Planning & Zoning Commission - Regular Meeting

Let me check my galaxy. Oh, okay. Give it to Shauna, please. Thank you, sir. Shauna, I'd like to call this meeting to order. Okay, we'll take rom here. Art Z here. Brian is it okay? That's okay. That's fine. Kyle here. And Todd McDonald here. Thank you. Let's call to order at 6:30. Awesome. And we're rolling online.

We are. Awesome. Um, next, let's go through this list here. Public comments on items not on the agenda. The first person about to speak is Mike. Is that about the I'm assuming these speaker slips are for everything on the agenda, not necessarily noting from the egg to the Okay. Okay. So, so that is the agenda, right? So, we'll wait on that. So, we'll skip that. But he gets to speak during that. Yes. Everybody gets to speak during this is just for item. Mine is different. I'm sorry. Mine is different. Is that what you're asking? No, but your your yours is next. That's what I'm saying. Yes, I have a different thing. So, I'm publicly speaking real quick. Making myself publicly known. Okay.

My shirt sounds good. Give me the We missed the Hawaiian theme again. Yeah, he usually starts. Anyway, so my name's Brian Heel. Um I'm from I live in Leafy Dell. Uh the upper part, the lower part, HOA1. Um there is an island in the middle of Leafyell. If if I just want to officially state we kind of want to stop taking care of it. the city officially owns it and I want to know what we should do. I don't know if it's I just want to kind of get it on the agenda. Our HOA will be mailing the city officially with a letter. Uh we don't want to take care of it anymore and it's it's a good expense and we're the only HOA taking care of it out of three in that neighborhood and we're putting up a lot of money and we don't know what to do with it anymore. So that's it. Appreciate it. You guys have any questions or Thank you, Brian.

Thank you. Oh, instead of going through the list, can I ask is there anybody here to speak on anything that's not on the agenda today? I think everybody's for the agenda, so makes it easier. Seeing none, let's go ahead and move on. Approval of minutes from April 28th, 2026. I'll make a motion to approve. I'll second. Sorry, Kyle and Mark. Okay. So any uh approve? Yes. Yes. I'm going to abstain. I was not here. Okay. Kyle.

Yes. Yes. Motion passes. All right. Uh item action item number four application 41526 zoning map amendment public hearing and vote. I also um to start this one start with the city as far as a comment on the application. Mhm. I would suggest you start with the applicant to explain if you'd like. Okay, let's do that. Do we want to talk about

Yeah. I want to ask just real quick though the um the process is a little bit a skew right to normal because this is a this is land that we have that the city has not talked about annexing yet to the full extent and has not annexed it. So this is kind of what we're doing here. What you guys are asking is kind of run parallel with the process. Um, I just wanted to make sure it was open to everybody that we are talking about land that is still in the township and what is going to happen tonight whether we or or in the next meeting um is we will either recommend or not recommend a reszoning if council so chooses to annex.

That that's correct. Thank you, Mr. Cook. I'm Aaron Underh Hill Under Hill. I'm an attorney uh for the New Albony Company and uh I'm going to let Jamie McN with the New Albony Company do a lot of the presentation on this one. But uh yes, um this is pretty typical and when we did the original plan district back in 23 24 uh we uh undertook a similar process where we got the annexation going and that that statutoily under Ohio law that takes about 4 months to get done. So we typically would start a zoning process while that's pending. But you're correct. There will be two separate actions that council would have to take uh hopefully on the same evening if we get there. Um one would be to approve or disapprove of the annexation and then secondly following that would be to approve or disapprove the zoning.

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Thanks. Sorry about that. I'm Jamie McN with the New Albony Company and the Johntown Land Company. Um, we're the applicant for like um Mr. Cook was saying the reasonzoning um because the property in blue is not yet in the city, we can't really zone it yet, but we want to uh predetermine recommended zoning so that if it does get accepted in the city, uh everybody's on the same page about what the intended use is. So, a little background that Aaron was mentioning, the original application for this plan development includes this area that's shaded. Uh this entire area that's shaded uh was one plan development that we got in place a couple years ago. The world was a little bit different then. And if you remember um at the time we thought Intel was going to have about 30,000 employees on on their campus and we proposed you know a mixeduse kind of village center type concept that would include multifamily residential etc to support Intel employees and the surrounding suppliers and the entire ecosystem. Obviously Intel's still uh happening. We feel optimistic about the project coming online. scope of it and the timing has changed a little bit since then. Over the last couple years, our primary focus has been focusing on um economic development, bringing jobs in tax base to John'stown. Um and uh a few projects we've taken some really quality at bats on. We haven't we've gotten second place on a couple great projects. Um we haven't landed a big fish yet, but we're trying to be patient to make sure we get the right first movers into this plan development. Um, in the meantime, we've also been working on uh expanding the plan development. There's um over the series over the last couple years, we've filled in a couple of the missing teeth along Green Chapel um so that nobody was left on an island. So, everything's been

filled in as well. Um to the left of the screen right now, if you remember, the the Piper farm got acquired um and got reszoned for industrial use as well. Um, and we believe that expanding the PD in this triangle, when I say triangle, I'm talking between Duncan Plains, uh, US62 and Green Chapel, that that triangle is best positioned to be uh an economic driver or essentially a supplier park in industrial park. Um it would the intent is to look and feel somewhat as an extension of the existing business park, but the design standards would be distinctly different and unique to John'stown. Um so um as we started to expand, we want to best position the sites. We we have limited inventory right now and we want it takes these sites to market and to develop them. Um, so what we're asking is to in as we expand uh west of Clover Valley that this actually becomes an amendment and to the plan development and becomes a new sub area. All of these sub areas are currently sub area one um with industrial uses and sub area 1E what we're calling the blue area would be an extension of the existing industrial use as well. So, um, so I'll pause right there for a second. One thing I'll add is, um, we have, um, basically with this amendment to keep it simple and not reproduce 60 pages of documents. And we've done this, um, previously when we've added on sub area 1, we're incorporating the use and development standards, uh, obligations and rights that are in sub area 1 in that original plan district. So things

like buffering and landscaping etc are still applicable here just the same as they are over uh to the east. And if you remember uh things were moving so quickly with when Intel was uh first announced that when we decided to uh zone this as one plan development we wanted a holistic balanced tax base. So we created the different sub areas based on different uses. Part of it was a little science and part of it was a little art based on the geometry the the site plan knowing that the the end user would ultimately potentially dictate how some of those boundaries get gets get finalized. So but

all right any questions from the board? on the line or just jump in if you want to start. So, uh, when I was reading through this, the glaring items that I found in here as part of the application and asking like maybe I've missed some things part of the application it says that you need to list a separate uh list of property owners names and addresses contiguous to and directly across the street from the property. That was not part of the application. I haven't seen that. I don't know if that was completed and it's just not in here.

There is some on the uh announcement too or like the public hearing. Oh, okay. I didn't I missed I missed all that. Uh the other piece that I noticed on here is that the ordinances that were listed are incorrect. They say chapter 1164, but then the items that are mentioned in here are all 1164E and E2. Address that articles that are in here are actually part of a different different city ordinance.

I don't know if that came off of the application that you guys had or if that was a clerical error that we had on our side. I believe that when this PD district was actually added into the zoning, maybe the previous chapter was that and they the number it's just a literally one digit. So, it's something that we can call this out if it still gets a motion to approval or a vote or whatever it may need to have today. We can just acknowledge that and have that fixed. Um, but it is in here as 1164 which is agricultural. And so, as much as I would love to keep 99 acres as agricultural, I think you guys obviously are applying for something different. So um just something to call out that we will make sure that that is it's5 right

yes the PD district is chapter 1165 this just states 1164 instead which is AG so the other question I have is as far as housing is concerned for the ordinance there's a there's a formula for the number of acres for housing and how far that can go from CPD area and I don't know what that is and I don't know if anybody if anybody here knows what that formula is. I know as of right now it's like a within a half a half a mile of the PD district is where they could hop skip and jump if they wanted to.

But I believe it does change with the the total number of acres. I think you want to expand on it. You can go right ahead. I know you've had some involvement there. Yeah. So it's actually one of the other topics on um a related topic later on the agenda for today. But essentially the way the PD goes back to the imbalance tax base the the original plan development was based on the idea that there would be one or three units per every every acre. So I'm using round numbers right now. The original PD was about 400 acres. So then there was a residential density of about 1,200 um units. That changed.

Now if if if Intel was happening full speed 30,000 employees, those there would be guard rails in place to protect the schools so that um the product type and when those those units come online to make sure that the city isn't like put in a bad position that can't absorb the units either. Um we never even got to that point. Um but as the PD expands the way it's currently written it's that residential density bank goes up. uh which what which which what we'll talk about later on the other topic is that as the residential density bank I don't I don't want to get too far ahead from the other topic but um we don't believe that it should be a 1:1 ratio either and the product type that gets developed uh what was originally going to be multifamily uh that was projected um a very very low number of students for the schools if you take 1,200 apartments and you transform those into h homes, you would have a lot more students. So, we would not support the idea of a onetoone transfer if we did to transfer from apartments to uh residential or sorry, apartments to single family.

Important to note also that with the 99.4 acres that are the subject of this um application, they cannot there could be no residential on there. the only residential can be over on these sub areas which are three and four over near um the mink and green chapel intersection. Truth of the matter is and and as Jamie alluded to, when we we get to the code amendment is pending, we're trying to solve for the problem that you can't fit all those units there. Uh and we'll get into that here momentarily.

Kyle, are you sorry, Todd? No, those are the things that I when when I was addressing this, when I was reading through this, those are the the glaring things that I had noted in here. All right. Something a question I have I think people in the room might have. You talked about the triangle. Yes. Is your goal to develop the entire triangle?

Not necessarily. Um, we've t we've had numerous conversations with various owners in the area. Some are interested in selling, some aren't. Um the triangle is actually from John'stown's comprehensive plan about where they want to best loc I think they call it the enterprise zone for job creation and tax base. Now from a planning perspective um having residential closer to the school or downtown you know that's a good argument for that but there's three different zones. There was an agricultural zone, a residential zone, and an enterprise zone. This area, this plan development fell in John'stown's enterprise zone, or the comp plan. Now, you could make a case whether the multifamily should be in the enterprise zone or not because or should that be uh the residential should be in the residential zone. Now, because of the product type that was being proposed a couple years ago, um because of the scale, having all that traffic, those 30,000 people, having homes in there was part of the argument where you had a little overlapping of zonage, but the entire triangle, I believe, is in the enterprise zone for John'stown's comprehensive plan that was just updated probably about 24 months ago or so. I don't know.

Yeah, I remember that. Um Kyle, you have Is the map amendment the only thing holding us back from that also possibly being residential as opposed to data center and infrastructure. In terms of this particular piece of property, yes. Um I can't remember exactly which category you come into if you annex it some sort of rural or agricultural designation here, which would bring with it some residential rights.

So um that'd be automatic upon annexation. So, um, this essentially takes away that ability. Um, now I'm not saying it's really dense. It's probably one unit per 2 acres or something like that. Um, I haven't looked at your code recently, but but yes, this would this would be the mechanism to eliminate any possibility of any residential there. Just for the record, I wasn't asking to eliminate residential. Yeah. I was asking if so essentially you're saying there's no possibility of residential being there no matter

well I think from a legal standpoint if if there were an annexation without a zoning then there would be the legal possibility of of residential being there probably in a more rural density. Um uh but from a practical standpoint um you know I guess you you know we probably we would have to reszone to get to a density that probably made any financial sense for anyone to develop residentially. Um if we weren't doing this zoning Yeah. Thank you. Do you have anything else? No. Yes. No. But go ahead. I was trying to keep it in order in line. Any order you want. Brian, do you have anything?

Not right now. I want to listen to the public. So, um I mean, you kind of alluded to the Piper farm. That's what my question is. Yeah.

So, I think we can all you obviously we can assume we know where we see where the city of New Albany is and how those lines want to meet up and can obviously appreciate the work that you guys are doing to help the city of Johntown in a sense as many people may not believe. Um this is one of those, right? New Albony could just gobble this all up and we have no say. So I kind of want to throw that out there as a devil's advocate here is that you are providing the opportunity to Johntown. Um is there possibility in this that when it comes through it does not necessarily go into sub area 1E maybe it goes into like a sub area 6 that creates something different or I think sub area 5 is kind of an any of the above, right? So it could be allowed for mixed use, could be allowed for residential, it could be allowed for industrial, commercial.

Uh do you respect the Piper in in particular?

Uh Piper one I'm not overly concerned about. It's already owned by Edge Connects. I think that's an obvious of what's going on there. Um but you know, if we if that comes into the city as well, then right, we're we're adding I'll state the obvious. We're adding more data centers on that property. Whether the city is able to get that or it stays with the township or the city of New Albany gets it. Everybody knows Edge Connects is a data center company. Uh or if you didn't, that's where what's going to happen to it. Um for this particular plot is what I mean, right? Instead of having it be called out blatantly as data center industrial, is there an opportunity to make that as sub area 5, which I know is kind of any of the above? We don't think it's probably the highest and best use for that particular site for to be commercial residential. We do think that there are opportunities to add commercial and residential to Johnstown, but probably not in what's in blue. Um whether it's closer to the Green Chapel and Mink Corner anchored there or some other place um that you know um is better situated. Uh we've also been working with ODOT to study the traffic patterns of US62 and what works best. I think at some point there's going to be additional commercial and residential in the subm market. I just don't know exactly where that's going to be. Um there is a you can see on the map there is a stream that that goes right through uh this site right here uh onee um that probably is not going to get moved.

Yeah. So that it to be not as beneficial too. Yeah. So would that I guess would that in turn though cause you to maybe conjoin that into the Piper setup because it's conjoined together and you wouldn't necessarily need to utilize that whole plot. So if the city of Johnstown would like to have the Piper farm in the city of John'stown by annexing onee, it gives the opportunity for the city to then have continuous contiguous Yeah. because it continuity

to bring in the Piper farm um into John'stown because like you said, uh the use is the use there and it's going to happen. So, it's really a question of where those tax dollars go um at that point. So, yeah. Yeah. And I think it's obviously it's not bringing the amounts of jobs and things that we want, but at the same time, it's tax dollars that are needed. So,

um I think the only other thing that I really have because I I've done a ton of research on this, but uh is that I know you've mentioned it that not every property would potentially be developed over there. Um, but in the instance of representing the citizens of Johntown, I'd ask that you go knock on everybody's door and give them at least an offer. And then if they say no, then that's their choice at that point. And then we have something else that says we've tried, right? I can already tell you I think Mr. Park is never going to leave. Uh, I don't think he's ever going to leave his bamboo plants and I don't know if he's here tonight. Would be awesome to actually meet him, but that's just kind of the case, right? I think that helps. Um, I hear you loud and clear. We can't comment on current active negotiations, but um I we hear you loud and clear.

Yeah, I mean you don't have to answer anything to it. I just answer there may or may not be some people who live over in that area that may have not heard anything from New Albony Company, right? Yes.

Um, so that's all I ask is we know that you guys have been I will play devil's advocate on this, right? That you guys have been great neighbors so far. You've helped out, you've designed the whole entire PD thing and gave saved us months if not years worth of work in order to put that document together and have helped kind of frame a lot. But at the same time, uh, it's tough because not everybody gets the same message and we have a hard time communication of how to get that message out. So, it's more so of why I'm trying to state it is if you know we're on the record here, if you can go make sure that everybody's had their door knocked on or even just have an introduction to them that gets involved. I think there's been some neighborhood meetings over there with um the other development that we have.

Uh I don't know why the name is escaping me right now. Yes, thank you. I think they held the neighborhood meeting. Um I thought I read about that. Yeah, I I attended those meetings. Yes. Yeah. So that's the just the other piece that I'm just trying to state out in public so everybody understands that if they needed to reach out or they wanted to reach out or if you know if you guys haven't reached out to each resident over there then

no Mark I appreciate it. We um you know different people have different opinions about large land development or minority companies but uh we've I think we I'd say we've done everything that we're going to do today. the conditions in the subm market have ch changed greatly when Intel came and then Intel slowed down and then Intel's picking up. Um so we're doing the best we can. We are always available to all the neighbors. Uh and we're also being um we're not going anywhere. Even though we sold the land to Collog, we're still participating in meetings with Kogix um and the neighbors because we're I mean we have a lot invested in the area mentally. emotionally and financially. So, uh I think it's one of the benefits of having one large scale master planner for some of these things. So,

yeah, I think it's kind of obvious you guys are going to be developing quite a bit that's all around it. So, we'd hope that and I know some of the other conversations that have been had of other areas that are around the city. Um obviously not necessarily with your guys' involvement, but with housing developments, things of that nature. So, I think it's an obvious that you guys will be around for quite some time and you guys have worked really well uh alongside what we've done. So, I think that's a a continued relationship to try to keep somewhat positive.

Yeah. And we're focused on what's what's best for Johntown's long-term future, too. Um, we don't if we're adding any SK any of the school district, we want to be thoughtful about it and have a long-term plan for it. So, in the short term right now, we think the best thing is to increase the job opportunities and the tax base as well. Um, so you know, and at times we have to say no to other development just where we have the opportunity to potentially flip the land, but we don't want to have we don't want to sell the land to somebody that's just going to put up a warehouse, move refrigerators from one end to the other end, and then leave once their tax abatement's up. We're looking for key anchors. They're going to make multi-deade investments in in the community. And we also expect buyers to join the Chamber of Commerce, be civically involved with the Johntown Foundations, and be members of the community. It's the exact same way that we've expected the same thing from companies that have moved into New Albany as well over the years.

Yeah. But we want to do it in a Johntown way. Appreciate that. I think just to reiterate Mark's point at the beginning is making sure that everybody is getting a fair shake, you know, and that everybody's getting an offer. Um I know you can't discuss that, but what you call missing teeth are essentially teeth being pulled out, you know. Um so those missing teeth, let's make sure they're at least being offered something. Yes.

So that's the journey. That's our journey to get to this point. It's been up, it's been up and down. It's been all kinds of stuff. But I just would like to reiterate, if you could help me explain it, the process that we're going through, it's this way for a reason. We decided to do this to streamline things and I don't want anyone to have to speak spend their time speaking about it. So, if we could just can somebody help me address you guys help me address that process.

Yeah, sure. So, um, you know, as is typical of a lot of smaller communities who haven't had, uh, development pressures over the years, and there's a ton of them, you know, Johntown's code when we when we came here and and pitched this idea didn't really, um, deal with this sort of a scenario with a dynamic and large development. And so we partnered with the city at that time to uh craft a plan district uh ordinance that um essentially had a minimum of 350 acres as a requirement in order to use it. And that was to make sure that master planning was at the forefront and you weren't having dozens of applications filed all at once for smaller parcels that would take up your time and resources. So, um, and once that was approved, we then, um, the plan district is unique and, um, is used really a lot throughout central Ohio in that you can write your own development standards and have a back and forth with planning commissions and city councils and, um, uh, set forth regulations that are particular to the property. And so, um, those regulations were, uh, the result of a lot of, uh, work with staff, uh, with NKSK, uh, who's your consultant, uh, multiple meetings with the planning commission and city council at the time, and we came up with a document that's about that thick, right? And, uh, uh, is still the basis for the development standards that we're we're using here today. But, um, a lot of those development standards are are tried and true and and practical in terms of we've used them elsewhere. Um especially where we have situations where we have an industrial development next to residential. For instance, we have commitments where um there are shared boundary lines in in that circumstance that mounding of at least 6 ft that's at least 6t tall with plantings on top to get to it's either 12 or 14 ft of uh of total screening height to a to an opacity of 75% is the requirement. So, um, you know, that's

something that we, you'll see throughout the business park. Um, and you know, we have these similar conditions in New Albany over the years. So, um, we've tried to implement best practices and, um, that document that we wrote was, uh, the result of a lot of blood, sweat, and tears, but is the basis for what we're doing tonight. Thank you. Thanks for clearing that up. Um, any other questions from the board? Thank you.

We also have a relationship with our community. We'd love to hear from our community. We love when they come in here. Um I hate to be the bearer of bad news because we have a lot of speakers tonight. Each speaking slip is worth 3 minutes and we're going to stick to that standard. U setting the president moving forward. So I'll I'll control the timer unless Shauna wants to. But I can control the timer. I just want you to know before you step up here this 3 minutes is the rule. So you can take advantage of your time as much as possible. So if we could go ahead Shauna speaking on this comment was that was the majority of the people. Yes sir. Everybody but Brian. Yeah.

Very interesting to hear their comment because I want to let you know first of all I have been the zoning chairman of Monroe Township for about the last 25 years. Pause real quick. Introduce who you are and where you're from. So that from John'stown out on Valley Road. We don't need to give addresses anymore. His name and that's okay. Mike Tedric.

Uh, as I've just said, I've been the zoning chairman for the last 20 to 25 years in Monroe Township. And when I got the letter, and I know how this goes cuz I got a meeting next Tuesday night to reszone from either residential or agriculture to commercial. But um when I got the letter, which I know everybody's supposed to get to let you know they're going to do the resoning, first thing I did was call Woody Fox, our zoning inspector, and I said, "How's Johntown reszoning Monroe Township? That's supposed to be in front of my committee. That's supposed to be my letters going out." And he said, "Oh, didn't you know that they reszoned that to John's Towns after what I just heard?" No, they haven't. It's in a Monroe Township at this point. Okay. Um, so I was a little wondering and he said, "Well, didn't you hear?" And we do have one of our township trustees, Mike, over there in the corner. And no, I was never told, but they Woody said, "Well, as soon as they annexed into Johntown, they immediately put in for the reasonzoning." And I'm going, "Really? Oh, this property that he was pointing to is my property lines with him. Okay. So, I have an interest in this one. The other thing is when you do annex something into John'stown from Monroe Township, which is where I'm from, could you send out a postcard to somebody that says we're your new neighbors? I put an extra dollar on the zoning application or something, you know, to pay for the thing because everything has to be paid for. But we have no idea. And I've spoke to some of my neighbors who are sitting here. They did not know that either. So now that I hear it is not in John'stown, you guys need to come to us first and then

we'll go to John'stown. Okay. So anyway, um but this is very interesting to hear this tonight. So anyway, please when you do annex, send a postcard. We're your neighbors. We want to know what's going on, too. Okay. Um, my committee, just like you guys, listen to the neighbors as much as anything. You let your council worry about the money and this and that. And no, I have not been approached by the new Albany company. Okay? I'm kind of like looking at you guys as like the Michigan football team. Most of us neighbors don't really care for you. And no, they haven't approached me. Some of the neighbors have, some of the neighbors have not. what you guys said, I agree with you 100%. Come talk to us. If you really want that in your development, make us an offer, see what we're willing to do. So, I'm agreeing with your zoning committee. Okay. But anyway,

thank you, Mike. The other thing, three minutes, Mike, he's doing great. He is doing great, but we do have to stick to president. That's okay. We also in our township. Thank you, Mike. We do not have the infrastructure for water. Hey, just to be clear, and I know he said it there at the end, we have not annexed anything, right? Yeah. I just didn't want that to get lost. Yeah. You have any question about the Piper Farm that my committee annzone. Mhm. Since the three minutes are up, you can come talk to me, but because it was so large and they were only going to use three acres, that's why we gave zoning data. Yeah. Sure. Thank you, Mike.

I'll I'll re add on to there, too. is that any land owner like any city or township or area around here has uh next to zero power about annexation. The land owner has to come forth and request that annexation. So, it is not Johntown against Monroe Township. Trust me, I want that relationship to be better than ever. Same thing with Jersey Township. Same thing with every single township around here. Uh and I know that that was kind of a battle for quite some time. So, I'm stating that that Johntown's not trying to go around anybody and say, "Hey, we want to annex you." Yeah. A lot of times we don't I've ever been to one of your meetings, although we've had some of your members over the years come to a couple of ours because they lived out there.

Yeah. Yeah. I just want to make the point that we don't we don't want it to seem that we're trying to annex things in. The land owners are the ones who approach and and bring that up to us. So, it's the same anybody who lives within city limits. If your property touches city limits, you are welcome to ask to annex into the city. Thank you. Are you speaking on this project? Well, I had a question. I guess if I want to speak on both, do I get three minutes to each? That's a really good question. Where is Teresa? We're going to need you to fill out another slip. I just want to make sure I use my three minutes on this one. Well, do you have something on this one? I real I mean, yeah,

you can just state your name when you get up to the microphone for the viewers online. Hi, Tim Swagger, Johntown, Monroe Township. On this one, uh, as Mike had mentioned, the Piper sod farm, I did get a little, and I appreciate that you mentioned about annexation because they said if the city wants it in, I'm like, that's a property owner's decision. So, I do appreciate you mentioning that. Uh, it's not what the city or you guys, anyone wants, it's what the property owner wants. The concern I have with this property is just the impact study. Is someone doing an impact study from the water, sewer, and traffic side of it? That's really the critical infrastructure that someone has to do before we continue to annex and at any of these projects. Feel like a lot of that just keeps being built behind gets further and further pushed back and each project that gets brought on impacts that further. So, we want to make sure we look at that. And then on uh the uh other comment I just want to clarify, you know, as far as annexing into Johnstown or no offense, they're developers, right? They're here to make money. That's great. They do a good job. I don't have any real issues. You know, we work well with them. But never forget they're a developer and you're the city and we have to look out for the the residents. They do a really good job. But also realize a lot of that land, New Alb's not going to annex north of Green Chapel. They're not going to annex land and build houses in the Johntown Monroe School District. There's a lot. So don't sell ourselves short on what we're capable of doing and what we want just because there's a threat of other annexation out there. Do what's best for the Johntown community regardless. And I really have very little uh belief that the city of New Albany is looking to annex further up and build homes with outside of their own school district and they also have sewer and water issues when they get further up as well to supply that. So I just want to make sure we're aware of that and not really be as concerned with somebody else annexing it in. So thank you. Thanks, Tim.

Luckily, it seemed like he was underneath a bit, but he was um together we make one good person. Wagner,

Phil Wagner, superintendent, John Rose Schools, 85 West Douglas. Um, I just wanted, if you give me a minute here, I want to see if we can get our technology to work. I just wanted to remind um, Mr. Swagger talked about impact. I want to remind everyone where we are with the schools and um you know making sure that we um um know what the impact is going to be on the schools and what our capacities are. Um Mr. Swagger obviously talked about impact in general. So that's important. Okay, I'll do this really quick. Stay inside my three minutes. plenty of copies there. So, um, so I put it up on the screen. Hard to see that, but just want to show you, um, as the schools what we have. So, right now, when you look at I'll run through this quickly. Um, when you look at what I have organized here is we have our current four school buildings. We added an addition to the high school. So, we now have uh the full build on that building. So when you look at everything at our building capacity right now, we can have just over 20 I call it 2500 students. It's 2484. That is how many students we can take in capacity right now in our school district. We're running to some level of compression right now because um we've lost homes. So we have lost over 100 students in the last 18 months or so um because of you know the loss of homes. We are seeing a more transient population but definitely lost uh some students. So when you look at our current capacity right now, if everything is linear and every, you know, student fits in every uh building they're supposed to, we have a capacity right now, and I updated this yesterday for 956 more students in the school district. And that's important to know. So then the question is, we know we have we have a model that we built out and uh

so we could take under this current model, again, I know I'm going through this quick, it's about 24,000. We have a model that we could almost uh triple the size of our current student body, but it would cap out at 4584. So, just about almost 4,600 students. In order to get to that next level, we need a new high school. We need a new elementary school. And then we would reconfigure the district. And again, because I'm doing this fast, I have a model to show how that looks, too. That's about hundred million by our current estimates right now if we had to build the high school and the elementary school. So just want to make sure this is on the forefront because any parcel land that transfers we need to know what the impact is for water, sewer, traffic but also the schools. U Mr. McN is right when we talked earlier because when the initial project we looked at 1,200 units and did a um really an impact on what the residential would be and because of the products um it was about 60 to 70 students. If we start transferring some from what I think we're calling a residential bank or a housing bank, um we have to know what that impact is going to be. We have to update our data in the schools and it's been um some times and as some times since we've done this, but generally um between 08 and 1.2 students are generated out of between an apartment and a house. So call an even one if you will. So, if you were to transfer 600, let's just say in this example, um, from the bank and put it into residential housing, that could be 600 students. And then again, if everything's linear in the world, we can probably handle that, but it's only going to be for so long. You know, housing cost or price points are going to be very significant because the more expensive the home, the later the students, you know, come into the school district. And we're seeing that a little bit right now. Am I three minutes? Okay.

Thank you, sir. Thank you, Dr. Right. Thank you. Did you say the more expensive the house, the later it is the kids get into? Generally, we're seeing that right now. So, if you have more affordable housing, you will see, you know, uh students will pull through 13 grade levels. The more expensive the housing stock typically becomes more of a second home. So, then you'll see so when I say again linear model, you know, but you can load your middle school and high school and fill those to be capacity before you get to the other building. So, happy to share any any more data when it's available. One more time. Thank you, sir.

So, I listened to the plan. If you say your name in the microphone, no need for people watching online. Robin Tedric. Thank you.

So, I heard what you had to say. I didn't understand a lot of it. I'll be honest. This might sound snarky, but I really want to know are I live on Clover Valley Road. I was up against when you're talking about developing. Am am I the missing teeth or broken teeth? I don't remember what terminology used, but you kind of pushed to the side and said, "Yeah, that's just missing a broken teeth." Oh, I can Yeah, I can I can I'll answer your question if you want to cut. So, I can give the short

I'll give the short easy because he's only got the three minutes. This was really these other pieces that were over here. There was a couple of plots that were in between. What they have here is it's really open. There's not one individual island other than Mr. Park. So, no. Yeah. So, no. And and when they say missing teeth, they more so mean people that they haven't been able to work a deal out with to Okay. you know, um they're not they don't mean it derogatory. Okay. Oh, yeah. I get it. I mean, it's

along east of there were a few parcels uh that were not included in the original plan development. So, when you looked at the original plan, it looked like there were missing teeth in the plan. We have since acquired all those parcels and filled everything in. So that's what we say when we mention the missing teeth or the kind of Yeah. rounding out. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So So I don't it's it's a it's not necessarily the same condition west of Clover Valley. So I one more question if I have time. Yeah. So um you'll have to answer

the traffic right now on our stretch of Clover Valley is horrendous. Uh we have a camera that faces the front. We have over 500 cars and trucks a day and they're just, you know, this is this was a sleepy little road up until uh this recent development started, not yours, but on the other side. And I wondered about the impact that you're going to have on all of our infrastructure as well and how that's being worked out um to give people a break to to it's dangerous on our road right now. What I can tell you from what I've heard from council meetings uh and from Mayor Hollis, Mayor Hollis has been in touch with the city of New Albany as well as the police department in New Albany. Uh and then that is also a safety and service committee piece.

So that's being discussed. It is. They've Yeah, they've reached out to the the city. They've reached out to actually the people personnel who are working off of 62 to see what kind of work hours they can ensure that they're not out there during rush hour in the morning and rush hour in the evening. Well, I can show you a lot of videos uh where it it will tell you the traffic pattern. I mean, it just lays it all out and if anybody's interested in seeing that, you can have full access to our cameras. Yeah, that would be more so for council and safety and service committee. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, ma'am. Thank you.

All right. Um, so walk me through this board. We have these three items. We got We got four, five, and six, right? Yeah. So, we're on four right now. It's an application. So, we do have to We've had public hearing and voting on the application in itself as an individual piece of object of the application. The application is just for a map amendment. How are we voting on something if we don't officially even own anything? We're getting the process rolling so that if this does go through and they do decide to annex in, then it is already all set. So they don't come back to us and delay this once out. But how do we even have rights to vote on anything?

We we are only making recommendations. Yeah. Right. So as a board we make recommendations to council. council is the one that enforces whatever they choose whether it goes against planning and zoning or with city to answer your question, Brian, if council so chooses to annex, they will either take our recommendation or not. Yep. Yeah. And then council but that doesn't have to happen first before it comes to us. It does not. They can go on. It can be concurrent. They're going sequential at the same time.

Okay. How um your question going back to the the land owners, they weren't notified of I guess they weren't because it wasn't annexed. Correct. They wouldn't be. So if the if the current land owner you guys really is are annexing are you want to annex is that is that is that that's your goal obviously um how what is what is the past and I'm new on this council by the way so I'm going to ask a dumb what's been the past president we have set I don't know if anyone on the board knows where we when something gets annexed and someone gets notified what have you guys done in the past

so um so for annexation we are required to file so annexation starts with the county actually, right? And not to not to cut you off, but I think Brian, you're asking something that would be actually a question of the city because it would be our responsibility to notify Mr. and Mrs. Tedric of the fact that they've been annexed. And that's I think that's a great point is that we should reach out and say hello if you are in the city. They wouldn't have to, right? No, New Albany Company would not be or Johntown Land Company would not be the ones doing that introduction. And you also have the right to just take Yes.

So, first of all, um I guess for the as far as the tedrics are concerned, they're not part of the annexation and we we could not annex them without their permission anyway based on the procedure we're using because 100% of the owners with this procedure that are affected by the annexation would be annexed have to sign petition. So, they did not sign the petition nor were they asked to. Under state law, uh it says that when an annexation is filed with the county, so that's the act of bringing the property into the city's jurisdiction that uh property owners adjacent to or across the street from the property are to be notified. And so we we provide that list of own of owners and we send out notices to those owners.

Um as far as the zoning's concerned, there's a I think it's a similar I can't remember off top of my head what your code says. Some places are a certain distance from a prop property line of the perimeter boundary of your zoning. Some are also adjacent to or across the street. I can't remember here. We did in fact provide that list to the city along with this application. I'm not sure why it's not in the packet. If it's not, then it would be in fact be the city's responsibility to send out those notices of of this zoning. Okay. All right. So, changing subjects here. I want to clear up some things. Um Theresa and not here tonight. We have one application with two votes on it. Is that Am I reading that correctly

or is it one application with three votes? Well, there's confusion on the board. There's a there's one application that we're discussing right now and then we have a hearing for the PUB district and then we have a a hearing for the text amendment. So, you have three way there's three votes. There's three votes or three one on each. Four, five, and six. Okay. So, one vote for the map amendment and then there's going to be possibly right one vote for the PD district and then one vote for text amendment. I believe the application needs to be your recommendation needs to be made because it's got to go to council, right?

I think this is like every time we sit up here something like I just want to make sure we're all on the same page. we understand what what the process that we need to go through is without Teresa here and that we understand. Right. Okay. So, Mr. Mayor, if I can clarify if it's okay.

So, the the first matter that we've had the hearing on is the actual application relating to this particular piece of land, the 99.4 acres. The second piece of legislation is something that we've been jointly working with city council on. And um you know at our in our request, city council has initiated a process to change the plan district zoning regulations in your code. So that's a second application. So it's it relates to what we're doing here, but it's it's really unrelated because it relates to your underlying code. And then the third text amendment relates to the creation of new community authorities and the um when a property must join a new community authority, which will so that's the third one. These are all separate pieces of legislation.

Okay. And as far as we're concerned on this board, we have a we have a vote on an application and then we have a recommendation and a recommendation. Recommendation really in all three instances. Really? Yeah. That's all we do anyways. That's true. Right. That needs to be made within 30 days of us getting this. Yep. So that does not mean the council needs to get it in 30 days. It means that we have 30 days to make a decision. Take action on recommendation. So that means that we could not make a decision today, have another meeting, make the decision then. We just have to make it by that second meeting. Correct. Just that just Yeah, that's correct. No, it's all right. Yeah. Am I That's correct.

Sorry. Nope. I found it. Thank you. Okay. So, we heard from the public. We talked. Is there any comments from the city? Anything to add? No, I don't believe so. I'll be glad to answer your question, but clearly I'm not an attorney and I've not been here for the entire process. So, I'm a little hesitant to add. I think what's been described as accurate. Uh it's a little different that you're not running in a sequential process, but I understand why that's been explained. So, you're just doing multiple things at the same time. So, it'll culminate in the ultimate goal of it being annexed.

All right. So, now we're up front with we're faced with the map amendment. Um, looking around this board, looking around this room, I'm I'm leaning. I didn't hear what you said. Faced with something.

Oh, like we're at we're at this point now where we talked about this. We heard from the city. We heard from the application. We heard from our residents. Now, it's kind of leaning on the sport. And what I'm picking up is is seem like maybe we want might want to table it. So my thinking is to table it because the information that's in here has the wrong numbers based on the language that's in here in changing the code codified ordinance of 1164. It's not the right code to be able to change. It says in here if it's if there's a yes vote if it's if it's affirmative it's going to change that. That doesn't exist. So, we need to make sure that the numbers that are in here align with the 1165, which we know to be correct,

but just the wording in here, I I'm not comfortable with with having the incorrect wording knowing it's going to get changed. Yeah, great. If that's if that if that's your only hang up on it, we can note that in here and we can still approve based on You can correct that. I approve as corrected. Yeah. As corrected. Yeah. Yeah. Um how's how's what does rest of the board think? Any comments? Brian? Yeah. A couple of residents and the uh Dr. Wagner brought up impact studies across multiple things. Is that is that already in the comprehensive code that or comprehensive plan from two or three years ago? Has that been done?

So, can I ask can I compound on that? Sorry. So, I know you you mentioned earlier about the traffic studies and stuff in 62. I was at a meeting a couple months ago in New Albany that showed the 62 corridor and the expansion and the changes in there. They were talking about the traffic studies that have already been done along that area. Is that are you suggesting that we would need additional traffic studies or to be able to incorporate the studies that have already occurred uh in order to in order to to widen that road to be able to make it four lanes? If if I that's just a proposal. So

So if I understand the question correctly, the answer is both. We have to do both. um the 62 work whether if about these two if none of us do anything right now the improvements to 62 are going to happen ODOT's already set the wheels in motion for improvements to 62 um from 161 up to uh

yeah Kroger yeah uh and I and I think they have it broken up into five or I can't remember off the top of my head I think it's five or six phasing uh sections right now uh the timing of that in funding mechanisms of that are still a little bit need to get worked out. Um, and a lot of that might actually get dictated on the momentum of Intel as that kind of um progresses. But we don't want to make any decisions in isolation when it comes to planning particularly with roadways. Now, as part of the final development plan, so let's assume that we get everything coordinated correctly with ODOT and the T. Um, as part of the final development plan too, um, the city could require the end user to do their own traffic study or a traffic analysis. Um, which Yeah. So, um, now, uh, Tim me Tim also mentioned, um, water and sanitary. Uh Tim and I are actually from the same hometown which actually does doesn't doesn't see a lot of economic development right now which um you know uh you know there's growing pains with economic development and growing pains with the city but trust me take the growing pains over the shrinking pains any day. Um cuz I've grown up in towns that uh were shrinking. It's it's you know having less opportunity knowing that there's jobs moving in here is great. Knowing that you have opportunities for your kids to stay if you want them to stay. Um so I I got sidetracked but anyways the water and sanitary we've been working with the city for about two years on a water and sanitary plan. Uh the water and sanitary to serve this area. The capacity is there. Um the designs are done. Actually the design is going through final permitting to come through the plan development right now. We would have to update the plan um to refine the plan uh west of Clover Valley. But the water

reservation, the sanitary reservation is already accounted for in our development agreement with the city and the funding of the water and sanitary would be paid 100% by the endusers uh or new Albany company and then there's a reimbursement program through the new community authority but all development would pay for development. So, and that was a piece that was brought up on when this came to council first as well.

Yeah. So, we'll talk more about the new community authority and uh the financing structures that probably later in the agenda, but um we feel very confident that the water and sanitary is accounted for because the well fields recently in Johntown got certified um and the city's working actually uh the city of Johntown water treatment plant that's under construction right now. The city of Johnstown uses about that's that's going to have a million gallons per day capacity.

The water treatment there's about 600,000 gallons of use per day generally. Um so there's a lot of capacity in the short term right now. Once that water treatment plant is constructed, the city is going to need about six about 900,000 gallons of water uses to cover the debt service. So, uh we need development in the area. And sorry, you said there's already an agreement with the city for the water. Well, uh um we I shouldn't say we are u finalizing that agreement. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. Okay.

Um it's not passed through legislation, but we've been um working on this for about 18 months. So, I think we have uh final comments from everybody involved. But

in fairness to Jeff, he just joined you recently and there's a lot to get his head around. And so we we kind of pumped the brakes a little bit to allow Jeff to catch up a little bit and get input from those that are um you know input from before we move that I did want to say one quick thing. I didn't want to you know Jamie said something earlier about the community planning that went on by the city and hired MKSK etc. Um, one of the one of the great uh the great accomplishments of a public private partnership is when the public the public entity puts forth what it wants for a particular area of town and then the private entity is able to follow through on that. So, I just want to reiterate that this this zoning does in fact further what your community plan recommends for the area.

Thank you. Um, point of order. We've had uh the applicant come up and speak several times and then we told our residents that you get three minutes and that's it. So, I would like to open the floor back up to the community if anybody didn't put in a speaker slip. Um, we're still going to respect the three-minute rules. Um, but I'd like to hear from people who haven't spoken yet. Sorry, if you come up and say your name. There is a We are still going to stick to the three-minute rules. Phil Baker live right across the street. Uh, his name. Phil Baker. Thank you. What you haven't mentioned, we went to the state meetings too on traffic, a proposed road along the tree line to reroute Clover Valley.

Can you talk about that? Okay. Which would come along the tree line and then beside my property and swing out. We were told it'd be five lanes, 245. Phillip. No, no, no. You're fine.

All right. Go ahead. I was going to have you address us and the whole community. So, we went to the state meetings. We were told there's a proposed there's two routes. Uh, one would be along that tree line across the street, run close to my property, but kind of swing out because New Albany owns the property beside me where the pipeline went through and the road would swing out through there and then go maybe not quite a quarter mile down Duncan Plane and then curve and go across Duncan Plane parallel with Clover Valley, but west of it through the fields up 237. So reconnect

Tedrics, they wouldn't have to worry about traffic cuz the new Clover Valley would alleviate all the traffic on the road other than the people living cold basically at the church. Thank you. Thank you, Philip. Well, we're going to Hang on, J. I'm sorry. We're we're going to stick with public comments for a second. Like to speak. Yes. Yes. Come on up. Please state your name and understand that we're going to still do the three minutes. I don't think you you don't get a punch every time you talk at these meetings. You know what I mean? Like you don't get a free something at the end. I feel like you're part of my family. We've been here so many times. The one the one thing I'm Alan B. Thank you Alan.

Johntown, Ohio. So um one thing that I would suggest to you is um I'm all for industrial, right? And I think that's would really help the city, right? The the tax base from that. One question that I have is how does that impact your traffic flow? So originally there was going to be housing down there. So the housing would would stay down there and not actually pass through. So if you put a bunch of industrial there that's going to overload Clover Valley, it's going to overload 62 because that's that's when you look at the traffic studies today, that's where you're having a problem is in the morning and then at in the evening going back outside of the town. So, if you add uh industrial down there, that's going to add more traffic because it's going to create more jobs, which is going to pull from people that live outside the city, but has to get there. So, I would expect that you would see an increase in traffic on both Clover Valley and 62 at the wrong time of the day. So, I would suggest that the city or zoning or the Albony company look at how how can they put use their influence to try to help alleviate the problems that we have within the city because what you were proposing to do is great except for the fact that we have a traffic problem at 6237. So, I don't know if there's any way that they could help assist us as we ask for um help.

So, thank you. Thank you, Alan. Thank you. I get the state of Ohio problem, Mr. Tedric, would you like to finish? Yeah.

Is what I started to say when I sat down. I've had a lot of people call me over the years and go, "We want to put a housing development in Monroe Township." And we're going, "Sorry." And I did retire from the board of health. So, I know a little bit about that, too. But you have to have the infrastructure. You have to have the water and sewer, especially if you're going to have the homes. We have none of that. And when I tell people that, they're kind of taken back because they think Johntown just ran it all over creation in Monroe Township and we all know it. They didn't. So, you have to take that into account with the water and sewer. Water you can run anywhere. Sewer is going to take a while with a lot of EPA and other entities that have to approve that.

Is there any questions you guys had about Piper? Because yes, there's going to be a data center that came out of Chicago. The only reason my committee approved that was because they said they were going to use a small amount of the 118 or 124 acres that Randy owned. Ry's on my zoning committee. So, I'm very privy to some of that information, too. But because it was a small amount in the middle, that's why we approved it for that purpose. Just to clear it up. Thank you. Anybody else from the community? Do we want to invite Dr. Wagner back up to No,

the point I always say we he didn't have I wanted him to finish his thought. Okay. Um so any comments from the board? Well, no. I do want Dr. Wagner to come back up because I'm worried about schools. This isn't this isn't about residential. This is we're talking about infrastructure, but he was worried about it. But that's not this application. Oh, he's Dr. Wagner. Did you have anything else to add? No, I don't at this time. Thank you. I think at the next time I can jump in. Yeah, we still have two others. We have to get Yeah. So, so right now we're talking about just uh application zoning map amendment. That's the only thing we're we're looking at right now. We're not considering the other two on the

And I'm not trying to be rude, Brian, but public comment right now. What are we not doing? Isn't this potential? I know AG right now AG but are we want to zone it industrial sub area but then I thought we want we want to zone it. So here we can't reszone at anything, right? We have no say here. The applicant who owns the land has come to us. They are the only ones who can ask us to resone. We want to reszone this from AG to PD. We are going to approve or disprove them reszoning from AG to PD. That is the only say that we have. No, we can have we can make a recommendation to the board to council

and this somewhere that it could be housing. We can make a recommendation to council that they not put this in sub area one and that they can put it in sub area five which includes all of the above. Gotcha. But it is again it's a recommendation to council. This board doesn't have the final say. Don't slash my tires on the way out. Yes. You want to tell them what car you drive? Um does anybody want to on the board want to make a recommendation? A motion. I'll make it make a motion to approve application 4-15-26 as written uh with the edits. Yes. With the reference to chapter 1164 being fixed to 1165.

I'll second from Ryan. A vote from Mark. Yes. Yes. Kyle. Yes.

Yes. Motion passes.

Okay. Public hearing chap item number five, chapter 1165, plan development text amendment. Recommendation to council needs to be made within 30 days. Just a reminder there for us. And again, this is a public notice. This is a public hearing. Um, any comments from the board before we move on from for hear from the applicant? Does anybody want to set the stage? Who you do a really good job with it. You're amazing. All right. Sorry. Getting blood pressure back down. So, chapter 116 PD text amendment. This is a text amendment to the plan the plan development chapter 1165 which is correctly referenced in title in itself um

in the the exact text that has been changed I believe is in reference to how many acre the size of what that PD district is as well as having that sub area inclusive of an additional being sub area 1E in this instance. Okay. All else is remains as the same unless the applicant who is much very familiar with this as well wants to correct me.

Yeah, I'd like I think we should hear from the applicant. So Aaron Underh Hill once again um tech technically I would do want to be clear we we have made this request of the city um the city council is probably technically the applicant. Um we've done us the courtesy of allowing us to to pursue this. But so this code amendment there are a couple of things that we're trying to do here. Um uh one is to slightly modify the eligibility to add on to the PD district. Uh the current uh language of the code and how it was written a couple years back was that uh any any um property to be added to the existing PD district would need to be either under common ownership with something within the district or the applicant would need to be the same applicant who applied for the original PD district. What we're finding is with some of the properties on what are now the perimeters of this that there may be some some properties that may want to be uh rolled in into the PD but that we may not be in contract to purchase and we would like if we're if we're going to be providing um if we ourselves the New Alb company or the Johnstown Land Company wants to add property to the PD district the basic premise here would be as long as we're part of it if someone else wants to come along for the ride as a part of a master planning effort, we could bring them in along with us. So, um we feel like there are maybe some opportunities now that this thing is is expanded a bit to um to bring others under the tent and they may or may not be sellers and may have their own um thoughts. So, um but it kind of goes along in the vein of of uh we think master planning is the best way to go about this and rather than having things come in peace meal, it would provide that opportunity. Jamie,

I'd like you to maybe bring the map back up. So, that's the first thing, and that's the more minor of the two things in my opinion that we're looking for.

He was hiding.

Yeah, okay. So, as we discussed at some length in the last application, um we do have um three sub areas today under the PD district that would allow residential. We talked about the number of units, etc., but sub area three is purely multifamily uh residential that's allowed right now as of right. We have a commercial and mixeduse area that would allow that as well. Oh, and then we have um sub area 5 here that was mentioned. It would sort of an either or situation where you it can be chosen to bring sub area one rights in or sub area 4 rights in. Once that decision is made on that first development, the whole sub area has to continue down that path if that makes sense. Um, as Jamie mentioned, uh, the city and the New Albony Company have been able to, uh, really put themselves in the running for some projects that, um, the state's trying to chase. Um, there was there was one that was a really major job producer that we came in second for. Uh, and the only reason we lost out is it was to Texas where the the project um, already had a presence and the company did. Um, so we really feel like we're gaining some momentum and and our thought is later this year. We would like to come in and reszone the entire PD district to basically keep the rights like the the one you just recommended approval on and the rights of sub area one, but extend those to where the multifamily and commercial mixeduse sub areas are. But in doing that, we still have a belief that if we're going to be bringing in jobs, the housing component needs to be able to remain. And so what this code change is is going to allow for residential density transfers. So in in theory, what we would do with that zoning is we would take the residential units that are here and we

would do one of two things. And I've got a want of you to listen to me before you start looking at my paperwork. So I'll hand that out in a second. But what we would plan to do is either a as part of that zoning, we would say we want to take the units that are currently allowed here and we want to put them up into a cloud, so to speak, and they're going to hang there. and that they would sort of hang there until such time as we found a replacement property at which time we would identify that property would have to reszone it and ask to bring those units out of that cloud or that bank we call it a housing bank into onto the new property. That decision is not a right. It's a it's a it's an ability to make that request. So this planning commission, the city council would have the ultimate say so of if those units ever move anywhere. So if they deem the location where we want those units to go to be inappropriate, you tell us no. The other way this could happen is if we come in at that time and we put those units up in into the bank, we deposit them into the bank and we have another property at that time that we want to relocate some or all of them to. We would identify those at that time and the same logic would apply in the same analysis. The planning commission and the council would make the determination as to whether those units are appropriate to be located somewhere else. So what it does is it in the short term would allow all of this to be um put towards more uh job producing and employment generating uses that are good for economic development for the community and then but allow us the opportunity to place units in other places when appropriate. The other thing and last thing that this does is it would allow us as a part of that process to um put in a formula to say that well one multifamily or say one multifamily unit equals this many single family units. So um let's just use for

an example I think I maybe said every two multifamily units means one single family unit. When we create that bank we would put those rules into place as to what that that formula would mean. And here again, that's discretionary on your all's part. Um, if you don't like what we're proposing, you propose something else and we write it into the document. But the intent is to maintain some flexibility. Um, because we believe that residential development is part of a broader economic development plan. We think for all the reasons Jamie has mentioned that um, because Intel has slowed down and the amount of employees are going to have, we don't feel like the market is as robust right here as it would be at one time. But we want to make sure that in the future we have the ability to um you know provide other opportunities for housing to serve employees. So, I'm going to hand out um these are double-sided. So, um just hand out several photos of people going into eventure. So this is just a graphical depiction of uh of these two scenarios that I mentioned for this housing bank. So what would happen is we would we would file an application for a reasonzoning and an amended preliminary development plan which is what we're expect this is essentially a preliminary development plan under your code. It's kind of a bubble plan. We would identify the number of units we propose to be transferred. Uh and we would identify the types of units we want to be transferred and then it would begin a negotiation of well what does what do the multifamily units that we want to we want to change into another type of unit

mean? How how are we going to to to change that equation? because as Jamie mentioned, single family unit has a much different impact on your community and school district than a multif family unit does. Um, we would, let's say that we wanted to move 150 uh uh units out of this uh PD and move them somewhere else. Um, I think I actually did the math wrong here, but let's say it was 2 to one, uh, or 3 to one, sorry, three multif family units equal one single family unit, then that would allow us to move to create 50 single family units in another location, provided that you all agree that that location is appropriate. So process one and two, the only difference between the two of those is that in one instance, we place the units into a bank for later use because we haven't identified another property yet to place them. Uh process two is where we would uh take those units and immediately transfer them to another property. But the important thing here with this code change is that it's only placing a process uh into into play rather than saying that we're actually moving these units at all. It allows us to kind of create this opportunity in the shorter term to uh create more industrial development opportunities and employment generating opportunities while down the then as the the residential market materializes allowing us later to determine where those units should go. So threw a lot at you there, but that's that's the concept.

Is it already predetermined how many multif family and how many single are in that 1,200? No. Okay. That will be part of the zoning negotiation. Okay. Yeah. Also, just to just maybe I'm reading this wrong, but there's a typo where it says No, it ain't about math. Believe me, I don't get that. Um mathematician. Yeah. No, I So where it says on that front page, two multifamily units, where it says there's the example, that should say three. Okay. Sorry. No, you're good.

Um my only question was about I guess it seems like you're adding so like if I have 150 permitted multifamily units, right, and that transfers up into the cloud that then gives you the ability to have and to put it somewhere else, which say David Dunn's property, right? That would be an example of moving those to a location where there's probably already going to be housing. That way, to Dr. Wagner's point, we're not overindating the schools.

But the result equals 150 less multifamily units allowed in existing PD. 50 single family units may be developed on other property. So, does that take your 1,200 up to,250? That would actually reduce0000 down to 1050 and then the 50 would go on the other property. So there' be a net of 1100. Perfect. I just I'm like I said not good at word problems. So yeah leaves at 4 p.m. If council agrees that it's three multif family to one single family then I was just looking at the wanted to make sure. And these negotiations with these banks is with city council. Correct. Well, you would get the say in it. This board would do the same thing we're doing

here or is that we would make the recommendation and it's still up to council. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So, I didn't think we'd be a part of it, but this code amendment is not setting any of those ratios. It's just providing a mechanism for us to have that conversation with. Um, and part of the reason why I'm going to be proactive about this is the area in yellow and pink right now we think is a prime site for a potential economic development project.

Those projects come really quick and we, you know, we'll find out about it on Tuesday, we got to submit on Thursday and we want to get out ahead of it right now so we have this this process in place. Um, we also don't want to be trying to be cute about just relocating these units that are currently entitled when we don't know what really where the best place is. We want to work with the city to make sure that um we're all aligned where this is going to be long term. The city of New Orleans has done something similar in the past. It was a little bit different because there was one land owner that owned the majority of the land and they could have that residential density bank. By having this code in this process, we can transfer units outside of the plan development to other users that then puts the city in position to better negotiate without adding additional residential density into the overall bank of the city. Um, so those are a couple things, but we do think housing is going to be essential for economic development, too, because when we meet with companies, they often want to know what's the day in the life like for an employee, what's their commute, where's the schools, um, and where's housing going to be. We don't necessarily to attract businesses have to have the housing built uh, today, but we have to have a plan or a of of where we think housing's going to be. um and the product types. So, we want to try to best position the city as we try to sell to to the to the to the companies who really want moving here.

All right, perfect. Um what's the timeline on this? So, I I remember if I remember right, like the pro property has to be built before you can start the residential. Oh, um yes. So, I think there was there's some requirement in the PD district. did some construction or a purchase or construction start on uh some of the sub area one property before he's got to equal the

the truth of the matter is if with this process one of the reasons we wanted to do this is if if the code's going to take you know if we get your recommendation tonight it has to go through city council etc it won't even be effective until probably August uh then we would have to file a zoning to create you know that process everything here. So, we're and then we have to move them to another site. And so, the residential development that we thought was going to happen sooner is now going to happen much later in and in somewhere else if we can if we can do this, right? Yeah. I think that's the big piece to look at too is that everything has changed so much because like Jamie mentioned in the beginning, Intel was

full steam ahead six weeks prior to they're like we're opening doors 3 months ago and now they're going to go on a vacation. I I appreciate the opportunity too to not just be stuck with those 1,200 units and have other housing be developed all over the place and then we're still stuck with that and to be able to, you know, put them in other areas would be nice.

And, you know, it brings a tear to my eye that Dr. Wagner's leaving because I I I love working with him. Um, but uh I I understand we've we've maybe got a replacement for him to to try to fill his shoes, but you have our word that before we do any of this, the first phone call we're making, probably after talking to some city council folks, is is to talk to the school district. And we're not just going to come in and and throw a number out there that isn't defensible and isn't workable for the schools. So, they will always be part of our conversation as we as we move down this path. All right. Thank you, Aaron. Any questions from the board?

Yeah. Just so an overall understanding, we took we had originally when it was all developed, we said you got to put so many houses per acre or something, right? Or 150 units and now we're moving that down to 50 units. It was negotiated. Negotiated. It's negotiated and but it's basically going into a bank to decide how to best use it and where to put it. Put it somewhere else. Yeah. But it's also multif family which are apartments. Yeah. Two single family and we get a voice in the narrative meaning we get to to talk about where what is there a precedent that we have to have multif family somewhere though? No. Okay. No. No other questions for the board.

So the only thing that I'm I can't say the only thing. One thing that I don't like is the up in the air of where the housing will land. The cloud piece of it. Where's that gonna land? I do like the fact that it will be I mean, I can appreciate that, but brought brought back brought back before us and also to city council as well, but if it lands somewhere, who know? I don't know where that where that's going to be. I I agree with I hear you, but like inside a point right now would be silly. So, it's within a mile. Oh, no, no, no. Right, right. But but it's that's the unknown though. I'm agreeing with that. But the unknown is where is that going to land? Yeah. And how is that?

I think I think ideally it would land in areas that are already planning to be developed as residential. So I mean there are a lot of talks right now about property that's going to be turning into Go ahead, Mark. Was this the piece that was decided for within a half mile of the current PD or has attached with or be within a half mile of the PD district?

That that was the the concept originally. um this is expanding that a bit um and and but the point is I think so the Dunn property is the prime example right um I don't know I don't represent Mr. done or the Dun family, but if they want X number of units and that's what the community has said, that's probably acceptable and then there was a plan from the school district's perspective for whatever it was three units an acre and and then there's a plan here if they want more density and they want to come in and try to convince you. One thing, you know, we could work with them to try to get some of these units placed over there.

Yeah. Um, we I also want want you to know that when we deposit these into a bank, um, the subsequent decision as to where they go, if they sit there in that bank for 5 years, that's a zoning, too. So, that's also a negotiation. So, there's no absolute right that when they're placed in the bank that they're going to come out and go anywhere in particular. So that that would be so from our perspective, it'd almost be better if we came in the first time and told you where in fact heck they were going to put them because then we know we have rights to them somewhere, but I don't see that happening. And we could we could try to identify a property and jam a number of units on there. Probably going to be wrong. So the concept is well this at least buys us all that time and gives you all still the input later on with a separate application to move them to the appropriate location.

Awesome. Thank you. So does the sorry does the this is what I was ask kind of asking before is the number of acres does that increase the radius of where that housing can go from the half half mile to two to 2 and 1/2 miles it's got to be in the city it's got to be within city limits at that point too it's got to be congruent limits yeah you're right so it's going to go so far. Yeah. And I mean, Johntown's only I guess it's grown now, but it was 2 and a half square miles. So, it was not a very large area that it could be put within anyways. So, then at that point, it's got to be touching any of the city limits in order for us to annex it in.

So, that's why or for the landowner to annex it in. And correct myself before I get yelled at. Yeah. We have actually You're you're right. We've increased it to two miles rather than a half mile. And that that encompasses most of John'stown, right? because this is the southernmost part that's been expanded and it was two square miles up above. So So does that housing then does that housing then have to land in John'stown? Yes. Yes. Okay. Is it also has to land within the school district they sell their bank to somebody else that's within that's what they talking about is being able to like let's say that the Dun property gets developed give those units to the

without the city's permission. No, they couldn't cuz I caugh they own apartments around here that they haven't built on cuz they say, "Oh, yeah, we'll sell you even higher density or something." Right. The city still has to it has to go through council. City has to approve of everything. Public comment. All right. Thank you. Um public comment. Where's the property at? We need fair. Master Fair Jersey next to the high school. Not here. It's about 400 acres. Tim, would you like to speak? Yeah. Right under the We're going to do the timer again. I know you love it. Love it. And to be honest, it's been in talks for 20 plus years.

Water Johntown. Uh I think you guys already have a process. I'm a little confused by what the city gains by this by putting 1,200 units in a cloud. Anyone that wants to develop housing anywhere already has to come in and do it. So all you're doing is giving them the authority to control 1,200 units wherever they want them to go. Anyone that annexes in or wants to annex in and build homes already has to come to you and see it. So if you want to control housing, you've already got that authority. This just actually gives some of the authority away from what you currently have because now you're guaranteeing them 1,200 units that they get to hold in their hand and park only at that property, not anywhere else. If they want to develop that into something else, they lose the right to those homes.

But yeah, go ahead. Sorry discussion. I apologize to you're fine because now what you can do is if I want to develop my land they and you go well we don't have housing I have to go then broker with them. You're allowing them to broker homes for the school for the city. You're giving them the authority not yourself. You're actually giving away your own authority when you do this. I don't see where the city benefits unless you're getting money. Are they giving the city money to for future development for it? Otherwise, you're just giving them the authority to sell those houses at any market rate that they want and you can't develop and they can hold 1,200 units. We know from the schools what they can afford basically housing units, right? They're going to hold 1,200 of those now. So, you're going to control other housing with that. You're going to limit other property owners what they want to do because they they hit that magic number and they're still holding 1,200 homes. You can't build anymore without the high school and everything. The other thing to be aware of if you do a bank like that, one for one's not even the same because when we negotiated this originally, we talked about one and two-bedroom apartments. One and two-bedroom apartments generate a lot less kids in three-bedroom apartments. So even if you go into multif family versus single family housing, you really have to look at the type and style the price point. There's a lot that goes into it. When that was originally planned that why we talked about like 30 some kids maximum of 60 coming out of there because of the price point and the number of bedrooms in those and they were limiting the number of three-bedroom. It goes into the cloud. It's not one multif family for one multif family. It's number of bedrooms and all that that really gets it and and you can really chew up your housing uh your student population in a hurry with that. So I just don't see what's the benefit to the city. I understand why they want it. I just don't understand what the city gets out of it other than they control they already you already have the authority for them to come in and you say no. So thank you.

Thank you Tim.

You know I have a Allan Benton Jonestown Ohio. Um I kind of echo what Tim is saying right. So like the Dunn family, right? We were at a presentation. They want to have like 1,200 homes. Okay. So what are they going to do? Get the entire um you know bank from New Albony Company and develop the property. So this is this is a situation where if the city wants to develop the Dun property, develop the Dun property, have them come to you, have them come up with a solution, a proposal for you to do. All you're doing by creating this bank is you're enriching the New Albony Company because it's giving them something that they can then sell to other developers in the area. And the New Albony Company is a business, right? They're great partners. They're a great company, but but in the same breath, they've decided that they want to take what was residential and turn it into industrial. Anyone would want to do that because industrial property is worth a lot more than residential property. So, so that's the reason why they want to do the industrial versus residential. And if you allow them to create this bank, you're just giving them a another source of income, which is then this banks because they can sell to other developers. So, thank you.

Thank you. Thank you, Alan. Any other comments?

Yes, sir. Philip Wagner, Chro Schools. I know there may have been some additional questions. Um, one of the things that I would emphasize in all this is making sure that we're working on these things strategically. Like in my head, when you start talking about moving housing banks around, that can become very expensive for a school district. Think about what a school bus a school bus is right now, a school bus for us can hold about 70 children in the elementary age. We get to high school, you're about 40ome students. A school bus route for us right now uh to generate one new route is about $100,000 to the school district. If you had, let's just say 500 students, new new housing, and it's interdispersed throughout the school district, your costs are much greater. If you have those clustered, we can get into more community stops. So, there's just a lot to this that we would like to continue to work, you know, as we always have with our partners in this. We Ellen Bettton always says as best we don't really control a lot but we are in we can help influence and you know these are things like when we dig into the weeds we need to really make sure that we're thinking about these things.

Anything I can answer from before I know you Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Any other comments from the board or from the city? No. So what to Tim's point? I mean he brought I think he brought up a good point. What what does that do? I um before we hear from them, if we hear from them I don't know. I kind of think it gives us more negotiation leverage having the bank, but that's me personally. Um any thoughts on the board?

Mr. Chair, do you have some more background on this from the discussion with council or in general? Yeah, my my understanding is you're not giving anything to them that doesn't have value from the city standpoint because we have to approve any change that's made and so the change has to be in the best interest of the city as well as the Albany company or Johntown company. So the city originally there was a an issue of having enough housing because the initial project with Intel was going to have a lot of housing really close. That's why it was developed that way. Now it's a different project. It makes sense to have some flexibility. The bottom line is no change can occur of any substance without the city's approval.

Yeah, agree with that. Ear,

thank you. And to Mr. Swagger's point, um I would agree that that that the rules and regulations that apply to the units that can be built in this PD district were were negotiated with this the school district. And um if I were in your shoes, I'd say, well, if you want them to go in the cloud, they go into the cloud with the same rules, right? And that's the sort of thing I'm talking about. And and that's the sort of thing that we would negotiate. We'll probably have a couple of pages worth of rules. And um and so that's how you deal with that issue. I think, you know, from our standpoint, like with the New Albany example, New Albany has been planned for a certain number of homes on an overall growth basis in the whole community, right? Just like we've done in this PD. That's kind of the basis for for uh kind of where we came up with that uh how do we how we quantify the number of residential units to be allowed. Um but I do think if if you as a community say we want if someone else comes in and wants to build 300 units, wouldn't it be nice for them to come to us and use some of these 300 units? So on an overall basis, you're getting not the 1,200 plus the 300, you're getting something less than that. And so the intent here I want to emphasize is not not to set the rules today. It's uh of of what those units are going to look like or where they go. It's just to provide a process for us to have a dialogue and

make a decision sooner rather than later as to whether or not we do want to this to go from residential and mixed use to industrial. um you know this makes that a lot easier for us to make that decision and and uh position a site for employment generating uses. Thank you. I I personally feel like the way I the way I think about this and hear this is that that I don't think New Albony their company cares what we do, right? They don't care single multi. They want to do what our community wants. Um, I would like to talk to Tim, maybe get his perspective again if I could later. But, um, I think I think it's val valid stuff both ways.

Yeah.

But I I still think though by Yeah, I get this bank thing. But by doing that, we can we can kind of have more of a seat at the table to say this is what we want. Then things might end up there in our favor for what the community wants. But that's just me speaking out loud. I'm kind of an idiot. So, Well, I think to bring up the add the to the piece of the reason why they want to do this in the first place. They have two sections of the PD district currently that is 80 acres that they want to take from basically what can be built on for homes and 1,200 homes at that in 80 acres or,200 units inside of 80 acres to me that I don't do math very well either but that sounds like a very high density within that space.

I agree. So, we're hireing that and instead of shoving a bunch of houses right there, we can potentially have an opportunity for a company to come in, provide a lot of jobs on 80 acres worth of land that can be utilized for industrial purposes and bring jobs into the area. Yeah. What I'm what I'm trying to say is that maybe I need to wait and think about this and review what Tim said and then come back to it later. So, I'm leaning towards moving to table it. Yeah. Again, it's a public hearing. So, it's going to be a public hearing, but then it's we have to make the within 30 days. Yeah. So, we don't table it. We don't need to table it. We can Okay. We just It's a public hearing,

but I I just want to make sure we review everything. I know we're It's just a recommendation, but unless there's a motion otherwise tableabling this for right now. I would like to make sure that we consider everything. That's Yeah. So, we just consider again on the next agenda. All right. All right. So, moving on. Public hearing chapter 1141 text amendment. Potential uh recommendations council needs to be made within 30 days. Um let's start with you guys. I think you I think it's a great place to start. You want to start talking for clarification. Is it is it your very next meeting? We'll be coming back to you in a couple weeks. Yeah.

It's not unrealistic. It's half of it is I'll make a motion to table. Oh, okay. I'll second it. Steve Dyer. Steve, not to backtrack you. No, you're good. Just reached out to Teresa. We do need to schedule a public hearing on 4. I'm sorry. The application it still needs a public hearing. We We had the public hearing tonight. Okay. I just reached out to Teresa. So then why would it be on the I thought that's what we were we just had the Yeah, we had the public hearing and then we voted on it after the public spoke. Okay. We have the opportunity to have two public hearings.

Okay. If we choose to table um and that's what we just did on five. Okay. So with five No, that's okay. No, you're not. Reach out to Teresa. No, you're fine. I appreciate it. Yeah, I know. So number five for your example is that we had a public hearing. We're going to table it, which gives the public another opportunity to come up and talk again, which is that public hearing. So, no, thank you. You want to finish that motion? We're good. Okay. Well, we all we have to vote it, I guess. I misheard what she was saying. I thought she was saying we needed a motion to table, but we don't. You want to just I think Are we all in favor on tableing here? My consensus. You're on a table. We're going to take all in favor. Oh, yeah. Do you want to do an all in favor?

Yes. All in favor? I I opposed. We're so good at this. Pay professionals people. Hey professionals experts up here, guys. It's past my bedtime. All right. Can you tell us about It's past his bedtime. So, can you tell us about

Okay. So, um this next one is really um intended to help development pay its own way for infrastructure. And um uh it's a it's an amendment to your code that requires uh certain properties uh most properties if they're going to either be annexed into the city or if they're going to be they're over 5 acres in size are going to be zoned for proposed to be zoned for something other than one single family residence that they will be required to join a new community authority.

Yeah. And a new community authority is something that the city has already uh city council has already approved and set up. Uh but it is a voluntary quote unquote voluntary charge. This will make it somewhat involuntary,

right? uh that uh in in your community requires uh a development to pay 9.75 mills annually on top of their regular tax bill into a special fund to be utilized for public infrastructure uh costs for funding and and reimbursement of those costs. So the intent here um we've already made the commitment with our property that's in the PD district to do that. Uh the intent is that when some of those utilities come out of the ground, this I'll let Jamie speak to some of this here in a moment. Um but uh others that are going to be benefiting from this as well should have to pay their own way. And the city will have other opportunities throughout the community, even if they're not served by this infrastructure, but to benefit from other development coming and paying this charge. So it will have another funding source for other public infrastructure like road improvements and maintenance and things that it may need. So the whole intent behind this is this has been done in other communities is to require in exchange for something the developer needs like an annexation or a zoning that they agree to do this.

Um so first I want to be clear that the city cannot make an exist so if you're an existing property in the city the city cannot make you join an NCA. the only time somebody would be uh joining an NCA the only theoretically anybody could join but the only time anybody would actually join is when they're going in to reszone. So um this is geared towards economic development projects. So, the new community authority is established. I'm actually one of the board members and I think the vice president of uh the the new community authority. The new community authority, the way it's established under Ohio law, the majority of the seats have to be representatives from the city. So, the city has four seats right now of the seven seats and they will always have the majority. Anytime there's a vote, the city always has to have majority in in present or in the vote. Um so this for example is one project that we're working on that's coming down the pike for um a new community authority. So new community authorities have to by law prioritize infrastruct the new community authority in Johntown by law has to prioritize infrastructure projects. So the money that comes in through the NCA can't just go straight to the parks. it has to be prioritized towards infrastructure. Now, once that infrastructure is paid off, uh there could be discretionary funds for other things. So, for example, this project right now, we the new company's already paid uh seven figures in engineering plans. Right now, it's going through final approval for the water and sanitary for the PD right now. We're waiting on the final o uh OEPA

approvals. Uh but this is about 223 million in hard cost right now. If for what if for example so the quicker we pay down the debt on the money the quicker the city then once um whoever owns the bonds whether it's the new albony company or somebody else whoever owns the bonds once it's paid back then the city g this NCA fee goes on indefinitely. um it doesn't burn off. So, it's on somebody's tax bill forever. And those funds will once the debt's paid, the funds go to the city. The quicker the the debt is retired, the quicker the city gets money. Having one new community authority aligns interest between everybody, between the city and the private development. So, for example, just because it's on a screen, if somebody decided to come in and develop Kyber Run for residential or something and they wanted to tap into these water and sanitary lines, but they didn't pay for it. The city is saying, "If you want the resoning, you have to join the NCA. you have to pay the NCA fee and then help pay down a proportionate share of the debt so that everybody's interests are aligned so that somebody can't just tap into uh infrastructure that benefits them that they're not paying for because ultimately it just hurts the city as in the city's not getting the funds. So that's that's the concept. Um and I again I don't know who the city is is the city actually applicant on this or

the same as the last so technically the city is the applicant and we were asked um it to help see this through and shepherd this through because it's it's a way to align the private uh interest between everybody. And what we don't want to do is create um various infrastructure uh NCAs because then you could have competing infrastructure projects and different funds. You know, how do things get prioritized by having one fund that the city oversees? It helps align everybody. So, thank you. Any questions?

I just had one comment. uh with the Johntown Land Company being a representative of the city. Basically, the city did not ask for this application of one single NCA. The Johntown Land Company is uh well technically who is the applicant? It's because I know we've discussed it briefly, but we didn't agree to having one single C NCA yet, right? So, this is like the last one. We we have had discussions with this city about this and the city council because of just the way these processes work. They would typically initiate a code amendment. Um we are advocating for a single one. That's not to say city council has cuz you all you ultimately have a hearing on this yourselves and

correct. So not necessarily the city but correct. Okay. Just wanted to be sure because I do want to continue the conversation. I just didn't want to make the public think the city was asking for it. No, you're good. Jamie, thanks Kyle. Any comments? Questions from the board? Um, any public comment? Come on up, Tim. Mine's more of a general question for you. The NCAA Sorry. Yes, please use the microphone because people at home want to know what we're saying.

I I did have the question on who is the applicant for the NCAA because if it's the city doing it, they can technically appoint all seven board members. If it's public private partnership, it's four board members. So that's it is critical for you guys to understand which one you're entering into because it's control of the NCA correct is determined by that. So that's that was a good question. I just want to make sure you guys understood the diff by law there are differences by who initiates the petition. Thank you. Thank you Tim. Appreciate that. So one question I did have when you were talking about tapping in to lines. Are you talking about like tapping into the sewer and water lines? Yeah. There's tapping fees. That's correct. The tap fees would still go to the city. Okay. Okay. And so what were you the NCA is an additional additional

an additional on top of the tap fee that will continue with each business that comes in there. He's simply stating that no one can tap into our water lines without paying that NCA that is a business you know that is coming in is separate from the tap fee. Yes. That's what I wanted to clarify that still occurring. Uh if somebody comes in to reszone, the city still would have the power to negotiate to join the NCA, but by doing this code revision, it makes it more clear for end users.

All right. Any any comments from the city? Anything to add? I think it makes sense for the city to have a uniform policy on the infrastructure that's being developed as a part of this development. I rump I agree with that. All right, decision time. Yeah, we make a motion. I will make a motion to uh recommend approval. Yeah, exactly. Make a motion to approve the text amendment to chapter 1141. I'll second it.

From Brian, yes. Clark, yes. Yes. Yes. So, can I clarify? Is this included with this? No. No, that was a different one. Okay. Yes. Other business. Moving on. Tim. Um, I love you. I appreciate you you guys speaking. It means a lot to us. It's uh not very often do we have people come in. So, uh it's it's kind of cool. Yeah. Did you want to bring back without hearing anything else? I'll make a motion to adjurnn.

I'll second. What's that? It's essential public comments and such. So, I think I got really good news. It's always good. Oh, yeah. He was a whole another piece. I agree. It's good. Yeah. I like that that we had Mark's here. We need to um feel I think that would clear a whole lot. Thank you. Who made who made who seconded the motion to approve to a better way to people that things are happening? Oh, okay. yourself, sir. Kyle Cook.