Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

Call to order the planning commission meeting for September 10th. Can we get roll call? Commissioner Scarboro Echo present. Commissioner Santos present. Commissioner Ortiz here. Vice Chairperson Fron present. Chairperson Rodriguez

present. Okay, we're going to ask uh Commissioner Ortiz to please lead the pledge of allegiance. Thank you. This is the moment for public comments for items that are not on the agenda. Do we have any?

There are none. Thank you. And we have minutes from the August 27th meeting. Any changes or I'll make a motion to approve the minutes. I'll second. Roll call, please. Commissioner Scarboro Eckle. Abstain. Commissioner Santos. Yes. Commissioner Ortiz abstain. Vice Chairperson Fron. Yes. Chairperson. Yes. Motion carries.

All right. Moving on to our public hearing item 5.1, a request for a tentative track map and planning review. Just waiting for the presentation to get there. You go. Uh good evening chair, members of the planning commission. My name is Nicolas Witron, assistant planner with the city of India and the community development department. I'm presenting item 5.1, the Sanpiper housing development, which consists of the tenative track map number 344 or 34668 with case file number plan TTM240002 and the planning review application for case file number plan PRD240015. The applicant Joyce Santos of Fiero Engineering Inc. on behalf of Yagi Properties LLC is proposing to subdivide one parcel totaling 5.6 62 acres into 34 single family residential lots. In addition to the new lots, the project will construct an internal public street, sidewalks, utilities, and retention patient to serve the development. The project is located on San Piper Road east of Calhoun Street and north of Avenue 48. The parcel is currently vacant with sandy soils and minimal vegetation and is and is surrounded by existing neighborhoods. The general plan designation for the site is suburban neighborhood high. The land use category allows for the for detach and attached single family homes, small lot subdivisions, and town home style residences with densities up to eight dwelling units per acre. The intent of the designation is to provide compact suburban neighborhoods that are walkable, efficiently use land, and connect well to the existing community. The proposed 34 lot subdivision results in a density of 6.0 905 dwelling units per acre which is within the allowable range. The zoning designation is suburban

neighborhood 8. The SN8 uh which implements the suburban neighborhood high general plan designation. The SN8 zone permits single family detach housing at a maximum of eight dwelling units per acre. It requires compliance with the development standards such as minimum lot sizes, setbacks, height limits, and parking. The tenative map uh track map shows the proposed subdivision layout. The 34 lots are arranged around the s around San Piper Avenue that will connect to the surrounding road work and through the community. The map also includes a retention basin basin to manage storm water on site. All grading, drainage, and infrastructure improvements will be constructed to city standards. The subdivision design ensures that the each lot is buildable within the SN8 standards, provides adequate access for vehicles and pedestrians, and maintains consistency with the sur surrounding residential pattern. The this site plan illustrates how the subdivision functions as a neighborhood. Internal streets are designed with walk with sidewalks on both sides to promote walkability. The layout ensures adequate circulation for emergency services. All homes will be oriented toward the internal street with consistent setbacks and landscaping to create a cohesive residential character. The planning review application includes the architectural elevations for the homes. The homes will be averaging about 2,485 ft of living area. Architectural treatments include articulated facades, varied roof lines, and stuckle finishes with accent materials. Each home includes a two-car garage providing the required off- streetet parking. The landscape incorporates drought tolerant plant species from the city's approved pallet consistent with the California model water efficiency landscape ordinance. Landscaping is provided in the front yards and common areas. And in addition to this, staff has added two conditions of approval not

shown on this slide. Um the retention basin must be landscaped ensuring that the features integrates with the neighborhood rather than appearing as a vacant dirt basin. Um and all newly installed trees must be a minimum of 24 bucks inch which will which will enhance the neighborhood's maturity and shade coverage from the outset. Those conditions are already in the conditions of approval. So if if approved that'll be um included with that approval. And the project is compliant with the city of India's general plan 240. The project is compliant with the unified development code. The tenative map 34668 is consistent with the subdivision map act. The proposed project is consistent with the city of India's general plan 20 240 and certified program EIR. With application of relevant conditions of approval, the project is recommended for approval and conditions approval. Conditions of approval are binding and must be adhered to. And in conclusion, staff recommends the following actions. Adopt resolution number 2116 recommending that the city council approve tenative track map number 34668 and adopt resolution 2117 conditionally approving the planning review application for the architecture of the homes. Uh that concludes my presentation. If you have any questions I'm available.

Thank you. Do we have any questions for No. For the applicant I do have a clarifi did you say it's a private use street? No public. Okay. Yeah. All right. And um no, the rest is for the client. Thank you so much for your presentation. We'll go ahead and open the public hearing for this item. Do we have any or do we have the client?

Thank you, commissioners. Robert Himenez on behalf of the ownership. So, uh we're excited for this project. We think, uh this is going to complete this neighborhood. Uh we're going to bring the street through. We're going to handle a lot of the offside drainage that's accumulated on site now. We're going to treat that on site. Uh we had to give up quite a bit of land area to do that. Uh we've completed all our uh sequest studies and we think uh this project's going to be a good addition to the city. Thank you so much for being here. Do we have any questions? Yeah, please.

Okay. Thank you. Hello. Thank you. Um so I have a question for you. Um, the lots are pretty small and I know that's kind of a new thing now, right? Smaller lots get more houses into an area and we need the housing. Is there any reason why these weren't done as you know town homes where they're actually connected and maybe there could be a little more yards. Is each one going to be fenced so it's really really tiny or is it going to be shared yards or how is the tiny lot being managed? Um, we don't think we don't think the lots are that small frankly. I mean, the smallest lot is 5,000 square feet. I read some I read 3500 somewhere. Maybe I misread it. So, the smallest lot is 5,000. Yeah.

4,300. Okay. 4,300. Okay. So, will there be because when you look at the pictures, the the there's no fences, right? So, you see the house, you see a little bit of a yard with the walkway and then another house. So, is there going to be your typical fence yards where there's going to be literally what a couple of feet between the wall and the house or there it's it's your typical setback. It's the setbacks that are allowed. Can we Can we pull up? I want to see I want to show you where I'm seeing. Maybe I'm just seeing a picture that it looks a little smaller than normal. Yeah, I know what she's talking about. Go to the Go to the design, the elevation or the No, the design the site plan. Nope. Keep going. That one right there. Right there. She's probably talking about

So, see right here, if you look at like the the second picture down, you know, there's no fence. Yeah. Five 5T set back. So, she's talking about this area. Yeah. There'll be a fence in between the houses. Okay. So, each So, each So, there will be a block a block wall like there is for any other block or wood. Yeah. Okay. Or wood. Wood fence. Okay. Yeah. We don't we don't really see wood anymore. I don't know block excuse is that a

um yes. So our code does allow for all types of uh fencing material. The only thing that it it prohibits is chain link fencing. Um but I did want to note that uh in the conditions of approval there is a condition that staff added um that requires each of the properties to be um walled. So there will be uh perimeter fencing around each property um and they will be masonary block. Okay. Okay. So, we'll be blocked. Yes. Okay. All right.

Now, if they sell the homes, I I just want to note this. If they do when when they sell the homes and each individual property owner does have the opportunity if they wanted to add wood or laminate fencing or any anything like that, it would be allowable because our code does allow that. And that's just through a building permit. So yes, I I as of right now that they have to build out to the conditions of approval, but if an individual homeowner wanted to change something like that, you mean they'd have to take the wall out if they wanted to and put in something else, right? But the developer will be putting in block walls, correct, as part of the construction. Yes. Okay.

Just to clarify, um, Nico, maybe you could specify the actual front yards. Those are not fenced. Those are open. Correct. I'm talking about the sides. the sides and the back. Right. That's what I figured, but I just want to clarify. And then each each home does have a minimum setback uh side setback per the code of five feet. So they can get up to five feet. Um each home can be so 10 feet within apart from each other each property. Okay. All right. So that meets our minimum Yeah. setback. Yes.

Okay. All right. So that was one question. The other question is, you know, we talk a lot about housing stock, right? and we have a lot of single family homes and we're always talking about trying to get a variety of homes. Was it did you guys ever look at or was there a reason why town homes or other style of houses weren't discussed? I mean, I'm just really curious. We always seem to get single family detached homes. Those plans that lot was approved earlier like 10 years ago or so and we just followed the same pattern.

Okay. So, it's a continuation of a previously approved plan. Okay. All right. Thank you. Um, this will be a public street, so it's not gated, which is which is good. Um, will there be any type of HOA or community um, association that will help maintain the homes in Yeah, there will be like a maintenance. There will be a maintenance like an HOA of some kind for those for those 34 houses. Okay. All right. That's all my questions right now. Thank you.

Thank you. I do have a question and then please forgive me if I didn't catch it on the presentation or on the documents from our agenda. Uh what is the price range that you guys thinking of like selling the house every single house? 56 500 500 that would be like the base range or that would be that's going to be at the lower end. Oh, the lower end. So what will be the higher end? We don't know. We don't know yet. We got to get through all these approvals and see where we end up on our cost. Uhhuh. Okay. Okay. I think I'm good.

I actually do have a a couple questions. So, the first one is um I I see that you have groupings. Are you planning on phasing out the project or what's the how do you plan to build out? No, I No, it's just it'll be just one phase. Yeah.

Great. And then the other thing that um I was looking at um just because of the orientation of the backyard. So there's already an existing neighborhood there and these are two-story homes um that are going to be overlooking uh single family home backyard. And so I'm wondering and we can talk a little bit about your landscape plan. Um what are some of the measures that you're taking to, you know, do some security making sure that there's still privacy? And if not, we can we'd be happy to give you some suggestions. Well, there is a there will be a block wall in the back and we probably plant some high trees. Okay. So, how how high is the the wall?

Six feet. Okay. And if you're on the second floor in one of those bedrooms, you might be able to see to somebody's backyard, right? So, tr the landscape plan would probably address some of that.

Okay. And talking about your landscape plan, you guys have some of the the trees um the Australian willow. Would you be um opposed to switching that to the honey mosquite? And the reason that I ask is because Australian willow actually is known to um have really bad roots that can rupture um through sidewalks. and the honey mosquite. And this is from um the plant native that the um friends of the desert mountain produced, which also happens to be one of our council members on that. Um

recommending to do native trees as opposed to non-native. And so I think, you know, it'd be great if we could add some of those native trees to your landscaping and then include a condition to make sure that we're planting those along the back wall to protect the privacy of the homeowners and the back half of the single family. Great. No problem. Thank you so much. Thank you. Oh, one more.

Sorry, one more. So, normally when you buy a new home, the backyards are not landscaped. They're usually just sand and you get to do your own thing. So, if you're going to put up some type of tree to protect privacy, that's not usual, right? Because black backyards are usually are usually empty. I'm assuming you're not planning the landscape, the backyards of all the properties, are you? We were not planning on it, but you could be like the ten the new buyer will will put it there.

I just wanted to add to that discussion real quickly. Sorry to interrupt. So, um you're right that typically the landscaping is not installed in the back. Um but as we've discussed, we can go ahead and add that condition to add like trees in the rear yard, especially, you know, near the fence line or near the wall. We do have to be careful though that it doesn't um buckle the wall. It could cause damage. So, probably like some root barriers and things like that, but we certainly tonight can add that. And I just wanted to remind you that the overall landscape this evening um they just showed kind of the standard typical in the front. So um we didn't see some of the other landscaping like in the retention basin and things like that, but we can go ahead and add an additional condition. So the developer would be required and when the planners go out to check this the homes to make sure those trees are planted for privacy um a screening if you will in addition to the wall if that what you'd like to see.

That would be great. Well, thank you so much. We're going to open it up for public comments to see if uh anyone in the city has any comments for this project. There are no comments. All right. Well, thank you so very much the applicant to staff. I don't think we Oh, I think there is a public comment.

Hi, everyone. Sorry I didn't dress, but one of those things. I uh I reside in the in the neighborhood. My name is Alejandro Hernandez. Uh I reside in Pen West. That's the neighborhood. Okay. Uh, I grew up there. Not a very pleasant place as we all know. You know, it has a name for it. My concerns are a couple of things. I'm glad that there is a wall going up because I live where you're going to build. Okay. I wanted to find out who was going to be a one story. This is two story. So, we're losing privacy. We are. You know, it's a concern for everyone. Uh I am glad that the wall is going up and that tree wise you guys know more about trees than I do and I do you know respect that you're saying that yeah they do uproot and tear pipes and things like that. It's been a problem. Uh my concerns are also there's going to be a lot of traffic coming into our neighborhood. Okay. A lot of traffic coming into our neighborhood. You know congratulations on your project. At the same time there's going to be traffic while you're constructing there. Okay, keep in mind there's kids, there's residents.

Sir, could we could we ask you to speak to the mic because it's part of the public. Thank you so much. You know, no worries. We appreciate we appreciate you. Thank you very much.

At the same time, you know, I'm I'm uh my concern are uh the safety of the children, the safety of the residents, the traffic coming in and out, uh the added traffic after you start selling the homes and all that. Uh again, privacy is a big thing. And is this something that you know I wanted to bring up to your consideration also gentlemen your project because we've lived there for quite a while and keep in mind and you guys know it uh things could get rocky because something new's coming in. People have lived there a lot of years and there's going to be a lot of traffic. And my biggest concern is the children and the residents that have lived there for years that are elderly people that are going to have tractors, rigs coming in, the noise, the dust, all that other concerns. I just wanted to bring that up. I came because my mother said, "Look, we got this in the mail, you know, and uh we live right on it. Right on it." A while back, someone did come up and they I don't know if it was one of these gentlemen, but came up and they said that they were going to build. This was about maybe a year and a half ago and now it's happening. Apparently, if it passes, I don't know. But I just wanted to bring up those concerns as a resident there. The privacy, the traffic, the dust, the noise. I don't know what time the construction's going to be and the traffic that it's going to bring into the neighborhood because as you all know it's one way in, one way out. Okay? And that's one concern that I have for the residents there. Most of the ones that would be here have moved on. They're in heaven looking down going take care of my neighborhood. even

though it's been a rough stay, we still care about it. Okay, that's all I wanted to say. So, keep that in mind. Thank you very much. We really we appreciate your your comment. I wonder if we could address any some of the concerns about the dust mitigation. I know we have some standards that maybe we could um um speak about just to some of the concerns that were raised over the

Yeah. So um you know in the conditions of approval um the public works department does have uh PM10 standards that every development needs to com needs to uh abide by. Um this project will follow suit. Um they will they will have to make sure that any type of uh mitigation that is taking place um that dust doesn't doesn't rise up doesn't go into the neighboring homes and and or at least at a at a minimum of of what the requirements are for PM10. And what are the hours of operation? That was another concern about noise during construction. Do we have anything on that?

Um, so our our standards um are are um uh sorry, our standards follow the noise ordinance. So noise uh it's it's very difficult. I mean right now you guys can can condition the time uh for construction. Um but the standards are one half hour past dawn and one half hour past um uh sunrise and sunset. Basically that that's how our noise ordinance uh works which typically the the operating hours would be um I think it's like 7 7 to to 6 or something like that

that yeah it's pretty pretty standard. So thank you very much. We appreciate that. Thank you for uh clarifying and for your comments.

Yeah. Um, so, um, I hear the concerns about, you know, people walking, children, people that have lived there forever. I'm sure that we have quite a bit of rules about, you know, having to put up signs, barriers, so people aren't going to be hopefully walking into the construction zones or in the same path. So, we just, you know, want to make sure that that's going to be handled, you know, and maybe something a developer could think about is it after it's all done, maybe, you know, I we want to slow traffic down, right? It's always an incentive. So maybe figure out how to add some some um what do you call measure? Yeah, like you know bumps in the road or things to like slow the cars down even into the new street so they're not going to be flying

through there from one direction to another. And that's just something that could be you know discussed. Yeah, it it is it is a public road. Um so that would be something that if if uh the commission wanted I believe they would have we would have to go through public works to to get Yeah. And I'm not saying we need to condition there, but I think it's something that could be discussed for the long-term benefit of the community of the new homes and of course the existing but we could add a condition for staff to consider traffic calming measures as we're building out the road.

Yeah, you could if you wanted to add speed bumps, but the problem is we don't have engineering here tonight and they haven't analyzed that and so that could be an issue without their input. So, and then we'd have to come back to delete that condition. So, um we we can work with the developer on that. Yeah. And I wanted to add too that um it would have to be um the public works department as well as the fire department uh because I know fire department has standards for how they see um speed bumps and things like that.

Fantastic. All right. Great. Um well, thank you for that clarification. Um all right, we'll go ahead and close the public hearing and go into deliberations. If not, we can make a motion. I do have a condition. Excuse me, I'm losing my voice. But I do have a condition that I wanted to read into the record when you're ready. I

I mean, I think I'm I'm good. I think it's going to be a nice um finish of that neighborhood and it's good to get some new development in there. Um so, I think that will be that will be helpful. Um and I think if all the things that we've talked about, the privacy screening, looking at the roads, right, that kind of thing, I think if we can do all that right, it'll make the neighborhood even better. Um, I would like to condition the um the privacy screening on the houses um because it is important to try and protect as much of the privacy as we can of the homeowners that are already there and my native trees. That too and your native.

Um, I do want to second everything that Commissioner France said. Um, we do need housing like everybody knows. I just wish like the lower end will be less than 500K. A lot of people can't afford 500k for a house, but that's another conversation for another topic. Um, I do think that we need more housing and then as long as we follow and then we can put all those conditions that we just spoke, I think it will be a good u project for the community. Is that Did you make a motion? No. Okay. Yeah. Great. Do you want to make or make a motion to approve with the conditions as stated? Would you like me to voice the condition to that you can put into the record?

Yes, please. So, the condition would read, "The rear of each residential lot shall contain 24-in box trees to preserve privacy. Um, the number of trees will be reviewed during the landscape plan check for review. And we could add also that the trees planted uh will be native trees." Yeah, that part as well. That's not a condition. Have to go in right away. Yeah, I'll second the motion. Okay. Can we get roll call? Yes. Commissioner Scarboro Echo?

Yes. Commissioner Santos? Yes. Commissioner Ortiz? Yes. Vice Chairperson France? Yes. Chairperson Rodriguez Seca? Yes. Motion carries. Thank you and congratulations. We look forward to your project.

All right, let's move on to action item 6.1. We're here to receive a presentation from staff on the conversation we've been having around gas stations. Okay, good evening chair and members of the planning commission. Tonight we'll be continuing our discussion on the gas st gas stations within the city of India and also digging deeper into some of those questions and topics that were raised at previous planning commissions. So let me begin with a brief recap. Earlier this year on April 16, the city council directed staff um to collaborate work with this planning commission to study gas stations in India. Then at the July 23rd planning commission, the economic development director um presented a a gap analysis um highlighting unmet demand across more than 30 retail and food service categories with a particular focus um on gas stations. Um following that presentation, the commission requested staff to research certain key topics and issues related to gas stations. And tonight we will walk you through those um questions and provide additional context. So one of the questions that we received is how many gas stations are currently in the city of India and how does that number compare to other cities in the Coachella Valley? As of the date of this report, there are 30 gas stations um either open or approved within the city. Um and I do want to point out that um the planning division does not um has not currently is not reviewing or currently has received an application for a gas station. So when compared these numbers regionally, India does have the highest number of gas stations among the nine cities of the Coachella Valley. However,

when adjusted um for population um measuring gas stations per capita, India ranks um eighth. Um, it is worth noting that the city of Indian Wells has zero gas stations while the city of Palm Springs leads the region in gas stations per capita. This makes sense when you consider the population size. According to the 24 census data, India is the largest city in the Coachella Valley with over 94,000 residents. And for perspective, the second largest city, the city of Palm Desert has about uh 53,000 residents. And that's a difference of 41,000 people. So naturally um demand for certain services will be greater. Another important factor is um how residents of India travel to work. Um here again it is worth noting or it definitely stands out that approximately 80% of the residents drive alone to work and 16% carpool. So these commuting habits uh directly influence the demand for uh fueling options across the city. So now let's review the entitlement process for gas stations um in India. So a conditional use permit or CUP is required for all zones where gas stations are allowed under the development uh the unified development code. Uh these zones include light and heavy industrial regional commercial neighborhood center, mixeduse neighborhood and and midtown zoning districts within the highway 111 corridor specific plan. Gas stations require a cup in the mixeduse corridor and mixeduse center zones and those are per those permits are granted by the city council and are also subject to the limited land use requirements. In the workplace employment overlay zone, fuel stations can be approved through an administrative use permit.

So here is a map showing the location of the gas stations and the zoning where they are permitted. Um this gives a clear layout where fuel stations um are concentrated geographically in the city and as you can see they're generally along Highway 111, India Boulevard, Gulf Center Parkway and the I 10. Um in responding to your questions about environmental justice, um staff overlaid the gas station locations with the Kalen viral screen 4.0 know and found that um currently there are two census tracks that are um in the 80 to 90 percentile with five of the gas stations out of the 30 um located in this area. So this also wants I want to be able to indicate that um there is no oversaturation or over concentration of gas stations in these communities. Um I also want to note that the health and equity element of the general plan does not explicit policies restrict restricting the number of gas station in these uh disadvantaged communities. So here is the map from the report showing all the gas stations located within those uh disadvantaged communities um identified by Kalen Virroscreen. Um just a quick reminder for those who don't know Kal Envirro Screen is a tool that measures uh pollution burden uh population vulnerabilities and the higher the percentile the greater the environmental and health impacts are. So um you know going back to the existing demand and some of the policies that currently exist um so uh India currently faces uh nearly 18 million in unmet consumer demand for gas station services. Um as the city population grows and given the city um the city of India's role um in its proximity along I 10 uh the demand is expected to remain

in likely increase. Um that said uh conflicts can arise when the market driven um for development for gas stations or any land use conflicts with some of the broader visioning uh the goals policies that are outlined in our city of India general plan. So how does that demand look like for EV charging? So in regards to electric vehicle charging, electric vehicles currently make up 25.3% of all new car registrations. um in the state um California has surpassed 2 million zero emission vehicles on the road. Um and uh they represent roughly 6% of all registered vehicles in the state. Um and locally, India has 103 public EV charging ports within roughly 10 mile radius of the city. Um and these consist of also level two charging stations, which is the faster charge. Um nationwide over 80% of EV charging happens at home which is a more convenient and cost-effective for most drivers. Um charging stations away from home tend to be used primarily when um folks are doing longer trips or they're traveling. So some other factors to consider. So despite the rise of EVs about 75% of vehicles um in California roads still are gas powered. And this means that for the foreseeable future, the vast majority of drivers will continue to rely on gas stations. Um given India's location along I 10 corridor and one of the last major fueling points before Arizona, the city plays a role um as for fueling in the region. Um so prohibiting new gas stations could result in supply bottlenecks, creating longer lines, less competition, um possibly higher prices, um especially during those uh peak

periods during the festival season or um holiday travel surges. Um this concludes uh my presentation. Thank you for attention and staff is happy to answer any questions.

I just wanted to add uh to Gustavo's presentation just a quick little item. So, even though the items that were presented tonight um were based on what the planning commission would wanted to see as far as research base, the city council also had items that we'll bring back shortly thereafter from this presentation. Uh some of those items which are contained in your staff report. Um the g the council wanted to look at how gas stations can be more clean and safe. They also wanted to focus on making them more attractive. We didn't talk about those this evening. And then probably the big ticket item was how can we mitigate air quality impacts um such as requiring landscaping. We did talk about EV chargers, but requiring more EV uh chargers and then uh potentially more indepth traffic studies. So even though those most of those items were not um discussed tonight, this is kind of a two-prong approach. So, we're getting feedback from the planning commission and then the next time we bring this back, we'll be hitting these other items that the council has brought up to also discuss at the planning commission level before we bring it back to the council. So, that does conclude the staff presentation.

Great. Thank you very much. We can open this up for public comment. And do we have any?

Yes, we do. We have a comment from Jonathan Bera. Uh, my name is Jonathan S. I want to first thank you guys for your time and express overall appreciation for city staff and the commission for all your work. The city's work doesn't get done on its own. So, I appreciate you guys. Um, I've had the honor of earning 15,000 votes by the India residents through my past three campaigns for public office through canvasing, talking oneonone um through voters in group settings as well. I've owned a business here. I've ra I've been raised here and I currently do live in the city of Indo. I first mo most I'm skeptical of who's actually going to get the economic gain from the amount of gas stations that are being focused in the city of India. I suspect they are going to the corporations who are owning them, the those who may or may not have staff in the building to do public comment on their behalf. I do believe that the residents, families, and communities closest to the gas stations have not been given adequate information on the long-term effect for their health or the health of their childrens in the long term. Because of the amount of gas stations in the city of India has been approved and it seems to be pushing to approve currently as we saw on the map displayed by city staff, a majority of these gas stations are distinctly positioned away from the richest parts of the city of India. I believe we in the city of India need a moratorium on gas station development. We have approved so many gas stations that this seems excessive, especially when I speak to people who live here and vote here. You know, a lot of us are still staying in communication. A lot of us have just gatherings, talk in the parks, and you know, we have Instagram, so we see these things. And it it just pers the question as to why we are so focused on gas stations specifically. Um especially when you talk about people going out of town for work. I I would like to see more white collar jobs for those people to stay in town for work. You know, that could help with those numbers as well. Um, sorry, my phone went off. Um, I believe this moratorium again should last 5 years and I believe a comprehensive long-term study should be

initiated in partnership with a major scientific university or organization. I think we haven't adequately understood. Um, and that by no mascence of anyone, you know, more information is better for all of us. I think we should really thoroughly understand what this point of gas station, what that looks like and how it affects us long term. We don't know. We don't know. Um you know Chevron and all of them have done this before and so I think it's if the business can do those kinds of studies we it's incumbent upon us to do them as well. Um we need to pause these gas station investments. We need to diversify our portfolio when it comes to India's future. And it truly is a truly substantial return on investment for the residents of India because we are the ones who have been investing so many time so much time, so much resources across generations to the city to make it so appealing to these businesses which should be coming here. Um, but we need to just pause I think is just what my overall vibe is going to be. Um, again, thank you guys for your work. I really appreciate it. And that's my comments.

Thank you very much. Any others? Tony Mary Hugh.

Thank you. Uh good evening uh chairperson and commission members. My name is Tony Marhughue and uh I am currently the CFO for Chandi Group USA. And probably surprisingly to some of you, I am here today to express support for implementing a moratorum on the development of new gas stations in the city. Um, first and foremost, I would like to tell you that uh, and in my opinion, the data that you've been given, a lot of the data, so I appreciate, I'm sure the city's done a lot of research on it, but I think the data is flawed that you have. There's different approaches to market studies and how people determine where they're going to put a business. And when you hear a number like 18 million in unmet demand for a gas station, it gives me pause because generally when we are looking for gas station sites, we don't talk about dollars. It's always a number of gallons because the dollars are a variable factor. As everyone knows, when you go to the fuel pump, one day it's one price and next month it might be another. So it needs to be in gallons. Um and generally uh the per capita number for gas stations when the city brought forth the um I think the number was 31 per capita currently. Uh that's based on a current population. On the slide you saw it was about 95,000 of India. That doesn't take into consideration that 20% of that population is under the age of 18. They're not driving. Um there's a large population 19% or more I believe the number was that's over 65 and yeah we're still driving but that's changing. So those are other factors. So uh number one I urge you to just review the data and ask questions about it. Um moreover there are several key reasons why I

think it's a forward step for a moratorum. Number one, the city of Indo has enough gas stations existing or approved to meet current demand. I believe there's one that was not on your list. So unless the developer has completely changed or the approval is not in place, there was a gas station approved at the northeast corner of Jefferson and Varner. It's Tower Market and that one was not on that list, but I know it's approved um because we're familiar with the area. Um adding more gas stations simply oversaturates the market. It makes it harder for small business owners who own and operate existing stations to stay afloat. It's especially impacted when supermarkets and big box stores that are part of regional or national chains come into the market, such as the Walmart gas station that was approved recently. They can buy and sell gas for less than traditional locallyowned gas stations. And we risk pushing out those locallyowned gas stations and having more abandoned sites. Secondly, um overall we know that the demand is declining. I can tell you flat out that somebody said that they don't cannibalize each other. They do. We have declining numbers and I know my time's up, but declining numbers in our sites that I can tell you about that are significant and have been impacted just because of the number of gas stations that have opened. Some of them from our own company, but other companies as well. And our sites are impacted. the city can clearly see those numbers if they were able to isolate the sales tax that they receive from gas stations because I can guarantee it's going down because I know what we're paying has gone down. Um I'll sum it up real quick. I know times up, but the um concern about saying, you know, it's looking for the travel corridor and we have the festivals that are here and there's a big demand. Um, at one of the previous meetings it was mentioned, we're not

seeing lines at gas stations unless it's at a Costco. That's really the only place I see lines. Um, when the festivals are in town for that basically one month of the year, there's not lines then either. So, I just urge you to consider what the impact is, what the makes sense, and that maybe we need a moratorum on this. Thank you for your time. Thank you very much. Any other comments? There are no more.

Okay, great. I do want to acknowledge that we did receive lots of um public comments over email. I think over eight. And um I just want to say because I have those names. Thank you to Michelle, to Alex, uh to Ruby, Angelica, Celeste, um and a few other folks who I probably missed their name, but um thank you everyone who's been involved in this conversation. Okay, we'll go ahead and close the public hearing and we can go into deliberation. I do have some questions for staff. Um, so if we could get our team back up here, can you please rephrase your request?

Oh, I cannot. Um, yeah, I promise I didn't even touch it. Um, so I just want one point of clarity. I'm really glad that our um city council got behind the conversation and put uh resources behind it. But this is a conversation we've actually started 2020 when I joined a long time ago. This is a 5year in the making conversation. In 2020 when I joined the planning commission, I asked that same very question of where are we and we were like at 17. In 2023, we tried to do this one more time to start this study, and at the time we had 22 gas stations. Um, and here we are two years later and we're at 31. Thank you for um, giving us the correct data. Um, and so I just want to add that to the record to make sure that, you know, the folks that have been engaging in the conversation, those folks who've been coming to give public comment and submitting public comment every time we've seen a gas station know that this has been a priority for this uh uh body for quite some time and we're very glad that our city council is now interested in putting resources into um moving something forward. Um I did want to um just sort of follow up on um the the demand at the corridors. So you know one of the things that has been raised is about um these are serving the city of India and the numbers that you're giving us are saying per capita this is serving but the models are going in the I 10 corridors and and this is something that has been coming that I've raised in these types of developments. They're intended to capture pass through, right? So they're not really intended to serve. So when we're looking at the data and we're saying per capita, it's misrepresented. Would you would you agree?

I think I would defer that question particularly for demand or or any of the demand models. I'm going to defer that question to um to the economic development director. Yeah, Mr. Miguel will come up. Um, yeah, it would actually be great because in public comment, we had a few things that were raised about our data and the numbers that we've been sharing with the city uh with residents in the city. So, it'd be great if you could give us some.

This is the data that we collect on cell phone uh cell phone data that shows when people where people are going to get gas, where they're if they're coming from home, traveling, all those numbers are through cell phone data which we purchase a subscription for. um some you know the free market decides where they decide where they want to go. They have their own analysis as kind of mentioned before. Um those own gas station owners make their own decisions and as I mentioned before I don't go out and look for gas stations. Uh that is not something that uh I would say that I spend my time doing. I've never met with a gas station owner and recruited them as I do to sit down restaurants, retail things that services that we do need here in the city. Uh they make their own uh determinations. Uh the data that I provided is just off of the cell phone data which we have.

Okay, great. Thank you for the clarity because I think there was a post that was done by your team specifically about gas stations very recently that you were sharing the data that you shared with us here and so I just Yeah, thank you for that clarification. So, um, just to to to bring it home because we heard that there are some inconsistencies, um, is there a possibility for us to do some more, uh, studying in sort of the vein of what was presented? Is that something that you and your team could put together? Anything more granular would have to do a feasibility study, a financial feasibility study, which we'd have to hire a consultant for uh, in order to do that. Uh because the data that I have is just it's the data that that we're we're presenting. And again, that's based off of cell phone data. Yeah. And

how long would Oh, go ahead. Just a quick followup. How long would a feasibility study take? Uh that could take a few months. Uh and that would have to be direction through council in order to to drive that. Correct. That was what I was going to say is that kind of the goal tonight is just, you know, receive the feedback and input from the commission. We'll bring that to the council and then the council is going to direct us as far as next steps and what they do want to study because right now we haven't budgeted. We don't have resources to hire a consultant to do that level of study. But if that's your input, then we'll certainly bring that to the council. Okay, great. Please.

So just to clarify, so if like we here as a commission agree to give that to that recommendation to the council to hire a consultant, we can do that. We can do that today. Yeah, I mean we're not making any decisions per se tonight, but we're gathering your feedback and then if that's part of your feedback that you'd like to go in that direction, we'll certainly um present that. Absolutely. Great. Thank you. Any other questions for staff or should we go into deliberations? I don't think we have an action item or anything. There's no correct. There's no really deliberation. It's just receiving feedback based on the presentation. So, there's an action item. We can't put something forward. There's no action.

No, just a discussion item is not no action.

So, everybody calls it a little bit different, right? Some I we call a discussion item in some other cities. I've seen it in all different things, but um tonight is it's my understanding that we're actually there's no there's no uh specific action that the planning commission is going to take. Um we put it on the agenda as an action item because that's what that's what it's called for brow act purposes and making sure that people come and talk about it. But we're as as Brian was saying, we're gathering data today to go back to bring it to council. So if the planning commission wanted to say, "Hey, listen, we as a group, we want to see a feasibility study, a more granular feasibility study." That is something that uh staff could go ahead and bring to the city council. Um we we don't we don't have that that kind of authority anyways at the planning commission level to require staff do a feasibility study. Jennifer, a quick followup because we've done this process for storage facilities and something that came from this body was a recommendation for a moratorum on storage facilities to put a pause on any applications that were coming in. So before we get into that, have we had any interested applicants for gas stations recently or do we have any down the pipeline?

Yes, we have. How many? Yes, we have. Um, I believe two. I don't know them by memory, but I do know there's one that's interested in going through just a pre-application. We don't have any formal applications for new gas stations, but there will be more um on the horizon for sure. It's just we don't have like an influx right now. I could, you know, I'm not going to say we have five in the queue. We just don't. But there is one that actually will go to a pre-application soon.

Yeah. because we've been averaging about two a year since 2023. So, if we have two down the pipeline, you know, I feel like that's kind of consistently what's been happening. But I just want to clarify, it's an action item, not a study session, we could put forward a recommendation for city council tonight, if we as a body were to decide to do that. And yeah, please. You could if Exactly. That is something that is well within your purview if that's something that you wanted to do as a recommendation to council. along with for example as I said like as a feasibility study as well or you know whatever whatever the planning commission would like to put forth as a recommendation to council.

Great. Any Yeah, please.

Um I don't think I'm ready to make a recommendation to council at this point. I think the feasibility study is something that I would be more interested in seeing if we can get it done. How quickly? What's it going to take? And more than saying no more gas stations, I would actually like to see more. And when we looked at that map and you see the areas where it's red, right? Can we create ways to protect the areas that are already oversaturated and force the gas stations into areas that maybe are in different parts of the city? I mean, I'm kind of more interested in managing versus absolute u moratorium, at least for me at this point. and after the feasibility study maybe I'll change my mind but that's kind of where I am at this point

but the moratorum is not prohibition the moratorum is to put a pause on any applications to go through the process so that we can say we need a breather we need to just kind of sit back for an allocated amount of time to do these types of studies to go back and look at our data which we've heard from someone in the market that's saying hey guys this is a good opportunity for you to look at this further I think this is what the community has been requesting just to clarify the difference between the moratorium and a prohibition. We can't do that here. Our recommendation to the council can be a moratorum and then they decide if that's what the city needs right now. But the moratorium essentially what would be doing is giving us that space to be able to understand more fully how these types of developments are going, where they're going, are they the best uses for our um current land use where they're permissible. earlier, you know, the presentation. Thank you so much. It was very detailed, but there was a lot of things that I feel like maybe could go over, you know, most people who are not in the planning field when we were talking about a CUP. What does that truly mean? It means that this body has the opportunity to deny these. Traditionally and historically, we haven't. The majority has said, "Let's get them right through." So we do have the ability currently in our policy to say maybe that's not the best use but it seems like we are here in an opportunity to say we really need to take a step back and really understand what we are doing as a city. We have current measures that are not working and we're hearing the community come out and say guys we've had enough. If these if there is no moratorum we're going to go from 31 through 32 possibly within the next year because that's been the trend and just 2 years ago we were at 23. So I think what we can do here as a team is make a recommendation to the city council for a moratorum. They can decide if that's appropriate for for us cuz that's not what we're doing. put that

forward and say we would really like to take a breather, understand the market, talk to the folks that are in the market who are clearly showing up tonight and saying there are things you should be considering that you haven't. And so I think this is about both sides. Let's listen to what the community has to say. The moratorium would allow for us to go out to the community and get more feedback, do some of that engagement that we've been talking about. Um if council is ready to put some resources forward this is that time the moratorum would allow us to go ahead and do that. Person if I may

um just because daily what I do I work in public health and you know uh Felipe Ortiz sits on that board that I work at at the vector control district. We do feasibility studies all the time. I mean, we're spraying chemicals and I think sitting here waiting for a feasibility study is going to take a minute. And I do think we need to pause and think about our community and the impact that it's having and long-term impact, not just right now. I I do agree with you that we should put something forward today because we're not saying no. We're just saying give us a minute to get the correct data.

Yeah. If there's no other, do you any comments? Because I'm I'm willing to put forward a recommendation. I think the recommendation should be to have council put a moratorum on gas stations for the time being while we get the resources we need in order to do the market study and invite the market folks who clearly have a lot to say about what we're doing. It's really surprising to me that they, you know, the market is here saying, "Guys, you need to look at it a little further." Yeah, I'm not usually here to say the market is asking us to do something. I think and we've done this before for storage facilities. We said we need the break. We need to hear all sides and we need to do better planning and I think that's what we're here to do. So I you know I'd like to make a make a motion or

may I just add one quick comment? Um thank you for the input. This is very valuable especially um when we bring this to the council and we are going to go back with some more items. So, um I just want to make sure I'm kind of hearing um a consensus even though we're not voting as far as when we do eventually bring this back to council um studying it with the feasibility as as um one of the commissioners mentioned um before going down the path of a moratorum or a pause or are you recommending when we bring this to the council to to just cut straight to the chase and do a moratorum because I just want to make sure when we collate all the information that were, you know, presenting the right information.

Yeah, I guess it'd be good to get um from Oh, please. I'm so sorry, Mr. Chair and members of the commission. Forgive me for the interruption, but I think kind of what we have here, it's kind of interesting, right? So, we have this action item and it's a pre it's really a presentation. It's almost like a receive and file item. Um, but I think also it's really to gain feedback. And so, what we're hearing is it might not be a majority. It may be a majority, but I think what we're hearing are are various things. a possible feasibility study, right? A possible moratorum. No, we're say Well, what I'm saying is a moratorum and you guys added this as an action item.

You added as an action item. It would have been a study session if we would have just been here just talking about it. You added as an action item to get something to the council and what I'm proposing is let's put forward a recommendation for a moratorum. The council can figure out if that's the right strategy because ultimately they're the decision makers, not us. We're here just to say we see a problem. We see something. The market has come. The the community has come asked us to do something about it. Let's put a recommendation forward. Put a recommendation forward for a moratorum. Council can figure it out and then you know we can go from there. If the moratorium passes then it gives us the breathing time to go into the feasibility.

And chair just quick question for you. Um in the do you have a term on that? No, that's for council to decide, right? But the the the moratorum has a limit, right? We can't we can't do more than state law. It it depends on how it's done, but it could be up to 24 months. Okay. So, what we can do here is to say we recommend a moratorum for gas stations and then council you bring that back to council at the next council meeting.

I mean, I think I think in terms of the Brown Act, in terms of how we noticed it, it really was a presentation and so that is my only concern and I will put that on record. Um that said it is an item. It is something uh you know that uh uh planning commission could go ahead and take action on. It's just a recommendation but we did not notice this as a recommendation of you know a moratorum or something like that. I think it was I think the intent and and please staff correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the intent was more of a presentation to present you with uh uh you know issues related to gas stations, especially in light of the fact the city council also was looking at this as well. Um that said, uh you know, I think an abundance of caution if you guys are really looking at a moratorum. Um, I do think that uh that noticing it a little bit differently under the Brown Act would have been, you know, different. Um, that was not the intention of I don't believe if I'm not if I'm talking for a staff or not, but I don't believe that that was the intention nor really was it agendaized that way.

Will you feel it would be better if you guys bring like in the next commission meeting bring that as an action item for I can't I'm sorry I can't hear you. Sorry, can you hear me? Yeah. Would it be better if like you like staff comes like to the next uh commission meeting with actual act like the item itself like like a recommendation so we actually can vote it instead of like doing it right now. Will it will it be better or Well well we are going to return so that's the good thing. We can use this as a learning experience. We're going to bring it back with items that the council wants to focus on. We're hearing the items that the planning commission wants to focus on. So, I'll make sure that when it returns, it's queued up so that it can be more of a recommendation and you could have like an action.

I just want to get clarity though. We can't take action tonight. We cannot make a recommendation to council is what I'm hearing. You can't you can make a recommendation and it is an action item because we can't put forward a recommendation. I just want to make sure that we're not

giving off the wrong imp. I understand what you're saying that the intention from staff. What I think is the people that submitted public comment, I think know what an action item is. I think when they went out and said, "We're requesting a moratorum," they knew this was an action item, not a study session. And so, I just want to make sure that we're staying honest and responsible to all of the people that engaged with us through the Brown Act who submitted a public comment and requested a moratorum. We said it's an action item. If we didn't want to make an action today as a recommendation, we should have added it as a study session, which we have.

I just said since 2020, we've been having study sessions and we can't make any actions on it. 2023, we had another study session. It wasn't an action item. It's an action item now, but it's not even up to us to decide whether the moratorium is going to go through. It's up to council. All we would be doing today is taking action on what the community has requested for us to do during this action item which is ask for a moratorum and then let council decide is that the right step. We are here saying we want a study session. We want a feasibility study. The market is here saying you guys your numbers are wrong. We had a post that went very viral. Lots of folks saw it that we were sharing some data and we were just told that data is not what it should be. I think we deserve the opportunity as a community to really understand this to really understand the data and the only way we're going to do this without adding more gas stations as we have been adding is by saying we recommend to council to put a pause on it. But that's not what we're deciding here. We're just putting forward a recommendation. So, I just want to make sure that, you know, we are not shying away from what can happen and that we're not telling folks who submitted public comment that we can't take that action tonight because we can. I'm not against on making a recommendation to uh to the city council, but what my issue is is that if the intentions for the last couple meetings have been a study session and for whatever reason the staff um intended it to be and it came out something different and they're just making a recommendation. We still take the same exact information that we have now at the following meeting and make that vote at that or make that recommendation to the chair because we do have

I agree because we do have council that is giving

we put it on the agenda and action. What I want to say is that everyone who sent into public comment and the folks who came here saw this as an action item were actually violating the Brown Act. Well, let's talk about this because if folks saw this agenda and said this is an action item means that we're putting forward a recommendation. If we say this, this is really tippytoing around and saying staff's intention was one thing, but that's not what happened. If staff had the intention of just providing more data to us, we should have added it as a study session. We've been studying this for a long time and I understand if you guys are not on board, it needs a majority, right? So if the majority says we don't want to put that forward, but I just want to clarify because we had a lot of community input and I've been getting a lot of community feedback both in meetings online. People really want us to look at this and they're asking for a moratorum not a prohibition. I just want I don't want us to be scared.

Mr. Chair, if I can interrupt you. Yes. Um

I do I agree on some of your points. I just feel that we also have a respons responsibility to protect the city and then not open it up for like lawsuits. So if like the attorney attorney says that we tonight it was not intended to be an action item even though it says action item I mean two more weeks we can say take the same um action next next committee uh commission meeting and then when we can actually legally and then we can tie like all the points and then we are on the same page instead of doing it right now. That way we can protect the city. So listen and let let me have some clarification here. I I see exactly what the chair is saying. The chair is saying listen, this is an action item. We could go ahead and this is it's we've discussed the gas stations a lot. We could go ahead and take pretty much any kind of recommendation and you can there it can

you can take have that recommendation. What I'm saying though is that noticing we didn't notice it as like a you know consideration of recommendation of moratorum. So that what I'm saying it wasn't it doesn't necessarily have to be that specific for Brown Act purposes. Um however that said I'm not prohibiting okay this whatsoever. It's not I'm not saying that it's a prohibition. I'm saying that that when we noticed it um and what's in in your packet is much more of a like receive and file discussion item about the issues. um and what you're saying, yes, we've we've received and we have filed and we we are discussing these issues and there's nothing necessarily prohibiting us from making that kind of recommendation. And

well, when I studied the packet, you guys had a series of things you wanted us to recommend to council to bring back. That's how I read this. I mean, I'm just saying I think everyone who submitted a public comment read the agenda in the same way that I read the agenda. And I understand I didn't mean to make anybody gunshy or anything like that. But what I am saying is that it was not presented as a uh as a um a consideration of a recommendation to city council morator. I understand I understand that. But the action item it should have been a study session. I'm not trying to I'm not trying to be facitious.

I respect you very much and I just I want to say I'm not this is not this is this is not about being facitious. This is really just about honoring the folks and I know that you guys are not agreeing and that's fine. We can leave this for next time. However, folks that submitted public comment expected an action item and requested directly a moratorum. That's exactly what we heard. We heard it from residents.

We heard it from the market. They thought we were taking an action. They said because you guys presented this agenda as an action item, here is what we the community and even the market came out and said we in the market want you to take this action and that's what we're doing and that's how we're doing. But if for a second there it was presented as that's not what is in our purview. That is not what we should be doing. And I just want to say let's honor that. It takes a lot of time for people to send in emails. It takes a lot of time for people to come in for public comment. And I've been hearing this for years. This is what community has been asking for. So I understand if the majority doesn't want to do the Mr. So what is your recommendation

to recommend to city council? The action tonight should be recommendation to city council for a moratorum and then they can figure out if that's what's my motion. Okay. I will second that if we can add the the physibility study to it as well because I do think they have to go hand in hand. We can just not stop it and not do anything with that time. We need to actually look into it and see like what what actually was the data. I agree 100%. And chair and council uh do we have to uh recom recommend a term on that moratorum?

This is going to be a recommendation by a planning commission. You don't have to under state law. The most uh time a uh moratorum can be had is 24 months. So do we have consensus? Yes. We don't have to vote. Do we just say no? There's no vote tonight. Um raise our hand. We've received the feedback. So I think um we've accomplished what we asked for which the item was to receive feedback. That's the action. Receive fe feedback and your feedback is for the council to consider a moratorum and uh consider doing a feasibility study. Am I correct? Yes.

Okay. Then that's the feedback we needed. And as a reminder, we are coming back again with those other items. So we do appreciate it. And I know there's a lot of energy, you know, um, about this item, but we're here to basically put all everything together and bundle it, uh, for the council. And Brian, uh, in regards to feasibility, they can just make sure that there's data in regards to the tax purposes of the collection because I do believe that the market for the gas stations has been significantly impacted based off of a local um, gas stations that we didn't have in the last 3, four years. Okay, I noted that. Thank you very much, Commissioner Santos.

Okay. And those those comments uh lastly, those comments that were received from the public, those will all be attached to a future staff report for the council. So, I I I would even recommend, let's go back to every time we've been having gas station in the last two years and get those public comments in there as well, because this is something that we've been hearing for a long time. In 2023, I I quoted this, the Desert Sun came out, asked us all of us and said, "Hey, the community is asking for a moratorum in 2023. We're having this in conversation in 2025. I appreciate the support. Let's get uh council to to figure this out, but just for clarity, we as a body are saying the recommendation is for a moratorium for them to do a feasibility study."

Okay. Received. Thank you.

Thank you guys. We appreciate you. All right. Uh, commissioner comments. I will shut up because I had so many of them. Um, anybody else? I I'll go. Um, I know we had a training uh last week and that I was supposed to attend, but unfortunately I had a last minute event. I couldn't go. So, I am sorry. Um, hopefully next time I can, you know, go ahead and then learn how to be a better commissioner. Probably could avoid all this back and forth that we just had today. Um, but I just want to say thank you to the staff again all for all your presentation, all your work. I know it takes a lot of time, a lot of effort and then uh thank you for everything you guys do.

Um, I'll go next. Um, thank you again for the staff for you guys uh reports are makes our lives a little bit easier uh when reviewing and providing the guidance and stuff like that. I did attend the the commissioner workshop. Um, it was fairly well. um a lot of information Brown uh Brown Act uh ethics all that stuff uh was described. It was uh basically from it was a three-hour course. So, it was pretty good. So, outside of that, that's it.

I'd also like to thank staff just because I'm usually on your end and I know how hard it is to make staff reports and make sure that everything's read and understood and that we're all on the same page. and I truly appreciate all the work that you do.

Okay, I won't shut up. Thank you staff. Thank you for getting us to this point. Thank you for all of your hard work. Honestly, it has been a learning opportunity for these past few years, all of the stuff that you guys have been putting together. And so, and not just this, but all of the different um things you guys are bringing up. We've been seeing a lot of housing. There's a lot of really positive things that is coming to the commission. We've seeing a lot of housing. We saw one project today and I know that only only you can make that happen. So, thank you for bringing all of the projects that our city really really wants and really needs. Thank you all for your very hard work. Oh, please. Quick question. Um, is this coming to city council in two weeks or when do we know?

That's a really good question. Um, no, we're not ready to bring it to the next one, but hopefully in the next two to four weeks. Um, I need to work with the staff. We need to go over um when it's going to go. Um, I would like to know when it actually gets Okay. you know, scheduled. Um, because I would be interested in in hearing more directly from from the council. Okay, sounds good. Thank you. Staff items.

Took off my microphone. I should have just left it on. Uh, just a couple things. I I I think we've talked the gas station research um a lot. Um, so I was going to just remind you that we will be back. Um, and we will let you know what the exact date is on that. I'm very happy to announce that the city got the pro housing designation. It was just announced last week. You wouldn't know, but we actually got it a while ago, but we're waiting because we wanted to be respectful to the state when they wanted us to release that data. So, that's going to allow us opens up a lot of opportunities um to apply for more grant funding. Um, and the ultimate goal is to accelerate housing. We had a housing project this evening. So, by getting that destination, more dollars coming in and more grant money, um it will help us to build more housing in the city of India. So, we're very happy about that. Other than that, um you already addressed my my third item, which is the planning commissioner workshop. So, thank you for attending. And if you for those that didn't attend and you see one that's coming up that we don't see and you want to attend, just let us know. We'll get you signed up. We'll pay for it. Um the more training the better. So, thank you. That does conclude staff's items.

Thank you all. All right, we'll go ahead and adjourn our meeting to the next planning commission meeting on September 24th. Thank you everyone. Thank you. I