makes a little more sense to me other than like do you really want your industrial park to become a destination is a question right and like I think the answer to that is no however I agree with you Ryan that those are kind of unique entertainment opportunity that are new and kind popping up. So, why preclude it? I mean, if we had and here's what it is, too, because you're going to have cycles of the market. So, you may end up with a with a long-term vacancy. That's true. But I think one of those somebody brings a football field in there or, you know, an athletic space. The problem is those have to be custom built. Like you're not even in even Axium might have a 32 foot clear height, that's not anywhere near enough to do like that's barely enough to do basketball much less like football and stuff like that. So, they're going to want an alcohol permit and then

Well, and that's the part of it too. They're stuff like that will probably want food. They'll want to do food. don't want to do it. Like that's where they make money, right? If I buy an alcohol permit somewhere else though, I can bring it here. So I I can see both sides of it. I think that there are probably at the end of the day better locations for that sort of use. However, you all are interested in including it. Yeah. All right. Good stuff. Strike it. Leave it. I think I I was all for it and I came to every meeting trying to fight for that, but now I'm not. Now he's done. He just realized like what it's not gonna it's not gonna it's not the best place for it. I really want to hear but that's you want high density workforce in that area.

Yeah. It's not it's not the best place for it. Well, except for we don't want high density workforce in the area because we're worried about No, you want highly qualified. What do you what do you really want in skilled labor? Like we choke it to death. So it's a housing development or like No, I think in this case like like a tech tire. The impetus then we don't want to then we don't want to develop the other portion of it. So I mean I don't know.

No, I think the impetus for this was like we know the traffic issue is real at 37 to 62 in downtown. If we're going to make that worse, let's be very selective about making sure the city gets something out of that at least, I guess, is where is kind of where my head's at with that is yes, sure, you might introduce more traffic out there, which has always been a uh don't do it. But in this case, would you rather have someone bring 15 or 20 decent paying jobs or have 10 people that work there mainly on the weekend that at a minimum wage because they're retail employees basically and then you're dealing with a lot of people potentially from outside the community tuning into there making your issues worse. Like those are the sorts of things that go around in my head when I'm writing these regulations is sure you're you have the chance here to exacerbate that problem slightly, but again at least the city's getting an economic return out of that. And we know that 80% of the traffic that comes through the city doesn't stay here. It just passes through.

It does. Yeah. So, I mean, knowing that you have to have a traffic problem before anybody will help you repair it. But I don't know. Hard to reinvent the wheel at a zoning meeting. But so, so I would say my opinion on it would be up for debate, right? And this is what you're saying. It's under it would fall. It's under conditional use. It's under conditional use. We don't need to write it into the thing. Let's not stress ourselves. Well, yeah. But now we're on to small engine or paramechanical, too. And just for Brian, so if it's written in as a conditional use, it's implied that it's allowed. Yeah.

And so if it's something you don't necessarily want to do, then I would say remove it. Now, to Kyle's point, there's no there's no um there's nothing preventing someone that has an idea to come in and say, "We want to do a tax amendment." Yeah. And and there is a path and it happens it happened this year. Um so, it is an opportunity. So if somebody does come in and it creates the right thing, if they had the small engine repair or the sports complex or whatever the case may be, um allowing for those things still has a path, but writing it in may may signal something different than what you all are want.

So we can still we can still approve it if want to come in and build a big dome. You mean if they want to if they want to come in, they can come in and ask. It's just less likely they will if they don't if they don't see it. Ultimately, there were two things that we were looking at doing with a, you know, a restructure of this, uh, with the light manufacturing was to encourage better usage out there other than pottery and Yeah. tannering. Tannering, whatever it is, stable building, you know, anything like that, bone crushing. Yes. Yes. Uh and then to also to protect the small area of light manufacturing that butts right up against residential because we didn't want tannery battery or something like that going in there or automotive repair

or automotive repair. So it was just kind of one to protect the area that was near residential and to open up commerce in a way that's more attractive to people. So I think that that what is here is is good. Um, I don't I didn't see anything that needed to be added, but I appre I do I hear you like I'm not saying that you're wrong in doing that, obviously. Um, but those were the two reasons that we were going after this. I'll jump in to get a conclusion. Yeah,

I'll toss them out there and then you guys can say leave it, add it, whatever the case may be. So, we'll start with the easy one. I believe I heard you say remove automotive repair. That's what I said, but I don't know what General and I don't know if the rest of the board was in agreement or at least a majority. I'm in agreement. Got I know. For me, it's where you draw the line because you could have a body shop that does generate a good amount of income. I mean, I I know I just had a buyer two years ago that was making 150,000 a year. He's a body shop guy. I mean, I know there's some good jobs in there.

Yeah. But you got 10 employees that are there, right? And we're making money on not their cars that they're fixing, but on their salaries, right? Automotive repair. Yeah. I don't want to see Yeah. I don't want to see a stack of junk cars out there, but I also Yeah. No, I don't want it there either. Okay. No junk cars. Removing automotive repair. The last one that's still up on the table was the addition that Ryan wanted to add, and that was the ball fields. We both wanted it. We're also going to my mind. We're also going to strike. Sorry. We're going to I should have went nursery and also repair and service for small equipment items because that would be in the same vein. I mean, you're kind of going to Yeah. Yeah. We already had that on uh uh 37 with Pawsum's yard. Yeah.

Yes. Do we have a large retail area though? Like we have large manufacturing for Johntown. Yeah, we have the heaviest commercial you all have is out near uh the Kyber Run shopping complex area to put it things to go though. Well, yeah, future problems would tell you. So, if you did a survey and this is I'll actually let Trevor PDine on this in it, but there's no retail in there either. Retail considering the size of our city and what is currently permitted out in the PD district. talk about that. You feel that we have a sufficient amount retail? I don't want I agree.

So, it would be off this map. This map's a little outdated. Everything that everything that Jamie was talking about, that's all part of a plan development. It basically has its own zoning code that applies to it. Um, this whole section here, this is retail. That's all retail. This has a component down here that's retail. Um, so that's why I said we have something comparable. You got to see how PAL does it. Like how does Pal have it there? Right. Okay. Yeah. I was going to say I don't know that you all have without short of a market study. Like I can't give you I think you guys probably if anything maybe have a little too much commercial space if you're having vacancies. However,

that's pretty quick to change. I mean I don't like I'm not saying you guys need to go annex and like zone commercial property. You're not dealing with that issue. Um, Sunberry has this up there by Yeah, there's and there could be a ton down there up there. There can be. Oh, yeah. There's going to be not just that available for people to move and we're going to have to amend this to allow it to be smaller than 28. I heard you say. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Yes. So, if we do if we do that, then we jeopardize the light manufacturing. That's right up against residential. So, it seems we seem like we raised we came to a conclusion over here. Yeah, you're going to get it offcapes. The only place those add add or remove remove donut.

Remove auto repair. Remove repair and service or small equipment. I will go back for the crapery and craft distillery to look at the definition for small scale. Um I think it's just little beers. Yeah, only 7 o. You can only you can open a brewer here if you're little kid.

No tall boys. taking out taking out plant nursery um better defining number 16 retail or wholesale of products manufactured on site adding in that that must be in ancillary use and secondary to the production use on site then we have striking the commercial storage units adding let's see and then adding to the cup list the sports complex indoor fields and things like that correct or we taking that one out I what do What do you think about pausing there? Right. Until Mark comes back next Well, well, let's next meeting. Do we want to answer on the sports facility or wait till Mark? I You want feedback now? Yeah. Oh, it does. I mean,

feedback. Um, I was for it, but now I'm not. Like I said, I have no opinion. I'm a No. And And you're not for it because it's not a high It'd be $10 minimum wage jobs. I Yeah. It's almost like we identified a missing hole in our city where like we don't have like how does PAL do it? How does how do these other cities do it next? And I would want to do some research cuz those uses can be I would say can be pretty intensive over a short amount of time and so they are I think at least understanding where we just don't know where. Yeah, it would be amazing to have. I don't think anybody complain if one showed up. Yeah. It's why I think we got to like wait till next week. Do you want it there is question? I mean my response to that would be if you want one that's great but I would not put it out there.

I wouldn't put it there. That's my thing. And that doesn't but that does how far down sportsman club does that go just not very right. Yeah just to that social of all businesses that people talk to me about zoning that is to me 100% that is we're a sports town believe it or not Ohio's where is that's yeah I mean if you look at plane city they have it out in their they have it along their business park there. Yeah. Um, they do. And it's And by the way, by the way, they are the best. Who else has one? I mean, you have because that's Ohio Premiere. That's top tier talent. They're doing it right. Um, but you're right. We can't put traffic through that freaking downtown. So, figure out where you want it.

Yeah. Not there. Yeah, I like that. I don't know how we do that or how we end up there, but Yeah, right now. PD district. Yeah. Well, PD district. Do we allow the sports stuff in the PD district? I don't know, to be honest. expensive. We could check. It's pretty expensive compared to your current zoning. That district is a super expensive land manufacturing district. Depending when they go to sell it for re if it goes that way and they start developing some retail stuff in there. I mean, the land value just isn't as high on that. You don't have a lot of two of us made a decision on that. Does you still Where are you at? Right. You're like, I brought it. All right. I'm not going to waste your time and bring something I don't like. It's gone. We can talk you out. It can always come back and I'm happy to do a little research as well just to see. Yeah. Yeah.

Okay. And yeah, you want to put a pin in it there then? Is that what you're saying? Yeah. Well, you want to finish your list, right? I didn't really I will just say the other the other pieces that are in here. Um, primarily in 1159.04. A lot of that strike underline was stuff that I've been working through with the design review board in terms of getting some better aesthetic requirements for there. We do not need to include those tonight. I'm trying to keep all of this all these ordinances together so I don't end up inadvertently overwriting them. Um, but that said, you have more to go through. Yeah. No. Oh, yeah. The only other thing I had was an 1159.04 D5

three eyes there. Um, on fencing. So, I'm good with all of the fencing. Um, but I know that we have aluminum fence in there already. Like the black aluminum fence I'm fine with. That's a classy looking fence. Is it solid or is it just like pick? Depends on how you make it. I've never seen that. I mean, I would say though or other similar materials would capture that. The the intent is that you're not putting up like corrugated sheet metal or something like that. So, I mean, if they if they want to do extruded aluminum panels and they're at least a/ inch thick, then go for it. Corduroy sheet metal. I mean, if you put up an aluminum fence, are you are you talking about like the on electricity?

Oh, man. The medical marijuana fence. Cure leaf. Yeah. Like they have one. I've seen it done in a nice way before. And if you're going to do that with arvitas down through there to have your screening, I don't think that's the worst thing in the world to be honest with you. I think reference with that would be considered. Hold on though. Let me let me look at this. It's there's another term for in this case where you do it. that fence wouldn't be applicable because this is this requires that all fence this is for screening of outdoor storage. So fencing in that case has to be 100% opaque. So I don't think aluminum fencing in that case is the problem. You don't want you don't want what you got on track street or not track. Um no there's one on track. There is one on track. They have they have that trash.

Yeah. The the steel fence over there. Nice. And it's it's got a foot head start off the ground too. That's it. Yeah, they got a permit. Yeah, that's good. So, okay. So, the reason I bring that up is that may change. I'm working through that with the design re review board, but um if you have comments, I'm happy to have to be knight. I just thanks for I understand for storage purposes. Yeah, you want it you want it 100% opaque. But if you're going to put up the fence and generally I don't mind the aluminum one, especially if you're going to put a row of arbivas. Oh, no. That's fine. Yeah. Get your screening anyway that you're after. And honestly, I think it looks pretty nice.

Yep. Okay. I have I will make those updates and send a draft of that back to Sean and Teresa. Thank you. Okay. The next meeting we should be able to finalize it. Yep. This is the second Tuesday so everybody's aware. Sorry about that. So everybody So everybody's I like that. I like the f first you ignored my call and I go he must have been called in. Yeah, we're all assumed that we're sitting over here thinking there's a police going on here. We did go to the AB6 protest and there was a gag Mickey Mouse there. Cool. Good. That's pretty creative. You want to adjourn? Let's adjourn the meeting. Um, any other business not on agenda? Nope.

I make a motion to adjurnn. I second. All in favor? All right.