Board of Commissioners - Regular Meeting

I'd like to welcome everybody to our regular scheduled City Commission meeting for Johnson City. It's Thursday, August 6th at 6 o'clock, held at the Municipal and Safety Building. Call the meeting to order. First, I would love to welcome Dr. Matthew Young with Fountain of Life Bible Church for the invocation, followed by the pledge. If everybody would stand.

go ahead pray oh sorry dear father lord we just come before you uh this evening and with grateful hearts we thank you lord jesus uh for allowing us to live in this community knowing that every good gift comes from you thank you for the freedoms that we enjoy and tonight i ask your blessing upon the members of the john city commission i pray that you'll Grant them wisdom as they deliberate, discernment as they consider the needs of our community, and integrity as they make decisions that will impact the lives of so many. Help them to lead with humility, fairness, and compassion, always seeking what is right rather than what is merely expedient. Lord, I pray that you will put a hedge of protection around our police officers, our first responders, our EMS workers, our firefighters, Lord, I pray that you be with our governor, our commissioners. I just pray that you be with our whole area, Lord. And Lord, I just pray that you will be with this community in general, that we will show kindness and fairness to all and always be uplifting to you. In Jesus' name I pray. Amen.

Amen. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America.

under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Commissioners, the first order of business is to consider the approval of the minutes for the regularly scheduled City Commission meeting held on Thursday, July 16th, 2026.

Move for approval.

Second.

Ms. Louse, you call the roll.

Commissioner Fowler.

Yes.

Commissioner Goetz. Yes. Commissioner Wise.

Yes.

Vice Mayor Brock. Yes. Mayor Cox.

Yes.

The next item for consideration is public comment on the agenda. The first person we have signed up to speak is Tricia Carade to speak on Ordinance 4951-26. She is speaking neutral on this item.

Mr. Carade, if you don't care to state your name, and you have three minutes to address us, and we're looking forward to hearing what you have to say.

Usually you do rules first. Well, that's... Trisha Carade, 415 West Pine Street. Mayor, commissioners, manager, I'm here again to ask that we slow down on the decision to invest $37 million in a brand new asset that will permanently burden taxpaying citizens. I am fully supportive of the investments needed to continue to deliver core services to our residents, our businesses, and our visitors. A new aquatic center at this point in time is not needed. We are well on the path to fix Freedom Hall. Thank you for your support. And I appreciate the school board also supporting it and their ask that a maintenance plan be produced. We are continuing to take on more and more financial obligations that burden taxpayers and challenge our entire city leadership to work under tighter and tighter budgets. Just yesterday, the JCDA TIF Advisory Committee Agenda was posted, and it seems the JCDA is poised to commit taxpayers to a $2 million TIF obligation in support of work on the severe center, plus half a million dollars of carrying costs. All of this obligates taxpayers before a developer takes possession. Maybe the developer follows through on their intent to purchase the building next summer. I hope so. Maybe that purchase price will cover the $3.6 million mortgage in addition to this 2.5 million proposed obligation. Maybe. As a taxpaying citizen, I certainly hope so. The state of Tennessee seems poised to limit property tax increases. That's great for taxpaying citizens, or is it? If a mounting pile of financial obligations create a financial situation that starts to squeeze out core services, where does that money come from to continue to provide for our citizens? This all adds up, it all intersects at some unknown point in the future, and at that point, it's too late. We still have a choice right now to slow down, step back, and take a much more conservative path forward. According to the census data, the median household income in Johnson City is $57,000 per year on a per capita, a per person basis that's just under $37,000. That has to cover taxes, household expenses, putting kids through school, food, everything. Which is why we should be especially careful about decisions that commit costs for non-necessities that would increase long-term burden. Thank you.

Thank you.

The next speaker, the next person signed up to speak is Scott Albright. He has signed up to speak on Ordinance 4951-26, signed up to speak against the ordinance.

If you don't care to come up and state your name, and you've got three minutes to share your thoughts.

Hello, my name is Scott Albright, and I'm here tonight to please ask you to not push forward on the tax increase. I'm 39 years old. I'm a husband and a father of six children. Over the last five years or so, with the wonderful advent of COVID and all those horrible things it brought with it, the financial pressures to simply exist have grown and grown and grown. Just to pay a mortgage and utilities and gas and all the other wonderful expenses and put food on the table is a goalpost that is ever moving further away. And I know that I'm not alone in that feeling and that reality. With this tax increase that is proposed, I did the math on my residence. I own, I have a mortgage. And it's about a cost of $240 a year increase. $20 a month. Well, with my mortgage, the lender is going to have to do their nonsense where they double to hold over escrow for the following year. So about $40 a month is what I'm going to see hit my pocket directly from that. That's assuming there's no other increases in county taxes or in insurance and everything else that goes on with life. So homeowners are going to get hit. I mean, that's what happens when taxes go up. Tenants though are also going to get hit by this because when you have somebody that owns a property, they pay the property taxes, tenant pays the rent. When you have costs that go up, well, they're going to have to increase the rent to cover those costs plus whatever increase for the management fees. So what would be 40 bucks a month is now 50 bucks a month or $600 a year. on tenants that may not have even as much as I do and are already struggling even more. And then there's the increase in cost on commercial as well. They will also have to pay taxes, I assume, and usually at a higher percentage, I believe. When you have a business and costs go up, you either do one of two things or both. You cut expenses like staff and other things, or you increase the cost of your goods and services or both. So with this tax increase, We're going to have more expenses, maybe make less money. I don't know on that end. Can't prove it. But my gut says that we're going to see more than just the amount that goes on the tax bill. Myself and my fellow citizens, I feel like life is so hard. Our burdens are so great. Just trying to meet financial obligations. I would implore upon you to please not burden us any further. Thank you. Thank you.

The final person signed up to speak under this item is Coach Chris Coraggio, signed up to speak in favor of ordinance number 4951-26.

Coach, if you don't care to come up and state your name.

Chris Coraggio, 1 Saddlebrook Lane, Johnson City. I'm here today as I was before, and I promise you'll be here again for the third reading to advocate for the commission to respect the previous decisions you made in regard to the budget and pass the necessary property tax legislation to support those decisions. I appreciated the comments Ms. Corey made at the last meeting, recognizing the value that a good swimming program can have for children in the community. And I'm happy to hear how life skills learned in the pool have positively affected her child. However, her attempt to do an end run to undermine the vote of the commission after your thorough due diligence, consideration, and passage of the city's budget beaks a pure political subterfuge. I respect each of you for the work you put in during the budgetary procedures. The self-discipline you showed, you had to put up with, since it's a public forum, let's just call it stuff. Some of that stuff was proper civil discourse. Some was reprehensible threats, and some was just plain old rhetoric. And now, because of nuances in the tenancy of property tax law, you have to go through all that stuff again. God bless you. Ms. Corrid wants the city to slow down progress on the Aquatic Center. She is looking for a do-over, hauling out the same arguments that have already been made and carefully considered by you a few weeks ago. She is throwing around the possibilities of public-private partnerships or the selling of city assets like Freedom Hall as reasons to unfund your budget. But what is left out of that argument is that passing the tax plan, as outlined in the budget, in no way excludes pursuing other avenues. Amenities and programs for the Johnson City Aquatic Center can support and even encourage public-private partnerships. Just look at the naming rights that were sold for TBA Credit Union, ETSU's Bank of Tennessee Field, and Ballot Health Athletic Center, and the HMG competition pool at the Kingsport Aquatic Center. If Freedom Hall needs to be sold, that can still be done, and the proceeds can be used for the Aquatic Center or other worthwhile projects. As a football fan, I love trick plays, a fake punt, a quarterback sneak, a double reverse. But please, not here. Do not fall for the misdirection and sneakiness being used to try and undermine the budget that you have already thoughtfully discussed and passed. I thank you for your time.

Thanks, Coach.

The next item for consideration is to consider the consent agenda.

I'll start to my right, see if there's anything to pull. Dr. Fowler? I don't have anything. Vice Mayor Brock?

Come back to me.

Commissioner Wise? No, thank you. Commissioner Hess?

No, thank you.

All right, you're back on the hot seat.

That's all right, I'm good.

Move approval. Second. Ms. Lause, will you call the roll?

Commissioner Fowler? Yes. Commissioner Goetz? Yes. Commissioner Wise?

Yes.

Vice Mayor Brock? Yes. Mayor Cox?

Yes.

The next item for consideration is item under other. Excuse me one second please. This is to consider approval of a local agency project agreement with the Tennessee Department of Transportation for preliminary engineering of the Knob Creek widening project from SR 354, which is known as Boone's Creek Road to Mizpah Hills Drive. Jason Miles.

You got three minutes, Jason.

Good evening, Mayor, Vice Mayor, Commissioners. Here we go. I'm going to present to you the Knob Creek Road Section 2 project, which is from Mispah Hills Drive to Boone's Creek Road. So this is the extension of the current phase that we're working through designing now. Exhibit A here on the left side is from the agreement with TDOT. So this is a very brief summary of what this means. Basically, we're going to be doing the preliminary engineering and environmental work associated with this project, which on the right side is depicted by the red line. Again, it extends from Mitzpah Hills subdivision, essentially, to Boone's Creek Road. And of course, the current phase of the project has us building the bridge over the railroad, which will connect to this section at Mitzvah Hill subdivision. The project scope, again, is for that section of Knob Creek Road. It'll include the design for reconstruction of a two-lane roadway, addressing geometric issues to meet state route standards to become a future state route. The roadway is anticipated to become a super two-lane, which is basically a travel lane in each direction with a shared turn lane in between. It doesn't necessarily mean that the shared turn lane will be for the entire length of it. until we get into the design and engineering of the project. We won't know that, but certainly it's going to be for a substantial portion of it. And it could be for the entire length of the project. Financial impact. The city will manage this under a local programs agreement with TDOT. The total award is a $2 million award from TDOT from the state with a match requirement of $500,000. That match is going to be split between Johnson City and Washington County. $250,000 each. Here we have the approved TIP program. This is through Johnson City MTPO, which you see on the left. That's just a cover sheet from their report. On the right is the summary description of this particular project. What I've highlighted there are is in the bottom right, you see the $2.5 million for this project, which will lead us to the notice to proceed to construction phase in three years. The estimated cost of construction is $47.4 million at this time. Three years is from the execution of this agreement, which would be tonight if you approve that, and with the consent, of course, of Washington County sharing in that match. Just a quick update on where we are with the current project work that we're doing leading up to ultimately Section 2. So construction work is underway now. We estimate completion of December 2026. Where we are right now is up in that area that you see labeled as West Mountain View Road on the left side of the graphic. We've recently completed with the assistance and hard work of water and sewer. The utilities work that's going underneath West Mountain View Road. And now we're pivoting toward the widening of West Mountain View Road. That widening will go from Knott Creek Road, which you see in the bottom left corner, all the way up around where West Mountain View Road connects to West Oakland Avenue. You're probably aware of where that construction work ended with West Oakland Avenue, and that's where we'll tie in there. Basically right between those developments around that curve. The next phase of construction, of course, will be the big overpass project. Construction is estimated to begin fall of 2027. Still holding firm to the design schedule completion of bid documents in December of this year. There's some permitting that still has to be done. We estimate that to be into the spring. But letting the project to construction hopefully no later than the fall next year. That project is estimated to take two to three years. And, of course, Section 2 will take probably the same amount of time, give or take. But Section 2 design has to be completed within three years so that we can move to construction. So we've got all these things lining up linearly, as you would expect. A lot of work to be done in this area soon. overall development schedule for the entire Knott Creek Road project. So remaining issues with Section 1, we still have some resolution of design comments to deal with, with the railroad and TDOT, particularly the railroad. Environmental permitting is nearing completion, but we're still working through that. The projected schedule for Section 1, again, we'll finalize construction plans and bid documents estimated December 2026 this year. We'll bid the project in the spring. and construction start will be fall 2027. Again, the duration is anticipated to be two to three years. Probably need to correct that. I know people have questioned the plus part on the two plus, so two to three years, though, is what we anticipate. Finally, the projected schedule for section two. Right now, this is very preliminary, so Hopefully tonight with the contract award, we proceed with selection of the consultant. And then the next milestone essentially would be the notice to proceed to construction within three years. And that's stipulated in the agreement. Any questions?

Mr. Miles, under Section 2, the one we're voting on tonight, that's just engineering. That doesn't include any research. purchase a property or anything like that?

That'll be part of it. You know, within that timeframe, but three years, we've got to put that whole package together. So if any right away acquisition is needed and we anticipate some, of course, it'll be within that timeframe. So it's, I wouldn't say a tight schedule. It's a reasonable schedule. Yes, ma'am.

Jason, can you clarify if the vice mayor is asking the money that's associated with this does not include right away? Correct.

Yes, ma'am. Yes, that's correct. It does not include right away acquisition.

The other question is, so there are a number of households that just, you know, face Boone's Creek, Knob Creek Road out here. Has the community been notified that even the beginning work is going to take place? I see your head shaking over there. Yeah.

Not yet at this time. TDOT just approached us with this contract very recently. Right now, the idea is to get, you know, obviously the agreement in place and then move forward with notification of homeowners and that sort of thing. So, we'll be proceeding with that immediately.

Jason, that section of that road, is that a city road or that's a county road? That's a county road. Okay. So, that's the reason there hasn't been much said by the city yet because until we vote on this, we would have no basis for speaking to it. Exactly. Yes, sir. Just to review, though, there's two different projects going on, one of which the long-awaited Tamil project. And that's the one to be bid and commenced in 27, according to the schedule. And then let's call it three years to completion. Right. And then you're also starting another three-year clock on the second phase of to commence that project that when it commences, that might be at year three, is another three-year project.

Potentially, yeah. We'll know more as we get into the design and develop the schedule with TDOT, that sort of thing, but I would anticipate that taking probably about as long as the phase that's coming up to start next year.

So, you know, before we're driving from State of Franklin to Boone's Creek Road on a finished project, we're five to six years, six and a half years away from that reality. Potentially. Yes, sir.

But this engineering phase will start immediately. Is that correct?

That's correct. We'll move quickly to selecting the consultant.

Well, just to clarify what we're voting on, it looks like the state's willing to pitch in. Is it $2 million if the county does $250 and we do $250? That's correct.

From the state or the federal government is the $2 million?

Through TDOT.

TDOT.

Yeah, through TDOT, correct. The FHWA is involved, but I'm not sure exactly how that tie is made. Right.

So it's a great opportunity to have the state kind of chip in on this design and engineering phase, and that can tell us a lot about, you know, the best. It wasn't to have a direct appropriation.

I felt like it was a direct appropriation from the Harshberger. Yes. It's a federal appropriation. You're correct.

Congresswoman Harshberger. Okay. That's right. Yes. Thank you.

Thank you.

Correct. These are just graphics here of what we've received so far from TDOT. These are sort of depicting the environmental study area for this project. So what you see here is Boone's Creek Road, and then you work your way back toward Mitzpah Hills subdivision with the rest of these. You know, if anybody wants copies of this, certainly we'll provide them, but this is just to kind of indicate the aerial view, the scope of work, especially for the environmental study that's underway.

Any other questions for staff?

Motion to approve. Second. Ms. Louse?

Commissioner Fowler? Yes. Commissioner Goetz? Yes. Commissioner Wise? Yes. Vice Mayor Brock? Yes. Mayor Fox? Yes.

The next item for consideration is ordinance number 4950-26. This is the second reading of an ordinance to establish a local jurisdiction property tax relief program to benefit the elderly, low-income taxpayer, totally and permanently disabled taxpayer, disabled veteran taxpayer, and widowers of disabled veterans taxpayers.

Good evening, Mayor, Vice Mayor, Commissioners, City staff. I'm Stephanie Lausch, your Finance Director. There have been no changes to this ordinance, and staff still recommends approval.

I would move for approval.

Second.

Ms. Ball, will you call the roll?

I would love to call the roll. Commissioner Fowler?

Yes.

Commissioner Goetz? Yes. Commissioner Wise? Yes. Vice Mayor Brock?

Yes.

Mayor Cox? Yes. The next item for consideration is item 7.2. This is ordinance 4951-26. This is the second reading of an ordinance adopting the tax rate for the 2026 tax year.

Good evening again. There have been no changes to this ordinance either and staff still recommends approval.

Would you go ahead and review the tax rates for the three different counties?

So these are the proposed tax rates for the three different counties. Carter at 15342, Sullivan at 15342, and Washington at 16662.

Maybe just a little explanation on why they're different.

So the reason that they're different is because of reappraisal years. Washington County has the oldest appraisal. They were two years ago. Carter was this year and Sullivan was last year. So the more recent your appraisal, the more the more towards market value your property values are at, so your rate stays lower. We have to do an equalized rate to account for the difference in the appraisals. And that rate is set by the state? The certified rate there is set by the state, and they set the appraisal ratios and the equalization rate.

Thank you.

You're welcome. Just to clarify, those are lower as the whole property values increase. The rate has to decrease to ensure there's not excess revenue coming.

Yes.

Can I hear a motion?

I'll move for approval.

Second.

Commissioner Fowler?

Yes.

Commissioner Goetz? No. Commissioner Wise?

Yes.

Vice Mayor Brock?

Yes.

Mayor Cox?

Yes.

The next item for consideration is item 8.1. This is an ordinance and third reading for ordinance number 4946-26. It's an ordinance for the rezoning of .33 acres from R4 to B1 to allow for the additional business signage of an existing childcare center.

Good evening, Mayor, Vice Mayor, Commissioners. I'm Amanda Rose with the Planning Division. This application remains the same and staff continues to recommend approval. The applicant is here and he and I are both welcome to answer any questions. Thank you.

In light of no change, I'd make a motion to approve. Second.

Ms. Laos, will you call the roll?

Commissioner Fowler.

Yes.

Commissioner Goetz. Yes. Commissioner Wise. Yes. Vice Mayor Brock. Yes. Mayor Cox.

Yes.

The next item is ordinance number 4947-26. This is the third and final reading of an ordinance to amend Article 6 and Article 11 regarding the parking standards for B3 and WWD districts.

Good evening, mayor and commissioners. Whitney Hodges, planning manager. Try not to cry. No changes have occurred in this application, but there were some additions to the staff report because the mayor at the public hearing asked for some additional information, which was the special exception for parking. And so that information was included. If you have any questions about it, really with this text amendment, that will not apply.

Parking regulations make me want to cry too.

They really are. We just, I mean, need less parking in those areas.

Any questions for staff?

No, thank you. I'd make a motion to approve.

Second.

Slouse, you call the roll.

Commissioner Fowler?

Yes.

Commissioner Goetz? Yes. Commissioner Wise? Yes. Vice Mayor Brock? Yes. Mayor Cox?

Yes.

Ms. Hodge, I just want to wish you well. You are moving on to another job, and I just want to tell you how much we appreciate all the work you've done here. You almost single-handedly drove Horizon 2045 two years ago, is that what it was? And we thank you for that body of work and what you've done in the planning department. I want to wish you well and thank you again. And don't forget us. I can't. I still live here.

I'm still a voter. I'm still all those things.

And our people are our biggest asset. And you've been a huge asset to us. And we are going to miss you terribly. But we're thankful for everything you've done. Thank you.

I really do appreciate the things that I've been able to do here. And when I left ministry, I came back to planning, and you made me love planning again. And I appreciate that.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you, Whitney.

The next item is the public comment under other. We have first Michael Marvel to speak about data centers.

Mr. Marvel, if you don't care to come up and state your name. And just like before, you'll have three minutes to share your thoughts.

My name is Michael Marvel. I live at 1 Bandera Court, Johnson City, Tennessee. I'd like to address the council, mayor, vice mayor. Thank you for the opportunity to speak. My topic is data centers. Data centers are a great revenue source for a city, a county, a state, in order to make additional funds. But I respectfully request that we set the parameters within the guidelines that we first started with. You made an amendment back in July that you would have this in Industrial 2, and then you said, oh, but we'll allow them to come and afford this, what was it, the... the special board of BDC or BDZ or whatever it is and petition to get a different spot. I totally think that that should be completely eliminated. Otherwise, it's going to be something that everyone runs on. Data centers take up area. They'll do one. They won't make it come off of that data center. They'll add another data center. As most of you know, in Virginia, there are over 590 data centers. Texas has over 600. California has 411. And there are 60 here in Tennessee. Most of them are in Memphis that Elon Musk put together for his AI center. Data centers in the future will be in space, which is great, but it's not now. They're going to be here. So they omit 60 decibels of sound or greater, and they run 24-7. And if you put them in an industrial area where that exists, is okay. They're not disturbing people. And I think the dump is the perfect area for it. Now, they're not going to like that because they're a data center. They don't want to drive to the dump. But you could also build an incinerator plant that burns garbage, charges electricity, and sells it to the data center. And as they expand, they would have to buy property in that area, making that area a much better area in the future. If you allow them to sprawl, like in Boston, where they bought into high-rises, you can live the high-rise right next door to a data center, not even though it's there. That happened 25 years ago, and people weren't able to rent their high-rises, so they turned it into data centers. I don't want that to happen to Johnson City. I don't want a data center downtown. So I respectfully ask for you to revisit that amendment.

Thank you very much.

this next person i'd like to leave you with this too i don't read anything into the record but that is just a overview of what can happen and if you go to memphis you'll see what hasn't thank you the next person signed up to speak under other is mary mcpeak and she signed up to speak under wildlife issues

Ms. McPeak, if you don't care to state your name. Yes. Again, you'll have three minutes.

Yes. I'm Mary McPeak. I live at 1701 Galen Drive in Johnson City. I'm here about a problem that is actually the concern of the Tennessee Wildlife Resources Agency. I've talked to them twice in the last two weeks. Very respectful, very nice young man. No response at all. I'm going to give you a real brief history, as brief as I can, about what's going on. I know that the City Commission cannot address this problem. It is within the realm of the Wildlife Commission. But I'm asking that someone on this board or someone with this agency here assist me. I've talked to Mayor Grandy in Washington County. And he has gotten in touch with someone in Nashville. I won't say because I haven't talked to the person. But in a nutshell, there is a bear in our neighborhood, but it's not unusual. We're at the foot of Buffalo Mountain, okay? And I love wildlife and I love animals, but I'm a veterinarian. uh this fair has been there for approximately five months uh doc mcdonald's wife the trainer science he'll call me in march i think she had a group text telling us all be careful yada yada it was on southwest extension just above the university okay and so we've all dealt with it and lived with it uh but it is currently as i'm speaking to you tonight raiding trash cans on a regular basis. Now, the young man I spoke with, his response to me was educational, and it was what he's trained to do, which is limit the food source, okay? This is a community bear. I would guess my husband's a lot better than this than me on distance, but I would guess probably at least three square miles. Okay, and so there's an elderly population living behind Southwestern Baptist Church. He continually raised theirs over there. He is out and about. The reason that I called the Wildlife Association the second time, my next-door neighbor, Reverend Jim Cameron, who planted the church, Southwestern Baptist Church, in 1969. The bear sat in his yard in broad daylight for 45 minutes, okay? He's not afraid of people. We cannot control the food source. The day before the bear did that, I was out there. Phyllis had some issues since the medical situation a few years ago. So I was weeding the landscaped area of our yard. I live in the city, always have, was not looking for bears. I was looking for the roots of the weeds so I could get them. And I was doing that the day before the bear sat in Mr. Cameron's yard. Right around the corner, I could not have seen where he was sitting because of where the weeds were. So he called me, which I didn't see the number on, and I hope I don't go over. I didn't see the number on my phone until we were at the gym. We try to walk every day. So I called him. He said, Mary, I just want to make sure you weren't out in your yard because he had seen me. You know, I'm in the yard a lot, okay?

Our time was winding there. Sorry, it wasn't on the screen.

Okay, I'm asking, if I could just ask what I'm asking y'all. If someone to get back with me, my number is with Mr. Reeves, about whether or not you guys or someone you designate is going to try to help me with Tennessee wildlife, because that bears a danger and a threat. and there's going to be something catastrophic. He needs to be relocated.

Ms. McPeak, Jenny Brock, and I don't live far from you. I know you. I think maybe last year or so we sent the bear down there because they were in my neighborhood too.

Well, there's a lot of them.

We live in their habitat, you know, on Buffalo Mountain. Let me talk with animal control. Wildlife will, you know, come out to our shelter and have a conversation about things. So I think we can get in touch with them and see if there's anything of relocating the bear.

That'd be great. They will have to trap it because he's used to a food source and he's not afraid of people.

We have plenty of deer in the neighborhood.

And a fun little bit of bear trivia. They have to be relocated more than 20 miles away.

Or they can find their way back. A different wildlife official told me, I think it was over 100 miles or they'll come back. And he said he had non-bears come back from further than 100 miles. So I'm hoping this will stay going.

Well, I'll follow up. We'll see if we can get with the wildlife. We talk with them often about different things. I appreciate your time. So I'll get your number from...

Yes. If he doesn't have it, just email me, and I think he's got my number.

Okay. Thank you.

But thank you all.

Appreciate it. Thank you. All right. With that, I'm going to wrap up.

No. No, I think he withdrew.

Yeah. With that, nothing else? I will close the.