City Council - Regular Meeting
About this meeting
- Government Body
- City Council
- Meeting Type
- City Council
- Location
- Irvine, CA
- Meeting Date
- April 14, 2026
Transcript
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The meeting please come to order. This is the regular meeting of the irvine city council on 04/14/2026. The time in the council chamber is 04:07 p. M. And at this time I would like to have the clerk please call the roll.
Councilmember Carroll is absent. Councilmember Goh. Here. Councilmember Lu. Here. Councilmember Martinez Franco. Here. Councilmember Trecedor?
Here.
Vice Mayor May? Here. Mayor Egren?
Here. Would the clerk please take a moment to advise those who might be wishing to participate remotely as well as those here in the council chamber, precisely how they can participate.
Thank you, mayor. Members of our audience who wish to speak may submit their name into one of the speaker kiosks next to the city clerk or in the main lobby. We also offer the ability to provide live comments via Zoom and submit written comments through our e comment system. For those who wish to participate virtually, visit zoom.us using any web browser or the Zoom app on smartphones or tablets and enter meeting ID 844. The passcode is 272906.
You may also dial in by calling (669) 254-5252 or (669) 216-1590 and entering the same meeting ID and passcode. Those who wish to provide comments via Zoom are asked to enter the speaker queue by raising their hand electronically. The city clerk will call your name and allow you to unmute your microphone at the appropriate time. Those dialing by telephone will be identified by the last three digits of their telephone number. We ask that you please state your name for the record.
The time limits per speaker are noted in the posted agenda and are established based on the number of requests submitted. All requests submitted after the first speaker is called shall receive ninety seconds. Those who wish to provide written comments may do so by clicking comment on the City Council meeting agenda webpage at cityofrvine.org/ictv. All comments will be provided to the City Council as part of the meeting record and will be uploaded to the city's website. For technical assistance with Zoom before or during the meeting, please call (949) 724-6078. For any other questions or assistance, please contact the city clerk's office at (949) 724-6205 or via email at clerkcityofrvine dot org. Thank you mayor.
Thank you. We will be recessing momentarily to convene in closed session. Closed session is item one on our agenda this afternoon and evening. With that ill turn to the city clerk to identify items one point one and one point two on our closed session agenda and then please if our legal counsel would read and tell us exactly what we're going to be speaking to, we'd appreciate it.
Certainly, mayor. We have two items on for closed session consideration this afternoon. The first is a conference with legal counsel concerning existing litigation. This is under government code section 54,956.9 D1. That's in regards to the national prescription opiate litigation. It's United States District Court case number 117, CV 2,804. The second item is a conference with real property negotiators under government code section fifty four thousand nine hundred fifty and sixty eight. The property there is 510 Technology Drive. The agency negotiators are Sean Crumby, the city manager Pete Carmichael, the assistant city manager and me, the city attorney. The negotiating parties are the city of Irvine and Jeff Shaw, who is the vice president of leasing at the Irvine Company.
And under negotiation are the price and terms of payment. And that's all.
Thank you, Mr. Melchin. I think we've dispensed with your introduction of these items, Mr. Carl. With that, at this point, I'd like to have us recess with the understanding we'll be reconvening at 05:00.
All right? Absent objection, we're into closed session. Thank you. The meeting please come to order. The council having been in closed session is now reconvened the time is 05:02 I''ll turn to our city attorney to ask if there was any reportable action from our closed session.
Thank you mayor there was no reportable action this afternoon.
There being no reportable action we move on with the agenda this evening. At this time I wish to invite those who are able in a moment to rise for the pledge of allegiance and then to remain standing for what probably will be about five minutes because we will have a moment of silence that I will introduce once we are all ready for that. Please rise for the pledge which will be led tonight by council member William Goh.
Ready begin. Pledge allegiance to the flag of The United States Of America
At this time, I'd like to introduce a moment of silence and that this council meeting be adjourned in recognition of three wonderful individuals who have unfortunately passed away. Two of these are former employees and one is a former council member. Their legacies have left a profound impact on our community with their combined public service of fifty five years. So it's with heavy hearts that we remember one of these, Winifred Todd, fondly known here at City Hall as Winnie, an Irvine residence since 1981 Winnie devoted twenty five years to serving the community she loved. Winnie was a proud UCLA alumna who began her city career in 1995 as a community services leader before joining the city clerk's office, where she became the welcoming face of city hall as a senior office specialist working at the city hall main reception desk.
Winnie took great pride in her work, deeply loved her family, and cherished her relationships with coworkers and the community alike. Winnie is survived by her husband Neil and her daughter Kelly. Her legacy of dedication, professionalism, and genuine care will continue to inspire all who knew her. And of course, she will be dearly missed. Tonight, we also remember Robin Shuang.
Twenty six years ago robin began her journey with the city of irvine she started her career as a senior accountant clerk in the administrative services department working her way up to become a vital member of the budget team as a management analyst. What made robin exceptional was the way she treated people putting others before herself offering help without hesitation. Her kindness was not occasional. It was constant. Robin is survived by her husband, Mostafa, and her sister, Meow.
Her legacy is one of dedication, kindness, and resilience. Robin showed us the power of compassion in the workplace and reminded us that success is measured not only by achievements, but by how we lift others up along the way. She'll be greatly missed. And finally, would also like us to remember former council member Barbara Weiner, who passed away earlier this month. I had the privilege of serving on the city council with Barbara from 1982 to 1986.
Her vision and active participation on the city council helped ensure the benefits of long term land use and master planning that we see here in Irvine today. She was instrumental in defining the framework and gathering community support for the Irvine Station our train station which opened in 1990 and plays a vital role in connecting residents to work and in shopping entertainment and open space. She also was instrumental in leading the way to what is today the remarkable shady canyon residential development in the hills above Turtle Rock. Her service to the broader community included her tenure with the Irvine child care committee helping to identify child care needs and the availability of quality affordable child care within our Irvine community. Our thoughts are with Barbara's loved ones including her husband, son, and daughter.
We offer our deepest sympathies to all who knew Winnie, Robin, and Barbara. So please join me now in a moment of silence in remembrance of Winnie Todd, Robin Chuang, and Barbara Weiner. Thank you. And please remain standing, if you would, for tonight's invocation. By the way, Mr.
Peterson, if you would make sure that it's noted in the minutes that we've adjourned our meeting tonight in honor of the three whom we are remembering.
Alright?
Tonight's invocation will be in the form of a musical presentation. At this time, it's my pleasure to introduce Irvine singers, Irvine High School's advanced mixed singing ensemble that specializes in performance of challenging literature of diverse genres. Please come forward. Most members are graduating seniors and have been in Irvine choirs for at least three consecutive years under Irvine High School choral music director Tina Peterson. Tonight, the Irvine singers, conducted by student teacher Bryce Rivera, are here to perform our national anthem, for which we will remain standing, followed by Unclouded Day.
Thank you so much for joining us this evening. And now, the center is yours. To the audience, before we hear the next song, please be seated to enjoy the next song. Thank you for that beautiful rendition. Please, don't don't leave.
Don't leave. Stay where you were. We're going to take a photograph. We want to be part of all this. All right? I'm going to ask my counsel colleagues to stand up. And we want to thank you so much and preserve this moment making us all famous. All right? Ready? Go ahead.
Thank you so much. And we wish you all the best. We wish you all the best and a very, very bright future for each and every one of you. That was wonderful. We' going to have presentations at this time item two item two on our agenda is presentations.
At this time I would like to turn to our city clerk to announce what presentation item 2.1 is please.
Thank you mayor item 2.1 is the united states men's national soccer team.
I' also like the city clerk and folks at home to know that this is a time when zoom speakers can raise their hand those who are participating remotely can raise their hand electronically to enter the speaker queue for this item or for anything else as well. I would like to take a moment to invite our city staff, in this case Steven Stewart, community services superintendent, to reintroduce himself if you would, and then our special guests this evening.
Thank you mayor and council. Again, my name is Steven Stewart, community services superintendent for community and library services. Tonight I have an exciting update on the United States men's national soccer team. So, you know, the Great Park has been selected as a team based camp for the FIFA World Cup, and we are honored to host the United States men's national team. This opportunity places Irvine at the center of a global event.
To put the scale into perspective, this World Cup will span three countries, include 48 national teams, and feature 104 matches. It will draw millions of visitors and a global audience in the billions. This is not just a sporting event, it's one of the largest global events of any kind. And through the great park, Irvine will play a direct role in supporting our country's national team as they live, train, and prepare for the tournament. I also like to highlight how this partnership extends beyond operations and creates a meaningful opportunity for our community.
In addition to hosting the team, are two key community focused opportunities. First, the city will host a community training session on Monday, June 8. This free event will be the only opportunity for the public to come and watch the team train, and we expect strong interest from the community. We will be eagerly sharing more details as they're made available. Second, through U.
S. Soccer Forward's initiative, we will host a community activation event on April 26. This event will bring together local coaches, educators, and youth for a workshop and clinic focused on using soccer as a tool for positive impact and connection within the community. Together these efforts ensure that this partnership creates a lasting and meaningful experience for Irvine residents. This is truly a unique opportunity for Irvine not only to support our nation's team, but to be part of something that we recognized around the world.
Also want to take a moment to recognize the city staff who manage maintain and protect the great park. What makes this even more impressive is that they are preparing for an event of this magnitude while the park remains fully open and incredibly active. On any given day our fields facilities and venues are filled with community programs youth leagues concerts and community events. Yet at the same time our staff are preparing coordinating and planning to host one of the most premier sporting events in the world. Balance that level of daily public use with the demands of an international event is no small task.
It speaks to their professionalism, their community experience, and their commitment to this community. At this time, I'd like to introduce Sam Zapica, and we'll watch a brief video before he speaks.
Reality says the odds are stacked against us to think our men can ever raise the world's biggest trophy, be the first soccer team to beat them at football. But here's the thing about us. Refusing to accept reality is kind of our thing. Reality told us to stay grounded. We built planes. We walked on the moon. Reality told us not to dream, but we stand united chasing legacy. Being unrealistic, that's not a flaw. It's a force. It's a fuel. When the world says you won't, our fans say,
I believe that we will win.
I believe that we will win.
We haven't lifted every men's trophy yet, but we have carried this fight for decades. We have enough grit to make the doubters eat their words. And when we spill blood in the name of the crest, it's not blind belief. It's how we put The US way. No, we're not realistic at all, and we're proud of it. Because if you wanna be great and make history, chase dreams, chase greatness, chase legacy. Never chase reality.
Hello everyone. Nice to
see everyone. My name is Sam Zapatka. I'm the team manager for the U. S. Men's national team. Thank you Stephen for the introduction. Mayor Egreton, thank you for the opportunity to speak today. Council members, thank you for the opportunity. As many of you know, the World Cup is coming it'll be here in a couple months and we as the men's national team host country for this for this amazing event had the opportunity to go throughout the entire United States to see where we as the U. S.
Team should base camp and we came to Irvine and came to the city of Irvine the first thing that Steven said when we walked through the doors at Great Park was welcome home and we knew immediately that this is where we want to be for the month of June in preparation for our three massive group stage games and then obviously beyond to represent not only the city of Irvine the state of California but obviously The United States was amazing watching the national anthem here got me super excited hopefully it did everyone else but we're here to represent you were here to represent our great country in the in The United States we're doing more hopefully than just training here at Great Park for for the month of month of June we're here to hopefully have a legacy that goes beyond just the World Cup some people might not know but in 1994 we were also in the Orange County Irvine area when we were here for training so it's good to be back it's been a long time and most importantly the legacy goes beyond just the the training here and that will be for all the youth all the kids in this community to really fall in love with the beauty of football it's an amazing sport it's growing here in The United States we're really really excited to do two initiatives with the city in April 26 with our U.
S soccer forward program and then obviously the amazing June 8 community event where hope to pack the stadium with a ton of kids cheering and chanting USA as we go on to hopefully lift the World Cup in New York City on July 19 just as a quick token of thank you and gratitude for the city We've made a jersey for you guys. The first one of its kind. This is our brand new jerseys for a great park with the year '26. So thank you again. If I can present this to you, I would love to.
I don't think we can all get in that one jersey.
Okay. But
I'll tell you what we're going to do. We're going to come down. How about for a photograph?
That'd be great.
And you can be holding it up right in and the we'll be holding you up. All right?
Sounds great. Thank you.
SPEAKER Thank you so much. Obviously, we wish you the very, very best. As a procedural matter, I need to, at this time, turn to our city clerk to ask, are there any requests for public comment on this item?
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. We do have two requests to speak via Zoom.
Please go right ahead.
Thank you. Our first speaker is Jeremy Ficarola. Jeremy, you may unmute your mic.
Yeah, hi there. Jeremy Ficarola. Just really quick, I think this is so amazing that we have US men's national team practicing here in the Great Park. I think the thing that I take away from that is we have a world renowned national team on the world's biggest event. They went all around the country, and they chose one spot,
and that's the city
of Irvine. So, you know, as for me as a president of Irvine, I'm pretty, you know, flattered that they chose our beautiful city. So so definitely I'm I'm I'm excited about this. My only complaint, and of course I always have complaints, but I wish there was more than one public event. It's going be frustrating knowing the Mets national team. And I'm personally a soccer fan. I had a season passes for OCSE games. I've been to that stadium many times. Beautiful stadium. I wish there was no public events or some way other than that one event that's planned to get local, Irvine, Fort Worth, Orange County, or wherever,
to get
people exposure to the team. So I just hope that there's that. I don't know the details, but maybe more than one event with the public interacting with the team would be great. But again, this is pretty amazing. Thank you.
And Mary, other caller dropped, so that's all the speakers. Well, you.
Thank you to Mr. Ficarola for his comments. And of course, we all wish the US men's team well. It's going to be a great event. Did you have anything further to add at this time?
No. That concludes our presentation.
All right. Well, thank you. This is a receive and file item. No action is necessary. Just oh, yes. Councilmember Betty Martinez Franco.
I just have a moment. Mean I just want to thank such a great job recruiting the US team for someone who grew up watching football my entire life in the world cup. The only one that I missed, it was, I believe, when I was in South Africa because it was at midnight, or it was in Russia, one of them. I'm so excited about this. So I can't wait. Thank you so much.
Thank you. Anything further? There being nothing further on this item, again, is a receive and file item allowing us to move on. And we're on schedule here to public comments for nonagendized items. This is an opportunity within a collective time of no more than thirty minutes at the front end of our meeting for residents and others to be heard on items not on our printed agenda for this evening.
As long as it' within the subject matter jurisdiction of our counsel people are welcome to come forward under non agendized public comments. With that I''ll turn to our city clerk and ask whether we have any requests from citizens to be heard under this item.
We do miss kamare we have 14 requests to speak, nine in person, and five on Zoom.
CHRISTOPHER M. All right. Why don't we close the queue now and give with fourteen, give the speakers up to two minutes to be heard.
Go right ahead. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. If I could call forward Susan Sayer, Steven Sponer, Eva Kaye, Rolf Parks, and Michaela McAulister. And we'll start with Ms. Sayer.
Welcome.
Yes, good afternoon. My name is Susan Sayer and I'm a longtime Irvine resident and I'm a longtime political activist with a strong interest in protecting our democracy, democratic system and the basic human rights of every one of our Irvine residents my interests include protecting the freedom of all qualified voters to register to vote have their votes supported and upheld by city council state and federal government and an active voting system that best represents the will of the Irvine voters. Request first that voters be protected from ice and other governmental interference during all election processes including mail in voting drop box voting and in person precinct voting I suggest that it form an organized volunteer force activated to guard and protect voting and the registrar of voters ballot verification and counting process to ensure all qualified ballots are validated and counted. Secondly, I request that the terms of voters and active initiatives be supported and upheld by the city council city attorney the city manager and city commissions especially the planning commission and that all initiative provision amendment proposals be returned to the voters for approval including the proposed amendment to the urban open space initiative which was mailed out to the urban residents.
The proposed zoning change may appear attractive to our city council city manager city attorney and to our commissioners.
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Yes it is.
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third suggestion is that our city council members were elected to support the will of the majority of all Irvine residents. Request that our city council of irvine our city council approved ranked choice voting.
Your time is up.
Thank you.
Steven Spooner. Welcome sir.
My name is Steven Spooner. This is a public request for FBI investigation into IPD corruption, delays, and obstruction. I mailed certified documents to the city council on February 4 that remain unanswered so I asked again in public why is the ipd protecting a business criminal for seven point five plus years? Deputy DA Marcos suggested FBI intervention so I asked the council to request the FBI also. The IPD wrote outright false reports then hid two additional reports without my import and knowledge while supposedly performing a five month IPD corruption investigation into Shane barrels.
Lieutenant Scherer and Kyle Turner obstructed and lied about IPD corruption involving that same business criminal. Both were part of the incorrectly named office of professional standards conversely if I lied about even a single thing it would warrant public humiliation this is far too important to be dishonest Officer Voigt who was in charge of a 2021 report failed to investigate or even half donkey finished the report until three to four years later. Orange County Attorney's Office has no record of it. How many people were convicted or framed by false reporting sworn testimony by the senior officials is now a job for the FBI. Cheat one of us you cheat us all.
Please do not vote for any city council member that accepts IPD corruption obstruction and public greed. The FBI can provide some light honesty and clarity on IPD's deceptive practices. The council should now be called the greed and corruption council only greed turns open space into a cash deal while rejecting a veteran Cemetery. This is begging to be a news story by local and national news. Thank you very much.
Thank you for your comments. Eva? Welcome.
Good evening council members. My name is Eva Cotei, and I am a student at the University of California Irvine. I'm here today to speak about a concern that is increasingly present among students at my school. The feeling of uncertainty surrounding safety and protection in our very city. Given that Irvine is home to one of the top 10 public universities in the nation, it is undoubtedly a place where students from a plethora of diverse backgrounds come together.
At UCI, international students make up roughly 15% of the undergraduate population and a significant majority of students identify as a part of a majority community, sorry, minority community. This diversity is one of our school's greatest strengths but it also means that campus and community safety concerns have a have a potential broader impact on a large portion of our student body. Through conversations with my peers I've come to understand that many students are feeling a real fear and uncertainty right now amidst the current administration. We have seen the threats of ice creep closer and closer into our city and community creating an unstable and unsettling environment for many students and residents of Irvine. All students deserve to feel safe on campus so I ask you all what steps is the City Council taking to ensure that all students and residents of Irvine feel protected regardless of their immigration status And we hope to see support systems established in place for students and residents who feel directly impacted by increased ice activity in the community.
Thank you.
Thank you for your comments.
Rolf Parks.
Welcome. I
only got two minutes so I'm going get right into it. Good evening mayor and councilman my name is role parks I'm here to address a serious breakdown of the administration of the citizens initiative process by the city clerk carl petersen. Under California election code there' a ministerial duty to provide proponents with accurate procedural instructions including correct adjudicated newspaper for publishing a notice of intent to file a citizen' petition This is not discretionary it is required step that enables residents to exercise their constitutional rights in the initiative process. When I filed my notice with the city clerk I was directed to publish my petition in an adjudicated newspaper of the county and I relied on this instruction in good faith that that's what I was supposed to do. Only later did I learn that the publication was invalid under election code 9205.
That error originating entirely from the city invalidated the notice nullified the signatures I gathered effectively blocked the initiative from moving forward. Those people are here that have signed that. This error was discovered by none other than the ergine company on March 9 when I was presented with a letter from their attorneys neilson and mercs hammer which has an interest in not seeing the petition being placed on the November 2026 ballot. The courts have held in several cases that procedural errors cannot be used to defeat an initiative power. When an official makes a mistake it prevents compliance a remedy is to restore proponent to the position that they have had had the error not occurred.
Asking the council to correct this error by one giving us another one hundred and eighty days to file a petition to have it placed on the November 2026 ballot but I don' believe there' enough time to do that which only leaves us with placing the ballot on the 2026 ballot itself. Mr. Mayor I have notified the ACLU on this you are a proponent of the ACLU and I think this is a worthy cause when the rights of the citizens have been taken away from them. The council has a duty to do something about it.
I thank you for your comments. Thank you.
Michaela McAllister. And if I could also call forward Max, Jason Garfield, Laura Cormack, and Mayor Stephens. Welcome.
Good evening counselors. My name is Mikayla McAulister and I'm a student at UCI and president of the punk club. I come here today on behalf of all students affected by ICE and those who, relate to the testimony I'm about to present. On 08/12/2025, the Irvine City Council voted four to three on an amicus brief supporting a lawsuit against ICE's excessive force and racial profile and warrantless arrests. While council member James Mai claims quote he cannot support any action that places our city in opposition to our own government or federal agencies end quote there is a critical point that needs to be addressed.
Dissent against unlawful actions especially those backed by our own government is essential to in protecting our community and upholding human rights. As we all know an ice office is soon to be built in Irvine just a few blocks away from here. If Irvine becomes home to these unchecked enforcement practices, we risk placing innocent civilians and students in unnecessary danger. At my school in UCI, approximately 15% of students are international making them particularly vulnerable to ICE's unconstitutional actions. And in case there's any confusion of unconstitutional actions students may face by ICE, this federal law enforcement has continuously violated due process rights, performed countless warrantless searches, and profiled based on race ethnicity and language.
I understand that the authority of the city council is limited when it comes to federal agencies. However, as demonstrated by recent policies there are still meaningful steps that can be taken to promote safety, security and sense of belonging within our city. If these issues are not adequately being addressed at a federal level then it becomes your responsibility to address them locally. On behalf of myself and fellow students at UCI, we hope to see you guys take further action to make us feel safe. Thank you.
Thank you. Max, thank you for your comments and welcome sir.
Good evening. I was here last meeting about two weeks ago, and I spoke during public comments. Only after I left, I realized that it was more discussion about affordable housing in the city. I live across the street from the Oak Creek. Across the street from us, there is a community called Orchard Park Apartments.
This community was built in the early nineteen eighties, and I believe that since then, it has been a low income community providing housing for families in need in our city. Some of you may be aware that residents in that community recently received a notice from the owner, the Irvine Company, that their rent may increase to the market rates. After serving as an affordable place for thirty or forty years, this community may no longer be affordable. And this council is considering a two year voucher program. This serves as an example of how over time affordable housing can become unaffordable for the people who depend on it.
Two years is not a real solution. This is misleading approach that does not belong and does not solve the problem. Thank you.
Thank you for your comment. Jason Garfield. Welcome.
Thank you. So I just wanted to point out something interesting. At the last meeting, mister city attorney, you shut down inappropriate comments on the grounds that they were, quote, not city business. So you can in fact do that, and you could in fact have done something when Jews were attacked in this room for months on end in 2023 and 2024. Instead, you stood by, presumably on the orders of our thankfully former mayor, Farrah Khan, and let it happen and sat there
in front
of us all and smirkingly defended her conduct during those meetings. The Jewish community of this city will never get an apology for your disgraceful conduct back then, but we deserve one. And if you think that two years is long enough to forgive and forget, remember that it's been three thousand years and we still celebrate Passover. We have long memories, mister Melching. Thank you.
Thank you for offering your comments. Next please.
Laura Cormack.
Welcome.
Laura Cormack. I would like to speak about the Great Park. I got married in 2005 and moved here where my husband lives since 2000. And in 2006 we were seeing plans for the Great Park and all the great things and all the architects and all the you know contests and all the money And then we finally got broke ground in 2007. And I thought, wow, it's gonna be great.
You know, I used to ride my bike around the Marine Brace before, but I was looking forward to a park that I could actually ride to and, you know, all sorts of things that I thought were gonna come to pass, which did not. We've waited nearly twenty years for a park for these people, everybody. Not we've we've built a park for semi pro and pro teams and get lots of publicity for our ice rinks and all the other amenities. And we are left with a few hours, a few times a week to go ice skating, which I won't because I think that of sucks that you have everything for profit, which I understand because you guys need to generate some revenue and build that whoosh. No whoosh.
I hope that was voted down, but there's no park for the people. There's no picnic tables, simple things, swing sets, barbecues, you know, things for families to enjoy, you know, no more soccer fields. Know, I'm tired, every park in this city is littered with soccer fields. I know it's very popular.
Thank you for
your comments.
We need a park. And I hope it's gonna be Oak Creek Park.
Thank you.
Mayor Stevens, welcome. Hi.
Mayors I'm Mayor Stevens. Mayor.
Mayor like a horse.
There we are. Welcome.
I'm here as one of many voices that feel like we're all in the wind who was here in 1988 and voted that any open space would absolutely be voted upon before any development could take place and now the city planning commission has just gone ahead and ok'd the rezoning making this wide open for another bait and switch and then more of these fancy little mailers are coming out like would you like a nature park or would you like a golf course? I'd Larry Agron sir I have admired you for so many years saving Quail Hill getting us recycled water making Irvine the beautiful and famous and safe world famous actually safe city that it is I urge you please stand up to this and then be so happy when you see yourself in the mirror when you're old and retired. Thank
you. Thank you for your comments. We're going to of course be taking up this item later and since your comments were so admiring of me I let you go on beyond when I should have.
Okay. Oh, I hope so too.
We'll be addressing all those items that you raised.
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to hire you. Thank you. Thank you. Our
next speaker is Rana. Rana, you may unmute your mic.
Hi. My name is Rana. I would like to speak on behalf of the Bauerman Landfill, not the WISE agreement that's on there, but just overall. I wanna urge you guys to think ahead and don't let this become, like, all American asshole. I'd also like to admire Larry and the amazing work he did getting that shut down and the tricks he had up his sleeve that just worked.
And I do know that and I I really believe that if, you know, Brea is shutting theirs down, we're getting everybody else's, and nobody else wants it in their backyard, neither do we. It's not just about the smell or the property values. It's not just about the people who live right there. It's all of Irvine and surrounding cities. I know that there's a deficit, you know, in the city's fiscal just fiscal issues, and I don't think that we should bridge or try to lessen that gap by putting the health of the residents at risk.
And I say health because I say that we shouldn't be shortsighted. We should look at the long term effects. There can be an earthquake. There could be a wildfire. And with all that methane and expansion they want to do, it can be you know, most of you know me. For those of you who don't, I was in the Porter Ranch disaster. I would have never thought that would happen. And you don't have a lot of people maybe coming and speaking because they might not know what could happen, but I do. And the gas company is gonna get more gas injected into those pipelines right now in Porter Ranch. There's leaks constantly going on.
The gas company is not accountable. They don't warn anybody. It's private funding through Fenceline that's telling the residents, and they can't do anything about it. So I think that if you guys can, thinking of a more long term plan, I know cost is an issue, but thinking of a way to ultimately shut it down and take
Thank you. Your time is up. Our next speaker is James Huang. James, you may unmute your mic.
Good evening, members of the council. Irvine Connect has had its automated stop announcements running for a few months now, and I'd like to bring up some issues that I've been experiencing, namely that these announcements are very inconsistent. Some buses don't have them. Some do have them. And sometimes they're playing for some of the journey and not for other parts of the journey.
And I've also noticed that some bus drivers turn off the announcements, so it's a very inconsistent experience. And even when it's working, only the audio announcements are playing. As per ADA requirements, you need to have both the audio. Next stop is blah blah blah and show it on the display, which the bus already has. OCTA does it.
Every bus agency on earth does it. This shouldn't be a hard ask. Hope you can get that sorted out soon, especially with the Irvine Connect bus expansion hopefully coming up soon since Council voted on it last year. It's the perfect time to make sure that all the systems are working properly. Thank you.
Our next speaker is Osias Garcia. Osias, you may unmute your mic. Osias, can you hear us? Our next speaker is telephone number 347. 347, you may unmute your mic.
Yes, this is Debo. I want to talk about Ann Hu, and her last name is spelled H W U. Ann Hu was nominated on 03/24/2026, to be on Irvine's Wall of Recognition by Councilmember Melinda Lu. Melinda Lu must know the backstory associated with this individual as she is a friend to disgraced former city council member, Tammy Kim. Melinda Liu states that Anne Hughes sits on various association boards in Irvine and the surrounding cities.
Also mentioned was her teaching for a specific class of people and that's it. However, nowhere does it mention her employment as a public relations officer for No nor does it mention her as a consultant and a realtor. No Do is the company that Tammy Kim lied about to rush through the EV charging deal where the city took a huge loss of approximately $2,000,000 a year in revenue. Ann Hu introduced Tammy Kim to this deal and together they lied about the company and their promises. Melinda Liu also neglected to mention that Ann Hu owns the Beechwood Motel in Oceanside where there was a class action settlement against her motel for civil rights violations.
Ann Hu is far from an upstanding citizen. I formally wrote to the city manager and requested Ms. Hu be investigated by city staff and brought back to the council for review and a vote. The wall of recognition is intended to honor individuals whose contributions to the city are clear, widely respected and reflective of Irvine's core values, particularly transparency, integrity and service to the public. Ms. Hughes' involvement in matters connected to the city does not meet that standard. I would hope that Melinda Lou would just remove Anne Hughes' name from the nomination list and save staff time and resources and maintain the integrity of what the wall represents. Thank you.
Our next speaker is Eric Nashanian. Mr. Nashanian, you may unmute your mic.
Thank you council members, Mayor Agron. I'd like to talk about the DEI committee. They canceled another meeting last month in March. This is now nine of the last 25 meetings that they've canceled. And the DEI Committee was formed to provide input on needs of the community and advise counsel on meeting goals set forth in Resolution No.
2,105. There have been four opportunities for the DEI to do anything meaningful. One was to recruit two at large members that helped design the RFP for a DEI consultant. They failed in that. They appointed Betty Franco to the committee as a DEI expert, which she was not, and had no qualifications for such, and actually fraudulently created such qualifications and voluntarily presented them to the city.
Then they failed in actually drafting the RFP for the DI consultant, or they drafted one and they scrapped it and there was never a DI consultant search. Then there are the IRP grants in which the city gave at least $500,000 of 7,500,000 federal funds to two non qualified organizations, one of them CORCDC, which Mayor Khan is an employee of now. Then there was the Office of Inclusive Excellence and Conducting Outreach, which never occurred, although this council ordered it. Isn't it time that we now scrap the DEI Committee? Now I would like to move on to Whale Vagina.
This city has still not put Will Ferrell on that wall of recognition. He was an Irvine resident. I think he was born in Irvine. He was definitely raised in Irvine, and he's an alumni of Irvine University, but he's not on that wall. Ezra Klein, born and raised in Irvine. Journalist, not on that wall. Let's see, who else? I think Zach De LaRelka from Race Against the Machine Music Hall of Fame, not on that wall. But you know who's on that wall at Unity? Jane Stover, who's not even from Irvine. I know she's at UCI, but let's face it.
Thank you. Your time is up. Mr. Mayor, that's all of the original list of speakers. There are three more in the queue. I'll defer to you.
Why don't we give each of those ninety seconds, see if we can wrap this up by six.
Okay?
Thank you, mayor. Our next speaker is Bijan. Bijan, you may unmute your mic. You have ninety seconds. Hello, Bijan. Are you there?
Yes. Good afternoon. I appreciate was this you mentioned
thirty seconds or sixty seconds?
You have ninety. Oh,
okay. Yeah. I appreciate it. Me and my family have been a resident of Irvine since 2005.
Raised a couple of kids here.
We love Irvine. And part of the reason we love it is it's a great environment, controlled communities. We don't like development. My comments are about the Oak Creek. We use the facility. We have parties there. We have golf outings there. American Society of Civil Engineers, we've had golf outings there. I just don' want to see a bunch of boxy looking buildings built there for residents. That' just has to
stop. We
need Irvine protected as Irvine.
Please. I don't want the caller to feel he was just abruptly dismissed but that item of course is on our agenda tonight. This is the time for comments on non agendized items. And I would invite the gentleman to please get in the queue for item 4.1 when he can be heard at greater length. Right.
Thank you, mayor. There's just one more speaker. Telephone number 90. You may unmute your mic. You have ninety seconds.
Ninety, can you hear us? And that is all the speakers. Mayor.
Thank you very much. That concludes our public comment on non agendized items. We thank those who came forward and offered their views on various issues. At this time we will turn to the next item on our agenda which is the city manager's report. Mr. Crumby do you have a report this evening.
Just one quick item tonight. Our police chief, Michael Kent, is going to provide a brief update on immigration.
Thank you.
Thank you, City Manager Crumby. Good evening, Mayor and City Council members. Nothing to report in regards to ICE or border patrol activity in our city since we last met at the last city council meeting. Thank you.
Thank you for keeping us current on those developments. We'll move on then to announcements committee reports council reports this is an opportunity for my colleagues and for me to make very brief announcements to report on their activities and to keep the public informed as to what may be going on in their district or elsewhere where their activities are taking place. So with that, I have several requests. Councilmember Liu, you have requested first to be heard.
Thank you. Good evening, everyone. I'm sharing some updates and upcoming events. Next slide, please. The March OC Mosquito and Vector Control District report shows zero positive disease samples in Irvine this year.
The district is ramping up its sterile insect technique program ahead of summer. At the last hotel improvement district meeting, the director presented exciting updates about the FIFA World Cup and the proposed California welcome center at the Great Park. Orange county sanitation launched a comprehensive cost of service rate study and hosted the largest oc sen citizens academy to date with four Irvine residents among the graduates. I recently joined councilmember rechristian a group of economic and water experts invited by mo dock to inspect the state water project in Delta Island we learned about efforts on water conveyance infrastructure and habitat restoration to keep our water sources sustainable. Thank you to all who joined our community forum on youth domestic violence prevention co hosted with radiant futures and asian american advancing justice in Southern California We hope everyone learned the lifesaving knowledge to help more people.
Next one, please. We're calling for more sign ups at our next Red Cross Blood Drive this Thursday, April 16, at Northwood Community Center, 10AM to 4PM your generosity will save a life please sign up. Do you want to learn more about solar and renewable energy join our office information meeting on April 22 at Portola Springs in partnership with oc go solar and ocpa visit our social media for details please. On April 22 is Armenian genocide commemoration We want to remind all Irvine residents of this historically significant event and that we should all respect one another for peace. Last and last one, please.
Lastly, applications for twenty twenty six Youth Peace Camp are open for grandchildren and great grandchildren of Korean War veterans. Apply by April 27. And last one. Thank you. And please contact our office or follow our social media for more information.
Thank you very much for that report you' very busy. Thank you. I' turn now to councilmember betty martinez franco.
Thank you. Good evening, everyone. I have a few updates to share from my office tonight. Next slide. I recently participated in hands on fire operations activities with OCFA and local three thousand six hundred thirty one just wearing their heavy uniform and equipment while performing under stressful events deepened my appreciation for the teamwork and courage of our firefighters demonstrate in every emergency situation.
I was also grateful to join Rancho San Joaquin residents in thanking the OCFA firefighters whose quick response helped stop a recent garage fire from spreading to neighboring homes. So thank you to o c f a for all you do to keep Irvine safe. Next slide. Last Thursday, I joined congressman Dave Meen and local leaders in a press conference to call for transparency after ICE confirmed its new office lease in Irvine. As an immigrant and as someone who has heard directly from residents who are scared and uncertain, this issue is deeply personal to me.
I remain committed to standing up for due process accountability and the well-being of all who call urban home. Next slide. My office will distribute free food next month to those in need in our communities by partnering with three of new Americans on Saturday, May 23 from three to five at my car community park. Next slide. Lastly, I invite you to stay connected by following me on social media. Next slide. You can also stay up to date by subscribing to our monthly newsletter where I'm sharing updates from District 5 and the city of Irvine. So please reach out if you have any questions or concerns thank you.
Thank you councilmember Martinez Franco councilmember go.
Thank you mayor hello everyone and thank you for joining us tonight I have updates on recent community events board updates for octa and scag as well as invitations to upcoming events next slide please. This past week, we toured the Call to Adventure Fire Museum and the Flying Weather Next Restoration Hangers at the Great Park. The Fire Museum recently had their grand opening in the city of Orange. Additionally, I attended the Exchange Club of Irvine to provide updates at the Great Park and upcoming events. Finally, I joined our community at the Irvine Police Department open house where residents were given a glimpse into our department's day to day operations.
Next slide, please. At OCTA, we authorized funding amendments for public outreach on the Route 55 improvements between the 405 and the 5, as well as allocated 27,800,000 in M2 funds for critical rail infrastructure. At SCAG, we adopted local data exchange and forecasted development pairing guiding principles, which will share regional transportation data across participating jurisdictions to support the Connect SoCal two thousand fifty. Next slide, please. I now invite you all to attend a few upcoming events here in Irvine.
The Great Park Library Planning Community Meeting will be on April 20, six to seven p. M. At the Great Park Studio. This is a great opportunity to provide input throughout the planning process. Additionally sickler vine is taking place on May 2 from 11AM to 4PM on Irvine Boulevard this open streets event will be temporarily closed the roads creating open streets for biking walking and other activities Finally, join my office for the Irvine Dream Run at the Great Park on Saturday, May 9. It's a great way to stay healthy and enjoy live music. Next slide, please. Feel free to scan the QR codes to sign up for updates on our newsletter and social media. This concludes our public comments thank you so much.
Thank you. I see no further requests so let me take a few minutes to offer announcements of citywide events. The irvine animal care center invites all runners walkers and animal lovers to support animals in need by participating in its virtual five ks through April 30. Complete the virtual five ks at your own pace at any location you choose every mile supports the health and well-being of animals in the center' care. To enter submit an entry fee of $35 at irvineanimals.org/5ks.
Complete your race before April 30 and receive an exclusive race medal and certificate. Enter your four legged friend to complete the five ks with you for an additional $8 and they will also receive their very own medal for completing the race. Proceeds go toward special programs at the irvine animal care center which provides sheltering care and enrichment for homeless neglected abused or unwanted animals. Next announcement earth day is April 22 and the entire month of April is recognized as earth month. We encourage residents and businesses to take meaningful actions to help preserve and protect our planet and pave the way for a greener future.
Celebrate earth day at quail hill community center this Saturday April 18 from 11AM to 2PM this event will offer guided hikes compost demonstrations and much more. We' also taking part in the national mayors challenge for water conservation which is taking place this month. This annual challenge presented by the wyland foundation and Vice residents to make a long term commitment to managing water resources more wisely. Visit mywaterpledge.com by April 30 to join the challenge and help conserve water on behalf of the city of irvine. In a city known for thoughtful planning and environmental stewardship we can lead by example and show how small everyday actions add up to real conservation.
For more information on these events visit cityofirvine.org slash earthday. Next, discover the next generation of artists with the return of the high school art exhibition on view through Friday May 15 right here at the Irvine City Hall. Featuring an inspiring collection of artwork by students attending high schools throughout Irvine this exhibition offers a compelling look at the voices and visions shaping the future of art. Awards will be presented for outstanding submissions during a free open reception on Thursday April 23 from 04:30 to 06:30 right here at City Hall. There will even be a mayor's choice award.
Additionally blick art materials will be generously donating art supplies to the classrooms of the winning high school students. Learn more about this exhibition at cityofirvine.org/artcityhall. Finally reporting potholes. Providing an exceptional quality of life is a point of pride for our city and of course safe well maintained roads are an important part of that commitment. Our city staff works diligently to repair potholes but with more than four seventy centerline miles of roadway our community plays an important role in helping us identify areas in need of attention.
If you see a pothole you can report it in one of three ways. First call our hotline at (949) 724-7600. I' going to repeat that (949) 724-7600. Reported a second way is to report it on our access irvine mobile app available at the apple and Google play app stores. Third you can submit your report quite simply at cityofirvine.org slash how can we help.
I' submitted my concern directly to the city manager regarding jamboree which is so heavily heavily used by commuters And, he reports to me all of Jamboree is going to be paved just a little later this spring. Is that correct?
Thank you for the question, Mayor. So, Jamboree is scheduled to be paved on a phased approach over the course of several years done by the worst sections first and yes those are imminently scheduled to be done.
Thank you. Again, we do enlist the public's help in this regard. We appreciate your partnership and helping us keep Irvine's streets safe and in excellent condition. That concludes the announcements for this evening. Allowing us to move on to the next item on the agenda which is additions and deletions. Mr. City manager are there additions or deletions to the agenda tonight?
None that I'm aware of.
All right.
Mayor.
Yes I was going to announce something why don' announce something first and then you can can offer your suggestions as well. Tonight is going to be a busy night for us we' on schedule actually we' a little ahead of schedule and I anticipate that we will be getting to item 4.1 after our consent calendar will be getting to item 4.1 a little ahead of seven and we have set aside in discussing this with the city manager and to some extent the city attorney as well we set aside about three hours to accommodate all the public comment as well as counsel comment and any possible action. There are other requested business items beginning with 5.1 through 5.5. 5.1 is a must address item which we will get to after we have concluded 4.1. Mindful of the concern expressed about the budget and which is put down as item 5.4 at the request of vice mayor and councilmember mye I' suggesting that that item be moved up to right after five point one and then as for the other items we will deal with them as best we can.
But by that time it will be quite late in the evening for those who might have come for those remaining items. With that I' turn to councilmember treseder.
thought I might in that regard so there we are. With the agenda now set we can move on to consent calendar items. Consent calendar items number three on our agenda. Consent calendar items are typically considered to be noncontroversial items handled in a single roll call vote. That they are routine doesn' t mean that they' unimportant and we of course offer an opportunity for citizens to be heard on those items.
Let me turn to our city clerk and ask how many requests we have to be heard on consent calendar items which tonight are items 3.1 through 3.6.
Thank you, mayor. There's one request to speak via Zoom.
All right. Why don't we take that right now? And then we can deal with the consent calendar. Right.
Thank you, mayor. If I could our speaker is Matt Pimentel. Matt, you may unmute your mic. And if you would, please note which item you're speaking to on the consent calendar. Thank you.
Hello, and I apologize. I was trying to raise my hand for a different item, so I will go back to you. I'll be back. Thank you.
And that is all Mr. Mayor.
Thank you. Let me just ask that one item be removed for separate consideration, which is item 3.5 and I' explain in a moment item 3.5 is response to the orange county grand jury report regarding connecting Orange County to Lax evaluating transportation options. Requesting that be removed and otherwise all make a motion to adopt the balance of the consent calendar. Is there a second? Second.
Seconded by Councilmember Goh. Would the clerk please call the roll?
Councilmember Go. Yes. Councilmember Liu. Yes. Councilmember Martinez Franco. Councilmember Trecedar.
Vice Mayor Monty. Yes. And Mayor Agram. Yes. Carries six to zero of the members present.
Excellent. Let me explain why I withdrew item 3.5. The grand jury was engaged in a very exhaustive study about connecting various cities in Orange County to Lax. We had such a service here in the city of Irvine and would like to see service reestablished and I would like our response to reflect that. What I'm going to suggest for tonight because I don't want to burden this meeting with a major discussion here we have I think a couple of we have I think four to six weeks or so to get back to the grand jury with our response.
I would like to schedule this for a future council meeting for a full discussion including the history of our fire away connection I think it was called at that time years ago and what we might do to reestablish that service going forward. I' moved at this item be continued to an appropriate time giving staff time to look into this a little bit as well, come back to us. I think there' a date in May by which this is due. Am I correct? That' correct.
I move to continue this item to a time chosen by the city manager with the benefit of a staff report that can be made at that time as well. Is there a second?
Second.
Seconded by councilmember Liu. Any discussion? There being none, motion to continue is properly in order. Would the clerk please call the roll.
Councilmember Goh. Yes. Councilmember Lu.
Councilmember Martinez Franco. Yes. Councilmember Trecedor.
Vice Mayor Monty. Yes. Mayor Akron. Yes. Carries six to zero of the members present.
Thank you. We're ahead of schedule. This is terrific. We move into public hearings. I' like to say a word or two here.
Again, we anticipate as much as three hours of public comment and discussion here, staff presentation, presentations by others. I'm going to suggest that also from time to time as we call people up 10 at a time that if there's clarity about questions that are raised we may from time to time turn to our city attorney or staff to answer those questions to turn this into a little bit more of a give and take perhaps than is customary but we want to have all voices heard and I think we' be as generous as we can with time and opportunity to be heard. With that I will ask the city clerk to please identify this item 4.1 by title and subject.
Thank you mayor item 4.1 is zoning text amendment establishing an alternative open space approach for Planning Area 12 in Oak Creek.
This is a public hearing which is slightly more formal than we handle other things. I''ll declare the public hearing now open. And with that turn to our staff initially and then we will begin to hear from others in short order please introduce yourselves.
Good evening city council my name is alissa matthews I'm the planning manager here and I'm joined tonight by director fradey and we will be presenting a zone text amendment application filed by the irvine company to establish an alternative open space framework for Planning Area 12. The existing zoning ordinance requires Planning Area 12 to provide 176 acres of open space split between two parcels and Planning Area 12. These are required to remain under single ownership and operate as a public golf course. This slide shows the area affected by the zone text amendment and you can see those two parcels here. These parcels currently are operating as the Oak Creek Golf Course.
Can we make sure the monitor in front of us reflects what' behind us thank you.
The intent of this zoning text amendment is to allow the city to consider a nature park alternative to the Oak Creek Golf Course to meet open space obligations for planning area 12 it also requires future discretionary review and approvals for projects moving forward within this area. The zone text amendment specifically requires the following it would establish a public nature park and trail system allow for land dedication and improvements equivalent to 162 acres it would require a future park plan to include a minimum 50 acre public nature park required park improvements Jeffrey Open Space Trail connectivity Irvine Center Drive landscape improvements grade separated crossings and the dedication of three twelve acres of open space in Orchard Hills and Portola Springs. It is also important to understand what the zone text amendment does and what it does not do it allows for consideration of a public nature park and trail system on a portion of the golf course subject to a park plan park plan approval and it establishes a framework to evaluate whether that nature park would be equivalent in value to the current golf course it does not authorize any development or modify the general plan or zoning designations on any property within planning Area 12 and it does not change the obligation that the golf course be retained under single ownership and operate as a golf course nor does it change any requirements under the 1988 open space ballot measure.
Notice that this Council meeting was provided in accordance with all city standards we' received numerous comments in favor of the project and in opposition to this project. Staff reviewed the project and determined that no additional environmental review is required. The planning commission heard this item on March 19 over 100 speakers provided comments on the project both in favor and opposed to the project after hearing those comments the planning commission deliberated and ultimately voted unanimously to recommend city council approval of the item. With that city staff is recommending city council approval of the item. Before I conclude I'd like to note that the applicant is available and will be providing a brief presentation I will turn it over to them and when they conclude both applicant and staff are available for questions.
It's important to me because I live across the street from the nature park in the ranch, and I want to be a part of this because I have a wonderful
Did you want to introduce yourself first?
Yes, please. Mr. Mayor, members of the council, Jeff Davis.
Let me explain. As the applicant, our customary approach is to allow the applicant 10. That I be
think that should be sufficient.
That would be enough for you to present. All right. Go right ahead.
Thank you. Mr. Mayor, members of the council, Jeff Davis, behalf of the Irvine Company, the applicant. I do appreciate the opportunity to be here this evening and present an option to expand public open space in Irvine. The action before the council is unanimously recommended by the planning commission would allow an option to replace 162 acre privately owned golf course accessible and usable to a limited few with up to three sixty acres of publicly dedicated open space including 50 acres to be dedicated and built as a future nature park.
As only an option I'd like to reiterate here what staff just said the zoning does not amend any land use designations for any properties in the area. Moreover I' very pleased to say that our application has emerged from a very positive collaboration and encouragement from an engaged Irvine resident community seeking more publicly accessible open space in the city. In fact this is the same community based process used in the early 2000s to create the existing jeffrey open space trail or Jost in that case the city and the company agreed as an alternative to the 1988 implementing open space agreement for Jost that fewer acres of land could be dedicated in exchange for the company making all improvements to make the trail the wonderful place it is today. This process was possible in that resolution 80 eight-one in and of itself did not define any specific boundaries or any acreages within the open space areas. Instead it called for the establishment of an open space program that would be quote the subject of an agreement between the city and the landowner prior to implementation.
As an example here the investment in the consensus building that took place then and the alternative agreement and the resulting improvements we believe were well worth the exchange. Fast forward to today, consistent with the approach used in the early 2000s, over the last year the Irvine Company has met with 3,000 residents from 23 villages to listen to their ideas on open space thousands more have shared their thoughts online or through printed communications. In the end it became clear to us that residents wanted a consideration for nature park connected to the city's trail networks and closer to the heart of Irvine. This vision was defined with the help of that same community in a truly remarkable process. While the resulting option differs from the current golf course is fundamentally rooted in the Jeffrey Trail process and therefore a consistent approach implementing the open space program.
I want to express my heartfelt thanks to the thousands of residents that we've had contact with in this planning process. Their input led to a community vision for the proposed nature park which our interpretive planner, Jenny Rigby, will now share with you. Jenny?
Good evening my name is Jennifer Rigby I'm an interpretive planner and designer with forty six years of experience in the field and studio. 10 as a frontline naturalist and educator at a nature center public aquarium and a zoo and thirty six years with the acorn group among other projects we planned designed and developed the interpretive media at nicks nature center Portola Springs Quail Hill Bomber Canyon Lagoona Coast Wilderness Park Bolsa Chica Wetlands and the Bolsa Chica Conservancy Interpretive Center my role with this current project is as co facilitator of the community engagement process. In this capacity I work closely with the Irvine Company and SWA Group. Together we focused on creating an open welcoming platform for the community meetings. We encourage feedback at each step and we integrated it into a successive series of drawings.
We began at the dreaming stage, an open ended exploration of what could constitute a nature park. We provided an overview of Irvine's open space and images of sample amenities. Community members shared their thoughts about them, nature trails, bridges, nature centers, botanical gardens, meadows, and woodlands. At the second round of community engagement meetings we shared this draft site plan that you see in a planning notebook all based on the community's input. We entered an analytical stage Community members worked in small breakout groups to review each amenity on the basis of form and function.
At last, at the third set of workshops, we allowed for a draft set of illustrations and ideas to coalesce. Community members responded to refined illustrations of the possible, refined illustrations of possible amenities they included botanical and pollinator gardens these gardens are cultivated spaces that focus on native plants that are specifically designed to support native pollinators such as butterflies and hummingbirds. A meandering creek was strongly desired by the community and it could follow the grade from east to west through the nature park past a potential nature center, cafe, and nature play area. But the top priority expressed by residents was an extensive network of new trails interconnected with the regional trail system. The scale of the land could accommodate up to five miles of new trails.
Safety and continuous travel were major priorities residents identified two potential bridge crossings one at the rail tracks and one at Irvine Center dry as key features to complete the Jeffrey Open Space Trail Within the interior of the nature park, residents requested natural multi track trails that safely accommodate both pedestrians and cyclists. During this planning work, I was struck by three things. The mix of community members from throughout Irvine who consistently showed up for each workshop, college students, millennials, young parents, grandparents and next door neighbors they all shared a common bond that bond is the desire to create a nature park that facilitates enjoyment in a natural environment consisting of native plants plant habitats, and wildlife including songbirds and butterflies. And third, that there is common agreement among all these community members about the desired amenities. Their motivation for visiting a nature park may differ but their vision of that setting is very similar.
SWA group was able to create renderings such as this to capture that vision.
It's important to me because I live across the street from the nature park in the ranch. And I want to be a part of this because I have a wonderful husband who is handicapped. And so we do the parks, but for us, this would be a park where we just go across the bridge on Jeffrey Road and then down into the nature park that would really help us out and give us a place to go on a beautiful afternoon.
They don't just want, you know, feedback about what they wanna hear, but are actually inviting criticism and seeing what works and seeing what doesn't. The planners involved are taking the community, into account and, listening to feedback and rolling it into their plans.
Definitely excited about having separate paths for cyclists and pedestrians. Having a dedicated trail makes it just easier to traverse if I'm just doing more recreational exercise. Having that ability to kinda go through that area and then having it connected to other trails like Quail Hill and then up towards Portola is awesome opportunity. Opportunity.
I'm looking forward to, like, having a great place to go to to decompress, to go on walks with friends, to be able to hang out, to just be by myself sometimes, be with my family, you know. I love it. I love that I can just go to a place in Irvine down the street from me and experience that and feel like I'm in a whole different place on vacation maybe.
Mr. Mayor that concludes our presentation I and my team are here to answer questions either now or at the conclusion of the public testimony.
Thank you thank you for your presentation. I think will probably have you on standby as we begin to get into this. Just wanted to turn to our city attorney at this moment to underscore what is in front of us what it does and what it doesn't do. The word consider was italicized. Would you put that slide up again?
I think it was your first slide. And with that, as you're looking for it, I'm going to turn to Mr. Melchin and have him, thank you, have him speak to these two bullet points. We obviously welcome testimony but we don't want there to be a misunderstanding about what we are or might be doing tonight and what we're not doing tonight.
Thank you mayor. With your permission I'll start with the second question first. The general plan designation for this property is P preservation. There is no general plan amendment in front of the City Council tonight. The general plan designation for the property will remain P, preservation, if the agenda item is approved.
The land use designation for the property is 1.4 preservation. There is a zoning code amendment in front of you tonight, but it doesn't change the 1.4 preservation designation for the land. That is to say, if the agenda item is approved tonight, the property will remain in the 1.4 preservation category. All of it. The 1.4 preservation category is defined in chapter three-37.5 of the zoning code.
Preservation allows no residential development. It generally allows no commercial development, but there is a carve out recognizing that there are some commercial uses on the golf course. So, if the item is approved tonight, because the property will remain in the 1.4 preservation category and because the 1.4 preservation category does not allow residential or industrial, this action item is not an approval of industrial development. That's what it's not. What it is, is the creation of an option that would allow the City Council to consider, as a matter of process, a different means of fulfilling open space obligations in this planning area.
That's all it is. The idea that it is the approval of development or that development has even been proposed is a question for another day. The question whether that development would require a general plan amendment, it would, and whether that general plan amendment would require a vote of the people or the council would require that that general plan amendment go before the people, that's also a question for another day and something that the council can take up if and when development is proposed.
Thank you. I hope that's helpful. And with that, unless my counsel colleagues have any questions of staff at this time or was to say anything, Seeing none without further ado then I would suggest that we go forward with public comment how many requests are there Mr. Peterson to be heard.
Thank you Mr. Mayor we have 114 speakers.
114 speakers let's leave the queue open a little while here. There may be a few more that wish to drop in. How many of those are in person and how many are remote?
Out of the 114 we have 107 on zoom excuse me 107 in person.
107 in person. Correct. So let' leave the queue open there probably will be some who wish to participate let' leave the queue open for at least the next ten or fifteen minutes and allow ninety seconds to those who are testifying in person let me say something to tree lovers including myself I somehow managed to bypass the arbor day recognition which we will take up between this item and 5.1 real quickly, but after this item, all right? So to anybody who was here for that, I apologize. And we'll get into that a little later on.
Shall we begin?
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. If I could call forward Doug Karstens, Rolf Parks, Derek Sherk, John L. Britton, Ray Perello, Lisa Wood, Bill Schultz, Christy Chen, and Christina Shea. Welcome to you all. We'll start with Mr. Carstens.
Hello good evening honorable mayor council members city attorney and city manager. I am Doug Karstens I' here on behalf of the orange tree homeowners association and save rvine open space and among this 114 speakers amazing we oppose this zone change and we ask that you vote no or submit it to the voters let them decide whether initiative resolution 80 eight-one means what it says or may be disregarded or eroded that is a question for tonight and it's not another day the bottom line is this zone change allows the process of converting 176 acres dedication requirement in the ordinance into a 50 acre potential park promise the city should keep the 176 acre dedication or put it to the voters if the change should be made As stated in our March 25 letter to you this zone change would be invalid because it is inconsistent with the open space element of the general plan and it violates initiative resolution eighty eight one. The city council must submit it to the voters of Irvine our letters of March 25 and July 17 show why that is citing palavand of mission indians initiative eighty eight one is effective to change the general plan it is the current law of the city we disagree with the city attorney on this regard the city must obtain voter approval it must comply with the California environmental quality act this is not exempt from environmental review under either of the acclaimed exemptions this leads to development.
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I' rell farx and this is my attorney that I brought to speak to all the people about what the real law is and not what the facade is. That the big picture here is the whole space okay it's you're starting with this 50 acre park but you don't get that park unless you give them a 150 acres of homes. Mr Davis am I right or wrong are you still here Yeah he left.
No he didn't.
That would have been a great question for somebody to ask you. You won't get that park without a 150 acres of homes which amounts to I don't know another what 10,000 people or whatever okay I'm not sure where you're trying to go with the park because you can't get it without 150 acres of homes. I'm a retired police officer here. Worked here for thirty years. I was a detective with chief cat over here during several of those years for six of these years I was one of the sergeant at arms and I sat here and I watched you know you guys make laws and stuff like that but I never saw you break a law and you know I never had a chance to break a law if I was a police officer because I just decided I wanted to I don't think you really have the right to break that law either 88 dash one as you heard Mr Carson say is the law of the land And somehow, we're going to have a facade and a make believe that somehow you can break the law.
And you can't. So I'm imploring for you to think about what you're going to tell these people
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Thank you. Welcome, sir. Derek?
My name is Derek and I live in Orangetree. This deceptive proposal is not really about building a 50 acre park. It's a backdoor attempt to remove open space requirements from the other 120 acres so that Irvine Company can build luxury McMansions and make a fortune.
The City Council should reject
this piecemeal approach. This matter should be tabled until we get some commitment from the Irvine Company about what they will build on the other 120 acres. We all received their mailer with the pretty watercolor paintings of the nature park. The McMansions are hidden in this map that's in this mailer. But it does show a new school and the slide shown tonight shows a new school too.
They know that the community would support a new school especially the desperate parents in Oak Creek area. This is because the Oak Creek Elementary School suffers from severe overcrowding after Irvine Company built the Los Olivos neighborhood with no school. Irvine Company promised a school in Los Olivos but that was just another one of their lies. Instead they built high rise housing and made out like bandits. So since half the city now believes that this school is include that there's a new school included in this proposal would Irvine Company like to tell us how many acres they will provide for this new school maybe Mr.
Davis can address that in but at this point we have no commitment for that they have offered nothing other than pretty pictures and some slick marketing in summary I urge the council to table this matter reject this piecemeal approach require Irvine company to make specific enforceable commitments regarding Thank the new school shown in the
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Thank you welcome sir john l britain
mayor council members where is mike carol whose district this affects your staff report says this whole thing doesn't violate 80 eight-one that is an outright lie because this whole thing is about building Oak Creek Village on this permanent open space. If you all pass this thing all of you are complicit in this lie this whole thing started last year with an MOU about Oak Creek Village Now it's just about a 50 acre park and nobody is discussing the Oak Creek Village. During the summer we were discussing a ballot initiative to let the city decide. That got tabled and never picked up because the Irvine company changed their tactic to no longer discuss the Oak Creek Village but just a 50 acre park. This is a Trojan horse.
If you allow this then you are effectively approving the entire Oak Creek Village. You don't have the authority to do this permanent open space open space into a housing development without putting it to a vote of the entire city. All of you know it including your unethical city attorney lawyer. Stop this nonsense and kill this end zone around rezoning attempt to build Oak Creek Village on land that is supposed to be free of development forever as you mayor Agron once wrote on numerous occasions in articles over the years. This is your greatest legacy mayor. Please remember that.
Thank you and welcome. Ray Perello.
Good evening mayor, council members. Irvine company faces several significant criticisms and failings not just customer complaints but legal and regulatory issues. The company has been accused of violating multiple civil codes and engaged in unfair business practices complaints have been filed regarding shoddy business tactics and a lack of accountability. Customer complaints construction and marketing challenges despite plans to build 9,000 new units across California the company faces challenges due to significant decline in construction statewide attributing to high interest rates and marketing oversupply. Is that what you want to align yourself with?
I know irvine has its own challenges I got that beautiful brochure in my mail too they have three zero two open space trails and walkways three zero two you have three courses in Irvine golf courses you take one away that' two. How fair is that it' a beautiful nature park leave it for the people to vote its third decision its third town not ervine company not the council members thank you.
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evening, mayor Agram and council members. My name is Lisa Wood, and I'm a twenty three three year resident of Orange Tree, represented by council member Carol, who is not here tonight. I am here tonight because I'm deeply disappointed by that the city council is not standing up for the voters of Irvine. In 1988 residents made their intent clear Oak Creek is permanent open space. The only reason we are here now is because the city failed to record the easement it was legally obligated to record.
That mistake does not erase the will of the people. I also want to address a repeated misrepresentation. The Irvine Company is proposing to develop roughly two thirds of the existing open space and then relabel the remaining one third as a nature park. That is not a gift that is a net loss of protected land and a massive reduction of the open space voters were promised would be permanent the irvine company received major development rights elsewhere in exchange for keeping this land open they have already been compensated now they're trying to use a technicality to undo a voter approved protection and the city council is allowing the process to move forward as if eighty eight one were optional it is not optional it is voter approved law I expect my elected officials to defend voter authority not defer to a private developer
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evening I'm Bill Schultz, a resident of the Orange Tree neighborhood. You know the person with all the right answers will always have a job. That job is working for the person who has all the right questions. My question tonight is why am I here? What motivates me to come into this hostile environment and let alone speak?
It's because Irvine has my heart it's truly a special city. When I learned of the opportunity to provide input into the development of a nature park that integrates and completes the jost to be built right across the street from Win Street I was curious and I went to observe. I was struck by the sincerity in which input was solicited from the dozens and dozens of residents. Was hooked attending every follow-up session clearly demonstrated to me that the planning team had the right questions and was listening to and incorporating the feedback provided. Over several months a spectacular nature park plan emerged and everyone attended even one of those sessions had a part in that spectacular plan.
I support the rezoning of this area and have one additional request. Require inclusion of a pedestrian walkway over Berronka at over provide connection to the San Diego Creek Trail.
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Truly complete. Thank you for your comments. Christie Chen. Welcome.
Good evening, mayor, vice mayor, and council members. My name is Christie Chen. I attend the planning workshops and meetings for the proposed nature park in Central Irvine. And after learning more about Irvine's trails, parks, and open spaces, I just wanted to share that I support this effort. This nature park is a great investment in our community.
It will create a safe, beautiful place where people of all ages, kids, adults, and older adults can spend time outdoors, stay active, and connect with nature. As a mother of four, all of my children attended Stone Creek Elementary School, Lakeside Middle School, and Woodbridge High School. With my youngest still at the Woodbridge, I have seen how important spaces like these really are. A nature park gives our youth a positive alternative to hang out. It's a place where they can explore, recharge, and spend their time in a healthier, more meaningful way.
Irvine has always done a great job with thoughtful planning, and this project is another example of that, focusing on wellness, long term well-being, and bring the community together. I respectfully urge your support for the natural park in the Central Irvine. Thank you.
Thank you. Thank you for your comments. Christina Shea, and
if I could also call forward Paul Vu, Ryan Bates, Michael I'm sorry, Mr. LeBlanc has a PowerPoint. Joanne Slabodian, Geraldine Larson, Mike Nystrom, Kimberly Go, Jamie Acklander, Tim Wynn, and Natalie Polin.
Welcome former mayor christina shea.
Thank you so much very nice to be here we've been doing this for a year now so you're getting used to be coming back. I want to say hi to all the council members and I'm very very disappointed at Mike Carroll he is our district representative for District 4 that I live in with this project is in and it's amazing how many times he doesn't show up to meetings when things are tough but you all show up and I have to congratulate you for that. I just want to say mayor Agron you are the architect and father of our open space that got approved in 1988 and reapproved in 1992. It is law. This planning process that's been going on this year is illegal we should not even be having this planning process until it goes back to the voters this needs to go back to the ballot.
Do I like that nature park I love it in fact I met with the Irvine Company and my proposal was to build a wildlife park which is pretty much is what what they' proposing but it cannot be done until the voters approve the development that they' planning they' not telling most of the people that to pay for this nature park they're gonna have to build up to 5,000 homes to cover that cost it's gonna devastate center open space and if we do this now can you imagine how many other areas in our city that are open space are now could be open to development because we're violating the law this can't go on it can't continue and I'm asking you to please do the right thing and put it on the ballot Thank you so much.
Paul Vu.
Hello. My name is Paul Vu, and I want to implore you to reject the rezoning request. That planning commission decision was based on wrong legal advice. Attorney Carsten, a land use legal expert, has already sent to you a letter explaining that this rezoning request is invalid and erroneous. Thus, your approval of the zone rezoning request would expose the city to unnecessary lawsuits and liability.
The save Irvine open space committee wants the Oak Creek property to be a nature park with all 176 acres as open space with no new homes built. The people advocating for the Irvine company's plan for a 58 nature 50 acre nature park are actually agreeing with us about the the need for open space, but they only want 30% set aside as a park, not the full 100% as required by eighty eight dash one. The issue of the Oak Creek open space should be put on the ballot as Larry Egren said last year. If you do not put this on the ballot in 2026, the citizens will start another initiative to force a special election in 2027, costing the city 2,000,000 more than if you hold the election this year. With the city already already running a deficit of over $6,000,000, it would be it would be physically physically
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you to not hold this election in 2026. Thank you.
Ryan Bates.
Good evening, mayor and city council members. My name is Ryan Bates, I represent a committee of residents called the irvine neighbors for nature dedicated the expansion of the Jeffrey Open Space Trail Connection and the development of the proposed nature park I and hundreds of individuals met with the planners of the park to provide our input on the plan many of us were not able to be here tonight but it would be a loss not consider the time care and passion they put into making this project representative of all walks of life demographics and length of residency and I'm sure you can appreciate given where we're at this evening and the events of this afternoon why some of them did not feel safe speaking tonight to address some of the things that have been said about supporters of this park we are not a collection of individuals who in any way financially benefit from this option moving forward I personally been accused of being a plant or a paid agent but mayor agron you've met my children at the pancake breakfast you I drive on Jeffrey every day from Oak Creek to my work and on Jeffrey and sorry Jamboree and Michelle I love golfing I don't hike I don't own a bike I've been called an indoor cat and I have every expectation that my commute will be worse in the coming years but the truth is this nature park will make this already special place even better even if I don't directly benefit from it my love for the city and my intention to live here for the rest of my life are the reasons I so fully endorse creating a truly open space in the heart of Irvine We have a chance to create something that will benefit all Irvine residents for generations, and I hope you allow this once in a lifetime opportunity to come to life.
Thank you.
Joanne Slabodian.
Hi everyone you are being offered a 50 acre nature park but to get it you give up a 126 acres of protected open space that's a land swap you lose leverage the Irvine company gains billions the city loses millions under 26 acres at Oak Creek are stripped of protections and traded for alternate land elsewhere including again avocado groves leaving them open to development the land is undervalued prices a golf course not development the land That costs you guys millions. You're facing a $6,000,000 shortfall. You don't fix a deficit by giving away protected land at a discount. You're getting about 96,000,000 proposed benefits, not even direct cash, plus alternate land that leaves the city worse off this is a deal after the deal this is piecemeal that's how you create chaos but not for by not following the general plan twice voter approved resolution 88 dash one was meant to protect this land this proposal does the exact opposite you should be focusing on getting the easement not rezoning there's only an offer of an easement tied to a 75% condition no one can verify without it the land isn't protected move forward and you give up your biggest bargaining power your job is to secure our protection not give away your leverage residents saw council members on the golf course with the Irvine company yesterday People are asking is this a done deal?
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Geraldine Larson.
Good evening mayor Egren and esteemed council members. Nice to see you tonight. Sorry. I'm realizing how old I'm getting because I'm kind of slow doing this now. So when we think about the legacy we leave behind in Irvine, we're not just thinking about buildings.
We're thinking about the spaces that bring people, families, and communities together. My name is Gigi Larson. I'm a small business owner, and I'm a past president of the Filipino American Chamber of Commerce of Orange County. So I'm here in strong support of the planned nature park. This project protects our environment, supports community health, and creates opportunities for education and connection.
It reflects the kind of forward thinking leadership that makes Irvine one of the best places to live and work. I respect respectfully urge you to support PH12, the Nature Park zone change, because this is not just a project. It's a legacy for future generations. I loved being an Irvine resident. I loved it when my son grew up here. I was walking my nieces to the schools. We were doing soccer games at the parks here. Irvine is beautiful. There is room for change, but from what I've seen at the nature park.
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you very much for your comments. Mike Nystrom. Welcome sir. Good evening
hello mayor agrin and city council members thank you for going through this again I' an original owner in Northward Point have been here for twenty five years and have been active in the community for all that time. I moved here for the parks for the schools for the sense of community and the open space. Jeffrey Open Space Trail is that open space this nature park proposal continues that and helps fulfill the vision that we' had for Irvine. I' had the opportunity to meet with dozens of business owners and community residents who all want open space which means they want this plan to go forward. We represent we don' have matching shirts were not very loud but we represent a cross section of all the villages all the communities and a cross section of demographics which will all benefit from the new nature park.
There' always opposition and I' been fortunate to go to some of the planning meetings and see the careful work and the acceptance of input and changes that the irvine company has made while putting this plan forward. That this careful consideration is the reason that we fully support the irvine company plan. Thank you.
Thank you for your comments. Kimberly Welcome.
Good evening. My name is Kimberly Goh. I am an entrepreneur and I'm a resident of Woodbury Village. Irvine has always been a city that thinks ahead and I believe this is one of those moments. I'd love to see the Oak Creek Golf Course reimagined as a nature park, a space that any resident can enjoy freely.
A nature park would give families a place to gather, children a place to explore, and neighbors a reason to slow down and connect. No fees, no gates, just open green space in the heart of our city. I understand this is a complex decision with many voices involved. I simply hope that as you weigh those voices you'll consider how many more residents could benefit from this space as a nature park. Irvine has always invested in its people I hope this will be another example of that.
Thank you for your comments. Jamie Acklander. Welcome, sir. Hello, my
name is Jaime Acklander. Thanks the council for listening to me. Yes, I do oppose this rezoning because, you know, I'm concerned, we are talking here about parks. Everybody wants parks and open spaces, but that's not why the urban company is proposing this. They not a philanthropical action.
They want to build 5,000 units, residential units in that space. That should be the issue, not the park. By the way, it seems that the people of Irvine do want parks. Fine, consider that with the park and recreation people, But, now, we don't have to give away 88.1, which is what was bought long time ago. Regarding boats, I'm very concerned about boats.
I disagree to some of my friends here because we are getting this as the Irvine proposal. I have to use CSI Irvine, that's my wife, to understand that this is come from the Irvine company, not from the city. So, if we vote, I'm concerned that this is going to be misleading us. This is not about park, it's about building, okay? And, the other thing, don't kick this five years from now for further discussion. They will come back to us even when none of us will be here. Thanks, counsel.
Thank you for your comments.
Is Tim Nguyen here? Tim Nguyen? Natalie? Okay, go ahead. And if I could also call forward Chenchala Singh, Tiffany Aguinaldo, Claire Na, Pumi, Emix, Sue, Nida, and Jeff Bautista, and Laura Sinanian. Welcome.
Hi, I'm Natalie Poulin and I've lived in Irvine for thirty years and I am an active user of our parks and recreational services. And I am here because I really love this park plan and I want you to know there is support for it. I believe that this park serves a different kind of need than our other existing parks. When my kid was little we went to the community parks and we got to know all the best playgrounds. When he was older we did all of those soccer fields and we've used many of the open space trails that are you know more intimidating physically to use.
But this particular park, it serves the need for those of us who want something closer by, more accessible, but still have that immersive feel in where you feel like you're immersed in nature. I believe that if this park is built it will become the crown jewel of Irvine's park system it will it will connect our Jeffrey Open Space Trail with our other trails and I really look forward to it and I really hope that we can make it happen. Thank you.
Thank you for your comments.
Shinchala, welcome.
It's been ten years I moved here, and I love this place. I lived here, and I support the park. I'm Irvine resident, and I support the park.
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Esteemed counsel
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my name is tiffany aguinaldo and I support irvine company and agenda item 4.1 the Planning 12 Nature Park I have been a resident of Irvine for more than ten years and I along with my husband have chosen Irvine as a place to grow our roots and raise our daughter. For several months I have spent several hours alongside my fellow community members and hosted focus groups with irvine company for the development and planning of this nature park. After reviewing the most recent plans I was pleased to see that the irvine company listened and integrated the feedback and input from the group discussions. When you make your decision and vote on this agenda item I hope you' think about the future you' creating for Irvine and the aspects of the city that our family along with other families enjoy. With approval of this agenda item you will help ensure this generation and the next will have years of new experiences enjoying nature and appreciating the city's outdoors.
Thank you.
Thank you for your comments. Is Claire Nong? Claire?
Pumi.
Welcome, sir.
Hi. Hi, council members and Mr. Mayor. This is my second town meeting, and this is really cool. I shook your hand once. I'm sure you don't remember, but I so I'm an Irvine resident. I lived here for seven years. And I just got married. My wife is in the back. Hi, Annie. Sorry. And I love this city. This is a beautiful city. And I think it's fantastic here. And as both of my meetings have been with this policy, it's also a very passionate city.
I love the people here. I love how much they care about this city. And I really want to spend the rest of my life here. I know we've been talking a lot about the nature park, and how that's like the main thing, the main draw. But as someone who has rented their whole life, I would like housing.
I would like to live here. And I don't make a lot of money. Just teach kids with autism. And it's it's it's hard to find a place here. And I support this, and I hope to see more things happen. Thank you Mr. Mayor.
Thank you for your comments. Okay. You. Amix. Welcome sir.
Hello. Good evening. My name is Amix Diehl. Thank you for the time. As a local business owner and a founding member of Phil Am, a local Irvine nonprofit, I've seen what truly helps the community grow and stay connected. I strongly support the nature park. This project will create a peaceful nature's space, bring people together, and enhance the quality of life for the residents. Investments like this make people want to live here in Irvine, stay here, and invest in the city, benefiting both residents and local businesses. I encourage you to move forward with this project. Thank you.
Thank you for your comments, sir. Sue Lipps Sue Lipps Naida
Mohabed.
Welcome.
Good evening, Mayor Agrin and honorable city council members. My name is Nita, and I'm here today to express my support for transforming the Oak Creek Golf Course into a nature park for our community. As an Irvine resident for nearly thirty years, Irvine is just where I live. It's my home. And my son grew up here schooling, completing his college in UCI.
And now as a grandmother to a three year old, I find myself thinking about the kind of environment she will grow up in and how spaces like this will shape her life. Some of my most meaningful moments have been spent walking the Jeffrey Open Space Trail with family and friends, enjoying the beauty and peace that our city so thoughtfully preserves. That is why this vision feels so important to me as nature park that includes botanical gardens, inclusive playgrounds designed for children of all learning abilities and safe hiking and walking trails would be an incredible gift to our community. The opportunity to safely connect trails from Hicks Canyons to Jeffrey Open Space Trail and into the proposed nature park without navigating busy roads would truly be a gift to our community. It would allow the families
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So many others to spend more time outdoors walking, exploring.
Thank you. Thank you for your comments.
Jeff Bautista.
Welcome, sir.
Mayor agrin city council members good evening my name is Jeff Bautista the president of the Filipino American chamber of commerce of orange county and I am one of the over 100 letters in support of this nature park project and giving you the option to make that a reality at the recent city planning commission meeting I shared a personal story where I was taking my young nieces ages seven and nine They recently immigrated from The Philippines and we were visiting beaches and parks in Orange County, and one of them looks up to me and says, Uncle, we get to play here for free? And I looked at her and I said, yes. And she said, wow. With that joyous wonderful child smile. You guys all know what that looks like.
Now, that little exchange reminded me how great our country is. That's something like that is not available to them in The Philippines, which is why for her it was such an amazing, amazing revelation. And so I ask you to remember how great a role it is that you play in making sure that that kind of smile that that kind of feeling and that who we are as a country and as a city remains that beacon for for everyone in the world thank you
Thank you for your comments.
Laura Sinanian, and if I could also call forward Neil Estrada, Bobby McDonald, Hema N, Majid Mohavid, Jerry Chang, Sally Ann Sheridan, Greg Smith, and Linda Smith. Welcome.
Good evening mayor and all the council members. I'm gonna say I was here when you mayor gave your state of the city. You mentioned how you wanna create safe how Irvine is safe. You mentioned community. You mentioned school. All the changes that you're making towards improving the city better to a better and better. This park, we created for that, for community, for family. I know you have grandchildren. You do wanna celebrate their birthdays. Right?
We have a community center over there for free to do it because right now everything expensive. How you gonna afford to have a birthday, quinceanera, wherever you wanna celebrate with your family when things are going more expensive? This is in the park gonna be that safe haven place where you can relax, where you can celebrate, create memories. This is not about just us. This is about us and the future. We cannot only talk about just us and this moment. This moment is just today. It's passing. You sleep. Tomorrow is a new day.
But we're thinking about just now and just ourselves. We're not thinking about the future. We're not
thinking Thank you. About Your time is up.
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Thank you for your comments. Neil Estrada. Neil. Bobby McDonald.
Bobby McDonald. Hema.
Welcome.
Thank you. Good evening, all. My name is Hema Nipolleri. I'm here representing ABAOC in support of the proposed nature park. Projects like this are incredibly valuable not just for recreation but for the long term well-being of our community.
Expanding open space and improving trail connectivity reflect Irvine's motto, love where you live, and help bring that vision to life. As a fifteen year Irvine resident and a person who runs a tech company and an active member of the business community, I've seen how access to high quality green space helps attract talent and investment. I appreciate the vision behind this project and encourage the city to move it forward. Thank you for your kind consideration.
Thank you for your comments. Majid?
Welcome. Good evening, honorable Mr. Mayor and city council members, city officials, public at large. I just want to repeat what I wrote to the city already just as a a save time. I want to express my strong support for moving this project forward and making the nature park a reality.
I've been a West Park resident for almost twenty four years, and one of the things I value most about living in Irvine is how seamlessly the neighborhoods are connected. Just last Saturday, I rode my bike from my home to X Canyon Trail, then to the Jeffrey Open Space Trail, and finally to Stonegate Park to watch my four year old grandson play softball. Experiences like that are exactly what makes Irvine special and priceless. With the pedestrian bridge over the I-five nearly complete, only one major safety improvement remains, achieving full uninterrupted connectivity of the trail system at Jeffrey And I-five. The proposed nature park would provide that missing link allowing residents and trail user to travel safely and completely off the roads.
This would be a tremendous benefit to the surrounding neighborhoods and to everybody who enjoys living everyone's living network. Thank you very much.
Thank you for your comments. Jerry Chang.
Is Jerry here? Ms. Sheridan?
Welcome to former mayor Sally Ann Sheridan. Welcome to Irvine. Thank you.
Mayor Egren and council members, I'm here tonight along with my former council law colleagues to speak about the elephant in the room. The elephant that I'm referring to is a new Irvine company with new leadership and no history. The issue before us is not about a change for a nature park. It is the first step in the promotion of a massive development of more than 4,000 housing units in an area designated for permanent open space. The new Irvine company has built a team of public relations people who have been given a task to implementing and convince people that the nature park is a worthy project, not mentioning to many of them the development.
They have a need. They have tried to block the gathering of signatures on a petition. They have threatened HOAs and any other person who would be in opposition to this project, including the Oak Creek Golf Course staff. If the area of Oak Creek is rezoned as proposed, it will be a dereliction of all
the open faces you've missed by the Congressman. Just take a few more moments. Our city clerk is obligated to interrupt at ninety seconds, But I want you to finish your comments. Go Thank you.
We are requesting that you do not vote the zone change tonight and keep open space as voted by the people of Irvine. Thank you. Thank you.
Greg Smith. Thank you we have a number of formers here I want to welcome former city council member former school board member Greg Smith. Thank you very
much good evening irvine council I am Greg Smith a former irvine city council member planning commissioner and school board trustee. Tonight's agenda item and much of the discussion I think missed the main issue. It's not the zone change or the nature park. These are kind of distractions. The overriding issue is simple.
Will a prior vote of the people regarding the entire Oak Creek open space be upheld or will it be ignored? With so much talk these days about democracy and transparency there is only one right and ethical action to take tonight. Table the zone change. Go back to the voters with a straightforward question. No multiple choice. No language about nature parks or land swaps. No complicated initiatives. Just an up or down vote on this vital question. Should the entirety of the Oak Creek open space put in place by the voters be preserved? Thank you very much.
Thank you for your time. Linda Smith. Welcome.
Good evening mayor Agron and city council. I'm Linda Smith, no relation. And I've been a resident of Wood Bridge since 1983. I would agree with mayor shea that mayor agrin you are the architect of the open space in Irvine and that' one of the reasons we continue to live here is the thoughtful development of residential retail recreation and open space how this issue has gotten this far is baffling to me this was mandated in eighty eight point one and Mr. Melching I'm going look at you you're not paying attention he said that development was not a question in this will somebody better tell the Irvine company that because I'm getting mailings that tell me I can joyfully embrace a 50 acre park it should be a 176 acre park and 3,000 units or except 5,000 units this is about development okay so that is the question we should table this nothing should change it's not an issue of how many units It's an issue of open space.
If it's going to be a park, it should be a 176 acres. It's not about a golf course.
Do the
right thing and send this back to the voters.
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Neil, and if I could also call forward Katherine Ossan, Dave Fosche, Judith Steinhauser, Sherry Kettler, Paula Miller, Jim Foley, Monte Taylor, Matt B, Farrah Kanchar, and Emma Zhao.
Evening mayor Agram. Evening city council. You for having me here. Well tonight is highly contested but I am here to say I've been a twenty two year resident of Irvine and some of the things we enjoy of Irvine are going to be the open space, the retail shops, the community, and the housing. But I will say this, I do have two children and I take them to a park every single weekend that I can.
And one of the things that I've noticed when Irvine Company invited me to be part of this you know planning to see what's to see what they're doing I was actually very surprised that they actually invited not only people who might be for the park but people who might be against the park they invited all demographics and Irvine the city of Irvine is a city we all love but one of the things about Irvine is has the number one park system in California the number two nationwide and I just think having this nature park will elevate the park experience even more for the city of Irvine for those of us who support it we're going to can we're going to go to the nature park for those who don't support this right now I'm willing to bet some of us will eventually be at the park anyway we have parents we have kids we have grandkids and the nature park I think would be a great use of this open space thank you very much
thank you Catherine Hosann thank you for your comments and welcome
good evening mayor and council members my name is Kathy Hosann I'm a forty plus year Irvine resident I voted for resolution 80 eight-one because it continued the priorities under which the city of Irvine was planned a balance between housing development and open space Under this agreement, some areas including planning Area 12 Oak Creek were designated permanent open space. Permanent in the dictionary means intended to remain unchanged indefinitely. That means forever. The Irvine Company received development rights in other parts of the city in exchange for this. This is a critical location in the center of our city, and it needs to remain open.
So why would we ever agree to accept a 50 acre park when we all voted for a 176 acres of open space? The Irvine company has already received compensation. No one is talking about the effect of three to 5,000 more cars on Jeffrey Road. Drive down Jeffrey on a Saturday. Try to get to this park. The city council cannot ethically and legally consider changes without the vote of city residents
Thank you. Time is already
voted for this open space. Please send
to the voters and reject this.
Thank you. Thank you for your comments. Dave Fauci. Welcome sir.
I haven't lived in Irvine all my life. I'm kind of a new guy here. I've only been here thirty years. But the biggest thing that I've seen, and obviously I'm a golfer and I want the golf course to stay, but my biggest concern is like when you drive down Jamboree and Alton and Barranca and you see these five story housing massive units, do we want that there? No.
I think that's what you're gonna get because that's that's how they're gonna build that number of units on that space. You know, I just I don't wanna go against all the regulations and the law stuff that's for you guys to handle. But I think that's the biggest change I've seen in Irvine since I got here. I thought this was a wonderful laid back little place when I came here. And over the last number of years, five years, three years, the last two or three years, all we see are these monstrosities being built.
There are times I go to the grocery store, and I can't even find a parking place anywhere near the grocery store. It happens everywhere you go. I'm against it, but you guys are gonna do what you're gonna do. Thank you.
Thank you for your comments. Judith Steinhauser, Welcome.
Thank you.
I've been a resident and own property here since 1982. I've raised my children. My grandchildren have come here and gone to Woodbridge High School. I've owned three businesses here. And I'm in the health care industry, and I take care of people that live here. I commute every day. And the traffic is just incredibly horrible. And I actually have patients who live in the mobile home park that's off of Irvine Boulevard. Right now, it takes them two to three lights to be able to get out of their community. Their community has one entrance and one exit.
If the Irvine Company is going to add all these new homes, it's going to be impossible for them to get out. And the park, there's plenty of land that we can also appropriate for that, not right there in that congested area. So Jeffrey is just a nightmare, Jeffrey and Sand Canyon. So I can't imagine adding more homes. And I really hope that you consider this and that you do not push this forward. Thank you.
Thank you for your comments. Sherri? Welcome.
I'm also a resident from in Irvine since 1982, so that's about forty four years. Both my husband and I were third generation Orange Countyans, so we certainly have seen orange groves, strawberry fields, bean fields disappear with the growth of Orange County. We understand that. Lately I've been watching the hills above Portola being replaced by housing. I've seen the wild deer, the coyotes, and they're going into new housing. Beautiful brochure the Irvine Company sent out. But my question is also, like we've heard about, 50 acres. I love the natural park. I think it's awesome. It'll be beautiful.
But it's only 50 acres. My question is the housing and the traffic. I live right off Irvine Center Drive. And right now, right by IVC, Irvine Valley College, the traffic is horrendous. People are using IVC to avoid the freeways. We're going to put development there. It'll be more traffic. So we're going to put more housing in, but you've to figure out what you're going to do with the traffic because it is horrible. Thank you.
Thank you for your comment. Paula Miller.
Welcome.
I'm Paula Miller. I am the president of the Ranch Homeowners Association. And I represent over 700 homes. I'm sure there is one or two, as we saw on the film the Urban Company showed, that would like the nature park to go over there. But most of us do not want anything changed.
I mean, we want the open space. Many of my neighbors do enjoy the golf course. I am not a golfer, but I have enjoyed going over there and having lunch, a very quiet, peaceful lunch with friends. But we do not want what is really on the Irvine Company's mind of adding 2,000 to 5,000 housing units over there. It is just too congested. You've heard us say the same thing over and over again. But what we'd like you to do is go back and honor resolution 88.1. We keep going back to that. That's what needs to happen. You need to honor that.
You need to honor it, complete the process, and have the land turned over to the city. The Irvine company has been compensated. We've heard that over and over before. I have not seen that on paper. I would like to see that on paper. What is the status? Something about them building out 75%? They have built out this entire city just about. So I'd like to see some data on that. But we would like for you to honor
Thank you,
your time
is up.
And send it to the ballot. That's what you must do.
Thank you for your comment. Jim Foley. Welcome sir.
Good evening. Hi. My name is Jim Foley. I've been a resident for twenty six years. I got a couple of points I want to make here. The pedestrian bridge over the 5 Freeway started construction about two years ago. So I think we all know that the Irvine Company has been planning to close Oak Creek for many, many years. The Irving company has done a fabulous job promoting this nature park, excuse me, with this beautiful brochure. But unfortunately, they don't mention the 3,000 homes and the apartments that they want to build there in these promotional pieces. Unfortunately, it's a little misleading to say the least and it's disappointing to me as a resident.
If the urban company is promising affordable housing in Oak Creek, please think again. The new marketplace apartments off Jamboree are enormous. Did you know that a six twenty five square foot apartment costs $3,200 a month? So much for affordable housing. There is no reason for changes to the 88 vote the city of Irvine's residents voted on to keep the land a green space in perpetuity.
At a prior city council meeting that I've attended and this is my fourth one the 1988 agreement was supposed to be that land was supposed to be turned over to the city why haven't we pursued that action Why are we laying on our hands? The nature park land revision should not be considered given the 88 vote. Please do the right thing by the people that voted for you. Thank you.
Thank you for your comments sir. Monty Taylor.
Welcome. Seems like everybody before me are professional speakers. I don't know what I'm going do as well. My name is Monty Taylor. My wife and I in our elder years moved here and chose the area that we live in to be close to hospitals and medical and have quick access under those regards.
I live on Jeffrey Road right across the street from Oak Creek where they intend to build thousands of homes. It's not about a little nature park. We all want nature parks, but we also want to be able to get to wherever we want to go without having to worry about dying. In The Meadows where we live, there are close to seven twenty senior citizens. And I live on the Entrance street where we watch ambulance, fire truck, and the police department come in and out, sometimes up to four times a day.
Ambulance and fire trucks need to enter our community and they need to be able to get there first. Being seniors, we are much more at risk than the average citizen of Irvine. With ambulance and fire coming into our community each day and many times during the day, it is imperative, actually mandatory, that emergency services
Your time is up.
Finish your thought. Go ahead.
It's imperative mandatory that emergency services can get to us in a timely manner. I've talked to ambulance drivers who said also that the traffic now is so bad that they're having difficulty even getting to our community. I'm going to say this. I'm not trying to be threatening, but I will sue these people up here and the city of Irvine if one single person in our community dies because an ambulance cannot get to them to save their or my life or my wife's life.
Thank you for your comments sir. Matt Breton. Welcome.
Thank you. Good evening mayor and city council members I'm matthew breadon president of the woodbridge village association board of directors our residents will be among the most immediately affected by whatever happens at this site I'll be straightforward. There are things in this proposal that appeal to our community and that concerns us deeply. The trail connectivity to the Great Jeffrey Open Space Trail and a 50 acre nature park would be a genuine amenity for Woodbridge families. We welcome more accessible open space and safer pedestrian and cycling routes but our residents need an answer to a fundamental question what happens to the remaining 120 acres once the 50 acre park is carved out The amendment opens the door but doesn't tell us what's walking through it.
If future development means high or even medium density housing, Woodbridge bears the direct consequences. More traffic on Jeffrey Road and Irvine Center Drive, pressure on our schools, and strain on infrastructure already serving a mature community. There is also a broader concern. Does the amendment circumvent the protections of 80 eight-one for all open space land across Irvine? In 2025, this council agreed to explore putting this to the voters.
What changed? To be clear, we're all for more nature parks in the heart of Irvine, not just on the edges. But if you cannot give residents of Irvine clear answers tonight on future development density, answers around traffic mitigation and why this council now believes this decision does not belong to the voters vote no thank you
thank you your time is up thank you for your comments era conscience welcome.
Thank you good evening mayor leery and vice mayor james mine council members thank you for your time and continued service to our community my name is farrah conchon and I serve as president of the arb american business chamber I have been a proud Irvine residence for over fifteen years my family and I chose to live in Irvine because it truly puts people first especially families and children and it is intentional about preserving and enhancing our quality of life that is why I'm here today in strong support of this park this is more than just an open space it' an investment in the health and well-being and connection of our residents today and for generations to come. Time spent in parks and green spaces have been shown to reduce stress anxiety and depression while giving our children a chance to be active and reconnect beyond the screens. Projects like this are what make Irvine exceptional. They reflect a forward thinking vision and strengthens community and enriches everyday life. Thank you for your time and thoughtful consideration.
Thank you for your comments.
Emma Zell, and if I could also call forward Linda Brookhiser, Sylvia Kimmier, Maria MC, Sandra Goldman, Karen Kaufman, Dale Brenner, Abdullah M, Clark Colby, Alba Toman, and Susie Winicker.
Hold on for just a moment if you would I think maybe if we pause to see where we are in the speakers.
Let's see Emma is speaker number 50 out of 110 in person.
So we're about halfway through.
Just shy of halfway.
Those who are here. Correct. And is the queue closed now? I can close it now. Please close the queue. How many are wishing to speak remotely? 10. Let's stay to 10. You know what you can leave it open for remote speakers go ahead.
I'm sorry, what?
Leave it open. Don't close the queue. I don't think we've added any remote speakers, have we? Just a couple. All right. We don't want to be cutting folks off if, in fact, they want to get in the queue late. With that, welcome. And you have your ninety seconds.
Thank you. Hi. Good afternoon, everyone. Good afternoon, council members. I'm Emma Zhao, a student athlete, specifically a golfer from University High School.
I'm not sure, but I might be the youngest speaker right here, but I just wanna express my opinions and perspective as a high school student. As a team captain, I'm here to represent our team, begging to say no on rezoning the Oak Creek Golf Course because for us students this isn't just a nice view it's our field of practice first the course has one of the only real grass practice ranges left in Irvine artificial turf is not the same Real grass lets us train the way college and pro athletes do. Without it, our skills, our safety, and our development take a serious hit. Second, this is the home course for UC Irvine. That's right.
Our u university team calls this place home. Between UCI, Northwood High School, Irvine High School, and other local schools, we already struggle to schedule practice times and home matches. There are only a few courses left. If you take this one away, there won't be enough, places for everyone to practice, let alone have their own home course. Rezoning doesn't just hurt one team. It hurts every student athletes who need space to compete, improve, and represent their school. Please don't trade our training grounds for another development. Keep this course. Keep our home. We're asking you to stand with us, not against it. Thank you.
Thank you. Linda Pfeizer. Thank
you for your comments. Welcome.
Thank you. I've lived here for forty eight years, raised five kids here. During my time here, when I first moved here, there were two grocery stores and one restaurant and Ace Hardware. Ace hardware if you want to spend your money you have to go out of town and give another city your money. Irvine company has taken so much away from us now they're trying to take Gelson's away.
So I'm not getting it you talk about a park I get nature walking around Woodbridge Lake and what about the great Park this seems to be you want to make a mini great park on jeffrey we don't have you know it's too much traffic and what and we have been promised for forty eight years we're going to sink the lights we're going to make it better coming out of Fontaine in the in the ranch I have to wait Well, if I want to make a left into the ranch on Fontaine, I actually have to wait until Jeffrey light changes, all the traffic comes to let one car turn left, when it could have just been a yield sign I can see that there's no cars coming let me go. So I'm just I don't get get you guys why why are you doing this to us we're happy with the with the golf course People are saying, oh, the nature center. The nature center is supposed to be at the great park. And you guys haven't managed to do that.
Thank you.
Your time is up.
Thank you.
Thank you for your comments. Sylvia Kimmier?
Welcome. Good evening. My name is Maria MacGregor, and I live in Irvine for more than twenty eight years. Some people are attacking the real problem that is the construction of the homes. We don't need that.
We got enough traffic and pollution. We need green areas. Please keep them. We vote before that we didn't want the homes and then we received this sneaky brochure with the park. I vote for the parks but I didn't read well about all the extension of land that they were taking.
So now the real issue was taken today here. It's not about the park, it's about the construction of the 5,000 homes. I beg you to put it in the ballot. You. Thank you for your comment.
Welcome. Thank
you. Good evening. I'm a new resident. My name is Karen Kaufman. And I moved down here mainly for the open space.
I lived in Los Angeles, which was congested with and filled with homeless people. And here, I don't see any homeless, and I enjoy the openness. And if you do this nature park it doesn't sound like a park it sounds like a city within the park there's no park but a city inside the park with the condos. I even heard that there is going to be a school put in. I would really like the voters to vote on this. Thank you.
Thank you for your comments. Sandra?
Welcome. I'm Sandra Goldman. I've been a resident, I think, for forty eight years on and off in Irvine. What I of everyone that keeps talking about this wonderful park, the brochure was gorgeous. The artwork was fabulous. But the reality is we have to get to that park. And we have Irvine Center Drive that's congested right now. It starts at 03:00 in the afternoon back to back. I live in the ranch, so my two cross streets are Jeffrey And Irving Center Drive. So I understand this trap mess, and we've got it now.
We don't need more homes. What we need is an area like that golf course to stay there. Thank you.
Thank you for your comments. Dear Evan, Welcome.
Hi. You know, we all know that the park is smoke and mirrors. You know, this is about 10,000 people moving in. So, I'm gonna ask you it let's focus on that, and ask this council to do their due diligence. I'm asking them to do one thing.
That is 05:00 in the afternoon, park yourself out at the corner of Jeffrey And Alton, And then imagine 10,000 more people hitting that intersection at 05:00 in the afternoon. Now, I thought about it and then see, think about the quality of life and what we're doing to the quality of life. Now, what I'm going to I'm not sure whether I'm worried or confident, because Mayor Egren has always been a champion for not that. In fact, he fought a bridge that I would have liked to have had over the 405 because of a trackific issue. So, I think you really need to think about that and whether the park trumps the quality of life deterioration caused by by the by placing people in this dense area.
If you wanna if you wanna build all this, fine. Build it out where it's not there's not such density. Anyway thank you guys
thank you for your comments. Thank you. Welcome My
name is Abdullah Moezi I have been living in Irvine for more than twenty years and I was attracted to living until there was an opportunity to buy property and living. I have a problem with what is being proposed having a park is a great idea but the problem is the impact of new housing. Ten, fifteen thousand people, they are going to occupy the park itself. There is going to be other people also trying to get to the park, so you're going to have thousands and thousands, especially on the weekends, and, you know, because Irvine is a beautiful country, everybody wants to be there. Look at Irvine's spectrum.
Attracts so many people who don't even live in this area. And, imagine this park with 10,000 new homes next to it or 5,000 people, I mean 5,000 new residents, 10,000 new residents, it's going to be overwhelmed. And, I live in Orange Tree area and there's only one entrance and one exit to that community and that's the intersection to the golf course and once what you guys propose is going to happen it's going to take us forever to get in and out of our community We don't have any other means and access to get to our community. Everybody has to go through Orange Tree and Golf Club to arrive. Thank you for your time. Thank
you for your comments. Is is Clark Colby here? Clark Colby? Alba Toman? Susie Winoker. Welcome.
Hi. I'm Susie Winoker. Good evening mayor, city council members. I love what the one gal said just a few speakers ago. Sneaky.
I oppose the rezoning of Oak Creek area it' a piecemeal approach I consider the Oak Creek Golf Course already a beautiful nature park we all know what is going on here I believe the city council should honor, respect, and support the voice of the people as evidenced by the resolution 88 dash one and not and not the vote for it and not to vote for any rezoning. I voted in 1988. I feel my vote and all others is being erased, discounted, ignored, discarded. The spin, the propaganda, the silly community meetings were all orchestrated by the Irvine Company to sell this dishonest land grab. Grab.
It's money money money. They've dangled the nature park care leaving out in all of their literature and pictures the 3,000 plus homes in the background. Not to mention the fact that they are dishonoring the residents' voice and vote previously in 1988. Where's Mike Carroll? Mike, you should be here shameful. This is important. The city council needs to be honorable, honor the previous vote of the people, don't bow and cave to the Irvine company. As mayor said many years ago and actually last year, we want to keep the Irvine Open Space Area immune from development and open space in perpetuity.
Thank you for your time.
If I could call forward Max, Diana Colby, Sharon Wallin, Joseph, Alex Wu, Mohammed Islam, Jeanie Luong, R. E. F. L, Barry Whitesides, and Sarah Paik. And we'll start with Max.
Welcome. Welcome
again. Hello. Many people who supported apartments before are now supporting this so called park nature park. Irvine is known for innovation and long term planning. We are talking about nature park under the power lines. And the city is about to invent that park under the power lines. Who will pay for the bridges on the proposed map? What is the future under the power lines? It is dangerous to be even close to the power lines. Just think about that.
Think about your kids and your grandkids, as one of the speakers mentioned before. Ask yourself, where in the world did you see nature park under the power lines? Many residents received a map of this proposed so called park. We promised 50 acres, but when I measured the map myself, it looked to me it was only it was actually 70 or 75 acres. That means we will get less land at the park.
Think carefully about this decision. Support all open space. We need more pickleball courts, more soccer fields, and maybe smaller golf course. You don't have a right to give up 176 acres of the open space. This is immoral. Please think carefully.
Thank you. Diana Colby,
Welcome. Thank you. Good evening council members.
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Husband and wife if that's okay.
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Good evening council members. We are Diana and Clark Colby as residents of Irvine At Woodbridge our experience with the city encouraged us to establish our businesses in Irvine. As entrepreneurs here we invested in owning our building at the Irvine Spectrum and growing our two companies spectrum e commerce solutions and brand marketing solutions. We' been honored to have several of our irvine city council members for tours and to meet our employees in our building. Both our businesses are growing and we are proud to contribute to the economic vitality of the city we care so deeply about Irvine.
We' seen firsthand that employees who can live here, raise their families, and enjoy the quality of the Irvine and enjoy the quality of life Irvine offers
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I'll start again. We've been we've seen firsthand that employees who can live here, raise their families, and enjoy the quality of life irvine offers our our most stable and fulfilled team members. That' why spaces like the proposed nature park matter they support not just individuals but the health of our entire community and workforce this is about the kind of irvine we are building for families for businesses and for the future We hope you will support this nature park vision. Thank you for your consideration.
Perfect. Thank you.
Thank you for your comments. Sharon?
Sharon Wallin, twenty five year resident of Irvine. I've got to confess that when I signed the kiosk out there, I didn't realize it meant I wanted to speak. I'm usually very much an introvert. So anyway, off the cuff here. I've gotten all those flyers and all those pretty brochures and, yeah, nothing talks about the housing, the development.
As others have said, Irvine Center Drive, Jeffrey, they're all crazy with traffic and it will definitely impact their, you know, quality of life. There's nothing in any of those brochures, as others have said, mentioning the 3,500 or 5,000 luxury home, increased traffic, other environmental issues. We know that that is the endgame. You put this little chink in eighty eight-one and then it'll snowball, and we're going to have a development there ten, fifteen years in the future. So I want to end with, as songwriter Joni Mitchell said, don't pay paradise to put up a parking lot.
Thank you and welcome sir.
Good evening mayor, vice mayor and honorable councilman. My name is Joseph. I serve at the board of directors for the Filipino American chamber of commerce of Orange County and also a small business owner within the community. It has been a true privilege to participate in the planning process for this nature park. What stood out most was the city's sincere and intentional approach to community engagement.
From the very beginning, there was a clear effort to invite input, listen actively, and ensure that diverse perspectives were not only heard but thoughtfully considered. This nature park is more than just a space. It represents the Irvine's commitment to wellness, sustainability, and bringing people together. It creates an environment where families can gather, individuals can recharge, and future generations can enjoy lasting community asset. On behalf of the Philippine American Chamber of Commerce of Orange County, I'm proud to express our full support for this initiative.
We value projects like this that strengthen the fabric of our community and enhance the quality of life for both residents and local business owners. Thank you for your leadership, your vision, and opportunity to be part of this meaningful journey. Good night.
Thank you for your comments.
Is is Alex W here? Alex? Mohammed? Jeanie?
Welcome.
Hello, my name is Arafeh,
and I have been living in Irvine for ten years. I used to live in Los Angeles, but I moved to Irvine because I remarried, and because of the Irvine is the safest city and peaceful. So, I totally disagree with reunion and you already heard a lot of strong and logical reason. I don't want to repeat those. So, the kindly their only kindly request is please make an effort to keep this city safest, beautiful, and peaceful as always.
I don't know what is the real reason behind this reunion, okay? But if it is money, just imagine and just remember again, after corona, health is much important physically, mentally, and spiritually. Thank you. And have a blessed rest of the day.
Thank you for your comments.
Barry Whitesides, and if I could also call forward Sarah Pake, Russ Peterson, Kimberly Garcia, Nita Merchant, Ryan Borda, Kate Kinzora, Laura Borda, Eileen McCarthy, Art Brown, Byron Luoma, and Sima Bastani. Welcome sir.
name is berry whitesides I've been a resident here since 1977. I voted for the 80 eight-one bill. I'm frustrated because this has nothing to do with an art center. This has everything to do with green space and how we allocate it. There's a basic deception going here that says this isn't about deciding about housing this isn't about deciding and changing rules but if you look at the summary that you were provided by that committee item number six under analysis dedication of 312 acres of open space land in Orchard Hills and Portella Springs it's part of what you're being asked to to do if I go to the city of Irvine and I look at what you have on the new Oak Creek Park Village you say 2,400 new homes but more recent stuff says we'll decide the number later.
This is absolutely about it we've even had people here talking about affordable housing as their reason for supporting it. It is part and parcel of what the irvine company is presenting it's a deception this is the same proposal we had a year ago only now we're trying to slip it through without a voter ballot. We're trying to slip it through by an
accounting Thank
you. Thank you sir. Is Sarah Pate? Sarah Pate?
Russ Peterson?
Welcome.
Hi mayor and council people.
My name is Russ Peterson. I just want to say I support the advancement of the nature park. I've been part of the envisioning meetings. Just I'll just be honest. I came in very skeptical because the Irvine company has done some things that I don't totally agree with at times.
I thought this was just going to be one of those times that they're going to check the box off. They've got community input. But the whole process was real they did really listen to the people it changed so drastically based on the input from the people that were providing input from the community. They asked what was important, streams, meadows, ponds, etcetera, amphitheater. Everything was considered they asked the community what's important what's not important what they would like to see in a perfect nature center nature park. It was really impressive how they listened and adapted to what everybody was saying. I do hope you move forward with the project. Thank you.
Thank you for your comments.
Is Kimberly Garcia here? Kimberly, need a merchant? Ryan Borda.
Welcome.
Good evening, mayor and city council members. My name is Ryan Borda. I grew up in Irvine, and I've been fortunate enough to find work and even purchase a home in the same community I grew up in, Northwood. The city means a great deal to me, and projects like this, like the proposed nature park, are exactly what make Irvine such a special place to call home. For that reason, I strongly support moving this project forward.
As someone deeply interested in expanding Irvine's trails and parks, I made sure to attend the three different nature park planning sessions offered by the Irvine Company. While I was convinced pretty early on, I still found it valuable to attend all the sessions to see how community feedback was incorporated and to throw in some of my own. It was impressive to see how the great minds like Sean O'Malley and Jenny Rigby could turn people's comments into a cohesive and artistic vision that I hope to be able to enjoy in the coming years. I encourage the council to move forward with the nature park. Thank you for your time and consideration.
Thank you for your comments. Is Kay Kinzora here? Kay? Laura Borda?
Welcome. Thank you. It's good to be here. My name is Laura Borda. My husband and I and our two children have been residents of Irvine since 2003.
That was my son. I'm very proud. Through the years, have made use of a multitude of public amenities offered through the magnificent master plan of Irvine. The master plan which features a perfect blend of housing, business, schools, and an extensive trail system and green space. The new opportunity presented by the Irvine Company to transform the current golf course into a trail extension and beautiful park is in alignment with the master plan and offers unlimited opportunities for recreation for the general public.
Our family has appreciated the community outreach conducted by the irvine company to inform and engage us regarding the opportunity to transform the golf course into a space that can be utilized by the public as a whole. The irvine company has offered every Irvine resident to provide input regarding this plan and have very thoughtfully incorporated the feedback into a thoughtful nature park and trail. I firmly support this plan to transform the private land to a public nature park the proposed nature park will be available to all people for recreational use for generations to come. The expert park planners utilized by Irvine company. The expert thank you.
The expert park planners utilized by the Irvine Company have decades of experience that will transform the golf course into a natural extension of the Jeffrey Open Space with meandering meadows and walking trails through trees and plants that are native to our region. I look forward to using them. Thank you.
Thank you for your comments. Eileen McCarthy. Welcome.
Thank you mayor city council members my name is eileen mccarthy I support protection of 176 acres of open space at oak creek golf club open to the public a rezone overturns what voters approved in 1988 and what irvine city council celebrated and recommitted to in 2007. I' not here to save a golf course it' about not reducing central open space already alive with wildlife and trees. Council members I have concerns with how you've handled Oak Creek open space last summer talk of ballot measure no action from you do not accept 50 acres nor an avocado orchard with maintenance costs. Council member Mike Carroll absent tonight I live in Oak Creek his district in his monthly email titled community update I've never seen mention of proposed 300 homes 3,100 homes, or loss of central open space, not even for his upcoming event celebrate open space. No community update from him on to residents on possible loss of open space in Oak Creek.
Mayor, you worked to pass 88 dash one your name is on the plaque an easement was filed for 176 acres an easement sorry an easement an offer of an easement was made for 176 acres per eighty eight one the city must accept the easement in exchange for development rights granted to the company the city was to be given the 176 acres the irvine company completed development now please accept the offer no rezone thank you.
Thank you for your comments. Welcome.
Thank you. Good evening. You know, I got a little thing here. I'll read it in a minute. But I ask you to think as you sit up there, how many city council members have spoken here that have retired in favor of this thing? How many ex mayors have stood here and said this is a great idea? I didn't hear any of them. So all the people that have sat there before that are now sitting over here don't think this is a great idea. So just think about that. What I'm gonna say here, I'll run out of time, but a lot of it's been repeated anyway.
It's basically regarding the misleading information that the Irvine Company put out. A year ago, the brochure talked about the houses and the park. They realized there was a lot of blowback, so they went back to the drawing board as has been discussed already, and now they just talk about the park. They don't talk about anything else. And our lawyer over here says, you know, who knows what they're gonna do there? Well, we all know what they're gonna do there. That's the crazy part. So, if you if you vote for this 50 acre deal, you know we're gonna get the houses. So, that's your call.
Thank you for your comments. Darren Bilalma.
Welcome. Good evening council members and mayor Aggram. I've lived in Irvine for over twenty years. I live in West Park. I was following the housing thing where the state mandated all these houses and Irvine was deficient in the low income and very low income and I remember you guys had a plan to get that all together. It was just perfect. And, that's I took my eye off the ball at that point. I did some traveling out of the country. And, when I came back, all of a sudden you're going to build a bunch of houses on our open space. What the heck happened?
Where did this idea come from? Is the benefit of it? If you're building houses why not go to the Great Park where you have more room? Why put more congestion on urbine Center and jeffrey I just imagine the kids going to urbine junior college there they' going to be slammed with traffic. Just don' get it and I wish somebody could explain to me why you're moving in this direction it makes no sense to me.
Anyway, I'm in favor of voting no on this thing you're voting on because I don't think you should take this direction. I think it's the wrong way to go. That's it.
Thank you for your comments.
Mr. Mayor Welcome. Council members, thank you so much for the opportunity. I don't do this. I was compelled to do this. I've never done this before. And my name is Sima Bastani. My husband and I have been here living in Woodbridge over twenty five years. We raised our daughter here. Our grandson was born here, and he's going to middle school this coming fall.
And we love Irvine. We changed the zone, rezoning. It's gonna open up. And then pretty soon, we won't have Irvine anymore. As Irvine residents, we all voted you guys in, and we were looking at you. Please do the right thing. And put this at least put it on the ballot, and let the residents that's they're being impacted. Let let them decide. Please. Thank you.
Thank you for your confidence. Mohammed, and if I could also call forward Ray Bostani, David Hackett, Michael Brown, Debbie Lewis, Tim Chang, Bobby Rush, Elliot Wooten, Vera Snyder, George Scott, and Pamela Lucas.
Welcome, sir. Thank you.
Honorable mayor and the city council members, my name is Mohammed Islam. I represent a business platform called diversity business forum and I support the project for looking at the economic and environmental and everything and for the sake of the small business I think it would be a good project I support the project thank you.
Thank you for your comments.
Re bastani? David hackett? Welcome sir.
Good evening. I'm dave hackett. I've been a Woodbridge resident for thirty four years. Three generations of my family of Play Doh Creek. My children and now my grandchildren.
This course is part of who we are as a community. I'm here on behalf of them and the thousands of golfers who play at Oak Creek. Irvine already gave up the El Toro Marine Course. Please don't take Oak Creek from us too. Please put this decision to the voters. Thank you.
Thank you for your comments.
Michael Brown. Michael Brown. Debbie Lewis. Tim Cheng. Welcome.
Thank you. Mayor Eckron and council member, good evening. My name is Kim Chen. I'm a thirty years Irvine resident. I fully support the proposed alternative approach of building a natural park and planning area number 12, including the Oak Creek Golf Course, and hope you will make the natural park a reality.
Through participating in several community input workshop and attending the March 19 planning commission meeting, I had a opportunity to learn details about the proposed alternative open space framework for the current Oak Creek golf club property. I support building a new natural park in central urban area because it replaced the private fairways with the public meadows and woodlands that everyone would enjoy. I also see this nature park plan as a vital return to the original master plan vision of balancing the development with a preserved open space. Finally, as a senior, I'm looking forward to having a peaceful escape to our trail works and connected to the natural world just minutes from my home. Thanks for considering my input.
Thank you.
Thank you for your comments.
Bobby Rush.
Welcome.
Yeah, I'm Bobby Rush again. Last time I talked to you, I talked to you about Walt Disney. It's just not what he wanted it to be. In 1981, I started working here at Irvine High School. I dreamed dreamed at that moment that I could somehow work hard enough save enough money and live in Irvine I' lived in Irvine now for over twenty years I love Irvine I love the safety that I feel as a single person a single senior citizen, and I have that because we have an incredible police department.
Nobody talks about how much safety we would lose by the Irvine company becoming greedy and building up more homes and creating traffic that many have already spoken about. If I break the law here, I know there's going to be a police officer putting handcuffs on me and taking me to jail. Well, we need that same principle applied to every single one of you who we voted for if you break the law by not keeping the law as well. We voted in '19 the nineteen eighty eight one ballot there that said this is what we wanted. We need you to uphold that law.
We voted for you. We need you to honor that. I would also like to see what you voted for for these items. Your vote isn't shown. And here's another thing. I left three messages at Larry Egren's office, Mayor Egren, to say, what is happening on Von Carmen?
Your time
is Not one phone call has ever been received by your office to talk about the destruction of all those buildings that went down because now another complex is gonna go up for housing. We need you to honor 88. Thank you.
Before you leave the before you leave the microphone.
I'm sorry?
Please leave your name.
I said it when I came up. It's Bobby, b o b I r u s h.
Okay. Just on behalf of my office, we do return calls, so I'm going to look into it right away. I I promise
promise you I've never told a lie in my life, and I never got a return phone call. You.
Take care of that. You.
Elliot Wooten.
Good evening. My name is Elliot Wooten. I've been a resident of Irvine since the early ninety' so obviously this is a city I care deeply about and I also believe that maximalist vision for the preservation of open and natural space in the city is something worth fighting for. So on that note I'm not in principle opposed to the creation of a nature park and I think the additional open space in Orchard Hills and Portola Springs would of course be a good thing. However my concern as I think is the concern with many others is that this rezoning amendment by only mandating 50 acres for the nature park would ultimately leave the remaining acreage open to the development of houses which as I think we all know is something that the Irvine company will at some point, fight tooth and nail to do.
And as I believe that the loss of any of that open space would be destructive not only to the quality of life, but to the character of Irvine and what makes Irvine great, I strenuously urge you council members to reject any measure that would create the possibility for that to happen. Thank you.
Thank you for your comments. Vera Snyder. Welcome.
Welcome. Thank you. Well, what can I say? I think I've heard it all tonight. Everybody's been very eloquent about what they've been saying.
And I'd like to put in my little $02 worth about how I feel about Irvine. I put my $200 down to secure my lot in Irvine in April 1969. And at the ripe old age of 23 and now I'm 80. But I've so I've seen a lot of things happen in Irvine. The people of Irvine were really a feisty group back before Irvine was even Irvine.
We were supposed to be part of Santa Ana, but we didn't want that. So we finally got around and had an election and incorporated Irvine in December '1 the twenty first, if I remember right. And there's a few problems with the Irvine Company. There's too many open ends on their decisions on what they want to offer. It's too much of a bluff. Now, I like the golf course. It's fine with me.
Thank you.
Your I time is play golf.
Let give you another ten or fifteen seconds. But if you could wrap it up, please, we'd appreciate it.
The area is really nice now. It's beautiful. It's got the beautiful trees. It's got the beautiful flowers on the fences. It's a wonderful little place. And the water inside, it's a beautiful park. And that's what I would like to see for that area. If it can't be a golf course, then why not? Let's have a park in the center of Irvine.
You. Where we need it. Thank you for your comments.
Is George Scott here? George Scott. Pamela Lucas. And if I could also call forward John L. Smith, Scott Laskovica, Mary Ann Smith, Jennifer King, Ruth Bruno, Marty D, Helen Paidar, Mike Ellison, Melinda Tomaleri, and Sam Tsing. Welcome.
Hello. I'm a Woodbridge Village resident since 1986. This land was designated as permanent open space in 1988, and reclassifying it for residential use is a violation of voter rights unless approved by a new citywide vote, not a council decision. It puzzles me, mayor, how you were the main man advocate for open space and how this snowball is suddenly starting to roll. I also think there's a concern that approving this whole project sets a dangerous precedent for future development on other protected non perimeter open spaces in Irvine.
Thank you.
Thank you for your comments.
John Smith, John L. Smith, Scott Lastovica, Mary Ann Smith, Jennifer King.
Good evening. My name is Jennifer King, and I have been a resident of Irvine in Northwood for twenty eight years now. I've raised my kids here, and I've also spent my time here running the beautiful trail system that we have. And I'm speaking now on behalf of all my running friends who couldn't be here tonight. What an opportunity we have now to have the chance to create a signature space like this nature park is so rare, something that all of us can enjoy.
I have to tell you, in the entire time that I've lived here, I have literally been to Oak Creek Golf Club twice. It's very well hidden from view. What a gift. What a gift it would be to have this place that we could all go to enjoy nature. I've had the opportunity to be involved in the evolution of the concept plans for this park, and they are stunning.
I truly can't wait for my family to be able to experience it ourselves. I'll also note that with this park could come the completion of Jeffrey Trail which with one additional bridge as someone mentioned earlier would allow for an unbroken 13 and a half mile loop around Irvine that would never require crossing a street. As a runner who has had friends be hit by cars and who's had cycling friends be hit by cars, The safety that that would mean for pedestrians and cyclists, and also the added benefit of traffic flow to drivers would be huge for our city. I sincerely encourage the council to move forward with this. Thank you.
Thank you for your comments. Ruth Bruno.
Hi council members and mayor nice playing pickleball with you at the Great Park. Mean in Woodbridge We used to play softball back in the day Larry. I moved to Irvine in '78 until you spoke I think I was the oldest person here but I'm only 30. Don't do the math. But let's do the math about the land. We can't give them 50 and then lose 126. I asked somebody outside that we're not in green, it doesn't make sense to me. Why? Why would you give up that extra space? She said the Irvine company told them if they don't vote for the Nature Center, they'll put 5,000 houses.
They're right out there. So smoke and mirrors, greed, we can't have that. Irvine has been a safe community. We have over 300 parks already you can walk outside any community and have Nature Oak Creek Golf Course is gorgeous beautiful my first home was in Orange Tree I'm in the Ranch Smoke Tree area now we cannot have that traffic I work I'm a small business owner in Irvine a single mom raised my family grew up here most homes have four to five cars Four to five. None of the stupid stats by bedroom count two and a half cars per home.
Sorry. Four to five. I volunteer and give back to the community every day.
Thank you.
I time is did.
We need to vote to the public and do what the law said. Don''t break the law guys. Have a conscience. Honor it. Thank you.
Thank you for your comments.
Marty Carver.
Welcome.
Mr. Mayor and city council Marty de Carver I was put up to this by my daughter my stepdaughter I wasn't planning to speak. I' been a Irvine resident not quite as long as you have but fifty five years so all of these people have gotten up and been here for ten fifteen years we' got age on you. I congratulate the irvine company for the development of the city of Irvine the village concept and everything else has been a beautiful city but I think the irevine company is like children playing with a soccer ball you' on your soccer field they' got the ball they don' like your rules they' going to take them home. What the irevine company is doing is blackmail it' called blackmail remember the first proposal they gave us was 3,100 homes on this property and if we don' play the game it' going to be 5,000 apartments that' called blackmail and that' what they' going to do with the rest of it for those of you who support this I ask you the question you approved 50 acres what are you going to do with the 126 acres that are left over you' going to put 2,500 to 3,000 homes on those acres with as my stepdaughter said three to four cars per house traffic is going
to be
unbearable this is not something we can support and as a city council you are our last line of defense. You.
Is Helen Cadar here?
Welcome mike ellison.
Good evening mr. Mayor and city council members. I'm mike ellison. I've lived here in the city of Irvine for thirty four years. I'm an attorney.
I'm happy I'm going to be retiring in two weeks. For the last thirty five years I've represented very large corporations against other very large corporations in lawsuits involving tens or millions of hundreds of billions of dollars. We always have sophisticated attorneys and sophisticated parties on both sides and we fight over major issues involving lots of money. As I sat here in the audience today listening to people speak in favor of the nature of park it made me sad. It made me sad because this is not the result of sophisticated parties having a dialogue it' a result of a very wealthy sophisticated company fooling and co opting people what they' done is they hold up the shiny trinket of a 50 acre nature park and they' convinced the good intentions of people they think id love to have a nature park.
Those people if you asked every one of them I bet they would more love 176 acre nature park. What they' also not seeing is the irevine company is not a charity they' not doing this to improve the quality of life in irevine they' doing this to make billions of dollars. They' asking you to sell back to them for the price of the small nature park the development rights they gave away in 1981. You should not do that. You should only consider if you consider any zoning change, you should only consider changing 176 acres.
If you're going have
a nature park, let's have a nature park.
Thank you. Melinda?
Welcome. Hello. I understood when we began that we could also ask questions. Is that true?
You can ask questions. I don't think we'll be immediately answering them. Oh, okay. I'm taking notes and we'll have a little bit of response to some of the questions raised,
I've of only been in Irvine for three years so this is all very new to me. My biggest question is if irvine ranch corporation wants to build just a nature park then is there really any need for rezoning? If their real offer is a nature park for the city of Irvine is there a need for rezoning? I would say no. Also, it was interesting that my niece sent me a text as she was waiting here.
She couldn't be here tonight. She's taking care of her children. And she talked about the traffic she lives in Oak Creek and she was talking about the traffic and how impossible it was to get her son to traffic to soccer practice and then back home I thought that was interesting timing for a message from her. So there's chart that the irvine corporation showed they showed an expansion of from 172 acres to three twelve acres and I just didn't know what that meant but mostly I'm offended by the deception of their marketing materials, enhancing a nature park, showing us a nature park, but never showing us the full picture of what their full intent was. And so I have a few seconds left.
What I want to say is I haven't heard anybody mention the impact on climate crisis that we're living in. If you remove that 120 acres of the golf course, you're going to end up with an enormous increase in heat in that neighborhood and in that area, and then in the city of Rhode
Island General.
Thank you. Your time is up.
Thank you for your conference. Sam?
And if I could also call forward KE Bank, Chris Bank, Roger Phillips, Vivek D, Terry Bozarth, Heidi, Mary Johnson, Eric F, Kritt, and Austin Wagner.
Thank you. Just one moment. So where are we now in the list of folks who are testifying in person?
Have about in person, we have about 11 more. One of those speakers is Mr. LeBlanc, who has a PowerPoint. And then we have about 10 on let's see, one, two, three, eleven on Zoom.
I think we are making good progress here. Welcome sir go right ahead.
Good evening mayor and council members. My name is Sam Zeng. I live in Irvine over thirty years. Actually, I played in the outbreak, and it is one of the most beautiful moments in my life. However, I support the project, the conference, a private golf course into a public nature park, which will be good for everyone. Thank you.
Thank you very much for your comments.
Is K. E. Bank?
It's okay.
Chris Bank?
Yep. My
wife summed up too, but I'm just going be speaking for both of us.
Well, welcome.
Thank you. Thank you for having me. My name is Chris Bank. So one of the things I wanted to talk about up here is that I don't want people to discount the value of getting the new open space that they're talking about, particularly the avocado orchards. My wife and I live in Portola Springs and we'd like to walk around the track at northwood high. When we walk around that track we actually see families of deers up in the hills up there. And the reason why they're able to get there is because that open space is connected to other open space so they can traverse around. So the value of having connected open spaces is very important. The other thing is that the value of connecting the bicycle trails is extremely important to me. My son was hit by a car when he was riding his bike.
My friend was also hit by his car on his bike when he was riding when he was actually commuting. So if you want to help solve the traffic problem, you need to have more connected bike trails that are off the road. My son right now is going to UCI, and he rides his bike home. If you can connect those trails, then it will be a safe path for him to go from UCI past Concordia, past IVC, and come to our house. So I really do appreciate you guys considering connecting the trails and considering keeping the avocado orchards there are also a firebreak for our house because we live in Portola Springs and we know those fires are going to come over those hills so I do appreciate having those firebreaks and I appreciate your considerations on this
Thank you for your comments.
Is Roger Phillips here? Vivek.
Welcome.
Hi, Mayor and council members. Thank you all for doing what you do. I'm a member of, live in Woodbridge with two young daughters. We love everything about Irvine. I just want to call out the 88.1. At the time, Irvine Company was granted the density to develop development densities all over Irvine in exchange for preserving that parcel as 100% open space. And now they're trying to have their cake and eat it too, right? It's not right. If the residents of Irvine truly agree with developing there, that's fine. Let's put it to a ballot.
It doesn't it's just not fair. It's not moral. And I think someone else made the point. We've had former mayors, former council members all speak out against what's being proposed right here. In fact, during the commission meeting, a former longtime employee of Irvine Company called out how immoral and wrong this proposal was. That spoke volumes. It's just it is crazy. It's crazy that it's even come to this. So, do the right thing. It's very obvious what the right thing should be. So, thank you very much.
Thank you for your comments. Is Terry Bozarth here? Terry Bozarth? Heidi? Welcome.
Thank you.
Good evening council members, mayor. I head the Save Oak Creek, Save Irvine campaign. My name is Heidi. I'm asking you tonight to reject the Planning Commission's recommendation to amend this zoning. Before you vote consider what that recommendation is built on.
It is built on a community survey that skipped the most affected neighborhoods the Ranch, Orange Tree, Smoke Tree, and the Meadows. It' built on public meetings where we caught ivy company employees posing as regular residents to speak in support that' not community input that' manufactured consent. Project offered interpretive drawings and could be language with no hard engineering data no real environmental study no full sequel review critically those drawings omit the power lines that the trails would run under Southern California Edison easements require constant vegetation clearing that clearing will destroy the riparian woodlands and pollinator gardens they are promising. This is not a true nature park its rebranding campaign. The planning commission was given marketing not science you deserve better than that and so does irvine so put it on the ballot and let the people decide.
No backroom deals reject the zone change keep our open space real.
Thank you for your time. Mary Johnson. Welcome.
Hi. Thanks, everybody. What she said. It's a con job. I hope people can see that. Let us vote. Okay? Thank you.
Thank you for your comments. Eric? Welcome, sir.
Welcome. Good evening, Mayor Larry Jargon. Thank you for your long standing service to Irvine and your leadership in helping shape the quality of life and strong community image we value here in Irvine. I believe that a mayor with your expertise can help guide solutions that work for the community as a whole. With that in mind, for the record, I want to note that there has not been a clear confirmation that a full CEQA vehicle miles traveled analysis has been completed for the maximum build out scenario enabled by this amendment at this stage.
From my perspective, as a resident trying to understand the long term impacts, having that complete analysis is an important for a clear and transparent picture of potential traffic and mobility effects. I would also like to ask a question. Since Resolution 80 eight-one was a voter approved initiative that designated this land for preservation, by what legal authority does the council believe it can bypass a public vote to rezone this preservation area into residential housing? Under the Paula banned president, isn't the city legally required to return to the ballot before overturning the will of the voters? Thank you.
Thank you for your comments.
Good evening, mayor and city council. I appreciate being able to talk before you today I' going to talk about my opinion I' not going to try to extrapolate all sorts of other people' opinions I' for seeing where this goes as I understand this measure is to amend the section to include an alternative approach to implementing open space in planning area 12. And I'm in absolute support of that. I appreciate the time to speak before you have a great day. Thank you for your comments.
Austin Wagner, and if I could also call forward Jay Bruce, Don Geller, and Shady Chaban.
Welcome.
Hi. My name is Austin Wagner. I'm here at my own accord just because I do like really open spaces, and I really value the open space that we have in Irvine. To start, I want to thank you guys for being here. Appreciate that you came here and you attended this, and you listened to everyone that's talking and communicate what they' saying I think it' a bit disingenuous to claim we' getting hundreds of acres of replacement open space when so much of that land is deeded to the city as avocado orchards this is land with significant restrictions management obligations water cost and maintenance costs and we do not even have independent verification that will financially benefit the city I also have concerns for public safety 3,100 units means thousands of new residents and I' m not seeing any consideration for a new fire station and building station or EMS expansion in this deal I worked as an EMT in Orange County for seven years and I can tell you that response times matter every second matters and I' like that to be considered in the deal I also want to talk about affordability under this proposal or by company is not building a single affordable unit on this site instead of permanent affordable housing we are getting a temporary voucher system and I really you know would like to impress upon the council that we need affordable housing with regard to the community benefits the cash payments that the urban company does make are spread out over eight years which means the real value will be diluted by inflation and I'm also concerned that the 50 acre park may not be as accessible as the urban company says it will be the Oak Creek has really beautiful trees I really do love the trees over there and I really hope that those are considered and not just taken down and destroyed if we develop this land we can never use it for open space you know it's a 176 acres of real open space and I really believe that we could potentially create a real open space in that area The urban company may own a lot of land, but the people of Irvine are the ones who live here, who use this land, and live with these decisions.
Your time is up.
You don't have
to do except this deal. The council has power here. The people of Irvine have power, and I'd like to request that you vote no on the zone change or at least send it back in demand a better, different plan, please. Thank you. Thank you. Chair Bruce,
welcome.
Oh, city council members. I just wanted to say, I think I like most people here, I think support an alternative open space use compared to a golf course. I think it'd be more useful to all Irvine residents. But it's actually because of that that I think that rewording the zoning ordinance isn't actually a bad idea. I think kind of to just state the obvious, I mean, we all kind of know that the nature park probably isn't going to happen without the housing.
I think the people here are mainly reasonably worried about what that housing is going to look like. But, you know, and of course nobody wants that the presence or the consideration of a nature park to have any bearing on the consideration of housing and what that's going to look like. But I think that nothing can as the city attorney recently stated, nothing can happen, nothing can change at the golf course unless without civic authorization and approvals, like with a sequel analysis. And so I think it's worth considering for the city just to more easily be able to analyze what would a nature park would entail. I think it's worth getting the details.
And then once we get those, then we can come back and fight about it then. Just a specific comment I wanted to make to city staff is that I wanted to point out that for open space, that open space in Orchard Hills isn't really comparable to the open space in Oak Creek because I go to Norfolk High School you know the orchards and the mountains there the reason it's open space is because you can't develop there you can't make build houses there so I would be concerned
as to
how useful that open space would be if it was to be city owned. You.
You. John Geller. Welcome Mr. Geller. You're chair of the finance commission correct?
I am but tonight I' just going to be talking for myself as a fifty year resident who voted in 1988 for the open space. I certainly hope the council agrees about the importance of bringing the vote to the people concerning the future of the entire Oak Creek Open Space. I think it would behoove the irvine company as well as the city council to recommend a vote to present the entire build out of the 176 acres. I see many wonderful attributes of the park after completing the entire Joe's Trail with all the connector bridges it would be a wonderful addition to the city. So how can how can a huge 176 acre project become palatable to the voters and how could it actually pass?
First I think it would require full transparency on the entire project which includes the park and the housing project. Why stop at a 50 acre park? Why not 60 acres? I have a great idea let' consider splitting the acreage between the park and a new lower scaled housing project a fifty-fifty split. An important point has been made that the irvine company won' be able to proceed with the park build out until their housing development is approved and that could take years and possibly litigation So bring a fully vetted plan to the irvine voters for an entire project to vote on it would still be up to the voters but it would be fully transparent and hopefully Win a win win win situation for the irvine company the residents who want to preserve open space and those who advocate for new housing present that to the voters and who knows it might just pass thank you.
Thank you for your comments. Shady? Welcome.
Thank you. Good evening. First of all, I wish we can switch like one time when people can talk to you guys you can answer back. Because I feel like everybody's talking, but nobody knows really what's going on like in your head or what are you guys thinking of. And
I've been
a resident of Woodbury for twenty years. And I have a question, like if we already have a resolution 80 eight-one, why are we trying to break the law? I remember a year ago exactly when we started talking about this, and Jeff said we had a meeting with the Irvine Company lawyers, and we can find a way. Doesn't that sound weird, From an authoritative person trying to say we can find a way to break the law? The second is if you break this resolution, what guarantee do you have that in the future, same thing is not going to happen?
All those preserved land is going to turn out and let's rezone it and build, build, build. I know everybody talked about the traffic and how horrible the traffic is and I'm sure you guys live in Irvine too. You see how it is like coming from Jeffrey. Everything has been going great all the time. There was always like building like a master plan and you have like a community and you have a center and people like shopping. Portola doesn't have anything. The great park, they're just building one like right now that's going to take a couple of years. And it's amazing how all of a sudden the apartments goes up in six months, but the building of something like that is taking years to build. Horrible to try to shop right now in Burberry.
You're welcome. Thank you for your comments.
Mr. Mayor, other than Mr. LeBlanc, that's all I have for the in person speakers. We have about 14 on Zoom. All right.
I'm going to suggest is Mr. LeBlanc here? There we are. Would you like to speak now? Yes, if that's okay. Sure. Please come down. And I understand you have few slides and your presentation about how long would it be?
I think I can do it ninety seconds if you have let me know.
You can take a little more time if need be okay since you I have slides as
appreciate that. For the record I' michael leblanc retired from the urbine company I worked on eighty eight-one help draft it. I come from that perspective. What I put on here is an excerpt from the open space dedication program. That's a part of the open space element.
What we're talking about is District 0, which is the last line on that exhibit. And what I've done is kind of show, penciled in some edits based on the consequences of the amendment that you're considering. So the staff report says that 80 eight-one is not impacted, but that's not correct. It violates 80 eight-one and the open space dedication program approved by the Irvine voters and incorporated into the general plan. By virtue of eighty eight-one and the compensating development rights previously received, the company owes the city 176 gross acres of preserved open space free of development.
The proposed development leads to increased development intensity in Central Irvine which is District 0 while reducing the preservation acres by more than two thirds. Central Irvine will have the highest amount of development as much as 9,050 units and millions of commercial development intensity. By the way that commercial intensity is already there in Central Irvine District 0 and you'll have the lowest amount of preserved open space just look at the the data and you can see that. This is being proposed without any proper sequel review. Before you make any zone changes the city should review the full development plan with a proper EIR after an EIR has been certified.
The entire development plan should be presented to Irvine voters for their approval, consistent with the intent of resolution 80 eight-one. Next slide. This is a depiction of all the implementation districts showing Implementation 0, the center part of Irvine. Next slide is a blow up showing you where the development area is. And my point is this, Development District 0 has been built out.
The city should accept the open space easement for preservation area O, record it and not abandon it without a proper appraisal of the land value assuming development, not as a golf course, and receiving the consent of the voters. I urge you to reject this piecemeal and incremental approach to village level planning. Thank you very much for your consideration.
Thank you for your comments. How many many speakers do we have in the queue?
We have 14 on zoom.
The queue is now closed.
Thank you mayor.
Very well why don't we go ahead with those 14 and then I'm going to suggest we take a brief recess and reconvene here after what I think will be a ten minute recess.
Thank you mayor. Our next speaker is Eric Nashanian. Mr. Nashanian you may unmute your mic.
Thank you. Councilmembers Larry Egren, mayor Egren, eighty eight point one memorializes that there is no alternative option to be considered. I used to summer camp at Bob Floor's gym across the street from Floor, which is now Villaciana. I moved into Woodbridge in 2002. I don't I don't see any homeowner association president here that was in agreement with this proposal. Not one. So if you're running for mayor, are you considering running for mayor? Think about that. If you're thinking about running for d five council member, think about that. Not one count not one association president.
You had former council members and mayors speak against this. It's enough. Irvine starts with I. Soon as illusory. From what I see, everything that the Irvine Company has promised the city of Irvine has been illusory. Everything that the city of Irvine has promised to the vote to the citizens has been illusory. Voter initiative that have passed have been illusory. Larry, you should know that. You saw what happened with the on the cemetery. The photos were in favor of that at a great park.
You want a nature walk? Go by a a foot in a field in Orange County. There's plenty of nature around us. We're we're at at at the foot of, Cleveland National Park. You can go to Irvine Regional.
Thank you. Your time is up. Our next speaker is Joshua Moore. Joshua, you may unmute your mic.
Hi. I'm Joshua Moore, resident of Woodridge. Let's be real here. For decades, this land has not been open space. It's been a golf course. It's not open space if you have to pay a $100 to use it. It's not open space if it's hidden behind a high berm in the trees that line the surrounding streets. It's not a natural habitat. A golf course is practically an ecological void. And yet for all these decades, we haven't heard a peep about the so called betrayal of the 80 resolution eighty eight one voters.
No one has ever called to question the Irvine Company's ownership of this land. No one cared. And then it was proposed that the land be put to the service of a vital need for this city, housing supply, and enter all these people co opting the color green. If the Irvine Company is offering this beautiful nature park in exchange for being able to contribute housing supply during an affordability crisis, I call that a win win. We should also encourage them to provide dedicated housing to the IDC community right across the street. Thank you.
Our next speaker is Matt Pimentel. Matt, you may unmute your mic.
Thank you, counsel, and good evening to the great people of Irvine. Oak Creek Golf Course is not just a recreational space. It represents open space that the Irvine community has long understood to be protected and preserved. Changing that now sets a dangerous precedent. That land designated and relied upon as open space can be redefined when it becomes convenient.
This isn't just about one golf course, it's about public trust and long term planning decisions. And yeah, on a personal level, I'm a golfer and Oak Creek is one of the most accessible and inclusive public golf facilities in Orange County and Southern California. Designed by legendary golf course designer Tom Fazio, who has multiple top courses in America's Top 100 list, this land is not easily replaceable and neither is the infrastructure. The driving range in practice facilities is something unlike anywhere else I've found in Southern California. For people with physical limitations and multiple knee surgeries like myself, having that is essential.
Irvine currently has three public golf courses, and removing that, Oak Creek would eliminate 33% of the public ones entered in the city. At the same time, according to Irvine Company's own parks data, the city already has three zero two parks, and 30% of the entire land of this city is designated as parks or open space. Is it appropriate to remove a third of the city's public golf facilities, take 176 acres of open space, and reduce it to just 50 acres of parkland when the majority becomes housing development? Once you allow this type of resume
Thank you. Your time is up. Our next speaker is telephone number 348. 348, you may unmute your mic. 348, can you hear us?
Our next speaker is James Swan. James, you may unmute your mic.
Good evening, members of the council. I'm James from Woodbridge. You are members of the council, and your votes have consequences, which is why your votes need to be based on what the physical consequences actually are. I'm speaking in favor of this rezoning because let's be real. Just because you call something open space doesn't mean it's actually open space. Oak Creek is a private golf course. It's a manicured lawn full of pesticides. It's not nature any more than Jeff Bezos' backyard is. And when people say, oh, no. What about the traffic?
You have to think, just because you don't build this specific housing project doesn't mean that the people those housing projects would house just disappear into thin air. They will either be in the 5,000 apartments that are built instead or live further away and drive even further, creating even more vehicle miles traveled. That's the thing you always have to understand about environmentalism. Building dense housing closer to amenities like a park reduces traffic and gives people an alternative to driving versus having them live further away and drive even more. Irvine Company is offering us housing and a park in place of a private golf course, and it's either that or have the private golf course and 5,000 apartments.
I think the choice is very clear. Let's not get wrapped up in these theoretical emotional appeals about something that could not
Thank you. Your time is up. Our next speaker is Mona. Mona, you may unmute your mic.
Good evening. Oh, bye, Kathleen. Very quickly, I am just listening to all of this. I've listened to everybody speak. I agree with Mr. Geller and I think it was LeBlanc. Why don't we have the full scale of what the Irvine company wants to do and put it to a vote to to the residents? You guys have done this over and over again. I don't know if you expected that many people to speak. But you guys put up something and then you don't listen to us.
You have your made you you've made up your mind already. And we need you to listen to us. As most people have said, yeah, you're breaking the law. This is something that
we voted on before. Mhmm.
So for me, I don't trust Irvine Companies. And to talk about affordable housing, you tell me an amount what an affordable house is. What's an affordable apartment according to Irvine Company? Because they only give a percentage of what they build. They still have lots of apartments that they have not rented yet. They have not done anything right. So I don't know where you're going with this. I don't know why we're even looking at this and wanting a vote today. Put it out with the whole thing, what they want to build.
Thank you. Your time is up. Our next speaker is Jay Sato. Jay, you may unmute your mic.
Hello. Can you hear me?
We can hear you.
Good evening. My name is Jay Sato. I've been a resident of Oak Creek for twenty seven years. I am a father of three children, and I am active in the leadership of our Boy Scout troop and therefore always advocating for the current and next generation's access to the outdoors. I support the nature park to make open space in Irvine even more accessible.
The proposed nature park connecting the bike parks of Oak Creek to the Jeffrey Open Space Trail will allow safe bicycling from the mountains all the way to the Pacific Ocean. When completed, this will promote more use of bicycles and other non automotive transportation for not just recreational purposes, but for commuting and trips to retail centers or grocery shopping. I'm for a nature center, botanical, pollinator gardens. As a parent and scout leader, I strive to instill the values of nature, conservation, and environmental sustainability in the children I work with as a way to invest in all of our futures. As the world around us sees more and more values of sustainability efforts, I feel it's important for us to invest in the next generation so they will become effective custodians in the environment.
I hope we can make this investment together to benefit the city and our children and their children. I hope
that the
city, Irvine City Council will support and move forward with the steps needed for the nature park. I appreciate your consideration. Thank you.
Our next speaker is Jeremy Ficarola. Jeremy, you may unmute your mic.
Yeah. Hi there. Jeremy Ficarola. I'm a homeowner. I'm also the president of the Cypress Village Homeowners Association site, but I'm speaking on behalf of myself. Cypress Village is right next to the Oak Creek development. I'm in strong support of it. I'm in I'm in strong support of Irvine Company's plans for a park and then later down the road, hopefully, for the entire development of affordable housing as well as potentially even a school. These are all amenities that we need. There is a housing crisis.
It's unfortunate to hear so many people, who were able to purchase homes when it was affordable, when the dollar went further. They don't appreciate the the the crisis with with housing with younger generations, and it's really sad to hear that. That being said, again, I'm in full support. I think the plans are amazing. I'm actually excited for this project, and I I hope it goes through. The only question is, I think, the mayor mayor Akron and, city attorney Melchin has to come to an understanding of the legal side of whether or not this has to go to a vote in terms of rezoning 88.1. That's the issue there. Thank you.
Our next speaker is Sandra Rush. Sandra, you may unmute your mic.
Yes. Thank you.
I am just calling to ask why the city council does not follow the dictates of its voters. This has been voted again and again, and I don't understand why you do not follow what the voters have required of you. In addition, we know that the Irvine Company's presentation was very deceptive in terms of the 50 acres, which is underneath power lines, and that the other 175 or total 175, it'd be great if they would turn the whole thing. They don't even have to do anything because the golf course is beautiful right now. It's not private.
It's public. Anybody can go. And the fact that if they develop the whole thing, made the whole thing a park, that would be great. But that's not what they're intending to do, and we know that. The Great Park was supposed to be a great park, but instead it's a giant residential development.
So there was supposed to be a school in Oak Creek. They never built it, so they're putting a picture of a school there, but we know that's not gonna happen. Please just do what the voters elected to have you pursue and keep the the word to to us. Sorry if I'm just rambling on, but it just gets so frustrating that we are continuing to put our our positions forth, and you guys continue to just
Thank you. Your time is up. Our next speaker is Donald Gardner. Donald, you may unmute your mic.
Good evening council members. I've been a homeowner in Irvine since 1969. Back then I rode the bus with the farmers kids through the orange groves to my elementary school long before most of the city existed. I watched Irvine grow and lately it seems to be moving away from what makes it great. The reality is that Irvine is growing beyond its means. Irvine has become a car dependent city. It has a dismal walkability score of 39. Our streets and parking lots are frequently congested. Neighbors are finding it difficult to even drive in and out of their communities. We have to ask, where does it stop?
It should stop here. This land was a promise to the people. It was protected by voters in 1988 under the resolution and again in 1991. That was the deal. Now we're told that promise can be swapped for distant avocado orchards with plans to rezone for 3,100 homes on most of the golf course. But you cannot take away protected land in Central Irvine and trade it for something miles away and call it equal. It's not. Once you give this up, you never get it back. This feels like a workaround to bypass the will of the people. I ask you to respect original vote.
Let the voters decide with a clear up and down ballot. Rather than the Irvine Company making the park in exchange for building more houses, the city of Irvine can build the park themselves. The Oaktree Golf Course is one of the few places where you feel like you've actually escaped the city. We really need to keep our protected open spaces exactly as they are, open.
Thank you. Your time is up. Our next speaker is telephone number 347. 347, you may unmute your mic.
Yes, this is Steve Fox. Melinda Lou started this rumor about Oak Creek Golf Course not open to the public. My brother-in-law golfs at this course and he lives in Laguna Niguel. So clearly it is open to the public. And just because not everyone golfs, there's not a reason to shut it down. Not everyone plays soccer, miss Lou. Does that mean we should shut down all those soccer fields at the Great Park? Stop being such a hypocrite. Put down your pen and listen to the people. And Mayor Agrant, please put this to a vote by the people like you promised. Thank you.
Our next speaker is Nancy Wang. Nancy, you may unmute your mic. Hello, Nancy. Can you hear us? Our next speaker is Ethan Matkin. Ethan, you may unmute your mic.
Hello. Thank you for allowing me to speak tonight. I'm an avid golfer. I'm a big fan of Oak Creek Golf Course. It's an incredible practice facility for anybody who's in the Orange County area, Irvine area to come and practice regardless of how old they are.
It's an important facility for the youth athletics around here. I'll also say that I feel like the Irvine Company is doing a classic bait and switch where they're providing a nature park, 50 acres, but taking a 100 and so odd for themselves to build commercial real estate. It's just terrible. It's a terrible idea, and it makes me really frustrated. And I think that this has to go to a vote. Let the people decide. Let us decide. It's our city. We live here. We're part of the community. And please represent us and do the right thing in letting us vote. Thank you.
Mr. Mayor, we have three left in the queue. Two of them were in the original 14 that looked like they were having technical difficulties. If I may try them again. And then there's one very late request. I'll defer to you on that.
Why don't we just hear from all three of them and we'll then take a recess.
Thank you mayor. If I could try 348 again. 348 you may unmute your mic. We can barely hear you 348.
As a former public school administrator, every decision for forty years I had to make, I asked myself, what's best for students? Your decision needs to be based on what's best for the constituents, not the Irvine Company. What side do you want to be on? Honesty, integrity or untruth and deception? Dick does not own Oak Creek.
How can a non order lead to charge change of zoning rights to the property. It's like me requesting my neighbor's home to become commercial. They are trying to strong-arm us. TIC has already been compensated years ago, handsomely. Listen to Mr. LeBlanc. What TIC does is only based on making money. They already own 50,000 to 60,000 apartments. Research says public safety can point to the number of high density housing. Only affordable housing in Irvine and Sub Meadows build more mobile home parks.
In all my professional years working as a public school administrator and working in public safety, coordinating the largest volunteer organization here in the city of Irvine, we focus on doing the greatest good for the
Thank you. Your time is up. Our next speaker is Nancy Wang. Nancy, you may unmute your mic.
Thank you. Can you hear me?
We can hear you.
Okay. Thanks for the second
chance. Zittermine Company wants us, the residents, to believe they are benevolent. They are not.
They are a for profit organization that
have proven themselves to be ruthless. And others have said, this is not about the park. If they really care about us, really care about our quality of life, they close the golf course and make the whole thing apart. Connect the bike trails. Fantastic. Will never happen. Not without a quid pro quo that degrades our quality of life.
They are working hard
to not talk about the housing. This is a trap. The planning commission are the experts, but they didn't do their jobs. So you are the backstop. You are the conscious, and we are counting on you to
see the loopholes that the urban company is trying
to leverage. The Great Park is supposed to be like New York Central Park. It's not, not even close.
The gentleman said the nature park will be used by
the new residents and traffic in and out will be horrific is right. Let us not forget the nightmare of the July last year. The revamp plan is a wolf in sheep's clothing. They consistently don't deliver what they promise. This is about building homes. Their plan last year went over like a lead balloon,
so they went back to
the drawing board. How can we build lower homes? Let's throw them a bone with
a small nature park. Yeah.
Let's do focus groups and make them feel like they're really getting something valuable. Yeah. Then if the city council does the right thing and puts it to the voters, we'll have embedded champions. We're doing it.
Their marketing practices are complete propaganda. If they were regulated by many other industries, they
would be heavily sanctioned for
their half lives. The city needs to reign in
this egregious behavior by honoring the
decision by the voters. Put it to rest once and forever.
Thank you. Your time is up. Our last speaker is Richard Tang. Richard, you may unmute your mic.
Good evening, mayor. Good evening, council members. I agree. The Irvine Company is a corporation. Profit is its motive. Despite this, times have changed. We need more housing. Irvine is not affordable. I am a student here. I've been living here since first grade. I'm going to IVC. I would very much like to stay living in this city. I understand everybody's concerns that the Irvine Company is not a good it's not a good friend. We're basically a company town. Most of the apartments and houses here are owned by either the Irvine company or by some other realtor.
But if we don't continue to build, if then there won't be any affordable housing. There won't The housing will stay unaffordable. Please change, let's get on with the times. Let's build more. Let's ensure that Irvine may have a chance. If that requires putting regulations on the Irvine company, fine. If it means, let's just please, let's build more housing. I'd like to I'd like to live here. This is my home, and I'd like to live here when I graduate. Thank you.
And that is all, Mr. Mayor.
Thank you to everyone who has offered their comments tonight. Some of them have been I think truly eloquent thought provoking I' been taking notes and noticed my colleagues have been taking notes as well. Let me just try and sort this out a little bit procedurally. If we were to close the public hearing now could we still have a little back and forth with the applicant or with others that we may wish to call forward or should we keep the public hearing open.
Either approach will work mayor. Either one.
What I' going to suggest is that we take a break that we return in thirteen minutes at 09:30 sharp that we take one or two rounds of comments questions from the dais here, and see if we can respond to some of the public comments, and otherwise sort our way through this procedure and understand again what it is that is precisely before us and what is not before us. With that absent any objection will be in recess for thirteen minutes and see everybody back at 09:30. With the meeting come to order once again having been in recess not for thirteen minutes but for eighteen minutes the time is now 09:35PM We're reconvened here. Would people please take their seats? People please take their seats.
We're at the stage here where we're going to keep the record open, I think, for the time being. And give our counsel colleagues here a chance to raise some questions, make some comments. I'm going to suggest we think about two rounds so that we can get some of our issues out and resolved and our concerns expressed. With that, I' going to invite my colleagues to take the opportunity now to pose some questions of staff. I assume we could call the applicant down if there are questions to be put to the applicant and to anybody representing opposition to the applicant as well.
We can do that. That being the case, I'm going to turn to my colleagues now. The first to be heard. Mr. Peterson, why don't we put the timer at five minutes?
I want to be flexible about this, but if we could try to limit our first round remarks to just and questions and responses to just five minutes each, I think we can keep things in good order that way. James Mai, the vice mayor and council member is the first to has requested to be heard and I'll recognize him now.
Thank you mayor and thank you to everyone who is with us for these past hours and your testimony is very important. We appreciate that. This is a very emotional issue for myself also. I live off Yale next to the ranch, Yale and Irvine Center over there, Yale and Walnut. So, I also want to thank everyone who reached out by email as well.
And this is one of the things that makes, we had 700 emails by the way. And this is one of the things that makes Irvine great, which is the passionate engaged citizens of our community here. Before proceeding, I would like the city attorney to please confirm three points clearly for the record, for the public, and just for clarity in general. There is a high bar to satisfy me and to support this, I need some clarification on here. I mean I've heard a lot of different things from different groups, from different people, people providing testimonies.
If you can indulge me and just answer some of my questions, some plain answers for me. Plain questions. Number one, can you confirm that this item does not rezone any property, it is not a zone change and does not mend or alter 88.1 or any actions or protections that currently exist under 88.1 or a result of 88.1? That's the first one. The answer to that question is yes.
It does not change the zoning on the property. The zoning is 1.4 preservation right now, and there's nothing before the council tonight that would change it to anything else. For whatever it's worth, 88.1 didn't change the zoning at all. '80 eight-one gave direction to the city council to change the general plan. 80 eight-one was adopted in June 1988, and the city council changed the general plan in October 1989.
And eighty eight-one resulted in a preservation designation, general plan designation on the property, and that will not change as a result of what's happening tonight. Okay. Secondly, can you confirm that this action does not amend or change the city's general plan? I heard that multiple times tonight in any way, including land use or open space designation, including the adopted 2024 general plan. I need to know that as well.
There is no general plan amendment before you tonight. Alright. Thirdly, can you confirm that this does not or this does create flexibility for future use or some later date either if the voters approve a ballot measure which we heard about today people talking about that or the council lawfully adopt change. Is the terminology preservation intact? Are we changing that at all tonight?
You are not. The preservation designation in the general plan and the preservation designation in the zoning code would not be changed by virtue of what's happening tonight. And to reiterate something I said earlier, in the zoning code, 1.4 preservation specifically says In fact, if you'd like, I can throw up a slide to show the text. Okay. If you could, that would be great, but my clock is running. So, please bring it up. Three more Two more slides, please. One more. That's the text of the section that defines 1.4 preservation. You can see in subpart three there, all residential, commercial, and industrial uses are prohibited from prohibited.
And then there's an exception that applies for the commercial prohibition because it's a golf course. But the residential and the industrial prohibition remain in place. That is the definition of the zoning designation on this property. And, it is not changing by virtue of what is before the council tonight. Thank you.
I wanted all three points of those clearly on record by you, the city attorney, before we proceed so the public understands tonight's action does not change the zoning, does not change the general plan, and does not weaken the existing open space preservation language. Can you comfortably say those three items? Yes. All three. So, would this actually strengthen the position of the people to have the options on how we would use the open space?
That's my final question for you here. Because from my understanding, I mean despite, we're not voting on building. We're not voting on rezoning, but we're voting on how we're going to use open space after a potential ballot or after a potential change by the city council. The only refinement I would offer to that is you're voting on how you could change the open space. And, one of the things that this does is it ensures that if the open space isn't the 162 acres in the end, it ensures that something of equivalent value exists in Planning Area 12.
So, the maps currently
The Zoho map. I
thought I had five minutes. That was three.
No, go ahead and finish. Take another minute to
wrap Thank you. You Sure. So, the maps, current maps, are going to whatever happens tonight, maps currently, whatever happens tonight are going to be the same. The zoning will be the same. Correct. Incorrect. And, the preservation will be the same. Correct. We're providing options for what we can do with the open space because we can't do anything with it unless we do this. Is that correct?
That's correct. Alright. If that's if that's the case, I move to introduce for the first reading and read by title only an ordinance of the city council of the City Of Irvine California approving zone change zero zero nine seven six six zero three to amend section nine dash 12 dash seven of the Irvine zoning ordinance to establish an alternative approach to implementing open space in planning area 12 Oak Creek filed by the irvine company. Second.
Motion by vice mayor and councilmember mye and second by councilmember treseder. The motion is just in front of us doesn' get in the way of speaking to the motion raising questions with staff and so forth. Thank you councilmember mye. Will turn now to councilmember Martinez Franco.
Thank you. I want to first start addressing a few myths that I hear today about traffic. I mean, for someone who works in LA a lot, this is not traffic. I decided
go visit the golf course just a few days ago. Beautiful space. Beautiful, beautiful. However, I see where the traffic is in the golf course. All these people that go play golf come from outside our city to make more traffic. With the golf course gone
there Just a moment. Please allow the council member to proceed uninterrupted, all right? Go ahead.
We have an open space dedicated there. Not only we are helping IBC students to have an open space that they can walk and do and and leave their cars behind if they even have cars. They like bicycle. Our seniors will have a chance to go and and walk freely without being hidden by a golf course. Because let's be honest, you cannot just run across the golf course and let your toddlers run across the golf golf course without somebody yelling at you and telling you what are you doing in the green.
And the kids will have a a good place to play in the water, in the hills, and there will be so many trees preserved. And, again, there will be less traffic if we dedicate that open space. Because people will come less from our city and this part will be for our community. Now I'm not taking the the value of putting this back in the ballot if that happens, but let me ask you something about change. Somebody voted to for segregation.
Does that make it right? No. We have to change with the times. We have to change with the times. And I'm not taking away that this might go to a vote. I'm not taking that away.
I'm going to ask you again to please I'm gonna ask you to, I'm going to politely ask you to allow the council member to conclude her remarks, and then we'll just go on. Please, your interruptions, they don't help your case, let me put it that way, all right?
We're going
to have a round of comments here by council members. And I would plead with you to see to it that those comments are not interrupted. We didn't interrupt you. We didn't interrupt any of the 100 or so speakers who spoke. We want to accommodate all voices in an orderly way. Alright? Go ahead councilmember.
Thank you mayor. Well I didn't get here to be quiet or to be the quiet latina right? I'm here because I'm that spicy latina that is going to speak up. So while I'm pleased with the what the urban company recent public outreach, I want to see more from them, especially in my district. I will strongly encourage them to sit with organizations like the Woodbridge village association and really listen, compromise and be open to new ideas.
And while I understand tonight's item does not approve any specific development, my future support will depend in the deep level of engagement with my community. Under those terms, I'm prepared to support the motion. Thank you so much.
Thank you. Council Member Martinez Franco, Council Member Tresieder.
Thank you very much. Yeah, I am pleased to support potentially the development of a park. I, just as by way of my background, background, I am a professor of biology at UCI. My area of expertise is ecology, especially ecosystem science. And golf courses, I get it.
Technically, they're open in the sense that there's no buildings on them, but they are not great for the environment, I will say. You see all the fertilizers, the pesticides, the herbicides that go on there, require a lot of watering. You see that the grass is very very green if you look at our hills they are not green it's because a lot of water is being added to them to make them green they end up being a net negative on the environment I did talk to the urban company about their plans for the park and about their selections of plant species and so forth. I'm pretty sure that their planned park will be much better for the environment, will truly replicate some coastal sage scrub, which is an endangered ecosystem. So I'm very happy to support that.
Now I will say I have heard you say that this is all tied to the development, I'm not going to disagree with that at all. I think you're absolutely right. I know you're right. So I want to make it clear to you that just because I'm supporting the park doesn't mean that I'm automatic yes vote on the development. Alright?
And I've talked to many of you before, talked in earlier meetings, and I've said, I'm only going to support this development if they actually have true long term affordable housing, not the not the instant affordability that was in the original MOU. Okay now if they can do that then I will ultimately be supportive of the development just letting you know, but so far they have not committed to that to me and so I'm waiting to see if they do that. But for now yes I do support a park. Thank you.
Are there others on this first round? If there aren' I' going to just take a few minutes here. First of all, I just want to be clear that we don't control here who applies for what kind of development. There's a process. Landowners and developers are free to submit an application.
And it's our responsibility to weigh in on the efficacy of that particular application and what process ought to be followed and so forth. I do want to note that and maybe there's a question for staff that assuming this particular ordinance were to pass, it creates a process is that correct?
That' correct.
An alternative process to further pursue that application including preparation of an eir?
This particular zoning text amendment doesn' establish any parameters related to cqua but it does require discretionary review process that would be subject to CEQA. The level of CEQA document has not been determined at this time.
All right. It' my expectation that there' be a thorough EIR prepared and that will obviously take into account all the impacts of housing development and traffic. And I think everybody acknowledges traffic is a big, big problem. Typically, an EIR would come forward with mitigations. I don't know that this could even be sufficiently mitigated.
That's why we do EIRs. So that when the value of the project is weighed later on, people can decide whether it's worthy of going forward in approval. In that regard, let me just be clear myself that 88 dash one I had a big hand in putting that together. 80 eight-one in my mind was a ballot measure and initiative put on the ballot by the then sitting city council and it was put on with the intent of declaring for all the public to see what the parameters of our permanent open space preservation would be. And I think everybody at the time was of the view, in fact, I recall saying so on a number of occasions, that this is to make our open space going forward, which was vanishing with each developing project before us, This is to make our permanent natural open space, it was to make it permanent, tamper proof.
That was the phrase that was used. It's tamper proof. Can it ever be changed? Yes. But only with a vote of the people.
That was the campaign argument for it. I don't know in this current context how exactly that could work or should work, but I will just say whatever happens tonight, certainly if this motion is adopted, I will be personally pursuing what avenues would be appropriate and what timing would be appropriate for a ballot measure as to the project itself. So that people can see it whole, they'll have the benefit of the EIR, and the people of the city could make a decision. That will have to be determined as to whether we do that or not at a later date. And you have my pledge that I will do everything to see to it that we have a proper vote on whatever is decided.
All right? That's my comment. Mr. Melchin, you wanted to add something? I don't, mayor. I'm good. You looked like you were about to bust out of your chair there. Mr. Melchin and I have a little bit of a disagreement about, it's not a little disagreement. It's a big disagreement about 88.1 and whether it can be substantially changed in any way without a vote of the people.
We have a disagreement in that regard and you'll be hearing more about this going forward. At this point I think we're ready to start round two, which will be our concluding round council member vice mayor James my.
Thank you mayor and this is this comment and question is for Mr. Melting again Mr. Melting I contacted you multiple times previous to this meeting and I was kind of pushing really hard on these confirmations of these four items, having you prepare something even. My question is, again, eight eighty one, no change, no plan amendment, The preservation of the terminology is intact and open space is flexible now versus a rigid rule on it. You've confirmed those, but can I also get what you put up there in terms of the slides?
Are you able to provide that for me as well? Sure, absolutely. So, could you go back two slides? This really is sort of reiterating the points that you made Vice Mayor already. This here is an image of the general plan. And you can see the two P designations, the green P designations. That's the Oak Creek Golf Course. And then you can see there the legend that says that green is preservation. This slide is only intended to illustrate that nothing on that picture, which is the picture of the current general plan, nothing on that picture is changing on account of the zone changes before you tonight. Just to show you what's not changing in the general plan.
In fact, there's no general plan amendment before you tonight. Then next slide please. This is the same approach to the zoning. You can see there the 1.4 designation in the green that is applicable to the Oak Creek Golf Course. It's a 1.4 designation in the zoning code.
There is no change to that land use designation proposed tonight. The uses that can go on that green property must comply with the 1.4 designation. That same designation has been on that property for more than thirty years. And then the last slide, just to show one last time, this is the text that talks about what can occur in the 1.4 designation. And the large print there says no residential, no industrial.
So, none of that changes by virtue of what's before you tonight, and that is to say the things that you said before. The land use designations don't change. The allowable uses don't change. Vic, I appreciate that. There was a lot of confusion, but it's reassuring that none of that changes. Thank you for that presentation.
I see no other requests. I've got a couple more points. A Colombo moment, just one more thing. Where are we in the CEQA process? What environmental work has been done, is being done, and when would it be concluded in your judgment?
We do not have a development application in at this time, so we have not yet started the CEQA process.
All right. And if it were to come in tomorrow?
In my What
kind of a process would it be in your experience?
In my experience, a good general time frame is about a year if an EIR is to be prepared.
All right. So we've got a ways to go. All right. I did have a question or two about the Jeffrey open space Trail. First of all, as so many have commented, Irvine Company materials that they've been sending out are very alluring.
I understand it. Reminds me of a comment I frequently have made which is that I've never met a rendering I didn't like. They're always beautiful. They don't tell the whole story, but they tell part of the story in an attractive way. But what's not quite clear to me is the Jeffrey Open Space Trail in some previous publication that the company put out, it effectively showed that trail all the way down to Quail Hill, and basically over the southern coastal hills to the beach, and north to the Gateway Preserve.
Was I reading that right and understanding that right? Are we talking about a commitment to make that Jeffrey Open space trail seamlessly complete in a matter of some years?
Mr. Mayor that material was prepared by Irvine company. The city was not involved in that so I' going to defer to the applicant.
All right. Come on forward if you would please.
Mr. Mayor, members of the council, Jeff Davis. Currently, the Jeffrey Open Space Trail has improved. There was a subject of eighty eight point one, starts at the 5 and goes north all the way to the Gateway Preserve, as
you mentioned.
That's the area that was improved as a part of the process that started in 2003. The balance of the trail network does exist either on street or there's an off street bike trail in portions of that that do connect the trail into the connection that goes over the 405 Freeway into Quail Hill. This is the kind of the gap in that program right now. We would then, as proposed in the zoning, that park, should it be built, would include bridges over the railroad track and over Irvine Valley Irvine Center Drive connecting into Irvine Valley College. So it would add those two elements into a park that's currently not improved.
And then remind me, below Irvine Valley College in the South, Below Irvine Valley College, would the trail be continuing?
The trail does continue. It exists today. There aren't grade separated crossings across Barrancas. That's the last gap. The trail currently continues on street or in an off street trail to connecting into the trail that goes over the 405 Freeway.
On street or off street there' a bridge over the 405?
Correct.
Then I see the trail would it be further improved in any way?
The elements within the area from Erbine Center Drive to the 5 Freeway would be improved completely, yes.
From Irvine Center Drive?
Correct.
To the 405?
To the 5.
To the 5. And then we of course have the Joss Bridge that's going to open, I guess, this summer.
Correct.
And on the other side, we have a trail that goes up to the Gateway Preserve?
Yes. It continues the Jeffrey Open Space Trail does continue all the way up to the Gateway Preserve. It also intersects with the Hicks Canyon Trail, the Ventus Spur Trail, the Walnut Trail, the San Diego Creek Trail. And, as you mentioned, it does connect into Quail Hill.
All right. I'm going to have to just re familiarize myself with that a little bit. But there are places at which people would have to encounter a stoplight, an intersection.
My recollection off the top of my head, the only place would be at Barranca.
At Barranca? All right. All right. That's just a matter of some question in my mind as to how that might be achieved and when and so forth with or without your application. All right.
I think at this point by the way, in connection with the traffic matter, I assume there's going to be an intensive study of mitigation measures. As I say, I don't know that it could even be satisfactorily mitigated, but presumably very serious extension of the Irvine Connect free shuttle bus service would have to be part of that. Is that your view as well as planners?
There would be an extensive study of traffic and a vmt and it could be that we identify something like that if there were to be a vmt impact but we certainly look at all options as we evaluate traffic and vehicle miles traveled.
Just to underscore again the eir you think we' looking at a year or more? About that timeframe. Does that sound right to you Irvine Company representative here? Mr. Davis.
Our experience is as a general rule, the fastest is nine months and the longest is eighteen. So, about a year is probably a pretty good guess.
Okay. All right. Thank you. Anything further? We should close the public hearing at this point. I'm tempted to let one person say a little something if they wish. I didn't want it to be only Mr. Davis who was heard. Mr. LeBlanc wants to come forward that's fine.
Say you would have you would have the last word. Mr. LeBlanc.
Thank you. I wanted to respond a little bit to Councilmember Mai's questioning. I understand that the land use preservation category in the general plan or zoning is not being changed. But what you are doing is changing the process and the procedures that were enshrined in the general plan and are still mentioned in the open space element. That's that open space dedication program.
And by way of example, it's very clear that the company's obligations for open space is one thing. Park dedication requirements are another. What the zone change is doing is conflating the two. And what you're going to do is allow the Irvine Company to get credits for both their open space obligation and their park obligation. Whenever they come forth with the development plan and the residents that will reside there, they're going to say, I got this zone change.
It's, I get, I get park credit. And they, what they've done is introduced a favorable formula on golf course values so that they can offset their land dedication requirements by virtue of the improvements they want to install. So you're not changing the land use, but you're changing the processes and procedures that were part of the open space agreement. They were enshrined in the general plan. I would argue that you really ought to be doing a general plan amendment to kind of deal with the big picture here about what that how that open space program works.
Because I think what you're going to be faced with is a detrimental effect on not only the open space dedication requirements, but also the park dedication requirements that will come with the development. That's the only clarification that I wanted to kind of get on record with you.
All right. Well, thank you. Thank you very much for those concluding comments. I see no further requests from my colleagues to be heard. A motion is properly before us. I think I need to close the public hearing before we take this vote. I'll move to close the public hearing. Is there a second? Seconded by Council Member Martinez Franco. And would the clerk please call the roll in closing the public hearing?
Council Member Go. Yes. Council Member Liu. Yes. Council Member Martinez Franco.
Council Member Trecedor.
Vice Mayor Mai. Yes. Mayor Egren. Yes. Carries six to zero of the members present.
Thank you. Public hearing properly closed. The motion properly before us. Would the clerk please call the roll?
Council Member Goh? Yes. Councilmember Liu. Yes. Councilmember Martinez Franco. Yes. Councilmember Trusieder.
Vice Mayor Mai. Yes. Mayor Agram. Yes. Carry six to zero of the members present.
Thank you. That concludes this item. Thank you to all who testified and offered their comments. And to be continued, When, Mr. Melchin, do you expect this matter is apt to be before us again?
That's frankly a little uncertain, mayor. I think the next natural time would be at the conclusion of the EIR process.
Talking about next year as a practical matter. Thank you all for your participation. We'll now go on to agenda items five. 5.1 with the clerk please identify this item by title and subject.
County waste infrastructure system enterprise agreement.
Just wait a moment luise if you would. Folks we have a little more business to do if you would please make your way out of the chamber if you're leaving. Thank you. All right, I'm going to turn to do you want to be heard Mr. Crombie or should I turn directly to staff?
Our public works director Luis Estevez is ready to make a brief presentation.
Welcome Mr. Estevez and please for folks at home introduce yourself if you would and the item.
Good evening Mr. Mayor members of the city council Louis Sestevez director public works and sustainability it' my pleasure to present to you a brief presentation this evening regarding the proposed waste infrastructure system enterprise agreement or the wise agreement on tonight's agenda for your consideration. The wise agreement the wise is an agreement between the County Of Orange and every orange County city and sanitation district for the provision of management and safe disposable wall municipal waste generated in Orange County as well as for the management of the county's landfill system which is considered a critical public infrastructure shared by all county residents. Being a party to the wise agreement guarantees city access to the county landfill system and ensures each municipality has a place to properly landfill waste generated in their respective communities. The wise agreement also ensures that member cities pay a discounted tipping fee at the landfill for every load that is deposited there as well as provide a provision to share revenues collected by the county for out of county imported waste and increased franchise fee revenues.
By way of background the precursor to the wise agreement was the waste disposal agreement which Irvine has been a party to since 1997. The term of these agreements are typically ten years the most current version of the agreement expired in June 2025. However the county and cities extended the term by one additional year to give the orange the Orange County City Managers Association time to negotiate new terms. Once negotiations between the city managers association and county concluded the board of supervisors approved the news the new wise agreement this past January. There are a number of key provisions a number of new key provisions added to the new wise agreement that the city managers worked hard to make sure were included.
As is customary the agreement is for a ten year term by signing on to the wise agreement cities are guaranteed to pay a minimum 10% less than what the current posted tipping fee is at the Gate. The county was proposing a significant rate increase that would have resulted in a large spike in refuse collection rates. The city managers were able to negotiate a three year phase in process to smooth out that rate spike to provide ratepayers a longer runway to start absorbing those higher costs. Beginning in 2029 the tipping fee will automatically be increased based on a combination of the consumer price index and the waste disposal index with rate adjustments taking effect each July 1. Under this new agreement the county will now be required to provide all cities with an analysis of their estimated versus actual revenues received and then report those findings no later than May 1.
If the county shows that they have received more revenues than they had originally anticipated under the new wise agreement those excess revenues are to be used to be be buy to buy down that year's anticipated tipping fee rate increase thus helping to keep waste collection and disposal rates low and stable. For example if the county wants to raise their tipping fee by say 3% in one year and they receive more revenues than anticipated they would use those excess revenues to buy down that planned 3% rate increase and perhaps end up instead with a 2% or 2.5% rate increase as an example. The new agreement also creates a more efficient process to contest County rate adjustments as well. This table here presents the current and future per ton tipping fee rates for Orange County cities under the new wise agreement. The initial rate increase is being phased in over a period of three years and starting in '29 again as I mentioned the rate increase will be adjusted by the CPI and a combination of the CPI and the waste index.
The second column shows what the tipping fee is for non wise agreement participants which is a minimum 10% higher. Along with receiving a discounted rate at the landfill being a party to the wise agreement also provides a city with a guaranteed access to the landfill thus ensuring the waste generated and collected in the city always has a place to go. This table provides the current rates paid at the gate for any refuse that is imported from outside of Orange County. The county has the option to fill any excess daily capacity in the landfill with imported refuse and the county shares a portion of that revenue with all the Orange County cities. Irvine receives about $800,000 a year from this importation revenue And the county has ongoing negotiations on the future rates for imported waste ongoing as we speak.
In exchange for an exclusive franchise waste handling agreement with waste management, the city receives 10% of waste management's gross receipts collected within Irvine. That's for both commercial and residential customers. The rates paid by those customers include the landfill tipping fee so as the tipping fee increases waste management has to in tandem then increase its collection rates thus yielding higher gross receipts and increase franchise fee revenue to the city. For this current fiscal year the city anticipates receiving $8,100,000 which is expected to increase to just over $10,000,000 next fiscal year as a result of the higher landfill tipping fee. As I mentioned previously the increase in the landfill tipping fee is going to result in increases to waste collection rates, however here in Irvine we're fortunate to have a provision in our franchise agreement with waste management that guarantees our rates are always in the bottom one third of the county.
So what's shown here is a worst case scenario the current residential rate for example is $24.83 without the favored nation's provision that rate would increase to $29.87 under the new wise agreement we don't know at this point what Irvine's new rates will be until all the other cities in Orange County have approved their own wise agreements and their new rates are calculated once make waste management has everyone else's rates they'll be able to identify then the bottom one third and then calculate Irvine's new rates based on that information. If the city council elected not to approve the wise agreement it would have a far reaching impacts on the city's waste collection and handling efforts. In the near term the city would lose guaranteed access to our local landfill here which means our refuse would have to wait in line with all the out of county imported waste haulers each day and we would have to pay a higher much higher gate tipping fee rate. Given the amount of refuse Irvine generates waste management would have to seek out a new landfill to establish guaranteed service which will most likely result in paying much higher tipping fee and of course the trucking costs will increase as well.
So when coupled to the higher tipping fees waste management ultimately have to raise their rates substantially on residential and commercial customers as a result. In terms of next steps the county has requested all cities and sanitation districts approve their respective wise agreements by April 30 and designate their service coordinators by June 1 and by June 30 all the new waste collection rates should be adopted by each city countywide. And that concludes my presentation and be happy to answer any questions you may have.
Thank you for the presentation. Are there questions? No council questions at all? There we are councilmember mye, vice mayor james wye.
You. Either we do it or the city faces a massive increase in costs as non preferred at the landfill. I just had a question on the funds. The funds flow into the general fund. Is that
That is correct, sir.
All right. That was actually just my question right there. Thank you.
And let me ask a question or two. Mr. Estevez, what is the process from here to these new fees finally taking effect?
The fees will take effect officially on July 1. And now that the fee structure has been set, the waste management, everything they can start recalculating what the new rates will be. And then typically we set reset our rates, trash rates, every July 1 as well.
So do you anticipate that's not very far off you anticipate any problems along the way or you expect July 1 the new fees will be in effect
that' our expectation yes.
And this will be generating about $1,900,000 a year additionally to us is that correct?
That' correct.
That's all I have at this time. Is there a motion?
Mr. Mayor, if I may?
There is one member of the public who wishes to speak on
the I'm sorry. I forgot the lateness of the hour. I just assume everybody's tucked in. With that, Mr. Peterson, one request from a citizen to be heard? Correct. One via Zoom. All right. Please call on that person now. Thank you, mayor.
Our speaker is Michelle Johnson. Ms. Johnson, you may unmute your mic.
Thank you, Carl, and thank you, mayor Akron and council members. I'll be brief. I did just have a couple questions. Can the staff indicate where the city of Irvine's trash rates are today in relation to other cities in the county? Like, are we the second lowest or the lowest?
And when will we receive our rates going forward? I noted that in the agreement, the overall total trash tonnage for the entire county is forecast to decline. Is this man is a mandated decline by the state, AB thirteen eighty three, and is there an allocation that has been made between the landfills, Or is that going to be part of the collaborative agreement between OC Waste and the city of Irvine? And then given the emphasis on composting from the state, how can the city of Irvine measure our own resident usage of composting versus reducing residential trash? And how can we increase awareness and usage of organic composting?
I'm trying to get at, is there a benefit that we can gain by using getting our own residents to use more of the composting? I city. Think that's the city. The So I'm trying to see where we are in the timing on the collaborative agreement. Thank you.
Was somebody taking notes? There were about eight questions in there.
I think I have most of them I think in terms of the collaborative agreement that Ms. Johnson is referring to is the cooperative agreement and that is an agreement between the county and the individual host cities that host a landfill so that would be us Brea and San Juan. That agreement still being negotiated we actually just got back some comments from the county late last week and so our teams are meeting this week and next to review those comments and what their revised deal points might be The county has forecasted a decrease in the amount of refuse coming in. I think if you ask colleagues in other cities that that is not going to be the case. We would anticipate that the that over time that the tonnages will increase.
They will maximize it both all three landfills are limited as to how much tonnage they could take in each day by their permits. And they do come pretty close to maxing out those those tonnages on a regular basis so we're not sure at this point if if the amount of refuse going to the landfill is going to be reduced or not a lot of that's going to depend on how much is actually being recycled and to what extent there's a market for recyclables as well so that that drives quite a bit in terms of what gets ultimately deferred from the landfill In terms of the composting we just did a compost giveaway a couple of weeks ago that was highly attended by the community I forgot the total tonnage that we total tons of compost that we gave away but it's all pre bagged and I think there was over 400 cars that showed up to get free mulch so the community does enjoy it in previous cities that I worked at that's been the same case as well the folks residents really enjoy getting that compost taking it home and putting it in their vegetable gardens or in their planting beds and so we do have a robust program here with waste management our sustainability team we do that kind of a program several times a year So, in terms of being able to reclaim that composting material and put it back in our landscapes, that's that's a pretty regular thing that we do.
All right. Were there any other questions that Ms. Johnson asked that need answering?
I think in terms of timing for the co op agreement, I'm hoping to have that before the council for its consideration before this summer. Sooner than that hopefully, but we'll see what what kind of progress we can make with the county in terms of finalizing that agreement and then having the opportunity to share it
with the council for its consideration Luis I think there was an additional question about where our rates stack up oh that's right
You know, we're we're guaranteed to be in the bottom third. I don't know off the top of my head if we're the lowest or second lowest where we're at in relation to the rest of the county. We're it's low. I mean we're guaranteed to be in the bottom third but I can't tell you I could get that information pass it on to the city council tomorrow.
Please do and make that available for the general public as well of course. Anything further?
Mayor, I think Ms. Johnson asked a question that you asked, is when do the new rates take effect?
And, I think it was July 1. July 1. All right.
I think that answers all the questions. I'll, at this point, move action items one and two under 5.1. Is there a second?
I'll second.
I'm sorry I missed who is that? Councilmember Liu seconds the motion. Any further discussion? Will the clerk please call the roll.
Councilmember go? Yes. Councilmember lu? Yes. Councilmember Martinez Franco?
Councilmember truceader? Yes. Vice mayor mi? Yes. Mayor aegren? Yes. Carries six to zero of the members present.
I'll tell you what since 5.2 is listed here is related to 5.1 in some sense. If it could be handled quickly I would suggest we do it right now. Would the clerk please identify item 5.2.
Consideration of a request by councilmember martinez franco to discuss conducting a study on low income solid waste rate assistance program.
All right, I'll recognize you at this time councilmember martinez franco.
Thank you.
Do you actually have a motion that you'd like to put in front of us?
Why don't you do that as part
your statement? Just conclude with a motion. All right. Please go right ahead. Go right ahead.
This proposal is about basic affordability. Trust service is not a luxury. It is an essential public health service. And when the cost of essential services rises, low income households feel it first and hardest. This is the right time to study relief options.
Orange Countywide's transition is increasing disposal cost, and those costs can flow through residents. Evidence showed that well designed assistance reduced hardship now and can produce long term public benefits including higher tax revenue and lower downstream public costs. Other cities have already recognized this need. For example, Menlo Park has a pilot that offers 20% discount on solid waste service to those experiencing financial hardship as well as other cities like Daily cities, San Diego and Whittier among others. Urban has many affordability pressures, but we do not currently have a low income trash rate assistance program like these other cities do.
This memo does not create a new subsidized tonight. It simply ask staff to do the fiscally responsible research study feasibility identify policy options and come back with recommendations. So my motion is the following. I move to direct city staff to conduct a feasibility study evaluating the creation of a low income residential solid waste rate assistance program that could partially or fully subsidize charge service rates for qualifying urban households and return to the city council with findings policy options and implementation recommendations within one hundred and twenty days.
The motion is made. I'll second the motion. We can discuss the motion I just wanted to ask a question in connection with the motion. If the motion is adopted the staff would take a look at existing programs and then possibly an augmentation of those or whatever. I frankly am somewhat ignorant I don' know about all the various programs and know there' a special program for seniors and there are other programs as well.
Presumably, you'd come back to us with information about those existing programs, how we might add something to that, or whatever. Is that correct?
Thank you for the question. Absolutely, if the direction is one hundred and twenty days, we'll return within one hundred and twenty days with an analysis on options, costs, implementation details. We'll come back with all of those sorts of things.
Alright, that's consistent with your intent. Very well. There's a motion before us. Council Member Mai wishes to be heard.
Thank you, Mayor. Given the fact that we are facing some questions that need to be answered about our fiscal situation, I' hesitant to even think about subsidies or subsidizing anything. We're going to have to pay consultants to do a study on this. I just need some more time to think about this. Think that the merits there, but I think I just need a little bit more time on this. Just wanted to make that comment.
All right, Councilmember Martinez Franco.
I want to emphasize the fact that I did a public administration, and you don't need a consultant to do this kind of a study. Just by doing this, We researched four cities that have this kind of program, and we can put an Excel sheet all the cities that have done it. As a matter of fact, Menlo Park, it has implemented a pilot. So, to see if it works. So, you don't need a research. We just need a little few hours here and there from staff. Thank you.
All right. I just want to ask our city manager, you wouldn't need to hire a consultant to do this kind of a study, would you? It'd just be a survey for the most part, wouldn't it not?
I think that staff could do research in terms of comparable programs at other cities. I think we have legal support to ask some questions and could be able to bring back answers. All right.
The motion calls within one hundred and twenty days. The motion's properly before us. With the clerk please call the
roll. Mr. Mayor we do have one request to speak on this item. It looks like they just dropped out so there are no speakers.
Thank you for reminding me however. With that, would the clerk please call the roll.
Councilmember Goh. Yes. Councilmember Liu.
Councilmember Martinez Franco. Councilmember Trusieder.
Vice Mayor Mai. Yes. And Mayor Agram? Yes. Carries six to zero of the members present.
All right. Now we had pledged early on to move up item 5.4, I believe it was, yes. Move up item 5.4 to right now, which would make it, I guess, 5.3. Would the clerk please identify item 5.4 by title and subject we' take that up at this time.
Thank you mayor item 5.4 is consideration of a request by vice mayor mi to discuss direction on public fiscal briefing and immediate cost controls.
All right. This was placed on the agenda by council member or vice mayor James Mai. And I'll call on him now. Do we have staff available here on this? You're available. You're not asking to be heard right now. Is that correct?
We have staff available if the pleasure of the councils to make a presentation.
Council Member Mai, the item is yours. Would you like to hear from staff first or would you like to say a few words first and then we'll turn to staff? What do you suggest?
I' love to say a few words bearer thank you very much.
brought this forward here and the question is why I brought this forward on March 30 we had a briefing a closed door briefing from the city manager potentially alarming us to a $6,000,000 deficit with a potential $45,000,000 deficit forecasted if we do not act. The situation was presented to us a number of solutions were presented to us as well. The problem is straightforward expenditures have been growing faster than revenues. The briefing showed also full time staffing has grown from eight fifty six to eleven oh three over the past five years alongside increases in labor contract equipment supplies and healthcare costs which result in approximately 50% increase from staffing. Staff's own presentation also says that the goal must be structurally balanced for the general fund in the long term.
It also makes clear that the problem, if the problem is not addressed, the deficits will get much worse over the years ahead. I do not believe the right answer is to wait until the choices become harder and more painful. They were already scheduled to be addressed, but I wanted to expedite that because I believe that we need to address it immediately. Acting now gives the council and public more options, not fewer. My explanation is not about locking in one final solution tonight.
This is about making sure we begin a disciplined transparent and public process now. Staff also made clear that reserves should be a last option not a long term strategy. The public deserves to see the options clearly understand the tradeoffs and have a real opportunity to weigh in before major long term decisions are made. That' why I' calling for immediate discipline a full presentation of options and a plan for the public facing workshop. The goal here is simple protect core city services preserve flexibility and deal with the problem before it gets significantly worse.
One of the things that we talked about in that meeting also really alerted me and were concerned concerning to me, and those are some of the solutions. When I was brought forward this situation, my immediate my immediate was what are the solutions presented to us or what are the solutions that we have at hand. Some of the things that were discussed were a citywide tax increase. I will never sign off on a citywide tax increase, especially as the first line of defense. A real estate transaction increase?
No. Business tax increase per employee of $100 how that impacts doesn't sound like much but when you think about it the largest employers in the city are UCI that's 18,000 employees they're going to pay $1,800,000 to have to be in Irvine blizzard entertainment is going to pay up $4.00 2 roughly $1,000 Irvine unified is going to pay 380,000 Edwards will pay $315,000 potentially and those are just a number of them. When we're trying to be the most attractive city to bring companies here, almost every week I'm meeting with new companies. I'm talking to companies, telling them to come to Irvine because we're the most business friendly city in Orange County. At least we're trying to get to that point this will not help this will not help that.
A to t tax increase I don't agree upon that as well. I mean we're going to I'm going to hear from my colleagues also but I would like to make a motion right now just in light of the 03/30/2026 general fund briefing and in order to begin addressing the city's structural general fund imbalance through a public and orderly process I move that the city council direct city staff as follows One, implement an immediate hiring freeze, with exceptions only as necessary to protect core public safety and essential city operations through the council's scheduled public budget discussion on this matter. Two, continue the current pause on nonessential spending with exceptions only necessary to protect core city services and required operations. Three, return to the city council at a public meeting with a report that identifies near term expenditure control options and recommends structural budget solutions for fiscal years twenty twenty five twenty six twenty six twenty twenty seven twenty twenty seven twenty twenty eight and beyond C clearly present the fiscal impact advantages disadvantages and service implications of each major operation including expenditure reductions fee maximization vacancy management use of one time funds use of reserves and potential revenue measures.
D provide recommendations for immediate actions the city council can take to preserve flexibility and protect core city services E, outline a proposed plan for a public facing budget workshop including participation opportunities for residents taxpayers employee associations and other interested stakeholders and finally four present public plan workshop to the city council at the same meeting so the council may consider next steps for transparent public process before major long term fiscal decisions are made.
Second.
There' a motion and a second before us. I' going to suggest that we hear from staff you have some information to impart in terms of what our situation is and I then also want to offer a suggestion in terms of how we handle this it' quarter to eleven. I' particularly sympathetic to the idea of engaging and involving the public in this. This is not the moment to do this at great length, at least tonight. But I'll
to that once we have, I hope, a brief presentation from staff, and then we can discuss the motion a little bit. All right?
Thank you, mayor.
Thank you.
Thank you, members of the council. As the mayor shared, this will be a brief presentation. We are prepared to do a mid cycle budget review. In the future date, it was originally scheduled for June. Vice Mayor Mai's memo to counsel included accelerating that to forty days.
This is more of a high level overview finances, including just kind of the framework for our budget process. So we do have a two year budget, typically towards the end of the year one. In the spring, we analyze our current situation, economic conditions, needs of the council and priorities, as well as the needs and priorities of our operations, to see if there's any sort of adjustments. Obviously, there are challenges that are in our current budget that we need to address, that we're fully prepared in the context of our mid cycle review would be able to address as well, also in the context of a five year forecast. So our mid cycle budget, like I shared, is scheduled for June.
As Vice Mayor Mai's memo stated that he was recommending to move it to be within forty days of the memo. The memo was dated April 2. That would bring us to reviewing the mid cycle budget by May 12. In that mid cycle, as we do typically, we would present our five year outlook along with our current year budget. And in times where it's good, we would provide opportunities for counsel to allocate additional funds.
Of course, right now we're faced with challenges that we brief counsel. And we will be providing additional details at our mid cycle budget review, we would propose adjustments, options for counsel to engage in that would include additional budget balancing measures that we intend to do. So in addition to any sort of the five year outlook that we would be presenting, that we usually present, we would more than happy be able to provide additional information as requested tonight. I think it's important to also understand the economic outlook that we're faced with currently. As you all know, there's been large volatility in the economy, rising inflation, interest rate volatility, geopolitical tensions that have put pressure on our budget, both on the revenue side and also cost to provide service, cost to purchase materials and supplies.
Particularly with Irvine, we're faced with leveling and flattening growth in our sales tax, as well as increased costs, medical costs, costs when we're bidding out for contracts. They're coming in a lot higher double digit percentages. We're also seeing higher cost of materials, construction supplies, as well as our general insurance premiums, workers' comp, and claims expense. So we would be providing, as part of our mid cycle review, options, as I shared, where we're going to have recommendations for counsel consideration to address those deficits. Looking at our current term financial deficits, we do have a $6,000,000 deficit in the current year that we're projecting, as well as a $9,000,000 deficit that we're projecting for next fiscal year, which are 23% of our budget, which we believe are manageable.
In the future years, there's possible projected deficits if we don't make any sort of changes in course corrections, which we will be recommending, again, as part of our mid cycle budget review, to the $37,000,000 increasing future years. We believe this to be conservative, as it doesn't include any sort of revenue measures, as well as it does not include any further cost cutting measures that we fully intend to implement with counsel's direction. And another change in our practices that we've had in the past is that in the past, which has been a longstanding practice, is that we've utilized one time funding, one time funding in the form of development fees, community benefit fees, excess surplus in prior years. And that's been in place since 2017 that we would like to end moving forward, starting in 'twenty seven, 'twenty eight, because we want to structurally balance our budget. In addition, there's been Great Park transfers from the Great Park to the general fund.
And these are to cover operational needs, development cost, as well as overhead for the Great Park. As we've been looking at the Great Park, there's been a lot of work that's been done, good work that's been done in the Great Park. But we've been analyzing our Great Park budget very closely as we're moving forward, as we're adding amenities. And we want to right size our Great Park operating budget in addition to our general fund operating budget. And this is our way of being able to structurally balance not just our general fund, but also our Great Park as well.
So we believe that it's a wise choice to be able to end that practice. And those are incorporated in those numbers. That's why you see an elevated amount there, along with all the economic pressures that we've been facing within the last year or so. So staff will be recommending changes again during our mid cycle budget review. And we'll take any other directions that we're going to receive from you tonight. So that concludes my presentation. And we're more than happy to answer any questions that you may have.
Thank you. Before calling on councilmember mye and others, let me just offer a procedural suggestion. The finance commission is considering the budget May 4. Is that correct?
Yes. We're scheduled to take the mid cycle on May 4.
I would definitely like to get into this in great depth, as suggested in the motion. I think instead of doing it in June, we could do it as early as May 5. That would give the finance commission a chance to be heard. And then if we recall a special meeting for May 5 focusing essentially on this issue that I think comes within the ambit of council member mye's motion which I' happy to talk about back and forth a little bit. Just want to get that procedural piece out if I could.
Does that work for you, by the way, on May 5 date?
That would work for us. We would be prepared to present at that time.
And you do have to go to the finance commission May 4? Correct. Let me say just a few things. Do you know of another city in The United States Of America of any sizable proportions that is in better financial shape than we are?
So I can't make that conclusive answer. But I believe that we are in a good spot, as we do have a sizable reserve. We have approximately $135,000,000 in reserve between our contingency reserve fund and additional reserves available for the city to tap into if there are financial challenges.
All right. I meet regularly with it's called the big city mayors. There are 13 members. We're the smallest in population. I hear from them all the time and of course cities throughout Orange County are experiencing serious pressures way way beyond anything that we' experiencing.
I think the motion is correct it' important to be proactive in these things. It' also important to recognize our pensions are fully funded that is to say the recommended funding level for pensions I understand, is 80% and we're 86%?
Correct. We're at that level.
All right. We have no general obligation debt. Is that correct?
We do not have general obligation debt. We do have a lease revenue bond for AAA that currently has a plan to be repaid with projected proceeds from those in the future years.
Right. I want to get to that. And in our investment portfolio, have $1,200,000,000 roughly?
That is correct.
And that's generating on average, what, 3% now? Something like that?
Yeah. It ranges between two point five percent and three percent.
I think it's important to have that backdrop. As regards the 6,000,000 that to close out this fiscal year in balance. And by the way, the city of Irvine always adopts a balanced budget. We maintain balanced budget policies. We' required by law to do that but we' successfully done it as a matter of policy nevertheless over the years.
I don' t anticipate any deviation whatsoever. As to the $6,000,000 with respect to projections going forward 9,000,000 in the next fiscal year and then escalation beyond that, that does not include accounting for the wise agreement that we just adopted. Is that correct?
It doesn't include the augmentation with the rate changes.
The $2,000,000
Right. Well, we've anticipated some slight increases, but not the majority of it.
All right. So that obviously is more revenue that's going to be coming to us. All right. And you mentioned the Gateway project, which I think a number of us are very, very proud that got rid of that polluter and at the same time through a three way deal involving hundreds of millions of dollars from the Irvine company we were able to establish the gateway preserve the associated development with a projection of well over $100,000,000 in anticipated revenue beginning in roughly 2030 right? 2031.
You don't count that of course in projections because it' not money certain to be in hand. Correct. What I' looking at here too is fees. Building fees, development fees, the kinds of fees that are applied in IBC that will be adjusted as they routinely are here in the city. You did not include upward adjustments of those kinds of fees. Am I correct?
Correct. We did not include the expansion or increases. All right.
So there are lots of moving parts here. And I just don't want the general public to get the view that this is a fiscal crisis or a fiscal emergency. It is neither. It is a time for resolve, study, careful adjustments, and a plan moving forward. I want to get into this in a big big way.
Mindful of all of that I' generally supportive of what this motion provides It's got, in my view, alarmist language in there. I don't want to be imposing a freeze on hiring and this and core programs are protected, but other ones aren't. And I think it's way too early in this process to be imposing a prescription for the difficulties that we're anticipating. I think we ought to do this carefully, thoughtfully. I think the May 5 hearing, the May 5 meeting, I would anticipate that that will be a two or three hour session when we can really do deep dives into all of this.
And we can, at that point, begin to shape appropriate policies. We have until what date to actually adopt the budget going forward?
By the June so the second meeting in June.
We could have a May 5 meeting if we need further meetings beyond that we could I think we have one more meeting in May, which is May 12. There's not to be a meeting after that.
Is that correct? The second meeting in May, I believe, is dark at this time.
That's right. But in June, when is our first meeting in June?
The June. I'm not sure what the date is. June 9.
Okay June 9. And we could always call a special meeting if we wish, or call a meeting at a time and at a place that engages or has a chance to engage the entire public, as Vice Mayor Mai suggested. The business community all the stakeholders obviously the residents and of course we want to be doing some interaction with the finance commission as well. Those are my remarks I apologize to my colleagues for going well beyond five minutes but at least I got out there what I'm thinking. Before I call on you councilmember mi, should we turn to councilmember tresidder first and martinez franco or do you wish to be heard first?
I''ll be very quick mayor.
Go right ahead.
Thank you mayor and thank you dale for the presentation there. I want to make a statement here that this is not to discredit the city in any way I'' very proud of the city. I'm very proud to sit here at this chair here. I'm very proud that we're one of the fastest growing cities in America. I'm proud that we're the safest city in America for our size.
And I'm proud that we, what I believed, were fiscally strong. But when I hear about a sales tax increase, when I hear about a real estate transaction tax, when I hear about a business tax, when I hear about a TOT tax, I do not believe we should ever penalize citizens for our management or mismanagement of money in the city. I don't believe in these items. I don't believe that they should be referenced in any form of budgeting or having a meeting where let's raise taxes in order to fix the situation or to get ahead of it. That should be the last thing that we should think about.
There's other solutions. So I hope that you take that in consideration. Because when it comes back, we're going to have the same discussion again. Thanks.
Councilmember Terceder.
Thank you.
Yeah I agree with the vice mayor that we need to take a very sober look at the budget. Be as objective as we can be. The end of the day the numbers don't lie. Do math. And I I first of all, I wanna say first of wanna say, first of all, that that is the hot seat right there.
The other day, one of my staff members was here after hours, and we're like, let's just sit in that seat and see what it's like to be looking up at all of us. And it is not easy. So thank you for doing this. I want to thank our city manager, Mr. Crumby, for bringing this forward, for briefing us on this, and also for suggesting some really, I think, important changes in our practices going forward with budgeting.
For instance, I agree with him entirely that we should stop doing the Great Park subsidy, where we take money from the Great Park funds and put it into the general funds. I also agree with making sure that we're not relying on one time funds for recurring expenses. So one time funds are like grants or things that we just expect like a one time injection of like for instance COVID funds. I also appreciate that he has even before this worked with the staff to try to make the staff as efficient as possible to reduce staffing expenditures. And this is something that Mr.
Crumby has been in conversation with me at least now for a year or so. And so it was not a surprise to me that we are running short on our budget. And this is one of the reasons why, you know, many times this past year when something's come up and I'm not sure we have the money for it, I'll say, no, I'm not sure this is the best way to spend the money. So we need to
very careful in the future. Now that being said, I was alarmed. I was briefed on March 31 about the most recent projections. And so just to go over it again, the projection for 2025, 2026 is a $6,000,000 deficit. 2026 to 2027 is a $9,000,000 deficit.
The next year, though, it jumps up to 37,000,000. After that 44,000,000, after that 47,000,000. Now that I think we need to be very serious about. And again I appreciate that we're getting heads up so that we can make some adjustments before we get to that point. But at the same time, that two years from now is going to come up really fast.
And so we do need to be making some changes going forward. And so I agree with the vice mayor that it was important for us to have this discussion right now, especially since it looks like the staff are already going forward with laying the groundwork for more taxes. Now and I'm not as anti tax as the vice mayor I think you know if we were to ask the public would you be willing to raise taxes a little bit to pay for the main library or, you know, something that clearly the public would really want as like a one off. And we asked them, and they said yes, then that is fine. But if we're gonna ask them to do that because we've messed up somehow, I I can't in good conscience ask for that.
They these folks work hard for their money. Not everybody is well off in Irvine despite what we may think. And so I just want to ask a few questions because I do, I do want to understand how we got to this point, and it's not because I want to be, you know, blaming anybody, I just want to understand how we got here so we can be sure to fix it going forward. And so I just want to say, oh, first of I just want to know how much Great Park funds was injected into the general fund?
Thanks for the question, Councilman Richard Cedar. So since 2019 we transferred approximately $27,000,000 through 2025
okay since 2019 since twenty nineteen nineteen okay. Do you know who started that?
I'm not sure who was in administration that was in place during that time. It was John Russo.
Okay, have the Great Park residents in any time been aware that this has been going on?
Excuse me?
The Great Park residents, have they been informed?
I wasn't here during that time, so I'm not sure. It was included in our budget.
Mr. Crumpy, sorry. Have the Great Park residents been informed, at least the time you've been here?
I'm not aware.
Okay. All right. My time is up, but I'll come back. Thank you.
Councilmember Cecilia, might I suggest if you have more questions, you can ask them now. Would you like to continue?
That's kind of you, but I have, I think, a lot more. So I'm happy to take questions.
We'll wait another round. All right. Council Member Martinez Franco.
Thank you. And thank you for all the hard work that you always do with the budget. I know these are projections because you still don't have a balanced budget right now. And you don't have, for example, all the sales taxes that come at the end of the year. So literally you can just do projections. But is this your first time ever in the history of Irvine that you know that you have these projections of deficits?
No. From our look back historical information and forecast that five year projections, there has been deficits were presented to counsel and also the community. And adjustments were needed to be made. I believe it was back in '20 what was it, 2020, 2019? In addition, during COVID, there was projected deficits during that time as well. Okay.
And we were able to recover, right? Of course, we received the COVID money and probably that helped.
Correct.
Have you ever, in these projections, because these are projections, have you taken in consideration the tourism and sales tax possibly from the upcoming sports events that we can bring to the city?
So we usually look at many factors, right? We take a look at each of our revenue sources, sales tax. We have sales tax consultants that provide us with reasonable estimates of future sales tax. So we base it off of the information that they give us. It doesn't take into consideration if there's going to be a spike for an event.
Typically, there's looking at the Southern California economy, what they see historically, they give us a reasonable amount to include in our projections. But as far as individual events, it doesn't include that.
So there is a possibility that we can even receive more money from visitors?
That's correct. I believe that the numbers that we get are somewhat conservative in nature because we don't want to get ahead of ourselves with our spending. So possibly we could get more.
Okay. Thank you so much. And about the tax, I would like to see even TOT. That doesn't really affect our citizens. It's visitors that we can take advantage mostly. Right now that the sports are coming, I don't know if we can get anything ready on the ballot for the visitors for the next upcoming events. But a TOT will be the perfect solution. We have the lowest TOT around and that doesn't affect our citizens. With that, we'll just say that's it.
Thank you, Councilmember Martinez Franco, Councilmember Liu, then Councilmember Goh.
Thank you mayor. First thank you for alarming us. I've had many briefings by you being on finance cabinet and commission. Thank you for doing this I know you' always looking out for us and we have been recognized for our budget and our finances as a city so I feel pretty confident. Obviously, there's been I believe we had a briefing before or presentation before at one of the council meetings on how we had some unexpected well, shortfall in our revenue.
And, obviously, some of the things are out of our control. And I agree that we probably should get ahead of it. And so one of my questions is, what is our current tax rate for City Of Irvine for sales tax?
Our current sales tax is 7.75%, 1%. That's taxed on goods. It comes to
the city. And so in our case, I believe our biggest revenue source is property tax?
Correct. Sales And tax is second. And sales tax is subject to volatility, depending on the economy. So it being our second largest revenue source, definitely we have to respond when there's a downturn there.
Right. Can you kind of give us a rough estimate I mean, a rough idea of what the percentage Sure.
So for property tax, it's around 33%, 30% plus. Sales tax is just under that. So we receive about $100,000,000 in property tax, plus, a little bit plus. And then our sales tax is around 95%, 97%, around there.
Can you remind me, because I remember back in 'twenty four when I was on finance commission, we had a discussion about whether we should draw down on our reserve and not save as a bunch of what is our current reserve rate?
Right now our current reserve rate is 23% I believe 23%.
23% and what is the recommended number?
20% with the ready reserve up to 25%.
Can I just interrupt on that for a moment? I thought the recommended rate is 16%.
You're correct. I'm sorry. The 20% is based on our policy. The recommended based on GFOA best practices is two months, which equates to 16.7%.
Thank you. Excuse me. Yes.
No, no. That was absolutely right. And I can see that our finance commission chair is right here in the audience so he remembered that as well. I' so glad that we decided not to draw down on the reserve at that point in time when we were still flushing money. Obviously we' going to look into cutting back on expenses and raising revenues but my only concern is if we don' explore all the options are we shortchanging ourselves?
Or if we don't do any study, are we making decisions not based on data? And that will be my only concern to my colleagues. And that is something that we would seriously have to consider when we review the budget. Thank you in general and I look forward to a more detailed presentation. You.
Thank you councilmember lu councilmember go.
Thank you mayor. Just a few questions on the Great Park transfers. As we all know we' in full construction now. I understand in the past there hasn' been as much activity we had this luxury of being able to balance out the budget funds to cost allocate some of the costs there. I just want to make sure moving forward that if we do continue to do any type of transfer that we have a detailed cost segregation so that we have a better understanding on how we're allocating certain fees that pays for the Great Park to the general fund, vice versa.
As you know, it's not just left pocket to the right pocket, because 10,500 homes there pay specifically those taxes. And if it gets allocated outside that region, we'd like to get a better understanding of why and justifications surrounding it. And I know you guys have addressed that moving forward that you do plan to make sure that's balanced out.
Councilor Member Gullo, if I might, just one quick comment. Yes, great idea. We're working on that justification, as you asked for. Can we just offer one quick clarification, Dale, or two? The transfer did not involve CFD funds.
That is correct. So we do receive other sources of revenue from the park, such as program fees, event fees in that area as part of the operation. So the transfer amount is less than the amount that we receive in unrestricted funds, and it's not CFD funding.
And just to clarify. My second point of clarification, the number you threw out doesn't include this year, correct? Could you clarify? The $27,000,000 you threw out?
Correct. Doesn't include this current It doesn't include this year. Right.
Yeah, understood. I definitely appreciate that. So, and then moving forward to just another piece of justification. Although it's not CFD funds, other residents outside of the Great Park are obviously free to use the park and even outside the city and the county. That' why it makes I apologize it makes cost segregation very difficult in that sense that how do you really allocate certain cost measures over the other when the usage is not really well defined as well.
So I commend you guys, and it's a tough job. And also, moving forward, if we do have to implement any kind of budget cost reduction or any means like that, I don't want to be selfish. I want to make sure it applies to our counsel offices as well and not just everyone else. I just want to make sure we all do our part at this and not just you guys. Thank you.
Thank you councilmember go. Councilmember truce heater.
Thank you very much. I see from looking at the queue that a number of your people are here in person and online to speak would you like to go to public comment next I'm happy to wait until after that.
I' be happy to do that as I understand it we have eight is that correct?
We have nine.
Nine in the queue any of them here?
We have three in person in the restaurant zoom.
Let' get started then. Please those coming forward try to limit your remarks to two minutes so we can move along okay we also need to ask ourselves whether we' prepared to stay until midnight. Anybody have an objection to that? There being no objection we will soldier on here. Go right ahead Mr. Peterson.
Thank you mayor. If I could call forward Jay Bruce, Don Geller, and Darren Parker. And we'll start with Mr. Bruce.
Welcome.
Hello, city council members. I just want to say this is a good thing we're doing. I support this idea for an expedited mid cycle budget review just given kind of unexpected budget downfall. But I do think that a hiring freeze has been reactionary. It's true that salaries take up, of course, a lot of the city budget, but not all hiring that the city is doing is long term.
A lot of programs in the city, like youth programming especially, and the Warner Irvine workforce require continuously hiring, for example, like one year workers, staff, often high schoolers, that won't take up long term salaries. And youth programmer, for example, relies on one year high school YAT staff to oversee volunteer programs and youth programming. Not just that, Vice Mayor Mai, your own summer high school interns will be out of a job with this hiring freeze. That goes for the entire city council, all of your summer interns. Just think budgets are complicated, and taking some money out of HR isn't going to fix this larger issue it takes time and I think we should address responses in a larger mid cycle budget review where we can look at other expenditures For example, vice mayor of your $150,000 citywide american flag proposal, could look at cutting down there.
I appreciate your stance on surveys, we spent $38,500 on an irvine connect survey at your request. These sorts of things these being the city council has been spending so much money with the understanding that we have a healthy financial forecast and I think we can look at all these expenditures that we've approved in the past to look at how to respond to this instead of looking at HR specifically.
You. You Mr. Keller.
Good evening mayor vice mayor council members. I' here representing the finance commission and the chair. The commission' looking forward to taking this detailed and sober look at the budget at our May 5 meeting. We look forward to that and our input is going to be valuable for the staff and the counsel. In the brief period here, I just want to make a couple of points.
We are very lucky to have such a competent and experienced staff in the administrative services. I just want to remind the counsel that Director Bullison, with his budget geniuses Jonathan and Serena, they're second to none, and they can be relied upon to always show us accurate financial information. Sometimes those reports show a surplus, and other times we see a deficit. Sometimes when we have the surplus we add that surplus to our reserves. And when we have a deficit there is an option to pull from that account also.
The most important takeaway is that you can rely on our financial statements accuracy so that any corrective action is based is backed up with the right information produced by a very competent department. Think that's really important. That leads into my other important point and if you would indulge me for just one more minute, the underuse of the finance commission. You know that I have been speaking at council meetings many times to encourage BERNANKE: the
use of the Finance Commission more. We can do the deep dives necessary
Thank and
work with staff
you. Just to finish this thought. The Finance Commission, we can do the deep dives and work with staff to make recommendations and set priorities and bring these results back to the council. In the past, council members have heeded the commission's good advice, saving the city millions of dollars. These suggestions are not to thwart great ideas by council members, but to make sure all our limited resources are used most efficiently and effectively.
The seven finance commissions all have commissioners. We all have excellent backgrounds concerning money matters, and we are ready, willing, and able to spend the necessary time and do the detailed work to suggest best practices fiscal recommendations to the council please take advantage of our collective wisdom so we can work with our wonderful staff to help maintain a balanced budget thank you and good evening.
Thank you for your comments and I think you've got your work cut out for you on May 4.
Daren parker. I want to express my appreciation to councilman my Vice Mayor Mai for being so open and transparent about this over these last days and bringing us to the forefront. This is something Irvine's really been traditionally pretty well run. And I appreciate what everybody said. Everybody's had a little bit different input. You all kind of have different takes on this, it seems like. But one thing you all seem to agree on is that this is a chance for a course correction of one degree or another. And the sooner the better. Thank you.
Thank you.
Our next speaker is Harvey Liss. Harvey, you may unmute your mic.
Hi. I'm Harvey Lissa, longtime resident of the village of Woodbridge in '76. Now the easiest way for the city of Irvine and its ratepayers to both save millions of dollars and help the environment is to immediately opt out of OCPA and move to SCE. Twenty years ago, renewably generated electric energy was more expensive than fossil fuel generated energy. So then, the investor owned utilities like SCE purchased fossil fuel generated power rather than renewably generated power because it was cheaper.
Then the only way for environmentally concerned ratepayers to reduce their contribution to global warming was to subscribe to a community choice aggregator like OCPA that purchased then the more expensive, renewably generated energy. And its do gooder subscribers happily paid the higher bill to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. What has totally changed is that renewably generated electric power is now, and has been for the last few years, much cheaper than fossil fuel generated electric power. So the investor owned utilities like SCE purchase as much renewably generated power as they can buy and actually get on the grid, saturating the grid with renewable generated energy during the day when the sun is shining. And SCE, with their in house energy buyers, with many years of experience, strong motivation to be as profitable as possible with their investors, and with their huge purchasing power, they overwhelm CCAs like OCP that can never compete.
SCE cannot now enroll new subscribers into the 1500% tiers of renewables, thus more renewable generated power contracts that can be put on the daytime bid are just not available. So how can OCPA enroll subscribers in the higher tiers? Answer is they cannot. I should remind everyone that OCPA can claim anything they want, but their officially filed power content label shows that OCPA's greenhouse gas emissions are over 80% higher than SCE's at base choice and at a higher cost.
Thank you. Your time is up. Our next speaker is telephone number 347. 347, you may unmute your mic.
Yes, this is Steve Bach. Harvey Lipps, you took the words right out of my mouth. You said it really well. However, I just want to add, the OCPA has had financial problems for a long time. And James Bond coming forward now about the city yet, she doesn't say anything about the OCPA, neither did Kathleen Truceder either back then. She couldn't even deal with them. She didn't know how to get her questions even answered from the OCPA. And they walked all over her. And they're apparently walking all over James Mye too. You guys are ridiculous.
You can't even our city is paying so much more in our utility bills and you don't seem to care. You just don't seem to care. And let alone the ratepayers, you're making them pay more too. It's a fact that ratepayers are paying $30 more a month for their electricity bill than they are if they would stay with Southern California Edison. And we're still in that fraudulent program, I'll never know. By the way, did we ever get our money back that they owed us? Still don't know about that either. We're not getting much information on the OCPA. It's been pretty quiet these days. I wonder why.
Also, Peter, I do not want to have my taxes raised, especially for a library that we are not in need of. And also, I'm glad you don't want to blame people, yet you want to ask who is on counsel at the time. Unbelievable. Blame, blame, blame. That's what you do. You do that quite well too. That's it. Thank you.
Our next speaker is Mona. Mona, you may unmute your mic.
My god, all of these things are happening so late at night. Can't keep up with this stuff. I don't know. You know, it comes down to you guys have not been fiscally responsible. When we talk about $250,000 on flags, for example, and that was James, your thing, which also is going to need, you know, work on who's gonna put them up, maintenance, blah blah blah, it's gonna cost more.
Did you think that that was fiscally responsible? Or it's just the idea? When it came to OCPA, when they were paying us back, when you were the money wasn't even in the account. You guys were jumping on it. Kathleen, you're part of it. William, you're part of it. And James, you're part of it. You could not wait the money wasn't even in back to us. And you went after it, and you want to do this and you want to do that. Again, I'm not gonna look back to other counsel.
I'm gonna look at you guys and your spending. Because at one point, James, you wanted about what? $700,000 in fireworks? I'm glad you took it back. I know you did. But this is this is this is where it's ridiculous. So, yes, the finance committee has asked you multiple times to bring things up to them. Do that. Be responsible. But you are being irresponsible. And James for you to bring it up, that was really cute. Anyway, good night.
Our next speaker is Michelle Johnson. Michelle, you may unmute your mic.
Mayor and council members, leadership is defined as the art of motivating, empowering, and guiding a team toward a shared goal. The memo that was put forward by vice mayor Mai vaguely outlined a dire financial situation without any context for the general public. It was leaked to the press where the public had to figure out what was going on with the city without any information. I just sat here and listened to what Dale had to say with macro numbers that I had no idea what he was talking about. I really think we need to go back here and let the city manager prepare his budget presentation.
It should go through the normal channels of review through our commissions. The commission process also gives the public an opportunity to learn and understand the budget and provide their own thoughts on solutions and priorities. And any shortfall should be clearly defined and quantified, and the city manager should make his own recommendation on how to address it. That's his job. The city survived the bankruptcy in Orange County when we lost $30,000,000 in an investment account.
I can think of several items that could raise $400,000,000 for this city in six months. To panic the public the way this was done is really incredible. I can't believe that our city was put in this position by public officials that were elected. It's really disgraceful. We should take a more measured approach. We should take the time to explain to the public in a clear eyed manner what the hell is going on at the city and how it's gonna be addressed. This is not a panic situation. You guys need to come together and and come up with a solution. And Sean needs to lead it. He's the city manager.
You guys approved him. You hired him.
I will.
Thank you. Your time is up. Our next speaker is Eric Nashanian. Mr. Nashanian, you may unmute your mic.
Thank you, council members. I second what Michelle Johnson says and several other citizens. I just wanna say this is not only reactionary, it's political. It goes exactly against what James Meyer was saying about putting people before politics. If it was really about people before politics, there wouldn't have been a link to the media, and this would have been carried through the ordinary channels and gone through the finance commission.
And if there was a problem, then mayor Agram could have called a special meeting. You just jumped ahead of mayor Agram to try to take over control of the agenda. As far as transparency, when councilmember Goh and councilmember May were on the OCPA board, we were getting our reports from Vicki Johnson, Michelle Johnson, and I think there may have been one other Johnson, but there was a a male individual. And they were the ones that were actually informing the the the citizens about what was going on at the OCPA. Not James our our our goal.
And then, of course, I got beat to the punch too by Mona with regard to the $7,000,000 that was coming back where James Mai was trying to spend it and Fred Tresedo was trying to spend it before he even got here when it should have gone to the general fund. The great partner's upside down. You guys didn't panic about that. Why are we panic about panicking about this? As far as discipline, James Mike can't even pay his corporate taxes or his entity taxes. And if you look at the records, they're FTP canceled. They get suspended, and he has to create a new organization. How many Bristol and base organizations is he created? The same thing goes on with his charities. This is obnoxious.
What are you guys doing? This should've just gone to the finance commission on May 4, and if there's a problem, maybe you're gonna have done something. This is not his first rodeo. It certainly is my first rodeo, and he can't stay on the ball. Just look at fourth of July. Not only did he cause a financial fiasco, he put our our plea
Thank you. Your time is up. Our next speaker is Tiffany M. Tiffany, you may unmute your mic.
Good evening. I'm Tiffany from Woodford. First of all, thank you all for working so late. I just wanted to call as a regular community member. I find $4,000,000 seems like a lot, and to hear some folks treat it as if it's so small and irrelevant is really shocking for people like me that work really hard.
And to hear the suggestion of increasing taxes is really something that is worrisome. As a single parent, I work really hard serving our community and caring for my child and with inflation and things already so costly in the city, the thought of more taxes doesn't sit right with me, and I know many of my neighbors. I also hope that if we are going to move forward with looking at how we're spending money, we maybe revisit the discretion our city managers have. I'm sure mister Krabi is fantastic, but looking at our last city manager who spent 700,000 on a gondola to nowhere, who cost us a million dollars on a property that didn't that just seems like a lot of money down the drain. And last comment is I don't think moving to SCE is the right move to save money, but they're giving their executives a ton of bonuses and extra despite eating fire and debts and not reinvesting in the community.
So I'd prefer us to try to lobby more to come to OCPA like the Irvine Water District who cited part of the reason for our raises was because of increases in s and e. Thank you all again for making these meetings accessible and I appreciate your time.
Mr. Mayor there are three additional speakers in the queue. I'll defer to you.
Why don't we take them but close the queue?
Will do. Thank you. Our next speaker is telephone number 401. 401, you may unmute your mic.
Good evening councilmembers, Allen Meyers. I'm not sure why I was put on ninety seconds. Was in the queue before. But anyway, I'm curious because both Kathleen Trusieder and Vice Mayor Mai said that they were informed about this. And I don't know who they were informed by. I don't know it was the city manager. But if it was the city manager, I'd like to know if everybody else on the council was informed also. I'd like to know why I found out about this by reading an article online. And I also agree with a lot of the other callers saying that, by the way, you sound panicked about this whole thing. Budgets aren't always held to.
Things come up. You may have a vacation plan, but you get an unexpected medical bill or an unexpected car bill, and you have to cancel your vacation. Things happen. And you adjust the budget, and you fix it. This this I've been in this city for forty years, and one thing that this city does, it's very financially responsible. They have good people running the city with money. And I have no doubts that this will be fixed. It will be fixed like it was in the past when there was problems. It will be fixed again. I'm not sure what's happened to you since you got elected, but you're not the same person that was elected initially.
I think the person sitting next to you has kind of polluted your mind. That's my opinion. But it seems to be kind of accurate. But I really would like the question answered about was the whole council informed of this or was it just Councilmember Tracier and Vice Mayor Mai? Thank you.
Our next speaker is Alfredo. Alfredo, you may unmute your mic.
Hey, how's it going? So I know everybody's laying and everybody's tired, but just very quickly, I'm just concerned over the writing and the memo that was written by the vice mayor. And it looks flawed, and it looks like it was not consulted beforehand. This immediate hiring freeze really is of reactionary and, for me, politically view, as well as there's no context as to why this memo is being written. And as echoing mister Meyerson on really good points, it's it's it's really just flawed and and reactionary, vice mayor, especially how he wanted to do the July for this year.
You did it last year and the flag initiative. Plus, it will impact no hiring right now, so I would really consider looking beyond that. And, you know, there's families that are employed, just parents that are employed by the city of Irvine and really look into it.
Our next speaker is Vicki Johnson. Vicki, you may unmute your mic.
Good evening, City Council and Bear Acre. Irvine could save at least 500,000 per year by my estimate by withdrawing Irvine's municipal electricity accounts from the Orange County Power Authority and returning to SCE. For example, the October 2025 Irvine municipal electricity bill was about $350,000 could have been saved on just that one month if the city was getting its electricity from SCE, and OCP's pricing is higher now. With the war on Iran, many adverse effects on cities are anticipated. Higher energy costs, inflation, adverse impacts on business, volatility in financial markets, and higher interest rates.
Be very cautious and conservative right now. Because of the war on Iran, OCPA will likely experience much more volatility, putting Irvine at greater risk. OCPA is already under risk, having burnt through 45,000,000 in reserves and a projected loss of 4,000,000 for this fiscal year. And it's announced a cost structure for 2027 that will likely cost Irvine much more than SCE. So withdrawing these accounts from OCPA will likely save money and be less risky for her life. Thank you.
And that is all Mr. Mayor.
Thank you. Thank you to those who offered comments. I see here councilmember Tresidder wishes to be heard and and councilmember lu and let' see if we can wrap this up and maybe go on to one or two other items before midnight. Councilmember treseder.
Thank you. I really appreciate the comments from the mayor's people and I just wanted to check on one thing though. The financial commissioner chair geller he said he was here representing the commission and was there a vote that the commission took to ask him to make those statements? Does anybody know?
There wasn't a vote.
Okay. All right. Thanks. I think that there's some pretty strict requirements for when commissioners come and say that they're representing the commission. I believe that one of them is that the commission that they have to represent a commission's vote. And so I yeah, I just want to take what he says with a grain of salt there. Okay. So, let's see. Well, so again, once again, really appreciate y'all bringing this forward. Very interested in the projections.
I wanna do a little dive into when this came to us and why. What was the timeline? So I was briefed on March 31, and I wanted to ask our city manager, Mr. Crombie, when did you become aware of those projections, the ones that are like 30,000,000 to 47,000,000 in the future?
So, the timeline for how that evolved was that it began in January with briefings from Mr. Poulissant to myself regarding sales tax projections and potential troubles in terms of meeting projections on sales tax. After receiving those concerns from Mr. Bulasson, the council was briefed shortly after, specifically related to sales tax concerns. But it also began a process where Mr.
Bulosan and I began discussing details of the budget. Some of the concerns that we have really came to light in the month of February. Mr. Bulosan went through some of the trends that recently have been contributing to that. So it was fortuitous the timing of those conversations. In March began discussions, first with the mayor and then with the council on March 3031.
Okay. And then, yeah, thank you. I just want to follow-up. When do you briefed the mayor?
That would have been there was a briefing. There was a discussion about potential revenue ideas before continuing with the rest of the council. The staff did work in terms of research on various tax measures and ideas and then went to the council. I'm sorry for the long answer. That was probably a period of about two weeks.
Okay. So, you briefed the mayor two weeks before the rest of us. And, between then and telling the rest of us, you researched ways to move forward with taxes?
We researched options. That's correct.
Okay. Was there a reason that you didn't brief the rest of us either, you know, at the same time as the mayor or soon after, or even before. I'm not sure why the mayor gets primacy here.
was my fault with that. Just wanted to be prepared with all of that information. We'll ensure that that doesn't happen again. Okay.
Thank you. And, did anybody tell you not to tell the rest of us, the other council members, this?
There was no prohibition or anything.
Okay. And then you contacted the firms to do the polling on the taxes before you briefed the rest of us?
We researched appropriate firms that specialize in these types of pollings. And, we solicited proposals from three firms. No contracts were executed.
Okay. And then, who asked you to do the polling?
That was part of the conversations that started with the mayor.
With the mayor. Okay. Then I noticed in the briefing deck that you gave me anyway, one of the slides said solutions going forward. And the solutions that were all recommended I can see they make a ton of sense so it said fiscal year twenty twenty seven twenty eight options the first bullet point was increased revenue maximize user fees and develop mint fees and the second bullet point was implement tax measure need council and voters to approve and after that it was reduced expenditures and the third one is bridge budget shortfall with reserves or one times The last one was a combination of all three use of reserves last option. I just wanted to ask the first bullet point being increased revenue was there a reason that was above reduced expenditures?
That was with conversations with the mayor.
The mayor? So, the mayor wanted us to see increased revenue as the first bullet point when you briefed us?
That was in, yes.
Okay.
All right. I am out of time, so I will come back.
I'm going to call on myself at this time. I want to correct the record on a few things. If I heard Mr. Geller correctly, he came forward and identified himself as chair of the finance commission. He did not say he was speaking for the finance commission.
Well, can review the tape. This will be yet one more false accusation. I'm confident of that. Next, there's no secret here as to what is going on. I don't know about the rest of you, but I interact with the city manager five to 10 times a week.
I ask questions of him. I ask questions of our department heads. I've had a number of gatherings with our finance staff here, and I look at all the quarterly reports, I check the trends, I get their advice, their suggestions, where are we headed, what might we do. All of you are enabled to have access to the city manager anytime regarding these matters. Anytime.
I'm sure you know that. There's no secret relationship here. Maybe I just pay a little more attention than some of you on these matters. Let me also say that with respect to revenue, I don't know if you know but we raise more revenue by lifting the cap on the b u u t, the business utility users tax. I think it was this council that actually did it wasn't it? When was the cap raised?
Yes, is correct.
And that generated several million dollars from business. It didn't have to go to the ballot because it was just raising a cap. Anything that has to go to the ballot by way of revenue raising has to do it pursuant to state law which requires a two thirds majority here to put something on the ballot. And it requires a vote of the people. A vote of the people.
And, it has to be at a regular city election. Is that correct? Or, a statewide general election?
That's correct.
But not a primary?
It has to be at a statewide general.
Statewide general. You can't hold a special election to raise taxes. It's got to be part of a statewide general. That means if there's any consideration whatsoever to be given to raising revenue through business taxes or other taxes, and by the way, some of those listed I find objectionable, others I'm more open to, and so forth. That has to be done by November year.
It would have to be put on the ballot by July year would be, I think, the last date that we could get it on the ballot. And there wouldn't be another opportunity until 2028. That's why call me cautious. Call me focused on these things. But if you're going to keep options open, you can't be stupid about it.
You've got to explore those options in a timely manner. So this notion that there's some secret cabal going on is just a bunch of crap. And the people of the city need to know that. I know this is an election year, a lot of performative politics, but the people of this city need to know their finances are handled carefully, and yes, we do try to anticipate problems and solutions, and we've done so for many, many years very, very successfully. I have no doubt we'll continue to do so.
I would encourage each and every one of you to call upon Dale and Jonathan and our city manager at any time to ask them what they know, what they think. When it comes to matters of projections, by the way, it's educated guesses with what's going on right now in The Mideast and with what's going on in terms of these idiotic tariffs and all that business and possible how many times have I asked you? Have you calculated the possibility of a moderate recession? Cause I think we're headed into one. These are things we talk about every day.
And yes, we should talk about them with the public, but in an orderly way, not in a performative political way. Councilmember Liu.
Thank you. I think after hearing some of the comments I think I agree with Ms. Johnson about having a measured approach, It's really a matter of allocation of funds after hearing what people are saying that we are looking at some of the things that we spend in. My general feeling is whether this is something that will invest in the future of this city rather than just the one time expense. One thing that I want to and I appreciate Chair Galler's comment about Finance Commission.
I know you have an accounting background, so does vice chair. And my appointee, my commissioner, is also a financial expert. So I have full faith in you to come up with good recommendations. My one ask is that we are in the process of studying our competitiveness. In general, just keep that in mind.
I appreciate Councilmember Martinez Franco clarifying that TOT is on tourists, people who are staying in our hotels. But at the same time, whether we're thinking about raising sales tax or raising TOT, I would like to have it in mind that we don't also want to charge to the point that we are not being competitive. So that will be something that I would hope that we all remember that when we're considering how much. And one question is, what is our current TOT rate?
That's currently at 8%.
At 8%. And what is our closest competitor, say Anaheim?
Anaheim is 14%. 14%?
Okay. So it sounds like we do have some room to grow. But just so we're not going to like work ourselves out of being in the competition. So, that will be something that I would like you to consider when you make recommendations. Thank you.
Thank you, Councilmember Liu, councilmember mye, and then councilmember trecedar.
Thank you
mayor. Thank you for all the comments, public comments, and thank you for the clarification Dale and Sean again. You know when we voted on the budget at the beginning of last year, we were told that it was a balanced budget and we had a surplus. If we knew what position we were in as a city, certainly I don't think any of us would have been pushing for more spending studies. Certainly we would have been spending $700,000 or whatever the exorbitant amount for the gondola was.
And I would have pulled back a lot of the things that I proposed myself if we knew the situation we were in. We would have tightened the ship that's what businesses do and for to water this down is not is not something we should do up here we should talk about it transparently and we should address it with solutions that make sense. If we weren't in a dire situation, why was polling done? Why was polling done in the first place? Why were there four options to raise taxes?
And why wasn't that discussed with the other council members? Those that those tax solutions those solutions you had, you had those in hand, but you did not talk to any other city council members. You executed on that, and you contacted three different polling firms. And I knew this because those polling firms contacted me and I said what is going on you've been contacted almost a month already without us being aware of that that should be council action that should come to us and we should make the decision as together here we have the same exact power we all have a voice we all have a vote here there were some things that the mayor is privileged to but we hold the same vote I think that was inappropriate and I'm going to ask you directly city manager at any point in time were you told to withhold information from other council members?
The conversation centered about around being prepared in the conversations with other council members.
That's not my question. My question is were you asked to withhold information?
That's not the same thing as being asked to withhold information.
If you don't want to answer that, that's fine.
And there was no contracts ever executed. There was proposals solicited.
I would like to see the context of those proposals.
Absolutely. Happy to provide them.
Are you done? Sorry I'm done.
Councilmember Trusieder then councilmember Martinez Franco.
Thank you. Okay. I agree with the vice mayor. If I had known about these projections even back in January, I would have made different votes. I would have made different arguments up here.
Definitely, if I had known about it last year at this time, I would have done a lot of things differently. I'm glad that I know about it now so that we can correct course right now. But I do wish that I had known about this earlier to be sure. The polling option, see in the slide deck that it's estimated to cost about $50,000 I think given that, it would have been at least courteous to give all of us a phone call to ask if this was okay, especially if the poll was going to go out and our residents were going to get polls about raising taxes maybe before we even knew about it. And I also just want to say I feel very uncomfortable with the thought that I'm being managed indirectly by the mayor, what I hear and how I hear it.
I object to that greatly. Again, we are all equals up here. That is this form of government. It's in the charter. We have an equal vote. The mayor does have some he gets to run the meetings. He has that authority. He gets to do some ceremonial things like ribbon cuttings and things like that. But in terms of getting information from the city manager, the staff, he does not get primacy there. And I and I don't wanna really blame mister Crumby too much because I have a sense of what it must be like for him.
But I just wanna say I don't like it. And, okay, so I have some more things. Mr. Crumby, Mr. Dale, you're off the hook. I'm not going to ask you any more questions, so you can breathe easy. I just want to talk a little bit about Oliver Chi. So Oliver Chi was the city manager before this and he left the city I think July. And he was the city manager when I came on to the council. Now, it became very clear to me when I came on that Oliver was was very happy to spend money.
And no matter what I suggested, said, no problem. We'll find the money for it. No problem. Anything else suggested no problem just to give you an example two years ago we had to do a renovation of our 3rd Floor offices that''s where the council member offices are and the idea was that we were it was too crowded there so we need to to get everything and then put in new cubicles and things like that that took a little while it was done and we moved back in and then before the new council came on board that had to be gutted again and rearranged for the seven members that's okay but then shortly after the new members arrived I think everybody came in around December I think I was hearing about it January February of that year all mr. Qi was telling me we need to redo everything again He brought out some plans where each of our offices would have our own access to the balcony, and it would all be private entrances so that we wouldn't be talking to each other.
And he said that we had to do that because the other offices were not getting along. They were fighting. And I said no. I we just went through two renovations. I'm not gonna do this again.
And then I found out, you know, we talked to the other staff members to find out what was going on there, and turns out they were not fighting. And in fact, they heard from Mr. Chi that my staff and I had asked for the change, the renovation in the offices. If you look at the parking lot, the parking lot has been repaved I don't know how many times in the four years I've been here, maybe at least once a year or so. I don't understand that.
He was recommending buying buildings, creating new departments, starting our own library system, which I recently learned we don't have the funds to cover. I thanks to Mr. Crumby, he informed me that we only have about 65% of the funds to cover our library system. I was asking him where is this money coming from? He said, first he said, well, there's, we have capital projects from long ago that have been, that those funds have been encumbered we' not going to do them we' lease that and we have more money.
Later on I asked him again and he would always have other answers. So, I was getting more and more concerned. A few years ago I asked to have a financial briefing, include all my staff, our relevant commissioners, and that meeting he said that's fine we're spending a lot of money but we can take out bonds. I I want to also say that I have been working very hard to try to understand what's going on with this budget. I do talk to I have weekly meetings with the city manager.
We go over this was the budget from not this last one, but the one before. We went through all of this. We sent it to our finance commission. We read it. At the end of the day, the person that I needed to ask this information from was mister Chi, and it was mister Chi who I was concerned about.
I asked him for just last year just this current counsel before before mister chief left I asked him for the capital projects listing I asked him for the state of the great park financials I would get partial answers. I asked him for instance how much did the state of the great park event cost last year? He said originally something around $30,000 I said that doesn't make any sense just looking at the marketing it must have been more than that. He said, oh, well, I didn't include the marketing. I ended up asking for a meeting with supervisor Katrina Foley to ask about the library system funding and found out that what Mr.
Chi had told me about it was not true at all, and that parts of the deal that he reported were not true. For instance, he reported to me that the county was going to let us keep all of all of the books in the library. And then when I talked to supervisor Foley, said, no. That was not part of the deal. And indeed, they took all the good books with them. When it was it's like playing three card Monte with someone. They know where the queen is. I don't know where it is. They get to see where I'm looking. It's just about impossible to win.
It was hard for me to find out what was going on. Finally, with Swift Cities, the gondola project, finally, that was something that we could actually do searches for. By the way, I don't have access to our financial system. I think that's probably a good idea. You don't want the council members up here having access to the financial system.
It' not like I could find it but I could do searches of just the irvine transparency portal so we could look at the contracts that had been initiated and because of we knew about the gondola we could do a search for cities in the gondola and that' how we found out just how much we ended up spending on just the prototype and design plans for the gondola it was $734,000 total I would ask Mr. Chi what did you spend on the prototype? And he'd give me a number. And I'd say, is this everything? Because I'd already learned to ask him that.
And he'd say, yes, it's everything. And then we go looking into the contracts, we'd find more and more and more. We're like, well, what about this? Oh, that's everything. The 734,000, we never were asked about that at the Great Park Board. We never voted on that. That's a fairly substantial sum. So, I just want to say I'm very concerned about this, especially coupled with now these projections. The next couple years, the projections are not awful, partly because we've been using those one time funds, as I understand it. But then we go off that cliff, basically, a couple of years from now, and I'm very, very concerned.
And I really want to know what is going on and how we got here. And I'm not sure I don't know exactly what the best way is to get that information, but I ended up deciding that it I think it would be good to have a forensic audit of our books, given where we're now. And I don't relish that idea, but I want to make sure as we're going forward that we don't have any more surprises. I don't want to be here three years from now and then all of a sudden have another surprise. So I'd like to make a friendly amendment actually to the motion.
And the friendly amendment is to include a third party forensic audit with the firm to be selected by the city council covering 01/01/2020 to the present.
will accept that amendment.
I' done for now thank you.
Councilmember Martinez Franco.
I would like to say in defense of city manager here. I actually have conversations where some alarms were wrong. Like, if I wanted to bring something, there's no money, there's no money. So I knew about this no money for a while because they will always present us the budget. It's like, well, we want to brief you with the budget.
So, mostly when the library, the University Park Library came up about and the Great Park Library came about, I was asking, where is the money going to come from? Well, we don't have money. Is it their dad? And as a matter of fact, I think it's public here. It's not even a one on one. I think they mentioned we don't have money to build the library. So then we started talking about taxes. Like, okay, so how will taxes will look like? And I had these conversations with Mr. Crombie, but I think every city council member had the right to ask these questions because those are fair questions.
How are we going to fund the libraries? We have to provide ideas. And I went to my town hall and I just asked like what are going to be the ideas on how we can fund if there is a possibility of buying University Park Library. So, I mean, those are conversations that we have now. Staff also rang the bell on us.
They brought us a proposal to do an advertisement in alcohol at the Great Park, and the majority of the council member rejected them. And I knew that we needed that money, so I don't know why we rejected them. And just like that, there has been a couple other projects that we rejected just because. So that's my only comment. Sorry. It's late at night I cannot coordinate my brain anymore.
I have no more requests from folks to be heard. Let me just offer a few comments of my own and then we can proceed to a vote or whatever. This city in 1974, when it was a very small city, undertook a park bond issue. It was a terrible time. It was a recession, a very deep one.
And adopted that park bond issue allowing us to build our first five community parks. And ever since we have been on a pays we grow system. And as we grow, we exacted from developers funds for parks, and we've gotten into a very useful pattern with the Irvine Company and other developers where they actually build the park as part of the overall project. That's how we've managed to develop really the best park system in The United States Of America. Number one is considered Washington DC.
I don't regard that as a city, it's a district. So that puts us as number one. And of course, we excel in so many other areas. But as I tell people who say they want this, they want that, I tell them we can do anything you want us to do if you're willing to pay for it. That is important for people to understand.
And the idea that members of this council or previous council could have this project and that project and so forth and a mobility hub and spend money before it comes to us. I don't know where people get that idea. And so I think the responsible thing in governance is to obviously make sure that your revenues are going to meet your expenditures, and that's what budgeting is all about. We're not in dire straits. This motion I would implore the maker of the motion to hold off until we have our hearing on May 5.
The motion includes all kinds of prescriptions without a diagnosis. I think let's get the diagnosis down first and then offer the various prescriptions. There were several people who testified, you know, you just say something that just sounds great, like let's have a hiring freeze. Are you kidding? To get in the way of bringing people on who
be essential to the success of projects that we've authorized and directed our staff to do. Taking over the libraries, by the way, there's a tendency here, throw Mr. Chi under the bus. I'll stick with the statement that we made, which is that Oliver Chi, as city manager, got more done in three years than in the preceding ten years in this city. He brought us Mr.
Crombie. He brought us Dale. He brought us Chris Lama. He brought us some of the best people moving forward on a whole host of fronts. And the idea that somebody would throw him under the bus here is frankly kind of nauseating.
Let me suggest to the maker of the motion that he holds his motion in abeyance that we have the meeting on May 5 with the finance commission as part of its regular functions. We'll be looking at all this on May 4. And we'll have a very deep dive on May 5 that can be followed by subsequent meetings as we feel they're necessary. And we can then be doing our jobs. If the motion were to pass, obviously it could be superseded by anything we do May 5 by way of superseding motions.
I don't want us to look stupid though by adopting something that's a bludgeoning blunt instrument tonight to try to look like we're doing something when in fact, let's get the diagnosis right before we issue prescriptions and begin to lock ourselves into some very foolish moves. Those are my comments. Council member Goh. I'm sorry.
Did you wish to be heard? No.
Councilmember Lu.
So just to clarify, are you asking to continue this until May 5 or are you?
I' asking I could make a motion to that effect but I would prefer the maker of the motion consider the wisdom of just holding off until our May 5 meeting. And that is, of course, after the finance commission has made its contributions on May 4.
Okay. So, yeah, I mean I tend to agree with expediting the report and having, you know, but, and I agree that we should probably explore all the options before we decide on how to proceed.
Well, there was more, let me just make a point. When you talk about a hiring freeze, that's tomorrow morning. If this passed, you would tell everybody in the city no more hiring, right, for anything.
That's correct.
I agree. I mean, let's get a diagnosis before we start the treatment.
All right.
Thank you. All right. I take it my inquiry as to whether you would wish to hold off is met with silence or a no. Is that correct?
Mayor, thank you for your suggestion and your guidance on this matter. But we have a first and a second and I' going to maintain that with the exception of the friendly amendment.
I' offer a motion to continue this matter to our meeting of May 5, which I'll be calling tomorrow by way of a special meeting.
I'll second that.
All right there's a motion to continue. Absent any discussion with the clerk please call the roll.
Councilmember Doh.
Can we clarify we're voting on the continuance right?
It's a motion to continue the budget discussion.
To May 5.
To May 5.
He's changing my motion.
And that's currently not scheduled, believe, correct? The May 5 meeting?
I'll be calling that meeting tomorrow.
No, I'd like to vote.
I'm sorry you said no. Okay keep going.
I'm sorry to clarify that was a no vote. Thank you. Councilmember Lu? Yes. Councilmember Martinez Franco?
Councilmember Treseder? No. Vice Mayor Mai? No. Mayor Agram? Yes. Motion fails three to three. Councilmember Goh, Councilmember Treseder, Vice Mayor Mai voted no.
As to the principal motion could you read it it's been a while.
Mr. Mayor if I may through you defer to the maker of the motion there was a lot in there that admittedly I didn't get.
If you would recite the motion councilmember mye and included in the friendly amendment that you accepted.
Sure absolutely it's a long one. Let' go to the motion. In light of the 03/30/2026 general fund briefing and in order to begin addressing the city' structural general fund imbalance through a public and orderly process I move that the city council direct city staff as follows. Implement an immediate hiring freeze with exception only to necessary core public safety and essential city operations through the council's scheduled public budget discussion on this matter. Continue the current pause on nonessential spending with exceptions only to necessary to protect core city services and required operations through the council scheduled public budget discussion on this matter.
Return to the city council at that public meeting with a report that a identifies near term expenditure control options b recommends structural budget solutions for fiscal years twenty five twenty six twenty seven twenty eight and beyond clearly present the fiscal impact advantages disadvantages and service implications of each major option, including expenditure reduction, fee maximization, vacancy management, use of one time funds, use of reserves, and potential revenue measures. D provides recommendation for immediate actions the council can take to preserve flexibility and protect core city services while longer term discussions are considered. And e outlines a proposal proposed plan for a public facing budget workshop including participation opportunities for residents taxpayers employee associations and other interested stakeholders. Four present the proposed public workshop plan to the council at the same meeting so that the council may consider next steps for a transparent public process before any major long term fiscal decisions are made. Five no public survey tax increases.
And also with the friendly amendment a forensic audit by a third party chosen by the city council. That' it.
I want to speak to that. So you're directing the city manager to pursue a forensic audit, and God knows how much that would cost, probably $100,000 for sure to start. And with the passage of this motion, I want to understand this, Mr. Crombie, would you be then going out and hiring a forensic auditor tomorrow? Would you start that process?
The way I understood it is I believe the motion said that the council would select firm, am I wrong?
What are we going to do, hook them up in a phone book or are you going to provide some direction?
I'm happy to assist, take charge in any way that the council sees fit.
This motion is I think highly inappropriate and premature to say the least. That' my comment I' definitely opposed to this motion. Anything further? Councilmember Martinez Franco.
I am going to oppose to this motion too just because I want to have the option of taxes. And I want to have the public opinion of the people because I really want to save University Park and I don't see how else can we or well, maybe there is more options. But I want to make sure that we have money for our libraries. Voting in this motion will give us no option to raise any taxes in the future. So I vote no.
Anything further? Councilmember Tristeider, Councilmember Liu.
Can I please clarify? Because we voted to I mean the council majority voted to continue. What was it that we voted to continue?
It was a three to three vote so the motion That' right.
Never mind I'm done. Thank you.
Councilmember lu.
Don' believe in nature reactions I think what we do here affect the city and again I want to reiterate that what we do is what we' allocating how we' allocating money to invest in the future and not just to place blame on anybody right now. Again, I don' believe in finding a treatment before we have the proper diagnosis and also to eliminate options that we didn't even bother to explore. Quite frankly, I have to be very blunt about it. I find that very irresponsible. $6,000,000 is a lot of money maybe not to the city of ivy' s budget but it is a lot of money.
What we' supposed to be doing is to maybe find a way find a reason and see where our options are in raising revenues and cutting expenses. It's not one way or the other. We're always facing this false dichotomy that there's always one way or the other. That's not true. Both can be true.
And so for that reason, yes, forensic accounting is extremely expensive. And so here we go again. I mean, I think we are forgetting what we had just discussed on how we approach spending and to make that on the fly, on the dais, without really considering all the other options, I just can't support this motion. So for me, that's a no.
Thank you councilmember mi will give you the last word and then we will call the roll.
Thank you mayor and I will keep it very short I implore my fellow colleagues to demand transparency this is a call for transparency and action I implore you to take that stance with me thank you.
With the clerk please call the roll on the motion by councilmember mye that was seconded by councilmember treseder and included a friendly amendment along the way with respect to forensic analysis or whatever. Mr.
Mayor, if I may just one point of clarification on that friendly amendment. I do believe I heard going back to a certain date which was I believe January 2020. Thank you that was the only thing I need clarification on.
Which obviously included the entirety of the pandemic.
Councilmember go yes councilmember lu no councilmember martinez franco no councilmember traceter yes vice mayor mi yes mayor agron no motion fails three to three with councilmember lou councilmember martinez franco and mayor agron voting no.
Thank you to all for spirited discussion I will be calling a special meeting for May 5. I think I will do it today. Fair enough? Okay. With that, there are two remaining items.
I see that Chris Lama and Julie Zioli are here from the Library Advisory Committee. Maybe we can dispose of this quickly. You've patiently waited. I'm going to ask the clerk just for the record to introduce this item by title and subject.
Thank you, Item 5.3 is Library Advisory Committee proposed plan. All right.
Mr. Crumby, did you wish to introduce our staff or should they introduce themselves?
Point of order, sorry. Yeah. Sorry, I'm so sorry to interrupt. I think this is going to be a long discussion.
Well,
let's open it nonetheless and see if we can close it up real fast, or at least give you a little guidance. All right? How long is your presentation?
Just five slides, mayor. We can go through it pretty quickly.
Five slides or five minutes?
It's five slides,
but we can go through it quickly.
All right. I have a quick suggestion to make that I think could short circuit all this. But why don't you go ahead and see if you can make a very abbreviated presentation and all a trot out an idea and see if we can at least move this along a little bit all right.
Thank you honorable mayor and council members with me today is director of community and library services chris lama and I'm julie zioli city librarian so this is the library advisory committee proposed plan just a little background on 02/10/2026 the city council directed staff to develop a plan to establish a library advisory committee composed of one appointee per city council member and two at large members that would be subject to the requirements of the brown act. The proposed committee would serve in an advisory capacity to the community and library services commission which would retain its existing advisory role to the City Council. This reporting structure is consistent with other city advisory committees including the public arts committee that reports to the commission establishing the committee within the reporting framework maintains clear governance alignment and avoids the creation of duplicate advisory bodies the committee would advise the commission by serving as a forum for input from individuals schools and organizations with an interest in library programs and services providing recommendations on strategic initiatives and supporting efforts to promote high quality equitable library services The committee would not have authority to make operational or staffing decisions overwrite adopted policies or act in a manner inconsistent with federal state or local laws.
The committee' bylaws would include provisions requiring compliance with all applicable laws. As directed by Council the proposed library advisory committee would consist of nine voting members including seven City Council appointed members and two at large members each City Council member would appoint one representative to serve on the committee appointees would serve at the pleasure of the appointing council member and for the duration of the council members term consistent with the city' existing advisory committee structure. Staff recommends designating the two at large positions represent key community organizations this approach is intended to ensure consistent representation from core library groups and strengthen collaboration with educational and use serving partners specifically staff recommends one representative recommended by the irvine unified school district and one representative recommended by the irvine public library teen advisory group. Individuals appointed to the at large positions would serve two year terms alternatively the city council may direct staff to establish the two positions as general at large members under this approach members would be selected through the city standard public recruitment and appointment process including application interview and appointment by the community and library services commission at large members would serve two year terms pursuant to the brown act the committee may discuss acts discuss or act on items listed on publicly posted agendas staff recommends that the committee meet on quarterly basis consistent with other city advisory committees with the ability to convene special meetings as needed this meeting frequency provides regular opportunities for engagement while aligning with established committee practices and available staff resources additional meetings may be scheduled during periods of significant activity such as the upcoming library master planning project or the opening of new facilities.
If City Council approves the proposed framework staff recommends the following implementation timeline as noted on the screen approval of the proposed plan would establish a transparent and well defined structure for community input that broadens participation while maintaining clear governance roles and accountability in the delivery of library services. Again before you are the recommended actions for tonight which is to approve the proposed library advisory committee plan including its composition reporting structure and scope and then direct staff to return with an ordinance and bylaws consistent with plan for formal city council consideration. That concludes the presentation.
Thank you. Let me if I might see if I can move things along here a little bit. We' going to have an election in November. If appointments are made in, or if the first meeting is in October, and there's a change in personnel at the council level or the mayoral level, is that person still an appointee or not?
I think it would just depend on if they remain an appointee if that new council member decides to retain them in that position.
Attached to the person.
Correct it would be just as the other most of the other committees are it would be attached to the council member appointing their committee member.
I think that probably suggests some wisdom in waiting for the first meeting to be after an appointment that's after the election. But that's just a thought. Second thing is I know the question of friends of the library representation has come up. They're not precluded from being appointed, anybody who's a leader in the Friends of the Library, are they? So any of us, any of us could appoint. Correct,
that's correct.
And, at the same time there isn't a reserved seat for them is there?
There's not a reserved seat it's as directed by counsel it's seven appointees and then two at large.
All right. So one suggestion I have, and I'll be happy to call on others and see where we go from there. One suggestion I have is there are seven council appointed persons, two selected at large, and that's by the seven, or is that by basically our staff?
So it could it could go one of two ways one normally the way the two at large have been selected on
Oh, now it's working.
Test. I'm working.
Yes. Rough night.
Okay, thank
you. So two, sorry.
Sorry. To the two at large if could be a point would go through a recruitment process, there's two ways to do it. It could
go through a recruitment process,
and that would go through
the community and library services commission for an application and selection process so that's one way of doing it the other way of doing those two appointees is you know focusing on what we would recommend maybe the school district or our teen advisory group that's been suggested by some of our team members as well.
That' right I remember that. Just a thought that I had because I know there' s a lot of concern about whether friends of the library are properly represented or if they're unrepresented and so forth. I think this is all going to work out fine, the seven, the two that are institutionally connected. I like that idea. And it would seem to me if we just wrote into the bylaws that beyond that, two additional members could be recommended by our staff to be added at some date.
If for some reason this thing isn't properly balanced, our friends of the library folks are shut out entirely, which would not be right, that there could be an expansion if you write into the some flexibility into the bylaws so that you could add yet another one or two. And maybe after a period of three months or something like that. Whatever. That was just my thought. Let's get the thoughts of others on the record. And it occurs to me that important as this is, we probably could continue the matter to another meeting am I right or do you feel a sense of urgency? Completely up
to you mayor if you think it warrants further discussion we're happy to come back at a future meeting.
There we are councilmember Martinez Franco.
I want to continue this matter. And this is the reason I had a group of people that wanted to speak tonight. And it's almost one in the morning, so they left. So I want to continue this matter to another meeting if the council members are okay with this.
Alright. My screen here says seat number eight. Who is seat number eight?
That is me sir.
Councilmember terceder.
I have also heard that the folks who wanted to speak on this item have long since gone home. I could move we continue or perhaps you could continue it.
I' happy to accept a motion to continue.
Move that we continue.
Councilmember terceder moves that the matter be continued. Let' not specify a date certain presumably as early as we can get this on the agenda.
Continue to the next meeting.
Motion to continue is there a second? Seconded by councilmember Martinez Franco. Absent any discussion with the clerk please call the roll.
Councilmember go. Yes. Councilmember Lu. Yes. Councilmember Martinez Franco. Yes. Councilmember Trezieder.
Vice Mayor May? Yes. Mayor Egren? Yes. Carries six-zero of the members present.
Excellent. That matters continued. Let me just ask a question or two relative to 5.5. Does this were we to move toward ranked choice voting that would require a charter amendment would it not?
If council members Tresidar, Martinez, Franco, and Lou agree, I would just suggest we give guidance to staff to come back to us and tell us what that process would be how long it might take and so forth and then just continue this matter and hopefully we would have that information back to us for the next meeting.
Thank you I agree as long as we can talk about it the next meeting I didn' expect to get to it today.
Let' continue this. Take that as a motion from councilmember to cedar to continue this matter to the next meeting and along the way if Mr. Melchin could provide us with some guidance about what it takes to put together a charter amendment.
Will do.
Was there a second?
I'll second.
Councilmember Lu seconded. Will the clerk please call the roll.
Councilmember Go? Yes. Councilmember lu yes councilmember martinez franco yes councilmember truceader
vice mayor mye yes mayor agron
carry six to zero of the members present
thank you and all the move that we adjourn in memory of those three outstanding individuals who regretfully have passed. Is there a second?
I will second.
Seconded by councilmember tresieder with the clerk please call the roll.
Councilmember go. Yes. Councilmember lu. Yes. Councilmember Martinez Franco.
Councilmember tresieder.
Vice Mayor mi.
Mayor Akron yes carry six zero of the members present
thank you meeting adjourned
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